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Subscribe to RSSIn a purely political exercise this afternoon in the Senate, Senate Democrats narrowly passed a bill 51 to 48 to extend Bush-era tax cuts for middle class Americans for another year. With Vice President Biden presiding over the Senate, Democrats lost only two votes: Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) and Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who regularly votes with Democrats.
Under the plan, income tax rates for individuals making up to $200,000 and families making up to $250,000 would remain the same in 2013. Rates on upper income Americans would expire on Dec. 31st.
"This is a big victory for the American people today," Vice President Biden said in a show of support for Senate Democrats. Biden's presence in the Senate chamber was a symbolic move, his vote was not needed to put Democrats over the top.
The bill follows through on an election-year call from President Obama to protect the middle class from an income tax hike next year. He has campaigned on the message that wealthier Americans should pay more in taxes to help reduce the national deficit.
"Democrats believe this country can't afford more budget-busting giveaways for the top 2 percent of earners," Majority Leader Harry Reid told his fellow senators on the floor.
But Republicans argue the Democrats’ bill would mean almost a million small business owners in those upper tax brackets would see a tax increase. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Democrats are not serious about the nation's fiscal problems.
"We know this is not about the economy. We know this is about the election," he shot back at Reid on the floor.
"Thank goodness it’s not going anywhere because it would be bad for the economy. The single worst thing we could do to the country," he said of the Democrats’ bill.
House Republicans have no plans to take up the Senate-passed bill; they will move ahead next week on their own legislation that would extend the Bush-era tax rates for all Americans for one year. A similar version failed today in the Senate.
The legislative maneuvering has set the stage for two competing messages heading into November.
As the Senate Democrat's political messaging leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) told reporters,
"The House can either pass these middle-class tax cuts, like we did, or it will be clear they're putting millionaires first."
Or the Republican view as articulated by Mitch McConnell: "Here's the Democratic plan for the economy: ‘We'll get this thing going again. We'll get it going again by raising taxes ... give us your money, and we'll handle it for you.’ That's their tax plan. That's their plan for the economy and jobs."
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I think that the poor should pay for extending the tax cuts for the rich. Especially since the rich have contributed so much to everyone else in the way of "trickle down". When will the poor understand that they owe everything to the rich?
Why is it that the left constantly calls the Bush tax cuts "tax breaks for the wealthy" and "tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires" and then insists that they expire only on the top 2%!!?? If they are truly tax breaks for the wealthy, allowing them ALL to expire would not harm the wealthy!!! They have two reasons for their position. They know that the majority of these tax cuts went to the "nonwealthy (the bottom rate went from 15% to 10%, a decrease of 33%, the # paying no federal income tax increased from 25% to 47% an rerfundable tax credits allowed those paying no federal income taxes to get refunds) and they know that raising taxes on the top 2% sounds good to the other 98% (buys votes)!!!
I meant "would not harm the nonwealthy". Sorry!!!
Come on Jay!! Don't disappoint me!! Come on with your leftist bull@@!$%#! Just don't expect me to believe your "facts" when they change with the wind!!!
Dear
Jack, Arthur 66, Brian B-999 and all other "Conservatives".
PLAIN AND SIMPLE; Government is not a Business! And cannot be run as a business.
If you have any doubt, look at what happened at the end of 2008, our previous
president was a business owner and had a degree in business administration and
he left our Great Country in ruins. We were losing about 700,000 jobs a month
when Bush left office, and left his mess for someone else to clean and blame
him for the bad economy and the condition our Country was left. Willard made
his money using government financing, screwing the middle class; he does not
care for anyone but himself and his rich friends (Republicans in Congress).
Why the Corruptblicans voted no on everything the president has proposed? Because they are a bunch of COWARDS who do not care for the Countru and are afraid of the tea party people (whom by the way also get screwed by the republican
policies), but they don’t see that, they are like sheep, THEY FOLLOW THEIR LEADERS. Rushy, Hannity, Glenny Beck, Bachman, Palin etc., etc.
Also they are afraid to lose their seat in congress which means they ALSO LOSE THEIR GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE INSURANCE, PENSION , Bribes, ooops I mean contributions.
About 70% of all members in congress are millionaires, that is why they are so
against, letting the bush tax breaks to the top 1% expire, if they cared for
their constituents they would vote yes on extending the tax cut for the middle
class or the 99%.
I understand your frustration and hatred for the first Black American President (whom btw was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and knows what is to not have enough money for the basic needs; however your anger is being directed to the wrong party and person(s).
If you recall When Mr. Bush was handed the presidency by the SC (by a Republican
appointee) our Great Country was doing extremely well, budget surplus, incredible growth, millions of GOOD paying jobs were created.
What was the first thing the Republican president did?, give tax breaks to all his
rich donors and friends and also the rest of the Country, the reason we were able to balance the budget under president Clinton was based on the premise the Country's current revenue will stay the same. Not a Trillion dollar in tax breaks.
But leave it to the Corruptblicans in power to screw the middle class and our Country.
First were the tax breaks to the Rich and their corporations and then was reported that THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION FAILED AND REFUSED TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY (the Clinton administration gave the bush administration all the information in regard to Bin laden, and what did they do with the info?, they just wiped their Asses with the August 6th, 2001 briefing, stating that Bin Laden was preparing to attack the US.
What did we get from the CORRUPTBLICAN administration? Lies, lies and more lies, and they manipulated the information to take our Country to invade Iraq, who had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack.
We sent our Brave troops to Afghanistan and then the Neo-Cons (which most of them
are Willard’s Mitty Romney advisors in foreign policy) said now we have to go to
Iraq ( remeber Chenney saying they will welcome us with flowers and the war effort will be paid with Iraq's oil revenue!), so they could give a no bid contract to Dick's and Bush's donor's and friends.
When Republicans are in charge, they make their friends very rich and the middle class and our Country suffers.
JOB CREATION under the Corruptblicans:
Fast food positions, to which Bush said they were manufacturing jobs.
Bush and the Corruptblicans promoted the outsourcing of great paying American jobs, so their contributors and corporation could make more money, so they could take it to Switzerland, the Cayman islands etc., so they did not have to pay taxes.
For each job that is outsourced to India, China, Mexico, not only the workers and
the middle class suffer, but also the Country as a whole, we lose the revenue to continue to pay for, Police, Firemen, Teachers, infrastructure and State and City budgets suffer, also for each job outsourced, 2-3 additional jobs are lost.
Corruptblicans have been very, very good in creating jobs and tax revenue, but not in The United States. They have done it for China,
India, Mexico, and anywhere where they can find the cheapest labor, were
workers are abused and child labor is very prevalent.
PROGRESSIVES, INDEPENDENTS, AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE 99%
WAKE UP AND VOTE IN NOVEMBER OUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF GENERATIONS TO COME, CANNOT AFFORD FOR US TO SIT ON OUR BUTTS.!
THE PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS WILL CHOSE WHO WILL SIT IN THE SUPREME COURT AND THIS WILL HAVE A LONG LASTING EFFECT IN OUR COUNTRY AND OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOM!
One sided political hyperbole in which you use half truths and make up the the remaining psudo-facts! Ideology is your main motivator rather than the truth.You never put forth a worthy arguement and only espouse hyperbole! Try making a logical arguement and maybe someone will answer you! Mommy want's you upstairs now!Din nin is ready!
Hmmmm mas098,
The truth does not hurt, but makes you very uncomfortable. BTW time to change your diaper and give you your bottle.
The current maximum tax rate is 35%, the maximum Clinton tax rate was 39%.
Obama needs to explain why 35% is "unfair" but 39% is "fair".
You need to explain how 39% was unfair under Clinton. The wealthy and the economy had no problem with it then.
I am not claiming that either the 35% or 39% rate are "fair" or "unfair".
It is Obama who claims 35% is "unfair" and 39% is "fair".
Unless he can proffer an persuasive justification for his characterizations of those two tax rates I must conclude that he is only interested in fostering a political climate of envy, anger and resentment in the hope that he will divert the electorate's attention from his buffoonish bumbling of the economy.
I was talking to a conservative acquaintance named Reggie about this story. I like talking to people like this to get a feel for how conservatives "think," to use the term loosely. Now basically, Reggie is a playboy who made his money the old fashioned way: he inherited it. His income, as far as I can tell, consists entirely of dividends and capital gains that are taxed at a much lower rate than other income. So I asked him about the prospects of his taxes going up in January. He replied, "I sure hope that doesn't happen. I have big plans to spend that extra money: a Caribbean cruise, a Swiss ski trip, French wines, and a new Italian sports car." I asked him about creating jobs. He laughed and said, "Create jobs? I don't even work, let alone own a business. The only jobs I'll be creating are overseas." I asked him if he felt guilty about this. He replied, "Not at all. Those Republicans keep doing wonderful things for me without me even asking them to, and if the voters are stupid enough to keep electing them, they get what they deserve."
Hey Dems you choose to forget that when you raise taxes on the upper class they are not who pays for it. They pay for that tax increase by passing it on to us either by cutting pay for employees, laying off employees or raising the price of their product/ service. No matter what you wish they will lot loose any money nor will it bring them any closer to the so called 99% it just cost the lower classes more and slows the growth of the economy. If you do not understand this then you have never worked in any retail type position where it is easy to see how costs are passed on to the consumer. That or you need to take off the blinders.
If you tax personal income, they have to pay for it! As for business taxes and passing along the cost to the consumer, well they've been doing that for ages. Isn't that how capitalism works?
Volltan...first it is a myth that the wealthy employ masses of people...they don't. Most people work for corporations, which are owned by stock holders. Their personal tax rate does not influence one single management decision at the company in which they own stock, unless they hold enough to actually swing a vote on the board....thereby changing management......the myths some of you believe is silly.
BTW, real small businesses...you know Mom and Pop stores and restaurants...yep they provide horrible jobs.. Very low pay, often below minimum wage and zero benefits......of course 99.5% of these "employers" are nowhere near $250K AGI.
Volltan hasn't got a clue. People can't simply pass on an expense to others. Businesses already charge the price that is most profitable. If they raise the price, they lose some business. If a small business owner's personal taxes go up, he is not going to raise his prices to make up for it because he will lose sales and wind up even worse off.
To..Volltan""""
You are right..Corporate taxes( When they run out loopholes and tax shelters the middle class and poor don't get).. are paid for by the consumer...CEO's obscene bonuses are paid for by the consumer...lobbying is paid for by the consumer.. profits are made because of and by the consumer..and we are all the consumers rich or poor....no getting around that ...
Now in the last decade of the bush tax cuts ...the price of what has gone down ...nothing .. as we all know...giving them more tax cuts now are gonna bring prices down
No
I'm glad to see we have so many experts on what raising or not raising taxes will do. My only question is, if you are so smart then why aren't you one of the wealthy?
TC,
How do you know that some are not wealthy? You have to be wealthy to discuss what you think about raising or not raising taxes? Where is that written????
We're talking about taxes on personal income not business taxes.
OK, fine:
The current maximum personal income tax rate is 35%, the maximum Clinton personal income tax rate was 39%.
Obama needs to explain why 35% is "unfair" but 39% is "fair".
Your income has to be around $380,000 to pay 35%, but with all the deductions and tax breaks that accountants find, no one pays that much.
So what? The top rate is the top rate. How does that answer the "fairness" question?
What's "fair" about holding the extension of the middle class tax cuts hostage to extending them to the wealthiest Americans? Our tax code is "unfair" because the wealthy never pay the top rate (deductions, tax breaks) while everyone else pays the highest maximum for their income. How is that "fair"?
You talk nonsense SacredFire. If "the wealthy never pay the top rate" then who care whether the top rate is 34% or 39%? Why are the Democrats playing politics over a tax rate you claim no one ever pays? Why are the Democrats holding the middle class tax hostage to a rate no one pays? Just keep the current tax rates the current tax rate for everyone... otherwise Obama MUST explain how 35% is "unfair" but 39% "fair".
To..Martha""
Nonsense ...guess you would know...
Sacredfire are you telling me the middle class doesn't take advantage of every tax break they can find? What about those who literally pay in maybe $400 but turn around and get a refund check for ten times that amount. that doesn't happen with the wealthy.
Why is it nonsense to demand Obama explain how a 35% tax rate is "unfair" but a 39% tax rate "fair"? You are free to drink Obama's Kool-Aid; I require more.
To Tc""""""
Release: Tax Time? Not for Giant Corporations
Bernie Sanders
March 27, 2011
Sanders compiled a list of some of some of the 10 worst corporate income tax avoiders.
1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings. (Source: Exxon Mobil's 2009 shareholder report filed with the SEC here.)
2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion. (Source: Forbes here, ProPublica here and Treasury here.)
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=67562604-8280-4d56-8af4-a27f59d70de5
Try to focus Amunaka, the issue is personal income tax rates not corporate tax rates.
Are you alleging that either Exxon or Bank of America filed fraudulent tax returns?
Why didn't Obama propose ANY changes in the corporate tax rate or deductions when he had a vast majority in the House of Representatives and a filibuster proof super-majority in the Senate. Obama could have passed anything he wanted without a single Republican vote (remember ObamaCare).
Regarding individual tax rates Obama didn't do a damn thing when he had his chance (during the 111th Congress). Now it is an urgent matter of fairness... he owes us an explanation.
To Martha """
What on earth are you even talking about ...besides BS...what supper majority the dems got 60 votes in the senate..how bout that super majority in congress how many is that..
So the Senate didn't get new batteries for their calculators? The math is out there. We could tax the 2% at 99% and it won't even cover six months of our current year spending. The Government is not a Business is correct. But tell me why it spends more money than any other business in the U.S. or for that matter the World???
It's not about Political Ideology, religious fundamentalist.
It's the Federal Government!
It is a Living, Breathing Monster.
Everybody has to put up or shut up!
When the Fed's can make Billions out of Us. Regardless of whether there is Republicans or Democrats holding any and all offices. They will until they bleed us Dry.
Blaming Hippies, Red Necks, Believers and Non Believers, NRA and OWS is just what they want to keep Happening.
It's no longer a Left or Right Issue.
It's the People vs. Government.
So Long as were divided, they'll keep growing. Government has no Ideology. They have no Opinion. They just are everything to everybody. We are too divided to take care of it Ourselves.
They can only exist as long as we blame each other.
When we can act like Adults, we can start to take back control.
Until than, turn your Head and Cough.
Remember:
"The Natural progress of things is for Liberty to Yield, and Government to gain ground." by Thomas Jefferson
If not Me than Who?
Vote with Your Brain not Your Heart!
Study History and You can Predict the Future
This is about cutting taxes for the middle class not raising taxes. You do know that, right?
To..liitle"""
But yet everybody runs to the government when they want something now don't they ..get out of my life ....until I need you ..and everybody needs the government for one thing or another in their lifetime everybody rich or poor
No denial. But do we all need it as Big and Unwieldy as it currently stands? There are redundant Departments for many, many meaningless programs started by Pork Barrel projects. The current Government is so large it literally has no idea what purpose many of it's own Programs are even meant to accomplish.
They cannot even conduct a Complete Audit. It would take years.
That in my opinion is a Government that cannot even Govern itself let alone the American People.
I am very happy about this.
McConnell is such a halfwit dope... I mean,.. really...
Small business owners don't pay the top marginal rate on gross receipts... Only on the AGI AFTER business expenses are deducted...
Only the junior high dropout class of the Wal-Mart conservative crowd is going to be ignorant enough to buy into the propaganda..
""But Republicans argue the Democrats’ bill would mean almost a million small business owners in those upper tax brackets would see a tax increase. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Democrats are not serious about the nation's fiscal problems. ""
McConnell is beyond a relic, I even think he may be remedial or have alzheimers. He forgets everything that makes the middle class the backbone. Funny, cause he has none of his own. It doesn't say much that Kentuckians would constantly elect this charlatan. Man they must be really backward, stupid or drank way too much Kool-Aid.
They are really backward. Really backward places elect conservatives because they are ignorant. Think Mississippi. Backward = ignorant = conservative.
Sorry, but a flat rate of 7% for ALL revenue generating entities and NO (that's zero) deductions. Every person I know, poor and all, are wanting this. Then and only does EQUALITY exist in the United States of America.
No deductions? Does this include employee compensation?
Freddy, only the very rich and very ignorant want a flat tax because it would mean a huge new tax decrease for the richest taxpayers to be made up by tax increases for the middle class.
Zorro
Your full of BS or you you can't do simple math. Why do you post such nonsense? Not everyone on here is as uninformed as you are.
I have a degree in economics and I own a tax accounting business for a living, you pathetic half-wit. If you think I'm wrong, then provide some numbers instead of infantile name calling.
You want to know why the economy isn't growing? I won't tell you, but I let Obama tell you in his won words.
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that "the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.
Sen. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., (Senate – March 16, 2006)
Isn't it amazing that this Obama speech has become the reality of today with Obama raising the debt ceiling to $16.7 trillion and pushing the national debt almost to $16 trillion.
To..What """"
You forget to explain why the national debt is so high today ..
Amunaka
The democrats were in control of Congress for both Bush and Obama when all the uncontrolled spending occurred.
They could have stopped the Bush spending, but they didn't. Obama could have stopped his democratically controlled congress's spending, but he didn't.
That's why when the government was going to shut down on August 2, 2011 the never ending debt crisis was created. IN less than a year, Obama requested that the debt ceiling be raised from $14.2 trillion to $16.7 trillion. Now with Obama's spending the Obama is pushing the national debt close to $16 trillion.
What does that mean to you as an individual? Your share of the national debt is over $50,000.00.
You want to check out my facts? Use your search engine to look up, just facts national debt. It will give you an education of who did what and when and in what amounts.
To..what.."""
No ...check your facts the downturn can be traced back to when when repubs controlled the congress .. the senate and the white house from Jan 2003 to Jan 2007......and if we were losing 700,000 a month at the end of bush's term ..and if only 3 million jobs were created in bush's eight years ...well you do the math ...
I think Thelma and Louise got it right. Time to go.
While you Obama supporters have been on here blaming Bush or the Republican and calling people names like racist or bigot, Obama's been making plans for when his debt crisis shuts down his government. If you bother to get informed you would know this already.
On December 31, 2011 Obama signed into law a Bill that gives the military the authority to detain indefinitely any American citizen on American soil for any reason without having to provide that citizen with their Constitutional protections and that citizen will face a military court.
Yahoo News is reporting that the Marines have created 3 law enforcement battalions that will be trained as combat soldiers and civilian police officers whose duties will include dealing with domestic issues.
In January, 2012 Obama signed a Bill into law that makes peaceful protest a felony that carries up to a 10 year prison sentence.
In March, 2012 Obama issued an executive order that gives him the authority to declare Marshal Law at his discretion.
It was reported last year that internment camps were being built in the South.
Obama's actions are that of a man who foresees the collapse of our Constitutional government and is preparing for it.
To what"""
Wait ..I got a bunch of stuff I saved that said the same thing about bush ...
To..what""""
Here.... From WND you know their always right ..right...
THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Emergency detention plan:
'This way to the camps!'
Directive from Bush allows president
extraordinary powers in national crisis
May 30, 2007
WorldNetDaily
Halliburton's former engineering and construction subsidiary has a contingency contract with the Department of Homeland Security to construct detention facilities in the event of a national emergency, according to WND columnist Jerome Corsi.
As Corsi reported last week, President Bush recently signed a little-reported National Security and Homeland Security Directive granting extraordinary powers to the president in the event of a declared national emergency, apparently without congressional approval or oversight.
Houston-based KBR was awarded an initial $385 million contract in January 2006 for one year, with four one-year options extended into 2007. KBR held a previous emergency detention contract with ICE from 2000 to 2005.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55925
The stuff Bush did, didn't give the military police powers to detain you indefinitely and the judicial powers to try you before a military court where you won't have Constitutional protections.
To..what""""
Huh...?
(snip)
My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF.
Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
December 31, 2011.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540
The down turn started in the seventies with the start of exporting our jobs overseas and continues through today.
Its even going to continue in the future if the reports about the banks and insurances companies making plans to ship their customer service and computer operations overseas.
What is even more mind boggling is that the health insurance companies have been operating test programs where they are sending their policy holders overseas for their elective surgeries to see if its cost efficient. The test results are indicating that its so efficient, that the health insurance companies are giving employers bonus to encouraging their workers to sign up for this.
WH,
Question for you. Who sponsored the bill you are talking about? Both Democrat and Republican! The Democrat was a co-sponsor. Who passed that bill so it could become law. Republicans and Democrats. All though more Democrats voted against it than any other party. Did President Obama write the bill? NO! Did Pesident Obama sponsor the bill? NO! Did Congress pass the bill? YES! Did the President sign the bill into law? YES!
Did you write, call your representatives asking them to vote no on this bill? I did! Didn't help, but I will not vote for them come re-election! At least a Democrat put an amendment that does give some protection to a U.S. citizen. What did the Republicans/Tea Party do? NOTHING!
So, how can you just blame the President for this without blaming the Congress? Or Senator John McCain ( who was the sponsor and drafter)? Give me a break...always trying to lay the blame on one person only!!!
Stupid is as Stupid does to only blame the President.
Yes, Obama did say that, but he didn't have those provisions taken out of the Bill before he signed it into law did he. Why would he allow them to remain in the law if he didn't plan to up hold them. We now know from experience that what Obama says and what he does are not the same thing.
For example; Obama said in his first campaign that if elected he would repeal the Bush tax cuts to the Rich, but he didn't do it. IN fact Obama has said as part of this campaign that he wants to extend them.
We know from Obama's first campaign that he had the tax reforms he talking about in this campaign ready to go to Congress, but he never even proposed them to his democratically controlled congress until he lost the House to the Republicans.
If your take notice of Obama wanting to extending the tax breaks to the rich coming out of one side of his mouth while he's telling people that his tax reform will raise the taxes to the rich coming out of the other side of his mouth something just isn't right.
How can you trust a man who says he wants to extend the tax cuts to the rich and then at the same time says he wants to raise the taxes to the rich?
Independent
Your are missing the point. What does it matter who wrote the Bill. Obama said he didn't support the provisions of the Bill, yet he signed the Bill into law.
Then he took it one step further by issuing a press release that said he wouldn't up hold the provisions of the law. That means he is going to violate his oath of office. How can you trust a man who said his oath is meaningless and worthless when all he had to do was not sign the Bill until those provision were removed?
Now I have a question for you to answer. Why would Obama sign a Bill into law that makes peaceful protests a felony with fines and imprisonment up to ten years when the States already that the police power to deal with those kinds of protests?
Its overkill until your realize that under the States police powers, the police must offer anyone involved in a peaceful protest their Constitutional protections of due process.
Under this new law, the military can detain and try anyone involved in a peaceful protest without having to provide that person with their Constitutional protection of due process.
You do understand this difference, don't you?
WH,
Why did the bill get drafted in the first place? Why did a Republican be a sponsor and draftee of the bill. Why did a democrat co-sponsor the bill? In heavens name why did it pass both chambers of Congress? Yet, you continually blame just the President Obama!! WHY??? Hate, blindly following your party ideology, what??
As for the continuing tax breaks. They were part of the negotiations during the fiasco of the Republican/Tea Party holding the deficit hostage. They got what they wanted (i.e. tax breaks extended) along with the down grade of our credit rating. Blame them, as they were the ones responsible!!
So how can we trust the Republican party after that. You think they are for us? Are you really that blind? The blame goes way beyond the non-factual talking points the Republicans are putting out.
I have one more question for you. How can you trust a man who makes the following speech and has the power to stop the uncontrolled spending, but doesn't?
In February 2009, Democratic President Barack Obama stated:
I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay. And that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.
"Remarks at the Fiscal Responsibility Summit." By Barack Obama. Government Printing Office, February 23, 2009. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/presdocs/2009/DCPD200900102.htm
A man who not only created a never ending ever growing debt crisis, but requested and got the debt ceiling raised from $14.2 trillion to $16.7 trillion in less than a year while pushing the national debt close to $16 trillion.
No matter what Obama said, he's going to use that military police power the first chance he gets. Because, experience has taught me that Obama's actions scream volumes over his words.
Indepndent
I though I made the Why very clear. Obama didn't have to sign the Bill. No one made him sign the Bill.
That's the checks and balances that is written into the Constitution to protect us from an oppressive government.
Obama went out of his way to say he didn't support the provisions of the Bill, yet he signed it into law. Why? The answer is very clear. He's up for reelection and had to hide the fact that he not only supports those provisions, he making plans to use them.
WH,
I more than understand what the bill threatens as an American citizen. But I'm not stupid enough to say nothing matters except that President Obama signed it. You have to place the blame where it belongs, not just on who you don't like!!
I have read the complete document including the Section 1021. A Congressman/person ( Democrat) tried to introduce an amendment that would have excluded any American citizen. Your House majority leader would not let it be debated, effectively killing it. Want to put some blame on him??? Didn't think so!
It was drafted by Senator McCain as a national security measure. Why don't you ask him why it included American citizens? No blame there? He didn't have to include that section.
Do you understand the difference in putting the blame all on one person? Somehow I don't think so. President Obama, Congress (both chambers), Republicans/TeaParty, Democrats all have a share in this bill becoming law.
So until you wake up and put the blame for this law where it belongs, your opinion is just a political rant against the President.
WH,
No more so than any other President. Including Republicans. After all, it was their brain that though it up, made it a bill, and helped pass it. It just wasn't the Democrats doing this by themselves!
All politicains make, say and pronounce things they really don't have the power to control. Including Republicans, Democrats, Independents, etc., etc. So I consider that question silly. Sorry, but you know and I know half if not all what politicans say is not going to be fullfilled. Just listen to your own candidate and some of the promises he has made.
It seems you will not be convinced that blame is not on one man alone in government. So, I will disagree with your outlook on your way of viewing things. And I will stand up for what is factual and non-factual.
Webb is a hustler who wears his military record like Levon wears his war wound. Lieberman is an orthodox nutcase of a human being. He is Connecticut's shame.
End Income Tax and abolish the IRS. National Sales on everything except groceries. You only pay tax if you buy something. And everyone has to pay the tax, drug dealers, prostitutes, illegal aliens, illegal gamblers and Charlie Wrangle.
Ya, that will really work...the scary thing is that I think you actually believe it would work...LOL
Works in every state and city already.
A yes vote for the middle class--yes yes yes--about time! But as normal the party of NO will still vote no and try their best to stop the bill from comming law. Will never vote vote for the party of no again.
If I were a liberal i would worry more about the Democratic Senator for Virginia voting with Republicans. No matter how much they say Virginia is being won by Obama it is exactly the opposite. The same is happening in North carolina.
Republicans say no to raising taxs across the board, allegedly. Why the no vote for the middle class? Because they don't want to vote on this alone, they want to throw in the keystone pipeline, tax breaks for the rich, and anything else they can link to a vote like this. They would have voted yes if the Bush era cuts for the rich had been in it. I'm tired of grouping things together into packages. Vote on everything seperatly and then we can see who to get rid of. I like this vote, it shows me that the repubs are willing to throw 98% of us under the bus to get their boss's, the 2% what they want.
Gov't needs to stop buying votes LET THEM EXPIRE.
Lower AMT to 50,000 and Raise Capital Gains to 25% on ALL term investments including 401Ks and IRAs.
Put a 25% death tax on wealth over 400K
Lower child tax credits to $500
All welfare and ssi and food stamp money should be worked for by community service at a rate of $25/hr.
Obama added 5.3 trillion to the national debt in less than 3.5 years it will take EVERYONE to help balance things
Obama added 5.3 trillion? All by himself? Comunity service for SSI? I have SSI survivers benefits that help make up the difference of my deceased wifes wages and now I'm supposed to quit my job and go do community service? SSI is insurance, not an entitlement. Myself and my wife paid into it and I am entitled to it not because I am lasy but because it helps offset the cost of raising 2 kids and again, I paid for it. It wasn't an option for me to pay in to it so it shouldn't be an option to take it from me.
Craziness!
Iam referring to the freeloaders on SSI not people like you.
Welfare in this country is redick and people should earn their keep
Randy, Define free loaders with regards to SSI? For straight SSI and Medicare it is less than a $ 1000.00 a month not including the out of pocket costs for Medicare Insurance, yes you pay a monthly fee for Medicare.
In addition you pay another monthly fee for Rx coverage. Now you have a deductible on both Medical and Rx before you get coverage. Plus 20% out of pocket for Medical. Minimum Rx is now a minimum of $ 8.00 per monthly Rx. So you gotta be damn near Dead before you want to go on straight SSI. That means you never paid into it. Or don't have 40 quarters of employment and paid your SSI tax along with your employers contribution. That's ten years of employment at 40 hours per week.
So you might want to leave SSI out of it.
SSI Disability is harder to get than the News makes it out to be. In addition you have at least a year to wait to know their decision. Even after approval you then wait two years before being eligible for Medicare, if you lived long enough to get it.
The adds for these scumbag lawyers helping people fight disability denial is a Joke. They have minimum fees that are taken out of your monthly Payment.
The whole systems has been systematically raped by just about everybody but those who qualify and really need it!
If you really think a VAT tax (value added tax) is such a great idea, move to England.
What dollar figure does the government consider middle class?Starting next year we will be taxed on the cost of health insurance that the employer pays and that goes for the retirees.Due to the drought, food prices will once again go up.Due to the drought gasoline prices are going up.People should start adding up every penny of property,sales,Fed State,gasoline,utility taxes and then come on here and state that they are willing to pay more taxes.No matter if you are a Democrat or a Republican you must realize that wages have stagnated for the last 20 years while the cost of everything has gone up.Wake up people,we cannot afford anymore taxes.The government,states,counties and cities need to learn to work with less money.Less taxes means more money for people to spend which stimulates the economy.
This is for all you Clinton lovers...If it wasn't for the internet Clinton's presidency would've sucked too. If you raise taxes on the ones who supply jobs to our economy you basically screw the economy. That's exactly what our president wants. He needs to gain a strong base of dependent voters stuck on the idea that the Gov. will take care of them and in the end he'll screw them too.
This debate is over nothing. Don't you dummies know that this bill will be shot down in the house and we'll be back to square one. I've read some of you left wing illiterates celebrating this as if it's a done deal.
And why is it so important for you lefties to stick it to small business owners and the wealthy? You're being duped into believing that an extra 28 Billion from the top 3% is going to put a dent in anything??
You bunch of suckers need to be talking about why no one in DC is talking about spending less and balancing the budget except Republicans. The ones that balanced it in the 90's for Clinton whose economy you love to brag about so much.
"He didn't build that " !!! LOL
Open your eyes Knuckleheads !
Why???
Because anybody with even half a brain realizes that govt. spending is an important component of national income.. Right behind consumer spending..
You DIDN'T make the list...
Sorry..
OMG! You really believe that?
This is the mentality that votes for an Obama.
Hows that government spending working out for us genius?
18% real unemployment. Highest amount of people on food stamps. Highest foreclosure rate in history. Slowest recovery in history etc.....
I know, it's Bush's fault.
To calm """"
Right ..what happened when the repubs controlled the congress .. the senate and the white house from Jan 2003 to to Jan 2007....we should be rolling in the dough by now....no
repubs didn't balance chit just cut taxes .. borrowed ..spent and never paid back nothing ...how many times was the debt ceiling raised under bush
Calmconservative,
You know better than to repeat Rushys and the Corruptblicans line. Stop smoking/snorting that wacky stuff.
"He did not build that", check the opening ceremony for the 2002 winter Olympics and guess who said the said similar lines to the athletes? mmmmm Mr. Willard Romney.
Take the time to watch what the president said before and after that comment, So you are going to tell Us that you built everything for your small business?
IE; the building, the furniture, the air conditioning, the roads that lead to your business, the phones, the advertising, the cars or truck you use, etc. Someone else built it for you.
The Corruptblicans are talking about balancing the budget on the backs of the middle class and if you want to see what happens if their policies are implemented?
Take a look at England, Spain, Greece, they follow the same ideas as the corruptblicans and they made the situation worse.
Sorry but the facts are the facts, austerity does not work when you are facing a recession or heading to a depression, look at what happened here in the United States when the depression hit, the policies and ideas of the cons (conservatives) made matters worsem and it was because of world war 2, that we came out of the hole, and who was the one spending all the money? the Government! Yes the Government was the only one who had the money to pay and foot the bill, it was not the private sector.
As compared to Obama in 4 years Amundy? 5 Trillion spent in under 4 years under Obama. 4.9 in 8 years under Bush. Who's the fuggin dude playing with loose change in his pockets there Amundy. I do believe it it Odumbo.
Nice story Teabg but you have your history wrong as usual. The dems prolonged the depression by doing what Obama is trying to do now. Spend his way out.
It didn't work then and it aint workin' now.
Next !
To..Jon"""
Now what did Obama spend that loose change on ... trying to dig us out of the hole the last administration got us into ..I'd check your numbers again if I were you
Over 40% of our national debt is due to the Bush tax cuts for which we had no means to pay and the military action in the Middle East (it's not a war - only Congress has the CONSTITUTIONAL ability to declare war) for which we had no means to pay. Both were generated by WHOM? Yet you still hear Republicans claim THEY are the fiscally responsible and morally qualified politicians. How many Republicans have you seen step up to the plate and claim responsibility for all the debt they created? They take the disgusting, gutless stance of blaming it on Obama.
..........it's getting deep now. What a bunch of Horse Sh*t.
Over 40% of our national debt is due to the Bush tax cuts f
The math doesn't add up genius.
are you really this dumb. this country has been running without a buget for 3 and a half years. your leader is passing out freebies to everyone but the working man. it's obamas job to take responsibility. you talk about gutless your dear leader is it.
Actually, that about right, but its more like 30%.
CBO figures, cumulative total of added debt:
Bush policies and actions: $5.1T (2001 - 2009)
Obama policies and actions: $0.98T (2009-2017)
Moreover, Obama has the lowest rate of increase in Federal Spending of all Presidents since Reagan!
You can't tag Obama as the big spender! If he had been able to spend a bit more, and target it into new R&D and new industries like he wanted, we'd be a bit further along now.
To..reterry""""
Don't you'll make their heads explode...you know how messy that is
Nice Obama quote there reterry. National Debt when Obama took office, 10.9 Trillion Now 16 trillion. Seems your math sucks.
Spend a bit more...lmao...so we would only have a National debt of what, 17 -18 Trillion? Don't worry, Obamy getting us there.
retard this country owed 10trillion in 08 it is now 16trillion where the hell did you go to school
More fuzzy math from the left. Don't get me wrong. Republicans were not happy with Bush's spending near the end of his term but the facts are that Obooboo has quadrupled Bush's deficit and increased our national debt by 5 trillion in less than 4 years.
The CBO is adding in Bam Bam stimulous in the first year and because he hasn't spent over the trillion he increased the first year, he claims to be a tightwad.
Smart people can see through that line of BS. Parrots just repeat the talking point blindly without thinking. You make yourself look really dumb.
To..calm """
You are a thing of beauty ..can't stop laughing
You're a thing. Keep laughing knucklehead. You're clueless.
Hey calm, to call Amunaka clueless shows how clueless you actually are. He not only gives his opinion but, more then anyone else on here backs it up with facts and links to information that if you took the time to research would see is factual. He has inspired me to be more informed and I hope you do the same.
He's backed it up with nothing.........just lefty rhetoric.