The expalanation is in the First Read story, if you would take the time to read it before you re-post the same cut and paste garbage you have been posting all day, Red.

See, There is no "there" there, as First Read admits:

Yes, Romney may very well have given up day-to-day operations of Bain Capital in 1999; as the Romney campaign puts it, he was devoted full-time to the Olympics.

But that won't stop you, your minions and MSNBC from trying to create a story out of nothing.

I guess if my candidate was Obama, I would do anything I could to deflect from his record of failure as well.

Red Sox,

Romney was invited by the NAACP.

The NRA did not invite President Obama.

Someone said the Minutes of meetings at Bain for those three years would give a clearer picture on whether Romney had any say in business decisions during that time period. Maybe someone will release them.

But that won't stop you, your minions and MSNBC from trying to create a story out of nothing.

Hang tight WCA!

SpankMe will be here shortly, you really shouldn't travel alone!

You suck when you don't have a skirt to hide behind! ;o)

The expalanation is in the First Read story

Maybe YOU should take the time to use spell check in your haste to defend Willard's dirty dealings! lol

RedSoxRule

I suppose he could speak to the NRA, America's version of a terrorist organization. President Obama has met with Putin, Karzai and all kinds of unsavory characters, why not those gun pushers?

Amy, you mean to say that Obama has been schooled by Putin, Karzai etc.. More examples of his lack of leadership ability.

Glad to see you call people who believe in the constitution terrorists. I guess we know where you stand on American values.

Well Feisty, I see you are getting desperate. Worrying about typos and spelling?

That's all you got?

Epic Fail Red.

Hang in there though, I'm sure your buddies will be here soon to try to cover for you.

Better come up with some new material, cuz it's gonna be a long 4 months for you Obamabots.

Well Feisty, I see you are getting desperate

Desperate? lmao

You're the one stalking me...

Moron!

NRA, America's version of a terrorist organization

Amy, you have really, and I mean really, gone 'round the bend.

Moron!

Point proven Feisty. Desperate. Game, Set, Match.

Thanks for playing.

Sorta like Dr. Mengle leaving Auschwitz. Mengele was not responsible for anything after he left. I completely understand Mr. Romney's position.

Q: What's the difference between a Democrat and a catfish?
A: One is an ugly, scum sucking bottom-feeder and the other is a fish.

Obama/Biden 2012

Red Sox,

La Raza invited Mitt Romney to speak so why did the brave old sloe turn them down?

More examples of his lack of leadership ability.

Tell it to Mubarack, Qaddafy and bin Laden. And President Obama got rid of these thugs without shedding American lives or treaure. Would that Bush had taken Saddam down so efficiently.

Tell me Carry - why should anyone release any records when our government won't release documents. Obama won't release documents concerning his college or education records... but yet you crazy liberals want to live by a double standard that requires Romney to release his records. Maybe you should think before you post.

The NRA doesn't have the balls to invite the President. Gave up my membership a long time time ago.

@ white collar auto

Terrorists use homemade bombs to create a climate of fear for political ends. The NRA uses the 2nd Amendment to create fear about voting for Democrats for their political ends. It seems to me that some in Conservative high places have praised the methods of the former.

The NRA did not invite President Obama.

I don't think those folks like the President. They have this crazy idea that he wants their guns.

If a single mother wants government assistance, she's got to provide paystubbs and tax returns. If a bank wants to be bailed out by tax payers, it's got to be transparent about it dealings. If a candidate wants to be President of the United States, he's got to prove he came by his fortune honestly, and paid the appropriate taxes.

Oooops! Forgot to replace Democrat with Repubican...

An awkward moment...

Again, RedSuxRule lies big time. Even more than Willard does.

It is pretty sad when Obama's main campaign is built on a lie. LOL

Will the obstruction Senate follow? Doubtful due to the wimpy leadership of Reid and the rest of the obstruction liberals that have also failed to pass any of the 30 jobs bills passed by the house!

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/gops-claim-house-passed-30-jobs-bills-bogus

Mitt trying to run away from something disturbing.

Liar Liar Mitt on fire.

For a minute there, GT, I thought you're avatar had been hacked. It's been known to happen!

Amy,

You forgot one very important item that all three of your examples would need, in one way or another. A Photo ID. See where I going with this?

Brianb -- That suggestion came from an article I read this morning on this issue. I'm only repeating it.

It's a decision for Bain/Romney to make.

LOL GT -- @!$%# happens!

totas, as usual you are going nowhere with your comment. Amy is correct and yes, they have to provide a LOT of documentation. It's pretty obvious to me that you don't deal with people that need assistance from the government but like to project and comment about the type of people that do.

Amy, dearest, perhaps you could define terrorist organization for us.

You know, so we can try to understand where you are coming from.

Wait, from ThinkProgress, which apparently does all your critical thinking.

Nevermind.

No problem GT. It happens when you have no thoughts of your own and you cut and paste. I hope you will never chastise others now for cutting and pasting. I am not saying you ever did, just saying I trust you won't.

Yo Layton - I volunteer every week at a clinic that provides free legal services to the poor.

As part of that service I fill out forms that ask for income, citizenship and a bunch of other stuff.

I assure you the services are provided regardless of income, citizenship or anything other than need.

Then again, every single person at Holder's little speech the other day, and every single appearance by Obama has to show valid picture ID.

Racists, right?

RedSoxRule

It is pretty sad when Obama's main campaign is built on a lie. LOL

birth certificate anyone?

Dont_carry_it_all

Someone said the Minutes of meetings at Bain for those three years would give a clearer picture on whether Romney had any say in business decisions during that time period. Maybe someone will release them.

tax returns would work nicely, too

See, There is no "there" there, as First Read admits:

Yes, Romney may very well have given up day-to-day operations of Bain Capital in 1999; as the Romney campaign puts it, he was devoted full-time to the Olympics.

But that won't stop you, your minions and MSNBC from trying to create a story out of nothing.

Oh...so, basically, WCA, you're telling us that Mr. Romney was nothing more than a figurehead at Bain Capital?

Yeah, Bain is/was bad, blah, blah, blah.

Meanwhile June's deficit was $60 billion.

Which is 'only' $17 billion worse than June '11.

Yep, Obama sure has got this ship pointed in the right direction.

So what were you all saying about what happened in a private company over 12 years ago?

Shoot I remember just a few years ago when Obama promised us he'd cut the deficit in half in his first term.

Liar, liar, pants on fire and all that, right?

Oh...so, basically, WCA, you're telling us that Mr. Romney was nothing more than a figurehead at Bain Capital?

there goes Romney's only claim...poor bastard

Nope - Mass had a fantastic unemployment rate during his tenure.

Oh and he's not governing the US, which just blew out the old deficit record.

San Bernardino, San Jose, Scranton, Greece, Italy...insolvency is a real bitch.

Spanky -- Let's see who is more conservative with spending. Look to today's tax bills by both Dem and Reps.

Dems bill was going to cost 29 Billion.

Reps bill was going to cost 46 Billion.

BTW Both bills failed.

Minutes earlier, the GOP version was turned aside 73-24.

In an embarrassment to the Republican bill's original author in the House, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., 21 Republican senators — nearly half — voted against it. Several Republicans said they were unhappy that the $46 billion measure was not paid for — meaning it would boost budget deficits — and that it complicated the tax code at a time when many lawmakers want to simplify it by erasing some tax breaks.

The Democratic bill would give tax credits of up to $500,000 this year to companies that enlarge their payrolls over 2011 levels. It would also let firms deduct the entire cost of some major equipment purchases this year under the tax code's "bonus depreciation" rules, doubling the current 50 percent deduction available.

Democrats said the measure would create 990,000 jobs, citing a study they requested from a private consulting firm. The White House said 2 million companies that hire new workers or give raises would benefit.

Republicans said it wouldn't go far enough, and have called for more dramatic legislation preventing income tax rates from rising in January on all earners and avoiding a steep increase in taxes on estates and businesses that family members inherit.

Overall, the Democrats' measure had a 10-year price tag of $29 billion. It, too, would be paid for by making federal deficits even larger.

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-rejects-dem-gop-business-tax-cut-bills-194017409.html

Yo Spanky! (gag)

Yo Layton - I volunteer every week at a clinic that provides free legal services to the poor.

I believe I was talking to totas but you weighed in. FREE legal services are not FREE. Yes, a lot of services are provided without all of the documentation, i.e., medical and legal (can you say BLOCK GRANTS?) But in order to receive Medicaid and Food Stamps, it takes a lot of paper to get that going. You don't get them because you just walk in and want them.

"Dont_carry_it_all"

Oh, there you go again...confusing them by not playing along with the GOP's "We're Fiscally Conservative, You're Not" manifesto.

You know...kinda like asking why President Obama didn't do anything about the Simpson-Bowles recommendations when the supermajority that would have given a formal endorsement of the plan was not met thanks to the "NO" votes by Paul Ryan, Jeb Hensarling and Dave Camp.

...or like pointing out that last summer the GOP rejected the "Grand Bargain" on the debt ceiling in favor of a smaller package of spending cuts.

layton,

I know I am going to regret this, but what the heck.

Amy,

You forgot one very important item that all three of your examples would need, in one way or another. A Photo ID. See where I going with this

totas, as usual you are going nowhere with your comment. Amy is correct and yes, they have to provide a LOT of documentation. It's pretty obvious to me that you don't deal with people that need assistance from the government but like to project and comment about the type of people that do.

How is it obvious? Please enlighten me.

thetotas:

The difference is that your VOTE is a Constitutionally protected right. What the Republicans are doing is purely voter suppression of groups that they think will not vote for them.

In other words, they don't think they can win this election, unless they steal it.

Sad, right?

the totas, what was obvious to me is that you wouldn't have raised a question as to "see where I am going with this" if you actually worked with people who are in need of assistance. That being said, why don't you explain to all of us where you were going with your comment. Flush it out ... make a statement ... would love to read it.

"The larger truth about Romney and Bain"

The larger truth is that Romney is much better educated than Obama, possessing a Harvard JD cum laude and a Harvard MBA (top 5% - Harvard's Baker Scholar) earned simultaneously.

The larger truth is that Romney's non political life, his amazing record of creating wealth for investors, wealth for union pensions, etc. is much more accomplished than Obama's community organizing and writing 2 books about himself.

The larger truth is that Romney has much more to offer than a community organizers understanding of economics.

If you want community organizing, someone pitting one group against another, someone promising everything with no conscience or ability to deliver, someone desperately trying to deflect from his own epic failures with boggus issues such as dogs on roofs, being a meanie once when he wasin high school, cookies, car elevators, trustee managed retirement fund in the Caymans, doughnuts / this bs story .... if you want 4 more years of this type of defections / crap along 4 more years of the worst recovery since the 30s (if not another recession) - vote for Obama.

If you want someone who has a clue how business works, understands economics, has been a remarkable success ... if you want at least even a change for job growth instead of the growth of big government, entitlements and debt - vote for Romney.

The larger truth is .... that is what it simply comes down to.

Spanky-

Nope - Mass had a fantastic unemployment rate during his tenure.

compared to what? Post-Katrina Louisiana?????? sorry spanko, 46 states did better creating jobs.....

Ummm, bob? Your President graduated Magna Cum Laude.

And here is a little hint for you that the right wing seems mystified about: The Federal Government is not a business. That is, unless business can do things like declare war on its enemies and bomb the snot out of them.

I thought that had been proven rather spectacularly when George Bush was in office.

Meanwhile June's deficit was $60 billion.

Which is 'only' $17 billion worse than June '11.

Maybe they matter only when your party isn't the one in the White House.

I "Reagan," Vice President Dick Cheney famously declared in 2002, "proved deficits don't matter." Unless, that is, a Democrat is in the White House. After all, while Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt and George W. Bush doubled it again, each Republican was rewarded with a second term in office. But as the Gallup polling data show, concern over the federal deficit hasn't been this high since Democratic budget balancer Bill Clinton was in office. All of which suggest the Republicans' born-again disdain for deficits ranks among the greatest - and most successful - political double-standards in recent memory

“Remind them of this, if they want more free stuff from the government tell them to go vote for the other guy — more free stuff. But don’t forget nothing is really free.” Mitt Romney

Is that right Mitt? What about the cheap labor for your yard? What about the low hourly wage for workers?

What about slaves? Didn't they work for FREE while the aristocrats got rich?!!

What about Super Bowl and World Series tickets? Rich people get these tix FREE.

Bob Cesca: Whether or not this was prepared ahead of time doesn’t really matter — although it seemed spontaneous. Romney totally dunked his bulbous noggin into the repulsive “welfare queens” meme by deciding that the best way to respond to being booed by African Americans is to suggest they’re only interested in voting for the candidate who will give them free stuff. It’s the most insidious brand of Republican politics — the assumption that blacks are lazy and shiftless, sucking off the government teat instead of working hard and earning a living without the immoral use of food stamps, welfare and, clearly, Obamacare.

All of this coming from a candidate who exploits massive tax loopholes and off shore accounts to enhance his income. Romney’s friends in corporate America are actually far more guilty of receiving free stuff. The following numbers are a few years old, but just as telling:

About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.

When you see a spiffy white guy in the tailored suit (sort of like Mitt Romney) talking into his Bluetooth Deep Space Nine earpiece, it’s very likely he’s the welfare queen on his way to cast a ballot for a Republican sugar daddy. Most of the corporations that receive handouts from the government, like Big Oil, are earning record profits and don’t even need the money. In fact, a couple months ago, Senate Republicans blocked the elimination of $20 billion in oil subsidies to obviously starving corporations like BP, Exxon-Mobil and Chevron. The top five biggest welfare queens in this sector earned over a trillion dollars in profits during 2011. And yet they need your money.

The NAACP crowd weren’t clamoring for free stuff. They, like most of us, want to live in a nation where getting sick or injured won’t bankrupt them. They booed Mitt Romney because he insisted upon repealing a law that helps Americans to get medical treatment without going broke — a law that’s very similar to the law that Romney himself signed in Massachusetts. So they booed **** policy and a hypocritical, lying Republican who predictably reacted by leaning on the Southern Strategy switch. Romney deserved it — and a lot more.

*************

Romney is getting his freedom - free- while others fight wars for him and his sons. The free loaders fight his wars instead of his sons.

A despicable despicable man. His speech yesterday was a joke.

Yo Spankyster, President Obama saved American Taxpayers $900,000 a couple days ago, by sending OBL driver & cook to Sudan!

Now he has Only about 190 more to get Gitmo closed, so American Taxpayers can save about $200,000,000 more a Year!

It Only cost Taxpayers $900,000 a Year, Per Prisoner for thier Carribean Vacations!

KEEP SAVING US $$$$$$$$$ President Obama!

Get Rid of All of'em, then when they wanna choose to get back on the Battlefield, You can tak'em out with a $1,000,000 SmartBomb (a 1 Time charge)!

President Barrack Hussien Obama, saving Taxpayers lotsa Moolah!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Lawrence O'Donnell tweet:

Romney drops the L word on Obama. Really? The worst liar in campaign history calls opponent a liar? Ok tonight whole show is Romney's lies.

MSNBC - The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell. 10:00pm

must read: Newt gingrich: " Taxation with misrepresentation"

correction: "No taxation with misrepresentation"

still didn't quote the correct story: : "No taxation BY misrepresentation"

Western freepress.com

Brianb- let's see, every Presidential candidate in our lifetime has been required to release their tax records. No one has been required to release their school records.

But, suffice it to say you don't graduate from Columbia and Harvard, and head Harvard Law Review without having a great deal of intelligence.

Your stupidity - and desperation - as usual, is showing!

Obama/Biden 2012

No Taxation by Misrepresentation!

June 29 2012 by David Leeper | View other posts by David Leeper

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From 1763-1775, the rallying cry in the colonies was: No Taxation without Representation!

In 2012, our rallying cry should now be: No Taxation by Misrepresentation!

Not only did PPACA (Obamacare) pass Congress without any mention of the word “tax”, its defenders have emphatically denied that the law’s “mandates” represent taxation. Had the funding for the bill been presented as a tax increase, it would almost certainly have failed.

Incredibly, Chief Justice Roberts accepted the Government’s argument that the “mandate” is after all just a tax (wink, wink), and consequently the Government has the Constitutional authorization it needs to fund PPACA through taxation. Thus the SCOTUS majority effectively rewrote the bill, “deeming” it to say something that it does not, and then declaring as Constitutional a bill that does not even exist! I would have never believed such a thing could happen in the Supreme Court.

As noted by John Eastman, a Constitutional scholar:

• A Constitutional tax bill must originate in the House. The reason is that the Framers wanted tax increases to be launched only by those who would most immediately be facing re-election. But PPACA originated in the Senate. Strike 1.
• A Constitutional tax must be an income, excise, or direct tax, and there are rules that must be followed for each. Clearly the PPACA tax is neither an income nor an excise tax, so it must be a direct tax. But Constitutionally, a direct tax must be apportioned by population. The PPACA tax is not apportioned by population. Strike 2.
• Even without these explicit violations of the Constitution, by the rule of reason and good faith, Congress can vote for taxation only via legislation that explicitly calls that taxation by its proper name — a tax — in full view of the voters. Congress and PPACA did not do that. Strike 3.

How could any Justice, let alone the Chief Justice, ignore all this? By voting as Roberts and the majority did, our own Supreme Court has aided and abetted a massive fraud on the American people. This should be the stuff of novels, not real life.

Normally, one can seek redress for fraud through the courts. Where does one go when the highest court in the land aids, abets, and virtually commits the fraud?

For the minority opinion, Justice Kennedy wrote:

… to say that the Individual Mandate merely imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it. Judicial tax-writing is particularly troubling.

Right on. The entire law should have been rejected and offered back to Congress either for the trash bin or for editing and a re-vote by elected representatives in full view of We-the-People. Has Roberts no shame at all?

Many Conservatives are so disappointed in Roberts that they are frantically concocting explanations and rationalizations for his astounding malfeasance.

One wretched contrivance argues that Roberts’ real motive was, somehow, to protect the integrity, balance, and honor of SCOTUS itself. Really? How does aiding and abetting a gargantuan national fraud do that?

Another rationalization argues that Roberts is cleverly giving Conservatives a “Remember-the-Alamo” loss that will so anger and energize Americans that they will throw Obama and his neo-Marxist, redistributionist entourage right out of Washington. But if SCOTUS is politically gaming its rulings to that extent, how can we count on SCOTUS in the future? If there is any government branch that should play it straight, surely it is SCOTUS.

The bottom line is that SCOTUS has ruled PPACA to be Constitutional by deeming the bill to be something that it is not. The SCOTUS decision is an Orwellian absurdity and a stain on SCOTUS that will remain until long after we’re all gone.

Memo to Chief Justice Roberts: Et tu Brute? With this betrayal and breach of the Framers’ final bulwark of protection for Constitutionally limited government, all we have have left is the ballot box. In November, we must win a new President and Congress, and we must exercise eternal diligence thereafter. The Left will never quit, and neither should we.

Pass the word: No Taxation by Misrepresentation!

SeekingSanity - Please show me where it is REQUIRED for every Presidential Candidate to release their TAX records? There is no legal requirement, candidates for public office must submit a Financial Disclosure but not tax records. There have been 4 or 5 who have not released their tax records during my life time.

Rick - I just got back from Happy hour, so help a brother out. $90,000 is what percent of $4 billion?

See, you say Obama saved $90k, but when compared to the amount of new debt, that's peanuts.

Oh and bayllie - again - too much Captain Morgan, but tell me, which is better 4.95 unemployment or 8.2%?

See how this works ballyie? So which number would Obama kill for right now?

Sucks, don't it?

sfcret - name one. Even pathetic Palin released HER tax returns.

[I volunteer every week at a clinic that provides free legal services to the poor.]

Huh. That's odd...I specifically recall that you said your wife volunteers legal services to the poor...

I guess when one lie turns into two there's no stopping them, right "counselor"?

Oh, and THEN you try and pass this little stone:

[Mass had a fantastic unemployment rate during his tenure.]

Yea, 'cause 46th isn't 47th, right Spanky?

You and your little sock puppet WhiteCollarCriminal are going to rub those talking points raw until November, arent you. Good luck...you're going to need it.

Well, at least we got you two ignorant idiots actually trying to defend Romney, and all it took was to point out once or twice that you're ALWAYS denigrating President Obama, but NEVER defending Romney...hell, you even defended Noot "moon base" Gingrich.

'Cause you were all about the "moonbase", right Spanky?

Type when ya learn how to Read Spankster.

No sense in haveing a conversation with a DRUNK!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Please show me where it is REQUIRED for every Presidential Candidate to release their TAX records?

It's not REQUIRED, however, it is expected thanks to Willard's daddy... who released 12 years worth and set the precedent?

Willard isn't even half the man his father was...

Simple fix for his Bain problem - release his tax returns & it will clear everything up... maybe... lol

If Willard has nothing to hide - what is he so afraid of?

[I volunteer every week at a clinic that provides free legal services to the poor.]

Sure he does Mickey... *wink wink*

This coming from First Read's own paralegal who has spends all day on here...lmao

SpankMe is a classic example of what happens when you are a serial liar... sooner or later... the truth comes back to bite you in the ass!

No sense in haveing a conversation with a DRUNK!

Drunk or sober, our little SpankMe is still an @!$%#!

Willard isn't even half the man his father was...

I guess the acorn rolled far,far down the hill!

Spanky ....

This comment ...

As part of that service I fill out forms that ask for income, citizenship and a bunch of other stuff.

I just feel the need to address as it is so what I do for a living. Every single bit of money that is distributed from the Feds or States comes with strings attached. They want outcomes. Your filling out those forms are a way to let them know where the money is going. I get so tired of people thinking the government just tosses out money willy nilly without any type of validation. Every grant, right now I work with those that need to report NOMS, wants to see how and where that money is spent and what type of demographic it goes to. It's called fiscal responsibility. It's in place, it's working and for you, totas, and the crazy srich to sit back and say "the government doesn't do anything for handouts!" So very wrong. I work on the data side. I work with the agencies that want to present legitimate data to their State and the Federal Government. Sure, there are abuses here and there, but realistically, everyone that touches goverment and state money make sure that they collect all the data they can to continue to assist those that are in need. Stop with the overall generalizations. Put your boots on. Volunteer, assist, help, go serve your community.

(Off my soap-box, now .... ) ;-)

SeekingSanity - See even Feisty agrees with me, it is not REQUIRED. As for your request to name one, I will name several in my life time, Huckabee, Giuliani, Forbes, Lugar, Nader, Jerry Brown, Buchanan, Edward Kennedy, and maybe before your time, but within my, Harry Truman, Eisenhower, and Lydon Johnson.

Feisty - President Roosevelt was the first to release him tax returns, not Romney's father. There is an old saying "Just because someone does something, it doesn't mean we all should."

BTW, I believe Romney said he will release his tax returns after they are properly filed. He currently has an extension so can not release them until then.

118 days until Obama gets FIRED!

Yippeeeeeee!

@ rob in mass

Does that mean 118 days until you try to get a job?

The more Team Romney tries to spin this, the more can of worms they open. Taking on liability to sign SEC documents, but not really in control -- Oooops. The "legacy" argument, except companies formed with Romney's name happened in 2002 -- Oooops. The "leave of absence" to run the Olympics argument, except Romney was claiming residence in to MA in order to run for governor -- Ooooops.

Hey, where is Mrs. Spanky? Where is she when we need her?!

Pretty kitty,

Don't you know life is all roses in MA since Mr. Romney was governor there? After all they have universal health care and Rob could get a state job overseas.

Hey, phine!

Guess what I found in the barn?

New kittens! Little fluffy babies. My house cat, Kiernan, who loves kittens above all else showed me where they were hiding. They came out when he "chirped". Got to pick one up.

Hope you are feeling better.

new day

My cats are loving the fact I sleep they can curl up next to me. I now have to have 6 pillows on the bed - 2 for each cat and 2 for the humans on the bed. Best part, they bring their kitty treats on the bed then munch on them next to my ear!

what up Mickester?

What's the matter you no volunteer, or just don't understand the concept?

But sure the fact that Ms. Spanky volunteers must totally preclude my ability to do the same.

You poor silly libbie. Brilliant logic, as per usual.

But truth be told, Rick is correct. So? :)

I love you buddy. Always so very entertaining.

Suggestion to Redhead. Try employment. You'd be a lot more interesting.

Spanky-

Oh and bayllie - again - too much Captain Morgan, but tell me, which is better 4.95 unemployment or 8.2%?

spanky, you are comparing tiny Massachusetts to the entire country? Couple of points:

1. Romney had an economy that was pre Financial Meltdown, Obama inherited the economy that almost collapsed, almost took out Europe, went global and 'til this day is affecting our recovery....

2. Massachusetts’s population grew 1.6% from 2000 to 2007 while the nation's grew at a 7.18%.

Next time when you compare something, pick two objects that are at least comparable, PLEASE!

If Romney couldn't do it in a tiny Mass, with an anemic population growth, during times when economy was good - he cannot cut it as president!

sfcret

BTW, I believe Romney said he will release his tax returns after they are properly filed

he's still filing his taxes from 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009? ???

Exactly bayllie, he had no trouble coming up with 20 years of returns for McCain, what's he hiding from the rest of us?

bayllie - What difference does it make if he doesn't release or does release his tax returns, you and the other left wing nuts aren't going to vote for him anyway. I have never met anyone, Democrat or Republican or Independent, that votes based on a persons tax return being made public or not. This subject is just another left wing DEFLECTION from the real issue which is the ECONOMY.

Feisty,

By SEC regulation, Romney's name had to remain on the documents until the management structure was reorganized after he left quickly to save the US Olympic Games. Bottom line is that fact checking organizations all say that the Obama Bain Ads are lying:

FactCheck.org (7/12/12)

None of the SEC filings show that Romney was anything but a passive, absentee owner during that time, as both Romney and Bain have long said. It should not surprise anyone that Romney retained certain titles while he was working out the final disposition of his ownership, for example. We see nothing to contradict the statement that a Bain spokesman issued in response to the Globe article

Washington Post Fact Checker:

7/13/2012 - As we wrote yesterday, we are standing with our assessment that Mitt Romney left the helm of Bain Capital in 1999, when he departed to run the Salt Lake City Olympics.

7/12/2012 - But now the Boston Globe has raised the issue again. The story seems to hinge on a quote from a former Securities and Exchange Commission member, which would have more credibility if the Globe had disclosed she was a regular contributor to Democrats.

Even liberal organizations like the Washington Post are pointing out the lies that team Obama are telling even when the source of those lies is their own newspaper.

Bill, the left wingers don't care about the facts or how the real world businesses run, they are only concerned about DEFLECTING from Obama's dismal record. When one has something to run on they tout it, when one has nothing to run on they use deflection and negativity.

BTW, has anyone actually seen the documents from the SEC that the left wing publication "Boston Globe" keeps saying exist, not that it would change my mind.

phil-667368

Exactly bayllie, he had no trouble coming up with 20 years of returns for McCain, what's he hiding from the rest of us?

There is a reason why McCain didn't pick Romney for VP. Coold the tax returns be the reason or one of the reasons?

sfcret

bayllie - What difference does it make if he doesn't release or does release his tax returns, you and the other left wing nuts aren't going to vote for him anyway.

yes, you are right. I never did (for governor) and I never will. But I would still like to know what kind of skeletons does Romney have because he applying for a job to represent all of us.

Righties are funny, 4 years after being elected as POTUS, they still scream: "show me your birth certificate" even though Obama went through the same verification process as every candidate. Yet, you give a pass to Romney for not doing what most candidates - including his father- have done: prove to all of us that he has been an exemplary taxpayer.

Bayllie and Feisty Redhead - You're doing the Liberal Whining Dance. Where does it say in the Consitution, or anywhere, that a presidential candidate has to release his tax returns? Romney released his 2010 return and will release his 2011 return - that's enough! I'm more concerned with the fact that we have a sitting president who has sealed ALL his records and will not explain why. What does he have to hide?? And you're worried about Romney's tax returns? I'm also more concerned about the economy and where this country is going. For the past 3 1/2 years it's been going to hell in a handbasket. Our basic rights, as guaranteed by the Constitution, are being trampled on by this president. Oops, I forgot - the Constitution is beneath a king and that's what he's made of himself. I'm more worried that, as a senior citizen, my life will be cut short because some Death Panel bureaucrat in D.C. will decide I'm too old and useless to receive the proper medical treatment my doctor wants to give me - thanks to Obamacare. (fact); I'm more worried because the Sharia Law is being recognized by too many courts in this country (fact). I'm more worried that Obama has placed members of the Muslim Brotherhood in the DOJ, DOD and DHS. (fact); And I'm worried about the number of Communists who are sitting in the House and Senate and, basically, determining the direction this country is taking (fact). Am I worried whether Romney produces 2 or 50 tax returns? Hell NO!! Does it bother me that a man who loves this country, is honest and upstanding, is being vilified by Obama's Marxist sheep? Hell YES!! By the way, don't you think that if Romney had done anything wrong in regards to signing the SEC forms that the SEC would have been all over him by now? He did not lie. The lies are coming out of Obama's camp because the great one has no platform to run on, has done a piss-poor job for 3 1/2 years and he lies about everything including his family and childhood. Stick that in your bonnets!!

Bayllie = You say Obama was vetted when he ran for office. John McCain was properly vetted by the government but Obama was not. McCain had to prove his citizenship even though at the time of his birth, on a U.S. naval base (recognized as U.S. soil) in Panama to 2 U.S. born parents. Don't you find it strange? Had Obama been properly vetted the question would have come up in regards to his father's citizenship. He got in office purely on the backing of Soros, Alinsky and the Biederberg Group. It was all a scam and it still is as they are pulling the puppet's strings.

As Romney adviser Matt McDonald told Politico, "[Romney] was on the SEC filings because he was still technically the owner, but hadn't transferred ownership to other partners." Technically the owner?

Willard Romney has Bain Damage...

RedSoxRule

Obama's war on America and capitalism must end!!

Your comments have no association with my Team... You must be a Yankee fan...

Gee Amy, it appears as though you'd like to believe anything negative about Romney, no matter how false it is. Romney left Bain in Feb of 1999. Case closed. All this crap about how Romney screwed up the lives of working people is false. He left in 1999 and most of the tragedy occurring in people's lives due to Bain closing down businesses happened after that. Don't believe everything the liberal news tells you... they are solid in Obama's camp and will say and do anything to help Obama.

BTW Amy, WTF business is it of yours to have to know where Romney keeps his money? He earned it and it's his private property. He can keep it tucked up your nether regions if he were to draw enough interest on it. What lengths will you liberals go to suck on Obama's...... ?

Hey Brian B last time I checked, "earned income" is taxed at a higher rate. Mr Romney couldn't run a manufacturing business operation if it bit him in the ass. He is nothing more than a high end pawnbroker with connections. No insult intended to pawnbrokers!

Right, and so what if JP Morgan lost 9 billion dollars recently on the same kind of bad bet that caused the financial crisis in 2007 and which necessitated a tax payer bailout?

Pay no attention to the movement of large sums of cash, especially when presidential candidates are involved.

Not quite case closed. There are still the questions of the SEC filings. Falsifying those are a felony.

We're not talking about JP Morgan Amy. We are talking about a citizen that earned money and can do with it what he wants. He doesn't have to release anything until he's required to do so. When that time comes, his income taxes will be released for public consumption. You liberals continue to live by double standards and frankly it's getting sickening.

BTW Amy, WTF business is it of yours to have to know where Romney keeps his money?

Hey Slingblade - if he's running on a record of business success. He needs to show it.....

Come to think of it Brian B might have a tough time finding a job @ McDonalds. The balloon payment must be coming due on his trailer.

GT - Stop spewing your double standards again. Tell me exactly what Obama released as far as his records go when he was running in 08. I never heard a liberal complain about the lack of information concerning the oh so holy Obama... but when it comes to a republican, the liberals are squawking like defeathered chickens.

Torpedo You - I'd change the first word of your name to one that is 4 letters long and starts with an F, but I find your idiotic statement to be right in line with a liberal and your line of thinking. I see you are a student of Alynski and you have studied very hard to deflect, and minimize. Of course you have no substance to your response so therefore you are irrelevant.

If we have to have a state ID or driver's license to vote, Romney should have to provide his tax returns to be President. Seems like a minimal requirement to me.

T - Stop spewing your double standards again. Tell me exactly what Obama released as far as his records go when he was running in 08

What didn't O disclose in 2008, except his original copy of his birth certificate? Which was raw meat for the RWNJ's

GT - Romney is not even the official nominee of the GOP yet and you want him to reveal all his personal records??? How stupid is that? Think about it... why don't you place all your personal records on this board for all of us to see... after all you keep on posting like you are running for some sort of irrelevance.

Those pesky details, Amy-----Romney wants us to vote for him because of his business experience and management skill and yet apparently it took 3 years for him to sever his relationship with Bain. It was good training for how today he doesn't know what his SuperPAC is doing.

GT spewed: What didn't O disclose in 2008, except his original copy of his birth certificate? Which was raw meat for the RWNJ's

He didn't disclose his superior educational records, his background information concerning his employment history. In fact, he didn't disclose anything but the words hope and change. Who the F cares what his income tax records reveal. The only reason you liberals want Romney to disclose his tax returns so you can shout to the clouds how much money he has... What else is new?

Well I read a post the other day from a liberal citing a quote from some high official from Harvard that stated that Obama was Kenya born... That official was singing Obama's praises... Something tells me that a high official from Harvard university should be smart enough to know where Obama was born...

Romney's not the official nominee yet? You mean there's still a chance Republicans can win this thing?

All this is going to be mute in November when Obama loses. You do realize he's going to lose, don't you? His campaign is deeply in debt and his contributors are falling quicker than leaves in Autumn. He's had a very bad couple of weeks as far as his mistakes go. His campaign website is begging for people to will him money when they die. He wants couples facing a wedding to tell their guests to send money to his campaign in lieu of giving gifts... WTF! Talk about a cheap politician! And you liberals just don't see it... well I hope one or more of you get married and tell your guests to send Obama the gift money.... In fact, I challenge you to do it.

I realize you die hard Obama fans will cling on to him until the very end and you will be sitting on the edges of your seats come election day, but Obama is falling faster than a 10 ton rock off a cliff. America is waking up and it appears you liberals are outnumbered by 64%. Nobody want's Obama to run this country anymore except you liberals. He failed and when he's replaced, then and only then will it come home to you in realization.

Amy dear - when JP Morgan loses money, it's private money willingly invested in that company.

When Obama throws away billions on such crap as Sloyndra, Fisker, Energ1 and the like, it's our money that was taken from us.

Now I know you see the difference, right Amy?

Sure you do.

By the way, what experience does O have/ever had?

- Romney is not even the official nominee of the GOP yet and you want him to reveal all his personal records???

Brian - So you're saying that you have no problem with him releasing his records after he's the official GOP nominee?

That's ok with me. I can wait....

He didn't disclose his superior educational records, his background information concerning his employment history.

All that info was supplied on his application.....

All this is going to be mute in November when Obama loses. You do realize he's going to lose, don't you?

Whoa!

Hold on there - I wouldn't be putting all of your eggs in one basket by counting on the voter suppression thingy yet...

He's had a very bad couple of weeks as far as his mistakes go.

Really?

Then you might want to explain WHY Willard has been playing pure defense?

America is waking up and it appears you liberals are outnumbered by 64%

Source for that? As of today, the President still maintains comfortable leads in all the swing states...

I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but it will come down to the electoral college & it sucks to be Willard...

Or one of his sheeple... lol

Suffolk just released a poll showing that Romney's wealth does not matter to Americans -- 75% to 25%. All of this is a non issue. Romney may not know how to run a manufacturing plant but he knows how to hire the right people to make it run and run profitably. Unlike some who surrounds himself with the likes of Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Frank Marshall Davis for his view of America and a cabinet (except for Hillary) and czars that couldn't find water if they fell off a boat.

Spanky-

Amy dear - when JP Morgan loses money, it's private money willingly invested in that company.

so private that when they loose their underwear by playing with other people's money, they stick their dirty hands out for the taxpayers to bail them out.

When Obama throws away billions on such crap as Sloyndra, Fisker, Energ1 and the like, it's our money that was taken from us.

you are still on the Solyndra high? Didn't you get the memo that Solyndra is so yesterday? Today's big drama is Obama's "fake" social security number.

When Obama throws away billions on such crap as Sloyndra

Solyndra was Bush's baby. O followed through later..

That's right bayllie, which is why the government should stay the hell out of it and tell them to go F themselves when they come a' beggin'.

And no today's drama, as per Carney's presser, is that President transparent refuses to release his transcripts.

Now why is that bayllie?

Ah well, no matter, it's Thursday, which means Happy Hour.

Captains and Coke for all, on me. Seriously, come on down. :)

President Bush studied it and turned Solyndra down. Obama revived it much to the taxpayers dismay.

Ahhhh Ben.... You don't understand. GT knows nothing but what he's heard from other liberal bloggers and the liberal lie machine AKA the main stream media. AKA MSNBC and ThinkProgress.

Yeah, that's not true Bennie.

So going through these posts is enough to make you dizzy from the spinning.

If I am following this correctly, and with Bennie and Brian, it is hard to tell....asking Mittens to disclose information, where there is some confusion about it that could cross into unlawful activity, is asking too much. Poor Mittens should only have to tell people what he wants them to believe, not what is true, and may disclose some serious character flaws.

Their President on the other hand? They can just make up stuff about him.

Kind of funny and sad, all at the same time.

Spanky-

That's right bayllie, which is why the government should stay the hell out of it and tell them to go F themselves when they come a' beggin'.

is that why Issa "refused" to party with the Solyndra lobbyists? aka breakfast fundraiser for Romney’s campaign?

and is that why the Bush Administration advanced the Solyndra loan guarantee for two years, before Obama became President?

spanky, I've told you this before -THERE IS A REASON WHY ISSA DROPPED THIS PROBING SO QUICKLY. People like you would have to hear that Solyndra is not exclusively Obama's, and then you would have been so disappointed....

And no today's drama, as per Carney's presser, is that President transparent refuses to release his transcripts.

Pesidential candidates don't bother to release college transcripts but all have released tax returns...

You are flagellating a deceased equine.

It's no longer 2008- no matter what Obama wrote in the BuskinhM guest book.

While this site may swallow whatever tripe Obama is serving, it seems other media outlets have grown tired of his blatant falsehoods- and call the out. Perhaps they have dusted off their copies of the Journalistic Code of Ethics?

This is a man who LIED about his DYING MOTHER for political advantage. This is a man who gave BILLIONS to his bog dollar donors- something you once referred to as the "scandal du jour"- while covering personal business ess that did NOT concern the taxpayers.

Obama is a liar. He is also a fabulist- which you'd know, if you bothered to read Maraniss' book.

More importantly, Obama is an inept, uncontravertable failure as president.

You want him around? Give him a show on your network. Maybe more people will tune in.

There is absolutely no one on this board that is qualified to comment on anyone's tax returns other than their own. There are government agencies that are charged with that task on the state and federal levels. The IRS is under Obama's administration so trust your government. Research and understand why international business people must have accounts in other currencies. Research and understand why smart business people that have wealth to protect that have watched the Fed destroy the value of the dollar shouldn't invest in stronger currencies. We are in a global market so there is nothing wrong in being in the game.

If anything was improper on the tax returns, the IRS would catch it. If there were any thing wrong with SEC filings, the SEC would catch it -- especially if it was Gov. Romney. This is a non-issue and the recent Suffolk poll upholds that viewpoint.

no jo: What in the name of the wee man are you blathering on about?

Wow, Bennie, you are certainly getting more and more desperate by the day! See, no one really cares what YOU believe. If your guy Romney lied on forms about his tenure at Bain, he COULD be in some legal jeopardy. Sounds to me like Romney likes to package himself for whatever form he has to fill out, and he isn't adverse to a little creative editing.

Yes, I can certainly see where you are upset, Bennie. You are backing someone who abused a classmate, a dog and a horse. Who sold a horse on, knowing it was lame, and to a FRIEND. And who is a habitual liar.

Really someone to look up to Ben.

Good news folks! Obama's transcripts and Romney's tax returns are going to be released under the file called "Most of America doesn't give a rats ass!" Seriously, if you are eagerly awaiting Obama's transcripts or Romney's tax returns, face it; you've already made up your mind anyway.

no jo: What in the name of the wee man are you blathering on about?

I am wondering the same thing NDD!

Here we have the #1 serial liar of First Read calling someone else a liar... talk about ironic! lol

You got to give the old gal credit, she keeps coming back for more!

She sure seems to cling to the same old ideas.

Chucky is spot on.

Nice post.

Aw, look NoJo's Feisty dog whistle still works perfectly. So sad for poor old Feisty. So darned predictable. So very amusing.

Spanky - and yet, you're not even amusing. Just a pathetic little court reporter trying to be something he definitely isn't.

[Come to think of it Brian B might have a tough time finding a job @ McDonalds.]

Nahh...he didn't take one of Boehner's 50,000 McDonald's jobs...Brian's holding out for a "management position"...

Right Brian? Still suckling at big 'ol Mama Gubment's teat?

Sure you are...it's just "easier" that way.

Lets see...33 "symbolic" votes by the House, at somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 MILLION each (conservative estimate)...

...so...what was that about Government waste?

If Romney would just release his tax returns for the past 12 years (as his father did running for president), we could probably put this whole thing to rest. He'd have had to list whether he was or wasn't CEO of Bain at that time, wouldn't he?

Unless...no, republicans are ardently opposed to cover-ups, right?

Actually, Romney stated, and rightly so, that all the paperwork necessary to run for president was in order. Do you think that the same group that vetted Obama for president wouldn't vet Romney? Do you think enough background information was given on Obama? Do you think that Obama should have provided all that Romney is required to provide or is Obama somehow exempt from the same rules?

In term of skeletons in the closet, it would seem your hero has more than his share. When you watch what the Obama campaign is twisting and spinning in their desperation to get the 'goods' on Romney, and when you realize that the mainstream media, the pro-Obama media is calling his campaign out on their lies, well, perhaps you should think about the phrase 'desperation' as being an indication of the Obama campaign.

I would think that it is reasonable for the P.O.T.U.S. hopefuls would both be willing to provide information on their claims of being the best candidate for the job. I think that the present holder of the job needs very little to endorse his claims,but his opponent is not being forthcoming in many of the answers to many of the questions that disturb many of his potential employers.

Bain Capital issued a statement confirming that.

You'll excuse us if we don't take Bain's word for it! *wink wink*

My BB - such and angry little birdie you are today... lol

Brian B -

Bain Capital issued a statement in July of 1999 stating that Romney was "currently on a part-time leave of absence". Their press release to the Boston Globe stated that "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions."

So which statement was factually correct, then or now?

From the Globe article:

The Globe found nine SEC filings submitted by four different business entities after February 1999 that describe Romney as Bain Capital’s boss; some show him with managerial control over five Bain Capital entities that were formed in January 2002, according to records in Delaware, where they were incorporated.

In Romney’s 2002 race for governor, he testified before the state Ballot Law Commission that his separation from Bain in 1999 had been a “leave of absence” and not a final departure.

SEC filings during the Stericycle purchase listed Romney as "sole shareholder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President" of four companies that partnered with Bain on the acquisition. Romney himself signed the original filings.

Subsequent SEC filings in November 1999 stated that Romney had sole "voting and dispositive power with respect to the stock owned by Bain". Romney is the ONLY Bain executive listed on the SEC filings.

So, Romney supporters - the question is did Romney lie to the MA Ballot Law Commission or to the SEC?

A better question would be WHEN he lied to the SEC - during the period from 1999 to 2002 when he signed filings designating himself as the "Sole shareholder, chairman, CEO, and President" of these Bain spin-offs, or when he filed papers saying he was not involved?

TNSEVOL:

Excellent reporting by a fellow alum. I cannot fathom how Mittens thought he would get away with the idea that he cut all ties in 1999. Sole shareholder is more than a figurehead (as to the spinoffs). And a leave of absence clearly indicates an intent to return. So, Romney does more than spin like a weather vane. Now, when trapped, he lies. It's all beginning to fall apart. He better recalculate before he contradicts any more sworn documents. Perjury is so tricky for a politician.

Bottom line. You don't get retirement pay under CEO pay. You get "golden parachute", "take-this-teacher,fireman,policeman-I-have-a-real-retirement-pay", "retirement CEO package", severance pay... whatever! CEO pay is CEO PAY!

I smell a rat... things are gonna get interesting.

Things are going to get interesting only if the Obama campaign files a suit and demands proof of their assertions. Otherwise this is just smoke and mirrors and an attempt by the Obama campaign to smear character. If they say he is a felon, well then, prove it, otherwise all you have is innuendo and slander, something to be expected from Obama.

Let's vote for a better leader?? If only we could find one, because Romney definitely aint it.

Bo the dog is a better presidential candidate than Obama.

what cracks me up, is when Republicans accuse the Obama campaigning of "swiftboating" Romney over Bain. Even they admit, they waged a smear campaign against John Kerry's military record.

The bottom line is Willard thinks it's okay for him to lie about the President.

You are confused. Obama has lied, and continues to do so, about Romney.

It's the campaign of a desperate failure who knows he can't run on his recored.

squeak - You can tell when a Republican is lying, their lips move...i.e George W Bush, Willard Romney.

Show your TAX RETURNS...MITTENS!

OBAMA/BIDEN and the Middle Class 2012

You are confused also.

Allow me to recommend a great read for those interested in the truth concerning Obama. Every detail is backed by footnotes and referenced for the reader to follow up. Every lie Obama has spewed to the public is exposed to those who would hear. Well, most of them. I don't think the Encyclopedia Brittanica could cover all of his lies.

The Great Destroyer by David Limbaugh.

Of course, it's by a conservative so those not open to the truth (like Obama) will dismiss it.

Read it if you dare.

As a side. I want to see Obama's college transcripts because I think he's mentally challenged and not fit for the job. Why would you want to see Romney's tax return? So you feel inadequate? That's not healthy.

squeakywill - your stupidity is overwhelming. EVERY presidential candidate in our lifetime has released their taxes - every one. Romney's father released 10 years.

Your comment about Obama being mentally challenged is the most disgusting, filthy piece of treasonous garbage I have ever seen printed. You are clearly lacking intelligence and integrity absolutely skipped your entire family. You are nothing but gutter filth! You're just jealous because you and your candidate, Romney, are not even capable of touching the soles of Obama's shoes.

Obama/Biden 2012

Seeking, please define treason. You use the word, but it clearly does not mean what you think it means.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

And Seeking when you say Mitt can't 'touch the soles of Obama's shoes' what on god's green earth are you trying to say?

Cause you know the latest poll at 47-47 has a plus 9 dem sample. You do get what that means, yes?

[Go ahead, I'll wait.]

Sure you will...at least until the next shiny new talking point...err...nickel comes along.

I wonder what kind of penalty comes with lying to the SEC...hmmm...anyone here a lawyer? And that may not be the SEC's only gripe...seems Mittens and his son may have been involved in some sort of impropriety, Bernie Madoff style...but that will have to wait for another day.

SeekingSanity - nice.

Prove to me Obama is not mentally challenged.

Mickster, perhaps we should ask Corzine. Sarbanes-Oxley, Dodd Frank, FINRA, SEC.

Dude is gold, right?

You bet he is.

And et Sanity never did come back with a definition.

Why is that Mickey?

Obama did smoke a lot of dope and he snorted lots of coke, he coined the phrase Total Absorption, meaning you held the smoke in your lungs until it was ALL gone. So, cocaine and marijuana to excess for many years, of course he only gives a passing nod to that in his 'composite autobiographical novella' so one can only imagine what all the totally inhaled snort and dope did to his mentality.

It is apparent, painfully so, that the cult of Obama worship is such that any mention of anything remotely disparaging to the 'dear leader' sends the worshippers off on major tantrums and fits.

I am not going to come right out and say the Governor is bald face lying until I get all the facts.

Okay I will say it, Ole Willard is a bald face liar.

Chas, you didn't see enough during the primaries to call him a bald faced liar? Your bar must be pretty high. Somewhere between the story about attending the Michigan car show that happened before he was born and trying to explain away what was clearly the intended context of the etch-a-sketch comment by a senior staffer, Romney surpassed my bar of being a bald faced liar like an Olympic high jumper on his way to gold and glory.

Ramboet, thank you! I was wondering about that! (Needed the giggle today as well!)

Yeah, unlike the Obama campaign and their calling him a felon, which got lots of negative press because, well, because they can't prove it and it would seem that they are getting lots of pinocchios and pants-on-fire ratings from those fact check organizations. Of course, you do indeed believe all that Obama tells and has told you, don't you?

He wouldn't be the only one with his pants on fire - Al Gore invented the internet and Bill Clinton defines what IS is. Oh, and Joe Biden who I believe is simply incapable of telling the truth. Need I go on?

Romney wants the credit for investing in mall stores, but not the reponsibilty for breaking down manufacturing companies, selling their equipment and sending the jobs overseas. Of course, he took the profit from those practices, he just doesn't want to be associated with them.

Mitt's attention to details isn't impressing me very much.

Poor Mitt can't remember much lately .... can't rememeber what he said about blind trusts in 1994,

The blind trust is an age old ruse, if you will, which is to say you can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do. You give a blind trust rules."

And now, can't remember that he was . . .

"[Romney] was on the SEC filings because he was still technically the owner, but hadn't transferred ownership to other partners." Technically the owner?

You can all say what you will about President Obama, but he's got a memory and actually stands up to things that he's said in the past. Sheesh!

Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we practice to deceive.

A liar needs a good memory.

Gingerbread Mamma ... reminds me of my very favorite Mark Twain quote ...

“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.”

I live by that quote!

You might want to reconsider that. Not having to remember anything isn't exactly a good thing.

I really wish they would put all these lying politicians in jail.

If a regular citizen lied to the SEC they'd be going away.

Northstar, pretty sure that wasn't me but is very appropriate!

Robert - and you just wrote one LONG paragraph with nothing BUT lies. Proud of yourself? Do you actually believe people are dumb enough to believe ONE single word you've printed? But, you're a great Republican - got the lying down pat!

Obama/Biden 2012

Ahh, but those 'lies' about Obama, why, they're not exactly lies. Who is Davis? Do you know? Was his stepfather Soetero a muslim, yes he was, is a Muslim male required to have his children raised as Muslims? Yes they are. Was Obama adopted by Soetero, yes he was. Wright does indeed hate America and has preached his hatred from his pulpit. As to the money give to failed energy companies, make that billions, not trillions although, in terms of outsourcing jobs, where are all those new GM plants going to be built? Not here. Who bailed out GM and gave 17% of the company to the UAW? If I were a union member perhaps I'd want those plants built over here, not to mention the Finnish electric car company that is using taxpayer monies to build cars in...are you ready? Finland. You certainly aren't a republican, you are indeed an Obama supporter though. One can tell.

If YOU don't know anything about your President by now, Saintvrain, you simply have not been paying attention.

All you need to know......

Marxist failure.

squeakywill - when you start with the "marxist" stupidity we know you have nothing to offer!

Obama/Biden 2012

Really? Because you know nothing about who Obama actually is you think others don't? My guess is you don't even know what Marxism is or anything about the man you wish to see re-elected.

C'mon, prove me wrong. Tell me when and where Obama has ever stood up for individual liberty and the rights of the individual.

You know, those silly quaint principles our nation was founded upon. C'mon, just one. I can give you dozens of instances where he vilified "the rich"(Marxist), pushed "collective salvation" (a Marxist principle), pitted group vs. group (a Marxist principle).

Fortunately, there are more people who love this country still more than themselves. Unfortunately, that sentiment does not describe people who support Obama. Good thing they are in the minority this time around.

When he affirmed that women have a right to choose the use of contraceptives stepping firmly on the "bishops" of Rome, who are first loyal to a foreign entity, not America. When he took out Bin Laden so that YOU may live in peace. And also by affirming the Voter's Right Act, which allows YOU the right to vote.

And when he saved the country from going into the worst depression that this nation has EVER seen, brought to us by YOUR guy Bush.

Grow up.

Funny.

I don't remember contraception as being a right under the Constitution. More like a personal obligation if you want to engage in sex and not get pregnant. But that's just from someone who understands that if you force people to pay for someone else's pleasure then that would be tyranny.

I was not worried about bin Laden "taking me out" thanks to the programs W put in place. And if you think we are any safer then I'm guessing the only news you follow is Colbert and Stewart. In case you missed it, Holder has not enforced a single "voter right". He has made it easier for fraud to exist and therefore has damaged our rights as a voter.

He has only prolonged the recession and didn't "save" anything. All one needs as evidence of this is the 16% unemployment figure which has only worsened during his tenure. And the worst GDP expansion since the great depression. As a matter of fact, that particular honor(avoiding depression) has been given to Bush and Paulson by those who know, which, obviously, doesn't include you.

Grow up? You do nothing but demonstrate your desire to idolize the worst president in history, a failure by any measure. My thoughts are that I hope you, and others like you, open their minds and get an education as to what it means to be an American. Obama never learned.

What on earth are you talking about? Your President maintained the Wall of Separation as he is obligated to do. I am sure even a partisan hack like you can recognize that the most personal and intimate liberty, that of CHOICE was protected. And it isn't in the Constitution? What was Roe V Wade decided on then?

Your President saved YOUR chestnuts from the worst depression that America has seen, caused by YOUR guy Shrub.

And he has lowered taxes for you too, they are now lower than Reagan's time. Sometimes I wonder who the worst President really was..Reagan, who was a colossal moron, or Bush who is worse?

What are you talking about? What has the "wall of separation" (whatever that is supposed to mean) got to do with anything. I think the point you were trying to make is that taxpayers have the right to pay for other people's responsibility. Of course, you leaning left, will never admit that. Not a shocker.

If you can't face the facts that's your problem, not mine. What I know is come November you and your ilk become inconsequential.

Oh my GOD! Are you for real? Thomas Jefferson in the letter to the Danbury Baptists, setting down for all time the meaning of the First Amendment. The WALL between Church and State!

Do you really NOT know this?

I LOVE people like you that blather on and on about the Constitution, never having read the thing, never having read the Federalist Papers or the Anti Federalist papers, from which evolved this government.

Jaysus, turn off Rush, or Hannity or whatever the hell you listen to and read a BOOK!

Squeaky, in response to your - "C'mon, prove me wrong. Tell me when and where Obama has ever stood up for individual liberty and the rights of the individual."

The Coburn Amendment was attached to the federal Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009 and signed by President Obama into law. It was the one that allowed Americans to carry loaded guns into National Parks.

Even if you can't accept the idea of the right to privacy you ought to be able to recognize that with this law alone President Obama increased the right to bear arms for all Americans more than President Bush did.

Matt,

I agree to a point. Yes, that did occur butttttttt...

Obama's State Dept seeks to strip you and all Americans of the right to possess arms. Doubt me? Read "Screwed" by Dick Morris and a number of other knowledgeable sources who bother to let the American people know what the Obama State Dept is attempting to do to the American people. Such behavior is his modus operandi. Say one thing and do another.

So, IMHO, Obama was once again just posturing and lying to us.

NDD, you're just an uninformed indoctrinated hack and I would appreciate it if you would just not opine to my post if you have nothing intelligent to say. You are part of the problem with our country. Try to get over that.

Squeakything. . . .

Obama's State Dept seeks to strip you and all Americans of the right to possess arms

You are one crazy little poster! If you're referring to the UN Treaty talks at the end of the month, little one, it's the UN and it's a forum! NOTHING to do with the President!

And this ..

NDD, you're just an uninformed indoctrinated hack and I would appreciate it if you would just not opine to my post if you have nothing intelligent to say.

Love the name calling (NOT!), which so many resort to. By the by ... I've enjoyed NDD-Returned's posts ... because I actually read them!

it's the UN and it's a forum! NOTHING to do with the President!

Tell me genius, who gave Hillary her position? Or do you know so little that you think she's not involved?

Of course you would love his post, you fit right in with his level of knowledge. Which amounts to zilch. My hope is that you and he are felons and unable to vote (legally).

squeakything ... you do know that paranoia is one of the very first signs of extreme substance abuse ... just sayin' .... and the Secretary of State is appointed by the President ... are we going to have more civics questions?

My hope is that you and he are felons and unable to vote (legally).

Well, you certainly know that hope is a dashed one. Aim for something higher ... like world peace. You might get a tiara if you answer that one someday when you're at one of your mandatory classes for charm . . . .

There is no evidence to support the claim that President Obama wishes to strip anyone of their gun rights. In fact, he has directly stated that he supports guns rights.

There is wild speculation based on bad suppositions, but no evidence. The NRA says that President Obama has a "secret plan" but their position was thoroughly debunked. (Source: http:// factcheck.org/2008/09/nra-targets-obama/ )

But then again, the NRA is the organization that successfully fought against a requirement for gun shop owners in SW border states to report multiple sales of assault rifles to a single individual. Their claim was that it would put an undue burden on the gun shop owner.

Thank you, Layton, I enjoy your posts too.

Squeaks, it is clear that you are unable to post anything of substance since you have no knowledge of the history of this country.

AF Vet - It is amazing, but then the liberal left can't talk about Obama's accomplishments because he really doesn't have anything to brag about. I don't see the Obama campaign running around talking about the ACA and the stimulus money that was wasted or the fact that more Americans have been killed in Afghanistan during Obama's 3.5 yrs than under Bush's 7 plus yrs. Also who just promised Afghanistan that the U.S. would support them financially and militarily until 2024, Obama did. Who wanted to leave American military personnel in Iraq for several more years, Obama did but could not reach and agreement with the Iraqi government so had to pull out on the time schedule and accord approved by President Bush, yet Obama runs around trying to take credit for leaving Iraq.

Face it, guys. Your party is choosing the wrong candidate. Yes, the incumbent is damaged, and the economic situation does seem likely to further stagnate or even contract. The fact that your challenger isn't the odds on favorite right now ought to tell you something.

You're nominating someone for the presidency about whom people from your own party tell integrity jokes. Shrewd politickin' there.

Keep telling yourself that the incumbent is "damaged". Because he's more than damaged, his political career is over.

Yes, in 6-54 months, his political career will end.

The difference between the two numbers comes down to your candidate. How comfortable are you with that? I'm trying not to say I told you so, but if you were here during the primaries, well, I told you so.

And that's not even getting into the question of whether Obama can steal a deep red state somewhere, because evangelicals will be reluctant to put someone in position to take his oath with hand on the Book of Mormon. Personally, I doubt that will happen. Not that the Mormon factor isn't a political hindrance, but I see that as more along the lines of impacting volunteers, donations, GOTV effort, etc. Despite what others from the South say, I fully expect Romney to take the usual Southern states.

But if I'm wrong about that, then Romney doesn't have any chance, and Obama will be the first president since Roosevelt re-elected in this kind of an economic environment. Even if I'm right, it will be a horse race, and you and I both know that Romney will caught in one lie after another along the way. That's his nature.

Perfectly comfortable with Romney. All of this false hoolabaloo never makes it out of the liberal echo chambers. The nation is firmly against Obama and his policies. The media ignore his lies and failed policies, the average American does not.

Primaries? Why not reference the most recent elections that matter? 2010, there's your litmus test.

We'll see. I'll bet Romney responds to this one, suggesting it's gotten a little further than liberal echo chambers.

From the CPAC convention: A liberal, a moderate and a conservative walk into a bar. The bartender says, "hi Mitt." I can't believe the GOP would go on to nominate the butt of that joke. Granted, your party didn't have a lot of great alternatives. But still...

Since no one knows for sure how many jobs were saved or created with Obama's stimulus program claiming it was a waste is a stretch. The Congressional budget office thinks it's a lot. But maybe those on the right know more.

President Barack Obama's 2009 economic stimulus bill which was passed in Congress during the first month of his Administration and which received opposition from all but three Congressional Republicans has thus far resulted in the employment for 5 million or more Americans according to the Congressional Budget Office's 2011 third quarter ARRA accounting report released on Tuesday.

"The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act" (ARRA) was passed and enacted in February of 2009 and contained approximately $800 billion in stimulus programs, tax cuts and tax incentives to help the economy, which at the time was losing almost one million jobs a month.

In the CBO report, "Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output from July 2011 Through September 2011," a breakdown by year shows that the ARRA created or saved from 5 million to 25.4 million jobs from March 2009 through September 2011, as follows:

Be careful there Matthew, you're making sense and asking valid questions. I dearly hope that many of these issues are addressed during the debates. Great post by the way!

Thank you, Layton.

Just like the "global warming science", you begin your argument with false "facts".

What false facts squeaky?

And btw - re: climate change? Even the conservative magazine Forbes says it is happening (source: .forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/01/21/2011-climate-change-in-pictures-and-data-just-the-facts/ ). Now I don't claim that man is the only source, but I will argue that we are a contributing factor.

Also, http:// climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

squeakywill isn't going to respond to your question, Matthew. It is a new account and probably so because they were banned from posting. I've found it happens now and then. Keep on asking and posting ... I so wish many more would do posts such as yours and get the appropriate responses.

Thank you, Matthew.

Just like the "global warming science", you begin your argument with false "facts".

Over 23,000 high temperature records broken in 2012, but global warming science is false 'facts'.

Who cares what Forbes is saying? Scientists have actually debunked it. Try to keep up. And what does temperatures broken mean? Did you keep track during winter of all the records broken? Of course you didn't. But if you really paid attention you would know that scientists have debunked the whole premise of the "global warming". Do you even understand that that means? You'd do better to believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy, at least there is the hope of a little reward.

BTW....those "records" that were broke? They broke the previous ones. My little spot in the world is cooler than last year, dammit.

As for Romney. To say that he is the sole shareholder is not factual. To pretend knowledge of who's in control when you don't know is simply wrong. If a person really cared to be informed they would take a little time and find that out.

Wink Wink Matt.

Simply because Matt is not savvy enough to understand how business works is no reason to demonize Romney, rather, Matt should be ashamed to post false statements and pretends he knows.

"As for Romney. To say that he is the sole shareholder is not factual." So the SEC filings were lies, Squeaky? And Mr. R. Bradford Malt, the Bain lawyer who stated that Gov. Romney took a leave of absense in 1999 but remained sole shareholder lied?

In fact, Mr. Malt Malt (who was designated in 2007 by the Romney campaign to discuss Bain), said that Gov. Romney finally resigned and reduced his role at the company to that of a "passive investor" in August 2001.

The Bush Depression? The one Bush inherited from Clinton, you mean?

Let's see. Little words.

Candy, the reason it "cropped up" is because there is new evidence that your hero Mittens is LYING! As he always does.

All a horseman needs to know about him is that he sold on a lame horse, doping it so it wouldn't feel the pain in its leg, to mask the injury.

Yep, real stand up guy. Not surprised that you admire him.

Hi, NewDay!

How's your homework on Economics 101 going?

Mr. Romney is not my hero.

You're an elite, highly educated, intelligent person. Doesn't it bother you that the President thinks you're too much of an unthinking lemming to figure things out on your own?

Bain Capital shipped jobs overseas

So, you support a candidate that supports shipping jobs overseas. That's all we need to know. And all Romney needs to do is come out and tell the American public that just as he likes to fire people, he also likes sending their jobs overseas. See, it's easy.

Well. There you have it. Just when I think I can't possibly get a response more inane than the one at 17.8, along comes Candy to prove me wrong.

I swear there is a full moon out somewhere.

So, you support a candidate that supports shipping jobs overseas.

I think it's unfortunate that businesses have come to find it more profitable to manufacture goods overseas. You obviously support President Obama. President Obama supports shipping jobs overseas as well. It turns out, you're in the same boat as me.

he likes to fire people

I can't believe you all are pretending to misunderstand this and that this is a bad thing. He was talking about choice, control and possibility. That's what this country is all about, isn't it? If you hire an incompetent contractor, you can fire him. If someone is doing you a disservice, you can discontinue your relationship. I've wanted to "fire" my representatives plenty of times, and try to do so by voting. I'm sure you wanted to "fire" some elected official some time.

I know you all get that but are just pretending, again, to be appalled.

What I've noticed about NDD is he only knows the talking points fed by the Party of Liars. No facts, no argument, just insults and banality. The pretense of knowledge where none exists. Unworthy of conversation but I'm sure he claims many degrees.

Amuse us NDD, has Obama ever lied?

So funny, Squeaks: You are a hoot! I post about the 1802 Jefferson letter to the Danbury Baptists, a historical document that you have never heard of, you can only post about some "book" written by David Limbaugh, a mental midget, and the only thing you can come back with are insults to reassure yourself that your dark world still spins?

One cannot take you seriously.

So tell me, Squeaks, Rush Limbaugh ever lie?

A near 80% success rate for venture capitalists would be good, for vulture capitalists not so good. Venture capitalists fund speculative start up companies that may or may not pan out, vulture capitalists acquire a company, loot the crap out of it and if it survives it's part of the 80%. Bain's idea of "saving a company".

In 2002, Goldman Sachs, along with two private equity firms, TGP and ... hmmm ... Bain Capital, teamed up to buy Burger King. This is exactly the kind of situation private equity firms like to trumpet: taking over a downtrodden company and nursing it back to health. And to get them their due, Burger King’s new owners did some good, stabilizing both the company and the franchisees, many of whom were in worse shape than Burger King itself.

But the private equity investors also cut themselves an incredibly sweet deal. Their $1.5 billion purchase price included only $210 million of their own money; the rest was borrowed. They immediately began taking out tens of millions of dollars in fees. Four years later, they took Burger King public. But, first, they rewarded themselves with a $448 million dividend. In all, according to The Wall Street Journal, “the firms received $511 million in dividend, fees, expense reimbursements and interest” — while still retaining a 76 percent stake.

Does it need to be said that Burger King was soon back to its old struggling self? Or that the solution, once again, was to sell to another private equity firm? Of course not! In 2010, Bain, Goldman and TPG cashed out, selling Burger King to 3G Capital, for $3.3 billion. In sum, the original private equity troika reaped a fortune by selling a company that was in nearly as much trouble as it had been when they first bought it. Surely this represents the apotheosis of financial engineering.

What has 3G done? According to Howard Penney, the managing director at Hedgeye, it has prettied up the pig by laying off a large percentage of the staff in Burger King’s Miami headquarters. Burger King’s owners grew earnings, he said, “by cutting expenses. They have not improved the business one iota.” And, of course, 3G pulled out fees and dividends, too. In all, Penney wrote recently, private equity firms have taken for themselves “$1 billion or more in capital that could have been used to improve the company’s relative standing versus its competitors, many of whom Burger King struggles to keep up with.”

Democrats aren't the only one's open to seeing Mitten's financial records, some Repubs are also...

Posted by
CNN Senior Congressional Producer Deirdre Walsh

Washington (CNN) – The chief of the House Republicans' campaign arm said Thursday it was "fair game" for people to ask for more information about GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney's personal financial records.

"His personal finances, the way he does things, his record, are fair game," Texas Republican Pete Sessions told CNN.

Are you stupid? He just said it's fair game to ask honest questions. He didn't say it's fair to smear, which is what Obama's doing.