Seems to be the case.

Which is why all these calls for more regulations are just silly.

In the areas where they have the most regulations, they also have the most gun homicides.

Odd, right?

But again, murder is already a crime

But then again - I'm just a bitter business owning clinger.

Oh and NOJO - how about that stunning admission by Axe that the leaks came from the WH?

Oh My!

Gun Laws Would Prevent Shooting Sprees?

Please, Tell me more about how criminals follow laws.

Ok Sailcat, my man, name the gun that is not deadly.

Come on, you must be able to do it, given you comment, yes?

Oh and dude - the Drum jammed, like they always do, and the damage was done with the shot gun and pistol.

You really think they can outlaw shot guns and .40 calibers?

Good luck.

Oh yeah = NUKES.

Let's make this super ridiculous, as only libbies can.

So anyone know how much some enriched uranium costs?

If legal, it'd be all discriminatory, cause the poor would not be able to afford.

But good one.

Interesting article from 2004, especially the first two words:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Whats that, Michelle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k

It's a perfectly reasonable point, I don't understand why it doesn't get applied to stuff like roe v wade and some schedule 1 narcotics.

Unfortunately, we can't get a candidate who applies these philosophically similar principles across the board and is viable.

Although, I would like to make a point; the war on poverty is less about ending poverty and more about keeping the impoverished from becoming so desperate they turn on the rest of us, as well as keeping active a large portion of consumer demand for the the economic machine.

Willard says the guy bought the guns ILLEGALLY, even though everything was purchased LEGALLY. I think Mittens is out of touch with the reality of what happened. At the time the shooter bought the guns he was a normal law-abiding citizen. It wasn't until he shot someone that he became a criminal. Changing the law to make it illegal to purchase specific types of guns might have slowed him down, but I doubt it given the bombs he was also making (using legal products).

Oh, I know! Based on Spanky's logic on handgun regulation versus the "ignoring of the law" effect, we can get rid of ALL lawbreakers!

Since murder is a crime and yet it's going to happen how about we drop all murder laws . . . and drug possession laws . . . and money laundering laws . . . and voter suppression laws . . . let's get rid of spousal abuse laws . . . let's get rid of usury laws . . . heck, let's get rid of all of them.

At least then we will be in the NRA vision of the perfect world.

Perfect Matthew, thank you for perfectly noting the typical libbie hysteria.

Sailcat - what was the 'weapon' used in the Oklahoma bombing?

Sailcat - what is the difference between an AR-15 and a Ruger mini-14?

See, that you don't know or understand makes it kinda hard to discuss. A .223, is a .223, regardless of what launches it.

But try to respond the the fertilizer issue, k?

BONES- Full auto weapons are not illegal to own- they are illegal if you don't pay the $200 a year tax on them, but you can buy them. Just pay the tax!

Patsy- I'll bet the British would have loved gun control back in the day, don't you? As a matter of fact, they tried to confiscate the colonists long guns and muskets in 1772, and we told them to take a hike. Good thing we didn't give them up, or we'd be Lower Canada! Read some history- get an education.

Additional gun laws eh? I can see this scenario playing itself out in court:

Judge: Mr. Foreman has the jury reached a verdict?

Foreman: Yes your honor we have.

Judge: Mr. Smith will you please rise. Please read the verdict Mr. Foreman

Foreman: We the jury find Mr. Smith guilty of murder in the first degree for the shooting death of the victim.

Judge: Mr. Smith, according to the laws of this state, First degree murder carries with it a mandatory sentence of death. And since you broke the gun laws I sentence you to an additional 6 months.

You guys are so right! Laws, rules, regulations are pointless and never work let's get rid of them all...

"Sailcat - what is the difference between an AR-15 and a Ruger mini-14?"

Functionally, none. They are both tactical weapons. Ban 'em both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RugerMini30-003.jpg

Logic is logic. If you claim that the effect of a law is neglible and unenforceable and should therefore be gotten rid of, then the test of that statement is to apply it in different situations to determine if your statement is consistent and applicable.

Your statement "Which is why all these calls for more regulations are just silly" fails the logic test.

Just now saw your response, Spanky. You missed a salient point, however- Axelrod insists that Obama did not AUTHORIZE the leaks. You know, cause, they just so happened to portray him as a "manly man".

If the Pakistani doctor who helped identify bin Laden is in jail now for treason, who cares? Not Obama.

If most of Seal Team Six was killed just after the raid, who cares? Not Obama.

If it is revealed that he has the final say on the "kill list"- well, it's a coincidence!

If the double agent embedded in the terrorist cell that was perfecting another underwear bomb is outed and has to be removed- leaving us and the Brits with no "eyes and ears"- well, too bad- Obama has an election to win!

Oh, wait a minute- are we actually supposed to believe Axelrod? Okay. I will- on the same day that I believe that making murder and mayhem illegal prevents the same from occurring.

I have no problem with guns, I actually support it. However, I have problem with assault rifle and high scope sniper rifle.

When are you going to use a 100+ per mins per round assault rifle or sniper? I can only think of one thing, when you want some heavy plan involve attack on a specific target. It doesn't sound like self-defense to me.

Screw the guns. Ban people. If there's no one to fire the weapon, no need to outlaw it.

It doesn't sound like self-defense to me.

It is if you live with paranoid fear that the elected government is out to imprison you.

That should guarantee Mitt a big contribution to his campaign from the N?R A. The National Right to kill Association!

So Sailcat - riddle me why the Ruger 14 was not part of the assault weapons ban?

Oh and tactical/assault - what's the diff, my man?

Hot lead coming out. Tactically assaulting.

And again, I defer to ICE -T. I mean Coco is booty-licious, but he nailed the whole 2nd Amned thing, no?

Romney makes the same kind of criticism about sensible gun laws as does the NRA .... that if a proposal such as making assault weapons and large capacity clips less available or makes background checks more effective is not perfect, then it is not worth pursuing. Of course "bad things" will still happen even if we enact reasonable gun legislation, but it would be good if we could, as a nation, take some steps to reduce the number of those "bad things."

Home ownership of assault weapons is unnecessary.

Large arsenals of weapons are unnecessary.

Longer waiting periods while effective background checks are conducted are reasonable.

Incredibly weak gun laws such as those in Arizona which allow people to buy a dozen or more assault weapons every day and not ever account for the disposition of those guns are absurd.

Requiring significant training prior to issuance of a concealed carry permit is reasonable.

We can make the country safer while retaining Second Amendment rights, but the NRA is not likely to cooperate in that objective.

NoJO - they are hosed on this.

Poor left got all irate over Plame, not gets this little nugget shove down their throat.

Priceless.

Spanky you do not get it, as most of those saying laws do not stop criminals. It has nothing to do with stopping criminals from obtaining guns illegally. It has to do with stopping them from obtaining guns legally.

Criminals obtaining things illegally is the status quo. Having them obtaining things legally means there is something wrong with whatever system is regulating that object.'

This is besides the fact that no civilian needs a 100 round drum and or any other after-market enhancements on weapons. Your right to bear arms is not going to protect you from an enemy tank. It will not protect you from enemy soldiers even if they wear body armor like this freak did.

Unless we are allowed to own armaments on the same level as our Government/possible enemy armies then the right to bear arms in ineffective against preventing invasion (this was the true purpose of the second amendment) or abusive Government.

For protecting yourself from the every day freaks like Holmes but who are stupider, simple hand guns and shot guns are all that are required.

Why didn't Brian Williams or any other reporter ask Romney about the voters suppression laws to try to rig election in his favor? 758,000 voters in Pennsylvania now do not have the proper ID to vote. The state of Penn. said, they admit, there is no voter fraud!

VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS TARGET ELDERLY,THE YOUNG VOTERS, AND THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS.

Republicon leaders stated years ago That they don't want everybody to vote. The less the turn out is, the greater chance repubs have of winning. ALEC is an organization of leaders of corporations that meet with republican politicians to put together laws that they can get repubs to pass favoring corporations and the rich Republicans. Voter suppression laws were created in the ALEC group and passed out to republicans to get passed in every state. WHY?

These voter suppression laws target the eledely, the young in colleges etc, and the poor. WHY?

1.Repubs are trying to privatize Social Security and Medicare and the Post Office for big profits. Elderly have been protecting these great programs and voting to protect these programs with their votes. Repubs don't want elderly to vote.

2. Repubs don't want the young to vote because most of them vote democratic party. When going to school college people will have to drive to great distance IF they have a car and many don't have drivers license etc.

3. Repubs don't want the poor to vote as repubs Ryan plan cuts food stamps and social programs that help middle class and poor. Ryan plan gives more bigger tax breaks to Romney rich and makes middle class and poor pay for them.

Karl Rove set the plan in motion saying if he can get rid of 1% in each of all states of these voting people, the vote will swing for republicons.

THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD. Voter suppression laws do not solve any voting problems. Voter suppression law on ballot in MN would stop soldiers overseas from voting as bill requires id to be present when vote is actually accepted and counted. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BE SPENT TO FIX NOTHING EXCEPT STOPPING MILLIONS FROM VOTING.

Vote Obama/Biden 2012 Don't let republicons take away you right to vote.

Stricter gun laws will not prevent violent crimes. Did you hear about the 19 people in Toronto Canada who were shot? Canada’s gun law prohibit the transporting of a handgun without permission from the government first, so when you leave your house you make a call to them and when you arrive you call them and when you leave to return home you call them. Not sure but I don’t think stricter gun laws can be handed out without causing an uprising. If you even place restricting on certain gun types all you are doing is enabling illegal gun trafficking and let’s face it, if our current government is already smuggling guns illegally into the hands of murderers how affective will that law be? I am for some gun laws and registering guns that are not your typical hunting rifle or hand gun but to force everyone to subject themselves to ridiculous rules is not going to happen. I think that people who have committed violent crimes or who have committed a crime with a gun should lose the right to bear arms, with the exception of a water gun. Romney hit the nail on the head, legislation will never change the way guns are used what we need is a change of heart. The sad thing is it is a small percentage of people who have a gun who use them criminally that will never change even with stricter gun laws, the only people who will be affected by stricter gun laws are the law abiding ones. On another note, how many people are killed by drunk drivers each year? Yet there are laws against that and people still seem to find a way to get behind the wheel and drive drunk….

Romney talks alot, but says nothing in this interview. Another waste of time !

"Oh and tactical/assault - what's the diff, my man?"

No diff at all. Ban 'em all. The mini 14 was ostensibly a hunting version of an assault weapon. Unfortunately, mods have been devised to return it to its roots as an assault rifle. Therefore, ban it.

As I said earlier, keep your 30-30 and your trusty 30.06. Assault weapons of all types should be banned.

Gun Laws Would Prevent Shooting Sprees?

Please, Tell me more about how criminals follow laws.

This guy wasn't a criminal until he did what he did. So what about that? Don't confuse career criminals with a random acts of extreme lunacy. And if you think killing him quickly will deter anyone from doing it again, you may need to reconsider. I think we've ran out of both fingers and toes to count how many shooting sprees there have been since Columbine. I'm just saying. I don't have the answer either. Being a gun owner myself, I don't like to see firearms banned or restricted to law abiding citizens who wish to have them. I'm confused as to why someone would need military assault rifles, tear gas or body armor and several thousands of rounds of ammunition. I don't live in fear of a government take over. We've had nearly 240 years of the same with the exception of the Civil War. I'm confident that it will be around for a long time.

So why can't we limit the number of clips/bullets sales? Just asking. And curious.

Mitt is a worthless member of a religious cult and a piece of !!!!!!!! He will do and say anything that will get him millions from the gun lobby and the NRA. National Right to kill Association.

Good idea, phine. Years ago, there was a ban on high capacity magazines of the sort the shooter's AR-15 was equipped with, but the ban inexplicably expired in 2004. It should be reinstated permanently.

Yo, Romney, I'm with you. Yessiree, baby.

Let's do away with laws against murder and speeding, since people still murder and speed.

In fact, since all laws get broken at some time or other, let's just do away with all laws and regulations, and see how long capitalism lasts.

Paraphrasing Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men, in places deep in your heart you depend on laws, rules and regulations just to keep your business secure when go home, and safe for customers when you're on the job. In ways you don't want to talk about, you like having rules that benefit you.

Rejecting a law on account of it won't stop all bad things is the height of hipocricy from a man whose entire wealth is securely protected by the very government he does not want protecting others.

AR15's may be fun to shot paper with and I have no problem with colecters owning them but a 100 round clip is just plan stupped. I would go broke. I go through to much ammo with a ten round clip.

We do need to look at the gun laws we have on the books and start enforcing them.

On another note, how many people are killed by drunk drivers each year? Yet there are laws against that and people still seem to find a way to get behind the wheel and drive drunk…

Brad, don't compare automobiles to firearms. A car is a mode of transportation. Very necessary for nearly all of us. A gun is a weapon in which the intent is to kill or disable the intended target. And I don't know where you're from, but where I live, drunk driving is a very serious crime with devastating results if said offender is convicted. Trust me, I've known quite a few people who've been caught behind the wheel over the limit. You don't just get a slap on the wrist for it.

Why don't we outlaw driving an automobile on the highway while intoxicated? I think that kills several thousand innocent people every year. Say what? It's already against the law? Then why do people still do it?

Well lets take it a step further and outlaw alcohol. That's already been tried in the 20's and didn't work? Dang.

Well lets outlaw automobiles...........

Maybe, if we can start installing guns in utero, everybody can always be ready to blow everyone away at all times.

That should thrill the Right Wing.

Mitt Flip Flop Romney, the one time governor of Mass. Has
supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.

He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package; His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national
Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped Mr. Flop has taken a hard slide to the right pandering to the tea party.

Mitt Flip-Flop Romney, a wish-washy, flip flopping politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.

Hey Mittens when your were Governor of MA. YOU SUPPORTED GUN CONTROL! MITTENS SUPPORTED IT! LOOKS LIKE FLIP FLOP IS FLOPPING AGAIN!

How ironic, I just watched a commercial before the video clip of Romney, it was an Olympian saying "you cant buy your way to the Olympics". Romney's wifes HORSE is in the Olympics! So she's there "representing our country", how is that not buying your way into the Olympics? Off topic I know, but at least I'm not lashing hate at libtards and teapublicans etc etc.

Rob, your fatuous argument fails when you examine the numbers. Well over twenty years ago laws were enacted that lowered the threshold of blood alcohol that would qualify a person as a drunk driver. At the same time, penalties were greatly increased making a drunk driving conviction a genuine burden. Consequently, deaths attributed to drunk drivers plummeted. Check the stats.

But you make an excellent case for raising the penalties for improper handling, ownership, and secure storage of firearms. Good idea.

Didn't the 100 round clip jam and he had to use a different gun? It is my understanding that this particular clip jams quite frequently. I'm just asking.

Didn't Australia ban guns (or something like it) and suddenly robberies went sky high?

Thank you for standing your ground, soon to be President Romney!!

And now a word from the annoying Feisty Ginger with compliments from her village idiots!!!

I routinely buy a large amount of rounds when the gun show comes around and I can get cheap ammo. I like to have at least 5000 rounds of 9mm, 1k of 5.56, and an assortment of .44, .22 and of course shot gun shells.

I also like to play with large clips while sooting stuff in the desert. Its fun and totally legal.

Now, pay attention and know that the 100 round drum FAILED, like high capacity clips almost always do.

The little prick killed those people with his shot gun and Glock.

Bottom line, as with Giffords shooting, a skilled gunman with two 10 round clips would be just as effective as some monkey with a AR and Big clip. And no jams.

SailCat, and everyone else - the Oklahoma guy used FERTILIZER kill all those people.

Alright you all, Ms. Spanky is home, kids are gone, and we are headed out to some cocktails and dinner. Tomorrow I'm off to Havasu.

You all have a great weekend, I know I will. :)

Sailcat-2064101....You are 100% correct, but now you have stirred up all the people with other inadequacies who think that an automatic weapon makes them manly. They can go join the Army or Marines, but never do, they just have orgasms over guns.

Personally, I like the comparison between automobiles and firearms. To operate a motor vehicle, one has to pass stringent tests that ensures a person knows how to operate it as well as have a comprehensive understanding of the local and state laws that concern automobiles and their operation. Furthermore, when drivers licenses expire, the individual frequently is re-tested to ensure he or she is still informed of the current laws and rules concerning motor vehicle operation. The same strict licensing procedure should be applied to gun owners, as well. As a prerequisite to owning a weapon, a person should go through comprehensive training courses and then they should undergo a difficult testing process to ensure the individual is knowledgeable about the handling, operation, and secure storage of their weapons as well as having a full understanding of local, state, and federal firearms laws. Once the person is licensed, they should be re-tested on a regular basis to make sure the person remains educated on the proper rules and regulations surrounding gun ownership and operation. It just makes sense.

[Spanky you do not get it, as most of those saying laws do not stop criminals. It has nothing to do with stopping criminals from obtaining guns illegally. It has to do with stopping them from obtaining guns legally.]

Changing the subject changes the narrative...something Spanky THINKS he excels at. A legend in his own mind, he is.

But as a "Conservative" (this week, anyway), Spanky is hard-wired to bull@!$%# his way through life, whereas the rest of society knows Conservatism is actually a mental illness, and knows the difference between reality and fantasy, something Spanky simply cannot achieve, no matter how hard he tries.

He just, well...changes the subject to change the narritive.

One thing you will notice, however, is that defending Romney is eerily absent from his daily "talking points".

I wonder why...could it be he knows Romney is toxic, and stands little chance of seeing the inside of the White House?

Yeah, I'll go with that...

"SailCat, and everyone else - the Oklahoma guy used FERTILIZER kill all those people."

This is where your arguments goes completely to pieces, Spanky. Over 30,000 people die as a consequence of gun violence in this country every year. Deaths from the bomb that was detonated by the white supremacist Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma, while tragic, killed 167 persons. There can be no rational comparison between the damage done by firearms every year and bombs containing fertilizer. However, one important result coming from this bombing is that access to large amounts of ammonium nitrate has been subject to greater regulation and it is more closely monitored.

Fail, Spanky.

I wonder what caliber Jesus uses.

In the areas where they have the most regulations, they also have the most gun homicides. Odd, right?

Not odd at all. Where do you think gets the biggest push for gun control regulations? It isn't places with no gun violence, it is the places suffering from excessive gun violence.

Gun control regulations doesn't cause gun violence, it's gun violence that causes gun control regulations.

And so we can sometimes hope that just changing the law will make all bad things go away. It won't.

Typical republican response.

JOBS Bill?

Won't work.

ACA?

Won't work.

Gun Control?

Won't work.

How the freak do you know it won't work if you won't even try? Got a Psychic Friend on the line?

I actually agree with Romney....unfortunately, it's the 2002 version. You know...the one that doesn't think that assault rifles have any business being in the hands of regular citizens.

Lets outlaw the Common Cold. After all it kills over 40,000 Americans each year and it is preventable.

I do believe that if the gun nuts would just compromise a bit, they wouldn't have such a harsh reaction from anti-gun people. Seriously...is there really any reason for anyone to be able to purchase an assault rifle? Can one of you pro-gun enthusiasts please answer that? I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Regardless of this most recent case, what purpose are these weapons for?

"...like the AR-15 assault rifle used in the Colorado shooting..."

NBC said it and Sailcat repeats it even though it isn't true. That gun never left his car and none of you antis deserve a rational debate until you speak without ambiguity.

Never Stop Asking Questions

Maybe, if we can start installing guns in utero, everybody can always be ready to blow everyone away at all times.

That should thrill the Right Wing.

Ahha, I see what you tried to do. Since the left wing wants to have abortion clinics in every walmart there wouldn't be anyone born with firearms and guns would vanish after a few years. Well played NSAQ, well played indeed.

@Sailcat-2064101 #1.36

"Oh and tactical/assault - what's the diff, my man?"

No diff at all. Ban 'em all. The mini 14 was ostensibly a hunting version of an assault weapon. Unfortunately, mods have been devised to return it to its roots as an assault rifle. Therefore, ban it.

As I said earlier, keep your 30-30 and your trusty 30.06. Assault weapons of all types should be banned.

Does this mean you approve of me keeping my Remington Model 740/7400 30-06? Or how about my AR15 chamber for .243 WSSM? It is a hunting rifle. Or the 50 Cal. Beowolf upper, I use for controlling feral hogs, you know, the ones the Spanish released here, after THEY conquered the American Indian.

@ #1.53 "Licensing Gun owners"

So when do we get to start licensing "Journalist"? After all the pen is mightier that the sword. (I use quotes on journalists to show that I do not believe we have real journalist anymore) If it were up to me, I would require all so called journalists to pass a test on fair and balanced reporting. They could then be brought before a review board, for failing to report an honest and complete story. And Jailed if need be. Or would that violate the 1st amendment?

@ all you liberals

LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU "DOPE SMOKIN' HIPPY" LIBERALS.

AN "ASSAULT RIFLE" IS BY DEFINITION "BASED ON A CARTRIDGE OF MEDIUM POWER, (more than a pistol, less than a rifle) AND IS CAPABLE OF AUTOMATIC FIRE.

THE AR15 THIS GUY USED IS NOT AN ASSAULT RIFLE, IT IS NOT CAPABLE OF AUTOMATIC FIRE, IT IS SEMI-AUTOMATIC ONLY!!!. IT IS WHAT IS CALLED AN "assault style" RIFLE simply because it LOOKS like one, just like an actor playing a Doctor on TV. It looks and sound like one, but I would want it (the actor that is) performing surgery on me. "Assault weapon" is a purely political term and has no basis in reality, other than a liberals mind. go look it up in Wikipedia.

According to the Constitution, and our founding fathers, I have the right to own(if I can afford it) anything in the Military's arsenal (ARMS) up to and in including Atomic weapons. (granted the last is a bit extreme). They knew, that at some point in time the government would become corrupt, and the people would have to rise up and defeat that corruption. How can one do that if one is not armed as well as one's oppressor? the courts? ha, ha. Oh, and that can't happen here, ask a German Jew about, this is the modern age, a democracy, "That CAN'T happen here?!!" And I am not saying it will happen in my life time, and it won't if I have anything to do with it.

I know someone here is going to try and refute this, please don't. It will only serve to show the true ignorance and failed understanding the left has of this country and it founding. However, if you can answer two questions, I may listen to your argument. "What is the number 1, single most important occupation in our society today?" and "Why?" (perhaps, then, I may not think you are as stupid as you appear)

@ all you conservatives

You can talk until you are blue in face to these people, but this is their religion. And they are too ignorant, You could sooner convince a Muslim to eat bacon. They believe, as truly as you believe in Jesus, that the "Authorities" in government know best how to share the wealth of a nation. You will never convince them that their views will inevitably end in totalitarianism.

"That gun never left his car"

Wrong. He used it in the theater until it jammed. You need to get your head out of its dark, smelly holster and use it for thinking rather than as an ornament for the backside of your trousers.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/national/source-suspected-shooter-james-holmes-ar15-jammed-during-aurora-the-dark-knight-rises-shooting

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-find-batman-poster-suspect-apartment-obama-flies-comfort-grieving-town-article-1.1119616

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/22/a-look-at-the-aurora-shooter-s-guns-including-the-ar-15.html

T.S.A. molesters with a shiny lil badge posted at every theater in the united states if your dumb enough to let this government have it's way with it.

"AN "ASSAULT RIFLE" IS BY DEFINITION "BASED ON A CARTRIDGE OF MEDIUM POWER, (more than a pistol, less than a rifle) AND IS CAPABLE OF AUTOMATIC FIRE."

According to Wikipedia, "Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies." That means the semi-automatic versions readily available to idiots like you in sporting goods establishments and retail armories are slightly modded to make them semi-automatic. They serve no useful function for civilians except to prop up your highly questionable masculinity. Additionally, mods are widely available to return them to their previous full-auto condition, which is a disturbing thought. YouTube abounds with film clips of rednecks who have modded their AR-15s and other assault weapons to make them fully automatic.

Again, please let me point out that the Second Amendment does not exist merely to justify the pathetic fantasies of immature wannabe Rambos like you.

Fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

To all those that keep calling all guns a weapon...

WRONG! A gun is a firearm. Only when used with intent to harm does it become a weapon. I've never used ANY of my firearms as weapons. I don't hunt ( Grocery store right down the street )and personally don't consider hunting a sport..and will not till the deer can shoot back.

NRA member..NRA Range Safety Officer. Concealed Carry Permit.

And to the person earlier that said unless we all have military grade weapons to defend ourselves the second amendment is useless...and we ( as a people ) would not be able to defend ourselves.

Tell ya what slick..Tell that to the Afghanistanies against the Russians. Don't try telling any of us US firearm owners because we know better.

A fork can be a weapon.

A rock

A pencil...etc...

When firearms come to life by themselves and go on shooting rampages I will blame the firearms. Until then I will blame the one pulling the trigger.

The guy who just infected over 20 people with hepatitis C..do you blame him or the syringes he used. Take your time. Think it through.....

"To all those that keep calling all guns a weapon...WRONG!"

Your childish objections are deserving of nothing but contempt. Firearms are designed to kill. They were originally invented to kill. These days some are only slightly modified to hone the shooter's marksmanship, but the ultimate purpose of firearms are, in one form or another, to kill. To compare a Glock .40 to a fork is so preposterous it is laughable.

The very first sentence in Wikipeida's entry on Firearm is as follows: "A firearm is a weapon that launches one or more projectile(s) at high velocity through confined burning of a propellant."

Mirriam-Webster defines firearm as, "A weapon from which shot is fired by gunpowder."

Fail, big time.

Sailcat..what is childish and laughable is you. Period.

Wikipedia as a source? Really? Whom is Wikipedia written by? Anyone that wants to! And to include idiots like you obviously.

And common sense ( I know a stretch for you ) would dictate that MW got it wrong.

Definition of WEAPON

1
: something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy

Mirriam-Webster

Again..I'll go slow because otherwise it is too difficult for you to comprehend.
NONE of my firearms are weapons. Zero. Nada. Goose Egg. Could they be used as one? Yes..just like the fork, rock, pencil. But UNTIL such a time they are NOT weapons.

Take a firearms safety class and maybe it will release some of that air built up in your head. Of coarse that would mean you would be away from your PC and not able to make so many asinine posts...but I'll accept that loss.

And my .22 competition rifle was designed for killing? Really?

I have morons like you walk into my office each week and want to tell me their versions of the world according to garp and the law.

Fail big time? what are you , like 4?

you have all been divided... and furthermore, you have all been conquered. The WWE is not real. And your ubersophisticated disection of a perpetrated goatf**k does not keep your eternal topic from being a Kansas City Shuffle. Next month they'll have you on abortion. Then the war. Then illegals. They only give you the eternal debates so all of you could snowball it nowhere. some of you are very intelligent, and your comments I enjoyed. Spanky is the best. But give your natural intelligence a wider spectrum to look at things. More resources to work with, per se. And then you'll see a picture bigger than "bazookas vs nunchuks". Heavens, you may even zoom out to come to understand your own nature and balance and what the circus owners have done with it (like calcified your pineal glands, but who cares about that). You're being kept from reaching your potential, by a launchpad shot. A shift is taking place. Pay attention to the earth, it speaks to you. A house of cards doesn't stop being a house of cards simply because it's getting big. Control of opinion is a fact. Divide and conquer is a fact. Captive religion is a fact. Drugs are the government's black money, and the DEA the pimp. the monetary system is a vacuum cleaner shaped like a pyramid. weapons exist so people can kill each other - because in hunting that should be cheating regardless how many of you fools can justify shooting a bear from where he can't see you. Try your bare hands or at most a spear, and then you'll see the beautiful design nature has for population control. You are not a democrat. You are not a republican. You are a human being. The people of whom you speak for and against do not care about your petty existence. Unfortunately, the economy is no longer a system that intends to ECONOMIZE... and it happens to have taken over the government. You speak of guns, they speak of revenue. You speak of illegals, they speak of revenue. You speak of bank frauds, they speak of revenue, you speak of a darkly corrupt pharmaceutical industry, they speak of revenue. Do we really want profits at the expense of human value???? Is it THAT important to accumulate crap? Maybe some of you should go find yourselves before telling others anything about some non-topic. So planned obsolescence and a shark walk into a bar in wall street...

Not invading another country is a big change from the previous administration.

But I don't happen to believe that America needs new gun laws. A lot of what this young man did was clearly against the law. But the fact that it was against the law did not prevent it from happening.

But it would be a goddamn start to bringing back civility in this nation! The rest of the world thinks the U.S. is crazy!

Spanky- Comment collapsed by the community

Covered - murder is already illegal and yet...oddly enough there still is a problem with folks break the law. Huh - if people are just going to ignore the law... Hey maybe the government should conduct a war on guns. More laws, more government - always the answer. You know cause they totally rock at that kind of thing.The war son poverty and drugs are both going so very well.

One of you most lame and completely illogical series of posts. Okay, we get it that you have fun with your guns and that maybe this @!$%# would have found a way to kill all these people anyway and all.

Romney is just a chicken @!$%# that's afraid of any and all right wing lobbies that even act like they'll turn their heads toward him.

Yep, it sure is a blast shootin' my bazooka and throwing a few grenades over the weekend. Hell, I buy dozens or even hundreds at a time!... nothing unusual going on here. And outlawing bazookas and RPGs and hand granades from personal purchase won't solve anything, will it?

Do you see how f@#king foolish this argument is?

Sticking with standard clips won't ruin your stupid weekend. Outlawing assault weapons will not ruin your f@#king day... since this is about having fun and all. Cause it certainly isn't about self defense or some amendment you cite or anything of reason.

Are we getting through?... Anybody home?

Romney on NBC: Changing gun laws won't 'make all bad things go away'??

Yeah, yeah, what else would you expect from Mitt the Nutty Rightwing Ass (NRA)?

In the state of PA you can not legally purchase a fully automatic gun, rifle. People still get shot with them, so apparently the people that own them are getting them somewhere. Therefore; I really don't think changing gun laws will make much of a difference. If someone wants to be a criminal they will, regardless of the laws. I own lots of guns and it actually makes me feel safer that I have them in case someone does try to rob or terrorize my family. I have a way to fight back against there guns.

This is to inpennsylvania. It is common knowledge that the only ones that are legally able to purchase and use fully automatic guns are licensed and controlled FFL licenses. The ones that get out are 99.9% of the time are either modified semi automatic or are from ones that were stolen.

Romney hit the nail on the head when he stated you need to change the hearts and mind of the public.

to concerned veteran

I know, The point I am trying to make is no matter what they do its still gonna happen. People will still get illegal guns by steeling, blackmarkets, and other criminals. Yet some people still seem to think new gun laws will help. It won't. I completely agree with you Romney did hit the nail in the head when he said you need to change the hearts and minds of the public.

think you are safer if you ban guns , how did that work in mexico? think you dont need high capacity magazines , gang members come in gangs , watch this graphic video if you can stomach it--

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/03/narco-execution-videos-and-its-effects.html

Jeff N.; Wikipedia is written by far more knowledgeable...and clearly more mature...people than yourself. Your hysterical and incoherent comments only serve to illustrate your own juvenile tendencies and nothing more. I certainly hope you don'e a weapon because you lack the good judgement and are far too irresponsible to be trusted with one.

In other words, you are a poster child for gun control.

Fail.

hey spanky - you asked sailcat about a mini-14 then he post a link about a mini-30 not the same gun looks the same but the ammo is different , wikipedia is far more knowledgeable than the people that use it

Hey Hillbilly! From the Wikipedia article, "Current production Mini Thirtys are similar to Mini-14's except for caliber. "

In other words, there is no functional difference between them except for the ammo they use.

You can go back to your pork rinds and malt liquor now.

i know this because i own both, my post told you the difference - just pointing out you didn't cause you had to look it up, and still got it wrong

Oh, hillbilly. Your baseless assumptions led you to make yet another asinine statement and now you have to eat your words. All of the dancing in the world will not let you dodge the fact you were wrong again. How do those words taste, by the way? Not good? Then think next time before you make idiotic posts.

how did you prove me wrong when i told you the answer-- your just another troll from san fran like nancy ---different ammo is the same as different caliber -i done with you troll because you are to narrow minded to see past your nose and i have to go to work-- get a job sailcat

"-i done with you troll"

Looks like you're done with the English language, too. You don't have to go away mad, hillbilly. You simply need to acquire some critical thinking skills and a good text book on grammar and spelling. It's bad enough that your insane ravings make you look completely deranged, but your poor language skills make you appear just plain stupid, as well.

Fail.

Sailcat-2064101

@ Sailcat-2064101 #1.68

"AN "ASSAULT RIFLE" IS BY DEFINITION "BASED ON A CARTRIDGE OF MEDIUM POWER, (more than a pistol, less than a rifle) AND IS CAPABLE OF AUTOMATIC FIRE."

According to Wikipedia, "Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies." That means the semi-automatic versions readily available to idiots like you in sporting goods establishments and retail armories are slightly modded to make them semi-automatic. They serve no useful function for civilians except to prop up your highly questionable masculinity. Additionally, mods are widely available to return them to their previous full-auto condition, which is a disturbing thought. YouTube abounds with film clips of rednecks who have modded their AR-15s and other assault weapons to make them fully automatic.

Again, please let me point out that the Second Amendment does not exist merely to justify the pathetic fantasies of immature wannabe Rambos like you.

Fail.

I didn't base my definition on Wikipedia, I knew it long before the internet was available to civilians. And I knew the internet existed long before Al Gore invented it. They used to have these things called books, and they had to go through a fairly rigorous vetting process before they were published. You should try reading one once in a while.(Just cause I call my self a Dumb Farm Boy don't mean I am still a farmer) (DUH) just means I wasn't smart enough to stay on the farm and out of the city, which is full of people who suffer from the ID ten T syndrome. Much like your self SailCat. I have forgotten more than you will ever know. And you didn't disprove my definition of "Assault Rifle".

oo, Fail.

And they are more than "slightly modded to make them semi-automatic", if you understood anything about firearms you would know that it is very difficult to convert a semi auto to fire reliably in full auto.

oo, Fail

"They serve no useful function for civilians except..." Who are you to tell me, what serves a useful purpose? Oh that's right you are an Elitist Lefty who knows what is best for me, just like all the other Aristocracy, you were born knowing what is best for the poor surfs and waifs. And What useful purpose does marijuana serve to "civilians", I mean other than real medical uses?

oo, Fail

"YouTube abounds with film clips of rednecks who have modded their AR-15s and other assault weapons to make them fully automatic." And you didn't call the ATF on these felons? It is illegal, a felony, to manufacture an automatic weapon. At least without government supervision. ;-)

oo, Fail

"Second Amendment does not exist merely to justify the pathetic fantasies..." That is the only thing that you said that has any truth at all in it. You are absolutely correct, IT EXISTS TO REMIND MY GOVERNMENT, THAT WE THE PEOPLE ARE INDEED THE ONES IN CHARGE.

OOO FAIL!!!

Jeff N.- and Hillbilly Genius (love the avatar btw) See, I told you some dope smokin hippy would try refute my argument. Sailbat, it takes more than just typing "Fail" to disprove an argument. You also failed to answer several questions.
"Would it be OK license and regulate true Journalist?" I realize that reporters and commentators, such as Chris Mathews, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz and I'll even give you O'Rielly and Rush, would be exempt because none of them do anything that is not ratings related and they only espouse opinion, not based in fact or the real world. (One should notice that Fox still has higher viewership than the all the others combined, hmmm)

Does this mean you approve of me keeping my Remington Model 740/7400 30-06? Or how about my AR15 chamber for .243 WSSM? It is a hunting rifle. Or the 50 Cal. Beowolf upper, I use for controlling feral hogs, you know, the ones the Spanish released here, after THEY conquered the American Indian.

Do you deny that my AR15, with a .243 WSSM barrel is a hunting rifle? Do you have any idea at all of what I am talking about? And if you don't fully understand the intricacies of firearm production, how can you determine what is useful and what is not?

"What is the number 1, single most important occupation in our society today?" and "Why?"

#1.74

So, in your mind,punishing Millions of law abiding citizens for the lawless behavior of some, is a sign of a " mature " society?

I would have thought that a " mature " society would be cohesive, and hence know that the Law Enforcement system is poart of IT, not some out side force acting on them, and IMHO I believe that is what the Founding Father thought as well, it is only when we have a " demarcation " where the Citizens and those that " Rule over them " do not have a common ground, that we have events as we have seen and it seems to me IMHO that they are on the increase because of that!

And to everyone here, How about we ban funding for Grad Students?

This guy just got a $26,000 grant for R&D on some neuro-something (I was driving, heard it on the radio and didn't get the whole report.)

So, if this guy was just a poor college kid, without the government financing, this rampage would have never happened.

Without knowing what type of Tactical gear/body Armor the guy had, I am guessing that he between $5,000 and $6,000 on guns and ammo.

Can't spend that kind of money, if your a poor college kid. ;-)

And to everyone here,

If you go back in history, to 1900, it is not until you get to '20s that stories start to appear about mass shootings, (that are not related to Indian issues) and these are gang-land related. (even though I am sure there may have been a few I could find no reports.

In the '20s and '30s there were numerous mass killings, again generally limited to the criminal elements, Bonnie and Clyde, Al Capone and the like. Not your run of the mill types like this one.

Things pretty well flat line during the 2nd WW, and it is not until 1955 there the stories start reappearing and only in 1955.

I would say beginning in 1966, with the sniper incident @ UT Austin there has been a steady increase in reports of mass shootings and killing.

It was the beginning of LBJ's Great Society, equality for everybody. The war on Poverty.

I know most of the conservatives get it, but I going to have to spell it out for you liberals. Decades of irresponsible behavior, that is decades of behavior where there are no consequences, no responsibility, no required effort, have caused this.

No fault divorce, don't like the fact you picked a loser to marry, get a divorce, no body's fault...

Felt like being a slut, no worries get an abortion, or hell, the government will pay you to raise the kid.

Or better, just go and get pregnant to get the check or two or three or four with as many different fathers.

ETC. ad infinitum

But decades of liberal ideology correspond directly to the increase in violence in this country. How do you explain it?

And you say we conservative haven't a clue? DUH.

Again, please let me point out that the Second Amendment does not exist merely to justify the pathetic fantasies of immature wannabe Rambos like you.

No, here is why the 2nd amendment exists:

To paraphrase Trenchard (a follower of Locke who was also much admired by the Founding Fathers), an armed people, like a strong man carrying a sword, will find the sword grows rusty in its sheath because it will never have to be drawn. Thus James Madison, author of the Second Amendment, tells us that tyranny would not occur here because of "the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation."

There are many, many other examples of this among the writings of the founders of this nation. An armed populace was seen as the last resort against a tyrannical government.

@ sailcat - sir you are a perfect example of a typical liberal that when presented with facts resorts to name calling or belittling people like you did hillbilly and jeff ,but the second amendment protects the first and you really show your maturity .on final thought i retract the sir because you neither earned it or deserve it

That's a mighty whiny post, Whiskey. Does your mom know you're on the computer?

Aw, what's the matter Feisty - slow on the draw?

Shoot, I'm sitting on the couch drinking a 40, watching Al.

Step it up old gal.

Bad things to most people also equals the rich in this country who don't invest in our nation and its citizens. People like you Romney. For all the money Romney brags about, what has he done other than give to the Mormon Church, who are beyond rich themselves, and put his money overseas?

Has Romney donated any of his money to fix bridges, schools, roads? Has he donated any money to the schools in our country, which because of budgets, teachers have to use their own money to buy school supplies. Has Romney helped them at all?

Has he saved any parks or done anything to ease the pain of the working class to have to bear the brunt of what bad people (the wealthy) are doing in this country? No. He's too fixated on keeping his money hidden all over the world.

Examiner.com, Robert Bowen:

A new report released Sunday estimates that the United States Treasury loses $280 billion a year in tax revenue from wealthy Americans and companies keeping their money in off shore bank accounts in tax havens. The report estimated between $21 trillion and $32 trillion is held in these offshore accounts.

Romney hides his money so we have less money here in America.

____________

Evidently conservatives in our country don't like Cameron because he became fast friends with our president. But there is a reason why.

The Telegragh:

The USA's Republican Party’s shift to the Right, reflected by the rise of the Tea Party movement during the mid-term elections in 2010, has left it out of step with the Conservative Party (in England) on issues such as taxation, health care and rights for same-sex couples. Mr Cameron’s party is more in line with the Democrats in several areas.

While the Republican candidate (Romney) now emphasises his admiration of Britain, he has previously held it up as a post-imperial warning to those who would allow the US to decline. "England is just a small island," he wrote in his memoir 'No Apology'. "Its roads and houses are small. With few exceptions, it doesn't make things that people want to buy”.

(I hope the people of England are aware of what Romney wrote).

___________

Mitt's foreign policy insights are a freakin' disaster. He's two faced. And someone should tell his adviser that it is no longer called the Soviet Union.

And Mitt, the weapons used in Colorado were bought legally. Get your facts straight. For once in your life.

Pat - refresh my recollection - in '08 was Obama's foreign policy the Hope of the Change?

I love you libbies. Ireally, really do.

I Believe

I believe in the supreme worth of the individual and in his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe that every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty. I believe that the law was made for man and not man for the law; that government is the servant of the people and not their master.

I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living.

I believe that thrift is essential to well ordered living and that economy is a prime requisite of a sound financial structure, whether in government, business or personal affairs.

I believe that truth and justice are fundamental to an enduring social order.

I believe in the sacredness of a promise, that a man’s word should be as good as his bond; that character — not wealth or power or position — is of supreme worth.

I believe that the rendering of useful service is the common duty of mankind and that only in the purifying fire of sacrifice is the dross of selfishness consumed and the greatness of the human soul set free.

I believe in an all-wise and all-loving God, named by whatever name, and that the individual’s highest fulfillment, greatest happiness, and widest usefulness are to be found in living in harmony with His will.

John D. Rockefeller Jr.

Well said Fiesty! Looking forward to the Debates!

still waiting on those tax returns hear anything?

Obama/Biden 2012 the Thinking American's Choice!

Hey Feisty - just how many times you been banned/barred/slapped by the powers that be?

Oh well, thanks for thinking of me [and my junk].

Pat,

Romney hides his money so we have less money here in America.

Maybe I was raised differently, but if I told my dad that I was upset with our neighbor with the way they spend their money. I didn't like the way they would hide their money from us, so we have less. My dad would have smack me into tomorrow.

Lovie Howell III

Feisty, that's great! lol

When is Obama's movie about how he single handedly hunted down and killed Osama coming out?

Or did one of his handlers explain to him what the word treason means?

PAT- do tell us how many companies Obama has run, and how much money he's given to the poor.

Obama IS the 'thinking Americans choice"--- they are probably thinking about where the hope is that things are going to change. Keep hoping.

What gets me is that what with the massive increase in drone attacks, increased war tempo, Gitmo still open, payoff to Pakistan, people getting poorer, etc, .....all the stuff the libs reviled Bush for , when it comes to Obama, all one hears is SILENCE. Big disappointment , eh?

And the libs are always complaining about a double standard.......

Spanky- have fun, guy!

What do we know about Romney and his position on assault weapons?

Romney signs ban on assault weapons as Governor in 2004.

True to his own nature, the flip flop begins the next years when the NRA gets a hold of him. ROMNEY FLIP FLOPS AGAIN!!! How many more times can this clown flip flop? He has no memory of what he ever says, mental time traveling only works in his mind!

Ref below : Wall street Journal site 7-20-12 blog.wsj.com

Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney opposes all new gun control laws today, but that wasn’t always the case. In 2004, as governor, he signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. The law included other elements welcomed by gun-rights supporters, but Mr. Romney defended the assault weapons provision on its own merits.

“I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don’t believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal,” he said on Fox News in 2004.
The federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004. Today, Mr. Romney’s campaign Web site says no new laws are needed. “Like the majority of Americans, Mitt does not believe that the United States needs additional laws that restrict the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms,” the site says.

The issue is in the news again in the wake of the Colorado rampage that killed 12 people early Friday. One of the guns used by the killer was an AR-15 assault rifle, police said.

Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul said, “As he has repeatedly said, Gov. Romney believes that the best way to prevent gun violence is to vigorously enforce our laws.”

As the Journal reported last year, the change began in 2005. In May of that year, Mr. Romney declared a “Right to Bear Arms Day,” and the governor’s top aides began meeting almost monthly with the Gun Owners’ Action League. Mr. Romney also signed legislation cutting some red tape detested by gun owners in November 2005, and less than a year later he became a member of the National Rifle Association.

Theotus....you just explained why you behave the way you do. Well the damage is done....hope you and your dad get therapy.

Starsailing,

The damage is done, because you said so?

Ya sure, and I will go out tomorrow and hire a therapist.

Again with the presumptive "we" just like Ann's "you people"

“But I can tell you that we have a very special relationship between the United States and Great Britain," Romney said. "It goes back to our very beginnings, cultural … and historical. But I also believe the president understands that."

Who are the WE? As far as I know Mittens, you don't represent ANYONE at the moment. You're the presumptive nominee. Made me want to hurl the other day when he was speaking about the tragedy in Aurora "Ann and I stand with the President and First Lady. . . " GAH!

Conservative masturbation sure isn't pretty to watch.

Obama lost my vote when he flopped on gay marriage. Calling Mitt a flopper is the pot calling the kettle black.

Since this thread is less likely to get collapsed than @'s 1 & 3, I'll comment here.

To Mitt, I don't think laws against murder will stop all bad things from happening either, so let's just not pass laws to stop any bad thing from happening.

Just throw in the towel, and live in anarchy. But don't cry "There outta be a law!" afterwards - and buy gold.

Mitt Flip Flop Romney, the one time governor of Mass. Has
supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.

He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package; His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national
Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped Mr. Flop has taken a hard slide to the right pandering to the tea party.

Mitt Flip-Flop Romney, a wish-washy, flip flopping politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.

Hey Mittens when your were Governor of MA. YOU SUPPORTED GUN CONTROL! MITTENS SUPPORTED IT! LOOKS LIKE FLIP FLOP IS FLOPPING AGAIN!

So the government trying to limit the amount of guns, assault rifles, and ammo you can own is bad.

But the government placing a filter on your computer to stop all porn sites and make sure you never see the natural, naked human body, is good.

Got it... thanks Romney.

Maybe, if we can start installing guns in utero, everybody can always be ready to blow everyone away at all times.

That should thrill the Right Wing.

I wonder what caliber Jesus uses.

@Pat Boston -

you wrote ""A new report released Sunday estimates that the United States Treasury loses $280 billion a year in tax revenue from wealthy Americans and companies keeping their money in off shore bank accounts in tax havens.""

Or they could be like the Obama's who (as of Sept. 2008) had millions in tax-free bonds. Apparently the Obama's don't like paying their share of taxes either...

"I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living."

and yet welfare flourishes...

"I believe that thrift is essential to well ordered living and that economy is a prime requisite of a sound financial structure, whether in government, business or personal affairs."

and yet the debt soars...

Apparently Mr. Obama hasn't read 'I believe'...

Spanky, O'really, and Concerned Ctzn: You guys should be reporting Feisty for the language she's using. email contactnewsvine@msnbc.com. She sounds like she's on the wine pretty hard tonight.

From my post # 3.21:

Since this thread is less likely to get collapsed than @'s 1 & 3, I'll comment here.

Guess I'm eating those words !!

PAT- do tell us how many companies Obama has run, and how much money he's given to the poor.

As many as Ronald Reagan has run! (BTW, Reagan had been the President of a labor union, too) As for money given to the poor, I suspect Obama has given a bigger percentage of his income to charity than Romney has. Obama has certainly paid a higher percentage of his income in taxes.

What gets me is that what with the massive increase in drone attacks, increased war tempo, Gitmo still open, payoff to Pakistan, people getting poorer, etc, .....all the stuff the libs reviled Bush for , when it comes to Obama, all one hears is SILENCE. Big disappointment , eh?

Don't assume that all liberals are cookie-cutter identical, they're not. I can't speak for all liberals, but I had no qualms about the attacks on the terrorist Al Qaida group, whether by Bush or Obama. On the other hand, I have heard complaints from some liberals about Obama's war efforts, even some thinking he was just another Bush.

I've seen some hypocrisy on the right, too - being all for the Health Insurance Mandate until Obama agreed to it. and being totally unconcerned about the Bush deficits but outraged about the Obama deficits. Ah, but then again, Conservatives are not cookie cutter identical either, a few have been consistent in their opposition to deficits, and consistent in their health program positions.

Pat - refresh my recollection - in '08 was Obama's foreign policy the Hope of the Change?

yeah, spanky and will you "refresh my recollection"......didn't the repubs swear their focus was going to be solely on jobs, jobs, jobs in '2010'?

CM-6969:

Romney has given a higher percentage of his income to charity:

When Obama was just a candidate for the presidency, his charitable contributions were less than half the percentage of income than Romney:

As for Obama paying a higher percentage of his income in taxes... are you as sure about that as you were about his charity?? You are certainly as accurate!!

Obama has been sheltering money from taxes as well: At the end of the day, he and Romney and all the rest of the "rich" as the Left so zealously refer to them are operating legally in where they put their money. They aren't dodging their responsibility to pay taxes... they are lawfully doing what the law allows them to do.

Before you continue to gleefully make statements supporting Obama and bashing Romney, maybe you should do some homework and actually educate yourself on the so called facts you are putting out. Just saying it over and over again doesn't make it true... it just makes you wrong over and over again.

It's absolutely amazing and ironic that the righties pound their chests about patriotism, while at the same time defending Romney's off-shore tax haven accounts.

As for gun laws, we need strong national laws that cover all states. State laws, or the lack of them, do little to curb the violence. Here lies another irony--the religious right claims to be Christian, yet they believe gun violence is an acceptable thing--something that Jesus would like.

We talk about and think about the tax code as an "obligation" and give breaks to provide "incentives" except when we talk about the taxes on the Romney's of the world... then the tax is a "burden" and a tax cut is a "stimulus". Ridiculous.

A tax break on income used to invest in equipment or jobs is a reasonable incentive and worth every penny in lost tax revenue.

A tax break on the personal income of the rich is an incentive to take money OUT of business and OUT of this economy and INTO an off-shore bank account and is not only NOT worth it... it's a double hit to our economy!

The lower the top end tax the less it costs to create huge paydays for the CEOs and CFOs and CTOs and CMOs and COOs of the world... allow them to take it all in capital gains at 15% and you have the perfect "incentive".

Lowering taxes on the personal income of top corporate executives is tantamount to raising taxes on moneys reinvested in their company... because THAT is the choice we are affecting... to pay yourself or reinvest.

This whole narrative is out of control and it seems that we don't want to think hard enough to see through it.

The Romney's of the world will fight to the death for lower taxes at the top end. It allows them to gain wealth even in a recession while the middle class loses 40% of their net worth. It allows them huge paydays with very little tax consequence. It allows them to remove capital from businesses they either operate, own, or purchase regardless of their profitability... and ENCOURAGES them to do so. It wipes out long term decision making and long term investing.

You want answers as to why we are where we are? Well... here it is. Greed is NOT good.

Does anyone else smell Fiesty.. It really stinks around this post.

Exactly. Very well put. That is the true reality of the whole situation. The idea that the richest corporations and indivuals will "invest' their excess (untaxed) profit/income to here in this country to build businessa nd employ more Americans has been proven again and again over the past decade or so to not really be the case. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer == and Mitt or anyone else like him -- . now said that the problem is that the poor and working class are making too much money and if we just alow the richest to make more untaxed profits everything will be better -- is a bold face lie (and clearly self-serving) . We have tried that for a dozen years and it has not worked, has it? Interesting that our econmy was it' strongest back when the richest businesses and person paid more taxes (not less). I am not anti-business or anti-capitialsim -- just aainst self-servicne, self-enriching, BS.

Mr. Romney also signed legislation cutting some red tape detested by gun owners in November 2005, and less than a year later he became a member of the National Rifle Association.

Speaking to a crowd in New Hampshire last week, Mr. Romney described hunting as a teenager and then most recently last year, saying: "I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." Yet the next day, his campaign told the Associated Press that, in fact, those two occasions were the only times he had ever hunted.

Yeah, he's pretty much an idiot!

pssst spankster....MSNBC doesn't exist any more. It's just NBC News now. Try to keep up.

Funny that there laughingnat - cause I'm watch by favorite comedian Matthews, and lo and behold, right there on the screen, in the header it says....

Wait for it....

MSNBC.

Whoops. Perhaps you ought to text Chrissy M and tell him?

get a friggin life.. all you hateful bigots your canidate is a LOSER.. and should be in jail over his SEC filings since it is a felony.. you can visit him i9n jail and kiss his ass.. and a kiss on him any where would be his ass because he is ALL ASS

Ok, so that was the 40 typing - I'm watching my favorite comedian Matthews...

Bad Miller Highlight.

Oh and maxgiver - you say I should get a life, yet you respond to me. Interesting.

But do tell, what laws where broken, and what is the SEC/FINRA/DOJ doing about getting charges filed?

When can we expect the first hearing?

An why you checking out Mitt's ass?

Yikes!

Romney has Darth Vader/Cheney lurking out there with his cast of characters all lined up to attack Iran if Romney was to be elected. Waiting to bilk billions more out of their money for war profits. Why else Cheney be giving fund raising parties if not for future war profits? Cheney war criminal in chief. Notice Bush stays the hell out of the spotlight...he knows he screwed over the nation killing our troops because Cheney wanted war profits. Remmeber every day in the media, they all said Cheney was really running the country back then.

17 out of 24 Romney advisors formally worked under the Bush/Cheney failed team.........17 out of 24!!!!!!!!!!!!

911, Afgan, Iraq, Katrina, the 2nd Great Depression.........CHRIST SAKE! Wasn't once enough with these failed people? Bush,Cheney,Rove,Norquist, and King Romney Trying to drag the country back into the past where they made millions of dollars off death and destruction.

Romney for a worse tomorrow today!

Vote PRESIDENT OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Hey Darth Vader 'didn't build that'.

The Republic is 'doing just fine.'

'Sometimes [the Emperor] has made enough money.

I could go on, got lots of PBR. :)

Great stuff Spanky!

Hey Spanky

How do you spin the fact that Mittens SUPPORTED GUN CONTROL WHILE GOVERNOR OF MA.?

Spin - all politicians are worthless.

Some less than others, but make no mistake they all suck.

Pick you poison. I know I will.

Spanky

It's called ad networks, generally based on your browsing behavior. So you see an anti-Obama ad because you visit a lot of anti-Obama, pro-Romney sites. I see a car ad.

It's not MSNBC, it's an ad network. I know... knowledge is not your strong suit.

Spanky is being satirical. Please stop making us look bad conservatives.

I seem to remember a 4 year old child being gunned down at a park in N Y City about a week ago, where some of the toughest laws against guns exist.

For some strange reason, outlawing guns in NYC doesn't seem to have affected the outlaws.

Maybe, if we can start installing guns in utero, everybody can always be ready to blow everyone away at all times.

That should thrill the Right Wing.

Spanky- you should just go buy some guns.

What a stupid comment.

No one said that enacting Gun laws -- or any sort of laws -- "will make the bad go away". This is not a perfect universe, and humans are not perfect, which is why laws are needed in the first place.

Only the stupid refuse to learn: assault weapons, and body armor, don't belong in the hands of private citizens. Public safety trumps individual "right" to murder people in the name of gun "rights".

It's time gun-nuts learned the meaning of responsibility within a society of more than one, or were denied possessing deadly weapons based upon the mental defect of refusing to be rational, mature, and responsible.

It's really too bad that a law abiding citizen with a carry permit wasn't in that theatre in Aurora, Colorado to fire back at Holmes. It may have saved some lives and some carnage. Even if just to distract him from his wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women and children.

And don't get all penisy about how it would have been ineffective against his body armor. That's not the point. Distracting him from his insanity might have saved a few lives. You libbies may not be aware that lives are saved every year by citizens with guns foiling criminals.

A well armed citizenry is a more polite citizenry.

We may need all this stuff in the future if things keep going the way they are. Nut cases should be delt with simple.

All I have to say is LOLZ....If the American people don't see through this ridiculous man than I have lived to truly see the degradation of the educational system in our country. Change hearts? WTF is he talking about...The government tracks cold medicine for ---- sakes! but not ammunition....Why don't we stop tracking sudafed and fertilizer...we can just change hearts....LOLZ.......He is a moron....By the way.....This is the exact opposite thing that he said when he was governor.....He is truly full of it.....

Richard-296850

LOLZ to you too....two idiots shooting guns in confined spaces with lots of people running and screaming doesn't really seem like a good idea....with tear gas and all, in a dark theater and at a guy dressed in black...Do you really think Holmes was a hardened combatant? Have you ever been in combat? The first time is a little surreal........I don't think he would have noticed unless he was shot....as a marksman taking the chance of costing another innocent life by your own hand (more likely than not, because of the above conditions) it isn't really a smart idea..Your comment is grossly negligent and stupid....Do we have the right to have a gun? yes....Do we all need tanks in our front yard?......If you say yes, please point the tank at yourself and fire......

Pat - refresh my recollection - in '08 was Obama's foreign policy the Hope of the Change? spanky #2.3

yeah, spanky, and will you "refresh my recollection"......didn't the repubs swear their focus was going to be solely on jobs, jobs, jobs in '2010'?

"A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bare arms, shall not be infringed."

Now if we could only put together a well-regulated militia to protect us like the founding fathers wanted, then we wouldn't have to spend so much of out time worrying about the need for individuals to keep and bare arms. Maybe it's time we spent some of our national budget on defense and put together an army to insure our security.

After over 50 years, nothing surprises me anymore. When you have people calling people liberals, or people bashing republicans... I thought we were suppose to be a nation where we could elect politicians because they stood for something. I thought, if I or my neighbor wanted to run for office, if we got out there and told people we were going to do something good, then we might get elected. Now, it's obvious that isn't the case. When you see people like Romney, put together and pay for millions of dollars in advertising, where do we, the actual citizens of the United States fit in? Does our vote really count? And why is it that a program originally set up to help us when we got in our retirement years, is being torn apart by these politicians? Is it because they know that they will never need that money? My dream is that one day, we, the regular hard working citizen, who has to follow all these rules, and live by the left overs we get from our greedy politicians, will one day say we've had enough and put the differences aside of who's a donkey or an elephant, and just say to these people, you can't use your millions of dollars to buy our votes, and as it is, we actually don't want you in office anymore. I'm going to elect Jim, the guy who changes the oil in my car as President, and I'm going to see if he'll put my high school principle in charge of foreign policy. Maybe he'll do 10 times better at promoting peace than all these cronies there now, who are only there for their personal agenda.

So, to all my fellow Americans, I appreciate all your input, your differences, and your desire to make our Country strong again. But, by us to continue to fight over issues of difference solely because your a Republican and someone is a democrat, is exactly what those rich jacka##'s want us to do, to keep us from having a REAL voice in how our policy is made and how our tax dollars are spent, which is usually by them sending the billions, if not trillions to countries that don't even like us. Why? Becuase some of their rich donors who have businesses over seas are the ones that benefit, surely not US, the little people. So, keep on fighting amoungst ourselves or the petty dems and reps and we, the little people, will always be on the end of the losers list........ Don't forget to look at your paycheck stub everyweek as you watch your money go to a foreign country. And put a smile on your face, because it's been done by both, Dems and Republicans............

Fantastic

max giver It you who needs to get a life and a job. For your empty head . If Romney had broken the law the IRS would have already been on him. But the signed off on his returns 100% You friggin lemon liberals seem to forget the Kerry is much richer than Romney. How is it you hippocrits didnt sound off on him. Two faced ass hole is what you are.

Also that maniac is a registered Democrat, So its the bull@!$%# you people put out that causes people like him to flip out. So why dont you people pull your collective heads out of your rears for once and look at what you are causing instead of blaming others for your vitrial BS

So, to all my fellow Americans, I appreciate all your input, your differences, and your desire to make our Country strong again. But, by us to continue to fight over issues of difference solely because your a Republican and someone is a democrat, is exactly what those rich jacka##'s want us to do...

It's called "Divide and Conquer"'. It's one of the oldest games there is. While we fight and bicker with each other over manufactured partisan BS, they're stealing everything from us that isn't bolted down. After the smoke clears and we look around at the barren landscape that used to be our common American dream, we'll finally realize too late late that we've been had.

Wake up people. We all have more in common than the powers-that-be want us to believe.

ROY WILSON-336103

I seem to remember a 4 year old child being gunned down at a park in N Y City about a week ago, where some of the toughest laws against guns exist.

For some strange reason, outlawing guns in NYC doesn't seem to have affected the outlaws.

Without them there might have been 2 kids killed. Illogic at it's best.

For someone usually so full of data, you're kinda lite on this one.

Mitt, besides being a member of a religious cult is a worthless piece of !!!!!. He hasn't stated one thing, a detail that the would do if elected and God hope he isn't. We do know that he said, " I like firing people!"

LMarcT "ROY WILSON-336103 said "I seem to remember a 4 year old child being gunned down at a park in N Y City about a week ago, where some of the toughest laws against guns exist..For some strange reason, outlawing guns in NYC doesn't seem to have affected the outlaws." Your comment...........Without them there might have been 2 kids killed. Illogic at it's best."

I'm sure you think that makes sense, but somehow your 'logic' escapes me.

We definitely need more laws. The more the merrier for sure. Laws are good for society, and laws keep bad things from happening just by passing them. But before we add more laws to the volumes, maybe someone should ask Eric Holder whether he would enforce some new laws since most of the old ones are being ignored.

Romney is in bed with the NRA because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This Clown will stop at nothing to fill his war chest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Afraid I must agree with Romney on this one. As a country, we are under attack by terrorists. Yea, even fools like this Holmes. I tend to think less gun control would possibly be the answer. If only one person in that nightmare theater had a weapon on them, they could have ended it and possibly saved lives and injuries to others. Just a thought. I think the laws are far too restrictive. Whether you realize it or not, lawbreakers, nut cases, and terrorists have little problem acquiring weapons. Yet we disarm citizens who have committed felony crimes such as smoking a joint, fraud, hot checks, etc. that involve no violence and keep them from defending themselves. But, we arm idiots like Holmes.

Last Saturday night I went to watch the DKR at an IMax theater in downtown Ft. Lauderdale when I saw two to three cops in the front doors. At that moment I thought, "Crap I should have left my gun in the car." So, being as lazy as it gets, I approached the officer sitting behind the check-in desk and stood in front of him ready to inform him I was carrying a revolver. He looked up to me and said, "Are you carrying a purse? To which I replied the obvious, "No." "Then you're good" he said with an *hole smirk on his face. Apparently I missed the sign that said "All purses must be checked-in." I still don't know what the @!$%# they were checking for in women's purses at this theatre. Maybe they were looking for illegal tampons.

I wonder what caliber Jesus uses.

Jesus wouldn't need guns. He would "change your heart" instead... or so Romney wants to believe. If Jesus would have carried, maybe, just maybe he wouldn't have been captured and crucified so easily. Pussy Jesus, he must have been a no-weapons no-violence type of guy. Crap, does that mean he would have been a Dem? Isn't that ironic?

Typical defeatist attitude of conservatives when its an issue they don't want to address.

How about abortion? Why do they try to pass so many laws restricting abortions when people are still going to get abortions?

Hypocrites of the highest order.

NRA and Romney are firing blanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Romney is the NRA's little monkey with the tin cup.

Romney is the NRA's little monkey with the tin cup.

Hate romney or love him, no amount of gun laws is going to eradicate thugs, criminals, and lunatics. So all you fools on either side of the fence is just choosing which animal's turd you want to bath in. Is it the donkey or the elephant?

At least Romney knows what kind of assult rifle was used, and I am sure he knows that US Soldiers dont use AK-47's like Obama stated in his speach: "I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals," Obama said. "That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities." LOL, when I served I had an M16, the enemie had the AK-47. Just saying...

years ago when they changed the laws in TEXAS for conceal & carry my friend who was an ER nurse said there would basically be full er's from this law. I told her it would be just the opposite & explained why. She said we will just wait & see. She later had the honesty to tell me I was correct. Level the field & the punks are afraid to attack you. THEY might be the one dead!!

Mitt, besides being a member of a religious cult is a worthless piece of !!!!!. He hasn't stated one thing, a detail that the would do if elected and God hope he isn't. We do know that he said, " I like firing people

Why would the Mormon religion be any more of a cult than any other religion? They have harem's in muslim cultures and pedophiles in the Catholic church. Romney is a good man and has had the same wife all his life so how does that make him a piece of !!!!? He also isn't anymore of a flip flopper than Obama is. Obama is a liar who talks out both sides of his mouth. You libs voted for him because of his catchy "Hope and Change" and "I am going to fundamentally transform Amerca". He didn't tell us anything he was going to do because you wouldn't have elected him if he had. When someone says "they are going to spread the wealth", that means he is a socialist and his agenda is the opposite of what America stands for. Romney has been a succesful business man and Obama has been a community organizer and race baiter. In other words a big LOSER which is why he resents wealthy people so much. When he finishes spreading the wealth, where will he be on the economic ladder? In socialist societies there is either the poor and the rich. I bet he will be rich along with all the rest of our elected officials helping him take us down this road.

.... and being armed is the best defense against Tyranny and we will need our guns if Barrack Hussein Obama is re-elected.

Comrade Obama/Where did I leave my brain Biden 2012

Make sure you see the movie 2016. It will help you libs to understand your idol Obama.

Romney 2012!!!

#3.35

666

Maybe it's time we spent some of our national budget on defense and put together an army to insure our security.

Never has an American president spent more money than George W. Bush on the defense budget. Never was our country less secure!

If money alone could make our country more secure, then surely George W. Bush would have done it. Unfortunately, it also takes brains, a commodity W. was sorely deficient in!

Now, to quote our current leader of the Republican party, Gover Norquist:

"We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate. Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States."

Sorry, we already tried that with George W. Bush... see how well that worked out?

Well.. In the 2002 governor's race in MA, somebody said, "Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts."

Who said that? A candidate named Mitt Romney. And he followed through.. Passing and then signing into law one of the country's strictest assault weapons bans in 2004.

Oops.

I'm thinking shades of Sarah Palin here. These are just words, perhaps someone else's words he has memorized, they are not the words of someone who believes what he is saying.

There is no inner core to this man, consequently he sounds wooden or mechanical.

He needs to be interviewed by someone who can ask him details on his domestic and foreign policies, if there is such a plan, and then debate his answers. The debates he will have with the Pres. will be well rehearsed, we need to see some off the cuff stuff, let's then see what he's made of, my guess, not much.

Gingerbread Momma says. speaking of Romney

There is no inner core to this man, consequently he sounds wooden or mechanical.

The most ......... unexciting speaker .... uhhh ......[look right, look left] ........ in America today is ....uhhhhh....... [look straight ahead, look right with inquisitive expression] ......... is President Obama.

............... [ smile, look thoughtful] ................... I believe he must not ......... [look left, search for next word ] ......uhhh...... must not ......... be able to read ................[pause] .......uhhhh...read.........his teleprompter

Uhhhh..........His ideas are ........uhhhhhhh ........[look down]...........are much better than........ uhhhhh............better than he is able ..........[ quick smile looking right] ........... uhhhhh..........able to express them.

If he could just ..........................get through one sentence ............... without the pauses, he'd ................ be a good speaker.

Dude, point well taken, but seems all these people in politics, before a tv camera, all do the same thing, democrat or republican. I so much remember the debate when GW Bush, answered his questions like a cowboy, because he wasn't able to think fast enough to read the teleprompter.... They all do it. We don't a government of people, we have a govenment of people who get elected by the big businesses, spending the most money on the person who can read from a teleprompter and look the most convincing......

That's because Kennedy had the courage to stand up for what was right and he was murdered for it. Then on to VIETNAM. At least he was alive long enough to prevent a nuclear war. (Cuban Missile Crisis).

At this very moment President Obama is training an army of Islamic Nicaraguan spider monkeys to climb down every one's chimney on CHristmas Eve to steal their guns. WHy? Becuase he know his Gay marrriage mandate - which willl require alll heterosexual couples to incorporate at least 1 gay person into the household willl be diffficult to enforce on an armed populace.

Romney went on Fox Tabloid News to complain that Obama makes him look like a Clown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What laws do we have to stop people from stealing buses and mowing down crowds as they exit malls, theaters, baseball games etc. I guess we will have to ban all buses too.

What a bunch of morons.

"That's because Kennedy had the courage to stand up for what was right and he was murdered for it. Then on to VIETNAM. At least he was alive long enough to prevent a nuclear war. (Cuban Missile Crisis)."

What Kennedy prevented the cuban missile crisis, I thought it was the X-men.

What's up Sanity?

Listen you love, love love talking about people's intelligence and proclivity to lie {!}, so perhaps you can use your expertise and 'splain this to me [cause you of all people know I'm kinda slow]:

Obama promised, among other things, to cut the deficit in half in his first term. He did not, despite having huge majorities and an outright supermajority for a time.

So was he:

1. lying;

2. Not smart enough to know he could not do it.

Then maybe you can tell me why he didn't even try.

And finally Sanity - what is the deficit going to be this year, and how does that compare to the worst Bush did?

Thanks for playing Sanity, as always you are a hoot.

hey spank..where can i buy a torpedo for protection.i need to protect myself

hey when they said bear arms our founding fathers were not specific ..right??

Feisty, you are sharp and I should have used the ignore button on Spanky sooner..............aaaahh Life is pleasant again. Thank you oh wise board provider who gave us this option

Feisty, you are sharp and I should have used the ignore button on Spanky sooner

Happy to assist!

I refuse to feed the attention whores...

You never know when you will need personal protection while in the bath tub.

Spanky - someone obviously told you at one time that you were funny. I don't think they were referring to you being humorous.

Spanky...

Are you going to make any valid points anytime soon??

You got lots of posts, but not much constructive talk...

Lets talk hi-caps, or perhaps why did'nt our system catch someone whom has never owned a firearm at all, then buys 4 really close to eachother, that at least should theow up some type of red flag. Why do we have a system in place for purchasing firearms if it doesnt work.

Dont get me wrong, I am very pro 2nd amendemt, own a couple firearms...am from Alaska where carrying a 44 mag is a requirement if you ever want to go on a hike or fishing...hell...anything outside really.

if you stand up in the tub they will run

Valid points - on a thread where someone says he wants to get a torpedo?

[Didn't, not did'nt}

Valid points. Good one. Nope I rely 100% on Feisty for those. :)

feisty????..........are you really david axelrod?

Spanky - Perhaps he was being ironic or sarcastic about the torpedo. Do you understand ironic or sarcastic? You are pretty much a one dimensional guy, aren't you? You must be great fun to sit next to at a dinner party.

Funny cause down below he's talking about tanks.

Plus I bet you are super fun at a party.

Good for you Kim, good on you.

Wow - I guess Aquaman really does have Sanity.

Yikes.

Seeking ... really! How could you!!! You know that Mittens doesn't have to answer anything or create decent ads until after the convention!! How silly of us all to expect him to actually say something anyone could relate to??? We need to patiently wait as the rest of his minions do to be TOLD when to listen. Now go change your heart because if you do, bad things with guns will never happen! /s :)

Wow. Someone on this thread doesn't like feeding attention whores? But hasn't met a page one thread yet that they haven't posted on before. I wonder who that could be?

I always thought Aquaman was kind of cool. One of my favorite superheros

Aquaman was second only to the wonder twins.

Wonder twins powers, activate. FOrm of an Ice pillar.

Form of a walrus.

Always one ice, one animal.

Fridays, even if Wed., are great, yes?

Loved Wonder Woman's invisible plane, too! I like any day I am still breathing.

phinephancy, I've been reading your posts for months, and I keep you in my prayers. I'm happy you are still breathing as well and wish the best for you!

I personally loved WW's lasso of truth ... that would be a cool thing to have!

Loved her bracelets, too.

Steve-2433382

Wow. Someone on this thread doesn't like feeding attention whores? But hasn't met a page one thread yet that they haven't posted on before. I wonder who that could be?

Steve...she just doesn't like competition. I'm sure she is really pissed right now, since Spanky beat her to the first post on this article!

Hang in there Phine we love you. As far as the lasso of truth, no way. Does this dress make my butt look big? Remember you are in the lasso of truth. Ha that lasso of truth would quickly turn into a hangman's noose for a lot of men.

Why would anyone mess with Aquaman?

Tug on Superman's cape?

Spit into the wind?

Mess around with Jim?

Romney the Clown is a empty suit and has nothing to offer this Country !!!

I smell Fiesty and she stinks!!! Foul, foul, oder..Yuk..

Wait, cocaine is illegal?

No way, cause it seems you can still get some.

Hookers and blow and all.

"The answer is not more gun laws if we really want to fix the problems."

Okay, I'll bite - aside from 11 or 12 more paragraphs of oh-so-scathing sarcasm, what do you suggest IS the answer? That if every man, woman and child in America were legally armed 24/7 (and presumably SEAL trained), there would somehow be LESS violence?

Or is it that because laws don't "make all bad things go away", as Romney so eloquently put it, maybe we just shouldn't have any laws about anything? Gosh, does that mean Spanky would have to find a different "career"?

its our business men that are making money off crime . also not alot of third world likes us either . got love the business men . i know people are picking money over peoples life . we dont need another country to kill us . we just have ourself to kill eachother . and we are worried about getting blown up from third countries . the rate we are going and so much freedom ....lets put guns in everyones hands and see who live . i mean come on . the law is playing with people life. we are going t obe to afraid to leave our homes .

JoAnne

I think Spanky's law career consists of polishing the tables in the law library and that's about it.

He never makes stand alone posts. He only seems capable of reacting to what others post, which wouldn't be bad except all i he can say is something insipid. Like his party he lacks imagination and originality. He must have gotten his degree at Rocky and Bullwinkle's What-sa-Matta-U.

The answer, Joann, is that there IS no answer.

Humans simply do not have the power to stop the deranged from doing deranged things.

Life is fragile, and the unexpected is not always a pleasant surprise. Sometimes it's a calamity- sometimes, a disaster.

It would be somewhat helpful if laws regarding those dangerously unstable- like Jared Loughner- were changed to protect society, rather than those too deranged to act in their own self interest- but I do not see that as applicable in this case. This young man seems to have spiraled out of control with no one the wiser. Do you think the solution is to attach minders to each and everyone of us- so no one can go quietly crazy?

I don't. I also don't see gun control laws stopping this massacre. In fact, had they been in place, making it impossible for him to get armed, he would have carried out this attack with a firebomb he built at his apartment- and there would have been even more deaths. Hundreds more.

Reality is often cruel. Reality in this case is that there are no laws that can be passed to prevent deranged individuals from causing mayhem. There is, literally, nothing to be done.

nojo

What about bans on high capacity clips?

NoJoe -

I realize we can't prevent every deranged individual in the world from causing mayhem. But I refuse to believe that means we should just throw up our hands and say it's hopeless to even try. I realize I was being somewhat flip with Rational Thought about "let's just do away with laws entirely", but really - isn't that where this discussion is heading? Laws can't stop everything bad, so then why have any laws to begin with?

Take driving for example, since so many people like to argue that cars kill more people than guns do every year. I don't know the exact statistics, so I'm not going to argue if that's true or not. But let's suppose it is for the sake of discussion. Okay, I happen to like driving fast - and I think I'm a pretty safe and responsible driver. But because I realize that not everyone else on the roads is, I'm willing to adhere to speed restrictions because they make it safer for everyone. They don't prevent all accidents or deaths - but if they save even one life, aren't they worth it?

If we had better enforcement of the existing laws, wouldn't that save even more lives? What about stiffer penalties for those who break the laws? What about at least trying to improve our mental health laws? What about just trying to change the culture of violence in this country?

Look, I don't know what the answer is either. But I do know that just giving up isn't it.

Republican 2 sentence Health Care Plan:

1 - Everybody must own a gun.

2 - Everybody must be able to buy insurance from the state with the least requirements, so that insurance that actually insures will be prohibitively expensive in those states that require insurance to insure.

3 - No life will be valued at greater than $9.99 in case of death due to malpractice.

Whoops, that was 3 sentences. Republicans get mixed up with big numbers.

The high capacity magazine JAMMED. That act of fate, luck, or God, (take your pick), SAVED lives.

This guy was determined to kill a lot of people- if he a. Knew they were prone to jamming, or b. they were illegal, he might have built himself a firebomb instead.

That would have been far worse.

And, Joann, sometimes one has no choice but to accept that we have no capacity to control everything in our lives. Would that we could- but no one seems to have known that this guy had gone off the rails; therefore, even changing the laws regarding those with serious mental illness would have prevented him from carrying out this crazy plan.

You think stiffer laws could help? How much stiffer could the laws be in this case? He might face the death penalty- but he might be doing consecutive life-in-prison terms. How much stiffer than that can they be?

It is not "giving up"- it is accepting reality.

JoAnne in PA

You wnat THE answer? Well here it is, there is no answer. If someone flips off their lid and goes on a killing spree there is no way to stop them. You can not predict it and you can not avoid it. It is part of life, there is no lesson to learn here. There is no safe places in america or any other country. A 'safe land' is a fairy tale that will never exist. That's the cold hard truth.

It IS what it IS, a random act of violence. The key word is random.

I drove a tank in the Army. Can I have my own for personal protection?

James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58 more with guns.

Timothy McVeigh killed 169 and wounded over 800 with fertilizer and diesel. How quickly some forget. The biggest mass murders in US history have been done with bombs. I do believe that bombs are illegal, but they still manage to use them.

Legend in their own mind....attention whore........hearing those phrass makes me think of one poster in here

...and she's a redhead

LOYALTEXAN # 7.11 says,

I drove a tank in the Army. Can I have my own for personal protection?

Yes, but

1) It must be concealed if you take it into a bar, but not in church or school.

2) At Texas High School football games you are required to use it, and

3) At the State Capitol you must allow any politician to use it for any duel against any collegue, whosoever.

Why heck Forrest - everyone knows cigs kill far more than guns, so that is as it should be.

If you are pro regulation.

I have never lit up a cigarette and have twelve people drop dead. If there is no worry about second hand bullets why worry about second hand smoke. Why don't they ask me if I would like to be in the smoking gun section, or non smoking gun section?

Huh?

Bill Weir, ABC

Among the world’s 23 wealthiest countries, 80 percent of all gun deaths are American deaths and 87 percent of all kids killed by guns are American kids.

According to the Children’s Defense Fund, in the 44 years since Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King were shot to death, bullets have ended the lives of more than one million people — including 12 in Aurora, Colo., who came together at midnight, just looking to cheer for a superhero.

This is getting better by the post! "Non-smoking gun section!! That is really really funny....

PAT- if it's just SO dangerous here, why do so many people want to come here? We take in more refugees than the rest of the world combined, and they WANT to be here! Must be better than good old Catsboxistan, even with all the bullets flying 24/7....

BTW, as a free citizen, you can leave any time if you are afraid of getting shot. North Korea is pretty quiet I hear. Not a lot of armed citizens there to worry about either!

Ritdog, as a free citizen, I don't need you to tell me what my rights are.

One million deaths from guns since 1968. One million.

Gun accidents kill 500 US children each year.

500

And with this knowledge, people STILL just have to have their guns.

It's our American tragedy.

Well maybe it's just me but think it is nuts that I can sit in a bar and drink, can't light up a cigarette because second hand smoke is very dangerous but I can have my gun in my pocket. Why can't I get a CCC license, Concealed Carry Cigarettes?

Forrest -

Just don't try that in Ohio - remember last year when they passed that law that said it was okay to carry a concealed weapon into a bar.....as long as you didn't drink while you were there?

Pat Boston, MA, I have to tell you, I enjoy every single one of your comments and posts. Thank you for being so concise and always fact-based.

Thank you Layton. I as well enjoy your posts. I hope you stick around.

Here is the problem Jo Anne the gun is concealed, nobody knows I have it until I get it out and then it is a little late, I would have just as soon have them change the law to say you can carry, but you can not conceal the fact that you have a weapon, then we would know who to keep an eye on. If somebody saw me and thought that goofy drunk bastard has a gun, they could get up and leave right then if they wished. As it stands now you have no idea until the bullets start flying. Those little signs that say no weapons allowed don't cut it, it's a damn shame you might have to walk through a metal detector just to feel safe when taking your kids out for an ice cream cone.

Forest -

Wasn't disagreeing with you - I've just never figured out why anyone would go to a bar if they weren't going to drink. And geez, concealed weapons and drunks - what could possibly go wrong???

Interesting aside about metal detectors - several years ago, my friend's daughter came here for a visit and we went down to Washington D.C. for the day and got passes to sit in the Senate gallery. The foil-wrapped leftover half of a club sandwich from lunch she had in her purse apparently looked suspicious and they made her "check it" at the door. When we got inside, it was one of those times when nothing was happening and everyone was back at their offices except for whoever was presiding, the one guy who was speaking at the time, a handful of aides, and Bob Dole, who was lurking in the back - I'm still not sure why.....but at least he was saved from being attacked with a soggy half of a tomato and some wilted lettuce..... :)

Tom Han..., er.... I mean Forrest Grump 2.0 post # 8, you have a great way with words. Give Colbert a call.

But, don't be so subtle and nuanced next time. You leave the poor # 8.1 poster back in the dust, still scratching his head.

Pat Boston......right.....in other countries children are killed with machetes or abuse or starvation. The amount of children that die is less here than the rest of the world.....just different methods. Countries where the people don't have the right to bear arms the people are killed by their governments.

OK, corrections to my # 8.14 (just in case somebody is actually still reading):

Should have been Grump's # 8.2 (not #8) and the lost poster # 8.3 (not # 8.1)

In any event, FG, it was a good laugh.

JoAnne ....

And geez, concealed weapons and drunks - what could possibly go wrong???

Great comment ... and I think we all know the answer to that one! I've been checked by TCA for an asthma inhaler that looked like a mini gun in my purse.

Thank you Green Timer.

I know we we were on the same page Jo-Anne, you may have made my point better than myself, who would go to a bar and not drink and how do they know who has weapons if they must be concealed. Lets start wearing them on our hip and then Miss Kitty can check them at the bar until Matt or Festus walks us out at closing time.

Pat, your stats of more than 1 million gun deaths since 1968 is sensationalization to make your point. By comparison, automobile deaths from 1999 - 2005 totaled 311,356 according to the CDC. In 2005 there were over 45,000. Using the 44 years you used and averaging 40,000 (I lowballed it) auto deaths per year over the 44 years, that would total more that 1.75 million deaths by autos. Why is no one trying to get them banned? And yes, guns are designed to kill so why do auto deaths (not designed to kill) outnumber gun deaths? The tool used in any death is just that, a tool. It is the person using the object not the object itself.

I understand that and that was not my intent. Many things can be used as a weapon to kill regardless of what they were intended for. I stated that just to make a point. I have many guns for hunting and I also have a CCW and carry.

Who feels more safe now that I can bring my gun more places than my cigarettes?

You know what? That is a prime question!

Indeed, changing presidents could make things far worse.

But it certainly couldn't hurt.

it will make one bad thing go away

You ask a silly question, you get an awesome answer.

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elvis

I bet you could find what you needed at a military sales yard (People by parts of old military equipment for decorating - watch the DIY network sometime)

Elvis ... Pawn Stars or Storage Wars .... everything is for sale ;-)

How about the UK Forrest?

China does tend to slightly restrict its press.

I have employees in 5 Chinese cities

*waves* to the previously banned JollyOld@!$%#!

Was that before or after you served in Viet Nam Harry?

Tickity tock little buddy! lmao!

You guys are trying to mix apples with oranges, when has a citizen in China flipped out and murdered dozens of other citizens in a school, restaurant, or theater. If you start with the we need assault weapons to protect ourselves from the government I will tell you as you stand with your assault rifle the government can send a guided weapon right up your rectum and watch the video of the expression on your face as it happens.

I defer to the rapper Ice T.

Google his comments.

Excellent, and directly on topic.

Feel free to move to China then.

Sorry Forrest, you need to Google "China knife violence" and "knife violence" in general. There are just a few examples of multiple killings without guns. If a person wants to kill or injure many, there are other ways to do it and no restriction or law will stop them. You can impose an outright ban on guns and will never stop the mass killings or just the individual killings. Thousands of gang bangers are underage and still manage to get weapons. Unfortunately, the current state of the world we live in, there are just bad people and outlawing everything will do nothing to curb it. Unfortunately, sad but true.

Yeah I could have flipped out in college and started poking people in the eye, but I don't think I could have killed 30 people like the V tech incident. There is really no need for assault type weapons or high capacity clips, for any legitimate purpose of hunting or sport shooting. As for as home defense there is nothing I own worth killing somebody over, if it was a matter of protecting my family I would choose my shotgun over any type of assault weapon or handgun.

Canada or Belize seem like nice places to live. One cold, one warm. Depending on what you prefer.

Just last year a man slaughtered children in a school in China. He used a knife. There are crazy people everywhere.

Hey Forrest Grump 2.0

You are correct. The government starts way earlier with murdering and they need no gun. They comment gender based genocide on female babies and their suicide rate, percentage wise, exceeds our gun violence rate.

Oh yeah, socialist lover, they enslave their people

Let our government try to force gender based genocide: yellow, red, black, white, gangster, country people, liberal, conservative, democrat, republican politicians, our president and even military would rebel. China's Tiananmen Square event tanks would not have never got that far, we have guns and morals.

Please move to your lover country, get married and enjoy a life with your wife in a room smaller than a jail cell. Apply for your government approved child voucher and if your wife gets pregnant with a girl, she dies. Work in your pennies on the hour job with universal health care with free dieing holes.

Also, post a comment like this and enjoy very bad things in china. Please move. Please?

They enslave their people, yes they do, by way of American companies like Apple, oh yeah republicans hate communists unless of course they are working for an American company for pennies per hour. Republicans have no problem there do they, welcome to wal-mart right. Oh remember when Bush said they hate us for our freedom, more than likely they hate us because we use their children as slaves, they hate us because they watch their children walk out of a Nike plant barefoot. Who in the heck do you think they sell their people into slavery to, wonderful patriotic American capitalists that's who, nothing more pro communists than a wal mart shopper.

thay also are vary communist we are supose to be free here.

Yeah the poor bastards were flinging themselves out the windows to end their misery at Foxconn, that's why the put up the nets. Now when they fling themselves out of the windows out of despair, they get caught in the nets, and somebody probably comes around and tells them okay break-time is over, get back inside. I will never own an Apple product. You can buy Chinese made products and support this crap, or you can be American and buy American. If each American spent just $64 more dollars a year on American products, it would create 200,000 jobs, in America.

What a total crock of horseapples....if someone flipped out and killed 500 in china we wouldn't hear a word about it....they control news far better than uncle sam.

and all those children killed? were they killed by the other children that are called gangs? you know..those gangs that out number police by 10:1..you know the gangs in chicago that obama's monkey rahm can't get under control...maybe the answer is in that wise head of yours? let's ban guns so punk gangs can rule all our cities

He must, then again Bloomberg has an armed guard 24/7.

Odd, right?

Then again, so does that kook from Media Matters.

More libbie meme fail.

So elvis - guess we can through out all those 4th amend cases dealing with electronic communications, right?

Dude, you at least got to try.

Crap. killed my 40. Luckily got some PBRs left over from the weekend BBQ. :)

After living in Birmingham England, I would rather be shot in America than butchered by an ax, hatchet, ice pick, knives, etc. like the killings they have in GB. A bullet is somewhat neat and cleaner. The media doesn't tell all about BG killings. Try going on a tour of the castles and dungeons in England/Scotland. The British were one of the most brutal people living. They have no room to talk about Western days now are still in America. Other countries you strap on bombs taking out dozens of people. America needs our guns for the revolt coming. Load and Lock!!

The overall murder rate in England is 1.23 per hundred thousand people cpmpared to 4.8 for the U.S. That's almost 4 times as many. Clearly guns will never be banned here. The NRA's opposition to any regulation of any type of guns or ammo is only playing on peoples fears. The government knowing when people are buying huge volumes of guns easily converted to full automatic or high capacity magazines doesn't threaten peoples right to own a gun just the NRA's money collecting ability.

maybe many American's have a reason for not respecting fake qualified President wanna-bees'. Mittens may think they can purchase the Presidency, but that will not happen. NOT this time.

If this is a preview of how romney behaves...can't wait til the debates start...

where are those darn tax returns anyway???

Obama/Biden 2012 the Thinking American's Choice!

brian williams is a groveling shill for obama....always has been......new oxymoron "Brian Williams Journalism".....ranks right up there with "Jumbo Shrimp"

"Obama/Biden 2012 the Thinking American's Choice!" Also the choice of the great American government spongers. Which is half of the Democrats voting block.

redshoes...and Obama was qualified exactly how 4 years ago? Also, Obama purchased the same office 4 years ago. And lastly, Romney has met the requirements. You don't want those tax returns for anything other than to pick them apart and come up with new biased talking points. Now that your points have all been shot down, do you have any real issues you would like to debate, or are you just going to piss and moan?

Regarding the debates, I am guessing every debate for pres and vp will result in better polls for Romney. Obama has a very tough road ahead of him.

Rob scan......writing the name Biden and the word thinking in the same sentence is just laughable. Was Obama thinking when he said doctors don't treat diabetics so they can make more money when they cut off their feet? Was he thinking when he flew over to Copenhagen with Oprah and 200 people to beg for the Olympics? How about when he said that successful business owners didn't do it on their own? You may want to rethink the think thing.

Dave

Why would Mitt sit on the TV in front of millions and show what an etch a sketching flip flopping fake he is.

I was thinking that same thing,Dave D. He had to know that Williams would start in grilling him on his tax returns.

I could care less how Mitt spent his money. And if I were, then Democrats should have also been concerned about their candidate's lack of experience and socialist leaning...and they still should be.

I think Mitt shares the similar stance of Ron Paul on the legal direction this country has been running towards...that there's plenty of laws currently on the books and there's sufficient enforcement for them,perhaps too many/much. Government will never be able to enforce moral behavior, directly or indirectly...unless they dramatically curtail personal privacy and personal freedom. There is no need to repeal all laws just a need to focus away from a legal solution for everything under the sun. Gov. has a tendency to screw everything up they get involved in.

Truly a quality candidate like Romney should only allow interviews by fine news organizations like Fox news. Them other nut jobs ask questions about Bain, Outsourcing, his blind trust and embarrassing questions like that. Fox would never do that.

like u know everything the smartest man in the world and his great ideas

Wishful thinking....the polls don't show him to be far behind. If the economy doesn't show some significant improvement before November, The current President could very well be a one and done. Or a bigger lame duck if the Dems lose the Senate.

Ed. In what capacity has Obama served in the military? Romney was given a medical exemption and served a religious service mission for two years at his own expense.

You know the same people that claim Obama forged his selective service card are the same people that claim he forged his birth certificate. There hasn't even been a draft since the Vietnam war, and Obama was 12 years old when that draft ended. Damn you people are DESPERATE to hate this man!

Jackie: Lying to make Romney look good? Romney got 3 educational deferments not medical and spent 1 1/2 years in Paris on a Mormon missionary retreat even church leaders said was overused during the height of the Vietnam war. Obama was 12.

LOL. I liked that!

It's not like he had a choice. Buck the NRA and you are toast.

So we just keep letting the NRA lobby make our politicians so afraid of them that they're TOAST? Same reason why the OIL INDUSTRY is allowed to destroy our whole planet, has more billions then they know what to do with and we the taxpayers are still being forced to subsidize THEM to the tune of BILLIONS a year, spend what has amounted to TRILLIONS in wars, deaths and insurmountable environmental damage as the country is burning to the ground and we're STILL letting them use tons of water for fracking and mining as crops dry up but the government won't stand up to THEM or their lobby either.
Sick, sick, sick.

LOYALTEXAN, I love your avatar!

just a teeny tiny reminder to all you anti gun jobs.....the NRA isn't a UFO that beamed down and creates influence....it is US Citizens making sure the lefties don't make the country the next poland. want to take the USA by force? give it a try, we're ready.

Yeah this is a frustrating thing I have been noticing more and more. I'm sure it has been this way for a while now, but I guess I'm just paying more attention.

There is a Piers Morgan interview of Bachmann, part of it at least, on youtube. He asks a question, in one or two instances he presses her to explain her position in more detail, but he doesn't press on certain things that are known falsehoods and he doesn't always ask logical follow ups to expose inconsistencies in rhetoric.

It is left up to the watcher to identify those moments. This isn't really useful if the watcher cannot identify the moment. It also doesn't do anything to plant the seeds that inconsistent rhetoric and flat out false claims will not be accepted as answers to legitimate questions on important issues.