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Subscribe to RSSMitt Romney has criticized President Obama for his “you didn’t build that line,” when it came to businesses. The president was making an “it takes a village” argument, which the Romney campaign and conservatives have roundly panned.
But in 2002, during his speech at the Opening Ceremonies at the Winter Olympics -- the games in which Romney was lauded for turning around the management -- Romney made a similar argument about Olympians.
"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].”
In full context, Romney, of course, also praised the Olympians’ efforts – right before he made his “you didn’t get here solely on your own” remark.
“Tonight we cheer the Olympians, who only yesterday were children themselves,” Romney said. “As we watch them over the next 16 days, we affirm that our aspirations, and those of our children and grandchildren, can become reality. We salute you Olympians – both because you dreamed and because you paid the price to make your dreams real. You guys pushed yourself, drove yourself, sacrificed, trained and competed time and again at winning and losing.”
*** UPDATE *** A Republican strategist sends over this response: “The Obama Campaign is comparing the government to a loving parent? What happened to Julia?”
For the record, the post did not originate with the Obama campaign but an NBC archive search.
Video edited by NBC's Matt Loffman
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Interesting that this idiot doesn't think the Olympians got there on their own but believes successful business people did. This guy is so out of touch with reality it is pitiful.
He would be smarter if he just kept his mouth shut. Oh, wait, that's what the campaign is trying to get him to do.
Is this honestly the very BEST the GOP has to offer? I'd walk away from any party that had to run this lowlife as their very best!
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity
Interesting that this idiot doesn't think the Olympians got there on their own but believes successful business people did
What's more interesting SeekingSanity is Romney destroyed records from the SLC Olympics.
Mitt Romney Olympic Archive Still Off-Limits
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mitt-romney-olympic-archive-off-limits/story?id=16811397#.UAzMJqPN100
Great point Domenico....................
It's okay if Mitt says it takes a village, but not if the president says the same.
Hypocrisy at it's highest level by Romney!
I sometimes truly wonder if Mittens really understands recording technology, that there is an irrefutable record of what someone said when it's on camera or the radio, and that the record lasts forever...
Lets see, R-money distorts the President's message yet he had a lot of help from the government; blind trust, tax loop holes, Bain Capital etc.
Romney is so blind.
Detroit-Storm................. my answer to your question is that he lives in a bubble were he imagines that it is actually possible to use his magic Etch-A-Sketch to wipe away any and all of his remarks/thoughts.
Detroit- I think he's just unaware of what comes out of his mouth, even after the fact.
Romney + that speach /= election
What is his campaign telling him? He needs to fire them all.
If there was an ounce of common sense amongst them - they would just throw in the towel this time around and focus on 2016!
What a CLOWN!!!
Who thanks to ME... are standing here wearing uniforms made in Burma & flag pins made in China!
Interesting that Romney saying that olympians got there through, " loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues". Is spun by libs as the same thing as obama saying that businesses should thank government for their successes.
I didnt see where it was said by romney that if it werent for the government, these olympians wouldnt be at the top.
Spin spin spin libs.
What Romney Thought but didn't say:
"I wonder how hard it would be to outsource our olympians to another country. If it takes a 'village' to do this, it would be much cheaper on the American people to outsource this.. and if I "BUY" the whole thing, I know I can get another tax credit for doing it. After all, those venues MUST cost American taxpayers to much money... and that's money that should be in my bank accounts"
It's unrealistic to expect consistency from anyone -espceciallly politicians and in particular ROmney. But so what? WHo cares about hypocrisy when the main deity worshippped in the U/.S. can't even folllow HIs own simple rules?
Mitt didn't get here on his own. It took the most pathetic field of GOP presidential candidates in history to hand this clown the prize.
Uh, geniuses, Romney is stating a fact: that Olympic athletes were helped by friends, coaches, and family. Obama alleges bulls**t: that business owners owe their success to the almighty federal government. As usual, you're so busy blindly worshiping the messiah, that you can't recognize the obvious.
Romney's hypocrisy, lies and distortions make him morally unfit to be POTUS. How could we ever believe anything he tells us. How would you like him to knock on your door and tell you that your religion is false and that you should become a Mormon? I wouldn't believe that either, would you?
spider-737231
Really? Does that mean we can stop tax credits for corporations that move their jobs to other countries?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/romney-tax-plan_n_1683211.html
Seems to me.. Obama wants to give tax credits to corporations that "KEEP" jobs in America.
Remember.. the GOP loves the American Government so much, they would like to buy it :-).
These kids didn't get there on their own. Parents took time to take them to practice, their families probably had to sacrifice a lot. No one does anything on their own. Wake up people. We do not live in a vacuum.
Another one to throw on the hypocrite pile.
It's really amazing how stupid spider and trudats comments are. Do you two really not understand both President Obama and Willard were making the same point? You both are really going to have to quite listening to crazy Limbaugh. Have you not watched this crazy man shake in anger as he spreads his conspiracy theories?
Romney's quote: I don't know what I said, but I stand behind what I said, what ever it was I said. The fact is Romney doesn't have a clue what he said an hour ago, much less days or months ago. Romney is a moron, and the media and the tea people Koch republicans just ignore it. The media ought to be ashamed that they give this moron any credibility at all.
What a truly far-fetched analogy. I guess Domenico thinks Olympic athletes don't start training until after they get their driver's license LOL.
Newsflash- Olympic athletes start training as young as 4 years old.
Obama lies,,, Romney tries
. society stagnates when independent productive achievers are socially demonized and even punished for their accomplishments... Society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike by disappearing [and dropping out of everyday society]."
Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin repudiated his U.S. citizenship right before Facebook's much anticipated IPO this month. While Saverin had already been living in Singapore, dropping his U.S. citizenship allowed him to escape millions of dollars in capital gains taxes that his higher-valued Facebook shares would eventually trigger.
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Government numbers, according to Bloomberg, show "a record 1,780 gave up their U.S. passports last year compared with 235 in 2008."
…NObama 2012!!!!!!
Romney spoke correctly, Obama lied. His socialist feeble mind told him it was the truth, but he lied. Athletes need a lot of people to help them get to the games, small business needs someone with gumption, perhaps a bank loan and someone to buy their product. The whole town doesn't get behind them and set them up in business.
German - and your point? As Mo above stated clearly, the same analogy fits both Olympians and businesses - unless you don't know how businesses work.
Typical Republican - don't understand anything!
Obama/Biden 2012
NEWSFLASH - Every business uses some form of taxpayer funded infrastructure to be successful.
Lost, the whole community (via the representative government) paved the roads the business owner and his employees use, hires the police and firefighter who protect it from harm, educate the people who will work for him/her, built the interstate transportation system that move his supplies in and his product out. etc. Those who continue to either miss the point or parrot the Romney nonsense have no credibility.
More liberals grasping at straws to try and cover for Obama going off the teleprompter. Whenever he is caught on an open mic or going off teleprompter, the real Obama emerges.
I see too many people who don't understand the difference between government and parents.
It's a big difference.
Willard, 8/11/11
What's really interesting is that MSNBC in true liberal media fashion didn't report Obama's comment in a single story for days after the comment was made and yet they when back 10 years to find a similar comment by Romney. No, the media's not biased at all...
Hahahahaha another Willard flop. Way to go Weathervane Willard!
joe,
Because Obamas comment wasn't news, the teabag response was. So in an effort to be fair they found out that Rmoney said the same thing...
Athletes successful with help
Businesses successful with help, especially roads and bridges they didn't have to build themselves...
See?
Seeking,
Business sees it this way.
I can make this widget and make money. Before I can do that,
I have to learn an comply with around 200,000 pages of government laws and regulations federal PLUS any state an local agencies.
Roads, bridges, and money system don't help one bit if you don't want to spend the time to deal with the regulations and taxes.
Don't let the record get in the way of BS.
Romney sure is tripping over himself.
RTFS: Speaking of parroting, you're using the "explanation" that the Obama camp put out when they got called on the subject. Those roads were paved for the people, the police were hired for the people, your taxes and mine educate the children etc. etc. Small business has been around much longer than you or I have, way before paved roads and fire depts and public schools. You supporters of socialism don't get it.
Good, cause I wouldn't want your widget to be like fracking, or oil, or made from a chemical that might get in my kids water supply.
Why do you think businesses get preferential treatment over my kids drinking water?
Spider: How come you and your right wing buddies are the only ones who refer to President Obama as the messiah? Do you know something we don't know?
DB akron @ 1.31, I would give you two votes if they would let me. The paper work must be horrendous for some businesses. Depending on the type of business there might be a half dozen or more govt agencies to deal with just to get started. Does anyone reading this have any idea how much paper work has to be done for a single individual who owns three or four or five semi's and operates interstate commerce?I do, been there seen that. Stupid regs!
Gee trudat - so you really want to stand by the asinine claim that government had nothing to with letting the Olympics happen? If that is so, then why in the hell did American taxpayers pay an estimated 1.3b to fund the Olympics. Yet another greedy, selfish American failing to recognize the importance of government.
All that "support" provided by the govt was paid for by the people, including the business owner. That's the point you libs keep forgetting...the successful business owner isn't getting to use these things for free, he/she is paying for them in the form of taxes (excessive IMO). Successful business owners don't need to fall over themselves "thanking" govt for its help; govt (and entitlement recipients) need to thank business owners and rich people for their help. Without business that provides tax revenue (and employment), the govt couldn't provide those entitlements or build those roads, etc....
Soooo, where the uniforms in the 2002 olympics outsourced to china too?
It seems that Romney's camp was fine with having the uniforms made in China, as I recall. That's probably because the garments were manufactured in a plant staffed by people who owe their jobs to Bain Capital.
Just what do you think Cal Strawberries or Lettuce would look like if they came across the country on single lane dirt roads? Oh, I forgot... Paving companies just made interstate roads out the goodness of their hearts.
Airports? Those are naturally occurring conditions in the earth. Government had nothing to do with those. Seaports too, all natural events.
Tolls and tariffs for crossing state and county lines... Never existed.
Business doesn't need any help from the government. My A — —
It's so entertaining to tune in to the daily programming dribbling out of Mitt -- who is programming this robot? Time to del *.*
Of course, Obama never said that business owners became successful because of government help, despite the fact that many have due to direct subsidies. He said that business people succeed because of the infrastructure and eduction system provided by all the people of the United States through their hard work and taxes.
I seem to recall somebody saying:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Let's see who are those people? They are the GOVERNMENT established for the benefit of all.
Lost, what I said happens to be true. Just because the facts don't happen to suit you don't mean it's a political subterfuge. And I love how you use the term socialism. If I remember correctly from political science class, socialism exists when the state takes over the means of economic production. Is there one example of the President promoting that?
Well, to be fair, the gov't built the road and bridges which brought success to businesses by using taxpayer money. So if one would really like to get technical, the businesses are successful because of of taxpayers, aka Americans. I'm not sure how Mr. Obama is mistaken in his statement. Do businesses have enough money to build roads and bridges?? Maybe they could have banded together to create the project, then they'd just charge people to cross the bridge or better yet hike prices on their goods. Point is, without taxpayer money, businesses would have failed.
The gov't isn't a parent, but it is necessary for infrastructure, or do the GOP not know where the money for roads and bridges come from? If Mittens had it his way, he'd probably get illegals to do contract work for 1/4 of min wage and keep Americans jobless....
Most of the right wing nuts couldn't stand Romney just a few months ago. Now that they have no other choice in their own party but a flip flopper, they're willing to give up whatever sanity they still had left to fool themselves into believing Romney could be their savior. So pathethic! Just what do they think Romney could or would do for them? Obviously that's not important to them at all. What damage could or would a man of no principle and no integrity to whom lying is a natural as breathing do to this country? Obviously that's not important to these right wing nuts at all either. They are just as much as a liar as their very own Mitt Romney. They don't just lie to others, they lie to themselves.
Do these right wing nuts really think Romney could improve the economy? Not all all! They know darn well Romney has no clue what economy is all about! They know darm well that Romney is a businessman - a vulture businessman, whose only knowledge and experience is to make profit for himself! Economy is quite different, it has much wider scope and much more depth. Economy also requires the knowledge of balance. It's not something that a vulture businessman whose sole interest is his own profit can understand. Economy is not something that tax evader like Mitt Romney can understand. It's simply plain stupid to claim someone who made millions from bankrupting other companies could know how to run a country's economy. No wonder the GOP politicans are so persistent in cutting education funding. the more stupid the public becomes, the more they can control them. Now, that's big government!
What a spin this is...you are comparing Apples to Oranges...Please stop, you insult yourselves.
Teapublicans illustrating their inability to comprehend basic concepts. Getting them to understand more advanced concepts like regressive taxes is asking for the moon.
German Gem wrote:
Excellent point, GG. You have to admire Olympians all the more when you realize they were paying for rent and utilities, buying their clothes and food, and saving up to pay for the schools they would be attending when they turned five.
True Olympians don't need any help of any kind. In fact, when I close this post, I'm going to see how they finance the Olympic Games.
If you RWNJ's think that the government doesn't help facilitate the success of a business, I invite you to go over to Somalia and start a small business there. Then you can talk about how a business person built the business all by themselves.
HAHAHAH!!!!
Hey FR... Nice job scrapin' the bottom of the DEFLECTION barrel!
HAHAHAHA! How pathetic has this so called news site become in its efforts to defend the annointed one!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Mitt Romney shows once again that he is only qualified to play follow the leader, not to become one.
Wow. It is amazing the people here that don't know what context is and are probably watching edited footage on news stations that only show the part of the quote that they want you to see.
I am a small business owner. I am not rich, but I am able to acknowledge that my business wouldn't be here if it weren't for roads, safety standards that make my building up to code, if my local government didn't make sure there is internet and electricity running to my locations, if I hadn't gotten a government loan to help me through school, if the local municipality didn't make sure there were firemen and police to protect my locations, and I wouldn't be in this area if there were decent schools and enough teachers to teach my kids.
It is interesting how it seems to just eat at so many business owners that there are regulations to protect my business, my employees, and my business locations, and that yes, it DOES take shared resources (as in resources often provided by governments using tax dollars to build and maintain common areas and resources) to help a business get started and keep operating. I expect regulations and I expect to pay taxes, and that is part of my responsibility to my family, community, employees, and customers. Why is it so hard to face reality for some? The reality is none of us live in a vacuum, and none of us got wherever we are without some help along the way.
Some help might have come from private sectors and some from public, and that is how this is supposed to work. We are all a team...I run my business according to the law and ethical standards, I pay taxes and support my community with the service I provide, and the government and private citizens support my business in various ways if I have a product or service they need and my prices are fair.
Why the big deal? Why admit Olympians got where they are by support of family, friends, private and public funding and support, but not businesses? It isn't socialism to use roads provided by governments nor to have fire, police, and utilities, utility tree trimming, maintained roads, and so forth. It's reality and how cities, states, and the US works. To spin that into socialism to admit you aren't on an island with NO support at all ever is just ridiculous.
Even if you had that island and did everything yourself, you still had to have an airport on a mainland to have a place to land and stores of some kind from which to get supplies. How is it taking personal responsibility to not acknowledge how interdependent we all are? The government isn't in my face every day. I follow the laws, pay taxes, and use public resources, my kids get an education, and if my house catches on fire the fire department will be here shortly to do what they can, accompanied by rescue and police units. I am happy to pay taxes for all that, and I see that bigger businesses should be doing the same thing at a comparable percentage rate to what I pay without whining or cheating. I have no desire to hide money anywhere and I don't want to send any to other countries to hide, either. If I work hard and make a lot of money I won't be sending it off somewhere. That isn't happening.
This isn't even a political issue, but is reality. We can all spin it how we want to make political points, but governments, Olympians, business owners, and the rest of the community all depend on each other to be responsible.
I got help along the way a couple of times, and it's not a big deal for me to say that. The government does provide things that I pay taxes for, and I have worked hard to make my business work for years. It all works as long as one part of it doesn't decide that they shouldn't pay or do their fair share. What is the big deal? No one is taking my rights away and no one is in my face. I accept that for every industry there are safety rules and taxes, so I either follow the rules and pay the taxes or I shouldn't be in business. It's called adulthood.
Typical of Party of No members who inhabit multiple universes at the same time.
Consider what Romney once believed, before flip-flopping for political expediency:
1. Pro cap and trade
2. Pro gay marriage
3. Pro Affordable Care Act (when it was Romneycare)
4. Pro-Choice
5. Pro Assault Rifle Ban
What a hypocrite.
corporations NEWSFLASH - Every business uses some form of taxpayer funded infrastructure to be successful. could you tell me where? i need to get my cut. i didnt get a nickel from anyone when i started my company!
We the Corporations --
Romney was reminding young athletes that their success depended, in part, on the support of their family and friends - after he had already acknowledged their individual achievement. Obama made no corresponding acknowledgement of the hard work of successful small businesses.
Obama's point was that no one in America can be successful without big government and uses that point to suggest that government be even bigger.
See?
Excellent point, GG.
@DWalker - I'm pretty sure GG and her right wing compatriots meant that training starts pre-conception - ya know, that swimming upstream competition and breaking thru the membrane barrier competition, and the big one - the cell division triathlon.
Dear Republicans - please show me the nation on this earth that is operated within a structure that you like, where there are practically no taxes...and society isnt just existing, but thriving.
I'd like to see that dreamland...
just wondering- is there any statement or position mr. romney hasn't taken the opposite stance at some point in his life? in my life, i have never seen anybody who wants to be president so badly that he will change or do anything to get elected! NEVER
RTFS @ 1.44, Let me count the ways Obama alludes to socialism. 1. Everybody pay their fair share. 2. Spread the wealth around. 3. Govt mandated and regulated health care. Socialism doesn't necesarily mean the gov't owns and regulates the entire economy, just enough to operate their programs that make the populace dependent on them, especially health care. Have you lately googled some of the European countries and read the personal income tax rates? Obama wants to do the same thing here, except he wants to cover it up by overtaxing the rich and very well to do.
trudat6445
I've asked this question before but for some reason none of you righties want to answer it:
why doesn't Bain invest in companies in Somalia then? Why doesn't Bain leave the "over-regulated" United States of America, and go do business in Somalia, Russia, Haiti, Sudan, Uzbekistan, North Korea????
Why stay here when there is money to be made anywhere and everywhere?
f hill
Drive on roads much? How do you get to work and back Teleport?
Your so called business doesn't use roads, airports, internet, electricity, police protection, etc, etc,
ram-762581
Although your post is logical, intelligent, and honest, it will not mean anything to those that are adamant about spreading the same garbage: "Obama said YOU didn't build that"
"that" meaning YOUR business instead of "that" meaning infrastructure....
Remember that the government didn't build the infrastructure either to a great extent. They simple transferred money from the people to the contractors the government hired to build the infrastructure.
And Mr. Obama, when you collect my taxes, remember you didn't earn that either.
We are not the government's people, it is the people's government. The biggest problem with the government of the United States it that it has collectively forgotten that it was designed to be the servant of the people, not their master.
[Soooo, where the uniforms in the 2002 olympics outsourced to china too?]
No, Mittens outsourced them to Burma, aka Myramar, a country with a reputation of notorious human rights violations...right up the GOP's alley.
From DK:
Anyone complaining about what the president said about "you didn't build it on your own" need to look at the entire quote before posting nonsense that was carefully edited by fox news. The president was specifically talking about and also refereeing to the roads, bridges used by the private businesses and the educated they employ that allowed those business owners to prosper. Now tell me I am wrong (after you have seen the entire quote) about what i just said? The president is write and so was Romney when they both said, none of us got their on our own..
Spider....Really, this is the best you got? You have to know, unless you are as terminally stupid as your rants suggest, that what you wrote is not what President Obama said, what he said, as have many people, that no one makes it in this world due to their efforts alone. The infrastructure that they employ to be successful, was built not just by them, but everyone paying taxes. Nice try though, but until you get beyond your habit of single dimension thinking and learn how to read for yourself and not just repeat what you hear from conservative media outlets, you'll always be nothing more than the village idiot. Roll around in your stupidity and wear it proudly my friend, your dim witted responses entertain us all.
Every Presidential campaign has a theme song. Here's Mitt's:
Hey, y’all prepare yourself
For the Rubberband man
You never heard a sound
Like the rubberband man
You’re bound to lose control
When the Rubberband starts to jam
Doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo
Rubberband man, Rubberband man
How much of this stuff do he think we can stand
So much rhythm, grace and debonair from one man, Lord
And then he had nerve to wiggle his left toe
To his knee, got the feelin’ in his head, y’all
Ah, come on, baby
Hey, y’all prepare yourself
For the Rubberband man
You never heard a sound
Like the rubberband man
You’re bound to lose control
When the Rubberband starts to jam
Rubberband man starts to jam
Movin’ up and down across the land
Got people all in his ways
Everything about him seems out of place.
Kudos to the Spinners!
Boy - NBC had to dig pretty deep to provide their usual 'supporting actor' role for Team Obama this time.
Romney has been for and against everything at one time on another over the last 10 years. He will say ANYTHING to suck up to the radical right that makes up the Republican Party. Come debate time, it will be so much fun watching President Obama chew Romney up then spit him out. The days of going after Pizza Man, Bachmann, Newt and Rick are over. You're in the big leagues now Mitt and you can't hit the pitching.
Funny, he didn't mention how much Federal money he went after (and recieved) in his 2008 quest to "save the olympics." In reality, the 2008 Olympics may not have happened without the help of government funding. But, of course, you'll never hear THAT from Mitt....
Romney has been for and against everything at one time on another over the last 10 years.
So true Charlie. That lying Piece of Poop Willard will be in trouble come debate time.
If you're intelligent enough to make a comment, remember it's because Barack Obama made you what you are. And don't forget that come election time.
@seeking sanity #1
No, it is not. But from the get go, the MSM went after all the other candidates with liberal aggression digging up any irrelevant dirt they could find. And the lemmings followed by dropping their support of those candidates, until we were left with Mitt.
@ram-762581 #1.54
I agree with you completely, we need taxes and regulations, however they need to be reasonable, not oppressive. And one must remember that businesses don't generally "pay" taxes, they (myself included) include them in the cost of their product (which includes the cost of those regulations) to their customer.
@Jessica-1170252
I think if you talk to most Republicans, and not just what you hear about Republicans, you will find that we support taxes and regulations. We just don't support the oppressive taxes and regulations you support. For example, I am in favor of the EPA, I want clean air and water, but there comes a point of diminishing returns, i.e. low sulfur Diesel, Tier 4 engines, etc, which may make sense in densely populated area, but has no effect out here in farm country, other than to increase costs, which is ultimately paid by the consumer. And if you really want to know why so many jobs are going overseas, ask your employer how much they actually pay to have you work there that you don't see in your paycheck: Workers Comp, Unemployment Insurance, Health Insurance, Social Security, Liability Insurance,
And to all of you
What I took away from Romney's speech, was that he was acknowledging and thanking (cheering) those who supported the athletes. I didn't get the sense that he was diminishing the achievements of the athletes or implying they owed something to those people. I did get a sense that Obama was diminishing the achievements of the business owners, and implying they owed something more (higher taxes) to the people.
And yes, I did too build it Mr. President, I pay taxes too, that pay for roads, police, fire, military, etc. My companies generate the revenue that employs many people who also pay taxes and pay for those things as well. And I pay (in essence) child support to many irresponsible unwed mothers whose children I did not sire. And I pay for the education (liberal indoctrination) of today's children.
DumbFarmBoy - okay, that's not even a slightly good response. So, all the others who you're implying were better than Mitt couldn't stand the heat so they dropped out? Is that really your argument? And, you supposedly are a business owner? Doubtful if you believe that argument is in any way logical.
Your assessment of what President Obama meant is based on your right wing bias - no facts. But, your entire post is based on your bias - no facts.
And, we all pay for all student's education - yours included. Your ignorance of the subjects you're trying to refute speaks volumes!
Obama/Biden 2012
apples and oranges.
Even a far stretch for the left but whatever it takes to manipulate your base is ok with you lefties.
DumbFarmBoy:
It pleases me whenever a conservative can at least admit that education, i.e. gaining a better understanding of how the world works, tends to make people more liberal.
Where are those taxes, Mitt?
[Funny, he didn't mention how much Federal money he went after (and recieved) in his 2008 quest to "save the olympics."]
That would be over $410 MILLION of taxpayer dollars, including over $1 MILLION from the Department of Education:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/exclusive-in-02-romney-touted-d-c-connections-federal-funds/
Romney shouldn't be bragging about how HE saved the Olympics, but how WE saved the Olympics...
Imnotlost #1.61
RTFS @ 1.44, Let me count the ways Obama alludes to socialism. 1. Everybody pay their fair share.
2. Spread the wealth around. 3. Govt mandated and regulated health care. Socialism doesn't necesarily
mean the gov't owns and regulates the entire economy, just enough to operate their programs that make
the populace dependent on them, especially health care. Have you lately googled some of the European
countries and read the personal income tax rates? Obama wants to do the same thing here, except he wants
to cover it up by overtaxing the rich and very well to do
You are most definitely LOST!!! It’s nice to know that there are people out there advocating that NO ONE should pay THEIR FAIR SHARE!!! And what does your remark about “Spread the wealth around have to do with “Socialism”? You probably believe (because Faux news told you to) that the majority of people in the US and the President are looking for that “Redistribution of Wealth”, well, just as the name implies tells people that it was distributed to them in the first place and we would just like it back!!! Since the tax cuts have been in place the upper 1% have gotten richer and have not created jobs with their new found riches and we would like to have the money back…. If they aren’t going to create jobs then why give them our hard earned money!! You can give them yours if you want!!! I won’t stop you!!!
The fact is, and I hate to break the news to those on the right, but no matter if corporation and/ or the upper 1% paid nothing in taxes it wouldn’t create one single job because this doesn’t create jobs, demand creates jobs, everyday people buying products and services create jobs…it’s simple economics and that’s something that either the republicans know nothing about or they have been swindling the American people into thinking that by giving our money to the rich and corporate giants that it would somehow trickle down to us and create jobs!
This is just another one of the many lies perpetrated by the Republican Party! Created to weaken the middle class and bolster the upper 1%, designed to inhibit our ability to back either a political party or politicians of our choosing and give an even greater edge to those select billionaires to buy this country out from under us and If I were you I wouldn’t be worrying about Socialism or even Communism but rather an Oligarchy where the power and control lies in the hands of the few wealthiest, who will control everything from what you pay for food, shelter and even wages, forget about retirement or even health insurance, forget about 8 hour work days or education for your kids or your grandkids as it will be just like medieval Europe, welcome to serfdom !
Ram, I see you give the govt a lot of credit. Did you go to the courthouse and get down on your knees to get permission to open your business? Are you restricted to certain streets or roads, or prohibited from working a certain distance from home office? I think the answer is no. How much research did you do before you decided to settle down where you are now? People like to go to neighborhoods with good access, low crime, good schools low taxes, etc. but I don't know anywhere that has all these. They have to live or start a business where they can afford to.
The roads, schools, streets, water lines and everything else were built for the general public, the fact that it helps business is secondary. All around me are extensions of "city" water lines extending miles and miles to the country side and zero businesses are tacked on. I also know people and businesses who still have wells and are doing just fine, thank you.
NBCPropaganda.com is getting pretty desperate looking.
Looks like they're extremely frightened that Obama's statements will be taken for what they actually were rather than the attempted cover up the left wing tried to engage in last week to make it seem like he was referring to 'bridges and roads' when he said 'that' (not 'those'), instead of 'business'.
But you can't change what the President actually said.
So now it's on to trying to attempt to make it look like Romney said the same thing.
But oops...
Romney already praised the Olympic athletes for the individual accomplishments and used this statement as to transition to acknowledging the people who helped them along the way - not as a manner of saying those other people were responsible for where they were - but simply to thank the private actions of others including family and friends that helped support them.
That stands in stark contrast to the government Obama praised as the one owning the accomplishments of those who built their businesses.
But NBCPropaganda.com can't let that out, they're too frightened their and Obama's ideology are being exposed and people will reject it if they know what it is.
Most people commenting know absolutely nothing about starting or owning a business. If anything, government has more obstacles than are needed. As far as water and sewer it is still private sector that runs the lines for these modern conveniences. I was in a family business with a chain of furniture stores. Dealing with the local government is not easy. They no absolutely nothing about private sector and have a government mentality. Government makes it almost impossible to open a business. It is due to the foresight and determination of the public that has the strength to overcome the idiots in government. Government DOES NOT HELP IN BUSINESS! They are a hindrance.
Yer gosh dern right, guvment is a hindrance. I tried opening a lemonaid stand in the middle of the street, in front of my neighbors house, to sell marijuana brownies laced with heroin. The lemon-aid stand was a good guise to hide the fact the product was MJBrownies, placing the stand in the middle of the street ensured drive-thru accessibility, putting the stand in front of a neighbors house would keep the Feds off my back in case of a bust, and the heroin ensured repeat business.
But the goll-dern guvment stepped in with all kinds of ridiculous rules and regulations. For example, apparently their is a stupid regulation that says I can't operate a vending stand in the middle of the street. Then there is that stupid rule that I have to sell what I advertise (how stupid is that?). For some dumbass reason, I can't put additives in my product without disclosing it to my customers. Bottom line is - the damn government stopped me at every turn. What is this country coming to, I ask? To many damn rules and regulations, I tell ya!!
A business starts at a point in time. All the infrastructure that exists at that point in time was paid for previously. It is included in the assumption of the proposed business plan.
The business is born and grows, adding value and paying taxes/employing people who pay taxes that are used to generate additional business structure.
Everything the Business generates is added value. That added value was built by the business owner(s).
Liberals are not so ignorant to not understand this distinction. Clearly, if the Liberals think we should pay for everything that came before in addition to the value we add by creating business, then we need to write some checks to the Ancient Greeks for their philosophy, the Egyptians for pi, the Brits for Newtonian physics, to Serbia for Tesla's accomplishments, and to Nazi Germany for their rocket and medical research.
Where do I write my check for the invention of the wheel?
Now Romney was clear. Having known a couple of Olympic athletes who had to raise their own money through sponsorship, just to maintain a full time training regiment without having to work for a living he was spot on accurate.
I see where poverty rate is highest in 50 years - thank heavens for the Democrats war on poverty over the last 50 years (sarcasm).
Imnot, when did I say anything relating to what you seem to be arguing after my post? I said that when business, government, and the citizens the government and businesses serve all work together infrastructure is built and maintained, citizens have money to buy (at different levels depending on their education and employment) products and services, and government is funded enough to provide services that citizens and businesses need to thrive. The government doesn't and shouldn't provide everything, but since businesses exist at least mostly to turn a profit they can't either without putting stress on the citizens.
I didn't say that government built every single line for businesses, but they are for general use and we use them. They didn't build roads on public land for me, either, but I get to use them just while I am a work just as I do as a citizen. I have respect for hard work and private ingenuity, but I also respect the idea that I just don't have time to go contract out for each road patch, piece of mail, firefighter, and teacher, and I am happy to pay taxes to have someone centrally located to do that for me and my fellow businessmen and citizens. I don't see public sector jobs as something evil and I was happy to see the police show up when a hubcap flew up and shattered our front windshield while my spouse and kids were coming home. They notified me and told me where to find them, made sure they were okay, and I sure didn't have time to go organize the response, buy the radios they use and their cars, etc., but I did pay taxes to support those things.
No, I don't worship government and I don't agree with meaningless regulations. No, I don't want government telling me who I can love and how many children I should raise, and I don't want government to do more than it needs to do. What those who complain about big government often mean isn't related to government at all. It relates to what THEY want government to do. I want clean water and air and I want my kids to be able to breathe without getting sick. I want government to pass regulations that prohibit big corporations from ruining this planet in their greed, and I want reasonable safety regulations enforced.
I can think for myself, but I can't inspect every new type of car or toy, inspect new buildings or many of the things government can be good at doing IF the people we elect aren't to busy trying to score points and squash opponents to notice the bridge is falling and the school system needs more teachers, and that citizens are going bankrupt and hungry. If the FDA would actually work as a consumer protection agency I would be happy it is there as well, and I could go on but you perhaps get the point.
No, I'm not a fan of big government, but I don't believe for one split second that a person who tells me s/he wants to have small government and still wants religious beliefs to be forced on everyone disguised as laws...watch that government grow!!!!...or that people who seriously do need help as a hand up and not a hand out shouldn't get some. I can make money in my business without screwing people, and although I won't be a billionaire I can feed my family. If I can do that with a very small business, then a huge business with more resources can as well.
Government doesn't have to be big and we don't have to serve it, but we also shouldn't have to serve small interest groups' ideas of who should be allowed to live, private matters, and who is worthy. Lobbying and corruption have changed our system of government, but that doesn't mean the idea of a reasonable government can't work. We are supposed to be compromising for the common good instead of saying, "I will stop anything from happening unless you do things my way".
@ seeking sanity #1.76
No, I am saying, not implying, in my opinion, that all the other candidates were indeed better than this RINO progressive. And evidently you don't understand English or can't understand logic. What I said was the populace dropped support of the other candidates, i.e. funding, votes, etc based on many unfounded accusations and misrepresentations from the MSM. Makes it awfully hard for a candidate to continue without support from the populace, thus making it necessary to withdraw. I did not say they (the candidates) could not stand the heat.
e.g. How many times did the media report that Mitt was ahead in the polls and is seemed like he was the only candidate that could beat Obama? How many unsubstantiated claims of infidelity, impropriety or other salacious accusations were made? Comments taken out of context? I think you and I can agree most people will vote for a candidate based on perceptions rather than actual facts simple because most people don't have the time to research the facts, and the media definitely molds that perception.
(Of course to you the MSM only reports the truth and the facts in an unbiased fashion)(And no, not even I believe Fox News reports only the truth and facts)(Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, just like all the rest of the media, where rating are king, and the "facts" are adjusted accordingly)
Are you to mean, then, that a business owner, would not, could not believe that the MSM did not have a negative impact on a candidates campaign? And you accuse me of false logic.
And of course my assessment of the comments made by both parties is OPINION based on my beliefs, just as yours are, no facts required. (DUH). And just where were the facts in your original post? (HUH?) And did I call Obama an idiot? It does become difficult to have a reasonable discussion with people who have to resort to name calling.
And yes, we all pay for public education, (if you have a bedroom, you pay property taxes, it is included in the rent or the escrow in your house payment) My distinction was that, public education is now inundated with liberal ideology, as opposed to when I was in school and it was less prevalent.
Tell me, how would feel if the schools were all faith based, taught kids that it was not the government job to take care of you, and homosexuality was unnatural?
"The intelligence of a people is inversely proportional to the size of city and length of time spent there in." Robert Reedy 1980
"Don't find fault, find a remedy”. Henry Ford, from another business owner.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" another Democrat. (Did you ever think to substitute, government for country?) ("A government of the people...")
SeekingSanity,
#1.76 "And, we all pay for all student's education - yours included"
Nope. Wrong. I went to a Catholic High School, even tho my parents paid taxes which supported the public system. And, no, we were, by no stretch of the imagination, rich. Quite poor, actually. We had to pay for books, tuition, lunch, and transportation. Please spare me the argument that we used publicly-funded roads, etc.
....and what an incredible waste of time and money that was, and unless you walked everywhere you went YOU DID USE PUBLICLY FUNDED ROADS, and your business collects debts reliably because of PUBLICLY FUNDED COURTS, backed by legislators who passed....wait for it....PUBLICLY FUNDED and BACKED LAWS. Get a grip moron and while you're at it go back to school and this time pay attention.
drano,
Really a classy response. The problem with the philosophy espoused by Obama, and defended by individuals with views such as yours, is that I think there are very few people who actually think, believe, or are of the opinion that there should be zero federal government involvement in our lives, or that personal achievements and success are the result of individual actions in a complete social, political and governmental vacuum. That, I think, is at the crux of the defense of the liberal view that includes expansion of the federal government: reduce the conservative view of LESS government to absurdity (reductio ad absurdum) by suggesting the opposing view is NO federal government involvement, in any way, shape or form.
The problem, as I see it, with an expanding federal government, is that it is less and less efficient and entrenches those who utilize this expansion to increase dependency on that government. If you don't see a problem, or the potential for a problem, with that, then that's simply the way it is.
By the way, my response was very specific, as it responded to the contention that 'we all pay for all student's (sic) educatiojn - yours included.'
You, and many others on this board, and not just of the liberal persuasion, could do with a bit of a refresher in civility.
Despite that, have a nice day.
This is the best the left can come up with the athletes didn't make it on their own they got help from their parents, coaches, community. Where did he say GOVERNMENT! There is no comparison. When our athletes are trained by the state run government like China, North Korea and others then you can make your ridiculous comparison. As far as Romney referring parents, coaches, he was speaking the true who supported these athletes dreams by driving them to practices, paying for their coaching, equipment, etc. Coaches who gave their time and saw the potential in the athlete. Communities that gave support to their athletes may be through fund raising. What did government have to do with our olympic althetes nothing just like they have nothing to do with business success.
....and you, fair and balanced, could use a dose of reality. The problem as I see it is that the conservative view has turned into and all or nothing proposition. Instead of engaging in compromise, you insist on holding on to rigid views on issues such as social responsibility ranging from safety nets for the less fortunate, responsible stewardship of the environment, and the notion that the wealthy are the job creators and the engine of the global economy and the remaining 99% are economic parasites, while in reality it's the 99% who are the consumers who create the demand for the products that in turn propagate jobs....I could make the case that it's the hoarders of wealth who are the economic parasites. Btw...I'll have that nice day you recommended knowing that the civility you hide behind is nothing more than the typical subterfuge offered up instead of an honest discussion of the facts.
drano,
I spent quite time developing a point-by-point response, but reconsidered your
"I'll have that nice day you recommended knowing that the civility you hide behind is nothing more than the typical subterfuge offered up instead of an honest discussion of the facts."
and realized you have seen through my facade, and that there is no point in trying to deceive you any further. Carpe diem.
The same can be said about Obama the racist bigot.
Obama the racist bigot and his building of welfare states.
the new executive order will create a new White House Initiative on Educational Excellence for African-Americans that will "work across Federal agencies and with partners and communities nationwide to produce a more effective continuum of education programs for African American students."
order will seek to improve educational achievement for African Americans at all levels "so every child has greater access to a complete and competitive education from the time they're born to the time, all through the time they get a career" the president said
I guess all the Whites, Asians and Hispanics will have to keep on studying to get theirs huh? atlease they won't be so iliterate they kill each other in the streets of Englewood.
"you didn't get that on your own, Obama gave it to you" More dependant on the government than ever (from birth to career).
So if they never get a job it's from birth to death! Obama signed a life time of welfare for African Americans. By Executive Order.
Oh, pshaw...you can't hold Mr. Romney accountable for a statement he made 5 minutes ago let alone 10 years ago.
Well liberals have spent the past 3.5 years not holding Obama accountable for anything, which includes everything he said prior to the election. Liberal hypocrisy marches on.
Agree with Rick...where's the unemployment been for the past 40+ months? Where's the current deficit? Hell, where's a frickin' budget? Gitmo still open....almost half of American households on some form of govt assistance; almost half of American households paying NO FED INCOME TAXES!!!!!
Just like you liberals won't hold the occupant in the WH to his promises that he's broken over and over again. Unite the nation? Most transparent admin? Holding people accountable? It's more of a comedy than anything else and what's even funnier is people like you that keep parroting the talking points you're given -- guess that's one way to keep the welfare check coming. Try working, it's the FAIR and responsible thing to do and then oh yeah you too can pay YOUR fair share.
Do I flip today or do I flop today - Willard has such hard decisions to make every day.
Rick, jwilson, and dotties girl, go back to Yahoo. You're not welcome in the liberal, I mean, common sense section of social media.
You do know Mitty pleaded with the Gov. to Bail out the 2002 Olympics don't you. He he pleaded with Bush to pay THOUSANDS SO he could be the Big Shot in the spot light. Where was his big donors then..humm? Mitt will grovel when he needs to. That's why he lies so much.( has to to stop the big boys from bullying him) Tell the minnows what they want to here. And he is off the hook...for now.
Rick, Jwil, Dottie - perhaps liberals are logical people, and understand that EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT has made pre-election promises that they just cant or wont ever fulfill.
There are lots of things Obama hasnt succeeded on that drive me mad, but then there's lots of other things he has done that offset the failures.
I cant hold him accountable for a lack of budget when he's got a hostile congress that is doing their best NOT to work with him. It's just not gonna happen.
As for the transparency...no one ever should have bought that, it was fools gold from the start.
Uniting the nation? Well Bush Jr wanted to do that too - and it didnt work out so well. So are you going to hold Obama MORE responsible for failing at this than Bush? Doesnt make sense...does it?
Im not delusional, I know that IF Romney is elected, he'll fail to deliver on whatever he's been promising too...and republicans, including you 3, will ignore those failures.
Thats how our political system works...and if you're too dumb to be aware of this, there's no helping you.
The best part, we're simply reusing the republican attacks from 2004 that you guys used against Kerry, against Romney.
it worked then, im certain it'll work now...FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP...oh isnt politics FUN?
maybe we'll get lucky and find a ex-mormon who went overseas with romney while he avoided getting drafted to nam and Romney can get swift boated by being called out for a whore while overseas, rather than doing his godly work...it doesnt have to be true, just so long as people believe it during the election.
THANKS FOR WRITING THE PLAYBOOK, MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO WIN.
jwilson1234 and all righties.
Obama is responsible for the state this country is in. However, what about the GOP? What about Congress? Do you forget the environment that BUSH, Congress and every person in our government passed along to the Obama administration? Do we just forget the 11 trillion that was passed along and those interest payments? Do we just 'assume' that everyone who is receiving assistance "IS" because they paid into the system and are entitled to receive that back?
Do your homework and connect all the dots... not just the ones you think should be connected.
Unite the nation - impossible given the fact that on the day of his inaguration the opposing faction named him public enemy #1, and are laser focused on him failing. Can't unite those who are actively prosecuting your downfall, and blaming that on the President is flat out bull@!$%#e...
Transparent admin - grandiose goal that has been worked hard at, although not attianed. i will say this though, i'd prefer to see the level of transparency that this administration has provided than the prior one did...
speaking of parroting talking points, pot meet kettle. didn't take long to put in your welfare dig as prescribed by rushbo and co. too bad that greed has occupied the place that was used for thought in your body. So concerned and certain that you are the only one working in this country, and anyone who disagrees with your opinion must be a worthless deadbeat.
Funny that you always hate in others that which you despise the most about yourself. Let go of the hate, and everything gets much better...
Let's be honest about it, you should ask McConnell, Cantor and the stripper always standing behind them in photo shoots why unemployment is so high and why they haven't voted for any of the numerous jobs bills that were presented to them, instead being focused on making Obama a one term president. That's the real reason why unemployment is as high as it is. I mean if you really want the truth you have to ask those questions first....
FOR THOES TRADS WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOMETHING!!!
the USOC is NOT a govt funded source, it is done by donations.
so where do you think the donations comefrom?
well it aint the govt!!!
try the private sector!!!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2012/07/18/american-olympians-competing-for-gold-in-archery-and-weightlifting-find-timely-financial-support/
oh but since you people are retards, then the govt DOES pay for it since they used the roads to make money?!
OHHHHH BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!!
you want to read into that, then I OWN THE ROADS CAUSE IT WAS MY TAX DOLLARS THE SUBSDIZE THE ROAD TO BE BUILT AND CREATED YOUR PROFIT!!!
SO YOUR WELCOME!!!
OMG really - the Olympics Romney "made profitable" were bailed out with GOVERNMENT MONEY! Although you're partially right - the Olympics are SUPPOSED to be privately funded.
WRONG!
As for his experience running the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics, Romney says, “”the whole winter games was a combination of the federal, state and local governments along with private enterprise.”
EXCLUSIVE:
In ’02 Romney Touted D.C. Connections, Federal Funds - ABC News
NOW YOU ARE WELCOME!
There is a big difference between Obama's "You need the government." argument and Mitt's "friends and family helped you" comments. Those trying to draw a straight line between them are stretching the string very hard.
I do not think that Obama or Romney is the best person for the job but since you are making me choose between them. Who should we vote for? The one that thinks government should run every part of your life or the one that has been succesfull and thinks you can be too?
No, Rick. I, as a "liberal" (you say it like it's a bad word, but I embrace it!) hold Obama accountable for a ton of things. Like universal healthcare, moving LGBT equality forward, equal pay for women, getting bin Laden (let's be honest, if he had been captured/killed on Bush's watch, we would have never heard the end of it from the right), helping the auto industry get back on its feet... He's not perfect, and nobody ever expects that from a president (or shouldn't), as no president has ever been perfect, but it's going to be hard for anyone to tout Romney as the "better choice" and be able to back it up with facts.
Typical of Party of No members who inhabit multiple universes at the same time.
Consider what Romney once believed, before flip-flopping for political expediency:
1. Pro cap and trade
2. Pro gay marriage
3. Pro Affordable Care Act (when it was Romneycare)
4. Pro-Choice
5. Pro Assault Rifle Ban
What a hypocrite.
Wow team Obama (oh I mean NBC news) is digging pretty deep to find something to bail out the chosen one (Obama) on his latest gaffe. Romney mentioning family and friends to athletes so in not in the same class as Obama say you do not deserve your success as a business the government gave it to you (implying that he will now expect his share and more).
rgmoon ...
I don't need someone like Mitt Romney to be a "cheerleader" for this country. I need someone who has picked himself up from a lot of unfortunate circumstances and is trying to move this country forward with a heckofalota hindrances from the Congress that we all voted for. Think about that and then come back and tell me how we can all turn into little "Mitts."
rgmoon:
cool strawman bro
Its amazing to see how many people still believe that Republicans, of any stripe, want opportunity and success for them. I used to think that way; it took all of 8 years for me to wise up and realize that the Republican Party wants me to "support" the poor, poor, mistreated, wealthy people. There were no opportunities; trust me, I tried in just about every way (except outright dishonesty). Look, the Dems might not be much better, but better to any degree is still better.
Let me get this straight: "you didn't become an Olympian on your own, give thanks to all those who supported you" is now being equated with "you didn't build that business on your own, give us your money"???
That's just brilliant.
So Olympic Athletes somehow = small business owners, and the govt somehow = loving family?
You fake libs and your fake President have finally jumped the shark.
Jessica-1170252 "I cant hold him accountable for a lack of budget when he's got a hostile congress that is doing their best NOT to work with him."
So what happened when Obama had his first 2 years with a Democratic Congress and still couldn't get a Budget done.
In the last 32 years there has been 24 years where there was a different party controlling either the White House or part of Congress, yet they seemed to get things done - in fact, all 8 of Reagan's years were with at least part of Congress controlled by Democrats, and 6 of Clinton's 8 years were with a Republican Congress (including all of the 'Surplus' years), yet they seemed to be able to get things done.
Why is it that only Obama that can't get anything meaningful done - in fact, he refuses to even try to work with the half of Congress controlled by Republicans - all he does is complain, and he can't even get his Democratic controlled Senate to agree to his programs.
Leaders find a way to get things done - Failures find someone to blame.
Seriously can we at least get the comment right about what Obama said and stop contorting it to make it sound like it wasn't intented to sound. At least when Romney says something no one has to contort it and make things up by splicing words to make it sound different than it was intended. When we can do that at least we can have an honest discussion and until then GFY.
@ John, I am sure the President also said teachers and communities helped the business founders. Not just the government. Saying that, I highly doubt any inventor would argue against the government patents to protect their ideas. Many college grads can even thank the government or Fasa for helping them get their loans or grants. I guess it's wrong when the President of the United States say it??
This is clearly a ridiculous comparison. Had Obama said "Business owners, you didn't get here entirely on your own" we would have had a different discussion.
Mr Speech Maker in Chief chooses every word, and every inflection for maximum result. He said "...you didn't build that".
Now that the statist-in-chief wants to backtrack and say that is not what he meant, well sorry, but the inflection and the words were arrogantly crystal clear. "You didn't build that" means an entirely different thing than "you didn't get here entirely on your own".
Only a fool would argue that the two are remotely the same.
This is particularly galling. A yahoo right wing with no interest in uniting anything hijacks the Republican party and then turns around and accuses the president of being polarizing.
Your "promises" are all straw men. What has Obama not done that he said he would?
The fact that MSNBC had to go back 10 years to dig up something so minuscule and off topic shows me how desperatre you liberals have become and how pathetic this worthless piece of crap news site is. As an independent I am sick of listing to each side bicker while nothing gets accomplished. You are all pathetic!!
And on that note, I will now find a new home page as NBC you have shown me your true worth. Good bye MSNBC sheep but please, do some research other than what you read on this @!$%#ty site before you cast your vote.
Sounds like sour grapes to me - you dash in for Drive-by assault on the President - with a pitiful Sound bite "I approve this message" travesty of deception. But before you can get away - you end up having to defend the indefensible.
As for the complaint ... the Birthers, and the GOP, are still going back over 50 years, wasting millions - not to mention thousands of man-hours... to dispute a Birth Certificate? Again?
Trump played that, now you have corrupt cop, Arizona's Sheriff Joe Arpaio says that volunteer investigators working for him have concluded that President Obama’s birth certificate is not legitimate, yes folks, hes digging in that same bone pile ... again.
The most common, Government document any of us have. No one has a hissy fit over Birth certificate, most of us toss them out somewhere between the time our parents have control of important records and the time we become adult enough to take care of them our self.
Yes, if Romney said something which caught him play games with a speech today - trying to dodge the fact that he said nearly the same thing. It's for damn sure a good thing to turn his pretentious prattling back on the source. Its not all that hard to pull up old speeches to bring a little "truth" into this so far exercise in how much trash can mitt spread around ... with out it blowing bask on him.
Accept the fact... your boy will do anything, pick fight over the least little thing to score a few points. Its takes integrity as well as money to get people to vote for you. Now, we all know Mittens has money, but does he have soul? So far - the jury is still out on that.
When you play the scorched earth game, its seems a little whiney to complain when you get caught in your own "backfire".
Jessica,
Among other things, you posted
"I cant hold him accountable for a lack of budget when he's got a hostile congress that is doing their best NOT to work with him. It's just not gonna happen."
He didn't have a hostile Congress until the beginning of 2011, when House control went to the Republicans. The Senate has yet to do anything on a budget, and it is rather late.
"As for the transparency...no one ever should have bought that, it was fools gold from the start." Gee, what does that imply, in general terms, that we shouldn't listen to anything anyone says, or worse (better ?), not hold them accountable?
I want to adress Maurice, who claims the President was taken out of context. This is a common excuse people make for Obama.
BS. I saw the entire speech. If anything, in context it's even worse.
Here is the entire quote:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
The govt does not have a single dollar that it did not first take from you and me.
They take our money and spend it. For them to turn around and act like we owe them for spending OUR money is the height of hypocrisy.
Complete and utter Bull S4It.
I gaurantee you that if you personally hired "Joe's Road Building Company" to build a road, it would cost you waaaaayyyyyy less than if the government hired the same company to do the exact same job.
Of Course, if "Steve's Road Builders" were a big enough campaign donor, well, you know..... they get the contract, and screw the costs. It's only taxpayer money, after all. Forget about what company is the best value.
The government has NO MONEY.
We The People provide the money.
Isn't that amazing? Old plastic Mittens, spends all last week blurbling the lines taught to him by his corporate masters, and he can't begin to discern how INSANE he sounds when the next week, he preaches the opposite.
How do ANY of you take Mittens seriously?
newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
Isn't that amazing? Old plastic Mittens, spends all last week blurbling the lines taught to him by his corporate masters, and he can't begin to discern how INSANE he sounds when the next week, he preaches the opposite.
How do ANY of you take Mittens seriously?
newday,
The same way you do FOX NOISE since he getrs is cues from them
Maddow Blog's Steve Benen Explains How Romney Is Taking His Cues From Fox News
LOL, R-money is a copy cat. Who knew?
LOL, coming from someone that gets their thought from and copy cats maddow.
edit : Romney gets his cues from FOX NOISE !!!
trudat6445
LOL, coming from someone that gets their thought from and copy cats maddow.
That's right the truth only comes from FOX NOISE. NOT! you are a lemming heading to cliff.
If only i was pathetic enough to post a second post because i didnt appropriately re-label a name in a petty liberal way.
Im only heading towards a cliff (that liberalism is driving us off), you however have already jumped.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
What a CLOWN!!!
Who thanks to ME... are standing here wearing uniforms made in Burma & flag pins made in China!
Feisty, Let's not forget Clown Romney outsourced the production of the 2002 Olympics uniforms to Burma.
But, he won't tell anyone that just like his tax returns, Bain Capital, LIBOR, and his computer he scrubbed after leaving govern-ship in MA.
NewDay---we're supposed to vote for Mitt because of his business expertise in running successful organizations. Then we find out that the man who has been running for President since at least 2008 hasn't set up his finanances in a way that would pass public scrutiny and has failed to set up a campaign organization that has done basic research to find out what public statements its candidate has made. Doesn't inspire confidence in me.
Bev, he didn't scrub his computer(s). He took ALL the hard drives so everything he needed to cover up was all done at once.
Rule Number One: Never believe ANY politician who wants to be elected. They will cater to the lowest common denominator to win
That's right trudat. OFFTHECLIFF is going to restore sanity to our country in January.
phinephancy - nor the politician who wants to get RE-ELECTED. What's funny is during the 08 campaign, Obama said that if a candidate can't run on his record, he demonizes his opponent and makes him into someone to run from....boy, that's exactly what Obama is doing now! All you libs on here don't defend Obama's record (which is a record of failure), you trash Romney. Again, liberal hypocrisy!!!!
How do you hold a pathelogical LIAR in high esteem. O has been caught lying, it's on tape and all those broken promises. Worst of all the only thing he can do is point fingers at everyone and everything else -- isn't even MAN enough to admit he was in over his head and try to work and get cabinet members to assist him that know what THEY are doing. But you're boy is narcissistic enough to blame everyone but himself because his ego is HUGE and won't let him. Shame on you and your ilk!
Dotties girl: Source required.
You need help with that anger you carry around. You come across as irrational with every post you make.
So what bothers you the most? That your President is a Democrat, or that he is black?
Dotties girl, I suppose you also think that Obama is going to force us to eat broccoli since the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare?
If you believe everything you say then you are just as delusional as the crazies in Faux News.
dotties girl
Cupcake it sure looks to me that you are the one "pointing" fingers. I fell sorry your Hope-full (Mittins) is such a disappointment. He is so hiding something (lots of stuff) that he has to try to get the spot light off from All his Short comings. Bain, Health Care Mandate when Gov., Animal Cruelty, Mormonism, Out sourced Jobs, Tax returns,(annie knows best..."You People" do Not need to Know) Draft dodger, Hey toots the list goes on.
Where are the real GOP"S.? The rest of you "tea" crowed have ruined this country. Traitors all.
dotties girl
You can lead a horse to water but if it is a democratic horse he will complain to you that the water is better somewhere else so you need to take them to that spot. And they will not walk you have to carry them or provide other free transportation for them. And after it is all done the way they want they will curse you and tell you it was your fault and demand beer.
Pathetic really but that is their life.
Shocked (not!) to see the civility that many posters observed last week all but gone. Without a doubt, MSNBC has become the most angry voice on the internet since there TV ratings are in the tank. Really, we are complaining that Romney thanked parents for helping their kids get to the olympics. Of course government supports the Olympics....it is the only positive thing we export; everything else we import from China.
Jessica, that's right the line flip flop did first come from the Republicans in "04" against Kerry. But Republicans can't take it when it's dished out to their canidate. One thing is for sure, Kerry was not and Romney is. The reason Kerry was called that was because he gave Bush the authorization to go to war in Iraq if there was weapons of mass destruction, and since there was not, and Kerry became against the war, that's why. Romney's reason for being called a flip flopper is that he is one.
Every politician is a flip flopper if he / she has been in office more than a few years. Call it what you will, but most of us do go through life and learn from it. For some it makes us more liberal, for others, more conservative, and for some, more libertarian or more moderate.
This constant name calling is not only childish, but it completely misses the point. Romney has flip flopped on many issues, but he has also been very consistent on others. Same goes for Obama. That Mitt has 14 years on Obama and a completely different life experience means that he has had much to consider.
The knuckleheads constantly screaming hate filled extremes with no personal knowledge of either person and only what they read or hear are not responsible people, they are partisan, and many are simply filled with hate or rage. Reading through posts online, it is clear that a few hundred people routinely post to these news sites. Most of the posting is nonsense.
Thank god that most (99%+) Americans pay no attention to this drivel.
MisterWonderful,
"Thank god that most (99%+) Americans pay no attention to this drivel."
I can only hope that is close to accurate.
MisterWonderful, of course everyone changes there minds every once in a while if they come to the realization that they made a mistake, but that is not what is meant by flip flopping, to flip flop is to contantly change your mind at every turn, in the dictionary for flip flopping you will see a picture of Romney.
and I say to Mittens: YOU didn't get here on your own either. There was your dad, who was governor and paid for private schooling (where you got bullying practice), and there was the support of liars and Nixon leftovers Rove and Cheney. Lets not forget the Koch Brothers intense smear campaign against your opponents. You sir, stand on the shoulders of others, which considering their stature makes you a little better than pond scum.
Obama attended the church of Rev Wright. Has friends like anarchist Bill Ayers. Is funded by George Soros and the labor unions. Pond scum is no where near descriptive enough for that group. Yet we have Obama, the product of affirmative action, which makes me wonder how many more deserving students were cheated so Obama could take advantage of the system?
Rick, is there no limit on your hate and lies you will tell about President Obama?
Apparently not.
Rev. Wright...blah, blah, Bill Ayers...blah blah...Muslim...blah blah...Birth Certificate...blah blah...
Rick, what year is it on your planet? That crap is not only old, its been disproven. Don't believe me? If it had some legs to it don't you think every Super PAC would be all over it?
Lies? You mean Obama didn't attend Rev Wrights church? Obama isn't a friend of Bill Ayers? Obama isn't being funded by George Soros and big labor unions? Obama isn't a recipient of affirmative action? But I am confused to hear you feel it is old news, some of it was ongoing during the Bush years which you feel is still relevant. More hypocrisy or are you living in the Twilight Zone?
Campaign season hasn't even begun for Romney, as he is not yet the Republican nominee. When it does this fall, you can rest assured the real Obama will be beamed into every household on a regular basis. This won't be some civil campaign from a wax figurine like McCain, Obama will be vetted like never before. Right now Obama is throwing everything at Romney and still sinking in the polls, just wait until the bell for round one rings.
careful with that word "vetted", especially around a candidate that refuses to release tax documents that his own party is calling for. Bell for round one? Mittens the Clown has been running since 2004 for this job. You would think that with 12 years of practice he would be much farther up in the polls, not behind. And save the "he's not the offical nominee" bull@!$%#. If anyone else gets the nomination at the convention the whole Republican party would implode. If you are waiting for round one you already missed out, there was a little thing called primaries a few months ago. You can go back to your planet now, we don't have any more use for you. Your entertainment value is dropping.
In the latest Hill Poll more people blame Obama for the economy. So it appears only liberals are hanging on to the blame Bush mantra, and it isn't working. Poll after poll now has Obama sinking, I guess blame and excuses might not be a winning argument for a second term.
More than a third of likely voters -- 34 percent -- fault President Barack Obama most for the country’s lethargic economy over the past few years, making him the top culprit in a new poll from The Hill.
And a 53 percent majority of respondents in the poll say Obama has taken the wrong actions on the economy, slowing it down, while just 42 percent say he has taken the correct actions to revive the economy.
Even worse for Obama, 37 percent of independents, who will likely determine the election’s outcome, blame him for the nation's dire economic straits. Another 29 percent blame Congress, 20 percent blame financial institutions and corporations, and 9 percent blame Bush.
Overall, after Obama, 23 percent of the respondents blame Congress the most, 20 percent blame financial institutions and corporations, and 18 percent blame former President George W. Bush.
Among independents, 59 percent say Obama has done the wrong things for the economy, while 36 percent say he’s done the right things.
For a sitting president to be even or behind in the polls at this point in the race is an ominous signal. Even Carter held a lead in the polls over Reagan at the same point, and lost by 10. History could be repeating itself. Round one will be the fall campaign season, and only a fool thinks anyone will still care about the primaries.
Rick - again with the Faux News/Limbaugh nonsense. Bill Ayers and Obama served on a board together - were never close friends. And, of course you know that Ayers actions took place when President Obama was a small child - something he knew nothing about.
Ayers and President Obama were both professors at UofC - something Obama had no control over.
Please - try not to be so ridiculous!
Obama/Biden 2012
How interesting that you didn't mention Romney's Job Credentials. These are a few things that will be 'beamed' into American's homes.
1. I forgot where I worked for 3 years
2. I forgot where I put my money.
3. I forgot I outsourced American Jobs and received a tax credit for doing it.
4. I forgot that I already invented ObamaCare
5. I forgot how much money I made.
6. I forgot I bulleted students in school. I did apologize for it though, but I didnt make one campaign promise to end it.
7. I forgot how many I left Jobless.
8. I forgot what America stands for.
9. I really don't have an economic plan, but I want you to think I do.
ItsAboutTime . . . .Excellent post, but I do have to correct you on one little thing ... Mittens DOES have an economic plan! It's to overhaul the tax code to suit his backers and just cheer everyone on!!! And if that doesn't make everyone happy, his GWB-backers will help to remind him of all the "great" they did for this country and that Mitt can just continue with that . . . . /s
It astonishes me that people so comfortably attack a wildly successful man like Romney who has succeeded inside the system using current laws, much like the beloved Steve Jobs, while overlooking the multi-trillion dollar disaster that is Obama.
By any economic measure Obama has failed. His $800 billion stimulus failed, as he projected by 2012 unemployment would be down to 5.7% if we spent the extra $800 billion. Family income is down, net worth has plummeted, foodstamp use is at an all time high, we are about to his poverty levels not seen since the 60's, and Obama has spent 4 working months golfing (100 rounds at 6 hours each) while spending -0- hours with his jobs council in 2012.
Make fun of Romney all you like, our current President is a goof off and a failure by any reasonable economic measure. Now he seems bent on seeding the CBO with his own people to skew Obamacare cost estimates, which have grown from under $1 trillion to $2.3 trillion and counting.
We need a professional, a guy who understands economics and government. Mitt Romney understands both, and is pro business. If the economy grows, government revenue grows with it. Let's do that for a while.
What amazes so many, is the fact that this foolish man, Willard Romney the talking buffoon is the Republican choice for President of the United States.
It is all over for the republican party, very sad. Where is a voice for the conservative? We have enough liberal opinions everywhere.
So Mr. Romney is foolish? I would say it is a sad day for America when a hard working, industrious family man with good morals and ethics is condemned as being foolish. You know not of which you speak. I have lost all respect for liberals from this hate filled diatribe of a thread. I guess if all else fails, call someone a name, right? Cyber bullies abound, brave at the keyboard.
Yes, and a lying empty suit that would anyone out for a buck.
Just me - can you say "hypocrite?" You typify the word when you talk about hated filled diatribe and leave the far right wingers out. But then, hypocrisy is what we've come to expect from Republicans like you!
Obama/Biden 2012
Wow - listen to the howls of outrage from the right! How dare Mittens suggest a thing of our Olympic athletes? That's downright communist!
@Justme-1556060 - If you think Romeny is 'hard-working'. 'industrious', 'moral' and 'ethical' you have a deeply bizarre sense of those words. 'Heinously amoral pond scum that was gifted almost everything he has' is more like it.
This sounds more like Obama! Did he ever have a real job where he was responsible for anything, ie. performance, profit/loss, meeting payrolls, etc.? The short answer is NO!
@Job1: right you are, in fact Dilbert might have finally found the missing head for M.T. Suit in Romney.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the GOP continues to discount the importance of technology at every opportunity and it is seriously hurting them (and their policies). This is just more evidence that their own IT team didn't do an appropriate amount of research on his past positions and statements so he would have a response ready for the inevitable returned fire from the Obama / DNC team. But when you say dumb stuff most of the time, it's hard to attract as many smart volunteers.
Wake up Now: You will be welcome in the YAHOO! News comment sections.... Please use that news source from now on. Also, enjoy seeing articles about the braindead Kardashians that pop up everyday.... Clearly, Yahoo was meant for conservatives and GOP. Good-bye!
kimposibl,
The theory of debate is clearly beyond you.
jwilson1234 - "Did he ever have a real job where he was responsible for anything, ie. performance, profit/loss, meeting payrolls, etc.? The short answer is NO!"
Professors are not responsible for those particular things, but does that mean teaching is not a "real job"? I know you all don't think community organizing is a "real job", but I'd like to see you try to do it. Is being a lawyer a "real job"?
I actually think the President is doing a pretty good job, considering the obstacles that the right keeps throwing at him. I also think intelligence is a better qualification for being President than business experience. Especially the kind of business experience that CEO's of big corporations seem to acquire these days. They have not been conducting themselves in a way that inspires a lot of confidence lately.
BINGO! CEO's of corporations these days are showing us what the business world is like now. A bunch of guys who's sole objective is to get wealthy while screwing everyone else. GREED. Sorry I don't want a 'business man' in the White House. They've lost credibility.
At Job1
"Yes, and a lying empty suit that would anyone out for a buck."
It is amazing how different people see different things. If I had not seen your pro-Obama sign I would swear the sentence above was about Obama.
kimposibl, I read this five times ...
All I can garner from that is that the Kardashians are news to you??? I don't get the rest of it.
Newspeople are those that actually care about stories, stand in the rain to deliver and/or hear a speech, those that put their families aside to bring home a story to let us know what is going on in this world. The Kardashians? Other than showing up once in awhile on my MSN homepage are not news. I don't know who they are, nor do I care. The people that make NEWS is this country should be the ones that are continually fighting for the good of this country.
If I misinterpreted what your intention of your post was, I apologize. As noted above, I couldn't understand it.
Obama/Biden 2012
Mitt Romney won the Gold in Men's Flip-Flopping, in the 2008 Olympics.
and it looks like he's going for it again in 2012!
Heck Romney will probably win the gold, silver and bronze in flip-flopping in 2012.
He's got the elevator already to easily transport them to a secure location.
When Romney changes his mind he is a flip flopper. When Obama changes his mind he is evolving. It is amazing to me that liberals are able to keep all of their standards straight. It really doesn't matter to anyone but a liberal what you can concoct to call a pile of dog poo that has been painted pink, the vast majority still just see dog poo. It might be possible to accept the liberal point of view at times, if it were not for all the hypocrisy.
If you can find anything Romney has not changed his mind on you might call it evolving. If you have changed your stance on every thought you ever had I would call that major flip-flopping not evolving.
First Romney promised the women voters he would protect their right to choose. Now he promises to overturn Roe v Wade.
Romney even promised to be more liberal that Kennedy towards the gays. Now he promises to take their right to marry away.
Romney promised jobs if elected governor and then outsourced government jobs to India to afford more tax cuts for the rich.
Once Romney knew and stated in an interview that blind trust were a ruse used by the rich to claim to not be responsible for their own investments. Now Romney claims to not have any knowledge or power over his blind trust.
While Romney used 1.3 billion dollars of free money from the government to save the Olympics, Romney then saved the Olympics all by himself without help from anyone.
Just because Romney signed paperwork claiming to be CEO and 100% stockholder of Bain is not proof that he had anything to do with Bain in the land of Mitt Believe. Don't trust your eyes and what you see, Romney wants you to believe whatever he tells you.
Bernie Madoff was a good businessman con artist too, but do you really want to elect Romney the flip-flopping con artist as president?
If Romney was anywhere as near as honorable as republicans claim him to be he would be releasing 10 years of tax returns today.
I'll repeat for the dull minded. If Romney was anywhere as near as honorable as the republicans claim him to be he would be releasing 10 more years of tax returns today.
But lets not vet Romney and just let us all hope he is as open and honest as Bernie Madoff.
VOTE FOR AMERICA...VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012
Rick,
"Flip-flopping" is more charitable than "devolving," which is what Romney's changes of mind have actually shown him doing. "Evolving" is when you change your mind to something objectively better. See the difference?
If he released all this tax returns what good would that do? It would just give more of the past for people on each side to fight over. It would not change anything about the future. I am more interested in the ideas that either Obama or Romney have about the future of America. All I seem to hear from Obama is that government will fix everything. I do not agree that more government is what we need. To quote Ronald Regan "as government expands, freedom contracts". If we are to be free to be all we can be we need less government, not more. I know Mitt is not perfect but at least he believes in the American people. Obama only believes in himself and more government.
rgmoon, has Mr. Romney revealed to you what he plans to do in the future to fix the US economy? Please enlighten the rest of us. All I have seen is he plans more tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation of everything. Since that didn't work when Bush tried it, how do you figure it will turn out differently when Romney does it?
rgmoon,
We don't necessarily need more government or less government, we just need the right government. Obama put his trust in the American people four years ago, and what did they do? They rewarded the GOP's obstructionism with more seats in Congress. Ironically, that left the American people more "on their own" than before. How do you think that's been working out for us so far?
Dicks,
#6 "Mitt Romney won the Gold in Men's Flip-Flopping, in the 2008 Olympics."
One example on flip-flopping: Would you happen to recall Obama's statement in 2006 as to why he voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling, and compare that to last year, when he exhorted Congress to vote to raise the debt ceiling? I'm sure the answer will, at best, be Dan Ratheresque, i.e., "Yes, comma but . . . "
That's agreeable the president is not that important we need to vote out all those idiot democrat's that have pushed the idiot legislation through.
Down South - you seem to not understand that a Democracy elects representation that represents the MAJORITY interests of the CONSTITUENTS!
If you are of the opinion that the Republican representation has represented anything other than the slim minority veiw you are living in a fantasy world!
That is a RePubCon for you.
I can tell from your grammar and lack of punctuation that Down_South is indeed a native.
His moniker says all about down-south you would ever want to know.
These Reps and Dems are two sides of the same coin. I bet you didn't know that there are two other people running for president. Jill Stein of the Green Party and Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party have access to 306 and 325 electoral votes respectively (270 needed to win). The Green Party is on 22 state ballots and the Libertarian Party is on 30 ballots. Additionally, there are other 3rd party candidates, but they do not have access to the 270 electoral votes needed to win (as of today). People need to turn off the television and do some independent research on all of the candidates in order to develop an informed opinion by which they can make a decision on November 6. Don't forget your senators (if applicable) and representatives too. It would be pretty funny to see the look on the faces of the dems and reps if the American people elected a 3rd party candidate and they wasted all that money...
Concerned, the GOP has the majority in the House and is a slim minority in the Senate. Based on your statement above, this means that the Republican view of things is a bit more mainstream than libs like to suggest; otherwise, libs would have an OVERWHELMING majority in both houses of Congress!
down...south
You must remember the Party of 'NO"..?? Think real hard...wait for it..wait for it..
Ok I'll remind you of some facts. The Party of NO (think teas & spinless Rep. in the house) Have stoped any bill that would have helped this country, so they could boot Lick the Big Boys for More money. They refuse to vote on ANY JOBS bill that would stop the flow of Big Corp. from out sourceing. (think Mitt & Bain)and create jobs, they would rather Cut SS. (think Vouchers-kill grandma)
The list is long..your memory is short.They voted "NO' schools/education,"NO to fire departments/firefighters,"NO"to roads/bridges/Jobs, "No" to confirm state judges (think Mike Lee) "NO" to Anything productive! BUT wait It gets better.
YES to Big Tax cuts (and more of them) for the Rich, Banks, Oil, Coal, Welfare for numerous Corporations. They have turned into the party of "NO-Morals"
jwilson1234,
The Republican view of things is easier to sell, because it is more simplistic. The Republican majority in Congress is evidence of the declining state of education in this country, because more and more voters are turning out to be too simple-minded to grasp the complex truths of reality.
You people are so predictable. NBC throws you a bone, you all go chasing after it, bringing it back to your master, and panting for another. You're all so good!
It is hilarious, isn't it? Talking about our Olympians, who are mainly teenagers or very young adults and saying they did not get there on their own is way different that saying someone in their 30's - 50's or older did not build a business on their own.
If Republicans themselves held Romney accountable for his rhetoric, you might have some ground to complain about the media pointing ot his flip flops.
Google this:
Middlesex Truck & Coach "industrial revenue bond"
Then come back and tell us what an "industrial revenue bond" is
When Romney changes his mind he is a flip flopper. When Obama changes his mind he is evolving. Seems Obama can fool a liberal all of the time, but luckily the rest of the nation is not so gullible.
Romney did not change his mind on one or two things, Romney has changed his mind on everything he once believed.
You can call that evolving, but I call it lying for votes.
Romney even stated that with his business knowledge he could see that the policies of the Ryan budget would drag America into another recession. That was before Romney stood to benefit as the republican nominee.
Now as long as Romney and his rich friends get permanent tax cuts, they couldn't care less what happens to America.
Now the Ryan budget is marvelous and the recession the republicans plan on bringing back to America is of course going to be President Obama's fault just like everything else the republicans have done to damage the American economy.
But Romney just sold his soul to the Koch brothers. You will know how much honor Romney still possesses by how many years of tax returns he releases.
Rick,
"Evolving" implies improvement in some way. Romney's changes of mind are the opposite of that. "Flip-flopping" is being nice.
Rick,
When the President changes his mind, he is held accountable for it and meets the opposition head on. When Mitt Romney changes his mind, it's just another breezy GOP mistake ... like Michelle Bachmann's or Sarah Palin's "whoops sorry breeezy" moments that they NEVER address.
It was also Romney's decision to off-shore the making of the Olympians uniforms too! Just more jobs that Romney has taken away from US Citizens. Just think if he becomes President how many million of jobs he will out-source.
Yep - Willard likes to offshore his billions and outsource American jobs. Why won't he invest in America?
Because any decent investor knows better than to invest in a failing enterprise.
Obozo's General Motors will be moving 10's of thousands of more jobs to China by 2013. (Wall St. Journal).
And where are all these green energy jobs from companies that Obozo sent billions to that went bankrupt?
The CEO of GE Jeffery Immelt is the Obama jobs czar. Immelt outsources more then half of his 300K employee's. GE keeps most of their vast billions in profits overseas, and pays no federal tax here in the US. So much for Obama's jobs czar paying his fair share in taxes. You liberals have any problem with that, or are liberals cheating this country okay with you?
And Immelt is a republican. What is your point?
It is the republicans who have voted to let the liberals cheat this country.
As a matter of fact the republicans just blocked a bill that would end the tax cuts for the corporations sending our jobs overseas.
But of course cheating the country is okay if you are a republican like Romney the one who is admitting to starting companies in Bermuda and such to keep people who want to invest in American companies from paying no taxes on their gains.
On the other hand President Obama is fighting to increase his own taxes for a better America and you want to make him out to be the bad guy.
Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law making outsourcing legal. The country lost millions of jobs as a result of that trade agreement. But you seem totally naive about taxes. As if raising taxes will keep more corporations US headquartered when there are any number of countries they could pick to move operations and avoid all US taxes. Perfectly legal.
Which is the optimum part of this argument, legal versus your misinterpretation of the word cheating. Until or unless every country in the world decides to play by the same tax laws, companies are going to play the global market for the best deal. Much like companies play states against each other of the best relocation tax incentives.
If the US didn't have such an outdated convoluted tax code maybe things in this country would be different. Of course Washington has only been promising tax reform for at least the past 40 years or so. Wouldn't you know, they are promising tax reform again this campaign. Yeah, like that will ever happen. The tax code is used by both parties for political gain, and neither side wants to give up the advantage.
Laker Steve, I only heard of one green energy company that the Dept. of Energy guaranteed a loan for that went bankrupt. Do you know of a bunch more?
RedDevPS
#9.5 'And Immelt is a republican. What is your point?'
It is ironic that Obama appoints a jobs czar whose corporation outsources A LOT, and whose corporation is so insidious (sarcasm) as to avoid paying income taxes, purportedly, on their corporate income. That, I think, is Rick's point.
What is yours, in addition to pointing out Immelt's political persuasion, which I will assume is what you say it is.
If MSNBc can stop humping Obamas leg for a second they would be able to report fair, balanced, unobjective news....but they cant they only report what makes their Messiah Obama look good. What happened to just reporting the news with no slant? What happened to the Walter Cronkites of news journalists?
Disgusting
MSNBC "reports news" for the people that post first in all their blogs. The loony left who dont care about facts and will never ever admit that a dem did anything wrong. I wouldnt expect "news" from them, just drivel to pander to the idiots on the left.
The Fox hounds complaining about news being biased. On Fox they leave out parts of whats said to twist news and quote idiots like Limbaugh word for word and fail to point out when he flat out lies but MSN is disgusting for pointing out factual quotes that make him look bad by their boy Romney. I'd love for the bashers to point to any story on MSN that's a lie.
trudat6445,
Plenty of dems have done plenty of wrong... But this particular article is about Romney's hypocrisy and waffling.
Like editting recordings to give the notion that someone is racist when they are asked a question?
Government is not equal to family and coaches, sorry sweetheart, keep spinning.
Do you know what an "industrial revenue bond" is?
"Industrial Development Revenue Bonds are issued by a government to assist a private company that might otherwise be unable to obtain financing for its industrial venture or unwilling to undertake the project on its own. The government's goal in providing the debt securities is to improve the economic and employment conditions of its region."
trudat6445
Like editting recordings to give the notion that someone is racist when they are asked a question?
Oh, please what doesn't Fox Noise edit or get right? Practically, nothing except the peroxide for it blonde bimbo Roger Ailes keep in stock.
Gawk at how incorrect FOX NOISE is!!! Only idiots would post this sh!T
Actual News Headlines Vs. Fox News Headlines
Fox News cited each of these “actual news headlines” as their “source.” Fair and balanced. Yup. posted about a year ago
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/actual-news-headlines-vs-fox-news-headlines
WTF? Fox can't even get it's graphics correct.
The 45 Worst Fox News Moments Of 2011
Another year, another 12 months of “fair and balanced” reporting from Fox News. Here is the best of the worst of Fox News in 2011.
Check out those confused maps that mislabeled States NH where Vermont and in the Middle East Fox Noise has Iran sitting between Egypt and Afghanistan
Really
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2011/12/13/foxs-graphics-department-fails-mislabeling-stat/185288
You'd think FOX NOISE its geography
How about FOX NOISE equating Sesame Street with not being the moral fabic of this country?
Sesame Street is "a danger to our country's moral foundation"
Or Fox calls the Muppets communists
Puppets, Seriously?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-worst-fox-news-moments-of-2011
Fox's Kilmeade And Bolling Find It "Unbelievable" That Romney Isn't Leading Obama In Latest Poll On The Economy
http://dropfox.com/clips/201205220005
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Many, many reasons to drop FOX
Everything in the article is a fact. You don't care that your Presidential candidate's latest talking point is a hypocritical misconstruction?
I'd think you would. But I guess fair and balanced means only reporting bad news about Obama.
I wish we had a Cronkite, he'd eviscerate the current GOP nightly.
Uhhh, Iran does sit between Egypt and Afghanistan! As does, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, UAE....
moto...lets not Hang the messenger...when you teas/ mittins etc give so Much to report on (and all of it is such nonsense) maybe You all had better try to put up a Real candidate in four years instead of a empty suit (even an Expensive one)
Capt Tripps - or a Peter Jennings or Tim Russert.....
Motaba, Which network went to court and fought for the right to lie? Oh yeah, that would be Fox.
Yes, a "news" network does not have to be factual thanks entirely up to the court efforts of Fox 'News"
Not the way Fox drew the map.
They mislabled Iraq as Egypt. Placing Egypt on an entirely different continent.
So it went: Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan, w/ nothing else in btwn. Fox thinks Egypt borders Iran. Fox thinks Egypt is in Asia & not Africa.
You didn't bother to even look at it, did you?
Tsk.
Motaba,
What happened to the Walter Cronkites indeed. The thing about individuals like him is that you didn't know their political ideology, which is the way it should be. I was considerabl younger then, but more than old enough to remember how different that was than some of the drivel that comes out today.
Capt Tripps
#10.8 'I wish we had a Cronkite, he'd eviscerate the current GOP nightly.'
I disagree.
You seriously think he'd let the subject of this article slide, let alone Death Panels and everyone's a secret Muslim?
I beg to differ.
Down_South I think you didn't quite get the coherent post your were attempting to introduce here. At least I can't understand the point being made.
Regardless, both sides need to man-up on remarks made when they really understand what was really being said and the intention. Both parties are like
little children when they engage in this tit-for-tat inanity...
Ha!! I love this thread!! I am so often, completely flabbergasted by the ignorance combined with arrogance of those that are supporting the GOP through this president's term and into this election.
Most of GOP supporters I know and hear from simply have no concept of the issues these days. There should be a test you have to take before voting, to ensure that people are aware of what the real issues are that are facing us as a nation.
The GOP supporters don't know the issues? You must be kidding me. I'd say its the other way around. How anyone could support keeping the current administration and know anything of the issues is beyond comprehension.
Rick Kyle - of course you would. That's because you don't know or understand the issues.
Obama/Biden 2012
See Rick Kyle, you tea people Koch republicans think the only issue is getting rid of President Obama. Any thing else is a non-issue to you tea people.
Supporting Willard Romney's lie and flip-flopping is beyond comprehension to most voters.
I wasn't suggesting that GOP supporters didn't have issues (because they definitely do). Just that the majority of those issues seem to favor just a few, (and that's what I find so entertaining about most middle class supporters of the GOP). Most middle class supporters of the GOP obviously do not get that the only constituents that will win with a GOP administration are are the 1%'ers. As a home owning middle class father of one with an above average annual wage, the GOP has NOTHING to offer me at all as a citizen and member of this society.
Further, it seems to me that the GOP and their "smaller government" position would sooner we revert back the days of the old west where snake oil salesmen took advantage of the general populace with out regards for anyone's well being but their own, and gun slingers ruled the towns by intimidation, while the wealthy land owners were the only employers who barely paid a subsistence wage because that's all they have to do.
I challenge anyone here to express in reasonable terms how the GOP and it's policies would do anything to benefit us as a nation and a collective society, and drive growth for the nation and our citizenry as a whole.
Oh sure they do - just ask Fox News. In a major headline story, Chick-Fil-A is being hunted down and targeted by gay militants. I had no idea the mayor of Boston was gay, much less a gay militant. Now that is an issue - whew!! Go get 'em GOP supporters.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/christians-say-chick-fil-a-under-siege-by-militant-gays.html
Gee, Domenico, where did you get this scoop...did you do it yourself?
MSNBC...Leaning forward, backward and dancing to David Axelrod's tune....
VP Bob,
Is it the facts you guys don't like?
The answer is yes Job1. If it's not lies from crazy Limbaugh and Fox it can't be true.
Transvaginal probe McDonnell - this that you?
Mr Romney seems to recognize that olympians due not make it soley on their own, just as business and businessmen or businesswomen do not make it soley on their own! In fact none of us make it soley on our own!
"The president was making an “it takes a village” argument, which the Romney campaign and conservatives have roundly panned."
Spoken like a truly liberal journalist....spinning the Obama Roanoke speech to a mild kumbaya argument...instead of the radical statist rant that it was...
"It takes a village?" No, Obama's speech was "The State will take it all"...
The newest research from Nate has it as:
"Obama chance of winning 68.0% Romney 32.0%"
Job1, that's why the tea people, crazy Limbaugh and Fox have went off the deep end of sanity. They know Willard doesn't have a chance of winning.
Maybe you should go read the speech Bob, and get some context. The whole POINT of it was that the strength of America as a whole is a part of why so many of our individual citizens success. We have the infrastructure, we have the educated working class, we have the regulations and safety protocols, to support business. To weaken that would be to remove the opportunity to achieve.
bob...Hey bob you need to have your Hearing checked...you understanding of what the Pres. said is Way off...maybe if you turned down Fox a bit...
Its tough to be a tea...so sorry.
Attention American Athletes: Mitt Romney feels that you cannot achieve athletic greatness on your own, but if you ever decide to start a business, you can do it without the help of all the people in the village back home. What a bucket of horse pellets!
Romney caught in another lie. Romney's lies are becoming as consistent as the movement of a metronome.
Ed in Columbus: what lie are you referring to?
I was wondering that too juanita.
The bigger question is GermanGem and juanita dominguez. What hasn't Willard lied about? See the thing is you can't think of one time Willard has told the truth, or hasn't flip-flopped.
Not a lie, just hypocrisy.
It just goes to show you that those of you that blindly support our President do not hold him to the same scrutiny as you do Governor Romney...if you were honest, you would.
We would ask for Romney's tax returns to actually vet the republican nominee.
President Obama gave 10 years of tax returns, why is it not right to ask the same of Romney if he is so honest?
That is if Romney is that honest? We are just to believe whatever comes out of Romney's mouth while the republicans won't believe President Obama was born in Hawaii even with a certified birth certificate.
Trust us no matter what Romney says, just don't expect us to trust you.
Re: Romney's tax returns....he's rich...end of story. Next...
How much he has isn't a story how he made it might be. Any man who would be POTUS should provide as much information as would be required for any Judge, Cabinet member or high official that would serve under a president Romney.
juanita, are you saying that the fact that Romney is rich is enough of a qualification for you to elect him President? That's all the "vetting" you think he needs? Personally, I need quite a bit more than that to convince me someone is qualified to lead our country.
Re: Obama's birth certificate....he was born in America...end of story. Next....
But on tax returns, President Obama gave 10 years of tax returns, if Romney is so honest why won't he release 12 years like Romney's own father. Romney's own father said that the one year that Mitt has released tells nothing.
If Romney is so honest prove it. Republicans don't think we should see what Romney has done or vet him in anyway, but the republicans are still clamoring for President Obama's school records as if that would tell them more than the President's 10 years of tax records.
I am well aware that McCain only released two years, but he was in the senate and had filed financial statements every year. Plus he lost.
With the limpbaugh conspiracy theory about the the bad guy Bane in the movies being named that to hurt Romney should give you the hint that all his conspiracy theories are all based on the same amount of facts. Which would be zero.
Fear and smear and lies is all the republicans have got. All those job creators that have no money to create jobs are instead using all that tax cut money to buy the election for the republicans that have promised them forever tax cuts.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and just where are all the jobs the republicans promised if you elected them in 2010?
The republicans did just vote to keep the tax cuts for the corporations moving your jobs overseas. The republicans promised us jobs, they just didn't tell us they plan on creating them in China with keeping the tax cuts for those moving our job overseas.
Tell us faithful republicans just how much good does it do for American jobs to give tax breaks that pay for moving our jobs to another country? Do tell us how does that create jobs that the republicans promised us? Why would republicans vote for China jobs before American jobs? As long as you are spinning, spin that one for us.
Heartlight3: so, given what you said about vetting....I'm sure you'll agree with me that our President sure needed some vetting before he was considered to be an appropriate candidate for President...but, no, the media was getting "thrills up their legs" when they heard him speak...that was the extent of their vetting.
A Waffle We Will Go
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[flashback circa 2002]
You Olympians however, know that you didn't get here solely on your own power... (~Mitt Romney-02 Olympics)
Romney says Whattt!? Maybe Elizabeth Warren and President Obama got their ideas from...
Romney??
Huh?
Hypocrisy hear thyself cravenly roar... gggrrr...
LOL!
Oh, just like Romneycare?
More importantly, did you know, the Olympic committee pulls in billions, but most Olympic athletes survive on a pittance? No wonder Romney feels so comfortable in that organization.
I was listening to a story on NPR this weekend about a Track and Field athlete who has to scrap money together to participate in the Games. Unless you are a Gold medal winner who can make some endorsement contracts, you're not going to make much money a the Olympics, regardless of your skills.
Then there are Olympic "athletes" like Mitt Romney's dressage horse. Also known as the "therapy" horse, although Mitt deducted over $70,000 for his & Ann's share of its expenses in 2010. I guess he isn't worried where his next batch of oats is coming from.
What kind of tax code allows millionaires to deduct $70,000 for a "therapy horse?" More to the point, what kind of presidential candidate uses it?
Most Olympic athletes are amateurs, meaning they aren't supposed to be paid. That's a non-issue. It's supposed to be that way.
Tho of course they muddy the waters when they start allowing professionals to compete, but rarely are the two facing one another.
You do know professional athletes compete in the Olympics Capt.
I expect that's why he used the word "most."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-olympic-athletes-really-get-paid-2012-7#ixzz21SvvLyfy
Endorsements are what the top athletes are looking at when they win medals. Some make 6 and 7 digits. Top Boxers go into professional boxing where money is big. Top Track and Field atheletes are paid $100,000 to $500,000 plus endorsements which could make them millions. Endorsements are the goal of all world class athletes and with hard work (training and weight room) they can acheive these goals. Most of the sports have professional ranks (i.e. Volleyball, Beach Volleyball, Water Polo, Baseball, Soccer, tennis). This is big business as like any other business. These Athletes have abilities just like any business person, they need to develop by taining daily to perfect their expertise (by their own initiative). There are influences that help motivate but it comes down to the athlete/businessperson to put it together with the other tools that they have gained or God given. This is the thinking obama should have communicated rather then "you didn't build it". He basically trivialized the basic individual (important word) work ethic of success.
Just because you twisted the meaning of President Obama's statement in your mind doesn't make what he said untrue.
Spin, spin, spin I am amazed that you guys can even walk.
If you read the statement word for word as MSNBC noted it and listen to the full quote in the Romney ad which uses Obama's voice in his own words, you cannot help but think he is saying that business people couldn't have made without the government.
It is really the other way around. The small businessman pays taxes as do his employees. The trucker pays the fuel taxes that help build the highways and bridges. Without private enterprise and the taxpayers, the government could not provide any services. Government does not enable business to exist; business enables government to exist.
Again, take a minute and listen to Obama's full statement and how he inflects his speech!
I would say it's a circle, where individuals and businesses provide revenue and the government uses it in such a way to foster opportunity and success. If the system is working, that's what you get. There's a balance there.
And I've read and listened to the statement numerous times, and it's still clear to me what he said, and more importantly what he meant.
Please. Is there any issue on which Romney hasn't had at least two opinions. I mean, if this jackass wasn't running for the most important job on the planet, it would be funny.
Such a ridiculous story. I am amazed that NBC is still classified as a "News" agency.
Hard to call a story ridiculous that proves a candidate for president is a hypocrite. It's so unfair to quote a candidate who bashes his opponent for a statement nearly identical to one he made in the past. I'm sure you believe the unbiased news at Fox that only bashes Obama is much better.
Anything that is not a lie for crazy Limbaugh or Fox is a ridiculous story to the tea people Koch republicans. They thrive on lies.
Omg, what a pathetic attempt to cover-up Obama's blunder. Gee, I wonder who Domenico will be voting for in the next election lmao.
I'm still waiting to see the $16,000,000,000,000.00 deficit in the headline. I'm still waiting to read about all the wonderful things Obama bought with upwards of $6,000,000,000,000.00 in 3.5 years.
I'm still waiting to see Obama's campaign promise quote from 2008 in the headline, you know the one, that he was gonna to cut the deficit in half.
Spare me the blame game, even Chris Rock isn't buying that anymore.
German - again, failing to see the hypocrisy of Romney. Your intentional avoidance of the lies Romney tells daily says everything about you - none of it good!
Obama/Biden 2012
German Gem still repeating the same old worn out lies.
Twist it, spin it.... The difference is that Obama didn't mention that business people made it through their own sweat and fortitude. Romney's remark did up front...and then brought in the people behind them that also made sacrifices.
Reread the story..right below Romney's photo "In full context, Romney, of course, also praised the Olympians’ efforts – right before he made his “you didn’t get here solely on your own” remark."
Why does NBC take it out of context first? To bias opinions, nothing more, nothing less. They don't just report the news, they attempt to shape the news. Obama thinks the government did all the work and business people just reaped the rewards and needs to have the crap taxed out of them to spread the wealth.
Newsflash - Romney continues to blame Obama every time his campaign slams into the cliff wall at rocket speed.
I'm still waiting for the 2.3 Trillion missing from the DOD that Rumsfeld claimed on 9/10.....or the additional 1.4 trillion a year later.
Oh seriously. I am a small business owner, and I know exactly what President Obama meant and what he said. He is right, and of course you make a business work with sweat and fortitude...AND the resources the government does provide. Seriously, spin all you want, but that is what he said and meant. He didn't say people don't work hard, but he was right that we can't do it with no help at all.
Ram, you are missing the point. OF COURSE the federal government uses the funds the people give it to fund infrastructure and education and scientific research. That is what we sent them there to do. THEY are representing US! You can't then turn around with the argument that the government built all this stuff so if you benefited, it's time to pay back. No, that is what we instruct the government to do with our money. You people on this site have it so backwards. The government exists to serve the people, NOT the other way around.
germa...He would have if he had been dealing with Adults instead of children playing games...you know..the party Of NO
A government with Obama as president promotes laws and supports infrastructure to help business succeed. A government with Romney as president promotes laws to lower his taxes and supports infrastructure in whatever country his next business venture is in. What a great American, building shell companies in the Caymans. I wonder if he gives credit to the Caymans government when they upgrade the roads and docks to ship his products here?
Head, I didn't miss the point. I am not serving government. I am paying taxes into a system so that government may distribute the funds to those who provide services. Sometimes that is another government organization, and sometimes it's a private company. Either way, I have agreed to pay into the system just as they agree to provide services. Does it always work perfectly? Of course not...many times it's mucked up. But that goes for private businesses as well, whether politicians and partisans wish differently. I agreed to pay in because I want the services and products that I as an individual citizen can't provide as well. They do serve me. I don't like them I vote them out.
It's when private groups who want big profits get into the mix that problems start.
German Gem: Yes, we know how much conservatives value Chris Rock's opinion
Typical Romney doublespeak, flip flopping and outright hypocrisy. No one accomplishes anything on his or her own, whether it's an athlete, an architect or a businessperson. Romney and his corporate sponsors know that what President Obama said is 100% correct and accurate, but they have to feign outrage because it doesn't fit their story line. It's so much easier just to say that Obama is a socialist and doesn't know how to be a good American.
Romney really should be examined for multiple personality disorder.
Seriously, didn't Obama say that "someone had to build the roads", per se? I just don't get how this turned into a rallying cry for Romney. It's pretty desperate.
Yes, Willard is desperate. And trying too hard to take the heat off his tax returns. Release your tax returns and show America what you're trying so hard to hide. Willard is such a dishonest, empty suit who thinks it's his turn - just like a spoiled child. Get back in the clown car - gop you don't have anybody better than this?
Yes, JJ, that is what he said. It was turned into all this ridiculousness to score political points. If Romney thinks he didn't get ANY help along the way he is delusional and totally out of touch with what regular people think. Wanna bet $10,000? Oh yeah, I can't do that because I don't have it floating around to waste. Cool he does, but don't try to tell me he has a clue what I need and how hard my family works. It is just ridiculous.
Jessica-1170252
Nope, they are just Obama's sycophants who are too dumb to come up with an original thought.
Jessica-1170252
Nope, they are just Obama's sycophants who are too dumb to come up with an original thought.
Hey Rick; we weren't talking about Obama. You were, because it looks like your feelings are hurt. We know that every President has not kept all of their promises when elected, duh..... I can't count the out and out lies of Willard, that can be refuted, and he isn't even elected. The etch a sketch doesn't lie Rick......