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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney talks with senior adviser Beth Myers aboard his campaign plane before taking off Aug. 2 in Centennial, Colo.
WASHINGTON & JANESVILLE, Wisc. -- Mitt Romney's months-long vice presidential selection process came to a close one week ago in a dining room in suburban Massachusetts, where Wisconsin U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, dressed casually to avoid detection during commercial flights, told Romney he would accept the GOP candidate's offer to join the ticket.
For the Romney campaign, Ryan's meeting with Romney, in the dining room of chief vetter Beth Myers last Sunday, was the result of a process that began in April, and wound through several secrecy-cloaked months without major leaks before culminating in Saturday's rollout in Virginia.
Even the rollout was an example of both a flawlessly executed bit of secrecy and stagecraft and improvisation when events did not go as the campaign planned. Myers told reporters the Romney campaign originally planned to announce the pick Friday in New Hampshire, but with Ryan attending a memorial service for the victims of a shooting at a Sikh temple in his district, the plans were changed to Saturday.
All of this information was a closely guarded secret until Saturday night, when Myers, in charge of VP vetting, offered reporters a glimpse inside the process.
The Romney campaign kept its running mate a secret until Saturday morning, a strategy that yielded big fundraising dollars. NBC's Pete Alexander reports.
The vet
“I had one directive: The candidates must be qualified to take office on day one,” Myers said of her appointment to head the VP search on April 16. “Around May 1 we created a short list.”
Throughout the process, Myers said, one thing was clear: "This was Mitt’s decision.”
Myers chose not to disclose a full list of who was considered for the No. 2 spot, but many of the names have leaked out: former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio were vetted, as were Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell. Portman and McDonnell received calls Friday night to inform them they were not the pick.
Myers told reporters she established a system, approved by Romney, to quietly vet candidates after asking if they were interested in the job. A team of lawyers worked with Myers in a secure room of the campaign's Boston headquarters. No copies were made of any documents, and everything was locked in a safe when the team left at night. No documents were allowed out of the room.
Romney tries to define Ryan before Democrats do
Included in the data collected by Myers and her team: congressional voting records, an exhaustive questionnaire and "several years" of tax returns -- she did not say how many. Romney has come under fire from Democrats and many in the media for his refusal to release more than two years of returns, despite reports he released several times that amount when he himself was vetted as a possible ticket-mate for John McCain in 2008.
Throughout May and June, Myers and her team pored over data, presenting information to Romney, who discussed his thinking with a small group of advisers, including the campaign manager, senior strategists and close aides. When the Romney campaign convened a retreat for top donors with major GOP figures in Utah in mid-June, Myers met with several contenders to clear up lingering issues and ask follow-up questions.
“He [Romney] talked with a lot of people,” Myers said, adding that she felt it was important to keep her own opinion to herself. “I did not share my thoughts on who I thought it should be”
The vetting of Ryan – or at least when he began to know about it -- lasted nearly six weeks. Just days before the June 5 gubernatorial recall election in the Badger State, the congressman’s staff started compiling hundreds of pages of documents to submit to the Romney campaign, such as public statements and op-ed pieces.
Ryan never let on publicly whether he was being vetted or not throughout the summer months. He always dismissed questions surrounding his VP possibilities. That, sources say, played into Ryan’s strategy: keep expectations of VP possibilities incredibly low and just be a team player.
On July 2, the day she was famously photographed in Wolfeboro, N.H., meeting with Romney on his back porch, Myers presented her boss with completed dossiers on the final candidates for him to absorb.
On Aug. 1, when Romney returned from his week-long foreign trip, he was ready to make a decision. He met with Myers in her office in Boston and placed a call to Ryan. Could they meet in person for a discussion?
The offer
By August, reporters had begun to whittle down the short list of possible candidates and to keep a close eye on the top contenders. Despite this, on Aug. 5, Ryan quietly slipped out of his home and, dressed casually and wearing a hat and sunglasses to obscure his appearance, drove to Chicago, where he boarded a flight to Hartford, Conn.
There, an unlikely emissary was waiting for him in a rented car: Myers’ 19-year-old son, Curt, who picked Ryan up and drove him from Hartford to Brookline, Mass., and his mother’s dining room, where Romney was waiting, having been driven down from Wolfeboro that morning by Secret Service agents.
Obama gets his target with pick of Ryan
Romney described the meeting to reporters traveling aboard his plane Saturday night.
"We talked about the campaign and how it would be run and talked about how we’d work together if we get the White House," Romney said. "What the relationship would be, how we’d interact and be involved in important decisions. But we talked about our families, what this meant for them, what kind of challenge it meant -- those are the topics we discussed.”
Ryan also met with a handful of top Romney staffers, and when Romney officially extended the offer to join the ticket, the seven-term congressman was thrilled, if not surprised.
"By the time we met in person I kind of knew it was going to happen, and I was very humbled," Ryan told reporters Saturday. "It was the biggest honor I’ve ever been given in my life.... I Love this country dearly, and I feel we have an opportunity to fix things once and for all."
When the shooting happened Sunday at the Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisc., Ryan handled the fallout from Massachusetts, never telling his staff exactly where he was. If it wasn’t for the unforeseen tragedy that took place in Wisconsin’s 1st District that day, Ryan’s staff likely never would have known their boss was out of state at all. He flew back that night, undetected.
The House Budget Committee chairman kept his schedule intact for the entire week leading up to the announcement including spending three days filming commercials for his congressional re-election campaign. Ryan never let out his secret to his campaign staffers, who were working 12-hour days with him on the ads. They will begin airing next month in his district – in Wisconsin, you can appear on the ballot as both a vice presidential candidate and running for a congressional seat.
Ryan spent the middle of the week traveling in northwest Wisconsin stumping for local candidates – all along knowing his life was about to change. But these long car rides gave him plenty of private time to speak with his longtime friend and chief of staff about his new role.
Escape from Wisconsin
Keeping the Romney/Ryan pairing a secret for the next week proved to be an Olympian challenge. A boomlet of support for the Ryan candidacy drew increased scrutiny, and reporters such as NBC's Alex Moe were staking out Ryan's home, chatting with the candidate and his family and keeping tabs on their movement, lest they slip away again undetected.
Myers said she thought Moe might be close to solving the mystery.
“She did a great job,” Myers said of Moe, whom Ryan likened to a family member in a recent interview. “We knew we had to be very diligent in throwing her off the scent.”
And diligent they were, moving Ryan's family undetected while he was attending the Friday memorial service. Ryan told reporters earlier in the week his family was planning a trip to Colorado, departing on Saturday, so packing seemed unremarkable.
Early Friday morning, the congressman’s trusted chief of staff, Andy Speth, arrived in his red pickup to take Ryan to the memorial service, with reporters in tow.
Ryan returned home in the early afternoon and went inside through the back as he was locked out of his side door, telling reporters who stood watching on the sidewalk he must have forgotten his keys. That would be the last time anyone saw the congressman in Janesville, because sometime after 3 p.m., he exited his home into the back yard (where reporters couldn’t see) and went into the woods.
"I grew up in those woods. The house I grew up in backs up to the house I live in, so I know those woods like the back of my hand. So it wasn’t too hard to walk through them. So I just went out my back door, went through the gully in the woods I grew up playing in. I walked past the tree that has my own tree fort I built back there," Ryan said.
Escaping via the woods isn’t something new for Ryan, either. It is a tactic the congressman has been forced to use before due to protesters in front of his house. Ryan is used to cutting through the bushes.
Waiting a couple of hundred yards on the other side: Speth, who took Ryan and his family to an airport in neighboring Illinois, where a private plane would whisk them to Virginia.
Back at the house, Ryan's sister-in-law, intentionally left behind, turned out the lights just as news was beginning to leak that Romney would announce his pick Saturday, turning the eyes of the world on the town of Janesville.
When Moe knocked on the congressman's door that night, after NBC News confirmed he would be the vice presidential nominee, no one answered. Ryan was already hundreds of miles away.
The rollout
While Ryan was on his way to meet once again with the man at the top of the ticket, Romney was busy on the phones, informing other candidates from the short list that they had not been chosen. Portman and McDonnell received calls that night and may not have been the only ones. Romney had already called Pawlenty, a tireless advocate for the nominee and a staff favorite, on Monday.
When the Ryans landed in Elizabeth City, N.C., an hour south of Norfolk, they were whisked away to a Fairfield Inn hotel -- again, by Myers' son Curt -- and met by a handful of top Romney aides. The family ate takeout from Applebee’s with Myers, and worked on speech prep. Then, Myers said, as the campaign sent out an advisory telling the world that Romney would announce his choice the next morning, Myers turned off her phone.
Ryan placed a phone call to his mother around midnight to let her know he was in fact being tapped as Romney’s right-hand man. He called his siblings the next morning just hours before he gave the biggest speech of his life.
Ryan and his family loaded into two cars for Norfolk first thing Saturday and were driven to the USS Wisconsin, the site of the announcement. The rest is history.
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"Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney introduced his choice as running mate, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan"
It should say "Presumptuous presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney..."
So I was wrong all these weeks when I predicted Romney would choose Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell. I admit it. I gave Mitt Romney more political credit than he obviously deserves. But, I was NOT wrong about one thing…
1. Ryan is from Wisconsin and there is no way on God's Green Earth Ryan being Veep will help his ticket take Wisconsin's Electoral votes away from Obama.
2. Ryan does not help Romney win any other votes in the Mid-West, which is solidly for Obama/Biden.
3. Ryan's Budget angered Baby Boomers and there are still more of that age group in the voting ranks than any other.
4. The state of Virginia was still in-play, and could have possibly swung to Romney with McDonnell. Not very likely, but possible. At least more likely than Wisconsin or the Mid-West with Ryan.
5. McDonnell on the ticket could have helped shore-up Republican base votes in the South, but Ryan is less effective there being from The Rust Belt.
and
6. Announcing this momentous decision early Saturday morning when most of America is still asleep. Who's brilliant idea was that? (Romney's?)
is when Romney goes to the GOP Convention, with his Veep running-mate Ryan and The GOP asks Romney to step down so they can nominate someone who actually has a chance to win.
Jaw dropping: over 100-million now on Federal Welfare
by Norm Van Ness
Posted: 08.08.2012 at 5:34 PM ....
Thanks Obama .... "LOL"
The new numbers stem from the U.S. Census's Survey of Income and Program Participation which shows that nearly 110,000 million individuals received a welfare benefit in 2011. The benefits counted were not limited to U.S. citizens...as non-citizens were included in the final tally ....
And 36% of illegal aliens are on some type of Obama welfare now .... "LOL"
Excluding S.S , Medicaid and Medicare ....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-100-million-now-receiving-federal-welfare_649589.html
I can not wait until Mitt Romney has to stand up in front his supporters on election night and admit defeat. As someone once said, there will be a huge sucking sound. It will be coming from deep within the guts of every republican on earth. You will see stretch marks around Mitt Romney's mouth as he once again has to pull his foot out. He will then blame Paul Ryan. After this pick, I think he wants to lose.
Blah, blah, blah, Included in the data collected by Myers and her team: congressional voting records, an exhaustive questionnaire and "several years" of tax returns, yadda, yadda, yadda.
But Romney himself will only release two (2) years for president, and even that is not complete or in a timely manner. WTF?!
Bruce-1628250 -- Bob "Vaginal Probe" McDonnell would be bad on a national level as well as Paul Ryan, and may not have helped win Virgnia--certainly not the women's vote.
Romney is no fool he just pulled out the smoking mirror, No candidate would have been able to take the attention off his not providing those TAX returns, this is why he went with Ryan fully knowing he would lose a lot of votes, Harry Reid's digging has him looking like Elvis, yep his all shook up, LOL, but on the serious side Romney is not stupid and slippery as an eel, but he can't fool all the people and I hope Harry Reid stay's on him like a fly on SH_T.
Why does Romney have that look of either Fear or confusion, maybe he did not make a mistake when he announced Ryan as the Next President, his look is just not right, I know when he speaks I can see that he lies a lot but this look is a lot different like he is shocked or fears that Ryan will steal the platform.
And the majority have one or more jobs. Despite Mitt stump speaking of higher wages, Bain has a proven record laying off workers, eliminating their benefits, and offering their jobs back for half-price. Lying comes easily for Romney, he's had a lot of practice. We've seen this erosion of pay over the last 30 years. I remember the GOP suggesting that people would rather collect unemployment than work. It's a logical choice. Why would I spend the money to drive to and from a minimum wage job when I can sit at home and look for a decent job and collect $800/month? It makes more sense financially to stay home. This fact speaks more to the quality of the available jobs than it does to the character of the unemployed.
Willard has again proven how he wil govern if elected. He will make shrub, arguably the most secretive president the United States has ever had, look like an open book.
Romney can only do what Grover says.
At least Mitt has proven that his staff can keep a secret, unlike the current President and his staff who leak top secret information.
To: Mitt Romney
From: Democratic National Committee
The entire Democratic National Committee thanks you for choosing Representative Paul Ryan as your Vice presidential candidate. This assures a victory in Florida for President Obama resulting in more than the 270 electoral college voted needed for his reelection as President. We can now spend more of our resources in Ohio, Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina and Nevada to insure an even larger victory.
Or could it simply be that most of us would NEVER consider voting for Mittens and just didn't care who the Koch brothers ordered on the ticket?
This is the biggest secret in politics? I would rephrase it to the biggest blunder in politics. No matter who he picked from his short list, I would have gotten a good laugh out of it!
Paul Ryan? For Democrats that's like playing poker and getting dealt a full house. While the Republicans go all in with a pair of threes. I like the odds!
Obama/Biden 4 more years
Hey Bruce: You said ..........there is no way on God's Green Earth Ryan being Veep will help his ticket take Wisconsin's Electoral votes away from Obama.
Seems you and your friends were barking up the same tree when you were saying Gov. Walker wouldn't last thru the recall. You keep barking though, as long as you want, but there ain't no coon in that tree.
Got to giggle at Bruce's post. Romney's really starting to prove that he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Neither is his campaign brain trust. I was truly expecting Portman to get the nod. Ohio is the most crucial of the swing states and one they desperately need to have any chance of winning. Oh well, they're loss is our gain.
You're an blind idiot!
It's HeathBarkley, Who only Knows how to post the words "You're an blind idiot!"
Nice job buddy! Oh, Who were you talking to?
i believe the fix is in for a romney victory. i will never forget florida in 2000. now, in 2012 the same crowd may be planning to steal this election from you. grouind zero...wisconsin. there must be a good reason for the koch bros. to pour so much money into the recall election of walker. all team romney must do is keep it close. then rove, gillespe and the whores on the supreme court will do the rest. mitt romney does not scare me as much as my gut hatred of him does. here in canada, we have always understood that the outcome of a US pres. election impacts our economy. for us, mitt is a nightmare. our new bestest friend, china , will rescue our economy from a rogue american administration, but i, for one, will mourn the bad fortune of americans. the best friends we could have or want.
Another conspiracy theorist.
Well said, Yosolo.
yosolo posts yet another load of crap. Poor spin job you're so low!
yosolo, I see you need a basic understanding of what constitutes the term American Hero.
An American Hero is someone who will fight for the good and saftey of all Americans. He will, despite life-threatening adversity, champion justice and goodwill for the elderly, children, impoverished and weak. He is a beacon of hope for our humanity.
Kind of like the soldiers in our military. The police and firefighters in every neighborhood. The teachers and scientists in our schools and communities. Our social workers and doctors.
You should know by now that Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney do not come anywhere near to being an American Hero. The only thing they know is pecuniary aggrandizement for self.
My advice is to stop smoking the chemicals, put the pipe down and focus after taking a deep breath of clean air. "Paul Ryan, an American Hero... give me mustard, lettuce and republican welfare cheese on that hero!"
HAAAAA! can't stop laughing... Paul Ryan, an American Hero who was supported by government money as a child who now seeks to eliminate the safety net as an adult. The poster boy of social security who became the adult against medicare! I can't stop laughing!
How stupid do you have to be to announce your VP vote during the Olympics when too much media focus is directed elsewhere. Want to know how they kept it secret...no one cared.
Obama is a war criminal and he should be impeached.
Obama has:
Signed the NDAA bill into law allowing the assassination of any us citizen without trial (yes, I know it's been around for a long time but Obama signed it into law even though it's unconstitutional)
Allowed 30,000 Spy drones to be flown over American skies (Unconstitutional, Against the Fourth Amendment).
Obama has signed over 1000 Executive Orders since he took office (Thanks to that, it's now illegal to collect rain water)
Obama has killed hundreds of innocent people (including 3 Americans) with drone strikes he has ordered in Pakistan And Yemen.
Obama has raised the National debt Nearly $5 TRILLION.
Obama has allowed almost 1 Million ILLEGAL aliens to become legal citizens (thanks to those he allowed to become citizens, they have committed 19 murders and 142 sex crimes)
Lied About all of His 2008 Campaign Promises Including the One Where He said he campaigned in 57 states.
Google Search "Dreams from my REAL father" and you'll see, Obama's father was a failed communist who's dream was to DESTROY America, at age 18, Obama went to a MARXIST school.
Mitt Romney has or will:
Has made Millions in an Abortion Business.
Will sell jobs over seas.
Will go to war with any Country he wants to without Congressional Approval (he says).
Both the Republican party and Democratic party are really the same thing now.
You know who we need for President? Gary Johnson, he is the Libertarian Presidential Canidate, he wants to End the IRS, End the Fed, End useless Government Agencies likes the Department of Homeland Security. He is Against wars. You are probably thinking "Why vote for him? He has no chance.", he has polled in Nearly %10 and needs %15 to Delegate Obama.
The 2012 votes are being counted in an Offshore Company own by George Soros in Spain (Which is TREASON!).
Hey everybody, congress is the prize. Simple math. VOTE! Please vote. I do.
Obama/Biden 2012!
It matters not at all how Romney kept his VP choice under wraps. All that matters is how much longer he intends on keeping his tax returns secret.
Even I believe that Mittens has paid taxes, but nowhere near the 13.9% average over ten years which he claimed in the primary season. So it isn't a matter of him necessarily being a tax cheat, which he probably isn't, but rather a liar regarding percentage paid, which he probably is. I do not want a liar as my President.
Man up, Mitt. Earn my vote.
YOUR president is a LIAR. With your wording, Mitt Romney couldn't earn your vote with a signed commendation from Jesus Christ Himself. Stop faking it. You are just another "show me your taxes", obfuscating liberal democRAT.
Why not he want to hold the highest office in our Nation, and don't bring up some dumb school records, Tax Fraud can be and is a criminal offences not your dumb school records.
Unfortunately, Dawn, there aren't many true Christians in the world who believe that Jesus would give Romney a letter of any kind, much less commendation. At best, he would most definitely be eligible for forgiveness for the practice of his particular brand of idolatry.
Simply and conveniently putting the name of Jesus in the title of Romney's church did not then and does not now place Him, the Christ, first in the hearts of the LDS faithful.
In fact, by his unusually aggressive and unrelenting pursuit of material reward in this life, while upon this earth, Romney appears to reject the core teachings of Jesus Christ through his own selfish deeds and actions.
...and Romney is not alone in that marriage, Dawn. Do you think that Jesus ever would have so naturally and comfortably uttered a phrase as contemptuous and condascending as Ann's "You people...."? She wasn't merely making a simple declaration, she was providing insight into a well-worn, deeply felt, and highly dismissive avarice.
There was an article in Business Week in July that seemed to have a good idea of why Mitt won't release his returns: like most investors, he took massive losses in 2008 and 2009, so much so that he legitimately owed no tax in 2008 and had a large carry-over to 2009. So, although he did nothing wrong, releasing a return that showed zero tax paid on $20 million income would be terminally embarrassing to him. Better to take the hiy for not releasing the returns at all than showing a zero tax year.
Jesus? Or some guy named Joe Smith?
How is that record Obama? Divert and blame...worst leader in History.
That's the smell of desperation. Everyone knows the President's record and how he tried to get the other party to work together to try and solve this nation's financial woes only to be given a big fat NO! It's been the mission of the right to try and destroy this president from the very beginning. Everyone knows it, except the Fox Noise watchers. Well guess what, the chickens are coming home to roost and it's going to be downhill for the Romney campaign from now until Election Day.
Care to back that up, Dawn V? And unless you live outside of the USA, he's YOUR president as well.
Bruce, thank you. But i wish I could be as optimistic as you. Bush cheated and took not one, but two elections. Watch this guy carefully, I don't trust Romney one little bit.
tonybeeerm,
Maybe Dawn V will leave the country
ifwhen Obama gets reelected. Maybe she'll take her friend bigbenalaska with her.One can only hope!
Bishop Romney told David Muir that he had not calculated his actual tax rate for prior years. He could not hazard a guess if he paid less than the rate he paid for 2009. He indicated he would get back to him.
Did he? If so, only David knows. If not he seems to need a high degree of precision for a simple question compared to cutting a wide swath when criticizing the Administration for responding to State requests for flexibility in welfare administration
@ DawnV, If Romney has something to hide in his tax returns, don't you think we should also find out if he has anything to hide about how many sister wives are roaming his compounds?!
MSNBCMFE
To bad you don't ask Obama the same question how much did he pay in taxes over the past 10 years.
I really dose not matter how much tax romney paid that's not going to get 13 million people back to work.
How about the promoises Obama made and did not keep that's what the issue is here Obama wants you thinking about Romney and how much tax he paid or did not pay, so he don't have to answer for his own record of failure in running this country. here are some of Obama promises;
Barack Obama promised to create five million new energy jobs alone, he claimed that, by the end of the first term, his healthcare plan, would quote, "bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family." He guaranteed that his financial rescue plan would help stop foreclosures. In the first year of his presidency, he pledged, quote, "to cut the deficit we inherited in the half by the end of my first term in office." He said he would, quote, "lift two million Americans from poverty" and, quote, "jolt our economy back to life."
See I think that it doesn't matter HOW he kept it a secret as much as WHY he kept it a secret even from his own party?
AND absolutely I do agree that he should be releasing his tax records for the last 10 years both he AND Ryan should be required to do as much!!!!
So when you give the American People your word that as soon as you decide on your vice presidential running mate you will announce it on a marketing tool app, then you turn around and brag about how you kept the decision a secret. What do you call that? flip-flop? Cut & Run? Or just liar? I mean wth is that guy talking about? He really is like an etch-a-sketch. He needs to be on more medication if he thinks he has a chance of winning this election. I saw his commercial trying to connect with the common man.. LOL. "I got the chance to start my own business, to hire people and make ends meet" ROFL>.... WTF K?
Tax returns or no tax returns, who really is a competent tax analyst on these boards? Especially FR?
Lets follow the money shall we...
Romney has been following a political path since he left bain. The IRS can find more revenue for the treasury from a wealthy individual than they can find from anyone reporting less than $250k/yr in adjusted gross income. Think obama and company would have failed to bring up any tax fraud by now if there was any?
The reality is that revealing anyones tax returns are essentially meaningless if the best taxmen (IRS) can find nothing wrong.
MSNBCMFE, I don't believe romney needs your vote. Pushing for his returns are as foolish as the birthers pushing for obamas birth certificate after his being nominated in 2008.
Mutt Romney and Ryan the two best friends that the 1% people could have and the worst pair the Elderly, Poor, and low income people could have. The Wealthiest people are going to get the biggest Tax break in History IF Mutt amd Ryan get in office. Be careful what you wish for. Take a lesson from Wisconsin when they elected Governor Walker. Why people who are struggeling and losing their homes would vote for Romney and Ryan is completly beyond me.
You people have it all wrong. You are trying to make this election about Romney. It is not at all about him, it is totally about the economy and the financial shape of this country and the leaders. Are these leaders doing a good job? Is unemployment under control and under 5%?
This is Obamas economy. He is the leader, he is responsible. How do democrats actually help the poor when everything they buy has went up 50 to 100%? Food and gas.
No Kevin, YOU have it all wrong! The economy is in the tank, because of failed policies put in effect by Dub yah and Dick. R&R want to expand the same stupid economics policies that got us into this mess!
Goodness! Certainly, you must have meant Mitt Romney is a liar! Mitt is pathologically incapable of telling the truth, and here is a small sampling of Willard's lies to illustrate that fact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/18/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-us-navy-smallest-1917-air-force-s/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-repeats-claim-obama-went-around-world-/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/08/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-once-again-says-us-inches-away-no-long/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-obama-said-if-we-keep-talking-abo/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-ending-medicare-we-k/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/07/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-iran-released-hostages-1981-becau/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-president-ignored-debt-problems-s/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/07/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obamas-plan-abandons-tenet/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/26/mitt-romney/putting-mitt-romneys-attacks-you-didnt-build-truth/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/20/mitt-romney/romney-ad-says-stimulus-money-went-buy-electric-ca/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/28/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-obamacare-adds-trillions-deficit/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/06/mitt-romney/amnesty-amnesty-amnesty-amnesty/
Again with the tax return caws from the parrots. Amazing that fellow citizens from the left have such little confidence in the Obama ran IRS. Can't say that I blame them. The whole administration has proven to be incompetent and corrupt.
I disagree with the headline of the article. It is not the biggest secret in politics.
That question would be,"when is the Obama administration and the Dept of Injustice going to come clean on the Fast and Furious scandal? Is the drug smuggler facing trial in Chicago telling the truth when he claims that it was an operation to arm one rival cartel against another in exchange for information against those cartels?Were they given protection for smuggling drugs into America as reward for that information?"
Or this one, given the left's hysteria over the Citizen's United ruling and their hatred of Super Pac's, "Is Erik the Red Holder investigating what appears to be a violation of federal law concerning the obvious collusion between the Obama Campaign and the Super Pac Priorities USA?"
It's no secret and easy to describe in one word how the Romney Campaign kept their choice hushed......disciplined.
Maybe some journalists can bring those questions into the public light and demand answers.
The democratic hierarchy knew the republican tea bag hierarchy had decreed Ryan as Romney's veep in early June. Romney wasn't given any choice in the matter. Hell, even I knew it. Tea baggers mean to attempt a "Bush/Cheney redo. They don't trust Romney anymore than His worst enemy does. Should this work, Romney will be a President as G W Bush was. That is; in name only. Ryan will be charged with policy direction and implementation through Romney, and Romney, as Bush did with Cheney, will do as He is told. Democrats, especially the President were prepared for it though. Gonna be an interesting and very learning experience for all who really observe.
I disagree completely that how Romney kept this secret is of no importance. Actually, one hopes that team Obama would learn from it - as it might be highly valuable to them in terms of keeping national security secrets, well, secret.
Making no copies of documents and locking those original documents in a safe at the end of the day might be a good idea. So would only having people involved who can keep their big mouths shut.
Leaking secret information to the press might be good for Pbama's "manly man" image- but it endangers our operatives and our national security. Since Obama seems to be surrounded by folks who don't seem to understand that, it's time for them-and him- to go.
concerned...you have the correct word...disciplined...there is NO discipline in this white house...they are giving information to the press that puts the safety of America and its' allies in jeopardy. For what? Publicity! Huh?
Sorry Mutt Head. We still want to see your tax returns. Now we have two turds to listen to.
Surely you must be referring to the Plame Affair in which Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice for interfering with the investigation of the "outing" of a covert CIA agent by a high ranking member of the State Department in retaliation for the agent's spouse's criticism of the Bush Administration. Bush later abused his right of executive privilege by pardoning Libby's prison sentence, but that's how it is among Republicans. Karl Rove was also implicated in this affair but it was decided it was pointless to press charges if the President was going to pardon the people who were convicted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
The only people "implicating" Karl Rove were- oh yeah, democrats who know nothing whatsoever about the investigation.
Richard Armitage admitted being the leak, so there goes your ridiculous assertions.
By the way, that case was investigated by a Special Prosecutor. Given that Plame was not undercover, her life was not jeapordized, nor were any national security secrets, it boggles the mind that , first, an embedded double agent was revealed BY THE WHITE HOUSE and had to be removed to safety- leaving us with no eyes and ears in the Al Queda project to perfect underwear bombs, and
The White House gave secret information about Seal Team Six to Holkywood types, and that information was disseminated- and a helicopter full of Seal Team Six members was shot down, killing all, and
Obama's "kill list" strategy to "get" his enemies was revealed, and
The computer virus impacting the Iranian nuclear weapons program was revealed, and
There is no special prosecutor for any of this.
If there were, Valerie Jarret and David Axelrod would wind up in Leavenworth. What proof do I have?
The same proof you have about Karl Rove.
sorry native your obammy wont let us see his records how does your ignorance figure Romney should show anything?
Sailcat
Do you know any "facts" that are not left wing lies and distortion?
Ever heard of Bob Novak or Richard Armitage? Do you even know who Joe Wilson was? A HBO movie is no place to go for your "facts".
The Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/07/15/BL2005071500978_pf.html
Further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair#Karl_Rove
Gosh, ConservativeRetard, I provide information to support my claims. All you provide is a high, shrill whine. Richard Armitage later admitted to outing the agent but Libby was convicted of trying desperately to block the investigation. Further reports clearly indicate that deeper invesitigations would result in charges being leveled against other government staff members including Karl Rove. With pressure for outside sources and the President pardoning Libby, the efforts against Rove ceased.
Wikipedia? You edit that yourself?
A WaPo blog article? Really?
You're even wrong on the "pardon". Bush never Pardoned Libby- he commuted his jail sentence. Big difference. It means he'll never work in government again.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/no-pardon-for-scooter-lib_n_159201.html
I notice, however, that you never address the substance of my post-
A non-undercover CIA agent is revealed, no lives were in jeapordy, but a special prosecutor was engaged to investigate.
The deaths of Seal Team Six, and jeapordy zing the life of a double agent, (which also eliminated the intelligence gathering from people who want to kill us), among other national security leaks, are left in the hands of justice lawyers- one of whom is an Obama campaign operative.
Yeah. Makes sense to me. Nothing's more important than Obama's re election, right?
You're reaching, no joe. The Wikipedia entry includes its sources and they are available for you to research. The Washington Post, at which you sneer, was the source of the story that brought down the Nixon Administration. It is a far more credible source than those you did not provide to support your crazed claims. Therefore, your objections are based on hot air and your insane fantasies. Bush's pardon/commutation of Libby's prison sentence precluded any further attempts to bring the other perpetrators of the crime to justice.
Furthermore, your feeble attempt to tie in the deaths of the Seal Six team to the recent leaks is dishonest and shameful. Also, your asinine claim of one of the lawyers prosecuting this case as being "an Obama campaign operative" is ludicrous and laughable. Your reach exceeds your grasp of reality, it seems.
You would be better served to support your untenable argument by claiming that Santa Claus and UFOs are the sources of your embarrassing conspiracy theory.
Fail.
So obama has played over 100 rounds of golf while we are in 2 wars. Un-employment is still over 8% and climbing. The president is detached from our woes, he doesn't take hard questions from the press. What an amature. The 3 debates will shed light on this fool.
LOYALTEXAN -- Agreed. No one believes Romney doesn't know what's in his tax returns, especially the rates he as paid (or should we say didn't pay).
Aside from secrecy being Romney's thing, he lives to game the system -- He is in fact obsessed with seeing how little taxes he can pay. He is SO obsessed that when his campaign advisers have recommend he get his tax records in order for public scrutiny he refused to do it.
Romney is such a greedy tight-arse that he couldn't bare the idea of paying more in taxes and then not getting the nomination. No, he preferred to take that chance figuring if he did win the nomination he would just sanitize and release the current and upcoming year -- And even the incomplete 2010 release looks bad!
Romney is such an entitled POS, and now we have Paul Ryan too -- The most immoral Washington insider there is, wanting to destroy Medicare for seniors so the rich, like Romney and Ryan can enjoy more tax cuts. These jagoffs aren't even interested in paying down the deficit! They just want to cut programs for the middle class an poor so the rich can get even larger tax cuts. WTF?!
Romney/Ryan -- They aren't in it for you.
Ah, my semi-literate friend, it's spelled amateur, not amature, and given Mitt's embarrassing performance in the GOP debates against his severely mentally challenged opponents, I would think Romney Hood would do well to call in sick on the days he is scheduled to debate our President.
I like your Romney, I don't like your Mitt: Your Mitt is not like your Romney. Your Romney Released more than 12 years of tax returns, Your Mitt says 'We have given you people' all we want you to see.
Your Romney in this case is George Romney.
It's so easy to shoot down the crap from the left. Scooter Libby was not convicted for "outing" Plame nor was anyone ever convicted for such. Or ever investigated seriously for it.
H/T Redstate
Keep coming with the lies which have been disproved Sailcat. It's all Obama and his minions have to support him. Lies, lies, and damn lies.
Just like Obama.
Your reading comprehension skills aren't very good, are they? I very explicitly said Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice. Instead of honing your cut and paste skills, you should actually read the posts two which you failing to rationally respond.
My original statement: "Surely you must be referring to the Plame Affair in which Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice for interfering with the investigation of the "outing" of a covert CIA agent by a high ranking member of the State Department in retaliation for the agent's spouse's criticism of the Bush Administration."
Fail.
Yeah right Sailcat
What, now you don't think the whole persecution of Scooter Libby was just to save Dick Cheney or George Bush? Youy even went so far as to post as your evidence the discredited WaPo editorial piece. Did you bother to read the editorial?
Typical left loon stuff Sailcat. Try to stick to the facts, your side lost that argument years ago. Talk about Fail.
By whom was the Washington Post discredited, conservativeretard? Please show your evidence, not that you have any. Your desperate lies do nothing to support your immature fantasies. The fact remains that no one in the Bush administration ever defended Libby's innocence. He was patently guilty of trying to block the investigation into a despicable crime against the people of this country. The fact that Bush struck down his prison sentence is an admission that Libby could not win on appeal.
You know, instead of spending your weekends drinking malt liquor directly from the bottle and wishing you had an even number of testicles, conservativeretard, perhaps you should spend a few minutes asking yourself what you are going to wear to President Obama's reelection party...not that you're going to receive an invitation.
But seriously folks! I am so
for having Paul Ryan as your new Veep candidate.
It is almost the best thing that could happen to insure the re-election of Obama/Biden! Palin would have been better, but Ryan is just as good.
p.s. Thanks for NOT announcing your choice during Prime Time Mitt! This announcement wasn't worth interrupting The Olympics or any other good TV.
Obamalony .... "LOL"
Romney had one of his kids call the people who didn't make it. I guess he was too busy. His boys are named Deduction, Exemption and Loophole. I think Loophole made the calls. I wonder if Lady Gaga got a call. I'm sure she wasn't holding her breath. Her position on equality and against bullying aren't popular with the right wing. Romney might have been the person who threw her in a trash can in high school. Maybe not as they went to different schools. Oh well, I'm sure he would have if he was there.
Actually Sarah Palin rejected the VP selection before it was offered to Paul Ryan, she wanted to go back to Alaska instead, she said she had been down that road before and she didn't like the result that time either.
Just think if Sarah Palin the loser got elected. She would quit after six months when a million dollar offer for something or other came around. Being Governor was just too much for her Brain.
other Bob, I guess in 2008, Obama was lucky that Corzine turned him down right away. He wanted to fleece investors instead of going back to politics.
lol! and a community organizer whos budget is defeated 610 to 0??!
talk about an amatuer!
ohhhh, he did get one third of our population collecting welfare (100 million) and has 15 percent real unemployment.
looks like the workers need to pay some more to help the lazzzzzz....y
What secret Two peas in a pod. Their other so-called secret is they know they are going against the majority and expect tp win anyway by force of the majority of their money. Government is on sale.
The other well known fact is there are a lot of really dumb people and plenty of racist that will vote against the black guy.
I'm over eighty and never thought the greatest country in the world would succumb to such crap.
We won't vote against the black guy as you state. We'll vote against, the dumb, lying guy, Barry.
How Willard kept his choice a secret is news??? It's the only frigging thing he knows how to do--keep secrets! Oh, right. He knows how to destroy companies and sell them for scrap value to pay off his investors. So, that's two things he does really well.
How is it that Ryan's "favorite" book is Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged...an existential treatise on individualism, not concerning oneself with other's needs..and yet, somehow is a Roman Catholic..with all the humanitarian, charitable dedication of that religion?...but, of course, Ryan only has been a Catholic since 2003...and Cliff Notes does have a summary of Atlas Shrugged...what a phoney pile of excrement he and Willard are...only Palin or Bachmann would have been a better choice for the Democrats...
Bruce I love it!! Really after i am done laughing... Can you tell me a reason why you would want Re-Elect the worst President this Country has ever seen. The numbers back it up. Can you give me a good positive reason with out being negative to Republicans. I am a card carrying Democrat and unemployed in the Power Industry in Pittsburgh. I voted for Hope and Change and got a bunch of garbage...Is it possible to give me a few good reasons????
Bruce #3 comment
Your comment had little substance but it was a winner on this pro-Obama forum. Don't pat yourself on the back too much.
Romney is confirming for me once again that he simply COULDN'T have been the sharpest tool in the shed at Bain Capital. Mistake after mistake made throughout his campaign, a jumble of 'word salad' when speaking off-script, and in regard to matters of intense public interest, the elevation of secrecy to that of fine art.
It must have been his practiced charm and manicured good looks, his aristocratic air, his ebullient sense of entitlement, and perhaps most importantly, the two most prized gifts bestowed upon him by his father...an inheritance and a recognizable last name…which somehow ‘qualified’ him for a leadership position on the Board.
Alas, the public sector is not a Board Room, nor is the electorate an effete group of predatory corporate raiders. We may not often show it, but the general public is protective of its freedoms. We may not often say it, but we believe in democracy. We may not often demonstrate it, but we pride ourselves on our uncanny schoolyard ability to sniff out a skunk, and Mitt is proving himself to be just that.
Has Obama's massive debt reached $16 trillion dollars yet .... "LOL"
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good night.
Romney hired sharper tools at Bain -- That's what he said he would do as POTUS too. But secrecy, that is indeed Mitt's department.
Unlike Obama who can't keep a top secret secret.
That is so right. The whole world knew about that mission to kill Bin Laden. He should have kept that secret so they could kill him.
thanks for putting the truth out there;;
obama/biden 2012
MSNBCMFC
But why didn't this sniffer ability work on Tricky Dick Nixon?
MSNBC You must want attention. Romney might not be real bright, but he is far more successful then you. Shows just how bright you are.
msnbc
You are uninformed as to Mitt Romney. Most things you post actually display a lack of facts and are merely the DNC talking points of the day.
But don't worry, Paul Ryan is working to preserve your "entitlement" check whether you like him or not.
Paul Ryan's plan cuts administrative costs, not payment to medical staffs. Furthermore, Fraud in medicare is between 10 - 25% of the funds spent. Private companies do not tollerate fraud and find ways to do things more efficiently.
I saw that one version called for vouchers so the recipients could chose a company they trust to administer their payments. This could work really good provided the Fed requires that the company offer a plan geared to federal minimum mandates of coverage for what the voucher is worth. Then, Seniors could have the option to customize their insurance and pay more for more premium care. If structured correctly, Senior citizens who can afford to pay The full amount for services and greater insurance costs would then take some pressure off medical facilities to jack up prices to those who are not on medicare.
Just for typical medical visits and proceedures, the mark-up non-medicare patients must pay is 33% more.
As a doctor said recently to me. The current system is broken. We need to do something.
I don't think making all insurance policies cover every possible service is a step in the wrong direction. This type of practice is obviously unsustainable. Rather, the government should set a minimal care level that everyone will receive that allows policies to be affordable is a start.
This is not a big secret... Mitt Romney's tax returns... now, that is what you call a secret!!
MSNBC....Your comments were made up of name calling and B.S. Just like our Presidents Campaign...No record to run on. It is very evident you really do not have a clue about the Economy or Venture Capitalist firms. You would be very hard pressed to find a Respected Democrat Senator or Congressman that will tell you that Venture Capitalist are bad for the Economy or bad for the people they buy. This is not a MOVIE ON tv like Walls Street and Gordon Geco. Bain has produced many more jobs than lost... That is a fact. I would say his credentials at Bain for out weigh a "Community Organizer " .Romney has always been the "Sharpest Tool in Shed.Obama admittedly smoked dope in College. Obama has not created one single net Job... I think Bain and many other Venture Capitalist Firms have better records when it comes to Creating Jobs.
So Beth Myers is trying to convince us that all along the selection of a running mate "was Mitt's decision."
C'mon, Beth. Ryan was a LATE choice based solely on political expediency. Mitt felt that he needed to reassure the base, and after Coulter, Erikson, and Limbaugh ripped him a new one the other day, the choice was made FOR him by events beyond his control.
THAT is precisely the kind of President Mitt would be. Responding rather than anticipating. And why not, when you're filthy rich you can afford to roll with the punches a bit more than the rest of us.
Well, Mitt, you are NOT a thinker. You are not even a doer. You are a taker.
As Obama has taken decades of U.S. tax payers money in just 4 years .... "LOL"
Hey Ben, you really need read up on facts everything you state can be traced directly back to republican policies not Obamas. How exactly has Obama taken U.S. tax payers money? You make no sense and I suppose when you drown yourself in hate and alchohol it makes more sense. Sober up buddy and open your eyes.
Just wondering Ben, is everyone from Alaska morons? Fisrt there was Sarah and now you. Seems like everyone up there is missing something or simply has lost all capacity for rational thought.
Would you also blame the Solyndra fiasco on Bush .... "LOL"
Or the 13,000 page Obamacare that no one has even read .... "LOL"
little willie oops I mean BigBen when you reference the "decades of U.S. tax payers money in just 4 years" I can only assume you are referencing the 14 trillion dollar deficit President Obama is alleged to have run up. While it is true the US Defficit is going to hit 14 trillion this was not President Obamas alone. Part came from previous administrations(multiple), part from money borrowed to pay for Iraq war that was fought "off books" and a Republican controlled House of Reperesentatives since 2010
otherBob,
At least Romney/Ryan have proposed plans to reduce the deficit.
Where is Obama's plan? He and the Democrats in the Senate and House haven't proposed a plan in 4 years that would reduce the deficit.
At least Romney/Ryan have proposed plans to reduce the deficit.
Snappa? are you really expecting anything intelligent from republicans or trolls? especially a republican troll? lol
Armurry. Actually democrats have been coming up with plans for years, only to have obstructionist republicans halt and filibuster. And after republicans block the plans they say "the democrats have no plan". Unfortunately for America, people like you fall for it. So tell me, how does it feel to work against your own interests and nation? But don't worry if you can't figure it out, god will explain when you get there.
SNAPPA I don't appreciate "dumb Texan" posts although we sure got at least our share. Lay off labeling AK on the basis of two RWNJ's.
You libs are funny. Any lie repeated enough and you think it's the truth. Budgets have been submitted by the House every year of 0bama's term....it's their job and they have done it. The problem is in the democrat controlled Senate where Harry (Pinocchio) Reid and company have refused to do their job and work on a compromise budget.
Only a blind uninformed fool would say that the republicans have been obstructing. The dems had a Super Majority in the House and Senate for the first 2 years of 0bama's term. Don't you know that???? That means they had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted budget wise, but they were unable to pass a budget. They didn't even try.
And yes, the dems have run up a deficit....over 5 TRILLION DOLLARS since they took control of the House and Senate in 2007. That is more than the total of all deficits in history.
The dems have no clue let alone a plan, unless it's to turn the USA into another bankrupt European style Socialist State, and We the People will put them in their place in November.
George paul jones...
I find it interesting that the democrat controlled house and senate between 2007 and 2010 couldn't have come up with a fiscal plan that didn't have more bipartisanship appeal. I found it interesting that the 2010 midterms were referred to as giving the left a "shellacking", an adjective that obama gave to the midterm results.
Make all the excuses you want for obamas lack of leadership abilities or congresses gridlock. The bottomline is that obama and company has failed in his leadership role as POTUS to find common ground between the legislative and executive branches of the federal government. Past presidents have always found a way, to bad for America that obama can't.
MSNBC...EXACTLY where are your facts? How do YOU know this? Are you a mole in the Romney camp or just talking to hear yourself?
WTF, where do you get this LIE from?!!! Ryan's plan doesn't balance the budget for 23 years -- because he wants to cut taxes for the rich even more, and spend on defense even more, and he and Romney want to do those things by throwing seniors to the curb!
Are you rightwingers living on Newt's moon base or what?!!!!
Note: Current US Debt is $15,96 Trillion. Exactly 4 years ago it was $10.13 Trillion. In 4 years the national debt has increased by $5.83 Trillion. That makes Obama AND the Democrats contribution to be easily over $6.00 Trillion in 4 years in January, when the next Presidential term begins.
From January 2001 - January 2009. the debt increased 4.98 Trillion. Under the Obama Plan at the end of eight years, the increase in debt will be between at least 10 Trillion if you believe Obama but most likely over 11 Trillion.
Ah but True Patriot, you read and believe the demagogues and scorners. Everyone of them are registered democrats or democrat run institutions.
DB Akron
You are not well versed in mathematics and trends and monetary flow.
The economy was plumeting due to the Bush economics that were the greatest failure in our history.
When the economy and employment is plumeting, do you really expect any president can step in and hit a stoplight button and it will just stop?
What the Republicans have done to the economy since Reagan and the Trickle down farce, with the help of Bill Clinton and his allowing Glass Speagal to go down is the reason why the cash flow keeps running away from most of us. Ask yourself, where have all the dollars gone? Two unfunded wars still costing us big time, a stupid unfunded perscription deal, tax breaks for the ones needing them the least and an insane push forward with American imperialism. Those in the military industrial complex have most of the cash and the greedy hustlers on wall street dissapered a ton of it. GreenSPAM and his nutball ideas were and are the ones held by those that think they know something about economics and we will continue going further down and over the cliff if we vote in the Republicans. This is not your father's Republican party.
Those that run the Far Right have given up on America which is why our money and jobs are leaving here. "We don't need no f*cking middle class" is the war cry of the Far Right Wing terminally stupid treasonous b*stards.
armurray#5.6~~Ryans' plan is to kill Obamacare, medicare, medicaid, and social security, cut taxes for the very wealthy, and increase taxes for the working class and the very poor. And Romney thinks Ryans' plan is marvelous! The CBO indicates, Ryans plan increases the deficit.
Thank you Mr. Moe and Mr. Haake,
Very nicely written. It was respectfully unbiased and I appreciate NBCnews for a kind informative piece.
Like we really want this guy. (who is far too close to Sebelius and Pelosi.)
Mr. Bruce (1628250), Biden is not going to fair too well in his debate with Ryan.
Thank you from the preborn human lives yet in the womb.
~Julia
well Julia you are wrong.. Biden is a very strong speaker of the TRUTH.. and no we can not say that about Ryan.. you need to check his lies about his budget and see that it WILL NOT decrease the budget (CBO) ... and when you read the CBO's FACTS you will note that his budget will actually cost YOU more in taxes..NOW that is the truth..
Well maxgiver, I seem to recall that the CBO compared both ryans plan and obamas plan and that ryans plan did decrease the deficits more than obamas plan. What is your point? To bad obama ignored boles-simpson.
SS trustees have already projected that at current funding levels SS can only pay out about 75% of its obligations after 2032. We know from a variety of news reports that medicare is seriously underfunded. Even warren buffet has made the analysis that obamas "buffet rule" or increasing just the taxes on the top 2% will put a serious dent in our debt level.
BTW, I have no problem with the top 2% paying a higher tax rate, but I do have a problem with obama and the left promoting it as an effective solution to out of control government spending. Let the obama (bush) tax cuts and payroll tax cuts expire across the board.
Obama has said that the private sector is doing fine, so these "tax cuts" need no longer apply. Also with the private sector doing so well, our economy should be able to take the hit in GDP that a tax increase will have.
Max, are you serious? Biden is a poor speaker. Most of what he says if fabrications or lies. I personally can not wait to see Ryan make the old man look like a corrupt fool.
Every time Biden opens his mouth it shows what a has been buffoon he is. Obama only chose hime for 2 reasons: He was a Democrat and he would not out shine him or be able to comprehend what Obama and the Chicago czaars were doing.
Have any of you ever listened to Ryan speak? He has command of facts and figures, doesn't need a tele-prompter to think for him. Biden is dumb and obama stammers and studders to get a thought out.
Paul Ryan repeats talking points, and has no command of anything -- Don't you know that his plan doesn't balance the budget for 23 years? Don't you know he rubber-stamped all of Dubya's spending without questioning one single part of it? Did you know that he never submitted legislation of his own that became law? Another Myth has been created by FAUX Noise and Hate Radio - Sweet Jeebus.
TruePatriot-445959
Ryan will talk about who has to do with less and who it is the need the most. A loser argument.
Biden will talk about people and not theoretical bullsh*t. A winner by far.
Hoping you print the above link on why this mama of three daughters can NOT comprehend such a foolish waste of $$. Nor, can I understand how ANYONE could call this AFFORDABLE or HEALTHCARE! My daughter (15) has no need for such foolishness, she is busy learning her Algebra, ballet, and barely can drive!
~Thanks,
Jaysus: another antichoice zealot. Must be a full moon.
Must be newday, you showed up!!
Paul Ryan is pretending like he is some Washington outsider. Bad government, he says!
He has been a part of the bad government for years! He is one of the Congressmen in a Congress with the lowest approval rating in decades. Voted for deficit busting, unfunded medicare expansion, reckless military spending, and both wars.
Some deficit hawk! BWAHAHAHAHA
Obama's the master of debt and deficit ....
A master at getting it to historical highs every day he's been in office .... "LOL"
Obama had plenty of help with that "historical highs" deficit. Paul Ryan was one such helper.
"Ryan is used to cutting through the bushes."..............
Hiding in them maybe but he was the one who helped Georgie the Bush take a budget surplus and turn it into a depression and several trillion dollar debt hand off to Obama who now gets the blame for the whole deficit...........forget those banksters that Bush helped rape the country and those little wars and unfunded budget thingies that Obama got in the handoff..............Obama's fault right? Nice strategy to vote NO on everything to rape the country to make it Obama's fault......Vote for the Republicans and get more of the same.........tax cuts for millionaires and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches as gourmet fare for the middle clas...........quickly disappearing into the bread and margarine menu.
why not talk about Ryan
I read 14 points about RAYAN yesterday, what a joke that was.. he lives in his office, actually he and a number of others do the same.. when they do get some monies for housing.. we did not beg these folks to go to DC they chose to be there.. also Ryan tried catching catfish while he was in the water.. IMPORTANT right.. what is not said is that he has more than one house, actually more than 5,,
Ryan is just another Leach on the backs of working people. He has been living off of us for years now, it's way past the time to throw this Friend of the 1% out on the street.
I wonder why the left is so averse to facts.
In a state which borders on communism and representing a district which is composed largely of Democrats, Paul Ryan has been elected seven times with the least percentage being 57%. That was his first year.
Who disapproves of him that matters?
What a load of crap, they didn't keep anything secret since Ryan wasn't even on their radar. The only reason Mitwit choose him is because the tea baggers insisted he do so. They don't like Romney anymore than the rest of America. Romney has already lost the election thankfully.
Then why are so many democrats running to the Romney camp now .... "LOL"
Ben, have another shot on me
You were the cute little name caller .... "LOL"
Right .... "LOL"
LOL LOL LOL LOL Loser -- No one bothers to read your posts.
So let me see if I understand this> The governor of the fourth most liberal state in the union and an evangelical tea bagger are now running mates who want to spread family values and put women who have abortions in jail while they outsource more jobs so the super rich can keep their tax cuts and invest more in china. Did i miss anything lol?????????????????
No you didn't miss a thing.
R & R are toast.
Obama/Biden 2012
Thank you so much !!!!
Well "not" true Pat, Snappa has 14 likes to your 5 so, apparently his posts are viewed and liked better than yours.
Ah BigBen. You must want to take it in the shorts if these two get into office. I am going to start refering to you as BigBenDover!
fayse,
True Patriot was reffering to bigben ,who constantly spams Newsvine, and ends every comment with "LOL"
I had to add him to my IGNORE list.
haha fuzzy, isnt it funny how such a liberal media collapses comments like bens EVERY TIME!?
CENSORSHIP. THE TOOL OF SUPPRESSION AND LIES.
BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LIBERAL MEDIA
Rightisright...
How observant, I knew FR was a liberal/progressive stronghold blog since I joined newsvine in 2010. I found it rather humorous that the left leaners can be voted up many times for just saying "good morning", let alone attacking any conservative or independent blogger that questions the lefts ideology.
So SNAPPA must be a teabagger or how else could he have concrete proof of his post on Romeny choosing Ryan!
Bigben is rude, crude and impolite. Not to mention uninformed and out of touch. Why wouldn't we collapse his posts? WE - those of us who post here - are the censors. Not First Read.
Obama/Biden 2012
SNAPPA hasn't figured out that if you post down here after the thread is dead, no one votes for anything. My post in the section below has 14 "likes" because it was posted a long time ago. Oh the feeble-minded rightwingers...
Posting what you don't like is no reason to censor. Rude and crude is your opinion, threats and cursing deserve sensorship. If you only want to hear one opinion watch MSNBC they need the viewers. They are 18th in cable news while FOX has been number 1 for 10 years.
And WWE has enjoyed the best ratings in its time slot too. What's your point?
Jersey Shore enjoys top ratings too.
Entertainment doesn't mean informative or even accurate.
The burning question for me is why they would want to keep it a secret in the first place. The only reason I can think of is that they wanted to build media suspense as a way of deflecting from the real issue of Romney hiding his tax records.
Ryan's already defined as extremist Ayn Randian jerk from a wealthy family and elitist perspective who intends to wreak havoc on the American social contract. Surprise surprise that Romney would be forced to pick him.
And do you think Obama's 47 year high in the poverty rate is at all extreme .... "LOL"
Romney is paranoid and has other neurotic hangups. But the decision to go with Ryan this week was due to desperation, and fear of the far-Right fringe. The more Romney becomes a person who merely has working digits to sign his VP's plan, the more Romney will regret the day he won the nomination.
The real exploding story isn't 'who did Romney pick' but....'why did Christie and Portman turn down the job'? Rubio was cut because he refused to show his taxes to Romney.
So to answer your question culheath asking why would they keep it a sercret....it's because they didn't want people hearing that they were turned down. Next person in line for the offer....Jan Brewer.
The real exploding story isn't 'who did Romney pick' but....'why did Christie and Portman turn down the job'?
Great answer, but I hate you for putting Brewer in my mind.
HEY CULHEATH, if you had hundreds of millions, would you hire an accounting firm to pay the most taxes, accurate returns, or lowest rate, and be accurate?
he was audited already, and found nothing wrong. so , he paid the lowest rate, and was accurate. its none of your business. go look at the two he gave, and report to us will ya??
Then what is it that would have him refuse to reveal them? Privacy issues are BS.
This is a man who is applying for the job of most powerful man on the planet. Inquiring minds want to know just who the hell he is and what he's been up to and whether or not he has been merely meeting legal requirements (requirements made "legal" by the way to suit his ilk by his ilk) or whether he has been a responsible citizen who has cared as much about the welfare of the country as his own personal welfare. It speaks to character and whether he understand the difference between letter of the law ad spirit of the law.
So, no, given the import of the office he is applying for, the legality of his of his past behaviors is not the sole criteria for judgment. If he wants to keep his records private then he should apply to Burger King maybe.
culheath, the irs did it under the direction of obozo. no criminality, AND TO TOP IT OFF GAVE AN ADDITIONAL 10 PERCENT TO CHARITY!!
yeah, like you care that obozo surrounds himself with criminals, liars, tax cheats and terrorists?
didnt think so. you just want to keep destroying amreica with 100 plus million on welfare, 50 plus million on food stamps, 30 plus million on unemployment.
GREAT JOB OBOZO! GO GET EM MITT AND PAUL!!
Actually culheath, inquiring minds what to know who is Barack Hussein Obama and where did he come from and why did he have a totally different name in college and why is he beholding to George Soros?
"....an additional 10% to charity". The Mormon church is NOT a charity.
rightisright is wrongaswrong as he coud be.
The whole post is a blatant lie. Btw, when you pay 10% to your Church... it's called tithing, not charity. But what else would a liar know about tithing and religion.
Finally, at a minimum... at least know how to spell America!
Actually, the answer is in the same book where Parley P. Pratt, Romney and Jon Huntsman's serial adulterer and great great grandfather's name is written. Also, Sam Adelson is alphabetically easier to find than Soros. But, it's all there (sarcasm)!
Romney can't release any more years, because if he did it would have to include 2008 and 2009 -- probably the most incriminating years that McCain didn't see.
The IRS doesn't audit someone like Romney every year--it's primarily random or there has to be an illegal red flag. Romney gaming the system is unethical and unAmerican -- this we already know. Just because it's not illegal (though it probably should be) doesn't mean his tax returns would look good to voters.
lol at you chuck! i suppose now churches arent charities because you say so right? and i see you have your standard 16th grade liberal arts degree, where they teach you to win an argument by picking on the grammar....and lying.
Jaw dropping: over 100-million now on Federal Welfare
by Norm Van Ness
Posted: 08.08.2012 at 5:34 PM ....
Thanks Obama .... "LOL"
The new numbers stem from the U.S. Census's Survey of Income and Program Participation which shows that nearly 110,000 million individuals received a welfare benefit in 2011. The benefits counted were not limited to U.S. citizens...as non-citizens were included in the final tally ....
And 36% of illegal aliens are on some type of Obama welfare now .... "LOL"
Excluding S.S , Medicaid and Medicare ....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-100-million-now-receiving-federal-welfare_649589.html
little ben - how about sharing your socialist program from BIG OIL - you got what this year $2,100 per person and I have challenged you time and time again
Ben even a pig squeals when their tail is pulled - and not an oink from you
Oh for Pete's sake, ban this bigbenalaska person already.
LOL, yep if BUSH was in office another 4 years that number would be tripled including the National debt, but his RICH friends would be much much RICHER ....
Ben tell me the truth, are you just another troll having fun or are you really that brainwashed?
First: you numbers are just plain ridiculous.
Second: 99.9% of Illegals are working in low level and very difficult jobs for low pay. In my area many of these Illegals have taken to becoming contractors in construction and and landscaping,
Third, If you don't have documentation, you would not dare walk into a gov. office asking for anything unless you had a visa or green card.
So im gonna be kind and say your not a moron, so that would make you a simple evil troll who gains pleasure being annoying to people. Good luck Ben. lol that description is a personality disorder. literally.
i love how they try to censor you! lol! keep it up ben!
@george pauljohn, un-documented people can get a drivers license in most states. They get free health care and can collect welfare. Pull your head out of the sand. I could go on and on but not worth my time to argue.
hi. i call myself true patriot, and when someone like ben posts facts about king obozo, i want them deleted...beg for it...whine about it....plead for it....call names when someone actually tells the truth.
fit the word liberal instead of true patriot, and you have the same group mob mentality that lynch people.
ISNT THAT THE LIBERAL MEDIA HMMMM???
Why is there a 30 year low in employment participation now under Obama .... "LOL"
Almost 4 years and a 30 year low .... "LOL"
Adios , Obamos .... "LOL"
BenDover - Do you work for the Koch brothers?
Bigbenalaska is THE MAN!!! Sir, I love everything you've been saying because it's all true! All the left can bitch about is "he won't show his taxes". WRONG. Rightisright already stated the fact that Romney has been audited and given his two years, and he's passed the test. Now, let's talk about why blOmaba took years to produce his (falsified) Birth Certificate, or College records, or the fact that his (half) brother is living in squander in Kenya. (I thought he wanted to "share the wealth?") Or how his book "..Dreams my father..." stated that his Grandmother held him in her arms at his birth, IN KENYA!!! Face it, Obama has nothing good to stand on, so he'll just try to hit Romney with negative info. I can't wait to watch this country flourish as soon as that arrogant Barry/Hussien is out of the house!! I know, the lefties will collapse this comment too.
They looked at several years of tax returns. Is that funny or what!!!! I'll bet at least 10 years. Mitt knows all to well how damaging tax returns can be. Can't have both candidates screwing the IRS.
And this was a secret? I think pretty much everyone knew it would be Ryan. Except the right wing maybe. They are not good a figuring stuff out.
And are you saying that Obama's IRS was not good at figuring out stuff .... "LOL"
Bigbentroll,
It hasn't been Obama's IRS for the last 10 years now has it? There's some anti-goof pills in the cabinet. See if you can roll off the couch and slither across the floor to take a few, would you? There's a good slug.
Not everyone in Alaska is a moron. Just so you know there is a few republicans that have turned and voted for Obama. I know cause my uncle was mayor here for six years in FBX, had palin at his house for a dinner. When she left he said she was the dumbest twit he had met and was completely disappointed. When she was selected for VP he laughed his ass off and knew there was no chance for McCain. I my self am bi-partisan and will vote for Obama. All you Romney/Ryan lovers get ready for the biggest slam dunk in your face come November! OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 here we come!
R&R Campaign Train Wreck - there's an Elephant in the road! No, that's a "Do Nothing" Career Congressman laying on the tracks named Paul Ryan who has a Poli Sci degree & thinks he can balance a budget.
We would have been better off if Obama did nothing .... "LOL"
Everything he did was a complete disaster .... "LOL"
Bin Laden's wives agree with you, wholeheartedly.
Wow! Ryan. Heavy hitter. Frequently presidential candidates will pick a doofus like Biden as their running mate to so they can look good by comparison. Other times they will pick a VP just to bring in a particular segment of the electorate, as with Walter Mondale's choice of Geraldine Ferraro. The fact that Romney has chosen Ryan shows that he has a great deal of self confidence. More importantly, it shows that he is assembling a top-notch management team. As a businessman, he realizes that a tough challenge, like undoing Obama's mischief, will take the very highest quality team to accomplish.
Nice Kannin ....
And good to see you ....
You too, my friend! This actually must have been a very tough choice for Romney. He was probably torn between choosing Ryan who is tough and smart and who can be the number two guy in a highly dynamic management "tiger team"; and choosing someone like Rubio who can bring in a critical segment of voters. This was a gutsy choice for Romney; I hope it was the right one.
Me too Kannin ....
But even Biden has great respect for Ryan ....
Ryan is a budget whiz ....
It's really what America needs now from Obama's fiscal damage ....
Congressmen's approval ratings are in the tank (teens), Ryan will sink Romney's campaign faster than the Titanic. Paul has only a BS in Poli Sci & doesn't even know how to turn on a calculator.
So Bob - Whom do you think would have been a better choice?
How much of a whiz do you have to be to propose cutting the top rate from 35% down to 25%? Ryan's budget doesn't balance the budget for 23 years. Real genius there (not). The "deep bench" and "rising stars" -- that's delusional rightwing propaganda, just like the praise given to Paul Ryan.
Ah, Kannin,
Perhaps you might have stated it better thusly: "The fact that Romney has chosen Ryan shows that" Grover Norquist "has a great deal of self confidence."
...and, brother, does he ever!
Who is Grover Norquist and why do liberals talk about him so much?
"As a businessman, he realizes that a tough challenge,"
Some of the worst presidents we've had have been businessmen -- people like Bush 41, Hoover, Harding, Carter -- all were successful businessmen.
On the other hand, some of our greatest presidents failed at business. Abraham Lincoln racked up so many unpaid notes in his brief career as a storekeeper in New Salem, Illinois, that he referred to the obligations as his “national debt.” For 15 years after his haberdashery in Kansas City went under, Harry Truman was still working to pay off his creditors, and was strapped for money until well into his career in the United States Senate. Jefferson was a terrible businessman and died all but broke.
Running a government and running a business are not the same.
It used to be said that the best presidents were ex-governors. Then came Carter and Bush. I was also said that Senators made bad presidents, and Lyndon Johnson supported that theory, but what about Kennedy?
It must be more dependent on the person than some rule of thumb.
Carter showed us all that that particular ex-governor was the worst president in history but he got knocked off the throne by an ex-community organizer.
No CoCo -- the worst president in history was George W. Bush. Remember -- it was George W. Bush and his Republican Congress who brought us two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, a massive, unfunded, new entitlement, the largest expansion of government since LBJ, the largest increase in energy prices in any 8 year period in our history, along with a net loss of jobs over 8 years all while turning the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times and leaving office with the worst economy since the depressions.
The reality is no president since Kennedy had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in BETTER shape than did George W. Bush and no president since FDR had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in WORSE than did President Obama. It will take this nation a generation or longer to dig ourselves out of the economic disaster caused by George W. Bush and his Republican controlled Congress.
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Charlie-1915998 -- Rightwingers like CoCo the Clown are trying to rewrite history and editing out the two disastrous Bush/Cheney terms. Hahaha, how pathetic -- They have to jump back all the way to Reagan.
Ryan: "I feel we have an opportunity to fix things once and for all."
These two, Ryan and Romney, are so freaking arrogant.
It seems they are both masters at secrecy, too.
Discipline is one thing, obsessive control is another.
I hope someone leaks Romney's tax returns.
It will be all you need to know to see he is not presidential material.
The Republican convention is going to be a bloodbath.
I knew that McDonald was toast as a potential VP pick as soon as his proposed that stupid vaginal probe legislation. He probably thought that was his best shot to get the VP spot ... oops.
I have to say that the Ryan pick really surprises me.
But, then, I guess Romney had no choice.
If he wins it will be because the Tea Party gets even more hysterical and anti-Obama, and I guess the Ryan pick offers the Romney campaign the greatest amount of hysteria.
Americans are just anti-disaster ....
Obama has been a complete disaster ....
Simple ....
Stop looking in the mirror while you write and you may not be so disgusted.
Learn to write President Romney and Vice-President Ryan.
And First Lady Ann Romney ....
Quit collapsing bigbenalaska's comments. If you think that stops people from reading them your are wrong. It shows a lack of tolerance when you keep collapsing comments from those you don't agree with.
MY fellow Americans~ Now is the time for the people to STOP being stuck on stupid! So, get off of your Dumb ASS, and pay/(VOTE) for the ride on the Majestic ELEPHANT to the TEA PARTY in the Big TENT.
do not stay stuck on a stupid ass/donkey ride.
Then why are you whining so much if people can just click the + button?
Seems pointless to even bring it up, doesn't it?
Pure genius.
We now have a team being assembled to fix the mess created by Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid - which started with their involvement in housing legislation and all the way through 2011.
Obama has created decades of disasters in less than 4 years ....
You mean like Bush's plan to give 5.5 million minorities that couldn't make mortgage payments, the down payments to buy the houses they would later default on?
That was in fact his plan to get the minority vote for hid re election campaign. His administration even pressed Fannie and Freddie to back these homes. We were even blessed with funding this with 200 million of our tax dollars a year.
Just one year after this went through, Bush was warned of the repercussions, but anything for a vote, correct?
You guys, Bush is over and done. Obama is the fall guy now. Take your punches like a man.
I hope Mitt keeps up this tax thing right up until his October Surprise of dumping them on the media with just enough time for the democRATS to say "OOPS!". And nothing untoward will be found. You don't make the kind of money he did by being stupid enough to do something for which you can get caught. Everything will be absolutely legal. If he were guilty of something, it would have come out by now, with the viciousness that the obama campaign has persued him thus far.
obama doesn't go for just defeating an oponent; he goes out to destroy them in every way. There's nothing there to find or they'd have found it by now. And if it was in taxes, obama's personal SS, the IRS would have given it to him already.
There's Dawn V ....
Looking good ....
And yes ....
Mitt is a law abiding tax payer ....
That's all that matters ....
I don't think I am exposing any state secret. There are two ways to hide something... the hard way is to hide it yourself... the second is to give to the enemy and let them hide it from themselves.
Political Science was the very first class I took at the University of Wyoming. Always did feel sorry for Professor John Baines, having to put with me.........
I doubt that ....
You're fun ....
I just do what I love and love what I do. And I get to tweak liberals.... that's icing.
"LOL"
You see ....
I am right ....
All you have to do is show a little support for Romney and the Obama supporters freak out Dawn .... "LOL"
Dawn - Excellent observation. The Russians teach "Dezhinformatsiya y Maskirovka" at their military schools and have refined such techniques to an art form. I call it "perception management"
That's some spelling there Kannin ....
Good job ....
His 2010 returns looked bad enough. Almost certainly his 2008 and 2009 look even worse. He's not going to release more years because he can't just skip those two years, or any other year(s) that look bad. You "stay sweet" Dawn, and keep up the faith. ; 0
I don't think anyone really thinks mitt did anything illegal, it's just that we would like to see what % of his income went to pay HIS FAIR SHARE of the tax bills..
"Political Science was the very first class I took at the University of Wyoming."
Didn't learn much in it did you. Let's try politics 101. It takes 270 votes in the electoral college to be elected president. By choosing Ryan as his VP, Mitt Romney just handed Florida to Preaident Obama giving him more than the 270 necessary votes to assure another 4 years as president. President Obama can now lost in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Colorado and Nevada and still sin the election.
There's a world of difference between illegal and unethical.
So what was unethical?
We don't know because he refuses to release his returns.
Dawn Can you understand the difference between a fraudulent return and a perfectly legal but embarrassing tax return? If he legally paid no tax for 2008 or 2009 due to investment losses, it would take a lot of splaining.
Charlie - It is good to see someone chose a running mate based on principles rather than what state it can deliver. I'm sure that Obama didn't chose Biden to secure the 3 electoral votes from Delaware; but he picked someone who if, God forbid, became president would be the best thing for SNL since Gerald Ford.
Arguably, Justice Learned Hand was one of the greatest minds to ever sit on the Supreme Court. His answer to your "unethical" issue was as follows:
"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes." Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934) (Hand, J. Learned), aff'd 293 U.S. 465, 55 S.Ct. 266.
Wow. So true and so clearly put.
IBruce-1628250 I am a baby boomer and I will vote for him. I take the time to listen to Ryan's plan I know that it only affects those 55 or under. I don't listen to the liberal media twisting what I hear him say
The Ryan budget reduces the top tax rate from 35% to 25% -- that in itself is suspect coming from two rich dudes, Romney and Ryan.
To cut programs for poor seniors to give more tax cuts to the rich is immoral. And worst of all, it doesn't balance the budget for 23 years. WTF!?
Hey Phil, I am a baby boomer too but unlike you I can read. Do you really want Grover running this country. When are we going to see Ryan's taxes?
so, you are ready to throw the undr 55 folks under the bus????
What bus?
So, it's OK to screw the under 55 crowd?
No it is not.
R & R will throw everyone not wealthy under the bus.
And laugh while they do it.
Obama/Biden 2012
Phil-1210510
IBruce-1628250 I am a baby boomer and I will vote for him. I take the time to listen to Ryan's plan I know that it only affects those 55 or under. I don't listen to the liberal media twisting what I hear him say
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You are the kind of "low information, uninformed voter" the Republicans are praying for. The kind that watch Faux Noise and eat up whatever they tell you. Why not do some research yourself instead of buying the lies they tell you?
http://nationaljournal.com/magazine/ryan-plan-would-have-immediate-effect-on-seniors-20110602
See? it's easy to check out things for yourself if you just use a bit of intelligence. :-)
So what is there that makes you think that when those currently 50 or 54 or whatever age are going to be able to better afford health care when they hit retirement age, especially if the right was successful in repealing Obamacare? Couple that with their frenzy to completely unleash the rampant greed of the insurance companies (and all others for that matter) and you have a formula for disaster. We had a country with no safety net before and it was a disaster, thats why those programs were put in place. With middle class wages being basically flat for the last few decades and insurance rates jumping sometimes 30 - 60 percent in single years how can anyone outside the top of the wealthy being able to keep up. With many either unemployed or under-employed, many having to work 2 or 3 jobs just to survive how is it even imaginable that anyone will be able to put away enough to retire. The republicans have one guiding principle, everything to the wealthy and make the rest of us pay for it.
People, listen. Social Security is going bankrupt. There's a good chance we 55 and unders will get Nothing if some action is not taken.
Just putting Ryan on the ticket does not mean that his proposal is suddenly law. It will go through tons of changes and may not even make it. The important thing is that he has made a proposal that is something besides "let's do nothing and keep on collecting until the money is completely gone."
Uber-taxing millionaires will not suddenly make SS solvent, and certainly will make little dent in the trillion dollar deficit. Why should they have to pay to fix the governement's overspending? When you retrench your family budget, don't you make cuts that sometimes hurt? Have to tighten the belt? I'm 55, and I know that I am facing a tough retirement either way you look at it. So I work two jobs and hope that I can take care of myself no matter what the government does. When did we become so dependant?
Romney managed to blab about his secret meeting with British intelligence to the UK press within hours of the meeting, so I just assumed Romney's Tea Party handlers didn't tell him who his vice president would be until just before he made the announcement.
Romney's biggest secrets are his tax records and some of his murky business deals at Bain, and he seems to know how to keep those.
We can be sure that anything on Romney's tax returns will be legal since he and his CPA know that they might be scrutinized thoroughly by the ferrets at the IRS. In any case they can have no possible effect on the country as a whole.
We can't say the same for the Fast and Furious documents that Obama is hiding by Executive Privilege. Obama talks “transparency” and practices the most aggressive obscuration.
Apparently the documents relating to Fast and Furious are so damning to Obama that if they come to light he would not only lose the election, but might also be sent to prison.
-Kannin . . .We can be sure anything on Romney's tax returns will be legal since he and his CPA know that they might be scrutinized.....
So did Al Capone and his CPA and looked what happened. Kanin it's voters like you should forget about the "voter ID" and replace it with "voter intelligence test".Wold you be interested in buying a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge?
Al Capone went to prison for Tax EVASION not Fraud.
Al didn't bother to pay taxes on his illegal income.
Obama and Holder acted Illegally on Fast and Furious, when it finally comes out Obummer will be like Nixon ( V I'm not a crook).
Sure you keep" thinking" that.
You are totally uninformed.
Obama/Biden 2012
When the Dems are complaining that Romney "only" paid 14% of the tax he released they neglect to state that that 14% was $7,000,000.00!
I have failed to see here any comments that the Obama pick for heading the IRS, who is Time Geitner, that he had not FILED OR PAID ANY taxes for years and did not pay back after being appointed and confirmed by Harry Reid's Democrat Senate.
Stop being stuck on stupid!
Why did they keep it a secret?
Easy: they were ashamed.
Sig, how do you keep an @!$%# in suspense?
I'll tell you later.
Yawn,
Still didn't answer his question though, did you?
No, They announced the pick in the middle of the night to give Mitt an extra 8 or 9 hours to flip-flop and change his mind!
Hey bigbenalaska - Good job! Apparently your comments struck a nerve among the lefties here. They collapsed all of them. You must have offended them when you pointed out "Obama's 47 year high in the poverty rate"
Have you noticed that statement of simple facts like that really irritate liberals?
Ben, If you're still around, I published that chart I spoke of the other night, the one on deficits. It's on my column.
It was probably pretty easy to keep it a secret, mostly because no one really cared. It was a passing curiosity and nothing else, because it doesn't matter who the eventual loser's running mate is going to be....and since the campaign started everyone with a brain has realized that the GOP was running a "who gets to lose in November" contest.
Rick Santorum is the real winner because in December he'll be able to say "I COULD have beaten Obama" (It won't be a particularly accurate boast, but it's one of those statements that there's no way to prove or invalidate.
Still the little boy whistling as he passes the graveyard. The more scared he gets, the louder he whistles.
Anyone who post a photograph likes yours is asking for something. Perhaps you should rethink your perspective on whistles.
Taken together with your slash and burn commentaries and hit and run approach to discourse, I would think that you're asking for control and power.
If you're missing something in your life, Dawn, you won't find it here.
Interesting coincidence MSNBCMFE ... There was a brutal rapist in LA some years back who used an almost identical defense: "Did you see the way she was dressed? She was asking for it!"
He's still in prison ...
@MSNBCMFE, you sound envious. Put down the doughnut walk away from the pc and exersize. Dawn V is the total package, nice looking and smart.
Franks,
This isn't HotorNot.com. Take your play for Dawn elsewhere.
First of all, I don't really believe much of what comes from Romney and his team...he has a track record of lying, so you never know when he's telling the truth. I really doubt that he chose Ryan before the conservatives backed him into a corner last week. Faced with republican desertion and sinking poll numbers, Romney really had no choice but to go with Ryan or continue to be chastised by his own party. He's never demonstrated that he has the guts to stand up to the far-right wing of his party despite the fact that giving in to them may cost him the general election.
As to keeping a secret, we've experienced first-hand how good Romney is at keeping secrets from the American people, like who he really is. And his tax returns are probably in one of those locked safes, and not allowed to leave the office. If this man ever had a soul, he sold it long ago.
Just like Obama's records continue to be locked up.
I think you have opticalrectomy SanityCheck. That's when your eye's are crossed up with you dierere and you can't see for sh_t. This is a prime case of Puff the Magic Dragon. Obama is the Master of the Secret Chamber , as for lies. Excuse me!! I'd like to know more about Reverand Wright, (Oh he was in church but he didn't listen to "GD America"and more about Bill Ayers, and more about being a foreign exchange student, and more about his impeccable grades, and more about his imaginary girlfriend in his imiginary book he wrote.
Hobbs...you are right! Imaginary girlfriend? Imaginary book? Leader of a nation? Does not ring right to intelligent normal people.
Lets just let the election tell the American Voters who will be the next POTUS. This bickering back and forth only raises anger from everyone on these posts.
After reading these comments I went to Fox front page to see what they were saying. Really scary what Ryan's plans are. Already he is spouting about outing medicare with that trumped up about doing a health bracket or give you a check to spend on health as you wish. also there is a 25% to 35% that you may/will have to spend. And you call a penalty on Obama's as lousy. Go read, then come back and give us your opinion.
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read between the lines, he will screw you too!!!