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Subscribe to RSSA bill to curb the sale of ammunition over the Internet is set to be introduced in Congress this week, the first piece of gun control-related legislation put forward since the shootings in Aurora, CO, 10 days ago.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) took to City Hall in New York City today to announce their bill that would effectively ban the purchase of ammunition over the Internet for anyone not licensed to do so. But, with little appetite for gun control legislation in the Senate and House, the bill is not likely to advance.
Still, Lautenberg and McCarthy sought to draw attention to the ease with which ammunition can be bought online. The alleged Colorado shooter, James Holmes, reportedly purchased more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the Internet in the weeks before the shooting spree that killed 12 in Aurora, CO, a Denver suburb. Holmes was charged today with 24 counts of first-degree murder and 116 counts of attempted murder.
"If someone wants to purchase deadly ammunition, they should have to come face-to-face with the seller," Lautenberg said in a statement. "It's one thing to buy a pair of shoes online, but it should take more than a click of the mouse to amass thousands of rounds of ammunition."
McCarthy said in a statement: "Law-abiding gun owners and shooters should support this legislation, because it hinders criminals from abusing the Second Amendment right that our nation promises and could save innocent lives in the process."
Before being elected in 1996, McCarthy became an advocate for tighter restrictions on guns after her husband was killed and her son was injured in a shooting on the Long Island Rail Road in 1993.
The bill, called the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act would require anyone selling ammunition to be a licensed dealer. It would require ammunition buyers who are not licensed dealers to present photo identification at the time of purchase. The bill sponsors say this would effectively ban the online or mail order purchase of ammunition by those, like Holmes, without a license.
In addition, the bill would require licensed ammunition dealers to maintain a record of the sale of ammunition and report the sale of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person within any five consecutive business days.
Lautenberg will try to force a vote on the measure this week by offering the bill as an amendment to Cybersecurity legislation. But aides say that even if it made it to the Senate floor for a vote, it would likely not pass.
Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) made it clear last week that the Senate will not debate gun control before the election and even beyond that.
As Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) explained to reporters in the wake of the Colorado shootings, the gun lobby is “quite strong.”
"I don't think that there's any appetite for or nothing near a consensus or majority to adopt real gun control, that is to do anything more than is already on the laws with regard to purchasing hand guns and the like," he said.
It is equally unlikely that the Lautenberg-McCarthy bill will see a vote in the House, where Republicans have said they do not intend to consider legislation dealing with gun control.
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Nice gesture which is going no where!
Sad state of affairs when it's easier to buy enough ammo over the internet to start WWIII, then it is to buy over the counter allergy medication...
Sorry, this isn't "gun control" it's common sense... something seriously lacking in this country these days!
Lets see feisty, how long it takes for the righties, on this post, to start blaming Obama for this bill.
Obammmma wants to take away our guns WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Big Brother is trying to restrict my abiity to purchase unlimited amounts of ammo on-line.....
Let the sreaming begin from the TeaPeople!
You actually need to show ID to buy OTC allergy medication, but you don't need to do that to vote!
LMAO
Right Fisty?
Sad state of affairs when it's easier to buy enough ammo over the internet to start WWIII
By the time Mittiot gets done doing his damage over overseas, we're gonna need all the ammo we can get....LOL...
Obama/Biden 2012
You can make meth out of OTC allergy medication. Can you do that with a ballot?
Well this is all well and good, but too bad Obama has once again voted "Present":
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/white-house-gives-cool-welcome-bill-restricting-online-182934423.html
Are you kidding me? This bill hasn't been voted on by anybody and you're stuck on THIS???
Truly, your Obama Derangement Syndrome knows no boundaries!
Hey, I have an idea...how about YOU tell us how YOU feel about this proposed legislation?
There is nothing in the US Constitution guaranteeing anyone the right to buy OTC allergy or cold medication (which can be used to make illegal drugs), get on an airplane or write a check. The right to vote is the right to vote period and no citizen should have to jump through hoops to vote especially when the GOP can't even provide proof to substantiate their claims of wide-spread voter fraud. Pennsylvania republicans agreed, there was NO voter fraud in PA yet they passed a law that disenfranchises thousands of PA voters and had a GOPer in a speech declare that by passing a Voter ID law, it would guarantee the state to Mitt Romney. We know if democrats were passing voter suppression laws, the GOP would be yelling all day every day.
Noid, you can do a lot worse with a ballot.
So I guess we agree, you should show ID to vote.
Just like you do to buy OTC allergy medication, cash a check, drive a car, buy alcohol, open a bank account ...............................
Glad to have you on board!
Jody, I guess your just one of those Libby's that support voter fraud, right?
LMAO
Hey, Jody there is a Constitutional Right to Keep and Bare Arms too you know. Does that mean you don't want to have IDs to buy guns and ammo too?
Your NRA application should be approved shortly.
LMAO
Redsoxrule -
No picture ID should be required to vote - unless the government is willing to come by their residence and provide it for free! You have elderly and low income individuals that can't drive to or afford to pay for ID's. Otherwise you are charging a "poll tax" which is against the law.
All the individuals in Iraq had to do to vote was show up - they then put their finger in dye to prevent them from going to another voting location. Pretty simple.
Your logic is severly flawed (poor construction and false analogies), but i suspect you know that already. There is an article everyone who posts here should read, but i doubt the vine lets my link go through (and i can't be arsed to jump through their hoops to get that right).
bodyodd dot nbcnews dot com/ news/2012/07/30/13024875-why-is-everyone-on-the-internet-so-angry?lite
The amount of vitriol posted here (and other sites) is getting to the point where it is severly unhealthy for most people because you are unable to have an actual discussion, and it just tends to reinforce the preconcieved notions that everyone already possesses. i figured this out on my own (and quit posting here for years because of how pissed certain posters would make me with their willful ignorance and abject dishonesty), but it is an interesting read nonetheless.
The way voter suppression efforts are being pushed by republicans, it becoming easier to buy a gun than to vote.
So true Self Educated Voter. The burden of proof should be on the Government. Voter Fraud is a myth that has been cooked by the right wing.
Tazzy, I'm not angry, and there is no vitrol in my posts. In fact you can seem that I am LMFAO most of the time.
Libbys are great entertainment.
Have a nice day!
UnEducatedVoter, yeah, let's have our voting modeled after Iraq. LOL That's a good one!
JAS - again you prove you are nothing but a raving lunatic. Was your post actually supposed to have any intelligence behind it? It sounds just like more of you usual nonsensical mutterings!
Sheish - don't you ever get embarrassed being you?
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity proving herself as the ever-present "flamethrower" of personal attacks !
Please tell ALL of us how you get by with all the personal assaults. You seem to be quite adept with this !
The article is about Democrats swinging to the left to pick up and make sure they lockdown the gay vote. I wonder if these gays will be able to get jobs after they are married ..... you know, with unemployment still being so high and Obama failing to meet with his jobs council ?
And they probably never will even though it is just common sense that you shouldn't be able to purchase unlimited ammo on the internet as Feisty posted above. The NRA makes me so sick. They have bought and paid for this issue to NEVER be addressed and refuse to make any types of concessions that would actually help prevent tragedies such as these.
Give me a break on the voter fraud issue as it happens all the time, how would you know? Explain how voter fraud doesnt happen to Nixon who lost to Kennedy due to the Chicago political machine creating enough votes for him to carry Illinois and steal the election. Tell that to all the liberals who think voter fraud allowed Bush to carry Florida. I seriously dont understand how progressives can honestly not support some sort of voter ID laws for one of the most important personal liberties we enjoy in this country. Its a losing issue for you because its so counterintuitive to act like it really disenfranchises anyone. For one IDs are free and easy to obtain if you dont have one, and if you have removed yourself so far off the grid that you dont participate in any current activity that requires an ID, do you really think that person is going to vote?
As for this bill, I dont even understand the purpose of it. Can someone explain how this prevents criminals or deranged individuals from creating mass murder or is this for political expediency and pandering for votes? I am all for reasonable limits on certain types of ammunition or weapons just like their should be reasonable limits on a variety of activities that are dangerous. I assume most of the pro choice people on here would also be willing to give up their slippery slope arguments on abortion and allow reasonable limitations on that activity too right? The problem with all ideologues including gun advocates is that they are always scared of the next limitation after the first one. I get that but how does restricting online ammunition solve any criminal activity from people like this?
Oops ! Wrong article !! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ..... but the rest is on target.
jim - what a joke you are! Not on target about anything - as usual. You didn't even bother to read before you began your attack - and you post about me???? LOL
Jim, next Seeking is going to claim you and I are the same person and tell us we are low information voters while providing no real insight to the substantive issue being discussed.
RedSoxRule: "Hey, Jody there is a Constitutional Right to Keep and Bare Arms too you know"
Wow, who knew that our forefathers had the foresight to guarantee us the right to wear tank tops! :)
@TZ - Couldn't get your 'sorta' link to work - but was able to google to get there. Here it is:
http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/30/13034875-why-is-everyone-on-the-internet-so-angry?lite
JoAnne , touche.
LOL
JoAnne - cute one! I had to read it twice - perils of doing two things at once!
Gun lovers keep referring to an amendment written around keeping muskets. My guess is our forefathers are spinning in their graves that their words are being used to allow attack weapons. We have to reach an intelligence level where we understand that hunting guns and pistols are far different than semi-automatics. Although Holmes would still have been able to kill people had he been armed with either of these, the carnage might have been less.
But, of course, that is asking people to use logic and reason. The NRA wants neither to be used when discussing guns.
And don't forget halter tops. Easier for those FemBots to take aim and fire. Speaking of which, are FemBots automatic or semi-
eroticautomatic?SpeekingInsanity, One of the basic differences between me and you as I will admit to a mistake... it's not hard when you are multitasking at work.
You, on the other hand, pour out your venom on a regular, ongoing basis while you put on the Obama cheerleader suit.... I guess you didn't make the "cut" in high school. You and the other Chicago "gangsta" girls on this website seem to have a bizarre immunity from prosecution and can attack on a personal basis every day with no recourse.
Last week, you called someone a "filthy lying piece of gutter trash" with not even a mild rebuke from the so-called moderators. Calling Joanne a lunatic is an attack.
I agree with Feisty - common sense is important.
Like having a budget. And yet Harry seems to not to be so concerned.
So Seeking I was wondering: is it possible for you to post a comment without insulting someone?
Can't do it, can you?
How sad for you.
But riddle me this Sanity - what is an "attack weapon?"
And tell me, what percentage of hunting guns are semi-automatic?
You don't even know what that means, do you?
YOu really are funny.
jim - and it's the only time I'll respond to you - if you had read the post of the person I was referring to you'd find it showed they were a "filthy lying piece of gutter trash." Try reading more than my post - like what I am posting in reference to - and you might actually have something interesting to add to the conversation.
Spanky - actually many of my posts don't insult anyone. It's just that with you - it's so easy to post insults because you ask for them!
I think they should run everyone through the NICS in order to be able to vote.
Buying ammunition online is not really a bargain by the time you pay the shipping (Ammo is heavy) you could have for a few dollars more supported your local gun shop.
More useless regulations from the Demwits.
Thinking Long Term - more useless comments from the half-wits - oh wait, half wit would be an improvement for you!
Strange how all the new voter ID laws were passed to prevent in person voter fraud (which doesn't exist),
.....but these same legislators can't see the obvious advantage to pass laws concerning buying semi-automatic assault weapons, or laws about the amount of ammo that can be bought, ( to prevent mass casualties which does exist).
Strange.......
The whole story is nothing but a red herring to the real issue. I have no intention of demeaning the seriousness of what happened in Colorado however the argument here discusses the thousands of rounds that were purchased. It didn't take thousands of rounds to cause this, no where near that. Thus it is irrelevant to what actually did happen.
There used to be a time when you had to show ID to buy ammo.
Guess how many crimes were solved with that choice piece of regulation?
Times up: Zero Nada Nunka None.
How about you Libs protest the ACLU fighting every law that releases Mental health records to be included into the NICS.
Thinking Long Term - you're lying. The liberals are never protesting the inclusion of mental health records when buying a gun. In fact, we are trying our best to see that happens.
Get your lies straight.
Lols.....
Redsox throws back thier own logic, clearly illustrating the absurdity and inconsitencies in the fake liberals positions. Thanks by the way, I also lol'd.
So they come back with "you're using flawed logic!" lololololssss
Then they preach tolerance and reccomend an article on it.
Next, seekingvitriol posts this gem
"JAS - again you prove you are nothing but a raving lunatic. Was your post actually supposed to have any intelligence behind it? It sounds just like more of you usual nonsensical mutterings!
Sheish - don't you ever get embarrassed being you?"
Notice this comment has nothing to do with the article, does not involve any kind of discussion of the issues, and frankly adds NOTHING to the conversation.
It's just a straight up personal attack.
Right on the heels of the preaching of tolerance.
And that gets seven votes.
See how absurd that is, fake libs?
Sorry, I'm probably using faulty logic.
LMFAO.
Democrats,the anti freedom party.
Da Noid
Well, you can't make meth with the vote... but you obviously can make a crackhead president....
I appreciate the reasonable thinking in this democratic legislation but it can't possibly go any where in this Congress since one side drinks too much "tea" and the Senate GOPers filibuster anything that says democrat. President Obama was right, even reasonable regulations that most gun owners would support (according to the polls) aren't going anywhere in THIS Congress. Best to try after the election when maybe some common sense will make an appearance again in Congress and especially the GOP.
If Romney wins I think you have a better chance of common sense returning to Washington. Obama just doesnt have the leadership skills....
Sorry, but I got to disagree with this one. It's like putting a band aid on an massive open head wound and amounts to grandstanding. Really, the folks that are pushing this should really have thought about it first. It doesn't restrict anything. One can just buy small amounts at a time and build up a nice cache if they're just a bit patient. Compare it to drinking a bottle of liquor. You can down the whole thing in a couple of giant swigs, or like most of us, get blotto doing shots. All this is gonna do is stoke the fires of the NRA and it's devotees on how this administration's party is trying to take away their guns. Not very smart imo.
tony - to a point I agree with you. But, it would mean someone would have to try to build up a cache and for many of these who are mentally ill, they want to act quickly. It might cause them to do something else, who knows.
I believe we have to start taking action and it might mean doing a few things to see what works. No one wants to take away guns that are used for hunting or for self-defense. However, there is absolutely no reason for semi-automatic weapons to be sold to anyone. And, "cop killer bullets" should be outlawed - no ifs, ands or buts.
My brother is an avid hunter and would no more take a semi-automatic hunting than he would an uzi. The stupidity of anyone "needing" a semi automatic is beyond belief. And, as my brother says, no self-respecting hunter would be caught dead with one. It isn't sporting.
Sadly, it seems every time an Aurora shooting event happens, Congress does nothing, and states open up the gun laws in a free-for-all frenzy. If Colorado follows Florida and Arizona, they will implement the OK to Shoot-You Annoy Me law.
Neither does Romney. He changes his mind so often, you would think you're at a tennis match. And don't give me this corporate crap either. He was like someone at a Texas Hold Em tournament. He's not looking out for you or interested in your welfare or individual rights.
tony - Romney has no skills with people at all. President Obama has shown very good leadership skills - when dealing with those who haven't pledged to make him a one-term President. We just have to get rid of as many of the GOP as possible to get things moving faster.
Obama/Biden 2012
Not trying to sound like one of them, but somebody that's mentally ill is gonna find a way no matter what
It's too late for that. This country has a long heritage of firearm possession and ownership and infringing on that could be disastrous for anyone or any group that tries. I grew up with that heritage and have no problem with guns or people that possess them as long as it's responsible ownership. On the other hand, I know many people that are terrified of guns and want nothing to do with them. I respect them too. Part of responsible ownership is not acting like Dirty Harry. Some posters on here who support organizations like the NRA seem like they can't wait to use those weapons on the first person who looks or acts suspicious. That's not responsible. I would support restrictions on certain types of firearms such as military assault rifles and other implements like body armor and tear gas. But again, its a tough row to hoe.
tony - it appears that with the most recent shooting - as well as the one at VA Tech - weapons were gathered quickly. I'm not sure if any other weapon would have done as much damage. And, it would have been difficult getting an explosive into the theatre.
I don't have the answer but we need to find one. This is happening too frequently and we just don't seem to be doing anything but wringing our hands and saying we have to stop it.
The Tech shooter had a mental health record if released into the database would have prevented him from buying a firearm.
Sad thing is the University knew it.
And we wont know possibly for years what the state of the Aurora shooters mental health was but it is a fact that he was in therapy.
The 2nd ammendment is not to protect your right to hunt.
The 2nd ammendment is to preserve the right of We The People to overthrow the government, should the government become too oppressive.
And the government is VERY well armed.
You know, "When in the course of human events..." and all that nonsense.
Think of your car as a guided missle.The media dosent report things like several cases of muslims running over people while shouting Allah is great. Think of all the Abortions.murders.
Obama has taken more of your freedoms and you hear knothing about it.He reminds me of Hitler or any other tyrant.
Well, well... Political Correctness kept another murderer from being stopped... Ft Hood and now Aurora... it appears nothing spurs on murderers like a good example set by the Attorney General, and a culture that's in denial about the effects of moral relativism and lacks the common sense to deal with problems before they explode into violence... you can track all kinds of violence to the rise of liberalism and the fall of values... (see Detroit... and Chicago)
So redsux, do we have a national voting standard or is it up to each state to decide how to do it?
It would have to be at the state level since you can't trust Eric Holder and Obama to uphold Federal laws.
Enjoy!
Oh he really got all of that one and it is way out here!
Like it.
Think the Democrats haven't used Colorado as a way to take the first step toward wiping out your 2nd amendment rights? Their leader protects himself by making it a felony to demonstrate anywhere near a person protected by the Secret Service who just happens to be him. He is determined to strip our military of its might and replace them with "contractors". Gee could that be translated henchmen? Wake up people, the constitution provides the right for the people to dissolve the government that has gotten out of control and form a new one. These would be king makers are doing all possible to make that impossible. Those who are not deaf dumb and blind can see that. Remember in November ABO.
The DNC is in discussions with Charlotte to see how far away they can keep protesters... Obama would like to see them pushed just out past Atlanta....
You don't need 6000 bullets to go on a shooting rampage. Seems like several hundred will do. Most of these guys seem to wind up putting one in their own head at the end of the day.
Brilliant...if that was true (most of these guys end up putting one in their own heads) it would cut down on the tragic events. Quack.
Once again we are faced with walking that thin line between too much control and too little. While I don't support unobstructed use of any and all firearms and ammunition I do support one's right to own and use firearms in a safe and sensible manner. Most laws come because some irresponsible jerk demonstrates a need for such a law. The majority of gun owners are safe, sane and responsible in handling, storing and using firearms but it only takes one or a few to screw things up for everyone. It is like with regulation of banks or factories one or two get greedy and cause harsh regulations of everyone. I wish there was an easier way to handle this but there isn't. In a dictatorship all we would need to do is have the dictator oppose something and no one has it or they lose their life, are imprisoned or harm is done to them in some other way. In a democracy, which I am proud to say we still have in the US for now, it is more difficult because so many different opinions exist and everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. The majority is supposed to rule whether the minority or any one person likes it or not. Unfortunately too, we sometimes see too much coddling and suppor for the supposedly "picked on" miniority opinion holder and the majority doesn't really rule with the fight continuing ad nauseum. With all it's drawbacks, however I'll opt for democracy any day. Controlling the sale of ammo on the Inernet won't accomplish anything. It will be virtually uniforcable. After all if massive amounts of drugs can be smuggled into this country on a daily basis surely a few hundred rounds of ammunition can also slip in undetected. Only the already sane, safe law abiding citizens will obey the law and those bent on destruction be they sane or insane will make it happen one way or another.
Adler: "Only the already sane, safe law abiding citizens will obey the law"
True enough, perhaps.....but then again, lots of other current laws are largely unenforceable too. Take the laws about driving under the influence. I'm the sane, safe law-abiding citizen who obeys the law - and I'm the one who was almost killed several years ago by the 16-year-old drunk girl who was driving without a license in the dark in a car with no headlights on. Okay, so the existing law didn't stop her from plowing into me and then totalling a parked car after she hit mine. But without a law against drunk driving, there would also have been no consequences to her for her action, either - trust me, there were few enough as it was. So because the law isn't 100% enforceable, does that mean we shouldn't have a law?
I agree that more laws aren't automatically going to solve everything. But when we stop even trying, then we might as well just turn the country over to those who are "bent on destruction, be they sane or insane" and in effect, hand them the keys. Sorry, but I'm just not ready to do that yet.
JoAnne - well said.
Hope you came through everything okay!
Seeking -
I'm still here, thanks to seat belts and air bags. My poor car wasn't as fortunate. I had to buy a new one once the insurance settled - then two days after that, the knee I'd banged against the dash went out on me and I fell and shattered my right elbow into about a gazillion pieces and needed surgery and half of an aisle at Home Depot to put it back together. The new car, like all my previous ones, was a stick shift, and I wasn't sure if I'd ever be able to drive a stick again, so it sat in the driveway for three months before I ended up having to trade that one in, too - with like 32 miles on it. Oh, and the 16 year old twit got probation and community service. As Spanky would say - good times!
JoAnne - Oh, I'm soooo sorry! But, you're better, right? I was at a picnic where a 18 year old with a brand new car decided to let it fly through the parking lot. Hit a young boy, compound fracture of his leg, plus fractured his skull in two places.
I did first aid until the paramedics got there - he was spouting blood - so pressed on the artery. I felt so bad for him. He will have surgeries with each growth spurt - to lengthen the leg. Shaved off the bone that regulates his growth.
And, the driver, she was worried about her car! It was all I could do to keep from hitting her!
JoAnne, I am glad you came out okay. Cars are easy to replace people aren't. I am not saying we shouldn't try to prevent tragedies like what happened in Colorado but we must also realize that through no fault of our own we may be harmed or worse by someone who is irresponsible in their behavior. Like banks who take advantage of borrowers or like drunk drivers or texters on the the roads whose minds are impaired. Maybe if we had laws that would allow psychologists and psychiatrists to alert authorities to watch people they deem dangerous. Of course, not all people with mental health issues are dangerous to themselves or others and when the mental health professionals make their reports it should be done in a way that ensures confidentiality of all parties and protection of patient rights. Had the shrink been able and willing to do that in Colorado this incident might not have been allowed to happen or he could have been stopped before he killed more than one or two people.
It is a sad event that, once again, triggers the eternal debate on Second Amendment rights where some want to go too far while others don't want to go far enough and each one has his definition of what is just right.
People will just reload their ammo, simple as that, BTW, another 89,297,208 gun owner today choose not to use their guns to kill innocent people!
If the vast majority of gun owners don't use their weapons to kill innocent people - by your logic, what's a reasonable number of deaths you can accept so that 89M can carry?
It's the GOP voter suppression logic in reverse!
Much like the abortion Democratic voter suppression laws... now, let's look at the body counts...
If you liberals really want to stop shootings like this in Colorado. You need to mandate that every law abiding citizen must carry a gun. Stop putting up road blocks for law abiding citizens to own guns. Gabby Giffords would have been better off if her and her staff carried a gun.....
ROFL!!!
"NOBODY OPEN FIRE!!! I HAVE A GUN OF MY OWN!!!"
Yeah, that'll do the trick!
OMG UAW! Really? Should we all wear chaps and ride horses too? And then pin little silver stars on our chests for the days we feel like we and our gun should be in charge???? That has seriously got to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read, and trust me I read A LOT!
Awe you guys are right. We just need more laws so bad guys don't get guns. I don't know what I was thinking saying more good guys should have guns....
There was a gentleman who posted Friday who is rated on assault weapons. He stated that had he been in the theatre, armed, he would have had a difficult time bringing Holmes down with no additional loss of life. Said with the tear gas and the body suit Holmes was wearing the only shot to count would have been a head shot - and that would have been difficult - at best.
Had more people been armed, we would probably be burying more.
I remember that post, Seeking.
And UAW your post was very clear . . .
I'll remember to pass that along to the friend shot in the head .. if only he had been a packin' heat...of course, no he can't remember from day to day what to pack, what to eat.
I don't know what you were saying either.
In all seriousness, please enlighten me as to how that is supposed to work. Let us go back to your original statement...
So, suppose I'm in a movie theater and I've got a Smith & Wesson with me. Is that going to keep a James Egan Holmes from entering the theater and opening fire and, if so, how? If not, what am I supposed to do with it once he does enter considering he showed up in full body armor?
The way I see it, the only thing that ultimately changes in this equation is that I no longer risk being a dead guy in a movie theater and instead I risk being a dead guy in a movie theater with a gun.
Da Noid and maybe a dead guy in a movie theatre with a gun who killed an innocent theatre goer. That's all we need - more frightened people firing at the person they think is causing the problem. Or firing at the people talking behind them who wouldn't shut up!
Practice head shots. Go to cover take careful aim and squeeze dont jerk the trigger, the life you save may be your own or someone you love.
That's nice...Holmes was wearing a ballistic helmet.
Put one on that helmet and he would have went down, put one in the face and fights over.
We keep missing the point, don't we?
THE THEATER IS DARK AND HOLMES HAS SET OFF A SMOKE BOMB!!! HOW IN THE BLUE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO HIT HIS HEAD???
In the words of Yoda, "Strong am I with The Force...but not that strong!"
So you all prefer to go unarmed and be slain like dogs? Tyrants love an unarmed populace.
Tritium sights for work in the dark just like the luminous hands on a watch and then practice, practice, practice.
You would be surprised at how fast even a noob can become proficient given the right training and regular practice.
It was so amazing to watch "A Face in the Crowd" on television this past weekend. Shulberg wrote and Kazaan directed an eery film beautifully acted by Andy Griffith in 1957 about the ability of the right wing to appeal to facets of the "solid majority" which was first addressed by the playwright Ibsen. The necessity of a presidential candidate being a hunter is covered in that movie - almost fifty years before John Kerry's obligatory duck hunting trip. Essentially, because the masses have been convinced through fear and clever marketing that guns are about freedom and manhood, we'll never be able to do anything about them in this country. I saw Lou Dobbs peddling the most misleading statistics on Fox News last night about guns. I can't believe he made the pitch with a straight face. The overwhelming majority of murders in this country are committed with firearms, particularly handguns. I have been a criminal attorney for many years, and I rarely see a complaint for murder that does not involve a handgun allegation as part of the pleading. England and Canada's homicide rates are a very small fraction of ours. Wonder why? Brazil legalized handgun possession a few years ago and the murder rate has skyrocketed. And our surplus of guns is being funneled to countries that have outlawed guns. We're destroying the safety of the citizenry all around the world with our stupid gun laws and our stupid narcotics laws. It's like somebody studied for years how to make a society more violent and decided to legalize the guns and criminalize the dope. It's a perfect storm. But because these issues have become entangled with the concepts of masculinity and depravity, we will never find the cheese. Chemically addicted people who cannot get access to dope, but who do have access to guns, use the latter. Drug gangs taking advantage of black markets created by narcotics prohibition use the plentiful guns available to protect territory. Crazy people use the plentiful automatic guns to kill people by the scores. And, of course, in the rural parts of our country, we've got people carrying guns legally into bars. That is just moronic. They didn't allow that in Dodge City or Tombstone in the 19th Century.
I will be voting soon again and if when I'm asked for ID (not picture) or just asked for my registration card only, I will ask the same question as I always do. How do you know that the name of the person on the Voters registration is me. A supervisor will come to the table and instruct the volunteers to ask for Picture ID's. I will do the same if I see anyone voting just by showing their Registration card and no picture ID.
As far as Gun Laws: We need to enforce the ones we have already. Like anything the Government does full of bureaucracy and paper work.
Here is a math problem for you libs so intent to restrict Ammo sales.
5 people shoot a round of skeet at 25 shells per round.
They shoot four rounds a day twice a month.
Solve for total shells a Day, Month, Year.
Can't say that I agree with this. I think the purchase of ammunition is not nearly as critical as how it is used.
In spite of the horrific recent events in Aurora and past events at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the Gifford's shooting comparatively few rounds were fired. A couple of hundred rounds is not an issue to buy anywhere and no one will be carrying 6,000 rounds on them (too heavy and awkward as well as magazine or reload issues).
I think a more effective solution would be to: 1) standardize gun ownership laws across the US to include the requirement that a potential owner pass a gun safety course (to include competency training and understanding of the laws), or military basic training, or a police/sheriff's academy to get a gun license; 2) to standardize gun sales laws across the US (gets rid of the "gun creep" where straw purchases are made in low requirement areas like Indiana and then the guns "creep" into Chicago); 3) getting rid of the gun show loopholes where they still exist; 4) having an independent private/public agency track every gun sold and to who (using the gun license# issued) so if guns start showing up at a crime scene they can track its route (agency will be paid for by the tax on guns and ammo).
Note that I think the gun class and license should be provided and issued for free.
To bad Obama didnt let the south Koreans sell all those surplus rifles they had.I like the idea of every home being required to have a weapon.
Washington is run by lawyers,lawyers suck! I want as much freedom as possible.
I have noticed folks on the east coast beleave in alarms and out west we rely more on ourselves with guns.
I'll tell 'ya what "criminals we need to protect our 2nd amendment rights from". These, right here:
FAMOUS LAST WORDS:
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back," he began, defending his policy of higher tax rates on high earners. "They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
BARRACK OBAMA -- Enough said....
I know most liberals are talking with absolutely zero knowledge on the subject they are discussing so I can't be mad for their ignorance. It's like talking American Football with a European, you can't blame them. 4 years serving my country in the infantry, 2 years armored transport, and firearms instructor... I hope this qualifies me to speak. For those of you who have never been out shooting something like an M4gery, it is very easy to blow through 300 rounds in a day at the range, especially if you bring your buddies and the grill and have a cookout while you are there and spend the day. 300 rounds at my local gun store will cost me rougly $150... or $500 for 1000, that is 50 cents around. If i go to the range once a week to practice and hone my skills I will go through 1000 rounds in under a month. If I buy the same ammo online I can get the same 1000 rounds for roughly 300 dollars (Check out prvi partizan shooting brother, great ammo, great price). So Im saving over $200 dollars a month buying my ammo in bulk online. I can get it even cheaper if I buy 5000 rounds at a time. I would love to give a speech to liberals about wise fiscal decisions, but I will save that one for the king liberal, Obama. So your law is going to cost me $200 a month. Look, this bastard who shot up the theatre is going to get the ammo somewhere anyway, its not going to stop someone who is determined to commit a horrific act like this. In fact, from the sounds of it he probably didnt shoot more than 200 rounds anyway, so all that bulk ammo wasn't used in the attack (Before you start arguing numbers of hits, a 5.56 shot in close quarters can go through 3 people so alot of those hits were likely rounds going through multiple targets). I think the best you liberals can hope for is to let people like me arm up and train. Let us carry our pistols into the movie theateres because I can guarentee if there were even 3 people like me in that theater with our weapons concealed that shooter would not have been able to do what he did. 2 of the 3 of us probably would have been killed in the process, but if that would have saved the lives of those 12 and stoped the injuries of the others, most of us conservative second ammendmant "nut jobs" would have stood up and fought back. The vast majority of us, even though we disagree to our core with you liberals would gladly lay down our lives trying to protect you and your children and any other innocent citizen in danger. We are the good guys, if you choose not to arm yourself and defend yourself, please, for the love of God, let me arm myself and people like me will protect innocent lives if, God forbid, the need arises. The firearm is not evil, it is metal and plastic and lead and brass, it is not capible of neither good nor evil. In the hands of a law abiding citizen the firearm is a tool to save lives, protect property, and secure liberty. If we want to be as well armed as the bad guy, isn't in your best interest to let us? Just something to chew on, God bless and stay safe everyone.
The bastard who shot up the theater could not have done that with a knife. The guy who shot up the students at the University of Texas couldn't have done it with a knife. Ditto Columbine, ditto Virginia Tech, ditto the school shootings in Arkansas, Kentucky... Are you seeing a pattern here? How about the Luby's cafeteria in Texas? How about the killing of 17 in a McDonald's in San Diego. I don't think the guy at the Luby's or that guy at the theater could have killed more than a couple with a knife. Still don't see the pattern?? Other countries don't have one incident after another of a kook killing more than ten people with a semi-automatic firearm. But it's as American as apple pie. "America, America ... where the kooks mow us down at McDonald's." It's as much of a fact today as the shining seas and the purple mountains. But people still don't get it. Soon, we'll have rival factions shooting it out at the malls. It's coming soon. And bar shootings will be next.
Got that right Jack a few of the crowd I run with would have made a difference also.
Listen people! I have a lot of enemies, SO, I want to be able to buy enough rounds to take out NATO! Leave it to them bleeding heart Liberals to de-mancipate my emancipation! A few thousand lousy rounds of ammo and everybody starts bellowing, "woe is me!" The nanzy-panzy Democrats take all the fun outta everything!!! NEXT, it will be against the law to have babies by your own sister! What the hell is this nation coming to, huh?
I surely hope that this move by the Democrats is more than a mere goodwill gesture. The problem with guns is they do not contain an "OOPS" factor. Once you have pulled the trigger, people will get hurt and people will die. Not long out of the Nam and back home; I got into a heated argument with a dear friend on the basketball court. It was about 90 degrees out that day but I wheeled round on my heels and went home and got my pistol. I had to wear a full-length maxi coat to hide this thing; it was just that huge. It was a .357 mag revolver with a six inch barrel. When the guys on the court saw me coming they headed for the hills. It took about 20 minutes to pull this mug out, lol. I aimed for the guy's chest and suddenly realized what I was doing! I was high on dust at the time so I didn't even remember the incident. Recently I bumped into the guy and he told me the story. I couldn't believe my ears but, there were witnesses galore. What if I had pulled the trigger? In my altered state, I did point it at him; but what if I had pulled the trigger? I penned the following in remembrance of that day:
I see you've been living large
and that you are staying zooted,
Does your conscience bother you,
bout all the money you've tooted?
When you're dreaming at night,
do you see demons in groups?
You know in everyone's life,
there's only so many Oops!
In everyone's life...
there's only so many Oops!
Right on...
This is so stupid. I used to reload my own ammo.....I could have as much as I needed......and it is still legal. Stop making new laws when you can't enforce the one's we have. As a Democrat and Obama supporter, I say sit down and shut up....no more knee-jerk gun control!!!!!!
The NRA is now a political wing of ther RNC.....a racist, reactionary and dangerous Ultra right group that hates the fact that a black man is in the White House.....don't feed their paranoia!
If your A Obama supporter then You are one blind stuip. and you have bought Obama's and the Democrats and the left wing media BS lies hook and sinker. Why dont you wake up to the fact that neither party is in the peoples interest and become indendent. Remember the ol saying.
The Republicans want to turn the people into slaves for their corporate freinds.
The Democrats want to turn thre people into slaves for the Government.
Both sides want to screw us and take away our rights so why support either party.
More generalized dumb comments.People dont give a crap that Obama is black(or half white)its his thinking and decision making.His total lack of leadership is appalling!
I think both partys suck,write in Ron Paul if you value your freedom.
The Gun Control act of 1968 was a racist piece of legislation as well as some of the first gun control laws.
Educate yourself.
There is nothing racist about a person's basic right to self defense.
@ron:
Yeah, Bush's thinking was a lot more sophisticated!
Right on...
@ Jc Breeze... Dust aka PCP aka Phencycladine is illegal and your boy from the story seems to have gotten ahold of that easy enough. I'm from Chicago where we had a complete pistol ban from 1982 the year I was born until just a couple years ago and guess what, the percentage of murders commited with pistols actually increased. Turns out when you start banning things and making them illegal criminals still manage to get what they want. It's a criminal guys, by definition they aren't going to obey our laws. Your just going to de claw law abiding citizens like me who will follow the laws. Your not changing anything or making the world a better place with these laws, the statistics don't lie, gun control meassures dont reduce crime or violence its a fact. Email me at jack.marshall0886@gmail.com I will be happy to send you mountains of statistics and help educate you on the numbers. There are plenty of rightoes causes to take up that will make a difference, this just isn't one of them. And why again are these laws trying to be slipped into a cybersecurity bill??? Oh yes, because the libs are not going to be able to get their agenda passed through legitimate means so they will try to snake it in anywhere they can. This whole thing disgusts me...
Its amazing how polite people are when most are armed.Ban ammo sales is just an way around since libs cant ban gun sales.
@Mr Marshall:
Are you sure you meant your comment to be directed at me? I do not advocate for guns and ammo, nor against the purchase of either. Maybe I didn't make myself perfectly clear. My concern is that people who carry guns, as I once did, are not always sober-minded. I was high as a kite on angel dust when I pointed a loaded gun at a dear friend but in that last moment; I came to my senses and re-holstered the pistol. I might have killed him; my point is that loaded firearms and loaded people make a for a very bad and potentially volatile affair.
Right on...
Won't pass the house so why is Reid even trying. Another Election year gimmick. Reid you have scumb bag wirtten all over you.
Actually, Reid said "no new gun control legislation until after the election"... knowing that it would put the crosshairs on those Senate Liberals whose elections are coming up... he's a bit smarter than Oblunder...
And Pres Obama, is a bit smarter than everyone else!
This whole corrup administration needs to go! i wish we could get new elections for congress,no encumbents.
And term limits!
Typical communist response from typical communist leadership.
The villain in Colorado fired less than 100 rounds total. Why not restrict car ownership? Without a car he would have been forced to ride a city bus or walk to the theatre with his outfit on and a heavy bag of weapons.
What bothers communists/socialists and democrats is that you own property. You own valuable firearms and valuable ammunition and they could have used your money to feed criminals and illegals or buy drugs.
If you have the ability to defend yourself from their death squads and armed thugs it worries them. They dream of subjugating you to their every whim and need. God forbid you are able to resist them when they come for you.
People just like Obama, Lautenberg and McCarty ran the USSR, run Cuba and still run China. They enjoy murdering their citizens for "dissent" or if they perceive you as a threat.
Since 1900, they have murdered 200,000,000 people and they are not done yet. If one crazed dope smoker can push America towards disarming, they have another voctory.
This is so funny...hahahahahaha, just like gun laws affect criminals, sheeese, the Dems, always wanting to dictate and remove peoples freedoms, communism at its finest.
Go to Dachau... stand in the gas chamber and in the crematorium... feel the evil there.... see what an unbridled madman and his mass murders did to a disarmed populace... and you'll never give up your guns... ever...
Go to the White House and see leadership not unlike you saw in Germany in 1943.
Apparently, passing more and more gun laws doesn't do anything. We need to educate our people on the sanctity of life and liberty. The first step is to get rid of Barrack Obama.
Well! Well!Well! the Red necks and Hillbillies have come from the HILLS. TORN and TATTERED with IQ's of 1-10% with no TEETH and TOTING their HEAVY ARTILLERY with speeches of Freedoms that have no sense when GUNS of MASS DESTRUCTION are the ONLY ANSWER to ALL FREEDOMS. That is UNTIL YOU LOSE A LOVED ONE from STRAY BULLETS. That FREEDOM WAS TAKEN !!!
CONTROLS NEED TO BE TIGHTENED NOT RELAXED. Every DAY there is a KILLING with GUNS. And that majority of which are INNOCENT PEOPLE or BYSTANDERS.
And by the way this has nothing to do with liberals or Conservatives. It is about our CITIZENS being PROTECTED by the UNSEEN BULLETS !!!! DUH
Millions of people the world over are led to mass graves, ditches, death camps and gulags by people just like you.
You know little or nothing about this topic, yet you rant and rave. You accuse others of being ignorant and we can clearly see you are at the bottom of the stack.
Toothless? try witless and clueless. Ranting like a complete idiot and unable to process any intelligent and cogent argument in your walnut sized brain.
The solution for every tyrant and his minions is to punish the masses for the acts of the paltry few, terrorize, murder and imprison without due process of law. Obama has found a true follower in you.
Go to the head of the line and pick out a new brown shirt.
Check the Department of Justice stats on murder some time. 70% of all people murdered are felons(Obama voters), 70% of all murderers are also felons. A stunning number of them are awaiting trial on other felony charges. With most mass killings like the one in Colorado, the killer is mentally ill and has been denied treatment by his liberal doctors, ignored my his liberal teachers and friends and abused by other liberals along the way. They are typically abusers of all of the drugs liberals demand we legalize.
Your problem is staring at you in the mirror.
Speak of COMMUNISM when their is nothing PROTECTING THE CITIZENS but contrary PROTECTING THE GUN NUTS like the NRA !!!! That is Communism only for the PARTY and nothing else.
Try making sense,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just a little.