"Deflecting continued questions about a controversial ad from a Democratic-aligned super PAC, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney..... So much for Mr. transparency O-Bummer - Lie, Lie ,Lie....

The Romney campaign should run this as on a loop with the facts playing over it.

The tag line should be "Is this the President you want to vote for".

Super Pacs are NEVER FINE when they lie, distort, miquote.

This whole Supoer Pac $$$$$ debacle was a huge Supreme Court mistake.

The lies are easily called out on FACT CHECK...an ANYONE trying to pretend that they
didn't see them"

as their excuse

is being a jerk.

Signed,

Annoyed INDEPENDENDENT

Annoyes at that damn PAC put out such STUPID AD AND TOOK forever to denounce it.

START TELLING THE TRUTH....Bias and excuses only turn off the voters.

Quaint, just quaint.

Let's be realistic here- both parties have "friends" in the PACs and organizing committees. They share "ideas" and deligate who's going to take what shots. The official campaign keeps their hands clean while the surrogates get their hands dirty. The PACs are instructed to make the most vitriolic allogations, many knowing that they are taking a topic completely out of context/outright lies/unsubstantiated allegations, etc. So the campaign lets the bombs be dropped and then claims: 1. To not have known anything about the claims, 2. Had nothing to do with them, and 3. Can't control what someone else says.

You see the same things with elected politicians being used as media hit men right now. How many times recently have you thought "did he just say that?" or "what a complete load"? It's clearly a setup organized by the party as a means to protect/promote their candidate.

Unfortunately the politicians like to huddle with pollsters and focus groups that have taught them that Americans don't like to figure things out for themselves anymore, that bulletpoints and phrases are more appealing to them, that they don't read beyond one paragraph, and they'll believe anything if you say it enough.

The real problem is that once the ads go out there's little concern with correcting them. We've heard recently of many PAC ads being reviewed for accuracy and finding that what was claimed wasn't true, that the peole posing in the ads didn't agree with the position but were paid to say it, that they are partisan and just went along with what the PAC wanted them to say. Once the word is out people decide and don't turn back.

RI Mom- We don't see eye to eye a lot, but I agree with you on this one. I'd just assume ads be limited to simple facts and not the gross misrepresentations and lies spread. Look, he's rolling your grandmother off a cliff- he's bad. Yuck!

1.4

Then BOTH PARTIES need to stop abusing our freedom of speech.

That PAC MONEY is freakin' HUGE.

Spend it wisely...not LIE-sly.

Wow, Carney just said (see article)that the President of the US, the most powerful man on earth, is powerless to get a PAC working on behalf his campaign to stop or pull a simple little ad. I guess he's pretty damned powerless, at that! Maybe that's why he can't seem to get anything done.......

they claim a republican killed some guy's wife

That entire thing backfired, much like everything Obama has touched in the last 4 years.

As he and campaign spokespeople have in the past few days, Carney maintained that the Obama camp has no say over outside groups’ ads.

wink, wink.

Who knows, it may be true, the Obama camp sure hasn't had a clue over the last 4 years.

Here's a novel idea. If Obama is as great as he thinks he is, why doesn't he just run on his record. Ya right, sling the mud. Hypocrites!

why doesn't he just run on his record

43 straight months of 8% or greater unemployment.

Great Job Obama.

“We do not control third-party ads,” Carney said, adding later, “I do not have any role in third-party groups that produce these ads.”

Obama's finger print are all over. Third party groups run adds in coordination with Obama's campaign headquarters. The lie blaming Romney for the death of the wife of an steel worker ( Joe the liar) presumable lay out for Bain , even her wife got health insurance working for another company is Romney fault, this fat lie start at the Obama camps.

If obama ran on his record it would be a short campaign. Could have saved allot of time and money. Park the bus and put the helicopter back in the garage. Just bring the teleprompters to the house and set them up. He could even run his own ad campaign. Sound something like this, "I...umm..." leans back and whispers to someone offstage, "hey, what did I do again?"

With all those one-line posts, is someone having a meltdown? Get back on your meds -- that might help.

Sounds like neo Birthers asking for tax returns. Good distraction from our lousy economy. OMG= Obama Must Go

Super Pacs are also fine when they say the President gutted social security when all the fact check organizations have said that is blatantly false.

Romney's Super Pacs are lying too.

I don't hear Romney denouncing his lying Super Pacs.

Interesting, Kerry released 2 years, McCain released 2 years returns, now all of a sudden the jealous and failures among us want to deconstruct tax policy?

Mitt didn't make the tax law.

As for the hypocrite in chief:

"President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama had a combined income of $789,674 in 2011 but paid a lower tax rate than the president's secretary, who made less than $100,000, the White House confirmed Friday.

The Obamas paid an effective rate of 20.5 percent. White House aides would not reveal presidential secretary Anita Breckenridge’s tax rate but confirmed it was higher than the first family's rate. Breckenridge earned $95,000 last year."

Now why is this important? It's not. These cowards will never make meaningful tax changes, as the current tax code is 73,608 pages long, and filled with payoffs for both parties donors.

What is important is $5 trillion in new debt, with additional debt building at more than $1 trillion a year, a president that spends more time golfing than with Congressional leaders doing his job. He has a jobs counsel that never meets, record levels of food stamp recipients, 100 million Americans now on some form of government support, record levels of permanent unemployment, 1,000,000 fewer Americans working than when Obama was elected, no plan to "get out of the ditch" except to tax the rich ($80 billion at best per year, more likely $40 billion after these folks adjust) and spend like identity thieves.

eric: you make a good point. I think both sides of the isle can agree that ANY Super Pac are wrong for our electorial system. PS: Owebama never denounced his Super pacs either.

True Patriot-

Romney, release at least 8 years tax returns NOW or pack up and get out!

So you think that he must do something that is not required by law? You are informed enough to understand that he has met every legal qualification to be running for president? Is it the fact that you need some dirt on this guy? So far all I have seen is the Obama campaign attacking Bain?

Tax Return Liberals are just like the birthers.

[Interesting, Kerry released 2 years, McCain released 2 years returns...]

I believe their tax returns were a matter of public record because they were (are) Senators at the time of their presidential run, whereas Romneys "tax documents", as Governor, are not.

Epic FAIL.

I am against all super pacs... ALL OF THEM.

But naturally, the hypocrite Republicans support their super pacs while complaining when the other team does the same thing.

If Obama is as great as he thinks he is, why doesn't he just run on his record

Like creating an environment where the stock market goes from 800 to 13,000+

If YOU were too stupid to take advantage of that, then the ONLY person to blame is yourself. You are obviously a failure, and you are trying to blame Obama for the shortcomings in your personal life. I have more than doubled my stock portfolio in the last 4 years, greatly increasing my wealth.

Obama is not the reason you are a failure, YOU ARE.

Romney has yet to release even one full year.

More misinformation...Romney has released the 2 full years that are permitted by law. Please feel free to back up your statement...

Hope and Change is now Mope and Blame

Romney released ONE year, 2010 and an estimate of 2011, not the final return.

Cal20: Why wouldn't you want to see Mitt's tax returns. Don't you care about knowing these important details about YOUR candidate. You know the Democrats wouldn't let this slip by with their candidate, and if P. Obama didn't already release his and he made the same excuse, you people.....you people would go bananas.

Polls show 63% of Americans want Romney to release more tax returns.

The two year precedence is a lame excuse and a LIE. Kerry and McCain provided financials all the time they have been in the Senate. If we factor President Obama's time in the Senate, he released 12 years information, not just 8 years.

MisterWonderful, Mark L-464288, etc. -- Are you really that gullible? If Romney isn't willing to be open with the American people, why should they want him in the White House? He can't pass GO until he does this most basic and traditional act of transparency.

It's not going to go away, and I for one will continue to be outraged if/until Romney comes clean. His track record regarding his taxes and that this is the only thing he has convictions about should have YOU concerned too.

It just occurred to me to ask how many of our teabaggy friends have actually donated money out of their own pockets for the election of their favorite loser, Etch-A-Sketch? Are they depending on the bottomless pockets of the Koch Bros. to do the job or have they actually put their money where their big mouths are? Answer honestly, boys and girls. Lying only makes your untenable position that much more pitiful. It doesn't matter, really, because your asinine remarks and insane political philosophy has caused me to conclude you are cheap and selfish as well as bitter and hard-hearted.

As for me, I have kicked in to the Obama campaign. When he strides to the podium to acknowledge his reelection, I want to know my vote as well as my hard-earned cash helped him on his way to victory.

President Obama by default in November! America is having an election and the GOP has decided not to show up!

All you CONS posting on here did you guys hear that Romney wants a truce and that Business record and Taxes should be off limits???

jajajajajajajaja!!!! He ran in the Primaries with hes business record but now he wants Obama to stop using it against him???

I have heard many of you baggers on here call our president a coward because of this and that... But this takes the whole cake.......

The White House needs to change their policy tune. Regulating jobs out of the country isn't cutting it. For the most part let's agree the other side of the pond has become more attractive than here to do many jobs.

Clinton delivered a U6 unemployment rate of 7.3% to Bush. Despite 911, Bush held U6 to 8.4% until midterm elections 2006. With a Democratic majority U6 fell apart over the last 2 years of Bush II, steadily increasing to 16.9% under Obama in November 2010 when Republicans regained the House in a landside. Since the 2010 midterms the U6 incline has leveled out and recently subsided to 15% due to Republican restraints, a good thing.

mguy-478

I am against all super pacs... ALL OF THEM.

But naturally, the hypocrite Republicans support their super pacs while complaining when the other team does the same thing.

Liber-tards forgot very soon that Obama was the first to flip-flop about an agreement with McCain about to receive public founds, opening the door to big donors and unlimited campaign spending.

June 2008 Hussein Obama II, rejected public funding for the fall presidential campaign yesterday, a dramatic blow to 1970s good-government reform that has been overwhelmed by an explosion of private money.

John McCain confirmed later yesterday that he will take $84.1 million in taxpayer funding for the general election, and accused Obama of reneging on a pledge to do the same. "He has completely reversed himself ( FLIP-FLOP) and gone back, not on his word to me, but the commitment he made to the American people," McCain told reporters.

Obama's decision to become the first major-party candidate to opt out of public financing for the general election frees him to continue his record-shattering, Internet-driven fund-raising until November - and probably to outspend McCain by a vast amount. But it opens the Democrat to accusations of an about-face on past statements that he would take the public grant and limit spending to that amount if the Republican nominee agreed to do likewise.

redvirginia

Liber-tards forgot very soon that Obama was the first to flip-flop about an agreement with McCain about to receive public founds, opening the door to big donors and unlimited campaign spending.

June 2008 Hussein Obama II, rejected public funding for the fall presidential campaign yesterday, a dramatic blow to 1970s good-government reform that has been overwhelmed by an explosion of private money.

John McCain confirmed later yesterday that he will take $84.1 million in taxpayer funding for the general election, and accused Obama of reneging on a pledge to do the same. "He has completely reversed himself ( FLIP-FLOP) and gone back, not on his word to me, but the commitment he made to the American people," McCain told reporters.

Obama's decision to become the first major-party candidate to opt out of public financing for the general election frees him to continue his record-shattering, Internet-driven fund-raising until November - and probably to outspend McCain by a vast amount. But it opens the Democrat to accusations of an about-face on past statements that he would take the public grant and limit spending to that amount if the Republican nominee agreed to do likewise.

Can you post a link to this? I want to get all the facts.

Anyways this sounds exactly to what happened today with Romney.

In 2008 McCain wants Obama to agree to spending only a certain amount because he knew he was going to get outspent by a factor of 10 and takes hes offer to the American people like a scared coward.

Now today we find out that Romney wants he business record and taxes of the campaign because he knows it will only destroy him more before the election. And after our President doesn't agree he will go crying to the American people and tell them that the president didn't take hes offer????

Im beginning to see a pattern here.

True

It's not going to go away, and I for one will continue to be outraged if/until Romney comes clean. His track record regarding his taxes and that this is the only thing he has convictions about should have YOU concerned too.

As far it concerns to me you can keep on braying everything what you want. Romney is not in fault and the accusations of Dirty Harry are false until he present the evidence supporting his accusations. Liber-tards want to change the juridical system, declaring the accused guilty without presenting evidences for its accusation.

Well, well, well, now we have good ole "Flip-Flop" Carney. All the Oblameo White House seems to be able to do is flip-flop on issues and walk back their comments.

THIS is an issue! All you Democrats have suddenly developed Taxheimers--short-term memory loss that allows only one thought at a time to occupy your tiny brains--and can't remember anything except that one thought. Please explain how the messiah and his merry henchmen have to walk back a major statement about appropriate campaign techniques.

Waiting.......

redvirginia As far it concerns to me you can keep on braying everything what you want. Romney is not in fault and the accusations of Dirty Harry are false until he present the evidence supporting his accusations. Liber-tards want to change the juridical system, declaring the accused guilty without presenting evidences for its accusation.

Lets say Reid does reveal hes source and hes source tells us that he knows personally that Romney did not pay hes taxes for ten years will he then show them to us???

Bob in KC-545426

Well, well, well, now we have good ole "Flip-Flop" Carney. All the Oblameo White House seems to be able to do is flip-flop on issues and walk back their comments.

THIS is an issue! All you Democrats have suddenly developed Taxheimers--short-term memory loss that allows only one thought at a time to occupy your tiny brains--and can't remember anything except that one thought. Please explain how the messiah and his merry henchmen have to walk back a major statement about appropriate campaign techniques.

Waiting.......

Wait according to Citizens United law Obama cant coordinate with the SuperPacs. Now baggers are saying that he can and he did???

It seems to me that all the Democrats did was expose Citizens United for what it is a big joke.

SCOTUS has failed us as a nation.

Swiftboat on steroids.... get used to it people, and learn how to do your own research.

I needed a break so I pulled over to this bar to take a leak and relax with a quick beer. It was fairly crowded. I ordered a Blue Moon at $5.00, I had my newspaper and started to read and sip my beer. The bar was a horseshoe shape and I could see a women across from me with sipping from a martini glass, she had an empty one in front of her. Indifferent, I read my paper.

Next, I know she is on the stool next to me and asks me if I'm a Cancer, I said "no" and went back to my paper. She ordered another martini and then asked why is your eye patched (I wear a patch over my left eye). Thinking I could blow her off, I gave her the ridiculous answer that I lost my eye fighting pirates in Somalia and went back to reading my paper and sipping my beer.

She caught the bar tender, who was admittedly scarce, and asked for a back up. Then she said, you know we are sending an aircraft carrier over there to wipe them out. I ignored her and continued with my paper. Yea, she added "Obama's sending one". I replied that I thought it was going to the Strait of Hormuz. Oh, she said "we need one there too". Now I am getting really tired but don't want to abandon my $5.00 beer. I curtly replied that we maintain two carriers at the Strait of Hormuz and none off of Somalia which is in Africa.

I thought we were done, I went back to my paper and my beer, only in 5 or 10 seconds to get a blast "So, you are one of those f**king conservatives". All I wanted to do was read the paper and sip my beer but the crowded bar didn't give me any safe place to hide. I ignored her. She came again with: "You're nothing but an idiot, and you should pull your fly up" (it wasn't down).

I replied "Are you denying that Somalia is in Africa?" and got "Do you think Kansas is in France - get off of the toilet".

I then heard a beep. She pulled a laptop from the floor next to her and said "I got to handle this". Thank God!! "They just called, hot story coming in, can't talk". Thank God. "Got number one again" and she proceeded to hit keys. "Got to get my votes in".

I left, half of my Blue Moon still in the glass. As I did she was ordering another martini.

I guess the right has forgotten Romney's own words about his superpacs: "My goodness! I couldn't tell them what to do, I'd go to the Big House."

Tit for tat.

Super Pacs are just fine when they claim a republican killed some guy's wife, but they're not so fine when they discuss policy. Is that what you mean Mr Obama?

Are you talking about the ad where they guy's wife died of cancer?

The ad that isn't playing on ANY station, anywhere, in the country? The only people who are playing it are the Republicans, who discuss it in the context of "How terrible it would be if only everyone had healthcare."

"In 1981... he traveled to Pakistan -- a trip that enhanced his foreign policy qualifications, he maintained in a private speech at a San Francisco fundraiser last month. Obama spent 'about three weeks' in Pakistan..."

Wow, this would sure give me all I'd need to be versed in FOREIGN POLICY

Was this part of a Choom Gang trip?

notliborcon

"Obama is running on his record" - if he ran on his record, he'd lose his job.

"SuperPACs and campaigns CANNOT coordinate... The request by Mittens was a blatant attempt to say "Ha, look Obama is coordinating with his superPAC."

Really? Why don't you listen to the taped conversation between the man in the video and an Obama aide. And take a look back at some of Obama's early commercials that HE endorsed and you'll see the same man. They not only knew the man's background, they knew how irrational he was and yet he has, for all intents and purposes, endorsed the man's irrational accusation. If he didn't agree, he would have gone on record denouncing it.

One of the reasons I support Romney is that he has class and he doesn't stoop to Obama's level. That speaks volumes about his character.

Please explain the difference.

You know something Betty if all these Yahoo's were as smart as they think they are they would be decrying how the Super Pac's were used to get them a candidate as pitiful as Ol' Willard instead of who or what they really wanted.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

I love it when you use Bull Sh!t phrases like "false equivalency".

Just shows how much you DON'T know and how BIASED you and your little band of libs are.

Truer words were never spoken my Dear

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

You just can't fix stupid! ;o) - My point EXACTLY!!! When will you all learn that??

Nice to Jay sweating it out on the podium.

You prove that on a daily basis.

A lie

is a

lie

is a

lie

(D) or (R) or (I)...

no excuses...just don't do it.

Feisty - check your e-mail!

Well Betty you seem to have brought out the best the Yahoo's have to offer this afternoon. Don't you'll boys ever get tired of showing your ignorance or was that just the way you were born and had a relapse to your childhood.

Feisty - you DO attract the Republican mental midgets, don't you? I think they are in such awe they just have to follow after you!

If you had pigtails, they'd be pulling them!!! :-)

Well Betty you seem to have brought out the best the Yahoo's have to offer this afternoon

Floyd & Seeking,

They're like moths to a flame! lol They just cannot resist!

At least I keep them busy focusing on me instead of peddling their propaganda! ;o)

Yeh looks like we've got a couple of the "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance baffle them with Bullsh!t (or Bluster)" Yahoo school of thought this afternoon. You'll boys really kiss your mama's with those mouths?

Mr. Skippy - we're talking Feisty here - not you I think it is more like flies to sh1t.......

Feisty - you need some of those bug zappers!

you need some of those bug zappers!

A good old fashion fly swatter works wonder! ;o)

so how do you hide your horns???

Middlin' is that you old son. See your still out picking on Girls. What's the matter big guy you and the teams get your a$$es waxed somewhere and now your going to take it out on the rest of us by showing your a$$.

"This is an ad by an entity that's not controlled by campaign. I certainly don't know the specifics of this man's case," campaign adviser Robert Gibbs said on MSNBC"

More lies from Obama camps

Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter appeared on CNN Wednesday morning to say, among other things, that "I don't know the facts" about the case of Joe Soptic, a steelworker who appeared in a controversial ad for the pro-Obama super-PAC Priorities USA. In the ad, Soptic, recounts how his wife died of cancer after he lost his health insurance when his plant was shuttered after a takeover by Bain Capital and other companies working with the private equity firm.

Cutter said she didn't know when Soptic's wife fell ill, or about his health insurance.

Yet in May of this year, Cutter herself hosted a conference call in which Soptic detailed his case to reporters. During the call, as he did in the ad, Soptic explained how his wife fell ill after he lost his job, and how he lost his health insurance. The call took place as Soptic began appearing in Obama campaign ads, and was featured in a profile on the Obama campaign website.

Best post of the day at #2.22.... Stephanie Cutter, Deputy Campaign Manager for Obama is caught on tape with a BIG WHOPPER of a lie !

Pretty bad when her own words PROVE she is a liar .... and she is Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager ....... Surprise ! Surprise !! Surprise !!!

Golllleee ! Where is Gomer Pyle when you really need him ?

Jean - no she knows because she was told YOU can't be fixed - ever!

In the 2008 Presidential Election the Republicans had their Joe the Plumber

In the 2012 Presidential Election the Democrats have their own Joe the Septic Tank

Why do I get the feeling something smells crappy here?

Feisty,

For once I have to agree with you, calling somebody a murderer is not the same as talking about the same as a change to the welfare system.

All politicians are hypocrites. That includes our current president. The end always seems to justify the means. I don't expect anything from anyone who runs for president, except a bit of decency and honesty. Obama's "Hope and Change" mantra back in 2008 rings really hollow right now.

Saying Stephanie Cutter SHOULD have known something, doesn't prove anything. Is that the sound of desperation we are hearing from the old Bushbots?

Flip-Flop Jay! Go, baby, go! How many feet can fit in that wide mouth of Oblameo's? I hope those feet really stink!

I would believe Jay Carney if this was the only lie that came out of the Obama camp. But the fact is that Obama's campaign is full of outright lies. I think he takes his cue from Clinton who addressed the American People as President of the United States saying "I never had sex with that woman". Personally I don't care if Clinton did or did not. It just grossly repulsed that a President would come before the American people and outright lie. He, like Obama, did not have to lie, all he had to do was keep his mouth shut. I will not support a liar for the position of President. In 2008 Obama promised
transparency. That was the first lie in the spectrum.

People RESPECT you more when you tell the truth.

Waiting to see if the MIS-INFORMATION ad sticks is hypocritical.

Jay Carney...you goofed.

What misinformation?

Deflect! Deflect!

I wouldn't be surprised if this was done on purpose to show what a complete joke SuperPacs really are.

Our president is going to try and make all Americans see that the campaign does not have control over what a superpac does. And that Citizens united is a bad thing for our country.

He has been against citizens united since the day it became a law. Remember Alito in the state of the union address? "thats not true"

Off course this ad wasn't created by Obama and since he cant coordinate with a a superPac why are people blaming him?

It defies everything the law stands for??? The law states that candidates cant coordinate with a super pac but here you guys are blaming the President?

The joke in America are the ruthless, arrogant and useless republicans who created terrible problems and have no solutions. But they have lots of name calling and attacks when President Obama got in there and fixed things. He saves the American car industry with republicans yelling against it. He was successful with the Recovery Act that created three million jobs. He was successful with the Affordable Care Act that will improve health care and make it accessible to so many more Americans. President Obama was serious about getting Osama bin Laden and when the Navy Seals went it was on the President's order. We have a leader we can trust and who does the best he can in the government with the hateful republicans he has to deal with. So all the GOP stooges can do is vote against the Affordable Care Act over 33 times like the stooges they are. More health care insurance for more people in the country is good news and people lucky enough to have Democratic governors are getting the Exchanges set up so that the uninsured can pick insurance to meet their needs. America really needs intelligent and decent people in the government. We don't need stooges that bay at the moon to please simple minded Faux watching lame brains or the evil spouted by the Faux pucks constantly.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Just admit the lie by the Obama team and move on. Why can't you do that??

Hey Betty it's about time for you to abandon this thread. Nothing but pain for you here.

REB - and you'll admit that most of the GOP ads are all lies, right? We're waiting......

Guess how you can tell when Cutter or Carney are lying? Their lips are moving!!! HA! What a bunch of airbags!

It seems the partisans on the right, recognize their own game and appear to be a tad upset that the Dems are playing hardball.

We all remember how the right and their Pacs vilified John Kerry in 2004 also Max Cleland, both decorated war veterans who were so disrespected by the GOP it was disgusting.

For those campaigns and all the others that the Dems endured the Republican Party's dirty tricks I'm glad to see someone in our party has the gumption to stand up and punch back.

Whine away GOP, what kind of cheese would you prefer, we have a nice goat cheese you might like.

SeekingSanity

No - why should I when they aren't?

REB - yeah - go on spouting THAT lie! We all know better!

SeekingSanity

That all you got??

As I told Betty, this is a losing thread for you guys. Just shut up and take the crap you so richly deserve. You will live to fight another day!!

They never admit when they are wrong.... but will flail away like 2 year old twins in a bathtub ! Funny, mine were much cuter with the soap bubbles in their hair! LOL !!

jim-1455434

Right you are Jim.

They just don't know when to shut up and take their lumps. Keeping it going just proves what dopes they are. You can't defend the indefensible.

REB - yep and you and jim always back the indefensible GOP! Go figure!

SeekingSanity

You really can't be that petty to want to continue. If this were a prize fight they would have stopped it about 20 posts ago.

I will let you have the last word after this however since I am sure you want it and I really don't care to continue beating the stuffing out of you. It is no fun and now you are boring me with your stupidity.

They just don't know when to shut up and take their lumps.

WTF are you talking about?

Get back to us when your feet land back on the ground!

No one is taking any "lumps" around here... except you & the rest of your ilk who wallow in the cess-pool!

PS: Why are you so obsessed with us leaving? Like I told you, I'll be the one to decide when I'm finished handing you your ass!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

I'm really shaking as if you every could. Keep dreaming. You have nothing going for you but name calling and Bull Sh!t.

I'm really shaking as if you every could.

Shame you morons like YOU never know when to quit! lol

Although, if nothing else you sure are good for some *giggles*!

Thank You!

Can we not at least agree that double standards exist in both parties? The Republicans certainly don't have a monopoly on this issue.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

You say "Morons like me??" "Thank You"? For What?? Calling you out as the leader of a pack of bullies and Bull Sh!t artists that you, Bev and the rest of the Libs R Us gang are?? If that is the case then you cupcake are very welcome.

You never offer anything to support anything you say and all you do is try to divide this board on every thread just like your hero Obama tries to divide the country every day with his "executive orders" to subvert the oversight and legislative responsibility of Congress. First on immigration and next on welfare reform. God knows what his next usurpment of power will be.

Both of you are not worth the time I am taking to call you out but somebody has to do it so it might as well be me.

Go leave your pile of crap on somebody else's doorstep.

NO MORE FOR 44!!!!!

Reb, use ignore author for those clowns. They are narrow-minded with no intention of discussing anything rationally, and you won't waste your time reading their frothing at the mouth rants. Trust me, you'll be much happier.

Actually there is no difference, either both candidates have the means and responsbility to pull them or neither do.

The difference is that in May Jay Carney called on the Romney campaign to denounce the Rickets plan for a commercial featuring Rev Wright. Now, when called upon to do the same on a 3rd party ad he refuses. It's not that he has the power to pull the ad it's the fact that he won't accept that it crossed a line, and by refusing is condoning the ad.

Stephanie Cutter has been caught red-handed in a big lie that ties her to smear campaign tactics. Spin it all you want ..... she works for Obama !

Saying she should have known something is not lying. She had no control on the content of the SuperPac ads.

There's stupid and then there's retarded. The Oblameo just crossed the line with this one. The constant thread from Oblameo and all his merry henchmen, including the trolls who post their impassioned defenses of the messiah and rabid attacks against anyone trying to reason with them, is that OBLAMEO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER HIMSELF OR ANYONE AROUND HIM. Oblameo has now had stuck his foot deeply into his mouth by two of his most public henchmen and the only way Flip-Flop Carney can figure out to remove the foot is to......wait for it!......FLIP-FLOP!!!!!

I wonder how much money were going to lose when all the rich fat cats move out of the country?

With all their tax breaks and off shore accounts we won't be losing much. They take all of their tax breaks and move it overseas. How is that helping our country?

Your numbers are wrong and have already been refuted by numerous fact check organizations and think tanks on both sides.

Whoever you are DAL, you need to lay off the crack pipe or bath salts or something. Talk about delusional!

Seattle........................and you have a very obnoxious name. Prove your own figures, post a link.

He has not posted any figures to prove Nitey ! Take your meds and go back to sleep.

NiteOwlett - you're absolutely right. Seattle has done nothing but say the figures are wrong - hardly proof by anyone's standards! Oh wait - Republicans have NO standards so they'll go with Seattle!

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Nice distortion SeekingSanity, you are becoming quite a pro at that ! The NiteOwl made a foolish post and you jump in there to rescue her .... desperately trying to change the meaning of her post in the process.

Again, Seattle Libtard posted NO NUMBERS in post #6.3, so NiteOwl's request for him to prove those numbers (that he did not post) only reveals an inadequate and ridiculous reply. I would expect you to support inadequacy ,,, it is all the Democratic Party has under Obama's failed leadership the past 3.6 years.

The truth of this whole blog is that if the T/Publicans get into the congress and white house, us 99% will lose.

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....an assumption was made that if these figures are wrong, WHAT ARE THE CORRECT ONE'S????!!!!

And this whole line relates to Flip-Flop Jay how? You Dems are getting really pathetic tonight. One of your boys screwed up bigtime and all you can do is whine, cry, deflect, and wiggle. Admit it! Jane screwed up bigtime!!!!!

What troubles me about that Tax Policy Center Report is they sure do a lot of ASSUMING.

Modeling Assumptions
We make the following assumptions:
 Any reductions in revenue due to the lower corporate rate would be offset by reducing
corporate tax preferences. As a result, we examine only changes to the individual income tax,
alternative minimum tax, payroll tax, and estate tax. We ignore the effect of the proposal to
reduce the corporate rate to 25 percent.
 The plan would not reduce tax expenditures that aim to promote saving and investment. That
is consistent with Governor Romney’s plan (and statements made by proponents of similar
plans).
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These provisions include preferential rates on capital gains and dividends; exemptionof income accrued in qualified retirement and other tax-favored accounts (e.g., traditional
and Roth IRAs and 401(k)s and education and health saving accounts); exemption of interest
on state and local bonds; the exclusion of capital gains on home sales; the step-up in basis of assets bequeathed to heirs; and the Saver’s Credit. We exclude these provisions because most plans that have proposed large reductions in individual rates have also proposed to retain or
even expand tax incentives for saving and investment.

 The tax expenditure for imputed rent on owner-occupied homes and certain smaller hard-to-eliminate exclusions from income cannot or will not be eliminated. This group includes provisions that many would not identify as tax breaks, that have rarely or never been identified by policymakers as “on the table”, or that would be difficult to administer in practice.
The largest of these provisions are the tax exclusion for “imputed rent,” (the value of the housing services that homeowners obtain from living in their own homes) and the exemption from tax on the increase in the value of life insurance policies as people age. Smaller provisions include the exclusion from taxable income of combat pay, veterans’
benefits, and benefits for low-income families; previous reform proposals have excluded
most of these smaller items. Moreover, because they are small, and because many primarily benefit lower- and middle-income households, including them would not meaningfully affect the results.

And the list of ASSUMPTIONS continues on and on.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001628-Base-Broadening-Tax-Reform.pdf

Dotties girl - you're clearly talking about Romney's ads. True Karl Rove style politics - all lies and distortions. It's all Karl knows. And, when you have a nothing candidate like Romney - it's all you've got to work with!

Oh, and you are the stupid base - for the GOP!

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We don't think everyone is stupid. We think the GOP is stupid.

mark - we KNOW the GOP and its followers are stupid!

I wonder what Flip-Flop Jay would think of you people? Is name-calling really the only thing you have to use to defend him and his incompetent boss?

Yes that is about right. Except the GOP will start with Ann Coulter spewing fire while her heads rotates around a few times on the Hannity Show. She is so enraged that anyone would bring up how good the health care Romney created for Massachusetts is doing. That was so terrible because the GOP of Rush, Ann and Eric are all against improved health care for anyone. They like having people being excluded for pre-existing conditions and they sure don't care about babies and young mothers. No it is right wing dogma to the end whether it is terrible, horrible and unAmerican that they don't care about other Americans having better access to health care insurance.

The Republicans are telling you the truth about the economy. It sucks. Obama has done nothing and will do nothing. His only solution is to spend tax dollars to hire more UNION workers so they can buy things.

D Bennett - well - if you say so -NOT. The GOP couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it. The GOP sucks and doesn't give a damn about the US - just winning offices. Can we say Charlie Sheen???? He is the poster child for the GOP!

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Your a big dumb A

rukidding - oh my! I'm supposed to be offended by you I guess? No, see I like my men smart and you don't fit the bill. When it comes to dopes like you - you're not offensive - just stupid and eager to show it!

D Bennet shows how little you know . about any history. Creating jobs is how we've gotten out of rescessions for 60+ years. Giving the super rich tax breaks does not help. That's what we've been doing for 12 yrs and has done nothing because they don't hire people they don't need! the money gets stached away in foreign accounts where it only does the holder any good.

rukidding7, No need in trying to get in a pissing war with SpeekingInsanity ...... you will never win ! She is full of it !

Too bad about Stephanie Cutter making a TOTAL LIAR out of herself over this latest $hitbomb from the Democrats ! Too bad that bomb blew up ....... and now Ms. Cutter has $hit all over herself ! She works for Obama.... any surprise ?

jim - and you clearly know full of it since it is your middle name!

And, as usual - more sh*t from you!

Is that the best 'ya got there libbie ? Have you got the Obama cheerleader outfit on with the pom poms ??

jim - yep, I do!

And Democrats tell the truth? Where is all the trasnsparency Owebama promised? And Mitt never killed anyone. And stop detracting from the failed economy.

1nottru: empathy to a liberal is like giving alcohol to a drunk, a conservative would use tough love to help him/her quit drinking. There are over 100,000,000 Americans on welfare costing $900 Billion in 2010 (Wikipedia). Our National debt is closing on our GDP and you want empathy to solve these problems?

Tough love......STOP EATING.

Republicans are complaining about Obama's Campaign lying blatantly and nobody calling them out. Claiming not to know who this guy is after having him in their own commercial is astounding. The Dems think Americans are ignorant, and that if they keep lying nobody will care.

I think I have to disagree with the White House here. It's not "coordinating" to speak out against a SuperPAC ad after it's been produced. There is enough wrong with the facts, that the White House can condemn it.

Having said that, it's disingenuous for Romney to feign outrage, when the Romney campaign itself is literally lying in ads right now. I don't see them pulling their own welfare without work lies or Obama taking away vets voting rights lies.

It should be pointed out that this ad has not even been released on any television station. It's only been on the internet, and reported by TV news.

Perhaps. But the campaigns know full well what is being aired and can disavow at any time.

They are not 3rd part ads, they're Democratic party ads, or a better name might be Sleazebagsmearcamp.com.

imnotlost - you've clearly confused them with the GOP ads the:

Doesn'tgetanysleazierthanRomney.com ads!

Hey Sanity, Haven't you heard? I put on another post today, guess you didn't see it, Scumbama camp was forced to admit (except Carney) that they actually knew about that (big lie) Bain Capital ad about the man's wife dying, in fact they approved it going on the air. How's that for sleaze?

imnotlost- They did NOT approve the ad and you're lying as usual. Obama's campaign DOES NOT approve PAC ads. Get a life and a clue!

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Stephanie Cutter knew it was a lie and then she LIED about knowledge of such. She works for Obama.

Well Sanity, I'm not going to do your home work for you. You are probably better at researching on the net than I am, so go for it. Like Jim at #19.5 said, Cutter has admitted that she knew it and did nothing to stop it being released which is the same as approving. I'm going to give you a couple websites to look at to show how dirty your Scumbama pals are and how CNN (Oh no! Not CNN) has come out debunking the creeps.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/robert-gibbs-answer-when-confronted-on-romney-killed-my-wife-ad-we-just-dont-know-the-specifics/

http://www.city-data.com/forum/elections/1660149-cnn-obamas-romney-killed-my-wife-2.html

Read it thoroughly, and enjoy.

girls do love... girls. ;)

imnotlost - oh poor boy. You have Newsvine sex? I guess it's all you can get.

Pretty sure both Feisty and I can do MUCH better!

Are they girls? They are definately no ladies!

"Pretty sure both Feisty and I can do MUCH better!"

Hey, let's leave animals out of it!

I see the mental midgets are at it again - Mike & Mr. Skippy. You both know so much about playing with animals, I guess that's all that will have you. No surprise there! Pitiable little boys who can't get a girl to even look at them!

write to wh

Hey Seeking... I don't normally comment on drivel like this, but the guys are right on this one. I've been reading down to this point and it is getting pretty sad. Try sticking to content. And I'm no spelling bee champ, but don't claim to be smarter or better than anyone on here either, so I have this question for you... What in the hell is "Pitiable"? You've used the word twice now, and I thought the first time it may have been a typo, but twice is making wonder if it is really a word? I've been around girls like you and feisty before, for about a minute... then walked out the door laughing and shaking my head, in pure amazement at how someone so clueless could think they know so damn much.

Dougieb43 - use your dictionary. Pitiable - deserving or arousing pity; contemptibly poor or small. Got it now?

I probably wouldn't be using the word clueless if I were you - couldn't find pitiable in the dictionary huh?

Can you spell C L U E L E S S????

Oh, and trust me - the girls were glad you walked out!

It is pitiable to think there are so many people blinded by the rightwing. They shoot themselves in the foot and smile.

meltdownNation - you clearly don't know anything about intelligence - and it shows!

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Looks like President Obama will be reelected. We see that even the most hateful ways the GOP is working to suppress the Democratic vote and every rotten tactic they come up with shows they won't win. But they are sure trying to cheat.

lolllll

Someone at NBC just had their last day today.

sebrad - hopefully it will force the Supreme Court to reverse their Citizens United decision. They had to know what they were unleashing with that ruling. What a joke!

It was a pitiable decision.

Racism from any source is disgusting and vile.

GODGRAVITON - how sad for you that you might have thought any of those things in 2008. You are clearly one of the few.

The sane ones of us saw a man who loves this country and would work to bring it back to the great country it was before Bush! And, he is working to do just that.

We DID not see a GOP party that would say "to hell with the country" - anything to make President Obama a one-term President. We did not see the treason of the far right. We are now realizing that it exists and we will fight to keep it from taking over.

Your assessment of President Obama is so far from the truth it is sickening. And, you definitely are white! My guess is a skinhead!

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Racism like Louie Farrakhan, Rev Wright, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson?

To my critics:

I do not love Bush or Republicans either, if that is comfort.

I live in Chicago for decades. I have seen this dude. I have never seen him make a common cause of North side of Chicago or white people or other races.

He was not a great Senator in Illinois.

I am minority too. Any one who looks at me and make a statement against my take on issue, I never considered them racist. It is just an issue they differ.

If in this country we cannot criticise someone in power without invoking racism or sexism or homophobia then we have loss the Essenes of democracy, the ability to discourse on merit of issues and holding responsible who do not perform the job once elected that they promised.

I believe we should always be on tail of elected Representatives so that they know we are vigilant. I am sorry you feel about me what you feel. My record among blacks, hundreds of them, is in good standing. They know my take over decades and we know each other well.

Is Sec Rice is to criticise Obama will she be racist or if she is to criticise Romney will she be racist?

GODGRAVITON - I also live in Chicago and disagree with you on your assessment of President Obama now and as a Senator. You don't seem to have an accurate assessment of him at all.

Sec Rice should not open her mouth with the fiasco she made of her job. She was nothing more than a "yes" person to everything Bush and Cheney did - legal or not. She knew we were at risk of being attacked by our own planes (admitted it) and did nothing about it to "avoid panic." How'd that work out?

She knew the mental tubing in Iraq could never deliver WMD's but lied about it. She is no one to talk about ANYONE! She's not racist - just evil.

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GODGRAVITON- You must remember, you are comenting to a liberal... the "most understanding" kind of people in the WORLD. Your personal experience (which I enjoyed reading by the way) is not what they want to hear. They will call you names!

Seeking- Again, please. Condi Rice (class act, and one you should be proud of by the way... being black AND a woman) versus Hillary Clinton representin' with a "classy" bump-n-grind white girl dance (after the drinking pics in Columbia mind you). No contest. Not even from the same planet when it comes to someone I want as Sec. of State.

Sanity:

So you are not racist on Rice.

Why did not you list Onbama's accomplishment or his primary races against decent congressman and decent woman?

OK, What are Mr.Obama accomplishment in Illinois. He list campaign reform on which he shook hands with Senator McCain in Senate to to take federal financing and then switch once money start pouring in. He touts his community organizing in which he just gave a name as a UOFC Prof and Harvard alumni. Nothing. He never mentions it. In the Senate, how Mr Obama Vote, Madam sec. "Obama passes" Other senator wait and wait and obama cannot decide.

But I will be happy if you list his accomplishment in Chicago or In Illinois or in US Senate. He was chairman of one committee in US Sen. He never held a single meeting. He has zero record of holding a session and acting chairman on any business.

I never seen him North Side nor he has espouse any legal or community organizing substantive theory to solve problem. Murders goes on, Drug goes on, Blacks are thrown in prisons while Obama is AWOL.

No one can indicate any achievement that mean helluva beans. I published major articles on black America during those times and got overwhelming response from black people. Like that Flat Earth authors says achievements in White House has been sub par, that do not move ball fair distance.

Thank you for not being racist

GODGRAVITON - You ARE aware President Obama is not going to show up on the northside or anywhere else in Chicago regularly, right? He's the President - so specific cities are not going to get his attention. That is why we have a Mayor and a Governor. Each has their own job to do.

You truly are missing how things work. Please get a clue. Obviously you're not from the US and have recently moved here. That's clear.

And, you need to do some homework on what has been accomplished and how much farther we have to go. You should also know that the GOP has obstructed this President from day one. But that doesn't fit in with your goals so you don't need to acknowledge the true facts.

And, as a white woman who is a strong supporter of President Obama I am far from racist.

....are you purple, Godgraviton ?