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COLUMBUS, OH -- Stumping for Mitt Romney in a key battleground state Wednesday, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal hammered President Obama over remarks he made last week about the government’s role in the private sector.
“You know, his aides will try to say he just misspoke – it's not what he meant. I think these comments reveal something about this President,” Jindal said, adding later that Obama “truly thinks wealth is created through government spending.”
Nati Harnik / AP
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal addresses the Nebraska Republican Convention in Grand Island, Neb., Saturday, July 14, 2012.
Jindal made the remarks during a brief speech to about 150 Romney campaign supporters, volunteers, and staff at a headquarters office here in Columbus.
It was just the latest in a series of Republican attacks this week on Obama’s Friday remarks in Roanoke, Va., where the president said private enterprise is reliant on public support.
“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive,” Obama said.
“Somebody invested in roads and bridges,” Obama continued. “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
The remarks gave an opening to Republicans, who have argued throughout the election cycle that President Obama has over-emphasized a public finance approach to fixing the economy and lacks faith in small business.
Speaking at an energy services company Tuesday in Irwin, Penn., Romney told supporters that while the American people “appreciate” the sacrifices of government workers, “taxpayers pay for government.”
“The president’s logic doesn’t just extend to the entrepreneurs that started a barber shop, or a taxi operation, or an oil field service business like this,” Romney said.
Wednesday, Romney’s surrogates who advanced the attack ratcheted up the tone.
“Under President Obama, you’ve got what I label basically the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ perspective,” Jindal said, before adding that Obama is “trying to manage the slow decline of this great country.”
Speaking earlier, State Rep. Cheryl Grossman cited her worry about how the President’s economic policy will affect her children.
“I cannot recall any time in my memory when I have feared a president as much as I do our current president,” Grossman said.
Jindal, who supported Texas Gov. Rick Perry during the Republican primary, has become an increasingly visible and sharp-tongued surrogate for Romney – and a speculated-about choice for the vice presidential slot.
Later Wednesday, Jindal visited a private fundraiser for Ohio Treasurer Josh Mandel, a Republican running for U.S. Senate. Guests leaving the event said Jindal spoke knowledgably about Ohio politics and urged restraint when it comes to the state budget.
But few guests listed Jindal at the top of their own wish list.
Edd Dunlap, who works for a local homebuilding company, said he was impressed by Jindal’s management of the 2010 BP oil spill crisis, though he hopes Romney selects Ohio Sen. Rob Portman.
“He’s local,” Dunlap said of Portman. “So of course I’ve got to support him.”
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Have the birthers and douche, er, tea baggers demanded to see Jindal's birth certificate yet?
What is it about these GOP-Kochers.
Jindal told a flatout lie when he said the President “truly thinks wealth is created through government spending.”
Our President said that government can help us do what we cannot do alone, eg. keep our roads, railways, ports, schools, and runways in good repair. He always says the private sector creates jobs, but that Government can help create the conditions. Under President Obama, small business taxes have been cut 18 times.
Government has helped invest in research to create new technologies like the internet, and remember how we went to the Moon - way back when?
If he is talking about public sector workers - and how GOP denigrates the teachers that take care of our children - we got the message that GOP governors fired 300,000 flesh and blood teachers with families during a great recession brought on by his party.
well actually, Jindal made his papers public years ago... has obama?
Well yes Ed, he has. Now if Romney would release his tax records, something every candidate has done since Romney's father started the precedence.
That's actually a bit of a misrepresentation. Under the President, taxes have been cut for small businesses. However, most of the cuts, while set with good intentions, were mostly meaningless, and all but four, I believe, have already expired.
Well no, Scott. Perhaps if Obama would unseal his academic records, Romney may be more open to releasing more tax returns. Obama is the secretive one, not Romney.
Has Romney released his academic records? How many candidates have? And yes, Obama has released his tax rexords.
Paul,
What do you hope to learn from going through President Obama's academic records?
Please explain.
@J chump.... but we still want to see obamas information... got some real info for us?... doubt it
@scott....no, no, no..... maybe I am wrong... what do you know about obama? his school records..... no, well scott.... do you have any knowledge of obamas background other than what he has told you????? I, no, the posters here would like it if you would share your knowledge with us.... dare you?
@butterflywings.... maybe, because he has chosen to hide them, I would like to know what is in them.... now, why do you really want to see Romneys past tax returns? would you be willing to share yours with me?
dealing with liberals is futile.... you only want to see and hear yourselves,,, back to basics... obama is a failure. you know it..... I know it....
He hasn't chosen to hide them, it's not standard for candidates to release academic transcripts. It is however standard to release tax records, a precedence George Romney set in 1968 by releasing 40 years worth of tax records.
I do know Obama got Bin Ladin and all Al Qaeda's top guys. I know he was head of Harvard Law Review, something they don't give to flunkies. I know he's a smart dude, I don't need to see his transcripts to know that.
Ed,
As to Romney's tax returns:
Where did his money come from?
What taxes, if any did he pay?
What countries does he prefer to invest in, rather than our country?
Why is he so desperate to keep them hidden? If he is proud of his business prowess, why does he refuse to discuss what that business actually did?
As for my tax returns: If I decide to run for office, I would expect to make all of my tax records public. Sadly, it would bore people to tears.
Is it just me or...
How can the President be responsible for Job creation and at the same time lessen government intervention in job creation? If the Government truly stayed out of job creation, then "Logic" would dictate that it couldn't be his responsibility, since he is part of the Government.
They're response? "Businesses don't hire because of uncertainty". There has NEVER been certainty in business. If the success of a business was certain, we would all be millionaires.
I realize the Tea Party and a whole swath of the Red states' constituents may be somewhat "education-challenged" and have some need to vote against their own self-interest, but when will they realize that they are being played?
At what point will they realize that government can't affect and stay out of the creation of private businesses at the same time?
If ya wanna good laugh, imagine Romney and Jindal walking side-by-side. Romney scurrying and Jindal flouncing along beside him.
Jindal, you keep paying your dues, and if the Republican rules are still in place in the far off future, maybe one day you will get to be... VP.
So uh, where are the tax returns? Even for 2010, where is ALL of it? Team Romney thinks releasing a lot of pages means something. It only means Romney's taxes are very complicated, so what? They can't even release one complete year!
Scott and Butterfly,
Romney will release what is required. He is rich. He takes advantage of every possible legal tax loophole. This makes him smart. Get over it.
The POTUS has no clue how to fix the economy. Time for a change.
Where are all the people claiming credit for creation of the internet? The development of the computer? The development of the automobile? The development of the airplane? I'm sure Orville and Wilbur, in the lost parts of their speeches, thanked the government for their first flight. Good grief, Obama is totally loony. He really thinks that roads were built by government and then Ford came along and invented the automobile. He should be locked up and the keys thrown away. He hasn't an ounce of common sense and is totally delusional.
"He is rich. He takes advantage of every possible legal tax loophole."
Romney will also stretch the definition of legal and he doesn't have the integrity to make ethical decisions regarding the tax breaks he takes advantage of.
Being rich doesn't necessarily mean Mitt had to ignore his duty to contribute his fair share to the country.
Fail.
hey people come on......does anyone really think obama is a good president???....seriously?
Yes. President Obama has done a much better job under difficult circumstances than the previous administration and will continue to do so after he is reelected.
US News & World Report survey of historians and scholars that ranks US presidents. Pay special attention to President Obama's ranking and that of his blighted predecessor.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/07/02/survey-ranks-obama-15th-best-president-bush-among-worst
When the history books are written and re-written and then re-written again the Republicans will still believe Obama caused this recession. They still try to pull that gasoline lie. They forget in July 2008 under Bush gas was over $4 dollars. Remember it was what caused the recession? It's a good thing history books will never be written by some southern racist.
Misquote, then stretch it, then make your false claim, then make your false case for disgust, and you have your foundation for your campaign. Pathetic. All you have is a mis-quote? Good for the base that don't want the truth anyway.
These people have no argument beyond lies to their base. Anyone not "blinded by the light" sees right through this garbage.
By the time we all really understand what Romney is, we'll not only NOT vote for him, we'll hate everything he stands for.
These big-money blow-hards care little for this economy except their 15% tax rate. 15% allows them to suck as much as possible OUT of this economy and AWAY from business reinvestment and JOBS. These are "one-trick ponies" in the extreme. They are the REASON for the widening income gaps and the plight of the middle class and their aim is to further their own cause on the backs of our families.
Pathetic.
I don't ever remember having a POTUS candidate that had so many other people speaking for him. I wonder if it's because he's trying to find a spokesperson people can stomach.
witchrunner - Orville and Wilbur built bicycles. They did not come up with the orginal idea of the internal combustion engine, nor did they personally smelt, forge or mill all the engine parts. Charles Taylor made the engines for them.
As a machinist, Charles Taylor had equipment to make the engines. These machines, such as the lathe, were not made by him. They were made by others before him.
No one stands alone. We all stand on the work of others before us.
gov jingle has ties to India. He cannot be trusted!
Joe
So only northern inner city liberals can write history books? That could be a reason for the failing of the education system.
Your blanket statement that southern people are raciest shows just how ignorant you liberals have become.
The failings of this President have nothing to do with him being black. It has to do with his ideals and politics. He is a liberal who believes in theft and huge unmanageable govt. That is why he failed as a President because he thinks failed policies will work under him.
J
I'll bet he'd show it sooner than three years after they ask for it. I'll bet multiple sources have an open record of it. Go ahead and get them to ask. It will be shut down before it gets started becuase unlike the con-man in chief, he's not trying to hide a majority of his past or fabricate a huge portion either. But great question though...well thought out and researched. Oh, is Jindal running for president? Didn't think so, just more ghacking from the libs.
"The POTUS has no clue how to fix the economy. Time for a change."
Change to what?? What's Romney fix for the economy --- tax cuts for the richest of the rich, more defense spending and more deregulation?? Been there -- done that under George W. Bush. That brought about the WORST economy since the depression. So now Romney wants to do it again??? Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is called insanity. Election Romney to grow this economy would be like smoking to prevent lung cancer.
This Romney tax return thing must be working. It is forcing his supporters to start back down the losing birther and colleger lines of argument. And they know its a losing argument, but so desperate to change the subject.
We all know Romney will eventually give in and release another couple years. Have to say, while I thought this was an amusing Obama campaign stunt at first, Romney's seeming intent to take the heat on not releasing them has me wondering what is in those returns. Actually, the first thing I thought of when I heard this - again, assuming there isn't anything in his returns we don't already know - was a game plan to handle Romney the way earlier politicians learned to handle Perot. Use their CEO-based personality against him. Remember that infamous table top debate, in which Perot could barely finish a sentence without being interrupted, and when he could finish a sentence what he said was immediately called into question? So completely different than the board room environment, and Perot reacted as poorly as hoped. That's what I thought was going on.
Now, I'm not sure. Maybe it has something to do with his Bain golden parachute, which I read yesterday was primarily executed in 2009 - the latest year in which he is digging in those CEO heels. It sure seems like there is something Romney feels would hurt him more than the questions that are arising - even among Republicans - now.
But, like I said, he'll eventually give in. When the guys who are known as conservative intellectual leaders are calling for it as they are now, those releases will come.
Not to burst your bubble Charlie, but the way we got out of the Great Depression was due to defense spending. It was called World War II.
Obviously we can't do this now. So keep your blanket statement to yourself.
Not to burst your bubble Charlie, but the way we got out of the Great Depression was due to defense spending. It was called World War II.
And what did we do during World War II -- spend, spend, spend. That in turn put the nation back to work and after the war we built the interstate highway system, built schools, hospitals, all kinds of projects, spent tons on research, and went to the moon -- government spending with a booming economy. We have plenty of work to do in this nation -- bridges, highways, the electric grid, waste systems, lots of work. And -- we can finance it with the lowest interest rates of all times. What a deal??
You do not grow a business by cutting spending and you do not grow an economy by cutting spending either.
I am breaking a personal rule here. Jindal reminds me of a Disney character in appearance. Maybe Jiminey Cricket. Shame on me! Every time I see him, I expect to hear him break out in a Disney song. Okay, the nasty, snarky responses I deserve, for a personal comment about Gov. Jindal's appearance, I deserve. In advance, Sorry Jindal Fans.
Uh, ya. But you might have missed it 'cause they never showed them on 'Real Housewives', 'Cajun Pawn Stars' or 'Sponge Bob'.
No business on the face of this earth could be without the public. We buy their goods, or we buy goods from companies that buy their goods. Our tax dollars built the roads, the infrastructure, tax dollars pay for the research and development of the internet and computers and health and all kinds of other things. If none of this existed, no business would ever be. Business needs public and vise versa. its the circle of life here...
I want someone to tell me just what is our FAIR SHARE? The rich pay millions in taxes. In fact many pay more in one year than others pay in their whole lives. Almost half of our population pay no federal income taxes, so what about their FAIR SHARE? They take advantage all of the government programs while the rich do not. I wonder how many rich people are on food stamps or welfare. I agree people sometimes need a hand up, but not a hand out. Our government wastes a large percentage of the money it takes in. Why not cut the waste first?
Matthew: At least you put the credit where credit is due, the people who actually did the work.
sailcat: You do have a good point there. You definitely look at taxes the way a lib does, and that is that the money you make belongs to the government and that you are only allowed to keep some of it by the good grace of government. As is the nature of libs, you appear to be ignorant of the tax laws and how they work. The reality of taxes is that there is no such thing as a "tax break." The politicians and the IRS determine what is to be taxed. Then you prepare your tax return and pay the tax that is due. You are very naive if you think that only conservs hire tax experts to figure out how much they should pay. You also assume that libs look at the tax laws and say, "gee, I shouldn't get a tax break on that so I'm going to pay taxes on it anyway." Doesn't happen! Actually, it appears that one difference between libs and conservs is that conservs look at the law and apply every bit of it to reduce their taxes whereas libs just don't bother reporting things, and thus don't pay taxes on it. It seems half of the current administration had been dodging their taxes when Obama hired them.
As to the phony concept of "fair share," the fact is that only the rich pay their "fair share." When you have approximately 50% of the people paying no income tax when they do have income you can hardly say they are paying their "fair share." Heck, even a lot of this 50% actually get money back that they didn't even pay in. Now that is not FAIR!.
The only thing we have ever learned from the Obama and Biden tax returns is that the like giving away other people's money way more than giving their own money to charities.
Charlie - come on man, that's a really nice generic statement you threw out there.
"You do not grow a business by cutting spending and you do not grow an economy by cutting spending either."
Unless of course your losing money and your spending involves springing for a five star meal for everyone in the office twice a day. Going out on road trips each weekend with the staff to titty bars and spas, keeping the lights on all night because you're just too lazy to shut them off, having a very small office and paying an outside company to come in and clean the bathrooms or empty the trash when you can do it yourself, buying the best gourmet coffee for the machine, having the oil changed once a week in your company vehicles just because... do you get my drift or do we need to use pictures?
In other words you might not grow a business but you certainly save one that's failing and that goes for an economy as well. You've got to demo some walls before remodeling pal.
So what school of business or economics did you attend because I want to make sure my kids don't go there. You should as for your money back.
Charlie,
George Bush is no longer President. Not sure if you are aware of that. However, following your logic I echo a similar sentiment in terms of "Been there, done that". It was also called the Carter years.
Every measureable economic statistic on Obamas watch has been negative. He has no plan, no clue. Even if he did increase taxes "the millionaires and billionaires"...er, I mean the "two-hundred and fifty thousandaires", it will do literally nothing to solve our economic problems. It may make you feel better that those more financially successful than you pay a bit more, but economically speaking, it will have virtually zero impact. The numbers do not lie.
We need someone in the Oval office who knows how to lead. We need someone in the Oval office who champions the peoples rights to dream. We need someone in the Oval office who is honest. And lastly, we need someone in the Oval office who knows how to get the economy growing again. The current POTUS is not that person.
Time for a change and time to bring in the adults. Kumbia time is over.
That's not an accurate assesment of taxpayers. Every person that goes to work and receives an paycheck, pays taxes. Even people that are on Unemployment Compensation still have to pay Federal Taxes on that income.
However, at the end of the year they can deduct certain credits, interest payments, etc... and if it is deemed that they have paid too much in taxes , then they get a refund on the part they overpaid.
Getting a tax refund doesn't mean you aren't paying taxes, it means that you have overpaid and the government is correcting that overpayment.
I have never met someone that has received a tax refund greater than what they paid in taxes for the year...but if true then I would certainly like to meet their tax accountant.
I often find it funny that the first people who complain about civic problems by shouting, "I'm a taxpayer" are usually the same ones that also brag about how big their tax refund is.
Frankly, if you do get a refund; it just means that you gave the government a 0% interest loan on the amount you were overtaxed for that year.
By contrast, people who make their living off of dividends or other investments, like Romney, find ways to skirt around their tax obligations (which at 15% for capital gains is already considerably less than the average worker) and try to further minimize their taxes through loopholes with the ultimate goal of paying $0 in taxes.
What's in Rmoney's tax returns? My guess is that he hasn't paid taxes in years, or his rate is in the single-digits; and instead has pumped millions in charity to the Mormon Church which he doesn't want anyone to talk about.
vinnie: Earned Income Credit! It's been around for a while to redistribute the wealth. Consider yourself as having just met a tax accountant.
Now, with regards to the rest of my statement, the facts support me. The last year that I have figures for is 2005. The top 1% paid 39% of all income taxes. The top 5% paid 60%. The top 25% paid 86% and the top 50% paid 97% of all income taxes paid. These are actual taxes paid. Whether a refund was received or not has nothing to do with it. And a surprising fact, at least for libs, is that after the Bush tax cuts the wealthy actually paid a higher percent of the income tax payments. For example, the top 1% went from paying 33% of all income taxes in 2000 to 39% in 2005. And revenues increased too! Isn't that what libs want, for the the rich to pay more? Looks like Bush accomplished that and now Obama wants to undo it. Looking for more proof to the matter. Back in 1980 when the top rate was 70% the top 1% paid only 19% of all income taxes.
But, we wouldn't want the facts to get in the way of a good class envy yarn.
I guess you don't know my sister in law? Her federal tax liability amounts to about $3000/year and she receives a federal tax refund of $8000/year. Who do you think pays in that $5000/year in federal taxes so that she can enjoy her "once a year lottery winnings"? Oh I forgot, the people receiving unemployment compensation are..... BTW; she does her own taxes, online..... I'm not even going to mention the assistance programs that she receives a little something from....
You do realize that the largest portion of the 46% who owe no federal taxes are the elderly, the disabled, and students (who will end up as taxpayers), right? And the rest are mainly working poor families. The number has increased in the last few years due to the recession. And those who end up owing no federal taxes do pay state, local, and sales taxes.
Every tax bracket has a few people who cheat and milk the system. Do you seriously think there aren't a bunch of folks on the upper end who cheat their way out of paying what they should? I'm not that naive.
Matthew
Hmmm a simplified very clever play on
Author - Karl Marx.
Do you really want to put this country through the rest of what Marx says to install a system that has failed far worse than capitalism ever has?
Written on a PLASTIC Shopping Bag
THANK YOU FOR YOUR BUSINESS.
So Dear Romney Supporters... try reading the ENTIRE QUOTE from President Obama:
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PRESIDENT OBAMA: We've already made a trillion dollars' worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
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and that is the sum of what President Obama said about business owners.
Absolutely..... But you can't have it both ways.. Either the "rich" are largely contributing to this once a year windfall or they're not paying their "fair share"... What's it to be? Please don't forget that this is an annual event and has been for over 10 years now.....
rukidding47 -- Yes! We can't leave text books to Texas, who want to eliminate critical thinking.
Paul M in Wbridge -- It's not going to be acceptable for Romney to release less than 10 years, and not releasing more returns until right before the election (with no time to review what is in these). If he tries to play this game, he will fail to build trust and more importantly the news will be consumed with speculation.
In the meantime, this appears to be the only conviction Romney holds. His arrogant, entitled attitude that he is above doing the things other people do.
Matt-381715 -- Your post is an example of how the rightwingers are stuck in some earlier time in our history. The economic environment was completely different in WWII, most notably one-income households (women were introduced to the work force due to the war), manufacturing that no longer exists to make ball bearings and invent things like margarine and nylon stockings, not to mention we are now a part of a global economy.
Now wars only deplete our treasure, American lives, and goodwill with the rest of the world. Try to keep up.
The percent of defense spending per GDP (especially in comparison to other nations) IS what's bleeding us dry. We don't need to keep subsidizing Europe or have thermal nuclear weapons against the Soviets or a base in Japan. Enough!
Diamond60 -- If you're not going to read other people's answers to your questions, than stop posting your questions. It's obvious you are brainwashed and not interested in learning anything.
This statement is why we need to vote this inept man out of office. The above statement is in fact a false premise. Each of the things described above had been accomplished in the private sector BEFORE the Federal, State and/or Local governments ever got involved.
Private people did indeed make roadways...and charged tolls. Ports, were indeed private affairs...schools were private affairs...runways and airports were run totally by the private sector until the government stepped in.
Do I believe government has a place in all of these endeavors? Absolutely YES. But please don't try and blow the smoke up my butt that says the government is the only recourse for things we cannot do alone. That is a flat out lie.
DrDrGimmetheNews -- Agreed, and the 47% include Doctors, Lawyers, Realtors, etc. who are self-employed and not W2 employees subjected to third-party reporting (an employer) who abuse write-offs to show zero income.
DB Akron -- We know why you and your ilk spew that crap.
We are all socialists, especially seniors on Social Security and Medicare. Aside from our nation being a hybrid from early on, unlike communism (as practiced), socialism is not exclusive from capitalism. Thus the hybrid in which the US is best of breed with both.
The reason the rightwing loves to muddy these terms, for example "European" and now Romney repeating "foreign" is to try to paint the president as something "Other." It all gets back to racism and lies about his religion and plain bigotry. The Republican Party has always been a sanctuary for bigots, so sad.
Let's talk about "Other." Stephen Colbert pointed out something interesting -- that Nevada (for example) is trying to remove the option of "None of the above" from the ballot before the 2012 presidential election. Why? Because Romney IS "None of the above" and doesn't want to compete with the actual "None of the above" option.
So ask yourselves, what's worse? Being 'Other" or being "None of the above" and it becomes clear why Teapublicans are SO desperate to paint the president as "Other."
True Patriot - nice fingers pointing back at you!
"But you can't have it both ways.. Either the "rich" are largely contributing to this once a year windfall or they're not paying their "fair share"..."
No, see, percentages work like this: if 46% don't owe federal income tax at the end of the year, then 54% still do. The wealthiest 1-2% of the US are a very small part of that 54%. So "largely" the middle class (52% of the US) are the ones making up the bulk of those owing federal income tax. And yes, that 1-2% needs to spend more.
The folks who can't have it both ways are you guys who say "we're overtaxed!" (when taxes are the lowest they've been in 30 years) and also "you can't add to the deficit!" (when most people know you can't save your way out of a recession). And by the way, didn't you guys used to say that deficits didn't matter?
ri mom: Thanks for the full quote. Now I'm convinced he's more loony than ever. A trillion dollars of cuts already? Then how come spending keeps going up? A trillion dollars would put us back to 2008, which would be great! It's actually easy to do, but the pols don't have the guts to do it. It would also get us out of the economic slump.
When will these ignorant libbies wake the f up? There is no such "pay your fare share". That is just some crybaby statement made up by weak people who refuse to pay their fare share. You libs really are worthless, and a sham, and are who is responsible with the fall of this and every great nation. A cancer on all humanity.
Jason-1398178
Okay. F@#k "fair". Let's talk economic reality.
The rich have fared very well during the recession, making significant gains in their net worth while the middle class saw a 40% drop. Have you ever DARED to ask why?... or is that perfectly okay with you?
The recession has increase the number of unemployed, those not seeking employment, the underemployed, the homeless, those on and needing food stamps, those on welfare, those of Social Security Disability, and has cut every safety net possible that our elderly and retirees had available to them... you call them "weak"... I say FU and your shrill.
Romney's 14% effective tax rate is obscene. His profits on the backs of the unfortunate should make you vomit.
The ability of these greedy CEO money mongers to suck money directly out of our economy and our businesses and jobs is a DIRECT result of their ability to take personal income at rates of 15% and less.
Raise the rates of the top end and raise the capital gains rate to that same level and you'll see these dicks start to reinvest back into America instead of creating more accounts in the Cayman Islands.
This isn't about fair. This is about economics. It's about the rape of our system. It's about allowing too few to remove too much from the economy for their own personal gain. It's about how you use tax incentives.
If we let these tax rates at the top end stand, WE are the fools.
LMarkT You're right on the mark, good comment.
Just reread Orwells 1984 and it does clear up a lot of what the RWNJ's are spouting on the vine here.
Great! Sand Berm Bobby is stumping for Romney. The campaign must be really desperate. Jindal completely dismantled Louisiana's health department, so I guess he would be a good one to speak for destroying healthcare at the national level. On a positive note, he does remind one of Kenneth from 30 Rock.
Please, please...can we have another Bobby-Jindal-As-Stuart-Smalley speech as he did in "rebuttal" to the 2009 SOU address?
Who can possibly takes this guy seriously??? Yet the R-money camp is using Stuart Small----errr, Bobby Jindal to defend Mitt???
Absolutely laughable!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd-PjuuI5vQ
Jindal is an idiot extreme right winger that has found himself a home in the crazyville GOP land.
No, Piyush, they'll say you lied about what Obama said and purposely took his statement out of context. And they'd be right.
Pedestrian in SF, also known as the idiot town that legislated the content of Happy Meals......
The quotes are right HERE in this article, with quotation marks around them. His meaning is plain to see. Put down the bong, open your eyes and read.
This is great news about Jindal!!! Yea! New Saturday Night Live Material, I just can't wait. A total boob and you really can't tell if it's him or SNL.....
what the hell is jindal doing in ohio, if Romney picks him for VP, I see an Obama landslide, Joe Biden would eat Jindal for dinner
Just an observation here. Jindal is just being a typical Southern republican. Anyone besides me ever notice the size of that little mans mouth, especially when He speaks? He ever trips over something just right, He could literally turn Himself inside out. Fact, when I see Him, I often wonder whether He's inside out, or outside in, at any given time.
When we use the latest Realclearpolitics.com (a) polls and apply the two historically accurate 'rules' below, the total estimated Electoral College votes are as follows (270 needed to win);
Romney = 297
Obama = 241
http://www.polimerican.com/adults-vs-registered-vs-likely-voters/
http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2004/10/the_incumbent_r.html
Of course, polls will change over time, but the 'trend' is in Romney's favor.
(a) Realclearpolitics.com is an average of the major pollsters and has a better accuracy than any of the individual pollsters over the last two Presidential elections.
Mac - Are you racist against Indian Americans?
I want to see this guy's birth certificate!!!
When we use the latest Realclearpolitics.com (a) polls and apply the two historically accurate 'rules' below (see links), the total estimated Electoral College votes are as follows (270 needed to win);
Romney = 297
Obama = 241
http://www.polimerican.com/adults-vs-registered-vs-likely-voters/
http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2004/10/the_incumbent_r.html
Of course, polls will change over time, but the 'trend' is in Romney's favor.
(a) Realclearpolitics.com is an average of the major pollsters and has a better accuracy than any of the individual pollsters over the last two Presidential elections, although they do have a slight Democratic bias. This is as of July 18, 2012 and will be updated weekly.
And he is an "anchor baby".
http://inkandvoice.wordpress.com/2011/05/08/anchor-baby-bobby-jindal/
The Times-Picayune, New Orleans’ jewel of journalism, continues its report stating that Jindal’s mother came into the United States on a Louisiana State University scholarship with the promise to allow her time off to have the baby while in her graduate program. Six months after arrival, “Piyush [Bobby] Jindal was born at Woman’s Hospital in Baton Rouge, a natural-born U.S. citizen, who like every other child born in America, could, constitutionally, grow up to be president.”
Ok, let's talk immigration policies with the Republicans if their VP candidate is an anchor baby.
"Realclearpolitics.com is an average of the major pollsters and has a better accuracy than any of the individual pollsters over the last two Presidential elections, although they do have a slight Democratic bias."
How in the world could they have a "Democratic bias" when they average all the other polls including Fox and Rasmussen?
And RCP states that using methodology with no toss-up states, the EC would be Obama - 332, Romney - 206. Using the tossup states it's Obama - 221, Romney - 181, Tossups - 136. See here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Fail, Roy!
@DRDrGimmetheNews#2.13: Roy likes to sell his corn before It's shucked. After you buy you'll find nothing but cobs with a few scattering of kernels. Regards
@Rational AmeriCAN #2.9: Nope. Don't care for Jindal though. Don't believe a mouth that size is indicative of all "Indian Americans" either.
Hey Bobby, out of respect for the victims in Colorado, campaigning was suspended today.
DrDrGimmetheNews ""Realclearpolitics.com is an average of the major pollsters and has a better accuracy than any of the individual pollsters over the last two Presidential elections, although they do have a slight Democratic bias."....How in the world could they have a "Democratic bias" when they average all the other polls including Fox and Rasmussen?"
I'm simply telling the truth, which is easy to verify - for example, the 2004 Realclearpolitics final poll average showed Bush with only a 1.5% lead, but the actual result was a win by Bush of 2.4% - thus a Democratic poll bias of .9%. In 2008, the final poll average showed Obama with a 7.6% lead, but he won by 7.3%, for a Democratic poll bias of .3%.
By the way - Rasmussen had about the best results for the 2004 & 2008 polls vs actual results, with an average error of only 1% - they Overestimated the Democrat in 2004 by .8% and Underestimated the Democrat in 2008 by 1.3%, so they appear to be one of the few that was impartial when it came to a final accounting - the allegations of 'Bias' against Rasmussen don't hold up to scrutiny - at least in the Presidential polls.
The RCP averages you quoted are actually 'mixing apples and oranges' since it includes polls that seriously overstate the Democrat's real strength by including polls of 'Registered Voters', which has a Democratic poll bias of about 4% - thus overstating Obama's real strength because Republicans consistently turn out in greater numbers in the actual elections. See the following kink for an explanation;
http://www.polimerican.com/adults-vs-registered-vs-likely-voters/
One last point - the REAL winner for the best results in 2004 and 2008 was actually IBD/TIPP, who's final polls beat all of the major pollsters - including the numbers posted by Realclearaverage. Unfortunately, they are seldom quoted in the media.
The pollsters with the WORST average record in 2004 and 2008 are Gallup, Marist and Reuters.
If anything, RCP oversamples Rasmussen as they poll more often than other agencies, all their samples are included in the final tally, and they are not weighted by agency.
"I'm simply telling the truth, which is easy to verify - for example, the 2004 Realclearpolitics final poll average showed Bush with only a 1.5% lead, but the actual result was a win by Bush of 2.4% - thus a Democratic poll bias of .9%. In 2008, the final poll average showed Obama with a 7.6% lead, but he won by 7.3%, for a Democratic poll bias of .3%."
You might think so if you didn't have a good knowledge of statistics. Every poll has a margin of error (the + and - number you see following most results). The slight differences you see between poll averages and actual results are well within a margin of error.
"Rasmussen had about the best results for the 2004 & 2008 polls vs actual results, with an average error of only 1%"
In 2004, they still seemed fairly reliable, but the 'evidence' Rasmussen shows to demonstrate how reliable they were in 2008 rests on research conducted on only 1 poll, the last taken before the election, ignoring all the other polls they had taken prior. See here: http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf
And they were quite biased in 2010. See here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/
Oh, So whats OK for the left, is not OK for the right?
DrDrGimmetheNews
Your arguments are less than persuasive - for example;
- Rasmussen is not 'oversampled' because their poll is only counted once in the average, like all the other pollsters.
- Yes, there is a margin of error', but when it's consistently in favor of one party, it indicates possible 'bias'. And I do have a good knowledge of statistics. For example, when you use the RCP average, you are actually making the 'margin of error' much smaller (larger samples = lower margin of error).
- ALL of the polls have to be gauged on accuracy compared with the final actual results, so that's the standard that all pollsters have to live by. Saying that a pollster has changes over time is meaningless, since voter intentions are constantly changing over time.
- As for the N Y Times article, I have reviewed it and found that it was a completely biased article (surprise? Hardly). It basically said that Rasmussen was 'biased' towards Republicans because he didn't agree with the other pollsters, or that his polls changed over time (as did other pollsters), when the reality is that the other pollsters were 'biased' in favor of Democrats - The Fordham University study pointed out that 83% of the 'other' pollsters were biased towards Democrats when compared with the actual results.
- I limit my analyses to the Presidential race since that's the really important one, and for that, Rasmussen is one of the best for accuracy, but I actually use the RCP averages for my estimates, and Rasmussen is just one of many pollsters included.
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Roy-
You're actually right on the oversampling issue. A couple of years ago, I spent about a month dissecting RCP's methodology to see if they were a credible source. At the time Rasmussen was conducting more than one poll per week, and RCP was including all polls each week in the average, regardless of how many times an agency polled. I wrote RCP and said something about it, but never heard anything back. When I went back to look just now, it appears only one Rasmussen poll is included per week in each week's average. Good to know! Thanks for prompting me to look it up again.
About the margin of error, you are right that the margin of error gets smaller when you combine polls. But it doesn't disappear. As I said, the results you talked about earlier are all within a very reasonable margin of error, and I doubt the differences would be statistically significant. The NYT article agrees with you about the results being consistently in favor of one party or another, and they found that to be true of Rasmussen, not just that they disagreed with the other agencies.
I don't agree with having to only use the one final poll as the benchmark of overall accuracy. The state races are important to me, not just the presidential race because as we've seen, Congress seems to have a hard time getting things done when they can't get along.
I'm not surprised you believe the NYT article was biased; it completely disagrees with your perspective. I researched it earlier and found the methodology sound, at least in part because they looked at numerous polls from each agency (100 from Rasmussen alone), rather than only the final one from each, which might produce results that are an artifact of some sampling anomaly rather than a distinct trend.
I look at RCP as well, pretty regularly. Have a good day.
DrDrGimmetheNews "Roy- I don't agree with having to only use the one final poll as the benchmark of overall accuracy."
I'm glad we agree on most issues, but we cannot agree on this one because I don't think there is another completely objective measure to use in evaluating the performance of the various pollsters than the final actual results vs final polls. Any change from a poll that precedes the final poll (which typically occurs very close to the election) may only reflect a change in the intentions of the voters - many voters make last minute decisions.
By the way - when I make my 'projections', I track the 'bias' between 'Registered Voters' and 'Likely Voters' on a state by state basis (only for the 'Battleground' and 'Leaning' states) from the data provided by RCP, and the estimate in the link below seems pretty accurate - as of last week, that 'bias' in the 'Battleground' states is averaging 4.11% - very close to the link that uses the 'rule of thumb' of 4% bias in 'Registered Voter' polls. Here's that link again; I'm less comfortable with the second link in my Post #2.11 above because I feel that allocating 85% of 'Undecideds' to the challenger is perhaps a stretch, so I use an estimate that is more evenly split for my projections - which may make my projections a bit conservative.
http://www.polimerican.com/adults-vs-registered-vs-likely-voters/
I'm glad we agree on some things. Gotta be a first, eh?
"I'm glad we agree on most issues, but we cannot agree on this one because I don't think there is another completely objective measure to use in evaluating the performance of the various pollsters than the final actual results vs final polls."
See, I don't see that last poll as the benchmark of overall accuracy as it is, by definition, just one poll. If you use the last poll as a proxy for 'overall accuracy,' hypothetically, you could have an agency that is wildly inaccurate in every poll until the last one named the 'most accurate' if they managed to get the last one right.
Anyway. Enjoy your night.
DrDrGimmetheNews
If you try to 'factor in' changes in polling over the last several weeks, I'm not sure how you would differentiate between actual changes in voters plans and polling error - especially when some pollsters give daily updates while others perhaps only weekly 'snippets'.
Anyway - Buenos Noches from Costa Rica.
Roy Wilson-336103 DRDRGimmetheNews got you told?
I'm unsure what you're trying to say here gloria. Roy and I just had a very civil discussion about an area where we have differing but valid perspectives.
Jindal's handling of the BP oil spill was centered on buillding very expensive sand berms that were almost useless in controlling the spread of lost oil, and quickly eroded away under wave action.
They should call Jindal The Funnel. He funnelled the BP money to his contractor buddies to build the sand berms, and all the san berms did was funnel oil into endangered habitat areas.
Jindal's handling of the Gulf oil spill? What about Obama's?
A competent president immediately would have made government-to-government requests for every single oil skimmer ship in the entire world to head for the Gulf of Mexico and start orbiting the blowout. This would have prevented any spread of the oil beyond the immediate area.
By contrast, Obama dithered for 60 days, allowing the oil to spread throughout the Gulf, and creating a serious environmental disaster. Even then, all he did was assemble lawyers to sue BP.
@scott... source please
@robert... source please
Here ya' go Ed.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/panel-jindal-sand-berm-project-colossal-waste-time-20101216-143112-004.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/12/oil-spill-panel-calls-jindals-sand-berms-a-220m-waste/1
http://www.newfuelist.com/~q6i/la-sand-berms226epushed-by-gov-jindal-against-objections-from
If you need a source about him resembling Kenneth from 30 Rock, you're going to have to watch the show.
To kannin:
You are wrong my extreme right friend. I watched the disaster every day from the beginning and Obama acted with government assistance within a week of the hurricane. Spread some more GOP lies my friend.
Max - Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help. They have both experience and plans for combating such accidents. It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands...
“the embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘thanks, but no thanks,’” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston...
Obama could have prevented the oil from spreading and chose not to. My speculation (I don't have a source, so don't ask) is that he wanted to use the environmental damage to help him get more stringent government regulation of offshore drilling.
You said Obama waited 60 days before acting, right. Now you give me this as a response after I told you you were wrong? Your speculation is again just GOP cr@p!
Max - I didn't say Obama waited 60 days before acting. I said he dithered for 60 days: making speeches and engaging in unproductive activities. The main point is he could have prevented the oil from spreading and chose not to!
What useful thing do you think he accomplished during those 60 days?
To Kannin:
The Dutch were being very respectful but unrealistic on being a real force in containing the oil spill at the time. The ships and equipment were weeks away from being able to sail to the gulf and BP promised they had the resources and will be able to contain the spill and lied about how bad the damage really was. By the time the real information came out the damage was out of control.
Yet you blame OBAMA?
Yes Max, I do blame Obama! He had the knowledge and the means to prevent the disaster and chose not to. You say that BP reassured him. What would you expect them to say? Was Obama so naive as to put all his hope in the outfit that caused the blowout in the first place? Did he feel that a backup plan to employ oil skimmers might somehow insult BP?
Obama was incompetent and America paid the price. Yes, I do blame Obama.
Kannin, Kannin, Please come back... I want to know what you do about Obama and how he was irresponsible about Katrina?
When the only source of information you have is BP (it will take days to do his own examination if not weeks and they are the mulitibillion dollar company in charge and they flat out lie to you? And they have "everything under control"? Remember that? How many days did it take for the oil to come from the floor 2 miles down? I think they got a trickle in 7 days. The rig disaster lasted at least that.
How did Obama have the means to prevent the disaster? It was a disaster. From the beginning. Do you remember that the offshore oil rig exploded and killed eleven workers? Then the thing sank?
And what makes more since, than Kannin, is this: After the offshore oil rig exploded and sank in the gulf of Mexico, the United States called the BP CEO and demanded to know everything they did, what they did, what they were doing and what are they going to do about it. Then BP asked for more time to evaluate the situation, put us off, delayed and delayed. They assured the US that they have a "shut off" valve at the source and dispatched ships to contain the spill and rescue any survivers. A week later oil starts coming up. A small amount at first. Then a lot more.
Kannin: Please tell me what "knowledge and means" Obama had to prevent this oil spill? Please provide what knowledge the President about an oil rig in the gulf of Mexico he had. Tell me the means he had to prevent it. Can Obama go back in time to stop the the increased drilling they did because they were behind and loosing money? Did Obama know the blow out valve was defective? If he did I will be the first to vote him out of office.
Just like the rest of the tea party extreme right, your argument is just GOP lies.
#3.8 Max
The "disaster" was the environmental damage when the oil reached the wetlands.
Please tell me how Obama could have stopped an est. 170 million gallons of fresh crude from reaching land in the gulf? It is going to ruin it. The only way this disaster could have been prevented was more over-site and tighter restrictions in the oil industry. But the GOP claimed restrictions on drilling hurt the economy. (And I blame the GOP partly for this). The GOP still claim the EPA restrictions on coal is hurting this economy. Do you people know how dirty coal is? Anyone have any ideal? Coal is the dirtiest thing you can put into the environment. It's human made mercury.
Gota go, "The OPEN" is on!
Also oil skimmers (like the name sounds) only get the oil from on top of the water. Its not like all the oil was on the surface of the water. Massive amounts of it is still on the floor and in the water column. Total oil lost was over 200 million gallons.
BPs original estimate that the oil would be gone by 2012 has not proven to be the case. By comparison, the Exxon Valdez was 11 million gallons.
It's also worth pointing out that had Obama immediately exorcised BP and taken complete control, he would have been accused of overreaching, overreacting, being hostile to business, etc. Also, I'm sure that BP was, or should have been, better quipped to deal with this type of problem. This is a very specialized operation that requires very specialized equipment. I doubt that they have those things sitting around in the White House basement waiting for the next drilling disaster. Let's also point out that had bushco not gutted MMS and had MMS been doing their job, this could likely have been prevented and yet the reich wing troglodytes continue to rail against government regulation.
Thomas Blue, as soon as you start SPECULATING about what might have happened ..... you LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY ! Let's see if you can PROVE what would have happened based on a non-existent contingency.
Prove it Thomas, prove it !
"It's also worth pointing out that had Obama immediately exorcised BP and taken complete control, he would have been accused of overreaching, overreacting, being hostile to business, etc."
Exactly, Thomas. Or it would have been <gasp> SOCIALIST.
"Thomas Blue, as soon as you start SPECULATING about what might have happened ..... you LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY !"
Oh, so does that same statement apply to all those posting above who are sure that the oil would have been contained if Obama had just hired the Dutch? Or just to those who disagree with your position?
Does anybody know if Jindal, taking his lead from Pawlenty, mentioned "Obomney" care once again in this speech also?
I'd like to see Kannin post some proof of what he states that Obama had the means and method to stop the oil spill fallout in a faster manner. And by proof, Kannin, your opinions, speculations, feelings, gut reaction etc., like what you've posted about it so far, won't get it done. Something actually verifiable from an unbiased source would suffice, if you've got it.
As I remember it, it was Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) who actually apologized to the foreign head of BP for the institution of the loss claims the government imposed in June '10. And then he apologized for his first apology under pressure from his own party leaders. Not surprising when you understand that Barton's campaigns, as of that time, had received more than $1.4M from PAC's of the oil and gas industries.
To Eyes wide:
Yes, I remember Rep. Barton bashing Obama for putting pressure on BP to pony up the cash in a trust for the damage they were causing. Rep. Barton said something like "it was embarrassing that our president would put such a demand on such an upstanding company". Pure crap.
They were destroying the gulf of Mexico and the gulf States coasts. If I remember correctly Jindal bashed Obama too. Just another extreme right GOP blunder. Jindal is very, very good at the blame game. Not very good at making since.
ROBERT: What Jindal spent on sand berms is a very, very, tiny drop in the bucket in comparison to Obama's waste of taxpayer money by increasing entitlements, encouraging people to go on food stamps, sending stimulus money over seas, Solyndra etc., etc., etc. At least Jindal was trying to do something positive -- not throwing away taxpayer money so as to increase nearly every entitlement imaginable in an attempt to buy votes. Yes, Romney has raised more money than Obama, but Obama using taxpayer dollars has spent far more on his own campaign.
The only entity that could have stopped the disaster in the gulf was Haliburton. By doing their job properly before the blowout.
Wasn't that the same contractor blamed for electrocuting our troops while they showered (in Iraq)? How the hell do they get away with these heinous, criminal acts? Oh, yeah. Dick Cheney
Jindal is an anchor baby...look him up on wikipedia...really!!!
Ahhhhh, so many of you guys are forgetting the secret behind closed door meetings Cheney (AKA Halliburton) had with all the big oil boys. I doubt that Obama had the time to even think about all the crap the Bush/Cheney guys had stashed here and there since there appears to have been so much of it.
And if these creative entrepreneurs had been born in the Sudan or any other African country would they have succeeded and prospered like they have in the U.S.? No! Part of their success is due to our infrastructure, our legal system, our universities, our society and so forth.
Through all of this discussion about who was to blame I thought BP was responsible for the oil spill? You certainly wouldn't know there ever a spill because of BP's constant advertisements on how wonderful everything is along the coast. Why hasn't anyone mentioned the long term impact of the spill?
Willard Mitt "RMoney" keeps talking about entrepreneurs. The majority of Americans do not have their own business-we are workers at companies. This guy is out an of touch elitist who thinks everyone has parents who can give their son $10 million like he did with his son Tagg to start Solamere Capital and then hire his daddy's campaign employees. 4 military deferments, 4 houses around the country, offshore bank accounts, paying 15% income tax on $22 million income - "RMoney" is not a man of the people.
Chances are the company you work for was started by an entrepreneur....
Small businesses (ie entrepreneurs), according to the Small Business Association:
Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.
• Employ half of all private sector employees.
• Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
• Generated 65 percent of net new jobs over the past 17 years.
• Create more than half of the nonfarm private GDP.
• Hire 43 percent of high tech workers ( scientists, engineers, computer programmers, and others).
• Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.
• Made up 97.5 percent of all identified exporters and produced 31 percent of export value in FY 2008.
• Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms.
http://web.sba.gov/faqs/faqIndexAll.cfm?areaid=24
no, he is not out of touch... I have not had a "job" since my early 20's. I have always been my own employer. Over the years, I have had as many as 20 employees and now have 1. The problem of government regulations has caused me to let everyone go. I could not afford the time, effort, money, to deal with the government... I used to years ago, fund my employees to become independent contractors to circumvent government regulations.... perfectly legal.. by the way... don't you see... the government is in the way... fire obama and his socialist ways.
Ed,
You tell us what you did years ago. At what point did that change?
"The problem of government regulations has caused me to let everyone go."
Ed -- if that's true you have to be one of the very WORST business people in the nation. You remind me of my brother --- always blaming Democrats for his failures when in fact -- he's lazy, never botherd to get an education, made one bad choice after another.
Yea, Ed, government was in the way when the banks and financial institutions manipulated, lied and cheated their way to cause a national financial disaster. Even still, banks are reeking havoc on the financial system.
Smart regulation and tough enforcement; obviously we can't leave it solely up to the private sector to regulate themselves, especially when their actions negatively affect us all.
I own a small business. I finance several others. Have been a part of big business, intermediate sized business, and generally have partnered with a very diverse variety of business segments over the last 40 or so years. For the life of me I cannot understand, nor do I know, what the hell people are talking about when they tell that this President is killing them with regulations. Some EPA and OSHA regulations are stupid, and have been for years. Most though, are in place for all our welfare, and are based in sound, common sense logic. Financial regulations are, at present, the most lax I have seen in 40 years. The cost of "risk management" due to the litigious nature of the general population is on the increase, as It has been each year since I have been in business. I'd like to see some of these oppressive business regulations this President has put into place, and compare them to those already in place. I'm not aware of any.
Just wait til ACA goes into effect. Just remember for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Jimsea.... Guess who is paying to keep big banks profitable. It was the rich, but now it is the poor. Thanks for the financial reform. No free checking, no free anything from the banks now.
"Just wait til ACA goes into effect."
Yes, it will really be horrible that folks who want to deliberately expose themselves to an increased risk of skin cancer will have to pay an additional 10% if the tanning salons pass the tax on to the consumer.
It will really be awful if the manufacturers of medical devices have to pay an extra 2.3% tax. What will they DO? (Perhaps they could take it out of their promotional budget when they bring lunch/meals to the offices or spend less on the stupid promotional merchandise they hand out.)
And those folks who just choose not to get health insurance, risking that an accident or an illness will either bankrupt them, possibly forcing them into public assistance or by defaulting, have their medical costs increase the costs of the rest of us, it is just a crying shame that they will have to pay a $95 tax in 2015. Really.
And those poor, poor, 1%ers who have incomes over $200,000 and who have capital gains over $250,000 for the year, they will have to pay an additional 3.8% on the amount over that. Jeez, that would bring the tax rate for those gains over $250,000 up to 18.8%. The horror! How will they survive?
And to expect the companies who benefit from an additional 30 million customers to kick in some additional taxes to help pay for the subsidies of low-middle income people! Inconceivable!
/extreme sarc/
If you quote Newton's laws of motion, I'll quote Paul to the Galatians: "You will reap what you have sown." You guys screamed, "deficit, deficit, deficit" until there were funding provisions put in place so as NOT to add more to the deficit, and now you scream, "tax, tax, tax." And you just now discovered these provisions in PPACA since it passed 2 years ago? Really??
Hey Ed!! Face it; you're a failed businessman.
If you want to blame someone for your business' demise (other than yourself, of course), it's the anti-regulation crowd that opened the game of speculative lending to the Wall Street banking gang.
But, in the end, you did not have a sustainable business plan.
Read Mitt"s 59 point plan where he proposes Territory Tax. Where foreign investors can invest in the US without paying US taxes.
Jindahl is so sad, just the saddest of erzatz politicians. Lose him asap. Maybe he'll get a profession like optometrist.
Your post should be used as Newsvine's definition of "No Value"
I just reported your post as having "No value" as well Kannin. Life's funny like that.
Obama/Biden 2012!
I just reported snk post as having no value... life is funny like that... ABO
Ditto, Mr. Ed.
Obama/Biden 2012!
well snk, I guess we both lose...
that will be ok and maybe obama can get a job handing our food stamsp
We all know that you'll be the first in line Ed.
Ann I will use the democrat talking point......You are a racist.
Hey Ed! Aren't you the complaining, failed businessman from earlier posts?
Always a bad business move to expose yourself either Liberal, or conservative. Either way, you piss off about 45% of your prospective clients.
Why is it that the only topics on the politics section of NBCNEWS is about Romney? What about Barack Obama?? Where
is the balance? The economy is in the tank and nobody wants to question the plan going forward. I want Walter Cronkite back for some reality checks. People quit being led by your noses!!!!!!!
What do you want them to report? How about how he authorized the raid to kill Bin Laden. How about how he turned the drone program from one that was killing mostly civilians under Bush, to one that has dismantled most of Al Qaeda's top leadership. Or how about how he finally got something done on health care reform, something that president's have been trying since FDR.
You're right, they should report more on Obama.
@scott... I have a problem with the government overtly ordering the killing of anyone without either a formal declaration of war, or a trial.... and to kill others in the execution of that killing.... is nothing less than murder itself.... and scott, frankly, I am glad that he is gone (if he is). I think it is morally wrong for our president to openly gloat and proudly proclaim that HE did it... can you believe?? what a sad state of affairs.... this man MUST be removed from office.
Funny how you didn't mind Bush ordering it, or him ordering the torture of prisoners, or him ordering the invasion of a sovreign nation without provocation.
bush is history... obama is now. Has not obama invaded Pakistan? Frankly, I did not agree with the invasion of Iraq. I did not vote for Bush, I did vote for obama... and I hold him in great contempt... as should you.
I don't believe a word you're saying Ed, sorry.
@scott - How about Obama's failure to protect the Pakistani Doctor (and his family) that was very instrumental in identifying OBL for the U.S? You know he is currently serving a 33 year sentence in prison for his part. BTW, how about the millions + dollars extra the military spent on suppling our troops because Pakistan closed the border over the killing of Pakistani soldiers. Finally months later SOS Clinton apologized so we could get our supplies to our troops.
What about identifying the military personnel in a covert operation by naming the Seal Team. Numerous ones later killed in Al Qaeda ambush. What kind of a CIC refuses to admit that the killing of 17 Americans at Ft Hood was an act of terrorism.
Why don't we hear more from the left about the number of Americans killed in Afghanistan, more in Obama's 3.5 yrs than Bush's 7 yrs. Why are we still in Afghanistan when OBL and most of his lieutenants are dead since the purpose of going to Afghanistan was to get OBL and his lieutenants. Why did Obama promise Afghanistan military and financial support until at least 2024? Why do we not hear anything about how many American troops have been killed by the Afghanistan counterparts in the past 6 months or so? I remember the left wing media everyday ran the body count when Bush was President, but now you hear nothing.
Why don't we hear about how Obama tried to talk the Iraqi government into letting us keep American military personnel in Iraqi after the Dec 31 dead line and failed. He was then forced to remove the troops and then he wants to take credit for ending the Iraq war, when in fact it was President Bush that agreed to and set the end of war date as 31 Dec 2011.
As for your mention of health care, still the majority of American people do not want the ACA as our health law.
Bush may be history, and for that we can be thankful, however, we cannot just tie it up in pretty bundles and forget what damage was done. We will be paying, in more ways than one, for his actions and/or lack of same for many years to come. That is why we cannot have a Mitt Romney in the WH. it will be more of the same. And to prove it, he has surrounded himself with advisors left over from the Bush administrations.
So Mitt when are we going to see the tax returns? Wonder why??
"those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"
George Santayana
The history of the last three years should prove we want nothing more to do with this guy.
Get someone else and try and fix this hole we are in. Now I know you want to blame the hole on bush and that's fine. But then your guy came and blew another hole deeper then the one we were in. Stop digging.
Time to replace this failed President.
sfc - what do you propose that he should have done about the Pakistani doctor? The man was OFFERED protection and help getting to the US and he refused. We can't very well go to a sovereign nation and tell them how to run their justice system regarding a citizen of THEIR country - unless you want Iraq and Iran (and Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc) telling US how to run OUR justice system regarding citizens of OUR country.
Why do you want him to name the members of the SEAL team? He told us from the very start that a SEAL team, acting on Intelligence NOT gathered by torture, took OBL out with no loss of American lives.
If Scott's logic (or lack of) represents the public's, no wonder this country is doomed.
Sorry sir, your logic that "You're against Obama, therefore you were for Bush" is very, very flawed.
"bush is history... obama is now."
You Republicans have a very short memory. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
Love it. The right's tactic of blaming precedents is wrong. So the left can do it too.
Treating a country like Elementary school arguments isn't going to help anything.
Come back to reality please.
Cat, I never said he should identify the Seal Team by naming the members. I said he should not have even mentioned the fact that it was a Seal Team. It was a covert operation by a combination of military special operations forces and CIA.
If you have some proof that the Pakistani Doctor was offered protection and refused please post it. BTW, maybe he didn't realize that the Americans were going to put his name out in public so Obama could take a victory lap.
sfc,
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-29/news/sns-rt-pakistan-ciadoctorl1e8gtfu0-20120529_1_abbottabad-pakistani-authorities-bin-laden-hunt
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/29/shakil-afridi-osama-bin-laden-pakistan-doctor-prison_n_1635753.html
This from a NON-US source:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/jailed-doctor-shakil-afridi-who-helped-find-osama-bin-laden-turned-down-relocation-to-us-7804992.html?oo=0
Another NON-US source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18196669?oo=0
His insult to American entrepreneurs is Obama's admission that he would be incapable of starting a successful business.
Candidates that are incapable of achieving personal success, will be even less capable of achieving national success.
Oops, I did it again Kannin.
Obama/Biden 2012!
Remember -- over the last 84 years we've has 2 business men as president. One was Hubert Hoover and the other was George W. Bush. What kind of shape was the economy in when they left office?
False. You left out Truman, Carter, Bush Senior.
Context, Kannin . . . context . . .
President Obama's statement was not an insult to businesses or business owners. It was a statement that reflected the direct interdependency of society and systems (to include infrastructure) in order for businesses to start up and succeed.
The Amonix solar manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants, has closed its 214,000-square-foot facility about a year after it opened. Let's add this one to the pile of terrific business decisions of our current president. Barely a year and already bankrupt. Scratch those jobs off the "jobs created or saved" list and add them to the unemployment list. How many is that now?
How many businesses fail in their first year? 70%. And how is it Obama's fault somehow that they failed anymore than it is the fault of a bank that lends money to a new startup?
Obamafiles are quick to point out a couple of Bain failures while neglecting to admit that their guy has racked up quite a few more loosers. Only difference is Bain did it with private money. Obama did it with taxpayers money, or rather money borrowed against taxpayers. We'll be paying them off for decades. Obama should do a little more research before investing my money in companies likely to fail. Don't you think?
" Obama should do a little more research before investing my money in companies likely to fail."
Are you aware that an independent audit was conducted for the program that provided the loans to those startup companies? It found that the vast majority (87%) were successful, had provided both construction and ongoing jobs, and were paying back the loans sooner than expected? See here: http://about.bgov.com/2011/12/01/bgov-study-solyndra-failure-obscures-low-risk-energy-guarantees/ and here: https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=45
Wow, neet article written in 2011, Aminox didn't get their money till 2011 and they're already bankrupt. Several more have hit the bankruptcy docket since then and the 87% number is considerably less now. I take it DRDR that you think Obama has been a good stewart of our tax dollars.
It's over for the annointed one and I smell a victory for truth, justice and the American way in Nov.
He got that one right.
Government has created an enormous amount of wealth. Government brought electricity to every home and business. That has generated an enormoues amount of wealth. Government built America's interstates, allowing all those products to be transported throughout the country. Government created the satellites that beam business communications and cable TV, an enormous source of revenue. And of course, government created the internet, that allow trolls like yourself a forum to spout off.
your point? The government has taxed you to death. For what? Your government is taking away your rights. For what. Your government wants to tell you what to think. For what. Your government wants to tell you how to think. Your government wants to tell you when you can water your lawn.... Get a life, scott.... be somebody, do not be government troll..... be yourself... be somebody..... god, I hate you libs... oops... didn't mean to use the G word
Wow, how patriotic of you to demonize your government. You're one of the red blooded Americans that have a flag flying on the front porch, and then trash your country when your corporate overlords tell you to. At least you admit your hatred though, I like that.
Vote Republican in November and lets put a good man in the WH we really dont need the campaigner... we need soneone that will help the economy and not by borrowing his way out of debt.
Ed,
What Rights have been taken away from you by the President?
As to watering your lawn, call your Mayor!
How much of the tax you pay is Federal?
Yes, we pay a lot of taxes, but most of them are state and local. Add in the fees state and local governments impose (they call them fees so they can say they haven't raised your taxes)?
Obama 2012!
"The government has taxed you to death."
More BS right wing talking points. Taxes are at their lowest point since the 1930s.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
Forbes is not exactly a LIBERAL publication, in fact it's fairly conservative. These are the FACTS in terms of Government spending. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to make up "facts".
Scott do you know or understand where the Government get's it's funding from to pay to build or develop anything. It taxes businesses and individuals, the government cannot exist without taxpayers. The government builds and or develops very little, it simply extorts money from those of us who earn an income and then re-distributes it to contractors to build or develop tangible items. The government has proven historically that it cannot operate anything and maintain or manage it's cost of operations, much less make a profit. The US Post Office is a good example, it is going broke and closing offices, while FedEx, and UPS are making huge profits.
Larry,
- The purpose of government is NOT to make a profit, but to tke care of the needs of its people.
- If you guys do manage to destroy the Post Office, good luck getting a letter anywhere in the country in under two days, and for less than a buck.
- Government Has proven it can manage a great deal of immensely difficult tasks effectively (like going to the moon, figting fascism etc) They just can't do it effectively under Republicans.
And that's why we need to just let large corporations run the country...because they will take care of us...so down with government and privatize the military!!!
seems to have created lots of wealth for traitors like darth vader cheney and haliburton
No Scott...the government did not create all of the wonderful things that you listed in your post...government by its very nature cannot create anything without the revenues that are collected from taxpayors including those that own small businesses. You must have had a large gap in your education to conclude that government can create anything without our hard-earned money.
Mitt's advisors-13 of 17 come from the Bush Administration. So you can't say the Bush era is over.
@backhouse... as I see you are a backdoor man, drop em and bend over... obama is coming over... Seriously though, I saw obamas "speech" and happen to believe that obama thinks that government is responsible for all. I ask you this. did the government give 1 dime to: Edison (you know light bulb, GE),,,, well I take that back Immelt GE... darn I digress... anyway, did the government fund Edison, Ford, Carver (you know the peanut butter guy), Kroc, Gates, me? No way... yes the government does do roads, dams, some airports, military, foreign relations, etc... ok, but the government has no give right to govern our everyday lives....
...and even if the Government was responsible for granting the business license those entrepreneurs needed to start, the entrepreneur should choose to whom he should be grateful --- his mentor, his inspiration, his employees, his customers. He should not be obligated to first credit the government.
thank you candice
I credit those entrepeneurs with putting Chinese drywall in my house, and blocking traffic picking up day laborers every morning instead of hiring skilled Americans.
You're welcome, Ed.
Scott - You do know that it is the federal government that lets that Chinese dry wall into the country don't you? As for the day laborers, if they are not here legally then it is up to the Federal Government to take them into custody and deport them, but then Obama says we aren't going to deport illegals unless they are criminals.
sfcret,
They wouldn't be here in the first place if contractors and restaraunts wouldn't hire them over skilled workers, and if the U. S. Chamber of Commerce (One of the GOP's biggest supporters) didn't lobby so hard to keep the immigration laws the way that they are.
sfcret - President Obama said he would prioritize convicted criminals and those that made re-entry after bening deported before.
A few other facts most folks seem to forget - President Reagan gave amnesty to over 3 million illegal aliens. The State of Florida (among other states such as Arizona and Texas) refuse to fully implement e-Verify because the requirement for all workers to have a US citizenship or be otherwise legal "puts the state at a competitive disadvantage" per Gov. Rick Scott. President Obama has deported more illegal immigrants in four years than President Bush did in eight.
Matthew - Yes we all know about Reagan and most of the conservative base was against the amnesty, which was championed by Senator Ted Kennedy. It was suppose to be less than a million but due to cheating and forgeries it ended up at around 3 million and it was a big mistake. As for Obama bragging about deporting more illegals than Bush did he changes his tune when pandering for Hispanic votes. You are also aware that the majority of illegals are picked up by local police depts and now Obama has instructed Homeland Security and immigration not to assist in verifying the status of those picked up in certain states.
I said this before, why any Hispanic would vote for Obama is beyond me, since they helped him get reelected in 2004 based on his promises and he never delivered on one of them. How can they trust him now based on more promises?
sfcret - you are referring to the 287(g) section of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.
(quote) "(g)(1) Notwithstanding section 1342 of title 31, United States Code, the Attorney General may enter into a written agreement with a State, or any political subdivision of a State, pursuant to which an officer or employee of
the State or subdivision, who is determined by the Attorney General to be
qualified to perform a function of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States
(including the transportation of such aliens across State lines to detention
centers), may carry out such function at the expense of the State or political
sub-division and to the extent consistent with State and local law."
No where does it say it must. In fact, in the case of Arizona - Maricopa County Sheriff's Department, the agreement was withdrawn specifically because the issues and findings associated with racial profiling.
There are also budget concerns that have to be considered. The demands on the federal agreements were overwhelming the resources available.
Regardless, any State that has apprehended a person and takes them to a jail can call ICE to verify citizenship. This include Maricopa County. What will not happen is that ICE officers will not respond to every traffic stop where there is a suspicion of a person being an illegal immigrant.
sources: http: //www .ice.gov/news/library/factsheets/287g.htm
http: //www .dhs.gov/ynews/releases/20111215-napolitano-statement-doj-maricopa-county.shtm
Matthew - See you made my point. The federal government is responsible for working with the states on immigration. However, if the states don't want to jump through the Federal hoops the federals say "we can take away the right to cooperate with you.
The Obama administration is pissed because the Court upheld the right of the states to check for legal status. This BS from Holder at the Justice Department was nothing short of a temper tantrum because he got "schooled". It's all political and Obama's Administration is "If you don't play by my rules, we will quit playing the game."
Question for the democrats: Why won't the Obama Administration, especially the Justice Department enforce the "sanctuary law." Seen any so called "sanctuary cities" being penalized?
As part of the 287(g) agreement that the feds had with Maricopa County and other jurisdictions, it allowed the locals to call the feds in at every traffic stop that a suspected illegal immigrant was at. For some locals this meant they called for the majority of traffic stops with a person with either a hispanic surname or appeared to be of hispanic heritage even when they let the person go with either a ticket or a warning. The locals were abusing the contract. Note that the feds can STILL be called in when the person is taken to jail.
This is also entirely consistent with the President's determination to focus resources on convicted criminals and returnies.
Re: sanctuary cities:
http: //www .washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/10/sanctuary-cities-may-be-facing-legal-action/
I'll also point out that they existed under President Bush 1 and 2, President Clinton, and President Reagan. There was no real action taken during their administrations.
Also, you might want to look at ALL the STates that have refused to fully implement e-Verify. The list includes FL, TX, and AZ. Per Gov. Scott in FL, they will not implement it because it "puts Florida at a competitive business disadvantage." In other words, businesses want inexpensive illegal labor and would rather hire them than Americans for profit reasons.
Here's a link to Politifact's discussion of Scott and e-verify: http://www.politifact.com/florida/promises/scott-o-meter/promise/618/require-all-florida-employers-to-use-e-verify-syst/
If Jindal is in Ohio, who is watching the kwik-E-mart?
Isn't Jindal one of those "anchor babies" that the republicans despise so much?
Wish Jindal would stay there. He's never in Lousiana, but wastes a bunch of our tax money flitting around pursuing his dream of VP. Should that happen, rest assured Mr Obama, regretfully, you will get my vote.
SO let's agree that not another dime will go to private companies for Gov't contracts. Not for military, no subsidizing big business, no tax breaks for businesses, no investments in any industry and no contracts of any sort to private companies. Every dime is to go to paying down the debt. Let's see how long the country survives.
This is a bit off subject, but let me see if I got this right. President Obama tells my local home improvement store where to buy its inventory (which would include Chinese dry wall) and from whom?
Governor Jindal was a Rhodes Scholar and is brilliant forward-looking succesfull two term Governor. A rising star.
He fixed the mess that Louisiana was in, from its legacy of totally crooked incompetent Democrat politicians..
Is he dead already? Also, you lie.
Obama/Biden 2012!
snk
what lie
I was referring to Jindal fixing Louisiana's mess, Sweet Mullet Larry (which I notice you didn't even comment on). Do me a favor and put me on "Ignore" will you. Your BS posts bore me to tears.
Larry,
Thanks for Jindal's CV.
By the way , last time I heard he was not saying if Louisiana was going to expand Medicaid to enroll some of the uninsured in his state under the ACA law.
Maybe he is too busy to tend to state business as a surrogate of Romney theses days.
Ever hear of Wikipedia NorthstarDFL? It's Sweet Mullet Larry's favorite place to copy and paste from. Not a very reliable source to obtain an accurate CV.
Obama/Biden 2012!
...and with that I'm outta here.
snk,
OMG, even middle schoolers are not allowed to use wikipedia in writing their first reseach paper. They have to find more credible sources.
thanks for the head up.
"Governor Jindal was a Rhodes Scholar "
How do you know that Bob?? Have you seen his college transcripts?? I mean -- what do we actually KNOW about this guy??
Do you know whoe else are Rhodes scholars?
Dr. Rachel Maddow
President Bill Clinton
Andie: How do you know that Rachel and Bill are really Rhoades scholars?...I have never seen their transcripts...have you? and have we ever seen BO's transcripts from Columbia?
All I care about concerning Jindal is what a rotten governor he has been to Louisiana trotting around the country from state to state for every republican fund raiser and right wing backed event the last several years. He has been absent much more than here in the state. Jindal has done nothing worthy in Louisiana. He has recently privatized several state agencies costing hundreds of workers their jobs. His education changes like giving public school money to private schools is one of the most contentious. Several law suits against Jindal education reform have been filed. Republicans really don't care about state workers, teachers, police or fire fighters. They would privatize everything if they could. Jindal has also tried to privatize several state prisons but that has not passed the republican legislature.
Obama was right in one regard. Somewhere in a libs life a tenured teacher got on his liberal soapbox and his less intelligent students accepted the BS notion that a good American work ethic doesn't make a difference. God help you brainless sheep. Turn off the xbox and get off the couch in your parents basement and get a job. Demonstrate a willingness to work, learn a trade and make something of yourself. Next time the unwashed want to "occupy" something send in the national guard to "Kent State" the MFers and let's clean the gene pool. When will msnbc cover the corrupt AG losing his case on letting illegals and dead people vote in the Florida election. Keep getting your "news" from msnbc you liberal crackheads.
"RevSharppain!" OMG! That name-pun is a real knee-slapper. Do you write jokes for Dennis "Some Day I'll Be Funny" Miller?
Obama 2012!
the north is mostly Democrat in lousiana..the reason why jindal.won.they just don't like blacks even if it hurts them in the pocket books..he is close enough not being black
Who would build a business in the middle of a pasture, or a forest, with no roads to allow customers to access that business?
Without the internet, why would Steve Jobs have created Apple and all of the INTERNET gadgets they sell?
When we build roads and bridges and schools, we use taxpayers' money (government). That money goes to contractors (small and large businesses) and inspection firms (businesses) and suppliers of the necessary materials (businesses).
Who paid for a great portion of the research that led to all of the wonder-drugs our people rely on? Government.
All of these businesses employ people, who now have cash to spend at other businesses.
And on and on and on....
To: Butterfly: The GOP extreme right can't think that far. All they believe is what the FOX and the GOP tells them. Obama is business friendly. He just wants them and everyone else to pay a fair tax. It will not hurt the wealthy and if they know how to budget they will hire again. It's the uncertainty that's hurting us. The uncertainty that the GOP is responsible for.
Max,
Thanks.
We must Remember in November!!
Butterfly:
Don't just remember it! We need to vote every GOP incumbent out of office this November! Every single one of them. Every single Grover Stooge that did NOTHING to help this economy the last 3.5 years. And the GOP lies about it!
God, and everyone, I'm mad that the #1 priority of the GOP is to do nothing until they get Obama out of office!
Max, I hate to burst your tiny little bubble but the House has passed numerous bills that Harry Reid is sitting upon. The House has passed at least two budgets that Harry Reid is sitting upon.
Go to the Senate, find Harry Reid, physically "lift up" his bony ass .... and you will magically discover the real problem.
To Jim: The bills you are referring to were passed in the House knowing they had no chance of going anywhere in the Senate for the sole reason to show the GOP extreme right base that they were working on "something".
Those bills and budgets are all show. Talk about busting your bubble my extreme right friend. It was all a ruse.
Jindal proudly thumps his chest and refuses health care for people in his state.
But are he and his family provided health care, paid for by the people of his state?
yep tax tea party money
Yes and that is the pity of the republican thugs like Jindal against the average person in the state of Louisiana having health care and health insurance. Jindal is an embarrassment to Louisiana. He has harmed workers by privatizing state jobs. His latest stunt is to give public school money to private schools and charter schools. I would never have believed the GOP would be assassins of public education and school boards, but that is what they are doing. Nothing different from the GOP in Congress. They do nothing for the good of the country. Their anti-American behavior to deny President Obama another term seems to be why they will do nothing with the President's Jobs Bill, nothing for the economy and nothing for anyone other than the billions in subsidies to oil corporations. Or the billions to the Defense Budget whether they want it or not.
Let's see.. Roads, police protection, fire protection, ports, extensive system of deep water channels, airports, air traffic control, a court system to settle disputes, currency, military protection, trade agreements, support for basic research, education of a workforce, etc. etc.
The fact is most of what the Government does in one way or another supports or is vitally important to commerce. A vibrant private sector is only possible when it is supported by a vibrant public sector. If you don't think so, ask yourself why business isn't flocking to Somalia right now. Low taxes, virtually no regulation, little Government interference in trade. Isn't that the ideal?
yep
Falstaffsmind - Don't forget the hundreds of other government programs like Amtrak Subsidies, General Assistance to District of Columbia, National Endowment for the Arts, Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy, Exchange Programs for Alaska, Natives Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts, and Foreign Aid to Pakistan.
That's exactly what the Obama administration is expressing and look what the GOP has twisted it into. They flat out make things up to their side and lie about it.
Vote every GOP incumbent out of office! Every single one of the Grover stooges!
Obama said
"I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."
He's belittling people's accomplishments. Why are you bringing up programs that benefit all, such as military, courts, and air traffic control? Nobody is denying that the government helps. That's what the government is for. But saying that you're successful solely because of government program, is false. Otherwise, everyone would be just as successful. The truth is, some work harder than others. This FACT is why Obama's speech is, not only wrong, but way out of line.
And Somalia, really? You're having to dig deep if you bring up a country in Civil war to try to make your point? Can't you do better?
To Matt:
You're missing the whole point of what the President said. He said, and I'm putting it my own words, that in order for a person to become successful in the US they need a solid infrastructure around them.
1. Good bridges and roads to drive on.
2. Good teachers to teach you and your employees.
3. A good police force to protect you and your business.
4. A fire department to protect you.
So on and so forth including a solid financial system to fund your business.
Without this support system in place it would make building a business very difficult. All of this infrastructure is provided by the federal and states through taxation. I paid taxes to help build the road you and your company trucks drive on for example. I helped fund the sidewalk you walk on and on that your customers walk to get to your business.
Obama is not "belittling" anyone, you are. He is saying if you build a company and are successful you and everyone get credit for it. It wasn't just you.
Obama has let the proverbial cat out of the bag with his Virginia speech. His has the common attitude of the academic elite who look upon the entrepreneurs as either cheats or individuals blessed with dumb luck and in turn excessive wealth. This attitude comes from the thought process of believing that they are intellectually superior (many times they are "book smarter") and refusing to believe that someone whom they deem to be un-enlightened can be more successful then them. Therefore, they can only conclude that it is their enlightened duty to redistribute the wealth acquired by said successful entrepreneurs who have accidentally acquired more then their "fair share" of the people's money. The only good that comes from this line of thinking is that there is a large group of useful idiots who follow them like sheep and in turn do not even try to compete as they have been brainwashed that is unfair, the fix is in and it can't be done so they pound their fist demanding social justice. Selfishly, I do like this because it eliminates a large swath of individuals who might actually compete with people such as myself, making things a bit easier then they might otherwise be.
calrealist,
So how do you feel about the Defense Budget? What about the defense contractors who are howling to get more of YOUR money?
Shall we spend our money on destroying countries and then rebuilding them? I'm sure that Haliburton is anxious to get even more of YOUR money.
As a Libertarian, I am totally in agreement with you on the defense budget. The US has become an imperialistic country that polices the world and spends/wastes our money doing so. Our sole duty with regards to defense is just that, defense.
See, even we can find common ground from time to time :)
calrealist,
Thank You!
We absolutely CAN find common ground! :)
if there ever was a sniveling dweeb... Bobby Jindal is it
This is from "Think Progress" 7/15/2012.
But if you are Middle class and vote Republican, you fully deserve all of the consequences that come with it.
You deserve to see your wages stagnate while watching the rich get exponentially richer.
You deserve to see your children's schools fail and mediocre infrastructure because those you votes for got funding for that (themselves).
You deserve to see your job shipped overseas and the company who laid you off get rewarded with a tax break for doing so.
One more of many...
You deserve to see half your 401K wiped out when the stock market crashes due to irresponsible decisions Wall Street that were enabled by deregulation.
don't have wages- I own my own businesses
don't believe in public schools
don't have a 401k- don't believe in retirement
don't own any stocks
don't have any debts either
Thanks Larry...Hope you work for 200 years.
And I'm sure Larry doesn't drink water from a public system or drive his car on public roads, either, because to do so would be socialism.
Larry has a very vivid imagination.
Invisible, you just don't get it. Conservatives believe government should provide BASIC services then get out of the way. When government thinks they can run every aspect of people lives and mettles in the everyday running of businesses, both businesses and work end up on the same level. All are POOR. Show me one country where socialism has ever built a first class economy. Socialist have taken over more than a few countries and ruined the economies. But socialism has never built a great economy.
Ray, the US is and always has been a hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Just like a lot of other countries.
Some of the countries have better economies than the US. For instance, Finland jailed the bankers for crashing the economy, forgave the portions of mortgages that were under water over 110% and after the initial shrinking of their economy in 2009, in 2010 and 2011 their economy has grown more than any other on the planet. And yes they are a democracy-capitalistic/socialist-just like ours-but they believe in taking care of their people first!! And what do you know, it actually works.
Jindal's jingoism isn't all that believable...
Willard and his surrogates have been misquoting the President's remarks.
All Americans, entrepreneurs included, enjoy their success due, in part, to the benefits of living in an advanced society with public education and an infrastructure that allows for transportation of people and goods as well as instant communication.
If you don't believe it, try investing or being successful in a place like Afghanistan or Somalia.
typical leftist nonsense- leftists believe everyone wants to be enslaved to the govt with the same worship of Statism that they are brainwashed with
Larry: What planet do you live on? You're trying to be a GOP tea party spokesperson right? But you don't make since. Well, okay, maybe you are making as much as the other extreme right posters.
You notice all these Soros backed robo bloggers never have anything substantila to say. Just call names.
To Ray: Thanks for your input. I personally see most of the name calling from the GOP extreme right. They were and are brutal. Started a couple of months ago and the "other" side just got tired of it and gave it right back.
Just like I'm going to do by telling you you are a Koch/Rove/Grover stooge just like the rest of the extreme right. Don't take it personal.