Reb - I totally agree but it is not any President's job to deal with taxes and/or spending, or jobs - but I'm sure you know that already. Just in case, though, find your copy of the Constitution and re-read Article 1, Section 8.

The Founding Fathers thought of the House of Representatives as the "Peoples' House" and gave the House of Representatives all of the authority to originate any bill dealing with taxing or spending.

By the way, the Senate originally was designed to represent the interests of the various states. That's why the were appointed by their state legislature. It wasn't until the 17th Amendment to the Constitution was adopted that we the people had the right to vote for our own Senators.

Got a problem with major (or minor) issues such as taxes, spending, unemployment, etc. give your Congressman a call - you do know who he or she is, right?

Don't see anything wrong here. If you were Obama, wouldn't you go play some horse shoes and drink some coffee with these old folks.

When in Rome.... especially when you want their vote.

Ron Paul.

That is all.

Write him in if he doesn't get the nomination.

The guy doesn't have an original idea unless its typed into a teleprompter.

classic Obama

He joked that the crowd should just mute the negative TV ads

Sure tell the seniors that you know what is best for them now that you have managed to fritter away their life savings... after all what is quality of life anyway...

I almost choked when I got to the part about Obama supporting Israel. That has got to be one of the lost obvious and blatant lie he has told. Obama has been the worst president ever when it comes to sowing support for Israel. He has repeatedly been critical of Israel and supportive of the Palestinian terrorists. Obama also supported Morsi from the Muslim Brotherhood over the secularist Shafiq for the Egyptian presidency despite the fact that the MB has called for an abrogation of the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. Obama is far from a supporter of Israel and for him to claim otherwise is a blatant lie. This speech just goes to prove that Obama will say whatever he has to whenever he has to in order to get the votes of the people he is talking to. At least Romney will stick by his positions, even talking about repealing Obamacare in front of the NAACP when he new that this would not be a popular position with this audience. Romney stated his position and why he felt that way, Obama just takes whatever position the people he is talking to favor, whether he really agrees with that position or not.

CM

We are now "reaping the rewards" for bialing out GM? I don't think so.

The Taxpayer owns about 600 Million shares of GM. We paid $33 per share. What is the price today? Can you say $20.14? We need the price to get to 54 to get our money back. Do you see that happening in say 10 years??

Did you know that GM has been building cars in NEW CHINESE FACTORIES?? Has been since 2010. Some of those cars are coming BACK TO THE US!! What do you say about that little tidbit of info??

According to The Wall Street Journal, "GM told Congress that the company plans to ship 17,335 Chinese-built vehicles to the U.S. in 2011." That number could triple by 2013

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/05/14/adding-insult-to-injury-gm-will-import-cars-from-china/

He "knows how to do" what, exactly? Talk to an empty house?

There are 14,000 residents in Century Village- fewer than 700 showed up to hear him blather.

He spoke to 2000 in a venue in Concinatti that holds close to 4000.

I guess most people kicked the Hopium.

Romney is horrible but Obama probably is going to do pretty much the same thing after the election:

New report foreshadows post-election assault on pensions, social programs in US

By Jack Hood
19 July 2012

The State Budget Crisis Task Force―a body set up by former New York Lt. Governor Richard Ravitch and ex-Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker―has issued a report aimed at preparing public opinion for an unprecedented attack on social services and public employees after the November elections.

The findings, which detail the deepening financial crises facing state and local governments, claims there is no money to continue funding public services and employee wages and pensions at current levels. The report's authors advocate huge cuts in health care and other services and the elimination of health and pension benefits won by public sector workers over generations of struggle.

While the report is presented as an unbiased, objective analysis, neither Ravitch nor Volcker are neutral observers. On the contrary, both are long-standing Democratic Party operatives tied to Wall Street and corporate America who oversaw ruthless attacks on the working class in the 1970s and 1980s. In addition, Ravitch in particular, has close relations with the AFL-CIO trade unions, which have collaborated in the attack on public employees.

"The fiscal crisis for states will persist long after the economy rebounds," the New York Times wrote in a summary of the report, citing "rising health care costs, underfunded pensions, ignored infrastructure needs, eroding revenues, and expected federal budget cuts" as reasons for concern over long-term budget volatility.

Expenditures, the report claims, "are growing at rates that exceed reasonable expectations for revenues… The existing trajectory of state spending, taxation, and administrative practices cannot be sustained. The basic problem is not cyclical. It is structural."

The report ignores the real causes of the fiscal crisis. In the nearly 100-page document nothing is said about how state, local, and federal government coffers have been emptied by corporate tax giveaways, multi-trillion dollar bank bailouts, and multiple wars and overseas interventions. The economic breakdown that followed the Crash of 2008 hardly merits a mention even though it led to a plunge in tax revenues as millions lost their jobs, home values plummeted and small businesses, starved of loans, went bankrupt.

The main target is public employee pensions, which have been neglected and underfunded by the states and have also seen a dramatic fall in assets as a result of the financial crisis that began with the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September, 2008. Wall Street is now hell bent on looting pension funds just as it has done the public treasury.

"Legally and politically, legislation directed at new hires is the easiest to achieve because new hires are invisible and, until hired, do not vote in union elections (where unionized)," the report explains. "[B]ut such modifications produce the smallest immediate savings and do not reduce unfunded liabilities."

In other words, simply attacking new hires, a common tactic states and local governments have used with the willing collaboration of the unions, is not enough. Current workers and retirees who have been paying into pension funds for decades must be made to pay for state deficits, despite the fact that their share of national wealth has been on the decline for the previous four decades.

The report points to an aging population as a particular reason for long-term concern. The next two decades will each see 30 percent+ increases in the over-65 population, resulting, the report claims, in increased stress on Medicaid and pension funds. Rising Medicaid costs, which must be paid on account of Medicaid's status as an entitlement program, "can no longer be absorbed without significant cuts to other essential state programs…this trend is likely to continue," the report states.

A 7.2 percent average growth in Medicaid spending is expected over the next five years alone, which, when coupled with a 3.9 percent growth in revenue, will result in an annual budget gap of $23 billion for the states by 2017.

In pointing to these trends, the report echoes complaints made by sections of the American ruling elite―like their counter-parts in Greece and other European countries―that workers are simply living too long after retirement. According to this argument, the supposedly bloated health care and retirement benefits of workers not the near-criminal and criminal activities of the financial aristocracy, is bankrupting the country. Typical were the comments of Robert Benmosche, the multi-millionaire CEO of American International Group (AIG)―a company that received a publicly funded bailout―who recently said retirement ages in the US and Europe should be raised to 80 years old.

The task force sheds the usual crocodile tears for "hard choices" before praising both state governments controlled by both political parties for their attacks on public employees. Some of the deepest cuts have been made in New York, Illinois and California, all controlled by Democratic governors.

"Governments have been making changes. Between 2009 and 2011, 43 states either increased employee contributions or cut benefits or both. Additional changes will be needed." These are not empty threats: this report foreshadows the strategic assault being planned by the corporate and political establishment.

While the Obama administration made trillions available to Wall Street banks, it has provided no bailout to state and local governments, which have eliminated 600,000 jobs since the Democratic president took office. On the contrary, the White House has deliberately starved the states and cities of federal funding in order to advance its agenda of slashing the jobs, living standards and working conditions of teachers and other public workers and privatizing public education and other assets.

In the coming months, the states will be required to foot more of the financial crisis, as the Obama Administration is expected to make heavy block grant cuts to state and local governments following the November election. The Obama Administration's Budget Control Act of 2011, according to the Congressional Budget Office, mandates that "discretionary spending for education, transportation, and housing programs benefiting state and local governments will shrink by 35 percent between 2012 and 2022. [The CBO] project[s] that selected income security programs, primarily those benefiting children, will decline by 35 percent during the same period."

Ten percent cuts to federal block grants would also result in a $60 billion annual loss for state and local governments. This amount is "nearly twice the size of the combined tax increases that states enacted for 2008 through 2011," the report claims.

These cuts are being made to offset a 47 percent mandatory increase for entitlement programs. The aging population met with high unemployment and the resulting loss in employer-provided health insurance plans has led to a drastic increase in the Medicaid and Medicare rolls.

Though the health care benefits and retirement savings of millions of public employees is up for the taking, the trillions obtained by the banks, Fortune 500 companies, and financial speculators in the aftermath of the financial crisis are not in play. More than 90 percent of the income produced in the post-2010 "recovery" went to the top 1 percent, but this huge sum is off-limits to settle state and local budgets.

The findings and recommendations of the Task Force are unsurprising given its architects. The Volcker and Ravitch are long-time enemies of the working class. Volcker, a life-long Democrat and former Chase Manhattan Bank executive, served as Chairman of the Federal Reserve under Presidents Carter and Reagan. In 1981, he drove interest rates to a record 20 percent, precipitating what was up to then the worst downturn since the Great Depression. Mass unemployment, factory closings and union busting were used to batter down the resistance of the American working class, which had repeatedly defied attacks on living standards through militant strikes by coal miners, auto workers and other sections of workers in the 1970s.

Volcker praised Reagan's smashing of the 1981 PATCO strike as the most important action "the administration took in helping the anti-inflation fight." The firing of 13,000 air traffic controllers, Volcker gushed, transformed "the climate of labor-management relations" both "profoundly" and "constructively." He most recently was appointed by President Obama to Chair the Economic Recovery Advisory Board, a post that he held from 2009 to 2011.

Richard Ravitch's past is similarly unambiguous. A former unelected Lt. Governor of New York, Ravitch served as an adviser to former New York Governor Hugh Carey during the "bailout" of New York City in 1975-76. Using the threat of municipal bankruptcy Ravitch helped design a plan that mandated draconian cuts to social services, eliminated of tens of thousands of city workers' jobs and slashed wages for remaining employees. It also led to the first-ever tuition fees for the City University of New York students along with a sharp increase in transportation fares.

Ravitch worked closely with then teachers' union chief Albert Shanker and other labor officials to use workers' pension funds to purchase $2.7 billion in city debt. The plan also created the Financial Control Board, which gave banks the power to veto city spending measures and labor contracts.

During the 11-day New York City transit worker walkout Ravitch served as strikebreaker in chief as Chairman of the Metropolitan Transit Authority. Before his stint as Lt. Governor, Ravitch―a wealthy real estate developer―sat on the Executive Committee of the AFL-CIO Housing Investment Trust's Board of Trustees, a joint business venture of the trade unions.

The additional nine members of the task force are not politically distinct from Volcker and Ravitch. They include Nicholas F. Brady, former Secretary of the Treasury under Presidents Reagan and Bush; Peter Goldmark, the former budget director of New York State; Alice Rivlin, former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve under the Clinton Administration; and former Secretary of Labor, Treasury, and State, George P. Shultz.

The bipartisan character of the Task Force points to the vicious attacks being prepared against public employees and essential social service, regardless of whether President Obama or his Republican challenger Mitt Romney wins in November.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jul2012/task-j19.shtml

elliot-3020456 post 1.5

About your statement that " Romney realizes that the president works for every citizen " If that statement wasn't so pathetic it would almost be funny. Obviously you and Mitt 'Mr 1% Romney have much in common he can't open his mouth without lying ether.

I cannot believe that Obama has the @@@@s to continue with his lie that Romney would cost seniors, presently on SS and Medicare, $6,400.00 when it won't cost them a penny. The man is despicable. Whether you like Obama or Romney it is obvious who is lying and who is telling then truth.

All Obama is trying to do is to scare the Hell out of the elderly to get their vote. Maybe Romney should counter with his own ridiculous lie, such as, "Obama plans to put a 50% tax on the cost of nursing home care and all you seniors will be out in the street"? But that's not Romney's style.

This guy has the gift of gab. Unfortunately for us, he lacks all other abilities to manage our Country. Our Nation is poorly servered by career politicians who have never done anything in the real world.

NOBAMA 2012!

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Perspective time: The President was speaking to a retiree group in Florida. So you've got people receiving Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, pensions, social services, some foodstamps, etc. They are the ones getting the MOST benefits from the federal government now. Of course they are going to be a supportive crowd- they want the gravy train to keep moving for them. They paid into it, they want out of it. Simple enough. So they clearly are a good group for the President to speak to as they won't rock the boat and his wealth envy lectures sound just fine to them because they want their checks.

A bit more perspective? Ok. How about the President run on his accomplishments rather than tearing down his opponant. Logic states that you attack your opponant if you are: 1. Running for President, 2. Loosing, or 3. Trying to gain traction and press. If you already are President traditionally you run on your Presidential record and successes.

So what's going on here? The President can't run on his record because it's full of inconsistencies and unsupportive data. A few examples:

Jobs. The President endorsed massive use of American taxdollars for bailouts and stimulus, promising that unemployment wouldn't go above 8.2% if it was done. It was done and subsequently we've found out that billions upon billions were handed out for thousands of jobs (terrible investment strategy), billions were misappropriated, billions went to the President's donor companies, billions went to "green energy" companies whom were failing(many failed) because they were: 1. Bad investments and already turned down by the DOE under the Bush administration, 2. Their business strategies weren't viable, and 3. Their products weren't ready for prime time or had already been overtaken by international commerce. But the money kept going out and here we are- 8.2% unemployment, GDP has slowed down to under 2% growth, the President hasn't met with his "jobs council" in over six months- though he and Carney speak in public as though they are in constant contact. It's all talking points to the public and pandering to the voters already in his camp.

International policy. The President ran on peace and unity, but has had a clear record of not doing what he said he was going to do. Gitmo- open and expanding($$$$), Iraq- Still there, Afghanistan- Still there and almost 2,000 dead American soldiers(the Taliban is growing and women[as noted in a recent article] are worried because they are beginning to be pushed back into the dark ages- without rights, no education, more killing, and no chance at a good life), drone strikes in various nations and military operations in many others. Not exactly what was sold so well that he got the Nobel Peace Prize for his first two weeks in office. Then there is foreign policy: The President is endorsing the overthrow of Egypt and Libya- which isn't turning out to be good for the US and western countries(anti-US/western leadership), the women in those countries(returning to repressive policies towards women), regional stability(black market weapons sales and Egyps is fortifying Gaza against Israel), christians in those areas(Costic Christians are being forced out of business, murdered, and running out of the countries for their lives), the historical artifacts held within those countries (looted and threatening to destroy the pyramids because they are not Islamic). He has attempted to strong arm Israel to give back it's land to 1960's borders (which failed), condemned them for defending themselves as a nation, made their leaders quietly visit through the White House backdoor and without a state dinner while openly inviting those poised against Israel to the White house, the President never made a state visit to Israel, and has been silent when they've been attacked- yet is very open on the campaign about how he's helped Israel the most. It doesn't add up.

You can keep bringing up examples and data, but the basic facts are that the President must continue to run a "Chicago style" campaign- slandering Romney rather than making himself look good. He's got to play up the "injustices" and wealth envy rather then attempt to bring people together in "hope". He's got to divide people by groups- very sad for a sitting President.

"Yeah, stroke the senior vote while burying the next generation in exponetial debt."

That's so much BS. In 1945, the national debt was 120% of GDP. By 1980 the national debt was down to 30% of GDP. My parents left generation left my generation that debt and we paid for it. It's nothing new. Future generation always pay off the debt incurred by the previous generation.

And -- the national debt as a percentage of GDP went down under every president from Truman to Carter. From 1981 to 1998 under Reagan it went from 30% to over 60%.

MaoObamaIsDung

Just remember... "you didn't build that" He should have never gone of script. Every time he does socialist ebonics flows from his every pore.

I hate it when people can't even f@#king read or otherwise think for themselves. You swallow everything they throw at you? It sounds good so you go with it? Did you even read the speech in context?

JoeNY

Perspective time: The President was speaking to a retiree group in Florida. So you've got people receiving Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, pensions, social services, some foodstamps, etc.

This crowd has seen the world as it should be. They've all worked their whole lives and are now watching their net worth drop in half while their effective income drops like a rock. Sure, they get Social Security and Medicare... but why do you think they trust Obama versus Romney? Even after "the record" you speak of? Because they know how we got here and who to trust going forward.

Maybe you need to get some perspective. Maybe those with valid life-long experiences recognize a soulless rich puppet when they see one. Maybe they recognize that the real reason we can't recover is that these rich f@#ks have taken everything they can for themselves and out of this economy... that they have one goal and it doesn't include the retirees or anyone "not them".

Maybe the retirees recognize some familiar brainless hate messages from before, during, and after World War II. Maybe they remember how we got out of that economic hell hole.

So before you diminish the retirees, as you and your party is famous for doing... before you assume you know what they think and why... maybe you should respect someone else for a change and listen to what they have to say.

I'm a retiree and I can tell you that retirees are THE FIRST IN LINE when it comes to understanding that something must be done with Social Security and Medicare... and THAT SOMETHING includes empathy and understanding... something sorely missing from today's GOP.

Now let's see if you get THAT perspective. I think not.

After yesterday's vote in the senate, it is perfectly clear which side is attempting to promote job growth and which side is attempting to block it. 42 Republican senators voted against forwarding a bill that would eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas and instead, reward companies that bring jobs back to America with a 20% tax break. It is astounding to me that we are even having this discussion, never mind that elected officials voted to block this measure. Republicans say it is all about jobs, but they vote very differently. I am disturbed by the behavior of republicans as they continually attempt to stall recovery at the expense of the middle class in hopes that if they delay progress long enough, perhaps they can regain power. Yesterday's vote should clear this up in any doubter's mind. Republicans are obstructionists. They have clearly stated their number one priority and it is not jobs, jobs, jobs. It is not the economic recovery. It is not the middle class. It is to harm America and blame Obama. How any real American would want to reward this behavior is beyond me. I simply do not understand how the GOP base finds this behavior acceptable. The bill was paid for and would have encouraged in-sourcing. I guess with Willard Romney's history of outsourcing and his refusal to discuss the matter (in fact he pretends it never happened), I should not be surprised. However, I had hoped that this bill just made too much sense to ignore it's merits. Kentucky McConnell stated that his party would not vote to forward the bill without amendments (riders) such as a repeal of the affordable care act. I am very disturbed that this behavior continues even as America is very much aware of past obstructionism. Please do not reward this behavior with your vote. My 5 year old would not get away with these tactics, elected officials should not either.

Annie was on Fox retard news having seizures over ( Romney the Clown ) Tax returns, was Annie also in the cookie jar, what are they hiding ????????

LMarcT- Believe it or not, I do agree with some of your post and I appreciate the "dialog"- something I think we need more of in these comments areas.

I agree with you that the current seniors did pay into the system and should receive the benefits they were promised. I agree that they worked hard to be where they are. I believe we, the younger generations, should support them as a community as well as continue to pay for their social services.

On Social Security, Mediacid, and Medicare (as well as the impending Obamacare)- I think they are heavily flawed. We need REAL social security reform- it's loosing a few years of coverage every year (down to 2034 if I recall correctly) and it costs 2+ people's social security taxes to cover one person's payments today! So, we've got to get real and tell our/my generation that it's not going to work out as it has been. Same thing with any other federal program that is running over budget/into deficit. We can't afford them, so it's time to change them or dump them. By dump them I'm not advocating throwing grandma from the cliff, I'm saying that we've got to set up an out so that it can be rebuilt for the next generations or an alternative.

Thanks for the comment!

elliot-3020456

Unlike 0bama, Romney realizes that the president works for every citizen, not just select groups to pander to. Go home 0bama.

You ignorance shows vividly. Obama works for the 99% whereas Romney is beholden to and works for the other 1% of the folks who make more than 1/2 million in income every year and have net worth of more than $3mil. That's a fact.

Reprinting from today's Bloomberg Businessweek,

"During a week long trip overseas trip that begins on July 25th, Romney will use his network of global business contacts to hit up wealthy donors between stops at the Olympics and meetings with foreign leaders. One July 26 executives from Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Credit Suisse, and Barclays will host a $2,500 a person reception for him in London. This will be followed by $25,000 a-plate dinner co-hosted by Dwight Poler, Managing Director of Bain Capital Europe. Access to the candidate requires couples to write $50,000 check or raise $100,000."

These are the people that Mitt Romney will bat for if he ever becomes the President. Amazing to note how many brainwashed dumb idiots are in this great country...

Why is it necessary for 3 NBC affiliates to report on virtually the same story, indexed in the same sub-paragraph on the same page? Is the idea that if you tell a lie enough times people will start to believe it?

Who wants a rock star for Presedent?? Not me...I would much rather have a successful businessman. All obama can do is talk...the US needs action now. It's time to stop blaming everyone else and take charge. If I was hired to head up a company that had been supposedly run into the ground and after 4 years of no progress I was still blaming the "last guy" I would be fired. Pandering to whatever group he talks to is accomplishing nothing. And I agree, the office of President is not a joke, and not to be taken lightly. He is so full of himself that he actually is starting to believe what comes out of his mouth!

TO: Seven2Seven who wrote:

"Yeah, stroke the senior vote while burying the next generation in exponetial debt..."

Don't give us that crap, if Republicans were worried for even one minute about the "next generation" then Republicans would make sure that the "next generation" has plenty of clean air, clean water, and a safe food supply.

Instead, Republicans are trying to REMOVE regulations that protect our clean air and water, and regulations that insure our food supply is safe, because Republicans are living for this moment in time ONLY, they want to make big money NOW, and Republicans don't give a crap about any "future generation" because Republicans know that they are NOT going to be here when it's time to deal with all the pollution that Republicans want to create!

This also explains why Republicans maintain a total "who cares" attitude about global warming and how burning fossil fuels is harming the planet. Republicans want their oil stocks to pay off and that's it! Worry about "right now" and let "tomorrow" take of its self, right Republican stock holders!

Obama/Biden 2012

CM6969 -

BTW, GM did try to get money from other sources, including Bain Capital, but no lender wanted to take the risk. The US Government did, and now it is reaping the rewards.

If only the federal government had the insight that wise investors have. What are the rewards that the "US Government" is reaping? Unless you mean Obama and the Democrats from getting taxpayer provided funding slipped back in the form of donations from the beneficiaries of stimulus money.

@!$%# Romney and the plutocrats who want to buy the election. And the trolls paid to post on blogs.

American Girl: "Republicans don't give a crap about any "future generation"....

Wrong: The Democrats bankrupt Social Security. It was supposed to be a self sustaining annuity until the Democrats and LBJ decided they needed some money so they drained the Trust Fund. They did the same to the Postal Service. Now they are both Bankrupt and future generations we (Democrats and Republicans) are trying desperately to put them back together but Obama and Harry Reid won't let anything get through until after the election. Obama is afraid to take any pre-election positions. He has had 110 fund raisers in the last 6 months but has not met with his Jobs Counsel once. Tell me American Girl how this benefits the future of our youth.

Where did you get the other stuff from. Obama has two solar energy firms down the tubes to the tune of a Billion+ because he, an ignoramus as far as business and economics is concerned, thought they could withstand the Chinese. He blocked the oil pipeline forcing continued use of coal into the next generation. He wants industry to decrease emissions from power plants but he has already squandered the money needed through his a@@hole stimulus spending (much of which went over seas or to Mexico) We can't eat the cost. We were supposed to build his electric cars in Delaware but they are now produced in Finland with our money. His lover boy, the CEO of GE who heads his committee on Job Creation, is out sourcing it airplane manufacturing to China and its Light bulbs to Mexico ( the light bulbs - I believe were made in Montgomery AL) -- the workers offered to reduce their wages so as to keep their jobs and the plant (a major industry to the community) but Obama's buddy said no, closed the plant and laid off the workers. We no longer make light bulbs in the US. How's that for national security. In time of war we can use candles. Good thinking.

You are closed minded. Our society relies on intelligent debate. You seem to be incapable of that as you lack the desire to inform yourself on issues and would rather follow the lemmings over the cliff.

When did the Republicans object to clean water and clean food? I'm interested to hear your source for that one. Don't Democrats piss in the swimming pool?

mr obama is finally right about something. the mute button. and you can use it for him as well. i guess things are getting close lets go to fla and scare the old folks

TO: Gil-2872519 who wrote:

'...The Democrats bankrupt Social Security..."

That's a lie and you know it.

It's a well known FACT that Democrat President Bill Clinton replenished and had a $40 billion dollar surplus in Social Security when Bill Clinton left office!

Obama/Biden 2012

TO: Gil-2872519 who wrote:

'...The Democrats bankrupt Social Security..."

That's a lie and you know it.

It's a well known FACT that Democrat President Bill Clinton replenished Social Security 100% AND had a $40 billion dollar surplus in Social Security when Bill Clinton left office!

Obama/Biden 2012

American Girl: Wrong: By the time Clinton took over, SS was being funded by the US Treasury. The idea of a self perpetuating annuity was long gone. Clinton increased "SS" taxes and brought money into the treasury which owed money to SS by virtue of issuing non-negotiable (worthless bonds) in exchange for SS's real dollars. SS was operating on cash basis, money in money out, (given to it by the treasury) the idea that there would be a growing annuity to support future generations was out the window. Most economists deem adding the funds received by the tax increase to "SS" and not the General Fund is nothing more than Voodoo economics. That is why virtually all commentators remove SS from debt equation. (notice I used "debt", not "deficit" - big difference).

Face the facts: With the SS Trust Fund gone, i.e. robbed by the Democrats, and the demographics steadily edging upward as the birth boomers retire, there is nothing to sustain SS except for taxes imposed upon future generations which will have to be regularly increased. That cannot go on forever and everyone but you seems to know it. SS is presently unsustainable due to the loss of the trust fund. The fact that Clinton had a cash accounting surplus, is nice, but it is the deficit that matters. That's where the Voodoo economics come in. Suppose you may have a mortgage payment of $700.00 a month but a total due of $60,000.00 on the mortgage. Under the "cash" method, when you get $800.00 in you are UP $100.00 you can say look, I saved a $100.00 this month. False: you only reduced you debt to the bank to $59,300.00. And when that other $1,000.00 is earmarked to utilities (i.e. SS and China) you are UP Nothing but actually down $300.00. You imply that Clinton "paid the mortgage down" (the deficit) he did not. By raising taxes he got us enough money to make our "minimum monthly payment". Do you think Obama can do that? You can take those hopes to your grave.

When you can't make the "minimum monthly payment " you walk down the street and declare Bankruptcy and that is where we are headed.

BTW: Why do you feel it necessary to put up a double response. Do you feel a need to get attention? And why no response to the other matters I raised -- tongue tied? I don't recall seeing you so mute before.

So tell me again about "future generations".

AngryMad: You state the obvious. But forgive her I think she's at the bar with Feisty.

What Obama needs to straighten out this country is a super majority in the Senate and control of the house. It's been the filibusters of the Republicans in the Senate that has blocked even bill that would benefit the people in this country in favor of the 1% that give them money (bribes). All with the agenda to make Obama a one term president.

Oh yeah, I'm not going so far as to call those defending Romney and criticizing Obama liars but I will say they are stretching/bending the truth. Probably the results of listening to Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity, and the merry gang of FAUX news. In others words you people don't know the truth and refuse to believe it when you hear it. They call that brainwashed by FOX propaganda. Of course there are those on the right who know the truth and outright lie for political gains.

MaoObamaIsDung,

anyone that would think up this identity is a pathetic individual with a mind much like the Aurora Killer.

anyone that would believe anything that an identity such as this would say, is equally pathetic.

@ Gil

American girl speaks the truth just just as Feisty does but I see it bothers you that someone would speak the truth. It's the right wing philosophy smother the truth under a blanket of lies in order to confuse the voters. Republicans cannot win by telling the truth so they have to distort it then call the media liberal to try justifying their distortion. The FOX News anchor said it well once when he slipped and stated "We just tell our side of the story". Not the news as it happened..."our side of the story".

In other words, if a Republican slips up and says the wrong thing they try to justify his statement. If a Democrat would say the same thing they criticize him for it. That's not reporting...it's propaganda.

Carter gets out of bed everyday, read the news and then does the "I'm not the worst dance"

He's been doing that dance since Jan. 20th, 2000.

Larry: Don't tell me about lies while Obama is telling seniors on Social Security and Medicare that Romney will cost them an additional $6,400.00 a year. It is clearly not true, you should know that, Obama clearly knows that and any one who has followed the Ryan Plan knows that. Obama's dishonesty with seniors to get votes is despicable. (Scare the Hello out of them with lies) How about replying on that -- the plan has been on NBC and MSNBC numerous times -- how does FOX come into the equation?

BTW: I do watch FOX and also read MSNBC, if I didn't I would not be here. They produce a balance. As to NBC and its affiliates MSNBC, First Read etc why was the audio of Zimmerman cut to make him seem like he is a racist -- if I were he I would sue. What happened to Holder's response to the 5th circuit? I had to Goggle it to find that it only appeared in the Liberal media. Although, an important and a controversial legal document NBC, ABC CBS etc. never mentioned that it existed. Why because it showed Obama to be an idiot or a liar. Unlike you, Feisty and American Girl I check many of my facts before I publish them and do not rely on "bar room talk".

As to FOX, I agree that Hannity is an a@@ -- I don't watch him. The rest of FOX is good as a sounding board for the lies, cut tapes and deliberate misrepresentations put out by the Liberal Media. We never would have known the NBC cut the Zimmerman tape had FOX not reported it and played the entire uncut tape. Why NBC was intent, from day one, to alter facts to show Zimmerman a racist is beyond me. Don't get me wrong, I have no position on Zimmerman, I just don't like a news outlet like NBC falsifying evidence. You mentioned Beck. He's been gone for a long time - why bring up ancient history - and Limbaugh (who I have never listened to) has nothing to do with FOX. I believe you are misinformed and out of touch. Put some diversity into your life, you will find the world more interesting and become more educated.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

Attributed to ALEXANDER FRASER TYTLER, LORD WOODHOUSELEE. Unverified

Maybe that is why Tomas Jefferson favored a revolution every 20 years.

American Girl, it always cracks me up when I hear the "leave our children with debt" argument while the environment is crashing around us. They want the kids to be wealthy but could care less that they die from an unliveable environment. Yes, you are right about the oil interests, can't run on their own so just do it under the table.

And yes it seems the design of SS was to be self supporting thanks to such a difficult to understand subject as compound interest on the SS Trust account. When the congress pulls the money out for "other" uses it can not earn interest (they won't pay it like we all have to do on a loan) leaving it to working taxpayers to support.

Speaking of congress, I would think they might be a bit worried about their own elections with a 9% approval rating. After all it is THEIR job to make LAWS the president can only sign or veto, where do these people come from?? Just keep pointing at the president, I think most Americans know where and who makes legislation and it aint the talking heads.

Swallow: You can't make legislation if Harry Reid, in the Senate, and previously Nancy in the House, refuse to put it up for a vote. The founders never intended to give them veto power.

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Swallow: You can't make legislation if Harry Reid, in the Senate, and previously Nancy in the House, refuse to put it up for a vote. The founders never intended to give them veto power.

That is PRECISELY what the founders intended; they wanted a system of checks and balances, giving the most power to the directly-elected Congress.

The powers of congress is detailed in Article 1 of the constitution, they were given the most power. Article 2 is the Executive branch, and Article 3 is the Judicial...who didn't get the power of determining constitutionality until much later.

With respect to Congress, I think that 2-year term limits need to be replaced with 4-year term limits. In addition, we need to promote empowering 1 political party to have control of all 3 branches of Government as this provides for pure and unadulterated accountability.

I would much rather be able to point to one set of philosophies that were unencumbered and say, "Yes, this how we need to continue to govern" or "No, this does not work for our country."

Republicans had their chance for 6 years and they got us into 2 unfunded wars, gave tax breaks to the wealthy, and oversaw the debauchery on Wall St. that resulted in one of the greatest financial collapses in history.

By contrast, the Democrats had 2 years of control over the Executive and Legislative branches, and they implemented programs to prop-up the middle class.

Unfortunately for Democrats, and the American public, we weren't able to see those program fully implemented because of the insistence for tax-cuts to be included in those programs, and the constant obstructionism into the implementation of the ACA.

The reality is that Republicans are afraid that if the Democrats have the ability to be successful then America will be successful, and it will further prove that the Republicans have been on the wrong side of progress for the past 32 years.

I disagree -- read the constitution Where do you find this parliamentary "veto" power?

2008: Hope and Change

2012: Mope and Blame

I want the President to deal with reality. Obama originally campaigned as a fiscal conservative and made many statements as to how bad deficit spending is yet has administration have run up some of the largest deficits ever. The President promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of this first term. To keep his promise the 2012 federal deficit must not exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet his own White House is predicting that the President will miss the mark by more than a factor of 5. I want the President to explain to the American people how he is going to keep his promise regarding the deficit. I estimate that he additional trillion dollars that the President's administration is spending this year will end up costing the tax payers 9 trillion dollars before it is all repaid in 170 years. I want the President to present a detailed plan for the federal government to pay back all of the money that it has borrowed.

Got to love the posts claiming it is the job of the House and not Obama to deal with taxes and spending. But not when Bush was in office right? Liberal hypocrisy marches on.

Romney talks out of both sides of his mouth, and somewhere else as well. Give it up, the guy has no plan, just flip flop bullsh!t that the majority is really starting to see. This isn't going to get any easier for him, and he knows it. His continuation of not releasing his tax returns will keep him awake many nights. I guess he thought that Obama and the Democrats were gonna roll over and die. He's finding out that's not the case.

so ben bauckmans you mom i see??

tony, everytime I see that pic, it so reminds me of my momma throating my willie.

I fixed that typo for you. Now that sounds about right.

hahahaha

'President Obama played the seasoned campaign veteran,"

If only Obama could play a seasoned Chief Executive, our country might not be floundering around. Guess that's what happens when you elect an empty suit like Obama not based on accomplishments but on a glib catch slogan.

NOBAMA 2012!

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Clowns will be Clowns, what is Mitt & Annie Hiding ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I agree: it's the ecomony, stupid! What doesn't Oblameo get about this one simple statement? If the economy is fixed, employment goes up. If employment goes up, tax revenues (of all kinds at all levels) go up. If tax revenues go up, our country comes closer to closing the deficit gap at all levels. If the deficit gap is closed, we might be able to do something about the $6 trillion dollars of additional debt he buried our children and grandchildren under in less than four years.

If Oblameo is an example of what a genius understands, God deliver us all from 4 more years of incredible stupidity that has a lack of common sense. We could do with a few less "geniuses" and a president who understands the practical aspects of our world-wide economy.

Romney/anybody in 2012

Look, if Mitt won't give us any idea of his plans then why should Obama do anything more than he is. Mitt is scared to offer anything. It is obvious rsight now that his tax returns show income from Bain, probably up to right now as well. I think you will see the Chicago political story unfold a bit later in the campaign and considering how whiny Mitt is now (no, Mitt would never say anything bad about Obama would he) the he may get a bit flabergasted here shortly. I really wonder if Black Hate (you offer nothing else) can actually win an election in the US??

People accuse Romney of talking out of both sides of his face? Obama is the panderer in chief with unlimited sides to his face. People have better odds of hitting the lottery then ever seeing an Obama campaign promise come true.

Yep, Jan 20, 2017.

Oh looky, looky, Tony the donkey has taken another dump.

Hey MIKE, still sucking that weeny and changing monikers?

How long tdo you think you can keep the charade up?

So now you are Tony.

How quaint.

You, are busted.

MIKE aka Tony is a troll.

Don't pay attention GC.

Trust me on this one.

And GC's not a troll??????BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a fool. I suppose you think Willard cares about the middle class too. How cute!

GC is not a troll and ALL conservatives HAVE to care for the middle class.

It is their bread and butter.

But, as a liberal, you cannot see this for some reason.

tony,

I believe you are off several years on your date... I believe it is 2013...

MIKE aka Tony is a troll.

Don't pay attention GC.

Trust me on this one.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried to be. I don't have time for that sh!t like you guys. I have to work for a living to support your a$$es because your too stupid to hold down a steady job. If you don't believe me, look at my posting times. Evening hours only and/or weekends. You clowns are on here all hours day or night. Just shows you've nothing better to do.

tonybeerm - or maybe they are bunch of rich jackoffs that get a great deal of pleasure messing with the stupid end of their party!!

You repug's are bottom feeders within your own party.

If your not wealthy and vote GOP your a fool!

Tony/Rushless -

Ya'll know as well as they do when you have to CHANGE you party in order to get the "crazy" vote. You do whatever is necessary in order to get them. The only thing they are really mad about is how the conservatives/tea party took over their party and made it into the obstruction it is today.

Viewer_reader - If the conservatives "have" to care for the middle class, then why are they willing to vote for someone that has said repeatedly that he will ONLY cut taxes for the rich(aka job creators) and not only that won't even invest his OWN money in the very country he is trying to become President for? Excuse me but to coin a phrase from a commercial I've seen here in Florida, "That is NOT conservative!"

Tony (post 4.8)

I don't have time for that sh!t like you guys. I have to work for a living to support your a$$es because your too stupid to hold down a steady job.

You "don't have time?" Really?!!? But you have time to make seven posts here, spreading your foolish tripe.

NOBAMA 2012!

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Mitt tells us he's going to fix the economy -- but he won't say how. He says he's going to cut taxes but he won't say which ones. He says he's gong to close tax loop-holes but he won't say which ones. He says he's going to cut spending but he won't say what the cuts will be. He's going to cut spending, cut taxes, increase military spending and balance the budget -- all at the same time -- but won't way HOW.

Hey Charlie, "but he won't say how" ( That's because Romney the Clown doesn't know how ) Mitt's plan is for his 1% buddies !!!!!!!!

Obama was going to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, but instead he more then doubled it. Obama promised responsible government, but 6 trillion added to our national debt is the most of any president for two terms and Obama hasn't finished one yet. Liberals claim trickle down economics hasn't worked, but Obama trickle down blame and excuses certainly keeps liberals warm at night.

To Kannin:

There you go again Kannin, (I can just hear Ronny's voice), about the failed Obama management of the Gulf oil disaster. You and I went over this yesterday and all of your posts are crap.

Here is a link... #c68110265

You do not tell the truth "Kannin"!

What did Obama mismanage with the disaster in the Gulf? Please come back and tell me again your GOP lies.

Sorry about the link...the article was "Jindal stumps in Ohio" on NBC.

Obama has to brush off questions in Florida.

Romney has to brush off questions everyplace he goes. He speaks only in glittering generalities and offers NO specifics on anything. His shtick is -- I know how to run a business so I know how to run a nation. Well -- Hoover know how to run a business. Bush know how to run a business.

Lets hear about Obama's plans (not the 2008 BS -- that he never followed thru with). Let' hear something meaningful that he really intends to do.

Why do you think that Obama can run a business? He's never had one.

Look at what Romney did for the Olympics - not bad, wouldn't you agree. I like to see a "Community Organizer" do what Romney did.

Romney's plan is Trickle Down, This Clown said the American people are not giving Trickle Down a chance to work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why hasn't Obama met with his "Jobs Council" in the last 6 months?

Because Obama's jobs czar is doing just fine outsourcing more then half of his 300K employee's and paying no federal taxes. So the message from Jeffery Immelt to Obama is the private sector is doing just fine.

If the IRS did not have a problem with Romney's income tax returns, you shouldn't either. Try growing a brain! Tonight you will go to bed less stupid.

Since when is a tax return required to be president?

A birth certificate is required and Obama refused to release that until 2011.... nothing like the ignorance and hypocrisy of liberals.

To pjam09: If you were running for the President of the United States and you told the Wall Street Journal (or any newspaper) that tax returns didn't mean anything, how far do you think that would go? I'm talking about you pjam. Romney says that Sen. John McCain only released two years of his tax returns so that is what I'm going do. How did that work for McCain? And we all knew what he was doing the last 20 years.

There is a long history of presidents releasing tax returns, while they are in office. But before they take office, not so much. This is a liberal snipe hunt, since there are not successes for Obama to mount a campaign.

Tony/MIKE and Fiesty are making payroll off of screwing with conservatives.

Just like the liberal leeches they work for.

These cons are funny. Romney doesn't have to release his tax return but President Obama has to release his birth certificate, his college transcripts, his college admission status, his mortgage papers, his travel records, --- the list goes on and on.

But then the cons are in a tough situation. They have no ideas, no solutions, no answers to real problems so they talk about birth certificates and college transcript.

Obama lies,,, Romney tries

. society stagnates when independent productive achievers are socially demonized and even punished for their accomplishments... Society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike by disappearing [and dropping out of everyday society]."

Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin repudiated his U.S. citizenship right before Facebook's much anticipated IPO this month. While Saverin had already been living in Singapore, dropping his U.S. citizenship allowed him to escape millions of dollars in capital gains taxes that his higher-valued Facebook shares would eventually trigger.

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Government numbers, according to Bloomberg, show "a record 1,780 gave up their U.S. passports last year compared with 235 in 2008."

…NObama 2012!!!!!!

Bruce -

As long the economy sputters along, you are not going to hear any specifics from Romney. His campaign knows that would be the kiss of death for his candidacy.

This is all going to come down to the debates. There is so much noise going on right now. We'll see how Presidential Mitt looks. He will have to be more specific there on a number of issues. That is, unless he plans to do a "Palin" and refuse to directly answer questions.

I think the debates will decide the election.

FACTS ARE FACTS:

Avg. Annual Budget Deficit Under: Bush -2.0% Obama -9.5%

Avg. Annual Increase in Federal Debt($trillions): Bush $0.5 Obama $1.8

Avg. Monthly Unemployment Rate: Bush 5.3% Obama 9.5%

Total Employment Gains (in millions): Bush 5.7 Obama (3.5) yes, negative under Obama

Avg. Annualized Housing Starts: Bush 1655.2 Obama 568.2

Avg. Annualized Quarterly GDP Growth: Bush 1.8% Obama 1.5%

Avg. Annual Food Stamp Participation (in millions): Bush 22.7 Obama 37.0

LA Times

Thanks for the stats, Kannin. I'll be saving those.

Hi CubsFan and Kannin. I see elvis too, oh goodie!

Yes Kanin, good stats. Well researched.

hahahaha

Hi GG! Good to see you here! The IQ of today's Newsvine just went up significantly.

Evening, Gem! I may not be on that long tonight, but tomorrow night's totally free thus far. :)

Ok CubsFan. Sorry I couldn't keep up with you last night, but I did eventually get to EVERY one of your posts. My fav was the one about what you need to learn in mandarin:)

Hey Kannin, Thanks:) and glad to see you too!

More like LIES ARE LIES:

Avg. Annual Budget Deficit Under: Bush -2.0% Obama -9.5%

This is because Bush didn't include the cost of TWO UNFUNDED WARS in the deficit. Obama stopped the Republican/Bush lie to the American taxpayer and included the cost of those wars. Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years and include the deficit lie.

Avg. Annual Increase in Federal Debt($trillions): Bush $0.5 Obama $1.8

Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years.

Avg. Monthly Unemployment Rate: Bush 5.3% Obama 9.5%

Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years.

Total Employment Gains (in millions): Bush 5.7 Obama (3.5) yes, negative under Obama

Another lie especially when you consider Bush has the lowest job creation of any president. Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years.

Avg. Annualized Housing Starts: Bush 1655.2 Obama 568.2

Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years.

Avg. Annualized Quarterly GDP Growth: Bush 1.8% Obama 1.5%

Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years.

Avg. Annual Food Stamp Participation (in millions): Bush 22.7 Obama 37.0

Also the average for Bush is for 8 years and for Obama 3 years. The more years the lower the average so Bush was even worse if you take his last 3 years.

You have to compare the last three years of Bush to the first 3 of Obama and you will find Bush is far, far worse on the stats but conservatives like to lie and use an average of of 8 years and compare it to an average of 3. Any 8th grade student of math knows that if you have bigger number you lower the average by dividing by a larger number which is what was done to get these stats.

Sandy says (a number of times): "The more years the lower the average"

Sandy, your command of math, logic and facts are truly equivalent. Are you a blonde Democrat by any chance?

You have to compare the last three years of Bush to the first 3 of Obama

Or, you could take the first three years of Bush versus the first three years of Obama - that would be more apples to apples, I think.

Or, you could take the first and third year of Bush, and the second and third year of Obama;

Or this past year of Obama divide by four and multiply by 3 versus the last year of Bush's first term divided by four and multiply by 8.

You can do almost any thing to come up with the numbers you're looking for. I'm sure the 12 million unemployed, the 50 million on disability, and the 37 million on food stamps would appreciate all that arithmetic.....

To all- I humbly apologize for the blonde joke.

To Kannin:

Please come back and tell me how Obama mismanaged the Gulf oil spill? The last time you said the it was the oil in the wetlands right? I want to know how Obama could have prevented an est. 170 million gallons of fresh crude oil from getting to the coast? Please tell me.

Hey Cubs Fan – save these numbers too.

Job losses per month in January 2008: 800,000

Job gains last month: 80,000

29 straight months of private sector job growth

GDP growth in 2008: negative 6%

GDP growth last year 2.9%

Dow Jones Average in January 2008: Under 8000

Dow Jones Average today: 12,700+

Stop the welfare and handouts to the lazy 50% of Americans at the bottom who pay no income tax, and grab every welfare "freebie" they can swallow, and all deficit problems will be solved. Let the bottom 50% work like the rest of us or starve. The problem with Obama Socialism is that you run out of people to take money from. Then what?

run out of money..hahaha like who the 6 billion dollar man.Romney

Uhhhh . . . no. Revenue is not the problem. Spending is the problem. You can raise taxes as high as you want, and you won't be able to pay for the kind of spending Obama's done. Don't you realize that there's only so much money out there? The top 25% of wage earners in this country currently pay 83% of our total tax load. Do you know what would happen if you taxed EVERY SINGLE PERSON who made more than 250K with a 100% tax rate? You wouldn't even have the money to pay for the interest on our debt for a year. So what's the solution? Higher taxes on the rich? Noooo . . . you can't raise taxes higher than 100%.

I've got to head out for the night, folks. Talk to you all tomorrow night.

Night, Gem. :) Sorry I couldn't stay longer. Je t'aime. ♥

Who created the 50% who pay no fed income taxes?

Bush.

Bush and his 2 unfunded tax cuts without doing tax reform.

If you're going to be angry, be angry at the right guy.

HaHa. Obama has put so many people on welfare that for the first time in U.S. history there are more people living below the poverty line in American suburbs than in the inner cities.

Even if someone else had created the 50%, Obama is the one who robs the taxpayers and buries the next generation to buy their votes.

You better believe it. Because we will finally be on the right track.

Pjam09 - I'm getting tired of correcting those on the "right side" come back to the middle please.......The recession and those companies that sent jobs overseas that put so many people on welfare AND collecting unemployment. The only thing Obama did was fight for extensions for them to ensure they had some type of income to keep them afloat until they were able to find a job.

I have an idea have the tea party and "conservatives" stop obstructing progress in this country so that we can all enjoy prosperity.

They are not concerned with other generations, only their own benefits.

usa - like all leeches(Democrats).

Common Man -

That simply is not true. In fact, I think seniors appreciate paying less for their prescriptions.

As you are such a policy-buff, I guess you have read what the Romney-approved Ryan Budget would do to seniors, right? If you haven't, go and read it and then come back and try to back up your nonsense.

Obama stealing $500,000,000,000.00 from seniors is very true. When you come out of your parents basement feel free to respond.

Oh, ok. Got some proof?

Before you grab some piece of crap from National Review, FOX News, Daily Caller or Mitt Romney's stump speeches, go and see what the CBO says.

Here's a sample:

"Meanwhile, the bottom line about Obamacare really hasn’t changed. Notwithstanding these latest adjustments, CBO still thinks it will mean about 30 million additional people get insurance, that insurance will become more secure for those who have it, that the law will more than pay for itself in the first ten years, and that, over the long run, the law will reduce the deficit."

March 12, 2012 - The New Republic

I suppose you are going to throw out some nonsense from your self-created excel spreadsheet. Go back and keep playing with your jigsaw puzzles (20 pieces).

Oh, and seniors are not being stolen from, either.

Let's move on....

To SuperPac:

It's not 30 Million, it's more like 50 million Americans. And the GOP says good luck to ya all. You're screwed! Obama says lets give healthcare and support to 50 million Americans which I am one of the 50, or 30 if you like, million. Just imagine if you were all of a sudden had no health insurance after working 30 years plus in an industry and they lay you off. Cobra until you can't afford it then nothing. It's real people. If you have a health problem it will bankrupt you.

Max, why don't you provide your own healthcare. Are you just a leech?

like the ones who work on Romney's Ranch

hahah your lies scared the pants off you

They're pointing out that Obama is a player, I mean playful lol.

Its political propaganda not news. This is why Microsoft has dumped NBC.

NBC===GE== Obama CRONY== tax $$ bailouts=== NO taxes

OMG==Obama MUST Go!!!

Those who care, not the barroom talkers, should look and the Obama/GE relationship. Very interesting GE's CEO chairs Obama's commission on job creation but is outsourcing it airplane manufacturing, light bulbs and God knows what else. A bit of hypocrisy wouldn't you think? And rather un-American.

yes greedy capitalism at work

Actually, Obama's the one that alters stances based on the crowd. When he needs to appeal to Democrats, he announces his opposition of drilling. When he needs to appeal to Republicans, he holds a photo-op at the Keystone pipeline. When he wants to appeal to Democrats, he talks about the dangers of mercury emissions from auto's. When he takes over GM and finds himself on the wrong end of the over-regulation, he scraps his prior statements and says that the emissions aren't that important. When he wants to appeal to Democrats, he says he's against big bonuses. But when a Democrat gets a big bonus, like the 19 million dollar bonus for the CEO of JP Morgan, he's ok with it. I could go on, but you get the point.

no cubs Obama has been fighting to get more regulations on banks..but no saith the republicans..have you notice how all street banks just keep on messing up do yah

"Actually, Obama's the one that alters stances based on the crowd."

Hey Cubs Fan -- have you ever listened to Romney?? Romney alters stances based on the crowd, the time of day, the phase of the moon, the season of the year. He's been pro choice, pro life, pro gun control, against gun control, for government health care, against government health care, for increasing taxes, against increasing taxes --- you name it he's been for/against/for/against. for/for/ against/against it. Hey -- look up what his fellow republicans said about him in the primaries.

he is a 250 million dollar man on America soil..but in real life he is the 6 billion dollar man

Avo, check out the article that MSNBC posted several hours ago about the economy. A summary of the article: "We're all sick of hearing about the tax records. Let's get back to the economy."

no cubs lets see the money

elvis, are you referring to the LACK of money?, aprox. $16,000,000,000,000.00. Whose gonna pay that off?

well for pointers that would be you and me

The Kids of America will get the brunt of it. After they pay everything our lovely government makes them pay, they might have half their check left.

taxes has no friends

avomonster - What is Mitt hiding? Mitt, release ten years of tax returns

We can be sure that anything on Romney's tax returns will be legal since he and his CPA know that they will be scrutinized by the ferrets at the IRS. We can't say the same for the Fast and Furious documents that Obama is hiding by Executive Privilege.

Apparently the documents relating to Fast and Furious are so damning to Obama that if they come to light he would not only lose the election, but might also be sent to prison.

To Kannin:

How do you know what is or is not legal with Romney's tax returns? You trust the IRS? They may very well be "legal". The question is does the American people want a President that "hides" his past?

What is Mitt hiding? Probably nothing illegal but my guess -- he probably paid NO federal taxes at all for several years and that looks bad.

Really, I can't believe you just said that "a president that hides his past" Lets talk about President Obama. He always talks about how poor he was, so I would be really interested to know how he paid for college, how did he pay for his "world tour"? Harvard, and Columbia are both extremely expensive schools, how were those paid for? George Bush released his college transcripts, why won't Obama release his? He always talks about how brilliant he is, why won't he prove it? I don't care if he got into college by affirmative action laws, good for him if he did. That doesn't matter. Why can' t we read any of his college papers? How come we never ever hear from any of his friends? The only friends we know about are Tony Rezko, William Ayers and his wife, all of which are convicted felons or domestic terrorists. Lets not talking about Romney hiding his past, when Obama has done EXACTLY the same thing.

@max.. I guess that's much worse than a President who hides his PRESENT.. with executive orders. I so wish Libs could ever look and see there is another side of every coin.

Jay --- Romney is a hypocrite who will say or do anything to get a vote regardless. He's been for and against just about everything at the same time.

Oh really? I thought you were talking about OBAMA! And why doesn't this same comment apply to Obama? Explalin that one please. Because every time we turn around, Obama is pandering to someone just to get a vote...Hispanics/immigration, women, class warfare and taxes.

So how is Obama NOT guilty of that? And since Obama IS guilty of that, how can you vote for OBAMA?? Plus, OBAMA LIES. ???????

no

Are you kidding? HOW has President Obama demonstrated over the last 3.5 years that he has brought our country bacK?????????????

ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO??

i'M NOT.

much better thanks for asking.

YES! Someone else gets it! Obamacare CUTS Medicare!

sorry the dung stays on the wall

guess you would now

DEV: Tell me, who created Medicare in the first place??? And who opposed it, including none other than your hero, Ronny Ray Gun who called "Socialism" and said it would lead to the end of our freedoms.

And now you're whining that Democrats took money out of the very program most Republicans opposed from the get go??? Now that is rich pal.

FYI, NO COVERAGE WILL BE LOST. Changes were made to Medicare to make it more efficient as well as the fact that the AHA picks up any slack.

So nice to know that you're concerned with a such a left wing, Commie program like this. I find it very heart warming.

How can you be so preoccuped with Mitt's TAXES when it's the ECONOMY and JOBS that we need to be concerned about?

Have we not overlooked anything about OBAMA?? I think we overlooked a TON about Obama. As soon as Obama discloses his birth certificate, college records, Fast and Furious, etc....then maybe Mitt should reveal more tax information.

Fair enough I think.

Why should anyone release their tax info, if there was a problem with taxes the IRS would have taken care of long ago. Trust me, they harassed us to the brink over what started a 300 dollar err & we ended paying over 10,000 dollars couldn't even imagine the length the IRS would go through to collect from multi -millionaires.

Beside at least we know Mr. Romney is a born US citizen & doesn't need to acquire illegal documentation.