TAMPA, Fla. -- It’s government, “not cultures” that define the difference between Israelis and Palestinians. That’s according to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who appeared to differ with presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney as he tried to defend him.
“I am sure that Gov. Romney was not talking about difference in cultures, or difference in anybody superior or inferior,” said McCain, a chief Romney foreign policy surrogate, today during a news conference after an event here with Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC). “What I’m sure Gov. Romney was talking was that the Israeli economy has grown and prospered in a dramatic fashion. And unfortunately, the Palestinians have not had that same economic development.
“And that goes to the leadership of the Palestinians. Everybody knows that Yasser Arafat was corrupt. And we also know that the Palestinian people have not been blessed with the kind of government that has lower regulations, less taxes, entrepreneurship, which have caused the Israeli economy to be one of the world’s most successful. It has nothing to do with cultures. It has nothing to do with superiority or inferiority. But facts of the booming Israeli economy has to do with the kind of government that the Israeli people have freely and democratically elected which has given them a very prosperous country.”
McCain noted he had not seen or heard Romney’s remarks, but that didn’t stop him from defending what Romney meant.
“I’m sure I know what he was saying, though,” McCain continued. “And what he was saying, though, is that the Israelis have had a government with less regulation, lower taxes, which has allowed them to have a strong and prosperous economy. Unfortunately, when you go over to many of the Palestinian areas, you do not see that same kind of economic development. Governments matter.”
Yesterday at a fundraiser in Israel, Romney said:
“[A]as you come here and you see the GDP per capita for instance in Israel which is about 21,000 dollars and you compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority which is more like 10,000 dollars per capita you notice a dramatic, stark difference in economic vitality.”
Then paraphrasing a book by a Harvard professor called, “The Wealth and Poverty of Nations,” he added:
“[I]f you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it’s this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things.”
The Associated Press picked up on the comments and noted: “Romney said some economic histories have theorized that ‘culture makes all the difference’.” And that “Palestinian reaction to Romney was swift and pointed.”
It quoted Saeb Erekat, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who said: "It is a racist statement and this man doesn't realize that the Palestinian economy cannot reach its potential because there is an Israeli occupation.”
And AP added:
“While speaking to U.S. audiences, Romney often highlights culture as a key to economic success and emphasizes the power of the American entrepreneurial spirit compared to the values of other countries. But his decision to highlight cultural differences in a region where such differences have helped fuel violence for generations raises new questions about the former businessman's diplomacy skills.”
The Romney campaign called for a correction from the AP, because of "his remarks being grossly mischaracterized," it claimed.
The campaign also passed around the broader context of his speech – and highlighted that he had made similar remarks in Chicago in March while talking about other countries.
But that context does not appear to change the meaning of what Romney was saying. And he certainly did not make the case that government was a reason for the differences. (That context, sent by the campaign, is copied at the end of this post in full.)
*** UPDATE: NBC's Garrett Haake, traveling with the campaign, reports from Gdansk, Poland, that senior Romney campaign strategist Stuart Stevens told reporters he takes issue with the story, calling it "completely manufactured," "sloppy," and even "invented."
He said the quote from Romney "revolves around an observation the governor has made in his book" and "mentioned in big speeches." The story, he claims, "never should have been written, was not handled responsibly and the Romney campaign was never called for comment. The economic situations for prosperity are interesting to study and important. "
He added that the comments were "not in any way an attempt to slight the Palestinians, and everyone knows that." And he even goes so far as to say: "It is regrettable whenever a story is handled improperly and I think we all agree on that." ***
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McCain also said he agreed with Romney that the American embassy in Israel should be moved to Jerusalem.
“Absolutely. I agree that the embassy should be moved to Jerusalem, and I think that those who are strong supporters of Israel should take note that the President of the United States has failed to take a position on the embassy location,” McCain said. “And it should be in Jerusalem and that has been the subject of numerous resolutions by the United States Congress over the years.”
The American embassy – and every other country's in the world – is currently located in Tel Aviv. At the heart of the long-running peace process dispute between Israelis and Palestinians is where a Palestinian capital would be. Palestinians would like it to be centered in East Jerusalem.
Here are the remarks, passed along by the Romney campaign:
Gov. Romney: “I was thinking this morning as I prepared to come into this room of a discussion I had across the country in the United States about my perceptions about differences between countries. And as you come here and you see the GDP per capita for instance in Israel which is about 21,000 dollars and you compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority which is more like 10,000 dollars per capita you notice a dramatic, stark difference in economic vitality. And that is also between other countries that are near or next to each other. Chile and Ecuador, Mexico and the United States. I noted that part of my interest when I used to be in the world of business is I would travel to different countries was to understand why there were such enormous disparities in the economic success of various countries. I read a number of books on the topic. One, that is widely acclaimed, is by someone named Jared Diamond called ‘Guns, Germs and Steel,’ which basically says the physical characteristics of the land account for the differences in the success of the people that live there. There is iron ore on the land and so forth. And you look at Israel and you say you have a hard time suggesting that all of the natural resources on the land could account for all the accomplishment of the people here. And likewise other nations that are next door to each other have very similar, in some cases, geographic elements. But then there was a book written by a former Harvard professor named ‘The Wealth and Poverty of Nations.’ And in this book Dr. Landes describes differences that have existed—particularly among the great civilizations that grew and why they grew and why they became great and those that declined and why they declined. And after about 500 pages of this lifelong analysis—this had been his study for his entire life—and he’s in his early 70s at this point, he says this, he says, if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it’s this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things. One, I recognize the hand of providence in selecting this place. I’m told in a Sunday school class I attended— I think my son Tagg was teaching the class. He’s not here. I look around to see. Of course he’s not here. He was in London. He taught a class in which he was describing the concern on the part of some of the Jews that left Egypt to come to the promised land, that in the promised land was down the River Nile, that would provide the essential water they had enjoyed in Egypt. They came here recognizing that they must be relied upon, themselves and the arm of God to provide rain from the sky. And this therefore represented a sign of faith and a show of faith to come here. That this is a people that has long recognized the purpose in this place and in their lives that is greater than themselves and their own particular interests, but a purpose of accomplishment and caring and building and serving. There’s also something very unusual about the people of this place. And Dan Senor-- And Dan, I saw him this morning, I don’t know where he is, he’s probably out twisting someone’s arm—There’s Dan Senor, co-author of ‘Start-up Nation,’ described-- If you haven’t read the book, you really should-- Described why it is Israel is the leading nation for start-ups in the world. And why businesses one after the other tend to start up in this place. And he goes through some of the cultural elements that have led Israel to become a nation that has begun so many businesses and so many enterprises and that is becomes so successful.” (Mitt Romney, Remarks at Fundraiser, Israel, 7/30/12)
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Gov. Romney: “Now as you know, this November we face a -- an important decision. Our choice will be not just one of party and personality. This election is going to be about principle. Our economic freedom will be on the ballot. And I intend to offer the American people a choice. I spent 25 years in business, by the way as you probably know. My business used to take me to different parts of the world and -- and I was often struck by enormous differences between different nations that in many cases were living right next door to each other. I -- I was interested in the differences in their prosperity and how it was that nations so close to each other in terms of geography, could be so different in terms of prosperity. I mean look at Mexico and the United States, Israel and Egypt, Chile and Ecuador. And -- and I read a number of books that purported to explain the differences. One of them by Jared Diamond called "Guns, Germs and Steel", argued that the difference was due largely to the minerals in the ground and the -- the physical characteristics, natural resources associated with different countries. But that didn't explain it all, just a part. And then I happened to read a book by Professor David Landes called, "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations." And in that he -- he traces the history of all the great civilizations on the earth. Those that have come and gone. And after about 500 pages of scholarly analysis he concludes with -- with this observation. He says, "If we learn anything from the economic -- the history of economic development it is this, culture makes all the difference." Culture makes all the difference. Culture. What is it about America's culture that's made us the greatest economic power in the history of the earth? And of course there are a lot of things that come to mind. Our work ethic. Our appreciation for -- for education. The -- the willingness of Americans to take risk. Our commitment to honor contract oath, our family devotion. Our -- our commitment to purpose greater than ourselves. Our patriotism.” (Mitt Romney, Remarks, Chicago, IL, 3/19/12)


WOW!! You know a GOP/TeaBagger candidate is out of touch when McCain feels the need to "straight talk" the record in opposition to a candidate like FUD-romney!!
"JERUSALEM — Mitt Romney told Jewish donors Monday that their culture is part of what has allowed them to be more economically successful than the Palestinians, outraging Palestinian leaders who suggested his comments were racist and out of touch with the realities of the Middle East. Romney's campaign later said his remarks were mischaracterized.
"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality," the Republican presidential candidate told about 40 wealthy donors who ate breakfast at the luxurious King David Hotel.
Romney said some economic histories have theorized that "culture makes all the difference."
FUD-romney just keeps racking them up!!
McCain had the "Straight Talk Express" but now FUD-romney has the "Pander Express"
"Romney's campaign later said his remarks were mischaracterized."
Romney's campaigned lied ... again.
McCain apologizing for Romney. That ought to tell you something.
I detect .....another Mittens FLIP -FLOP..Even though JM did sing the "bomb,bomb,bomb Iran" I respect his opinion over Romney who has four years to study foreign policy..yet the idiot trips over his runaway lips every chance he gets..cannot wait to the debates! He won't be able to get away with that pathetic laugh!!!
It doesn't matter. Romney and Obama have both licked AIPAC's boots and sworn obiesance.
OK... let's recap. The guy who beat Romney and lost to Obama last time now has to try and clean up for the guy who will lose to Obama this time.
The GOP really didn't think this one out any better than they did last time. I love it!!
I heard a speech made by Gingrich Friday. The contrast between a severely scripted Romney and an extemporaneous intellectual like Newt is daylight and dark. Gingrich has lost more credentials along the way than Romney will ever possess. I firmly believe that if the GOP had been smart enough to have nominated Gingrich, he would have won the election handily. The man is brilliant, he doesn't pull any punches, has a very analytical mind, and his proposals for recovery make good sense. Too bad he is branded a "kook." Really smart people who are not on a leash often are by the inferiors who outnumber them.
Jim, while I'm not a fan of Newt's politics either, I agree that he is ten times smarter than Mitt. The "money" wanted Mitt and that is the only reason he is where he is. They knew he woild be much easier to manipulate and control than Newt would be.
I hope the general public realizes this on election day.
Gingrich may be smart, but some of his speeches defy rationality and are those of a demagogue. One of my favorites is when he warned the US could become "a secular atheist country . . . dominated by radical Islamists." Like radical Islamists would allow a country they dominated to be secular or atheist. But Gingrich may well have a higher IQ than Romney, for what that is worth.
McCain pulled a perfect Romney. He doesn't know what Romney said but stands by what he said.
Romney as President would be a National Nightmare. The man has exposed himself as incompetent, a racist, an anti Semite and all around fool. He played the "Jews are good with money" card and seems to think it was a compliment.
Not even a good try by McCain to try to undo Romney's stupidity.
OBAMA 2012! The only sane choice.
"Romeny as president would be a National Nightmare [sic]." I guess you'd know RRuin. You've got your fearless failure running us into the worst economic nightmare since the great depression, and you want to reelect him. What does that say about you?
OBAMA's LEGACY:
FAILED ECONOMIES, PERSISTENT UNEMPLOYMENT, and $5,000,000,000,000 in NEW DEBT.
If you want more of the same, then by all means, vote for greatest failure this country has ever elected.
I wish John McCain would just shut his pie-hole. Seriously.
If Romney didn't mean "culture" then why did he say "culture?" I have this mental picture of an elephant (Romney) in a parade with two little men (McCain and Graham) running behind with broom and scoop cleaning up his crap. No doubt Sarah Palin is lapping all this up. Before its over Mitt may make her look like an intellectual. Just think ~ four years to prepare for an election and this is what the GOP comes up with.
I'm sure Romney meant "culture." And I'm sure he was correct. There are many cultures in this world that excel at failure. Most of them, like the Palestinian culture, the Haititan culture and the Somoli culture, excel in victim mentality. So what if he said "culture?" Good for him.
But Paul, the real danger with these non-scripted excursions in rhetoric is the danger they pose. I also think he meant "culture" and have no problem with it ~ but the script writers obviously do and the establishment members recognize that danger. Other than in the tightly knitted realm of venture capitalism, Romney has no credentials in foreign affairs. He apparently doesn't understand the potential for mistranslation and thinks that the American context has universal application. Of course, in this case he was sucking up to the Jews so its use was self-serving ~ even if it conveys a different meaning in matters of state and diplomacy.
"excel in victim mentality"
How ironic when comparing Israeli and other cultures. The Palestinians are an occupied refugee population without a state, their meager resources tightly controlled by Israel. To ignore that and talk about "culture" is racist to the core.
So jibal, I guess the whole Jewish population there thousands of years ago is a myth?
I am on the edge of my seat waiting see what he can manage to screw up in Poland.
Culture does make a difference, and it's not "racist". For example, many governments of Europe are just as democratic and even less corrupt than the US. Then why does the US produce new companies like Apple while Europe cannot? Also, if McCain was correct, the Phillipines would be doing better than China since it's more democratic.
Israel is more succussful than any of its Arab neighbors precisely because of a difference in culture.
Cal--The fact that Israel has a higher GDP than the area covered by the Palestinian authority has nothing to do with, say, American assistance to Israel (in the 1950s, about a third of the Israeli government revenues came from private donations from the US) or the fact that since 1967 the West Bank and Gaza have often been occupied territories under strict blockade. By the way, you'll be shocked to learn that Qatar, an Arab state, in 2011 had a per capita GDP of $104,000, the United Arab Emirates came in at $48,800, and Kuwait at $42,00 while Israel's was $31,400 (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html). Yep, has to be cultural.
It is most certainly racist, and anyone who attributes it to culture while paying no attention the fact that the Palestinians are a stateless refugee population with meager and tightly controlled resources is racist and dishonest to the core.
"Then why does the US produce new companies like Apple while Europe cannot?"
This is extraordinarily ignorant an chauvinistic. Europe firms dominate numerous markets.
The Palestinians number one priority is to kill Jews not produce a thriving economy.
Mhr--What a charmingly ignorant thing to say. It ranks right up there with saying the Israelis' number one priority is to kill Palestinians. The Palestinians' number one priority is more likely to provide for their families whom they love. Believe it or not, but they're human and have the same number one priority as all other humans.
And then Romney runs off to Poland while the Polish men's beach volleyball team is downing the American team in Olympic Play. I wonder if he stole the American's strategy when he was at the Olympics and delivered it to the Poles.
One wonders whom he is insulting more. Is he saying the "Jewish Culture" gives Israel a higher GDP? Why? Because Jews are good at making money? Of course, if it's all cultural, is this his explanation of why European-Americans have a higher average income than African-Americans? Is he saying that African-Americans are just too lazy? The world is a very complex place and Mitt has demonstrated that he's not ready for prime time.
What Romney MEANT to say John?? What McCain said Romney "meant" was not even REMOTELY SIMILAR to what Romney said.
McCain, of course, didn't hear what Romney said and hadn't read the speech, but he knows what Romney meant. That's pathetic.
Silly libs, keep defending the stone age mooslem culture. Romney was correct. If the BRITISH hadn't discovered oil for the idiots their countries would be even worse. Israel is a civilized country trying to survive surrounded by terrorists. BTW: did msnbc cover the Polish President wishing Romney success. Didn't think so.
Rev--NBC showed the former Polish president, Lech Walesa, wishing Romney success, although he was careful not to say success in what.
Rev, it would come as a shock to you to learn that while Europe descended into barbarism in the Dark Ages, the Moslem Middle East was the center of culture and learning, a repository of western culture that would be tapped by Europeans at the dawn of the Renaissance. Besides, as you noted, some Brits, Frenchmen and Dutch found oil in the Mideast and they've still got it. The wise statesman does not denigrate those with the oil.
Yes, "libs" are silly for being intelligent and knowing things ... like that 10% of Israel's Palestinian population are Christians. And for being intellectually honest, like recognizing that the Palestinians are a refugee population without a state and with very limited resources, which is surely far more important in a comparison with Israelis. "libs" are silly not to be racists and liars.
Every time Romney opens his mouth, either he, his campaign, or one of his republican cohorts; has to back-track, retract, clarify, or “What he meant to say was” ……. Romney has nothing to say of any worth regarding the history and conflict between Israel and Palestine. Apparently he hasn’t studied their history, nor have a policy objective he would hope to implement toward that region of the world or anywhere else. Why else would he just wing-it (as usual), quote some book he’s read that probably has little or nothing to do with the specifics there, and slam Palestinian culture in the process. This guy is complete unprepared to lead anything greater than his off shore business interests. I can’t wait for the presidential debates. President Obama is going to smoke this guy.
McCain is sure that Romney didn't mean precisely what he did mean and say. Romney takes the basically racist position that it's about culture -- and the Tea Partyers here mostly agree. McCain thinks, no no, it's a difference in their governments. Of course both of these men are appallingly dishonest, because they know full well -- even if their followers don't -- that the Palestinians are an occupied refugee population with measly accesses that are tightly controlled by Israel.
Sorry, measly resources, access to which are tightly controlled by Israel.
Mr. McCain. You better read your bible. It has everything to do with culture.
Since you imply one religion is superior and above others, may I ask you why you believe that? Why would any "God" create so many diverse cultures and races and them teach them all different things? Why would he pit part of his creation against other parts of his creation?
I'll tell you why. Because "God" is a man made concept. Religion has been used to control people since the concept of "God" was conceived. All religions are guilty of murder and hypocrisy. Religion teaches love for those who agree with a given mindset and hate for those who disagree with it.
Christians, Jews, Muslims and all other religions will never be completely happy until they have wiped everyone that disagree with their "God" off the face of the earth. Politicians therefore "play" to the hate and fear, and they are ALL guilty of it.
Romney made these remarks to foreign donors. Is it now OK for foreign money to be used to influence American elections? Maybe for Mitt it doesn't matter where the money comes from, as long as there's lots of it.
The only campaign money that is allowed to be given is from American citizens living abroad.
I'm sure I read an article about Obama doing the same.
McCain is playing an odd role in his deranged party, apologizing for and sometimes even criticizing the craziness that has become the Republican norm. Is this their attempt to "seek the center", so that otherwise sane people who are tempted to vote for Republicans will perceive that they're not all lunatics? Good luck with that.
"Deranged" being the key word. Another poster here made the statement the other day that McCain was too liberal. I could only laugh at the idea of McCain being liberal. Centrist, at best. Liberal, never.
The GOP doesn't even know who they are right now. All they know is they hate Obama. The rank and file of the party fall prey to lies that encourage them to vote against their own interests. The leadership can't even agree on which lies to tell.
If you hate Obama, then vote Romney. Just remember... be careful what you ask for. You might get it.
Mitt the Twit rides again! He got it all wrong: the reasons, the GDP gap, everything!
Israel has an economy that is extremely well propped up by the US taxpayer, her citizens enjoy a great deal of freedom and education, etc. The per capita GDP is about $30000.
The Palestinian sector has an economy that is choked by Israeli Occupation, almost totally neglected by the Arab world's oil money, and is forever struggling with Israeli settlers who want even more land. The per capita GDP is $1500.
If you take an Israeli and a Palestinian out of their "culture" and put them onto an even playing field (... maybe apprenticed to the Donald?) I bet their chances of economic success would be much more even.
Of all the brainless, disconnected utterances we've seen from ol' Etch-A-Sketch, this has got to be right up there at the pinnacle of the cowpie.
Let's see, two countries and this "not ready for prime time" jackass has managed to insult twice. Is that some kind of record? Brace yourselves Poland!
The Palestinians are more concerned with killing Jews instead of building a thriving economy.
The British are just too high strung because the concerns that Romney said he had are all true.
Yeah, like the concern over whether the Brits could pull together in support of the games. When I think of people who really can't pull together for a common goal, the British certainly come to mind. I mean, think of the way they wilted during World War II.
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Really, Johnny Mac? You're going with, "the problem with the Palestinian Authority is that their taxes are just too high"? You don't think their economic problems might have something to do with their government being run by religious fundamentalists whose primary goal is waging war against their other government? Or that the Palestinian people are also still under the authority of the Israeli government which views them as enemies of the state and which imposes most of their regulations and taxes? Quick fact check, what's the top marginal tax rate in Israel and in the Palestinian territories? That's really the crux of their problems?
Look, J.M., I get that you're just trying to cover Mitt's back and avoid any appearance that he's being bigoted against Muslims. And I find it somewhat admirable that you are willing to buck your party and stand up for Muslims like Huma Abedin and the Palestinians. I'm sure if you run for re-election again, it'll come back in the form of accusations that you are secretly a foreign Muslim yourself, but it's good that you'll oppose that element of your party. Still, what you said there just boggles the mind. I see the objective, that you and the rest of the Romney campaign are trying to frame foreign policy in economic issues since Mitt is so weak on foreign policy and...well, not strong, but at least on even footing with President Obama on economic issues generally (though not on specific policies). That makes sense politically, but you can't just say patently absurd things like that quote above.
Romney's campaign is backtracking...again.
Romney made many much more inflamatory statements in Israel then cultural differences (i.e. all other nations of the ME are enemies of Israel and want to destroy Israel). Culture AND Religion does play a HUGE role in the differences btw. Palestine and Israel. Romney's statement about cultural differences was correct and miniscule compared to his inflamatory statements he made in Israel to reinforce Israel's paranoia that all the ME is out to destroy Israel.