NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro discuss the dwindling influence of moderates in Congress. Plus, a set of new state polls give President Obama some good news.
We need less political grandstanding and more representation of the people.
All of this political partisan divide that has moved the GOP from right of center to the extreme right wing has enveloped Congress in what is perceived as the worst Congress in our country's history.
Several GOP politicians are so fed up with their party that they are stepping down. This is not what our politicians are supposed to be doing.
We need to send a message to politicians that we need personal representation, not party representation.
Now more than ever we need to rid ourselves of the cancer in the House by throwing out as many RWNJ's as possible to get the House back in order.
Unless the Republican party comes back to the times when bi-partisanship wasn't a dirty word I think the Republican Party will soon be as insignificant as the Whig Party.
..........the Republican Party will soon be as insignificant as the Whig Party.
I believe you are absolutely right Beverly. We have seen political partys come and go in the past and if the GOP doesn't straighten out what they are doing today, they could be gone tomorrow.
The American people will not stand for overpaid prima-donnas "playing" politics at our expense. They and the party they represent will be sent packing once and for all.
nomoresameo - I believe the Democrats were saying that during and after the 2008 election but then the people saw the true Democrat agenda of making everyone to become dependent on the Federal Government. The people didn't like that so the Democrats in the House was voted out and replaced by the Republicans. In November this year the Democrats might retain the White House but Republicans will retain the House and take over the Senate.
The Tea Party is dragging the GOP down as it fades into obscurity. After the Republican Party loses heavily in November's election its leadership will have to rethink its investment in the TP brand. Hopefully, a humiliating loss in November will force the GOP to reform itself into a party that represents middle America again instead of only the right wing lunatic fringe as illustrated by sfcret and his degenerate ilk. It will be good for America to have two parties that are interested in serving the American people rather than just one. It's time the Republican Party returned to its roots.
Unless the Republican party comes back to the times when bi-partisanship wasn't a dirty word I think the Republican Party will soon be as insignificant as the Whig Party.
Well said. Bev, I wholeheartedly agree. The "if I don't get my way I'm going to take my ball and go home" crowd is getting really old.
I think Bi-partisanship is a dirty word to Democrats also. I don't see how Democrats can work on bi-partisan bills when Obama sends in partisan politics proposals and threatens to veto changes.
I think if we get a new president whether Democrat or Republican, bipartisan legislation can start to pass as it did under Bill Clinton and George Bush, but I can't imagine this happening with Obama holding veto power.
This problem is largely due to the lack of leadership in the GOP, but also rightwing media.
Instead of true statesmen/women in congress and intellectuals like William F. Buckley, Teapublicans are run by losers like Limbaugh -- Who's most recent rant was about the UK honoring their health care system at the Olympics as a conspiratorial plot to support President Obama. Rush, how about the two other countries where Romney blew it, Israel and Poland, are they in on this conspiracy too?
Cantor could very well get his arse kicked (along with Batcrap Bachmann, Joe Walsh, etc.). For every Teabagger like Cruz in Texas, hopefully another one or two will be booted out. Once extremists like Cantor are gone, the Republican Party will have a chance to become a credible, governing Party...maybe?
DON9876543 -- The "pox on both your houses" is complete BS, and sadly causes apathy and low voter turn-out making this an unpatriotic lie to spread as well. From the Washington Post: Let's just say it: Republicans are the problem:
Rep. Allen West, a Florida Republican, was recently captured on video asserting that there are "78 to 81" Democrats in Congress who are members of the Communist Party. Of course, it's not unusual for some renegade lawmaker from either side of the aisle to say something outrageous. What made West's comment — right out of the McCarthyite playbook of the 1950s — so striking was the almost complete lack of condemnation from Republican congressional leaders or other major party figures, including the remaining presidential candidates.
It's not that the GOP leadership agrees with West; it is that such extreme remarks and views are now taken for granted.
Also:
(CNN) -- Congress is reaching a point where it will no longer be able to function at all. Over the past two years, some members of the Republican Party have ramped up the partisan wars on Capitol Hill. They are threatening to bring the legislative process to a standstill.
For many years, journalists and scholars have lamented the rise of partisan polarization on Capitol Hill. The number of moderates has vastly declined and the number of bills that receive bipartisan support has greatly diminished. The usual culprits range from the advent of the 24-hour news cycle to changing demographics.
But now observers are starting to note that both parties are not equally to blame, especially in recent years.
And many political analysts such as Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have documented this fact with evidence:
In their new book, "It's Even Worse Than It Looks," Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein -- two of the most prominent talking heads in Washington, known for their balanced view and proclivity toward moderation -- say that the Republican Party is to blame.
"The GOP," they wrote in a Washington Post op-ed based on the book, "has become an insurgent outlier in American politics." Mann and Ornstein trace the partisan style back to the emergence of Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist in the 1970s, when the two men promoted a style of slash-and-burn, take-no-prisoners politics that has remained integral to the strategy of congressional Republicans.
The reason rightwingers spew their GOPee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I?" false equivalency about everything is because they can't make a case for their own failed ideology, and lack Rule of Reason in general.
I think the real reason the issue of Romney's refusal to release his tax returns won't go away is because Romney himself has said that he will pay for his proposed massive tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans by eliminating tax loopholes. But which ones will he eliminate? HE REFUSES TO SAY. Which raises the obvious question: will he close the loopholes that HE uses to hide millions in foreign accounts and offshore tax shelters? Or does he only intend to eliminate deductions and credits that OTHER people use., e.g., the ones that middle-class families rely on?
This is why Romney's secrecy is so maddening: We have no idea if his tax plan is a shamefully self-serving one that keeps the loopholes used by millionaires like him while cutting the ones used by middle-class families, since he refuses to release his returns (even his 2010 one is incomplete) and since he refuses to say anything SPECIFIC about his tax plan.
This seems to be his strategy: Just don't say anything, don't admit to anything, don't divulge any specifics about anything--and hope that people just dislike the President enough to vote for anyone else.
The more polarized be become the fewer problems we will solve. America has a growing list of issues that need our attention. Improved infrastructure, education, the power grid, and less reliance on oil is just for starters.
It seems to me that the right wing and most reporters have forgotten what the middle looks like - it looks like most of the Democrats in Congress right now. Actually the problem is they've forgotten what the left looks like and because the republicans have been calling the current crop of moderate Democrats "lefties" for so long people have actually started to believe that is what the left is. Hopefully it won't take too much reality for them to realize just how wrong they are - the left has been missing in action in American politics for a very long time. Maybe it's time for it to make an appearance just to provide some balance to the rightward rush that's been going on the last ten or twenty years.
Let's be clear what the tea party is. The tea party prefers property rights over people and the struggle of the "winners" over the struggle of the "losers". The tea party is extremely militaristic and wants to spend a far greater percentage of the dwindling government resources on defense (so that we can be even more offensive globally). The tea party has many, many members that obsess over the odd men out: "the illegals", gays, and women who want to have choice about their bodies. They demonize these people as outlaws and depraved. They want to get tough with these people, and therefore do things like volunteering to "help" the border patrol. They want to expand gun rights everywhere: to make it legal to carry guns into the workplace and into taverns serving liquor. In short, the tea party members are the brownshirts of Nazi Germany. If given more power, they will deliver this country into the hands of a "strong man". Their positions on what a modern government is supposed to do are completely outside what every other modern industrial nation would consider appropriate.
Can you point me to the pamphlet, manifesto or web site that lists all the characteristics of the TEA party you list?
Or maybe it is just a bunch of people who thinks the Government, Federal and State, spends too much. You realize you are getting your Federal Government at a 40% discount right now? How are you going to pay for the 100B increase in Medicare each year? How about the 900B stimulus that lowered unemployment by 0.1% and was such a success that the President wants a do over in the AJA?
And what about the states? They gave you a discount on government by pushing future pension liabilities off into the future to save money. How are you going to pay for that? How many towns and states will go bankrupt leaving their employees with nothing?
Or maybe it is just a bunch of people who thinks the Government, Federal and State, spends too much
Where were these people when Bush was putting two wars and a perscription drug plan on America's credit card? Where were these people when Alaska was milking the feds for infrastructure projects they didn't need?
The Tea Party doesn't object to government spending, as long as it benefits companies like Halliburton and cronies in the Red States.
Amy - The same old left wing talking points. If you remember the people were complaining about the wars and the prescription drug plan and the uncontrolled spending by Bush and the Republican controlled Congress. That is why they were voted in the elections of 2006 and 2008. We then found out the Democrats were just as bad, and kicked them out of the House in 2010, we will continue to boot them out of the Senate in 2012.
Every President at one time or another, especially Reagan and Clinton, had to work with the opposition party controlling Congress and both had successful 8 year terms. The fact that Obama refuses or lacks the leadership ability to work with a divided Congress is the main reason we are where we are.
Where were these people when Bush was putting two wars and a perscription drug plan on America's credit card? Where were these people when Alaska was milking the feds for infrastructure projects they didn't need?
Where indeed? They are in the same place as those who support a high-rail train system in California, that has no demand and is being built with borrowed money and is supported by politicians who will never use the system except for a photo op. I suspect they were in the same place that all the people who protested Bush's removal of civil rights are now. I wonder where are the people who protested against Bush denying terrorists court appearances but remain quiet while American Citizens are executed. I suspect they are in the same place as those who called Alberto Gonzalez a Bush puppet, but remained quiet as Eric Holder claimed the Administration had performed the due process leading up to the execution. I suspect they are in the same place as those who decried the Bush tax cuts, but supported their extension as the only way to save the unemployed.
That's right they are same as the animals in Animal Farm who will always support their side, and decry the other side as both sides implement the same policies. Whats the word...Partisans!
"We have one Establishment Party with two wings in this country"..John Meecham.
The fact that Obama refuses or lacks the leadership ability to work with a divided Congress is the main reason we are where we are.
What baloney. The Republicans were elected to the House in 2010 to focus on jobs and the economy, and, instead, they focused on throwing tacks in front of the recovery, in order to make President Obama a one term President. Even Olympia Snowe (R) said she couldn't stand the partinsonship anymore, when she retired from the Senate with a 75% approval rating in our state.
Amy - Who controls the Senate? It's Harry Reid and the Democrats and the Senate refuses to even bring the House job bills to the floor of the Senate for debate. It is the Senate that is the road block not the Republicans, and please don't give me this filibuster BS, every minority party has and will use the filibuster.
Do you even know what LEADERSHIP is? It is not running around the country playing the blame game and whining because one doesn't get every thing he/she wants.
How do you compromise with the House GOP when every single house member took the Grover Norquist pledge? They don't care anything about what Democrats want or what the President wants. McConnell has told the President to take a flying leap from day one. You cannot compromise on a budget or anything else with a group of right wing loonies that insists on making the Pentagon even bigger and cutting more taxes. The tea party influence has created a bunch of nut jobs pretending to be Congressmen in the House. Some members of the GOP Senate haven't given their balls to Grover, but there aren't many. (Dick Lugar and Olympia Snowe are now gone.) When the House GOP members get their brains and their balls back from Grover, we can perhaps negotiate. Until then, Dems must walk on through the hot wind of idiocy. It's like walking through the valley of the shadow of death. But these phases of idiocy generally run their course in five or six years (e.g., Joe McCarthy). The looney tunes are only just now discovering that they have been programmed by the Koch Brothers. Soon they will discover that the magical GOP fix for "Obamacare" is that another 20 million lose their healthcare and another thirty million will see their existing healthcare cheapened. Won't that be great? And, don't forget vouchers for medicare. If you're 69 years old with diabetes, forget about it. You won't need that voucher for long when you get that $10,000 policy. You'll be out with yesterday's newspaper.
I don't agree with everything the Tea party says, But i do give them credit for realizing that the deficit is our biggest problem going forward. They at least admit the problem , and I feel this is the first step for recovery.
I wish the left would stick to one line of argument. One minute they say the GOP is in disarray and on the verge of collapse. A minute later they are so highly organized and effective that they are credited for stopping all of Obama"s efforts to raise unemployment or prepare a budget for three years. They also single handedly made all the Dems in congress vote to support a war, that now they all claim to have opposed. But we are still there aren't we. To hear them speak you have to believe that Bush has more influence now than Obama has after three years in power. I have also learned that tax disclosure is more important than knowing why this administration gave drug dealers guns to kill our border guards. That does not sound like the CHANGE I was HOPING for.
We need less political grandstanding and more representation of the people.
All of this political partisan divide that has moved the GOP from right of center to the extreme right wing has enveloped Congress in what is perceived as the worst Congress in our country's history.
Several GOP politicians are so fed up with their party that they are stepping down. This is not what our politicians are supposed to be doing.
We need to send a message to politicians that we need personal representation, not party representation.
Now more than ever we need to rid ourselves of the cancer in the House by throwing out as many RWNJ's as possible to get the House back in order.
nomoresameo
Several GOP politicians are so fed up with their party that they are stepping down. This is not what our politicians are supposed to be doing.
nomoresameo that is so true.
Unless the Republican party comes back to the times when bi-partisanship wasn't a dirty word I think the Republican Party will soon be as insignificant as the Whig Party.
Ditto the Tea Party Caucus.
There's a very simple solution. Vote against the extremists in November.
It's seems the RWNJ's are not suffering at the polls by opposing what the Administration proposes.
..........the Republican Party will soon be as insignificant as the Whig Party.
I believe you are absolutely right Beverly. We have seen political partys come and go in the past and if the GOP doesn't straighten out what they are doing today, they could be gone tomorrow.
The American people will not stand for overpaid prima-donnas "playing" politics at our expense. They and the party they represent will be sent packing once and for all.
nomoresameo - I believe the Democrats were saying that during and after the 2008 election but then the people saw the true Democrat agenda of making everyone to become dependent on the Federal Government. The people didn't like that so the Democrats in the House was voted out and replaced by the Republicans. In November this year the Democrats might retain the White House but Republicans will retain the House and take over the Senate.
The Tea Party is dragging the GOP down as it fades into obscurity. After the Republican Party loses heavily in November's election its leadership will have to rethink its investment in the TP brand. Hopefully, a humiliating loss in November will force the GOP to reform itself into a party that represents middle America again instead of only the right wing lunatic fringe as illustrated by sfcret and his degenerate ilk. It will be good for America to have two parties that are interested in serving the American people rather than just one. It's time the Republican Party returned to its roots.
Well said. Bev, I wholeheartedly agree. The "if I don't get my way I'm going to take my ball and go home" crowd is getting really old.
I think Bi-partisanship is a dirty word to Democrats also. I don't see how Democrats can work on bi-partisan bills when Obama sends in partisan politics proposals and threatens to veto changes.
I think if we get a new president whether Democrat or Republican, bipartisan legislation can start to pass as it did under Bill Clinton and George Bush, but I can't imagine this happening with Obama holding veto power.
Amen!!!!!
This problem is largely due to the lack of leadership in the GOP, but also rightwing media.
Instead of true statesmen/women in congress and intellectuals like William F. Buckley, Teapublicans are run by losers like Limbaugh -- Who's most recent rant was about the UK honoring their health care system at the Olympics as a conspiratorial plot to support President Obama. Rush, how about the two other countries where Romney blew it, Israel and Poland, are they in on this conspiracy too?
Cantor could very well get his arse kicked (along with Batcrap Bachmann, Joe Walsh, etc.). For every Teabagger like Cruz in Texas, hopefully another one or two will be booted out. Once extremists like Cantor are gone, the Republican Party will have a chance to become a credible, governing Party...maybe?
DON9876543 -- The "pox on both your houses" is complete BS, and sadly causes apathy and low voter turn-out making this an unpatriotic lie to spread as well. From the Washington Post: Let's just say it: Republicans are the problem:
Also:
And many political analysts such as Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have documented this fact with evidence:
The reason rightwingers spew their GOPee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I?" false equivalency about everything is because they can't make a case for their own failed ideology, and lack Rule of Reason in general.
I think the real reason the issue of Romney's refusal to release his tax returns won't go
away is because Romney himself has said that he will pay for his proposed massive tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans by eliminating tax loopholes. But which ones will he eliminate? HE REFUSES TO SAY. Which raises the obvious question: will he close the loopholes that HE uses to hide millions in foreign accounts and offshore tax shelters? Or does he only intend to eliminate deductions and credits that OTHER people use., e.g., the ones that middle-class
families rely on?
This is why Romney's secrecy is so maddening: We have no idea if his tax plan is a shamefully self-serving one that keeps the loopholes used by millionaires like him while cutting the ones used by middle-class families, since he refuses to release his returns (even his 2010 one is incomplete) and since he refuses to say anything SPECIFIC about his tax plan.
This seems to be his strategy: Just don't say anything, don't admit to anything, don't divulge
any specifics about anything--and hope that people just dislike the President enough to vote for anyone else.
The more polarized be become the fewer problems we will solve. America has a growing list of issues that need our attention. Improved infrastructure, education, the power grid, and less reliance on oil is just for starters.
And that, shockingly enough, is what the founders of the GOP were all about (infrastructure and prosperity).
It seems to me that the right wing and most reporters have forgotten what the middle looks like - it looks like most of the Democrats in Congress right now. Actually the problem is they've forgotten what the left looks like and because the republicans have been calling the current crop of moderate Democrats "lefties" for so long people have actually started to believe that is what the left is. Hopefully it won't take too much reality for them to realize just how wrong they are - the left has been missing in action in American politics for a very long time. Maybe it's time for it to make an appearance just to provide some balance to the rightward rush that's been going on the last ten or twenty years.
Let's be clear what the tea party is. The tea party prefers property rights over people and the struggle of the "winners" over the struggle of the "losers". The tea party is extremely militaristic and wants to spend a far greater percentage of the dwindling government resources on defense (so that we can be even more offensive globally). The tea party has many, many members that obsess over the odd men out: "the illegals", gays, and women who want to have choice about their bodies. They demonize these people as outlaws and depraved. They want to get tough with these people, and therefore do things like volunteering to "help" the border patrol. They want to expand gun rights everywhere: to make it legal to carry guns into the workplace and into taverns serving liquor. In short, the tea party members are the brownshirts of Nazi Germany. If given more power, they will deliver this country into the hands of a "strong man". Their positions on what a modern government is supposed to do are completely outside what every other modern industrial nation would consider appropriate.
Can you point me to the pamphlet, manifesto or web site that lists all the characteristics of the TEA party you list?
Or maybe it is just a bunch of people who thinks the Government, Federal and State, spends too much. You realize you are getting your Federal Government at a 40% discount right now? How are you going to pay for the 100B increase in Medicare each year? How about the 900B stimulus that lowered unemployment by 0.1% and was such a success that the President wants a do over in the AJA?
And what about the states? They gave you a discount on government by pushing future pension liabilities off into the future to save money. How are you going to pay for that? How many towns and states will go bankrupt leaving their employees with nothing?
"Tax the rich a little more" ...my ass
Or maybe it is just a bunch of people who thinks the Government, Federal and State, spends too much
Where were these people when Bush was putting two wars and a perscription drug plan on America's credit card? Where were these people when Alaska was milking the feds for infrastructure projects they didn't need?
The Tea Party doesn't object to government spending, as long as it benefits companies like Halliburton and cronies in the Red States.
Amy - The same old left wing talking points. If you remember the people were complaining about the wars and the prescription drug plan and the uncontrolled spending by Bush and the Republican controlled Congress. That is why they were voted in the elections of 2006 and 2008. We then found out the Democrats were just as bad, and kicked them out of the House in 2010, we will continue to boot them out of the Senate in 2012.
Every President at one time or another, especially Reagan and Clinton, had to work with the opposition party controlling Congress and both had successful 8 year terms. The fact that Obama refuses or lacks the leadership ability to work with a divided Congress is the main reason we are where we are.
Where indeed? They are in the same place as those who support a high-rail train system in California, that has no demand and is being built with borrowed money and is supported by politicians who will never use the system except for a photo op. I suspect they were in the same place that all the people who protested Bush's removal of civil rights are now. I wonder where are the people who protested against Bush denying terrorists court appearances but remain quiet while American Citizens are executed. I suspect they are in the same place as those who called Alberto Gonzalez a Bush puppet, but remained quiet as Eric Holder claimed the Administration had performed the due process leading up to the execution. I suspect they are in the same place as those who decried the Bush tax cuts, but supported their extension as the only way to save the unemployed.
That's right they are same as the animals in Animal Farm who will always support their side, and decry the other side as both sides implement the same policies. Whats the word...Partisans!
"We have one Establishment Party with two wings in this country"..John Meecham.
The fact that Obama refuses or lacks the leadership ability to work with a divided Congress is the main reason we are where we are.
What baloney. The Republicans were elected to the House in 2010 to focus on jobs and the economy, and, instead, they focused on throwing tacks in front of the recovery, in order to make President Obama a one term President. Even Olympia Snowe (R) said she couldn't stand the partinsonship anymore, when she retired from the Senate with a 75% approval rating in our state.
Amy - Who controls the Senate? It's Harry Reid and the Democrats and the Senate refuses to even bring the House job bills to the floor of the Senate for debate. It is the Senate that is the road block not the Republicans, and please don't give me this filibuster BS, every minority party has and will use the filibuster.
Do you even know what LEADERSHIP is? It is not running around the country playing the blame game and whining because one doesn't get every thing he/she wants.
sfcret:
How do you compromise with the House GOP when every single house member took the Grover Norquist pledge? They don't care anything about what Democrats want or what the President wants. McConnell has told the President to take a flying leap from day one. You cannot compromise on a budget or anything else with a group of right wing loonies that insists on making the Pentagon even bigger and cutting more taxes. The tea party influence has created a bunch of nut jobs pretending to be Congressmen in the House. Some members of the GOP Senate haven't given their balls to Grover, but there aren't many. (Dick Lugar and Olympia Snowe are now gone.) When the House GOP members get their brains and their balls back from Grover, we can perhaps negotiate. Until then, Dems must walk on through the hot wind of idiocy. It's like walking through the valley of the shadow of death. But these phases of idiocy generally run their course in five or six years (e.g., Joe McCarthy). The looney tunes are only just now discovering that they have been programmed by the Koch Brothers. Soon they will discover that the magical GOP fix for "Obamacare" is that another 20 million lose their healthcare and another thirty million will see their existing healthcare cheapened. Won't that be great? And, don't forget vouchers for medicare. If you're 69 years old with diabetes, forget about it. You won't need that voucher for long when you get that $10,000 policy. You'll be out with yesterday's newspaper.
I don't agree with everything the Tea party says, But i do give them credit for realizing that the deficit is our biggest problem going forward. They at least admit the problem , and I feel this is the first step for recovery.
I wish the left would stick to one line of argument. One minute they say the GOP is in disarray and on the verge of collapse. A minute later they are so highly organized and effective that they are credited for stopping all of Obama"s efforts to raise unemployment or prepare a budget for three years. They also single handedly made all the Dems in congress vote to support a war, that now they all claim to have opposed. But we are still there aren't we. To hear them speak you have to believe that Bush has more influence now than Obama has after three years in power. I have also learned that tax disclosure is more important than knowing why this administration gave drug dealers guns to kill our border guards. That does not sound like the CHANGE I was HOPING for.
Why vote for a group of perpetual victims?