You mean, back when American was a superpower, the economy was booming, and the GDP was rising? Those 1950s? If only we could be back in the 1950s...

Ben, I may be a LOT of things but I am NOT a liar. He wants to get rid of the credits that are VITAL to the people that are employed and working in the industry. What credits does Mitt plan on giving to people? I'm pretty sure they're all for his Wall Street buddies and not for the farmers of this great country. Notice Congress failed to pass the Farm Bill as well. What is it with the Republican party hating on those that actually work in this country?

And kalesi ... you should change your name. You're nothing like her. If you want the 50's, move to Cuba.

Layton ben is the liar here not you!

Let's go back to 1950's tax rates eh?

Romney wants to raise the taxes on these small businesses.

Where's Grover Norquist when you need him.

Layton---Romney has been running for President since 2006 and needs to be educated on energy issues? Really? I thought we were supposed to vote for him because of his competence but he is always "developing" positions on issues.

So the President is in favor of tax subsidies that prop up ineficient operations and are enjoyed by the rich.

BTW: kind of tells you what kind of idiot Romney really is. He doesn't even wait until he has the official nomination before he starts ticking off the various constituent groups in the GOP. He's already gone to Detroit and said that the auto industry should have been bankrupted. What next, does he go to Wisconsin and insult the dairy farmers, go to FL and insult the elderly, go to Vegas and insult the gambling industry, maybe he'll end up in NY city and say all investment bankers are crooks.... all before he gets the nomination.

At the rate he's going, the convention may just boo him out of existence.

Wind is a fine SUPPLEMENTAL power source but just like solar energy the key to making it a feasible PRIMARY power source is the development of better energy storage technology, something that has yet to happen.

Of course, once charges like "bird murder" start flying about, it means that not all of the opposition to this promising SUPPLEMENTAL power source comes from the right !!

Actually this was kind of ironic when the Kennedy's didn't want the wind farms off of Hyannisport to spoil their views.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/big_blow_to_kennedys_B4RA0MwA8wSvT3ng3jSI8K

Where will the money and credits best be spent is what has to be decided to make a sound energy policy for this country. Wind and solar ain't it. Besides after Obama's solar bankruptcies, I wouldn't trust him.

You poor conservative shortsighted fools and your addiction to gasoline....and the 1950s

Ben, America has at her disposal, approximately 2-3% of the worlds oil that can be extracted (even with the arctic refuges) . America uses 22% of the Worlds oil, DO THE MATH. Oil is a short term resource because the SUPPLY IS DWINDLING.

If we had it your way and ignored green energy resources, then you are cutting American trade. infgrasatructure and growth off at the knees.

I think its ignorant how you take one solar company's failure and extrapolate it to the entire Solar Enegfy alternative. You do realize that your ilk was saying to dumnp nuclear energy because it was costing the government too much and it wasnt working. Luckily, they ignored igmoramuses like you and 3 decades later, Nuclear Power finally produced more energy that it took to produce it. ALternatives are in essence innovations, they trake time to develop.

If you think that wind and soloar and biofuels are going away, check with the next generation.. THey get the concept of all of the above for energy and they are also smart enough to know that oil has a limited life as an energy source. Just like the dinosaurs they came from.....

The kids are alright

So the President is in favor of tax subsidies that prop up ineficient operations and are enjoyed by the rich.

You mean like the Oil subsidy that you tighty righties want preserved while the oil compamies bring in 40 Billion a fiscal quarter?....phhhht...FAIL

crickets?

Barlow,

Nicely done. If President Obama remains in office we will have another four, do nothing years. The only changes will be done through executive order, and that's never good.

So sad.

Yup, Pat Buchanan speaks for most of America. He is a true patriot!

What we should do is to associate negativity to everything that's ever been done with government in the United States. If we can point out that any successful program such as Social Security, or Medicare should be killed off and that money used by private corporations to enhance their bottom line and in the end, conveniently allow the elderly, disabled, and indigent to die a quick death, rather than prolong their lives, that would be the ideal Republican approach.

If we can convince people who earn less than $250,000/year that they can one day become rich "like us" then we can get them to vote for elected officials who actually will make legislation to stop all freeloading, and ultimately end up with no Social Security, Mediacre, Medicaid, or SNAP programs, then the United states would be a FAR better place. That would be the ideal Republican approach.

We hate Europeans anyway, so what we should do is make our country so much differnet than them socialists. I hear you have to wait in line years to get a heart transplant in one of these countries, I know it is true becasue my 10 year old daughter told me so.

Unite! Unite! Unite! Republicans take over the world! Anyone that doesn't act or look like us, should be sent to another country. Anyone who doesn't believe in free markets, guns, and hatred of gay people should be sent to another country.

Only liberals and progressives (and of course, commies) should be sent to our jails, all others should be let out immediately!

FZknew -- Good-un.

Funny you would bring up Buchanan. Reagan and Bush Sr. weren't too happy about that speech Pat Buchanan gave at the convention in 1992.

For the party to achieve both goals at once—rallying the base while attracting independents—convention organizers need to carefully vet the speeches, some Republicans said.

In 1992, conservative Pat Buchanan gave the keynote speech at the Republican convention in Houston. He described a "religious war going on in our country for the soul of America."

Invoking the culture wars, Mr. Buchanan's speech was believed to have eroded some of then-President George H.W. Bush's support among independents. Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said: "You really don't want someone up there who is antagonizing large swaths of the electorate. That's just plain dumb."

This is why Sarah Palin won't be given prime time if she is willing to accept less.

A Romney spokesman told the Des Moines Register in July that Romney would “allow the wind credit to expire,” suggesting that action would lead to a more “level playing field on which all sources of energy can compete on their merits.”

...and what a good little Koch clone he is. Compete with existing oil profiteers?

President Obama did not put together the Solyndra loan deal. This started under Bush. Pushing blame does not equate to solutions for our planet.

Speaking of an addiction to oil (to go along with his addiction to deficit spending), the President has a larger Carbon Footprint than a Greek oil tycoon (if there are any left) with his constant traveling on a campaign trail that started about TWO DAYS after his inauguration.

It will take a lot of investment to advance even fossil fuels like CNG, or to extend fossil fuels like oil by adding bio fuel from switch grass or algae. It's mind bending that Big Oil continues to receive subsidies despite record profits and yet has so little to show after all these years.

Remember how tire companies and Big Oil destroyed the rail system in California because they wanted buses that would use their products? Does anyone really trust Big Oil to move to cleaner alternatives before they have milked every cent of profit from fossil fuels? And does anyone think these greedy rat bastards and the congressional members they own gives a sh!t about climate change, or even their own children or grandchildren?

Republicans are the most ignorant, me, Me, ME people on the face of the Earth.

So oil subsidies are okay but wind energy subsidies are not? What is the difference except where one's money in invested. We are in the 21st Century now. No more buggie whips, got it?

How is it that conservation -- processes designed to use our limited resources wisely -- became the OPPOSITE of Conservative? How is it possible that doing things which allow me to have more money to spend on things of my choice while making the nation less reliant on a volatile oil market is considered by some to be radical, instead of sensible?

Could be that the Conservative Movement is largely bankrolled by oil and coal fortunes...the Koch brothers being primary among those.

Remember, Conservatism isn't about consistency of thought or principle. Conservatism is an independent series of messages designed to sell policies beneficial to the wealthy elites.

Remember, Conservatism isn't about consistency of thought or principle. Conservatism is an independent series of messages designed to sell policies beneficial to the wealthy elites.

Shout it out....John B. But will they listen?

Coal is cheap and plentiful and electric rates and unemployment have risen dramatically in the coal states thanks to Obama,s policies.

Clean coal is needed and so is our Balkan reserve which has more oil than the Saudis.

I dont know where Lane Gypsy got the innaccurate information that is being put out saying we have 2 to 3 % is false.

I am a level 3 trader and have investedinto the Balkan reserve and so I have very accurate figures on the reserve.

The oil and gas industry knows we have a limited supply but its all we have till technology comes up with a more reliable and economically feasible alternative.

The government should reconsider its stand on hydro electric power and look at Roosevelt dam in Arizona.

The dam was at one time on the 100 most dangerous list and SRP has had proposals to build a hydro electric replacement several times.

Wind and solar is not economical or stable at this time- no sun=no power generation and no wind=no power generation.

Efficiency rating of solar as increased through the years to its current 47% from its initial 15% but we need 97%.

coal is not clean burning, so quit the lies. it creats jobs yes but also ruins beautiful mountain sides as well. why do you think Mitt the Twit and the rest of the GOP want environmental protection gone. lets get rid of regulations so the big money polluters can go big time.

Wind turbines kill the birds. It is the worst sight to see, wonderful rolling hills and turbines. The company is not an American company receiving the tax loophole. Sure outsource tax breaks, way to go. Both parties stink!

He said she said they said and all said nothing taint nothing better then a rumor for Obama's sake. Hey did you hear what Aunt Bee said Oops she died forgive me.

Wind energy is a waste for time.

example compared to Nukes: The Dallas plant produces over 2500 MW of power. It takes 3,500 1.5MW turbines to equal the power output of that nuke plant. Reason you need 7,000 MW to equal 2,500 MW is the wind isn't always blowing and the turbine doesn't even produce at wind speeds below 8 mph and doesn't reach full output until 27 mph then if the wind kicks up to 45 mph the turbine cuts out. So the ratio of power avail from wind isn't constant.

Size factor:: the Dallas plant takes up 4,000 acres including a cooling lake that people use for recreational purposes.

The Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center is a large wind farm with 735.5 megawatt (MW) capacity. It consists of 291 GE 1.5 MW wind turbines and 130 Siemens 2.3 MW wind turbines spread over nearly 47,000 acres (190 km²) of land in Taylor and Nolan County, Texas. --- Wiki

less than 30% the MW and 10 times the land area.

The sun sends an avg of 1,000 watts of power that hits the ground per sq meter. 1 acre = 4,046 sq/m or 4 MW per acre.

DO the MATH Solar is the future embrace it.

Coal is cheap and plentiful and electric rates and unemployment have risen dramatically in the coal states thanks to Obama,s policies.

And where's your proof? Cheap natural gas is killing coal, not any policy dictated by the Obama administration. http://www.kentucky.com/2012/08/10/2293438/weak-coal-demand-hurts-james-river.html

Romney is not against wind energy, only subsidization.

The cost of energy needs to be compared apples to apples, a dollars worth of wind power against, say, a dollars worth of natural gas. You cannot throw in an extra three tax dollars and call wind energy equal.

The cost of the tower supporting the wind generator is prohibitive. Why not put DC wind generators and grid tie equipment on the top of the existing power transmission line towers that stretch from Wyoming to Chicago, and mainline AC current into the grid?

There's a lot of wind in the cold winter months in the midwest, and there is demand in Chicago for electric energy in the winter.

The towers are there, and being maintained, already.

John.

I call bs on your whole post.....The reason

It's Bakken not Balkan.

If you truly had the figures on the reserve's production you would have spelled the name correctly.

Another thing....don't try to pass the reserve of as normal pumpable crude.

The deposits are locked in shale and can only be removed with fracking.

How much in donations did Obama receive from Exxon again? Wait Obama isnt a Republican is he?

All Obama is saying is "don't take away the BILLIONS of taxpayer money I give away to my donors at alternative energy corporations."

Drought, wildfire, and melting ice caps are a result of mother nature.

Green house gasses from burning oil forced mother nature into menopause.

Maine's winters are milder now and our summers are rainy, but I feel bad for the rest of you.

I think Hussein has a problem and is afraid , if he doesn't keep giving oodles of taxpyer money to the failed windpower industry, then his donations from them will cease.

That's funny it's never been proven. I mean i can find just as much to prove it isn't global warming as you can prove that it is.

care to answer how much Obama got from BP or Exxon?

Did mother nature have menopause back in the 1880's when we had record high temperatures that haven't been beat until this day??? You know, back in the decades when ther were NO greenhouse gasses????????

Transfer the 4 billion a year (each and every year for a very long time) in oil subsidies to alternative energy, I think the oil companies astronomical profits, prove they are a viable healthy industry and do not need tax payers support.

How ridiculous to rail against support for alternative energy companies and technologies but defend to the death subsidies for oil companies. BTW it is not even the case that American oil is reserved for America, the oil companies sell our oil on the world market to the highest bidder. So why is the USA subsidizing the production of oil for other nations with US tax dollars, all the while our capacity for finished oil products declines. If we are going to give them 4 billion a year we could at least require them to build some more refineries in the USA.

Amy,

but Republicans don't care about drought, wildfire and melting ice caps.

You say that so easily, like its a matter of fact.

Forrest can you see the trees. you know if Obama took one cent from oil, then its kinda hard to demean oil companies dont ya think? Just like Goldman Sachs, Bill Maher? demonize rich and vulgar language but gladly accept the money from those that are demonized.

Forrest, define "astronomical." Compared to other industries. Basically, you have NO PROBLEM with 90% of energy subsidies going to alternative energy. I'm not "railing against" anything. Jus think it's ridiculous to complain about something that is getting 90% of dollars allocated.

Caesar you mean like the 9 republican states in the top ten of the welfare states that accept money from the Obama and federal government and all the while demonize, Obama, the federal government and welfare. Is that what you mean by gladly accepting money from those that are demonized. I see the trees just fine pal.

Let us not discount wind power as Obama suggests.

I own an interest in two wind turbines, and I enjoy the write-offs against my income each and every year.

Do I really care if wind provides energy or not? No, just allow me the write-offs the government provides for.

think Hussein has a problem and is afraid , if he doesn't keep giving oodles of taxpyer money to the failed windpower industry, then his donations from them will cease.

WHat about Romneyhood's sacred cow 4 Billion Oil Subsidy protecting Oil Companies with record 40 Billion Dollar profits? Hippocrite much?

Ben, the birther lies arent working. Its a dead horse. Get over it, its not convinvcing anyone except the Teabagging faithful (haters and bigots)

Your flip-flopper and wafflehouse manager Roneyhood needs SOLUTIONS. You know, actual policy ideas that are an alternative that can be scored and vetted. He HAS NONE

ROMNEY HAS NO CORE

Obama/Biden 2012

Romneyhood has NO SOLUTIONS, NO IDEAS, and NO PROPOSALS.

Show us the Tax Returns! Show us your plans?

Oscar: Did mother nature have menopause back in the 1880's

Oscar, do you understand the difference between climate and weather? Obviously not.

Amy,but Republicans don't care about drought, wildfire and melting ice caps.

You say that so easily, like its a matter of fact.

Actually it is. Treabaggers want to get rid of FEMA and then there was that 'heck of a job' thing for Katrina while the GOP president looked on at 37,000 feet. The GOP record on compassion sucks.

Oh, fielden, please explain it to me, then. Can't wait.

Forrest Grump: Well said. I, too, have been asking the question to republicans; why are we still subsidizing Big Oil?? They have billion dollar profits, not using the subsidies for R&D, yet steal millions of tax payer dollars for what???? Republicans are for cuts in government spending, but won't even consider stopping one of the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars spent. What gives?? Can any republican justify why we are still subsidizing Big Oil???

The earth has a certain capacity to transform greenhouse gasses such as carbon dioxide back into oxygen largely through the process of photosynthesis, we are defoliating the planet at an astounding rate thereby diminishing the earths capacity to naturally assimilate carbon dioxide. Now consider the fact that the earth has been storing carbon in the from of coal, peat, and petroleum for millions of years, and in the last 100 years we have released an incredible portion of that stored carbon into the atmosphere. Lets say you ate all your groceries for one year, in one weeks time, you think you might get a tummy ache. People can deny it, but the fact remains we are releasing carbon based greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere at a rate that the earth cannot not assimilate naturally, it is real folks, as and we defoliate the planet and simultaneously use more carbon based fuels the problem gets exponentially worse. It is already way beyond what the experts that have studied and predicted this thought it would be at this point. The earths temperature is rising, the oceans temperature is rising, and it is not a temporary climate or cyclical weather phenomenon, it is a well documented statistical fact.

Tax credits are only for the rich and big oil companies how dare a working Joe even expect to get one. Romney will make sure his friends are taken care of. He wants to cut everything that middle America has but not the rich to balance a budget. Cut out social security, medicare, planned parenthood and anything that the rich don't use or need that is his big plan.

oscar is a fish living in fish bowl, what a moron. i have lived in florida for 40 + years and yes the water is higher in my canal and keeps getting higher every year. YES global warming is real idiots!

Caesar Augustus-The facts of the 2008 election show that he was the favorite of Exxon, Chevron, and BP. Exxon donated $117,946 to Obama and $73,326 to McCain. Chevron pumped $77,875 into Obama's warchest and $61,313 to McCain. BP gave $71,051 to Obama but just $36,649 to McCain.

usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/03/14/exxon-chevron-bp-greased-obamas-campaign

Ben.......... must have a ton of money invested in Oil like most likely Romney does. Lets just keep subsidizing big oil, as they continue to raise there prices and reap huge profits and take away tax credits to alternative energy that we will need in the future for our children. This man just doesn't care, why should he his children and grandchildren will be ok right!

Kim,

When our country needs it a thousand years from now, I am absolutly sure that technology will be able to produce without all the current toxic waste, without killing the birds, and a blight to the earth.

"Wind farms under fire for bird kills
Six birds found dead recently in Southern California’s Tehachapi Mountains were majestic golden eagles. But some bird watchers say that in an area where dozens of wind turbines slice the air they were also sitting ducks."
washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/wind-farms-under-fire-for-bird-kills/2011/08/25/gIQAP0bVlJ_story.html

Here we go again with the Conservative lie that President Obama is in the back pocket of the fossil fuels industry. As usual the facts have a Liberal agenda. Barack Obama is currently barely in the top 10 of all candidates receiving campaign contributions from the oil and gas industries, with $5.50 going to Romney for every $1 to Obama.

In fact 19 of the top 20 recipients of oil and gas bribes campaign contributions are Republicans. No wonder the GOP works so hard to prevent reasonable regulation that would prevent the rampant speculation which is sapping our economy and stealing from the wallets of average Americans.

Whosemoney

You do realize that the worlds power players....Wall Street, Big Oil, Pharma give to both parties....Right?

It's commonly called hedging their bets.

Absolutely!

End ALL private sector subsidies.

No subsidies. Flat tax for ALL.

Agree whole heartedly! Ten percent across the board flat tax on EVERYTHING for EVERYONE! This includes all fringe benefits, welfare, food stamps, section 8 subsidies, unemployment... No more free rides for anyone!!!

One of the problems with a "flat tax" is that the politicians would start granting exceptions, credits, and deductions - and we would be back where we started.

As to ending all subsidies, we must be careful not to kill industries crucial to our national defense while controlling our "pork barrel" politicians.

Daniel Streibig

Agree whole heartedly! Ten percent across the board flat tax on EVERYTHING for EVERYONE! This includes all fringe benefits, welfare, food stamps, section 8 subsidies, unemployment... No more free rides for anyone!!!

Spoken like a true "Flat Earth" subscriber. If you understood the effect of a flat tax (national sales tax) on those who need to spend the majority of their income on sustenance then you would realize that such a tax puts a heavier burden upon those who have the least amount of income.

A person receives welfare or food stamps because they do not make enough money to be able to pay for food, lodging and utilities at their job; unless they are unemployed which makes them eligible to receive unemployment benefits if they meet the requirements.

So Daniel, your "no more free rides" mantra is the equivalent of Mr. Romney's "I don't worry about the poor..." statement. Both are equally heartless and devoid of the economic realities of society at this time.

Finally, you'd better hope you never need food stamps, welfare or become unemployed because I assure you that those of your ilk will demonize you as being lazy, unproductive and a useless member of society which I'm sure you would refute just as 90% of the recipients of social programs today do now.

As to ending all subsidies, we must be careful not to kill industries crucial to our national defense while controlling our "pork barrel" politicians.

Lets not be foolish enough to think there isant 'pork barrel' Defense spending.

SayitaintSo...

Finally, you'd better hope you never need food stamps, welfare or become unemployed because I assure you that those of your ilk will demonize you as being lazy, unproductive and a useless member of society which I'm sure you would refute just as 90% of the recipients of social programs today do now.

I won't ever need to depend on the government for a handout because unlike you, I've been successfully self-employed and have run my own business since 1985 -- an achievment under attack by our president and the left wing these days... I was raised by parents that emphasized the values of self reliance and personal responsibility... I suppose in your envious pathetic veiw you would say shame on them!

Ten percent across the board - no exceptions, no free rides... Thats equality...

Lets not be foolish enough to think there isant 'pork barrel' Defense spending.

Randy "Duke" Cunningham immediately comes to mind.

I won't ever need to depend on the government for a handout because unlike you, I've been successfully self-employed and have run my own business since 1985 --

So we are to believe that you are in a recession proof business, there is no fear of it going bust right?

Guess that makes you one of three things:

A Doctor, but I doubt that because of your lack of empathy for those less fortunate;

A Lawyer, probably closer to the truth since your idea of equality is to put the screws to everyone equally regardless of their ability to pay;

A Drug Dealer, since you thrive on the misery of others and work to perpetuate that misery.

As to how you were raised, maybe your parents should have emphasized the virtues of "truth, charity, and humility" along with self-reliance and personal responsibility.

I seriously doubt that you became successful without the help of anyone else. I'm sure there were one or two Teachers who gave of themselves, Coaches who gave of their time and energy, Friends who lent you support (possibly even financially) when you needed it. Just to so you understand me clearly, your sanctimonious self-reliant soul knows absolutely nothing about my views on self reliance or personal responsibility.

What I can say unequivocally is that I was raised in an atmosphere of strict military discipline, sacrifice, and respect for those who taught, supported, and disciplined me when necessary. I've been self-reliant since leaving home at 18 and have never taken for granted the sacrifices that others made so that I could live the life I do. I was taught to care about those less fortunate than me and to distinguish between those who "choose to be lazy" verses those who have been less fortunate than I.

Sayit - well said indeed! Daniel has little tolerance for anyone who doesn't hate everyone not just like him.

Obama/Biden 2012

Daniel Streibig,

I agree with you. Let's have a flat tax with NO deductions, NO write offs, NO reductions in any form. 10% for each family would be fair. A family earning $35K would pay $3.5K annual. Someone with an income of $20M pays $2.0M.

Those billionaires like Soros would contribute more than they currently pay.

GE and other companies like them would actually pay rather than NOT as they currentl do.

But can you hear the Democrats argue why this won't work? Those political elitists and the liberal terrorists would be up in arms to defeat the bill.

Don't they want to see the incoming revenues accountable for the outgoing expenses they promote with their legislation?

Alas, a flat tax with no deductions for anything will never pass, even if it would help to balance the Democratic spending we are now undergoing.

Excellent response to Daniel, Sayit. I'm surprised that he actually posted something different. Been reading the same post of his all over the comment boards today!

Actually the code does manipulate our economy directly. Tax credits are given to services or productions that our government thinks will induce a result that will help us as a whole, such as alternative fuel sources, etc. Deductions are given us to help stabilize the differences in our housing costs that vary regionally, thus leveling our tax liabilities as affordable.

Don't be so quick to judge these manipulations. Child tax credits sometimes is the only way a couple can afford to have a child. Taking that away may mean only the wealthy are able to reproduce.

Each of you need to step out of the partisan box where you are dwelling for far too long and look at the real world.

Russian

Soro's is not an American Citizen....he would pay no income tax.

I'm sure he has companies operating in American which would be responsible for the corporate tax rates, less loop holes of course.

Nite

As I said, the Tax Code is manipulated by Politicians for their own political and/or financial profit. Some tax credits and deductions may serve a useful purpose for all, but the vast majority do not.

How many HUNDREDS of amendments did the Republicans submit, only to vote the entire bill down at the end.

How transparent can you get............. but I guess it wasn't to some.

I guess that means that 10% went to...... ready for it.... OIL

The only reason for the US government subsidies to the oil industry is the most obvious, the oil industry gives money to the Congressmen's campaigns.

The subsidies are just an indirect way that politicians get to take taxpayer money to stay in power.

Take away the oil subsidies and what do you have? $8.00 a gallon gasoline. I guess you progressive liberals really DO want to be Europe of the west.

I have to agree with you, dirp. Subsidies are just an indirect way that politicians get to take taxpayer money to stay in power. THUS, the reason Hussein wants to keep giving NINETY PERCENT of the allocated subsidies to his donors at alternative energy corporations. While a mere 10% goes to fossil fuels, not all oil.

Talk to the Hand

$8.00 a gallon gas in the U.S. and what do you get???

Answer: Highways and roads filled with electric, hybrid, and other alternative fueled vehicles.

So those who say "keep the oil subsidies so we don't have $8.00/gal gas prices" explain to us why we as a nation should be held hostage to a private industry in order to keep gas prices from rising to $8/gal?

Explain to me how letting multi-billion dollar corporation continue to receive monetary subsidies and/or tax credits is not the equivalent of paying a BRIBE? Explain to me how utilizing taxpayer monies to give un-needed subsidy or tax credits to the oil industry is not the equivalent of paying a higher price for a gallon of gas?

Seems to me if we took the amount of money we paid the oil companies in subsidy, divided it by the number of gallons of gas consumed in the entire country and then agreed to allow the oil/gas companies to raise their price to that amount we'd still be in the same place monetarily (oil company revenues) but we would lower the amount of spending done by the government in the form of subsidies and tax breaks. Once that equilibrium is achieved then the market forces would control the amount of increase or decrease in the price of a gallon of gas, but at least those of us who "choose to buy or not buy gas" wouldn't have a problem with paying the "actual" cost for a gallon of gas versus an artificially low price that does not include the per gallon amount taxpayers give to the oil companies in the form of subsidies and tax breaks.

And of those 90% of subsidies that went to solar, how many of those companies are still around?

It would appear those Obama company donors poneyed up their Obama cash, got their Obama cash, and went to an Obama bank to deposit their Obama cash into.

Ya gotta love this guy, he knows how to take care of his friends.

Take away the oil subsidies and what do you have? $8.00 a gallon

Thats a Complete LIE. The ONLY things that dictate price are SUPPLY and WORLD MARKET prices dictated by a handful of oil producing countries.

Lets look at you twisted logic this way, do you actually think if we gave the free-loading oil companies $100 Billion instead of $40 Billion a year that the price of gas would be like $2.00 or something?

Wow talk about sucking off the teat of the Governmenmt. WHo knew? SOunds like extortion to me....'give me my subsididies. for my $40 Billion dollar profits r else I raise prices to $8'

Also, why are we exportng our oil (now a surplus) to the world market? Why shopuld we subsidize oil that will not stay in the US? Care to defend it now,? (chuckle)

Hey, I'm for taxing gas as much as congress wants! As long as its a flat tax, go for it!!!

I agree with 2-Lane Gypsy: The price of gasoline is a direct result of oil speculation on the global market. Presidents, or congress don't have control of the price of crude oil, and can't make gas cheaper or more expensive. The Big Oil companies can make billions of dollars in profit, yet cutting their subsidies alone will create havoc on the price of gas. Yeah right......it's republicans not wanting to cut off the hand that feeds them, plain and simple.

carlos727 - oh you mean like Cheney and the Haliburton no-bid contracts that were WAY out of line as far as costs went and didn't provide as well as other bids that were made. You know, the Haliburton that had/has Cheney in their back pockets/payroll????

Obama/Biden 2012

No Seeking Sanity, I am talking about the funding Obama provided to his friends in the green energy industry who bundled funds for his superpacs, then collected from his stimulus programs, then socked the money away into banks who were also stimulated by Obama policies.

Cheney/Haliburton........old news. We are talking about the Obama Administration and the Obama policies.

Obama/Biden 2012........yes, they will be gone in January 2013. Why would you want to have another four years of Hope and Change that only left you with hope for change in your pocket?

I know, old joke, but true. Can you honestly state that the nation is much better off today than before the election of Obama?

russian - how perfect for you that you'll only talk about your perceived problems with the Democrats as opposed to what were true problems with the GOP and Haliburton - oops - still are!

We ARE better off - we are not hemorrhaging jobs as we were when he first took office. Of course, had the GOP not blocked all of his efforts, we would be MUCH better off. We will do better during his 2nd term if we oust as many Republicans as possible.

I will gladly take President Obama for 4 more years over hapless Romney who has no plans, no ideas - no nothing!

Obama/Biden 2012

So do we want our planet to survive, or not????

in 2011, 90%.....let me restate that....NINETY PERCENT .....of energy subsidies went to renewable energy. NOT OIL

what a bunch of idiots, the whole world is worse off than 4 years ago. Also Oscar show some respect he is OUR President of the United States. If you don't like him vote him out, but disrespect him!

The facts of the 2008 election show that he was the favorite of Exxon, Chevron, and BP. Exxon donated $117,946 to Obama and $73,326 to McCain. Chevron pumped $77,875 into Obama's warchest and $61,313 to McCain. BP gave $71,051 to Obama but just $36,649 to McCain
usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/03/14/exxon-chevron-bp-greased-obamas-campaign

The facts of the 2008 election show that he was the favorite of Exxon, Chevron, and BP. Exxon donated $117,946 to Obama and $73,326 to McCain. Chevron pumped $77,875 into Obama's warchest and $61,313 to McCain. BP gave $71,051 to Obama but just $36,649 to McCain
usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/03/14/exxon-chevron-bp-greased-obamas-campaign

Comment spamming is against the Newsvine COH, wmiia.

Why don't you tell us who's getting the oil and gas industry contributions NOW? Probably that's because you don't want us to realize Mitt Romney is receiving FAR MORE money from that industry than is President Obama. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2012&ind=E01

There's your facts.

Wow, GR8, doesn't sound like you work in "Corp America." In my industry, all I see is R&D and innovation. In fact, that's one of the reasons they tell me I can't get a raise. Well.....that, and the PPACA.

Oscar, in my line of work as well. We're constantly developing new and innovative products HOWEVER they are technology-based. Corporate America likes money. PERIOD GR8.

I work in defense industry. Most of what is done is not available to the public. In the public sector, engineering for "Planned Obsolescence" is not innovation. It is a marketing tool. What great innovations has Corp America introduced in the last 5 years. I will give you Apple under Steve Jobs, but that is the exception.

Oscar Rules: Our corporate bosses have NOT paid us a decent wage increase in 15+ years. Whatever reason they use to not give us a raise, has created the atmosphere we have today......NO JOBS.....OUTSOURCED JOBS.......REDUCED HEALTHCARE BENEFITS......LESS PERKS.

We have gotten some job security. A lot, I mean A LOT, of us work ungodly hours that are not paid as overtime and could have funded a new position if our corporate bosses didn't think that would make President Obama look good.

By the amount of the a share of Apple cost I would money is flowing from some place.

Romney's "Tax-Cut and Spend" policies are much worse!

UAW, you should learn to read. He didn't say he was giving more subsidies. He said he wasn't taking them away. Besides you know nothing about welfare. If you did you would know Most of it goes to children. But you want them to starve.

Bob, I'm all for helping children. But subsidizing wind mills for berkshire hathaway is a poor use of tax $$. (And I own shares of Berkshire Hathaway)

Bob, I'm all for helping children. But subsidizing wind mills for berkshire hathaway is a poor use of tax $$. (And I own shares of Berkshire Hathaway)

Then you have to agree that Oil Subsidies for Oil companies wityh $40 Bilolion nprofits should be removed also then ...right? If not, sir, YOU are a hippocrite

Yes Gypsy and I also agree with getting rid of ethanol subsidies. Fortunately a new breed of politician starting coming to Washington in 2010. They are more concerned with doing whats right. Not handing out tax payer money for votes.

UAW, the ethanol subsidies expired and were not renewed in January 2012. Of course, according to the circular logic of a few posters, that's why the price of corn is going up. yeah, right. ;-) Want to talk sugar subsidies?

"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies."--Tennyson

UAW, did I just read right. You are for getting rid of Big Oil and ethanol subsidies. Great...because R&D with Big Oil is not leading the nation on finding ways to get off the fossil fuel bandwagon. Let's start to invest in alternative energy with the Big Oil subsidies; sure, there will be failures, but, you don't think there were failures when Big Oil was first started. Why are we wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on a proven record....can we start encouraging colleges and industries to look for profitable and efficient means of energy.

WELFARE PRESIDENT?????? This President inherited this economy. Do we actually need people dying in the streets to make YOU PEOPLE stand up and take notice???

If republicans are so repulsed by welfare then why are 9 of the top ten welfare states republican states. Why don't they simply refuse the welfare checks, medicaid, and food-stamps. Why do they let the federal government shove that money down the throats of those 9 republican welfare queen states. They are not forced to take that money, how come money talks, and ideology walks, when it comes to the truth about republicans and welfare. Evidently nothing turns a personally responsible republican into a socialist taker of government handouts faster than there own personal need for welfare. If and when republicans starve the beast they will find that 9 republican states are the in the top ten states that feast off the beast.

Well said Forrest. Precisely.

Romney would be the worst thing for this great country of ours! I have friends in Europe and they think he is an awful joke that would ruin the world. Why would somebody that is such a great American hide his money in foreign banks. TAXES!!!!

Facts are that under President Obama, there are fewer Welfare Recipients! Reagan gets that award!!

Also, there are more WHITES receiving welfare than all of the minorities combined!! Check out CENSUS.GOV!!!

Most of the TEABAGGING, SIGN CARRYING, WINGNUTS are voting against their own interest!! They are the greatest of the Welfare collectors!!!!

Welfare was created for the Majority! If welfare only benefited the Minority it would have long been dissolved!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012!!!!

Friends in Europe? They seem to know how to elect fiscally responsible politicians.

Oh yum, rutabagas, a turnip the size of a bocce ball.

Will....grow up and things in life do change and sometimes they are out of your control....Think the party of "NO' had he been dealing with a group of Adults and not Temper Tantrum spoiled Brats....we all know we would be in better shape than we are now. My Old party of 25 years have been over taken by the teas, Koch Brothers, Big oil on welfare, Greedy Banks, Greedy people (you know YOU people don't need.. Annie's) Big Corporations, Wall street Gamblers,Hate filled Bigots....the l list goes on. Your childish whining from the right is gettin OLD

Grow up ? The President campaigned as a fiscal conservative. The President made many statements as to how bad deficit spending was. Without conditions of any kind to include any act of congress, the President vowed to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. To keep his promise the 2012 federal deficit cannot exceed 229.27 billion yet the deficit has already gone over that many times. The President said that the stimulus "did its job" yet according to a report issued by the President's own administration, unemployment has been worse than it the stimulus had never been passed. The President is in the habit of making promises that sound good at the time but he forgets about them right away. That makes his nothing less than a bser. So apparently the President is now for maintaining tax breaks for the rich. What will he say tomorrow?

The President needs to be reminded of some words of wisdom that were spoken back in March of 2006. The words were as true then as they are today.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

How is this his fault, when you can't get anything to pass through the bunch of baby's like Eric Cantor and the rest of the douchebags. Stop the retoric!!!!

It won't only be liberals that get Obama reelected. It will be independents as well. Only those low information republican voters will vote against their own best interests.

nazarite - Our country IS worth saving and with President Obama's leadership it will get even better.

Please don't let the door hit your a** as you leave!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

seeking, still looking for sanity - Obama's leadership is destroying US with intent. You deserve the days to come, but probably blame others for poor choices.

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID LIBS.

nazarite - WE understand that - apparently the Republicans in Congress don't which is why they block every program to help it! I'm happy with my choices but my guess is you whine all day long!

STUPID REPUBLICAN!!!!

Still not an ounce of sanity to be found in the GOP!

Obama/Biden 2012

Ignorance is destroying America. Not President Obama.

Guess what Nazarite the majority of the country does not blame the economy on Obama, that's why he will be re-elected. The majority of the electorate knows exactly what happened to the economy, and who tried tried to help improve it and who did not. Welcome to Waterloo!

Hey Nazarite, I got an idea MOVE

nararite don't like it leave...please go elsewhere

Will -

I thought that the tree hugging set was liberal?

Willbfree: Keep up the good work for PETA and the Sierra Club.

Meetoooo,

I don't agree with a word you said, but speaking of Stephanie...she is Hott!!

Talk about panties on fire, she can be my Campaign Manager anytime!!!

Silver -

Feel free to disagree with meetoo, but on one thing at least he is correct.

Stephanie Cutter is in fact a liar.

She claimed on CNN to not know the "facts" in the Koptic (sp?) attack on Romney, but clearly did, since she did a conference call interview with Joe several months ago. In this interview/phone call he is telling the same story as is presented in the slanderous lie of an ad

Are you really still holding on to the obvious fallacy that Romney has paid no taxes in ten years, which Harry Reid presented as fact on the senate floor?

That makes two liars that you dont see as liars, assuming that you still disagree with every word meetoo said.

Nancy Pelosi - she who will not release her taxes, and actually gets mad at reporters who ask why she wont, and queen of the "we have to pass it to see what is in it" - you actually trust her? Ask her about her offshore money, then decide if you trust her.

That makes three.

Then of course, there is President Obama - he of the solemn promise to not raise taxes on the middle class, the self proclaimed warrior for the middle class. He who also imposed the single largest tax increase on the middle class in American history.

And that would be four.

Facts are pesky things for true believers, arent they? Never seem to go away....

By the way - nice little innuendo about Stephanie Cutter there - how very progressive and liberal of you to objectify her like that.

Notalkingpoints;

You are full of crap!!

Stephanie Cutter is in fact a liar.

Who are you to impugn the word, honor, and reputation of a public official based on your assumption of her past knowledge?

Are you really still holding on to the obvious fallacy that Romney has paid no taxes in ten years, which Harry Reid presented as fact on the senate floor?

It seems to me that you are the liar. Mr. Reid stated that he had heard this information from a Bain investor. I choose to believe him. Romney can prove him wrong by showing his taxes...but he won't because he has something to hide.

Nancy Pelosi - she who will not release her taxes, and actually gets mad at reporters who ask why she wont, and queen of the "we have to pass it to see what is in it" - you actually trust her? Ask her about her offshore money, then decide if you trust her.

That makes three.

Minority Leader Pelosi is not running for President. Her taxes is not the issue and none of your business. I not only trust her, I contribute to her campaigns.

Then of course, there is President Obama - he of the solemn promise to not raise taxes on the middle class, the self proclaimed warrior for the middle class. He who also imposed the single largest tax increase on the middle class in American history.

And that would be four.

That's four errors you've made if you think any thinking folks will buy into that hogwash you're selling. President Obama has lowered income taxes on individuals and small business. The only ones paying more are Smokers (sin tax), Jokers (people who pay to tan), and loafers (people that refuse to buy health insurance).

Facts are pesky things for true believers, arent they? Never seem to go away....

Yes, I'll agree with you there. Facts are pesky things...too bad that your posts are devoid of them.

He should show his taxes, what is he hiding that thay have to resort to name calling! When people do that, it means they are hiding something. Who gets to give their sons 100 million each tax free. What a joke to the middle class!

Brian -

So when Obama openly panders for votes by "evolving" that isnt going with the prevailing wind?

Somehow, when Obama "evolves" that is just fine with you, but you have a completely different standard to apply to Romney.

And still baying at the moon about those taxes, I see - you are truly behind the curve here, unfortunately....or did you not get the memo from the DNC that says "Oops - that failed miserably - time to call Romney a murderer instead".

Better hurry up and catch up, Brian - that one is fizzling fast too - you dont want to get left behind again, do you?

And of course, as is completely typical, no mention of Obamas record - nothing good to talk about there though, so let the mudslinging continue..

Double standards and lies is what you have to work with here, and that is not much of a tool kit to use.

Jeff -

The problem the right has with Solyndra is basically this - it was a dumb investment. The Bush administration looked at it, and decided to not moveforward.

The Obama administration, despite warnings that failure was likely, decided to go ahead.

Renewable energy is inevitable, and even the right knows this. But, the simple fact is that the technology has not developed to the point to make it particularly viable in this country. Not just yet, in any case.

I know, you will contend that the government could help accelerate this process. The problem there is that this puts the administration in charge of deciding who succeeds and who doesnt. It also forces us unnecessarily into a position where we have to choose between priorities, at a time where fiscally we dont have that luxury, at least when you are talking about non immediate priorities.

Spend a decade or so trying to right the ship, give us time to get the economy back on a paying basis - then we have more flexibility to invest in things such as green energy. For the moment, our economic problems demand a more immediate reaction.

Inefficient operations as in Leahman Bothers, Goldman Sachs , JP Morgan Chase, and Merrill Lynch whos CEO's still command multi-million dollar bonuses for performing like morons and nearly wrecking our financial system beyond repair?

GB them also since they are some of his biggest campaign donors:

"Merely four years ago, then democratic candidate Barack Obama’s top campaign contributors were the University of California: $1,648,685.00, Goldman Sachs: $1,013,091.00, Harvard University: $878,164.00, Microsoft Corporation: $852,167.00, Google Inc.: $814,540.00, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co: $808,799.00, and Citigroup Inc.: $736,771.00.

Your ignorant and irresponsible hatred of our President is unbelievable. It is invalid, has absolutely nothing behind it, and speaks volumes about you - none of it good.

You are the epitome of ignorance.

Obama/Biden 2012

NUTTS!!!

The President is authorizing drones in America, be careful he is watching!

I've heard about this voter fraud but I've never seen it. I have been a poll watcher and know how good the people that run my polling place are. They greet most of the voters by name. If you are truly worried about fraud get involved. Your party will welcome you. Don't make it harder, make it better.

Bobnstuff,

Is possible to determine a fraud just by appearence? Once one volunteers, how do they stop the fraud?

ummm well ummmm give me a minute how long do one get to answer? ummmmm food stamps no no no wait ummmmmm well ummm no I cant think of any thing but then again Im not a lefty loon...:)

One big reason to vote for Obama. HE'S NOT ROMNEY. If my party wants my vote they need to stop running jack ass's. If this is the best we have then we are in very sad shape. Obama has no guts. Romney has no convictions. It is truly a sad day for my country.

You are a racist pig! You don't belong here Nazarite!

Obama is the racist pig.

Because President Obama has integrity, Something the Mitt Romney has new heard of.

Because he beleives that equality and fainess will help Amercia grow and he is determined to help the "Majority" of Americans not just the elite few.

Because he has empathy for those less fortunate

Because he is a strong leader that has returned world respect to America.