Where do you think the money to pay those union wages and benefits to the "honest, hardworking
family PEOPLE" comes from? Why do you liberals beleive that a union city workers job is more important than the guy who has to pay for it? What you are seeing in these cities now is a public fed-up with working until they are 80 to pay for public workers who retired when they were 50..... VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

Now we have Scranton, PA joining the mix. The mayor
today announced that police, firefighters, garbage collectors, teachers and
other public employees would have their pay reduced to minimum wage. Naturally, the unions have filed suit and this won't
be the last we hear about it. But the problems about employers, both public and
private seem to have lost complete touch with the fact that honest, hardworking
family PEOPLE work for them. These employees have obligations to their families
and to their creditors. The employees accept positions with an employer with
the reasonable expectation that their jobs will be secure, their pay will be
reasonable and the working conditions will meet certain standards as outlined
by law. Is that too much to ask? Only of the Romney's of this country!

And if the money to pay these employees is not there do we just conjure it up out of thin air? This was instigated by a Democratic mayor so it's not one of these evil Republicans crushing the working man. It is the case that we have been getting government services that we haven't paid for because costs were pushed into the future. Now the bills are due and the money isn't there. Don't think this is limited to Scranton look at the Social Security system.

In California they are issuing 4.7B in bonds to pay for part of the High-Speed rail system. Would you buy these bonds?

I believe the mayor of Scranton is a democrat that has been mayor since 2001 and who is to blame??? A person like who????

The connection between Stockton and Scranton is very clear-

Both cities ran out of money.

They ran out of money because governments do not earn money; they do not create money; they COLLECT money- and pass it around. What governments DO make are laws- laws regarding taxes, and how to do business in their communities, counties, states, and yes, countries.

So, both Stockton and Scranton took roads that led those who create the money they collect out of their towns- leaving them with substantial liabilities, and no way to pay up. Stockton had the dubious luxury of declaring bankruptcy- Scranton needs state approval to do so. There is no word as to whether or not the democratic mayor and council have sought that permission- Harrisburg, also a bastion of democratic "good governance" chose to ignore the law and file for bankruptcy without state approval, and was rejected by the courts as being in violation of the law. No word on whether or not approval has been sought by that democratic body, either.

Quite simply, these two municipalities ran out of other people's money. Scranton has 328 city employees, and cannot afford to even pay minimum wage for very long. A bankruptcy will clear its books of the pension liabilities that caused this crisis- but will do nothing to attract the kinds of businesses and taxpayers that will put them on sound financial footing. In fact, there is a proposal to raise taxes by 78% in the next two years- which will mean that the last resident of that benighted city should remember to turn out the lights when leaving.

If there were two more perfect examples of what happens when governments tax too much, regulate too much, and pay government workers too much, I don't know what they'd be.

Thanks, by the way, for bringing this up. This is one of Obama's "visions" for this country.

Nice to see some common sense posts.... I notice you see this later in the day. More people just getting off work?

California's budget deficit may be $16 billion (up from $9 billion in January), the state's cities may be keeling over and filing for bankruptcy (Stockton and Mammoth Lakes), but lets go further in debt and build a high speed rail line going nowhere. With money we dont have.

And they want us to approve a tax increase in November. Classic

UAW,NO JOE and Alan.........................

So what is YOUR answer?

Are you suggesting that every public employee be paid minimum wage? Should we cut more of these valuable employees? After all, who needs teachers, firefighters, police, sanitation workers and all the other public workers?

Pension reform is only the tip of the iceberg. You cons can't see beyond your own nose.

Because people like Romney who buy and then sell off companies as if they were an old watch, massive amounts of people are now unemployed. Those people no longer pay taxes. Those people have to begin using Medicaid. Those people have their homes, cars and all other belongings that were bought in good faith taken from them. They can no longer buy things. The city were they live begins to lose tax dollars as the expenditures decrease. The city/county state loses property taxes. It is a domino principle of massive proportions. Then the companies that once thrived, are sold off and that tax is gone forever. All the while people like Romney rake in the big bucks and laugh all the way to the bank.

Instead of talking about lower taxes, or extending tax breaks, the government should be doing nearly the opposite.

The government should be charging excessive tax rates and adding massive fines against each and every company that has outsourced more than 5% of their workforce and/or 5% of their production output since the turn of the century. Make these taxes and fines so heavy that the companies will feel the pain that they have brought against the people that worked for them. Continue to charge these corporations this excessive amount until they have brought back the production/jobs that they first outsourced.

If any of the existing companies don't like it; too bad; leave the country or fold. Before they do that, have a law generated that will allow the government to seize their operation, assets and any/all patents that have been granted by the U.S. government. Give those patents to the government or the new owner of the business and let them run the business in a manner more suited for the people who work there and the city/county/state they operate. No person(s) on any board of any such company will ever be allowed to serve on a board in any company in this country ever again. Enough is enough.

For all you cons who want to blame the democrats, remember who set this country up for failure in the first place; Ronald Reagan. It was him and his GOP friends who came up the brilliant idea to allow corporate monopolies. It allowed corporations the ability to become so big, that they destroyed competitive business in this country. Without competitive business practices, companies become to big to fail. Sound familiar? They are allowed to do whatever the decide because there is no one else to compete against them. But the reality is that they are not. The reality is that the country would have to start using the government to overtake the operations of failed businesses until such time as it could be sold and operated by another party.

They ran out of money because governments do not earn money; they do not create money; they COLLECT money- and pass it around.

A lot like Health Insurance companies wouldn't you say No Jo?

[If there were two more perfect examples of what happens when governments tax too much, regulate too much, and pay government workers too much, I don't know what they'd be.]

...she said with a straight face as she saunters off to the mailbox for her big, FAT teachers' pension check...

...ain't that right, hypocrite? I bet you have a bumper sticker on your foreign car that reads:

I GOT MINE, SO SCREW YOU!

When people are out of work because their jobs have been sent over seas they don't pay taxes. They have no money to pay taxes with. With no taxes going to cities and states they don't have the revenue to provide even basic services in some cases. We are seeing fire fighters, police officers laid off due to lack of money to pay them. That in the tide of increased crime (usually up in a bad economy- Idle hands make the devil's work and all that) and during the hottest Summer on record with wild fires burning out of control. Cities are finding fires are worse when they occur because it takes first responders longer to get to the fire, or other emergency for that matter, because they are fewer and farther between. We've seen fires that previously would have been a one or two alarm fire be elevated to a 3 or 4 alarm because fire fighters can't get to them fast enough and not in enough numbers so, when they do arrive, the fire is bigger and badder than otherwise and they need to take fire fighters away from other areas to help them. If we ever have another incident like 9/11 we may just find ourselves in deep doodoo. Why? Because some greedy folk want it all for themselves and deprive everyone else of what little they have.

This clown is the best the GOP could come up with?

Dems are high-fiving strangers in the streets…this is gonna be a slaughter. Bottom line is 8 years of Bush policies are what got us here in the first place, and the Republicans in Congress are fighting the President every step of the way as he tries to dig us out of this mess. They are just stalling for time, hoping they can pull off a Hail Mary come November.

Can’t wait to cast my vote, go home, grill a steak & watch Obama’s landslide victory unfold. I might take the next day off just to listen to Limbaugh have a stroke on-air

nomoresameo Wrote

If any of the existing companies don't like it; too bad; leave the country or fold. Before they do that, have a law generated that will allow the government to seize their operation, assets and any/all patents that have been granted by the U.S. government. Give those patents to the government or the new owner of the business and let them run the business in a manner more suited for the people who work there and the city/county/state they operate. No person(s) on any board of any such company will ever be allowed to serve on a board in any company in this country ever again. Enough is enough.

Sounds a lot like Fascism to me. I know you liberals don't know the meaning of the word, so here it is:

A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.

Romney comes off like an adolescent middle schooler.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

"I know you are, but what am I?"

Sounds a lot like Fascism to me. I know you liberals don't know the meaning of the word, so here it is:

A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc.

No, you don't know the meaning of the word. As a liberal let me explain something to you. I know you get all of your info from Fox so this is going to come as a revelation to you.

A liberal will NEVER be a fascist. Get that? A liberal will NEVER be a fascist. Fascism is conservatism taken to the extreme.

A liberal will be a communist or a socialist. That is the extreme of liberalism.

Heavens. At least take a basic Social Studies course before you go running your pie hole. This is one of the first things they teach you in Middle School... at least in the Blue States.

Nomore- We need those public employees but they do nothing to grow the economy...they don't produce anything. The point is all of Obama's jobs bills are short term solutions to a long term problem. The stimulus was designed to plug budget gaps to keep the same groups employed. No that that money has run out he needs to pass new jobs bills to keep that funding. If it passes I'll give you one guess what will be needed when that money runs out.......

nomoresamo

outsourcing jobs to other countries

ABC and the Washington post have reported as an false accusation. You should drop it. The only off shore mitt's name was on was an application he did not fill out. It was put on the application by Bain because his successor had not been qualified yet to make such an application.

The Date on the Application is AFTER Mitt had left Bain.

Anyone complaining about outsourcing needs to take a closer look at the root cause. Why do companies outsource? Well not because they can make the same profit manufacturing here in the US. Not because they can still be competitive if their products manufactured here in the US have to compete with the same product from China.

Solyndra went belly up to the tune of a half billion in taxpayer dollars because they could not compete with the same products from China. You need to explain how products can be made in China and shipped to the US for less then they can be manufactured here in the US. How about overhead? Government regulation? Taxes? Wages? Benefits?

Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law and over the next decade and a half millions of jobs left this country and have never returned. The US has signed trade agreements through government negotiation that literally sold out the American worker. Very similar to the public sector unions that have had no problem negotiating contracts that are literally bankrupting towns, cities, and states.

To blame a business or a businessman that is trying to make a profit for jobs leaving the US is ridiculous and a total loser argument for Obama. It was politicians that set this job exodus in motion, and it is the politicians making the deals taxpayers cannot afford. For some reason the liberal argument is that businesses need to be accountable to the American worker, and yet our government has been anything but accountable to the taxpayers. Until the business climate in the US makes it foolish to outsource jobs, nothing is ever going to change, and so far Washington has not helped.

Obama is a liar on this out sourcing issue. Obama used tax payers money and gave it to china to help the wind farm parts and blades , solar panels and this President has the balls to blame Mitt. Also Blabbermouth Debbie Shultz attacking Mitts accounts when in fact Debbie needs to show her Swiss accounts to, which she has a few herself. I find the Left a bunch of liars and hypocrites and its sad that half of the country are falling for the BS coming out of the Democrats mouth. How thick can the American people be? Like I said how gullable and naive the Obamalovers are. Whooooooooooo the sky is falling.!!!!!! You all better run and hide you idiots.!!!!!!!!Obama does not care about the middle hard working people when he is bringing down the coal industry were thousands of middle class workers are losing their jobs. So you Liberal idiots please spare me your lies.!!!!!!!!!!

That Fact Check article sure throws a lot of cold water on the Obama campaign ads. Looks like the Obama campaign is very prone to stretch the truth. Makes for a poor reflection on Obama's understanding of how business and capitalism works. Also sets up a tone of mistrust.

Romney's Character.

Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter. Romney set up a command center at the LaGuardia Marriott and hired a private detective firm to assist with the search. He established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the NYPD, and went through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York, and asked them to help find his friend’s missing daughter. Romney’s accountants at Price Waterhouse Cooper put up posters on street poles, while cashiers at a pharmacy owned by Bain put fliers in the bag of every shopper. Romney and the other Bain employees scoured every part of New York and talked with everyone they could – prostitutes, drug addicts – anyone.

That day, their hunt made the evening news, which featured photos of the girl and the Bain employees searching for her. As a result, a teenage boy phoned in, asked if there was a reward, and then hung up abruptly. The NYPD traced the call to a home in New Jersey, where they found the girl in the basement, shivering and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a massive ecstasy dose. Doctors later said the girl might not have survived another day. Romney’s former partner credits Mitt Romney with saving his daughter’s life, saying, “It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die.”

So, here’s my epiphany: Mitt Romney simply can’t help himself. He sees a problem, and his mind immediately sets to work solving it, sometimes consciously, and sometimes not-so-consciously. He doesn’t do it for self-aggrandizement, or for personal gain. He does it because that’s just how he’s wired.

Many people are unaware of the fact that when Romney was asked by his old employer, Bill Bain, to come back to Bain & Company as CEO to rescue the firm from bankruptcy, Romney left Bain Capital to work at Bain & Company for an annual salary of one dollar. When Romney went to the rescue of the 2002 Salt Lake Olympics, he accepted no salary for three years, and wouldn’t use an expense account. He also accepted no salary as Governor of Massachusetts.

Character counts!! (and yes...that's worth reading again!)

Here is the latest from Rasmussen, the most accurate pollster over the last two presidential elections – this is among 'Likely Voters', which is much more accurate than polls of 'Registered Voters' since polls of Registered Voters typically overstate the Democrat by about 4% compared with actual results (Republicans are more likely to vote);

Electoral Votes for Obama (strong + leaners) = 246

Electoral Votes for Romney (strong + leaners) = 192

There are 7 'Battleground States' – CO, FL, IA, NC, OH, VA, WI. In those states, Romney has a slight lead in FL, IA, NC, OH and WI, with 78 Electoral Votes which would bring him to the magic number of 270 Electoral Votes to win. In the other two states of CO and VA, with 22 Electoral Votes the candidates are exactly tied among Likely Voters.

One other point worth mentioning is that 'Undecided Voters' typically go to the challenger (Romney in this case) by anywhere from 60% to 90%, and with about 8% in the 'Undecided' column, Romney has a distinct advantage at this time – the 'best guess' at this time is Romney with 292 Electoral Votes to 246 for Obama. But of course the election is months away, and anything could happen. The link is as follows;

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard

Anyone that believes congress or the president can actually create jobs needs to educate themselves

Sure they can make a new opening for a janitor in the white house but that money comes from tax payers who inturn will not be able to buy things in order to sustain the janitor position at McDonalds.

The only way jobs are created is by need and mutual productivity. The only way the government could HELP in that area is by now requiring people to get a licence and pay out the nose for unneeded training programs to cut flowers or lawns..

Obama never made one job neither did Bush (I or II) or Reagan or Nixon or Carter or Clinton..

They cannot. They blab about how they can but they cannot. The ridiculous thing is people believe them. The missteps of the past presidents including Obama has to do with not balancing the damn budget! Then came stimulus over stimulus over bail outs. none of which worked. Why Obama continued the George Bush policies after he was elected is beyond reason. Why he kept gitmo and the patriot act and the NDAA and afganistan and TSA going is infuriating. Everything he was supposed to do and fix he kept going and in some case made worse. How the heck do you do it worse than bush! Its time for him to keep his promises. Oh and balance the budget the republican congress and the Clinton administration did it together why can't we do it now?

Exactly Ted. The only thing to look at is what are your politicians doing to make a friendly environment for our businesses to prosper. The ONLY way to get out of our financial mess is to grow the economy. It is not possible to tax or cut ones way out of this mess.

Another thing people incorrectly correlate is taxes with debt. Just because one raises or lowers taxes doesn't make debt go up or down, spending does. Take either side of the argument, raise or lower taxes and you get $50 Billion extra. Then Washington goes out and spends another $200 Billion and tax policy doesn't correlate with which ever theory one wants. Thats what the govt always does and won't change anytime soon.

mj-1451595 - A fascist is not strickly a conservative extreme. In fact most socialist and all communist regimes ARE fascist. Socialism is an economic system NOT a political philosophy. Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy had a socialist economic system. In fact if you look at the full name of the Nazi party it was called the National Socialist Workers Party. Soviet Communism, or the U.S.S.R (Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics) was also a socialist economy and was equally fascist.

So that you understand, the actual definition of fascism is:

1. dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

This definition alone eliminates true American conservatives and libertarians from being fascist. Both these political philosophies believe in LESS government, not more. I say TRUE conservatives, because people like G.W. Bush and those that refer to themselves as "neo-cons" are not true conservatives and in my estimation are in fact nothing more than liberal lite.

Today's American liberals and neo-cons believe in big government, i.e. more government controls, and regulations, more taxes and reduction of freedoms under the guise of "doing what is best for the people". With but a little tweaking it wouldn't take much to turn that "benevolent socialism" into a dictatorship (fascism).

Not all countries with socialist economies are fascist, however the historical fact is ALL fascist governments of the last century were socialist economies.

Regarding this article the bias is quite apparent in the manner the author closes. As most knowledgeable columnists know the vast majority of people do not read the entire article they will read the first paragraph and the last and only scan the middle of the article. He opened and closed this article with negative references about Romney.

What I suggest is for BOTH Republicans and Democrats on this thread go to FactCheck.org and read the articles on the exaggerations from both sides. I will say though of the two, Obama and the Democrats in this election are the worse culprits of exaggeration and fabrication of the facts.

So that everyone knows I am neither a democrat or republican and I will NOT vote for either clown.

Gary Johnson - Libertarian Candidate for President - http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

mj-1451595

A liberal will NEVER be a fascist. Get that? A liberal will NEVER be a fascist. Fascism is conservatism taken to the extreme.

You are like most libeals in that you just don't get it. You liberals have been raising hell because conservatives have said they want government to be "small enough to drown in a bathtub." Conservatives are for less government and more for self governance but they are not for no gaovernment. That would put them to the left of anarchists but the right of dictatorships and monarchies. So a fascist would be left of a conservative and a great many of you liberals sound a hell of a lot like fascists.

RLMAO reading this article...Outsourcing? The President better speak to his Senators from NY and CA about outsourcing jobs before gearing up of an attack on Mitt Romney. He needs to explain to the American people why 2 powerhouse DEM states decided to outsource 2 HUGE infrastructure projects to the Chinese...

Unethical Predatory Practices Imposed on U.S.

April 21, 2012 Thomas Heffner

The United States is in open competition with the same countries from which we buy our goods and finance our government. These countries supply our consumption while simultaneously competing fiercely against our companies in international markets. Nations like India, Japan and China, along with trade blocs like the European Union, rail against “protectionism” in the U.S. because they do not want to have their unfettered access to our market tampered with.

The United States is told that it must oblige to its commitment to “free trade,” not because it is in our best interest, but because it is in our foreign creditors’ best interest. They want the current system to continue unimpeded. Foreign exporters finance our government so the U.S. can continue functioning, and then they make all of their money back through the goods we buy from them. The U.S. government then pays back its finance charges and over time foreign financiers virtually double their investments. The United States is told that it must keep up its end of the “free trade” bargain. Meanwhile other countries skirt the rules, using hostile practices to put our companies out of business and capture sectors of the market.

Other countries limit and restrict the amount of American-made goods flowing into their markets. The United States puts up no such regulations, and is thus flooded with foreign-made goods. The WTO, NAFTA, and other “free trade” agreements favor the foreign producers in this equation, and the United States is not one of them. We are told by these international trade regimes that we cannot and should not protect our own economy. Through “free trade” the U.S. must open itself up to all foreign interests.

Our government has eroded its own regulations regarding capital infusions, mergers and acquisitions, and foreign-takeovers. To make matters worse, all successful American companies are for sale on an open stock market. As a result the United States has lost thousands of companies to foreign takeovers in the past 30 years, and stands to lose even more as the economic crisis deepens. The same cannot be said of other countries, where takeovers are closely regulated and major industrial champions rarely – if ever – get purchased by an interest overseas.

It is inevitable our foreign competitors have economically conquered us. Our fate is sealed. Most Americans do not realize the gravity of the situation because so much of the media attention is directed in favor of the “free trade” system that has bankrupted us. Scholars, politicians, professionals, and others from all walks of life have been indoctrinated into the idea that “free trade” is the best and only way to do business. Our political leaders believe in the whimsical idea, and those that do not preach the fallacies of “free trade” are bought and paid for by major corporate interests and foreign lobbies.

With this arrangement we are inexorably heading into the 21st century as an American colony at full speed. Our experiment with economic freedom, one which has gone on since 1776, is doomed at this rate. It was great while it lasted.

As an economically conquered nation we have no ability to resist this economic and political pressure. Our factories are shuttered and our industries are unproductive. This country imports consumer goods which could and should otherwise be made at home. It exports its wealth, strength, and prestige in exchange.

With no internal capabilities remaining and no strength, we are happy that our colonial masters even give us a job. There are thousands of foreign-owned, American-registered companies in the United States. Many of the automobile factories which presently supply our car market are foreign-owned. Our state, local, and federal governments continue to offer tax breaks and subsidies to these foreign companies in exchange for a few American jobs even after this practice drove our own automakers to the point of dissolution.

In the near future we may find our living standard diminished and our prospects for growth and economic independence dampened. Without any homegrown industries to drive a comeback we will be forced to be content with our diminishing status. While formerly living in the lap of luxury we allowed the greatest economy on earth to fall apart by living on imports and foreign-financed debt. The “me first” mentality which drove this country has pushed us into a crisis from which we will not return, if we do not start fixing our problems now.

Check this site out: economyincrisis.org

economyincrisis.org/content/protectionism-matter-self-survival#comment-6632

economyincrisis.org/content/unethical-predatory-practices

Too bad we'll never see these types of articles in the mainstream media

Protectionism is a matter of self-survival

by William Cormier

I have watched in horror as our economy has constantly been undermined by corporate greed and the very basis for America’s Middle-class’ existence has been outsourced to other nations in the name of “Free-Trade,” which is a misnomer; so-called “free trade” has been one of the underlying factors that is/has destroyed America’s Middle-class.

“Protectionism,” as those who label anything that attempts to keep our economy robust and sound, is quite the opposite. Opting to outsource our light and heavy manufacturing, from the very beginning was destined to destroy our economy and turn us into a “service-based” economy,” which we now know has destroyed the “American Dream” for millions of our citizens and has effectively destroyed our Middle-class. As people apply the term protectionism as it pertains to outsourcing and the destruction of our Middle-class was and has been a “conspiracy” to transfer the wealth of the nation to the elites and “corpracy” that now appear to rule our nation; the impact of this globalization is now threatening the very existence of our entire social structure and the outsourcing still continues unabated.

Protectionism is a matter of self-survival if we ever intend to regain any semblance of the “American Dream.” It’s vital that Americans understand that in order to pull ourselves out of a collapsing economy, it is imperative that we bring back our light and heavy manufacturing, make “buying American” a matter of patriotism, and throw off the belief that protecting well-paid American jobs is not protectionism, but a matter of survival to each and every U.S. citizen whom are now losing their jobs by the millions each year.

Further, in my opinion, “The U.S. Chamber of Commerce” is not in any way interested in protecting the American people, but is in fact an extremely powerful lobby that represents the “Corpracy”–not the American people!

The US Chamber of Commerce is un-American and does not represent the American people. It’s time to rid ourselves of these powerful lobbies that represent the interests of big business and the national interests of other countries. We, the American people, have to wake-up and understand that our survival as a nation depends on bringing back our light and heavy manufacturing.

Much to my surprise, CNN published a commentary written by Virg Bernero, the Mayor of Lansing, Michigan, and it is a commentary that every one of should read, as it reflects the true nature of our economic conundrum.

The cold, hard truth is that the unholy alliance between Washington and Wall Street has sold out the American worker and exported our standard of living.

Driven by the insatiable greed of Wall Street profiteers and accelerated by the false promise of free trade, our manufacturing base has been chased out of this country and along with it the livelihood of millions of hard-working Americans.

It’s fashionable these days among the politicians, pundits and so-called experts to claim that free trade is actually good for us. They say it enables us to buy cheaper goods made with cheap foreign labor and this, in turn, raises our standard of living.

Excerpt from Virg Bernero’s article “Free trade has sold out the American worker:”
With all due respect, the free traders need to ask themselves a more fundamental question: how will Americans buy those goods when they don’t even have a paycheck that covers their mortgage, much less the college tuition for their children?

In summation, if you believe that Microsoft lobbying to increase H-1B Visas to import more foreign workers to replace American held jobs is helpful to the American economy, or IBM suggesting that Americans migrate to India so they can increase their bottom lines is “patriotic,” then I suggest that it’s you who are un-American! We “the people” need to “lobby” our own Congress to support American workers and work to bring back our light and heavy manufacturing, and anything else is contrary to repairing our economy and restoring America’s Middle-Class. Those who believe that “The best price is always the best deal” have to understand that it is that philosophy which has helped to destroy our economy–and if “Change is coming” to the United States–part of that change has to be supporting American workers, not the interests of the “corapacy” who have successfully robbed and raped the very essence of what made our country the economic powerhouse that has since been reduced to a smoldering shell of what used to be a strong and patriotic United States.

It's obvious that the foreign interests are influencing our media as well, just watch the ABC Nightline special on Apple’s iPhone and iPad products being made in China that ends with the dramatic biased comment “That you can be the nation that lines up to make these products or the nation the lines up to buy them, but it’s impossible to be both”. What BS propaganda! ABC has direct ties to Apple and Foxconn.

In looking at this 2012 presidential campaign, so far, is anyone else except me reminded of two pre-adolescent boys engaged in a playground pissing competition? And both children appear to lack the good sense to turn away from the wind!

For some reason I thought America was better than this, but ... I guess we only get what we demand. And high caliber behavior and honest, civil rhetoric seems quaint, and little in demand.

It seems to me that our Republic is circling the drain, and that no one seems greatly interested in inserting the stopper (especially if it involves personal sacrifice or a little political courage).

What a shame; we once had such promise. You know, 'back in the day' when we could actually talk to each other, and listen to the other person's point of view, and dream big dreams and accomplish great things!

Sad, really.

Romney also said "When decades of the same promises produce the same failures, its reasonable to reassess the solutions". Well, after 200 yrs. of perpetual war, WHY are we implementing the same knee-jerk responses to the same invisible enemies (i.e. war on terrorism, drugs, poverty, communism, ad nauseum...). The party don't mean jack. Every politician's credibility is overshadowed by his/her hypocrosy. Robert in Ore. - you're dead nuts right. Every American has to take personal responsibility & for their country. That's gonna take a major shift in conciousness & a little sacrifice. It's harder to think about than to do. Whether we like it or not - everyone over the age of 21 is teaching by example. Are you writing your REPRESENTATIVE & telling him/her to earn their pay, or at least visiting a VA hospital with a child? Or are you sending your 'significant other' to the store for a powerball ticket?

Romney says more defense spending is more important than education spending. Come on people! We had 7+ security agencies before 9/11/01. We have 2 more & the people are still scared. Drone strikes are up by 5000%, they're even flyin' over Denver & LA & people are still scared. We have the greatest military in history & people are still scared. We have bombers you can't see & nuclear weapons floating under sea & people are still scared. We can watch a hellfire missle go through a muslim's window on the other side of the world, BUT - because the people don't stand up, we can't protect an 8 yr. old girl walking in our own neighborhood. Time to check our fear & reassess our enemy. Understanding eliminates fear, education creates understanding. Teach your children well.

GhostofNixon: "invisible enemies"?...tell that one to the people that died on 9/11. Tell that one to Brian Terry's family...and any other family that has lost a loved one from our "invisible" enemies..."time to check our fear and reassess our enemy"....really, what world do you live in?...certainly not mine.

juanita,

I think you missed his point. He listed the invisible enemies and 9/11 was not one of them. The "War on Drugs" alone has cost this country a ridiculous amount of money with no real results. The "War on Terror" cost this country a ridiculous amount of money with no results. How do you fight terror? OH, I know! You have the government constantly feed you fear. Fear keeps you in your place. What world do you live in?

Juanita, do you still believe that the 9/11 disasters were orchestrated outside of our government? No. I in no way live in your world. The FBI, CIA, NSA, military intelligence, Naval itelligence, INS, Immagration & Customs Enforcement, U.S. Marshalls...all dropped the ball. The USAF units assigned to protect that coast were all on 'training missions' somewhere else. Cops on the scene at the WTC reported multiple explosions in the buildings. Plain 8th grade physics will prove that a ball dropped from the top of the WTC would hit the ground in less than 10 seconds. The top floor of the WTC hit its own footprint in less than 10 seconds - as if it had no resistance beneath it. As a welder I know that steel melts at 2600 degrees. I don't even guess at what temp. it would melt if it were protected by concrete. Jet fuel (enhanced kerosene) burns at 1300 degrees. Investigators reported thermite residue on the beams & columns at the base of the WTC (if you've never cleared a landing zone for a battalion of helicopters in triple canopy jungle, I don't expect you to know what thermite residue looks like). Too many coincidences. Too many failures. Too many lying cops. Too many lying investigators. You make a choice - was the Bush administration in compliance with outside sources, or did they engineer the whole operation, or were they just brain dead? No ma'am, I do not live in your world. I do not believe in the Easter bunny or the boogey man or that 2 + 2 = 5. Use common sense (look it up & look up the words 'false flag operation').

Nomoresameo - the companies that outsource jobs have 2 main reasons for it.
1) They either have to outsource to be able to sell their products overseas or

2) To be competitive with the competition.
As pointed out above - a number of the companies that received Stimulus funding actually put more jobs overseas and never intended to produce in the US (Fiskar) or found out that they couldn't compete with foreign companies (Solyndra).

It's time for everyone to sit back and read from a number of different sources - try both MSNBC and Fox News - see what both sides are saying and decide for yourself where the truth is. Typically the truth is somewhere between the two!

Simple facts - Romney has not "off-shored" any jobs.

Obama has "off-shored" thousands of jobs using tax money and borrowed money that tax payers must repay to the tune of $29 billion.

The article says "but Obama wants to stop this.... blah blah blah. WHO CARES? This man is a pathological LIAR. HE IS off-shoring American jobs to Mexico and elsewhere using our tax dollars.

So the LIAR-in-chief lies like a persian rug and the media just nods and goes along with the lie.

Does no one on the left tell the truth any more about anything?

Just like Wasserman-Schults making millions in her "off-shore" investments, and Nancy Pelosi earning $1.5 million on her Asian investments. These are ACTUAL government employees, screaming about something Mitt didn't do while they are actually doing it themselves!!!!

The joke is up liberals, the lies are no longer working, Obama is toast in November as is Dem control of the Senate.

Juanita - in the 50s, a B-17 bomber hit the empire state building in NY. It destroyed 2 floors, but the building stood. In recent history, a fire incinerated several floors of a high rise in china, but the building stood. Niether of these buildings had to comply with the construction codes that the WTC has had to meet every year since the 60s. In 91, a truck load of explosives was detonated in the parking garage under the WTC, but the building stood. I have had the unfortunate luck to witness a couple of air disasters - the first being a chinook helicopter in Long Binh Rep. of V.N. Like others, I commented on the fact that after such a disaster, there are always more shoes than victims. The reason I mention this is because on 9/11/01, none of the usual debris was present at the pentagon crash. No aircraft debris, no bodys, no cushions, luggage... no damage from the wingspans or the engines. Just a missile sized hole & a witness that did not hear a plane - just an explosion. Who is your enemy? Bin laden? Well he, like manuel noriega before him & saddam hussein after him & lee harvey oswald & timothy mcveigh, for that matter, was, at one time or another a CIA employee. You tell me, baby - who's your enemy? Not me, I'm just another john waitin to be blowed away. At least I'm gonna see it comin'. I envy your ignorance - bliss, ain't it?

For those who insist that President Obama is somehow just as guilty of offshoring jobs as candidate Romney is, the Democrats did try to pass a piece of legislation in 2009 that would have enacted serious financial penalties against companies that tried to offshore American jobs, and while the bill passed the Democrat-controlled House, in the Senate the Republicans voted in lockstep 41-0 to filibuster the bill, despite the bill enjoying the support of 59 Senators too!

Isn't it too bad that Senator Kennedy died and a Republican replaced him midterm, going against the wishes of the 2008 Massachusetts electorate, and ending the filibuster-proof Democrat majority in the Senate, as if that hadn't happened, that bill would have become law, and countless American jobs that have been lost to offshoring since would have been protected instead!

Yeah, candidate Romney, both in his recent service as Massachusetts Governor as well as in his involvement with Bain Capital, have a whole lot to be proud of when it comes to saving or creating American jobs....NOT!!! Heck, Romney doesn't even like to keep his record profits in US banks either, instead preferring offshore banks where he can avoid having to pay US taxes on his profits too!

There are only two viable candidates for President this Fall, and the bottom 90% of us in income could do a whole lot better than to elect a corporate raider who has for many years specialized in destroying American middle-class jobs and profiting off of the spoils!

'GhostOfNixon' wrote:

" ....on 9/11/01, none of the usual debris was present at the pentagon crash. No aircraft debris, no bodys, no cushions, luggage... no damage from the wingspans or the engines. Just a missile sized hole & a witness that did not hear a plane - just an explosion."

Wow, what utter garbage. Not so fast there, Buckaroo ....

American Airlines Flight 77 The crashed into the western side of the Pentagon at 09:37 EDT. Dozens of people witnessed the crash and news sources began reporting on the incident within minutes. The impact severely damaged an area of the Pentagon and caused a large fire. A portion of the Pentagon collapsed; firefighters spent days trying to fully extinguish the blaze.

Army troops from Fort Belvoir were the first teams to survey the interior of the crash site and noted the presence of human remains. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Urban Search and Rescue teams, including Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue assisted the search for remains, working through the National Interagency Incident Management System (NIIMS). Kevin Rimrodt, a Navy photographer surveying the Navy Command Center after the attacks, remarked that "there were so many bodies, I'd almost step on them. So I'd have to really take care to look backwards as I'm backing up in the dark, looking with a flashlight, making sure I'm not stepping on somebody". Debris from the Pentagon were taken to the Pentagon's north parking lot for more detailed search for remains and evidence.

Remains that were recovered from the Pentagon were photographed, and turned over to the Armed Forces Medical Examiner office, located at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. The medical examiner's office was able to identify remains belonging to 179 of the victims. Investigators eventually identified 184 of the 189 people who died in the attack. The remains of the five hijackers were identified through a process of elimination, and were turned over as evidence to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). On September 21, the ACFD relinquished control of the crime scene to the FBI. The Washington Field Office, National Capital Response Squad (NCRS), and the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) led the crime scene investigation at the Pentagon. By October 2, 2001, the search for evidence and remains was complete and the site was turned over to Pentagon officials. In 2002, the remains of 25 victims were buried collectively at Arlington National Cemetery, with a five-sided granite marker inscribed with the names of all the victims in the Pentagon. The ceremony also honored the five (5) victims whose remains were never found.

American Airlines Flight 77 Cockpit voice recorder

A photograph of the cockpit voice recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, as used in an exhibit at the Moussaoui trial

At around 3:40 a.m on September 14, a paramedic and a firefighter who were searching through the debris of the impact site found two dark boxes, about 1.5 feet (46 cm) by 2 feet (61 cm) long. They called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The NTSB employee confirmed that these were the flight recorders ("black boxes) from American Airlines Flight 77. Dick Bridges, deputy manager for Arlington County, Virginia, said the voice recorder was damaged on the outside and the flight data recorder was charred. But he said the FBI still was confident the data can be recovered from both. Bridges said the recorders were found "right where the plane came into the building."

Officials at both American Airlines and United Airlines said the black boxes aboard their destroyed aircraft were modern solid-state versions, which are more resistant to damage than the older magnetic tape recorders. The cockpit voice recorder was quickly transported to the NTSB lab in Washington, D.C., and its data was downloaded. Soon afterward, the FBI took charge of the box and its data. CBS News reported that "Preliminary information shows there is nothing that appears to be useful on the cockpit voice tape. The tape appears to be blank or erased." In its report on the CVR, the NTSB identified the unit as an L-3 Communications, Fairchild Aviation Recorders model A-100A cockpit voice recorder; a device which records on magnetic tape. The NTSB reported that "The majority of the recording tape was fused into a solid block of charred plastic." No usable segments of tape were found inside the recorder.

'GhostOfNixon', given the relative ease of researching on-line and finding factual information, it is a curiosity to me why individuals instead seek-out, and buy-into, and perpetuate wild and ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as those contained in your posts.

Why do you do that? Can you explain to us why truth is so distasteful and unsatisfying to you that you have to invent your own 'facts', or perpetuate falsehoods invented by others?

I would think that a guilty conscience might serve as some sort of moral compass to correct the path of individuals who dissemble, and perpetuate such unworthy drivel.

But that's just me ....

'GhostOfNixon' wrote:

"Juanita - in the 50s, a B-17 bomber hit the empire state building in NY. It destroyed 2 floors, but the building stood...."

Oh please. Knock it off. Stop your dissembling. The plane which hit the Empire State Building (in 1945) was not a B-17 bomber. It was a much smaller North American twin engine propeller driven B-25 Mitchell. The airplanes which hit the World Trade Center towers were fully fueled Boeing 767-200 jetliners.

FUEL CAPACITY:
B-25 Mitchell = 974 gallons
Boeing 767-200 = 24,100 gallons
(= 24.74 times the B-25 fuel load)

CRUISING SPEED:
B-25 Mitchell = 230 mph
Boeing 767-200 = 530 mph
(= 2.3 times the B-25 cruise speed)

OPERATING EMPTY WEIGHT:
B-25 Mitchell = 21,100 lbs.
Boeing 767-200 = 181,610 lbs.
(= 8.61 times the B-25 empty weight)

GROSS WEIGHT (with fuel):
B-25 Mitchell = 35,000 lbs.
Boeing 767-200 = 395,000 lbs.
(= 11.29 times the B-25 gross weight)

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You do the math, Einstein. Now stop disseminating your silly nonsensical conspiracy theories and fabricated fantasies. You are making a complete fool of yourself.

Truth may not be interesting enough for you, but you should be ashamed to spread fabricated garbage. Do you think your lies honors or dishonors the lives lost on September 11, 2001. I suggest you grow up!

If you are at all interested in learning the truth, read the report ....

JOURNAL OF METALLURGY: SPECIAL REPORT: "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

'The gist: "I'm rubber; you're glue -- your words bounce off me and stick to you." '

Cute trick by the pro-Obama authors. Give their own slanted 'summary' and give the impression that it came from the Romney camp.

How about letting the readers draw their own conclusions instead of trying to make it for them?

Old Timer-88224 "For those who insist that President Obama is somehow just as guilty of offshoring jobs"

I think you have a misunderstanding about 'offshoring jobs'. When you fire someone in this country so you can hire a foreign worker - that's 'offshoring'.

When you create a new job in a foreign country that did not result in laying someone off in this country - that's not 'offshoring', because if that was the case, then Obama was guilty of offshoring BIG TIME when he used federal money for companies like SOLYNDRA that used parts made in China as part of their operations.

as an independent reading these posts i would have to give the libs the award for being nasty. no wonder washington cant get anything. all you people need to look in the mirror. i think i would have to give the main award to the nasty redhead. wonder if she has any friends. cant we all just get along

The nasty redhead never seems to be banned either. Lots of conservative posters are banned for far less than the hate she spews and yet she gets a 'pass.' Can we state that MSNBC is biased to the far left? Why, yes we can! Yes, we can, etc. ad nauseum. Remember the little Obama supporters parroting his 'yes, we can' inauguration speech? Reminded me of the good little germans prior to WWII. The cult of personality in action.

Rick...

Fascism is when corporations run the state...communism is when the state runs the corporations. I know it's hard those on the right to understand these things, so pretend that I'm speaking very slowly...

Umm, so you prefer that the state controls everything? Socialism is indeed the phase that Marx called the stage between capitalism and communism.

Even GM uses parts made in China or in other parts of Asia, and they have done so since the late 1980s that I know of, as well as plenty of parts made in southern right-to-work States too that have displaced many thousands of formerly union jobs in the Great Lakes region too. So to do our West Coast defense contractors use Asian-made parts. In fact, during Reagan's first term, 1981-1985, traffic through the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach combined increased by 1500% while at the same time the Great Lakes region suffered through a recession nearly as bad as our current one.

Put another way, the GW Bush administration signed over 30 different overseas free-trade agreements during its tenure, and so far President Obama has only signed a single one that originated during his tenure in the Oval Office. The staunch opposition in Congress by conservatives to protecting middle-class US jobs from unfair foreign competition is rather telling too, just as this effort to widen the Panama Canal will be to as many as a million US middle-class jobs involved in moving overseas shipments between West Coast ports and our Midwest, and both maintaining and servicing that transportation process too.

So you can whine and cry about chicken-feed issues like Solandra all that you want Roy, as your political party and its supporters are guilty of trying to destroy the US middle class at least 100 to 1, if not far more, over what the Democrats and their supporters have done, who did and would support passing financial penalties as well as unfair trade restraints against mainly conservative-run companies that would willfully try to circumvent US worker's rights, worker safety, income tax, and environmental protection laws, in the furtherance of the conservative goal to divert US middle class income into wealthy conservative coffers, thereby greatly reducing liberal middle class political influence, as well as to render the US workforce non-competitive through cuts to education and infrastructure funding too.

Say Roy, which scandal cost the US taxpayers more in constant value Dollars, the $535 million in loan guarantees to Solandra in 2009 that represented less than 2% of the total US-DOE investment in alternative energy sources, or, the $1 Billion that it cost US taxpayers to bail-out Silverado Savings & Loan in 1988, that GW's sibling Neil Bush ran into the ground in the mid-1980s making all kinds of questionable loans to his dad's buddies in the oil and gas industry, after oil prices fell in 1986. Gee, I wonder if any of Neil's loan recipients used some of their loan proceeds to donate to Republican candidates, and then had taxpayers bail their contributions out when Silverado failed? Perhaps the entire candidacies of both Bush Sr and his son GW can be attributed to stripping Silverado of $1 Billion in mid-1980s-value Dollars?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2011/09/02/solyndras-failure-is-no-reason-to-abandon-federal-energy-innovation-policy/

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3330.htm

What you conservatives seem to want so badly is to hold or control virtually all income and power, preside over a slave-labor workforce that is totally dependent for their survival on your generosity or lack thereof, and have the power to destroy anyone who opposes your goal to environmentally destroy the Earth and its underlings too.

At least the Democrats would seem to desire a future where all Americans have a fair chance to enjoy middle-class income security, as well as a desire to protect what's left of our planet in the hope that future generations will be able to enjoy livable lives, and that is who I will be voting for this Fall too.

Wow, so you have bought the party line, hook line and sinker. You really believe the rhetoric? Middle class income and security comes from what? You think the democrats are good at producing wealth? Perhaps for themselves, not seen too much good coming out of democrats running cities and states lately. Wonder why.

GM seems to have escaped your notice, ditto the finnish electric cars. S Korean free trade, Brazil, automobile plants going where? Certainly not here. Obama signed off on Solyndra despite the fact that the company was in the tank and the facts were out there in large red letters. Sorry, when you toss half a billion taxpayer dollars into a company that is known to be failing and all the taxpayers got out of it was a good photo op of Obama looking like the friend of solar energy, you really shouldn't brag too much. Attempting to dismiss it is typical, now, please, show us all the other failed companies that Obama tossed money into. The list is rather long.

What about the Bush family and Silverado and a couple of dozen other frauds, which cost us taxpayers 15 or 20 times what the Solandra loan guarantee did in constant-value Dollars, which does not even include the costs associated with the Bush family's friendliness with Saudi royals? And frankly, we can't keep burning fossil fuels either if we want our grandchildren to be able to live on the half of our planet between the latitude of the US/Canadian border and the latitude of Santiago, Chile, so some government investment in alternative renewable energy source research would seem to be a pretty responsible agenda despite the occasional failure and its cost to taxpayers too.

I think that you are the one that has bought the party line hook, line, and sinker, (the wealthy conservative party line) as middle-class income and security in America almost entirely comes from demand growth and the ability of the working and middle classes to afford to buy consumer products, not because of the disposable income of any particular wealthy person, who often try to shield their income from US taxation or spend their income abroad, where it benefits almost nobody in America.

If our wages and tax collections do not increase because we allow cheap foreign-made products into our marketplace, we will not have the revenue necessary to maintain our infrastructure, maintain a responsible level of defense spending, and a responsible level of social spending, or technological and business investment, so America is obviously going to be a nation in decline over the long-term if you conservatives get your way too. Why is it that it seems that the conservative goal for America is to greatly reduce our standard of living and our international competitiveness too?

Frankly, if you are an American and you want to sell your products here, that why shouldn't your products be made here using American workers, and why shouldn't your income and profit be subject to American taxation and compliance with American laws too?

Bill Gates is a Democrat, and there are plenty of other wealthy Democrats such as the Kennedy family too, and there are plenty of dirt-poor, poorly-educated conservatives who blindly let other people do their critical thinking for them too!

When you play the class warfare game everybody loses. How much does it cost a company to employ someone? How many taxes are there and how difficult is it to get rid of deadwood and unproductive employees. Regulations can be onerous as well. Business exists to make a profit, not to pay money to employ people, despite the rhetoric.

The democrats you mentioned, the wealthy democrats. The Kennedys have been notorious crooks from the get-go. Where do you think ol' Joseph got his money, and if you dig a little into Viet Nam, you may notice that the Kennedy family profited nicely from said 'conflict.' Bill Gates got nailed big time and after the feds came down on him, he suddenly became philanthropic. Where did the Rockefellers get their money? Standard oil comes to mind. Sorry, just because a person is rich, and a democrat, doesn't suddenly make them above reproach, lots of skeletons in those wealthy democrat closets.

As to standard of living and competitiveness, well now, why do you think companies have it so tough over here? Globalization where countries like China, communist countries that use slave and prison labor are hard to compete against. Not to mention the Chinese have no regulations on environment, labor relations, unions and a host of other things (did I mention the Chinese don't provide healthcare for their workers) which American companies must comply with. Kind of hard to compete when you have to add all those items to the cost of the final product. A fifteen thousand dollar car made over here needs to add in the union labor costs, the pensions and other items, so that fifteen thousand dollar car can cost upwards of 1,500 to 2,000 more than a foreign car.

The money tossed at 'green energy' companies for the most part is a total bust. Do yourself a favor and see how many companies besides Solyndra have gotten the money and gone bust. As to the Bush family, no defense there outside of the fact that they are not alone. How much money has Nancy Pelosi squirreled away? How much money has she channeled into her family and friend's direction? Noted as well that no mention was made of Corzine. How many BILLIONS did he lose and why is he walking free and bundling money for Obama?

Generally among the blue-collar workforce in more than half of America, firing an unproductive employee is as simple as telling them to get lost, and in most States a justifiable reason to deny such an ex-employee unemployment compensation too. The same is basically true of most lower and mid-level white-collar employees. The only difficulty firing workers occurs in States with strong union protection laws, where most union contracts stipulate a disciplinary procedure that includes verbal and written warnings before termination is possible, though most such contracts also include instant termination offenses too. Among upper-echelon corporate leaders, the only difficulty getting rid of such an employee us that a separation agreement is generally involved too. So your complaint about getting rid of "dead wood" is largely unfounded.

Yes, the Kennedy's made a lot of money bootlegging liquor across Lake Champlain from Canada when the US had prohibition, and Rockefeller made a lot of money at Standard Oil when it was a monopoly, as well as at Colorado Fuel & Iron when he had the legal right to force his employees to work in very dangerous and unhealthy working conditions, he had the right to import foreign replacement workers whenever the workers got tired of being walked all over, and he even had the legal right to hire strike-breaking militia to machine-gun his workers and their families whenever they went on strike too! The Carnegie, Gould, and Vanderbuilt families made a whole lot of money back when it was legal to walk all over their workers too, though in his defense, after Carnegie's private dam in Pennsylvania collapsed and killed 10,000 bottom 90% types in Johnstown, he became a wealthy philanthropist who paid out of his own pocket to give hundreds of public parks and public libraries to many American communities too, something that wealthy Republicans might learn something from and aspire to also.

So, what you are telling me is that you support the right of the more than 5000 US companies, that have abandoned America to try to circumvent our worker's rights, worker safety, corporate and personal income tax, and environmental protection laws, in search of greater profits that they can earn here, to import back into America their foreign-made products in an attempt to destroy American jobs left at their remaining domestic competitors, and greatly reduce the standard of living here for almost everyone among the bottom 95% of us? By the way, China is no-longer communist either, in fact, average wages paid in China's coastal manufacturing cities have increased by 500-600% since foreign trade laws with China were greatly liberalized during the GW Bush administration, and the average apartment in Shanghai is now worth several times of what it is in Chicago or LA too.

I'll have you know that there is only about 30-40 years of oil inexpensive-enough for the vast majority of us to afford remaining in the world, and that figure comes from numerous widely-respected oil industry and oil trade organizations worldwide. Also, if we have to both power our cars and trucks with natural gas, and convert many millions of homes and businesses in the Northeast from heating oil to natural gas too, that supply won't last 50 more years, and if the fracking industry is further-restricted over environmental problems, that number will drop considerably. So what do you propose that our world do in the remaining time frame to find new sources of energy capable of powering a worldwide oil demand that will increase by half within the next 12-13 years? Drill, baby, drill?

People who can't see past their immediate future amaze me. Who cares what happens to our grandchildren, so let's waste all of our natural resources as fast as possible so that a few of us can make more money now than the next guy can??? Frankly young lady, in 50-75 years, the way that most Republicans so want things now, a world dominated by greed, instant gratification, and an out-of-control addiction to wealth, our grand-kids might have to eat our money to survive!!!

And, if we keep on burning fossil fuels until they are all depleted, modern science the world over has already forecast that the middle half of our planet, measured pole to pole, approximately between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, will be too warm to support human life on a year-round basis. What do you think that such an outcome would do for property values and our economy? How will any nation outside of that dead zone absorb billions of climate refugees considering that we live on a planet of finite size, with finite supplies of resources, and a finite economy??? But like I said, people like you could care less what happens to our descendents, or even to anyone that you walk all over so that you can be wealthier than they are.

Conservative wealth has seemingly lost any empathy or compassion for their fellow man, and have turned all of human life but themselves into how much profit or loss is involved, which frankly makes 90% of Americans and in fact 90% of our world's population a redundant drag on profit. Because the era of world colonialism is over, now you wealthy types are basically trying to make everyone below wealthy a colonial slave that exists solely dependent on your generosity or lack thereof?

I personally feel that America and our entire world would be a whole lot better off if we built a huge rocket, put all of you top 1% types in it, put enough fuel and supplies in it to get it past Pluto, and designed it so that no course-correction was possible. It would be the ride of a lifetime, and paying for it would cost all of the rest of us a sizable chunk of money too, but think how much better off our world would be without a small percentage of our population hogging all of our remaining resources, while they rip-off and walk all over everyone else in furtherance of their addiction to become King of the Hill?

Believe me, it costs a whole lot less to employ someone in America, even while cheerfully abiding by all of our rules and regulations, than it does for America to continue to allow an out-of-control addiction to wealth, which will surely bankrupt most of us within our lifetimes.

The Tea Baggers and their Republican allies are society's rats.

They offer nothing of value to anyone, hide behind the rhetoric of growth while pursuing economic suicide, claim to be holier than thou while harboring more hatred than any one person can carry without imploding, claim to be more productive while they hoard their wealth, and more greedy as they avoid taxes and destroy social supports..

I've seen for the last few years what the Dems have to offer. It's not that exciting either.

People are blaming politicians for something that politicians cant do. They can promise to make it rain but they cannot actually bring the rain. They pray it happens on their watch so they can take credit for it. Neither side republicans or Democrats can make it rain, the american people must do so. They need to balance the budget and restore our freedoms by getting rid of the NDAA, the TSA, DHS, the unpatriot act, and stay out of the way of hard working americans that want to work!

Tea Dwarf

What wealth? Why do you assume all conservatives are rich? You're an ass. Hollywood is loaded with rich libs-how come no mention of that? As for hate-you're running your pie hole about how much you obviously hate anyone who doesn't agree with your leftist views. Too f###ing bad. Get over your wannabe tough guy self. You sure as hell don't impress me. Why don't you go cry to all those liberals who have money up their ass. Do you honestly believe Republicans have anything to gain by making sure the rich Democrats keep their money? Are you really that stupid???

On another note, it's interesting that MSNBC apparently missed the rebuttal in the Washington Post, about his "outsourcing". What I find pretty pathetic, is that Obama has the nerve to claim outsourcing on Romney's part, but he had no problem outsourcing millions of jobs to illegal immigrants, who just send the U.S. Dollar to Mexico, not to mention other places overseas. He obviously also condones illegals not paying taxes, since they can't.

What cracks me up is all the libs making claims that conservatives are for and are only the rich. Of the top ten richest pols in Congress 8 are democrats. As 13BVET said look at all the Hollywood rich. Alec Baldwin who is the biggest blow hard of the Hollywood liberal elite made the claim in the 2004 election that if Bush was elected he would leave the country! I guess all that money he was making here in capitalist America was more important than his so-called standards - what a bunch of hypocrites.

dwarf the occupy people were what? saints. ive never seen violence at a tea party rally. not a member but i do have eyes

Tsk, he's just trolling. Like the good little comrade that he is, he is merely parroting the party line, following his script and not a braincell one functioning. Rather like a sound recording loop, the same lines, over and over and over....

JSMH - try looking at their actual policies. Republican economic policies all blatantly favor the rich, and the continued flow of money from the poor and middle-class to the rich.

Well, they may favor the rich, however, they don't destroy opportunity and hinder anyone from becoming rich, unlike democrats who work real hard at pretending to care for the 'little guy' while hiding all the money they make. Pelosi made millions last year and Wassernameschulz was industriously off-shoring her money, but hey, they are for the 'little guy.'

mygirl1 - if you actually looked at and understood their policies, you would see that yes, they absolutely do hinder "the little guy" from becoming rich. That's the nature of being regressive.

Ash Plissken, first of all "republican policies" are not the same as conservative policies. Unfortunately most people on this board and most people in general do not understand the difference. Just as not all democrats are liberal not all Republicans are conservative. Frankly I am in agreement with you to some degree. Republican politicians of late have not proven to me that they are for the "little man". That being said the vast majority of Democrat politicians are as bad if not worse.

BOTH parties have played to the corporate lobbyists and there are those of us that don't trust either group. Sad to say but the truth is the Democrats have been much more clandestine in their involvement in corporate welfare and involvement i.e. Pelosi and Wasserman-Schultz to just name a couple that "mygirl1" correctly recognised. However, aside from the left wing media's vision of the Tea Party they are in fact much more conservative than the old guard Republicans, but the left and their allies the neo-con's try to disparage them every change they get. But I digress.

The truth is BOTH parties have been lying to us. On the surface they appear to be in disagrement with each other, while behind the seens they are both guilty of feeding the uber-rich - the 1/10th of 1% that really hold the reins of our government today.

If you can shake off the mantle of being republican or democrat and take a really close look at the programs that Bush and the liberal lite neo-cons put through and match those with what Obama has enacted you won't find much difference, same programs just different degrees. I'll give you just one instance - corporate/bank bailouts - check out when they were initiated. Hint it wasn't under Obama, he just carried on what Bush started, only to the extreme.

Justshakingmyhead: Great post, and 100% correct.

".....corporate/bank bailouts - check out when they were initiated. Hint it wasn't under Obama, he just carried on what Bush started, only to the extreme".

Total value of GW Bush era bank bailouts: Over $14 Trillion worldwide.

Total economic dollar loss from unregulated/fraudulent banking and lack of oversight during GW era, which caused a collapse of property values and the worst economic downturn since the 1930s:

Over $12 Trillion in America and much greater amount overseas.

Total value of Obama bank and industrial bailouts that haven't been repaid plus stimulus:

Under $1.5 Trillion.

Me thinks that your assertion is about GW and his Republican cronies, and not about President Obama, who in 2011 earned less than $1 million, making him not a member of the top 1% of us.

How about over a trillion dollars wasted and over 4,000 dead plus many more thousands left physically and psychology wounded thanks to GWB and his insistence and lies so he could finish what his daddy didn’t.

One up his daddy just like Mitt Romney wants to do.

Unbelievable

Dennis,

You pulled that out of left field.

Is George running for president Dennis. Stick to the here and now, Obama is an epic failure!

thetots,

Actually I think about it every day and have for at least many years. Having served in the military tends to keep what happens in wars in your thoughts long after the war ends. I served from 1963 to 1969.

Good grief thetotas, where have you been? You do know we went into Iraq on a bunch of lies, on the pretext of looking for WMD, where we'll be greeted with flowers etc according to that great sage, Dick Cheney. Have you forgotten how many of our citizens died there, how many Iraqis died needlessly. Do you know how many of our citizens will require long time health care for the wounds both visible and invisible they received and how much it will cost?

And none of these actions were paid for from the Treasury, put it on a credit card, deficits dont matter, another Cheney gem of wisdom.

Dennis, you know the TeaPeople like to pretend that Dubya thingy should be forgotten, never talked about! For me, it's shows how little they care for the lives that were lost, or forever changed because of Dubyas lies, in addition to the enormous financial cost!

Chilled, you know how the liberals like to bring up George Bush when they have no answers to the idiotic decisions the Amateur Obama has made in the last three years.

JFK,

[Is George running for president Dennis]

No, but neither was Jimmy Carter in 1984 when President Reagan blamed him for everything wrong with the country as he ran for reelection.

Reagan ran on his record unlike Milli Vanilli.

No, but neither was Jimmy Carter in 1984 when President Reagan blamed him for everything wrong with the country as he ran for reelection.

1984?

The RWNJ's still blame Carter daily around here...

Chilled, you know how the liberals like to bring up George Bush when they have no answers to the idiotic decisions the Amateur Obama has made in the last three years.

So, you really support the decisions made by the Professional Dubya!

JFK,

I went to one of his reelection speeches here in Columbus and he both talked about things he did and blamed Carter for many of the economic problems he had not yet fixed.

Why are we wasting so much time and energy on past presidents????? Let's get busy on the two men in front of us.

My prediction: Depending on the VP selection for Romney -- particularly if it is a Hispanic and/or woman and/or both Joe Biden will be dropped as the running mate.

Dennis,

Thank you for your service. I have two nephews in the Marines, and I have a niece in the Air Force. I am very proud of them and I worry about them daily. My comment was not meant to insult you.

I think that we all can agree that President Bush was a disaster. Also,as I recall Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force in Iraq. There is enough blame to go around.

“We often need to lose sight of our priorities in order to see them.”

John Irving

thetots,

Thanks - It was clearly a rush to judgment. This was a situation that could have allowed for more time to investigate the evidence and facts. It all went down so fast that Congress was left to trust the WH and CIA. With hawks like McCain in the Senate who pushes for war at the drop of a dime his story would only align with the Pentagon and Generals.

I do not give as much blame to Congress as many others might.

they have no answers to the idiotic decisions the Amateur Obama has made in the last three years.

Idiotic decisions like what? If you mean Solyndra, well Romney made the same government investments and they too, failed. You mean affordable Health Care - well, Romney made the same inroads to gain coverage for all, and both, thus far, are successful. What other idiotic decisions? The decision to close Guantanamo? He tried, and Congress blocked his efforts. Stimulus? Almost every economist agrees, it helped.

So, please do tell, what idiotic decisions?

1. There was absolutely nothing about the stimulus that should be considered a failure. Half of it was tax breaks for small business. Half was to support teachers, policemen, firemen. The data indicates it was a monumental success if you are willing to look at it. The great majority of economists indicate it prevented a great depression on a scale never seen before. That was where we were headed and the stimulus package immediately reversed that momentum. Sorry if it doesn't fit the propaganda you are pushing Bob.

2. The same accusations have been made about President Obama - that he is an epic failure. This is laughable to those who are not blinded by party loyalty at all costs. I am not aware of any data that would indicate he is an epic failure. Most Americans like him, and his policy - as stated above - reversed the very real possiblity of an epic collapse of everything America holds dear. It is the GOP who has failed and continues to fail America.

Dennis - "I do not give as much blame to Congress as many others might." I do salute your moderation, however in times of trouble and confusion, we have to hold these folks to a higher standard of logic and commitment in their decision making. Before we went into Iraq and just before my old man died, he said that we better not do this thing as it will open a huge can of worms. So I asked him, well, how do you reason with an unreasonable person? (Saddam) He said you just have to find a way. I believe the day to day citizens in this country have enough experience to be able to advise their senators and congressmen. If these same people that serve us have built a wall so high that we cannot get to them, then they are a law unto themselves, and there is really only one side, not two or more.

Dennis, how's Obama's war in Afghanistan going? Think it's going to be worth the lives and treasure we're spending?

How did obama's war in iraq go? Why didn't he pull out in 18 months like he promised, why didn't he close gitmo, why did he sign the patriot act or sopa or ndaa? Why did he continue on bushes failed stimulus and bailouts? Its time for him to live up to his word and stop all these bad laws and programs now before the election and continue doing so after he wins.

The poster that identifies himself as Dennis from Columbus indicated by the time of his military service that he probably served in Vietnam. I have a huge problem with people that call themselves Vietnam vets complaining about Iraq. Vietnam was the largest waste of treasure and blood in this countries history. Vietnam was even less of a threat to this country than Iraq could hope to be.

Not sure about Dennis but many served in Vietnam Nam because they were drafted. Agree that we had no reason to be there. Lost friends there. Fact remains, all served honorably regardless of the lack of intelligence back in DC ...the people who sent them there.

Oh my God we are rehashing the WMD thing again. Well first of all I have no love for GWB, and I also was against going into Iraq but please people stop repeating the lies about how GW lied just to avenge or out do his father. That is total BS.

First of all let me point out that EVERY inteligence agency from England, France, Germany, Isreal and even Russia contended that Iraq DID have WMD. Secondly, Bush and the U.N. forwarned Saddam that he was going to be invaded if he did not adhear to U.N. edicts he had broken or ignored. In fact If you look at the timeline Saddam had OVER 6 month's to hide, move and/or destroy all the reported WMD.

The press either surpressed and/or ignored the UNMOVIC (United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission) report on the FACT that there were WMD and that over the preceding months BEFORE GW sent in troops Iraq destroyed and dispersed these weapons. Unfortunely as anyone with half a brain knows it is hard to prove a negative. Without physical proof and just the reports of intelligence agencies, world wide, as well as those of the U.N., the liberal media went after Bush with both barrels. And died in the wool Democrats continue to repeat THEIR lies.

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

lulu98

I think anybody that was politically active during the Vietnam war would agree that Vietnam was the biggest waste of treasure and blood in history.. What made it such a tragedy for me is all the honourable young men that answered the call to serve their country were treated so badly when they returned.

Do you know what they say about paranoid people? They're perceptive. Actually the war in Iraq and the financial disaster, both foisted on the US by REPUBLICANS, share the possibility of being planned. If you were paying attention to the neo-cons and the "New American century " people, they needed an excuse to send the army into the middle east to snatch Iraqi oil. The answer to their prayers, and it's clear they (Dick Cheney and friends) tried to conflate the two, was 9/11.

Now if you watched Wisconsin, you saw the "drowning the government in a bathtub crowd" pull off their true agenda, which was to rid the country of unions, de-regulate corporations, cut taxes for the rich, de-fund government (except for the Military), get rid of the EPA, and as a nice little bonus they could blame the entire mess on the incoming Democratic President, since they knew there wasn't a snow balls chance in hell America was going to elect a Republican after eight years of Retardican rule. They are using the recent Hoover economy they created as cover to pull their stunts. They wanted us to have a depression, remember, let them all fail, and everything with it.

We did not forget who screwed the pooch and it wasn't Obama.

Screwing the pooch depends on your perspective. Now, Obama broke the law when he gave GM to the UAW. He ignored the share holders, the people owning stock, they went into a financial rathole, he gave UAW almost 45 billion worth of GM and the taxpayers are still waiting to get their money. As to outsourcing of jobs, how many GM plants are being built in China? Then, how much did he give to a company to build electric cars in Finland?

There is this blind spot about Obama that the left seems to have. They ignore any and all things bad about the man, they forget or make excuses for his actions, actions that are as bad, if not worse, than anything that he claims Romney did. At least Romney wasn't using taxpayer monies to fund his political cronies, supporters and campaign bundlers.

Republicans do not want a depression, as to public unions, take a gander at Scranton and three cities in CA. Guess what, they can't pay their union pensions, public union pensions and the cities are now bancrupt all BECAUSE of public unions. Hell, FDR had a problem with public sector unions. As to cutting taxes for the rich. where? CA is the epitome of tax and spend and they are bancrupt as a state. When the idiot they elected as governor got his hot little hands on more tax monies, did he use that to help pay down the massive debt? Hell, no. He's gonna pad the pockets of his cronies and build some much needed high speed transit boondoggle. Sheesh, blame republicans all you want, at least they are keeping their states solvent, a concept truly alien to democrats.

Mygirl, I've read through some of your posts now and I see a recurring trend. It's easy to criticize but I don't see you offering any solutions or suggesting how things could have been handled differently.

It's not the unions that are causing the problems. Those pensions and workers benefits were negotiated years in advance. Should fire fighters, police and other city workers be paid as much as, say, a busboy at Denny's just to save tax payers a few bucks? I want professionals protecting our cities.

The problem is a lack of tax income. Those cities could afford the police and firefighting forces when people had jobs and paid taxes. Now, without a tax base, austerity measures have to be taken.

As for GM the bailout is being paid back and GM is turning profits. Eventually the government will be out of GM altogether. Look at the benefit cuts that the UAW had to agree to. Unions are more than willing to negotiate to keep a company in the black. Public unions are willing to work with city officials as well. The alternative is to just lay everyone off and not have those essential services.

Taxes, again? So, raise taxes, eat the rich and what will you have at the end of the day? Bupkiss. Scranton escape your notice? It's not the only city that is declaring bancruptcy and the primary cause is pensions. Gm is not turning a profit, they are in the tank and selling cars to the government is, shall we say, rather sad. Government and the unions own GM. As to loss of tax base, so the tax base comes from government employees who get their money to pay taxes from where? What about the share holders in GM? They got screwed and many lost their retirement as a result of Obama's actions. Sorry, the GM story goes a little bit deeper than the spin.

You just nailed the union problem and don't realize that you did. 'Those pensions and workers benefits were negotiated years in advance.' Now, where does the current money to pay for those pensions come from? If the economic base is falling and the tax base following, how in the heck can the city keep operating AND pay those pensions negotiated years ago? Answer is that they can't. Raise taxes is always the simpleminded answer, however, if you are unemployed, how much shall we raise your taxes? Oh, wait, yes, let's tax those RICH people who already pay most of the taxes some more. When do you kill the goose that is laying the eggs? When you tax it to the point where it can't be taxed anymore. Then what do you go after?

Had Obama not done what he did, GM could have filed for a restructuring bancruptcy and the shareholders would have gotten something, the bills would have been paid and the company could have started afresh. Now the only thing floating the company is the federal government.

Once again you offer no solutions. Let's say for arguments sake all unions private and public are disbanded. OK, so nobody has collective bargaining rights anymore. Now what? Cut previously negotiated pensions? So now people have lost their pension and those working cannot negotiate their own conditions. Congrats, you just saved tax payers some money.. Does this sound good to you?

People put years of their life into a career, don't they deserve a pension? Why are pensions evil? And why shouldn't somebody have a say in their own health care plan, their own wages and their own pension? Why is that such an evil, vile bad thing exactly?

Obama did the right thing with GM because no private firm would lend them money. For anything. Government money was the only solution and if GM had went under they would have auctioned off it's assets and foreign companies would have ripped GM apart. The fallout would have had ripple effects around the entire U.S. adding thousands more unemployed to an already out of control amount of job losses in the U.S at the time.

And one other thing about "eating the rich".. Really? Under Obama, Exxon Mobile made the highest profits in history of any company. Look how well Apple did. They have more money than many Nations do.

This whole soaking the rich is nonsense, letting the bush tax cuts expire on the 250k and above is about 3 percentage points. 3% in our country's time of need, is that really too much to ask?

btw GM built Sherman tanks in WW2, I think we owe that great company something. They are as American as Baseball and Apple Pie in my view.

The UAW received 17% of the company. The stock was sold at a profit of approximately four billion dollars and the shareholders included other pension funds like the Federated Teachers Association, well they were offered twenty-nine cents on the dollar, take it or leave it. They sued and lost, and so all those teachers lost their pension funds. Bancruptcy experts have stated that GM would have been allowed a chapter eleven bancruptcy which would have allowed GM a clean slate in union negotiations, this would have relieved them of the burden of union health and pension costs, said costs being one of the major reasons for the need for bankruptcy protection.

As to what I would propose as an alternative? First, billions are wasted in fraud. There is IRS fraud perpetrated by illegals claiming extra and non-existant dependents, something like 4.5 billion a year for that. Then you have medicare, medicaid and Social Security fraud, several billions more there as well. Then, term limits for all congressional and supreme court members. Being in office for decades encourages the corruption that is endemic in Washington. Then, outlaw lobbys of every stripe. Outlaw special interests as well. They unduly affect huge amounts of legislation that only benefits the lobbying or special interests to the detriment of the rest of the counrty.

Then, banking reform with some real teeth and enforcement of said laws, laws on the books don't mean squat if they aren't enforced. Remove the 'executive privilege' from the executive branch. No more laws created to suit the ideology of any president and, no more ignoring or only prosecuting special laws.

Do away with Homeland Security completely. It has too much power and enforcement capabilities. Revoke the NDAA, Patriot Acts, and do away with the 'wars' on terror, poverty, drugs, etc. They are useless and only serve to bloat an already bloated police state. Reform Social Security, no more dipping into it for any reason other than the original intent. Remove redundant bureaucracies, simplify the tax codes, do away with certain loopholes, lower the corporate tax rate when said loopholes are closed. Shut down the war in Afghanistan, remove the troops to the borders and protect sovering soil from invading human and drug traffickers. Insist that all immigrants be legal immigrants, issue work visas for the temporary workers and deny benefits that ordinary citizens are themselves denied to illegal aliens. Do away with the Anchor Baby citizenship entitlements.

Fund welfare to people who are working or seriously attempting to work, stop the generational welfare drain. Only fund two children from welfare, if the parent continues to have children, they need to discover how to feed the extra mouth. Encourage personal responsiblity rather than reliance on complete governmental support. I could go on but think that is a start to answer your question.

his record is such a colossal failure he simply can't bring it up.

he will have to attack Romney, use the race card and use class warfare.

OR

The republicans have filibustered President Obama over 100 times the first year he was in Office.

The GOP/Tea Bangers have filibustered Obama more in the in the past 4 years, than all of the past 50 yrs combined!!! The GOP is the Party, that for "some" reason, has a personal, not political hatred for the President, which is stronger than their love for America or Americans!

his record is such a colossal failure he simply can't bring it up.

he will have to attack Romney, use the race card and use class warfare.

Is that what Faux Noize, Beckerhead, Fatbo, Boortz and Lush is saying now??

Give it a rest dude. It is Romney who is running and hiding from his record, not Obama.

28 consecutive months of private sector job growth is a good record folks. Live with it. It is you people that should stop with the lies. The capacity of the republican base to accept lies from their chosen Representatives is absolutely staggering.

Upset- it is that line of thinking that is hilarious. So take us form the bottom of a recession and add fewer jobs each month than necessary to keep up with population growth and that is a good thing? It's a terrible record, to justify the stimulus Obama stated himself that without it unemployment would rise to 6.5%. Think about that for a second........they truly are so in over their heads it's laughable. QE1...oops...QE2...oops...maybe QE3 will finally work.

I understand you might not agree with Romney's policies but to say that the president has a good track record is being blind to general economics. Even most democrats don't think he has handled the economy well. It would take us 4 years adding 450,000 jobs a month to get back to 5% (standard unemployment). If people weren't leaving the labor force in droves the unemployment rate would be increasing each month with the number of jobs being currently added.

He can't run on his record because he did exactly the same thing George Bush did. The man failed on nearly every promise he made. He didn't pull out of iraq when he said he would, he's chest high in afganistan, he signed the partiot and ndaa. he still allows the TSA to groop little boys ( a priest that was outed by the church is now working as a tsa agent!) Gitmo is still open and torturing prisoners that never had a fair trial. Someone kick him in the ass and get him on track please.

If you think OBAMA can't run on his record then the Republican Congress definitely can not run on theirs. I will take Obama over a Republican any day. It was a republican That drafted NAFTA and a Republican that deregulated and took out certain revisions in it so this mess could happen.Farther and son,one drafted it and the other run with it and this is the mess we ended up with.

Uh, Maggie, Clinton was a democrat. He pushed for NAFTA, no republican held a gun to his head. Sorry, you need to do some research before you make such silly claims.

I love how people act like the President has actual legislative power. The fact is, if either house of Congress wants the President's agenda to fail, they have the power to make that happen. And the GOP has stated outright that that WAS their only priority.

The other thing I love is how people say the stimulus didn't help when we went from losing tens of thousands of jobs a month to actually gaining jobs again. But if private sector jobs aren't being created fast enough, whose fault is that? What about those "job creators" we used to hear so much about? Remember how the right insisted that we shouldn't tax them more, because it would hinder their ability to create more jobs? Well, bang-up job they're doing now.

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The same hack, S.E. Cupp now on MSNBCs 'The Cycle'.....notice nobody seemed to care that another RWNJ called Ms. Ann a liar, which she (along with her hubby) is!

Ann Romney may be a liar, but until 2008 Michelle Obama was not proud of her country.

I think it is safe to say, it is better to leave the candidates spouses out of the political dialogue.

@Maobama Critic

You should send S.E. Cupp a message, she's on MSNBCs The Cycle........

Well that ties it up for me. Wow!!! S.E. Cupp says Ann Romney is lying based on a personal opinion. Nothing to back it up. No inside track. Maybe she has to appease the left so she won't be falsely defiled in an awful photo-shopped image of her and a male organ. Yep, she speaks the truth. sheesh.

After reading the Fact Check article, I think it may be Obama who is telling the falsehoods.

@foobamma, your a typical rightwinged IDIOT!!! What the First Lady said was, she was not proud of her country when it ENSLAVED her great grandparents,, made her grandparents suffer indignities under Jim Crow, and segregation,, then tried it's best to oppress her parents. I'm sure your ignorant to your own country's past, that"s why you would make such a idiotic statement. And she STILL fought her way through the racial BS, hatred, and is now the First Lady of The United States! And STILL faces right wing hatred from CLOWNS such as you EVERYDAY. SOME in this country are really PATHETIC!!

I have having more than a little trouble deciding whether you so-called liberals are drowning in the Kool Aide or you are just lying. Obama's policies are doing more to make women's lives miserable than any republican since before sufferage. Unemployment of women is rampant and getting worse. This lie you people are spreading about republicans wanting to take away women's rights is just that......a lie.

Obama should schedule a trip to an orthopedist, just to verify that he actually has a spine.

That was hilarious...... :)

Except President Obama and our government have not outsourced any jobs. We have the President who is working to encourage companies to come back to American without penalty. Some are returning and that will mean more jobs here in America. When republicans run around lying, spreading hate and attacking others who stand with President Obama I have no respect for them. We see the republican lies and we don't want liars in our government. We want honest and decent people in the government.

Vicki: You need to look at GM, Finland, South Korea, Brazil etc. All Obama, all outsourcing and paid for with taxpayer dollars. You need a better lie detector, yours is stuck on republicans. Perhaps, if you paid attention rather than following the cult of personality, you might discover your idol is, shall we say, less than truthful. He 'evolves' the truth to suit him and when he gets caught in an outright lie, not a tax, he blames and deflects likes crazy. He is a democrat, so we shouldn't be too surprised.

Yes, I can see where they don't have enough money to hire and expand, as they've given millions to the superpacs, as well as individuals giving a million or so themselves. Or maybe they'll blow their last pennies on the $x,000 (I think $50,000, but that figure sounds impossibly large to someone like me) a plate dinner with the Koch bro's, who will hit them up for even more donations for poor Mitt.

If they wanted to grow and expand, I think they could, but why control a few workers when you could control a NATION?

Well he has tried giving them tax breaks and that has not worked either so what would you suggest. He can put that money to use in better ways then paying for the rich mans luxuries. A Trillion dollars is a lot of money and could possibly create a few jobs here in the US.

A trillion dollars and counting. He is indeed good at running up debt. Now, where did he do anything, anything at all to address the banking industry and Wall Street? Corzine? Are you familiar with that name? He stole billions and guess what? Obama is allowing him to campaign bundle for him rather than having him put in jail where he belongs. Obama ain't done squat except keep his very rich friends in power.

Maybe you will want to go back and replay the GOP debates from earlier this year.....then let's see who you were laughing at!

Mitt had more then enough problems with the likes of Santorum, Perry and Bachmann!

Willard is going to get creamed in the debates. He should bang out sick and pretend it is Obama who is afraid to debate him.

Willard is on the wrong side of taxes, immigration, debt, social services, woman's rights, war mongering (chicken hawk style).

I wouldn't say he is on the wrong side when polls show that half of the people plan to vote for him.

What polls, also set up by Rebplicans.

Yeah, only republicans do polls, uh huh.

Uh.... George Bushes smoking gun "Nu-Ku-lar" Mushroom cloud was not as ....Uh.... smoking gun Mushroom cloudy as we expected.

So you're admitting that Obama's stimulus claims were about as truthful as WMD's in Iraq?

Can somebody explain to these people that George Bush is not running for President this time.

Hey, outside of blame Bush and the race card, that's all they've got. Can't brag about Obama's accomplishments, can't hide from his outright lies and actions so all they can do is a feeble and overused attempt at deflection.

They don't want a president, they want a puppet?

So, explain Obama. He's a puppet, his strings are pulled by the likes of Soros, SEIU, UAW, Trumpka, campaign bundlers like Corzine and the CEO of Solyndra.

He's trying too hard to read the tea leaves, or gold templates, depending on what glasses he wears!

You bet.... only obam. can escape the truth, liberals deny it, the media covers it up for him.

He runs from facts, makes wild claims. Obama: Blame, claim and campaign.

"...Campaign officials have said it is unfair to criticize Romney for investments made by Bain after he left the firm but did not address those made on his watch..."

Um, so Bain is bad? Really? Now, would you rather the companies failed completely? No one would have a paycheck? Oh, that's right, I forget, business only exists to support workers. Business is evil, profits are evil, money is evil except when it is redistributed by the government. I now understand the liberal mind, they have no concept of work, business, earning money or personal responsibility. They are not interested in HOW things are paid for, they truly think that elves or other supernatural beings create magic money which is then given to benevolent and intelligent politicans and bureaucrats to redistribute to the poor who will then never have to take care of themselves.

Really Steveo.. Please post which wholly owned U.S. wind energy company you work for.

General Electric

Steveo:

Don't encourage patheticamericanvet. His ignorance is displayed daily out here. Nothing but a FauxNews Teabagger touting repug talking points.

Steveo: "GE"....that figures.

GE? Dear God. Tragically he can vote.

You are one sick pathetic person. All of what you wrote has been proven to be lies.

He must watch a lot of Obama campaign ads.

Yes, far better to work for the government or a union, the democrats are very good at insuring job security for those folks....Oh, wait, what are the democrats doing for the bancrupt cities and states? You know, those cities and states that are bancrupted because of union pandering democrats running the show?