This news is sure to make all the FR lefty liberals angry as Hell.

Those evil Wall Street “banksters” at JPM lost their own stockholder’s money in bad trades costing $4.4 billion, and they STILL MADE A QUARTERLY PROFIT OF $4.96 BILLION. Not a penny of taxpayer money was lost and these evil bastards will probably get big bonuses for making almost $5 billion in profits for the quarter.

LMFAO@U FR lefty liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JPMorgan Profit Declines on $4.4 Billion Loss From 'Whale'

JPMORGAN EARNINGS, JPMORGAN CHASE, BANKING, FINANCIALS, JPMORGAN, JPM, BANKS, REVENUE, SALES,

Reuters

| 13 Jul 2012 | 08:08 AM ET

JPMorgan Chase, the biggest U.S. bank, said it had generated $4.4 billion of credit trading losses in its London offices, but posted overall profit that was barely dented by the trades.

Net income was $4.96 billion, or $1.21 a share, compared with $5.43 billion, or $1.27 a share, a year earlier. Results for both periods included special items. Analysts had expected earnings of 70 cents per share.

The derivatives portfolio lost $4.4 billion before taxes for the period, up from the $2 billion disclosed on May 10, the company said on Friday.

The bank lost money on bad derivatives trades in its Chief Investment Office, but said the events were isolated to the CIO, and that it has overhauled the group.

"Importantly, we have put most of this problem behind us and we can now focus our full energy on what we do best —serving our clients and communities around the world," JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon said in a statement.

I thought this was a pretty good article from John King at CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/12/politics/john-king-bain/index.html

To me, the key part of the article is this segment:

But first, is there anything other than the SEC filings to suggest a hands-on Romney role at Bain post-February 1999?

No is the word from four sources who communicated with CNN on Thursday -- all of whom have firsthand knowledge of Bain's operations at the time in question. Three of the four are Democrats, and two of the four are active Obama supporters in Campaign 2012.

All four told me Romney is telling the truth.

Only one, Bain Managing Director Steve Pagliuca, would talk on the record. The others spoke only on condition of anonymity, citing either Bain's low-key culture or the desire not to anger friends in the Obama campaign.

Pagliuca, a Democrat who unsuccessfully ran for Senate in 2010, told CNN: "Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics and has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure."

In explaining the SEC documents filed in 2000 and 2001, Pagliuca said, "Due to the sudden nature of Mr. Romney's departure, he remained the sole stockholder for a time while formal ownership was being documented and transferred to the group of partners who took over management of the firm in 1999. Accordingly, Mr. Romney was reported in various capacities on SEC filings during this period."

Another Bain Democrat who did not want to be identified by name said Romney had no role after taking the Olympics post.

"Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. He was just gone. And it happened very suddenly. ... After that, he was not on calls or writing memos. He was gone."

To be clear, all four of the sources voiced professional loyalty and personal respect for Romney. And all four have a vested interest in defending the work of Bain. But they were consistent in describing Romney's departure as abrupt and in saying they could not recall him around the office in the months that followed.

Two highly reputable arbiters of political debate -- TheWashington Post's fact-checking arm and FactCheck.org-- also on Thursday stood by their earlier findings that Romney stepped away from any active role at Bain when he accepted the Olympics post. And Fortune reported that it obtained private Bain documents that support the Romney account.

So according to several Democrats, Romney did not have an active role in the management of the company during the time period in question. As to Pagliuca's explanation of why Romney was on the SEC filings, I can't say that I understand it as I've never been a CEO or major shareholder at a company.

Happy Friday the 13th all!!! :-)

With two Bush's costly wars winding down, the nation finally can breath easier, fiscally. But these Republicans try to keep the same level of defense spending, continue the extra fiscal burden, soffocate nation's economy, but blame it on Obama, tying the president's hands.

Please forgive the typos my computer is freezing. I thought I had fixed the hard drive. I just hope you'll all got the message.

Mitt Romney remained Bain's "Sole stockholder, Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer, and President" all the way through 2002

Mitt is a Figurative Liar!!!

Countdown to Election Day: 116 days Outsource Obama/Biden/Holder 2012

Good morning Backhouse. Happy Friday!

Why won't Romney release his tax returns? That's today's MILLION dollar question. Ha!

Great informative posts today.

@Fools Gold - So when we state the truth, you right wing wackos try to spin it as us trying to spin it. Nice! If that is all you can come up with, you have already lost. Don't go away mad, just go away.

I was actually impressed with Romney for having the sack to march out in front of an unfriendly audience and deliver his standard stump speech, despite the fact that he had to know it wouldn't go over well.

It wasn't the sack that allowed him to go out there, it was stupidity. He just doesn't get why what he would have to say would get him "Boo'd". He doesn't get it, and he can't sell it.

It must be exhausting (and frankly kind of sad) to spend your life constantly searching for signs of racism in the words and deeds of others. Ironically, in addition to lessening the impact of the charge of racism where it actually exists, falsely accusing others of such a heinous and dispicable thing only exposes the accuser's own bigotry.

As soon as he wakes up and starts fighting for the people of the USA instead of Heads of Corporations with their cigar smoking white boys club attitude, then maybe i would be able to take you you wrote seriously. Until then.... Yes, he is racist and a bigot.

The latest discoveries surrounding Bain leave only two possibilities;

-Romney was actively involved in managing Bain and is lying to the American people about his involvment in "offshoring" and bankruptcy for profit

or

-Romney was actively involved in lying to investors and the SEC about his lack of involvement in the activities of Bain and therefore was in criminal violation.

You can't parse between those things. It's one or the other...which is why Conservatives are working so hard to bury the whole thing entirely.

Why do we still need all such defense spending level, with 2 wars winding down? Having the capability to destroy the world - say - 100 times is still not enough? Republicans want to raise the capacity of destroying it to 101 times, or more?

Even from the Republican angle, it's a good idea to reduce defense spending a little bit now, grow the economy. An economically stronger US can in the end allow more money into defense in the future.

Another bad week for Romney with no end in sight. He didn't sign a severance agreement with Bain until 2002. Between 1999 and 2002 he did sign documents creating 5 additional companies. He was the CEO in charge. At this point he would rather lie to the American people than to the SEC.

Don't Carry,

GOP/Koch plans to win on Big Lies, Big Deception and Big Money. Check out the no-Press event in Wyo yesterday. We know very well that not a word of truth was spoken. Look how gross Romney was at the NAACP.

Romney's party is all about income inequalilty on steroids. The party of super-rich elites launching an assault on the middle and working class using vast amounts of cash from corporate raiding.

They just want a so-called President who will sign on to more tax cuts for the wealthy & transnationals, deregulating up the Wazoo, disenfranchizing ordinary Americans, and re-writing the Constitution for their own gain.

Frank, I can agree that it is unclear when Romney left Bain Capital. The problem is Romney wants it both ways. He said when trying to establish residency in Massachusetts to run for governor that although being in Utah to run the Olympics, he continued to come to MA for board meetings etc. Board members are involved in running companies. His campaign also uses the time frame after he "left" (after 1999) to calculate how many jobs he "created", but he is not responsible for plant closures during that same time period. He also continued to get paid a salary....Sounds suspicious.

I also have problems believing that you are the sole owner and stockholder and leave your "business" without looking back. This is not a smart business decision, and given all the money Mitt Romney made in business, I am sure this was not the case.

You just cannot have it both ways.

Pigotry

With two Bush's costly wars winding down, the nation finally can breath easier, fiscally. But these Republicans try to keep the same level of defense spending, continue the extra fiscal burden, soffocate nation's economy, but blame it on Obama, tying the president's hands.

While I agree with your sentiment about not needing as much defense spending, I don't see a big difference between Obama and Romney on this issue. Yes, Obama wants to slow the growth in defense spending by a little bit (not much), but neither candidate is actually talking about cuts. To me, they both seem like defense hawks.

I am going to wait before I pass judgement, but I will not be totally in line with my conservatives friends on here. Although if the latest "revelation" involves the SEC and other entities, I don't expect Romney to make any statement -- other than what is camp said in the asking for an apology -- to make a statement now. It only makes sense that he will have to have sessions with his attorneys to see if this is defensible or not. If it is not then I will be the first on here asking Mitt Romney to step aside and open the convention up to a candidate that does not have this baggage. I don't want this election to be about voting for the lesser of two evils. I know that I do not want to see the president re-elected. His policies and views -- I believe -- are not right for this country. Obviously I am not alone in that position, but I want a candidate that can receive positive votes rather than negative votes.

As for the tax returns, Gov. Romney needs to release them ASAP. He is wealthy and if he has done every thing legally by protecting his money in those means, then the vast majority of people don't care about his wealth. I can only wish I had his options but I don't envy him or say he is not one of us in this regard. Being wealthy and successful legally is something to be commended. In business, not everyone thrives and there will be those not happy or even hurt, but as a CEO one has a job to do. This is a great skill and the experience needed (ala Bill Clinton said so) to run this country.

If he has offshore accounts. So be it. I don't care. If there are years he had extremely favorable tax years by using the tax laws legally and properly and all of this has passed the IRS smell test. So be it. I don't care. It is his right and has nothing to do with anything other than personal finances.

If I had enough money to "bet against America" as to where I would invest under this current administration then I would do it. I would take advantage of it. Doesn't make me unAmerican, just makes me a smart investor not to all me eggs in one basket.

Makes you wonder what else is hidden in Romney's tax records, doesn't it Ron?

Backhouse:

Good points in all your posts. Lest we not forget Stericycle, Romney's company that disposed of human fetuses.

Mitt Romney – I took a leave of absence starting in 1999

Bain Capital – Mr. Romney retired in 1999

Mitt Romney – While heading the Olympics I traveled back to MA several times to attend Board Meetings (to prove his state citizenship so he could run for Governor).

Former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough said this morning that Mitt Romney has a serious problem with Bain and the SEC.

John:

Good morning: I'm thinking Romney would die of a 1000 cuts than release his tax returns. There has to be some significant material there...or else he would have released them already.

Figures of Speech or Lies?

Mitt Romney is a shameless Imposter; simply put, Willard is a LIAR. Let's sort out his numerous lies. Oh that's right; we can't; there is not enough space.

Mitt said he saw his father march with DR. MLK. That was a lie. He later said "saw" was a figure of speech in the dictionary which he used figuratively as in envision. It was still a lie.

Mitt may have committed voter fraud.

Did Mitt Romney Commit Voter Fraud In Massachusetts in 2010?

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-20/politics/31371937_1_ann-romney-massachusetts-governor-residency#ixzz20WC3RDL9

If the SEC filings are falsified that is a a lie and possible felony.

R-money does not deserve the presidency. He cannot be trusted. Mrs. R-money said --"Let's unzip Mitt". Okaaaaay, what we got is a mad, greedy, un-caged animal; in other words as Rick Santorum said a "vulture capitalist"!!!

Mitt think his promises and LIES can be broken . That is why he WON'T RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS. Mitt can run; but the figures on his tax returns when released will reveal ( a possible felony in conjunction with the SEC filings). Also, his paper trail of LIES will follow him too and that's not figuratively speaking; either.

4morefor44

Obama/Biden 2012

Mitt Romney your a liar. Your campaign people are liars. Your Fox News people are liars. Russ Limburgers a liar. And your supporters are liars. Don't believe me? Check the facts. Bain retirement. Offshore accounts. Shipping work overseas. No association with Bain after1999. Insults the NAACP and insults the entire Black Community. And the list goes on and on. And you fools want to elect this liar President? Can't you see the handwriting on the wall if you should elect this liar President? Come on, wake up, this guy is dangerous. He's not his own man, he's controlled by others who only have THEIR INTERESTS at heart. Not yours.

And we want to see your tax returns.

OBAMA IN 2012.

Fool's gold,

'it's times like these that make me proud I'm a conservative."

The the party of NO formerly known as the GOP, are currently debating a Farm bill in the House.

What are they arguing over?

The tea party wants more cuts to the food stamp and school lunch programs. These programs provide a safety net for the poor and WORKING poor. The CBO has stated that the rise in food stamp program is due to the severe recession we are slowing working our way of of over time. They further estimate that SNAP costs will fall back to their 1995 level by 2019.

School lunch programs are also being cut. They serve children who are in famiies at the povety level. That is currently a family of four with an annual income of $23,050. or less.

Here in MN 37.3% of school age children receive benefits from the school lunch program and 15% of our children live at or below the poverty level.

Being a proud conservative is one thing, taking food away from children is a whole different matter.

Food's Gold,

How many children in your state will be affected by the conservative house members who want to further reduce the food programs for families and children?

MaoZeObama

Maine has the largest percentage of white people in the U.S., and President Obama leads Romney here 49%-35%. There goes your theory that all white people are stupid.

I see NJNB is back with posting a lot of stupidity and thinking it makes her somehow worth reading. Tip - it doesn't.

Backhouse and Feisty - great posts. Looks like the walls are beginning to close in on old Mitts. He wasn't in charge, no maybe he was, well not quite but really - maybe just a little. Does this sound familiar - just like all the stances Mitt has taken on issues we now find he also takes on his tenure with Bain. This man is a joke that just keeps getting worse with every day.

Obama/Biden 2012

Ben -- For a Republican that post was very reasoned. ; )

Happy Friday!

J H -- Still waiting to hear what Romney's platform is. Why don't you insist he take a stand on something.

Carter led Reagan by 8 percentage points in late October and lost the election by 10. So liberals can certainly take all this polling to the bank, no way it can happen again. Of course Romney isn't about to roll over and take it like McCain did. Obama is going to have his words, his actions, and his lies thrown right back at him when the fall election season begins. A sitting president in a dead heat at this point is really pathetic. Obama will be the first sitting president to be outspent in the campaign, which is again pathetic. Of course it wouldn't matter if Obama had a record to run on, but blame and excuses is not much of a record. Although Obama will be one and done, one was one too many.

As for Amy's comment about Maine being white and not that stupid. Maine is one of the most welfare heavy states in the nation thanks to decades of Democratic Party control in the legislature. So when you have a state with its hand out to the government is it any surprise the citizens are polling in favor of Obama who is the entitlement president? Mainers continually elected the same people over and over and watched as they destroyed the state, so yes plenty of white people are stupid.

Gotta love Romney bringing his own ringers to the NAACP event !!!

We'll have to see what the SEC says. If Romney didn't sign any of the SEC filings, but the person who was really running Bain Capital did, it would appear that Romney is correct, and any sanctions would be against the people who filed erroneous reports, not Romney.

You can still be listed as a officer of a corporation and not have any actual duties, and that's the real issue, isn't it? If indeed Romney turned over the actual operations to someone else, and they took several years to complete the ownership transfer documents, then your allegations of wrongdoing against Romney are totally unfounded.'

I'm sure the SEC will get to the truth, so let's see what happens.

You're obviously a staunch Obama supporter and would like to see Romney trashed, even with falsehoods, but why not wait to see what the truth actually is.

Hi Angie in KY...

If John King's reporting and sources are correct, then Romney didn't have operational input during the time period in question. (I leave it to the reader as to whether or not they trust his reporting and sources). The SEC filings with him listed as major shareholder (or owner or whatever it said) are what needs to be explained. Because I agree with you that as laid out, it seems suspicious. The explanation in the article I quoted above was:

In explaining the SEC documents filed in 2000 and 2001, Pagliuca said, "Due to the sudden nature of Mr. Romney's departure, he remained the sole stockholder for a time while formal ownership was being documented and transferred to the group of partners who took over management of the firm in 1999. Accordingly, Mr. Romney was reported in various capacities on SEC filings during this period."

I personally don't know why it takes so long, but I have never been a major shareholder and have to plead ignorance on that. I would think a quick explanation or perhaps meeting minutes or something would help.

Great post and have a great day! :-)

(Edited to add: Ben...great post above)

I'm sure the SEC will get to the truth, so let's see what happens.

Can't wait. I'm all for truth.

FR: the Drudge Report -- with its close ties to the Romney campaign -- still has the power to change the subject,

So I guess this is how you guys at FR and MSNBC resolve being the mouthpiece of the Obama campaign, eh?

If Romney didn't sign any of the SEC filings,

There are already SEC filings out there will Willard's signature & title of CEO on them in 2001..

Obama is dressed to impress Virginia, Romney will lose because he was engaged in illegal activity with Bain which is a felony, Mitt the figurative will now be digging his own grave site in jail.

"OBAMA 2012 GUARANTEED"

tempusfugit,

RICE – So you are good with her “Pro Choice” and “Affirmative Action” positions?

@Don't Carry -- Don't be too surprised (thanks for the nice words) but there were a number that crossed over when the realization came that Sen. McCain was not the right person. That is what is so disappointing now from a conservative's point of view especially since we are of the belief that the devil we didn't know in 2008 and we elected is the devil we do know now. Our president is a man that came out of no where with the power to crush the Clinton machine and put fear into anyone that opposed him. A man we know very little about his past but for some reason all the media cares about are the pasts of others. Where are all of his friends from his early years in school and college?? Hell, we don't even know what his grades were or even read unabridged papers/thesis that he wrote on our own.

I have a very bad feeling that Congress will fall totally into Republican hands while a democrat retains the presidency. It was fine under Clinton but this man has no compromise in his being. He has his own agenda and he will make every attempt to force his will on America by bypassing the Constitution and Congress. That is fundamentally wrong and if it were to occur, there would be riots in the streets (literally speaking).

If Romney can't pull out of this with legally backed explanations, then he needs to step aside immediately. The close polls will remain close polls if a new candidate is put forth. Then it is a matter of swaying the fence sitters.

P.S. -- This just out to embolden my point of disappointment. The president is in a position to lose handily if only there was a strong candidate to defeat him.

A preliminary reading on consumer sentiment for the month of July checked in at 72, lower than both the 73.4 expected and a final June reading of 73.2, according to a survey by Thomson Reuters and the University of Michigan. The reading was the lowest since December 2011.

Roy Wilson -

You constantly tout Rasmussen as the "most accurate" pollster, but that statement has NOT been true since 2008. Polling methods were changed, and in the 2010 congressional elections Rassmussen was the LEAST accurate of the major polling organizations.

Rassmussen missed in 2010 by an average of over 5 points, and overstated Republican performance by an average of 4 points. Rassmussen missed in Hawaii by 40 points!

Scott Rassmussen has become increasingly partisan, and his polls have become less accurate.

You also keep stating that the Undecideds break for the challenger - if that is true why was Kerry up by 5 points over Bush at this point in 2004, and the Undecideds broke for Bush?

An open letter to Mitt Romney:

The people of the United States do not want or need a KING or an EMPEROR to RULE US. We don't need a CEO. What we need is someone we can respect. Someone who cares about the people, ALL THE PEOPLE, not just the 1% richest individuals.

We need affordable health care, schools to properly educate our young, cities that are safe and clean, and a above all we need jobs and an economy that is thriving. We need tolerance and acceptance, not wedge issues or rhetoric.

We do not need a man who will say anything to be elected President. We don't need a follower of a religion is that is highly secretive, very wealthy and powerful. We do not need a man who hides his money in off-shore bank accounts and who will not release his tax returns for scrutiny. We do not need a wealthy corporate raider who obviously cared more about the bottom line than the people he put on the unemployment line.

In other words, Mr. Romney, with all due respect, we do not need YOU. Ten years ago you characterized yourself as a "progressive". You supported a health care law that is the model for the Affordable Health Care act you now villify. Now you say you have seen the light and you are a conservative. So, which is it? Are you a progressive, or a conservative or just somebody who will say anything to get elected? How can we believe you? How can we respect your? How can we trust you?

To put it simply, we can't.

Obama/Biden 2012

Good morning and happy Friday, friends. How do liberals know that the indepth investigation in to Bain is working? Simply read the spinning and deflecting conservative posts.

Shoot, Albany Joe has shifted to JP Morgan Chase's profits as if making a profit justifies the estimated $6, possibly more, billion lost using the same risky bets that collapsed the Global economy, not to mention the havoc wrought on the millions who lost their jobs, their homes, their retirement.

Fairfax Bill is in denial.

A rereg who calls himself MaoZeObama has resurrected the long dead horse named "shovel ready".

FOOLSGold is stuck on the NAACP.

Then comes Grimey (sorry friend) but I see traces of straw grasping. John King leans so far to the right, he's close to tipping over. It is easy to find a few of either party who will say what King or whomever wishes them to say to defend his/her own view. I would suggest those democrats King refers to actually read the investigative reports instead of repeating what Romney and Bain have claimed these past 6 years.

And then Roy Wilson heads off into right field and claims Rasmussen as the most accurate pollster over the past two presidential races. In the words of his fellow conservative....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The only time Rasmussen comes close to being accurate is near election time when they stop push polling and do a better job of not over-sampling conservatives to keep their credibility; that's fact, not fiction.

Another writer touched on this subject yesterday and it was also mentioned on CNN last night - the real problem will come down to where was Mr. Romney living during that time. Was he really a resident of Mass when he ran for governor? If so then he very like will have to fess up to the Bain mess, if not he was an illegal governor of a state he did not reside in. Which could pose a much larger problem for him than actually deceiving the SEC. By the way rightie friends - the reason no one investigated him was probably due to the fact that the SEC was in GOP hands and pocketbooks during most of that time, and we all know they never investigate their own.

Jody, Iowa "And then Roy Wilson heads off into right field and claims Rasmussen as the most accurate pollster over the past two presidential races. In the words of his fellow conservative....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

Here is information on the accuracy of Rasmussen, who was the most accurate pollster in the 2004, 2008 and 2010 elections;

Presidential Elections

2004 - In the 2004 presidential election, "Rasmussen...beat most of their human competitors in the battleground states, often by large margins," according to Slate magazine.[34] Rasmussen projected the 2004 presidential results within one percentage point of the actual vote totals earned by both George W. Bush and John Kerry.[35] Rasmussen projected 50.2% for Bush (actual was 50.7%), and 48.5% for Kerry (actual was 48.2%).

In 2004 Slate magazine said they "publicly doubted and privately derided Rasmussen" polls because of the methodology. However, after the election, they concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the most accurate.[34]

2008 - According to Politico, "Rasmussen's final poll of the 2008 general election — showing Obama defeating Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 percent to 46 percent — closely mirrored the election's outcome."[36] In reference to the 2008 presidential election, a Talking Points Memo article said, "Rasmussen's final polls had Obama ahead 52%-46%, which was nearly identical to Obama's final margin of 53%-46%, and made him one of the most accurate pollsters out there."[37]

Congressional and gubernatorial

In the 2009 New Jersey gubernatorial race, Rasmussen Reports' final poll predicted that Chris Christie would beat Jon Corzine by a margin of 3 points. Christie won the race with a spread of 4.3 points.[38]

In December 2009, Alan Abramowitz wrote that if Rasmussen's data was accurate, Republicans would gain 62 seats in the House during the 2010 midterm elections.[39] In a column written the week before the 2010 midterm elections, Rasmussen stated his belief that Republicans would gain at least 55 seats in the House and end up with 48 or 49 Senate seats.[40] Republicans ended up gaining 63 seats in the House, and coming away with 47 Senate seats.[41]

Source – Wikipedia

By the way - Slate magazine is a far-left liberal source, so their acknowledgment of Rasmussen's accuracy is telling.

To quote you - "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

MaoZeObama

74% of the voting electorate is white.

good luck O... the white guilt is gone.

According to Pew Research, not only is President Obama leading Mitt Romney by 7 points (50/43). Take a look at these numbers.

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/NLinStPaul/?action=view&current=PewResearch.png

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DAYUM, Chairman Moe, You rightist ignoramuses sure know how to spin that communist propaganda just to help defend Mitt Romney's Chinese offshore accounts.

再见 (zàijiàn, forget about it.)

YES WE CAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsV2O4fCgjk

4morefor44

Obama/Biden

The left has a very serious problem with double standards. While they are in the continual process of denegrating any GOP/conservative candidate, they dismiss everything a Dem/liberal candidate/office holder does as a superior intellectual tactic. It is becoming more and more obvious that the left actually does believe in their superiority. It's almost to the point where we can truly say, "welcome to the Left Reich."

The elitist attitude carried by most liberals is cause for vomit. The finger pointing is amazing. The left has a blind eye to all the bad their leaders participate in.

The reason for the Obama campaign to lie about the SEC violation is a response to a Romney ad placed a few days ago where they actually have the cajones to point out Obama's lying nature. The ad cited several Obama lies and Romney called him out on it. Of course the natural Obama response, since he's so coddled and worshipped by both himself and his followers was to create a false scandal that all the liberals would jump on. There is no positive proof that Romney violated the SEC rules but the left takes off like a balloon with a bunch of hot air in it to carry the story, no matter how false it may turn out to be... for the moment, the liberals are all being fed their weekly dose of Obama pablum.

Hi Jody...

Not really grasping at straws. Just posting an article I read on my phone this morning that I found interesting. Honestly, I don't know squat about John King's politics. All I know about him is that he is at CNN. Most likely, the best way to get to the bottom of things would be to look at things like meeting minutes and stuff like that. Not sure if that's what Fortune magazine has looked at or not.

Take care! :-)

BrianB -- Be careful as you go through this. Do you think it was just a "poor choice" of words in the soon to be released CBS interview that the president said his biggest failing was not being a good communicator??? Not hardly. Too smart for that and who in their right mind would believe that coming from the Great Orator??? Nah, it is a spin to get the public the believe that his lies were just him not being able to communicate properly.

Man the bull$#it on here is thick. Its hard to tell what side is throwing the biggest chunks of the cow's patty. From what we all have read, I going to say the right wins the contest. They can tell it, throw it and spin it but anyway its still a turd. Put any condiment on it it's still going to taste like $hit! Your presumptive nominee lies or flip-flops on everything. Your presumptive nominee has about the same level of job experience as the President had when he took office. So don't say he does because thats not true. The only experience is he knows how to do is outsource jobs. The President had our biggest enemy killed. The only thing your presumptive nominee has done is kill jobs. But the best thing he has done, was not to admit he imposed a tax an the people of Massachusetts with his insurance mandate. The truth of that must really hurt!

Why does the SEC does not prosecute Romney for a felony? Do they not have enough evidence?

Why does the IRS not prosecute Romney for tax evasion? Is there not enough documentation to proceed?

Or is because in a court of law they know the inane accusations of the Obama campaign will be shown to be lies.

Go ahead, demand that an instigation be initiated. Demand that Romney be prosecuted. E-mail your President to stand behind his accusations. I dare you.

Roy Wilson,

You say Rasmussen was the most accurate polling during the 2008 election. I'd like to differ, and say that Nate Silver at 538 was spot on in his calculations and predictions. Today, he shows Obama at 294 and Romney at 243. While I agree with you it's only July, but it kind of paints the election in a different light, doesn't it?

Rice for Vice President? Oh please - pick her. Let's see, she ignored reports prior to 9/11 that the US would be attacked using commercial aircraft. Didn't think the airlines should be told because "we didn't know how they were going to do it and we didn't want to spread panic." Well, how'd that work out for ya Condi?

She deleted the fact that she was told that under no circumstances could the metal tubes found in Iraq be used to deliver WMD's. Why? Well, because she could.

She was Bush's lapdog and liar - nothing more, nothing less.

Let her run - she will be decimated by the truth!

Obama/Biden 2012

Thought I would stop by to say good bye to all of you. I haven't given up the fight, and I will still be reading all of your posts, but sometimes it is very hard to sit up and type or else I can't get a decent signal to get on line. I truly enjoy the passion you all show for your candidate. Piece of advice - others besides all you political junkies read these and think of all those in the middle you can influence by civility to each other than being ugly. I love each and every one of you. Feisty, I truly hope my granddaugthers have you zest for life, nojo, even though I ususally disagree with you politically, I bet you were a great teacher and hope my girls get a teacher like you must have been. Gentlemen, you all are truly gentlemen, and I hope my grils meet men like you. Jody and new day, both are ladies with great hearts. Bev, you are so passionate, I hope my girls can find such passion.

I will miss all of you. I will be reading all your comments and maybe say "hello" every now and then. Until later, Bless all of you.

Fairfax Bill is in denial.

Let me get this straight: I cite numerous independent sources that debunk the Bain crap coming from the Obama campaign, and I'm in denial?? Jody dearest, if you want to see the true face of denial then grab the nearest mirror.

As FR's most active Rasmussen employee stated;

If Romney didn't sign any of the SEC filings,

So let's see what the record shows;

The Globe found nine SEC filings submitted by four different business entities after February 1999 that describe Romney as Bain Capital’s boss; some show him with managerial control over five Bain Capital entities that were formed in January 2002, according to records in Delaware, where they were incorporated.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/07/12/government_documents_indicate_mitt_romney_continued_at_bain_after_date_when_he_says_he_left/?page=full

There you go, in the eyes of Bain and the SEC Romney had managerial control over Bain YEARS after he now claims he had no input at the company. So he moves the goalposts, stating;

You can still be listed as a officer of a corporation and not have any actual duties, and that's the real issue, isn't it?

Of course in the area of corporate governance you can't waive away such matters as easily as one can dismiss any and all evidence of Rasmussen's inaccuracy;

A former SEC commissioner told the Globe that the SEC documents listing Romney as Bain’s chief executive between 1999 and 2002 cannot be dismissed so easily.

“You can’t say statements filed with the SEC are meaningless. This is a fact in an SEC filing,” said Roberta S. Karmel, now a professor at Brooklyn Law School.

“It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to say he was technically in charge on paper but he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations,” Karmel continued. “Was he getting paid? He’s the sole stockholder. Are you telling me he owned the company but had no say in its investments?”

So now it's time to move the goalposts again. That's what proven liars do.

PHINE!!!!!! :-)

Great to see you out here!!! Truly a beautiful post as always! Keep fighting that fight...we are all pulling for ya!!! :-)

JohnB -- Are you curious as I am??? I want to see the documents. They are obviously public domain so I wonder why the Globe did not publish them -- at least not in the link you provided.

Ben, let me add how much I enjoyed reading your post today. It was thoughtful, reasonable and you deserve a "great job" remark today.

phinephancy - I don't know you well but wish you all the best in your fight. You seem to be a very strong person and I hope that helps you through this.

You are in my thoughts and prayers - as is your family.

@Grimey

You have understand that Amy thinks Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow and Laurence O'Donnel are journalists.

I'm still laughing at Maddow being flummoxed on Bill Maher when she claimed that she wasn't partisan and Nick Gillespie call her out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClGCGyKV_Co

From CNN as quoted by Frank Grimes:

Two highly reputable arbiters of political debate -- TheWashington Post's fact-checking arm and FactCheck.org-- also on Thursday stood by their earlier findings that Romney stepped away from any active role at Bain when he accepted the Olympics post. And Fortune reported that it obtained private Bain documents that support the Romney account.

I don't consider these organizations "highly reputable" and I don't consider them to be "fact checkers". What they've been mostly checking whether or not various claims and opinions conform to the conventional wisdom. For instance, Glen Kessler of the Washington Post gave Romney only a mild rebuke for the ridiculous lie in the campaign ad he put out misrepresenting Obama quoting a McCain aide saying "if we talk about the economy, we're going to lose" to make it appear that Obama was talking about himself. Same goes for Romney's claim that Obama has "done nothing" on immigration policy.

All we have to go on is Romney's word and the word of current executives at Bain who are supporting the seemingly preposterous claim that Romney did nothing at Bain despite being the CEO, the President, AND the Chairman of the Board. As for these executives being Democrats, so what? Most of the Wall Street Democrats like Jamie Dimon (whose company just lost $5.8 billion due to risky investments) hate Obama because he's imposed more regulations on them that make it harder for them to risk other people's money to support their gambling habit.

The facts are that Romney was listed as being in total control of Bain in the SEC documents during a time that he said he wasn't, and you can't get around that, "fact" checkers who pick and choose their facts notwithstanding.

Fool's Gold:It must be exhausting (and frankly kind of sad) to spend your life constantly searching for signs of racism in the words and deeds of others.

Almost as tiring as searching for socialism in the words and deeds of others...

Hey Phine, keep fighting the good fight. My prayers are with you.

God's blessing to you phine, and I hope He brings you healing.

Please know that you are in my thoughts daily.

Hey Ben -- Reasonable people can agree to disagree. That's healthy discourse. Thanks for the reply.

As for sentiment, I think the global slowdown and Congress' inability to work together are the reason sentiment is down. Remember, if these guys don't get their act together we will go off the fiscal cliff.

I'm sure we disagree on who is causing the gridlock. ; )

John B, you and your sources are grasping for straws. This will go nowhere because it is nothing. Hot air from the Obama campaign because Romney insulted Obama.

Ben, I heard about that interview. More BS from the chief BSer. I can guarantee you one thing, I will NOT be watching it. I don't need his crap spewed all over my living room floor... Any chance the great orator gets, he will lie to the people in the form of spin anything and everything to make him look good. I don't need that in a president.... we need to get rid of president narcissist.

phinephancy, well said and nice to see you this morning. Best wishes for better days to come for you.

Grimey, good morning to you. I probably should have said the traces of straw grasping were John King's as you were merely repeating him. Guess I owe you a margarita at the DDI.

BrianB -- I can almost bet the entire farm that much of this is coming out now to lessen the reaction to the Movie 2016 that is coming out.

Jody:

Guess I owe you a margarita at the DDI.

Woo hoo!!!!!! Is it Happy Hour yet?? ;-)

Thanks Jody -- I posted the other day that I am done with the name calling. Even if some one on here calls me an idiot or worse, I will not reciprocate.

I sure do wonder why those SEC documents have not been published. Shouldn't they be published?

I also understand that Romney can leave a company he owns and leave the day to day operations to others. He brings on board those he trusts and has trained so as long as his management team in place is making him money legally, then stepping aside and not micro-managing is not a bad decision to make to free him up to do other things like Olympics and campaigning.

@Phine - Keep cuddling those kitties & keep your chin up! We will leave the light on for ya! ☺

♥

Feisty

AlexM - might want to actually take a look at and listen to Romney who is making fools of all of you who are seriously thinking of putting this buffoon into the White House. The ignorance of his supporters - like you - is only overshadowed by your eagerness to show that ignorance.

You don't begin to know the truth about Romney and his backers but will march lock-step in tune with them. You're right - there are too many ignorant who don't bother to find out the truth - and you're one of them.

Obama/Biden 2012

@Dennis, for me, Dr. Rice's pro-abortion position is the least favorable aspect of a very sharp and capable woman, as it irrevocably denies the first spark of opportunity. Mitt Romney is pro-life enough for me and Dr. Rice seems to have enough integrity to maintain the platform elected on while holding office.

I don't agree 100% with her stance on Affirmative Action, but that's life.

ROMNEY/RICE 2012= REAL & EXPERIENCED LEADERSHIP

OBAMA/BIDEN=FRACTURED FAIRY TALE (ala Rocky, Bullwinkle and Bill Clinton)

@Dennis, P.S.: OH-IO !!!

My two cents on the Romney/Bain issue:

1) There are undeniable facts that show Romney retained control and ownership of Bain well after the Feb 1999 date.

2) These facts also show that Romney personally signed SEC documents including filings, incorporation of "spin-offs" or affiliates, and acquisition documents.

3) Facts also show that Romney on more than one occasion stated/testified that he was still in control of Bain and only took a "leave of absence" during the Olympics. Press releases from Bain and statemetns from Romney's lawyer also support the "leave of absence" story.

So no one is arguing that Romney RETAINED control over Bain and it's affiliates, the argument is whether he EXERCISED that control. Legally there may not be enough documentation to prove it either way, so ultimately Romney may be tried only in the court of public opinion.

Roy, nice imitation of Det. Friday from Dragnet,,,,,, "we only want the facts, mam,",,,,,LOL,,,,,,,,,,as can be seen from the multitude of responses, with relevant facts and "if the shirt fits wear it" or "if it stinks like poo, it must be poo", ya gotta admit the REpub. of today have dug themselves a deep hole of intolerance, unlike the past. The G.O.P.'s strategy of picking Pres. candidates with no knowledge or fortitude is apparent in the last 7 elections. They are cronies of the establishment, contrary to old school Republican values.....Even they themselves attacked their,Mitt during the debate on the Bain Capital issue........... Do you see that on the Dem. side?

Like I said before, "used to be one, now I'm not", will not work in the publics' mind.. The Repub. are back to the "silent majority" and "read my lips", social agenda with little personal responsibility involved. Good Day.

TNSEVOL -- Have you seen a link that can provide us a look at the documents? If your last paragraph is the way it falls out, then I can maintain my support for Gov. Romney.

frank, like I said, I just cannot believe that Romney left his company completely in the hands of someone else. That would not be a good business decision, he had to have some input.

I also would like to see him release the minutes of the meeting showing who was in charge.

Roy Wilson #1.64, The U.S. securities and exchange commission place Mitt Romney in charge of "BAIN" from 1999 to 2001 and this is when all the jobs were outsourced, when is this Clown going to stop lying and flip flopping his BS on the American people !!!!!!!!!!! "WHEN"

Ben - the movie is another Republican attempt at "swift boating" a candidate they don't like. Lie after lie is all they'll throw at Obama. It must make you proud that your party has to stoop so low in order to get votes. It's the only way they can.

Obama/Biden 2012

Ben -

No links to the specific documents, just numerous articles stating that they reviewed SEC filings signed by Romney.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/07/11/government-documents-indicate-mitt-romney-continued-bain-after-date-when-says-left/IpfKYWjnrsel4pvCFbsUTI/story.html

The Romney campaign has not disputed the facts of the articles, just the conclusion that he was running Bain. I think either way Romney either represented he was running Bain or claimed he wasn't as it suited his needs.

As I said I think legally it may be hard to prove either way - but it sure is "splitting hairs" to say you signed documents, create spin-offs, and signed acquisition forms but weren't involved. It is also not just one document but several SEC filings, press releases, and sworn testimony.

I guess it depends on what your definition of "actively involved" is.

Roy Wilson -- Guess what? It's 2012. Things change, nothing is static. NOTHING. Just because Rasmussen was accurate in the past in their final polls doesn't mean they are accurate TODAY.

An economics guy would know that.

Voting is no longer important!

As shown in this article, the elections are already decided, through campaign rhetoric and donations!

The Republicans have a credibility problem, given their history of spreading misinformation and practicing character assassination in their campaigns. I mean, a leading birther, Donald Trump, just got Statesman of the Year award from the Florida Republican Party. Republicans have long acted like everything around a candidate is "fair game:" Michelle Obama's college thesis, John Kerry's war record, Bill Clinton's sex life. Now, when the public hears the Romney campaign complain that Democrats are spreading lies about Romney's business dealings, voters just yawn.

Ben - I am under the impression that the Obama campaign is in serious trouble. As you know, Obama cannot run on his record so his legs have been cut off. The only thing Obama has to his campaign is the democrat stand-by... negative campaigning. I find it hard to fathom Obama is doing this because of a movie. It makes more sense that he's doing it in retaliation. You have to realize Obama has lived a coddled political life. He is built up by his associates. He has been told that he can do no wrong. He has been led down the primrose path of his own importance. On top of that, Obama has bought into his own relevance completely.

When Romney ran that ad a few days ago showing Obama is a liar, Obama was cut to the quick and his only reaction was to get Romney back. This is the way a narcissist works. It doesn't matter to Obama that this whole debacle has no bearing on truth... the way he figures it, there's enough hatred for Romney from his base that any story he comes up with will be taken by his base and expounded on. We are witnessing it at this moment. This is only one of many half-truths, lies and general negative campaigning to come from the Obama camp.

Wow, I can't believe all this blow up over when and what took place at Bain Capital. This is just another DEFLECTION by the left and the Obama campaign because they have nothing to run on. So what if some jobs got out sourced, that is what businesses did to make money. Businesses do not operate to ensure job security for employees, they exist to make money for their investors. Look where your TVs, other household appliances, most electronics and other goods used everyday by most of those that are complaining about "outsourcing". I want a President that can show leadership, work on the economy, help businesses create jobs, and maintain a strong military. Obama has failed to show leadership or to bring the country together and has failed to improve employment and the economy. Obama has been the most "blame the previous guy" President in my life time. Obama has been the most divisive President in history. It's time to change leadership in Washington from the President on down to the party leaders in Congress. But the American people always blame or credit the sitting President, while still reelecting the same people to Congress year after year.

Amy - does this mean that you believe the democrats are totally honest, and have a moral fortitude that can't be touched?

I don't care how much money the Koch's, Sheldon Adelson, Bob Perry, etc. spend on Romney's campaign. Doesn't matter if "God" has a female relative willing to run as Romney's VP. Even if Romney could find a physician able to synchronize his vocal cords, lips and tongue by October; the prospect of "Willard Mitt Romney" ever becoming President of the "United States" is effectively "shot to hell". Right wingers can accept this, or they can continue peddling their utter raw bullsh^t. Either, simply, will not change this election outcome, other than continuing to attempt to cover Romney with ragged, unpatched sheets will only increase the size of His defeat. Many Americans are certifiable fools. Most though, are not. This election, for all intents and purposes, for Romney at least, is over. This latest revelation has some bearing on Romney's mess, but another, greater bane awaits Him, should the democrats opt to use it.

@ Fiesty red troll

Oh Fiesty, there you go again, spewing garbage. The Washington post gave the Oblammer Administration 3 Pinocchios for this flat out lie they are pushing. Crawl back under your bridge and shut up.

phinephancy

Bev, you are so passionate, I hope my girls can find such passion.

I will miss all of you. I will be reading all your comments and maybe say "hello" every now and then. Until later, Bless all of you.

phine

♥♥♥♥ your courage; keep fighting the good fight. I'm sending all my passion and good wishes.

This is for you. I hope you like Santana. I love his passion and desire for world peace through his music.

You will not be missed. There will always be a spot in my heart for you. Just remember to say hello to me when you see me in every realm.

Santana - Transendance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlPHky9he4&feature=related

Good times ♥♥♥♥

TNSEVOL "Roy Wilson - You constantly tout Rasmussen as the "most accurate" pollster, but that statement has NOT been true since 2008."

There has only been one major election since 2008 - the mid-terms in 2010, and you seriously think that Rasmussen was wrong then? Show me a more accurate pollster overall in 2010. I don't know of any that predicted the Republicans picking up more than 55 seats in the House.

As for a supposed 'Republican Bias', in 2004, Rasmussen underestimated the Republican (Bush) margin of victory by 0.8%, and in 2008, Rasmussen underestimated the Democratic (Obama) margin of victory by 1%. In the 2010 midterm elections, Rasmussen underestimated the Republican House wins by 8, and underestimated the Democratic Senate wins by 1.

So-called 'bias' appears to be in the eye of the beholder, not the numbers. Some like to quote an article in the N Y Times as 'evidence' of inaccuracy and bias, but that story is silly because it claims that Rasmussen was biased because he didn't agree with the other pollsters who had an overwhelming Democratic bias when compared with the actual results. People can try to 'spin' the results all they want, but facts are facts – Rasmussen was the most accurate in 2004, 2008 and 2010, and his minimal error rate is pretty well balanced between Democrats and Republicans.

Dont_carry_it_all "Roy Wilson -- Guess what? It's 2012. Things change, nothing is static. NOTHING. Just because Rasmussen was accurate in the past in their final polls doesn't mean they are accurate TODAY. An economics guy would know that."

Agreed. That's why I usually say "It's early, and anything can change". Final polls are still months away, and the only one that really counts is the actual vote total - by state, not nationally.

Now we've reached the stage in which Conservatives practice argument by dismissal. They can't refute the logic or the evidence, therefore the argument itself is not worth having.

Roy -- Glad you agree then that Rasmussen is food for fodder at this time.

I'm with those sitting on the fence on the Bain issue. the details leaning either way are vague and ambiguous. I do agree with Angie that given the circumstances it is "unlikely" Romney had absolutely NO control. I could also throw out the idea, a man with as much business sense as Romney would know to leave things "vague and ambiguous" but that is only speculation.

I will not say anything is definite, and I do not think Mitt is a criminal. I would just hope he would stop reaching in to his Bain Bag only for the positive news while at the same time denying the negative. Hopefully this attack from the left might end that and we can finally get his record at Bain corrrect

And yesterday the genius in chief issued an order to get rid of the work requirement in the welfare reform law. Nice. Let the GovCo dependency roll on!!!!

But by all means, let's worry about Romney's money and tenure at Bain.

Mac Forrester - you really need to grow out of 2008. We now know what Obama's program is all about. He can't do the job. You have to realize that liberals only compose 34% of this country's political make-up. If you think the fire conservatives spread on democrat/liberal candidates in 2010 is over, you have another thought coming. Romney will win, if ONLY to get rid of Obama. We conservatives do not support Obama and independents are falling away from him faster than you can imagine. You may be under the impression the Tea Party has gone away... you'd better think again.

I can understand you hanging on to Obama... it seems he's the only thing you got.

Brianb -- Are you Tea Party? Is so, which group? There are many different groups from what I understand.

Dont_carry_it_all "Roy -- Glad you agree then that Rasmussen is food for fodder at this time."

Sorry to disappoint you, but I only agreed that things (and polls) could change over time.

Obama's 'trend line' is distinctly down, and Romney's is distinctly up, so unless the economy dramatically improves over the next few months, I wouldn't bet on Obama.

Roy -- Not sure about trends as they are come and go. Two polls taken at the same time, asking the same questions will always show different results. As I said, food for fodder.

CNN just reported that if Obama raises taxes on those making greater than $250,000 per year, it will slow down our economy by an additional 1%. Liberals, keep on supporting Obama in all the changes he wants to do to this country. Maybe the liberals want to destroy our economy too.

I wonder how over 40% of America is stupid enough to vote for a Republican again, much less Bush on Steroids.... I mean, Romney's suggestions come right from the Dubya playbook. His promises sound so fantastic: he told Americans that he would "Cut, cap, and balance the budget" in his first term, without raising taxes or cutting defense spending. He even wants to cut taxes across the board by $3.4 trillion over the next decade, ballooning our deficit to over $10 trillion over that same period. Add in perhaps $600 billion in defense increases, and Romney will have to gut nearly a third of the budget just to break even. And right in the time when we should be investing more money in education, infrastructure, and other social programs (while reforming them), he plans to cut them to the bone. This is the new Republican Party; feeding the Military Industrial Complex at the expense of education, infrastructure, and the poor. Is this where we want our country to go???

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Don't Carry it... I support the Tea Party principals. I believe in their general outlines of smaller government, less taxes, solid fiscal conservative ideals and sanity in government. I have been to Tea Party meetings in both Palm Beach and New Orleans.

My question is, why do you ask?

God speed, Phine.

Freshieee - where do you get your information from? Do you realize that Obama carried many Bush policies forward into his term? Do you type posts just to read yourself and then vote for yourself?

You need to inform the liberals that you have Romney's agenda down pat. So many of them claim Romney hasn't revealed anything yet. Do you use crystal balls?

Here's a story you won't see covered on FR or MSDNC. I wonder if Da Rev. Al's Comedy Hour will be covering it??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist

Frances Robles and Scott Hiaason | Miami Herald

last updated: July 12, 2012 02:34:47 PM

After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.

Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Det. Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances — but not his race.

Serino saw Zimmerman as “having little hero complex, but not as a racist.”

The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.

Patriotic

Corporations do this frequently. Bain appears to have treated Mitt's leaving for the Olympics as a leave of absense. Afterall it was only a short term Gig. They would not need to change the SEC information until after the acting CEO is elevated to official CEO. Regardless, as long as Mitt was under a consultant contract, they can still use his name.

Pathetic is people's understanding of how business works.

The average of likely voter polls from May, June and July shows Romney by a nose. Likely voter - we are voting. Registered voter polls - this is who wins if everyone registered voted.

Roy is correct, Romneys numbers overall were improving, in both types of polls. I see that slowing right now in the last couple of weeks.

Just wanted to know where you stand Brianb. That helps me understand where you are coming from.

Brianb-999431

Freshieee - where do you get your information from? Do you realize that Obama carried many Bush policies forward into his term? Do you type posts just to read yourself and then vote for yourself?

I get my info from CNN, and some other sites for confirmation, some liberal, some not. I do realize and oppose the fact that Obama carried some Bush policies, but he did end some of them, and he's a helluva lot better than Bush 2.0 (aka Romney). Besides, a lot of the policies that Obama carried on from Bush (like the Bush tax cuts) where because he was trying to compromise with Republicans.

You need to inform the liberals that you have Romney's agenda down pat. So many of them claim Romney hasn't revealed anything yet. Do you use crystal balls?

Nah; I just use what Romney has said and what he has in his 59 point plan: deregulation, fighting unions via right-to-work support, 20% tax cut across the board, extending Bush tax cuts, endorse Ryan budget, etc. You ought to try it.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

The bottom line: Yes, Romney may very well have given up day-to-day operations of Bain Capital in 1999; as the Romney campaign puts it, he was devoted full-time to the Olympics. And that's the contention of fact-checking sites like the Washington Post and FactCheck.org.

It appears about half the respondents didn't even read the article they already had their minds made up. Fact checking sites said he had given up the operation of Bain in 1999. I get it that the far left hates Romney and that's your right but give this one up and find something else. I can tell you most independents like myself don't care about this.

Oh goody, Mr. Obama is on the campaign trail again. I can hardly wait to get some "sound bytes" to add to my list of Mr. Obama's half truths, falsehoods, lies, diversions, and continuous Chicago campaign rhetoric.

Meanwhile, which Democratic voter base is next on getting thrown under the ObamaWagon ?

Suggestion for the Obama camp: ECONOMY. Remember, after nearly 2 1/2 years in office (the President assumes responsibility for ALL domestic and International affairs once sworn into office) Mr. Obama announced "The economy was HIS".

@Brianb: As I said. Many Americans are fools. Most though, are not.

Freshieee - How can you say he's a hell of a lot better? What has he done to prove he's better? Has he been business friendly to help lower unemployment? Hasn't he offshored jobs to other countries? Didn't he promise to lower the deficit by half before he ended his first term? Didn't he promise to have the most transparent administration ever? How can you say he's better? He's hired tax cheats, communists and deviants to his administration. How is this better? Maybe you ignore these things, but they don't make him better.

What is wrong with right to work? Shouldn't all people have the right to work and not be forced to join a union that takes money from the employees paycheck? What's wrong with 20% taxcuts? Maybe if the government lowered their spending by 20% it would equal out. Didn't Obama do his tax cuts? What's wrong with Ryan's budget? It lowered spending and made fiscal sense.

It seems to me you have a very distorted view of how this country should be run. Maybe you agree that we should just end it all economically. Tear up the Constitution and run amok into anarchy.

Romney is getting POUNDED!

First by the WSJ, Rupert Murdoch and Jack Welch. Now Romney is being swift boated by of all people, Obama. Wow! Didn't think Obama was tough enough but who knew. Oh yeah, McCain and Hillary knew. This is gonna be a nosebleed election.

To Feisty who wrote:

Mitt Romney said his business investments aren't responsible for outsourcing jobs. Romney's campaign hoped to have the Washington Post retract its story on his outsourcing record. The paper, however, refused, after the Romney camp could provide no credible evidence to contradict the Post's reporting- thinkprogress

Even though the Washington Post refused to retract their story, what did the Washington Post's Fact Checker say about the Obama ad that used the story as evidence of Romney's outsourcing record?

The Obama campaign moved quickly to define what the article said, claiming that this transfer of jobs took place while Romney ran Bain. That’s not what the original article said.

Yet the campaign clearly seized on this report because their interpretation fit with a long-term “outsourcing” attack they have waged against Romney. One of their outsourcing ads before the article ran, in fact, earned Four Pinocchios. These new ads would not fare much better; there is little in the Post article that backs up the Obama campaign’s spin.

(Our colleagues at FactCheck.org have also offered their own analysis of the Obama outsourcing ads and the issues raised in The Post’s article, saying “some of the claims in the ads are untrue, and others are thinly supported.” The Obama campaign did not dispute the details of their analysis, except to once again claim that Romney had an active role in Bain after he left to run the Salt Lake City Olympics in 1999--a claim that FactCheck.org quickly debunked. We came to the same conclusion in January. There is no evidence that Romney played a role in Bain decisions after he left to run the Olympics.)

Don't carry it all - I realize it appears as if I'm angry. Frustration comes across like that. I have a hard time trying to understand the mentality of people who support Obama. If they can't see the damage he's doing to this country they either support the damage, or are completely blind. Why they don't see the march towards socialism we are involved with is beyond the pale. Somehow they are convinced that socialism isn't all that bad of a governing system. What they don't realize is socialism eliminates freedom. History proves that socialism leads to tyranny. I guess some people wouldn't mind being marched around under gun point, being told what to say and believe. What's the most amazing part of all this is.... some people don't think it can happen here... and they couldn't be further from the truth.

The hard part for me is recognizing it and seeing it unfold right before my eyes... while not being able to do anything about it other than object and voice my opinion on how bad it is getting. I feel very much akin to those in the Weinmar republic in the early 30's. They went through this too.

i don't really care about romney that much..he is a good man and a patriot and will be a better president than the chosen one.......the main issue facing americans is getting rid of the obama regime.....send obama back to chicago, or wherever he came from, where he can work on his community organizing skills......and BRIAN B????.....great post....i also have a very hard time understanding how any adult american could possibly support obama....obama has done enough damage to our nation and he is nothing more than a liar, a distorter, a divider, and a destroyer who spends his time pandering for votes.......ROMNEY IN 2012!

Brianb-999431

CNN just reported that if Obama raises taxes on those making greater than $250,000 per year, it will slow down our economy by an additional 1%. Liberals, keep on supporting Obama in all the changes he wants to do to this country. Maybe the liberals want to destroy our economy too.

Got any proof?????

Freshieee - How can you say he's a hell of a lot better? What has he done to prove he's better? Has he been business friendly to help lower unemployment?

He gave tax breaks to small businesses and other corporations. You don't have to be "business-friendly" to reduce unemployment: you need to be ready to spend government money to boost the economy. That is how we got out of the Depression. And by the way, unemployment would be 7.2% had the states not fired public workers.

Hasn't he offshored jobs to other countries? Didn't he promise to lower the deficit by half before he ended his first term? Didn't he promise to have the most transparent administration ever? How can you say he's better? He's hired tax cheats, communists and deviants to his administration. How is this better? Maybe you ignore these things, but they don't make him better.

I don't recall of any offshoring caused by Obama; he offered a deficit reduction plan of $4 trillion based on Simpson-Bowles that the Republicans rejected; and I don't see any tax cheats or Communists on the administration. You seem to remind me of one of those Commie-bashing McCarthyites from the 1950s.

What is wrong with right to work? Shouldn't all people have the right to work and not be forced to join a union that takes money from the employees paycheck?

The main problem with right-to-work, in my opinion, is that once a state goes that way, unions crumble. And I mean crumble. That, and according to the 2011 Economic Institute survey, wages, employer-provided health insurance, and employer-provided pensions in right-to-work states tend to be lower than in non-right-to-work states. Essentially, I think the right-to-work movement is just a ploy to destroy unions, even though they are already on the decline. Besides, while I do think that workers ought to be able to choose whether or not they are in a union, these laws make no sense. They weaken unions, which tend to raise wages for workers due to the threat of unionizing and through negotiations. We don't really need them.

What's wrong with 20% taxcuts? Maybe if the government lowered their spending by 20% it would equal out. Didn't Obama do his tax cuts? What's wrong with Ryan's budget? It lowered spending and made fiscal sense.

While I hate the Bush tax cuts, I cannot believe anyone would support 20% tax cuts right now. For one thing, those tax cuts will increase the deficit by $3.4 trillion, forcing us to take even more draconian steps to reduce the budget deficit. In my opinion, we ought to repeal the Bush tax cuts, raise taxes across the board, reform the tax code and entitlements, and cut defense spending. The Ryan budget ADDS to the deficit because it's spending cuts go to giant tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Even if it doesn't add to the deficit, most of the spending cuts are targeted at vital programs like Medicaid, food stamps, and education. It essentially guts the social safety net while leaving defense spending to grow. It just passes on the cost of Medicare to the retirees while doing the same thing with Medicaid, only to the states. What's wrong with raising taxes AND cutting spending??? And why can't we fix entitlements instead of throwing the whole damn thing to the stupid "free market???"

It seems to me you have a very distorted view of how this country should be run. Maybe you agree that we should just end it all economically. Tear up the Constitution and run amok into anarchy.

This is why I hate the Tea Party, and with that most conservative principles. You guys think that every time liberals and progressives try to regulate an economy and fix sectors like healthcare, it's socialism. OBAMACARE IS NOT SOCIALISM. Government-run healthcare is; a mandate to buy private healthcare isn't. I don't believe in socialism, but I don't believe in laissez-faire economics or that the "free market" is infallible. I believe in using the best of both worlds; having a mostly-private sector economy with some public sector institutions, maybe a 60-40 split. I don't believe that people should make a profit off of other people's suffering (aka private healthcare), or that the states should have the majority of the power in the government (name me three decentralized societies in the modern world that were prosperous). I also don't believe in deregulation or tax cuts; to tell you the truth, I hate both. I don't want to tax everyone to death, but you have admit that we (all Americans) are paying the lowest tax rates in 50 years. And finally, I don't believe that we should tear up the Constitution, but I don't think that we should follow it word-for-word. The founders were great men, but they had no idea of things like derivative markets, special interests, global warming, or universal healthcare. We cannot base our entire nation on a document that is over 200 years old. That is why I say we must have a FLEXIBLE interpretation of the Constitution; loose enough to adapt to modern society, but strict enough to maintain the document's basic concepts. And by the way, the Constitution did not limit the powers of government; it expanded them, but kept them in a limited area.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

It's nice to know that, when Romney loses in November...he still has all those hidden assets salted away in Bermuda to support him. I mean, I'd hate to think he'd have to go back to work throwing American workers out of their jobs and off-shoring those jobs to other countries. It would be damned shame, in fact.

Roy Wilson -

A late answer but I was in a meeting. I dont know where you are getting YOUR information that Rasmussen was accurate in 2010. They did predict earlier than others that Republicans would gain seats, but overall they were very inaccurate.

The NY Times article linked below does NOT compare Rasmussen to other Pollsters but to actual results.

On Tuesday, polls conducted by the firm Rasmussen Reports — which released more than 100 surveys in the final three weeks of the campaign, including some commissioned under a subsidiary on behalf of Fox News — badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates.

Other polling firms, like SurveyUSA and Quinnipiac University, produced more reliable results in Senate and gubernatorial races. A firm that conducts surveys by Internet, YouGov, also performed relatively well.

The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.

fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

I don't know what else to say - you can keep repeating it, but facts are facts. Rassmussen was inaccurate and biased in the 2010 elections.

it is so obvious that Barry is worried why else would just start telling blatant lies..of course we know he has been telling lies for years but he has now moved to a new level. Class warfare is not working as well as he thought it would most likely. His memoirs and extreme envy of Marx and Alinsky will be his undoing. This country needs to go to work not turn into more of a welfare state than it already is. People did not this country get to be the finest in the world because of WORK and capitalism...of course it did...wake up and vote for the return of the working man and business.

Romney 2012

With most all of the Republican-led states frantically putting in place voter restriction laws (note the wording) meant solely to discourage the elderly, the poor and college students (groups who all supported Obama in 2008) from voting in the November elections, along with Obama's bombshell decision to grant amnesty to all U.S.-born persons born to illegal aliens, I can't see old Windsock Romney losing the election. Oh, and look at his two leading VP candidates, one is a black woman, and the other a young, Latin-American man. Wow, Slick Willy....pandering much??

I'm actually going to be one of the first people to be on here after Romney's first hundred days in office to gloat and say "I told you so" when Romney's promises of stellar job growth and his "looking out for the Middle Class" are proven to be little more than hot air from a man who knows nothing about what it's like to have no home, no job, no prospects....no hope!! He thinks that giving tax breaks to businesses, deregulation, reducing taxes for the wealthy will create jobs. The only thing that he may actually do (if the Senate goes Republican majority) that would definitely spur jobs is to eliminate the minimum wage laws.

He'll say, "Hey, there are plenty of jobs out there, Mr. Unemployed Guy....you just have to have 2 or 3 of them to afford the basics....good luck living on $3/hr.!!" As the wealthy laugh their a$$es off, all the way to the bank.

I'll tell you the truth, I'm actually looking forward to seeing how his administration reacts when the "common man, woman and child" has had enough of the scraps from the rich man's table and is not willing to be taken advantage of any longer. The revolt is coming, Mitt, old chat!! Will you react like Nixon did at Kent State University way back when? Hmmmm....I wonder!

Freshieee made the following comment based on mine:

CNN just reported that if Obama raises taxes on those making greater than $250,000 per year, it will slow down our economy by an additional 1%. Liberals, keep on supporting Obama in all the changes he wants to do to this country. Maybe the liberals want to destroy our economy too.

Got any proof?????

Proof of what? That CNN reported it? Or that liberals want to destroy the economy too? You have to be more specific.

And by the way, unemployment would be 7.2% had the states not fired public workers.

Got any proof? What about those that have fallen off the unemployment rolls? Do you include those individuals in your numbers? Or don't they count? Why should they in the opinion of a liberal? They are insignificant, eh Freshieee?

By that last comment of yours Freshieee, I can see you are a heartless liberal elite that believes everyone that doesn't share your opinion of events or circumstances belongs in the nether region. You will do everything in your power to spin, lie, and obfuscate someone that doesn't share your hallowed opinion of the failure Obama.

Obama has brought this country to it's economic knees.

Brianb -- As a Democrat I certainly understand frustration. Bush had me very frustrated.

Anyway Brianb, it's Friday, hope you have a good weekend. Politics aside.

Freshieee said: name me three decentralized societies in the modern world that were prosperous

I don't have to name 3. I will name one. The United States of America. We are becoming very unprosperous due to increased government involvement in the private sector. Do you know how many regulations the government imposed on private sector businesses last year? Over 2000. Now you may applaud that but for every regulation the government imposes, it restricts the hands of business owners.

You and I fundamentally disagree on many things. You seem to support larger government. I support smaller government. Government needs to be limited to 2 roles... security and protection of the populace. We live in a time where we soon won't be able to purchase a soft drink larger than 16 ounces. If you don't think government is getting repressive than never come out from under the rock you reside.

Brianb -- Do you know how many business have their hand out for government support?

Virginia's Eric Cantor will face Democrat war vet Wayne Powell, with the help of Dave “Mudcat” Saunders:

“This is a national campaign. It can go viral,” he says. If Mudcat has anything to do with it, it will.

Powell, a political novice like many who have gone before him– to name a few, Tom Periello, Don Beyer, Linwood Holton—offers an alternative to the legions who just plain don’t like Eric Cantor. Mudcat believes that Powell has the two essentials for a politician that Cantor lacks: a sense of justice and belief in equality. Those two characteristics are what every politician needs, not just to get elected, but to also serve in office.

Mudcat said he was inspired to sign on to the Powell campaign after a call from Fergie Reid, the still rabid Henrico Democrat who, like Powell, faced a tough campaign as a black candidate for the House of Delegates in 1965. He won against enormous odds.

Warren Stewart, a school superintendent and Cantor’s opponent in his first re-election campaign, used as his inspiration the children’s book, “The Little Engine That Could.” After only two years in DC, Cantor didn’t have much of a Congressional record to go after. He does now. Mudcat gleefully laid out some of the Powell plans to the Chesterfield Dems.

Favorites of Cantor are flag-waving and Constitution-quoting, Mudcat said. However, in that department, Cantor will have a hard time matching Colonel Wayne Powell, a 30- year US Army veteran and the father of Major Sean Powell.Dave “Mudcat” Saunders

To learn about the Mudcat philosophy of campaigning, you can read the book he wrote with Steve Jarding, manager of Mark Warner’s successful campaign for Governor in 2001. “Foxes in the Henhouse: How the Republicans Stole the South and the Heartland, and What the Democrats Must Do to Run’em Out” got good reviews.

In 2006, Mudcat used his tactics as a senior advisor to Jim Webb in his U. S. Senate Campaign.

Pass the popcorn.

Brianb-999431

Freshieee made the following comment based on mine:

CNN just reported that if Obama raises taxes on those making greater than $250,000 per year, it will slow down our economy by an additional 1%. Liberals, keep on supporting Obama in all the changes he wants to do to this country. Maybe the liberals want to destroy our economy too.

Got any proof?????

Proof of what? That CNN reported it? Or that liberals want to destroy the economy too? You have to be more specific.

I meant a website that I could go on to see the results.

And by the way, unemployment would be 7.2% had the states not fired public workers.

Got any proof? What about those that have fallen off the unemployment rolls? Do you include those individuals in your numbers? Or don't they count? Why should they in the opinion of a liberal? They are insignificant, eh Freshieee?

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/06/economic-crosscurrents/. As for those who have fallen off the unemployment rolls, they do count. Not in the statistic I stated above, but in total unemployment, under U-6 statistics. They are not insignificant, Brianb, and anyone who thinks that way is an idiot. Those are people; human beings who have thrown to the wind and dumped into the lap of poverty while some Americans live in luxury, including those who ruined the economy.

By that last comment of yours Freshieee, I can see you are a heartless liberal elite that believes everyone that doesn't share your opinion of events or circumstances belongs in the nether region. You will do everything in your power to spin, lie, and obfuscate someone that doesn't share your hallowed opinion of the failure Obama.

Heartless liberal, eh??? Nice name. Cruel, though, and not correct. I am not heartless; but I will tell you one secret: my emotions are stone-cold to conservatives and libertarians. In a way, I am heartless, but only because of the @!$%# that I've seen on the right side of the political spectrum. Yes, there are problems on the left as well, with Clinton participating in the deregulatory spiral and my side being spineless in their attitudes over the past few years, but the right has dropped to a new low. They did NOTHING to help the economy after January of 2009. 15 of them even plotted to sabotage Obama via obstruction on his own inauguration day. Read into that. And finally, part of my ideological stubbornness is because I have seen no such thing as a "compassionate conservative." I frankly haven't. Maybe if I see one I will at least accept conservatism as an ideology. But that does not seem likely.... And I do lie. I also try to seek the truth. I cannot recall me telling a lie about Obama, but that does seem plausible.

Obama has brought this country to it's economic knees.

No, the presidents over the past 3 decades did. Obama is merely trying to dig us out of the mess, like Reagan did after Carter or Clinton did after Bush 41.

The ignorance level from the libs is alive and kicking on this thread.

The lack of knowledge on the topic of Bain or on business in general is astounding. Top that off with lunatic rantings of some of the lib geniuses and you've got the makings for an entire book of falsehoods and regurgitated lib talking points. This is the flavor of the day huh libs? What will it be when the country grasps the fact that again your messiah has lied to you and the country?

barack hussein obama, a pathological lying, flip flopper that has been proven time and time again to be full of no substance but plenty of bull crap. It's amazing that no matter how much horse manure he puts on a plate, his sheep just keep slurping it up and saying "thank you mr president can we please have some more". Well, get used to it my little liberal barack flock because if you keep following fools like barack that's going to sum up the rest of your lives. On your knees now, hands out, okay now beg for your rations.

barack followers and what they DON'T know could fill the library of congress.

What will the flavor be tomorrow barack minions? The unemployment rate, 20 million going to prop up Jordan schools, 28 billion going overseas to "green energy", 40% increase in food stamp issue, the democrat congressmen and women that have foreign bank accounts, how about exploration and utilization of our natural resources here in America, maybe the largest tax on the middle class in history aka obama(no)care? Don't hold your breath, libs don't like talking about anything that seriously matters to this country. Hey libs, I know, why don't you guys start spending all of your time researching the fact that Romney owns Italian suits and therefor supports foreign economy's.

Why isn't debbie schultz or pelosi screaming about off shore bank accounts? Hmmm, Liberals in this country are absolutely pathetic.

Skippy "Boy" Nicholson and all the liberals posting who bash Romney for being a 1%er. Guess what, Obama is a 1%er too. I wonder how Obama made his millions. Can you say the word hypocrit?

The reason Romney doesn't want to release his tax returns is that they will show beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was still in control of Bain after he says he was gone, and everyone will know for sure he is lying about when he left.

raleigh, Obama's tax returns show clearly that he made most of his millions from his book sales. Obama actually released his tax returns because he has nothing to hide.

Phine - God bless you and your family. My thoughts are with you and I wish you only the best.

When things go wrong as they sometimes will,
When the road you’re trudging seems all uphill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit
Rest if you must, but don’t you quit.
Success is failure turned inside out,
The silver tint on the clouds of doubt,
And you can never tell how close you are,
It may be near when it seems afar.
So, stick to the fight when you’re hardest hit
It’s when things go wrong that you mustn’t quit.
Unknown

All the Best, Phine.....

The Left lost thier last semblence of reason with you leaving.

As far as I can tell, there are not too many left that are intellectually honest with themselves, or with others.

I hardly ever agreed with you, but I respected you.

One of the few who wasn't a total blind partisan hack.

I wish you well with whatever the health thing is that some others mentioned.

California Tom

Mitt Romney your a liar. Your campaign people are liars. Your Fox News people are liars. blah blah

Tom, move out of mom and dad's basement, finish High School and try to use proper grammar. Then, find a job! Should be easy now that Obama has been President for four miserable years.

Brianb-999431

Freshieee said: name me three decentralized societies in the modern world that were prosperous

I don't have to name 3. I will name one. The United States of America. We are becoming very unprosperous due to increased government involvement in the private sector. Do you know how many regulations the government imposed on private sector businesses last year? Over 2000. Now you may applaud that but for every regulation the government imposes, it restricts the hands of business owners.

While regulations do have a negative effect, and we probably are in need of some regulatory oversight, the reason why our economy is in the dumps is actually quite the opposite; the government has been too lax when it comes to finance and housing. We let things grow too big until we had to bail them out. Not all regulations are necessary, but not all are unnecessary. Regulations may restrict business, but they protect society from corporate interests and externalities. Sometimes, there are good reasons to slow down economic growth...

You and I fundamentally disagree on many things. You seem to support larger government. I support smaller government. Government needs to be limited to 2 roles... security and protection of the populace. We live in a time where we soon won't be able to purchase a soft drink larger than 16 ounces. If you don't think government is getting repressive than never come out from under the rock you reside.

I believe in smarter government, which in some cases is larger than what it is now. If government is limited to two roles, than that restricts how the government can fix economies after a recession or educate the population. Your statement of "protect the population" is very vague, as is security; banning 16 oz. soda drinks can be construed as protection against obesity and diabetes. Regulating corporations and providing a safety net for the poor can protect people from poverty or from externalities that companies may produce. I believe that government has a big role to play in life, not in an authoritarian way but as a way to ensure economic prosperity and, among other things, health safety. And by the way, we tried decentralized government with the Articles of Confederation; things were a mess. That is why we created the Constitution; to expand the role of the central government while keeping it within certain boundaries. And we cannot expect to thrive as a society by interpreting the Constitution word for word. We must adapt our interpretation of that document in order to adapt with modern society. That, my good friend, is a fact.

Nicely done humor with satire thrown in, cheers!

Awesome BW! You created a couple of "milk-out-the-nose" moments.

LOL, BW. Cheers!

-The female vagina is the rightful property of the male legislator

In 1994, Romney was pro-choice to win a Senate seat in Massachusetts.

In 1999, Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney founded, invested $75 million in Stericycle, a medical-waste disposal firm that disposed aborted fetuses collected from family planning clinics.

In 2012, Romney becomes pro-life to appear "severly conservative" to his base.

Sadly I'm afraid you aren't that far from the truth.

It's the ABSURDITY that's so damn funny. It's real.

Some people like blackandwhitecat do not get this is a discussion board. This means to post a point and then prepare to have an exchange of ideas on that point. Writing a book is a waste of time as most people including me just skip over it. Get a clue.

Do you liberals really sit around and worry about this stuff? Come on guys the country has survived for hundreds of years with out Obama. I'm sure we make it thru the next 4 with out him.....

BlackcatWhitecat:

Excellent post. The truth of your only slightly exaggerated observations is that the GOP is now sporting a completely fascist agenda: money matters more than people, the military must be expanded at all costs - even if that means going back on their agreement for automatic cuts for all agencies, and "odd people" are out - because good fascists must have somebody to demonize (such as gays, "illegals", and "abortionist" planned parenthood). And of course - lie - tell some big whoppers. Lie that the Affordable Care Act is a "government takeover of healthcare" when in fact it provides ONLY for privately financed care for those not poor enough for medicaid. Lie that it costs billions of dollars, when in fact the reasonable CBO estimates are that it will be either a net gain for the government bottom line or at worst a push. Lie that Obama is not enforcing the border when in fact he has committed greater resources to the border than Bush did. Lie that Obama busted the budget when in fact the wars and tax cuts of Bush combined with the depression Obama inherited busted the budget long before Obama took the oath. Lie that Obama has increased taxes when in fact Obama has LOWERED taxes. Lie that the "job creators" just can't hire because of uncertaintly in the tax code when in fact that worst the wealthy will have to pay in taxes in the next few years will be the same rates they paid under CLINTON - during one of the greatest expansions in our economic history.

Wow, I guess liberals are easily entertained. By the way Blackcat, satire is supposed to humorously exaggerate the truth. You printed a multitude of lies and the post was outright fiction but if it entertains the sheep and it's labeled correctly in the fiction section I guess that's fine. You guys just keep that hope alive...you're going to need it.

Larry-314720

Some people like blackandwhitecat do not get this is a discussion board. This means to post a point and then prepare to have an exchange of ideas on that point. Writing a book is a waste of time as most people including me just skip over it. Get a clue.

Shame on you for never having read a book, you must be a republican or you would know that a book has many pages and a number of chapters. I read your bio and it sounded more like bigotry to me.

Rightwingwac

Wow, I guess liberals are easily entertained. By the way Blackcat, satire is supposed to humorously exaggerate the truth. You printed a multitude of lies ..

No, satire is used to expose lies and a multitude of other sins through humor, wit and exaggeration. Remedial English 101 for you.

Great information Jody, thanks as always.

Gasp - could MaoZeObama be a rereg of banned ComardeObama, a rereg of banned JamesinSeattle, a rereg of banned JasonNYC. Considering this ludicrous list originates from ComradeObama, my guess is YES to all the above.

my guess is YES to all the above.

BINGO!

We have a winner - give the man a Kewpie Doll!

Notice how the nut job from NJ is eerily quite - while she was dogging others other the weekend?

There’s General Electric, whose CEO Jeffrey Immelt has served as chair of the advisory board since January 2011. Since Immelt took over GE in 2001, the company has lost 37,000 American jobs, and added 25,000 jobs overseas, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission

MaoZeObama - oh you really need to try to keep up! GE is building 4 micro centers - manufacturing - back in the US by 2014. They will bring a minimum of 50% of their manufacturing back to the US.

Got anything else?

Obama/Biden 2012

MaoZeObama

Let's peruse some of the Kenyan's highlights:

Alright Mao, I'm going to deconstruct and then debase your argument bit by bit. And by the way, I believe you copy and pasted this list from another guy, maybe your alter ego ComradeObama...

1) universal health care for all sponges (Intial Estimate: 900 Million Reality: 1.7 Trillion)

Technically, universal healthcare would cover ALL Americans; the ACA exempts about 20 million. And I believe you meant to say "Billion" instead of "Million." By the way, most countries have universal healthcare, and over there (especially in, wait-for-it, "socialist Europe"), costs are down and efficiency/quality are up. France has the world's best healthcare system.

2) income redistribution

Well, considering that the past 33 years has been dedicated to concentrating wealth at the top, I think a little working/middle class payback is in the cards. We have the most unequal distribution of wealth in the industrialized world; ain't that something to be proud of???

3) first presidnet in history downgraded

Actually, Obama had a $4 trillion deficit reduction plan based off of the bipartisan Simpson-Bowles commission. But Boehner couldn't garner the votes, even though the deal was (even after Obama moved the goal posts) 3:1 in favor of spending cuts.

4) fast and furious

Started by the Bush administration. Is at least an attempt to recognize the fact that thousands of guns are shipped from the US to Mexico.

5) keystone pipeline pass

Are you kidding??? Unless that pipeline is built on a safer pathway and we get 50% of the oil, the Canadians can go stick it up their own asses. Why should we take the environmental risk while they get to export all the oil??

6) Solynda

A single blip in an widely-successful alternative energy portfolio.

7) spread of socialism

Ha, so raising taxes on the wealthy by 3.6 points, creating 4.4 million PRIVATE SECTOR jobs, and telling everyone that they must take individual responsibility (a conservative concept) to buy PRIVATE health insurance is socialist??? Then that makes the far right Republican Party fascist Nazis.

8) most on food stamps in history

9) most on welfare in history

Thanks to the biggest conservative-caused recession in history.

10) Nobel Prize

11) Free DVDs to the British Prime Minsiter

Don't see the point in commenting on these.

12) apologizing for everything expect his failings

Politifact rated that as 2010's "Lie of the Year," courtesy of Mitt Romney.

12) securing the Olympics in Chicago

Don't care about that. Bush secured funds for a particle collider center in Texas.

13) shovel read jobs

4.4 million of 'em.

14) Gas up over 100%

Because of the recovery and the Iran crisis. I don't see you complaining when gas was at it's highest in decades in the summer of 2008 under Bush???

15) For the 50% that pay taxes (not most of you here) Jan 1 --> Apr 17 goes to taxes

Actually, 53% of Americans pay the INCOME tax; only 18.1% don't pay any federal taxes. 10.3% are the elderly; 6.9% are below the poverty level; and only 0.9% of Americans are eligible to pay taxes but don't.

16) Unemployment rate

Down from 2009 peak and would have been lower had states kept their public workers...

17) poverty up among CHILDREN 22% since he took office (guess who this impacts most?)

Thanks to the recession and would be lower had Obama had help from Congress.

18) violated war powers act

Don't have much info on that...

19) Failed To Enforce Existing Immigration Laws

Deported record number of illegal immigrants, even more than Bush...

OBAMA BIDEN 2012