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President Barack Obama arrives to speak during a campaign event at Austin Music Hall in Austin, Texas, July 17, 2012.
*** Here comes Medicare: The past few weeks on the presidential campaign trail have featured aggressive attacks and counterattacks. On outsourcing by Bain Capital. On Mitt Romney’s post-1999 association with that firm, as well has his tax returns. On charges of “crony capitalism” in the Obama administration. And on President Obama’s views about business. And today when Obama begins a two-day swing through the crucial state of Florida -- with all of its seniors -- he’ll introduce another attack: hitting Romney on Medicare and the Ryan budget. Per the campaign, the president “will discuss his commitment to strengthening Medicare, and a new report tomorrow that highlights the devastating impact Mitt Romney's Medicare plan could have on the 3.4 million Floridians that rely on Medicare.” Bottom line, per the campaign’s guidance: Obama will argue that Romney -- through his support for the Ryan budget plan -- advocates ending Medicare “as we know it.” Obama starts his Florida swing with a 1:25 pm ET event in Jacksonville, and then he heads to West Palm Beach at 6:20 pm. Tomorrow in the Sunshine State, he hits Ft. Myers and Winter Park.
During his campaign stop, the Obama campaign plans to take Mitt Romney to task over taxes and make Medicare part of the president's pitch to the senior citizens in the state.
*** And here’s the Romney/RNC one-two punch: For its part, the Romney campaign is continuing to highlight Obama’s “you did not build that” remark last week by producing a web video featuring a New Hampshire businessman, Jack Gilchrist, criticizing the president. (But Gilchrist isn't some undecided, non-political NH business owner: Romney held an event at his metal fabrication business earlier this year and while there, Gilchrist spoke to the crowd and declared he was suffering from "Obama Trauma.”) Meanwhile, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus is holding a press conference in Philadelphia at 10:30 am hitting Obama on the stimulus and for sending money that benefited overseas firms. “President Obama took half a billion dollars of your taxpayer money and gave it to Fisker Automotive because they promised to create jobs at their Wilmington plant and to hire workers here in the Delaware Valley,” Priebus is expected to say. “Fisker took that money—your money—but they didn’t create jobs for you… And Fisker is still building their cars in Finland.” (But the same fact-checker that Team Romney cites to defend itself on the Bain outsourcing charges, the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler, has written that the stimulus money for Fisker was earmarked for jobs and work in the U.S.)
*** Still deadlocked: Despite all the back-and-forths and despite Romney’s tough July, three new national polls show the presidential contest to be where the other surveys have had it -- essentially deadlocked. The latest New York Times/CBS poll has it Romney 47% Obama 46%; a FOX poll has it Obama 45% Romney 41%; and an NPR poll has it Obama 47% Romney 46% (with both men tied in the battleground states). So after Romney’s not-so-good month, the race remains where it’s been. And the same was true after Obama’s rough June. This all means that we’re unlikely to see real movement in this race -- at least nationally -- until after the conventions and the fall debates.
*** How Team Romney responded to its adversity: by fighting back: But as the saying goes, you can learn a lot about someone in how he deals with adversity. The same is true in presidential politics. So what have we learned about Mitt Romney after what's been his roughest patch of the general election. First, he's fought back. After some began dropping words like “wimp factor” and “Dukakis-ized” to describe Romney, the candidate came out swinging in back-to-back campaign appearances on Tuesday in Pennsylvania and Wednesday in Ohio. In fact, he was as aggressive -- if not more so -- than we’ve seen him on the stump. "In the last six months, [Obama] has held 100 fundraisers and guess how many meetings he has had with his jobs council. None. Zero," Romney said yesterday in Bowling Green, OH, per NBC’s Garrett Haake.
*** By changing the subject: Second, we learned that Romney and his campaign clearly thought the intense focus on his taxes and his tenure at Bain was a problem. That has to explain why the campaign did everything it could to change the subject -- from hitting Obama on the stimulus, on the out-of-context “you did not build that” and on the jobs council, to having surrogates dredge up Tony Rezko, socialism, youthful drug use and doubts if the president is really an American. “I wish this president would learn how to be an American,” former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu said on a Tuesday campaign conference call. Sununu later walked back that comment.
*** And by still not answering the questions: Third, we learned that these negative stories about Romney -- on his taxes and on Bain Capital -- aren't necessarily going away. Why? Because Romney and his campaign still haven’t answered the questions in front of them. Indeed, despite Romney’s insistence that he played no active role at Bain Capital after leaving to run the Olympics in early 1999, Buzzfeed reports that the website of the Salt Lake 2002 Winter Olympics listed Romney as “the founder and CEO of Bain Capital Inc.” And Buzzfeed also has video of Romney being introduced at a post-1999 National Press Club appearance as -- again -- “the founder and CEO of Bain Capital.” So while Romney may have given up control of day-to-day operations, he still had clear and obvious ties to the firm. And as for the candidate’s tax returns prior to 2010, more Republicans (including Sens. Olympia Snowe, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Grassley) have called for Romney to release them. All it takes for this story to return to the headlines is for any other Republican to join this call.
*** Gas prices, remember those? A headline overlooked yesterday from Politico: “The gas price disaster that didn’t materialize.” Remember way back (in March) the issue of rising gas prices became a GOP political weapon. There was a threat of $6 a gallon gas; Romney calling for the firing of what he dubbed the “gas hike trio” – EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Energy Secretary Steven Chu, and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar; the Keystone Pipeline; how President Obama’s energy policies were actually the cause for the spike; talk of tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve; and cracking down on speculators. “We'll see how short-lived people's memories are,” Oklahoma Rep. James Lankford told NBCNews.com’s Michael O’Brien back then when asked what if gas prices decline. It just shows how quickly the rhetoric and the subject can change in politics.
*** Paul Ryan’s strengths…: As chairman of the House Budget Committee, the 42-year-old Ryan is a young rising star in the GOP, and has become their chief spokesman when it comes to reducing the deficit and debt… Romney picking Ryan as his running mate would signal that he’s doubling down on an austerity/deficit-reduction message… Ryan hails from a battleground state -- Wisconsin -- where polls show Romney currently trailing Obama; Obama actually won Ryan’s district in 2008, 51%-47%... Comfort level: When Romney campaigned with Ryan in the lead-up to the April 3 Wisconsin primary, the two men demonstrated a rapport that we haven’t seen with other Romney surrogates… He would be a person who could please both the conservative intelligentsia and the Tea Party base.
*** … and his weaknesses: Ryan’s budget plan has become a lightning rod, and it will be a focus of Democratic attacks in the fall. The most controversial component of the plan is that it significantly transforms Medicare, which is regarded as the government’s most popular program… There are also holes in Ryan’s budget-hawk armor: He voted for some of the biggest drivers of the deficit/debt -- the Bush tax cuts, the Iraq war, and the Medicare prescription-drug benefit, all of which weren’t paid for. Moreover, Ryan voted against the bipartisan Simpson-Bowles recommendations… A member of Congress, Ryan has never held statewide office. He also has no foreign-policy experience. Both could be liabilities.
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"America is worse off than it was 30 years ago — in infrastructure, education and research. The country spends much less on infrastructure as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP). By 2009, federal funding for research and development was half the share of GDP that it was in 1960. Even spending on education and training is lower as a percentage of the federal budget than it was during the 1980s.
The result is that we’re falling behind fast. In 2001, the World Economic Forum ranked U.S. infrastructure second in the world. In its latest report we were 24th. The United States spends only 2.4 percent of GDP on infrastructure, the Congressional Budget Office noted in 2010. Europe spends 5 percent; China, 9 percent. In the 1970s, America led the world in the number of college graduates; as of 2009, we were 14th among the countries tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Annual growth for research and development spending — private and public — was 5.8 percent between 1996 and 2007; in South Korea it was 9.6 percent; in Singapore, 14.5 percent; in China, 21.9 percent. (Fareed Zakaria)
There are 1.9 million jobs in the American Jobs Act. People are hungry. We want to work. Time to rebuild our infrastructure - that has held up for 50 years - and gone down the tubes.
GOP/Koch filibustered and blocked the American Jobs Act from debate 3 times. During recessions, Presidents have historically increased public sector workers as a recovery strategy. But since 2010, GOP governors have fired 750,000 public sector workers, including 300,000 flesh and blood teachers.
We want all those jobs back -
Every
single
one.
Who has a secret...?
Evidently Willard has many! Here is one more to add to the ever growing pile
Shame the modern day conservatives have wondered so far off the ranch, they couldn’t find their way back with a map, both hands AND a flashlight!
Would one of the regular FR lefty liberals tell me the fairy tale about how Barry is “focused like a laser on jobs”?? It’s one of my favorites.
Of course, actions speak louder than words and the actual truth is Barry is really only “focused like a laser on ONE job”.
His own.
Too bad the millions of Americans that are unemployed and underemployed couldn’t get together and sponsor a $50,000 a plate fundraiser for Barry. That would get him to pay attention to their plight for about an hour or so.
Pathetic.
From Politico:
Romney, W.H. engage on jobs council inaction
By: Jennifer Epstein
July 18, 2012 04:56 PM EDT
Mitt Romney attacked President Barack Obama on Wednesday for the six-month gap since the last meeting of his Jobs Council, alleging that he’d let reelection concerns trump his stewardship of the economy.
“When something is in trouble, when people need good jobs, you would think the president would focus all of his energy and his passion on helping people get jobs,” the Republican candidate said at an afternoon town hall in Bowling Green, Ohio. “But you know what he’s been doing over the last six months? In the last six months he has held 100 fundraisers. And guess how many meetings he has had with his Jobs Council? None. Zero.”
Backhouse good morning
Thanks for reminding people about the Koch Masters
The Ryan budget is worst than last year's.
"...you didn't build that." Obama/Biden 2012
"Declining confidence in the nation's economic prospects appears to be the most powerful force influencing voters as the presidential election gears up, undercutting key areas of support for President Obama and helping give his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, an advantage on the question of who would better handle the nation's economic challenges, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
Despite months of negative advertising from Mr. Obama and his Democratic allies seeking to further define Mr. Romney as out of touch with the middle class and representative of wealthy interests, the poll shows little evidence of any substantial nationwide shift in attitudes about Mr. Romney.
But with job growth tailing off since spring and the Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, wondering aloud whether the labor market is "stuck in the mud," the poll showed a significant shift in opinion about Mr. Obama's handling of the economy, with 39 percent now saying they approved and 55 percent saying they disapproved."
Romney not only wins, he wins decisively. Because it's the economy and we're not stupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/us/politics/poll-shows-economic-fears-undercutting-obama-support.html?_r=1
Now Obama is gabbing about how he'll "strengthen Medicare". He's had four years to do so, and has done nothing to show for it. But like so many other failures of his, he likes to talk about things, but do nothing about them. This is Obama's MO, it shows he "cares", but he never comes up with specifics on how to solve the problem, or how much it will cost, or where he'll get the money (Why, the evil rich of course, right Barry?).
Obama cares alright, about himself. He couldn't give a crap about seniors or anyone else for that matter. The GOP has their plan, so where's your plan for Medicare Barry-Boy? Or are you going to just fake it again, and just talk about that it needs to be "strengthened"?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Shame the modern day
conservatives have wondered so far off the reservation, they couldn’t find
their way back with a map AND a flashlight!
Good point Fiesty,
Might I add, they have no desire to come back to the future since they are twisted backwards,
It must be nice to attack Ryan's plan when the President has NO PLAN and NO BUDGET (thanks to Harry Reid (D) in the Senate.
I think this is the 4th or 5th year in a row that the Democrats in Congress have not passed a Budget.
I guess Obama's strategy is to ignore the normal process of making a Budget and getting it passed, but that would require that he actually tell Americans how much he plans to spend and what he will spend it on - which might be embarrassing. It's easier to NOT have a Budget that he has to live by, and then criticize anybody that actually HAS A PLAN.
By the way - Ryans' Budget calls for increased spending of about 3% per year, so it's hardly DRASTIC.
Anyone want to -- in a civil manner -- discuss the new CBS/NY Times poll results?? It reveals the reasons why the administration is on the attack and the reason why Gov. Romney is hanging back and will pick and choose his openings. The attacks aren't working as planned. When the time is right -- after the nomination -- you will see an extremely effective and targeted (swing states) message drowning out the Obama lies. One camp is spending through its money like nobody's business now thus asking for wedding gifts and donations to have a chance to meet the president at his birthday party, and the other is sitting and waiting and strategically being very smart.
Jobless claims are also reported to have skyrocketed today but is being conditioned on the claim that this is the time of year for auto layoffs. Also a hard sell.
I don't care that Romnet has offshore accounts, they are perfectly legal. I don't care that Romnet is rich, good for him.
I do care about going back, back to Republican policies that caused the last two recessions, don't want to make that mistake a third time!
Obama/Biden -- improved with national healthcare!!
Obama cut 500 billion from Medicare, and now claims he wants to strengthen it? Romney will hammer Obama on this issue, as Obama is the one that has already cut Medicare. Since Obama has gone off the teleprompter he has no clue what he is doing. More convincing evidence that Obama can read but cannot lead.
Off topic; Again!!!
The amoebas over at the Fear Factory aka FOX NOISE gave a wasteful full hour to George Zimmerman, the murderer of the young unarmed Black teenager, Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman is incapable of the responsibility of truth. Zimmerman said God wanted him to shoot Trayvon Martin.
Sure, God wants racist drive by shootings.
FOX NOISE wasted time .
Seems like the regular liberal posters get their comments in first.
Feisty and Bev, good morning,
GOP has voted repeatedly to let millions of needed jobs lie fallow -- in line with the senior GOP/Ryan/Cantor/Kyl decision on the evening of the President's Inauguration in January 2009 in the middle of a great recession, when they pledged to block all President Obama's efforts to repair our economy and prevent our economic recovery.
True to form, they've created nothing, uplifted nothing. They stood by and let millions of ordinary Americans struggle without work - while they talked, schemed and lied their way to the next election. They committed themselves to negating & tearing down, blocking jobs & stunting American growth in the name of freedom for Who?
Today we know Romney didn't do anything on his own including building Bain. He went to Panama and begged foreign investors for money. What happened to borrowing from Mom and Dad?
Did Bain under Romney benefit from government help? You betcha!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-06/romney-critical-of-government-aid-that-helped-bain-profit.html
"President Obama attacks success and therefore under President Obama we have less success and I will change that…. It goes to something that I have spoken about from the beginning of the campaign. That this election is, to a great degree, about the soul of America. Do we believe in an America that is great because of government or do we believe in an America that is great because of free people allowed to pursue their dreams and build our future?"
Keep on telling it like it is Mitt, and we'll be calling you Mr. President soon enough.
Ben,
Did you miss the last primary cycle? Pretty sure it proved that the Romney campaign is pretty incompetent. If Romney is being so calm and collected why can't he just end this issue the easy way by giving up his tax returns? He's hiding something.
Roy,
Let's stop talking about the blatant lie that Obama doesn't have a plan and start looking at the Republican solutions to put jobs back into the economy or lack thereof.
Another successful business story for the Obama administration:
http://www.lvrj.com/business/amonix-closes-north-las-vegas-solar-plant-after-14-months-heavy-federal-subsidies-162901626.html
Ben,
With the economy still in bad shape Mitt Romney should be up by 5 or 6 points. This shows just how much most voters believe Mitt Romney can't be trusted to run this country.
Weekly unemployment claims
The week before, a 4 year low, covered the holiday week and was expected to be lower this week.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12831996-2012-new-polls?lite
I am not sure Rmoney wants to start attacking people with quotes out of context...I can see Obama's rebuttal ad:
"I like to fire people" Mitt Romney
"Corporations are people too my friend" Mitt Romney
"I am not concerned for the very poor" Mitt Romney
"Wanna bet, $10,000 bet?" Mitt Romney
In Michigan -- You mean a team can't lose a contest and comeback? The team can't retool with new strategists??? You mean a team can't learn from their mistakes and correct and improve??? Surely you know the answer is yes.
As to the tax returns. Well tax returns are personal and private but when running for the office of the President, one gives up some of that right to privacy and rightly so. If any candidate follows the letter of the law when it comes to the financial disclosure rules -- two years of tax returns -- then that is sufficient. It doesn't make jack squat what others have done. It was their choice to go above and beyond the legal standards but it is not law. It also doesn't make jack squat what others ask for. We should not judge someone harshly for following the law.
Dennis -- Nice try at the spin but "fail." It is the president that should be up not the challenger. It is the challenger who is the underdog, not the incumbent.
Another person that has no clue how businesses are created. Very few people have the means and capital to start a business, they have to borrow the money from somewhere to get started. They, and their investors, do this at great risk, and there is a vetting process to understand if the business plan is feasible and well thought out. Are you saying that's what Romney did? He came up with a solid business plan, found willing investors, and created a successful business? He did this without taxpayer money and at great risk to himself and his investors. Gee, what a dope. He should have just got the money from the government - they don't care if your successful or not, it's just the taxpayers money.
I guess you like Obama's "business plan". Deficit spend money, money the taxpayer is on the hook for, and throw it at politically correct "Green" companies that fold up in a year. Think that's a sound business model?
Again: http://www.lvrj.com/business/amonix-closes-north-las-vegas-solar-plant-after-14-months-heavy-federal-subsidies-162901626.html
GOP always wants to change the great success story of government administered medicare into a voucher system, so Mitt the Vulture and other vultures can make more obscene profits and put our grandmother in danger.
GOP's name of the game is market mechanism, but GOP's real intention is to throw our grandmother under the train and give to banksters more opportunities to commit financial crimes that have destroyed many people's livelihood - remember Enron? remember the Great Recession Remember the Great Depression?
Romney: Releasing Tax Returns Would Hurt Me Politically
By Jed Lewison | Sourced from Daily Kos
Loose translation of Mitt Romney's message to Republicans calling for him to release his tax returns: "Guys, trust me, if I release my returns it'll be even worse than it already is."
Mitt Romney on Pittsburgh's WPXI TV (July 17, 2012)
Oh, I think people in my party just say, "Look, this is a non-issue. Just release the returns and it will go away." My experience is that the Democratic Party these days has approached taxes in a very different way than in the past. Their opposition people look for anything they can find to distort, to twist, and to try and make negative.
So:
The absurdity of Romney's position is pretty obvious.
First, if releasing his returns would be a bigger problem than not releasing them, that doesn't say anything about the nature of the Democratic Party—it says something about what's in his returns. Democrats are going to attack Romney no matter what—that's just politics. But releasing his returns will only be a problem if there's something problematic in his returns.
Second, even if Romney's argument were right, it is a terrible one for him to make. It's one thing for a campaign staff to be so blatant about political calculations, but it really doesn't look good for a presidential candidate to make it himself. Romney is basically saying that he's putting his political best interests ahead of doing what's right. He might as well say he's running for office, for Pete's sake.
The only plausible scenario that I can imagine where Romney isn't spiraling out of control on this is that he's planning on releasing his returns soon, and his whining about Democratic opposition researchers is merely an attempt to condition his base to ignore whatever comes out from the documents. Perhaps he's calculating that a document dump followed a day or two later by a bold vice presidential pick could get him off the hook. If so, maybe he's right. But there's really no evidence that he's planning such a move. The one thing that is clear, though, is that the current situation isn't tenable. Something is going to have to give.
Speaking to the Hill’s Alexander Bolton 7/17/12
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) said he heard from a Romney campaign source recently that the presumptive GOP nominee would release more information in the coming days.
“I stand behind him regardless of what he decides to do on that,” said Lee.
That's pretty vague, and if he just releases an additional year or two, it won't settle anything. President Obama has released 12 years of his returns. Romney's father did the same. Now it's Mitt's turn.
By Jed Lewison | Sourced from Daily Kos
Ok Mitt, ball's in your court, we're waiting.
Dennis, do you have a clue about unemployment claims in July and how they are manipulated? Do you know how the Summer Auto shut downs are treated? Do you even know why the Auto companies shut down in the summer?
Do you know how the shut downs were treated this year in the numbers?
BTW Unemployment isn't lower this week it spiked to 386,000 and last weeks number was revised up.
You spout a lot of numbers and polls Dennis, but it is pretty clear you know very little about what is behind those numbers.
So, Romney talking about the economy and Obama's animus toward business owners and the successful- because he believes that government is responsible for success- is somehow "changing the subject"? Silly me- I thought it was OBAMA desperately trying to change the subject FROM the economy TO anything but, in a seriously failed attempt to cast himself as a better candidate. Funny thing, that- after spending millions on ads that have clearly failed- the polls have tightened within the margin of error, but still show a tie- you'd think it would be OBAMA trying something else.
By the way- there's a great new website- youdidntbuildthat.com- to. Heck out. My favorite? If you are part of the 8.2% unemployed? You didn't build that, somebody else did- and he's running for re election.
Bill,
That would ring so much more true if corporation were not considered people. Last I checked they can't build the future or achieve their goals--the people behind them can.
And which Democrat said that it was the government that made America great? Name me one, quoted please with citation, or drop the patriotic talking point.
Ben,
Did I ever say that teams can't? Sorry that you misread my comment, but that wasn't implied at all on my end. I was saying that the Romney campaign only knows how to attack and outspend it's competition.
Also, the precedent was set by his father in 1967 to give up a large portion of a person's tax returns. One year may be a fluke, two years even. The standard is typically 8-12. Romney gave up 23 years to the McCain campaign while running for VP, and McCain said that Sarah was the better candidate.
Those tax returns are done, something is in them somewhere that he doesn't want to get out. Something like not paying taxes in 2009. That would be pretty killer imo.
As long as we are on the subject of spending...
How is this for some good old fashioned fiscal conservatism?
Nice to see Rep. Duffy leading by example om deficit reduction, just like he promised! lol
Still, the RWNJ's fall for this BS hook, line & sinker every single election cycle!
That has to explain why the campaign did everything it could to change the subject -- from hitting Obama on the stimulus, on the out-of-context “you did not build that...”
Obama's small business remark was taken out of context? Really?
"If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
There isn't any ambiguity here. This statement is consistent with prior statements by this President denegrating success and making the case that the wealthy owe all that they have to government. No, this remark about small business epitomizes the entire Obama doctrine.
But keep trying to change the subject. The real battle being fought here isn't about outsourcing or tax returns; it's about whether we want to fundamentally change the nature of our country and it's values and remake it in the tradition of the European socialist states, or if we want to continue adhering to the principles that made this country great.
Then there's this:
Romney is fundraising in the LONDON with the banksters under investigation for "fixing" rates in the LIBOR scandal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romneys-london-fundraisers-will-take-him-to-heart-of-scandal-plagued-banking-industry/2012/07/18/gJQAzKqGuW_story.html?hpid=z3
Good Morning GM!
With a little bit of luck Willard will grab it and go home, like he usually does when he doesn't get his way!
Ummm, I might be going out on a limb here but the guy who said this was pretty clear about his view of government:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
Thanks for playing.
Change the subject?
There is only one subject that will be on American's minds as they go to the polls in November.
The Economy.
So yeah, I hope we get around to talking about that pretty damn soon.
Whether Obama and the Libs here want to or not.
Hey Backhouse, who is going to pay for these jobs public sector jobs? This is a bi-partisan problem so stop demagoguing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/us/in-report-on-states-finances-a-grim-long-term-forecast.html?ref=us
And now the PPACA will add to their financial stress
And on another note, as you continue with your tin-hat crusade against the Koch's. I was watching NOVA on PBS last night and who's name popped up.
Bill,
Somehow I knew you'd bring up the small business comment, which is just the right trying to change the subject. A comment that is taken completely out of context by the media, which typical of media, right and left. Let's try something more outright, shall we?
Bill in Fairfax -- Romney said the same thing yesterday. Keep up.
Don't expect FOX or Rush to play a clip of Romney saying that or this:
My gosh! What a scandal!! This spending MUST stop! Eliminating this spending will reduce the federal deficit spending by 0.000025%, well, at least for one day.
Glad to see you've become a fiscal hawk Dumb Fux. Welcome!
JoAnne
Thank you for agreeing with Obama that businesses get help to be successful.
On the question of businesses and government. If there is no government I believe business and commerce would still occur, but if there was no business or commerce who would pay for government?
Read Guns, Germs and Steel.
SO?
At least it's a start!
Has the "refund check" from rehab arrived yet... honey?
Try a 90 day program next time, 30 didn't do a thing for ya!
Oh, and, would you call me DumbFux again Snuffles? Pretty please?
Feisty -- JAS1 is a typical faux conservative.
Backhouse
Your comments are ignorant and bias, every State had to cut their budget, Democrat states Maryland, California, Michigan lay off public employees since last year in order to balance their budget.
If Obama is so worry about jobs , why he did not meet his Jobs Council the last six months, but he got 100 foundraising. He only care about his reelection,
This is from, the left media. California layoff 19,000 teachers and counting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/union-19k-teacher-layoffs_n_836309.html
Mr. Fairfax, you know as well as I do that he was talking about the "roads and bridges" when he said "you didn't build that".
Hey Feisty, I notice you have been on a "Re-Hab" kick lately?
Must be your subconcious talking.
With all the crowing you do about your drinking here and your constant concern for John Boehner, I guess it makes sense.
Maybe you ought to try to cut back a bit. It might do you some good.
Remember Feisty, admitting your problem is the first step to recovery.
Like that was a mystery. And most get that help with private equity, that they have to pay back, with interest, while meeting payroll, and paying off their suppliers. And if that businessman/woman fails, it's their wallet that gets hurt, not the taxpayers.
We have many mentors and/or influences in our lives that shape our philosophies. Parents are the first place where this begins. One has to wonder about who had a father that provided a card carrying communist as a mentor to his son -- whose statements today mirror those of Frank Marshall Davis. Also a radical minister like Jeremiah Wright as a minister/mentor?? Or a friend who was a radical terrorist showing no remorse in admitted bombings???
I believe we are beginning to see the true inner workings of a man not truly vetted four years ago, and his philosophies are not good for America.
Diane, the fact that all you Libs need to get on here all week and try to explain what the "Greatest Orator of our time" just said is really in a word just pathetic.
He said what he said, why won't you folks just own it?
You believe it, why won't you admit it?
BIll in Fairfax-
The Great Recession was caused by in large part by the Republican party's decades-long warfare on the middle class capped of by the Bush era of deregulation and "tax-cut and spend"..
The Reagan, Bush I and Bush II policies designed to transfer an increasing share of the country's wealth from the middle-class to the very wealthy resulted in the largest Wealth Inequality since the Great Depression. This growing wealth inequality coupled with the mortgage crisis caused the "tipping point" which capsized our economy.
Yet you get on here every day and criticize President Obama's economic policies, claiming they are responsible for our slow recovery.
Mitt Romney's economic proposals are simply a return to the failed policies of the prior administration. His proposed tax cuts on Capital Gains and estates would dramatically increase the deficit yet benefit almost exclusively the wealthy.
Romney has no new plans or ideas on how to create jobs or grow the middle-class. You can complain all you want about the slow pace of the recovery, but slowly moving forward is still much better than falling backwards.
If it wasn't for those bridges and roads how would folks get their government checks? Time to pay your fair share!
If government bridges and roads are what drive success what happened in North Korea, Cuba, Russia, and other commie run governments? Could it be that socialism does not work?
Hell even Woopi G knows it don't work.
"...If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school. You know, this is what happens with communism. It's a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense."
"But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we've seen it all around the world."
The american jobs act was voted on in the Senate backhouse and lost 50-49.
The guy who is taking 500 Billion out of medicare is attacking others on it. LOL. Including a CBO estimate of a 200 Billion hit to Medicare Advantage. Which is why my moms doctor of 25 years is dropping it and she will now have to find a new doctor. The number of doctors taking Medicare/Medicaid is dropping rapidly.
I'm with you on this one sister! Good to see you are finally seeing the light on the outrageous spending done by our representatives. Nice to see that you've joined the fiscal warriors in fighting this massive deficit spending.
You go girl!
And after some much needed rain, it looks to be a beautiful day in our wonderful home town today. Enjoy! Well, if you can manage to get out of the basement.
WCA,
I worked as a third party supplier to auto manufacturers, primarily Honda, for 3 years. The 2 week auto shutdown in July and December should part of the “seasonal adjustment”. Besides I never mentioned auto workers. I was talking about the holiday week and that there was less time to file for unemployment.
But they actually do not impact UE numbers very much because most employees, even at supplier plants, after just a couple years on the job are paid for the shutdown weeks besides you cannot even collect UE until you have been off for a full week. Most people that are laid off for short periods of time don’t file because of the inconvenience.
TNSEVOL ..... explain how the bush tax cuts caused the mortgage meltdown???
Government exists because of We the People. We the People do not exist because of government. The president is looking for a way out thus of his House of Mirrors and he keeps running into himself. It is another attempt to place blame on his failures. To whine and cry like a baby. Uhh Uhhh I didn't cause the bad job market/economy. Someone helped me get here. That dog is not hunting. It's time to man up and take responsibility and live up to the status of President of the United States of America.
So why is Europe in recession? Why did Ireland and Iceland experience a housing bubble? The Republicans and Bush must be the greatest politicians ever. Not only have they blocked the Democrats in this country, even when the Democrats controlled the congress and Whitehouse, but they also caused the a bubble in the property market across the world through de-regulation. (except Canada of course).
And on a further point. The problem was actually caused by a systemic failure that still exists. "Too Big Too Fail". Dodds-Franks has done nothing to change this and because of over-regulation of medium and smaller banks, has actually made the problem worse as the biggest banks are the ones who can deal with the regulation best. I actually support the return of Glass-Stegal and the break-up of the largest financial institutions in the country.
This thing is going to get so ugly this year. It is one thing to have Palin, Sununu, and others questioning the president's "Americanism" but when Romney is giving speeches calling Obama foreign that is when the gloves are coming off. And these attacks on the president regarding Fisker and cronyism are so easily debunked but that doesnt matter to the low info voters of fox news. Facts dont matter.
But you know what does matter is... disclosure. Romney would not have a hint of an attack on cronyism on the president if the president had not released the list of names of his bundles. Something Romney also refuses to disclose. So if you are keeping score Romeny refuses to tell us which govt programs he would cut, which tax loopholes he would end, minutes from Bain meetings that show Romney was not part of the decision making staff after 1999, his tax returns from yrs past, and his bundles. What a great secretive president he would make... NOT!
Romney has acted as if being president is just like running a company as a CEO. But CEOs focus on short-term goals for boosting stock for personal gains often at the cost of the public good; a president should work for 'collective' gains.
Romney the Vulture can never understand this difference - by touting his private sector experience.
When Bush gave many banksters the opportunities to run college loan programs in the name of market mechanism, what we got is runaway college loan costs that have forced our youngsters to get stuck with a huge debt for the rest of their lives.
Thanks for proving my point Dennis. You know nothing about how the UE numbers were manipulated this year, nor do you know whether or not the Auto plants shut down the way they have historically shut down.
First of all it isn't "Seasonal Adjustment". Not even close. Why don't you go off now and try to find out why they really shut down?
BTW 3 years at a Tier 3 supplier doesn't quite qualify you as an expert (or even a neophyte) on the Auto Industry.
Ok LOsMan, for arguments sake we take Fisker out. We so now have 28.8 Billion dollars of our tax dollars being spent overseas.
WCA, Dennis again spins what he doesn't understand-
The seasonal adjustment actually REDUCES the number of claims reported, because it DOES account for regular plant shut downs. Geez. Here's a news flash- January seasonal adjustments account for holiday workers' layoffs.
Actually, Dennis-as-Obama-spinmeister is pretty amusing- he's harmless, unlike the guy he spins for. I came across this little tidbit yesterday, but I was traveling, so did not post it. It goes a long way toward explaining why we were told to "ignore the body language" at the G20 meeting last month
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/18/obama_when_im_in_a_big_important_international_meeting_and_you_see_me_writing_stuff_down_it_might_be_that_im_just_drawing_some_folks.html
So, the-only-adult-in-the-room is like a third grader drawing mocking pictures of the teacher rather than doing his arithmetic. That explains everything - including the economy.
Whatever happened to "American Vision" (aka JFK - go to the moon in a decade)? The government helped with R&D, private companies sprang up, Americans were proud to work together - no matter what party they belonged to. Neither candidate seem to have that kind of vision (or party). And as for the American people? We have become so selfish, we don't care for our neighbors, we are as much at fault as our political parties (and politicians).
@WCA
The plants retool in summer for the next model year. Duh.
TNSEVOL -- Well said. Bill will ignore just as he ignores Romney said the same thing the President said.
JAS1-- What I do know is business, including Bain, has had a helping hand from government. As far as defictis and debt, I prefer a plan similar to Simpson-Bowles. As soon as Congress stops playing games and the obstructionists get kicked perhaps they can get down to business.
So let me get this straight, we're not supposed to process what the president actually said, instead we're supposed to process what he actually meant. Well, I might be a pretty smart guy(at least comapared to the average leftist goon around here) but I sure can't read the president's mind -- and neither can you.
You people can try and spin the president's remarks any which way you want, but at the end of the day he said what he said. Deal with it.
Mr. WCA, I thought Ronald Reagan was the "greatest orator of our time". And what about Mitt Romney? Didn't he articulate exactly the point President Obama was trying to make? You need to "own" that, too.
What about Romney the Governor who worked with a legislative of the opposite party and introduced Romneycare (which when applied to a white guy is not racist apparently).
My daughter just applied for her college loan. Believe me nothing has changed. Explain to me why college costs are growing faster than inflation? Building shouldn't cost more, although every college I visited boasted of their large capital projects, salaries should be flat like the private sector, books should be electronic and cost less (but are not). So why are costs growing faster than inflation? What pressure is on a college to reduce tuition?
On that we agree.
Sorry Phine, but the space program was recently outsourced to the Russians.
No Joe is correct seasonal adjustment does reduce the unemployment numbers reported. Last weeks 350k unemployment report was adjusted down, the actual number of people that stepped up to the window was over 400k last week.
Alan:
'Flip' Romney the 'Flop' initiated RomneyCare, having touting it as a model for the entire nation, but now is criticizing ObamaCare, the federalized version of RomneyCare as government overreach. Obviously Romney the 'Flop' can't be trusted - by constantly changing his positions. - I was for it before I am against it???
LOL JAS1 -- Was it my typo about getting kicked instead of kicked out?
Hey phine, I hope you are well. You remain in my prayers.
Of course you know why the plants shut down, thanks for helping Dennis out.
Romney calls the President a liar about his Bain Capital offshoring, despite evidence he was still in control and picking investment in 2002.
So Romney fights back with "Crony Capitalism" and gets 4 Pinnochio's from the same fact checker as the Bain Capital ad.
Romney is clearly leading in being deceptive.
Romney is deceptive about his tax returns, Bain Capital.
Romney is vague about how his plan would help the economy or jobs.
Romney's message so far: Be deceptive and vague and you can be President.
Bernake. On Tuesday outlined the threats facing the economy, such as European debt crisis.
Obama is a failure. We are stuck in the mod with no chance to get out of there. 5 trillions of debt, 14 % unemployment in real numbers, largest percentage of population receiving welfare, largest percentage population below the poverty line, largest percentage of young people unemployed , and President Obama is ...............playing Golf.
big ATC,
We are talking about Obama i presume when you bring up that figure. Please tell me more about it (cuz i dont know what you are talking about with those numbers) and how it relates to this admin?
So, Obama guts Medicare by $500 Billion for Obamacare, and now he is attacking Romney ? Does this President have no shame ??
Obama's plan was to shift more Medicare patients onto Medicaid and make the states responsible for their care. But part of the Supreme Court ruling was the Federal Government could not withhold Federal funds, thus forcing state compliance with the new mandates. Many states are broke right now and facing serious financial struggles of their own. They simply will NOT expand Medicaid coverages to bail out Obamacare's shortsighted assumptions.
Then Obama attacks Romney ??? Is the Hypocrite-in-Chief serious ???? All Obama is doing is playing the fear game with seniors, hoping they will be dumb enough to believe him.
Don't carry i agree on simpson boles. As Boles said ..it is stupid to argue over a potion of the current code, the whole thing needs to be redone throwing out the loopholes.
I have 2 businesses also, and outside of paying taxes and driving on roads the govt does nothing for me. Nothing. The input a govt has on making a business successful is very very small. Nothing remotely in the scope of "somebody else made that happen"
WCA:
Couldn't get back to you today as I had promised. Back with a full apology tomorrow. Please don't feel victimized.
LosMan... the Fisker example you mention has been quoted as part of the outsourcing the Administartion has done with jobs going overseas paid for with our taxes. For example fisker is now building in Finland because our system here is too burdensome for them.
The total is just over 29Billion that is being spent overseas of OUR tax dollars. I was just subtracting some for Fisker as you said that could be debunked which would take us under 29 Billion.
The new CBS/NYT is very telling. You don't have to wonder why Obama is on attack, but at the same time the attacks don't seem to be working. Maybe the endless barrage of blame and excuses for the past 3.5 years have people seeing Obama as acutely negative. Romney on the other hand is gaining in the polls but not spending, which means he will dominate the airwaves this fall.
The latest CBS/NYT polls says.
Obama Job Approval: 44% approve 46% disapprove
Opinion of Obama: 36% favorable 48% unfavorable
Obama Handling of Economy: 39% favorable 55% unfavorable
Obama vs Romney: Romney 47% Obama 46% (statistical dead heat)
Not much to brag about for a sitting president. If this polling trend continues Obama is in real trouble. Remember Carter led Reagan by 8 percentage points in late October and lost by 10. Lets hope history repeats itself.
Walker, I have no idea what you are talking about?
Feeling a bit full of yourself, are you?
The big Republican lie: "Obama cut 500 billion from Medicare".
PolitiFact National found the law does not take $500 billion out of the current Medicare budget, but reduces the growth of Medicare spending by just over $500 billion over 10 years.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/jul/11/sean-duffy/wisconsin-gop-us-rep-sean-duffy-says-obamacare-law/
TNSEVOL – Yes I do criticize Obama's policies just as much as you criticize previous Republican policies. So what's your point? Of course, a key difference between us is that I don't see previous Republican policies through the same twisted left wing prism you do. Indeed, you might want to consider the FACTS of the Bush economy:
When Bush came into office the economy was sputtering and GDP growth was -1.3% in the first three months of his presidency. Things perked up a little in the next few months but turned negative again later in the year. All told, from January 2001 when Bush took office until May 2003 the economy was growing at a lackluster average real annual rate of 1.4 percent. As a response to this underwhelming growth Bush passed his famous (or infamous, depending on your point of view) tax cuts. The 2001 legislation established lower marginal tax rates that were to be implemented over a multi-year period, but the May 2003 legislation cut that schedule short and implemented the full reductions immediately. So, what happened next?
In the three years after the tax cuts were fully implemented the economy grew at an average real annual rate of 3.3 percent – well over twice the growth rate of the first two years or so of the Bush presidency. And in the four year period after the tax cuts were implemented the economy added almost 8 million new jobs and the unemployment rate dropped from 6.1% to 4.4 percent. As well, federal tax revenues increased by over $800 billion, rising from 16.2% of GDP to 18.5% of GDP – a clear and indisputable example of lower tax rates leading to the higher tax revenues that can be derived from a more robust economy. And finally, the federal budget deficit declined from $412 billion in FY2004 to $161 billion in FY2007.
So the reality is the Bush policies weren't driving anything into any ditch and his tax cuts helped pull the economy out of a slow growth funk and produced some nice economic numbers – numbers that are publicly available on government websites that my cuddly leftist friends can look up whenever they decide to seek the real truth (links below). We can argue about the cause of the housing bubble burst that obviated all of these impressive gains, but there is no factual basis to criticize the performance of the Bush economy prior to that burst.
BTW, I've included (as I usually do) links to UNBIASED sources that document the facts in this post. Perhaps you could do the same to document the inflammatory statements about middle class wars etc in your post – or would those just be the OPINIONS of an unrepentant leftist shill?
http://bea.gov/national/xls/gdpchg.xls
http://bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z1.xls
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist02z3.xls
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?data_tool=XGtable
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The only folks around here I consistently ignore are the ones who are intellectually challenged. Thanks for reading.
And 'Flip' Obama attacked Hillary Clinton and John Edwards by declaring "I don't believe you should force people to buy Health Insurance", but 'Flop' Obama signs into law the individual mandate forcing people to buy Health Insurance or pay a tax (regardless of your income level). So if I can't trust Romney, although he claims that his was a state not a national solution, why can I trust Obama?
WCA:
Short memory, WCA? Here's your post from yesterday. Please explain the purpose of question marks. Do I misunderstand them, or were those rhetorical questions?
So, I leave you with this question. Is the right question whether I am full of myself, or whether you are full of crap?
That is an interesting question. The current vision for this year seems to be: Do we or don't we raise taxes on the rich? Where are Romney's tax returns? Who creates businesses? Is dog meat good to eat, especially if it's been on the roof of a car for a few days? Should we extend the "Bush" tax policies, you know, the ones everyone hates? Is George Zimmerman black? White? Hispanic? A Black-white-hispanic perhaps? Just how many more ways can the government find to spend money?
Things have gotten pretty trivial from the heady days of Kennedy pp.
Eric, you do understand that in Washington a "decrease in growth" is the same as a cut?
Just ask any Liberal.
I’ve read through the article and most of the comments and really, at this point, there isn’t much to say that’s going to bring reason to this discussion.
But – “youthful drug use?” Really? Then someone better let all the other youthful drug users out of prison...
Both have their own meaning, and both are correct.
There are not many people in Congress, on either side of the aisle, that deserve much respect.
Fools Gold, there's no ambiguity here, you're the FOOL. This taking lines out of context crap may work in your trailer park but the non teabaggers here on first read are brighter than that. I will give you credit for using a self portrait for your avatar however, not many folks do that. So NoBo Blow Joe says there's a website for this lie? Do you, blow joe, Brian B, Spider, et all go there and whack off together on a Skype conference call or what?
Bev You call the Martin tragedy a murder, despite the fact that no verdict has been rendered. Biased. I have yet to see you call all those gang drive-by shootings in Chicago murder or even address the problem. Your police chief blames the pilgrims for the problem and there have been more murders in Chicago than troop deaths in Afghanistan this year. Must be safer in a war zone than Obama's hometown.
Jobless rates are up to 386,000 this week and Obama is to busy campaigning to meet with his jobs council regularly, despite his promise to, and as Jay Carney said, he has a lot on his plate. Yeah reelection is more important to him than the American people.
According to Obama anyone with success, someone else made that happen. Guess him taking credit for Bin Laden is wrong, since someone else made that happen. I wonder who? Hmm #43 comes to mind.
Got to go to work. Will respond 5:30 California time. All Have a great day.
The President has Romney in such a fit He doesn't know whether He's abed, riding a nightmare, or awake, wishing to be abed riding a nightmare. Poor fellow. I think his looks and name contribute to His consternation. He needs to consider a muscle shirt with those jeans. Then add a mustache and upper arm tattoo's. Maybe, one of those "dont tread on me sum-bitch" on one arm, and a good looking naked woman on the other. One of those that wiggles her ass when He flexs His bicep. Needs to drop that name too. "Mitt"? Gwaddamn!, that's enough to kill Him, right there! Go with "Mike", or "Matt". Umm. uh, Not "Mac". Hell no. That wouldn't ever do. Everyone knows "Mac's" are natural sons-a-bitches. Nooo, stick to something simple like I said before. Just trying to help ya, Mitt.
Eric you are correct it doesn't take it out right NOW, but it still is taking out 500 Billion that would not have been taken out had he not passed Obamacare.
Which puzzles me, the fact that in order to give access to medical attention to people, he is paying for it through reduction in medicare. And 19 of the 21 new taxes in Obamacare goes directly on medical issues. Drugs, wheel chairs, etc. Of which 75% of those new taxes will be on people making UNDER 120k. What happened to no new taxes on people under 250k?
So in order to give us medical access he is taxing medical access. DOH!
WCA -- you may not have heard, but David has a mirror in every room in his house. Just so he's never more than a glance away from admiring himself.
Why are many of Feisty's comments keep getting collapsed? The right wing nuts just love to hide the truth. Not only do they want to hide their own dirty secrets, they find it necessary to hide any truthful comments that other people post. They are just so despicable! On the other hand, libbys shouldn't collapse the other side's comments either. We should let the whole world see how ridiculous the right wing nuts could be.
Anyway, what nuts could think Romney has any experience or even any knowledge in economy? His experience is in business, NOT economy! He's a friggin' dirty businessman who thrives on taking advantage of others. That's what business has become, make profits without regard how it affect others. In order to make loads of money from business, you have to be so selffish and self-centered. That's what Mitt Romney is! Economy has a much wider scope in overseeing every aspects including international affairs. Right wings nuts are too pigeon-holed into their own ego and they never see beyond their own interest. They never understand economy. That's why economy usually slumps under republican control.
I can't believe people keep buying such BS that Romeny knows how to improve the economy. That's like appointing the Enron CEO Kenneth Lay for Secretary of the Treasury. You might as well kiss the U.S. economy goodbye!
Obama/Biden: of the 99%, by the 99%, for the 99%
Mitt Romeny: of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%
Richard , Carney is correct BO has had a lot on his plate. 107 fundraisrers since he last met with his jobs council over 6 months ago. Priorities.
They probably aren't keen on coming back as the last suggestion from the 26 person council about corporate structure was ignored. Just as he ignored Boles Simpson.
Big,
I think that because you have to have healthcare ins., you will pay your deductible and the ins. company will pay the taxes on these items.
Bill in Fairfax, as usual, is intellectually dishonest. Most around here know that.
Not to mention he's obsessed with David Walker. Get a grip Bill.
Sex, lies and video-tape!. That pretty much sums up the GOP for me.
They have been lied to, they have been convinced to vote AGAINST their own enlightened self-interest, time and time again. It is hard for me to understand, but it's a fact.
Wages for America's working classes have been stagnant for the last 30 years. That fact coincides with another interesting fact: over the last 30 years Organized Labor has seen it's power, influence, and membership plummet. Coincidence? I don't think so. Organized Labor and collective bargaining have been so weakened that they are now prey to an open, full scale assault ala' Ohio and Wisconsin. And yet, just last night, I had a friend telling me how Unions are ruining this country. I don't think the evidence supports that claim, but he believes it none-the-less.
Only one segment of our society has seen a dramatic, almost unbelievable increase in their income. The upper 2%. The wealthy. Not just the rich, but the filthy rich. Another coincidence? I don't think so.
Now let's look at who has been in control for most of those 30+ years of economic stagnation. Eight years under Reagan, four years under Bush I and eight more years under Bush II who nearly bankrupted the country and drove the world into depression with his unfunded mandates wars and tax breaks for the wealthy.
Only twelve years under the Democrats, eight for Clinton, who left the country with a surplus when he left office and almost four under Obama who has had to face an unprecedented financial crisis bequeathed to him by his predecessor, Bush II. So who caused all this economic stagnation? The Unions? The Democrats? I don't think the evidence supports those conclusions, but yet many of you cling to them like a mantra, like it was the gospel.
Time after time, working class Republicans continue to support their party's candidates. They continue to listen to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and they vote AGAINST their own personal interests in each and every election cycle.
This posting will draw the usual "oh yeah" comments from the right, defending their choices and trying to divert attention from their own bizarre behavior and the anti-social philosophies of their candidates. But the facts are the facts, folks. You can't make this stuff up.
When will you wake up and smell the coffee? When will you admit you have been deceived? How much longer can you survive with your head in the sand?
The GOP's presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney, is the embodiment of all the problems caused by the GOP over last 30+ years and the decline in the earning power of working class Americans.
He bought and sold companies. Gutted them of all their resources and shut them down. He put tens of thousands of Americans on the unemployment line so he could bolster his own, personal, bottom line. He will say or do ANYTHING to be elected President including the destruction of his sole achievement in public office: Romneycare, the model for Obamacare.
Geeez folks, what does it take?
The man keeps his money off-shore in secret accounts. He's got more money than GOD for heaven's sake and he made that fortune over the broken dreams of the working classes.
This is the man you want to be President of the United States?
Incredible, unbelievable, absolutely amazing. And yet you will argue with me, insult me and criticize me for telling you the truth and pointing out the inconsistency of your position. You are repeatedly shooting yourselves in the foot, reloading and doing it again.
C'mon folks, it's time to pull your heads out before you destroy us all. Stop parroting the princes of propaganda and think for yourselves.
Obama/Biden 2012
Big ATC,
That has been debunked by numerous news organizations. Havent you heard about those funds being block grants to use by that company only in the US?
Further evidence of this is that American family net worth has recently been overtaken by Canadian family net worth. You know Canada, that horrible socialist country with the government-run health care system, high taxes, a highly-regulated banking system, handgun control and all those other evils we are so intent on avoiding.
So tell us oh wise one, just which FACTS in my post about the Bush economy demonstrate intellectual dishonesty?
This election will be all about the economy.
Does the American electorate want to sacrifice the hard won progress made despite the Teapublican intransigence or do they want to return to the failed policies of the 43rd President's administration?
President Obama will destroy the Mittronic Rombot in the debates.
Should be fun! Because...
Rombot.Has.Nothing.
P.S. Great to see you Phinephancy, get well soonest.
If conservative super PAC money manages to elect mittens as POTUS, kiss what
little freedom you have left, goodbye because it will be privatized like
everything else.
Cant, afford to pay RomneyCo Disaster Response Services LLC? Then, let your
house burn! You don't deserve to own a home! Don't worry, we have RomneyCo
private debtors prisons for the irresponsible made homeless by there own bad
decisions.
Can't afford to send your kids to RomneyCo Private Education and Mormon
Indoctrination Centers? Shouldn't have had kids! Don't you know how to practice
personal responsibility(as long as it's not birth control)? Don't worry we have
RomneyCo factory jobs for the children of deadbeats.
Can't afford to pay RomneyCo Law Enforcment Services Inc.? Then, you deserved
to get raped! It's not our fault your parents couldn't afford to send you to
college. Being irresposible is the same as asking for it!
Can't afford to pay RomneyCo Voter ID Services? What makes you think you
deserve to vote? We have to save the votes for the most important citizens,
those that are publicly traded!
Can't afford to pay RomneyCo Healthcare Services? Please hurry up and
die!
Don't worry we know what is best for people like you. Here, get on
this freight train with the rest of your friends and family, and we will send
you somewhere where they will make it all better.
Is that the world that conservatives want? I doubt it but, that sure seems to
be the way they are headed! @!$%# that!!!!
Ben 636050, you wrote:
Sorry Phine, but the space program was recently outsourced to the Russians.
Well Ben to shoot a hole in your skewed post,
Here's the full and true story on the space program being outsourced by.................ta da.... the one and only George Bush.
www.rawstory.com/.../romney-adviser-nasa-outsourced-to-r...Cached
You +1'd this publicly. Undo
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the law does not take $500 billion out of the current Medicare budget, but reduces the growth of Medicare spending by just over $500 billion over 10 years.
I don't know where you and Politifact get your information, but you are both wrong. DSHS had their budgets cut and because money is fungible (a concept that liberals seem to have difficulty understanding), cuts were made across the board. These cuts were not limited to the Advantage program or covered by elimination of "waste and fraud" as the Democrats claimed. Instead, facing the budget shortfall, DSHS made cuts to all of it's programs and additionally laid off some of their employees. They sent out case workers to identify beneficiaries of both it's Medicare and Medicaid programs who they felt (a subjective criterion) could afford cuts to their benefits. Additionally, cuts were made to rates paid to the providers. Because these DSHS workers did these things knowing that their jobs were potentially in jeapordy, they did them aggresively. Apparently they did not cut enough because many of them were laid off anyway.
You do realize $500 billion is a lot of money, right? Anyway Penguin Boy, next time you start spewing garbage about what's been cut from these programs, maybe you should talk to some seniors who are utalizing them first. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence out there that shows that lying with facts and figures is a pretty easy accomplishment.
Bill in Fairfax -- First you deflect by saying dishonesty in your "Bush" post. No where did I mention that post. I was referring to your posts yesterday and today and the way you warped and twisted what the President said and meant on the "build" statement. Then you ignore real evidence of Romney, in his own words, saying the same thing President Obama said, government is helpful and no one has succeeded on their own.
Since you mentioned the Bush post, I will say that you are being dishonest there as well. Bush's entire economy was built on leverage. If the Bush economy was built on real growth the housing crash wouldn't have wiped away all gains made over the past decade or two.
Here's a great view/chart of that bubble and the dot.com bubble.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/wealth-destruction/
FYI Haven't read your links yet. We shall see what you pulled out.
In case you missed it Bill in Fairfax.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12835480-measuring-key-presidential-candidate-traits
Europe is mostly in recession because they were greatly affected when the housing bubble and the American financial industry collapsed, as the world's financial systems had been linked together by financial ties. The European crisis was worsened when Germany ordered that countries like Greece and Spain engage in harsh short-term austerity in return for bailout loans. The austerity led to higher unemployment, higher deficits, more bailouts, and more harsh austerity. The Republicans were pretty smart when Dems had the power after 2008. They filibustered almost every Democrat-sponsored bill in the Senate; hell, the only way Obama could get the stimulus passed was by making it smaller. If you can hold up just one of the two legislative houses, you can effectively negate an entire government controlled by the opposing party.
$500 billion may seem large at first glance, but considering that it is stretched over several years, it is actually quite small, especially when compared to Medicare's expected growth in expenses.
Well, considering that green energy is going to be the new big industry and that countries like China and Germany are investing in green energy, investing in alternative fuels is a win-win. If the world faces global warming, we get some credit for staving it off. If it doesn't happen, we get economic benefits. As for deficit spending, I would say that deficit spending is necessary during a recession. You cannot expect to balance the budget during a recession and expect it to improve; so, borrowing money for things like infrastructure projects, aid to states, and extending unemployment benefits would act as a boost to a weak economy. You conservatives really need to read more on economics.
To any conservative who supports the Ryan budget, I have one question for you: are you insane??? The Ryan budget is the most radical, right-wing budget in the modern history of the United States. It does NOTHING to fix Medicare or Medicaid; it just passes the burden on to seniors and the states while doing nothing about rising medical costs. As for Social Security, instead of simply raising the payroll tax rate, all it does is advocate for "bipartisan legislation," although automatically ruling out either removing the cap on the payroll tax or increasing the tax rate. "Patient-centered reform" is just a conservative veil to hide the fact that the GOP has no long-term solution to our broken healthcare system. The last plan they had was called a "free-market alternative" to Clinton's healthcare proposal in the early 1990s, and that is already being put into effect under the Affordable Care Act. Everything else in the budget savings part of the budget targets programs like food stamps and education, cutting these domestic programs from around 12.5% of the budget to 3.5%. And then they throw away all these regressive savings on a huge tax cut for the wealthiest Americans, claiming to make it "revenue-neutral" by eliminating deductions and tax credits that aren't even stated. The Ryan budget is, as the President said, thinly-veiled Social Darwinism.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
$500 billion may seem large at first glance, but considering that it is stretched over several years, it is actually quite small, especially when compared to Medicare's expected growth in expenses.
Freshieee:
Why don't you try telling that to the seniors who have lost their benefits or the DSHS workers who lost their jobs? Also, which states right now can afford at least a billion dollar decrease in it's yearly federal funding? Remember, unlike the Federal Government who can borrow money with apparent impunity, most states are required to balance their budgets (another concept foreign to Democrats/liberals).
And the providers? While you may see that as "sticking it to the man", all cutting their rates accomplished is that it reduced the options available to seniors, further impacting their already beleaguered lives. You see, now the only the lowest rate providers (doctors, skilled nursing facilities, adult family homes etc.) will even take Medicare/Medicaid.
As for Eric's ignorant statement about these cuts being "future spending", let me point out that the bill passed more than two years ago. The "future" that both he and Politifact are referring to is now.
Oh, so when a Republican chooses to cut spending on things like education or food stamps, you call it "fiscal responsibility," but when a Democrat does it's "cruel and heartless???" Don't give me that layoff crap and the whole bit on seniors. You know as well as I know that everybody is going to get hit by deficit reduction; and hell, I would much rather take $500 billion in cuts to Medicare than privatizing the whole damn thing, which would force many seniors onto Medicaid. But oh wait, Medicaid is already going to be cutting beneficiaries, so too bad for the seniors!!
That is why I say expand Medicare for all, end fee-for-service payments (as Obamacare does), and pay providers based on improvements in patient health. Medicaid will take care of the poor, while Medicare ought to cover the rest of us, and with a few reforms, like ending the fee-for-service system, we will greatly reduce the cost of our healthcare system.
Actually, Politifact referred to Obama's cuts to Medicare as reductions in future increases, so according to numerous conservatives who comment on the Newsvine, Obama isn't making any cuts to Medicare since reductions in future spending increases aren't cuts at all.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Freshieee:
If you read Eric's original statement, he is trying to make the claim the the ACA did not impact Medicare and if I read the last paragraph of your comment correctly you make the same claim. You can call the cuts: cuts to future spending, cuts to increases to future spending or "spinach" for all I care. This is my point about money being fungible, it doesn't matter how you label it, if the Federal Government takes money from one place to spend it in another, there is a void left in the place from which they took the money. To compensate for this, states (who need to balance their budgets) took actions through DSHS to account for this which resulted in the cuts to senior benefits and the layoffs of the DSHS employees. This has already happened.
Oh, so when a Republican chooses to cut spending on things like education or food stamps, you call it "fiscal responsibility," but when a Democrat does it's "cruel and heartless???"
Typical non sequitur liberal arguement.
Don't give me that layoff crap and the whole bit on seniors.
The reason that the layoffs are important is that it has seriously degraded the service available to seniors. As for "the whole bit on seniors", isn't that what we're talking about?
You know as well as I know that everybody is going to get hit by deficit reduction
We aren't talking about deficit reduction (that's a conservative idea, remember?), we're talking about robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Democrats are robbing the Medicare Fund to pay for the ACA.
That is why I say expand Medicare for all, end fee-for-service payments (as Obamacare does), and pay providers based on improvements in patient health. Medicaid will take care of the poor, while Medicare ought to cover the rest of us, and with a few reforms, like ending the fee-for-service system, we will greatly reduce the cost of our healthcare system.
Why is it that the the solution always has to be more government? Whenever the government gets involved in anything, it costs more. Why? Because there is no longer the element of competition so people charge the government whatever they want. I would argue that this is one of the reasons senior care is so expensive. Companies and service providers expect the government to be subsidizing the payment and price their products and services accordingly.
Then tell me why you aren't criticizing Ryan (who Romney supports) for throwing the majority of health costs on seniors???
And Ryan is robbing the social safety net to pay for tax cuts for the rich. The only difference is that at least the ACA does something to help AVERAGE people, not those at the top.
Why is it that the solution has to be less government??? Every time we see that growth is small or that job creation goes down, conservatives always bitch about "less regulations" and "tax relief???" Take a look at the world; the vast majority of countries have universal healthcare, and many of the best countries in terms of healthcare have GOVERNMENT-RUN systems. France has a government-run system; and it is the best country in the world in terms of healthcare. And Canada, well, you already know that they are a lot better at healthcare than we are. Economically speaking, the government scores well on healthcare, as Medicare is known to be a lot cheaper in terms of administrative costs than private providers. Morally speaking, I don't think it's ethical or fair that people ought to make money off of other people's agony. The free market fails at healthcare; if it succeeded, costs wouldn't be rising at twice the rate of inflation. I would say go to a European-style healthcare system, where everyone is covered and pays for it out of taxes instead of premiums and co-payments. It works a helluva lot better there; why not try it here??? We tried private healthcare; we should at least give socialist healthcare a shot.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Take a look at the majority of the world? The majority of the world is in or headed into a recession. China is struggling, the EU is struggling, many nations are being humbled through mountains of debt. So yes, let us look at the world, or just look at the states showing recovery vs those in decline.
The states here in the US that elected Republican governors in the last election are recovering at twice the rate of those electing democrats. Rather than all these lunatic liberal rants, and all the complete nonsense about higher taxes being any kind of solution when they would raise less than 10% of what the fools in DC overspend each year, how about we look at what is working NOW, here in the US, in states that are recovering, states with low unemployment.
But you see that won't play well with the liberals that want to see $24 trillion in debt, all to serve their greedy little hearts. More government is not the answer, as the government we have wastes $100 billion a year and counting, is now assassinating "enemies" around the world using drones, while funding jobs in Mexico, China and parts of Europe using our tax dollars.
Really? Sources please.. The only thing that seems to be booming right now is oil and gas drilling. If that is what you are referring to then you are being misleading.
Government doesn’t create jobs
That is and has been the main talking point of the Republicans for a long time. However with the sequester just around the corner Republican are now talking about all the jobs that will be lost due to the loss of funding for many Defense contracts but no discussion for job losses for the other half of spending that will be cut – jobs eliminated from the discretionary spending.
SEN. JON KYL
Now: "The whole point here [staving off the sequester] is to try to get some economic growth, job creation, to get out of this recession." (5/24/12)
Then: "Faced with the reality of historic unemployment rates and record federal debt, I had hoped that President Obama, by now, would understand that even more government spending doesn't create jobs." (9/09/11)
SEN. KELLY AYOTTE
Now: "So we're not just talking about the jobs issue, which is, of course, of concern to anyone who serves in Congress. We're talking about lost lives if we don't give our men and women the equipment that they need." (6/24/12)
Then: "It's not the government that's going to create jobs in this country, it's our small businesses, it's the private sector." (9/22/10)
REP. BUCK MCKEON
Now: "Sequestration's impact on the economy would be sudden and severe, … resulting in the loss of about 1 million jobs in 2013 and 2014 and a half a percent cut to America's already meager economic growth." (6/24/12)
Then: "We don't look to the government usually to create jobs. What we like to see them do is get out of our hair and let us create the jobs." (5/21/12)
Republicans want their cake and to eat it too.
Just hypocritical bullcrap that is perpetuated by the American right over and over and over because in order to cover up the fact they lack any solutions that are not exactly what got America into this mess in the first place.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
Government doesn’t create jobs
That is and has been the main talking point of the Republicans for a long time
The Republicans and Mitt R-money are such oxymorons.
Yesterday, R-money contradicted his initial statement when he listed the government agencies that help business with seed money.
Romney, let's see those tax returns. Hiding something? We think so.
OBAMA 2012.
Think all you want. It means nothing. Gov. Romney is following the letter of the financial disclosure laws and all the whining, conspiracy and insecurity doesn't mean squat. Sorry.
There is the law, and then there is precedent which Romney's own father started. Because one or even two years can be flukes. I think it is pretty clear when even the right is calling him out on this that is a big problem for Romney.
Also, what does it say about how he will govern? As a secretive Wall Streeter who will keep America in the dark because it doesn't suit his personal feelings. Which is not good.
Obama show us your college transcripts, show us your SS application, Hiding something? We think so!!
ROMNEY 2012
Bill in Fairfax wrote, "Romney not only wins, he wins decisively. Because it's the economy and we're not stupid."
And we all know that the Bush/Rove administration intentionally ran up the deficit so the economy would tank, giving conservatives a reason to cry that we can't afford social services.
Maybe we're not all stupid, but working people who support Republicans are.
".. like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders..."
Fool's Gold
That has to explain why the campaign did everything it could to change the subject -- from hitting Obama on the stimulus, on the out-of-context “you did not build that...”
Obama's small business remark was taken out of context? Really?
Sorry Fool
You sound like batcrap crazy eyed Michelle, Bachman in drag.
Romney echoes Obama line on public institutions
But six days after the speech, wouldn't you know it, Romney decided Obama was right after all.
Mitt Romney says entrepreneurs need government to start their businesses
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/19/12830947-romney-echoes-obama-line-on-public-institutions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1cgSXUQDTM0
The deficit in 2007 was only 160 Billion, as opposed to the constant 1.3 - 1.5 Trillion deficits lately. If you only look at numbers the last several years are where is appears to be ran up intentionally.
Obama transcriptsare base on the Communist Manifest.
GOVERNMENT DO NOT CREATE WEALTH.
SUCCESSFULLY OF BUSINES DO NOT OWE THEIR SUCCESS TO THE GOVERNMENTT
Obama don't know how this country got success, his narrow socialist ideology don't go that far.
California Tom
Romney, let's see those tax returns. Hiding something? We think so.
California Tom,
Let's keep the pressure on R-money to release what he is hiding. Here is what veracity stew found out about;
Sanctimonious Hypocrite: Mitt Romney's Investment in Iranian Oil (VIDEO)
http://veracitystew.com/2012/06/12/sanctimonious-hypocrite-mitt-romneys-investment-in-iranian-oil-video/
OBAMA /Biden 2012.
redvirginia
What do you owe your appalling writing skills to? You are one of the many reasons that the US is now ranked so low in education among the developed nations all of which have highly developed socialized education systems.
What Mitt is Hiding?
When someone decides to run for the highest office in the free world, full disclosure is not that candidate’s “personal decision”! It is a national imperative. Here is what The Stew found on Mitt Romney’s 2006 financial disclosure form. We, the electorate of the United States of America demand to see more.
If any of the above was part of Barack Obama’s investment portfolio, the Right Wing would be going nuts. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck would be frothing at the mouth. Mitt Romney would be doing his robotic “lumber to the left, then to the right while smacking his lips” rant about how un-American Barack Obama is. They’d be calling him Israel’s Muslim enemy. Yet Mitt Romney invests in Iranian oil, and pumped money into the economy of Israel’s enemy in 2006, even after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for the annihilation of Israel in 2005.
http://veracitystew.com/2012/06/12/sanctimonious-hypocrite-mitt-romneys-investment-in-iranian-oil-video/
Ben - not a republican or democrat, but "following the letter of the financial disclosure laws" was superseded by Governor Romney's father, and sometimes the "spirit of the laws" is sometimes greater.
Again, not a republican or democrat, and if I see that the "problem" is that due to losses in 2009, the Governor paid no taxes, I'm probably okay with that. It's the tax laws that are out of sync and if he followed the laws, he did nothing wrong.
So, let's talk about job building "ideas." I hope you all know that it's Congress that proposes these sorts of "ideas." What has been proposed by the republican majority House? I really would like to know. So, tell me all you right wingers. And please back up whatever you say with "reputable" sites. All I know is the thousands and thousands of public sector workers, both state and federal, who have been fired. So, I understand how to raise the jobless rate; tell me how republicans plan to lower it.
Romney call Obama a liar regarding Bain Capital using the Washington Post fact checker, then to fight back Romney accuses Obama of "Crony Capitalism" only to get 4 Pinnochio's on that accusation from the very same Washington Post fact checker.
Romney's campaign is all about being deceptive and vague.
Those qualifications don't get you the Presidency.
Worked for Obama!
Deceptive: "I don't believe you should force people to buy health insurance".
Vague : “I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
GOP wants the tyranny of the market...the Koch Brothers want to stick their cock at you. Can you believe the Repugnants still make their arguments about their 'perfect' free market in the Great Recession caused by the tyranny of the market.
The new CBS/NYT poll is very telling. You don't have to wonder why Obama is on attack, but at the same time the attacks don't seem to be working. Maybe the endless barrage of blame and excuses for the past 3.5 years have people seeing Obama as acutely negative and the polls reflect people are tired of it. Could be that people don't feel Obama can lead, as even he said this past week that Washington is still broken. Romney on the other hand is gaining in the polls but not spending, which means he will dominate the airwaves this fall.
The latest CBS/NYT polls says.
Obama Job Approval: 44% approve 46% disapprove
Opinion of Obama: 36% favorable 48% unfavorable
Obama Handling of Economy: 39% favorable 55% unfavorable
Obama vs Romney: Romney 47% Obama 46% (statistical dead heat)
Not much to brag about for a sitting president. If this polling trend continues Obama is in real trouble. Remember Carter led Reagan by 8 percentage points in late October and lost by 10. Lets hope history repeats itself.
The result of the lower level in education in USA is because the unions are in control of our educational system.
Mitt Romney's latest attack ad outright doctors Obama's quote that businesses didn't build the infrastructure that made their success possible.
Greg Sargent has this from the Romney ad, with the doctored quote:
This is the REAL quote, with the two deleted sentences in quotes:
Note that not just words have been deleted, but two whole sentences have been edited out to falsely make it sound as if Obama were making the absurd claim that business people weren't responsible for their own success.
This is even more dishonest than the Romney ad that purported to show Obama saying he'd lose the election if he talked about the economy when he was actually quoting a McCain aide talking about McCain's prospects for the 2008 election.
It's really sad that a despicable liar like Romney has a 50-50 chance of becoming the next president. And you can bet the stream of lies and cover-ups from a Mittens administration is going to rival or surpass Tricky Dick Nixon.
Eric, there have been SEVERAL sources proving Obama assertions FALSE.
Big ATC, The 2007 "budget" did not include the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush and congress did not include those to make it look better. So, there is not a real comparison here.
As for intentionally increasing the deficit, I do not think anyone tried to create more debt. It is about bad decisions and the "pay later" mentality. Just like millions of American households.
redvirginia
And you don't know how to speak, write, or understand English. Maybe that's why you fell for Romney's doctoring of Obama's statement on how businesses need infrastructure provided by the public sector in order to be successful. Or maybe you're just gullible.
@Houston.....IN or OUT of context the statement is clear.....Obama thinks there is no such thing as INDIVIDUAL entrepreneurial DRIVE!!! That's probably because his Socialist / Communist mentors GAVE HIM ALL HE EVER NEEDED. Obozo may not have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but he sure was fed with a severely tainted SILVER SHOVEL his entire life. Hence the arrogant and pompous attitudes towards those of us who worked hard as hell to succeed and GOT THERE. Unlike his life spent trying to destroy all this country stands for with his biased racist redistribution of the nations' and INDIVIDUALS wealth to his UNSUCCESSFUL , and yes LAZY, Constituents. Suck on it you idiot. Your Great OBUMMER is a master at doctoring others' words and statements, along with his lackey minion lying theiving Chicago thug hoodlum buddies. (At least those remaining that he hasn't thrown under the OBOZO TRAIN. that same train that will carry his sorry as* back to Chicago, or Kenya, in defeat in November).
Apparently I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack Obama does with mine. How silly is that!
Houston
Obama when is not with his teleprompter he speak his mind , now everybody want to undo his comment. Elizabeth Warren the wanna be Massachusetts Senator said the same. People make wealth taking the money to some one else. This is a clear ideology of Obama and the left faking to be a mainstream American. Government is the provider , government own the success.
Thank you BHO for allowing me to have a business, for now...
lol
wftjes66
I think you are making a very good point; perhaps without realizing it. This is about vetting a potential President of the United States to make sure he will look after YOUR money (if elected.) What Romney does - or has done - with HIS money in the past is one of the best ways we can look at this.
If involvement can be proven in dodgy or fraudulent tax returns - he should not be elected to run our country. Not releasing those tax return prevents that examination. The reluctance or refusal to release the returns sows considerable doubt.
Imagine you need to hire a plumber. The person you interview tells you he has successfully fixed sinks before. You ask for references and he/she refuses. Would you hire that plumber?
"...(President Obama will) introduce another attack: hitting Romney on Medicare and the Ryan budget."
Actually, Romney did such a bang-up job when he gave speeches to the NAACP and Latino activists, maybe he should speak in front of AARP and explain the Ryan Plan to them. He could do for the senior vote the same suicidal thing he did to the minority vote: lose it!
If this man cared about America he would withdraw from the race.
What a miserable failure.
Let's see those tax returns.
And, oh by the way, open Hussein's records.
We may find that Romney is guilty of being rich (shame, shame), and Hussein is guilty of (gosh, who knows. All his records are closed. Wonder why?)
redvirginia,
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
ahem. That is all.
Angie
You may find it quite helpful to actually understand what you are saying.
Big ATC quoted the Total Budget - that includes Everything including the wars.
The Government has 3 categories. Total Budget, Federal Budget, Off-Budget.
Total = Federal + Off Budget
Off Budget = Social Secuity, Medicare, Medicaid, and is where the cost of the wars were placed because Republicans. It became placed there because democrats objected to the large Budget deficits, so republicans offered to put it under the off-budget category. With a little research, you will find that manuveurs like this have been done in the past to hide big spending.
Belfast
You are demanding a closer look under the hood of Romney and still haven't really looked under the hood of Obama.
Nice!
And Belfast - Romney's money has been in a blind trust since 1997. If you have seen one of his returns, you basically have seen them all.
Since you don't understand how a trust works, you put your money in there and get a monthly draw to live off of. Its not like Politicians who seem to know no end to thinking they can get more money and spend (waste) it.
So where are Obama's college transcripts? Hidden and not to be released. We all know that Romney is rich, so why fuss about his tax returns. I want to see 4 years of college transcript that explain how Obama got into Harvard. If he got admitted on the basis of scholastic qualifications why hide them? I suspect he got in on a minority program and bumped more qualified white students out.
According to the Republican Party, government (i.e. run with a Democrat in the Whitehouse) doesn't create jobs.
However, cuts to DEFENSE spending (as authorized by a GOP House) will cost jobs.
See the difference.
Belfast Lad
I understand your point but you are way off base. Romney has already proved himself to be a successful businessman and those are all the references he needs - income taxes are not references in the context we speak here. Obama has refused to turn over items that were asked for - possibly believing that some might be considered for use as attack items by the opposition...what is HE hiding. This is Romney's position. He does not wish to play this game. Just because others have released several years of their returns does not make a law to have to do it nor does someone have to release any more than he deems necessary - that should NOT be construed as presumptive of hiding any wrong doing.
Obama is an empty suit that absolutely can not run on his record, he therefore has to change the play field focus - he's done a fair job but he is running out of things he needs to refocus peoples attention - to avert attention away from his lack of accomplishment - many people believe he is trying to force Romney's tax returns out in order to find more weapons to use and to take out of context against Romney.
BTW, my original statement, noticed by you, was not made without my full realization of what I was saying - only a few comprehensive readers would have noticed. Also, I am an Unaffiliated voter and I vote for whom I consider to be the best qualified for the job.
"...my original statement, noticed by you, was not made without my full realization of what I was saying..."
All of your posts are like that...and trust me, we all notice.
LOL......
Mr. Obama "attacking Romney on Medicare" while Mr. Obama's Mandated Universal Health Care Reform legislation cuts about $ 500,000,000,000 from Medicare and TAXES Medicare recipients. Now, just who is ATTACKING MEDICARE ?
Wow, Mr. Obama is sure diverting from HIS ECONOMY.
BTW: Where is Mr. Obama's college Financial Aid papers ? WHY hasn't Mr. Obama released them ?
Still looking for revenge for our last confrontation, huh! Typical juvenile action, pathetic! You still need to take a reading comprehension course because you really suck at it.
Revenge? As I recall you wilted like a prom queen's wrist corsage. The fact that you would say such a thing makes it clear you still have a rash from your last drubbing, but say what you like: it's no secret to anyone that your posts are pointless and meaningless.
Keep 'em coming, though! I would hate to deprive the rest of the community from the comedy provided by your insane fantasies!
Sailcat-2064101
Wilted, hahahahaha...I just got tired of your asinine comments filled with ignorance and baby talk. I'm tired again - so now just go away.
WTFJES66, what items has President Obama refused to provide? Now, make triple sure you actually know what you are talking about and not just repeating something you heard some blogger or Beck say. What are these things?
Let's see, he's turned over many years of tax returns. He settled the birth certificate question - even though I've never, ever ever heard of any President or presidential nominee having to "prove" they were born here.
So, what are these "things" The President has refused to turn over?
In case you haven't noticed, we are in a RECESSION. Recessions cause deficits by decreasing tax revenue and increasing spending on social programs due to high unemployment and failing businesses. Secondly, the recessionary deficit was stacked ON TOP of the Bush deficit, which was expected to be $400 billion in 2009. And by the way, 2007 was the peak of the housing bubble, which artificially grew the economy and federal tax receipts.
Conservatives, we already know that Obama was a relatively good student in Harvard. For God's sake, he was elected president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review, graduated magna cum laude, and even found a way into Harvard. You don't get into the Ivy League without at least some level of academic achievement.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DB Akron
Romney has far from proved himself a successful businessman. He inherited money and parlayed it into a fortune. My definition of success is not he who has the most toys. I think we deserve to see whether any of his gains were from gaming the tax laws.
"If we have seen one of his returns we have seen them all" maybe, but I would prefer the American people to be the judge of that and not you, a person who does not know nearly as much about trusts as he thinks.
What are your objections to seeing how a person running to manage the largest economy in the world handles his personal finances?
Medicare:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/26/protecting-medicare-benefits-and-offering-clear-choices-seniors
Protecting Medicare benefits, and offering clear choices for seniors.
"Romney's money has been in a blind trust since 1997. If you have seen one of his returns, you basically have seen them all."
What? Even Romney has said blind trusts are a "ruse". According to Mitt's notoriously incomplete financial disclosures, most of his money is in private equity funds that are managed by his old friends at Bain Capital. His money, therefore, is still within his reach and he has confirmed his 1994 statement that blind trusts are ruses...especially in his case.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/24/romneys-blind-trust-ruse/
In contrast, as a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available.
Let's see that sort of transparency from ol' Etch-A-Sketch.
IM A LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE!!!
CRY CRY CRY TAX RETURNS!!
SOB SOB SOB RICH RACIST!!
BOO HOO BOO HOO MEDICARE!!
This entire campaign Obama has not been able to point out one success of his administration.... Wonder why.
Enjoy the next 4/5 months morons.....change is a coming!
TO: Ben-636050 who wrote:
It doesn't "mean squat" to a person who doesn't have or clue or any understanding as to why Romney's Tax Returns are so important, and it probably doesn't "mean squat" to Republicans who are almost forced to Nominate a felon from their group, because the Republican Party seems to be short on Honest Americans in their group.
To the rest of America and the American People, honesty and integrity mean a lot, especially after the way George "Curveball" Bush and his Republican Administration just burned the crap out of America, and the American People!
Obama/Biden 2012
TO: NON Socialist/Marxist who wrote:
He has many sucesses, maybe you're just deaf, dumb and blind to it.
Hell, Republicans haven't been doing anything other than reciting their "talking points" for the past 3-1/2 years.
Republicans sent a bunch of Teabaggers to Washington in the last Midterm Election Season for the specific purpose of stalling any Recovery from the financial meltdown Republicans caused in the FIRST PLACE, and you wanna blame Obama!
Republicans didn't want any recovery. Republicans didn't want there to be any jobs, and Republicans did everything in their power to force failure on America and the American People.
Maybe Republicans are deaf, dumb and blind to all things political, but the rest of America is NOT.
Obama/Biden 2012
BabyBoomer48
Here's my response, you may have to cut and past to your browser:
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2t1UcSv5l1o
Aside from being Bain Damaged, Romney's support of Paul Ryan's plan to give seniors coupons for health care won't sell in Florida. Oh please, get a spine Romney and pick Paul Ryan as your VP, hahaha.
NON Socialist/Marxist --
We are all socialists, especially seniors on Social Security and Medicare. Aside from our nation being a hybrid from early on, unlike communism (as practiced), socialism is not exclusive from capitalism. Thus the hybrid in which the US is best of breed with both.
The reason the rightwing loves to muddy these terms, for example "European" and now Romney repeating "foreign" is to try to paint the president as something "Other." It all gets back to racism and lies about his religion and plain bigotry. The Republican Party has always been a sanctuary for bigots, so sad.
Let's talk about "Other." Stephen Colbert pointed out something interesting -- that Nevada (for example) is trying to remove the option of "None of the above" from the ballot before the 2012 presidential election. Why? Because Romney IS "None of the above" and doesn't want to compete with the actual "None of the above" option.
So ask yourselves, what's worse? Being 'Other" or being "None of the above" and it becomes clear why Teapublicans are SO desperate to paint the president as "Other."
"BOO HOO BOO HOO MEDICARE!!"
Non Socialist/Marxist has some maturity issues he feels are necessary to display on a public forum. It is an affliction he shares with others of his failed political persuasion, unfortunately.
"Apparently I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack Obama does with mine. How silly is that!"
NO! It is all about what Mittens did with OUR MONEY. Unless he releases his tax returns, WE MUST ASSUME FRAUD.
He has, get this, 100 MILLION DOLLARS IN AN IRA. In an IRA!
THAT is IMPOSSIBLE!
A 33,300 percent return on his money. That would be like putting three thousand dollars in an IRA and having a MILLION dollars ten years later. IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT FRAUD or INSIDER TRADING!
No. What is wrong about Romney is that he thinks it is the American way to GET MONEY and CONNECTIONS from you WEALTHY FATHER and then DESTROY other people's lives so you can get even more WEALTHY.
THEN he has the UNMITIGATED GALL to CHEAT ON HIS TAXES. It looks like HE STOLE FIFTY CENTS from EVERY MAN, WOMAN and CHILD in the UNITED STATES.
No. Mitt is a DISGUSTING, WHINING LITTLE RICH kid. HE MAKES ME SICK!
Wrong....Democrats were the first real racists and bigots. They were the party of the KKK, the Republicans brought that to a halt.
FDR initiated the first Medicare program, Harry Truman amended it and JFK & LBJ began Medicaid....ALL DEMOCRATS.
Democrats have a long history of socialism, racisim and bigotry!
Senors have nothing to do with it, they were made to pay into these programs through payroll taxes and now they receive benefits (rightfully and without guilt) as their right!
Thank you for posting, redvirginia and non socialist. We all need a daily reminder of the illiteracy, brainwashing and cold heartedness of the fascist-based "tea" party.
DB Akron - Do you really want to stand by your position that the only requirement for being president is that you are successful at business? The fact that it appears that Romney is only successful at a business that destroys or relocates American jobs does not work well for him and one is only left to assume that he is not candid about it because even he knows that it will destroy any chance of winning a vote from any moderately intelligent American. My friend is a successful roto-rooter guy...does that qualify him to be president? (even though the House could use a good flushing of the bloated, smelly teabaggers).
"Our money" - When? When he was governor and didn't accept any pay for it?
And, why "must you assume fraud" - that is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard! When you assume you just make a jackazz out of yourself!
Ask yourself (if you can) who were the first people obama paid off with his "stimulus money" (our tax money) AND what did you get (we) out of it? I suppose you have evidence of all the other crimes you are accusing Romney of?
Let's see now, there was the ripping off of the economy with corporate raiding and shipping jobs overseas, then the ripping off of government (tax payer) money by shorting pension plans, causing local economies to raise fees, and borrowing government money to do all this destruction, not to mention shady use of tax shelters, IRAs, and other instruments to evade paying his taxes...
If you think the un-American things Romney does, along with the other 1%ers like him who enjoy a system rigged in their favor at your expense isn't "our money" then you are as Bain Damaged as Romney is.
Gawd, I wish the rightwing riff raff could go back to Fox Nation. I prefer not to be reminded on a daily basis how bad our education system really is.
TruePatriot-445959
You are without a doubt worse than stupid - I can see that you are upset with all the rich people who have taken advantage of our tax system to their benefit. I'd bet money you have a a hard-on against anyone that has made money in the system that YOUR elected officials made - dem & rep.....and I'd bet again that if you had become successful, have made a lot of $$ you'd take the same tax advantages just like all the other rich people - don't be such a major hypocrite. Blame yourself as much as you blame the right or any one else - it took both parties to screw you but you were easy (like the rest of us were)!
American Girl:
Republicans sent a bunch of Teabaggers to Washington in the last Midterm Election Season...
WRONG -- get some education before you spout off. The American PEOPLE send Representatives to Congress, not just one party. Remember we have elections where the people vote. If Obama had not been doing such a crappy job the people would not have voted in those candidates whom you seem to dislike. You are not a one person dictatorship, although it is clear that you would like to be. You want a dictator stick with Obama.
Had the teabaggers been honest about their intentions instead of pretending that they cared about "jobs" and "fiscal responsibility", they never would have made it into congress. Since then they have proven that they only care about their fascist evangelical agenda and the teabaggging voters have continued to prove that they are completely brainwashed...proven by certain comments like "You want a dictator stick with Obama."
Only someone that hates the American way of life and wipes their bum with the ideas of our founding fathers would call the freely, democratically elected President of the United States a dictator. It's disgraceful and the teabaggers roll in it like a pig in feces.
Interesting to see the new polling information today. Despite the onslaught of attack ads, the race remains a 47% / 46% dead heat. Guess the Bain argument hasn't gained any traction for the Obama campaign.
What was really interesting was the question about Obama's handling of the economy. Obama's favorable rating had slipped more than 5% from a couple of months ago. This could be a point of vulnerability that the Romney campaign will exploit in the next couple of weeks.
Lot's of time left.....pass the popcorn!
Funny you should make that kind of analogy. Read your history. The democratic free people of Germany were free, then along came Hitler, who promised to make their lives easier. The democratic free people of Russia were free, then along came Stalin, who promised to make their lives easier. Sounds a lot like the current occupant of the chair in the Oval Office, who's promising to make our lives easier because we deserve it. I question his motives since the teachings and friends of obama where the like of Bob Ayers, The Honorable(?) Reverend White, BHO Sr.. All teachers of Marxist/Socialist theology, these associations would tend to make an intelligent person question ones character and motives - not like many on the left who would "ASSUME" someones quilt when there are no facts in evidence, the height of hypocracy. One could say, "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - "IT'S A DUCK".....or call a spade a spade (no pun intended)!
Hitler was a right wing fanatic and it was Lenin, not Stalin, who initiated communism in Russia.
How much more of your incredible ignorance do you wish to display wtfjes? Were you home schooled?
Most home schooled people that I know have a much better education than those who went the public route. Were you public schooled?
Shockedanddisgusted
Go back to school you dumbazz, and this time try to stay awake!
Another phony fact from a dumbazz lefty. What did you do cut and paste this from some one else's post - you don't seem to be smart enough to come up with this on your own.
Shock: I am no teabagger. How can you proffer, with a straight face, that the teabaggers won the midterm elections through dishonesty, when Obama ran a totally dishonest campaign in 2008. If he had told the truth about his intentions, particularly the fiscal ones, he would have gotten killed. Do you read the news? Other than running an autocracy, what do you think Harry Reid and Obama are doing. Is that the Constitutional Process that the framers intended. How about using Executive Orders to spend taxpayer money, increasingly subsidizing entitlements, to buy votes. How about sicking Holder on swing states to try to prevent the implementation of voter ID so he can garner the illegal alien voters. How many times has he met with his "Jobs Counsel" in the last 6 months - zero - but he managed to do over 100 fund raisers in that period of time. The only thing Obama cares about is himself -- the American People and the Constitution be damned. In your writings you claim to be intelligent -- bet you never read the Constitution. Your knowledge of it is sadly lacking. Bet you never read Holder's response to the 5th Circuit contradicting Obama's out right lie and asinine statement to the American people (remember he was a Constitutional Law "professor") that it would be unprecedented for the Supreme Court to hold an Act of Congress unconstitutional. Bet you never read Marbury v. Madison. I could go on and on but I'm trying to make this brief so I'll stop here except for one last comment. Why won't Obama disclose his college transcripts, why hide them? What was his LSAT score? Don't you wonder why he got into Harvard? I don't think it was brains. He hasn't shown any brains in the past 3 1/2 years except in the area of campaigning.
PS: You language reveals your breeding, ignorance and lack of education.
New report foreshadows post-election assault on pensions, social programs in US
By Jack Hood
19 July 2012
The State Budget Crisis Task Force―a body set up by former New York Lt. Governor Richard Ravitch and ex-Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker―has issued a report aimed at preparing public opinion for an unprecedented attack on social services and public employees after the November elections.
The findings, which detail the deepening financial crises facing state and local governments, claims there is no money to continue funding public services and employee wages and pensions at current levels. The report’s authors advocate huge cuts in health care and other services and the elimination of health and pension benefits won by public sector workers over generations of struggle.
While the report is presented as an unbiased, objective analysis, neither Ravitch nor Volcker are neutral observers. On the contrary, both are long-standing Democratic Party operatives tied to Wall Street and corporate America who oversaw ruthless attacks on the working class in the 1970s and 1980s. In addition, Ravitch in particular, has close relations with the AFL-CIO trade unions, which have collaborated in the attack on public employees.
“The fiscal crisis for states will persist long after the economy rebounds,” the New York Times wrote in a summary of the report, citing “rising health care costs, underfunded pensions, ignored infrastructure needs, eroding revenues, and expected federal budget cuts” as reasons for concern over long-term budget volatility.
Expenditures, the report claims, “are growing at rates that exceed reasonable expectations for revenues… The existing trajectory of state spending, taxation, and administrative practices cannot be sustained. The basic problem is not cyclical. It is structural.”
The report ignores the real causes of the fiscal crisis. In the nearly 100-page document nothing is said about how state, local, and federal government coffers have been emptied by corporate tax giveaways, multi-trillion dollar bank bailouts, and multiple wars and overseas interventions. The economic breakdown that followed the Crash of 2008 hardly merits a mention even though it led to a plunge in tax revenues as millions lost their jobs, home values plummeted and small businesses, starved of loans, went bankrupt.
The main target is public employee pensions, which have been neglected and underfunded by the states and have also seen a dramatic fall in assets as a result of the financial crisis that began with the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September, 2008. Wall Street is now hell bent on looting pension funds just as it has done the public treasury.
“Legally and politically, legislation directed at new hires is the easiest to achieve because new hires are invisible and, until hired, do not vote in union elections (where unionized),” the report explains. “[B]ut such modifications produce the smallest immediate savings and do not reduce unfunded liabilities.”
In other words, simply attacking new hires, a common tactic states and local governments have used with the willing collaboration of the unions, is not enough. Current workers and retirees who have been paying into pension funds for decades must be made to pay for state deficits, despite the fact that their share of national wealth has been on the decline for the previous four decades.
The report points to an aging population as a particular reason for long-term concern. The next two decades will each see 30 percent+ increases in the over-65 population, resulting, the report claims, in increased stress on Medicaid and pension funds. Rising Medicaid costs, which must be paid on account of Medicaid’s status as an entitlement program, “can no longer be absorbed without significant cuts to other essential state programs…this trend is likely to continue,” the report states.
A 7.2 percent average growth in Medicaid spending is expected over the next five years alone, which, when coupled with a 3.9 percent growth in revenue, will result in an annual budget gap of $23 billion for the states by 2017.
In pointing to these trends, the report echoes complaints made by sections of the American ruling elite―like their counter-parts in Greece and other European countries―that workers are simply living too long after retirement. According to this argument, the supposedly bloated health care and retirement benefits of workers not the near-criminal and criminal activities of the financial aristocracy, is bankrupting the country. Typical were the comments of Robert Benmosche, the multi-millionaire CEO of American International Group (AIG)―a company that received a publicly funded bailout―who recently said retirement ages in the US and Europe should be raised to 80 years old.
The task force sheds the usual crocodile tears for “hard choices” before praising both state governments controlled by both political parties for their attacks on public employees. Some of the deepest cuts have been made in New York, Illinois and California, all controlled by Democratic governors.
“Governments have been making changes. Between 2009 and 2011, 43 states either increased employee contributions or cut benefits or both. Additional changes will be needed.” These are not empty threats: this report foreshadows the strategic assault being planned by the corporate and political establishment.
While the Obama administration made trillions available to Wall Street banks, it has provided no bailout to state and local governments, which have eliminated 600,000 jobs since the Democratic president took office. On the contrary, the White House has deliberately starved the states and cities of federal funding in order to advance its agenda of slashing the jobs, living standards and working conditions of teachers and other public workers and privatizing public education and other assets.
In the coming months, the states will be required to foot more of the financial crisis, as the Obama Administration is expected to make heavy block grant cuts to state and local governments following the November election. The Obama Administration’s Budget Control Act of 2011, according to the Congressional Budget Office, mandates that “discretionary spending for education, transportation, and housing programs benefiting state and local governments will shrink by 35 percent between 2012 and 2022. [The CBO] project[s] that selected income security programs, primarily those benefiting children, will decline by 35 percent during the same period.”
Ten percent cuts to federal block grants would also result in a $60 billion annual loss for state and local governments. This amount is “nearly twice the size of the combined tax increases that states enacted for 2008 through 2011,” the report claims.
These cuts are being made to offset a 47 percent mandatory increase for entitlement programs. The aging population met with high unemployment and the resulting loss in employer-provided health insurance plans has led to a drastic increase in the Medicaid and Medicare rolls.
Though the health care benefits and retirement savings of millions of public employees is up for the taking, the trillions obtained by the banks, Fortune 500 companies, and financial speculators in the aftermath of the financial crisis are not in play. More than 90 percent of the income produced in the post-2010 “recovery” went to the top 1 percent, but this huge sum is off-limits to settle state and local budgets.
The findings and recommendations of the Task Force are unsurprising given its architects. The Volcker and Ravitch are long-time enemies of the working class. Volcker, a life-long Democrat and former Chase Manhattan Bank executive, served as Chairman of the Federal Reserve under Presidents Carter and Reagan. In 1981, he drove interest rates to a record 20 percent, precipitating what was up to then the worst downturn since the Great Depression. Mass unemployment, factory closings and union busting were used to batter down the resistance of the American working class, which had repeatedly defied attacks on living standards through militant strikes by coal miners, auto workers and other sections of workers in the 1970s.
Volcker praised Reagan’s smashing of the 1981 PATCO strike as the most important action “the administration took in helping the anti-inflation fight.” The firing of 13,000 air traffic controllers, Volcker gushed, transformed “the climate of labor-management relations” both “profoundly” and “constructively.” He most recently was appointed by President Obama to Chair the Economic Recovery Advisory Board, a post that he held from 2009 to 2011.
Richard Ravitch’s past is similarly unambiguous. A former unelected Lt. Governor of New York, Ravitch served as an adviser to former New York Governor Hugh Carey during the “bailout” of New York City in 1975-76. Using the threat of municipal bankruptcy Ravitch helped design a plan that mandated draconian cuts to social services, eliminated of tens of thousands of city workers’ jobs and slashed wages for remaining employees. It also led to the first-ever tuition fees for the City University of New York students along with a sharp increase in transportation fares.
Ravitch worked closely with then teachers’ union chief Albert Shanker and other labor officials to use workers’ pension funds to purchase $2.7 billion in city debt. The plan also created the Financial Control Board, which gave banks the power to veto city spending measures and labor contracts.
During the 11-day New York City transit worker walkout Ravitch served as strikebreaker in chief as Chairman of the Metropolitan Transit Authority. Before his stint as Lt. Governor, Ravitch―a wealthy real estate developer―sat on the Executive Committee of the AFL-CIO Housing Investment Trust’s Board of Trustees, a joint business venture of the trade unions.
The additional nine members of the task force are not politically distinct from Volcker and Ravitch. They include Nicholas F. Brady, former Secretary of the Treasury under Presidents Reagan and Bush; Peter Goldmark, the former budget director of New York State; Alice Rivlin, former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve under the Clinton Administration; and former Secretary of Labor, Treasury, and State, George P. Shultz.
The bipartisan character of the Task Force points to the vicious attacks being prepared against public employees and essential social service, regardless of whether President Obama or his Republican challenger Mitt Romney wins in November.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jul2012/task-j19.shtml
The religious cult candidate is a s o b.
ArchStanton - the article statement "While the Obama administration made trillions available to Wall Street banks, it has provided no bailout to state and local governments . . ." is misleading and flawed.
While money was definately provided to stabilize the financial sector money was also provided to the States as part of the Stimulus Package. For example Google how Texas used those funds to balance its state budget.
Also, the bailout to the financial sector provided a measure of stability for State Retirement funds. If the sector had continued its crash, then even more value would have been lost in the Retirement Fund investments.
That said, there are some financial structural flaws that need to be addressed. For example, the ability of institutions to engage in collusion to manipulate interest rates (Libor).
Cut, Cut, Cut! Programs for the needy, programs for the poor, programs for seniors , programs for education, programs for women. Give, Give, Give ! Tax loopholes for the rich, give a ways to corporations, programs for banks, programs for Businesses. Republicans are the new American terrorists.
calm down.....have another drink of koolaid from the lib/dem cup and read some more from their book: "How To Fool The Stupid And Get Away With It", then keep on voting for the "free slice" of paradise that they promise you.......holy crap on a cracker you people are so gullible! Obama feeds on your belief that you think he's going to make your life better - how's it been working for you the last 41 months?
wtfjes...So are you trying to convince us that Lenin had nothing to do with communism in the former Soviet Union? That Hitler wasn't right wing? Easier to make a juvenile comment about me than to face the fact that you are completely ignorant, isn't it.
Gil...You say you are not a teabagger and then proceed to barf out every Foxy-notsy news lie of the day. Saying you are not a teabagger means that you are either in complete denial or you are a liar. Either way, it makes you horribly irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that when you call the democratically elected President of the United States a dictator, you show your disgust for the United States and it's founding fathers.
I come from a long line of very staunch right wing Republicans. Though proud of my heritage, it has been a struggle to overcome that slight genetic defect that causes people to have retarded, republican political opinions.
Shockedanddisgusted
I was not drawing comparisons to political parties....only that dictators happen because people become complacent and fall victim to promises of an easier life. I mentioned Stalin and not Lenin, again I was not alluding to any political party only to the man who was promising paradise - Stalin...have you read his story? If not you should...sorry, but ambushes happen here and I sensed you as one of those kind. Not many posters here want to have a civilized debate so I respond in language they understand when I sense attack, my apologies.
Shock: I believe I asked a few questions concerning your knowledge of the Constitution, along with many others, which you neglected, or do not know, how to answer. Like wtfjes66 I don't want to engage in a bar room debate, especially with someone who does not know what he is talking about. Are you capable of an intelligent response?
I hear this all the time... and it is a lie! The budget deficit was only $160B - but answer this: National debt at the end of FY 2006 was $8.5T, at the end of FY 2007 it was $9T, where the hell did that come from?
George W. Bush was a master at keeping things off the budget. Two wars, most of the spending for Homeland security and a whole lotta Republican pork was all paid for with "emergency spending measures". They aren't figured as part of the budget.
If you add up all of Bush's budget deficits they only total about $2T over 8 years. But the national debt under Bush increased from $5.7T when he was first elected to $11.9T at the end of his last budget. No president ever spent like Bush. At the end of 8 years he doubled our national debt and left the economy in the worst shape it has been since the Great Depression.
Do we really want to repeat that?
Shockedanddisgusted
It is almost impossible not to call you a lying son of a bitch because that post is just pure hatred on your part and it is more than difficult not respond in kind.
You start out by calling a grass-roots political movement an insulting name. Then go on to stereotype them with stereotypes you bigoted liberals put in place.
Why in the hell is it so difficult for people like you to comprehend that there are people that do what they are elected to do. People like you get all bent out of shape when someone disagrees with your plan for this country. I've got news for you. There are millions of us that don't agree with you and every time you make a post like that our resolve gets that much stronger to stop you. We had hoped we got rid of idiots like you back in the 60s and 70s when actually all that is happened is that you have changed politics.
And to set your ass straight, left wingers are those that want more and more government involvement in every aspect of our lives just like the Nazis, Fascists, Communists and socialists. Especially the Nazis who advocated eugenics for control of undesirables in their population just like Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood.
Ron Paul supporters:
There is a storm swirling in the financial world to do with what is called the LIBOR rate. For those on this board who may not know, “the Libor rate is part of the bread-and-butter of high finance. It is used to calculate the payments on literally hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of financial contracts - several times global GDP, the value of everything produced on the planet in one year”. The rate is set by 15 British, US and other International banks. Although Barclays’ appears to be the main transgressor on the surface, it alone could not manipulate the rate and the stink of other culprits is rising.
www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/new-york-times-gretchen-morgenson-applaud-british-issue-challenge-to-american-regulators-20120709
In the light of all that has transpired in the world economy since 2008, I am flummoxed by Republicans stonewalling the much needed reform and strengthening of existing regulation let alone their desire to even further deregulate an industry comprised, to put it mildly, of thieves. As a close friend in the financial academic world put it, “the LIBOR scandal is huge and I suspect that the US wants to run away from it because a lot of the $$guys are funding presidential candidates. I suspect they will all get spanked in Europe.”
Although I am not a follower of Ron Paul and the Gold Standard he promotes, the words of Thomas Paine hold an eerily prescient warning: “… the evils of paper money have no end. Its uncertain and fluctuating value is continually awakening or creating new forms of deceit. Every principle of justice is put to the rack, and the bond of society dissolved: the suppression, therefore, of money might very properly have been put into the act for preventing vice and immorality.”
Although Romney is not responsible for the LIBOR rate which has become nothing but manipulating the interest rate on debt for profit, this is much the same stinking pool that Romney swam in (his friends still swim in that pool). He manipulated the value of a company’s indebtedness in order to profit himself and his investors to the detriment of many a worker and their families. That any Ron Paul supporter would vote for him is beyond me.
blackcatwhitecat,
The libor scandel reveals the whole banking system is rigged from the inside.
Manipulating the benchmark for interests rates for all type of loans, pension fund returns, credit cards, mortgages is another example of the their core value: greed.
Meanwhile here in the US we are getting ready for our election for President.
More money will be spent by the super-rich to support their candidate. This includes a Romney fundraiser in London for $50,000. per person gathering. Wonder if they will talk about the LIBOR rate?
Northstar good morning!
Wonder if they will talk about the LIBOR rate?
Especially since the original host, CEO Bob Diamond, had to resign in disgrace over this scandal. He's known as Romney's man in London. Those tentacles reach far and deep.
In all likely-hood it is possible that Bain has been playing with Goldman Sachs so I would expect so. A quiet behind the doors report for Romney on his investments that he knows nothing about.
GM,
Oh! that is priceless!!
Romney's man in London is disgraced CEO Bob Diamond.
BCWC,
Romeny"know nothing about" his blind trust. And of course he knows what is in his tax returns....or maybe not?????
Romney supports deregulation, and we've just seen Barclay's try and fix interest rates.
A vote for Romney is a vote for corporate greed and corruption.
I guess Obama supporter Jamie Dimon is not part of this stinking pool? What about Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner who knew about the rate fixing in 2008 and sent one e-mail on the subject when he was chair of the NY Fed? Does he swim in the stinking pool?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-banking-libor-geithner-idUSBRE86H0OV20120718
....and you think Romney would do anything about that ??? NO.
The GM bail-out was the scam of the century. Did it create any jobs here in the U.S.? No. they laid off 25,000, closed 17 plants (Volt production just moved to China), and five brand names are gone forever.
GM took our money and ran to China and opened 11 new plants, hired 35,000 Chinese.
GM is alive allright, on the backs of Chinese slave labor. Those Chinese slave cars have been sold here in the U.S. for year now.
Worse? GM has informed congress of their intent to move all their U.S. Manufactuing off shore.
Glad you supported GM getting U.S. taxpayer dollars? Want to see GM survive, prattling on how America needs an auto industry?
Instead we get this, GM plans to shift overseas production:
General Motors Corp. will shift more production of vehicles bound for the U.S. market to China, Mexico, South Korea and Japan, but will keep total imports at roughly one-third of all sales here.
In a confidential 12-page presentation to members of Congress, obtained by The Detroit News on Friday, GM said it will boost U.S. sales of vehicles built in those four countries by 98 percent -- or about 365,000 vehicles -- while shrinking production in Canada, Australia and European countries by about 130,000 vehicles.
GM also disclosed it will start importing vehicles made in China in 2011, reaching 51,546 vehicles in 2014. Imports from South Korea to the United States will jump from 36,967 vehicles in 2010 to 157,126 in 2014.
The automaker said it is canceling expansion projects in Russia, India and Mexico.
GM's plan to import more vehicles from low-wage countries raises questions about whether it should beef up its foreign operations as it is relying on federal money to stay afloat. It also puts the automaker at odds with the United Auto Workers, which is trying to protect U.S. jobs amid a dramatic restructuring of the domestic auto industry.
GM has faced strong protests from the union that its turnaround plan unfairly targets U.S. workers and plants for cuts. GM plans to trim 21,000 hourly workers and close 13 of its 47 U.S. plants by the end of 2010 as part of a tougher recovery plan sought by President Obama's auto task force. It will close three more U.S. plants by 2014.
UAW legislative director Alan Reuther wrote a letter to Congress:
Unfortunately, the latest restructuring plan put forward by the company calls for the closing of 16 manufacturing facilities in this country, including four assembly plants. This will result in the direct loss of 21,000 jobs.
The ripple effect at suppliers, dealers, and other businesses will cost tens of thousands of additional jobs, devastating numerous communities across the United States.
Incredibly, between 2010-2014 GM's restructuring plan also calls for a 98% increase in the number of vehicles it will be importing into the United States from Mexico, Korea, Japan and China, with the number of imports from these countries increasing from 371,547 to 736,743. As a result, the share of GM's sales in the U.S. market that will be imported from these countries will increase from 15.5% to 23.5%. The overall number of vehicles GM will be importing in 2014 represents the production of four assembly plants, the same number that GM plans to close in the United States.
Who else says @!$%# 'em? Let them be liquidated in bankruptcy, save the UAW pensions and health care and let's be done with this Benedict Arnold corporation. Why are we pouring U.S. taxpayer money into some labor arbitraging behemoth? Let's just kill this globalization that just bit them but they want to do it again monstrosity and start over.
GM is still $30 Billion in debt! What the cite profit, is net-profit, after their bills are paid.
GM should have not been bailed-out
NorthstarDFL & Gingerbeard Mama
Romney's man in London is disgraced CEO Bob Diamond.
BCWC,
Romeny"know nothing about" his blind trust. And of course he knows what is in his tax returns....or maybe not?????
He knows.
R-money said --The blind trust is an age-old ruse,” Romney told the Boston Globe in October of that year. “You give a blind trust rules." - Romney's own mouth in 1994.
Obama/Biden 2012
Alan,
I agree that J. Dimon has his own little scandal on his watch. And all he did was apologized.
I am all for regulating these guys big time. Does not matter if it is DEM or GOP supporter. The pool needs to be cleaned up.
Geithner did the right thing as head of the NYFR. He told the Bank of England that they should check on their banksters.
This scandel is only growing with other banks being brought into the spotlight.
p*ssed off
Try something called a NCDSwap and get back to me. I am on vacation in Nova Scotia so you have several days.
The article mentions John Sununu. Is that the same Jonn Sununu who was once Governor of NH? I thought He was dead. I saw Him on some tv show several years ago, and He sure acted and sounded dead then. I think someone's pulling our leg. Republicans digging up, and propping up the dead to use in their favor! That's outrageous! Gwaddamn!, next thing we'll see "Bay' and "Pat" Buchanan's dead asses propped up and speaking for them grave robbing republicans. I didn't like Sununu, or the Buchanans worth a damn, when they were alive, but I would give the dead more respect than that! Tain't Christian!
Well said BW.
"Mrs. Thurston Howell the Third" "Lovey",Mrs. Romney"There are so many things that will be open again for more attack, and you just give more material for more attack, and that's the answer. We've given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how we live our life," Mrs. Romney said on ABC."
Why not make people feel better and release them. His father did. It makes you think that he is hiding something bad.
Obama 12 years
Biden 14 years
Gingrich 1 year
Romney 1 year
Santorum 4 years
McCain 2 years
Palin 2 years
W Bush 8 years
Cheney 8 years
Clinton 8 years
G. Bush 3 years
Nixon 4 years
George Romney 12 years
Another moronic post by job1
Job1
Do you think we are as clueless as you? You left out Reagan because you know that would not support your story. Reagan only released 2 years (or possibly one). Typical liberal picking and choosing what works for them.
Mac..You've lost me bud... Pat Buchanan is not dead(maybe politically he is)
The thing that everyone should know is that the downward manipulation of the LIBOR rates has affected each and every person who pays state, county and municipal taxes. Those local governments utilize investments in bonds to pay for their required funding of their pension obligations.
Unlike Social Security and 401K recipients, public service employees contribute to a pension fund, to be matched by local government. they are not part of the SS pool, don't get SS (unless they also work in the private sector) and are not eligible to be in a 401k. The local government has to have a certain amount set aside NOW for future benefit payouts.
The amount that has to be put aside is based on what the investments earn. Those investments are often based on LIBOR. So.... Long exlanation, Barclays and the 15 other London banks that have been manipulating the LIBOR rates have been taking money out of the hands of each and every tax payer in the entire world.
NinjaCodeMan#3.17: Aye Gwad, I say He's dead. Now, like His sister "Bay" He may have not known He was dead for a year or two after He died, but sooner or later, He had to get suspicious, even if no one actually told Him, the smell would be a "dead" (Pun Intended) giveaway. Mans dead I tell you. Damn republicans probably employed some of them " Georgia Tech institute of undertaking technology" students to prop ole "Pat" "Bay" and "Sununu" up as live people, but if you look close at their eyes and lip movements, you can tell, Them people are DEAD.
John McCain: "I Didn’t Pick Romney Because ‘Sarah Palin Was The Better Candidate"
If that's true--bwhaaaaa! haaaaaa! Who would vote for Romney in November?
EXACTLY! This is the point. Rich jerks with MITT ROMNEY leading the way have RIGGED THE SYSTEM so THEY STAY WEALTHY and WE go from MIDDLE CLASS TO POOR so we will WORK FOR LESS. That is WRONG. That is UN-AMERICAN.
Romney and the wealthy are TRAITORS.
They should all be sent to ARUBA so they can be with their MONEY!
Hah! Hah! Now I get it.
You Cons and Teabaggers had your Panties in a Knot when "houndog" Bill Clinton was President, because he was "getting some" and you Republicans and Teabaggers weren't.
and now you Republicans and Teabaggers are all Wetting your Panties, because now you have a Black Man, Obama the Great and Merciful, now Living in your once sacred White House. Too bad, how sad, I'm glad.
Anyway, what's Mitt Romney hiding in his "Lost Books of the Bible" Tax Returns? Large documented fines, slush funds connected to his Hidden Swiss Bank accounts and his phony Cayman Island tax havens he uses for laundering all his ill-gotten loot, or maybe it's his financial dealings with some Middle-Eastern-Terrorist-Groups. Am I getting close. Betcha I am!
And that's why this once proud Republican is encouraging all my Republican friends, Ron Paul supporters, and of course all you Undecided voters to Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
It will be Fun, and it's the Right thing to do! Let's send the Republican Party and that Mitt Romney back to the "Dung Heap of History" where they rightfully belong!
So, God Bless you President Obama for being my President, and therefore Ruler, Master, and Overlord, of all Republicans and Teabaggers for the next Four (yes! 4) very Long years. Ain't Life grand?
ps, is this a Great post, or what?
Mac Forrester re 3.19... BWAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA now I got ya...
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For those of you screaming about Barclays and LIBOR let us not forget who knew about the fraud as ear as 2007 if not before. Please notice the name and ask youself why is he secretary of the treasury and you just may want to check out the article written by Naomi Wolf while you are at it::
John McCain: I Didn’t Pick Romney Because ‘Sarah Palin Was The Better Candidate
Benjy Sarlin July 17, 2012
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) defended Mitt Romney from Democratic speculation that he passed on him as a 2008 running mate after reviewing his tax returns, saying Sarah Palin was simply the better choice at the time.
McCain called the tax claims “outrageous” and “disgraceful” in an interview with Politico Tuesday. He said he chose Palin “because we thought that Sarah Palin was the better candidate.”
“Why did we not take [Tim] Pawlenty, why did we not take any of the other 10 other people,” McCain said. “Why didn’t I? Because we had a better candidate, the same way with all the others. … Come on, why? That’s a stupid question.”
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/john-mccain-sarah-palin-romney-vp.php
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D@mn Johnny why don’t you tell us what you really think about Ol’ Willard’s governing ability.
I mean what was the “game changer” for you?
Was it Silly Sarah’s 23 years worth of 1040 EZ’s vs. Ol’ Willard’s Boxes full of Tax Forms with codicils and amendments and such like. I Imagine you would of almost went blind reading all them Wherefores and whereforout thou’s. H@ll you probably didn’t have a Senior Staffer that was smart enough to explain them to you. At least that’s what Ol’ Willard says.
Course you might be right. Seems to me that Sister Sarah “retroactively retired” from the Governorship long before Ol’ Willard made it popular. Got to say you got a trendsetter there.
Got to admit that Sarah was a better Speaker, too. I mean who else has had a speaking style named after them ( Palinisms). There is little doubt that after listening to that word for a half an hour folks were sure fired up and ready to go. Didn’t know what they had just heard and where they were going but that didn’t make any difference it’s the messenger not the message right?
I’ve always had a sneakin’ suspicion that it was those tight little leather skirts and that short red leather jacket that that little Home Wrecker wore that sent a tingle up your nether regions myself. Got to admit that it just would’nt have the same effect on Ol’ Willard although I’m sure that he’d try it if it got him some more votes. Now there’s an interesting mental image. EEEEEEEWWWWWW.
Me I’ve only got one question.
If you thought the Disaster from Alaska was better than Ol’ Willard why in the World didn’t you throw your considerable influence and wherewithal behind HER in a run for the Presidency?
I mean don’t the American People deserve the best and not some second or third choice also ran.
Just Sayin’
We do not have the best now so what is our choice. The Obama, Reid, and Boehner are all failed leaders. Replace all three.
Romney has a character dysfunction named after him: Willarditis. It is the inability to say what you truly believe.
That has been a problem for him, but he made a very good speech in PA a couple of days ago. Don't know if he had a teleprompter or not.
@DCIA
My comment on Obama doodling at "important international meetings" was because of inane comments like this
Why is Romney advocating "health exchanges" for Medicare, but is against them for Obamacare?
Romney's medicare plan, close to Ryan's, will cost seniors more and give them less access to health care.
Obama's "Medicare plan" is to STEAL $500 billion from it and then point the finger at Mitt Romney. Obama simply wanted to push more seniors on to Medicaid where the states would be forced to pick up the tab. The Supreme Court stepped in and quashed the federal government's ability to force it on the states.
Hey jim #'s -- Magnificent here. Guess what? Paul Ryan's plan takes money out of Medicare. For an idea of what they would do to Medicare may I direct you to this:
http://www.savingthedream.org/about-the-plan/plan-details/SavAmerDream.pdf
It goes into detail about SS and Medicare. They end both programs as you know it.
Instead, issue vouchers for care and SS will be flatlined, with everyone getting one set amount. Anyone making over 100K in retirement gets nothing.
Alan -- Are you suggesting I made that comment because that was not me.
jim,
The expansion of Medicaid under the ACA is for the NON ELDERLY, uninsured adults. It is not about senior citizens. They have Medicare. The only seniors who qualify for Medicaid are those who need long term care. Medicare does not cover long term care in nursing homes.
Here is a good summary of this part of the law.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8052-02.pdf
Independant, presidential hopefuls pick someone that fills a hole in their resume. i.e. BO had hardly any experience so he picked someone that had been around the block in D.C.
McCain and Romney are both moderates and he had to get somebody to play to the conservative base. Palin fit that bill, Romney did not.
R and D plans both reduce medicare payouts. They have to. Obamacare takes MUCH MUCH more from medicare over 10 years, 500 BILLION, than what Ryans does.
Northstar, You entirely missed the point. Obama thought he could shift aditional Medicaid burdens onto the State. The Supreme Court basically took away that concept. The additional burden of "not being able to force this upon the states" now will go back to Obamacare.
This is just another example of BAD cost projections and how Obamacare losses will add to our national deficit.
jim,
Medicaid expansion for states is funded 100% by Feds. States will pick up 10% of this cost over time.
This is one of the two part solution to provide insurance to the uninsured. The other part is setting up state insurance exchanges.
Did you read the Kaiser article?
What does a state pay now in uncompensated care in their states? What do you pay for the hospital costs to treat the uninsured?Its embedded in your insurance premium.
Here in MN we have expanded Medicaid under this new law. We have started to set up the framework for the exchanges. My state is moving forward in a timely fashion.
What is your state doing?
Jim #'s -- Hope you read the PLAN. The Republicans are trying to bamboozle you and take your money by taxing you more and eliminating SS and Medicare.
What say you?
Dont carry it all - Obama has taken 500 billion out of Medicare to pay for ACA. I was in DC a few years ago for the hearings. His finance person (who abandoned ship shortly after) spoke before the Senate panel and confirmed that. There is no disputing this. Medicare and SS are not sustainable. What part of billions a dollars a day in debt don't you understand. Are those plans perfect? Absolutely not. Far from it. But if you think you are going to get the same benefits as your parents you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Be -- Read the Heritage Foundations Plan that I linked and get back to me.
I'm well aware of our fiscal problems. Kick the obstructionists out of Congress so we can get a plan similar to Simpson Bowles enacted.
Don't - I will read it. There are obstructionists on both sides. They are afraid of losing the only job most of them will probably ever be able to get. But it all flows from the top. Obama did nothing to get Simpson Bowles discussed in Congress, pushed through, etc. so he can not lose his job. I would be voting for the guy if he said to the American people this is going to hurt but it is going to hurt all of us. He kicked the can down the road. Hate that expression but that is what he has done.
The medical part of the expansion is, the administration is not. States have huge deficits, adding another program only adds fuel to deficits.
There is also the other matter of the FED using the money to ENFORCE more power over the states.
The current Paul Ryan budget is the first step in the Republican plan to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and any other social programs from the Federal Budget.
The GOP plan is to shrink the size of the Federal government to the point where it can be drowned in a bathtub. The only thing the GOP wants to see is spending to the defense contractors who donate to the Republican party. Prime examples are Halliburton, Xe, Lockheed, General Dynamics and others.
The GOP plan for the poor, disabled, veterans and women is "LET THEM DIE."
Actually, according to ABC, the cuts come from overpayments. By the way, Romney wants to do away with Medicare, throwing it to the pack of wolves you right-wingers call the "free market." As for Medicaid, Romney would also throw that to the states, forcing them to cut benefits to many Medicaid beneficiaries. And what's worse, Romney is going to take all of the savings he gets from gutting Medicare, Medicaid, and the entire U.S. social safety net and hand it over to the wealthiest Americans, otherwise known as the "job creators." How's that for wealth redistribution???
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Paul Ryan is NUTCASE. I am from Wisconsin and I see him all the time. He wants to END MEDICARE PERIOD.
A "voucher" so we can pay 80% of the cost which will be impossible to afford because the banks take so much of our IRA's. IRA's ended PENSIONS as we knew them and just ended up making US POOR and BANKERS RICH. They couldn't push around retirement fund managers so they got them out of the loop. This is the same thing. Now the INSURANCE COMPANIES get to take a cut so we can't afford health care. Oh yeah - OBAMACARE would LIMIT THOSE VULTURES to "ONLY" taking 20% off the top but the GOP is working to end that.
So, just added to the GOP's health care plan "You Poor Go Die Now" is the GOP's Medicare plan "You Seniors Go Die Now".
How dare ANY Republican say they are CHRISTIAN. I used to be one and I know NEITHER of these policies will get ANY member of the GOP into HEAVEN!
The Republican Party has been,for many years,the party of and for the rich and their aim,which has been shown very clearly ,to be the total advancement of the rich, into the super-rich. There is no way that this can now be hidden from any-one and the only ordinary working persons who disbelieve that are the gullible, stupid, fearful or easily persuaded.They are spending huge amounts of money,which of course they now have, to persuade small,start-up businesses that it will be a disaster to medically insure their employees and the Democratic Party, who are merely attempting to bring us into the late 18th, early 19th. century,socially are having to temporise with their attempts to do so,to try to appease the Rep/T.P. and give the American workers the A.C.A. that we have been denied.
Get a job there backhouse. Get off your lazy butt. And get that first responder underneath you, the Red Communist Slunt from Illinois, to get a job also. You miserable moochers are pathetic.
Wow, Rick, you have such a way with words......
Hey Rick. You just joined and all you can do is spew garbage. You're nothing but a worthless troll. Begone troll!
Now unemployment claims are rising again. And when did Mr. Obama last meet with his jobs counsel, SIX MONTHS AGO???!!! Focused like a laser, indeed, on campaigning.
The economy has stunk for three and a half years now, time to get rid of B.O.
Agree. How can he ignore his failures and try for a 2nd term?
I do believe the same comment was made about Bush/Cheney in 2004.
Unemployment hit 10% during Reagan's first term. The rightwingers have a short memory, eh, Phinephancy?
Amy...you being a liberal and very short on brainpower, let me tell you WHY unemployment hit 10% in two words.....JIMMY CARTER!
In case you were too young to vote back then, Jimmy Carter held the title of being the worst president of the United States for twenty eight years, until the Affirmative Action President Barack Obummer took that away from him after two minutes in office.
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Gosh, Bob, we're not allowed to blame two terms of George Bush for a stagnant economy, federal debts, and high unemployment, but one term of Jimmy Carter and we'll call him the "worst President ever?"
I'm not as young as you think, Bob. I remember when Carter told us we needed to develop alternative energy sources and get off foreign oil. That's why I voted for his re-election. Just think, if we'd followed Carter's advice, there wouldn't have been three wars in the mideast or as severe global warming.
King K,
I have 2 questions for you that require a simple yes or no answer.
1) Have the Republican Senators in the Senate during Obama's time in office, conducted more fillibusters than at any time in the history of our Country?
2) Did Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnel say from day 1 that it would be the Republicans' agenda to do everything in their power to make Obama a 1 term President?
I asked these 2 simple, yes or no questions yesterday, and nobody answered them. I was surprised. LOL!! They're really not that tough.. So, with a simple yes or no, what are your answers?
Brad...answer 1) Yes...but look at the filibusterred Bills...MOST would have worsened the Economy. Now, how about the Bills that the desert shrimp from Nevada SOLELY FILIBUSTERS by refusing to bring them to the floor of the SENATE. Not aware of THOSE BILLS?? Then STFU! Answer 2.) YES....Thank you Senator McConnell. BTW, Bradley boy.....seems that Obozo has a problem with his OWN party, the DimoCraps. Can't get them to agree with his Budgets (0 Votes), and they sure as hell aren't asking him to CAMPAIGN FOR THEM!! Again, STFU.
The Republicans have done everything possible to delay recovery in order to make Obama a one term president. He thought at first that he could work with them and tried to reach "across the aisle". They wouldn't cooperate with anything of importance.
Yes, times are still bad, but what really makes me mad is RWNJs like you people claiming "success". I have a memory and my brainpower says to vote ALL republicans out.
BK,
BK, I'm not your "boy"...
But, but, but.. Your name calling shows your true intellect. I ask simple questions and you have to get all angry and name call.. Infrastructure bills that would put millions to work, and all paid for , adding nothing to our deficit is a bad bill? Giving businesses tax incentives to create jobs in the U.S.A., rather than incentives to outsource is a bad bill?
Thank you Brad--man! I think perhaps BK is so angry because the answers to both your questions are a resounding YES! And BK knows deep down he can't spin that to his advantage. Hence, the personal insults.
Personal insults -- the last refuge of the losing argument.
Ha; so cutting taxes for small businesses and a bill that is estimated to create almost 2 million jobs is BAD for the economy??? I thought you conservatives knew a few things about the economy???
So you defend the gridlock that the Republicans are causing in the Senate, but then you bitch when the Democrats reciprocate??? STFU yourself. Why should the Democrats disarm first??? If it were up to me, your buddies in the Senate would undergo a recall election!!
Hell, at least the Democrats aren't beholden to a sense of party-above-all, like McConnell and his Republican cronies, eh??
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Brad McConnell's statement was made after the 2010 elections not after the Presidential election.
Brad Cantor
#7.6 -
Number 1 is an outright lie. The most filibusters were during Bush's last two years.
Number two is a lie the way you dated it. McConnell did not say that until October 29, 2010, hardly Obama's first day in office.
So the answer to both of those would be no. Typical liberal spin on your part.
It is summer. President Obama should be down in the polls. People who vote for him are always out having fun during the summer and not available for pollsters calls. I've seen this every year since 2008. The fact that he isn't down, either even or a little ahead, is terrible for Romney. Also yesterday "Dogs against Romney" published an article of another instance of animal cruelty by the Romneys. This time against their horse. Please read it. The Romneys aren't normal people. Anyone mean to animals doesn't deserve to own any. I hope the Olympic committe drug tests their horse before the competition. These people are evil.
Well he still has never ate a dog!!!
Do you really want to judge candidates by what their parents fed them when they were 7? Do you really want to go there with terrorizing bully Romney? You're on!
Bwaaaaahaaa Keep telling yourself that!!! You aren't normal people!! You only know how to spew garbage!!
The point is we all do things when we are young and it is far worse to eat a dog than to securely tie a dog to the top of a car in a carrier. And before you go there I am a dog lover, I would never do either. But I don't think that we should judge the president of the United States by those actions. Romney is a skilled business man and can turn this country around while the president is a Failed leader, it is not his fault he did not have enough experience when you people put him into that office.
Well he still has never ate a dog!!!
As a child in another country where it is culturally accepted.
But he never cut another student's hair as Romney, the bully did, to a fellow student who he thought was different.
Makes you proud, doesn't it?
mike, I have to question your statement "Romney is a skilled business man."
First of all, Romney went to work for Bain right out of Harvard Business School, which means he walked into that lucrative position, it's not like he rose up from the mail room.
Second of all, Bill Bain created Bain Capital and provided the money which Romney and others then invested. It's not like Romney saved up his pennies for years in order to start up his own company.
Second of all, how does success investing in mall stores equip one to be President of the United States? Will we use the Sports Authority to protect Israel?
Amy.....about 11 pinocchios for you.....only 7 more and you can tie that lying vomit spewing beatch out of Roselle , Fisty the Dyed Red Queen of MSNBC.
Amy B.- Oh that's right, Romney was CEO at Bain Capital right as soon as he left Harvard..... oh wait, he wasn't. No, he got a job there and applied like everyone else, got hired and surpassed the other 500 employees there to eventually become CEO.
Being successful in business means you know how to delegate, lead, inspire and be successful. Yes Romney took Bain's money and invested it WISELY and made the company a huge success, which earned him the top spot in the company. Have you ever tried to take $100 and turn it into $1,000. It's not easy. Not only did he do that but he became wealthy in his own personal finances on his own. No one gave him a handout. Through wise choices and investments, (yes overseas, 30% of Obama's money is also overseas because it's a wise way to invest) he grew a family fortune without the help from his father's fortune. This skill set is imperative to the success of our country right now and we need someone like this in the White House.
Amy - you are right that Mitt Romney is a skilled businessman. What is Obama skilled at besides getting people to vote for him? No accomplishments to run on in 2008 but no one questioned that. If you tried to question it you were accused of being racist. Not one speech on any bill he sponsored that helped people. NOTHING. In his autobiography admits that his community organizing efforts didn't keep one company from closing or save one job. The man had nothing then and still doesn't but you keep blaming successful people for Obama's failures.
If your final decision to choose who will be the leader of the free world comes down to whether the candidate a) abused his dog as an adult or b) might have been fed dog meat as a child then I suggest you not bother voting at all.
Amy - an utterly ridiculous argument. Obama's only experience was as a professor and a community organizer. Exactly how did that prepare him as you ask, to be President? The man has never made a payroll, never created a job, never worked as an executive, and all of that is showing.
Obama has spent 4 working months golfing. 100 rounds at 6 hours each round by his own admission. He has spent less time on the jobs project than the average pet owner spends walking their dog.
Romney's first day as governor made him more qualified than Obama. All Obama has proven is how uniquely unqualified he truly is.
Unemployment in Georgia spikes to 9%. Change we can believe in.
Don't you have a Republican Governor down there in Georgia. What wrong with his job plan. he he. In this political atmosphere any one would be lucky to create any jobs at all. It's just a big fight about who's going to control all the money.
Georgia. Another red state that needs the government teat to survive like almost all red states with the exception of Texas and Florida. You won't pay living wages and therefore never collect enough taxes and keep lying about balancing your budget all the while other states contributions to the feds keep you afloat. Nothing to be proud of Georgia. Relying on the government teat should be an embarrassment to you.
Without researching it Lloyd, my guess is, it reflects public sector workers no longer being employed.
That's what you get when you're a Right to Work State. If I were president Obama, I would have tried to repeal Taft-Hartley. That anti-union law has done a hell of a lot to hurt the middle class.
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Are you liberals that stupid or are you committed to lying to get your master in office? Do you actually know what a living wage is in Georgi?. Do you ever ask why there is only one red state (Tennessee, the home of Al Gore) listed in the top 15 states doling out welfare checks?
Day after day I sit in a cancer center where quite a few of the patients depend on medicare for apying for the treatments. How do you, who hate medicare look these folks in the face and tell them to literally 'drop dead' by taking that needed insurance from them?
You know, both parties have sickened quite a few of the people in the middle - the GOP calling the president "unAmerican" and anyone who disagrees with them "anti-American. The dems aren't innocent in the name calling either. Quite a few of the folks in my chemo group have no desire to vote this year (except for local issuses). And I am talking about folks who have always voted (quite a few conservatives in my group)
Who hates Medicare? People are trying to salvage it. It is going bankrupt. The reason is the eroding tax base because only 50% of Americans pay taxes. Also, there is so much waste and mismanagement (as expected..it is the government) that the program is totally broken.
Phine I don't believe most people hate medicare or want to deny people help. I think most just realize there is abuse of the system like most government programs be they federal or state. I have a relative who works auditing claims for medicare fraud and it is astounding the amount of fraud that goes on.
Glad to see you here and sending good thoughts your way.
Lloyd -
You are misinformed, everyone who is working pays Medicare tax.
Medicare is one of the most efficiently ran healthcare programs in existence. Medicare's administrative costs are around 3% while private insurance companies are around 10%.
The "only 50% pay taxes" is another Republican talking point that does not hold water.
You are correct, though, the tax base has been severly impacted by the massive cuts in publc sector jobs.
Phinephancy - good morning, great to see you on here!
Watching my iv drip is boring. I stole the hubbyy's laptop for something to do. They also upped my steroid dosage. So I am a little %itchy today. Nothing like a little 'roid rage to get the blood stirring. Soon they will come with the "happy" pills to counteract the 'roids.
TNSEVOL- Actually I think YOU are misinformed. Medicare only has 3% admin. costs because if they tried to raise it to 10% they would go broke even faster. Medicare is very poorly run and is working way harder than it was designed to. Medicare runs out of money around Sept.- Oct. every year. The Ryan plan is not trying to take these benefits away, he is trying to reform it and mold it to fit our ever-changing elderly needs. Yes Medicare does A job, but it is not working as it should. The left like to say, "Watch out the Republicans are trying to remove Medicare and take all of it away and kill old people." Really?? If people actually believed people could be that cruel, you are all more gullible than I thought.
TNSEVOL - the 50% tax argument relates to federal income taxes. I recently read the number is around 47-49%. We know that people pay other taxes on gas, electricity, purchases, etc. That helps local gov't and very little the federal gov't. You can not sustain a society indefinitely when almost 50% are paying for the other 50% without cutting some benefits. What is that expression - socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money to spend (or something to that effect).
Capuraforal: "The left like to say, "Watch out the Republicans are trying to remove Medicare and take all of it away and kill old people." Really?? If people actually believed people could be that cruel, you are all more gullible than I thought"
I don't have to "believe" anything--I heard and saw for myself. Don't you remember when the Republican potential candidates were asked whether someone without medical insurance should be left to die--the conservative audience shouted "YEA!"
Yea, let the uninsured die. Nothing gullible. Just a fact!
Actually, the Ryan budget will force seniors to pay over half of all medical costs, as the vouchers that the budget would give them would only be indexed to inflation, not to rising healthcare costs. Instead of working to fix the healthcare crisis in this country, Ryan's budget just throws the financial burden from the government to the elderly. Is that fair??? I'm all for fixing Medicare, but why should we privatize it???
Actually, Medicare is going bankrupt because of rising medical costs. The vast majority of Americans, around 81.7% of Americans pay federal taxes, including the payroll tax that Medicare is dependent on. Much of the fraud in Medicare comes from over-payments and fraud coming from the inefficient fee-for-service system, which Obamacare seeks to replace. If we simply eliminated fee-for-service and raised the Medicare payroll tax rate, we could eliminate most, if not all of the future healthcare shortfall.
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#10.7
Fact my ass. First of all it was not the conservative "audience" It was one person. Secondly that person took offence to that question even being asked by a liberal commentator. He thought it was obviously baiting the candidates into making a mistake.
But what can I expect from liberals who have no morals and are more than willing to lie to advance their cause.
And Mr. Obama has a budget plan to go along with his big government agenda.
Straight from Mr. Obama's fourth proposed budget. Here is the debt he is proposing to foist on US, our kids and grandchildren:
Table S–15. Federal Government Financing and Debt—Continued(Dollars amounts in billions)Actual2011 Estimate2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022
Debt Outstanding, End of Year: Gross Federal debt:Debt issued by Treasury .................................................... 14,737 16,323 17,520 18,471 19,398 20,363 21,298 22,218 23,125 24,051 24,984 25,918
Debt issued by other agencies ........................................... 27 28 28 29 29 28 28 27 27 26 24 22 Total,
gross Federal debt .............................................. 14,764 16,351 17,548 18,500 19,427 20,392 21,326 22,245 23,152 24,077 25,008 25,940
Almost $26 Trillion in debt proposed /projected by Mr. Obama. And we all know that in actual practice it will turn out to be a lot higher if Obama is returned to office. And on July 16, on Morning Joe, Mr. Obama's spokesperson, Rep. Jim Clyburn(D), admitted that the Obama plan necessarily will require middle class tax hikes in the years going forward after the election, in order to pay for the deficit spending and debt laden Obama plan. Too bad Mr. Obama can't discuss his budget plan with the American people because he is too busy playing with smoke and mirrors.
Oh grow up! All politicians play the "smoke and mirrors" game. Jeez, people. Use your gray matter for something else than calling each other names. And seeing how snarky you can be!
Maybe you should remind your democrat-communist friends that constantly spew their vomit on this also.
People like phinney don't like it when you show them the facts, it spoils their fantasy world. But a least he admits Obama is all about the smoke and mirrors. I guess that is just fine with phinney. After all, if others did it why shouldn't Mr. Change do it too, right phinney?
Notice how phinney and feisty, etc.. don't want to talk about Mr. Obama's budget or the taxes he will have to raise on the middle class in 2014 if he is reelected. Apparently they think talking about Romney's tax returns will somehow get the economy back on track
KingK -
We will all gladly compare President Obama's economic plan that calls for a return to the Clinton tax rates on incomes over $250,000 (reducing the deficit) to Romney's plan to eliminate Capital Gains and Estate taxes (increasing the deficit).
President Obama's plan is not only more fiscally prudent but also a fairer approach.
Talk about living in a fantasy world! Romney thinks a return to the failed "tax-cut and spend, deregulate everything" policies of the Bush administration is the way to fix our current economic problems....that were caused by the failed policies of the Bush administration!
Obviously you can't read. I said BOTH sides use smoke and mirrors so their side looks good. Not much grey matter usage, eh? Don't play with me. I am busy watching my IV drip and taking my steroids. 'roids make me grouchy and mean. Don't make me grouchy and mean over stupidity
The point is, phinney, that Mr. Obama told US he would change all that and not engage in such tactics. But I guess you simply accept the Obama lies and don't really want change because you keep backing him. Those roids must be scrambling your brain. I hope you get off them before Nov
TNS
You fail to understand that Mr. Romney is proposing to CUT SPENDING. Mr. Obama is proposing to CONTINUE DEFICIT SPENDING AND DEBT BUILDING. Please read Mr Obama's proposed budget. And Romney's tax plan will increase revenues to the federal government. Whereas Obama's plan will stagnate revenues and cause businesses to flee the US. Which is why Mr. Obama is only calling for a one year extension of the middle class tax rates. He will need to raise our taxes in 2014 just to keep up with the current level of his deficit spending and debt building.
King K,
How would you feel if while you were sincerely trying to help this Country get out of an economic melt down, not caused by any of your actions, and at the same time the opposing political party called you a marxist, socialist, foreigner, questioned your birth certificate, and a series of other racist tinged comments? He tried to work with the Republicans, but they have tried to undermine him from day 1. A perfect case in point was when Obama and Boehner had made the grand bargain, to cut spending and increase revenue to the tune of a $4 trillion budget deficit reduction plan, and House Rep Cantor, behind their backs sabotaged everything. Would that make you feel warm and fuzzy?
KingK
Since I may not even be alive by the election, I don't side with either side (too worried about my own survival - selfish I know). But, I will never side with stupidity. You, KingK, are not too bright. I wish I could say what I think of you. But, mama taught me not to argue with DA's which you are!
Brad...If you had your FACTS straight you would know that it was the DIMOCRAPS who sabotaged the agreement between Boehner and the Obutthead... NAMELY HARRY REID AND THE SCREECHING SF BEATCH NANCY PELOSI who would not give up the SPENDING. Check your facts at the door, Brad.
BK,
It is you who does not know truth from fiction..
phinney
First, I pray that you overcome your illness and live a long and happy life. Our political views do not cause me to wish you anything less. Second, you continually resort to emotional arguments and name calling, a typical liberal tactic, but refuse to address facts with facts. Which is precisely why Mr. Obama is not going to win this election, because he does the same. When you can start talking facts perhaps we can have a rational discussion, but until then the drivel you are posting does nothing to advance your/ MR Obama's agenda.
Here is another fact based question for you phinney. Mr Obama is proposing to raise taxes on those making over $200,000 per year ($250,000 for couples, which is estimated to raise, approximately, an additional 60 or 70 billion per year. But the deficit spending he proposes is in excess of $1.2 Trillion per year. So where are the additional revenues going to come from to make up the substantial yearly short fall? And why is Mr. Obama only calling for a one year extension of the middle class tax rates? And why does Mr. Obama's proposed budget call for a $26 Trillion debt by the year 2022? I look forward to your fact based insightful answers, if you have any, because Mr. Obama hasn't offered any.
King K,
I'm not so sure of your figures, but for argument sake, I'll concede them. The "deficit spending" you refer to is to put people to work, teachers, fireman, construction workers, and to invest in education. By putting people to work, it will increase our tax base and more people will be paying taxes. Will it by itself balance our budget, no. But, it is a start. If our politicians would just work together, rather than tr to make the opposing party fail, we would be a lot further down the road to recovery.
And when the taxes are spent on those government sector jobs, just like the last stimulus spending, where does that leave US? Another round of layoffs and more debt to pay. Try to think of the long term implications of The Obama plan, instead of the 6 month bits he wants US all to think in, so we don't see the long term implications of continuing his policies/practices. It's UNSUSTAINABLE. Just ask the Greeks.
Spend tax dollars to create gov sector jobs so you can recollect some of the tax dollars(the majority of which will go to paying the massive entitlement programs we are running) for a short period of time before running out of tax dollars to keep doing the same, Brilliant!
BK "Check your facts at the door, Brad."
BK, how about YOU checking your emotional personal insults at the door?
You accuse the "dimocraps" of resorting to "emotional arguments" and "name calling" and then spew THIS venomous b.s. garbage out of your keyboard:
"DIMOCRAPS who sabotaged the agreement between Boehner and the Obutthead... NAMELY HARRY REID AND THE SCREECHING SF BEATCH NANCY PELOSI"
Hypocrite!
Actually, Romney is planning to cut spending AND taxes. Obama is planning to cut spending AND raise taxes. Romney's tax plan, according to CNN, would add $3.4 trillion to the deficit, partly due to the elimination of the estate tax and the AMT, partly due to the ambiguity about which tax expenditures will be reduced. If you want to reduce the deficit, you have to raise taxes and cut spending, unless you want to do away with every non-security program besides the Big Three (SS, Medicare, Medicaid). At least Obama is compromising. I say repeal all of the Bush tax cuts, gradually raise rates, reform entitlements, and cut defense spending while investing some of the savings in infrastructure repair, education, and research and development.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Show US the spending cuts Mr. Obama is proposing. Or do you mean cuts in the rate of increase in deficit spending, which is not spending cuts?
This is all this president knows how to do is spend money if he concentrated half of this energy on creating jobs instead of spending it we would have the tax revenues to afford him.
Cancel Medicare and Medicaid!!
Mitt Romney 2012
Typical liberal scare tactics. No one is advocating the canceling of Medicare. Personally I wouldn't lose sleep if Medicaid was slashed. I'm tired of supporting the lifestyles of poor, irresponsible people.
I am neither poor or irreponsible. I have good insurance. What about the retired school teacher in my group. Lloyd, do you even have a heart? Or gives a darn about your fellow human beings?
LLOYD: Make up your mind. First you accuse POTABLE of "scare tactics" and in the next breath you say you wouldn't lose sleep if Medicaid was slashed. Which is is? And nice to know that it would not bother you one wit if those "irresponsible" people go without health care. Evidently you think anyone who is poor is "irresponsble". Clearly you know NOTHING about the poor. Most poor peopele ARE THE WORKING POOR.
Do yourself a favor and get an education.
Or, at least some medication...
Ozzie Get a job communist. And tell that red headed communist first resonder to get a job also. Both of you miserable slugs are on here begging for more government freebies.
Lloyd,
Medicaid currently funds care for the poor, diabled, the elderly in care centers with dementia in states acorss the country.
Under the ACA states cane expand Medicaid for those who are uninusred making 133%of poverty level. That is $15,000. for a single person and $30,000. for a family of four.
I am sure there are many citizens who need cancer treatment, like Phine , who will see Medicare and Medicaid as a lifeline.
LLoyd ..I think Fisty is offering to share her meds with you. Don't take them!!! You will develop the same issues she suffers from......the meds she uses fuses your optic Nerve to your lower intestinal tract and you have a very Schiitty outlook on EVERYTHING and spend HOURS staring at your own colon.
The Republican cure for the poor who are ill: a bullet.
Potable: "Cancel Medicare and Medicaid!!"
Mitt Romney 2012
O WHATAGIVEAWAY!!! See?
I get dizzy looking at the Debt Clock. Thanks HUSSEIN.
You can thank George W and his Republican cronies for that one, Rick. Who slashes taxes while waging two wars? Republicans, that's who.
STFU commie girl
Once again we all know that the Cheney/Rove administration caused most of the debt, running up the deficit to intentionally cripple the economy so they could all cry that we can't afford social services. You can kowtow to your corporate masters and spew your nincompoopery until you're blue in the face, but some of us aren't as gullible as you think.
"...like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders..."
You know what Rick, you are an uneducated cretin whose sole purpose is to spew your racist, bigoted drivel here in response to people trying to have a civil discourse. Using the word "communist" in almost every response, discloses that you are either an old, southern hater or a young ignorant Fox believer who regurgitates their lies.
Grandpamike,
Rick3.... is new around here.
He has only been on NV since yesterday and has already posted 28 times.
Rick, If you are going for a troll record, you better pick up the pace.
too bad all your other posts under your deleted account don't count.....
Again you liberals lie about the debt clock. Personal responsibility is foreign to you.
Your man failed miserably and you did not even have a Dem with enough guts to run against the worst in history.
How truly pathetic your party has become. Hijacked by left wing racists and fanatics.
The posters on this site act like they don't know that the Republican heirarchy had a top level meeting in early 2009 and agreed that they would not support any initiatives proposed by President Obama.
There main objectives based on marching orders from Rush Limbaugh was to ensure Obama had a failed presidency and one term.
How do you not see the hypocrisy of them now asking why he did not heal Washington!!!
Piss on them and MSM that kiss their collective behinds!
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200
Please read this........especially the reference to pages 58 & 59
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
**
Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to
all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
**
Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
**
Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations
**
Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section
will not be treated as a tax.
**
Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same
regardless of specialty, and the government will set all
doctors' fees.
**
Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care
according to the patient's age.
**
Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a
prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities
may petition for an exception.
**
Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years.
**
Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify
which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:
"Finally,it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas
All of the above should give you the ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare.
Please share this information with all of your email contacts.
YEP
You fell for an Internet hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp
Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200
Please read this........especially the reference to pages 58 & 59
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
**
Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to
all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
**
Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
**
Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations
**
Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section
will not be treated as a tax.
**
Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same
regardless of specialty, and the government will set all
doctors' fees.
**
Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care
according to the patient's age.
**
Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a
prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities
may petition for an exception.
**
Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years.
**
Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify
which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:
"Finally,it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas
All of the above should give you the ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare.
Please share this information with all of your email contacts.
YEP
I don't know where this judge got his info, but it isn't form the law passed by congress. Try This is a searchable PDF document. The only use of the word ration occurs in this sentence.
The proposal shall not include any recommendation
to ration health care, raise revenues or
Medicare beneficiary premiums under section 1818,
1818A, or 1839, increase Medicare beneficiary costsharing
(including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments),
or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility
criteria.
There is no statement pertaining to non-US residents.
You fell for an Internet hoax.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp
"If you are successful, you did not do it. The government did it for you." HUSSEIN OBAMA
rick -
If you are going to try and quote our President, please also try and be intelligent enough to get it right.
It doesn't matter, TNSEVOL... we saw the entire film clip and his meaning was clear. It simply shows that Obama has "brain cramps" and accidentally reveals his true dislike of business success.
The financial disaster-in-chief has NO BUSINESS SENSE ! All Obama knows is growing government which feeds, like an ever-growing cancer, off the tax dollars of the private sector.Obama wants to feed that cancer by raising taxes.
Obama's threshhold for "rich"will continue to get lower and lower. He has raised the national debt higher in 3.5 years than his predecessor did in 8. At no time during his "reign" has the Obama administration passed a budget
Apparently, if you are a conservative/Republican/GOPTP your attention span is not as long as a complete sentence. Certainly not as long as a whole paragraph.
You continue to quote out of context and even revise the actual spoken words to suit your narrative.
Sad.
It has been confirmed that David Axelrod is using the screen name Feisty Redhead on NBCNEWS.COM
That would be no surprise. The only thing is,if that is actually true, he should immediately resign. Go back and read the vitriolic and defamatory statements in the Feisty posts. Not to mention the race baiting , the childish name calling and sophomoric lack of the grasp of any factual arguments.
So Romney is now spending 2 to 1 against our President and still his lies and deceit have not convinced people to vote for him,,,,,hmmmmm,,,,,,,,Maybe we're not as stupid as he hopes we are!!!!!
This is our last chance America,,,,we NEED to stand up and be counted,,,,We are at a point in history where your vote counts more then it ever has before!!!!!!
Our president is a brilliant man, and he knows if he is re-elected, that he will be beholding to no-one for his second term,,,,if he is lucky enough to hold the senate and pick up some of the seats he lost in the house in the 2010 elections, and if the democrats finally grow a set and stand up to the dreaded philisbuster, that's right, let the pubs take the floor and see how long they last, then we will finally be able to move forward in this country!
VOTE VOTE VOTE
OBABA/BIDEN 2012
The only time you stand up is to apply for govt entitlements....
omega1
everytime I read a post like yours, I know at least somepeople (liberals) are as stupid and we all fear.
Next time you visit your psychiatrist, ask him the definition of "insanity". You know doing the same thing(re-electing an incompetent moron) and expecting different results.
Lord.... why did you make life so hard.....buy making liberals so friggen dumb???
omega1-3015173
I agree with you. The contrast between President Obama and Romney, when you see them interviewed one on one, is vast. President Obama comes across as thoughtful, insightful, empathetic, and experienced on the world stage. Romney strikes one as prone to demagoguery, insincere and untrustworthy. I don't find Romney's arguments persuasive. He just seems to be reciting boilerplate Republican talking points.
Omega1, if what you are hoping for comes to pass, we will be on the fast track to ending up just like Greece. The path that President Obama and his liberal supporters are trying to steer the country down is simply not sustainable. We are just at the tipping point where about half of the country does not even pay federal income taxes, so what do they care if income taxes are increased on the other half. When the majority of the population simply sponges off of the minority who pay essentially all of the federal income taxes, and vote in more liberals to promote further this arrangement, America's days are numbered.
Is this really what you want?
Maybe you should look in the mirror once in awhile to make sure your not talking about yourself., so before you condemn someone who you don't even know except on this non-problem solving web site. I'm not Democrat or Republican, if I was I would be ashamed to say so. If people worked as hard as all the bullsh t they talk about on this site, a million jobs would be crated in a few days. It's just like little kids fighting over who's right and who's wrong. Same problem we have in Washington. With people like this, our economy will never be good no matter who is in office. I just think people should grow up, including our politicians. The main malfunction is people don't know how to work together for a comon goal. So I'm afriad our country is headed for the rat hole with no return in site. Just a bunch of greedy people, what a shame.
rightwingconspiracy -
The facts do not support your statement. The wealthy are paying historically low tax rates - in fact the top marginal tax rate is about half what it was during the years between World War II and Reagan.
The wealthy's share of the tax burden has not increased as quickly as their share of both total US Income and total wealth.
Almost 50% of the people in the US do not pay taxes because the median wage has decreased as CEO salaries have escalated. It has become increasingly difficult to find jobs that will pay enough to reach the Federal Income Tax threshold.
You are correct in that we are at a tipping point - the growing wealth inequality and destruction of the middle-class could capsize our entire economy.
"We may have democracy or we may have great weath concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both" - Louis Brandeis, former Supreme Court justice
The escalation of CEO salaries has nothing to do with anything. Another "shiny object" to distract the 99%. Quick everyone, look at the bad CEOs and vulture capitalists! Never mind what we are doing in Washington (spending a trillion dollars more than we take in every year), just keep thinking about that health care we "gave" you and how those nasty Republicans will take it away from you if they are elected.
The answer to our problems in this country is never going to be for the government to take more money from the people who are working hard to make it and giving it to the people who are not. Unfortunately, the democrats have decided that the way to expand their constituency is to make more and more people dependent on the government for support. Take a look at food stamps as an example. I don't care if you raise the top marginal tax rate to 90%, it would not pay for all of the entitlement programs for very long.
We are going to have to grow our way out of this, and I am not talking about artificial growth via government stimulus plans. However, if the government will not get out of the way of the private sector, we will not see the kind of growth we need. If Romney is elected and the "Open for Business" sign goes up in America again, our economy will boom. Tax revenues will also boom without raising rates on anyone. The issue then will be making sure that spending does not also increase so that we can begin reducing the debt. None of that will happen with our current President in office...
Now this is perfect hypocrisy... Obozocare steals $500 Billion from Medicare, and and the Looter-in-Chief is pointing the finger at Mitt??? Unlike today's generation of Liberal brain-washed entitlement wogs, seniors know when they're being conned. If I'd gotten to keep the 6.5% I paid into SS, and also get the matching amount that my employer paid, and invested it, I'd have a million dollars by now... instead, I've got a big fat IOU and a lame Liberal promise that something will be there when I retire... Liberals are scammers and thieves....
FED UP Who the hell do you think CREATED Medicair in the first place???
HINT: It was not Republicans. I find it more than a little bit amusing that the very people who opposed Medicare from day one is not accusing Democrats of pilfering money from the system.
check your facts ozzie, under obamacare he is stripping out 500 billion from medicare, and we all know who creates the nanny state Hint: libs like you
Speaking of FedUp - no matter how many times you post this bullcrap and it is debunked, it still doesn't end up as a valid statement.
So Bozobrain - back up your statement with valid research proving he stole $500b from Medicare or STFU.
Hussein is not getting it done which mean he needs to go and romney aint the solution and should not be voted for.
Only two viable parties and two no solution parties!
Who do you vote for?
Romney may be this, he may have been that...He may do this, his religious beliefs are that....who the f cares? We all have seen what this current empty suit failure has been doing for the last 3 plus years and how he's f...ed up the Country! Why give this big eared empty suit incompetent moron another four years to screw up the rest of it???
I guess you were really broken up about the death of Osama bin Laden, eh bob? Yeah, that disappointed me too, seeing the number 1 enemy of the U.S. executed in Pakistan via Obama's command.
bob,
Hussein can't fix this mess and needs to go and romney aint the solution and needs not to be voted for!
Broken up by the death of Barack's close friend? Nah... I'm just glad the community organizer didn't organize a rescue mission for him to thwart the efforts of Seal Team 6 and the Bush Administration's intelligence effort over the prior eight years! Guess his mind was distracted running illegal assult weapons to mexican drug lords.
P.S. Ever look closely at the picture of President HOPE DOPE in the "situation room" when they got his buddy?? He looks like the delivery kid from the local deli who delivered sandwiches to the grownups in the room and was allowed to stay and watch...if he didn't say or touch anything! LOFLMAO!!!!
bob-2579213
Yeah, President Obama doesn't look like the commander-in-chief in that picture, unlike Romney, who would be more Hollywood's idea of the square jawed, alpha male, but you know what? President Obama was presented with several options for getting Osama and the one he choose succeeded. You could call it a fluke, except the option he choose for getting rid of Qaddafy also succeeded (remember when Republicans accused him of 'dithering'?) And, the option he choose for dealing with the Eyqpt uprising also worked to our advantage. Then there was the choice to bailout the American Auto Industry - success. The decision to send stimulus to the states, economists agreed, kept us out of a Depression. I think President Obama has changed the face of who constitutes the true "commander-in-chief."
You are completely misguided, Libya is in shambles and egypt is now controlled by a terrorist org. that is extorting the u.s. for 2 billion dollars a year telling us that if we cut them off the truce with Isreal is done. That doesnt sound like a winning decisions to me. Yeah he got OBL, due to the intelligence gathered by Bush, but credit has to go to him for making the call, its the only reason he wont be considered worse than Carter
OilShark1
Yippee - another rereg troll!! Hunt this one down and quash him just like gnat he/she truly is.
Amy what really concerns me is that Obama has not stoped aid to Pakistan.
Attacking the other guy only highlights your own character. ALL politicians need to learn this simple lesson.
America is in the toilet. It doesn't matter who you blame. At the end of the finger-pointing and name-calling (on all sides), Americans are still facing a dire time.
Tell me about your plan for the next four years, not why the other guy is a schmuck.
Politicians get dumber every minute, I swear.
Hey Troy, your right and I hope the American people can pull there head out of their a-----s about this Republican, Democrat thing. It's really don't mater they all blowing smoke up our a------s
Weren't the Fisker funds withdrawn when the Wilmington factory deal fell through? IIRC it was some $193Mil.
Inital funds wer near $600 million. Fisker spent $193 million and wanted it's next check.
The DOE, now being watched by the Media, said no because Fisker failed to meet several milestones.
Of the money Fisker got, the majority was spent on gutting the Wilmington Plant. That now proved to be a useless expenditure since, as you note, the Wilmington Plant Fell through.
Fisker is trying to get going again with Private Investment. It seems they have found someone to Invest several hundred million dollars.
Henrik Fisker may not know much about running a car company, but he sure is good at salesmanship.
Want a better economy? Take the Fed out of the money making business..
H.R. 459, "Audit the Fed" bill will be voted on next Tuesday, July 24 in the US House of Representatives.
Unlike previous bills, it gives Congress the ability for full audit and total transparency to the inner workings of the Federal Reserve.
Audit the Fed will be brought up under a “suspension of the rules.”
So the Fed’s allies won’t be able to offer ANY amendments to try to water down this historic bill!
Almost 2/3rd of the House are cosponsors of this bill. So please contact your local Representative and urge them to support the passage of this bill. w w w .house . gov /
rick larson,alias troll,,,please take your hate and lies and stick it where the sun ,,,,,,never mind,,,,you are not worth it,,,have a great day son,,,,,
Ooooooooooooooooo. Are you one of Husseins Internet Soljas? Pathetic