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Show US your tax returns Willard!

As voters, we have every right to see what if any taxes you have paid & which loopholes you used to avoid them!

But... wait until after the convention, when the right wing nuts are stuck with you as their official nominee! ;o)

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Reply#1 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 1:59 PM EDT
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Like you'd recognize what's in them. And it isn't your right. Show me that in the constitution, you quack. When's the last time you filed, Welfare Broad?

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#1.1 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

Marco Rubio has released 7 years of returns.

It will be interesting to see if Marco is tapped as the VP nominee and how Mittens justifies releasing fewer returns.

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#1.2 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 2:54 PM EDT

kenva: What would cause you to talk to someone that you don't know the way that you just did. Jealousy? Inability to form an argument on merit?

Or projecting the way you live YOUR life on Feisty.

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#1.3 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

Show US your tax returns Willard!

Show US more than campaign slogans Hussein!

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#1.4 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

Do you rightwingers understand the legal concept of "burden of proof?" Romney can try to deflect and divert, he can try the old Projection Politics ploys, but the "I'm rubber, you're glue" shtick won't change 54% of voter's minds, or even 8% of undecided voter's minds.

And the false equivalencies from rightwingers have been mind-bending as well. Really? "You people" think attacking the president for conspiracy theories like his birth certificate compares to Romney releasing 8-10 years of his tax returns, which are always released by candidates? Or that college transcripts, which are never released by candidates compares to releasing tax returns? Seriously!? Or Eric Fuhrman equating Harry Reid's claim that he has a source who told him Romney has not paid his fair share of taxes is the same as McCarthyism? WTF!?

Sweet Jeebus the rightwing has gone off a cliff. They are completely insane, ignorant, and lacking any Rule of Reason.

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#1.5 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 3:46 PM EDT
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TruePatriot-445959

And the false equivalencies from rightwingers have been mind-bending as well. Really? "You people" think attacking the president for conspiracy theories like his birth certificate compares to Romney releasing 8-10 years of his tax returns, which are always released by candidates? Or that college transcripts, which are never released by candidates compares to releasing tax returns? Seriously!? Or Eric Fuhrman equating Harry Reid's claim that he has a source who told him Romney has not paid his fair share of taxes is the same as McCarthyism? WTF!?

Sweet Jeebus the rightwing has gone off a cliff. They are completely insane, ignorant, and lacking any Rule of Reason.

You have highlighted why i'm no longer a republican, and have been registered as an independent since 2005. The conservative platform is a recipe for stagnation. stagnation leads to death.

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#1.7 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:07 PM EDT

No one on this comment board has seen Willard's tax returns, so anything any of us say is complete speculation. So, here is my speculation:

Since Willard did not release all of his 2010 tax returns (incomplete federal release, and no state or local returns), and refuses to release anything else until he releases the 2011 returns (that I suspect will also be incomplete, not include any state or local information, and be released as close to the election as possible), he must be hiding something.

I suspect that his state and local taxes would show that he committed voter fraud by voting in Massachusetts when he claimed another state as his legal residence in his tax filings, and they would also show he was not legally eligible to be Governor of Massachusetts (the case was never completed in the courts).

I suspect that his federal returns would show that, prior to 2008, he was illegally sheltering money overseas, and took advantage of the IRS amnesty program that allowed him to pay back taxes owed without paying any penalties (or possibly minimal penalties). This means that, on the face of it, he did pay all taxes he legally owed, but he may not have done that for 10 years, as Sen. Reid has claimed, until he took advantage of the amnesty program.

I also suspect that he is furiously amending past returns to show what he wants them to show, and that if he releases anything, it will be the amended returns, and not the original returns. And they will probably be incomplete, just like his 2010 returns.

Romney is definitely not a man I would trust.

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#1.8 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

Matthew, Houston, TX -- Excellent post.

Tax scandal is already Romney's track record. If Ted Kennedy had released his returns, I'll bet Romney still wouldn't release his -- The old Projection Politics ploy he pulled again during his campaign for governor of Massachusetts. ALL his opponents released their tax returns, and still Romney wouldn't release his -- He started demanding tax returns for the spouse of his opponent instead!

And when it was too late, it was discovered that Romney lied about paying taxes in Massachusetts, rather he paid the lower taxes in Utah -- And he knew it because he was trying to fix this by paying taxes in Massachusetts retroactively before he got busted. It's like Bush becoming president in 2000 and learning after it was too late that in fact Bush did not win the popular vote -- despite voter suppression in states like Florida and problems in Ohio as we are seeing yet again.

What does it take? I suspect a lot of rightwingers know Romney is a lying cheat, but like him they will do and say anything to take the White House. David Vitter broke the law soliciting prostitutes, and yet he is still in office. I doubt John Edwards could ever reenter politics. Heck even Elliot Spitzer, or Anthony Weiner who didn't physically cheat will struggle to make a come back.

Not so for the "family values" Republicans. Aside from Romney, many of the 'henchmen' convicted during the Jack Abramoff scandal are back helping Team Romney. The double-standards in the Teapublican Party has destroyed any credibility, and most of all their POS candidate, Mitt Romney has NO credibility.

Enough!

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#1.9 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

Inability to form an argument on merit?

NDD,

Appears I have another pet troll to add to my ever growing collection... lol

Aren't they precious?

They're a dime a dozen around here these days! ☺

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#1.10 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

They seem to come in waves, Feisty. Something similar to a locust infestation.

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#1.11 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

Would Mittens (bain) purchase a company without seeing their Tax Returns??

Where's willard's tax returns??? Didn't Mcain return the 23 yrs of tax returns that you showed him?

Funny Mcain's not calling Reid a Liar...

Oh that's right after vetting Mittens Mcain chose palin....lol

Obama/Biden the Thinking Person's President 2012

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#1.12 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 1:54 AM EDT

OBAMA SUPERPAC RELEASES ONE OF THE MOST UGLY, MISLEADING ADS IN CAMPAIGN HISTORY

The Obama political machine's race to the bottom has dived deep beneath the muck of Harry Reid's lies about Romney's taxes and finally hit bedrock. Today Priorities USA released a new ad that will surely rank among the ugliest and most dishonest in the history of political campaigns. Titled "Understands" the ad features Joe Soptic describing how Mitt Romney is responsible for his wife's death from lung cancer. It's Lyndon Johnson's Daisy ad made more personal and therefore even more vile.

When Mitt Romney and Bain closed the plant, I lost my healthcare, and my family lost their healthcare. And a short time after that my wife became ill.

I don’t know how long she was sick and I think maybe she didn’t say anything because she knew that we couldn’t afford the insurance, and then one day she became ill and I took her up to the Jackson County Hospital and admitted her for pneumonia and that’s when they found the cancer and by then it was stage four. It was, there was nothing they could do for her.

And she passed away in 22 days.

I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he’s done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned.

If Soptic looks familiar that's because he was one of the narrators of the ads the Obama campaign launched in May. You may remember it as the ad where one of Soptic's co-workers compares Bain Capital to a "vampire." The new ad is by Priorities USA, an Obama approved SuperPAC. Priorities USA is prevented by law from coordinating its activity with the Obama campaign, but this ad is clearly meant to look like a continuation of the previous Obama campaign ad. Soptic is even wearing the same grey shirt he wore in the previous ad. And the claim about the death of his wife has been part of an Obama for America slideshow for months.

The emotional thrust of the new ad is Soptic blaming Romney and Bain Capital for his wife's death. He says she became ill "a short time" after he lost his job and his health care. But the timeline being presented in this ad is extremely misleading. According to a notice in the Kansas City Star uncovered by Politico, Soptic's wife died in June 2006. That's five years after the GST Steel plant was closed in 2001 and more than seven years after Romney left management of Bain to work on the 2002 Olympics in February 1999.

Politico asked Priorities USA to explain what Mitt Romney had to do with the death of a woman years after he'd left the company. Priorities strategist Bill Burton responded "We’re illustrating how long it took for communities and individuals to recover from the closing of these businesses." But length of impact is clearly not what the ad tries to depict. It says the illness happened "a short time after" and then emphasizes the wife's death just 22 days after being admitted to the hospital. In other words, the ad is intentionally misleading, suggesting to viewers that this happened shortly after the plant was closed, not years later.

President Obama has been personally involved in decisions which lead to layoffs. More people lost jobs at Solyndra than at GST Steel. How many people lost jobs at GM dealerships when the company went through downsizing and bankruptcy? Is President Obama personally responsible for the health of every spouse of those workers for the coming 5-7 years? If one of them dies of cancer in 2015, should Obama be blamed? It's an absurd standard and yet that's what Obama's SuperPAC is pushing with this ad. Forget hope and change. This election Obama is offering sleaze and viciousness.

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Update: CNN reviewed the ad this afternoon and found it is “not accurate.” Turns out Soptic’s wife still had her own insurance after he lost his job. She stopped working as a result of an accident:

In 2001, Joe Soptic loses his job when Bain closes the plant. His wife still has insurance, though, through her employer, Saver’s thrift store. A year later, Romney formerly leaves Bain. And it's that year, 2002, or perhaps 2003, Soptic tells CNN, that his wife leaves her job because of an injury. That's when she became uninsured without fallback insurance from her husband. A few years later, in 2006, she goes to the hospital is diagnosed with cancer and dies just days later.

Bill Burton at Priorities USA is now claiming that he did not intend to connect Romney to the death of Soptic’s wife. This is obviously a lie. Watch the video. There’s no other conclusion you can draw from it. This ad is so dirty that even the people who made it don’t want to take credit for it.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/07/Obama-SuperPac-Releases-One-of-the-Most-Ugly-Misleading-Ads-in-Campaign-History

    #1.13 - Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:19 AM EDT
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    Where in God's name do you think you have"The Right" to see anyones Tax Returns beyond what is required to run for the Presidency?

    What a desperate group of people you all are.

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    Reply#2 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

    This, from the side of the aisle that demands from President Obama such things as birth certificate and grades.

    Stupidity, thy name is Republican.

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    #2.1 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 2:34 PM EDT

    Mittens dear ol dad released 12 years of returns.

    Be half the man your dad was Mittens.....

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    #2.2 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

    sreeeeminglib - Mitt's isn't even in the same league as his father and he sadly knows it. He isn't one one hundreth the man his father was.

    Obama/Biden 2012

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    #2.3 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:34 PM EDT
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    Romney is just being as "transparent" with his life as Obama has been.

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    Reply#3 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

    Obama has released 12 years.

    If Willard Romney was clean, he would release his taxes and get a 10 point bump in the polls. With such logic, Willard is really dumb or dirty. Which is it?

    Just think what releasing his tax records, and proving Reid and the Democrats wrong would do for him. WHY NOT?

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    #3.1 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

    Nothing from Obama's past has come up to interfere with his performance as President. We don't know that of Romney. What if Romney becomes President, and we find out he is knee deep in financial relationships that impact his job perfomance? Cheney's relationship to Halliburton certainly colored his judgment on outsourcing functions formerly performed within the military. Result? Millions lost to fraud and mismangement during the Iraq War.

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    #3.2 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

    Job1,

    The same thing can be said of Obama. If in fact he attended those universities and received the grades that is claimed, and that he received the proper financial aid, that would clearly make the right look like fools. Instead, Obama has records sealed from public view. Don't you find yourself of a bit of hypocrite asking for something personal from one individual but at the same time defending another who hides aspects of his personal life?

    And if Romney were involved in anything illegal (the alleged tax loopholes or offshore accounts), don't you think that the IRS would have already audited his returns and done any necessary investigations? I mean if you can't trust the IRS, why should we trust Harvard?

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    #3.3 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

    JK - there is no reason to believe the IRS has audited Romney (although I bet they do now!) President Obama has NOT had any records sealed. Don't you find yourself a bit of an idiot saying things that aren't true? Of course you don't - you're a Republican and that's all you do - lie!

    Obama/Biden 2012

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    #3.4 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

    JK,

    I see by your moniker you are a old guy.

    In 1963, the great rumor mills began with the death of JFK.

    fast forward to today, your wild eyed theories about President Obama are nothing but Internet garbage.

    Do not beleive everything you read on the internet or on blogs.

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    #3.5 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 5:31 PM EDT
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    libsux - as usual, you just spout lies and your usual stupidity. Bush NEVER released his records.

    Outside the Beltway - 5/10/2012

    The New Yorker managed to get its hands on George W. Bush’s Yale transcripts during the 2000 campaign. They didn’t get them from the Bush campaign and, technically, whoever released them was violating Federal laws regarding the privacy of education records. Several months later, The Washington Post managed to get its hands on Al Gore’s education records, again without the consent of the campaign and in apparent violation of Federal law.

    Again - you're a liar. If you check the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission for Illinois - the Obama's inactivated their licenses and they can be re-activated by doing their continuing education and getting malpractice insurance.

    So, if you actually were not a lazy, idiotic Republican you could have found this out. But, you don't care about the truth or honesty.

    And, you don't have the intelligence of a rock so I guess computer searches are outside your realm of abilities.

    Your truly are a pathetic excuse for a person old girl but my guess is you already know that. You are a real representative of the mental midgets of the far right. Nothing more!

    Obama/Biden 2012

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    Reply#6 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 6:27 PM EDT

    Read it and weap libtardo's:

    Poll: Nine percent of Obama '08 voters want Romney now

    By: Hope Hodge

    8/6/2012 05:08 PM

    Favor is fickle, and hope and change was easier to promise than deliver on.

    A new Gallup poll shows that nearly 10 percent of voters who supported Barack Obama during his 2008 run have decamped and will be supporting Republican challenger Mitt Romney in this next election. At nine percent, the rate of Obama '08 defectors is nearly double the five percent of former McCain '08 supporters who now say they'll cast a vote for Obama.

    Partly loyalty is higher in the Republican camp too, with 92 percent of former McCain supporters saying they're sticking with the red ticket, while only 86 percent of Obama's 2008 base say they're staying true.

    The poll surveyed more than 2,000 registered voters who punched a ballot in 2008.

    Now for some number play: if we make the broad assumption that the poll data is representative of the general population and do some extrapolation, tallying nine percent of 69,456,897 (Obama's 2008 vote count) and subtracting five percent of John McCain's 59,934,814 votes, we end up with a potential 3.25 million more votes for Romney than McCain had four years ago. It's nothing concrete, but it's becoming clear that election 2012 will be a far different race than 2008 was.

    -- Finally a poll that asks the right questions!!!

    Romney 2012!!! Yeah Baby!!!

      Reply#7 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 10:45 PM EDT

      Deferred action program could legalize 1.8 million young immigrants

      By Liz Goodwin, Yahoo! News | The Lookout

      As many as 1.76 million young illegal immigrants could qualify for temporary legal status under President Obama's deferred action program, says a new report from the Migration Policy Institute. That's more than double the Obama administration's initial estimate of 800,000 people who would benefit from the program.

      The new number reflects the Obama administration's updated guidelines released last Friday depicting who qualifies for the temporary legal status. Initially, only young illegal immigrants under 30 who entered the country as children, graduated from high school and had no criminal record would make the cut. Now, young people who didn't graduate or receive their G.E.D. can still apply for the legal status as long as they re-enroll in high school by the time they apply.

      The government will begin accepting applications online on August 15, and administration officials said the nearly $500 application fee will completely pay for the administrative costs of reviewing the applications. Those accepted will also get work permits, and will have to renew their legal status every two years.

      Way to go Mr. President! You just added 1,760,000 illegal job seekers to the U.S. labor force!!! All for a few votes..

        Reply#8 - Tue Aug 7, 2012 10:57 PM EDT
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