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Subscribe to RSSThe battleground hasn’t expanded – it’s still being played on Obama’s turf … But the focus has narrowed to four states this week – Iowa, Virginia, Ohio, and Colorado … Team Romney maintains 2-to-1 spending edge … Activist conservatives still don’t trust Romney – just look at how they pounced yesterday … Is Romney embracing “RomneyCare” again … The spiral campaign: Sandra Fluke introduces Obama, Romney invokes Pope John Paul II in an ad -- it’s birth control vs. religious freedom again. … Conservative intelligentsia continues to push Ryan for veep.
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Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney speaks to supporters during a campaign event at Central Campus High School in Des Moines, Iowa August 8, 2012.
*** Romney hasn’t expanded the map: Here we are in August and what the Obama campaign, at the beginning of all this, said would be the battleground states are the battleground states. They are not what the Romney camp said and hoped it would be, expanding to places like Pennsylvania and Minnesota (and Michigan and Wisconsin still look like reaches). Look at the four states where the campaigns are advertising most heavily this week (by points) – Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, and Iowa. All four are states George W. Bush and Barack Obama carried. And just one of those is a state Al Gore carried (Iowa). The point is: just four years ago, these were all places Republicans had traditionally been favored in. Yes, it speaks to polarization and a demographically divided America. But this is one reason why Romney’s perceived to be slightly behind – because he hasn’t expanded the playing field. Now, Obama’s defending in all these states, but he’s just not playing defense enough or in any other places. There has been advertising in just 11 states this election, now it’s really only just about eight -- with none or very little in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
NBC's Domenico Montanaro highlight this week's top television ad markets and the new controversy over an old topic, birth control and religion.
*** Team Romney maintains 2-to-1 ad-spending edge: All that said, Team Romney (the Romney campaign, RNC, and outside groups) is making as strong a push as it can in this shrunken (or not expanded) playing field to help Romney over the finish line for a narrow victory. This week's total ad spending in the presidential race -- $31 million -- isn't quite as high as we thought it would be. But it's still high, especially for August, and Team Romney continues its 2-to-1 advantage over Team Obama -- $20 million to $11 million, which we’ve seen consistently for about a month now. Previously, outside spending had brought Romney to about even with Obama. Here's this week's total ad spending (8/6 to 8/12), per SMG Delta:
- Obama $10 million
- Romney $8.5 million
- Americans for Prosperity $4.6 million
- Restore Our Future $2.8 million
- Crossroads GPS $2.3 million
- RNC $2 million
- Priorities USA $870K
- SEIU $217K
The reason why this week's ad spending wasn't as high as we originally assumed: The Crossroads GPS buy is ending (just as AFP goes up) and the Obama camp isn't spending as much as it did last week.
*** This week's 10 hottest TV markets: And here is our weekly look at the week's 10 hottest TV markets (in terms of advertising points from 8/6 to 8/12):
1. Colorado Springs, CO (Romney 1100, Obama 1000, AFP 540, RNC 200, ROF 180, Priorities 165, Crossroads 100)
2. Cincinnati, OH (Romney 1500, Obama 1000, AFP 250, ROF 250, Crossroads 170, RNC 150)
3. Roanoke-Lynchburg, VA (Romney 1000, Obama 900, AFP 900, RNC 170, ROF 150, Crossroads 120)
4. Des Moines, IA (Obama 1350, Romney 1100, AFP 400, RNC 190, Crossroads 150, ROF 130)
5. Richmond-Petersburg, VA (Romney 1300, Obama 1000, AFP 320, RNC 180, Crossroads 160, ROF 160, Priorities 155)
6. Cedar Rapids, IA (Obama 1000, Romney 1000, AFP 610, ROF 225, RNC 215, Crossroads 100)
7. Quad Cities, IA (Obama 1100, Romney 1100, AFP 315, Crossroads 160, ROF 130, RNC 100)
8. Denver, CO (Romney 1100, Obama 650, AFP 380, RNC 250, Priorities 230, ROF 200, Crossroads 100) 9. Columbus, OH (Romney 1000, Obama 830, AFP 300, RNC 160, ROF 150, Priorities 130, Crossroads 120)
10. Toledo, OH (Romney 980, Obama 940, AFP 330, RNC 180, ROF 160, Crossroads 100)
That’s just four states, including three markets each in Iowa and Ohio and two each in Virginia and Colorado. By the way, don’t ignore the wind tax credit story (Romney’s against it). It’s a big deal in Iowa and Colorado. It’s been picked up now by the New York Times, AP, Wall Street Journal, National Journal, and began with the Des Moines Register and been noted by the Denver Post. It’s a sleeper local issue that has Republicans pushing back against Romney’s stance of wanting to eliminate the “production tax credit” because, they say, it would cost jobs.
*** Ready to pounce: If you needed more proof that the activist base of the Republican Party just doesn’t inherently trust Mitt Romney, look no further than how ready to pounce they were yesterday to a comment made by a spokesperson and not even the candidate. The comment that sparked the outrage was from Andrea Saul talking about the Priorities ad that goes so far as to link Romney to a woman who died from cancer. “[I]f people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care,” she said. Just that comment alone prompted the likes of Ann Coulter to call for her firing on Laura Ingraham’s show. Ingraham herself posted that Saul “wins the ‘Etch-A-Sketch’ Award of the Day.” Red State’s Erick Erickson wrote a blog post entitled: "The Moment All the Doubts About Romney Resurfaced on the Right." “Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again,” he wrote. And Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves in disbelief, calling the comments a “potential gold mine for Obama supporters.” The activist base just never gives Romney the benefit of the doubt – despite how much Romney has tried to do in lining up with their positions over the past several years. And remember, Romney hasn’t distanced himself from the Massachusetts health law; he just says it isn’t right for country (now).
*** But was this a coincidence or something else? But has Romney’s tone shifted a bit on health care. It just so happened that coinciding with the “comment that sparked outrage around the conservative blogosphere,” was Romney talking favorably about “RomneyCare.” While the focus of Romney’s day was once again pushing his welfare charge against the president, Romney also said this yesterday in Iowa: “We've got to do some reforms in health care, and I have some experience doing that, as you know, and I know how to make a better setting than the one we have in health care. I want to make sure that those who have pre-existing conditions are able to get insurance, that people don't have to worry about being dropped from their insurance coverage, and that health insurance is available to all people. And I want to bring the cost of health care down - the cost of health care." As NBC’s Garrett Haake notes, this is much more than the zero mention he usually gives to “RomneyCare.” But we ask this: Would it really be a surprise if Romney tried to defend this a little bit more, especially with Romney so far behind with women.
*** Back to the Future: Speaking of women, four months ago, the political world’s controversy du jour was the battle of birth control vs. religious freedom. Well, it’s baaaack. Yesterday, Sandra Fluke introduced Obama in Colorado, and today, the Romney campaign is out with an ad, “Be Not Afraid,” contending Obama has declared "war on religion" and even invokes Pope John Paul II. The ad clips from Romney’s speech in Poland and shows him shaking hands with Lech Walesa. (John Paul was also from Poland.) The ad seems like an attempt to make a play for industrial Midwest Notre Dame Catholics. But it has an odd feel and doesn’t seem aimed at swing voters. We’re curious to see where this one airs. (Here’s NBC’s Andrea Mitchell’s Nightly News spot on the battle for women.)
*** Veepstakes watch – the Ryan buzz continues in GOP circles: Everyone’s still waiting to see if Romney makes the pick before his bus tour (less likely), during the bus tour (possible, not probable), or afterward in run up to the convention (most likely). We reported yesterday that Paul Ryan is in the final three and the Ryan buzz continues today in GOP circles with the influential conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page today writing: “Why Not Paul Ryan?” Here’s Rich Lowry in Politico: “This is the broader point. Romney has to carry the argument to President Barack Obama. The state of the economy alone isn’t enough to convince people that Romney has better ideas to create jobs. Neither is his résumé. Romney needs to make the case for his program, and perhaps no one is better suited to contribute to this effort than Ryan.” As NBCNews.com’s Michael O’Brien notes: “It’s not just the media haranguing Romney for more detail. It’s conservatives, too. There’s a school of thought led by the Ryans and Walkers of the world that believe the only way to run a campaign is to offer a clear, understandable alternative, and stand up for it.” Whether Ryan and his budget plan is the way to win over swing voters or older voters in Florida, though, is another question.
*** Obama remains in Colorado, Romney raises money: President Obama is in Colorado for two more events today -- in Pueblo at 12:40 pm ET and Colorado Springs at 5:15 pm ET. Romney holds a breakfast fundraiser in New York City.
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Just what is Willard's problem with offending people?
If he's not hurling insults at a supporter over cookies, he's slighting an entire country over their handling of the Olympics!
Now he's moved onto attacking the state of California;
I'm sure the residents of CA are guffawing their butts off over this little gem!
Willard needs to stay away from Rafalca, he's suffering from some serious
hoof & mouth disease!
Willard can't treat people with r-e-s-p-e-c-t, is it any wonder he & Princess Annie treat animals the way they do?
Do you right wingers seriously consider this guy "Presidential" material? lmao
Apparently the right wing activist "base" doesn't think so...
ROMNEY'S GROWING LIST OF BLATANT LIES.
A group called Nuns On A Bus are targeting Romney after his ad that lies about welfare reform & President Obama:
Sister Simone Campbell, director of NETWORK said: "Recent advertisements and statements from the campaign of Governor Romney demonize families in poverty and reflect woeful ignorance about the challenges faced by tens of millions of American families..."
Sister Campbell said Romney's policies "shift wealth to the upper class"
And Romney"doesn't have a clue".
Furthermore, Sister Campbell accuses Romney of trying to divide us by class -" score political points at the expense of the most vulnerable of our brothers and sisters.”
Ten Things Romney Must Do To Be President:
1. Live on $2,000 a month for 6 months. (no cheating)
2. Take Ann to Planned Parenthood to get her health care.
3.Sit in the nickel seats at Fenway Park, buy a hotdog, and say something that's really funny.
4.Eat cookies when they are offered to you and learn to say "Thank you".
5.Take a trip in an 18 wheeler over our nation's crumbling roads and bridges.
6.Shadow an inner city police officer, a city firefighter, and a high school teacher for 3 months.
7.Complete a job application, be interviewed and rejected 10 times before getting hired.
8.Mow your own lawn for an entire summer.
9.Send your son off to war in Afghanistan.
10.Be a proud American by showing that you have paid more than 14% in federal income tax for ten years.
These are things that middle and lower-middle class Americans do. These are the things that you need to learn about. Until you can do all 10 of these things, you are not fit to be POTUS.
Looks like Obamabot Bill Burton and his Obama super PAC got caught in a HUGE lie with their “Romney killed a woman who got cancer” ad. Even worse, the lying sacks of sh!t in the Barry campaign are doing the Hogan’s Heroes Sgt. Schultz routine of “I see nothing, I hear nothing.”, even though they had this Soptic clown in a Barry campaign Bain attack ad in May 2012.
This woman had her own employer health insurance and died FIVE YEARS after the plant where her husband worked went out of business. Any attempt by the Obamabots to connect her death with Romney is an outright LIE and even some Dems are calling them on it.
BTW, I doubt the MSDNC FR Obama campaign mouthpieces will even cover this story, and if they do it will be as apologists for the Obamabots getting caught in their LIE.
And the FR lefty liberals will either try to ignore it or spin a justification for it.
You couldn't make this sh!t up if you tried!!!
Obama super PAC adviser: 'What fact in that ad is wrong?'
By MAGGIE HABERMAN |
8/8/12 10:02 PM EDT
Bill Burton, the main face of Priorities USA Action, refused to back away from an ad that the pro-President Obama super PAC unveiled yesterday, despite blowback from Republicans and fact-checks that have questioned the account the spot relays.
"What fact in that ad is wrong?" Burton said as he pushed back on a fairly feisty Wolf Blitzer during an interview on the CNN set.
"You're saying there's an impression," Burton said, as Blitzer said the ad implies Mitt Romney had a connection to the death of the man in the ad, Joe Soptic, who talks in the spot about losing his job at a Bain Capital-owned steel company when the plant was shut, and how he lost his health insurance and his wife lost hers, and she got sick a short time later and died within 22 days of a cancer diagnosis.
"I just don't think that's true, and we would never make that case," Burton said.
As we reported yesterday, she died in 2006, five years after he lost his job. CNN later reported she had her own health insurance from her job after Soptic was fired, which she lost after she got injured prior to her cancer diagnosis.
Burton said the point of the ad is to describe the impact of decisions made by Romney's firm years after the fact on communities where jobs were lost. Blitzer said Romney "effectively left in 1999," and Burton responded, "He was the CEO. He was the sole shareholder. He's responsible for the decisions" of the company.
This point has, of course, been one that's been of contention between Democrats and the Romney campaign for weeks, as readers of this page know. While the ad is one of the roughest of the cycle, it is also carefully worded, so that every sentence of Soptic's can be explained.
Burton did nothing to back away from the ad, which Romney's supporters - and some media critics and independent fact-checkers - have described as a bridge too far. Over on 44, our colleague Reid Epstein explains that the Obama campaign - which held a call using Soptic and unveiled its own ad featuring him a few months ago - got tangled in distancing itself from the super PAC.
But the campaign has also not disavowed the ad. Democrats argue that Romney has amplified the discussion about the spot by engaging on it so hard. Republicans argue they couldn't leave such a charge unanswered, and that the ad is risky for a president with a post-partisan brand and personal popularity he relies on.
Have You No Sense of Decency?
Wisconsin Senator Joseph R. McCarthy rocketed to public attention in 1950 with his allegations that hundreds of Communists had infiltrated the State Department and other federal agencies. In the spring of 1954, McCarthy picked a fight with the U.S. Army, charging lax security at a top-secret Army facility. The Army hired Boston lawyer Joseph Welch to defend them at what has come to be known as the Army-McCarthy hearings. At a session on June 9, 1954, McCarthy charged that one of Welch's attorneys had ties to a Communist organization. As an amazed television audience looked on, Welch responded with the immortal lines that ultimately ended McCarthy's career:
"Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Let us not assassinate this lad further, senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"
I might put that very same question to Harry Reid, as well as Dr. Ron and all the other pathetic leftist lemmings who are jumping on the bandwagon of unsubstantiated character assassination. Someone needs to explain to me how smearing Romney without proof is any less reckless or despicable than McCarthy's abhorrent tactics. Even worse, after these paragons of virtue toss out their slime they smugly proclaim that all would be set straight if only Romney would prove Reid is wrong. So the burden of proof is on Romney to debunk a lie?? Whatever happened to the fundamentally American presumption of being innocent until proven guilty? That's out the window, my friends, the left will leave no stone unturned in their desperate attempt to prop up the losing Obama.
Speaking of Obama, suppose I would assert that during his college years he was classified as a foreign exchange student and not an American citizen. Where's my proof, you say? There is no need of proof, says I – Harry Reid and his supporters have set the standard in such matters and it is sufficient to note that this allegation is "out there." Besides, all the president need do to squelch this allegation would be to release his college records. So if fair is fair, then just like in the Romney tax case there can be no presumption the accused president is innocent. Instead the burden of proof would be on Obama to demonstrate he was an American citizen during this period, not on his accusers to demonstrate he wasn't.
That's the legacy Harry Reid is bequeathing to contemporary politics. And every leftist slug around here who is singing his praises on this issue has their fingerprints all over these shameful tactics as well. As Glenn Kessler points out in his Fact Check column (four Pinocchios) on this issue: "Reid holds a position of great authority in the U.S. Congress. He should hold himself to a high standard of accuracy when making claims about political opponents." But as Dr. Ron would say, who cares about the Pinocchios when spreading juicy lies can advance the progressive cause.
So a question that brought down a demagogue over 60 years ago holds just as much relevance today and resonates just as strongly today as it did then: Have you no sense of decency. What say you to that, Senator Reid? Any regrets for making up your tall tale? And what about you Dr. Ron, care to man up and confront your own hypocrisy as well as that of your leftist echo chamber pals?
Unfortunately for America, we already know the answers to these questions.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/four-pinocchios-for-harry-reids-claim-about-mitt-romneys-taxes/2012/08/06/c31a1402-e007-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html
Mitt Romney is all about Rep. Paul Ryan's 'marvelous' budget plan, that proposes deep cuts to food stamps and other safety net programs.
Stating the obvious, Romney/Ryan's class of high income earners do not need such programs.
Notice that while proposing draconian cuts on the less fortunate: BOTH the Ryan and Romney budgets propose additional huge tax cuts for the wealthy.
AS IF THAT WEREN'T ENOUGH - ADDITIONALLY both Romney and Ryan propose extending the Bush tax cuts that will cost America around $5Trillion over the next decade.
The gutter politics that the left is currently engaging in should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed the political career of their leader Barack Obama. Consider the following:
In 1996, when running for Illinois state Senate against heavily favored Alice Palmer, Obama waited until the eleventh hour--so she wouldn't have time to respond-- and challenged the signatures on her petitions which resulted in her name being removed from the ballots. He had previously done this to two other opponents and ended up running unopposed. Noteworthy here is that Palmer claims that she spent the next few months going door to door making sure that the disqualified signatures were valid and found that every single one of them was legitimate. One of the other candidates he eliminated, Gha-is Askia said "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"
In the 2004 Democratic primary for the US Senate, Barack Obama was losing to millionaire Blair Hull by double digits in the polls. Mysteriously (or perhaps not so mysteriously in hind-sight) The Chicago Tribune--former employer of David Axelrod--leaked a story that Hulls ex-wife had asked for an order of protection against him during their divorce proceedings; the implication was that she needed to be defended against potential domestic violence. What makes this strange is that the only way one could have knowledge of the ex-wife's request was if they had access to supposedly sealed divorce records. The story was verified when both Hull and his ex-wife felt compelled to release these records.
Probably not coincidentally, and at about the same time the story broke, Obama was holding a press conference on the very same topic--domestic violence. Later, the writer of The Chicago Tribune story acknowledged that Obama's campaign had been "agressively pushing" the story before it had been printed, but never named his source for the original leaked material. Although there isn't any direct evidence identifying him as the origin, many believe that David Axelrod was the source of the writer's information.
After easily winning the Democratic nomination for US Senate, Obama now faced another tough opponent in Republican Jack Ryan, who incidentally was a partner at Goldman Sachs. Again, The Chicago Tribune got involved and sued for access to records containing the details about Ryan's divorce and child custody battle with his ex-wife. After witnessing what had happened to Hull, Ryan and his ex agreed to release their divorce papers, but wanted to keep the child custody records sealed to protect their son. Shortly after this, a Democrat judge ruled on the Tribune's lawsuit and chose to release those records as well. Contained within the child custody records was a charge made by Ryan's ex-wife claiming that he had taken her to sex clubs for the purpose of engaging in what she referred to as "public sex". While this charge was never proven, the political fallout was insurmountable and Ryan was forced to withdraw his candidacy.
This left Republicans scrambling for a replacement who ended up being Alan Keyes. In addition to putting his foot in his mouth at every oppurtunity, Keyes was viewed as an interloper by the residents of Illionois and Obama won the Senate seat with relative ease.
To be continued
Obama pandering to yet another group:
So Barry wants Michelle to have paid vacations?
Feisty and Ron, EXACTLY...
Ahead of the House vote on August 1st, over 60 Christian leaders released a letter telling Republicans to extend the Child Tax Credit and the Earned Income Tax credit.
You guessed it. GOP voted for tax credits to expire on 15 million Americans and more than 36 million children - folks who rely on the tax credits to put food on the table.
A budget is a moral document. David Beckmann, President of Bread for the World and World Food Prize laureate said: "It is morally unjust that lawmakers consider drastic cuts to tax credits that are vital to hungry families while wealthy people retain reduced rates for their income over $250,000 and estates as large as $10 million are exempt from taxation. We urge Congress to protect programs that help people lift themselves out of poverty, and not balance the budget on the backs of people who were not responsible for our deficit to begin with."
"We must conclude that the Republican budget is an immoral document."
"In this week's House vote on extending the Bush era tax cuts, we see one more example of the priorities and principles of the broader GOP budget and how they apply to the rich and to the poor." Jim Wallis, President of Sojourners.
The choices that are made in Congress have serious consequences for flesh and blood human beings, and reflect the values of America as a whole. GOP/Ryan efforts to dismantle tax credits and push working families deeper into poverty have been denounced before by Catholic Bishops. Every Pope in recent memory has looked out for the less fortunate.
Note that the current Pope Benedict XVI has gone out of his way to roast Paul Ryan (R-WI) about his cruel budget plans, and its devastating effects on the non-affluent in our country.
Romney hasn't expanded anything except the level of hate.
Now he is declaring that the President's campaign is waging a war on religion. Geez, does he really want to go there?
Things must be getting really desperate for them, when they use that old canard.
The Ryan buzz is purely the fringe right wing flexing its muscle to force Romney further right. Romney has to do something to appease the "teabaggers" and if he should pick Ryan, you know that is the approach he has picked.
The problem is that it will become easy fodder for the Democrats to remind EVERYONE that Romney's view of aging is putting Granny out on an ice floe and waving goodbye to her as she floats away. Will this play well with middle America? Nope. Going to make them very nervous.
Romney continues to put his nice, Italian leather shoes in his mouth by insulting people under the guise of "humor". Mitty; Californians don't take well to your equating them with Greece, particularly when their problems stem from good old Howard Jarvis. It is a BIG state with LOTS of voters..did you REALLY think this is a way to win them over?
Poor Mittens, another day, another flip flop and another error in judgment. Just doesn't go over well.
and he an his party have allienated the women of this country. why would any woman vote for any republican???
Why are the little bee's so angry this morning?
Anyone else see a pattern here?
Notice how not a one of the RWNJ's can talk about WHY Willard should be President...
Instead it's President Obama bashing 24/7 out of them...
Good luck with THAT strategy while trying to win over the undecided voters! ;o)))
Mmmm... I ♥ the smell of desperation first thing in the morning!
Here's the Hope and Change Obama has brought to the country:
Once again, Mr. Hope and Change has turned into Mr. Smear and Blame.
Obama 2012 - Destroying prosperity one job at a time
Bloomberg in their interview with Romney tried to get him to understand, just as someone looking to invest in a business would demand to look through at least 5 years of financials, people want to see Romney's financials going back at least 5 years. But if he won't show the returns......
Why doesn't the media just come out and ask Romney if he took the IRS Amnesty deal in 2009 concerning overseas accounts?
...but...but...but...Smiffy, are you accusing the President of coordinating with a SuperPAC?
Seems to me that during the primaries the GOP wannabes did the same thing that just happened with the President...SuperPAC makes ad, candidate denies having anything to do with it. Funny how you didn't seem to care then.
obama needs to be impeached over his sickening claim that romeny murdered a women
americans are tired of obams lies and anti american propaganda.
the bastard is not worthy oh the white house.
obama has destroyed any chance of americans trusting each other in washington.
obama should be arrested for the death of federal agent brian terry.
americans are pissed off.....and they will do everything they can to get rid of this criminal SOB baraak obama.
Romney could pick Mother Teresa and the Democrats would dig up dirt on her.
So True, any Woman who votes in the year 2012 for a Republican is a fool and door mat to these same Republicans.
Why would a Woman vote against their own interest?
Joannasmith1 - sorry old girl, hope and change are working great for me and my working/middle class family, thanks for asking! Sorry you were not able to compete and keep up.
Well, no wonder Mitt Romney struggles in his campaign!
He Lies and Cheats and Avoids paying his Taxes!
Mitt the Clown hides his ill-gotten Loot in Hidden Swiss Bank accounts,
after having Laundried that Money through his slush-funds, in his phony off-shore Cayman Island shell companies. No wonder people are Laughing.
And "RETIRING RETROACTIVELY"? What an UMANLY thing to do.
What the Hell is "RETROACTIVE RETIREMENT" anyway?
Is that something you do to AVOID CRIMINAL FELONY CHARGES, being CEO of BAIN and still receiving Millions and Millions of Dollars?
Ron Indiana:
What a wonderful post. I keep wondering whether Mitt Romney knows what "hardware stuff" is. Whether he's ever broken a sweat working the business end of a shovel. Whether he understands the significance of calloused hands, of an aching back. I wonder whether he understands the fear of spending more than you earn; the fear that even a minor medical emergency is going to force you to lose your home.
I wonder about people who are going to vote for him. You have Romney, a guy who has made his living, sucking money from people who actually labor for a living - the people who actually create wealth with sweat and hard work.
Contrast this with a guy who wears the label - President of the United States - and who worked his way into that position by getting people to work together. That's what a community organizer does. You can see how tough the job is when people fight him simply because they can't see past his skin color and they pretend they have a beef about his birthplace, or his scholastic record, or that he likes arugula.
We seem to forget that Team Obama ran a virtually flawless campaign in 2008. Now, we have an article that says his staff correctly identified the battleground for 2012 some time ago. His opponents have been wrong at virtually every turn.
Yet his opponents talk about the failures of the President of the United States of America. Some failure! A man with a white Mother and an African Father. A man with a beautiful family. A man who certainly had no idea what it meant to be born with a silver spoon in his mouth. And yes, a man who became the President of the United States of America.
So it turns out the Obama campaign knew all about that sleazy Steelworker ad.
I hear Obama even signed off on it.
What ever happend to "Hope and Change"?
Mmmm... I ♥ the smell of desperation first thing in the morning!
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Actually, Nast DumbFux, that smell is from you forgetting to use deoderant this morning and I am not at all surprised you like it.
LMFAO@U!!!!!!!
So Job1 just called about half the women in this country a fool.
Job1, why are you such a sexist?
Soda Pop & Lindy Hop " Romney " is a Flop !!!!!!!!!!!!
When Both Sides Lie
With the advent of unlimited corporate donations, what we now have is a lie-fest for both Republicans and Democrats.
Some had hoped that more money in the elections would make a dramatic impact. I believe that Americans are quickly becoming tired of the lies on both sides. In fact, I've heard many people say, "I don't believe anything on a political ad no matter whose side it is".
It would be nice if Obama and Romney would agree to only run ads that have passed a fact check. Without this, all that money being spent in unlimited donations is really not going to matter at all.
I haven’t been watching much of Da Rev. Al’s Comedy Hour on MSDNC lately because he has become pretty boring. However, yesterday was a slow day and I ended up watching him for about 10 minutes and, with that moron Harry Reid being the toast of all lefty liberals lately, I was reminded by Da Rev. of Harry’s comments about Barry revealed in the book Game Change:
I guess what Harry was referring to was Da Rev’s butchering of the English language with statements like “Dese Republicans” and “Dose Republicans” and “Dem Republicans” and “axing a question” and thanking two guests referring to “boff of you” and, my favorite one: “Pwesident Obama”.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
It's comparable to a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders...
Just saying...
I could care less if Romney offends California. California is a great example of life under the direction of liberals. Tax rates through the roof, cities declaring bankruptcy, the perfect example of how liberal government has failed. Although there are plenty of California liberals sheltering their money in Nevada, just everyone else need to pay their fair share. Just look at the crop of politicians California sends to Washington like Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters. What a bunch of clowns. As if California would ever go for Romney, better to use them as an example of where liberals are taking the country.
David Walker:
Thank you for your shout-out. Your posts show great insights as well.
Feisty,
It's very simple. I work in a law office, no I'm not an attorney, but I work with attorneys and there is an old saying in the legal profession.
If the facts are on your side, you pound the facts. If the facts are NOT on your side, you pound the table.
That's what the RWNJ's are doing, pounding the table. They don't like or trust Romney, but they are stuck with him. They can't think of anything relevant or positive to say about their candidate, so, they pound the President.
But here's what I'm taking away from this.
Romney is really struggling. Despite having more money and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh all campaigning for him. He's struggling to define himself. It's his own fault. He doesn't know who he is. He changes his position every day. One day he's the mind behind Romneycare. The next day it's socialized medicine and BAD for America. One day he's a progressive and soft on gays, the next days he a raging hetero vehemently opposed to gay marriage or any kind of equal rights for gay couples.
Now, it looks like he's going to surrender the debate on the Affordable Health Care act to the President with the simple statement that he'll repeal it on his first day. WHA????
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It must suck to be Mitt Romney. His own party doesn't trust him or want him.
Sad, really. Poor little rich boy. But not even his millions can buy him the Presidency. Let us pause and shed a tear for the poor man.
Ok, let's not.
Obama/Biden 2012
Only someone totally unfamiliar with CA would post that, Rick.
That's so nice. So it appears you're unconcerned about the long term unemployed, the doubling of people on public assistance, and the massive public debt your children will inherit from our generation. I guess some would call that greedy, or perhaps you just lack compassion.
Hey, but at least you got yours. Congrats!
@Ron -- According to your list, Obama is not fit to be POTUS.
You can point at California and say "this is all because of liberal policy", but it was the "Governator" that was in there last and made it all worse.
Republicans talk a good game, but none of it works out.
"Tax cuts lead to more jobs" = Fail
"Cut the debt and create jobs" = Fail (look at England)
"Give more money to the rich and create jobs" = Fail.
All cutting revenues has done is lead to the fiscal crisis. Republicans make Bill Clinton look like a genius everyday.
Four California cities went bankrupt, the state in 16 billion in the hole, sanctuary cities violate federal law, the Chinese will be repairing bridges in the state, huge presence of gangs, etc..... Yea there's a problem with California. Is Obama paying for the condoms you use when you're in bed with him?
Continued from above
In January of 2008, the Democratic race for the presidential nomination was well under way and South Carolina was due to hold their primary at the end of the month. In the weeks leading up to January, Hillary Clinton maintained a double digit lead in the polls over both of her nearest rivals, Barack Obama and John Edwards. As January approached however, Obama began closing fast. Most of the "experts" believed that, given the large African-American population in South Carolina, Obama would ultimately win the primary with little difficulty.
In the first week of January, the race between Clinton and Obama was a statistical dead heat, but something was beginning to change. Obama was losing his momentum and seemed unable to pull ahead of Clinton. In fact, by ever so slight a margin, Clinton was actually starting to pull away from Obama. What had happened was Hillary had deployed her "secret weapon" Bill Clinton, who had begun campaigning for her in the rural areas of the state. While Obama maintained a substantial lead among African-American voters, Clinton's numbers with them began to edge up slightly.
Maybe understanding what a pivotal moment they were at, the Obama campaign became desperate and did what was arguably the most politically cynical thing they had done so far, they played the race card. Bill Clinton, in an event in New Hampshire made the now infamous remark "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen...". While in context he was clearly referring to Obama's contention that an anti-war speech he had given in 2004 made his position on the the Iraq war much clearer than Hillary's, despite the fact that his Senate votes and some of the statements he had made since that time would indicate otherwise.
Nevertheless, the Obama campaign saw their oppurtunity and immediately pounced. The comment was now twisted to mean that it was the Clintons' belief that the possibility of an African-American man attaining the highest office in the land was a "fairy tale". Apparently, this was effective as Obama went on to win the primary in South Carolina by a huge margin. Many, including myself, believe that this was the turning point in the Democratic primaries of 2008.
As you can see, Obama is no stranger to the "low road" in politics. While I understand people voting for him in 2008 when they knew little about him--given his abysmal record in office and his dubious political background--I just can't understand why anybody would want to vote to re-elect him. How is it possible that anyone could mistake him for anything but the obvious fraud that he is? I'm sure you've all heard the saying:
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
Romney 2012
Ron......that is one great post. Well done.
It speaks to the old Indian pearl of wisdom, until you walk a mile in my moccasins...........
Romney has no sense of empathy none whatsoever.
Having wealth is not an impediment to understanding how others live, but a bad case of narcissism will deprive the self centered of any kind of understanding.
Bill:
Now you know what Obama has had to deal with for the last 3+ years. How does it feel? Is it an appropriate political tactic?
Fool:
How were the signatures disqualified? A challenge does not disqualify signatures, some other body or panel does that in response to the challenge. Were they on the Obama payroll? I don't think so.
"Never named the source" and "Although there isn't any direct evidence". That's some crack reporter you're referencing there Fool! Tabloid material.
BTW - could you cite your sources?
Ron Indiana
David Walker:
Thank you for your shout-out. Your posts show great insights as well.
___________________
Why don't you two just take it to a motel room.
LOL!!!
Eric #'s:
Best. Idea. Ever!!!!!!
This would result in maybe 3 ads being aired between now and the election!!! :-)
WCA, you hear that Obama personally approved the cancer ad? That's a good one. Glad you have the great secret source of all truth.
Frankly, I'm feeling better and better all the time. Democrats are finally showing some cajones, and there's Romney deciding there might be a benefit to him to accept there are some good things about the ACA--like pre-exiting conditions, availablility for all, etc--the things that were in HIS law.
Sure, things are much better now in California. So much better that they can afford to build a high speed rail train at a cost of $100 billion, one that goes nowhere.
California, just like the federal government - A state know for its high-speed spending.
Skip,
For some strange reason, I picture them holding their breath and stomping their feet while doing just that! lol
They sure are in a frenzy lately...
It's a good sign when they grow nastier & more desperate by the day!
It has to be difficult coming to the realization that the black man in going to inhabit their white house for 4 more years...
4 MORE FOR 44!
Hey SmBusOwner
Somebody told me. It is a fact.
(man you guys are easy)
that the black man
Feisty, why are you a racist?
David great insights, and agree on Ron's post.
Sometimes the silly things really stand out in the right wing spin. One that is coming to me now is the one you mention on arugula.
Arugula is something that just grows wild in a lot of countries like Italy and England, where it is called "rocket".
Just a plant growing wild like dandelion leaves. But GOP-ers ignore the really big giant pressing lifeordeath issues - and then nitpick about any old thing and think we won't notice.
Fools Gold is peddling fools gold. Can you back up your statements Fool? Better be careful here.
Bill in Fairfax writes drivel. To compare a statement about tax returns to the McCarthyism stuff proves it. Ten steps too far Bill. Perhaps you should read Dana Millbanks op-ed piece in WaPo today on the Republicans and McCarthyism.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/08/Obamas-Top-Ten-Audacious-Lies
Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA
Another great idea would be if the media reported the conclusions of so-called fact checkers that went against Republicans as eagerly as they like to use them against Obama. An AP article in today's Houston Chronicle mentioned Romney's latest race-baiting lie about how Obama supposedly wants to give out welfare checks without any work requirements. Of course, the AP wouldn't dare call it the race-baiting lie that it is.
The article did report the Obama campaign's rebuttal to Romney's lie, to make it a he-said-he-said story. And to conclude their story, they gave the final word to that well-known impeccable source of truth: Newt Gingrich, who of course said Romney was correct. Well, when the AP wants an expert in race baiting, Newt's their guy.
Amen Feisty, all my best, as always.
Obama/Biden 2012
Fools Gold needs to give proper attribution to the author, otherwise he committed plagiarism.
Can you back up your statements Fool
Silly, silly DCIA.
Don't you know now with the precedent set by Harry Reid and endorsed by Nancy Pelosi, no one, and I mean NO ONE, has to back up anything they say any more.
Thanks Libbies for setting the bar so damn low.
Blearyhead:
Everything I wrote about is common knowledge. As for citing my sources, I am still unable to create links here, so you'll have to get off your dead *ss and do some research yourself.
elliot-3020456
You mean the Republicons' top ten most repulsive lies about Obama (and why the gullible Obama haters believe them even when they've been debunked by fact checkers).
Keck - Get off this nonsense, will you?
At no point in that add is it even implied that Romney murdered a woman. That is a sick and twisted version of reality which is typical of folks on the losing side of an argument. What is very clear is the woman's husband stating the he didn't think Willard Myth Romney cared, which I would agree is true. Remember, he's not worried about the poor.
So, please Keck, keep it real, will you?
Houston - Another great idea would be if the media reported the conclusions of so-called fact checkers that went against Republicans as eagerly as they like to use them against Obama
Or as they say at the DDI --
WWWWAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
@Skip -- It's not that we don't like or trust Mitt Romney. It's we are disappointed that he has not yet met the vile scum, low-life SOBs on here and the Obama thugs who care nothing about the law and fight them head on. Most of the left on here are the lowest form of human life -- cowards who hide behind a computer screen -- but the political reality is there are no rules in a political fight.
Mr. Romney -- Stand up and fight. This scum is attacking the American way of life. This scum is attacking our right to live our lives as we choose. This scum is attacking your and your party's integrity. This scum is attacking you. This scum is attacking your wife. This scum is attacking your family. This scum is attacking your religion. This scum is even attacking the laws of this land.
Another 360,000 plus filed for unemployment this week. This is killing this country's way of life and economic well being. This is happening while the biggest liar, shyster, socialist, communist bred president this land -- this world -- has ever seen has played more than 100 rounds of golf and attended over 200 fund raisers. WTF!!!!!!!!!!
You have all the ammunition to defeat this miserable MFer of a president. USE IT!!!!!!!!! You have a great and successful life and career. Screw these people on here and the pieces of sh!t on MSNBC and the main stream media. This scum accused you of killing someone's wife and your surrogates talk about Romneycare??????? WTF???? This administration is blatantly breaking federal law -- call it a felony -- by coordinating with Burton. Stephanie Cutter was caught in a LIE!!!!!!! Fricking use it.
You will not win by being a McCain nice guy. By saying "my friends" into the TV monitor. By not allowing an announcer to use the president's given name (or at least the one he is using now) Barack Hussein Obama.
All of the counter can be done with a refute of the lies on here and from the administration and then gut and head shots to Obama exposing his failed record. Please stand up and fight.
YOU still have to give proper credit or don't POST it!
What you are doing is plagiarism and it's a huge NO-NO around here!
This from the queen of the cut and paste minions in the kingdom of FR. Although, I will give them credit. At least when it is obviously someone elses thoughts, they do cite a source.
White Collar Auto
I don't know what your incomprehensible crap is supposed to mean, but it does remind me that I forgot to mention that the AP article failed to mention that the Politifact found Romney's claim to be FALSE. It used Newt Gingrich for its "fact checker" instead to prop up Romney's hateful lie.
Hey Feisty, who the hell made you the freaking board monitor?
If it is such a breach of the COH why don't you report it?
That would be hilarious. The biggest COH offender on this board reporting someone.
Hypocrite.
and White Collar dont forget the *popcorn*
Liberals always in another plane of exisitence
WCA -- That's the problem with Republicans, they can only dish it out but have a hard time when the tables are turned. Harry Reid can and does speak for himself. Go talk to Harry if you have a problem with what he said. I'm not Harry Reid. WHO SET THE BAR SO LOW? REPUBLICANS, a long long time ago.
Feisty -- Fools Gold is in some trouble if she's plagiarizing.
Fool has proven herself to be a FOOL. Delete those posts now please!
Same to you, Mrs. Skip & of course the girlz! :o)
She just admitted it!
Oh my goodness, the little bees are growing angrier by the minute! lol
Might be a good time for them to look into some anger management classes, with the number of them, I'm sure they would qualify for a group discount!
look at the libbies. Wetting themselves first thing this morning.
I figured NBC has strict policy on making shlt up so Fools Gold should be in the ok if it were indeed false.
Democrats and Obamatards have labeled Romney as:
This campaign wreaks of desperation and deflection.
How's the ECONOMY Democrats and Obamatards?
What you are doing is plagiarism and it's a huge NO-NO around here!
Feisty:
Every word in my posts, I wrote. When I quote somebody, I give them credit. I did not cut and paste anything and in fact wrote the part about the Democratic primaries almost entirely from memory. The few times I used google, it was to verify names and dates, and I'm not going to source that type of information. If you think I plagiarized something, I challenge you to prove it.
Genius Move of the week (month): Dirty Harry claims source knows Romney paid no taxes in 10 years. I didn't think the left had balls but it looks like a gun fight folks (Rove V Reid). Weren't you tired of the left playing soft? Never heard so much whine since Obama beat McCain (or since HC passed or since HC was "Just-i-fied"). We got ourselves a school yard brawl! Excellent!
fools gold, the kuklos of libbies in here are nothing short of being the knights of white camelia save perhaps white supremacy.
Look at their Grand Pooba Feisty.
Fools Gold, no need to explain your self to Feisty.
She is an Old Dog that is all Bark and no Bite.
Best to just let her bark herself out.
Feisty - wow! The little right wingers came out in force this morning, didn't they - yet they still say absolutely nothing.
Romney cannot expand the map because he has nothing to offer anyone except the few ignorant - let's go backward - people he's already captured. That's it. The rest know he has no plans except for a very few people. And, not all of the wealthy want him either. Many have way too much integrity to vote for such a loser.
I find it soooooo interesting that Elliot posts his long laundry list but has absolutely nothing bad to say about the garbage the GOP is flinging at President Obama. How very "hypocritical."
I find it interesting that JAS is suddenly concerned with long term unemployment but will vote the same sorry Republicans into office that have blocked every attempt President Obama has made to help lower that number. How very strange.
Ben - your lack of ANY interest in the truth is amazing but that's all we've seen from you. The GOP again blocked voting on the jobs bill that would have encouraged companies to bring jobs back from overseas and would increase taxes on companies that insist on outsourcing jobs. But, you don't really care about that do you?
IR, Backhouse, Ron, David Walker and Feisty - great posts, as usual.
Obama/Biden 2012
looky now, seeking joined the kuklos jerk
@Air Brush -- Hate??? No not hate but I'm mad. Bigoted? There wasn't a racist word in my post. Your hypocritical low integrity attitude of calling someone else out for hate and ignorance by displaying it yourself is beneath contempt -- but that is the way of the scum on here and the Obama administration. Gov. Romney and his advisors need recognize that and fight back and fight back hard.
@Seeking -- at least this time you didn't respond with the usual, so I will respond. I do watch all networks. I DVR and I flip back and forth between networks (as annoying Shultz and Maddow are I listen but Sharpton and McDonnel I can't stomach) and read all publications and both left and right websites. I have sought the truth and I have found my truth to be different than yours. I also do not buy into the characterization as to the legislation you mention. Fancy titles don't make good law.
I would like to remind Rick (bunch of numbers) that California did not get into its financial mess because of liberal Democrats, but rather because of a Right Wing Nut Job named Howard Jarvis who with his wealthy Orange County buddies put Proposition 13 on the ballot many years ago and convinced the electorate that taxes were a bad thing. It hamstrings the state legislature and local governments and keeps them from being adequately funded.
Here in Washington we have our own version, Timmy Eyeman, who has placed multiple issues before the voters... and over 80% have been ruled unconstitutional (Thank you Washington Supreme Court)
It is this idea that taxes are a bad thing that oozes out of the Right Wing that are the root of the problems facing state and local governments today. Taxes are NOT a bad thing. They are a necessary thing to continue this great country.
BEN numbers is right. Romney is taking a beat down. BEAT DOWN!!! But he already took that beat down from McCain and Juliani. They wrote (literally) the book on that years ago. In fact, here's a question: How did the guy who lost to the guy that is currently president get nominated to run for GOP candidate? It's not rock paper scissors. It was rock, rock, rock.
Ben - the last paragraph of your rant should get you investigated by the Secret Service - at best. Threatening the President of the United States if a felony - even if you don't follow through on it.
I knew President Obama had a bad relationship with congressional Democrats, but with coal miners?
@Air Brushed Repube
The Tea Party has really got to you? I would calm down before the blood vessels in your head explodes.
Anyone know why Dirty Harry Reid made his claim on the Senate floor?
That's so he could not be sued for slander since what happens in the Congress is the doing the bidding of the government and is not considered an attack from an individual.
I hope Harry contracts genital warts on his lips.
@Seeking -- It is boxing terminology. This is a fight. Sheesh.
Ben - no - it's not when talking about the President of the United States. Had this been said about Bush you'd be hitting the ceiling. It is a direct threat on the President and I hope the Secret Service starts knocking on your door today!
Bill in Fairfax-
You wax eloquent about Harry Reid's lack of decency, and compare his accusation about Romney to McCarthyism.
I won't waste time defending the indefensible, I would just like to know when you became such a crusader for fair treatment and decency.
When Republicans accused President Obama of being born in Kenya and not Hawaii, did you rally to his defense? Did you express your disdain over Romney not publically disagreeing with Trump about this, even after a birth certificate was issued?
How about when fraud was committed to obtain President Obama's social security number then use it without his permission to run background checks and job screenings, all in an attempt to prove the "birther conspiracy"? Did you write a long post about that?
When Republicans claimed he was a Muslim or a "Kenyan Colonist", did you express your outrage? "How dare they bring religion into a presidential contest, and make accusations without proof" you could have said. No, you remained silent.
You even mention the incident, but why are you not writing expansive prose about President Obama being accused of enrolling as a foriegn exchange student?
Admit it - you sat by and watched the Republicans question President Obama's citizenship, patriotism, religion and ethics - all without proof - and said nothing.
You reserve your outrage for what? Did Harry Reid accuse Romney of a crime, question his patriotism in a McCarthy-like fashion, or denigrate his religion? Did he accuse Romney of being a Communist, Socialist, or Fascist? No, Harry Reid repeated a rumour that Romney legally paid no taxes for ten years.
You, sir, are a hypocrite.
dumbfux @ 1.12 -- interesting question about positives for romnety.
i have asked here repeatedly for folks like yourself to help us understand why BO should be reelected. no one ever responds.
the only conclusion is you have nothing positive to say about his first 3 1/2 years so bashing anything republican or conservative is all you and the minions have. essentially your position must be that BO is just the lesser of the two evils.
An unsubstantiated smear is an unsubstantiated smear, whether it's about Commies or taxes. Try using your head for something besides a hat rack.
The only thing Romney is struggling with is all the Liberal lies. Too bad the Democrats have no platform on which to campaign on. But that's what you get when you only legislate to buy votes instead of running the country in a fiscally responsible manner. Pathetic.
Even funnier are those on this thread who are willing to repeat the lies ad nauseum as if repeating them will eventually make them true.
Great post Elliot!
NOBAMA 2012, for the good of the country!
I have reported it... Suggest you do the same!
What Bennie did was use a thinly veiled "code" to blow the dog whistle advocating violence against the President!
Typical lib, government is the only answer to jobs. We've seen how that has worked out.
But that trillion dollar stimulus, those "shovel ready jobs", those never happened? Those 400,000 jobs Biden said would be created every month, that never happened? Recovery Summer? Turning the corner? When did those happen again?
Once again SS, you are way too funny. Comical really. Must be selective memory, or a lack of one.
There’s a 1 per center here folks.
Just like the Fairy Tales you Love and adore she likes to take off her Crown, Put on Peasant cloths, and go into the streets and mingle with the Peasants and Common folk pretending to be something She’s not.
She likes to pretend she understands the Plight of the Poor and Middle class and how She’s the defender of the Poor against the Rich when it turns out She is the Rich. She likes to berate the Rich, how their not paying their “Fair Share”, How the Rich should pay more, etc.
Ask her if She’s a shill for the Democratic Party, ask her is She’s a Democrat Operative and she won’t respond. Ask her how it is that She always seems to be able to get the first post or close to it.
We know how proud She is to have flown to Las Vegas to meet Vice President Joe Biden at a High Priced fund raiser.
Tell us what it’s like to go to a $38,500 Dollar per Plate fund raiser? That’s enough money to pay the Mortgage on an average size home for Two years.
How much did it cost for Round trip tickets From Chicago to Vegas, a Luxury suite at the Luxor, Caesars Palace, Bellagio or wherever you stayed, Room Service, maybe a little shopping, drinking, gambling etc.? Maybe it was enough money to feed a family of four for a year?
What’s it like to have so much throw away cash that you can just take a trip to Las Vegas to mingle with the Rich and Powerful?
You will be writing that Political Donation off on your taxes correct? Using the same loop holes you berate the Rich for using to avoid paying taxes and paying their “Fair Share”.
Of course She won’t answer me.
She will declare I’m a Tea Bagger, Conservative, or Republican and responding to comments from "those types" of Peasants is beneath her. After all she only likes hanging out with ‘Like Minded People”. She wouldn’t want to soil her hands, risk damaging her $200 manicure, or risk getting her $1000.00 blouse dirty responding to a Peasant.
Don’t think of answering those questions as if you’re talking to a Peasant, answer them because you are talking to the 99%, Independents and Undecided voters, and why they should believe anything you have said for the last several months.
As Ricky would say “You have some splainin to do Lucy”.
Ummm TNSEVOL, can you provide us with any of my posts that would document your accustations?
Good grief. McCarthy, Reid, Dr. Ron and now you -- all peas in the same pod.
You, sir, are a lowlife leftist slug. Have a nice day.
I hope the Secret Service does come visit Ben bringing with them a gaggle of pizza, beer and hookers, what a party.
How's the Economy doing? Come on Obamatards? How bout you Fiesty?
Just wait til after the Republican Convention so that Romney can start to spend his war chest. After trouncing the Obamatards in fund raising he is going to saturate the airwaves.
Romney in landslide. Write it down.
Let's add the rest of the working class to that one too.
Excellent analogy Feisty.
LOL Fisty they aint going to take you serious, one look from the FBI on this board they'll see you're just an extension of Evo Morales. Grow up.
Davey,
I'm going to explain this to you one time only...
See, contrary to what you believe, it is I who decides who I want to engage with and NOT you! All of your trolling of me isn't going to change a thing!
Like I told you the other night, you sir, are not worthy of my time or attention!
I hope you are clear now...
You're dismissed!
That statement by the Romney spokeswoman has got to hurt the republicans. Here you have a couple that by all accounts are doing things the right way, paying their mortgage and all their bills, saving money for retirement and showing up to work every day bringing home two sources of income. And then the unexpected happens and their isnt enough money to pay for care in the "Pre-Affordable Care Act" world of US health care. Where the only place in America where this woman had a chance to service was in Mass... The state being ran by the guy who now opposes ACA...wow, the dems could not have thought up this any better. If this isnt reason to love ACA i dont know what is. What happened to this couple could happen to anyone of us. And in that set of rules, the company closing or not, the insurance plan would have probably dropped her before her care was complete.
So my point is, why are we still talking about health care when this is already a settled issue. This plan that is in place is better for citizens than anything the teabaggers can come up on their own. Only thing the tea folks can do now is come to the table with ideas in how to improve the system and not eliminate it so that some rich guys can claim deductions on show horses or 3rd and 4th homes or private get maintenance, etc... We are talking about real people!!
I challenge everyone to come up with at least one reason that's demonstrable and true why their candidate SHOULD be the next President of the United States.
I'll start with two;
General Motors is still alive.
Osama bin Laden is still dead.
Thanks Gov. Romney
If you lose your job in Mass, you still have healthcare.
Obama 2012
Ron (Obamatard) in Indiana wrote:
Ten Things Romney Must Do To Be President:
When did Obama do these things?
Dude you are pathetic in your adulation for Obama. Where is your disgust for his economy?
Feisty says "Plagiarism is a no-no around here" Are you kidding me. If plagiarism is a no-no it must have been replaced with out and out lies. Feisty says California must be offended by Romney's comments. First, I live in California and the Dems have controlled the Assembly forever, while Governors have changed from Dem to Repub the end is always the same....a tax and spend Democrat legislature that has turned the 7th largest world economy into a banana republic. Oh yeah, and now we are going to build a high speed rail system so we can all go real fast to the poor house. Look at the States that are doing well in the economy and they are led by Republicans. This cite is full of Chicago type posters and they represent one of the most corrupt states in the Union.....how many of your governors ended up in jail....no to mention local politicians.
I also think it interesting how all the other networks and online sources are discussing the collaboration between the Obama campaign and a PAC run by Bill Burton. The ad is a blatant lie and even some Dems have called it a new low. To imply that Romney had something to do with the death of someone 8 years after he left Bain is a stretch even in politics.
Romney has
- not ruined the American Economy like Obama has
- no other is needed
Its the Economy, John.
Exactly the response I was expecting and predicted.
You may not "Choose" to engage with me but I will continue to be more than happy to continue to expose you as the 1 Per Center you are.
I wonder how many or your Entourage feels silly now that they are finding out you are 1 Per Center and were blindly hanging on your every word and syllable cringing for the chance to share a thread with you?
Like I said be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.
Thank you for Graciously "Dismissing" me your Highness.
Ok Democrats and Libs, lets discuss the floundering economy?
Hey Bill in Fairfax -- Care to comment on Dana Millbanks op-ed piece in WaPo today on the Republicans and McCarthyism????
Bill,
I thought I did a pretty good job of building a case for your hypocrisy in my post. I can repeat some of it since you apparently didn't get it.
You get all righteous about what Harry Reid said but ignore the continuous Republican lies about President Obama.
You think saying someone legally didn't pay taxes is the same as calling someone a communist - but ignore those on the right who actually call President Obama a Commnist, Socialist, or Fascist almost every day!
Thomas Sowell, beloved by Conservatives, wrote a column calling President Obama a fascist. Rick Santorum compared Pres. Obama to Hitler. None of these are worthy of your outrage.
Harry Reid claims someone told him Romney didn't pay any taxes - that's what gets you all riled up? How is that not hypocritical?
Romney is a very weak and defective candidate. We all know it, and the "tea party" crazies know it. It becomes more likely each hour that "Ryan the weasel" will indeed be Romneys veep. What they want, and will have, if Romney can be elected, is a "figurehead" President with the "Vice President" directing their policy and legislation to the Congress. This brings a ponderous and perplexing question to the tea mix. Can a small goat, with a goats agenda, bear the burden of a rather large weasel, carrying the agenda of many like weasels, with the weasels claws embedded in the back of the goat, attain a viable political posture? It is quite a gamble for the tea crazies. I believe such, is a waiting catastrophe for the whole of the GOP. Of course, what I think, or any others of my ilk, will never have any bearing on the contemplations of a pack of scurrilous weasels.
Those who piss and moan about "Harry Reid's" implications would be better served, and accomplish more by "Howling at the moon" during the night, and at a photo of it during the day, or both at all times. Actually, Harry only touched upon the edge of Romney's forbidden financial boudoir, which contains much shenanigans, even revelations of greedy, gonorrheaized money stashing.
Where are your past tax returns Mittens? How much did you acquire during the bailout Mittens? What were the circumstances that allowed you to qualify for those funds?
Obama/Biden 2012!
John B -- Obama was handed a economic disaster to fix. So my pick:
Turning a negative 8.9% growth in the GDP into a positive.
Rational American: Thank you for posting my thoughts. Now people can read it twice. How dumb are you?
Hey, Feisty! Look at that! You are now officially a 1%! David Noah says so.
Ben: You would be taken far more seriously if your post were facts and not vulgarities aimed at people who do not think the way you do.
Get help.
Joe in Albany said: Why don't you two just take it to a motel room.
Joe, the next time you make me spit my coffee all over the computer screen, I'm sending you the cleaning bill! Kudos for the funniest post of the day!
Don't Carry It All-
To add to your posts, a few key facts:
Unemployment: 10.1% in October 2009, the highest rate since 1983 and roughly twice the pre-crisis rate. Since then, steadily reduced to around 8.3%
Stock Market: Dow Jones was at 6,600 in March 2009. It has since recovered - over 12,000 during most of 2011, over 13,000 in 2012.
GDP: GDP growth of 2.2% in Jan. 2008 rapidly declined to a negative growth rate of -5% in 2009. Growth rates have been positive since then to a high of 3.5% before settling to a rate of around 2% growth per quarter.
Home Values: US Home Values declined by almost 25% from Jan. 2007 thru Feb. 2012. The rate of decline slowed and homes values have increased for the last 4 months, with June reporting the first year-over-year increase since 2007.
I'll take a "slow and steady" recovery over the "crash and burn" Republican policies any day!
Fool's Gold
Blearyhead:
Everything I wrote about is common knowledge. As for citing my sources, I am still unable to create links here, so you'll have to get off your dead *ss and do some research yourself.
Fool's Gold
What you are doing is plagiarism and it's a huge NO-NO around here!
Feisty:
Every word in my posts, I wrote. When I quote somebody, I give them credit. I did not cut and paste anything and in fact wrote the part about the Democratic primaries almost entirely from memory. The few times I used google, it was to verify names and dates, and I'm not going to source that type of information. If you think I plagiarized something, I challenge you to prove it.
Bleary and Fiesty are correct about you Fool's Gold. I don't accept your inability to post links. You have not shown any ability to write original content. You want others to do the research to prove their claims against you. At best you are repeating the lies of others, at worst you are a serial liar like the man you want to vote for, and the fascist party you support. Jobs Jobs Jobs the GOP promised to get control of the house in 2010, NOT one clean jobs bill, nothing but repeated attempts to restrict abortion on a federal level. A concerted attempt to cut back drastically on Social Security and Medicare. The house even wants to gut the Department of Education.
No your positions are not common knowledge. I have told lies as a child comparable to what you are doing now and had the beatings of my life as a consequence. Consider this post a verbal spanking Fools Gold. No I am not going to respond to any challenges you issue to me. I am NOT going to give a liar more material to work with.
Ron -- That would be VERY! She's not rational either.
Get out the Welfare Vote!!!!
Yesterday I referenced the front page story in the Boston Herald about how $275,000 of taxpayer money was being spent on a mass mailing to 500,000 welfare recipients on how to register to vote along with a mail in registration form.
Interestingly, this national voter registration effort is being championed by Demos, the lefty think tank who's founder was Barrack Obama and whose board is now chaired by Amelia Warren Tyagi, the daughter of MA Senatorial candidate Elizabeth Warren.
As told in the Herald, this group has filed similar suits in nine states. In Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Louisiana officials cared enough about the integrity of the election process to fight the trumped up charges in court, rather than rolling over and playing dead.
But this is good old Taxachusetts where democrats simply can't spend enough to enroll a population destined to vote their way.
So these little Demos rat canvassers stationed themselves outside welfare offices in major cities and asked those leaving whether employees had offered them the chance to vote. Well, surprise, surprise they found some Lowell woman who said she wasn't.
So presto, a suit is filed and MA officials eagerly agreed to send out the mass mailing and to run public service announcements on radio and tv (no idea what the cost to taxpayers will be on that front).
Oh and by the way, the mass mailing has the following sentence....
"Please note that DTA (department of transitional (sure) assistance) does not verify whether or not public assistance applicants or clients are currently registered or eligible to register to vote.
Translation: We don't care if you are illegal. So to Aunt Zeituni, Uncle Omar, and the thousands of other illegals it's all aboard the freeloader train!
All this is courtesy of Lizzie Warren’s daughter and Demos and ACORN.
By the way, I’m from a rather large city in MA. Yesterday on my way to work I had to pull into the DTA and see for myself what’s going on. So after waiting several minutes for a space to open in the parking lot filled with Hummers, BMW, Chrysler 300's I went inside. The place is plastered with "register to vote, today" signs. The staff all adorned with similar buttons, “Vote 2012”. I walked away with the impression that this has always been the norm in these facilities.
Simple voter ID's laws will never stop the democrat ballot box stuffing efforts.
You can bet your life on that!
What was that about Respect?
This coming from the Red head that believes she can "dismiss" me as if I'm one of her servants.
NDD,
No kidding!
The conspiracy theories just keep on rolling... lmao!
First I'm an unemployed slug and now I'm a one percenter, I wish the could make up their mind!
One thing does remain consistant with the right wing nitwits, I continue to intimidate the @!$%# out of them! ;o)
hey Newday 'Teabagger' Dawning, are you starring in that new NBC sitcom called Pot meets Kettle?
perhaps taking your own advice would better serve you
Wade, a verbal spanking LOL. I believed he said prove that plagerized, you say he did and call that a spanking. Libtard comedy hour only at NBCNews
Questions Willards ability to not offend people then turns around and;
Do you guys actually think about what she posts?
Click on my monicker to take you to a page where I wrote about the "socialist" nonsense a few years ago. I also challenge you to show where I have ever supported other nonsense like portraying Obama as a Commie or a fascist. Oh, and I'm not a birther either. But what the hey, don't let the facts stand in the way of your narrative.
i dont think intimidate is the correct word you Harpy, more like irritate. you've been called out on your kuklos activity before because one of your cohorts couldnt lock the door on your libtardus klub house. Hurry contact Mark, ban eveyone, we've been betrayed and hacked. Yeah that was good times. youre more than likely a paid bafoon to steer the narrative at First Read. Nothing more, nothing less. You cant even debate issues, you sling mud from sty. You're dismissed little buddy
He also called President Bush a liar. Pelosi called him an idiot.
JAS - I love the fact that, when called out on your stupidity, you try to turn the tables. But, we all know you post nothing - but do it over and over again.
Too simple - really. But, you're a good little Republican woman who clearly "knows her place and her job - to post lies to support the GOP!"
Actually JAS, you'd be funny if you weren't so sad. The fact that you don't have a clue but continue to support pathetic GOP programs is really sad.
Obama/Biden 2012
How many of you guys know someone that can Afford to Fly to Vegas to meet Biden at a $38,500 per plate fundraiser that isn't Rich?
I Know all my friends and family do it all the time, Not.
You may not be responding to me directly but you are responding.
Now you have to claim its some "Conspiracy theory" while never denying you are 1 Per Center and a Democrat Operative.
Tell everyone about the wonderful time you had meeting the Vice President of the United States Joe Biden in Las Vegas?
Don't forget to "Dismiss" me again your Highness. Better yet maybe you should get one of your surrogates to do it after all that's beneath you.
Reading Millbank is just as much a waste of time as reading Krugman or Reich -- I already know what these LWNJs have to say. Perhaps if you could offer a more objective source, I might take the time to review the material. You know, an objective source like Glen Kessler who slam dunked Harry Reid.
But given your closed "mind," I won't be holding my breath. Enjoy the rest of your day, I've got work to do.
Alan,
I didn't say what Reid did was acceptable, I merely pointed out that to highlight that as the most egregious instance of lack of decency was hypocritical.
So let me get this straight - the article talks about the Obama administration pursuing the source of leaks (which the right has pressured them to do) and that is somehow wrong?
Bill.....this is your defense? Your defense that you wrote about your side calling the President of the United States a communist, socialist etc, several years ago? Have you not noticed how worse it has become? By not continually calling out the Limbaughs, the Hannitys, the Eric Ericksons and all the politicians either elected or running for office who have no respect for the Office of the President you are agreeing with them????
Silence assumes consent or agreement, if you disagree with the birthers, the haters of all stripes you need to say so....LOUD and CLEAR, other wise you are being a hypocrite in all you have to say.
TNSEVOL -- Thanks for adding more info on the economy. The GDP number I used comes from a chart Bill in Fairfax provided a while back. That figure is chained to 2005 dollars and it's for the fourth quarter in 2008. The figure in actual dollars was a negative 8.4 GDP growth for that quarter. The figure in actual dollars for the 1st quarter of 09 was a negative 5.2 in actual and in chained dollars was a negative 6.7.
I used Bill's figures cuz it would be hard for Bill to argue. Ha!
hey fatty redhead rosie have you ever had a comment that was not collapsed on here? just curious.
but Noah there is no such thing as a rich democrat, no one like Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Edwards, Kerry, Rangle.
There are no such thing like Cruise, Penn, Moore, Springstein, Clooney.
talk about hypocrite. How can you be champion of the poor when your rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams. These same azzholes that are using tax breaks and havens. Where are the occutards? go sit on the Pitts lawn for awhile.
Quit with the class-warfare libs. poor policies of our politians and gov spending are part of whats crippling the nation
@Feisty: Lady; accept it. You are popular. Even these right wing dregs would give their mealtime chairs in hell in exchange for a glimpse of your ankles. As I have said before; It's quite flattering. Additionally, I will add, appropriate. With all due respect and best wishes Ma'am. Mac
Bill in Fairfax-
Are there objective sources anymore? For every Krugman or Reich there is an equally strident Sowell or Goldberg.
I do read George Will - although I don't always I agree with him I respect his opinion. Thomas Friedman is fairly balanced. Other than that you have to read, filter, and decide for yourself.
Caeser -
How many of those names you listed are campaigning for lower taxes? How many of them own a Cayman Island investment corporations?
..and it is Bruce Springsteen, not Springstein.....
She is a paid blogger/cheer leader. She probably got to go for free.
Ceasar -- TAX MAN. Both Romney and Obama are in the 1%. BFD.
David Noah -- Your obsession should be questioned. Why do you care if Feisty is in the 1% or not? Really, what's your point? Plenty of 1%'s care and champion for the poor and middle classes BECAUSE they understand their plight.
Hey Mac, Fidel Castro is popular too but not necessarily liked
hey DCIA. thats the idea, BFD. except for your side. its cause Romney has more.
One would hope the good government of Massachusetts included picture ids for the recipients. Odd that Massachusetts thought only welfare recipients required formal state notification for them to register to vote. Others citizens of the state aren't as important?
I suppose it is irrelevant to the Attack Feisty discussion that President Obama continues to lead Romney in the polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
The anti-Feisty faction is taking out their ire on her only because Mitt's inevitable loss in November is fraying their nerves and unbalancing their already questionable sanity.
Nope Ceasar -- I could give a @!$%# what people make.
BTW -- You never answered Anna yesterday if your point of view, like Ceasar's, is to tax everyone. Is it?
Spot on Sailcat. They have nothing else.
I see the Republicans think if they delete it nobody will know Romney is a idiot.When in fact he is as dumb as the people who delete. Get over it you will lose
Gee Noah - maybe you should get off your white lazy welfare-sucking butt and go out and get a high paying job. Then you might get over this class envy tirade of yours and spend your bucks attending your preferred candidate's high-priced fundraisers. Imagine the possibilities; you could hold hands with darling Adelson, prance a little skip-to-the-loo while writing million dollar checks to Romney.
No its my point of view but that was does that have to with anything? Are you trying to link the monkier to me wanting taxes? Its a bit deeper than that but thanks for asking.
Mac - thank you for making me *blush*! I accept your good wishes & right back atcha!
Thanks Sailcat as well!
It sure is fun watching me set them off into a feedy frenzy! lol
What makes you think a 1% knows what its like to be poor?
Have they had to boil water on the stove to take a hot bath?
Have they ever sat on a public buss hoping store security doesn't come out because the clothes you and your siblings are wearing are the clothes you just put on in the store and tore the tags off because you couldn't afford to buy school clothes?
Have they ever watched their Mother cry after walking out of a grocery store because of the dirty looks other shoppers give you when you pay for your groceries with food stamps?
Have they ever Lived in slum housing where the department of health comes in every month and checks all the children's hair to see if they have Lice, there's cock roaches all over the place and you can't get rid of them because even if you manage to kill them in your apartment they just come back from all the other apartments?
Did they have to start working at 12 years old while going through school to help pay for food and rent just to help you family survive?
I care because it pisses me off when some rich Brat who has never been poor, is only on the side of the poor because somehow they think it makes them a better person and they wont have a guilty conscious for being Rich, comes in and pretends to be something their not, and acts like they are the"Savior of the Poor".
TO: Caesar Augustus- who wrote:
Ha! Why couldn't we have had this conversation BEFORE Republicans robbed the U.S. Treasury, lied us into an illegal war for control of the world's 2nd largest oil fields, and then crashed our economy down to the level of the Great Depression!
And just to make the pot sweeter, Republicans have been working non-stop for the past 3-1/2 years to stall any and all Economic Recovery efforts, because Republicans believe that treason is the only way into the White House.
Bite me.
Then let Fools Gold prove it Caesar. It's not up to me to prove or disprove anything he says. He made the claim, it's up to him to prove it. You get NO where by insulting me. You get no respect, or fear, from me. What you do get absolutely is disrespect, and a total loathing of you as a person. No RWNJ gets anything from me, except for utter unbridled, contempt for insulting me. If I were to type what you deserve it would be a violation of the code, use your imagination Caesar.
Ever since FUX NEWZ
pulled the COWARD MOVE and canned their reader's abilities to
express their opinions on a FAIR & BALANCED website ...
NBCNEWS has been OVER RUN with Right Wing Nut Jobs, Whackos & Limbaugh sycophants ....
When FUX took away THEIR ability to spew the RWNJ's ran like rats from a sinking & STINKING ship...straight to the place that is the focus of THEIR HATRED...
Ask anyone what they read most & the answer will tell you where their sympathies are...
THAT a majority of CONSERVATIVES now reside HERE fulltime is an indication of the lack of CONFIDENCE they have in THE CANDIDATE THEY CHOSE....
The anger over their OWN FAILURE AGAIN in choosing a candidate that has ANY VIABILITY is palpable.
What kind of mental midgetness does it take to run a RICH DRAFT DODGER who hid in FRANCE for POTUS after a WAR HERO failed to reach the top ?
Watching the GOP FRACTURE & DE-EVOLVE is an amazing sight to witness, almost exactly the same as when I watched McCARTHY IMPLODE in the '50's & NIXON IMPLODE in the '70's .
Come November, the RWNJ's are going to adjusting to FAILURE AGAIN... only THIS TIME it will be inescapable & obvious that the FAILURE is SQUARELY on THEIR OWN SHOULDERS & their distraction with the fringe, who promised them results !
The GOP is as alive & VIABLE as their candidate is, when Bishop Willard slips underwater & fails to suck air any longer we can all expect the GOP to crumble...
YOU CONSERVATIVES FAILED YOURSELVES & YOUR COUNTRY AGAIN.... what kind of "patriotism" is it when all you ever do is run FAILURES for office ?
of FEAR BECAUSE LIBERALS HAD BECOME THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONDENTS
... A dropped connection caused the above to be partially scrambled, sorry, but there was nothing I could do to right the situation.
Hey, Rob in Mass: why are you critical of the name the "teabaggers" gave themselves?
I give them the respect of the name they chose.
Can't help it if it bugs you.
Rutro Obamatards.
Its the economy, stupid!
Its not Romney's economy. Its Barrack's economy, the @!$%#tee student from Occidental College who somehow got into Columbia where no one remembers him and then somehow got into Harvard (Probably because he registered as a foreigner.)
And you defend him.
Material wealth is not everything. I am a poor man when it comes to money, but a powerhouse mentally, using my mind, I have opened doors that were shut to me a decade ago. Today I am a USF student who has to watch every penny, I will not always be poor, no matter how much I am worth after my doctorate, yes I am going to go that far, I will never forget what it means to be dirt grubbing poor.
Mitt Romney was NEVER poor, as smart as he is he has nothing in common with the 99 percent.
And yet... there she is... responding to him!
HAHAHAHA!!!
What a tard!
Ceasar -- Just trying to figure out where you stand.
David Noah -- At least understand the plight of the poor. You should now try focusing your words on the 'Banksters" that steal money from the poor and middle classes.
Rational AmeriCAN
Sooo, when we were in a recession Obama's first day in office our economy wasn't ruined. Please tell me you were joking with that moronic post.
You'll see
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in Romney's Campaign
when he releases
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* not sure if it will expand or contract
Why should I Play the victim and blame "Banksters" or anyone else for that matter?
Why should I spend my life believing that I have no control over my life and its everyone else's fault when things go bad?
Did the Banks force people to take out loans on Homes they couldn't afford to make the payments on?
Did the banks make you take a credit card and run it up until it was full then run out and get another one and run it up?
Do the Banks make you do business with them?
When people aren't willing to take responsibility for their own actions and choices you can tell because they are always looking for someone or something else to blame.
Rational American, it is NOT O'bama's economy it is the GOP's economy. Rasmussen has always been in the pocket of the hard right wing.
Romney's Personal Image Remains Negative
Obama Leads Nationwide, But Closer Race in Swing States
Overview
2012 Election Voter Preference Trends
Track voter preferences for Obama vs. Romney overall and by demographic group.
By a 52% to 37% margin, more voters say they have an unfavorable than favorable view of Mitt Romney. The poll, conducted prior to Romney’s recent overseas trip, represents the sixth consecutive survey over the past nine months in which his image has been in negative territory. While Romney’s personal favorability improved substantially between March and June – as Republican voters rallied behind him after the primary season ended– his image has again slipped over the past month.
Barack Obama’s image remains, by comparison, more positive – 50% offer a favorable assessment of the president, 45% an unfavorable one. Even so, Obama’s personal ratings are lower than most presidential candidates in recent elections.
A review of final pre-election surveys of voters since 1988 finds that all candidates enjoyed considerably higher personal ratings going into the final days of their campaigns than does Mitt Romney currently. In fact, only three, Michael Dukakis in 1988, George H.W. Bush in 1992 and Bob Dole in 1996, were not rated favorably by a majority of voters. Obama’s current ratings also are lower than the pre-election ratings of most other recent presidential candidates.
The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted July 16-26, 2012, among 2,508 adults, including 1,956 registered voters, finds that, in keeping with his favorability advantage, Obama continues to hold a sizable lead over Romney in the election contest. Currently, 51% say they support Obama or lean toward him, while 41% support or lean toward Romney. This is largely unchanged from earlier in July and consistent with polling over the course of this year. Across eight Pew Research Center surveys since January, Obama has led Romney by between four and 12 percentage points.
To track the presidential race over time – among all voters and among key voting blocs – see our new election interactive.
Obama holds only a four-point edge (48% to 44%) across 12 of this year’s key battleground states. While the data does not allow a state-by-state analysis, the overall balance of support in these closely contested states has remained level in recent months, with Obama slightly ahead, but neither candidate holding a significant advantage.
The relative stability of this race can be seen within most voting blocs as well. Whites have consistently favored Romney over Obama, while minority support for Obama has held relatively steady. As has been the case all year, women favor Obama by a wide margin; currently 56% of women support Obama, while 37% back Romney. Men are more evenly divided (46% Obama, 47% Romney). Obama’s support among voters under 30 remains strong (58% vs. 34% for Romney in the current survey), while voters 65 and older are divided (49% Romney vs. 45% Obama).
The battle for independent voters remains tight. The current survey finds that 45% of independents back Romney and 43% Obama, which is virtually unchanged from earlier in July. Over the course of the year, independent support has wavered, with neither candidate holding a consistent advantage.
Both candidates have nearly universal backing within their party: Nine-in-ten Democrats support Obama and an identical share of Republicans support Romney. Obama’s overall edge at this point is based on the healthy advantage in overall party identification that Democrats have enjoyed in recent years.
But it is unclear whether the Democrats’ advantage in party identification will benefit Obama on Election Day. Romney supporters continue to say they have given more thought to this election than Obama supporters – a key measure of voter engagement. This is consistent with the Pew Research Center’s June study that found that the GOP holds the early edge across a wide range of turnout indicators. (For more, see “GOP Holds Early Turnout Edge, But Little Enthusiasm for Romney,” June 21, 2012.)
Candidate Favorability in Historical Perspective
Currently, slightly more voters have a favorable (50%) than unfavorable (45%) opinion of Barack Obama. Though there are still more than three months to go before the election, Obama’s current favorability ratings compare poorly with the final pre-election ratings for previous Democratic candidates. Not since Michael Dukakis in 1988 has a Democratic candidate gone into the election with favorability ratings as low as Obama’s are today.
Romney faces a more daunting challenge, as more voters say they have an unfavorable (52%) than favorable (37%) opinion of him. The only prior presidential candidates to be viewed negatively going into the election were George H.W. Bush in October 1992 and Bob Dole in October 1996.
Whether these candidates can improve their personal images between now and Election Day remains an open question. In 2008, Barack Obama’s favorability ratings rose from summer
to fall. In 1992, Bill Clinton came out of the Democratic primaries with relatively poor favorability ratings, which improved in the run-up to the Democratic Convention in July. Clinton’s ratings slipped in October, but remained in positive territory.
But favorable ratings for some presidential candidates declined as the election approached. In 1996, Bob Dole’s favorability fell from 53% to 43% between June and October. And in July 1988, 57% of voters viewed Michael Dukakis favorably. That declined to 48% in October of that year.
Views of Candidates: Undecided Voters, Supporters and Opponents
In the new survey, 7% of registered voters say they don’t favor or lean toward Obama or Romney at this point. Neither candidate is particularly appealing to these undecided voters: More hold an unfavorable opinion of Romney than a favorable opinion by a 57% to 18% margin. And only about a third (31%) of undecided voters view Obama favorably.
This stands in stark contrast to the fall of 2008 and 2004, when undecided voters, on balance, liked both the major party candidates. Based on surveys conducted in September and October of 2008, both Obama and John McCain were viewed more favorably than unfavorably by at least two-to-one margins.
The lack of enthusiasm for the 2012 candidates reaches beyond undecided voters. Currently, 79% of Romney voters have a favorable impression of him, while 12% report an unfavorable impression. This compares with an overwhelming 97% favorability rating for George W. Bush among his supporters in the fall of 2004 and a 96% favorable rating for McCain among his supporters in the fall of 2008.
Obama voters are more positive about their candidate. Nine-in-ten voters (91%) who support Obama have a favorable impression of him, though that is down from 98% among his supporters four years ago.
Even more notable is the overwhelmingly unfavorable opinion that voters have of the candidate they are voting against. Fully 93% of Romney supporters say they have an unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama. By comparison, in the fall of 2008 just 68% of McCain voters offered an unfavorable opinion of Obama, while 29% viewed him favorably.
This pattern also is seen among Obama supporters: 84% view Romney unfavorably, compared with 70% who expressed an unfavorable opinion of McCain the fall of 2008.
Romney's Personal Image Remains Negative
Obama Leads Nationwide, But Closer Race in Swing States
About the Survey
The analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted July 16-26, 2012 among a national sample of 2,508 adults, 18 years of age or older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia (1,505 respondents were interviewed on a landline telephone, and 1,003 were interviewed on a cell phone, including 531 who had no landline telephone). The survey was conducted by interviewers at Princeton Data Source and Universal Survey under the direction of Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Interviews were conducted in English and Spanish.
A combination of landline and cell phone random digit dial (RDD) samples were used; both samples were provided by Survey Sampling International. Both the landline and cell RDD samples were stratified by county based on estimated incidences of African-American and Hispanic adults, and counties with higher densities of African-American and Hispanic adults were oversampled. The final sample is weighted to correct for this disproportionate sampling. Respondents in the landline sample were selected by randomly asking for the youngest adult male or female who is now at home. Interviews in the cell sample were conducted with the person who answered the phone, if that person was an adult 18 years of age or older. For detailed information about our survey methodology, see http://people-press.org/methodology/
The sample was divided into three racial/ethnic groups (Hispanics, non-Hispanic African Americans, and non-Hispanic whites/other race) for weighting; each group was weighted using an iterative technique that matches gender, age, education, nativity (among Hispanics) and region to parameters within each racial/ethnic group from the March 2011 Current Population Survey (CPS). The combined sample was then weighted to match gender, age, race, Hispanic origin and nativity, education and region to parameters from the March 2011 CPS and to match population density to a parameter from the Decennial Census. The sample also is weighted to match current patterns of telephone status and relative usage of landline and cell phones (for those with both), based on extrapolations from the 2011 National Health Interview Survey. The weighting procedure also accounts for the disproportionate sampling, adjusts for household size among respondents with a landline phone, and accounts for the fact that respondents with both a landline and cell phone have a greater probability of being included in the combined sample. Sampling errors and statistical tests of significance take into account the effect of weighting. The following table shows the sample sizes and the error attributable to sampling that would be expected at the 95% level of confidence for different groups in the survey:
Sample sizes and sampling errors for other subgroups are available upon request.
In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.
Battleground states were identified using ratings for each state from late May to early June from: The Cook Political Report, MSNBC, The New York Times, Real Clear Politics, Karl Rove, CNN, Pollster.com, and the Washington Post. The ratings by these different groups yield 12 battleground states (rated as tossup or lean Republican or Democrat) and 39 safe states, including Washington, D.C. Battleground states are: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. Solid or likely Republican states are: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming. Solid or likely Democratic states are: California, Delaware, Washington D.C., Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.
http://www.people-press.org/2012/08/02/romneys-personal-image-remains-negative/
Polling Data
PollDateSampleMoEObama (D)Romney (R)Spread
RCP Average
7/11 - 8/8
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--
47.5
44.0
Obama +3.5
Rasmussen Tracking
8/6 - 8/8
1500 LV
3.0
43
47
Romney +4
Gallup Tracking
8/2 - 8/8
3050 RV
2.0
47
45
Obama +2
Reuters/Ipsos
8/2 - 8/6
1014 RV
3.4
49
42
Obama +7
Democracy Corps (D)
7/21 - 7/25
700 LV
3.7
50
46
Obama +4
Pew Research
7/16 - 7/26
1956 RV
3.2
51
41
Obama +10
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl
7/18 - 7/22
1000 RV
3.1
49
43
Obama +6
FOX News
7/15 - 7/17
901 RV
3.0
45
41
Obama +4
CBS News/NY Times
7/11 - 7/16
942 RV
3.0
46
47
Romney +1
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Romney beat O'bama in two of 7 polls. Big f'ing deal.
@Mister Fids: You did great! I love your style. Be looking for you. Thanks and regards
If ObamaCare is so good for the country....
Why have so many of Barry's supporters been EXCLUDED from the TAX?
Why isn't Congress, the President & their families part of the SAME PLAN?
Dont_carry_it_all
Ceasar -- Just trying to figure out where you stand.
No you're not.
David Noah -- Really, you need to educate yourself. Start with the TARP, move on to QE, LIBOR, MMD(TM3) etc. They STEAL money. If you're not willing to be intellectually honest about anything then I have no more to say here.
Oh yes I am Ceasar!
Now you just got me pissed. California has gone through some hard times, but a lot of it is because of you right-wingers. Prop 13 did NOTHING to help the state; all it did was cut education funding for schools and created gridlock in Sacramento!! And I want to know the idiots who put the balanced budget amendment in the California Constitution; THAT is why our taxes are so high. Because every damn year when the budget needs to be balanced (even during a recession), we have to cut spending and raise taxes, which makes the state economy tank. So don't act like this is all our fault; you conservatives helped turn California into Mississippi.
Whoa, hold on there. Where did Obama attack Ann Romney??? Where did Obama say that he wants to control Americans lives??? Where the hell did Obama and the Democrats attack Romney's family or his religion??? And as for the GOP's integrity, THEY HAVE NO INTEGRITY. None of them. Most of them are Tea Party extremists who want to send America back to the Dark Ages and will bring Hell on Earth to do it. Everybody else (including John McCain) are a bunch of spineless weasels who let their party get taken over by right-wing extremists, both in the 1990s and in 2009.
First of all, presidents have a right to vacation and raise funds (and considering the rise of Super-PACs, that became inevitable). Secondly, the main reason why our economy is slow is because of the GOP. Not because of Democrats, but because of the GOP. Every time the Democrats try to pass a bill to help the economy that is essentially watered down for Republicans, they filibuster it in unison. Why??? Because they are traitors; every one of them. 15 of 'em planned the sabotage of the U.S. government on Obama's freaking inauguration day!!! If the GOP had a shred of dignity, they wouldn't have made so many filibusters; they would have worked with the Democrats to solve our problems, and would have accepted things like higher revenues for deficit reduction or additional spending for economic stimulus. But no, they didn't.
Hey, he used Bain to highlight his economic prowess; it's only fair that it shall be vetted.
I will agree that the ad about the death of a wife was uncalled for; I oppose it, and I think other people on the left do as well.
Hmm, didn't Romney break a Wisconsin law when he and Paul Ryan bought food for members of a campaign rally????
Do we really have to go using the full name??? Really??? Since when does an announcer have to listen to the whims of one candidate???
Romney cannot stand and fight because he has nothing to stand for. He's lied about his career, about his governorship in Massachusetts (does raising taxes and fees sound "severely conservative??"), and has constantly changed his beliefs just to fit the situation. Romney has no backbone and no integrity; this guy has the guts to both disregard his own father's tradition, his own words (like the blind trust issue), and the right of the American people to know about his personal life. When he ran for president, he should have known that people would want to know about his tax returns. This guy has the arrogance to go up to the American people and say "I am running for president, which will give me the power to influence your lives, but I will not show you my past because you don't deserve it." And YOU and your right-wing bastards have the gall to go up and accuse Harry Reid of being Joseph McCarthy when several of your own damn legislators (Steve King among them) accused the president of being a foreigner and unfit for office!!!!
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Thanny, RA was not kidding with his/her moronic post
Caesar, you have been throwing verbal stones at every one you disagree with in this post, and you have the gall to be indignant when people throw stones back at your glass house?
Hi Freshieee great writing here. I would like to add you to my friends list, you are free to refuse of course.
I love the points that Airbrush and others have made about the disparity of Rommeys life compared to the working person, and yes like it or not they do have to work righty's. It just doesn't seem to work out correctly that since Americans haven't gotten raises for more than 8-10 years while the top end keeps getting record incomes. As a stockholder in a few corp. I am really dissapointed in Boards of Directors taking money from the stockholders (dividends) and plastering it on the CEO. All at a time while companies have record cash reserves (we are in a recession????) or making record profits (banks). There is something very wrong with this picture people, do you get it?
Don't play the victim; but you have to admit that the irresponsibility on Wall Street caused the economic meltdown.
Do you REALLY think that is what we liberals think??? REALLY??? The fact is, humans have a lot of control over their lives; but there are numerous aspects that are completely out of their control.
In many cases, the banks tricked people into buying subprime mortgages or used appealing data like the rise of housing prices to entice them. Some were irresponsible, but many were just bought and sold by big banks.
Actually, the development of the credit card coincides with the era of stagnant middle class wages; credit had always existed, but during the postwar boom people used savings more often due to rising wages and broad prosperity. But after the stagflation of the 1970s, government policies were put into place that hurt unions and broke down the postwar institutions that encouraged companies to increase wages. The stagnation of wages forced many people to rely on credit, although many Baby Boomers had lost the sense of financial responsibility that their parents had after the Depression.
Considering the fact that there are only a few big and reputable banks in America, the banking oligopoly influences you to go to a reputable bank.
That, my friend, is the essence of human nature. We are an imperfect race, with our own set of flaws and defects. But the American people are responsible for letting their leaders brainwash them into thinking that the government can do all these great things while cutting taxes for everyone. And now, we must pay for our own mistakes, and those of our fathers...
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
swallow -- if you look around at other news sources you will see that business is confused about current economic policy coming from this administration. rather than invest in resources including new-hires they continue to sit on the sidelines to see what happens.
if obama wins then things will straighten out including job losses at companies with just over 50 employees so that they can avoid the onerous obamacare taxes and regulations; as dodd-frank continues to add regulation business will be stifled because they cannot figure out what the government wants; and the current 1100 pages of regulations to determine if someone is a qualified borrower will likely to expanded further.
if romney wins business will begin hiring and investing since they know there will be a president that respects business especially when compared to the current president who clearly despises business as is well-documented in his own words and deeds.
The Obamatards have spewed every level of muck they can think of at Romney.
In the end,
Has nothing to do with Romney's taxes, his like or dislike of women, his tenure at Bain Capital, or anything to do with him.
This is Obama's economy. He chose to focus on Healthcare instead of the Economy.
Its his phuqqing economy.
The worthless Obama@!$%#tards refuse to hold him accountable.
Democrats seem to have no shortage of dumassity. Keep supporting a failed president who is hurting your very interests. Tell me how he has made your life better with more employment, more economic growth, more income, more net worth, more better life in USA.
Answer: You can not.
Yes O'bama has made my life better RA. Thanks to him I am 46 credits away from a bachelor of arts degree as a physics science teacher. He has enriched my life. I cannot count on Romney to do the same.
Sorry billybob, post #1.169 is nothing but wishful thinking.
Oh RA, repeating the lie that this is O'bama's economy will never make it true.
Reaganomics is a Scam !!!!!!!!!!!!
ROMBOT HAS NOTHING.
As some readers may have noticed, I often append my scrivenings here with the statement "Rombot.Has.Nothing.".Rombot, of course is my moniker for the robotic performance of one Willard Mitt Romney, a person who takes Presidential campaigning like a devout Mormon who has made hundreds of millions of dollars off other peoples suffering and a robot.
Now, in the final stretch of the presidential contest, it is crystalline in the clarity of my assertion, that indeed, Rombot has nothing. But to humor myself, I'll run down the list.
The economy: What is Rombot going to run on here, that things aren't getting better fast enough? Problem is, his own party made it their stated goal to block the President and his party every step of the way. When the President cudgels Rombot with that in the debates, what can Rombot say? I disavow the Teapublican Party's sabotage or I want to double down on the failed policies of the past. And make no mistake, the electorate has rejected the policies of the 43rd President and will not support a return. So here, Rombot has nothing.
Security/War on Terror/Defense: Osama (or Usama, if you like) bin Laden is still deader than hell. That guy is dead and so are his many minions, especially the number two job, Hellfire missiles seem to unerringly find and obliterate the number two. Defense spending has increased in every year not sequestered by congressional inaction (looking at you again, Teapublicans). Furthermore, the President is increasing the efficiency of the military by ending wars both necessary and unnecessary, closing down overseas bases in allied countries that are cold war relics and increasing the energy efficiency of the military which decreases it's dependence on the fickle theocratic dictatorships that control much of the P.O.L's (petroleum, oil and lubricants). All the Rombot can offer is "Green light, go" for a war against Iran. In case Rombot didn't get the memo, war fatigue is prevalent amongst the electorate and they're not going to go for the neocon B.S. Rombot's 43rd President retread advisors are advocating. Again, Rombot has nothing.
Healthcare: How can Rombot run against his own healthcare system in Massachusetts? That's basically what the President and Congress passed and the Supreme Court legitimized. Turns out, the more the electorate sees the P.P.A.C.A. in action, the more they favor it. Therefore, Rombot has nothing.
Taxation/Government spending: The President is advocating tax fairness and a majority of the electorate supports that position. Rombot advocates (as other posters have aptly stated) the poor have to much money and the rich don't have enough. The electorate has been "trickled down" on enough to know those policies are a failure. The President's spending priorities are in line with increasing economic performance by repairing/replacing infrastructure, investing in education and educational facilities and increasing innovation in energy production (remember those theocratic dictators). The Rombot position clearly seems to be leaning toward the Ryan "budget", which is the neocon wet dream of finally destroying the New Deal achievements of almost four generations. In case Rombot missed it, 91% of all seniors advocate strengthening Social Security for future generations (A.A.R.P. poll). It's quite evident here that Rombot has nothing.
Social Justice: The President has done more to make sure that pay equity for and discrimination against women and minorities are being eliminated in this country than any President in years. From the Ledbetter Act to the repeal of D.A.D.T. and the sensible restructuring of immigration policy, this President worked to achieve equity of opportunity for as many people as possible. What does the Rombot have? Nothing.
So for these reasons and so many more, it is completely legitimate to say,"Rombot.Has.Nothing."
P.S. Please make Paul Ryan the V.P. nominee, that would be awesome, albatross style.
P.P.S ROMBOT.HAS.NOTHING.
All these MSNBC articles do is certify what we already know.
OBAMA IS TOAST.
And America will be better off without him.
That isn't a reason to vote for Romney, it's a bash on the President. Try again.
Strawman argument - nobody said that. An ad by a PAC (not controlled by Obama) did argue that a person that lost their job because of Romney lost his wife because of the loss of health care, and Romney didn't care about the people he laid off as head of Bain, or the consequences of those layoffs. An accusation of callous indifference is not the same as "accusation of murder".
That's the Teapublican's fault, blaming everything on Obama and liberals, spreading lies and nasty rumors, and refusing to take any responsibility for their own policies that crashed the economy.
Obama played no role. The "fast and furious" program started under Bush, but the lack of co-operation from prosecutors made it difficult to make any arrests and impossible to make any convictions for illegal gun purchases. The reason for that lack of co-operation is intimidation by the NRA, a group that does not want any sort of effort to restrict sales of guns to criminals. So if you honestly want to blame anyone besides the crooks that shot Agent Terry, blame the NRA.
As one of your co-horts said "Its not Romney's economy. Its Barrack's economy". Romney hasn't had the opportunity to influence the entire economy as President.
But we do know that Romney drove several businesses into bankruptcy by loading them with debt for his own profit, and he wants to repeat the same policies that Bush Jr. did - and it was the Bush Jr. policies, especially the Bush tax cuts (still in effect, btw) that lead to the economy crashing badly BEFORE Obama became President. So, maybe you want to repeat the same policies and hope to magically get a different result, but I don't.
The "Obama economy" is slowly improving, the stock market and employment is rising. I wish the improvement was faster, but even slow improvement is preferable to going backwards.
In an odd sort of way, they are. The ACA requires people to get health care insurance, either from their employer, or on their own, or from VA (for veterans), or Medicare (seniors), or Medicaid (the poor). Since they are employed by the Federal Government and get their health care coverage from their employer, they are "part of the same plan".
Tony Soprano Explains Bain Capital
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reiq4lEvnEw
It aaalllllllll comes down to one simple concept... taxes at the top are ruining this country.
Ever notice that if there's one issue that the GOP and/or Tea Party will fight to the death for, it's lower taxes for the top 1%. It's the foundation of Romney's "economic plan". The GOP effort to lower it and keep it low trumps all other issues, including defense spending, our country's credit rating, and any possibility of overall economic recovery. It's the sole issue that have GOP candidates lined up with SIGNED commitments... the one and only issue that seems to matter... the primary reason for being.
Wow. And why might that be?
Because they believe so much in trickle-down economics and seriously are only considering the middle class and our country's recovery? LOL
No. It's because low tax rate at the top combined with the artificially low capital gains tax and ever expanding special loop holes allow the steady and escalating RAPE of our economy. It does EXACTLY the opposite of what the GOP claims it does... low taxes at the top costs us nothing less than JOBS by encouraging the CEO's of the country to take money out of their business NOW and stick it in off-shore accounts. It DISCOURAGES things like business reinvestment and expansion. "Take the money out while the taking's good" is the current CEO mantra.
And small businesses? Would a tax increase on those with INCOMES over $250,000 a year stifle small businesses? No. It's all GOP bull@!$%#. The math just doesn't work. What is being taxed IS NOT what's being reinvested.
First of all, if you can even imagine bringing home $250,000 of PERSONAL income in this economy, let's see the "net" of increasing taxes by 3.6%... from 36% to 39.6%. On a $100,000 project, or "per" $100,000 on larger projects, assuming a healthy 10% ROI, and assuming you are pulling every penny of profit out of the project and taking it as personal income, you would pay an additional $360 in taxes. 3.6% of $10,000. $360... nothing.
Secondly, in a recovering economy, the only action that helps recovery is when small and large businesses alike REINVEST in their business by upgrading equipment, or expanding, or, heaven forbid, HIRE SOMEONE (called job creation).
The lower the taxes on business owners' personal income, the more they are incented to remove money from their business and the less they are incented to hire.
Too bad. The conversation has been controlled by the GOP and they have lied and taken over our economy with misinformation. The upper bracket has seen net worth INCREASES during the recession while the middle class lost 40%... how can that be? Low taxes at the top. Profit-taking gone wild. Huge company officer paydays... the largest in our history.
So take your pick when you vote.
Reasonable versus ridiculous.
Fairness versus favoritism.
Consensual business versus raping our economy.
Sound economics versus "trickle-down-and-out-to-the-Cayman-Islands" voodoo economics.
The rebuilding of the strength and prosperity of the middle class versus it's continuing collapse.
The GOP is focused like a laser... and it has nothing to do with your well being, your opportunity, your family, or recovering our economy... it's about then getting richer at our expense.
John,
If the Obama's failed policy is not a reason to vote for Romney then
"Romney is rich" is not a reason to not vote for Romney.
You Obama@!$%#tards are so in the tank you'd march off the economic cliff rather than admit your mistake. How's it feel to be brainwashed?
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Hey Wade. What you meant to say is we, the taxpayer, have given you 46 credit hours toward a degree that will not get you a job in the current Obama economy. Ignorance suits you.
Thanks for wasting my money.
Hey LmarcT,
If Trickle Down does not work.
And Trickle Up does not work. See Obama Manifesto and last 4 years.
Then maybe we need to stop @!$%#ing around with the ends of the spectrum and get down to something that works.
Can you tell me what that is without using a talking point from the Democrat manifesto?
The answer is to be pro-business thus creating jobs and tax revenue for the governments (Fed, State, and Local). Mr. Obama is far from pro-business. In fact he would rather have sex with Pelosi than cozy up to Business.
If you grow the economy you will grow tac revenue. When growing said economy, you put more people back to work and make them less dependent on the Government teat. Obama's average growth for his first 12 quarters is 2.2%. After recessions and depressions high growth periods are the norm, but Obama has failed to get our economic engine out of reverse.
So how does putting so many on welfare accomplish growing the economy and the tax base? Hint: It doesn't - It just kills the economy.
Brilliantly explained, LMarcT. I have nothing to add.
I didn't say it was. I said General Motors is alive and Osama bin Laden is dead.
And I'm still waiting for you to come up with a reason why Romney's the guy. Evidently you don't have one.
It's no waste RA. What is a waste is tax breaks for those who don't need a tax break. If you are part of the on percent I hope you see a 4 percent increase in 2013. I was correct about you, you will never admit O'bama is good for this country, even when the news is all around you.
Eugene Robinson, Aug 10, 2012
Mitt Romney's defiant secrecy about his personal finances looks like a cross Republicans will have to bear all the way to Election Day. To put it mildly, the burden seems to chafe.
Apoplexy is not the tone politicians generally seek to project. Yet there was GOP chief Reince Priebus on ABC's "This Week," calling Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid a "dirty liar" for his claim about how little Romney may have paid in taxes. There was Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on CNN's "State of the Union," saying of Reid, "I think he's lying." There was Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell on CBS' "Face the Nation," decrying a "reckless and slanderous charge by Harry Reid." It was a coordinated Sunday morning display of righteous indignation. But in making such a show of denouncing Dirty Harry's foul calumny, all Republicans succeeded in doing was draw attention to Romney's refusal to release more than a year's worth of tax returns — and guarantee more coverage of Reid's claims.
Reid was a boxer in his youth, and what he did to Romney was the equivalent of a head butt. He claimed to have a "source" who told him Romney paid no federal income taxes for 10 years. Who is this alleged source? Reid won't say. It's reasonable to question whether the source even exists, much less whether he or she would be in a position to know what's in those tax forms Romney is so reluctant to reveal. It's understandable that the GOP candidate and his surrogates would accuse Reid of an unfair attack.
But they can't prove it's an untrue attack unless Romney does what conservative commentators and Republican insiders have been urging: Release the tax returns, as Americans have expected of every presidential candidate since, well, since Romney's father set the standard in 1968. "His poor father must be so embarrassed about his son," Reid said, referring to George Romney's decision to release a dozen years' worth of tax returns for public inspection. That was the equivalent of rubbing salt into the wound opened by the head butt.
If Reid is being as cynical and mendacious as Republicans charge, Romney could demolish the majority leader's credibility — and put the whole issue to rest — with a single phone call instructing his accountant to release the returns. "I have paid taxes every year. A lot of taxes. A lot of taxes," he said. But he still won't make that call.
Meager disclosure
Romney did release his 2010 tax return, and he promises to release the 2011 return when it is completed. No recent presidential candidate has tried to get away with such meager disclosure. In 2010, Romney paid a tax rate of 13.9 percent on income of $21.6 million. The most affluent wage-earners pay income tax at a rate of 35 percent, but Romney, whose net worth has been estimated at $250 million, earned most of his money from investments and thus pays the lower rate for capital gains. Asked last week whether there had been years when he paid less than 13.9 percent, Romney said he would be "happy to go back and look" at his records. So far, however, the campaign has declined to provide an answer. Romney must still be looking.
What strikes you as more improbable: That Harry Reid actually has a mysterious source with intimate knowledge of Romney's finances? Or that a man who made a quarter of a billion dollars from his skill at reading balance sheets has no clue of how much he's been paying in taxes? Neither, on its face, sounds terribly likely. But Reid isn't running for president — and doesn't even have to run for re-election until 2016, assuming he chooses to do so. Romney could dramatically boost his credibility by opening his personal books to the normal degree of public scrutiny. The fact that he won't — even when continued secrecy clearly hurts the campaign, if only by diverting attention from other issues Romney would rather be talking about — clearly means there's something embarrassing, inappropriate or just plain ugly in there.
You don't need a secret source to tell you that. Common sense will do.
Rational AmeriCAN
Hey LmarcT,
Agreed. But we have to agree on what constitutes "extreme" before we can agree on the middle ground. Because, from my perspective, the whole conversation has shifted so far right that Reaganomics seems almost center... and Reaganomics is NOT where we need to be. We'll just have to disagree on your notion about Obama's policies... I can argue that their NOT "trickle-up" economics in any way, but most on the right already have their mind made up.
So what do we do?...
1) Raise taxes at the top to 40% on earned income and 30% on capital gains. That will slow down the huge executive paydays and encourage reinvestment in the business. Remember, those rates don't apply unless you take money out of the business as personal income.
2) Yes, keep an eye out for onerous regulations that can be shown as truly getting in the way of new businesses or expansions. As a business owner myself, I can tell you that there's really few regulations getting in the way... at least in the market I play in.
3) Your theory on how to balance the budget and retire debt is agreed... most if not all can be retired through more tax income mainly from a healthy economy. Massive cuts and/or massive tax increases are counterproductive. Spend smart, but no massive cuts... and, if possible, tone down the threats of cuts and the rancor around it too lessen it's affect on consumer confidence.
4) What we really need is demand. We can only "enable" business through policy, we cannot directly cause expansion. Demand is the only true economic driver. So... get out of the way of demand any way you can. The number one killer of demand is low consumer confidence.
5) Support consumer confidence by resolving this semi-annual bull@!$%# fight over the debt ceiling. We need to quit acting like asses and come up with a middle-ground approach to this that includes targeted budget improvements and increases in some taxes. But make it a clear path for consumers AND business, not more confusion.
6) Support demand by continuing support of those hurt the most by the recession. Every penny of that money gets spent and will help the economy until it can expand on it's own.
7) Provide incentives for businesses to enter untapped markets... weatherization, green energy etc.
8) Provide incentives to both buy American and employ American.
The economy will improve immediately after the election, no matter who gets elected. We're in a wait and see mode, except for the rush to pull money out as I mentioned before. Do a few things. Do nothing radical. No big cuts. No big spending. Reduce the rancor. It's all we can do.
How Mitt’s Tax Returns Show His Character Defect
by Michael Tomasky
Why does it matter that Mitt won’t release his tax returns? Because it’s yet another sign that the man suffers from a pathological mixture of insecurity and entitlement.
What earthly power can make Mitt Romney release his tax returns? None whatsoever. Incredible as it may seem, it’s true: He can go all the way to November 6 without giving an inch, and there’s not one thing anyone can do about it. He pretty obviously thinks that the heat he’s taking for sitting on the returns is more bearable than the heat he’d have to endure by releasing them. And that calculation says something astonishing about the man, and ultimately, that is the issue here—this is far more about Romney’s character than it is about the money per se. And character is very quickly becoming the issue that the Obama camp hadn’t even planned on exploiting but now must, because Romney’s lack of it has become so obvious.
The first is that—and liberals and Democrats must bear this in mind—Romney might do just that. That is, maybe the information in the returns is embarrassing but no more than that, and Romney is just stringing everyone along. Say they reveal that Romney paid 11 percent or 9 percent or even 7 percent some years. That’s bad for him politically, but it’s not a nuclear bomb. And indeed, given how dark the speculation is right now about how whatever is in there must be terrible, this would be a pretty brilliant strategy: Let everything build to a fever pitch, with melodramatic speculation, and then, if the released returns reveal anything less serious than Reid’s charge (no taxes for a number of years), the media will decide that the Democrats overhyped the story.
OK. It’s a possibility. But it isn’t likely. Nothing about the way Romney comports himself suggests the above. That little chuckle of his is always the giveaway that he’s nervous. It’s the chuckle that came out involuntarily when ABC’s David Muir interviewed him on the subject in Israel, and it brings us to the other and more likely possibility—that something is very wrong indeed in the returns. So wrong, in fact, that he’d rather go through 13 more weeks of this than budge an inch.
Through the campaign’s final, home-stretch weeks. If he hasn’t released more returns, then by mid-October, this will be one of three main things the average American knows about Mitt Romney: that he’s rich, that he’s running for president, and that he won’t release his tax returns.
That will have to be devastating. And it will be something he brought completely on himself, either by refusing to release the returns or by doing whatever it is he did in the first place that he’s now hiding.
But it has everything to do with Romney’s character—his sense of entitlement, the Master-of-the-Universe-y aura of impatient superiority that was undoubtedly a great virtue in the corporate world but is very much the opposite in the civic one, and the weird insecurity that lurks underneath that veneer of über-confidence. And those things are very germane to what sort of president he’d be.
Hiding his tax returns is bad enough. But also hidden are the names of his bundlers, certain Salt Lake Olympic records, and records from his tenure as governor. That’s roughly ... oh, his entire career. It’s bad enough that he thinks he can make it to the White House in this fashion. But it’s worse that he wants to. Someone running for the presidency should be happy to share that information, especially when it’s your own father who blazed this particular trail in the first place.
The Obama campaign doesn’t seem to have planned on making character an issue. The Bain attacks were about qualifications, not character. But in these past three or four weeks, Romney has demonstrated, with America watching, that this is the issue with him. He doesn’t play it straight on anything. Voters can smell it on him like bad cologne, and the longer he digs in his heels on taxes, the greater the stink will grow
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/07/michael-tomasky-how-mitt-s-tax-return-show-his-character-defect.html
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Well unless our Republican/T.P. Brethren have a unexpected epiphany it looks like this is the choice that We the People are going to be presented with this Fall.
Now I ain’t talking to the 30% of you’ll that would vote for Donald Duck as long as he wasn’t President Obama. Shucks you’ll lost whatever sense of Character that you’ll had years ago apparently or never had it to start with.
No I’m looking to the other 70% of We the People. All those folks that get up at o dark thirty and head out to do a job and give a fair days work for a fair days pay. ‘Cause like it or not we are the backbone of this great Nation. Ain’t nobody can do nothing that we don’t allow it in one form or another contrary to popular belief amongst Ol’ Willard and some of his friends.
Now I’m here to tell it and I think that events will bear me out that most of us would rather put our faith in a Po’ Feller that has come by what he has in ways that he can he can look you in the eye and be proud of. Whether it is little and more that Feller has Character and will do to ride the river with ‘cause you know that you’re always going to get his best day in day out.
What we aren’t going to tolerate no matter how much money you’ve made or how much money you spend is a Feller that can’t point to his life’s work with pride and satisfaction of a job well and truly done. If you have to lie about it you shouldn’t have done it in the first place. ‘Cause long experience has taught us that that Feller will always let you down and generally at the worst times. He can’t help himself because he’s got no Character.
Really to the point and accurate IR! Thanks.
Pearls of wisdom IR. Thanks for posting.
When Both Sides Lie
With the advent of unlimited corporate donations, what we now have is a lie-fest for both Republicans and Democrats.
Some had hoped that more money in the elections would make a dramatic impact. I believe that Americans are quickly becoming tired of the lies on both sides. In fact, I've heard many people say, "I don't believe anything on a political ad no matter whose side it is".
It would be nice if Obama and Romney would agree to only run ads that have passed a fact check. Without this, all that money being spent in unlimited donations is really not going to matter at all.
Harry Reid may have played "dirty politics" with his accusation, but Romney is the only one who can end it by releasing his returns. The fact that he won't speaks volumes about what kind of person he is.
Thanks for posting, IR.
Romney is like fools Gold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This Clown is not worthy of walking his dog !!!!!!!!
Independent R, right to the point, thank you.
Romney habitually points fingers at clerks, officials...he was in two places at the same time, or whatever - to explain away the most preposterous whoppers.
And get this, he's "not a business"? That's his explanation on tax returns?
Mr. Romney is giving us the run-around and his buddies are letting it happen, but the rest of us don't have to be enablers, do we?
Holly, I missed the post about your Papillon until much later! They are amazing, are they not? Smart and cheerful. Love mine!
Ahhh my beloved Floyd!
I see the jet-lag has passed and you are back on your "A" game! ;o)
There is also a strong possibility that Obama lied about his nation of birth when applying to college- which would have gotten his application put into a different pool for consideration- not to mention getting him aid that, if he accepted it, constituted fraud.
Obama was born in Hawaii- making him a natural born American. That fact is NOT in dispute. What IS in dispute, however, is how his publisher managed to list him as Kenyan born for years. The woman responsible claims it was a "fact checking" error on her part. From whence did she get those facts? Kind of odd, is it not, that she chose Kenya? Why not Indonesia? Or Mars?
Is that why he will not release his college records? Could there be some nefarious information in them, that would scuttle his hopes for re election- that would have prevented him from being elected in the first place?
There must be SOME reason he has fought, and continues to fight, so hard to keep them secret.
So True IR. Willard really doesn't have a good record to run on. However, Romney care he should be proud of.
Just ask Andrea Saul, who said, following a former steelworker whose plant was closed by Bain Capital and blaming Willard Romney, who co-founded the firm, for his family's loss of health insurance and his wife's subsequent death from cancer. "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health-care plan, they would have had health care."
Job1, good morning to you.
If you could come up with a new word for that kind of reverse-plus-reverse lie from the Romney campaign, I would be purely indebted to you.
Why did you waste money in Vegas instead of giving it to the IRS where it could have been put to better use Feisty?
Independent Redneck posts: Why does it matter that Mitt won’t release his tax returns? Because it’s yet another sign that the man suffers from a pathological mixture of insecurity and entitlement.
Let me ask it another way: Why does it matter to liberals that Romney WON'T release his tax returns? I have a couple of answers for you. Liberals want to use those tax returns against Romney. Even though there may be absolutely nothing wrong with the way Romney filed his returns, the liberals want to use them for class warfare. The witch hunt continues on the D side. They are looking for every angle they can to thwart the low accomplishment rating of Obama. The diversion of Romney's tax returns is one such way.
I'll tell you what liberals - tit for tat. Romney releases his tax returns at the same time Obama releases his educational records... all of them. Let it be an even exchange of information. Let's see what Obama is hiding.
We already know Obama admitted to committing felonies by his drug use, but that doesn't matter one iota to liberals. So what if he broke the law? He's such a good speaker... he has charisma. He's a lousy leader and hasn't helped the economy one bit but what does THAT matter? Liberals like him... Well golly gee... liking someone while watching our country go to pot, er cocaine... who cares right? It's Obama.
The second reason liberals want him to release his tax returns is because they want to find something wrong with them. If one period is out of place, one t isn't crossed... the liberals will say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!" It doesn't matter that these returns have already passed the scrutiny of the IRS... liberals are out to find one little microbe of information so they can slam him with it... amazing how they overlook all of Obama's faults but will go to extremes to find something wrong with Romney.
Keep searching liberals... for all of your bluster, for all of your snide remarks, for all of the name calling and all of your complaining, Obama's negatives weigh him down and he does NOT have the support he had before... his record precedes him, or should I say... lack of a record.
What's really in Mitt Romney's tax returns that's so Evil, and Horrific, and Hideous, that Mitt Romney does Not want it Exposed to the World.
Best case? His Tax returns shows Mitt Romney LEGALLY took ADVANTAGE of the U.S. GOVERNMENT's AMNESTY TAX PROGRAM, for illegal TAX CHEATS.
or Worst Case? Mitt Romney's Tax Returns show that in Addition to OUTSOURCING Good Old AMERICAN Jobs to CHINA and MEXICO, perhaps Mitt Romney has also been doing BUSINESS with know or unknown TERRORISTS GROUPS.
Hidden Swiss Bank accounts
Retiring Retro-Actively from Bain Capital, to Avoid Criminal Felony Charges
Laundring uour Ill-gotten Loot in your Slush-Funds in the Cayman Islands
Taking your Wife's Olympic Show Horse off as a "Therapy Horse"
WTF?
Great post, IR--thanks for sharing it. As someone who has prepared tax returns for more years than I want to admit, I can tell you that your tax returns speak volume about your character. As a minimum they tell us how involved you are with your financial affairs--I have some clients who don't even look at them. I actually suspect Mitt could be in this group---he has no idea what is in those returns and is now being judged by them. That must make him nuts. But if he goes with the "I just signed them" defense, what does that say about his management skills--you know, the ones that supposedly qualify him to be President.
Nice try with the false equivalency, No Joe, but it won't fly. President Obama is done disproving wacky rumors from the right---you all don't accept the proof anyway. The kind of claims you make won't impact the moderates & independents--the folks Romney needs to capture.
Thanks Friends and Neighbors.
Betty you how it is.
“I don't mind confiding
That I make stupid mistakes
Been misled and misguided
And I'm easily led astray
But you can dance with disaster
Never missing a step
Spinning faster and faster
Long after I've already slipped
But in the middle of it all
You always break my fall
In the middle of it all”
Well said I R --- I was just one of those that spent their working life helping build this country one board at a time. As you stated , maybe Mr. Romney should try it. personally,I dont think he would make it through the first day.
There must be SOME reason he has fought, and continues to fight, so hard to keep them secret.
While I think Romney's tax returns are not the largest issue in the campaign, they far outweigh in importance the far fetched "college foreigner" conspiracy.
My take both candidates present their ideas and explain how implementing them will help the country/economy. At this time, Romney's plan of action, more tax cuts for millionaires and drastic cuts in spending would starve any chance of the recovery continuing.
Air Brushed Repube said: Such a declaration, if revealed via his 2010 state tax return, would underscore the apparent fact that Mitt Romney himself is actually a voter fraud FELON.
You're stretching it as far as you can, aren't you? Ever heard of dual residency? Prove that he voted in New Hampshire. If you have dual residency, you can vote in either place just as long as you don't vote in both places... so where is the felony?
Nice try, but no cigar.
I'm from Florida where we have the largest per capita of dual residency in the country. Many people vote in Florida from a lot of other states... because... they are allowed to.
Remember what all you left wing lunatics did with Sara Palin's E-mails?
That was pathetic. MSNBC had a modern day telethon with running blogs and enlisted the help of all their readers to sleuth through every one of them.
You let your slip show that time and everyone knew that this place was nothing but 0bama's goon squad.
If you got Romney's taxes i guarantee you wouldn't be showing any slip, you would be stark naked showing the world the "I love 0bama" tattoo on ass.
How about it Independent Redneck - would you agree that if Romney releases his tax returns, Obama releases his educational records? Wouldn't you agree that is a fair exchange? It would resolve a lot of questions from both sides... wouldn't you agree?
Air Brushed - two things... if it's state law, how can it be a felony? Prove he didn't list his domicile as Mass at the time of the vote.
You're still stretching without any proof... Speculation does not prove guilt, only proof proves guilt. Find the proof and I'll listen.
anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years in jail and a $10,000 fine.
Show me where he is guilty. Show me the court case that has been raised that he was found in fault of the law. If you know this, then so do the law enforcement officials in Mass. Your logic is preceded by your emotional outburst of "gotcha" without cause.
Steeler,
Right now, better believe that Mitt Romney knows EXACTLY what is in his tax files.
For that, and most assuredly other nefarious incriminating reasons, he will not show them to the American people.
Today, Mitt Romney's excuse for not showing his tax returns is that he "is not a business".
Uh, you mean like, businesses aren't people?
Air Brushed - Bring it up before the Mass attorney general if you are so concerned about it. Ask them to investigate the allegation. You have that right. You don't know the circumstances or the events surrounding the vote. You don't know Romney's personal life... you don't know any of these things. You are merely speculating. As far as I'm concerned, unless it comes across the news wire, or becomes a national issue, I'm not going to concern myself over it one bit. Just because YOU believe he committed a crime doesn't make it so.
I believe Obama has committed several crimes... but me complaining about it won't make him go to trial. I can cite laws, ordinances, even the Constitution but it means nothing unless it becomes official.
You are crying in the wind.
Defy my logic. You don't like Romney therefore you have an emotional attack of self righteousness that eliminates any reasonable thought. And you say I have an emotional outburst... ROFL! Logic is my guide... emotion is yours.
I see njnb is STILL harping on an issue that has been explained OVER and OVER again. So, njnb, either you totally lack reading comprehension or you intentionally lie. Either way - your post is ridiculous as it has been debunked many times in the past.
President Obama HAS NOT FOUGHT to keep his college records secret. All college records are secret - including yours - if you ever went to college!
Please - try to keep up!
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Air Brushed said: Romney is going to lose and lose big time..he is behind the polls...and falling fast.
He's behind in polls that provide a 6-10% advantage of democrats in the poll. How incredibly uninformed you are. Carter was also ahead of Reagan at this stage of campaigning and looky what happened there. Since when has polling data been accurate on election day? Hardly ever.
Good Morning, Air Brushed Repube
Welcome and GREAT POST!!!
Backhouse - Since IR won't answer my question... what about you? Romney releases his tax returns at the same time Obama releases his educational records... is that a fair exchange?
IR -- Welcome back. Great article and great comments. I'm in the camp that there must be something so politically damaging in those returns that Romney would rather lose by not showing his returns than to lose by showing the returns. Ha!
Top three secret goals in Obama's second term (if elected)....
1) Mass Amnesty for illegals
2) Massive continued expansion of the Welfare Class
3) Massive tax increases for ALL tax paying Americans
No. I would not agree.
Obama has ALREADY released his extended tax returns. The return for that is that Romney releases HIS tax returns.
Bringing educational records into this discussion is a straw-man argument. If conservatives want to talk about educational records, that is a separate argument where Romney would also have to release HIS educational records.
As was mentioned above, ALL college records are confidential. Not just Obama's.
Felden - it's not a straw man's argument when people are questioning the validity of Obama's acceptance into the colleges. It's exactly the same thing as Romney's returns. The IRS has already proved they were valid but that's not enough for the liberals. Obama has his records sealed... but why? What's he hiding? It's exactly the same question you liberals are asking about Romney's returns even though the IRS hasn't questioned them one bit. What exactly are the liberals looking for? I've told you what I'm looking for in the college records.
Once again seeking and the left making excuses. College transcripts can be sealed that is true but so are taxes. I am sure that if Romney's taxes were an issue the IRS would be involved. You and me both know Oboma has something in his transcipts he doesn't want us to see as Romney has something in his taxes he does not want known. You guys trying to say his (Pres) transcripts are no issue and have been protected should have the same conclusion about taxes.
I think I wouldd rather hear about the Mars landing than the bs around here. Look, Obama was born in Hawaii (get over it birthers), and Romney won't show his tax returns (get over it lefties - he has too much too lose). Just watch some HGTV or something about the Mars rover and be happy
This is your idea of tit-for-tat? Tit-for-tat would be when Romney releases his educational records at the same time as Obama releasing his educational records.
Tit-for-tat would be when Romney releases tax returns for Obama releasing his tax returns.
Or are you so far gone in your hatred for liberals that you no longer have any idea what truth or fair is any more?
If Romney wants to stay a businessman, he has every right to keep his information private. If he wants me to give him a job, he's gong to have to give me the information every President in modern times has given voters about tax returns. THAT is why I want to see his tax returns.
It's no different from when I go in to a new job, and while I am signing up and filling out forms, "What is your social security number?" and I turn around and sue him for breaching my privacy.
Who is Romney to use the image of JPII? Mitt is just a discusting hypocrite that has no business using an image of a dead Pope who cannot turn around and tell Romney not to use him.
His earlier tax problems have nothing to do with voter fraud. He filed taxes as if he was a Utah resident and then went back to run for governor of Massachusetts. Well, in order to run for governor there you have to have been a resident for at least seven years. He then said, "Oh, I didn't know about it! I am really a resident of Massachusetts. Really. Honest. Trust me." And, apparently, the voters did.
But you raise an interesting point. The US does not officially recognize dual residency with any other country except Israel. If he had been filing US taxes as a foreigner that would explain [a] why Reid thinks he didn't pay and taxes and [b] why this is the one item he has never flip-flopped on.
Brianb-999431
show me when college anything was an issue with any other presidents. We didn't even push Bush's AWOL controversy.
But I will show you Mitt Romney didn't have an issue DEMANDING that Kennedy releases his returns in 1994 on the basis of the public's right to know:
"It's time the biggest-taxing senator in Washington shows the people of Massachusetts how much he pays in taxes," Romney said in April of 1994, according to a report in the Boston Globe.
I will even give you a video to watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/48497173#48497173
Byron said:
This is your idea of tit-for-tat? Tit-for-tat would be when Romney releases his educational records at the same time as Obama releasing his educational records.
Tit-for-tat would be when Romney releases tax returns for Obama releasing his tax returns.
Byron - No. Why are you defending the sealing of Obama's educational records? Obama said this was going to be the most transparent administration... what's so transparent about sealing educational records?
brian....Did you go to college or university? You don't seem to know about FERPA laws. Mitten's educational records are "sealed" too. You have a conspiracy theory about that?
There is just so much to use against this man and his support for only the rich top1%. Expect the attacks to continue. The PAC ads. will since the supreme Court left the door open to try to buy elections thanks to the Robert's Court.
The fact that he belongs to religious cult will be coming soon I would expect from some PAC?
Bayllie posted: show me when college anything was an issue with any other presidents. We didn't even push Bush's AWOL controversy.
Come on Bayllie... it was pushed hard by the left. The reason it died was because there was no validity to it... Bush was honorably discharged and the military doesn't make those mistakes. You are completely wrong about the left not pushing at the time... they were all over it.
The issue here is having Romney provide 10 years of his tax returns when only 2 are required and he's provided that. If the left wants to persist in having them released... it's only fair that Obama release his sealed educational records because there might be something questionable in them.
Of course the left doesn't want Obama to release his records... wonder why.
Brianb - President Obama never sealed his educational records - they were sealed as everyone else's are - including yours if you went to college - which is looking more and more doubtful. He graduated with honors and headed Harvard Law Review which makes him much smarter than you - for sure.
Get over it! We have NEVER insisted on getting anyone's college transcripts from them before. Bush's and Gore's were released by someone who had no business doing it and they broke federal law.
Bush's commander's assistant (the commander is dead) said he had a hard time justifying giving Bush an honorable discharge because he missed so much time he was to be serving, but he was forced to. The only other person missing as much time was activated and sent to VietNam.
Obama/Biden 2012
Newday - sure I do... Maybe Romney was a straight F student... But I'll bet he didn't file for financial aid. I wonder where Obama got his money for attending college... doesn't seem to have any student loan paybacks listed anywhere and if he did, could he afford them while being a community organizer.
What it boils down to is... what is Obama's background? He's been CIC for over 3 1/2 years and we know nothing about where he came from. We trust our government to him... but know very little about where he's been or what he's done... sure, the press reports on his Law Review standings at Harvard... but what about his drug use? What about his ideology and what he stands for? His actions speak louder than words and all I see is a ultra-liberal Marxist desiring to remove all conservative thought through denegration of those ideals. Is this the America you want?
Phinephancy - Agree. Too much discussion on these peripheral issues. Releasing educational records or tax returns do not help further the discussion on how to improve the economy and deal with our revenues and deficits. Although the tax return releases have a precedent from other contenders, it really is a non-issue.
I would suggest the Obama camp and democratic groups focus on the difference between an Obama term and a Romney "despotic" rule helped by both houses of Congress. Push the highlights of the ACA. Show the improvements in employment vs. the only relevant statics of the dismal baseline that G. Bush left.
On a lighter note, many other things to watch. Glad the Olympics have been on and the NFL is just round the corner. Wish I could watch the Women's soccer gold match today with Alex Morgan, Hope Solo :}
Yes, brianb - Obama already has 2 tats for Romney's 0 tats. Obama has released tax returns AND two of his birth certificates. So Romney needs to catch up with those two things before we get into college transcripts. I, for one, don't believe there's anything illegal in Romney's returns. As you've pointed out, IRS should have caught anything (but, who knows how much money can buy?) I would like to know where his money comes from, what stocks he owns, etc. I don't think that's unreasonable. Even if Obama released his college transcripts, there are those who would call them fake, anyway, and would then demand a copy of his marriage license, his baptismal certificate, his daughter's birth certificates, and on and on and on.
Brianb-999431
no it wasn't or 43 would have been Kerry. Instead, Bush's campaign resorted to smear campaign about Kerry's war record; Kerry who actually had the balls to go to war and fight for his country instead of getting high and drunk like Bush did.
There were more black markers used to cover up what was left of Bush's military records than Staples keeps in stock. The rest "destroyed."
I'm still wating for your examples of how college records were relevant in the past...
Brianb-999431
so what, does that make Romney a better human being that he didn't? I paid for college with financial aid and probably most people here did as well. It's a loan, with interest rate that you have to pay back. What is your point?
FINANCIAL AID and working while in college - like the rest of us
FINANCIAL AID and working while in college - like the rest of us
as a Foreign student
Judy1217
, for one, don't believe there's anything illegal in Romney's returns. As you've pointed out, IRS should have caught anything (but, who knows how much money can buy?
Romney's tax returns are hundreds of pages (or so he claims) so I'm not sure how capable IRS is (staffwise) to comb through every page of every return.
I am not totally convinced that Romney committed felony (no proof, I guess) but I do think he paid zero or very little in taxes by taking advantage of legal loopholes, deferments, shelters, deductions, etc.
If that is the case and shown to the world, Romney's claim that millionaires pay too much in taxes would go out the window.
Brianb - we know as much about President Obama as we have about each of our Presidents. More is being asked of him than any other President because stupid people don't understand that not everyone has the same type name or look the same. Had his name been John Smith you wouldn't have so many questions.
No one questioned Bush's cocaine use or the fact that he was a raging alcoholic but now you want to question President Obama about something he was truthful about - he experimented with drugs in school, as many young people did/do. Your ignorance is over the top and your veiled hatred of our President is obvious - and for reasons you'd deny but they are clear. My god get a life!
Grow up and stop looking like an idiot! The "Marxist" stupidity is just that - stupidity!
Obama/Biden 2012
Obama/Biden 2012
bayllie said: FINANCIAL AID and working while in college - like the rest of us
Harvard???? Do you have any idea what it costs to attend Harvard? Financial aid? Working? Maybe he was bussing for Ruth Chris steakhouse.
Your answers defy logic... his transcripts would answer those questions... but yet he won't release them... Makes you liberals happy, doesn't it?
Don't like it when someone pushes an issue that you disagree with, eh? Kind of shows that your insistence on the tax returns is sort of ridiculous even though you aren't voting for Romney.
Caesar Augustus-
I see Ceasar is posting more useless, irrelevant, unsupported, untrue crap
BrianB-
It has been documented several times that President Obama and Michelle used the proceeds from his first book to finally pay off their student loans.
Bayllie said: Kerry who actually had the balls to go to war and fight for his country instead of getting high and drunk like Bush did.
But you have zero problem with Obama admitting he used cocaine? Hypocrite!
Brianb-999431
President Obama is not the first one or the last poor person who attended an Ivy League college:
From scrubbing floors to Ivy League: Homeless student to go to dream college
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/07/us/from-janitor-to-harvard/index.html
there are plenty more...you are ignorant.
TNSEVOL - well now you're just talking facts and that totally spoils Brianb's rants, right?
Brianb - President Obama admitted he experimented with drugs - as many did - in school. Remember Bush did cocaine and was a raging alcoholic! Your point????
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TNSEVOL said: It has been documented several times that President Obama and Michelle used the proceeds from his first book to finally pay off their student loans.
Maybe that's true... and it could prove to answer the question of funds... but, what about his admittance records... There's enough rumors floating around that charge him with applying for admittance as a foreign student to create questionable speculation. My point is not to find out about this, but to counter a point that has been raised about Romney's tax returns.
It seems as though the left can allege anything they want by creating a question... The road goes both ways. This is my point.
To the idiots that collapsed Independent Redneck's first post.... I don't care if you are from the left or the right... you are morons. Stop collapsing posts for no reason other than you disagree with them. There was nothing inflammatory in his post at all... If you disagree with him take the time to write your own rebuttal... People that collapse posts are morons that can't stand up for their own ideals. Geeeezzzzzz
Air Brushed Repub said: The problem with the GOP/Tea Scum
Do you find it absolutely necessary to use name calling in your posts? Do you have to expose your ass to make your points? You'd get much more respect if you found a way to communicate more creatively than to insist on calling those you disagree with names.
I'm going to show you how much I respect you.... you are now on ignore... so now you can show off to your other name calling liberal posters without me having to read your insults... My computer is thanking me because now I don't have to look at your immature posting techniques.
Romney, the perfect snake oil salesman! I thought these guys only existed in old westerns. No wonder they pander to the old and scared crowd in the US. It is utterly despicable!
How many of you out there have a family member in their 60's that is afriad the country is going to fall because of Obama? Or that Obama is a Muslim/Socialist, whatever that means. It is despicable for these people to scare the daylights out of the old, so they grab their votes.
Of course we liberals are gonna look for any spots in the tax returns; that's why you conservatives wanted to pore over Obama's birth certificate and college records. By the way, we also want to see how he would fare if his tax plan was enacted; the best way to judge a candidate is to see how he would benefit from his tax plan.
Unfortunately, that would not be equal. The reason why is because Obama has already had to release his birth certificate during the birther craze of 2011. Plus he already released his tax returns. That is 2:0 in favor of Obama; if you want to level the playing field, Romney has to release both his tax returns AND the info about his governorship (Oh no!!! He already deleted them!!).
Obama broke the law when he was a teenager; weren't you wild at least once in your youth??? Besides, the drug thing doesn't affect many liberals because we tend to support drug legalization. Meanwhile, for all we know Romney could have paid next to nothing in federal taxes while he was running for president in 2008 or during the meltdown in 2009.
You just put this in the first paragraph; nice repetition. In addition, of course liberals want to find something wrong with it; that is the same reason why Republicans want Obama's academic records AND his birth certificate. The difference is, Obama already gave in on the latter, while Romney has yet to reveal anything substantial.
Well, considering that with all the recent "poor" economic data that's coming in and the fact that Obama is still ahead in the polls, that is yet to be seen.
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Brianb-999431
No, I have a problem with Bush who smeared Kerry who went to war for his country; while Bush went AWOL so he could get drunk and high. You missed the entire seqence here. The drug usage is not the problem by itself but when you add drug usage to Bush's AWOL, to Bush's smear campaign to Bush's drug arrest (later called "medication") and his drunk driving....well you get the point.
Mitt Romney’s campaign did a remarkable thing yesterday…they inadvertently told the truth about Romneycare, which likely has a certain campaign spokesperson looking for a job. While Priorities USA may have pushed the envelope tying Bain (and Romeny) to the steelworker’s loss of insurance (and ultimately, loss of his wife to cancer), the fact is that the LACK of affordable health care is a ‘death panel’ in itself. Poor folks don’t have to worry whether government or insurance bureaucracies will dictate their medical treatment – the only treatment they can afford is no treatment at all.
and the woman obama says that romney murdered....
....had insurance from her job.
obama needs to be arrested at once for his ad calling romney a killer.
Insurance companies have been the king of death panels for years, no doubt, if you need a cancer treatment or neurological or cardiac surgery - your insurance company is the one who ultimately denies or approves - and those folks fill their peer to peer spots with what we in the medical business not so fondly call "Doc in the box", meaning the doc was never able to pass all of his medical exams. Kind of like Rand Paul.
If you were going to make arrests for lying, you'd have to arrest both Obama and Romney !
All this lie-fest is going to do is increase voter apathy that neither candidate is worth much.
I call on Obama and Romney to only run ads that have passed a fact check.
Try it, you might like it, and so might Americans.
Romney's plan is Economic Collapse !!!!!!!!!
keck, love your avatar, but your reasoning is way off base. First of all, the president didn't approve the ad and secondly, the family ultimately lost all their insurance and she died for lack of treatment. Health insurance is a good thing and that's what the Affordable Care Act (a.k.a. Obamacare) is doing for millions of Americans.
keck,
It is not President Obama’s ad or the DNC or the Democratic Party.
It comes from a Super PAC which it is illegal for the President or Presidential candidate or his/her Party to have any contact with.
If you don’t like this then join with those that want campaign finance reform.
no ursula....anderson cooper reprted last night that the woman that died....HAD HER OWN INSURANCE FROM HER OWN JOB.
her husband lost his job......5 years earlier.
the wife got sick and died ...5 years after her husband lost his job
the wife had her own insurance for 5 years after her husband lost his job.
and yes obama was in direct contact with the pac.....charges are coming against obama because of this violation.
The steel industry was in deep trouble even before Bain purchased GTS. If you really wanted to know the details you look for the info before posting your nonsense.
What are you claiming here? That no one gets cancer treatment? That insurance doctors are incompetent?
You have to get your story straight. Obamacare expands private insurance with taxpayers subsidies. Either private insurance is a good idea, or why else would the Administration be expanding it, or its a bad idea, and Obamacare is another failed policy.
The ad is so bogus and full of misinformation it should go into Ripley's Believe it or NOT. So far in this campaign full of ads this one takes the cake. If anyone actually believes the content of this ad they are as misguided as a lost puppy. Unfortunately many people will watch the ad and sit there cursing Romney because of the emotional sympathy the ad invokes. Forget the facts, forget the reality... it's a tug. It goes to show that a choreographed piece of cinema will draw the attention of the unknowing into believing a complete falsehood.
Keck
They have him on tape talking about it. The left will defend this wasted Presidency against anything and I do not get it. I love there posts above about women not voting for Romney because it's against their interests. What about American interests. Why not put that above their own petty concerns.
America is on a bad slope thanks to the A moral lefties in this country and there petty concerns. It is time to clean house this November.
Then you won't mind providing us with the link... right?
ru ---Are you saying the women of this country aren't important?
Harry Reid = Dirty Liar
Stephanie Cutter = Dirty Liar II
Tim Geitner = Admitted Tax Cheat
Eric Holder = Illegal Arms Dealer
Barack Obama = Admitted Drug User and Dealer
Well, that settles that!
RU is another run of the mill right wing filthy liar!
If you make outrageous accusations, you damned well be prepared to back up your bull@!$%#!
@Elliot - KNOCK OFF the comment spamming!
old man - I see rukidding is a true Republican who clearly states that:
I love there posts above about women not voting for Romney because it's against their interests. What about American interests. Why not put that above their own petty concerns.
Unfortunately this is the GOP platform - women's issues and rights are "petty." That is why intelligent women will not vote for a Republican.
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Brockton Barlow= D(m- A$$
Calm down fisty, we don't need you going all Jared Laughner around here. You act like you own this place, maybe you just work here.
Perhaps its time for some anger management or at least some AA.
Get well soon, sport.
So Romney's meetings in Vegas with the leaders of Super PACS was okay but somehow some mysterious "tape" is going to show Obama meeting with PAC members? How amazingly hypocritical. How typically Republican!
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"He can go all the way to November 6 without giving an inch, and there’s not one thing anyone can do about it."
Incorrect. There IS one thing anyone can do about it, and it is the most important thing - vote for the other guy.
Keck...did you point this same rage at Bush, Clinton, Bush, or Reagan? Each one of them did far worse than the current president. I'm just wondering if you're this adamant about all injustices or only those against people you don't like.
patriotic @ 3.4 -- while your opinion is that romney's plan would cause "econimic collapse" we know for a fact that obama's actions have caused "economic collapse".
though everyone had high hopes for obama only the poorly informed and weak-minded could imagine that he has done nothing but wreak havoc on the economy
Elliott - I'll say it AGAIN. Don't believe ANYTHING you read from breitbart. It's all a one sided pack of lies.
diane -- can you recommend a site that presents all sides equally?
For Feisty if she goes all fringe and what not, is it considered work place violence on this board?
Please share with me all the lies of Breitbart.
It seems like Feisty Redhead does indeed work here, or al least work with FR.
Maybe thats where the name Feisty Redhead FR First Read came from...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/08/Obamas-Top-Ten-Audacious-Lies
Caesar - if she puts her hands around your throat, let us know. Otherwise - not so much!
Thanks Gov. Romney
If you lose your job in Mass, you still have healthcare.
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you know threating people is still considered violence. Gotta an idea go threaten a co worker seeking and let me know.
I dont see Elliot spamming any more that Backhouse or is that ok since it is Ho Chi Minh style propaganda?
billybob - I recommend "my" side. Most of the so called "lefty libtards" who post here, if you take the time or care to look at them, offer links and web sites that are factual at least. Not a bunch of hate filled opinion or outright twisted truth.
I'm still having a real problem with a certain "fair and balanced" tv station that made fun of a gold medal winning Olympians clothing and hair. Get my drift?
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Mars! We need more Mars news!
Ru Kidding....? Really?
Romney's take on woman (as it comes from his Mormon upbringing)
along with the Gop/Teabaggers is well know. They (women) have their place. Right? They don't Need Heath-care..Right? Its Petty? to Who? You? Wow.
The only thing important to sick / Hateful people like you & the gnop/baggers
is "taking Back" the White house. Like you did such a "Great" Job for * Long years. Hey, but the Rich, Banks, Big oil...and my favorite Halliburton/Cheney
Got a Huge Bump in Corporate Welfare. BTW Remember on Who's watch 911 happened. Bush was to busy pardoning his cronies to listen to the warnings from the CIA.
And this is the best my old party could dig up. Thanks Teabaggers for destroying the 2 party system.Sad
keck:
you said "They have him on tape talking about it."
I would like to see the link to that tape. Why isn't it all over Fox Noise, along with the usual blather for a Congressional investigation and impeachment, immediately!!!!!!!
BTW: talking about impeachment. If your favorite Congressman, Issa, really has an issue with AG Holder, why hasn't there been any action to impeach him from office ?
So are you saying that if Romney is elected President, he will enact legislation that means that if someone gets laid off, they will still keep their insurance?
Is that the falsehood you are referring to?
Because we already have that. Now. It's called Obamacare. Which Mr. Romney has promised to repeal if he ever gets into office.
DCIA - yesterday CSPAN had Andrew McCarthy on pimping his book about Islam and discussing the Muslim Brotherhood inside and outside the US. I saw Dana Milbank in the audience but haven't had a chance to read his article. It should be enlightening. McCarthy is scary and it's hard for me to trust someone who doesn't move his lips when he speaks.
TO: keck who wrote:
Why wouldn't you want to arrest Romney for killing the woman?
No, you want to arrest the person who squeeled.
Backazzwards Republicans.
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Stupid GOP RWNJ's think everyone who votes are racist and RWNJ's.
Sorry G STUPID O P the majority who people that vote are normal sane people who are not racist to the core.
GO Home with your racist rhetoric you are not welcome out side of your house.
Trying to bring back racial hatered will only carry so far.
Bishop Willard by refusing to release his tax statements is sealing his & the GOP's fate & FAILURE .
That CONSERVATIVES who are steeped in TRUST BUT VERIFY are defending a candidate who has erased his past in order to appear to be clean enough to run for POTUS... their DESPERATION is so large it has it's own ODER .
YOU will have NO ONE to BLAME but YOURSELVES come November...even FOX has DUMPED YOU WHOLESALE... or you would be back there writing comments .
Patriotic American: Hey, I think you are really onto something. I feel there is an agenda that we don't see on the GOP side. As you know the Gun rights fanatics aren't about personal safety they are about government takeover conspiracy. So what better group to use as your front "pawn" than the ultra elite using them to cover for the actual takeover which isn't with guns at all but with money! As support for this thought, in the middle ages of Euope the kingdoms didn't pay taxes while serfs were taxed for the protection they got from the kingdom. When a group pays no taxes mathematically all the money moves to that group and they proved it as they garnered all the money and the workers had nothing. Does this sound familiar? I think this is more of a government takeover theory than any gun totin' malicia white dude with a beard (AKA terroist in any other country).
diane @ 3.31 -- You said:
I recommend "my" side. Most of the so called "lefty libtards" who post here, if you take the time or care to look at them, offer links and web sites that are factual at least. Not a bunch of hate filled opinion or outright twisted truth.
I'm still having a real problem with a certain "fair and balanced" tv station that made fun of a gold medal winning Olympians clothing and hair. Get my drift?"
So, as I read this only one side, the left tells the truth. Is that correct?
Bashing Fox for making fun (I have not seen this) is why you don't look at the other side?
How about NBC "doctoring" reports to make events appear very different than the truth? Pretty devious there I'd say.
You appear to be a dyed-in-the-wool lefty who chooses to look only at "your" side. I had hopes for a better answer.
Have a nice day.
NBC doesn't doctor documents billybob, fox does. NBC has come down hard on O'bama when it was merited. It's okay to disagree with someone, it's never okay to pass moral judgement on a person because they disagree.
... the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
Obama Created 4.2 Million Private Jobs In 27 Months; 1.2 Million More Than Bush’s 8 Years
DJIA Dec 31, 2008 8,776
DJIA Aug 10, 2012 (now) 13,165
Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporate earnings probably fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.
It is rather obvious that your definition of economic collapse is not the same as anyone else's!
Remember when...
...the GOP called Bill Clinton a "Draft Dodger"?
...the GOP called John Kerry a "Flip-Flopper"?
...the GOP accused Barack Obama of purposely hiding vital documents?
Now their candidate for President is Mitt Romney.
me - me I know the answer....
All of the above describe Mitt!
Here is some news for you. GOP never accused anyone of murder. Here we have a standing President accusing a political rival of being a felon, tax dodger, now murder, even a Draft dodger,
Draft dodger? Hardly.
Mitt Romney received a single, 2-1/2 year religious deferment so that he could perform his [required] missionary obligations to the Mormon Church.
In addition — just like every other college student in the U.S. — Romney received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies.
In April 1965, Romney stepped-up and registered with the Selective Service and, like tens of thousands of other in-school college students and missionaries he was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. When he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew #202 number in the annual draft lottery and at that time no one drawing higher than #195 was drafted. When you register and draw a number your not in Canada burning your draft card.
What did Obama do as a young man? Did he feel the need join the military? Why not? His grand father was ex military, he felt no need to carry on the tradition?
No. He travelled to Madrasah's in Karachi Pakistan, Hyderabad in India this most muslim city in India established in 1591 by the mulsim Mohgal leader Sultan Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, as well as the most muslim country on the planet Idonesia.
So as young men, one manned up for when his country called, they other got in touch with his muslim roots. But, how does a kid smokin fatty's on Waikiki get enough cash for a world tour? If your taking that many drugs, your selling them as well.
Obama belonged to a gang who called themselves the "Chume" gang. Who indeed sold drugs.
Talk about hiding crimes..
Publius, but the standards the GOP set when they called Bill Clinton a draft dodger, so is Mitt Romney. Again, the GOP set the standard, not me.
Tell me, why does the GOP still want to treat being a Muslim as if it is some kind of a crime? Do we or do we not have Freedom of Religion? ...or is it really just "Freedom of Religion" in that you are merely free to be whatever Christian denomination you choose (and we'll keep the Jews around for the money stuff)?
Chume? Surely you have evidence, yes? ...oh, and I mean other than some guy trying to hawk a book.
bill clinton did dodge the draft.....this ins not a lie, and even bill clinton admits he went overseas to dodge the draft.
joe biden dodged the draft with 4 deferments.....he admits this freely
baraak obama has indeed sealed up all of his own records (why are you trying to deny this ?)
obamas college applications.....where he applied as a foreign student....are sealed ....BUT YOU KNEW THIS , RIGHT ?
NOW OBAMA SAYS MIT ROMNEY "MURDERED A WOMAN" ......i think its time obama was impeached...charged with murder of a federal agent.
obama is the most hate filled, anti-american, bastard POS.....i have no words for this pig.
...and you can prove that he pulled the trigger?
Romney is the least transparent and experience Republican candidate in decades. His economic plan blows a 5 trillion dollar hole in the debt, giving tax breaks to the rich while raising taxes on the middle class.
Rich Mourdock a TeaWacko favorite will barbecue dogs with the Romney's at the Convention for Conservative Values !!!!!!!!!!
...and you can prove that he pulled the trigger?
This coming from the same party that says Obama killed Bin Laden?
Did Obama pull the trigger? Besides, I thought it is guns that kill people?
you thought wrong
Thats why he is putting soccer goals and basketball courts in Gitmo. Obama knows he should be going there so he is trying to make it nice.
Cut through all the rationalization and it still comes down to one constant - Romney has no core convictions. He's taken multiple sides of every issue, sometimes on the same day. That's why true conservatives don't trust him, and independents will never support him.
He'd have no support at all if it wasn't for the rabid and irrational hatred of the President by the right wing. And even they can't come up with a reasonable argument, so they throw out all the hot button terms (socialist, marxist, foreigner, etc.) and twist facts like pretzels. Hoepfully the population at large will dismiss this garbage for what it is and make the rational choice by voting for the President in November.
Did it ever occur to you that those are for base personnel considering that Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is still an active US military installation?
Eric-913730 says "Romney... His economic plan blows a 5 trillion dollar hole in the debt"
Which means he is going to spend less then Obama. Did you ever think the day would come when liberals like Eric would be making the argument for electing Romney? Even if they don't have any actual facts to back up the claims about Romney's plan, since when has embellishment gotten in the way of liberals?
Other then raising taxes on the top earners to bring in another 80 billion a year, what is the Obama plan? Maybe another stimulus because this time he won't need to pay off all his cronies so he can create more public sector jobs that don't generate revenue? Maybe demanding an actual budget from the senate? Lets face it, Obama is just wandering around a dark room trying to find the light switch. But that seems to satisfy liberals.
You know, considering that President Obama's college records are supposedly sealed, there seem to be an awful lot of people around here who already know for a fact what's in them and are willing to accept what they "know" as the gospel truth. So how can the President be "hiding" what so many people have already seen with their own eyes and documented as fact? Anyone care to explain?
Actually, 2.5 of those trillions go towards the wars that President Bush decided it was prudent to keep off the books as well as the unfunded Medicare mandate. Add to that the bank bailouts and you have a fairly good accounting of where "Obama's" money was spent.
If you want a fiscally conservative president, elect Obama.
If you want a president who promises you fairy dust and voodoo accounting, elect Romney.
The funny thing is, it is liberals who are fiscally conservative. Even the spending programs that they advocate stimulate the economy more than the spending; the tax cuts that they advocate help the middle class; the tax raises that they advocate puts the money to better use.
The real problem is that Conservatives have managed to reduce the conversation to a 5-year old's level, and all of the issues I have mentioned above require some degree of maturity to understand.
This is the reason you see the Romney campaign perpetually churning out statements taken out of context. The idea is to create so much noise that we are unable to have a reasonable dialog about the problems of the country - because all of the real solutions are liberal ideas.
noid -- you said: "Did it ever occur to you that those are for base personnel considering that Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is still an active US military installation?"
from msnbc (this site) june 7:
Among the recent improvements to the facility commonly known as “Gitmo”: a heavily guarded soccer field for detainees known as “Super Rec,” which cost nearly $750,000 and opened this week;cable television in a communal living quarters and “enriching your life” classes for detainees, which include instruction on learning to paint, writing a resume -- even handling personal finances.
Air-brushed repube -
Sorry, I must have left the sarcasm font off again - I'm on your side! The point I was so ineptly trying to make was that there are so many whackos on here claiming they already KNOW what is in the President's college records - the "fact" that he applied as a foreign student, for example - that I don't understand why they keep demanding that he prove to them what they've already made up their minds they've already seen proof of! No doubt in one of those idiotic chain e-mails they keep passing around. Or maybe they read it on The Blaze or breitbart.com. In any case, I'll try and be a bit clearer next time. Mea culpa.....
I'll bet you $10,000 that you can't find a single video clip showing Obama actually saying that! No takers? I thought so.
Not even remotely true, Obama never ever said that. Not even the independent super-PAC ad that started the whole kerfuffle did that. So where did that big lie come from? Rush Limbaugh, of course, and there IS video of him actually saying it.
Gee, Keck just proved that he's just another dittohead!
Did you know that no candidate for President who has ever had a tap-dancing horse fail to medal in the Olympics has gone on to win the election?
Wonder if Ann or Myth ever carry the pooper scooper....or do they just believe in the natural fertilization of their entitlement?
I take it democrats have totally written off the equestrian vote? All those trainers, riders, feed suppliers, vets, vet techs, moms and dads of kids learning to ride? All those instructors, folks who work the farms- those votes not that important?
Do, please, keep right on insulting them. Every little bit helps.
nojoe - you have absolutely no idea about horse people. Most are not the filfthy rich like the romney's. Most board other horses, give lessons, and actually clean their own stalls. That is kind of like saying Rubio is hispanic - he is Cuban and there is a big, big difference, just ask any Cuban you know - they will tell you in a heartbeat they are Cuban, not hispanc. Trainers of quarter and walking horses think the dressage thing is quite silly - horse country is part of bubbaland and I've lived here all my life so this is one issue I am quite familiar with. My father in law trained and broke horses all of his adult life and did not have much respect for folks in the romney income circle, for good reason - they did not actually care about their horses, they only cared about their status in the "club".
Well, speaking as an equestrian, no jo, we are very much offended by people like Queen Ann who sell off a lame horse by doping it so it can walk. Especially when they sell it to a friend. Not to mention calling a business write off a "therapy horse" when it is no such thing.
Since you don't know one end of a hoof pick from another, it would behoove you not to speak of things you know nothing about.
Murder you idiot! THEY ARE NOW ACCUSING ROMNEY OF MURDER!
Union baby- read noid's post.
Then re-read mine.
Get the point now?
All these pithy little digs at dressage- I somehow think they will not go over well with the people I mentioned in my post.
So do, please, continue.
Yeah, and John Kerry was "hoity-toity" for windsurfing?
Looks like Willard had a overdose of Bozo pills !!!
Child Tax Credit = $1,000
Rafalca's Tax Credit = $77,000
Do we not see the problem here???
Do they let horses vote?
Yeah!
Because Mr. & Mrs. J.Q. Public have the ability to write off $77K as a business expense, while worrying about putting food on the table!
Go back to bed Donna, where you can continue dreaming...
And as if most Americans are familiar with dressage.
I'd suggest they check for a Rafalca HA Romney voter registration card....
I actually never got the wind-surfing thing. To me it showed that Kerry was fit and active---good traits in a President. I'm not sure we know what it is Mitt does by way of sports. We know he knows football team owners and Nascar team owners but beyond that not sure.
My guess is that the "equestrian vote" will go the way the rest of the vote will--the 1% will line up solidly behind Mitt (can't blame them for that) and the "people" who do the daily work will support President Obama.
Well done, sir! I especially liked the middle initials!
You socialists are the only ones concerned about other people's money. Normal Americans don't care how much someone else makes, they are concerned about how much they make and how much the government wants to take from them.
Romney's worst enemy is Mitt Romney, he does look like bozo in some ways.
no joe, no bo, NutJob i take it that Democrats have totally written off the Equestrian vote?
I can't believe this post. LOL. Thats reaching. A 77k a year tax deduction should really piss off the people who work at the horse stables. Thats 3 years pay for some of people who work at the horse stable. Hell the dancing horse eats better than most of the people who work at the stable. So your saying the stable person is going to vote for Rmoney when his dancing horse eats better than him. no joe the dancing horse eats better than you and your going to vote Rmoney.
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Smitty - njnb doesn't use common sense - or any other kind. But, you said it perfectly!
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Dressage - isn't that what you do to your first grader when you're getting him ready for school?
SMELLIELIOT.."Normal Americans don't care how much someone else makes, "
Conservatives are NOT a MAJORITY & neither is the GOP, so what & how do you know ANYTHING about "NORMAL People"?
RWNJ'S are ALWAYS CONCERNED that they are not able to live for free like those Cadillac Welfare people.. that THEY don't eat FREE CHEESE....and yet YOU never breathe a single word about Petroleum WELFARE & TAX DEDUCTIONS or the rape of America by WALL STREET, ENRON, Silverado Savings or the rest of the corporate welfare queens ?
ENVY & GREED are the SOLE motivators of the GOP & their RWNJ sycophants & minions..... intellectual slaves to stupidity & avarice .
Obama's sport was "snortage". While horses can't vote apparently their asses can and they are all in for Obama/Biden.
Not even close to the truth.
That wild-assed lie was brought to you by Rush Limbaugh and his merry band of ditto-heads!
I heard Romney wants to cut taxes for the very rich, paying for them by raising taxes on the middle class by thousands of dollars.
...since that's what I heard, it's written here, and no one can prove its false, then it's gotta be true!
That is odd, because Romney has not release details of his tax plan.
That's right. No details. You're buying a pig in a poke.
Details always come out after Labor Day, but feel free look foolish.
Liberals do defy all logic. If a liberal accuses you of something, and you don't prove them wrong, then it must be true. How do liberals get so stupid?
mhrjhn - No, details do NOT ALWAYS come out after Labor Day. When a candidate has an actual plan - with details - they release it. My guess is Romney's plan will come out - NEVER!!!!
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Right wing nut jobs defy all logic. They accuse Obama of hiding documents, and then bring up Willard in his magic underwear. Is that where he keeps his tax returns and bank account numbers? R-money is a sell out, a fool, and a creep.
Obama has spent millions keeping everything about his past sealed. That is a simple fact. While Romney has hidden nothing, he did as is required by law and filed his tax returns with the IRS. If the IRS is going after Romney, one can only assume that there is no reason to. But we know logic is a difficult concept for liberals to understand, so you just keep beating your drums and thinking people care.
Rick,
Wow, the tax return he released was not complete and we are still waiting for the 2010. We also dont know how he ran Mass or the Olympics and we the people need to see the years of when he was not running for office. If a dem was hiding this much you and the teabaggers would not let up on this just like the rest of us are not going to stop asking WHERE ARE THOSE TAX RETURSN!!
Rick - again with the stupidity. President Obama has spent NOTHING sealing his records. He has sealed NOTHING!
My gosh - talk about beating a dead horse! Are you that devoid of original thought? Oh right, you're a Republcian - 'nuff said!
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This isn't about law. So long as Mr Romney is willing to stay a private citizen he can do whatever he wants according to the law.
If he wants me to vote him a job, he better tell me as much as every other President in modern times has told me about his tax history.
Bishop Willard has painted himself into a corner for the UMTEENTH TIME..
each & every Etch-A-Sketch time he has performed this trick
HE HAS BLAMED THE PAINT OR THE BRUSH...
he PRESUMES that the average voter is ignorant enough to believe those excuses...
Bishop Willard ALSO PRESUMES that all HIS MONEY can BUY RESPECT & that AMERICA will LOVE a RICH MORMON...
.... how much more can the TWIT named Mitt be WRONG ?
SIX MONTHS from TODAY... EVERY GOP sycophant will have disavowed MITT and he will be COLLATERAL DAMAGE UNDER THE BUS..
his VP choice will have the same value as DAN QUALE & be FINISHED in POLITICS (political suicide).
Conservatives might just as well have BOUGHT ANN'S LAME HORSE
& run IT for POTUS....
at LEAST America would show some sympathy for the candidate then !
Bishop Willard is as NON FUNCTIONAL as Social Security PRIVATIZATION...
stands as much a chance of ever becoming successful ...ZERO !
Really People... He stated outright he supports the Ryan plan..
Rick prove that Liberals are stupid. Hell, you said it, it must be true.
Most inventors, scientists, and women are liberal. Are they stupid?
Prove that Reid is lying! It is the same thing. Romney could destroy Reid career if he was honest, and gain big time in the polls. Guess what, by all evidence in the way Romney is handling the situation, Romney is lying.
Ryan has been in Washington for over 25 years. He knows how politics work and he knows you don't tie your future to a politician that flip flops on issues and upsets the base.
Republicans running for the House and Senate are distancing themselves from Romney because they know most Americans don't trust Romney and he flip flops so often that base voters will stay home if Romney campaigns with them.
Because Romney is a free loader who doesn't believe in Republican base ideas, his V.P. will be someone who is at the end of their political career or has already seen the Republican base move away from them. It will be Pawlenty or Portman. The other candidates would rather wait for 2016 when a true heavyweight enters the race on the Republican side. Someone who believes in America and keeps his money in America not foreign banks.
25 years? Are you sure? Paul Ryan? The little Janesville lawyer wasn't even born until 1970. He's 42. That would make him 17 when he enetered Congress. Correct me if I go it wrong, I always thought he didn't run until 1998.
PLEASE! PLEASE! Willard, pick Ryan for VP! Give Obama a landslide victory in November!
The newest research from Nate has it as:
Today
“Obama chance of winning 72.5% Romney 27.5%”
Projected Winner Obama 302.3
Projected Loser Romney 235.7
Who's Nate and why should we listen to him?
He is the best at picking the outcomes of elections. He is even better than me and I'm good at it.
Job 1,
Don't forget the people that make huge profits from taking bets.
Los Vegas betting line:
Barack Obama: -170 - Odds On Favorite
Mitt Romney: +140
http://www.politicalbettingodds.com/2012-us-presidential-election-odds.html
Job1
Did you pick 2010 right?
Did you pick 2010 right?
In the end or last 2 weeks of that cycle, I went with Nate who called it. Hardly anyone voted in that election and Nate called these low numbers would cost the Democrats.
When all you have standing around Obama is Pelosi, Reid, and Wasserman-Shultz, that is like having three hyenas waiting to see what might be left of the carcass. Democrats are all coming down with hangnails or unbreakable appointments as reasons they are skipping the convention. In fact the Democrats will be paying people to fill the seats at the convention, but then again Obama has been buying votes since he came to Washington so maybe that is just par for the course.
Nate is a hand puppet that Job1 talks to before bed time. He has the same odds of being right as any coin toss.
Rick - the Democratic convention - as always - will be well attended and no one will be paying anyone to fill seats. You've clearly confused the convention with one of Romney's events where - if they didn't pay people - you could count the numbers on your hands.
Now, run along. Your lies just look foolish!
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Nate Silver is an amazing statistician and an extremely intelligent young man. Bet his parents are proud!
New Vegas odds out
Up from -170, the Democrats now sit at -190 which is just short of 1/2 odds. With the Dems going up, the Republicans had to fall. Now sitting at +155 (down from +140
Which isedently comes out to about 72.5% to 27.5%, which is about were Nate calls the odds.
Put your money where your mouth is Rick, I dare you! BTW most casinos are Republican owned. So when they aren't willing to bet on Romney, who will?
GOP never accused anyone of murder. Here we have a standing President accusing a political rival of being a felon, tax dodger, now murder, even a Draft dodger,
Draft dodger? Hardly.
Mitt Romney received a single, 2-1/2 year religious deferment so that he could perform his [required] missionary obligations to the Mormon Church.
In addition — just like every other college student in the U.S. — Romney received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies.
In April 1965, Romney stepped-up and registered with the Selective Service and, like tens of thousands of other in-school college students and missionaries he was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. When he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew #202 number in the annual draft lottery and at that time no one drawing higher than #195 was drafted. When you register and draw a number, your not in Canada burning your draft card,
What did Obama do as a young man? Did he feel the need join the military? Why not? His grand father was ex military, he felt no need to carry on the tradition?
No. He travelled to Madrasah's in Karachi Pakistan, Hyderabad in India this most muslim city in India established in 1591 by the mulsim Mohgal leader Sultan Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, as well as the most muslim country on the planet Idonesia.
So as young men, one manned up for when his country called, they other got in touch with his muslim roots. But, how does a kid smokin fatty's on Waikiki get enough cash for a world tour? If your taking that many drugs, your selling them as well.
Obama belonged to a gang who called themselves the "Chume" gang. Who indeed sold drugs.
Talk about hiding crimes..
Well, your comment sets a new low for ignorance. Who sells you on these dopey "facts?" Just hopeless. Seriously.
"When you register and draw a number, your not in Canada burning your draft card"
Did that fact fly over your head like a frizbee numbskull?
Your programming skipped right over that, brain-washed fool
Acutally publius (are you really prebius? bet you are!), the republicans accuse every women in this nation who uses birthcontrol of murder eacn and every month of her adult life if she does not become pregnant. I think our country has outlived you gotta be in the military in order to be president (remember georige really was not in the military, he had a political spot in the guard and was a womanizing, druggie drunk). Not sure how you can call tropping off to France to spread mormonism is patriotic (to most of us in the south mormons are a cult - could be why the SBC and bubba's are not totally in your camp this year) - mitt never manned up to anything except maybe when he designed the elevator for his california garage. Most kids go to school where their parents tell them to go, bet mittens did too. Did you actually purchase your drugs from Obama and the chume gang? That would be the only way I'd believe you - now who is hiding things? that would be you and mitt.
The National Guard is a branch of the military.
Here we have a standing President accusing a political rival of being a felon, tax dodger, now murder, even a Draft dodger,
Draft dodger? Hardly.
President Obama never accused Willard of what you claim.
"The Republican Brain"
You ever meet a mormon? Do you understand anything about their the religion? You call them a cult? Do you want to burn them at the stake? Have even read the constitution? The freedom of religion? The draft laws? Any of that? I show that accusation of Romney being a draft dodger, and you go out on some kind of mind boggling tangent about cults and Bush where you do not have the integirty to admit the flat out lie?
YOU are programmed.
indoctrinated more like it
That is the definition of draft dodging you pathetic tool. There was no draft when Obama was of that age. Romney was a draft dodger-do you get it? He Dodged the draft. And by the way I am exactly Romney,s age and I was drafted-and served in Vietnam.
Publius - do you expect ANYONE but the far right loonies to believe your lies? The fact that you have no "facts" and don't even understand President Obama was not draftable when we had a draft - speaks volumes about you. None of it good.
But, continue to post your nonsense and looker even more foolish! You clearly have an agenda and truth doesn't enter into it.
B White - (okay, my guess is you're NOT Betty!) thank you for your service!
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Publius.....I am mormon but not active. I can see how others would think of the church as a cult, their are some similarities but I can assure you they are just your standard christian god loving religion. Every religion has it's quirks but this topic is for another day.
As far as romneys missionary work, that is strickly voluntary. The church doesn't force anyone to go on a mission. When you make it known to their bishop that you want to go, then you get your calling so it is concievable that romney used that to avoid vietnam. Thousands of young men used reasons to avoid it.
And you should think twice before giving romney some sort of star on his forehead for registering for the draft. Back then is was mandated we all register. I for one had to take my butt down to the post office and do it when i turned 18.
bill clinton did right? i mean he went on to what oxford but he missed the whole vietnam thingy. so did bushy jr. since you're a jack mormon please elighten us if you miss you mission calling, how far in the LDS church will you go? Stake president, bishoprick?
National Guard was a great way to avoid Vietnam when one's college deferment ran out. That's why my ex-husband joined the AirNG. I don't blame anyone for trying to avoid that war.
Well, technically every religion you don't prescribe to is a cult. So unless you are a Mormon, it is a cult. Cults are not necessarily bad, they are groups that work together and believe the same thing. Cults, however are responsible for indoctrinating their youth to their beliefs. Why can't you trust someone to make up their own mind? Get them when they are young and fragile.
The Clintons in the Jodie Foster case.
Wow, it took nearly 2 seconds to come up with a prime example!
Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
BTW, neither Obama nor the super PAC ad actually accused Romney of "murder". That little white lie was made up by Rush Limbaugh, and is repeated by his faithful dittoheads, who never bother to check facts.
A few notes for my true, conservative repuke pals:
Romney is a RINO. A wishy-washy, flip flopping, pragmatic to the max, say anything to get the deal done RINO. Now, contrary to some comments in National Review about keeping a President Romney on a short leash, keeping him in line, yada yada...well, I wouldn't count on it. He is what he is and he ain't one of your true fellow right wing travellers. You do not get elected Governor of Massachusetts if you are a right wing hog.
I can't think of anything I ever agreed with Palin about. But she would be right in saying that electing Willard as a CONSERVATIVE is truly lipstick on the proverbial pig.
(And if you don't think he's out of touch, just ask any average person on the street their feelings about wife Ann's involvement in dressage. Just wait for the looks. Seriously. Try it. I did. Should have had a camera.)
So, the President "evolves" is positions, but Romney is a flip-flopper,
Please do tell what is the difference?
I can answer that Publius*, the difference is whether you have a "D" or an "R" after your name.
It doesn't matter who Willard Romney picks as VP, he will lose. The Electoral Vote has Obama way ahead, and the republicans should save their money and focus on 2016.
As usual, none of you can actually address my comment. Just more brainless posturing.
"Evolving" is moving slightly to the right or left.
President Obama has always supported gay rights and civil unions - backed up by his support of the repeal of DADT. It is only a small step to supporting gay marriage.
Romney in 1994 (Senate campaign): claimed in an interview he would be "to the left of Ted Kennedy" on Gay Rights.
Romney 2002 (campaigning for Governor): "All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual orientation. Mitt Romney believes domestic partnership status should be recognized in a way that includes the potential for health benefits and rights of survivorship."
Romney 2004 (Gov of MA, considering Presiential run): "If the question is, 'Do you support gay marriage or civil unions?' I'd say neither. If they said you have to have one or the other, that Massachusetts is going to have one or the other, then I'd rather have civil unions than gay marriage. But I'd rather have neither."
That is the definition of a flip/flop - a complete reversal of your position.
Let me know if you need more examples, I have a slew of 'em.
Obama only changed his stance on Gay Marriage a few months ago, He did this so when he Goes to prison for Fast & Furious he can be the First Lady and Holder can be the President at Leavenworth Prison.
Publius *
So, the President "evolves" is positions, but Romney is a flip-flopper,
Please do tell what is the difference?
PUBLIUS........
In the words of THE GREAT W.C. FIELDS...
" NEVER educate a CHUMP" AND " NEVER give a sucker an even break"
because they just come back for more of the same anyway !!
When the end of November rolls around, you will have DUCKED YOUR RESPONSIBILITY and have DISAPPEARED FROM HERE.... unwilling & UNABLE to defend your position & Bishop Willards FAILURE...
Expecting ANY LIBERAL to "WISE YOU UP" is like asking US for WELFARE,
surely you are NOT THAT morally decrepit & physically disabled...are you ?
BEGGING LIBERALS FOR AN EDUCATION ought to get you BRANDED as a RINO or at least a COMPROMISER !
Romney hasn't expanded the map and, barring another 9/11, I can't see a game changer. I don't think Ryan's it. A dictionary definition of "schaudenfreude" is watching me laughing my @ss off watching conservative exasperation with Romney. Romney talking about health is interesting and confirms that there are some VERY popular parts to ACA. So, you can vote for a talker or you can vote for a do-er!
Yes, he had a higher calling: Going to France to save the heathen French from their sins. There's no evidence that he converted one single Frenchie to Mormonism, but I'm sure he had a heck of good time not doing it.
There is not evidence that did'nt. The accusation that Romney was a draft dodger is a flat lie. And you do not have the intellectual integrity to admit and come up with this reply?
YOU are completely brain-washed,
Publius *
I didn't use the words "draft dodger" you moron. I said he went to France to convert the heathen French, with zero evidence he converted anyone to Mormonism. If you think that's the same as draft dodging, tough. Those are the facts whether you like them or not.
Answer us one question. This is a test. Is Mitt Romney a Draft Dodger? Simple question, yes, or no.
Publius *
If chilling out in France to avoid service is draft dodging, then yes he is, just as much as Bill Clinton who was accused of draft dodging because of his student deferments. It makes no difference that Clinton was opposed to the Vietnam war while Romney was a cheerleader for it as long as he didn't have to serve. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the chicken hawk.
Folks, this post speaks for itself.
Publius *
Too bad yours doesn't say anything at all.
Houston! - You can't fix stupid (Publius)!
Publius, calm down. Why are you so concerned about draft-dodging? What is your definition of draft-dodging?
If Romney got a deferment above his educational deferment, yes, he dodged the draft. If, after completing his educational deferment, he made himself available for the draft, no, he did not dodge the draft.
In Obama's case, none of this applies as the draft had ended by the time he was of eligible age.
I would thank Obama for his military service but he did not have any. Not a single day.
The newest research from Nate has it as:
Today
“Obama chance of winning 72.5% Romney 27.5%”
Projected Winner Obama 302.3
Projected Loser Romney 235.7
Good Morning America.
Over 100 million Americans are on some sort of Government Assistance under President Obama, on his "Island of Bad O-conomy"
(An all-time record for our country)
That should be something to get folks excited!
Who's would be voting for more of the same.....8.3% Unemployment Rate and growing....under our president Mr. Obama
Actually, you should take a hard look at the Reagan administration.
http://themessageis.com/ronald-reagan-is-not-george-washington/
All4reason - and the reason so many people are unemployed is because there are so few jobs - thank your obstructionists GOP in Congress for that situation. So, we are voting as many of the GOP out as possible in November to fix the problem. See how easy that is?
Obama/Biden 2012
this is funny @!$%#. If the headline has Romney in it. You can bet the first 5 on here will be Fiesty and team libbies. You guys must get paid for you hate and nonsense. I will say this, you guys are, a for sure bet as first few comments.
All that money spent and the only story every day is about Willard's tax cheating.
maybe you are thinking of obama administration tax cheats timothy geithner and joe biden.
3 1/2 years and a sitting President can't seem to have an overwhelming lead in the polls 89 days before election day.
He spent over $100 Million running the dirtiest campaign in modern times againts Romney, and still, he can not shake him.
In more refreshing news.
The newest research from Nate has it as:
Today
“Obama chance of winning 72.5% Romney 27.5%”
Projected Winner Obama 302.3
Projected Loser Romney 235.7
And the refreshing news of the Senate is????? Want to discuss what happens with an Obama in the WH and a Republican-controlled Congress????
In the worst case if the Democrats lost the Senate which could happen, having President Obama would be our saving grace. However, I don't thank that will happen and Nate is leaning the same way.
In the worst case, within 2 years Republicans would be surely ousted for failure to do anything, and return the Senate and/or House to the Democrats.
Ben - so you're gloating over a do-nothing congress who are now and would be obstructing everything to get this country back into prosperity? How unAmerican of you but how totally Republican!
Obama/Biden 2012
ben here is some refreshing news for you. The republicans will not have the 60 votes to pass anything. Than the Democrats can do the same thing the republicans have been doing for the last three and a half years. thats block anything republican.
Hey Looky HERE!!!
I heard....
...that Mitt Romney has to use Viagra!
And since no one can prove me wrong, it's the dag-namit truth!
Well he is kind of limp. I think you are probably right.
patHuntingtonNY I thought only the republicans could tell stories like that. Their have had allot of practice over the last 3.5 years.
Mitt Romney the GOPs candidate is starting to unravel in the worst way and at the most in-opportune time. With one of his press secretaries off the campaign trail commented blunders, yet true remarks about this womans death and how it could have been prevented. Only undermines the GOP reasonings for the health care debates. And gives the President and the Democratic party justification for the American people to have health care in the first place. But what is even more of a sweeter gift horse is the V P selection that M.Romney is about to make. Me. I'm hoping that he picks Ryan as his running mate. Between the two of them and their right wing agendas. The President and the Democratic party will have so much ammonition to flatly level this so called neo-con Republican party into submission. That they might not ever recover. But who knows what will happen? So for this upcoming election people, please vote. And vote for what is best for all of us Americans. And not just any certain party or group...
In 2004 running for re-election, Bush never stooped to the level of dirt we have seen coming from our president Mr. Obama this year.
Mr. Obama's personal attacks and promotion of "Class Warfare" are a very negative approach in his failed attempts to lead our country.
Bush ran on his record and stayed above the fray of "nasty" despite attacks by Kerry and the liberal left. This is missing from our president, Mr. Obama's campaign.
Staying out of the dirt, unlike our president, helped Bush achieve re-election.
Sad that Mr. Obama has choosen to go nasty with his efforts to divide the country.
His choice to run on excuses and blame to try and distract from his inability to move our country and our people.....forward.....obvious
Swift Boat Veterans For "Truth" ring a bell? Apparently not.
He has no ideas so he has to play dirty. It is all he knows.
Sad thing is some will vote for him. They are the truely deranged ones.
The "bell" is that Bush never talked bad about his opponent. Swift boat never uttered by Bush.
Unlike our president Mr. Obama who has gone nasty frequently...
stooping to the "dirt tactics"
Enough of the division of our people with his Class Warfare cries
Actually, the Reagan administration is and was the most corrupt and dirtiest in recent history. That's a fact!
http://themessageis.com/ronald-reagan-is-not-george-washington/
All4Areason
"The "bell" is that Bush never talked bad about his opponent. Swift boat never uttered by Bush."
Harry Reid is the one talking about the Romney tax liabilities (or lack thereof). Priorities USA is the group talking about Joe Soptic's late wife. Which makes the president as pure as you think Bush was.
Now if you really want to talk about divisive, let's review again what Romney thinks about Californians. Well, Romney, I got news for you - take your multi-million La Jolla mansion and blow it out your proverbial ass - you're divisive attitude isn't welcome in diverse California. We do not need the type of leadership that tells the most populous state with the largest economy in the country to go eff themselves.
NEVER EVER forget the call by a STATE GOVERNOR to
OPEN FIRE ON CHILDREN & STUDENTS
for exercising their 1st Amendment RIGHT in public in the face of
ARMED STATE THUGS
Ronnie Reagan - 4/7/1970... "IF it takes a (student)BLOODBATH, then let's get it over with now !"
Kent State Massacre - 5/4/1970
Compared to Reaganism, McCarthyism was an amusement park ride !
The right-wing is not excited by Romney. The only thing uniting the wing nuts is their hatred for Obama. Most American's, while disappointed with the economy, like Obama. They don't like Mitt. Look for Obama's lead to widen in September. Romney's many flip flops leave voters confused as to where he stands on anything.
The election is for the President of the U.S. NOT American Idol. Who cares if people "like" him.
It's not hate at all. It's total disappointment in his inability to lead and produce positive results for our country.
We are all stuck on this "Island of Bad O-conomy" until we get a new leader.
It's too bad the economy is lousy for you. Were not all 'stuck on the island of bad O-economy'. In fact, here in massachusetts were doing well. Businesses' are hiring and the unemloyment rate is below 8% and falling. If you believe Mitt will make things magically better, you're delusional. It won't happen.
R Bell couldn't said it better, here in Seattle things are getting better, got 2 jobs and people that aren't working is cause they don't want to here in seattle. Jobs are good here. those people whined about Obama and think Romney will save them keep dreaming Romney will get you jobless even more he'll fire you for his profits.
Watching both Limpballs and Ann Coulter have total meltdowns over this was one of the moments of year. LOL
Now Showing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue..... "Desperation - Time to Panic"
SKIPPER!!!
obama says that mit romney murdered a woman.
....obama is a liar.
obama says he knew nothing about the assault weapons he let go to the cartels in mexico that ultimately killed a federal agent
...obama is a liar
obama says that romeny will repeal womens right to choose if he is elected
...obama is a liar
i cant tell you the amount of hate obama is generating with his lies......but americans anger towards obama is turning into blind hatred for this criminal.
...americans should be scared of what this man is capable of....americans need to stop him from doing anymore damage.
The woman's husband simply pointed out that he lost health insurance due to Bain. In his situation, I think you would feel the same. In our current system, if you lose your job, and you get sick, you are on your own. Where's the lie? I don't think he used the word murder. You are the one making that analogy.
keck - President Obama said nothing of the kind. YOU are the liar!
Obama/Biden 2012
Keck, you are wrong. By misquoting the ad, you are making yourself the liar.
President Obama said nothing of the kind. He did not even put out the ad, a Super-Pac did, and candidates are prohibited from coordinating with Super-PACs.
Limbaugh said that, but Limbaugh is totally unacquainted with the Truth.
Neither Obama or any other Democrat ever said that.
Limbaugh should never be considered a reliable source for any facts. But if you're looking for crass insults, sleazy innuendos, unsubstantiated rumors, words taken out of context, and flat out lies, well, then Limbaugh is your man!
It's time for the conservative republicans to start focusing on 2016. But to do so they'll have to change their attitude toward American and get away from the angry and clueless candidates, ignore the tea people who are bring the party down and return to a party that is willing to help America instead of trying to bring us down.
We are not digging a deeper hole. Thats the lefts philosophy.
2012 is what we are focused on. Repeat of 2010.
See it's the angry, clueless tea people like you that the conservative republicans need to ignore rukidding. You've not only dug the hole to deep to get out of, you've covered it up and planted daisies.