Only an inept little prick like NitMitt would intentionally take O's statement out of context. Boy, They're really getting desparate!

Obama/Biden 2012

Obama really stepped in it with his gaffe. But he really doesn't know how business works, how could he?

He really showed his Marxist bent with those statements. "The government is all powerful and all great" according to Obama.

No wonder he has killed the economy and business.

Stop Obama's war on American and his war on capitalism!

Stop Obama's war on American and his war on capitalism!

Stop repeating the RWNJ talking points. The President is not against capitalism.

"What a maroon" Bugs Bunny

According to foxnews, Romney would probably not pick himself to be vice president after seeing Romney's tax returns.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/07/11/if-romney-vetted-himself-his-tax-returns-would-ko-shot-at-white-house/?intcmp=obnetwork

Here's what it takes to run as a republican these days:

Pays little rate in taxes - check

Has millions in the Cayman islands - check

Has millions in swiss bank accoutn - check

Has IRA worth $100million when max yearly contribution is $30k (definitely looks like fraud, or a Romney law to make it legal) - check

We got a winner : ROMNEY

I understand what the President was saying however he needs to keep watching Elizabeth Warren's delivery of the very same exact argument. She did it very convincingly and everyone who watches the comment on you tube understands it. Steve Jobs had roads to carry his products to market on, laws that kept others from stealing his ideas, well educated computer geeks to help his dreams come true and customers with incomes to purchase his products. Steve Jobs understood the social contract of being a citizen of the United States that helped him become successful in this country. Mitt Romney and the current GOP does not.

RedSoxRule, give me a break... personal responsibility, really? coming from the repubs? REALLY, are you flipping kidding me???

Two unfunded (off the books wars).

Unpaid for medicare part D

They are OK for un-insured (who can afford it) to use our ERs as clinics.

Un-paid for tax breaks - 1st figure out how to pay for something, or eliminate the services before giving the money back to the masses and then bill the services on your guberment credit card.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

Willard keeps dancing around the issues.

I will not vote for Romney with "blind trust."

Obama 2012

There goes GT with his childish namecalling again. What's the matter GT can't you spell correctly?

Trunde, like most libbys you just try to change the subject because you can't argue the facts.

Sad.

There goes GT with his childish namecalling again. What's the matter GT can't you spell correctly?

Brianb - My favorite little nimrod. How's it goin Dude?

You better worry about your own spell checker "namecalling". Besides, what did I spell wrong.

RedSoxRule,

You keep spouting the word "Marxist". Wonder how you'll feel once Republicans take away your right to free speech. It will be gone when fascism takes over you know. So get yourself ready to clean the toilets of the Kochs, the Waltons and the Adelsons once you are reduced to a non voting pauper. They thank you for your support of their unlimited free speech, through Citizens United, that enabled them to reduce you to a pauper.

They bubble head republicans are full of FAKE OUT RAGE. They know what the President said.

However, as fact many of them among the right wing don't love or even like Willard. They just see him as a possible tool to get rid of that darn black guy that is smarter than them all.

Today in Ohio - ROMNEY: I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business?

Stupid Democrats.... Nothing was out of contexts. In fact if you read the whole thing, its worst. Man Democrats are stupid, really. This is what they think to themselves when there is something wrong with the president. "He is lying and deceiving like that, because he wants to deceive the other side and make it better for the us. " Please wake up....

Did Romney make these comments in front of

a crowd of 99 people?

Actually, Steve Jobs didn't write the code or invent the devices Apple is famous for. Steve Wozniak was the genius behind the actual Apple computers. Jobs was a visionary, like Henry Ford, but no, he didn't create Apple all by himself.

And isn't it weird that Romney focuses on the CEO instead of on the technical innovator in that company? And isn't it weird Romney equates Steve Jobs with Papa John?

a crowd of 99 people?

Don't forget, Team Willard considers a crowd of 500 to be at "over-flow" levels! lmao!

All I know is, the demographics of what they showed was comprised of nothing other than pale & stale!

It sure is werid that Romney, whenever he visits MI, is always taking about trees?

I think the GOTP is already suffering from buyers remorse.

I guess Mr. Romney doesn't realize how stupid it makes him look to interpret the President's remarks about success being a product of a joint contribution as if he is saying the government is responsible for all success. Anyone with any sense knows that is not what was being said. Of course those with good ideas built their companies, but they didn't do it alone.

Red Sox - your error is in interpreting paying taxes as hurting businesses. Would you rather build your business in America or someplace like Somalia where businesses don't pay taxes? American taxes provide amenities and benefits that help businesses to be successful. Without them your life wouldn't be nearly as pleasant as it is now.

“To say what he said is to say that Steve Jobs didn't build Apple Computer or that Bill Gates didn't build Microsoft or that Henry Ford didn't build Ford Motor Company or that Ray Croc didn't build McDonald's or that Papa John's didn't build Papa John's Pizza,” Romney said today

yes they did by coming up with product that people wanted to pay for.

HAs anyone heard of "Thirsty Dog" bottled water for pets? or United States Football League? Cocaine Redux Beverages?

But unless a product is in demand and backed by purchasing power, the business fails.

And no Romney offshoring would ever help these companies. EVER!

At some point the GOP might throw that fish (Romney) back and hope to get a better, less tainted one! I actually feel sorry for the Republicans!

Obama - Hot and ready for 4 more!!

Romney drank Coke. Obama did coke - which is illegal in all 50 states.

Brianb-999431

Romney drank Coke. Obama did coke - which is illegal in all 50 states.

and you know it because President Obama told you about it. Unlike Romney who will not talk about anything.

Romney is a liar and a hypocrite. If he had any balls, he would have shown all of us what he's done in the past.

BTW, I guess President Bush broke laws in all 50 states as well. Not only that, Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record expunged with help from his family’s political connections.

Brianb - and Bush did coke and was a raging alcoholic. Obama "experimented" with coke and it's in his past. You know, how you kinda experimented with intelligence then decided it wasn't for you!

Obama/Biden 2012

Obama has lost jobs for Americans, lost wealth for Americans, but he has enriched and empowered his friends and government employees.

Actually Obama has a net positive jobs record - more people employed now than when he was sworn into office. Most oft he jobs were lost in 2008, under Bush. He's also seen the creation of more private sector jobs, vs government workers, than Bush.

The numbers are there, if you want to research them, rather than making @!$%# up and pretending it's a fact.

I think the context of Obama's statement is obvious to anyone with a brain, and for all that I could say about Mitt Romney, he's not stupid. Then again, he expects us to buy his retroactive retirement.

Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to be outspent by a challenger.

Obama, who four years ago broke just about every fundraising record for a presidential hopeful, has now been forced to look his supporters in the eye and confess he might not keep pace with Republican Mitt Romney. It's a sobering realization for his campaign, which had imagined an unlimited budget for ads, offices and mail.

Looks like Broke Obama isn't as popular as the liberals think he is.

Brianb - well you just can't decide which tangent you want to run with today, can ya? And, neither has anything to do with the topic of this site.

President Obama is not in the nominee stage as Romney is - so not drawing the way a potential candidate does. He will be doing just great after the convention. And, he has all he needs to win!

Obama/Biden 2012

bayllie - let me be the first to tell you. Bush isn't running in this election. I just wanted to make sure you understood that. Repeat after me... Bush... isn't... running... got that so far? Bush.... isn't..... running.....

Feisty -- I bet the reporters outnumbered the supporters. Ha!

Romney you are an inept little wooden puppet.

He is worth $250 mil, im going to assume you are a public employee, lets be honest about who is the more inept in this debate.

Mitt the UnFitt flunked English 101.

trudat - OMG you're stupid! You'll "assume" someone is a public employee. What's that they say about some one assuming and making an ass of themselves. Well, trudat - you're the epitome of that saying!

RedSoxRule

Obama really stepped in it with his gaffe. But he really doesn't know how business works, how could he?

I'm not even going to argue with these brainless quotes... besides, we need to go defend ourselves from the other brainless comments about our Muslim terrorist infiltration of our government.

Are we really such air-heads? Does anyone seriously believe this crap?

Unreal... no... disgusting.

trudat - OMG you're stupid! You'll "assume" someone is a public employee. What's that they say about some one assuming and making an ass of themselves. Well, trudat - you're the epitome of that saying!

Am i wrong? I know now youll say i am, but you didnt previously, im pretty sure im right. Id bet my house that im right, you just come back with pathetic attempts of insults, which just strengthens my beliefs.

Brianb-999431

bayllie - let me be the first to tell you. Bush isn't running in this election

so apparently the coke thing only offends you because it's Obama? And I thought you are supposed to apply the same standards to all presidents/presidential candidates. Silly me!

trudat6445

He is worth $250 mil, im going to assume you are a public employee, lets be honest about who is the more inept in this debate.

Bernie Maddoff was worth $826 million. I wouldn't want him to be a presidential candidate, never mind the president!

This is similar to Michele Bachmann, a political leader repeating conspiracy spewed by Glenn Beck -- Romney is repeating a lie started by FAUX Noise, who edited a speech by the president to take it out of context.

In the past when Romney has done this himself (when the president quoted McCain, Romney made it appear that the president was saying it), Romney laughed with glee saying "what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" or what ever alien language he speaks.

What Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh or FAUX Noise spew takes the country into the gutter enough. But leaders, elected officials like Bachmann or a Party candidate for president -- WTF?!!! Apparently the Teapublican Party has gone completely insane.

Elizabeth Warren has been credited for the original premise that all of us benefit from living in this great nation, so those of us who become successful (like Romney, or Steve Jobs) need to have gratitude, and hopefully pay it forward as well.

Here is what FAUX Noise edited in fuller context:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business — you didn't build that (unbelievable American system). Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia

It's a shame how the rightwing Haters can take an inspiring thought and twist it into something so ugly. And Romney? Obviously he has no core, no leadership, and no gravitas to be POTUS, Commander in Chief, and leader of the free world.

Hey Romney, this is one reason McCain didn't pick you for VP. No one likes you.

Bernie Maddoff was worth $826 million. I wouldn't want him to be a presidential candidate, never mind the president!

Point?

True Patriot -- Here's the kicker. Today Romney is out saying this:

“There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepenuers and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That’s an important thing.”......

Don't expect FOX or Rush to play a clip of Romney saying that or this:

“I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that, Mr. President! This is what’s happening in this country.”

This is hard to distinguish from what Obama himself said in his “controversial” remarks: individual success doesn’t happen in a vacuum; it is also enabled by a smoothly functioning society that is kept running by government. What this confirms is that the radicalism discerned in Obama’s speech by Republicans is a pure invention. Remember, in attacking Obama’s remarks yesterday, Romney went so far as to say that Obama had insulted all Americans everwhere who have ever worked hard to better themselves in life. Romney cast Obama’s remarks as an attack on individual initiative itself. Yet today, Romney only underscored how non-controversial Obama’s remarks really were.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romney-okay-businesses-do-need-government-after-all/2012/07/18/gJQAezDHuW_blog.html?hpid=z3

Once again the" Mitt Witt" proves he might have made it to 8th grade !

It was Steve Jobs himself who said that he stood on the shoulders of pioneers like Hewlett and Packard. Apple re-engineered ideas pioneered at XEROX PARC.

Don't carry it it all, true patriot, great points. This is how political language misinterprets and alters the meaning of original words. This is a great example, right out of a class in communications! It is so glaring. They twisted President Obama's words and did a lousy job of it because of a lack of reading comprehension! I wonder how long Romney rehearsed, studied and thought about that speech and how he came to the conclusion on how to make those exaggerated and completely untrue claims in his speech?

One thing that is really alarming is that this proof presents itself so obviously, Capt Tripps, I am not so sure about this, and I don't care how much money this guy has...you said: "I think the context of Obama's statement is obvious to anyone with a brain," Mitt Romney has just proved to the world by his own behavior, that he has no listening comprehension and no analytical skills! This is a major mistake for Romney to have spoken in front of mass media on the record with what he has tried to glean and claim in a crooked way, ending in blatantly false statements and accusations about President Obama on two counts! 1: factual content, False statements because the jobs stats are better now than they were when President Obama started his term as President. 2: meaning, Misinterpretation of Obama's statements. Specifically, Obama was referring to the bridge and road builders, not the individual entrepreneur.

I would not feel safe with any leader of any project with selective listening and a lack of knowledge like that! This really is a fail, and yes, in the larger context a blatant show to all of his lack of any knowledge of how any civilized society with an economy works, and this from a well-to-do kid born and raised with all the help and advantage right smack dab in the middle of it! Just where did this guy go to school?

I agree with Palm Springs Calif, I had better reading comprehension skills on my public school IQ test results in the 5th grade. Romney is looking more and more un-credible as being qualified for any kind of presidential material each day. These off the wall statements are really getting to be embarrassing for the Republican Party.

The President only said what any truly self-aware person already knows...no man is an island, and you don't get anywhere meaningful without some help from people who come before you and those around you. Living in a modern, industrialized society is also critical to success on the scale that well-off Americans have known.

The FYIGM crowd that Romney represents will never understand that.

Obama is a socialist Marxist, WAKE UP NOW!

Obama is a socialist , ashamed of his country and want to impose the ideas of the radical left. His follower and vitriolic worshipers defend Obama because they all agree ,the Government is the provider the same Government is taking away the individual responsibility, taxing the individuals that don't want to participate in a Government program. For Obama is not the businessman who own the success is the Government , because of that they have to be penalized with higher taxes, they owe their success to the Government. Obama don't understand America and he has to apologise to the world for our success as a country , and is willing to give away our money to the victims of our exeptionalism. The new Democrat party under control of the extreme left want to take away the principals in which this exceptional country was built. Obama do not believe in America, Obama believe in the Government. Obama do not believe that we receive our right from our Creator, Obama believe we receive our rights from the Government and the Government can take those right away. OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST

Oskar no write well.

Why do I get the feeling you'd be one of the first people to tell someone to learn English? It would be funny if it wasn't sad. Also socialist Marxist is redundant. I mean I know you want to stick as many words that you consider insults in there as possible, but you're just making yourself look ignorant. I mean you keep using those words, but I don't think they mean, what YOU think they mean.

Government depends on the private sector for its funding. It always has. Government is really overhead to the economy. Private individuals and private enterprises pay taxes. Government agencies do not pay taxes, they spend our tax dollars. Our President has no sense of budget and he does not seem to understand how the economy works.

Yes Beverly. Actually while he is in the shed he should close his eyes in trust and jump through the hole in the middle of that seat-looking thing. There he belongs.

Actually Capt. Tripps, a socialist Marxist is not redundant, get your facts correct. In fact there are several key differences as a Marxist is not necessarily a socialist. However, most people are not placed on this planet to provide reasonable, logical argument so I will attempt to fill in a small few of those gaps.

First, check out this article: org/wiki/Socialism It's a nifty little page where you can see what words and ideas mean in depth.

Next, read this article from a group of highly revered folks who you could say have "made it" in the world: . com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/01/22/is-president-obama-truly-a-socialist/

Also, you should understand this: The term "Socialist" or even "Communist" has no negative connotation attached to it other than that we express emotional distrust towards the likes of Leninist Russia or parts of Europe. Barack Obama is by definition a socialist. It's just a term.

Now, in my opinion (and that of a group of gentlemen called the Founding Fathers), it is not a term upon which this nation was built. Rather, this nation was built upon free-enterprise and the possibility for men to achieve their highest personal ends through labor and personal drive.

So before you come to "troll" on message boards where at least a few people are gathered to share knowledgeable and researched ideas and statements, you should examine your logic and bite off what you might say next before it bites you in the backside.

trudat6445

Point?

my response was based on your previous post:

He is worth $250 mil, im going to assume you are a public employee, lets be honest about who is the more inept in this debate.

in which you measure someone's worth by their bank account balance, and not the person that they are. So since Maddoff was worth 3x more than Romney, in your eyes, Maddoff would be even more competent to be a Republican presidential candidate.

Like I said, the FYIGM crowd will never understand that our society is interconnected and even the term "self made man" is only relative to the success of society as a whole.

Think I'm wrong? Think that makes me a Socialist or Communist? Then you just don't get it. Which would you prefer, to be the richest person in the United States, or the richest person in Zimbabwe?

Actually concerned, by calling him a Marxist you are, by definition, calling him a socialist. Socialism being the economic theory advocated by Karl Marx. It's not trolling to point out someone trying to denigrate the President by associating him with either of those ideals in a negative fashion. Sorry, but I call bull@!$%# when I see it as I see it, and someone using those terms the ay the poster I responded to did is clearly ignorant of their actual meanings. Perhaps you should direct the history lesson at him, I already know this stuff. Somehow I imagine the nuance would be lost.

I would make the argument that the free enterprise of our forefathers was a great success if you happened to own a business or land, and a vast failure if you were of the working class, a woman, a child, definitely an immigrant, etc.

The ideas of the Founders are not above rethinking and improving. We've done relatively well in that respect, IMO.

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Romney you are an inept little wooden puppet. Your nose is growing longer. Go back to the woodshed and let the Koch puppeteers adjust your strings. While you're there see if theKoch masters can fix wild eyed Michelle Bachman STRINGS TOO; LIAR.

This is pure partisan rhetoric with ZERO substance and a perfect example of what is wrong with the democratic party and far right republicans also. Keep up the good work for your party with your line towing garbage. Spewing HATRED and vile adjectives sure makes you look SMART, for a democrat that is.

It is democrats like you that lower Obama's chance for re-election.

United we stand, divided we fall.. great job at being the queen of dividing America, like the current president.

"United we stand, divided we fall."

Actually, exactly the president's point from the same speech that people are selectively editing.

AConcernedCitizen1 -- We are all socialists, especially seniors on Social Security and Medicare. Aside from our nation being a hybrid from early on, unlike communism (as practiced), socialism is not exclusive from capitalism. Thus the hybrid in which the US is best of breed with both.

The reason the rightwing loves to muddy these terms, for example "European" and now Romney repeating "foreign" is to try to paint the president as something "Other." It all gets back to racism and lies about his religion and plain bigotry. The Republican Party has always been a sanctuary for bigots, so sad.

Let's talk about "Other." Stephen Colbert pointed out something interesting -- that Nevada (for example) is trying to remove the option of "None of the above" from the ballot before the 2012 presidential election. Why? Because Romney IS "None of the above" and doesn't want to compete with the actual "None of the above" option.

So ask yourselves, what's worse? Being 'Other" or being "None of the above" and it becomes clear why Teapublicans are SO desperate to paint the president as "Other."

The fact remains Obama never said Jobs did not build Apple. The president's comments are a reference to the infrastructure that businesses rely on more than the average American does. Something that we all pay for being used to fatten the wallets and bank accounts of a select few.

GT, Fiesty,

I'd be angry at Romney, too, if he told me I had to get a job or lose my welfare.

savant: especially in a time when the greed and incompetence of bankers and CEOs has reduced the economy to the point where the "real" unemployment rate is nearly 1/5, where those who are seeking work dramatically outnumber the jobs available. Let's reduce working people to even deeper poverty and misery! After all, they caused the mess we're in. /sarc/

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

*waves to Bev*

Dayum it's hot here...

Hey, GF

I know I was out early this morning. I'm hoping all the climate deniers like the old fossils ( Koch bros) dry up and become extinct in this heat; sooner or later!!!

I'm glad to see that the real "Feisty" is back. That fake Feisty was a real @!$%#....

Tyler: NoLimitSoldier50 banned, rereg of IntheMiddle, TX

GT-2021701

Only an inept little prick like NitMitt would intentionally take O's statement out of context. Boy, They're really getting desparate!

Yes, the Koch brothers are.

Obama/Biden 2012

Tyler: NoLimitSoldier50 banned, rereg of IntheMiddle, TX

HAHAHAHAHA!

Little guy just can't help himself... can he?

Sooner or later the right wing cheaters get busted!

Hi Feisty,

That fake one has been stalking and lurking around.

Dennis,

Tyler: NoLimitSoldier50 banned, rereg of IntheMiddle, TX

What did he say to get banned?

He was banned for being a re-registered user.

He was banned as InThe Middle TX a couple monts ago.

It is a violation of the user agreement we all agree to when we join to re-register if we get banned.

That fake one has been stalking and lurking around.

I'm trying to figure out if the fake Feisty James in Seattle actually believes he's bothering me? lol

Kind of entertaining watching him make a complete @!$%# out of himself while having a very public melt-down!

In a perverse kind of way... of course! ;o)

That fake one has been stalking and lurking around.

Hey Feisty - Can't they kick him off FR for pulling that stunt?

Dennis,

Thanks for the information.

Feisty,

How do you know its James in Seattle?

Romney isn't just taking President Obama's words out of context, he's totally changing what was said in it's entirety. But, it shows the desperation and lack of character that most of us know is pure Romney. Nothing to sell so he lies and thinks we'll overlook his shallowness!

Romney is beyond stupid!

Obama/Biden 2012

I don't know if he's bothering you but my lord "it" posts ALOT and gives me a headache! Haven't seen him on this thread yet so maybe he's been given a kick in the butt .....

I have noticed today that not many of the right are out defending the idiots they voted for . . . .

thetotas,

Feisty Redhead Roselle, FU banned, rereg of JamesInSeattle.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/18/12811626-fbi-raids-home-of-new-jersey-capitals-mayor?last=1342630484&threadId=3521576&sp=0&pc=25&__utma=154396583.195989123.1341452990.1342613008.1342616103.78&__utmb=154396583.391.10.1342616103&__utmc=154396583&__utmx=-&__utmz=154396583.1342608982.76.11.utmcsr=hp-desktop.us.msn.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmctr=meet%20the%20press|utmcct=/&__utmv=154396583.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc%7Cpolitics%7Cfirstread=1^12=Landing%20Content=Original=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=firstread.msnbc.msn.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Original=1&__utmk=40504930#c68084567

I have noticed today that not many of the right are out defending the idiots they voted for . . . .

Me too!

Instead we get rabid little rats playing "dress-up"!

How do you know its James in Seattle?

Just check out his writing style, comment spamming & mis-spelled profanity!

Can't they kick him off FR for pulling that stunt?

GT - I have no idea, with the way things are being run at Newsvine these days...

Who the hell is "James in Seattle" anyway? He's not a regular on FR. Not that you could tell by his comments...

Does Obama think Steve Jobs didn't build Apple?

Jobs borrowed money from people to build his business. There's nothing wrong with that either. Obama is just making it clear that without other people helping out other people, they never would have been successful.

Papa John borrowed money, A lot of big business we have today borrowed money to get their jump start, and their parents, teachers and many others helped them along the way. If they didn't get the break with people helping them, then they would probably be flipping burgers for a living today.

Papa John went to school at the cost of taxpayers as well as Steve Jobs and many other rich people that snub their noses in the air today at the system and the people.

Apple fled to China so he could pay slave wages to the people there and not pay taxes here in America. This is a problem we have in America, and Robme is a big part of this problem.

If any company that flees America to skip out on paying taxes here, they should be made to still pay taxes whether they have a business in china or America. This way, businesses will remain here in America.

This is one reason why Robem has a home in Mexico. slave wages, zero taxes, and most likely involved in the drug-trade.

That's why he doesn't want to show his tax forms. He has more money than he can account for that won't match on his taxes.

The man is SLEAZE!

Obama 2012

Who the hell is "James in Seattle" anyway?

The little twerp is a serial re-regger!

He's been banned dozens of times...

Feisty - so he's a serial re-regger and dumb to boot! Clearly a Republican!

Obama is telling his life story with this speech. He didn't get where he is because he is especially smart, that's why he won't release his college grades. He didn't
work particularly hard to get where he is, and he still doesn't, mainly going
to fundraisers and playing golf, and letting Congress write the bills. He knows
he is successful because others did things for him. Affirmative admissions got
him into college and law school, Bill Ayers wrote his book for him, Reid and
Pelosi wrote Obamacare and strongarmed Congress critters to vote for it. Obama
simply assumes HIS life story is true about everyone, but it's not....

gide:

why he won't release his college grades

Um, just fyi, NO president in history has released his college grades.

gideb114: You remind me a little of Bachman, do you have the same developmental disorder? You know, the kids that smile and get the glassy eyes when you tell them something they do not want to believe and then they just stand there seeing their dream and not the reality...and if they are in danger you must physically remove them because they will not budge.

"President Obama graduated from Columbia University and received his law degree from Harvard Law School. Obama previously served in the Illinois state Senate and was an instructor at the University of Chicago Law School."

Google this: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

Obviously he had to pass a few exams now, didn't he. Sheesh!!!

If your jealous of rich people who started with nothing and became wealthy, don't worry. You will be a lazy loser after the socialist marxist takeover of America. In fact I am willing to bet that your standard of living will continue to decrease under this president.

You don't see the irony, do you? A man who pulled himself up from the very bottom to become a college professor, millionaire, and President of the United States is painted as a "Socialist." Do you REALLY believe he doesn't share the American dream when he embodies it?

thread completely derailed by peoples forums egos...

same people and you know who you are...

the word is pathetic...

Steve jobs was a narcissistic man with a major ego full of greed and nothing more

John B,

Do you REALLY believe he doesn't share the American dream when he embodies it?

Yes, everything he says is contrary to the American dream. Did you even listen to the Presidents speech over the weekend? Obama thinks that there can only be innovation and success with the approval and guidance of the government. Obama has NEVER worked in a for profit business and doesn't know the first thing about what it takes to start and run a small business.

What? Will all of America just be on the take from the fed and live happy lives as college Professors?

GOP/TP concept of "job-makers" totally bogus, Obama correct even the way the right wing paints him. Without infrastructure, even the most creative entrepreneur would be stymied. The republicans seem to think wealth creation can take place in a vacuum. They also think life is the children's game of "King on the Hill" where you win by keeping everybody else down, a pathetic world view if there ever was one.

wje37fcsm,

They have roads and bridges in North Korea too, however the people are starving and cannot even leave the country. The idea that only government can create "good jobs" is a pathetic world view

"If your jealous of rich people who started with nothing and became wealthy"

If I were, I'd be jealous of Obama, and not Romney, right?

DrDr,

Obama is a hypocrite on every level, that is the point. He panders to the weak minded by spewing his rhetoric all the while taking campaign contributions from the wealthy.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Mine is different, and see, I don't even have to name-call to say so.

BTW, Obama's donations come 43% from small donors and 58% from large donors. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?id=N00009638

Romney's donations come 13% from small donors and 87% from large donors. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/candidate.php?id=N00000286

Fisty must have bought it with the unemployment benefits she is sucking from my wallet.

Your welcome Fisty. Now please vote for Romney so you can get a job and stop draining my wallet.

I do. Do you drive any Ford products? Yep that's right they have many foreign made components and yes some are made in China. Shocking I know.

Yes devie, do you happen to know any complete product offering that doesn't have a foreign made piece as a part of their product offering? GM has several products made with foreign parts.

But at least Ford stayed the course and didn't buy into the Obama controls. Ford isn't in debt to the taxpayers, are they? Yep, unlike GM, they don't owe the taxpayers billions of $, do they?

Use any Apple products there Feisty?

NOPE!

Not a one!

And I don't shop at Wal-Mart either...

When given a choice, I always chose Made in the USA!

It's so funny that anyone that disagrees with the right wing, according to them, doesn't have a job. That means that those 68,000,000 voters that voted for Obama don't have jobs.

I wonder how that explains that in my city, Obama polls at 64%, favorable, and the unemployment rate is 6.1 percent?

I dont shop at Wal-Mart, but for different reasons and I have the 27" iMac and I love, love, love, it!

I have the 27" iMac and I love, love, love, it!

Well goodee for you!

Nice to see you supporting the American economy...

RedSox - you talk about unemployment so much you must be unemployed. Those of us who are employed don't usually dwell on calling others unemployed. However, we often work to help them find employment!

Feisty,

I do my fair share.

But at least Ford stayed the course and didn't buy into the Obama controls. Ford isn't in debt to the taxpayers, are they?

Ford got lucky. Period. They hocked everything they had, including the Blue Oval, just before the bottom dropped out of the economy. The FOMOCO Board also finally came to their senses and hired Mulally. So don't think they weren't in trouble they were long before the economy crashed.

Say , you buy American? What products today are source, manufactured and sold in the US? Own a GM or a Ford or whatever car, and are all parts US made?

Are all those parts in your computer American made?

I would doubt it that you only buy American.

Fisty must have bought it with the unemployment benefits she is sucking from my wallet.

Redsux - Poor baby! Did Feisty suck all the food stamps out of your wallet?

I would doubt it that you only buy American.

Try reading what I wrote next time before you spew your crap will ya?

When given a choice, I always chose Made in the USA!

You were supposedly a CEO and you don't know the definition of choice?

Get lost!

You're a waste of my time!

With the amount of time Feisty spends on this site. It's more than apparent who is wasting her time.

Feisty, most of your time on this forum is spent trying to spin some kind of satire and spewing one liners instead of holding an intellectual debate. I am sure you have some good thoughts on what is happening in this country. However it seems like this is more of a game to you. Instead of a chance to learn and maybe teach people something.

You have built up a little mob following that seems to be only comfortable discussing things together and making sure you all "get votes".

It's too bad, the best thing about this country is our ability to say what we want, and learn from different view points. Instead most people think they know it all and belittle each other instead.

Bobby - and what do you think of the Republicans who post on this site? Clearly you have no problem with them. Doesn't that tell you anything? Can you say "hypocrite?" Do you understand the meaning? Should we explain it to you?

You're of the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Doesn't play here! Don't hand it out if you can't take it and don't call the kettle black when you represent the darkest pot in the stack!

You have built up a little mob following that seems to be only comfortable discussing things together and making sure you all "get votes".

Bitter party of one... your table is ready? lol

Geeze! Jealous much?

See, there it is.

First one assumes I favor the republican idiots on this site. (not all democrats and republicans are idiots) Completely disregarding the fact I never mentioned any political affiliation in the first place.

Then the other comes out of the woodwork once her mob starts responding. With more garbage instead of discussing the issue at hand.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs on this site.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs on this site.

I must of missed the part where someone died and left YOU in charge as the moderator... boob!

All one has to do is check your comment history to see YOU are full of @!$%#!

Oh *Snap* That was a good one!

Bitter party of one... your table is ready? lol

Still laughing!!!!!

Who is trying to play moderator? Sorry if you can't handle an honest and accurate observation of your habitual tendencies.

Like I said I am sure you have some good points, however you have no idea how to present them in an objective and constructive manner. Instead you have a penchant for the role of high school cheerleader captain.

This is merely constructive criticism. If you stopped the role of rabble rouser more people may take you seriously.

This is merely constructive criticism. If you stopped the role of rabble rouser more people may take you seriously.

Get back to me when you have figured out WHO it was that framed the Constitution...

Until then... you are on ignore!

Are we clear?

Feisty,

It's easy to act the way you do. That's why you take the low road all the time.

Bobby Jones, if you are new please read the rules. Why don't you stop with the personal character assassination and get to the topic of this article? You are an irritation to those who are interested in the topic and against the code of honor here.

Bobby Jones Bia -

That was a logical, well reasoned attempt to promote a civil dialogue.

Why did you fail?

They are willfully ignorant. They do not wish for the truth.

Instead they stroke each other here in an ever shrinking pond.

Any attempt at reasonable discourse, and they attempt to drive the intruding logic and reason away.

Like hornets, mindless, blind, hating, they swarm forth and attack.

When you state a thing, they say "prove it!"......

Even though somebody else proved it to them an hour ago on a different thread.

I show them that the Bush budget never passed, and instead a continuing appropriations act was passed by the democrats....

An hour later they are screaming about the 09 Bush budget on a different thread.

They lack intellectual honesty, with others, and what's worse, with themselves.

All of this is facilitaded by Feisty gangleader's close close ties to this website. The inmate runs the asylum.

Any hint of a code of honor violation from a conservative poster, and the banhammer falls.

Meanwhile any so called "liberals" are free to be as nasty, as personal, and as offensive as they like, with no repercussions. Ever.

You seem intelligent, and you are obviously new here. I admire your candor, and your restraint.

For what it's worth..... Welcome to First Read.

Alil & Bobby, very well said. I've only been on this site a few times, and definitely noticed the trend. Intellegent discourse is sadly lacking on this site. If you disparage this current administration, or any component thereof, you will be jumped on with the ferver of a school of piranhas! Hungry ones at that. Keep up the good work, and any attempt to elevate the discussion from one-liners, and socioeconomic attacks, is a good one.

Alil,

Thanks, some of their behavior is abhorrent and outright ignorant. Some seem to read what is not on the screen and bring some sort of political affiliation into a discussion that was never mentioned.

Oh well we all deal with people like this on a daily basis and is nothing new. It's funny how one person thinks accurate observation of immature behavior is somehow a personal attack.

There are some people on this site that we can have rational discussions with. Wasting time in an internet chat room seems like a game to some people.

Alil, NPC,

Not sure if either of you are familiar with the Olbermann chat room that existed years ago on MSN. This type of behavior is precisely the thing that got that site shut down.

You have built up a little mob following that seems to be only comfortable discussing things together and making sure you all "get votes".

This is what you consider civil discourse?

Really?

Right out of the gate you launch a personal attack AT me and expect some kind of polite discussion...

You're newfound friend AliBaba is right... you have to be a newbie!

Funniest thing about you is, although, trying to frame yourself 'above it all' you are exhibiting the very same thing you accuse others of...

You're dismissed!

Oh yeah, then there is the copy and paste ritual in an attempt to summarize an entire post with one small piece. An observation by the way which is in no way a personal attack.

I am above nothing and have admitted to childish behavior in the past.(when in Rome) However I don't make it an everyday thing and look for opposing view points. That's how we learn and understand each other.

Feisty put me back on ignore, you can't handle opposing view points or simple observations.

The only way to comment on these threads is to put certain people on ignore. Generally the nasty, repeat offenders, those who only spout the same rhetoric over and over get ignored. One gets tired of reading the same predictable tripe. I, too, am grateful for the ignore button and am certain that many have me on ignore. Saves time reading and responding.

Looking for opposing view points in order to enhance communication only works if those of the opposing view are capable of intelligent discourse. When they devolve to 'my politics are better than yours' you realize further attempts at communication are a waste of time.

Interesting thought, if the real aim is to win someone over to your way of thinking, the last thing you would do is insult them. Guess the end objective isn't winning people over, rather, it's creating an echo chamber.

Note that 'dismissive' attitude? Speaks volumes. A 'queen' in her own mind. Little arrogance there? Little? Nope, great wads of self-importance and arrogance. Her majesty, the queen of her tiny little fiefdom, surrounded by slathering sycophants, nothing much to say except that her way or the highway reigns supreme. Rather pathetic.

Great Post at #3.24 by Alil Common Sense !

Whatever happened to "Liberals" anyways?

Remember "Question Authority"???

Remember "Make Love Not War"????

I liked those Liberals. I miss them.

I'll take "Stupid Base" for 100, Alex...

Agreed!

Romney thinks so little of them, and questions their intelligence with crap like this

There's a sucker born every minute. Too bad they all reside in the GOTP.

Apologies for some duplication in this comment. I posted earlier and as a stand alone at the bottom but it never appeared so I rewrote and now its up here and the original is below?!!! Gremlins.

Shoot, Mitt Romney's been running for President for 6 or 7 years and this is the best he can do? For one thing Mitt is lying and he knows he is lying. Beyond that reality, this was a poor example to use, there, Willard. Steve Jobs outsourced jobs to China where workers were paid little, were forced to work outrageous hours for pennies while he and his company made millions. Apple is a good product but it is once again an example of greed exploiting and having little regard for humanity.

Where are your tax returns, Mr. Mitt? Explain your "retroactive retirement" Mr. Mitt. Explain the Olympics and why your excellent management skills required a bailout from the taxpayers; then explain why your wealthy friends managed to make a profit but the taxpayers only got the bill.

We have to remember it is rare that this Nation has ever had a successful business man serve as President

Look at the records of business men such Hoover and Bush that were big failures, which crippled the Nation.

Job1,

Look at how America was founded. It was business men that formed and created what is good about this country. Modern day career politicians ruined it.

Are you kidding me? It was attorneys, (32 of the 55 framers were attorneys) and farmers that built this country. Jefferson warned and hoped that they would strangle off the corporate influences (paraphrasing) "that were bidding defiance to our laws."

You don't think farmers are business men?

Plantation owners, farmers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, shippers and inventors made up our founding fathers.

They were not career politicians looking to make a living trying to convince people what they needed. They set up a system where people were free to choose a path and have an opportunity.

A far cry from what modern day politicians goals are.

I remember when Mitt Romney said something like:

I'm not worried about the poor, we have a safety net in place for them. I'm not worried about the rich because they're doing fine. It's the middle class I'm worried about.

I guess none of the response to that took anything out of context.

However, there is a underlying tone in what President Hussein Obama said about government being the reason for a man's success. It scares the bajeebies out of me thinking of how he will change this country if given four more years.

Seriously, are there any liberal democrats out there who can see that we really do need to get this guy out of the White House?

Sorry, Bobby, but you are wrong. The biggest percentage of the Framers were Attorneys, and since they had just fought a war started because of a corporate monopoly, they weren't fond of corporations right about then. American was an agrarian society.

As to the rest of your post about the Founders creating a society whereby people could choose their own path, did that include the slaves?

Quit romanticizing and stick to facts.

By the way: Jefferson spent a good part of his time trying to convince people that education should be public and free through college, for those that could prove that they could learn. Does that match what you believe about the Founders not trying to convince people what they needed?

Way too clean this little trolls clock... NDD!

I'm always impressed by your accurate knowledge of American History!

Thanks, Feisty, but his point to you is totally lost on me. What I wonder is this: If he is bothered by what you write, why not use the ignore function? He posted about the Founding of this country. Well, free speech was a big part of what this country was founded on. But, Bobby, if you come back and read this, you ALSO have the right to not read what Feisty says...so why don't you do that?

Where am I wrong? Were the founding fathers not what I described? I understand a large percent were lawyers. They were all in some field of business. Were all the founding fathers not wealthy in some sort of business. Granted there were few self made men, they were still all business men.

They were not politicians by today's standards. By pushing for the opportunity for people to get an education how is that not giving people an opportunity to learn? It's not like they were out to mandate every single person attended college. As you stated it was an agrarian society, education in other fields was not the goal of everyone.

Slavery was a normal way of life back then and not everyone agreed with the concept. I am sure you know about the civil war.

The entire bases of our constitution was to give people rights they didn't have under British rule. There is no romanticising involved here. These are all simple facts.

Feisty's problem is she sees everything as some sort of fight and can't handle a post from someone who will challenge her childish behavior.

I can have a civil conversation with anyone and be respectful. There is a difference, and who is it that can't handle reading other people's views? Since her and your solution is to simply ignore people?

Oh, Bobby, you are having such trouble following what happened then. They were indeed politicians. One only has to read both the Federalist and Anti Federalist papers to see how entrenched their politics were. They had, as goals, to get other Americans to join in with their beliefs, just like the politicians of this day.

Quoting you: "they set up a system where people were free to choose a path and have an opportunity". No they didn't. Were women given that opportunity? Indentured servants, who were mostly white, slaves? And don't hand me the rot that "slavery was a normal way of life.." I just don't think the slaves, or their descendants would agree with you.

Jefferson in particular worried about two things the rest of his life, after the War. One, that the religious would become way to influential in the leadership of this nation, and two, that corporations would do the same. And God bless the "teabaggers" they in their naivete and stupidity are causing both those things to happen.

Now, go and read about the East India Tea Company and its role in the Revolution.

Why did I posit you should ignore Feisty? Clearly her posts are disturbing to you. And you don't seem to handle reading her views at all well. You may find that you are less disturbed if you simply do not read them. Otherwise, you do sound as though you are trying to control what she posts. Just....constructive criticism and all that.

You have a very good point in that first paragraph, I honestly do appreciate that comment.

They did set up a system that gave more rights and liberty than was previously allowed during the colonial days. Yes women and slaves were oppressed. However as much as people would like to pretend it wasn't "normal" it indeed was during the times. Human rights has been a constant struggle since the dawn of "civilization".

Jefferson was right and I do see religion and corporate control of government as a severe detriment to the good of a nation.

As far as feisty's posts. They honestly do not bother me on a content level, and wouldn't want to control what she says. It's the childish and antagonistic way she portrays herself. It is a severe detriment to constructive conversation that could and sometimes does happen on this site.

I am not saying I have not been guilty of it, or that everyone at some point has been. However for her it's a constant everyday behavior.

Then let's leave it at that, Bobby and part company knowing that we had a good conversation.

I would give you a different way to think about Feisty's posts, and I hope you consider this. She brings some excitement and interest to this site. I rather imagine that there are people that started reading her posts, agree or disagree, and eventually stepped in and started commenting themselves. I can't write like Feisty does and I enjoy her posts for the humor that they bring. But she also posts some very serious things in the morning that are fact filled and that you might really enjoy.

I'm sure we will chat another day.

Have a good night. Thanks for your thoughts.

You too, Bobby.

Romney trying to change subject?

I know I would if I was him. He is getting punched in the face with the truth right now and it appears to working. Just look at how fast he is running away from the issues about his past.

When does the "State of our economy" become the subject ?

Oh, I forget .... the libbies want to change the discussion to anything and everything EXCEPT FOR the economy. Ask them why the Obama administration has never had a budget passed and they will run and hide. Obama's budget proposal's have never received the first vote of support .... even from his own party !

We do know that Willard is full of POOP!

Great comeback! Does George Soros pay you by the word?

"Obama's speech in Roanoke reflected his contempt for successful people..."

No, it didn't. Stop exaggerating. If your argument is that weak, then find a better argument. It does not help your cause one bit by repeating shameless lies from Limbaugh and FOX.

Bob, even YOU should admit Romney is just out and out lying. There is NO excuse and NO explanation of this stupidity. But, when you have no conscience I guess you have to step in the gutter. That's all Romney is doing but it's how he's spent his life - in the gutter trying to convince everyone he's something special instead of the lying piece of garbage he is showing us every day!

Obama/Biden 2012

Obama is telling
his life story with this speech. He didn't get where he is because he is
especially smart, that's why he won't release his college grades. He didn't
work particularly hard to get where he is, and he still doesn't, mainly going
to fundraisers and playing golf, and letting Congress write the bills. He knows
he is successful because others did things for him. Affirmative admissions got
him into college and law school, Bill Ayers wrote his book for him, Reid and
Pelosi wrote Obamacare and strongarmed Congress critters to vote for it. Obama
simply assumes HIS life story is true about everyone, but it's not....

LOL... you GOPteabagnuts are still trying to defend the dunce wooden Romney. Don't you have something better to do with your time?

Lori57

LOL... you GOPteabagnuts are still trying to defend the dunce wooden Romney. Don't you have something better to do with your time?

Kettle calling the pot black I see... and completely trolling, with zero substance, is clearly evident.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

Oh, Mittens! All those dog whistles to the fringe right wing! And you think we will forget that you stole jobs from hardworking Americans, sent them overseas, all so you and your buddies could take a picture together waving lots and lots of money! By the way, where the heck are those tax returns? Or do you and Annie think the little people have a lot of nerve questioning the great "I AM."?

newday,

No,they are counting on the GOPher media to spin the supidity wheel for them.

And the GOP media will do exactly that, Beverly!

newday, what GOP media are you referring to? NBC? CBS? Maybe ABC? No, I thought not. And it strikes me as odd that although Fox News is consistently raked across the coals by every liberal on this thread, their ratings tell a very different story. More and more people are tuning in to Fox News simply due to the fact that the stories DON'T have a liberal spin to them, as opposed to the other news outlets. And as for the ratings? Nearly 2:1 to their nearest competitor, NBC. That should tell you something, unless you're a progressive liberal...

Just like a Conservative to want it both ways...there isn't any Conservative news, but Fox News gets better ratings than the 3 major networks. The Daily Show gets better ratings than Fox News, so there goes your argument that there's some overwhelming thirst for the particular brand of propaganda offered by Fox.

I also like the way Conservatism are gifted at Doublespeak, constantly seeking to define the language in a way that makes their conclusion the only one deemed appropriate. Fox News doesn't "not have a liberal spin", they are active propagandists for the Conservative Movement and GOPTP. That's a very different thing than what you said.

I'm beginning to think it's an insult to conservatives to identify them with the current GOP "statesmen"!

"Fox News doesn't "not have a liberal spin", they are active propagandists for the Conservative Movement and GOPTP. That's a very different thing than what you said." So basically, you're singeling out the ONE network that doesn't kow-tow to the almight bho. Well, that was a pretty good way to deflect, and dance around the issue. But, it you take your political cues from a comedian, that speaks volumes. I think my Great-great uncle (who was a staunch Democrat...) put it best, "Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke." Will Rogers.

And what's your evidence that all other news media "kow-tow to the almight bho" other than Rush told you?

Oh, and I don't take my political cues from The Daily Show. In fact I don't normally watch the show. I just pointed out that more people watch Jon Stewart than Fox News.

Other than there is no issue...you just continue trying to define the terms of debate...which is what I pointed out in the first place.

Sounds to me like he's working from bho's playbook.

Talk - see that post just shows you have absolutely no knowledge of anything and really don't want to learn anything. You are totally out of touch with reality.

So sad you continue to be so misguided and gullible!

Obama/Biden 2012

Sad to think that people that this idiot Rompey seriously. It's kind of scary that there are people in the country that are so DUH!

"It's kind of scary that there are people in the country that are so DUH!". Well Lori, they did vote in a Jr. Senator from Illinios for the most powerful position on Earth. I know! Scary!

What you're going to see in Romney's tax returns is that, while we took 40% hits to our 401Ks, he made HUGE profits. It's called wealth redistribution - from the bottom up! Romney didn't need to go through a reform of the tax code to achieve it either - just directly through market manipulation.

No doubt Steve Jobs would agree with our President, he didn't build Apple all by himself; someone during his life gave him the opportunity to build his idea into a huge success.

And would the President agree with Steve Jobs decision to manufacture his products overseas? Of course it is documented that Steve Jobs was critical of the President's attitude towards business and of the teachers's union. When Romney says he knows how business creates jobs you ever think he may be referring to the regulations that caused Jobs to manufacture overseas.

The Huffington Post acquired a copy of Walter Isaacson’s biography about Jobs before its formal release and disclosed some of the more sensational disclosures in the book.

Among them was a blunt warning to President Obama.

"’You're headed for a one-term presidency,’ he told President Obama at the start of a meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where ‘regulations and unnecessary costs’ make it difficult for them.”

Jobs also criticized American education:

“The system was ‘crippled by union work rules,’ noted Isaacson. ‘Until the teachers' unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform.’ Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.”

We have to remember it is rare that this Nation has ever had a successful business man serve as President

Look at the records of business men such Hoover and Bush that were big failures, which crippled the Nation.

They all owe Government? Geez, McD, that's stretching what President Obama said a long way from the truth.

This country is a mix of public and private. The public supports the private and vice versa (at least the private used to help support the public). Now the private just thinks the public should go away. The private asks for big tax breaks from cities, states; they ask for incentives to build and they expect the taxpayer to pony up just so they'll grace a town with their business. Mitt Romney is a perfect example of wanting a lot from the tax-paying public but not being willing to pony up his share so he hides millions off-shore.

Where are your tax returns Mitt Romney? According to a new poll, 74% of the people believe they are pertinent to the bid for president.

"But Obama was referring ONLY to Government as the 'help'. " Bob, that may be your interpretation, but it is only your opinion. My interpretation is that he was saying that many people contribute to the success of any individual. What makes your interpretation any more valid than mine?

Heartlight - clearly Bob thinks his is the only valid anything. Your interpretation actually makes sense - so Bob will run in the opposite direction. Stupidity is all he's got!

I don't know why people can't seem to grasp the fact that Government wouldn't exist without the PEOPLE. The government survives because people in the country have thrived and paid taxes.

The government does nothing without the people. This is the problem with modern day politics. People have been fooled into thinking government can solve your problems, when in reality they cause most of our problems with horrible legislation and theft of American taxpayer money.

Anything that was ever good in this country has been ruined by politicians.

Job1 - Obama is the first community organizer to be President and based on his record he will probably be the last.

Bobby your right but Obama voters are use to the government being their baby daddy without the government they don't get a check for them the government does provide everything.

"But Obama was referring ONLY to Government as the 'help'."

No, he actually used teachers as an example. Or are they "Government" also? Overreach.

Maybe the government built his garage.

So what? It is the truth or do you think Apple isn't one of the most successful, modern companies. He started in a garage, also the truth, but his parents helped him, now didn't they?

Even for you McD, it's pretty pathetic to dig up comments made out of respect for the family when someone dies.

[Maybe the government built his garage.]

C'mon Alan...you're a lot smarter than that, right? I've read your posts, and you happen to be the brightest bulb in the bunch...a little misguided, but bright nonetheless. So explain why you would want to "wind the rubber band" on this one? Maybe to continue the discourse, perhaps?

You know exactly what President Obama meant. Read the entire transcript of the speech:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia

Here's the context, with pre- and post paragraphs:

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies
could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our
individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

This can be found approximately 3/4 down the page.

Romney knows damned well what the president ws saying, but he's capitalizing on the ignorance of his base, and deflecting from the HUGE issues he has within his own campaign.

So explain why you would want to "wind the rubber band" on this one?

He reeks of desperation... just like the rest of them these days!

C'mon Alan...you're a lot smarter than that, right? I've read your posts, and you happen to be the brightest bulb in the bunch...a little misguided, but bright nonetheless.

I'll give you that! They are few & far between...

Alan happens to be one who hasn't crossed over to bat-@!$%# crazy land... yet...

Plus, his wife tells me, he's hot in his kilt!

[Plus, his wife tells me, he's hot in his kilt!]

TMI! TMI!!! ;)

Excellent post, B. Honest!

B.Honest, ditto what Layton said. It is true, Romney does not understand that no one cares how much money he has but we do care the harm he has caused so many in his quest to gather more wealth. And we do care that he thinks so little of the country that made his success possible that he stashes millions off-shore to avoid paying taxes.

I think Romney believes he is entitled and no one, not even President Obama's campaign should dare question him let alone criticize him. Romney really is that arrogant.

Romney doesn't understand the difference between an architect and a carpenter

Sure he does. Without the architect's vision and dream, the carpenter would not have a job. The architect lays out the plans showing the carpenter exactly what to do and where to do it. The carpenter gets paid to do the wishes of the designer.

Architect - Visionary and business and job creator

Carpenter - beneficiary of the vision and opportunity provided by the architect.

architect - beneficiary of carpenter's ability to turn his vision into reality

Isn't that the whole point? Neither would be successful without the other.

architect - beneficiary of carpenter's ability to turn his vision into reality

Carpenter - And paid very well I am sure to do so. It isn't like he is the one risking all he has on that vision. A carpenter can find another job.

You libs just don't get it.

Steve R, great point.

Talk - you don't get a thing. Neither can do without the other. You Republicans never get ANYTHING!

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And without the schooling to educate, the roads required to access the school, the power grid for the lights, and the libraries and internet required for resources there is no architect.

Seeking Sanity.... it's not that the Repubnuts don't get it, they don't want to admit when they are wrong. They twist and spin anything to their advantage... even when it sounds ridiculous, they keep on pushing. They'll get it when Rompey is kicked to the curb though.

Yes, SteveR, Lori, Mathew, SS and Jody...

Romney has just revealed his lack of getting anything very clearly with his sophisticated and contradictory twist and spin confusion skills...then backfiring, then oops, then backing off with all the "but I meant this or that" stuff next day and with friends on the campaign trail in OHIO - which is full of angry workers, teachers, and voters already screwed for the last few years by the Coingate and Scots Golfer's clubs, not to mention the governor who insults the police... oh and those robocalls of DeLay's, is he still inside doing time, or is he back out on the ballroom dance floor? I say, that is a good show, and next we have Laurel and Hardy.

Government won't have been able to build anything without taxpayers money which I'm sure Steven Jobsa s a taxpayer help supply the cash to build those roads he used. The government wouldn't exist without the taxpayer but I'm positive that the individual who is self-sufficient can live without the government.

I'm positive that the individual who is self-sufficient can live without the government.

Show me one--just one--person who did EVERYTHING without any help or contribution from anyone else. I dare ya.

And creating a private job is in the Constitution as a requirement to be President? Did Reagan ever create a private job? GHW Bush?

No, Obama didn't create private sector jobs, but 4.4 million jobs in the private sector have been created under his watch. I guess that counts for nothing, right GOPteabagnuts???

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Sofork, you left out a very critical piece of information, he's a career CHICAGO politician. This explains the way he does "business". Behind closed doors (obamacare), special deals for the one's who "play ball" (again obamacare). Now is buddy Rod is serving his much needed sentence, as I believe three previous governers of the state of Illinois. Need I say more?

I believe that the "somebody" you are referring to are the taxpayers of this nation. Although they are dwindling in numbers quickly. Answer, raise taxes.

Conservative - that totally makes no sense but it IS so Republican!

Conservative - that totally makes no sense but it IS so Republican!

Try explaining umbilical cords to them!

tmac - no way THAT'S going to happen. I think anything past one plus one is impossible! Just not the GOP way!

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