It's amusing to see Obama apologists still trying to blame his failures on the disastrous situation he inherited. But Obama, faced with that situation, still said "A year from now, I think, people are going to see that we are starting to make some progress. There's still going to be some pain out there. If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one term proposition."

If he was truly oblivious to all the things he now blames for his failures, then he was totally incompetent. If he was aware of that supposed state of the economy, then he was lying.

Or, perhaps, the situation then just wasn't nearly as bad as the one he eventually created.

Yes, but it's "Bush's fault".

You have to understand that for Obama, and given his assault on this nation's capitalist, private enterprise system, the fact there is ANY HIRING AT ALL is truly mind boggling to him and is in fact a feather in his cap. Dems have a different threshold and expectations for "positive growth", than do republicans. Obama is more interested in "getting even with all of his perceived enemies" than promoting policies that encourage investment and risk-taking in capital ventures in the USA. Any hiring that might occur today is only a testament to the resiliency of the American capitalist way, and entirely a stroke of luck from Obama's point of view.

It's funny to watch him want to take credit for ANYTHING that can be spun as positive, but ANY negative goings on today is the direct result of some republican years or decades ago. It's very interesting and at times humorous to see how he and the other far left progressives think and what motivates them. I'm still waiting on him to thank those of us who struggle to work and make ends meet and who continue to pay the taxes that are supposed to try and pay for his massive spending and future promises. he doesn't thank the middle class, the upper class, nobody. All he does is berate anyone who does work and pay taxes and tell them they're not doing enough, and coddles to all those who suck from the American taxpayer tit.

Two-face- haven't you already been banned, like, three times?

Is the fourth supposed to be the charm or something?

Two face, your lack of history knowledge is showing. Do you remember 9-11? Did you know that the last 2 years of the Bush Presidency the Dems were in control of Congress? Do you remember 2010 when Oblama said 'I own this economy?" Remember Debbie Schultz (Dem chair) saying last year that the "we (Dems) own this economy"?

Guess you forgot all that, huh. Buddy, you and the rest of the country better wake-up. This guy and his policies are taking this country down.

Bush left Obama with a shattered economy, a trillion dollar deficit, and two useless wars.

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Very true 2-face. But equally disturbing is that the democrats have proven they have no clue how to fix the economy. It comes down to malevolence vs. incompetence. A lose, lose proposition for the American people.

I find it odd that two face blames Bush and the republicans, but in 2006 when they had control of the house, senate and presidency, we had projected surpluses from 2009 on, Dow and 401K's were at record levels and unemployment was around 4%. Then democrats took control of writing the legislation for the country and it has been record deficits and job losses. Two face puts up the job numbers in the last few months of the Bush administration, but that was also after nearly two years of democrats writing legislation for the country? So why should I blame Bush only? Isn't six years of democrat legislation enough to see that we were better off when republicans wrote the legislation?

Oblamo is going to need one heck of a bus to break though this roadblock. A tank maybe would be better.

Dick "the water-boarder" Cheney, said "Deficits Don't Matter"!!!

Now, all of a sudden, every Republican/Tea Tool has woken from their slumber to scream "Deficits DO MATTER!! OMG lower the deficit, lower the deficit!!!!".

LOL!!!!

Doubling down on Bush's policies will not fix our economy.

Romney is surrounding himself with all Bush people.

Put America First: In 2002 or 03 REPUBLICANS did away with Pay as you Go. They ran up huge bills on credit and left the bills unpaid.

It is amazing to me that Barry's apologists can, with a straight face, try to defend his miserable economic failures. I mean, facts are facts, and even if he inherited a recession, this inept bungler has not been able to make any progress in four years. Why on earth would anyone want to willingly endure another four years of misery?

Two-Face:

I noticed in your first post you conspicuously fail to mention the 4.25 million jobs that Obama lost in his first year and a half. Why do you think that when he talks about job creation he only talks about the 4.3 million jobs created in the last 23 months? Because if you account for the beginning of his term, his net job creation is only 55,000 jobs.

Your right.....democrats proved that deficits do matter. We thought that no one in their right mind would consider having deficits of $1 trillion or more for years on end. That is insanity. Of course that is the path the democrats took. Stop fiscal child abuse today!

@Bitterhawk...

2/08 - 1/09 4,462,000 jobs LOST (Bush's last year)
2/09 - 1/10 4,282,000 jobs LOST (Obama's first year)
2/10 - 1/11 1,177,000 jobs GAINED
2/11 - 4/12 2,632,000 jobs GAINED

Look at the disaster Obama inherited and where we are now compared to that.

How many jobs have been created under Obama? Well, the only fair way to calculate this is to ignore the first few months he was in office because it obviously takes a few months for a new president's policies to take effect.

George W. Bush said we should allow 6 months in his case, so let's do that for Obama. Ignoring the first 6 months, Obama has seen a NET jobs number of:

2.924 million jobs CREATED

Not too bad considering that we lost more jobs in the Great Recession than in the last 4 recessions combined (including both Reagan recessions). It's not as fast as we'd like, but it's a far sight better than what Republican policies gave us.

@IXLR...

There's a whole lot of Tea nonsense in your attempt at a silly analogy!! LOL!!

Well, the only fair way to calculate this is to ignore the first few months he was in office because it obviously takes a few months for a new president's policies to take effect.

No, the only "fair way" would be to use the same standards to judge this President by that you use with Bush. For example:

Look at the disaster Obama inherited and where we are now compared to that.

Contrary to the narrative that you liberals try to push, Bush did not cause the housing meltdown single-handedly. This was a disaster that was 30 years in the making. If you're going to point to numbers from the recession under the Bush administration, you need to be consistent and do the same for your boy. Quit making excuses for him, he does that well enough on his own.

PutAmericaFirst -- Okay, don't blame Bush. Blame the GOP/TP for blocking the Jobs Act and other legislation that would have help create jobs. Throw the treasonous Teapublicans out!

If the Teapublicans hadn't blocked the president's Jobs Act, almost 2 million jobs would have been created. As the president tours the country, he talks about many ways to make the the US better. Romney just blames the president for everything (no mention of gas prices now though).

President Obama's plan -- To preserve and strengthen the middle/working class.

Mitt "corporations are people too" Romney's 59 point plan boils down to two points. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

No wonder why many rightwingers regret having Romney as their candidate, and why they are now trying to besmirch the president with even more vehemence. Look at Libertarian Gary Johnson getting support, and let's see how Ron Paul does in the rest of the primary. If there was ever a convention where the presumed nominee could be contested, this it it.

Republicans, your nominee is a mistake. Romney -- He's not in it for you.

IXLR8

Love the baseball analogy

Bitterhawk

Well, the only fair way to calculate this is to ignore the first few months he was in office because it obviously takes a few months for a new president's policies to take effect.

Wait a minute you liberal were all to willing to blame Bush for not stopping 9/11. So are you now saying it was really Clinton's fault?

Deficits are lower under President Obama.

Anyone with a brain knows this.

TwoFace, the truth is the truth silly boy. Having been in sales I learned early, "Don't confuse effort with results". My old boss said it over and over and I once hated it but it is dead on.

Bitterhawk --The first 6 years under Bush Republicans controlled all three branches of government.

They did nothing to stop the bubble. The did nothing to improve education. They did nothing to fix the immigration mess. They did nothing to fix the healthcare crisis. They did nothing but run up debt for bridges to nowhere. In other words, they left a huge mess to clean up and a huge unpaid bill.

@Bitterhawk....

President Bush broke the American faith with the most basic tenets of our nation. Bush failed to uphold his oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution Of The United States." Bush paved the way for the subversion of our electoral system by and for the GOP base.

As the banking and financial sectors were cleaning out the US Treasury at the end of the Bush administration (Bush had to cover those bad best he made in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the housing market and unregulated financial products, while there was still time), the Supreme Court undertook one final insult on your behalf: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

We went from government "of the people, by the people, for the people," to "corporations are the people." under Bush!

The American People are saddled with the shame of President Bush and a vice-president Cheney who dare not travel to certain countries for fear of arrest for war crimes. Bush created a presidency that can declare itself judge, jury, and executioner of American citizens in foreign lands just on the president's say-so.

Bush left this nation poverty-stricken, fractured, and rudderless.

Pat

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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If the Teapublicans hadn't blocked the president's Jobs Act, almost 2 million jobs would have been created.

Please. If this President knew the meaning of the word compromise, maybe he could get a bill passed. His Jobs Act was a joke and it wasn't "blocked by Teapublicans", it was met with equal disdain from the Democrats.

Bitterhawk --It takes two to compromise. The far right won't even consider compromise. It's a dirty word to them.

True patriot.....What legistlation have the republicans blocked that would have created lasting jobs? ......None.

2 face......Look at your example of job growth.

2/08 - 1/09 4,462,000 jobs LOST (Bush's last year) ---Democrats controlled 2/3 of governing bodies and wrote all legislation
2/09 - 1/10 4,282,000 jobs LOST (Obama's first year) ---Democrats controlled 2/3 of governing bodies and wrote all legislation2/10 - 1/11 1,177,000 jobs GAINED---Republicans take control of the house.
2/11 - 4/12 2,632,000 jobs GAINED---2nd year of republicans writing all spending bills.

2006 nearly 2.25 million jobs created. Last year republicans controlled a majority of government.

Obama sounds confused.

But what should we expect? The only private sector job he's ever held was as a part-time law instructor.

BitterHawk, you right it didn't start with Bush, It started with your idol: REAGAN. He started the deregulation of bank industry and others too. But at least he was smart enough to raise taxes since he was tripling the deficit.

Now somebody mentioned that Democrats controlled Congress since 2006, that true. But with very small majority that couldn't break the veto. Now check how many times Bush Vetoed bills.

1. First president to successfully ensure that every American will have medical care without regard to pre-existing conditions. This includes some 20 million children.
2. Raised fuel standards on American cars to nearly double by 2024, going up to 55MPG.
3. Race to the Top education reform promising higher standards.
4. Saved American auto industry.
5. Withdrew all combat troops from Iraq as promised in 2008 campaign.
6. Got a measure of justice for 9/11 killings by killing bin Laden.
7. Improved foreign relations with the rest of the world. I don't know how much you travel overseas, Chuck but the world is a little friendlier since Obama became president..
8. Severely crippled Al Queda's ability to launch attacks against the U.S.
9. Supported the end of the regime in Libya without loss of any U.S. forces.
10. Knows when to use soft power and hard power.
11. Turned around a financial crisis threatening a depression.
12. Recognized the ignorance of austerity during a severe recession; something the GOP and many European governments failed to recognize.
13.Built strongerprograms for military families.
14. Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in military.
15. Supported gay marriage as a recognition of a civil right.
16. Recognition that Bush tax cuts were inappropriate when fighting two unpaid wars..
17. Realizes the enormous income gaps between rich and poor ought to be addressed as a matter of justice/fairness.
18. Opened travel to Cuba for Cuban American families.
19. Supported tighter banking regulations.
20. Countered China's push for hegemony in the Pacific by suppporting countries in the region.
21. Accomplished all of the above(most were campaign promises of 2008) despite a republican leadership stating that his defeat was their priority right from the start of his administration.

This is the record of an administration deserving another four years.

Don't:

With respect to the housing bubble all that you say is true. But then I don't recall the Democrats trying to do anything about it either. In fact, what I do remember is Barney Frank telling us that there was no housing bubble.

As for the rest of your comment, while they never solved these problems and in some cases maybe exacerbated them, they tried. What do you think "No Child Left Behind" was supposed to do? And believe it or not, Bush actually tried to pass a version of the "Dream Act " and failed. I'm not trying to defend George Bush, I don't even really like him, but let's keep our facts straight.

Ronald Reagan was the greatest President of the past 100 years.

And any Presidential historian worth his salt will concur.

@Bitterhawk...

Playing with the meaning of words and sentences is the only hope for Republicans...LOL!!!

If you children really want to improve the economy and government put mothers and housewives who have to deal with 2 year olds (or have had to deal with them). Let me tell you, no woman would put up with the games of Washington (a middle class American woman). There would be some slapping and timeouts ordered. As for the two Parties, they would either work together, or no more parties!

@Arthur....

Reagan: increased the national debt by 189%, the interest rate was 18% during his presidency, unemployment 10.8% (higher than Obama), increased debt ceiling 19 times.

Wanna be Reagan's and Tea Bangers is the LAST thing we need!!!

LOL!!

Two Face:

I'm not here to defend George Bush. As I stated previously, I don't even like him and I believe he did more to damage the Republican brand than any of you liberals could have hoped to do by yourselves.

Ronald Reagan blows !!!

He started the "starve the beast" policies that got us where we are today. He also raised taxes 6 times over his administration,.

Romney has no plan to fix the economy or jobs,. He says "59 points", but they are vague and without substance. 59X0 = 0.

If Republicans had passed Obama's jobs bill 1 million would be put back to work. Instead, Republicans talk about the pipeline, which will create about 2000 temporary jobs.

The Obambots and their leader need to get the hell out of the way if this country is going to prosper again. The middle class is shrinking under Democrat leadership. Their solution to fix it will only drive more US dollars from this country.

@Lani.....

Obama "made NO effort to involve the Republicans?"

Did I imagine that while Obama was literally in the car on his way to meet with House Republicans to discuss the stimulus, Boehner circulated a memo instructing his members to vote against it?

Was the WH's forbearance for months while waiting for the bipartisan "Gang of Six" to come up with a health-care reform compromise a dream?

Did I make up the story that a recent book revealed about GOP pollster Frank Luntz organizing an inauguration-day dinner of Republican party leaders that produced a pact to oppose and obstruct everything Obama did HOURS AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN? NO, I didn't imagine any of these events. This is one of multitudes of blatantly false statements that you people pick up on Faux News and repeat, Goebbels-like, until people start to believe them.

And the baloney about having "the House and Senate in his pocket" ignores the GOP's unprecedented use of the filibuster to carry out the "Luntz Agreement."

Party always comes first for the GOP/Tea Tools.....they are a disgrace.

For all Opotus lovers: In post 1933 Germany a socialized medical system was introduced to control costs. Soon after Nazis realized that they could not treat all the people. Ultimate death panels were created and not only Jews, but Gypsy, feeble and countless other undesirable people were eliminated. Regardless what you call it, Obamaizm, Nazism, Communism, Maoism, its still a socialism

Eric, And how much further would this country go into debt to create those 1 million jobs? Last I heard was the last Obama stimulus created jobs at a cost of more than $200,000 each from the pockets of taxpaying cictzens.

Dismal jobs numbers?

No way, Obama has been talkin' bout Recovery Summer for three straight years now.

Oh, and he also assured us that if they passed the stimulus we'd be at 5.6% unemployment in the third quarter of '012.

And you all do know what quarter we are in, yes?

phine -- Ha! Us women are magnificent in that way, aren't we?

Put more women in power and things will get done.

Compromise Bitterhawk?

Get serious. Every clean simple bill Obama tried to run through in favor of the American people. Do we really need to rediscover the latest attempt at passing Keystone pipeline? Do you remember which key piece of Presidential Legislation it was attached to? I certainly won't forget the Republican Partys attempt at passing that bullsh1t pipeline bill.

I own a small business and let me tell you, things have been rocky in the world lately for me. Why? Because of the uncertainty in Washington DC from the Republicans. No one wants to make a move with the political landscape the way it is. Its too volatile. Financing both inhouse and out of house doesnt exist. Why? Didnt we loan the banks money when they needed it? Aren't they covered and running record profits again?

In order for this country to grow it needs a stable political climate. We need 4 years of government cooperating with each other for the people best interest, period. Republicans have proven and gone on record saying they aren't the party for that. What choice do you have left? Democrats? Fine, Obama gets my vote then. We gave Dipsh1t Bush 8 years to screw us, what makes you think ANYONE can fix it in 3.5?

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 - Democratic house and senate would be superb as well but its a long shot.

It started with your idol: REAGAN.

bman:

Actually it started with Carter and a piece of legislation known as the Community Reinvestment Act. You can point to bank deregulation all you want, but in my opinion this had nothing to do with it. Politicians wanted the banks to extend these high-risk loans. Why do you think that they guaranteed the mortgages through Fannie and Freddie? Had they not done that, it would never have been profitable for banks to have made the loans in the first place.

Dont_carry_it_all

Bitterhawk --The first 6 years under Bush Republicans controlled all three branches of government.

Interesting how rightwingers harp on the few months the Dems had control of the House and a filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate -- Just months from the time Al Franken was finally sworn in until Ted Kennedy passed away. Even if one went with the rightwing lie of Dems having control since 2006 - 2010, that's still two years with Dubya in the WH, and only four years compared to the SIX year prior that the GOP controlled everything as you point out.

And speaking of illogical conclusions and Projection Politics:

Arthur66

Obama sounds confused.

Try as you may with the old "I'm rubber you're glue" crap, just Romney's evolving statements about about a tax versus penalty is a glaring example of "confusion:"

The Wall Street Journal, whose opinion pages are a highly regarded barometer of conservative thought, published an editorial Thursday that excoriated the Romney campaign for its "unforced error" on the tax issue and concluded that "the campaign looks confused in addition to being politically dumb."

And dumb -- This is why so many rightwing gazillionares are giving money to Romney and SuperPACS that support him. They know Romney is a "severely" flawed candidate, so they can only hope to squeak him into the WH with MONEY.

If you want to be sure you're getting a competent Commander in Chief and leader of the free world, just reelect President Obama.

@ Dan....

You are the segment of society who is so bigoted that they will gladly endure hardship for the opportunity to spew their hate and ignorance on those they need to feel superior to. The GOP understands this and are masters of manipulating their hate into votes for GOP candidates. Hate clouds human reasoning and no one hates like a person jazzed up on fear.

The GOP sells fear like a carnival barker sells tickets to see the circus.

Not a damn one of those Faux Noize, Beckerhead, Fatbo, Boortz. Lush and host of other right-wing-hate mediums ... actually believes the crap they spew, but they know there are those who will love it...like Dan.

@ Dan:

I guess its a good thing it is not 1933 anymore then isnt it. That crap won't fly in this day and age. Its just predictable conspiracy. No different than saying we'll all be riding horses and shooting our 6 shooters again if gas prices hit 6.00 a gallon.

Bitterhawk,

you right, Reagon wasn't first, but not carter. It was NIXON. Well he proposed but, Ford passed: Railroad Revitalization and Regulatory Reform Act of 1976. I am not saying Carter didn't do it too. But he wasn't first lol try again

GCooper

Can you vouch for that. In all the years since Nazi hell ended, you would not think that there would be more atrocities, right? Then how do you explain Mao's china, Pol Potz (I really mean POTZ) Cambodia, Stalin's USSR, Ho Shi Mean's Vietnam, Today's Burma, and I probably missed some. Never underestimate a capability of sociopaths, I mean socialists, once they grab and hold on to power. I know it first hand

PutAmericaFirst

True patriot.....What legistlation have the republicans blocked that would have created lasting jobs? ......None.

WTF? Are you confused about the Keystone pipeline supported by the GOP/TP? As for Stinky, where is the Mrs. when we need her?

GCooper-4276999 -- Agreed. One of the most egregious examples was Rand Paul trying to attach a "personhood" abortion amendment to the flood insurance bill. The "personhood" legislation is so radical it couldn't even pass in Mississippi. (And as a side note to Libertarian Ron Paul supporters who mistakenly believe the Pauls' aren't about religious issues, you need to do some homework. They are Teavangelicals with an out-dated extreme fiscal view.)

Bill Clinton recently talked about how conflict only creates polarization and negativity, and how cooperation creates prosperity. The Teapublicans need to be thrown out!

DanSok101 -- I thought Mao's China, and Stalin's USSR were communist, and Pol Potz was just a garden variety of ruthless dictator. You know first hand about socialists, really?

True Patriot -- Gotta go but carry on you say it well friend.

Two-face - no joe and the rest of the bitter tea partiers just hate it when someone tells the truth, like you have. And, since I believe no joe is just coming back from being banned for a while, I wouldn't listen to anything the whiney liar has to say.

Great posts by the way!

Obama/Biden 2012

Railroad Revitalization and Regulatory Reform Act of 1976.

??? Were we talking about the root causes of the recession? What has railroad deregulation got to do with the recession?

Two Face is making up his own facts. Bush inherited a recession. The projected surplus (again projected) came from a Republican controlled Congress. The economy really started tanking in 2007 after we foolishly put the Democrats in control of Congress. Bush fixed his inherited recession in less than two years. Obama doesn't have a clue how to fix his.

Time to fire Obama for lackluster performance. Unless you are a Union Auto member or a beneficiary of his steal from the rich, give to my voters program, Obama isn't looking out for your interests.

@ Dan:

We live in America, we're on an American news site discussing American politics.. Other countries and their rules don't apply. Americans will never stand for that. If my mother was victim of some "death panel" you can bet your a$$ i'd drive to Washington to take care of business and so would my fellow countrymen. You forget one thing, we're allowed the right to bear arms in our country. Its one of the last lines of defense we have against things just like that.

@SeekingSanity..

Thanks! The Tea Tools and the GOP Taliban just hate my guts....LOL!!!

I would also like to say, "THANKS" to the tea baggie faggies for developing John "the Bozo" Boner and Eric “bendover” Cantor and the GOP dog and pony show, which has reduced the public approval rating of Congress to 9%, and is helping to assure the re-election of President Obama!!

LOL!!

Rob Scan - you're just out and out lying. Bush inherited a budget surplus and put this country into a recession. Maybe you should hit the books and try to figure out how things actually work.

Obama/Biden 2012

Rob:

While Bush may have appeared to fix anything the real problem lied in the fact he had 2 unpaid for wars OFF THE BOOKS. Obama came into office and said these wars needed to be paid for not just borrow from peter to pay paul the soldier. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan? Those wars were never on any books until 2009.

Speaking of wars, wasnt Bush's favorite thing to say when he could speak a word of English "We must stay the course at all costs"

WHO THE HELL WAS PAYING THE COSTS? He didn't care, he finished what his daddy started and knew his 8 years were up. Do you Repubtards realize Bush Jr. is the only President in American history that faces jail time and prosecution for war crimes if he leaves America?

@ Rob...

PART (not all) of the deficit we are running now is for the meal the last administration ordered, consumed, then ran out of the restaurant without paying for it.

Where was the GOP when President Bush was running up the deficit, then asking for a $900B loan from the American people's future to pay for it with?

Where were you when Dick Cheney famously said, "Deficits Don't Matter"????

Where were you when President Bush was spending money he didn't have? What did you say then?

Bush and his cabal of neo-con nation wreckers.... preferred to borrow against our children and our grandchildren, and spend that money on multiple wars trying to find a guy (Bin Laden) in a cave who finally ends up in a nice home in a different country!!! LOL!!!

Bush did not inherit a recession.

Look it up, it is on the Internet for all to see. No recession. It was the lie that bush and cheney made up as the excuse to give tax cuts to the rich our country could not afford.

But unfortunately republicans love to repeat lies over and over, it just doesn't make them true.

Just like the one Romney loves to tell over and over. You know the one where President Obama in the republicans mind said that the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%. First President Obama never said it, plus our economy was twice as broken by republicans as we were lead to believe. Never mind that the stimulus was half the amount it should have been for how bad off our economy was.

Republicans never let the truth get in the way of a good lie they can repeat over and over.

It is the republicans who can't produce one thin dime to create jobs or a better economy in America. But those same millionaires and billionaires have hundreds of millions of dollars to push permanent tax cuts for Romney and his rich friends. And you think republicans care about your interest?

Obama 2012!!!!!!

Vote Obama 2012

At least Obama is interested in ALL the US citizens, unlike the GOP/Tea Bangers.

Ronald Reagan was the greatest President of the past 100 years.

And any Presidential historian worth his salt will concur.

And I suppose the physically disabled man from Hyde Park is nothing but chopped liver, right? After all, he only stopped the Great Depression from totally ruining this nation and then led us to victory in World War II. I guess that's no great achievement, right? And hey, Ronnie Raygun invaded Grenada, which was a real threat to our national security, right? I nominate this as "joke of the day" Reagan's not even top ten. Hell, he slept through his second term.

tonybreeem - Reagan was already in the first stages of Alzheimers during his 2nd term and his doctors knew it but kept it quiet. He will go down as one of the worst Presidents in history - a great orator but a poor President.

Anyone who believes Reagan was great is stuck in the Dark Ages!

Obama/Biden 2012

For those complaining about lack of job creation I ask what would YOU have done to produce more jobs? More tax breaks for the filthy rich? Deregulate everything allowing the greedy to run amok? Would you have ousourced more jobs to China, India, the Philippines? Maybe more war would be the answer from you? What would YOU do that neither Democrats nor Republicans have managed to accomplish?

Two-Face Tea Banger

George W. Bush inherited a strong economy, a budget surplus, and a nation at peace....

Hmmmm, Really?

Let’s see. I guess the collapse of the dot-com bubble wasn’t important was it? On February of 2000 the Nasdaq was 4,696 and by September 2002, which was one year after 9/11 the Nasdaq was 1,172, the lowest in 5 years. Despite Greenspan’s own warnings and his eloquent slogan of the market being in a state of “irrational exuberance”, nothing was done to prevent the bubble in the 90’s. Obviously 9/11 was a part of this decline but even prior to that on August 1, 2001 the Nasdaq was already at 1,805, nearly a 3,000 point drop! In that same period the DOW dropped nearly 3,600 points.

As an aside, I would like to mention that between 1995 and 2000 we saw a meteoric rise in CEOs' pay as a multiple of the average worker's pay. In 1995 the ratio was about 150:1, by 2000 it was 531:1. It seems this is another one of the Liberal and medias bogeymen as to the lack of “fairness” or the mythical “level playing field”. I don’t remember any outrage back then, do you?

Now, let’s try to finally put this wet-dream about the “Clinton budget surplus” to rest. THER WAS NO SURPLUS! It was close but it was never a surplus. If there was a surplus in any of the years between 1994 and 2001 there MUST be a year where the National Debt of the preceding year was higher than the “surplus year”. There is no such year, EVER. You can simply check this by accessing the U.S. Treasury data. The deficit almost reached zero ($17.91 billion) in 2000 but subsequently rose to $133.29 billion in 2001. This is just another case of fuzzy math in our criminal government. The Public Debt and Intragovernmental Holdings, which make up the National Debt, were manipulated.

The alleged budget prediction of trillions of dollars being eliminated through 2010 never included little events such as the above mentioned recession and market collapse, the tragedy of 9/11 and Katrina. Yes, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars contributed as did Medicare Part-D. The Iraq war had a public opinion popularity of 57% for and 38% against on September 2003. The Afghanistan war had an 89% favorable opinion and a 9% unfavorable opinion in October of 2001. Let’s not forget the Democrats who supported the Iraq war including Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Henry Waxman, Hillary Clinton, among others.

One more thing. To discredit the ridiculous cost estimates in the multiple trillions for the Iraq and Afghanistan War, according to the Congressional Research Services report with enactment of the sixth FY2011 Continuing Resolution through March 18, 2011, (H.J.Res. 48/P.L. 112-6) Congress has approved a total of $1.283 trillion for military operations, base security, reconstruction, foreign aid, embassy costs, and veterans’ health care for the three operations initiated since the 9/11 attacks: Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) Afghanistan and other counter terror operations; Operation Noble Eagle (ONE), providing enhanced security at military bases; and Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF). This estimate assumes that the current CR level continues through the rest of the year and that agencies allocate reductions proportionately.

Of this $1.283 trillion total, CRS estimates that Iraq will receive about $806 billion (63%), OEF $444 billion (35%) and enhanced base security about $29 billion (2%), with about $5 billion that CRS cannot allocate (1/2%). About 94% of the funds are for DOD, 5% for foreign aid programs and diplomatic operations, and 1% for medical care for veterans.

Yes Medicare Part-D is costly, but estimates by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicate that Part D's price to the public will come in at 46% less than initially estimated for the first decade. In fact, Part D is saving the entire Medicare program money, according to a recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Improved access and adherence to medicine is saving $1,200 per year in hospital, nursing home and other costs for each senior who previously lacked prescription drug coverage, according to the study. This is saving the Medicare program an estimated $12 billion each year.

I hope this clears up many of the lies that have been posted here and on other sites.

The desparation of this Two Face Democrat is incredible. Hey, if you actually want Obama elected stop what you are doing! You make that whole side look whiney and bad..........

JimSpence and Seven2Seven - Two Face tells the truth and posts facts. You two just post lies and repeat the miserable right wing propaganda. Pathetic really but it's all the GOP has.

Obama/Biden 2012

@ Jim Spence:

"As an aside, I would like to mention that between 1995 and 2000 we saw a meteoric rise in CEOs' pay as a multiple of the average worker's pay. In 1995 the ratio was about 150:1, by 2000 it was 531:1. It seems this is another one of the Liberal and medias bogeymen as to the lack of “fairness” or the mythical “level playing field”. I don’t remember any outrage back then, do you?"

I would attribute this "meteoric rise" in CEO compensation to a better than average economy where profit is shared amongst the top tiered employees unequally against the workers of the country. Again, this is due to a booming economy nothing else. Problem comes when CEO's keep that payscale and expect it now even when the economy is falling apart around them. This creates the whole "1%" argument. No one cares if we all prosper and make a little more money when times are good. For CEO's of the richest companies to be slashing employees, benefits and doubling the workload while the rest of us deal with the consequences of the economy as they break record quarterly profits is wrong.

Also a point of interest:

"Y2011 Continuing Resolution through March 18, 2011, (H.J.Res. 48/P.L. 112-6) Congress has approved a total of $1.283 trillion"

Thats this year. 1 year. We've been spending at least this much since we put boots on the ground almost ten years ago every year.

Thank you for the facts, it was refreshing to read a well written response with factual and researchable data :D

Romney should be grateful to Obama ...now that his pre-existing conditions - including flip-flopping and two-faced lying - are now covered under ObamaCare - upheld by the SCOTUS.

@Spence, No jobs = White House for Rent, you know it's coming, get ready now mentally.

From an interview with Congressman Kevin Brady on CNBC:

Brady, vice chairman of the Congressional Joint Economic Committee, released two charts showing figures for 10 recessionary periods beginning in 1949. (Data from the Great Depression are not included.)

The first is the percent change of private sector job growth 28 months after a cycle low, with an average of prior recessions at 8 percent. He cites Obama’s track record from February 2010, with a growth of 4.1 percent.

The second chart shows an average real GDP growth of 13.8 percent over the 11 quarters following the end of each recession. The data during Obama’s presidency are calculated from the second quarter of 2009, clocking in at 6.7 percent GDP growth.

The news release cites data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and JEC Republican staff calculations.

Brady also criticized the 4 million new jobs Obama claims to have created.

“Well, he’s telling about half the story,” he said. “It’s unfortunate we’re still more than 4 million jobs short of where this recession began, 41 straight months of unemployment above 8 percent. That’s a post-World War II record.”

Brady took aim at the administration’s economic stimulus, bailout of the auto industry, the financial bailout and the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing. And although consumer and government spending has risen, business investment is lagging, Brady said.

“That’s due to this president’s policies, and he really has no one to blame but himself,” he added.

“What we lack is a good, strong business climate with lower taxes, fairer regulation. And again, President Obama’s health care plan really is another drag on the economy. Until we get Washington out of the way, this president’s recovery is going to continue to rank dead last.”

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Be sure to vote. Be sure to vote Obama out of office in November if you want this economy to improve.

Americans First-3238795

Bush did not inherit a recession.

Ok, I didn't want to burden you limp-wristed Libbies with more facts in my above pots to confuse you, but you leave me no choice.

My poor little lemming friend. Lemme splain it to you.

First of all there WAS a recession in 2000-2001 and it was a deep one despite what the GDP numbers showed. Consumer spending never declined in the recession because middle-class income actually went up by 5% between 2000 and 2002. This by the way debunks the Kerry-Edwards idiocy of a "middle-class squeeze". However, "overall" individual income decreased by 5% because upper-end income declined dramatically. The top tax bracket lost almost 30% of their income. 12% of the people who were above the $200,000 a year dropped below it in 2002. Those above the $10 million level lost nearly 65% of their income. Capital gains incomes dropped by nearly 30% and dividends dropped by nearly 20%. Of course the Libbies, in their typical envious delusion of the rich, were ecstatic that we lost all that income.

The investment side of the economy is what collapsed in 2000-2002. With investment funding gone economic growth was collapsed. Capital-goods investment (equipment, software, goods) fell eight out of ten quarters in the time period, six of them consecutively. Industrial output declined for 6 straight quarters. After tax corporate profits declined in seven straight quarters. A 78% decline in the NASDAQ and 40% in broader indexes were caused simply because of the increase in the cost of capital.

The Bush 2003 tax plan was aimed at the risk-taking investors. With that revenues began their climb out of the recession.

Of course we can't forget the idiocy of the Federal Reserve and its incessant intrusion into the private-sector free market. Key sensitive market price indicators, ignored by the central bank during 2000, warned of a world-class liquidity deflation. The usual difference between long and short-term rates was totally inverted as Treasuries yielded more than bonds. An inverted yield curve is a classic recessionary sign. As Greenspan continued to take money out of the economy commodity prices collapsed by over 20% causing the dollar to soar. This was of course in response to the straw-man the Fed constantly fears more than the plague, inflation. It never happened. Deflation collapsed prices, profits, equity and production.

Moral of this story is, Liberals need to learn from Santayana, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” , rather than SantaObama.

JimSpence - again your post is all lies and GOP talking points (also known as lies). Anyone who cares about this country will dump as many Republicans as possible in November so we can get the country back on track.

Alan - what do you expect from A Republican? The truth? Not hardly. When you have someone credible to reference, try again.

Obama/Biden 2012

Two-Face Tea Banger

Vote Obama 2012

At least Obama is interested in ALL the US citizens, unlike the GOP/Tea Bangers.

LMAO! Holy crap! Pass the crack pipe this way dufus!....lol.....Obummer is the most racist prez we've ever had!

Yes, he loves him some illegals but crapped on the unemployed by telling the world he aint deportin yer ass or following our laws! Smooth

Barack Hussein Obama II - Using our Constitution as his new toilet paper!

I can't believe what has happened in the last 4 years -

Pres. Obama is the only patriot who has worked hard to fix the problems caused by Bush and his Republican'ts. Republicants in Congress have worked to undermine him before day one (Jan 20, 2009). (I am sure he has had some support from some democrats.)

Corporations have abused bailout funds (taxpayers' money) and used them to pay their CEOs - including Mitt 'Flip Romney' - obscene bonuses and severances.

Greed has prevented corporations from fulfilling their societal obligations to pay back some dividends to hire more after having been bailed out by taxpayers.

How could any fair-minded people blame this bad economy on Pres. Obama?

Sanity, i am not seeing any of these lies that you keep talking about.

Why don't you show us some, with proof.

Waiting

Pig, what corporation, that was bailed out by the government, is not hiring today? And what do dividends have to do with it?

Also do "corporations," as you put it, who have not received any bailout, have a societal obligation?

By profession, CEOs are narrow minded and greedy, only interested in boosting their own stock, always at the expense of others, do you really want CEO Romney in White House, doing just that - doing what a vulture knows best?

NOTHING sums up the TRUTH better than: "Republicans holding MILLIONS of american jobs hostage, so ONE man will lose his." Nothing!

Every job of the 80,000 jobs gained in June had 368 workers in line to apply for it, on average.

During Obama's first 3.5 years, the number of working age Americans not working has increased to 78,000,000 from 68,000,000, an increase of 10,000,000.

At this rate of decline, by the end of an 8 year Obama presidency the American workforce will have declined 21,600,000 additional persons from the level Obama inherited from George Bush on January 9, 2008.

In case you missed it, this is important. Please read.

From an interview with Congressman Kevin Brady on CNBC:

Brady, vice chairman of the Congressional Joint Economic Committee, released two charts showing figures for 10 recessionary periods beginning in 1949. (Data from the Great Depression are not included.)

The first is the percent change of private sector job growth 28 months after a cycle low, with an average of prior recessions at 8 percent. He cites Obama’s track record from February 2010, with a growth of 4.1 percent.

The second chart shows an average real GDP growth of 13.8 percent over the 11 quarters following the end of each recession. The data during Obama’s presidency are calculated from the second quarter of 2009, clocking in at 6.7 percent GDP growth.

The news release cites data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and JEC Republican staff calculations.

Brady also criticized the 4 million new jobs Obama claims to have created.

“Well, he’s telling about half the story,” he said. “It’s unfortunate we’re still more than 4 million jobs short of where this recession began, 41 straight months of unemployment above 8 percent. That’s a post-World War II record.”

Brady took aim at the administration’s economic stimulus, bailout of the auto industry, the financial bailout and the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing. And although consumer and government spending has risen, business investment is lagging, Brady said.

“That’s due to this president’s policies, and he really has no one to blame but himself,” he added.

“What we lack is a good, strong business climate with lower taxes, fairer regulation. And again, President Obama’s health care plan really is another drag on the economy. Until we get Washington out of the way, this president’s recovery is going to continue to rank dead last.”

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Be sure to vote. Be sure to vote Obama out of office in November if you want this economy to improve.

Can you believe the conservative hypocrisy?

When the economy is doing well, it's market that is perfect. Forget about Madoff and JP Morgan Chase, and Barclays, and their crime against the Perfect Market, making it not-so-perfect

When the economy is not doing well, it's Obama's fault? Why can't you conservatives blame the market going through cycles and reaching its downward part of the cycle, borrowing your own denial of global warming as the globe going through its warmer cycle now?

Pig, by not answering my question you have shown that you don't know what you are talking about.

You seem to be making a poor attempt at parroting the anti-capitalist rantings of the DNC.

Run along and get some new talking points from the DNC about how evil American companies are because they choose to stay open and profitable rather than going out of business.

GCooper-4276999

I would attribute this "meteoric rise" in CEO compensation to a better than average economy where profit is shared amongst the top tiered employees unequally against the workers of the country. Again, this is due to a booming economy nothing else.

HUH?

The ratio is the same 531:1. This means the CEO’s were making 531 times the average worker’s pay. It wasn’t 532:2 or 531:3. Today the inequality is 380:1. Ratios do not change. 1:1 is the same today as it was in 2000.

Now if you’re trying to play the fairness card and claim when economies contract that some “fairness equation” kicks in I’ll ask you the same question I’ve been asking since Barrack Hussein started his class-warfare meme.

Who will be the unbiased, perfectly honest, arbiter to decide what is “fair”?

Our criminal government? Obama? Hairy Reed? John “Tammy Faye” Boehner? The Pope? Who is this mythical person who will be without any possible prejudice? To extend it even further, who will decide at what point the economy allows CEO’s to get higher or lower salaries? Will it be based on GDP, the deficit, inflation? How long will it last, one month, one quarter, one year?

Remember. Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn, it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned. I'll vote for anyone who will try to improve my standard of living ...without destroying someone else’s!

So should you Liberals.

Now this:

"Y2011 Continuing Resolution through March 18, 2011, (H.J.Res. 48/P.L. 112-6) Congress has approved a total of $1.283 trillion"

You’re cheating, shame, shame. The post says:

according to the Congressional Research Services report with enactment of the sixth FY2011 Continuing Resolution through March 18, 2011, (H.J.Res. 48/P.L. 112-6) Congress has approved a total of $1.283 trillion for,,,,

$1.283 trillion is the TOTAL, not one CR.

Here are the yearly appropriations.

FY2003 Supplemental: Operation Iraqi Freedom: Passed April 2003; Total $78.5 billion, $54.4 billion Iraq War

FY2004 Supplemental: Iraq and Afghanistan Ongoing Operations/Reconstruction: Passed November 2003; Total $87.5 billion, $70.6 billion Iraq War

FY2004 DoD Budget Amendment: $25 billion Emergency Reserve Fund (Iraq Freedom Fund): Passed July 2004, Total $25 billion, $21.5 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2005 Emergency Supplemental: Operations in the War on Terror; Activities in Afghanistan; Tsunami Relief: Passed April 2005, Total $82 billion, $58 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2006 Department of Defense appropriations: Total $50 billion, $40 billion (estimated) Iraq War.

FY2006 Emergency Supplemental: Operations Global War on Terror; Activities in Iraq & Afghanistan: Passed February 2006, Total $72.4 billion, $60 billion (estimated) Iraq War

FY2007 Department of Defense appropriations: $70 billion(estimated) for Iraq War-related costs.

FY2007 Emergency Supplemental (proposed) $100 billion

FY2008 Bush administration has proposed around $190 billion for the Iraq War and Afghanistan.

FY2009 Obama administration has proposed around $130 billion in additional funding for the Iraq War and Afghanistan.

FY2011 Obama administration proposes around $159.3 billion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Sanity, I'm waiting you to back up your claim of lies.

Cant do it can you.

Hack.

Two Face, bman & Pigotry,

You guys rock!!! I mean I can see you guys sitting back, smoking a fatty and trying to get people angry by doing a cut and paste from some leftist, pro obama website! Genius!! You guys must be laughing your stoned heads off reading angry responses to all the leftist jibberish you're copying from MoveOn.org. You guys rule! Smoke another bowl for me!!!

Whether you are a conservative complaining about the inadequacies of democrats or a liberal griping about failed republican policies, all I can say is congratulations, you are correct. The 2 heads of the duopoly have been swapping power back and forth for a century and a half with equally lame results. Neither side has the answer; its time for a third option.

Hi, Demon:

Demoncrats is defined as 'government by demons, of demons, and for demons,' if Romney the Demon wins - unlikely.

I am not talking jeberish, that's the language of Jeb Bush, an SOB (son of Bush) - of course only Republicants talk Jebrish.

I am Pigotry - government by pigs, of pigs, and for pigs.

Wow Pigotry, you did smoke another bowl!!!

Even though republican business owners have been saving their record profits for 3 years so that they could start laying off right before the election, some businessmen are honest enough to hire 80,000 people this month. Maybe the country isn't dead and gone yet.

You're right TheCavalier, Republican employers have been pushing their current workers harder and harder, sitting on mountains of cash and holding off on hireing to make the Obama administration look bad. They are fully on board with Boehner's crusade to make Obama a 1 term persident, and are willing to use any means to do it. Including letting the country stagnate. They will use all their economic might to get back on the Republican corporate gravy train. Just watch the jobs numbers for december '12 though, they can't keep this up much longer and stay profitable.

Republican employers have been pushing their current workers harder and harder, sitting on mountains of cash and holding off on hireing to make the Obama administration look bad.

And I suppose Democratic employers are working their employees less and less and spending themselves into the poorhouse? ROFLMAO!

This is an election year, the GOP will not lift a finger to help create jobs. As the president has said the GOP cheer bad news on the economy. why would they want good news when they know good news is bad news for their job??

Riddle me this, Two-Face. Why do hopeless losers who get banned from Newsvine feel compelled to return here time and time again. Are you really that hard up for validation?

I can't help wondering when I read posts from the reich wing trolls and troglodytes whether they are really so uninformed that they are unaware that Obama took over an economy that was far worse off than anyone thought, that the repugnican party has consistently tried to tank the economy just to be able to blame Mr. Obama, that the GOP has, IMO, committed treason against us, and that the GOP would be content to destroy the whole country, if that's what it takes to defeat Obama, and that the GOP consistently uses half-truths and lies to try and obfuscate. It is possible that they-the reich wing troglodytes- are just very, very stupid. But I'm more convinced than ever, as I read posts from people like Jo Anna Smith, NoBoNoJo, Brianb, and other knuckle-dragging jackboots that they really just have a problem with a black man in the White House. The issues become clearer every day. Romney will destroy what's left of our economy. What bushco did to our country is historical fact, far beyond debate by reasonable and informed people. So why would anyone blame Mr. Obama for failing to fix their mess fast enough while they're still trying to make it worse? This is much like firefighters trying to put out a fire while the arsonist is still tossing gas on the fire. Are the RWNJs unaware of this? I doubt it.

Why would any fool come on here and repeatedly post that Reid is sitting on dozens of "jobs bills" when every one of those "bills" have a poison pill attached to them that would gut what Obama is trying to do? Do the jackboots not know they're pasting half-truths or are they just trying to deflect away from the truth that the GOP wants to finish gutting the federal govt? I have a brother-in-law who is highly dependent on government programs and yet he rails against Obama and embraces the teabaggers who will have him living under a bridge. I am forced to conclude as things become clearer in politics and economics that the right is about half and half between dumb as a rock and just hating Obama more than they love their country. So be it. I find it more and more pointless to post . The reasonable people here are either singing to the choir or to deaf people. But you can be sure that a vote for Romney is a vote to dismantle the federal govt and move millions of poeple out of houses and under bridges. We have already fought one war over this issue and apparently, the teabaggers want one more. We are a united nation- not just a bunch of states hanging around together. The bloodiest was we have fought was this war. Do we really need to have another? Apparently so because the repugnicans are OK with treason agaonst the Union and their adherents are supporting it. Kiss your kids goodbye when it starts. Do you hate Obama enough to kill your kids in a civil war?

So rail on against Obama. This is a lot like choosing to go down with the Titanic rather than get in a lifeboat because there's a black man in the lifeboat. Okay. Enjoy your swim. fools.

All that and what, no feisty?

LMAO.

For all Opotus lovers: In post 1933 Germany a socialized medical system was introduced to control costs. Soon after Nazis realized that they could not treat all the people. Ultimate death panels were created and not only Jews, but Gypsy, feeble and countless other undesirable people were eliminated.

The question is, who runs the death panels now? Once your health care provider decides they have paid enough money to cure you, you are done. Might as well start making funeral plans. And how much is enough? That's OK, they will decide that for you. What you don't understand is that death panels are already here. And the ultimate penalty is not decided on your genetic makeup but on the size of the CEO's next bonus. Is that really what you want?

Vote for Romney and we'll see who runs the death panels. I suspect it will be the insurance companies.

"The economy would have to add about 13 million jobs over the next three years — about 360,000 each month — to bring unemployment down to 6 percent."

The chances of that happening under Obama? Between 'slim and none'.

The only jobs Obama focused on in his first 3 years were public sector union jobs and now his only focus is his own job.

The official government Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that there are still 1.3 million fewer people working than when Obama took office, and there are another 5 million net new people that have entered the working age group - only to find no jobs available.

No matter how Obama tries to 'spin' the bad news, he has FAILURE written all over his face.

Please. If this President knew the meaning of the word compromise, maybe he could get a bill passed. His Jobs Act was a joke and it wasn't "blocked by Teapublicans", it was met with equal disdain from the Democrats.

Oh, please, that's total BS and you know it. Obama's problem, and Democrats in general, is that we are too quick to compromise.

The stimulus package passed in 2008 was reduced to $790B because the Republicans cried about how expensive it was, even though Economists all said it was not expensive enough. Then, the Democrats acquiesced to Republican whining and loaded it with tax cuts to benefit the wealthiest.

The Affordable Care Act was a Republican idea originally, yet when Democrats tried to implement the changes, Republicans cried that it was unconstitutional. Then when the SCOTUS said it was constitutional, Republican Governors refuse to act in their states.

The most notable lack of compromise by the right was last summer's "Grand Compromise" brokered between Obama/Boehner which proposed a $4T cut in the deficit by equal parts of spending cuts and tax increases. Everyone in the country would have some skin in the game. Instead, Tea Party-ists who were elected based on the promise of reducing the deficit balked at the idea of having to defy their pledge to Grover Norquist and refused the deal.

As a result, only spending cuts were implemented...and now you have Republicans that are out there trying to re-neg on their spending cuts.

It's impossible to govern effectively when you have a group of leaders on one side (Republicans) who pledge to do everything in their power to make the President's initiatives ineffective, even if it means harming the American public and economy in the process.

The worst compromise of all was Pelosi's refusal to consider impeachment for Bush and/or Cheney. That should never have been taken off of the table, and Republicans should be thankful that neither of those two were indicted for war crimes.

The ignorance and hypocrisy of liberals never seizes to amaze, their entire history relates to Bush, but they give no mention of Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA into law. NAFTA is the single biggest reason this country has job shortage, millions left our shores after Clinton signed it into law. It just did not happen over night.

The Obama campaign asks, do you want to return to the failed policies that got us into this mess, or stay with the failed policies that have made it worse. Nothing Obama has done has worked. We have wasted trillions on failed policies and government expansion. I guess being a community organizer was not the best resume for becoming president.

Obama talks a good game, but talk is cheap and his actions speak louder then words. Everything he promised has been a failure. Other then the fact that Obama loves the perks and benefits of being president, he remains today what he was when elected, the most unqualified person to ever sit in the oval office. Obama has had almost four years, and this country would have been better off if he came into office and did nothing. Obama has wasted 6 trillion dollars and this country has nothing to show for it.

Hhahhaa!!

Two Face owns...Grail Quest..Demoncrats...No jo!!! Two Face got them to squeal like little tea baggot babies!! Wwaaa...Waaaa!! LOL!

I can see why they want Two Face banned...because Two Face posts FACTS!!! Unlike the mountain of GOP misinformation and tea baggot propaganda from Grail Quest, Demoncrats and No jo.

republicons and tea baggots are just pathetic!

@Rick = Spouting off more Faux Noise talking points

You're the reason why the republican voters are losing any respect they had left.

Its people like you that are so consumed with hate that they will entertain absolute silliness about Obama which really hints at their racism and then they are so blinded by their hatred for a black president that they now share that same hate for anyone, republican or Democrat, who even slightly works with Obama on issues. Personally I don’t see how the United States can ever become a great nation again.

We have the rich who want to consume the poor, the corporations who wish to enslave Americans and the religious zealots who care more for sperm than they do for children we already have.

Gee, I wonder why Obama hasnt got anything done.....

This is straight from Two Face and can be verified as FACT:

The republicans have filibustered President Obama over 100 times the first year he was in Office. The GOP/Tea Bangers have filibustered Obama more in the in the past 4 years, than all of the past 50 yrs combined!!! The GOP is the Party, that for "some" reason, has a personal, not political hatred for the President, which is stronger than their love for America or Americans!

Twofaced...you talking points are dated, Bush is not the president now, and Obama didn't inherit the problem. He was a member of the US Senate and voted on the biggest issues that he now claims he inherited...If he didn't understand the consequences of his action, he should have voted against the initiative, but like a good goosestepper, he voted with the majority...if he did understand the consequences, then he gets what he deserves. No one is accepting the blame Bush tactic...this is Obama's economy, this is his jobs number, he has no one to blame but himself. Out of ideas, out of touch, out of time and soon to be out of office.

The hypocrisy of the liberals on this site is palpable. Will none of you acknowledge the liberal hero Gridlock Tom Daschle; is it the opinion of the liberals that Obama's presidency did not begin until after the 2010 mid-terms when America awoke to find Obama to be the person he himself swore he was not?

"Who are you going to believe; me, or your damn lying eye's" is not the winning strategy you traitors on left seem to believe it is.

Our prisons are 33% overcrowded; 33% of inmates in U.S. prisons are illegal immigrants, Medicare is 35% underfunded; 35% of Medicare recipients are illegal immigrants, public schools are 15% underfunded; illegal immigrants account for 15% of public school students, yet Obama refuses to enforce federal immigration laws and even seeks to punish those states disproportionately effected by illegal immigration from protecting their respective citizenry from this invasion.

To add insult to injury this administration expanded the national debt to levels that even the liberal cheerleaders on this site refuse to address. 75% of the Auto Industry bail-out went overseas to shore up GM's international holdings which include Opel, Hyundai, Daewoo, Kia, etc...

Obama did none of things he said he would do when campaigning four years ago and all of the things he swore he would not do.

Is this really the change you beleived in?

Pulling the race card only proves you know this administration cannot stand on merit.

@Randy = more desperate talking points from Faux News.

All of you delusional GOP cretins continue to be blind to the failure of your own party's ideological experiments- you just keep trying to pin the blame on the brown guy, but it won't stick.

Frustrating, huh?!?!?

Instead of owning up to the overwhelming evidence that the sum of your cynical anti-government, cowboy-foreign policy, trickle-down economics, taxes=bad, starve-the-beast, regulations-be-damned, limited government (i.e. let my cronies get away with their graft), unfettered privatization, market-is-god thinking is what got us into this mess.

The GOP/Tea Bangers discredited ideology is a complete failure, and it has cost the American people trillions in losses. The big hole in the treasury and drastic recession are, YES, W/Cheney's fault. No amount of denial will change that.

The GOP/Tea Tool party sucks at governing and economic stewardship. There's nothing even truly "conservative" about the GOP any more- what's "conservative" about borrow-and-spend, reckless wars, invasive social policy, or demolishing our once-proud governing institutions?

The GOP/Tea Tools are a bunch of saboteurs, vandals, and lobby whores. Take your lumps, and let the smart, decent man- who actually believes in governance and economic stewardship- run the place for a while.

I'll bet you anything that after 8 years of Obama we'll be in WAY better shape than after 8 years of the Cheney/W debacle. Sore losers.

@ Two-Face Tea Banger

The rhetoric you babble, is right out Obama's "ignore what I did" blame Bush and the Tea Party re-election Campaign.

Don't you find it strange the HOUSE has passed and introduced to the SENATE over 30 JOB BILLS, only to have the DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED SENATE, led by Harry Reid, refuses to compromise or act, including producing a budget.

The "FALL" of America started with Nixon and his administration in deciding to get involved in a World Wide Global Economy and taking the US off the GOLD STANDARD.

After 40 years of the US living on "credit cards", the US is now paying the price for those decisions.

All one has to do is look at Europe Today, to see what the future holds for America.

If we in the US continue down Obamanomics, grow government, entitle people, using the government is a "cure all" mentality, war will be the only way to change.

Obama and his "welfare" presidency, more people signed up for disability, than found jobs, under his administration, is not working.

Obama's battle cry of "taxing the wealthy" (the 1%), when Obama is really taxing all, is a short term fix, for a long term problem.

Without Government reeling in spending, their is no fix, none!

America needs to bring back personal responsibility, protect our borders and put the needs of US Citizens first, instead of spending our US tax dollars on developing other countries and the military.

@ Two-Face,

I happen to be a registered Independent and a recovering Democrat.

To Quote George Putnam:

"I did not leave the Democrat party; the Democrat party left me"

Your "Who are you going to believe; me, or your damn lying eyes" routine has played itself out; to the extent that your efforts will be rewarded with yet another landslide defeat this November - as you were in November of 2010 when this same tactic blew-up in your face.

You sir are a racist; you and your fellow Kill Whitey Democrats disgust me and the vast majority of right thinking Americans.

Unemployment is stagnant, our national debt keeps growing, and our trade deficit is getting worse. So the economy is tanking and our President thinks that it is going in the right direction. According to an administration report, unemployment has been worse than if the stimulus bill were never passed. So our federal government has been waisting money and increasing our debt with little to show for it. Our President promised that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet his own White House is predicting a deficit of more than 1.3 trillion dollars which is more than 1 trillion dollars more than what the President promised. Because we are already more than 15 trillion dollars in debt with huge deficits projected for at least another decade. I estimate that this additional trillion dollars is going to end up costing the tax payers more than 9 trillion dollars to repay over the next 170 years. It seems that our President is prone to fantasize a lot about the state of the economy.

@Randy....you're a bold face liar.

All you have posted is the same talking points from Faux Noize, Beckerhead, Fatbo, Boortz. Lush and host of other right-wing-hate mediums which you seem to repeat , Goebbels-like....you dont fool anybody with your fake "Im a recovering democrat" spiel. You are a die hard Tea Tool..and no sense in denying it...you are soo transparent anyway.

Seriously, the GOP/Tea Tools like Randy..... needs to stop using the "welfare mothers", "Obama wants to kill all whites", "Death Panels" and "freeloading students" boogie men and manufactured controversies to frighten the American public into voting for "coddle the 1%...because its not working.

The GOP sells fear like a carnival barker sells tickets to see the circus.

You're pathetic Randy.....truly pathetic.

@Will = spewing more Faux News/Lush talking points....

Slowly things are coming back. It takes alot of time repair the damage from Bush and his gang of neo-con nation wreckers and thieves.

George W. Bush inherited a strong economy, a budget surplus, and a nation at peace....

Eight years later the GOP destroyed the country through their malfeasance and naked greed through the Bush Administration debacle... the worst president in history.

Bush left Obama with a shattered economy, a trillion dollar deficit, and two useless wars.

2/08 - 1/09 4,462,000 jobs LOST (Bush's last year)

2/09 - 1/10 4,282,000 jobs LOST (Obama's first year)

2/10 - 1/11 1,177,000 jobs GAINED

2/11 - 4/12 2,632,000 jobs GAINED

Obama's lack of keeping his promises is more a result of the party of NO than any failure on his part. There are just too many bigots in Congress determined to not let a black man go down in history as a good President.

According to the GOP/Tea Baggers, making everybody mad is the best sign that you are actually doing your job. LOL!!!

Right now...... Dems are high-fiving strangers in the streets…this is gonna be a slaughter!!!

Bottom line is that 8 years of Bush policies are what got us here in the first place, and the Republicans in Congress are fighting the President every step of the way as Obama tries to dig us out of this mess.

The GOP/Tea Baggots are just stalling for time, hoping they can pull off a Hail Mary come November.

Can’t wait to cast my vote, go home, grill a steak & watch Obama’s landslide victory unfold. I might take the next day off just to listen to Limbaugh have a stroke on-air!! Hahahahaaa!!!

PutAmericaFirst

I find it odd that two face blames Bush and the republicans, but in 2006 when they had control of the house, senate and presidency, we had projected surpluses from 2009 on, Dow and 401K's were at record levels and unemployment was around 4%. Then democrats took control of writing the legislation for the country and it has been record deficits and job losses. Two face puts up the job numbers in the last few months of the Bush administration, but that was also after nearly two years of democrats writing legislation for the country? So why should I blame Bush only? Isn't six years of democrat legislation enough to see that we were better off when republicans wrote the legislation?

First of all, what you Republicans fail to remember was that unemployment was at roughly 4% and surpluses were (supposedly) projected after 2009 in part because of the housing bubble; you know, the thing that blew up in 2007 and sent the global economy in a downward spiral??? You Republicans fail to realize that during a recession, rises in unemployment create large deficits; without all the Bush fiscal policies, the deficit would be at about $600 billion; now they are double that. So essentially, you can blame half of the deficit on George Bush (not a political excuse, but a statistical fact). Secondly, Republicans (and many Democrats) fail to realize that it takes more than a few years (or one presidential administration) to cause a recession the size of the Great Depression, and it will take far longer to recover from such a recession. The roots of this recession were laid during the Reagan administration (actually, it began theoretically with Carter), and the polarization of the Republican Party and their adoption of trickle-down economics and deregulation. The only way, in my opinion, to get out of this recession quickly (if that is even possible) is to declare World War III or simulate a situation of war and copy every economic policy that FDR did from 1939 to 1945. Price controls, limits on how much you can earn, and yes, a 91% tax rate (or a modern equivalent, maybe 45%). That, and a massive increase in public spending (not necessarily on weapons of war, but maybe on infrastructure, education, green energy, etc) will definitely put the economy back on track in approximately 5 years. But that is only based on history; we may have to make adjustments for modern society. And to your last point, you cannot really compare the past 6 years of Democratic leadership to the years under George Bush because first of all, the Democrats are not in power: we currently have a shared government between the Senate Democrats, the House Republicans, and the Democratic White House. Secondly, during the last two years, Republicans have filibustered a record number of bills, having one filibuster every five days. That in itself should show how disruptive the current GOP has become. Thirdly, George W. Bush's tenure could have been shortened to four years had he not had the housing bubble to lift us out of the dot-com crash. Finally, the Democrats were forced to repair the country after the mess that Bush and his conservative predecessors had created. Your criticism of the Democrats is like the people who blame repairmen for not quickly repairing a burnt house, while those who started the fire are ignored and forgotten.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Adler-273784

For those complaining about lack of job creation I ask what would YOU have done to produce more jobs? More tax breaks for the filthy rich? Deregulate everything allowing the greedy to run amok?

Look at JP Morgan and their 2 billion loss that may reach 9 billion, and now the Barclays scandal, which is huge. These were the two among the few banking institutions folks had faith in. Breaking News -- Anyone who trusts Banksters is a fool. Regulate the crap out of them.

Thomas Blue

Vote for Romney and we'll see who runs the death panels. I suspect it will be the insurance companies.

The really important part of this post is the FACT that if Romney managed to squeak out a win, he can't repeal ACA. That is one of the worst of his "Day 1" lies. Thanks for the reminder. : ]

Rick-3416939

The ignorance and hypocrisy of liberals never seizes to amaze.

It never "seizes" indeed.

TJM07

Twofaced...you talking points are dated, Bush is not the president now, and Obama didn't inherit the problem. He was a member of the US Senate and voted on the biggest issues that he now claims he inherited..

Hahaha, wow what an amazing feat of NO logic there. Where did you get this, off Glenn Beck's chalkboard?

RandyEK -- Really, you were a Democrat and now you're Independent? The prison populations could be drastically reduced immediately by decriminalizing drugs. Illegals can't collect benefits for which their Social Security numbers must be validated. You don't sound like a Democrat now or ever -- just another misguided rightwinger.

Obama/Biden - 2012!

Libs and their blatant disinformation campaign is embarrassing to watch.

Illegals cannot be denied medical treatment when they show up in emergency rooms across America; nor can they be denied a taxpayer funded education due to the SCOTUS 1982 misreading of the 14th amendment intended to apply to lawful citizens and not everyone in the world. Today's largest illegal immigration problem are those coming here who are under they age of thirty looking to get on board the recent amnesty announced via Presidential fiat - in direct violation of our laws and in defiance of the separation of powers called out for in the U.S. Constitution.

Obama/Biden Bumper-Stickers on sale now:

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"If you thought the last four years were bad just wait until we get four more"

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"It's George W. Bush's fault"

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"Like a box of chocolates"

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RandyEK

Libs and their blatant disinformation campaign is embarrassing to watch.

The GOP convention with Donald Trump -- now that's embarrassing!

Of course republicans lie.

When your ONLY policy is lowering taxes on billionaires and corporations by raising taxes on everyone else you have to lie because the truth will not get you elected.

If you are one of those that voted against your own best interests and the best interests of this country because you believed the childish lies of the GOP/Tea Tools/Christian Taliban..........you are what is really wrong with America.

People who voted for the GOP/Tea Trash have let greedy, selfish and morally bankrupt religious fanatics take over the grand experiment and they have made a shambles of it. It is time that we stopped giving those that wish to destroy this government the power to achieve that goal.

Heaven help us, but Romney could be the second coming of George W. Bush (Mr. Bush, I would remind people, was the president before Barack Obama, but has been airbrushed out of all the Republican May Day pictures at the GOP Kremlin)

Romney is not interested in improving the lot of the American people.

Vote Obama

Vote Obama ?.......No way, pal......this is....without a doubt.....THE WORST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES....HE IS A VIRTUAL ghost, nobody knows him from his childhood....(very strange)....nor high school (???)...and his lack of any experience in managing/leading ANYTHING is coming back to bite him (and us) in the butt.......I hope and pray that we have a catastrophic economic event a month before the election. The Black Panthers won't be able to intimidate voters here in Philly this time... VOTE ROMNEY

Well put. Obama hasn't got a clue. The only people voting for Obama this time are idiots, moochers and illegal aliens. Obama has done more damage to America than all the wars and 9-11 combined. He's a fool and an elitist. Read Ed Klein's "The Amateur" and you'll be amazed and understand why Obama is such a fool. Why do people continue to coddle him as he loses jobs, adds trillions to our debt and ignores some of the laws of the land that don't suit him?

Ouch.

On the off chance that some of our posters are actually interested in understanding the overall history of the current unemployment crisis, they can see a chart and graph of unemployment rates from 1/02 to present here at the Bureau of Labor Statistics website:
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Unemployment began to rise and continued to do so in the end of 2nd quarter of '07; it began to fall in 4th quarter of '09 and has continued to do so. Both periods of rise and fall include brief reversals in their trending numbers, but the overall trends persist.
Hopefully, a simple visual presentation of fact will aid in their understanding of the current unemployment picture and why it's improving... and continuing to do so.
Please note the lack of invective, name calling, and finger pointing. Thank you.

gcooper,

your point being???? This economy would be back to normal if the POTUS did not continue to put out policies that create uncertainty in the business community as well as add cost (which of course will be passed onto us). Good thing he put in "policies" to prevent us from drinking "dirty water". Heck, that has been a huge problem for the USA....well, I guess it was back in the early to mid 1800's. LOLOLOL.

Face it, he has no clue how to handle th economy and his policys are at best punitive and at worst bone headed. According to our POTUS all of the problems are somebody elses fault (translation=I can't handle solving these problems. Oops, I guess I screwed up on those committments I made). He does not want accountability and we cannot have that in the Oval office. We need leadership and leaders are accountable. I am sure you agree with me that we need a change and it is now time for the adults to take over. I appreciate President Obamas committment but we clearly need a change. So much hope when he took office.....a shame it has not lived up to his promises....not even close. That is the unfortunate reality.

@ROY WILSON - So by your reckoning it will take 13 million jobs over the next 3 years to bring the unemployment rate down to 6%. That's the % romoney said he will bring unemployment down to in 4 years if elected. If businesses don't hire because their isn't sufficient demand and the consumers don't have or are afraid of spending, thus no boost for more demand. How will any President bring down the unemployment %? I can only guess its just faith on your part that romoney, your new messiah, will be the one to magically turn it all around. Being 63 years old, I've seen a few recessions. None of which ever occurred due to greed and destruction of the economy of the magnitude that occurred under your messiah "W". The cesspool was drained in 2008 but the resilient GOPhers have obstructed and undermined the POTUS from day one. There will be a turn around in the POTUS's 2ND term, I too have faith. We can't afford another rerun of "W".

victorkingdom

gcooper,

your point being???? This economy would be back to normal if the POTUS did not continue to put out policies that create uncertainty in the business community as well as add cost (which of course will be passed onto us). Good thing he put in "policies" to prevent us from drinking "dirty water". Heck, that has been a huge problem for the USA....well, I guess it was back in the early to mid 1800's. LOLOLOL.

Oh bull@!$%#. We cannot spend political capital and arguing power over something as stupid as business uncertainty. While it does exist, it cannot be the only factor influencing policy. If that had been at the center of the political universe, we would have never been able to re-regulate Wall Street after the Great Depression because "the business community" would be frightened. To hell with the damn business community. They are either scared to invest in the economy or holding it off until after the election so they can get their guy in to do their bidding. I say beat them at their own game. It's time for the government to start pumping money into the economy. We gotta invest, in education, in infrastructure, in innovation and green energy. We shouldn't kowtow to the will of Big Business; we should to help the economy, with or without their help.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

"Lies, Damn Lies, and Statics"

Two face and others just have not learned that lesson. You can manipulate the numbers and cherry pick stats all you want, but here are some FACTS:

1) About 5 MILLION jobs, that is how much the total available jobs in the US has SHRUNK since Obama took office

2) 6.5 Million jobs, thats how many jobs WOULD HAVE BEEN CREATED BY NOW IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED had Obamas policies been produced the AVERAGE RESULTS recovering from a recession looking at all recessions for the past 100 years.

3) REAL UNEMPLOYMENT (U6) is still in the mid teens, and young blacks are looking at 50%

Source: CBO, BLS

Like him or not, his recovery efforts fall way short of average. Time to look at the facts.

The unemployment rate has been above 8% for 41 consecutive months. In the previous 60 years, the jobless topped 8% in a total of only 39 months. Obama's going for a record no President will be able to break.

• African American unemployment ticked up to 14.4 percent in June from 13.6 percent in May.
• Hispanic unemployment remained higher than the national average at 11 percent last month.

And yet they are in the bag for Democrats.

Insanity? or Stupidity?

@irRATIONAL American - Insanity? or Stupidity? Neither! Maybe its just self evident to them that they are not part of the 1%. Mr. "I've got mine" isn't going to draw them in by any stretch of your imagination. Plastic=phony, condescending and uppity=romoney! Now do you understand?

@ b'mused and distracted,

Clearly you are racist and think that no Black person nor Hispanic person can earn $380,000 a year.

Top 1%: $380,354

Nor can they earn $160K, right?

Top 5%: $159,619

Top 10%: $113,799

Top 25%: $67,280

Top 50%: >$33,048, maybe you think they all fall in this bucket? Or do you think they are below this bucket?

I can only conclude you really are a racist. Judge ye not, but I have a clear assumption as to your mental health and intelligence. Thanks for clearing that up.

Freshii,

That's right, screw business. After all, businesses don't hire people and they are bad for the economy. Get a clue. The numbers are the numbers and by ALL measures this POTUS has been an utter failure when it comes to the economy. Me, I'll take my chances with someone who knows how to make money--yes, make money (I know that is a bad thing for you) --versus a proven over-titled community organizer.

@irRational American - Talk about grasping for straws! Where exactly did I imply that African Americans and Hispanics couldn't be a 1%? I'd venture to say every race, religion and political persuasion is represented in the 1%. It really sounds to me that you should use your ticket to Crazy Town. By the way, are you just fishing with all that whining you produce to have a vineyard named after you?

This was your statement:

Neither! Maybe its just self evident to them that they are not part of the 1%.

You maintain that minorities are not part of the 1%. That is clearly not true. Therefore you are stating your views as fact when they are lies. That leads me to conclude you are racist as you generalize the economic standing of these ethnic minorities.

Its a simple logic argument. You should have no trouble seeing why I think you are racist after reading your statement.

amused but not distracted "@ROY WILSON - We can't afford another rerun of "W"."

Let's see now;

Under 'W', the economy (GDP) grew by 46.6% (2008 vs 2000), but under Obama, it has grown by only 4.9% (2011 vs 2008).

Under 'W', the average number of jobs (2008 vs 2000) grew by 5,005,000, but under Obama, the average number of jobs (2011 vs 2008) has SHRUNK by -5,431,000 (per the official government Bureau of Labor Statistics).

So which 'rerun' can we not afford?

Here's the site to verify average employment by year;

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

@Rat American - Try to use some logic, just not solely simple. There are about 315 million Americans. 1% = 3.15 million, are you with me so far. Nothing I said excludes anyone but the 99% of the population as of this date. You are ascribing a totally fabricated meaning and accusing me of something that makes you appear to be anything but rational. Did you miss your train to Crazy Town?

@Roy Wilson - Those numbers are impressive! But in what state did the Bush admin leave this nation? Those numbers make his real estate bubble economy (read mirage) pale in comparison. A redux, I think not!

So bemused and impacted,

You think there are 3.15 million in the economic 1%, well that is funny. No one uses individuals we use households in the US to make such calculations.

There are an estimated 1.4 million households with earnings in the 1%. They are doctors, lawyers, executives, financial managers, engineers, real estate professionals, government workers!, sports stars, entertainers, etc.

So what percentage is Black? Hispanic? Asian? You implied zero with your racist comments. I assume you stipulate these ethnicities are members of the 1% without me proving it to you (I don't want to assume you are pedantic.)

So you maintain that Blacks are more likely to vote for Obama because they are comfortable with 14.4% unemployment and 50% unemployment for young blacks 18-25 because they cannot relate to successful people as opposed to Obama (A member of the 1%.) That makes zero sense. Must be something else huh.

@RAT CAN - Thanks for the information on of how the 1% is determined. It appears you suffer from a form of mental catalepsy. Now you said "And yet they are in the bag for the Democrats. Insanity or stupidity?" Wouldn't that be implying a racist bent on your part that African Americans and Hispanics are incapable of making a rational decision, solely based on unemployment figures, about who to vote for President. I get the feeling that in fact you are the closet racists. Freudian slip on your part. Again a rational person would not imply my original comment is in any way racially motivated. You just appear to be stuck on stupid.

You appear to be stuck on Racist Democrat talking points.

You are real comfortable with Blacks and Hispanics being in the bag for Obama. Might you be taking them for granted? Me thinks he is and you are just fine with that even though they are being under served by this administration.

Ticked up? 0.8 points is a tick up! What the Fuqq! The Democrats and their stooges in the media really do think their constituents are stupid. You should be embarrassed and pissed off that they think you are that stupid bmused.

You are so in the tank for Obama he could sh!t in your cereal and you'd say thanks. He thinks you are that stupid. And if you take a bite and ask for more then you prove that point.

Enjoy your breakfast. Make sure you watch your sugar intake so Me-chelle doesn't chastise you.

Do you really need the nanny state to tell you how to eat? You'd think that means they think you are so stupid you don't know how to feed yourself and take care of yourself.

So either Democrats are stupid or their masters just think they are.

@rat can't - Are you one of those patriotic SCJ Scalia loving but broccoli hating Americans? I think African Americans and Hispanics are more than capable of discerning who to vote for President. Current polling shows hefty majorities of both favoring the current POTUS. Just because you resent & disagree with this reality is quite simply your problem. Are they really any different than the Evangelicals (I refer to them as the GOP's African Americans) in their devotion to their party of sanctimonious hypocrites. My loyalty to the POTUS is of my concern only. What you think is putrid and vile? You are a poor excuse for a hominoid and most likely are a closer match to the extinct Neanderthals. Looking forward to further discussions, Mr. Knuckledragger.

Is that the best you can do? Lose the argument and start firing off insults.

All Liberal Progressive Socialist do that. Typical.

I find it amazing that blacks would double down on Obama when he has done nothing for them and has only caused them more economic pain WHILE TAKING THEM FOR GRANTED! What has he done for them? NOTHING! Not one thing. He has done more for the Hispanics by pandering to them with a 30 and under dream act on executive order. Clearly I do not resent the position of these minority voting blocks I merely question what value they are getting when clearly they are being under served. Me, well I hate to be patronized, maybe you don't mind. And clearly the Democrats do not have the best interest of the Blacks in mind. If they did then why after 50 years of war on poverty are Blacks worse off. Why is it so many are on welfare? Why is it so many are unemployed? Killing each other in gangs?

Kind of makes any sane man wonder why they are in the tank for Dems.

I live in Nashville when not traveling abroad. Stop and I will buy you a drink some time. Don't worry, I won't stick you with the bill, I am not a parasite.

So would the current situation regarding African Americans(AF) be a new phenomenon? Hasn't it been that every economic downturn finds AA's have always suffered higher percentages of unemployment than all others? Nothing new there, regardless of who's President. Obama has done nothing for them? I think extending unemployment benefits and food stamps would count for something. In fact, everyone in dire straights have benefited. As the economy claws its way back, ever so slowly, those safety net benefits will decrease, as they should. The Republicans are starting to realize they too will have to start pandering to Hispanics, in that, they are the fastest growing minority. Legislation along the lines of Reagan's immigration reforms will be enacted certainly within the next ten years at most, if not sooner. Who do you think by raw numbers receives the most welfare? If your guess is blacks, then think again. The white population constitutes the biggest share of that pie. I would strongly disagree that AA's are worse off then 50 years ago, that's just rubbish. I have no "bumper sticker" answers for all your questions, they would require more time and research than I'm prepared to invest. Can't say I've been to Nashville but I'll keep you in mind. I live in Baltimore County, Md if your in the area, give me a shout out and I'll match your offer.

Don't like it, go back to FOX.

Romney has no plans for the economy or jobs. Nice of him to finally have a press conference where he still didn't answer he questions asked.

Stick with slow and steady increase, versus Romney's economic plan that blows a 5 trillion dollar hole in our economy.

Yeah, I remember back in '04 when Obama was busting Bush's balls for 5.3% unemployment.

In fact I was just listening to a little speech O gave back then. Man, was it harsh.

Too bad he was critical of the same stuff he is now doing, not to mention the unemployment under his watch.

But hey, at least he's got guys like Eric here. Eric - 80K new jobs is not enough to keep pace with population growth.

Oh and then there is the sad reality that 85k people signed up for disability last month.

But sure, let's go with 'slow and steady' right?

Maybe it's 'slow and stady' as we circle the drain, eh Eric?

Sure hope none of those 85k people were Republicans. It grates on my nerves how the Teatard party calls it a handout for Libs then turns around and soaks up their checks.

GCooper-4276999 - Isn't is funny how the far right whines about handouts but the red states accept the most government money? '

As for Spanky, he's still pouting that he was bragging that he KNEW how the Supreme Court would rule on the HeathCare bill and the rest of us just didn't have a clue. He was so quiet the day it cleared the court. But, as a court reporter he thinks he knows it all.

If the GOP had not blocked everything Obama has worked to do for the good of this country; if they hadn't said "to hell with the US as long as we defeat Obama;" we'd be in much better shape. Our best bet is to vote as many of the GOP out in November so we can get this country back on track. Romney certainly doesn't have a clue. He would mean the death of the middle class.

Obama/Biden 2012

Jindal said of the president, “He promised us four years ago he'd turn around the economy in four years, that didn't happen. Unemployment has been above 8 percent for the last 40 straight months. … We just want folks to know the president has made a lot of promises to the middle class, he's broken a lot of promises.”

So what is Little Bobby going to do, build sand castles and perform exorcisms?

Al - I believe you've definitely listed Jindal's strengths!

Obama/Biden 2012

We were circling the drain with Bush.

Look at the GDP growth and the upsurge in the DOW.

Obama has done his job, too bad he was obstructed by the Republicans or we would all be farther ahead.

From an interview with Congressman Kevin Brady on CNBC:

Brady, vice chairman of the Congressional Joint Economic Committee, released two charts showing figures for 10 recessionary periods beginning in 1949. (Data from the Great Depression are not included.)

The first is the percent change of private sector job growth 28 months after a cycle low, with an average of prior recessions at 8 percent. He cites Obama’s track record from February 2010, with a growth of 4.1 percent.

The second chart shows an average real GDP growth of 13.8 percent over the 11 quarters following the end of each recession. The data during Obama’s presidency are calculated from the second quarter of 2009, clocking in at 6.7 percent GDP growth.

The news release cites data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and JEC Republican staff calculations.

Brady also criticized the 4 million new jobs Obama claims to have created.

“Well, he’s telling about half the story,” he said. “It’s unfortunate we’re still more than 4 million jobs short of where this recession began, 41 straight months of unemployment above 8 percent. That’s a post-World War II record.”

Brady took aim at the administration’s economic stimulus, bailout of the auto industry, the financial bailout and the Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing. And although consumer and government spending has risen, business investment is lagging, Brady said.

“That’s due to this president’s policies, and he really has no one to blame but himself,” he added.

“What we lack is a good, strong business climate with lower taxes, fairer regulation. And again, President Obama’s health care plan really is another drag on the economy. Until we get Washington out of the way, this president’s recovery is going to continue to rank dead last.”

___________________

Be sure to vote. Be sure to vote Obama out of office in November if you want this economy to improve.

Every job of the 80,000 jobs gained in June had 368 workers in line to apply for it, on average.

During Obama's first 3.5 years, the number of working age Americans not working has increased to 78,000,000 from 68,000,000, an increase of 10,000,000.

At this rate of decline, by the end of an 8 year Obama presidency the American workforce will have declined 21,600,000 additional persons from the level Obama inherited from George Bush on January 9, 2008.

How will Republicans fix the economy or jobs? Their policies have been tried and failed. It would be a huge step backwards.

Notice how Republicans leave out the depression in their figures, when this is the next best thing to a depression.

Don't give the reigns back to the party that got us into this financial mess.

Guess the so called job creators aren't doing their job. And by the way if you think there aren't more important things than the latest jobs report then you are really short sighted. Give me someone with intelligence and integrity like President Obama and I will accept that gladly. Romney is an empty suit.

What up Seeking? See you failed to answer the very basic questions posed to you in the #1 thread, but that is to be expected, right?

As for the Obamacare ruling - I said the mandate was unconstitutional, which it is. As for the tax issue - my bad, I believed Obama, who said repeatedly it is not a tax.

WHOOPs.

Oh, and Seeking, on the day of the ruling I was on vacay with the fam. Not sure, but somehow I suspect you are a divorcee.

What a surprise.

Care to respond to this? COme on, it'd be a hoot.

Eric;

"Stick with slow and steady increase, versus Romney's economic plan that blows a 5 trillion dollar hole in our economy."

LMAO, as compared to Obama already blowing 5 trillion? For what?

"Shovel ready jobs"? LMAO!!

Obama = EPIC ECONOMIC FAILURE

Without an abundance of good jobs, the middle class in the United States is going to shrivel up and die. Right now, rampant unemployment is absolutely killing communities all over America. Hopelessness and poverty are exploding and many are now wondering if we are actually witnessing the slow death of the middle class.

There simply are not nearly enough "good jobs" to go around anymore, and even many in the mainstream media are referring to this as a "long-term structural problem" with the economy. The only thing that most working class Americans have to offer in the marketplace is their labor. If nobody will hire them they do not have any other ways to provide for their families. Well, there is a problem.

Today wealth has become incredibly centralized. The big corporations and the big banks dominate everything. Thanks to incredible advances in technology and thanks to the globalization of our economic system, the people with all the money don't have to hire as many ordinary Americans anymore.

They can hire all the labor they want on the other side of the globe for a fraction of the cost. So the rich don't really have that much use for the working class in America anymore. The only thing of value that the working class had to offer has now been tremendously devalued. The wealthy don't have to pay a lot for physical labor anymore.

Thousands of our factories and millions of our jobs have been shipped overseas and they aren't coming back. The big corporations are thriving while tens of millions of ordinary Americans are deeply suffering. Almost all of the wealth being produced by our economy is going to a very centralized group of people at the very top of the food chain. The rich are getting richer and the working class is being systematically wiped out.

“What we lack is a good, strong business climate with lower taxes, fairer regulation. And again, President Obama’s health care plan really is another drag on the economy. Until we get Washington out of the way, this president’s recovery is going to continue to rank dead last.”

Unfortunately, this is the same BS that the right sold us the last time we were in a tough spot. What did that do??? Well, it led to the financial crisis, a massive increase in the gap between rich and poor, and millions of Americans unemployed. We cannot base our economic recovery on the private sector; they are still afraid to invest (or simply won't, maybe for political reasons, but I'll leave you to ponder about that), and will only put money in when they are confident that the recovery is moving forward. That requires massive public spending on major economic stimulants, like infrastructure, education, etc. If we were to spend an extra $200 billion every year (financed by a 5% VAT) for the next five years, we would put roughly $1.59 trillion into the economy over that same period via the multiplier effect, or about $318 billion every year. That would boost GDP by about 2% each year, giving us a great push upward. And, using a a formula created by the Federal Highway administration, that $1 trillion investment could create roughly 21.7 million jobs. Now obviously some of those jobs will be held by the same person, but if we estimate that we will employ half the number of jobs created, we would be well on our way to unemployment reaching 6%.

At this rate of decline, by the end of an 8 year Obama presidency the American workforce will have declined 21,600,000 additional persons from the level Obama inherited from George Bush on January 9, 2008.

Unfortunately, scott, you are basing your numbers on the ridiculous assumption that the status quo will stay the same until the 2016 elections. Recoveries always improve, however gradually. What you fail to deduct from Obama's loss of 10 million was the fact that the recovery did not end when he came to office, but a few months afterwards. And as you know, a few months of recession can cause havoc in an already weakened economy. You also fail to admit that this isn't any normal recession; it is an extremely large one the size of the Great Depression, which took nearly a decade to get out of. You're numbers are correct, but only in the assertion that the status quo will stay the same for the next 4.5 years under an Obama administration (which is debatable).

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Jack i could not have said it better myself. In the end no single President will be able to long term fix our mess. It will have to be a series of bills, acts and new legislation adressing the problems. Good luck America, we've screwed ourselves into this one.

Wal-Mart economy till we're as broke as Greece.

The Healthcare bill may buy us some time. Considering the act overall it will actually create educated middleclass jobs. Mainly in the insurance, medical and processing sectors but its still job creation. Hopefully the people doing the hiring are willing to pay more than $9.50 an hour.

I have to both laugh, and than feel disturbed at anyone that says the Republican's are blocking growth. When you say that, what your actually saying is, I'm a dumba-- that knows absolutely nothing about politics. Except of course what blowhard alarmists like Ed Schultz tell me. If you get your info from him, do a little digging. There has never been a bigger flip flopper in his industry. He started out as a Rush wannabe, and yes, that means he was a republican, until of course he saw more money "defending the middle class". It's a joke that he has influence on the Obama sheep herd.

The other thing that makes me laugh is how the working man defends Obamacare. Newsflash, look at the real numbers. It's a really expensive affordable option, guys.

For the FRAUD saying he's a small business owner talking about the pipeline, LOL.

Its a start and better than anything in place currently. You don't sit down and right a perfect piece of legislation overnight, or even in a couple of years. You write a piece, implement it, tweak it as you go so it fits better, works better and applies to more. This legislation will get revised over the coming years. Its a starting place and a damn good one at that. This is a major bill much like Social Security was when it came out. Legislation is constantly written to adjust S.S bills. Like it or not Healthcare Act is here to stay, in the end 40 years from now everyone will be using it and appreciate the noose Obama danced around to get it started.

I wish people would quit looking for instant perfection in life. It doesnt exist, perfection is achieved through time.

GCooper - you're right, it's a start and a far better one than that proposed by the GOP which is NOTHING. They keep saying they could do a better job yet they have still not come up with anything. For over a decade the GOP has said the US healthcare system is broken and needs to be fixed but until President Obama took a stand they proposed NOTHING. And, today, they still have proposed NOTHING but they scream they can do better. Anyone who believes this group of treasonous old men are fools!

Obama/Biden 2012

Wow-why don't the Democrats admit that Obama plagiarized Nixon's plan? The quick synopsis that I read sure sounds a lot like Obama-care. So much for originality and innovation. Why am I not surprised at Obama, Pelosi and Reid's failures-of which there are plenty.

Romney & ? 2012

Barbara - wow! Why didn't/doesn't the GOP come up with ANYTHING?

The failures of the GOP are too many and too massive to list but you'll go along with them because you don't understand anything!

Obama/Biden 2012

SeekingSanity-do you have a point to make or are you just running off at the mouth? If you DO have a point to make, what, pray tell, is it? I understand all to well the mindset of the powers that be. Fortunately, the powers that be are waning.

Barbara, look at the differences, at what the Democrats were holding out for, then you will understand the mindset of the Democrat.

ps Richard Nixon's "Comprehensive Health Insurance Program" was defeatd by the Democrats (including Ted Kennedy who helped to write it) 38 years ago.

Yet Romney has no plan for the economy or jobs, so he is negotiating the same road without tires.

Sees - it's pretty sure you see nothing but try to turn a good phrase. If the GOP hadn't thrown sharp nails into the mud, we could have navigated pretty darned well. See how easy that is?

Obama/Biden 2012

SeekingSanity, if the GOP hadn't stepped on the brakes, we would of gone over the cliff. Don't know about you, but I know that I am above running with lemmings.

Barbara,

The fact,The train already gone over the cliff,Only Drivers with safe parachutes, the people that left, needs to climb over the steep cliff.

Nobody complains about illegals taking anyone's job numbnuts. If someone with no education and skills in the English language takes your job then you are an idiot of epic humiliating proportions. Maybe you should've tried harder Cheryl.

If you want to complain about taxes look no further than to your Republican counterparts who make us pay billions of dollars per year for our military presence abroad.

Speaking of dropping to the ground in an act of hero-worship, your claim Bush never blamed Clinton for anything doesn't pass the smell test, and you know it.

Then there's Bush's claim that "I inherited a recession" from Bill Clinton. As the data show, it's not true. (He did inherit a 4.2% unemployment rate and budget surpluses.) But after ten years of perpetuation by the right-wing propaganda machine, the long-ago debunked myth has remained remarkably durable. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/09/1005031/-After-Wrongly-Blaming-Clinton-GOP-Blames-Obama-for-Blaming-Bush-on-Economy

Republican counterparts who make us pay billions of dollars per year for our military presence abroad.

Tim - How exactly do the Republicans force the House, the Senate, and the President to pay $ billions?

Tim - How exactly do the Republicans force the House, the Senate, and the President to pay $ billions?

That one is easy - start two wars and push the bulk of the financing to the next administration.

Tim, is that the same military that made sure that we don't speak Japanese, German, Russian, Chinese? Boy, what a waste of money. Those guys should know better than to protect us!

Tim.....You do have to admit that often illegals are willing to work for less. You can be a professional and very good at your job, but you still might lose it if someone is willing to work for half of what you get paid. Illegal immigration is a major reason that the middle class is shrinking. Imagine what 20 million workers willing to work for less than middle class individuals. That keeps wages low.

Cheryl,

There are not journalist at MSDNC. What are you thinking. They are all campaign donors to Obama.

You can be a professional and very good at your job, but you still might lose it if someone is willing to work for half of what you get paid.

What does this have to do with illegal immigration? Are you saying that corporations and business' advertise clerical/manger positions with two sets of pay scales, one for legal residents, and one for illegal residents, then make the hiring decision based upon the residential status of illegal. Talk about a conspiracy theory.

Bush never blamed Clinton? Blame him for what? I guess I will agree, Bush never blamed Clinton for handing him a booming economy and a huge federal surplus, which Bush promptly destroyed.

Ha republicans are pathetic with these deficit issues, remember when your Vice president said "deficits don't matter", why is it that Bush and his republican administration did not use the surplus to fund SS, medicare, or pay off some of the national debt. No it was used as a justification for tax cuts, the federal government was solvent for the first time in decades, so the ability of the government to pay it's bills for a change was used as proof that taxes were too high, and Bush mailed out checks, instead of paying the bills. Please don't tell me how republicans are fiscally responsible, you make yourself look like a damn fool.

Forrest....maybe the fact that we were attacked by terrorist because Clinton did nothing in 8 years to prevent it.

Red.....Maybe not clerical, but all construction, lawn care, manufacturing, etc. take on illegals. Use you mind and think about the issue.

What does being attacked by terrorists have to do with fiscal policy? You think starting two wars without budgeting for it, and simultaneously continuing to cut taxes as expenses increase by trillions are the actions of a party that has any semblance of knowledge or conscience of the fiscal responsibility of a nation. Bush destroyed the economy not Osama bin Laden.

Forrest you simpleton you asked what Bush could have blamed Clinton for. and I gave you an answer.

Forrest....maybe the fact that we were attacked by terrorist because Clinton did nothing in 8 years to prevent it.

Lie #2 from Devdoc for the day. What did I tell ya folks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html

Clearly, the Bush administration ignored the threat, which is supported by Tenet.

Afterward, Tenet looked back on the meeting with Rice as a tremendous lost opportunity to prevent or disrupt the Sept. 11 attacks.

Red.......Hind sight is always 20/20. Bush ignores the threat and you complain, but Bush acts on a threat in Iraq and you also complain. You can't have it both ways. The government gets all sorts of warnings and it is difficult to put all the pieces together. The Clitnon administration made it more difficult for the different agencies to talk together so the threat went unnoticed.

Forrest.....In reality, starting those two wars and not paying for them hasn't really hurt our economy. It may have added a little to the debt, but it didn't hurt the ecnomy. The tax cuts actually helped our economy (look at the numbers from 2002-2007).

Red you call it a lie the facts are that Under Clinton the US interest were attacked multiple times and Clinton did nothing except down size our military and intelligence agencies. Yet people like you are will to blame bush....(go figure)

Osama himself was quoted as saying that after seeing the response from Clinton when American was attacked they saw the US as a "paper tiger"

Forrest Grump,

Good to see you posting today my friend.

Hope all is well with you and Mrs Grump?

The unemployment rate of 8.2% needs to be put in context.

Many experts say this unique recession will take 10 years to grow out of it.

The percentages in different parts of the country is above and below the 8.2%

For instance, in NJ the UER is 9.2%, here in MN it is 5.6%.

Meanwhile ,the President is speaking about the sluggish job numbers and speaking with the folks of Ohio.

Romney is still on vacation.

And the do nothiing Cogresss, they still on vacation until July 9.

Then they are going to gather steam and vote yet again to repeal the Heathcare Law in the House!!

Eric Cantor and the Speaker are really resting on their laurels of passing a two year extension to the transportation bill before they went on vacation. Thats how much the tea party guys care about jobs.

PutAMERICANFIRST,

What threat in Iraq? NO WMD, and nothing to do with sept 11.

2 Trillion dollars added to deficit is adding little? wow you need math class. Tax cuts helped economy, that why banks were falling off and we were losing 700,000 jobs per month in the end.

1. First president to successfully ensure that every American will have medical care without regard to pre-existing conditions. This includes some 20 million children.
2. Raised fuel standards on American cars to nearly double by 2024, going up to 55MPG.
3. Race to the Top education reform promising higher standards.
4. Saved American auto industry.
5. Withdrew all combat troops from Iraq as promised in 2008 campaign.
6. Got a measure of justice for 9/11 killings by killing bin Laden.
7. Improved foreign relations with the rest of the world. I don't know how much you travel overseas, Chuck but the world is a little friendlier since Obama became president..
8. Severely crippled Al Queda's ability to launch attacks against the U.S.
9. Supported the end of the regime in Libya without loss of any U.S. forces.
10. Knows when to use soft power and hard power.
11. Turned around a financial crisis threatening a depression.
12. Recognized the ignorance of austerity during a severe recession; something the GOP and many European governments failed to recognize.
13.Built strongerprograms for military families.
14. Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in military.
15. Supported gay marriage as a recognition of a civil right.
16. Recognition that Bush tax cuts were inappropriate when fighting two unpaid wars..
17. Realizes the enormous income gaps between rich and poor ought to be addressed as a matter of justice/fairness.
18. Opened travel to Cuba for Cuban American families.
19. Supported tighter banking regulations.
20. Countered China's push for hegemony in the Pacific by suppporting countries in the region.
21. Accomplished all of the above(most were campaign promises of 2008) despite a republican leadership stating that his defeat was their priority right from the start of his administration.

This is the record of an administration deserving another four years.

the facts are that Under Clinton the US interest were attacked multiple times and Clinton did nothing except down size our military and intelligence agencies

Lie #3 devdoc -- keep em coming luv.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/clinton-passed-on-killing-bin-laden/

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-09-24/politics/clinton.binladen_1_bin-uss-cole-afghanistan?_s=PM:POLITICS

Graphic display of causes for increases in our debt 2001 – 2012:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBO_Forecast_Changes_for_2009-2012.png

Graph of debt if Regan & Bush had balanced their budgets:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

LOl your a joke Red did you even read those? or just link because you thought they supported you pathetic argument?

Read this one for a change.

http://www.meforum.org/435/usama-bin-ladin-american-soldiers-are-paper-tigers

Red -- Great way to knock em down with facts.

Dennis -- Nice post. They do forget about the veto don't they?

bman.....are you actually trying to say that the reason why banks were failing was because of government debt and tax cuts? Really? You are blaming job losses on tax cuts and government debt? Explain the logic in that. I know that you can cut and paste a list of Obama's accomplishments (sad list for 4 years), but can you think for yourself?

dennis....Not arguing about the debt, although Reagan did have to contend with democrats who wrote all the spending bills. Bush acted very much like a democrat in spending and that is why the republicans lost in 2004 and 2006. We didn't think that there was much difference between the two. Boy were we wrong. Republicans were bad and democrats were even worse.

LOl your a joke Red did you even read those?

devdoc - you made the claim Clinton did NOTHING - and I debunked your false claim. In hindsight, we can spend all day debating whether he did enough - that is a different claim of which I am not spending any time on. In light of the issues in front of now, it is old history.

@NorthstarDFL thank you very much, but the truth be told, Mrs. Grump's mother is dying of cancer and we have been providing 24 hour care for her in her home, it's a tough and sad situation, as many people must know, at some point in the near future she will probably need to be moved into some kind of nursing home or hospice, but for the time being we have in her home where she is the happiest. As far as the economy, I had to scale back my consulting business because I could not in good conscience leave Mrs. Grump to deal with all this alone while I was on the road for weeks at a time, so I got a new job. Now I know I might have had a bit of good luck with my age and all, but the truth is I went to one of those employment listing websites, put in my desired location, and the type of work I do and applied to four different jobs. I was prepared to be at this for months, but I received a phone call within an hour of posting my resume for these jobs and was invited for an interview, two days later I was invited back for another interview with the Plant manager and some supervisors, and was told later that day I had the job. It literally took me more time to make out a resume than to get hired. So it is a little less money than I am used to but it is a union job, and I am 20 minutes from my house and 7 minutes from my mother in laws house, and for the the foreseeable future I will not be taking any consulting work that requires me to travel. My old legs and feet are killing me, and my hands hurt because I lost the calluses I once had from working with the tools, I kind of liked telling other people what to do instead of having to do it myself, but it is good to sleep in my own bed every night, and I really don't care if I ever go through an airport for the rest of my life. Ha I think the young guys where I am working are taking a lottery on "just how old is this new guy". One of them said he thought Tommy Edison was my apprentice, if he wasn't so funny I'd have burned his ass down. Anyway now you know why I have not been posting very much, I have been real busy.

I love to watch the far righters on this site whine about illegals. First, are you stupid enough to think they all came here under President Obama (oh, sorry, you ARE that stupid). You had no problem with the fact that Bush did NOTHING about illegals. NOTHING!

President Obama had more illegals deported than any other President before him. And, have you good little Republicans forgotten the amnesty program Reagan gave to illegals? Oh my! Surprise! His program was much more far reaching and easier than what President Obama has done.

And, let's be clear. Illegals are NOT taking high tech jobs; professional jobs; etc. The companies who hire those professionals DEMAND proof you are a citizen - that you have a social security number - that you pay taxes. What you are stating are bare-faced lies or just stupidity or both. The jobs illegals do are the ones most of you wouldn't do; picking produce; lawn work; putting the elevator in Romney's house (oh yes, there were illegals); farm hands for Bush (yep! he's always had them); not high tech or professional jobs. Get real!

Obama/Biden 2012

The only President that ever granted millions of illegals unconditional amnesty was Ronald Reagen.

Forrest - I'm so sorry to hear about your wife's mother. It is so difficult to go through what you are having to go through. I lost Mom 2 years ago tomorrow and I know those last months are hard.

You're a good man to change jobs to be with your wife. I'm glad your had the good fortune to find something quickly. Hope it gets easier for you.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Forrest - glad to see you back on board, even if it is only on weekends. Good luck to your family!! Agree with you 100% on airports - who would have ever thought a prostate exam was better than what is now - horrific air travel.

Dear Forrest, it is indeed a sad situation. I just went through the same with my brother. He had to be put in a hospice and passed away shortly thereafter, but as I've told others here privately, he is in a better place now. It's just so sad when there isn't much we can do except be there for them. We may not think it's enough, but to the sick family member, it's really all that matters.

My thoughts are with you Forrest and I'm so happy that you found a job so quickly.

Thank you very much SeekingSanity, I'm very sorry for the loss of your mother, yes it is tough, but what are you going to do, we all have to go through it. I guess I was lucky to find something so quick, and close to home, that pays well. I tried to do the right thing and be here to help, but it is a double edged sword. I know my wife appreciates what I have done, but at the same time I can tell she feels bad when I now come home all dirty, sweaty, and aching. I tell her it is good for me you, I said you know those damn doctors keep bitching at me to get my exercise, so now I am getting my exercise. I told my oldest son that if I ever get to the point where I can't take care of myself, that he needs to do me and everybody else a big favor and smother me with a pillow. He said geezus Pop I can't do that, I can't believe you even said that to me, I could never do that, then after a heartbreaking little pause he says you know how far back in the line I am of the people that want to that for you Pop! Ha, he is a funny little sh!tass. I thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

Forrest,

Prayers go out to your mother in law, wife and you.

Caring for a family member with a terminal illness is bittersweet. Glad you can keep her in her home with all your care. Home hopsice is a wonderful resource for her and your family if you need it now.

Glad you have a new job, you can teach the young guys a thing or two. And sleeping in one's own bed at night is indeed one of the simple pleasure in life.

Thank you RedDevPS, thank you Pat, you know it's is strange but I think the fact that I was not actually unemployed helped, I just have the feeling that if your have a job they are more willing to give you a job, than if you are unemployed, even if you are just out of college, or unemployed through no fault of your own. I have no proof of that, but I was amazed of the number of applicants, and how fast I was hired, so I wonder if that has an effect. I will tell you one thing I have not made out a resume in 25 years, so I had to learn how to make a "modern" resume, I learned that nothing is bad on your resume, no matter what. Those resume writing websites are the biggest spin doctors of them all, if you told them you were busted for cooking methamphetamine they would tell you that goes on your resume as a minor in chemistry and worked as a chef!

it's is strange but I think the fact that I was not actually unemployed helped, I just have the feeling that if your have a job they are more willing to give you a job,

Not strange at all - when I was one of those manager types, the applicants with a break in work history were removed form the 'list'. The only time that ever changed is when unemployment was so low we couldn't get applicants. I never agreed with the practice - but I also wasn't willing to spend political capital to buck the system. As they say in management, you pick and choose your battles, and you only pick the ones you can win.

Forrest - I'm keeping you & Mrs. Grump in my thoughts...

I've been there & done that with my own mother - I'm sure you're both cherishing what time you have left with her.

Mrs. Grump is a lucky woman to have you by her side while going through this difficult time!

Thank you Fiesty, ha I will tell Mrs. Grump she is lucky to have me! She needs a good laugh.

Actually everybody is pitching in, our kids have been a big help, especially making sure somebody is there overnight during the weekdays. My mother in law will be surprised tomorrow night, we are picking up one of her childhood friends from the airport who is coming from Florida to spend a few days, then two other ladies that were part of their little group will join them, my mother in law will surely like that. These ladies have talked to each other on the phone for the last forty years or so and have always talked about getting together and meeting somewhere sometime, so my wife called them up and said now is the time and her house is the place. So next week the place will be like an old age home for ex-bobby soxers I guess. Maybe they will get into a fight over who dated who's husband before they got married or something fun like that. I'd love to see the Golden Girls throw down on each other. Ha still think Mrs. Grump is lucky?

Ha still think Mrs. Grump is lucky?

Well now... I would say if you are married to Blanche - YOU are a very lucky man! ;o)

Good to see all of the family stress hasn't dampened your wicked sense of humor!

Forrest, good to see you here. I've thought about you the other day and hoped you were doing ok.

Congratulations on getting the job so close to home, you are an amazing man...now don't go getting all coy, you really are. I'm sure Mrs Grump appreciates all your efforts and the help the kidlets give too. What a lovely time your mother in law will have with her friends and yet bittersweet. There is no place like home when so ill, it makes that part of the journey a little easier and peaceful.

Best wishes to all of you, may you have many blessings in the time ahead.

Thank you Gingerbread Mama, you are too kind. I had some very good luck, they were looking to hire one person and I got the job. I just started looking on a jobs web page, saw the address and what they were hiring for, I posted my resume and application and botta boom botta bing I was hired. It all happened so fast I had to bail out of an upcoming consulting contract that was scheduled for the last week of July, I explained the situation to that customer and they were gracious enough to release me with no penalty. I don't know how much longer my mother in law will be able to stay at home but for right now I guess it is best, the doctors said there is really nothing they can do except manage her pain and she does not have to be in a hospital for that just yet.

Fiesty my sense of humor which ranges from just damn silly to wicked and dark, is what helps to get me through the stress, I guess people sometimes just think I am an ass, but people that know me understand I mean no harm, it is my way of coping with some of the absurdities of life. My mom got my sense of humor, I could always make her laugh, my dad would say keep it up smart ass and someday you will be the funniest bum in the park, then when I got older I realized I had gotten a sense of humor from my dad as well because even when he was mad as hell and chewing your ass it was kind of funny.

PS I had a re-check last weeks from my cancer doctor after what was hopefully the last of my treatments and my cytology (I'm not sure I spelled that right) came back negative so that is another lucky break for me, I appreciate all the well wishes and prayers from my FR friends. Wow it is really late, goodnight folks.

Good morning Forrest. Amongst some very trying times in your family, some very happy news to celebrate. Congratulations on winning the battle! Stay strong friend and carry on. May your Mother in law find comfort and peace surrounded by such love, Best to you and your family.

Thank You Don't Carry it all.

RedDev- IF you remember correctly, Bush did inherit a falling but admittedly, still sound economy. Clinton signed off everything at the end of his Presidency, and it had a negative effect on the economy. Bush could have prevented some of the fallout by not signing off everything in his first term, but the wheels were set in motion before he took office. It is an old argument that Bush is the sole reason for the recession. Especially when you look post 06 when the Dems took over the house and senate.

As for him not blaming Clinton, sure, I remember him saying he inherited an economy that wasn't as good as many Clinton bots claimed it was when he left office, but the difference between him and Obama is, Bush didn't spend every minute of every day blaming Clinton for the economy, which is how it feels with Obama now. It's feels like he's using an advertising trick by using repetitiveness to create a truth, or a mindset.

I thought Gingrich and Cain bowed out of the presidential race.

Its progress forward. It may not be gigantic leaps with miracle legislation and unicorns jumping over rainbows, but its FORWARD movement.

The economy around here is getting better. Houses are finally starting to be built this summer, people i talk with are returning to work. Wish it was more but we'll keep working at it and see what next year brings.

So adding only 84,000 jobs means we are 256,000 jobs short of where we should be plus we need another 360000 jobs per moth totaling 616,000 jobs just to stay afloat

Which begs the question to the GOP/TP - where are the jobs you promised in 2010?

RDPS, I'm pretty sure their lost in Obamacare, or were spent on one of the Obama's monthly vacations.

Frank - we'd much rather say goodbye Frank Gruden! Bye!

Gee, you're really witty!

Frank - it's heads above your post!

"The private sector is doing fine"

"We're on the right track"

More mumbo jumbo gibber jabber from the Obama Smoke and Mirrors Tour 2012.

What blame, exactly, is Obama taking?

Do you call saying this jobs report was a sign we are heading the the right direction taking blame?

Or referencing the situation he inherited- three and a half years ago- taking blame?

How about some of his past pronouncements-

Iarport kiosks, ATMs, and the Internet are responsible for poor job growth;

The Arab Spring is responsible;

The Japanese tsunami;

The sun got in his eyes, he tripped over a rock, the throw was bad. . .

Come on, Pat. Obama does not take responsibility for tripping over his own shoe laces, let alone the failures of his policies. That's a sign not just of incompetence, but of immaturity.

It's also a guarantee he'll never succeed. You cannot learn from mistakes you do not admit you've made.

President Obama is front and center as he speaks about the economy. He is traveling around the country, speaking to Americans face to face. He is doing interviews. He is there, every single day.

Exactly.....That is all Obama ever does is talk. It is about time he offers something to help repair the economy. So far, he has yet to offer any solutions. Sure he has his jobs bills.....in name only. It takes more to fix the economy than to pass 1,000 pages of junk and call it a jobs bill.

Pat, quit drinking and thinking the Kool-Aid. The Dems had Congress in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. in 2008 and 2009, they had all 3 segments. Oblama and the Dems (by their own admission) own this economy, and they continue to screw it up.

hey no joe, where's your foul mouthed governor today?

Eating more ice cream while he screams bloody murder when asked a simple question? Is that how you define accountability?

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Where are Boehner and McConnell and Karl Rove and Norquist, the guys who want the economy to fail and are doing everything possible to see that it does?

Here's what Christie is up to.

Crooks & Liars:

While states face tough decisions in cutting crucial services, some right-wing governors are slashing vital services for more vulnerable constituents while protecting the wealthy ones. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) called for "layoffs of 1,300 state workers, closings of state psychiatric institutions, an $820 million cut in aid to public schools" and a sharp cut in New Jersey Transit. Christie defends the cuts on the middle class, the poor, and schoolchildren as "shared sacrifice and fairness." However, when the state legislature asked for such a "sacrifice" via a tax on residents making over $1 million, Christie vetoed the legislation as an "irresponsible" mistake "of raising taxes on the highest taxed people in the nation." While the tax would've raised $635 million to fund public services for senior citizens and the disabled, his override will "increase taxes on seniors while cutting them for the wealthy." He is also backing a cap on property taxes that would force the state to further slash vital services.

@Pat - no matter how the right tries to spin it, at the end of Bush's term, we were losing 400-700,000 jobs monthly, numbers that carried over into the 1st quarter of Obama's term. Obama stopped the hemorrhage of job losses, and turned that into monthly jobs gains.

And the right-wing's other problem is stimulus - they know it works. For the baby sized recession (it is surprising it even qualifies as a recession) that occurred under Bush's watch in 2001, they gave him an astronomical $1.2T (that is T as in trillion). But when it came mopping up the Bush mess, which was easily 10 times worse, they would only approve $800B. Why the lesser amount? That is easy - from day one, it was to make Obama fail.

Pat....What makes you think that the republicans want the economy to fail? I know you are upset at Christie as well, but have to hope that eventually democrats will understand the definition of "budget". It isn't spend all you can and screw the next generation.

Rev......Yes at the end of Bush's term we were losing 400-700K a month. That was also 2 years of demcorats writing legislation for the country. That doesn't change no matter how you spin it. On top of that passing a stimulus doesn't work. It just creates bigger problems. If I hire people to resurface roads with stimulus money, then what happens when the money runs out and the job is over? They lose it and we need another stimulus. They never work long term. Obama has had $2.4 trillion in stimulus (he called it stimulus in the first year and just spent the $800 billion in each of the next 2 years as well so don't be fooled by accounting gimmicks). You are also understating the recession caused by the tech bubble crash and 9-11. That cause almost as much money lost from 401K's as this past recession. It wasn't close to this current problem, but it was far worse than most recessions we faced since WWII. Obama has failed because his policies have failed. He has eventually gotten everything he wanted.

NJNB -- Once again you show very little understanding of our economy. We will be de-leveraging for at least another 5-7 years. That puts a damper on demand. Stagnant wages puts a damper on demand. Having 40% of the average American's wealth disappear puts a damper on demand. Only someone ignorant would deny that the euro crisis or the tsunami or the current global slowdown has nothing to do with our economy.

PutAmericaFirst, democrats have to understand "budget"? Are you kidding me?

The GWB Administration paid for nothing and left President Obama with the tab. He's not the irresponsible one. And who is left with the tab? The working and middle class, that is if the GOP have their way. If Norquist has his way.

How the hell do you, as a Congress representative, make a promise to Norquist? How is that possible?

McConnell from day 1 - make Obama a one term president. That was his one and only promise. No where did he say we had to turn the economy around and help Americans.

And now the GOP is hot on voter suppression. Geting rid of health care. Yes to lower stimulus money. Buying the presidency.

They are despicable. They are literally selling out our democracy.

Uh, Pat? I take it from your response that you really cannot find a single instance of Obama taking blame for anything. S'okay. You went out on a limb, and it broke.

Turning to Christie, however, is lame. He's quite popular in the state, will win re election handily, and has the good sense to pull out the veto pen when necessary.

He also takes responsibility for things- unlike some other politicians. May be why he's so popular.

Two....As bad as Bush and the republicans were, Obama and the democrats were far, far worse. Obama is just passing a much larger tab on to the next generation. You are right that the middle class will have to pick up the tab. That is why I don't understand why you support Obama.

Of course the republicans set out to make Obama a one term president. Why is that a shock to you? Democrats set out to make Bush a one term president in 2001. The goal of the republican party has been and will be to try to grow the economy and prevent Obama from further damaging the economy. They have been moderately successful at preventing him from further damaging the country. The voter suppression thing is just another piece of propaganda that you have bought into. I wonder when you will get tired of believing the lies of others. How is removing people that are not eligible to vote from the voter roles "suppression"? Sounds to me that democrats want to make people's votes worthless by fighting against cleaning up elections.

They did far worse than that, PutAmericaFirst, they have undermined our economy at every turn. They are conniving obstructionists, refusing to pass any bills that would help the economy get back on track. That's unAmerican.

AmericaFirst: You don't ever, during a crisis, decide to sit back and do nothing but wait until the four years is up. Cantor, Boehner, McConnell - they have no business collecting paychecks. They are the true freeloaders in this country.

Pat.....I agree that you don't sit and do nothing, but it is obvious that the democrats refuse to go along with anything that the republicans want to create jobs (Keystone pipeline, tax reform, etc.) What can they do? About the only thing they are able to do is to prevent Obama from doing further damage with bills like the (Un)Affordable Care Act.

Don't carry.....Just how have they undermined the economy? Give an example of something that they blocked that would have been beneficial to our country long term?

On top of that passing a stimulus doesn't work. It just creates bigger problems.

AmericaFirst - I guess we should believe your 'theory' vs. analysis by experts? No thanks, I'll take it from the experts - the experts supported by both the GOP and Democrats.

Around the same time, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) held a hearing in which he invited Kevin Hassett, a conservative economist based at the American Enterprise Institute, to make the case for a fiscal stimulus. “The economists who studied this were quite surprised to find that fiscal policy in recessions was reasonably effective,” Hassett testified. “It is just that folks tried a first punch that was too light and that generally we didn’t get big measures until well into the recession.”

Ryan was delighted by his answer. “That is precisely my point,” he replied.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/why-did-the-gop-turn-against-stimulus-ask-a-psychologist/2011/08/25/gIQADugV6J_blog.html?wprss=ezra-klein

PutAmericaFirst -- The glaring example would be the debt ceiling debacle orchestrated by a very far right group willing to see our economy crushed in order to take control.

1. First president to successfully ensure that every American will have medical care without regard to pre-existing conditions. This includes some 20 million children.
2. Raised fuel standards on American cars to nearly double by 2024, going up to 55MPG.
3. Race to the Top education reform promising higher standards.
4. Saved American auto industry.
5. Withdrew all combat troops from Iraq as promised in 2008 campaign.
6. Got a measure of justice for 9/11 killings by killing bin Laden.
7. Improved foreign relations with the rest of the world. I don't know how much you travel overseas, Chuck but the world is a little friendlier since Obama became president..
8. Severely crippled Al Queda's ability to launch attacks against the U.S.
9. Supported the end of the regime in Libya without loss of any U.S. forces.
10. Knows when to use soft power and hard power.
11. Turned around a financial crisis threatening a depression.
12. Recognized the ignorance of austerity during a severe recession; something the GOP and many European governments failed to recognize.
13.Built strongerprograms for military families.
14. Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in military.
15. Supported gay marriage as a recognition of a civil right.
16. Recognition that Bush tax cuts were inappropriate when fighting two unpaid wars..
17. Realizes the enormous income gaps between rich and poor ought to be addressed as a matter of justice/fairness.
18. Opened travel to Cuba for Cuban American families.
19. Supported tighter banking regulations.
20. Countered China's push for hegemony in the Pacific by suppporting countries in the region.
21. Accomplished all of the above(most were campaign promises of 2008) despite a republican leadership stating that his defeat was their priority right from the start of his administration.

This is the record of an administration deserving another four years.

You mean that example where Harry Ried and Bohner supposedly had worked out a compromise and Obama shot it down and then refused to negotiate with republicans? Maybe if Obama actually cared about the future of the country he would have been able to get a deal done. Instead he orchestrates the drop in credit rating.

Don't_Ask.....no joe is doing what she usually does. She spouts words - not facts. She never has anything to back them up and repeats the same lies over and over again.

PutAmericaFirst - I see lying is apparently your style. The credit agency that downgraded our credit stated clearly we received the downgrade specifically because the GOP refused to work with the President and the believed it would have a negative effect on the country. The GOP caused the downgrade but the truth doesn't fit your agenda so you lie. You're a good little Republican aren't you?

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Seeking......It is an outright lie to say that they downgraded the country because of the republicans. I know that is what you have been told by your masters, but it isn't the truth. Both parties caused the downgrade by refusing to work together and the president was right there refusing to work with the republicans. It take two to have gridlock. Open your eyes.

PutAmericaFirst -liar. That is exactly what was stated. We received a downgrade because Congress would NOT work with the President and the group blocking everything was the GOP. You are nothing but a liar who will repeat your lies in hopes some idiot will believe them.

No doubt your eyes are wide open and you just choose to be a damned liar! Typical Republican!

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Seeking San,

The current POTUS is in way over his head with regard to the economy. He promised he would fix it and continues to run us into the toilet. He just doesn't get it nor does he take accountablility for his mistakes (Bushes fault, GOP fault, Europes fault, blah, blah, blah). Maybe he should take a break from bashing those very people and company's that create and/or keep jobs. Instead, he has chosen to villify them as if he knows best. What a joke. The numbers are the numbers and he has no clue how to fix it (essentially he declares this every time he blames somebody else). Time for the adults to take over and fix the damage. No more time for someone who clearly is uncomfortable with accountability. Such a shame we have the dishonesty and lack of integrity residing in the Oval Office. The experiment is over. Time to move forward with real solutions.

PS: He flat out lied to the American people as to the ObamaCare mandate. Looked us in the eye and lied....embarrasing.

Now please put away the talking points; you're better than that.

"if I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."
-Barack Obama

Zygoma - Obama is an extraordinarily skilled speaker. He can be personally charming. He is a superb salesman. Many very intelligent voters were completely convinced his by his grandiose statements, delivered with absolute certainty. (Give me a trillion dollars to spend, and unemployment will never rise above 8%. I will close Gitmo in one year! I will cut the deficit in half by end of my first term. Etc, etc, etc.)

There is no shame in admitting that we were fooled by someone so skillful. We have an unfortunate human tendency, though, to identify with the decisions we have made and defend them as if we were defending our own worth. This is especially true when we have a “support group” of others who are also finding every possible excuse for the same decisions.

When you find yourself repeating excuses that are objectively irrational (Obama has been stripped of his power by a recalcitrant congress), it is time to shake yourself, back away a little, and reevaluate your position.

Blind loyalty to a losing sports team is endearing; blind loyalty to a failed leader is dangerous.

Zygoma, Oblama is a con-artist. He fooled most of the voting public in 2008. Don't think it is going to happen again.

Right President Obama is the con artist?

Meanwhile the 1% who couldn't be asked to pony us a small amount to put Americans back to work and improve our economy, have hundreds of millions of dollars to spend to convince you to vote for the republicans that have promised them forever tax cuts.

The big con, is let's return to the very same policies that broke our country last time and it will be easy because the more hate than brains republicans have been hjacked.

American....please get educated about the issues instead of hating on the 1%. They give plenty to get this country going.....the problem is that too much of it is going to the government which creates a drag on the economy. The 1% sees that so they are starting to invest elsewhere. Have good policies in the US and you would get job growth here. Instead people like Obama push policies that continue to send money and jobs overseas and hurts the middle class.

Have good policies in the US and you would get job growth here.

Good policy would be to heavily penalize companies that ship jobs overseas, and favor business that create jobs locally. The GOP/TP will never let that happen, so lay that blame where it belongs - on the GOP/TP.

First - what is the small amount to which you refer? are you a member of the 1%?

Red.....That wouldn't solve anything. There is no way to implement that without losing even more jobs. We need GE far more than GE needs us. What would happen if GE moved the corporation overseas? What could we do then? Right now there are incentives for companies to go overseas and penalties if they want to bring that money back. The republicans want to fix that problem, but Obama refuses.

We need GE far more than GE needs us.

That is the crux of the difference between conservatives and progressives, and that is where the right are the automatic losers because it makes them beholden to corporations. GE needs us more than we need them .. we are the consumers. Without consumers, GE is nothing, nada, zilch, has no purpose. If GE wants to close American plants and move offshore, fine, so be it .. and charge them massive tariffs for the privilege of selling their foreign made products in the US.

Put Americans first:

wow: We need GE far more then GE needs us.

What is biggest consumer base for GE: US, if GE should leave US, other company like Magtag will take over that base and expend. HMM free market economy hello. But if we allow GE to think that they are more important to US then US more important then GE, they will lower wages or outsource them and they will run amok how they see fit. That takes common sense to understand that.

1. First president to successfully ensure that every American will have medical care without regard to pre-existing conditions. This includes some 20 million children.
2. Raised fuel standards on American cars to nearly double by 2024, going up to 55MPG.
3. Race to the Top education reform promising higher standards.
4. Saved American auto industry.
5. Withdrew all combat troops from Iraq as promised in 2008 campaign.
6. Got a measure of justice for 9/11 killings by killing bin Laden.
7. Improved foreign relations with the rest of the world. I don't know how much you travel overseas, Chuck but the world is a little friendlier since Obama became president..
8. Severely crippled Al Queda's ability to launch attacks against the U.S.
9. Supported the end of the regime in Libya without loss of any U.S. forces.
10. Knows when to use soft power and hard power.
11. Turned around a financial crisis threatening a depression.
12. Recognized the ignorance of austerity during a severe recession; something the GOP and many European governments failed to recognize.
13.Built strongerprograms for military families.
14. Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in military.
15. Supported gay marriage as a recognition of a civil right.
16. Recognition that Bush tax cuts were inappropriate when fighting two unpaid wars..
17. Realizes the enormous income gaps between rich and poor ought to be addressed as a matter of justice/fairness.
18. Opened travel to Cuba for Cuban American families.
19. Supported tighter banking regulations.
20. Countered China's push for hegemony in the Pacific by suppporting countries in the region.
21. Accomplished all of the above(most were campaign promises of 2008) despite a republican leadership stating that his defeat was their priority right from the start of his administration.

This is the record of an administration deserving another four years.

Red....and that is why democrat policies continually hurt the middle class. You don't understand the symbiotic relationship we have with corporation so you continue to send jobs overseas which hurts the little guy. Without consumers GE is hurt, but most of GE's consumers don't reside in the US. We are only a small fraction. They make far more selling overseas than they do to the US. And your solution? Charge them massive tariffs. What does that do? It doesn't hurt GE, they are still making their billions. It hurts the us consumer because we now have to pay even more money for GE products (consumers pay tariffs, not companies). So now on top of losing jobs, you have added a lower of standard of living to the struggling US worker because now they have to pay more to buy goods and services. Democrat solutions tend to make the problem worse instead of fixing it.

PUTAMERICAFIRST,

Wrong, Biggest consumers of GE products are US. and if it wasn't, then other company will take over that consumer base, you think people don't need to buy appliances or bulbs? Plus GE don't make anything in US anymore. Everything comes from china or overseas. I was shopping for appliances in October, because I bought house and all appliances from GE were made in Korea. I bought from Maytag, because at least they assemble them in US. We need tariffs or fair trading polices where if we export our products would be on same equal footing as their products and if our company decide to go overseas to save money on labor then they need to be hit with tariffs. But give incentives for american companies to stay here by giving them tax cuts. That in President Obama jobs bill. You have no merit at all.

BMAn.....So your solution is to limit the choice of consumers. Lets say that Maytag wants in on the global market instead of just the US. Now what happens? Where would they choose? 7 billion or 300 million. You have to face the facts that we are in a global economy and nothing we do will change that. Until the US consumer is willing to pay a little more for US goods, corporations are going to find the cheapest way to create those goods.

Let's say they have equal footing like Thailand. Wouldn't they still move their to save on costs? One thing you need to remember is that all that cost savings is passed on to the US consumer. It doesn't go to their bottom line. Profit margins are a little less today than they were in the 60's.

Bman....I guess the difference is that you seem to think that corporations are doing this to screw the worker and the consumer. I see them going overseas as rational business decisions. The problem with tariffs is that the US consumer is the one paying for them. It might protect jobs, but it does so at a cost. Since tariffs increase the costs of goods and services it effectively lowers the wages of a person. That in turn lowers demand, which causes the economy to shrink even further and more jobs to be lost because the US consumer can't afford as much. There is not easy solution, but penalizing corporations isn't the answer.

bman - GE is actually building 4 new micro centers in the US and bringing back at least 50% of their manufacturing to the US. Labor costs are going up in China and quality down. Some of those jobs are already back and the ones for those 4 micro centers will be back by the end of 2014.

PutAmericaFirst - your lack of knowledge is overwhelming and your eagerness to show that lack of knowledge is amazing!

Obama/Biden 2012

Show me where I am wrong? Or do you have empty words?

putamericafirst

what point, we telling facts, but you wouldn't believe it

PutAmericaFirst - you've been wrong with your comments about GE since you seem to be unaware they are bringing back much of their manufacturing to the US. You don't have a clue.

President Obama proposed a tax break for companies that would bring jobs back to the US. The GOP in Congress blocked that - something they had been in favor of before he got behind it. Can we say treasonous?

Ten major companies are bringing a portion of their manufacturing back to the US. How do you not know that? Or is it that you just don't want to acknowledge it?

Obama hasn't refused - the GOP has which makes you a damned liar and nothing more.

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Seeking.......I was using GE as an example about economic theory. I could have substituted any companies name that makes a lot of profit outside the US.

President Obama proposed tax breaks for companies that would bring jobs back, but still keeps the 35% penalty to bring money back in force. The end result would be very few if any jobs coming back because of the "tax breaks". It is just window dressing, like most of Obama's economic plans. They are more like used car gimmicks than actual reasons to bring jobs back.

Yes, there are companies bringing jobs back to the US. The major reason is the weakening of the dollar which has made US made goods more affordable overseas. A weakened dollar destroys our buying power so that isn't necessarily a good thing. Sorry, but the GOP doesn't want to settle with a portion coming back to the US. We want much more than that. We want prosperity for all.

PutAmericaFirst - then you SHOULD have used one NOT bringing jobs back to America. It just shows you don't know or don't care what you post.

The rest of your post is a lie - plain and simple.

And, one of the major reasons jobs are coming back - actually two - is the increase in labor costs overseas and the decrease in the quality. You really need to learn what you're talking about before you post your nonsense. But, you're a good Republican posting the party lies and deceit!

Obama/Biden 2012

The problem is not lack of job openings; it's lack of educated people to take the jobs that are available. Why should our young people bother to get an education, when Uncle Sugar will just give them a handout for everything. The jobs that are out there are not day labor jobs; they are jobs that require a technical education for the computer and e-industries. Too many of our young do not want to put out the effort to get the education required because they know the government will take care of them. What has happened to our world when we depend on the government instead of hard work to take care of us?

Yes Bob you're correct on some points.

The vast majority of jobs available are technical, robotic mechanical or highly educated medical.

In the manufacturing industry 40 years ago if you needed a job you showed up with a lunch box and went to work. Today robotics have taken the place of people. Companies are no longer willing to train you and invest in you long term. They want highly skilled and trained people to come show up and replace the retiring workforce. All the while for an average pay at best. Just under what one could consider a middle class wage. These companies employ less people, pay those people less, offer less benefits now than even 10 years ago and expect more of you while consistently breaking record profits.

Do you remember that old adage?

Experience: Its takes some to get some, catch 22.

No longer can you pick up enough jobs to catch a little experience to move up the food chain. Now you're all but REQUIRED to show up with a specialized 2 year degree at the least costing you tens of thousands of dollars in education. Don't even get me started on the cost of education either in this country. Its a shame.

Did you know in most other civilized countries students who graduate high school have the educational equivalency of an American citizen who pursued and paid for 2 additional years of schooling?

Yea i said it. Japan for instance, their high school students are more prepared to negotiate high education jobs because their public school extends years past ours. To get the equivalent education in America you need an AA degree.

I work around computer automated machinery, i was lucky enough to be trained on it as it came out into the workforce. I didnt have to pay for 2 years of school because the company i was with understood employees had to grow with the times. Those times are over. If you're 20 years old now and looking for a job good luck.

Bob in KC - how terribly sad that you only know ignorant, lazy young people. The young people I know would no more live off Uncle Sam than I would. They are well educated and hard working. Most have found jobs since graduating college although not at quite the salaries they were hoping.

The GOP mantra of people living off the government is just one more lie. No one with integrity (the vast majority of US citizens) wants to live off the government. That is a Republican myth they keep fostering because it for some sad and stupid reason makes them feel good. Pathetic really!

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hmm

A bank collapse that the republicans want to kill any new regulations that keep them from robbing us proper again.

I don't know about you, but the rest of us people living on the earth need clean water to drink and clean air to breathe. The Koch brothers are spending millions and millions to get rid of regulations that keep them from polluting our earth. Think they care for the people or our planet or just for their pocketbooks?

These same billionaires have no money to spend to get Americans back working, but have hundreds of millions to spend to convince you to vote against your own well being and tax cuts for themselves.

Only a dunderhead would believe the BS coming out of the mouths of the billionaires.

Frist -- All billionaires? Or just the ones with whom you disagree?

Buffet is a billionaire that presumably wants to pay more taxes at the same time he is spending millons of share holder value fighting the IRS. Maybe that is the BS to which you refer?

1. First president to successfully ensure that every American will have medical care without regard to pre-existing conditions. This includes some 20 million children.
2. Raised fuel standards on American cars to nearly double by 2024, going up to 55MPG.
3. Race to the Top education reform promising higher standards.
4. Saved American auto industry.
5. Withdrew all combat troops from Iraq as promised in 2008 campaign.
6. Got a measure of justice for 9/11 killings by killing bin Laden.
7. Improved foreign relations with the rest of the world. I don't know how much you travel overseas, Chuck but the world is a little friendlier since Obama became president..
8. Severely crippled Al Queda's ability to launch attacks against the U.S.
9. Supported the end of the regime in Libya without loss of any U.S. forces.
10. Knows when to use soft power and hard power.
11. Turned around a financial crisis threatening a depression.
12. Recognized the ignorance of austerity during a severe recession; something the GOP and many European governments failed to recognize.
13.Built strongerprograms for military families.
14. Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in military.
15. Supported gay marriage as a recognition of a civil right.
16. Recognition that Bush tax cuts were inappropriate when fighting two unpaid wars..
17. Realizes the enormous income gaps between rich and poor ought to be addressed as a matter of justice/fairness.
18. Opened travel to Cuba for Cuban American families.
19. Supported tighter banking regulations.
20. Countered China's push for hegemony in the Pacific by suppporting countries in the region.
21. Accomplished all of the above(most were campaign promises of 2008) despite a republican leadership stating that his defeat was their priority right from the start of his administration.

This is the record of an administration deserving another four years.

billybob

read his response and don't manipulate it. when he said billionaires he was talking about Koch brothers, unless you can't read, then I am sorry

bman80 --- great post, but we all know the GOPteanutcases still say Obama is a failure! It hilarious! Their nominee, wooden head Rompey, hasn't give us a plan to help our country. All Mittens says is "I know how to create jobs and get this country working again". Really, how?? Specifically???? He has no clue until his cronies tell him. I think any increase in jobs is great compared to when we were losing jobs by the hundreds of thousands under duh Bush. Keep on Obama... we've got your back, while the GOPteanutcases try to tear you down. You've accomplished more in 3 1/2 years that duh Bush did in 8 years. Oh, wait!!! Bush did accomplish something... tax breaks for the very rich, oil corporations, and he gave us a great recession. LOL

As if the Ryan budget that the republicans voted for and Romney thinks is marvelous is not the very same plan that countries in Europe followed and are now in a double-dipped recessions.

The last thing the republicans want you to know is that the stimulus worked only it was half as big as it needed to be because our economy was twice as bad off as we originally thought.

But in their stupidity the republicans are still pushing for another recession in America and edwardo is going to vote to help them do it.

As if Occupy anything is American! what BS and hypocrisy go back to some marxist country and live there, your all idiots, and I love the Statue of Liberty , talk about plagiarism, and an oxymoron, yur all morons.

Buffalo,

He is talking about countries like Great Britain, Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, They are not socialist or communist countries(by the way, you wouldn't know what is it even if it was next to you). If you going to attack the policies that fine, show your point, name calling shows how ignorant and uneducated you are.

buffalo - the only moron posting here appears to be you and you advertise it so well!

Kannin,

Well said. It really is as simple as that.

SIMPLE is the right word for that BS post. More GOPteanutbag empty rhetoric. Get back to Faux News for an update.

LPF - Let's see ... insulting, check ... obscene, check ... "clever" misspellings, check ... totally devoid of information content, check! You must be a Democrat.

Kannin,

VERY well said this time. The facts are the facts with regard to our current POTUS handling of the economy. Time for a change...bring in the adults.

Very well said, and the bus Obama is using was built in Canada, he would not be caught dead in an AMERICAN tour bus, and AMERICANS need to vote this Socialist out in a very very FAST & FURIOUS WAY come November.

Private sector is doing great?

The private sector IS doing great. Corporate profits and CEO pay has hit all time historical highs.

Red....The private sector is doing great......outside of the US. Nearly all those record profits you are talking about are happening elsewhere. A majority of profit increases for GE, John Deere, Johnson and Johnson, etc. are happening overseas.

RedDev - what good are those profits if at-risk capital is not injected into the economy because Obama wants to tax more, regualte more, and control more of the private sector?

And to your point profits are at record all-time levels everywhere as you infer - cite your source moron and be specific to industry.

Harvey Weinstein mentioned last night on Rachel's program that Adelson, the money handler for Mitt, was almost bankrupt until President Obama was elected. Now he's just hoping for a war with Iran.

Meanwhile, the Russian leaders aren't too happy with Romney. They fear another neocon administration, and that wouldn't be good for anybody.

@Pat Boston MA. - Meanwhile, the Russian leaders aren't too happy with Romney.

No Pat, it's not that the Russians are unhappy with Romney. Rather, they support Obama and badly want him to win a second term so that he can keep his promise to them.

In a conversation with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on March 26^th, Obama admitted that he was planning to bow to some Russian demand, but that he would have to wait until after the election to do it. He clearly believes that if we were to find out about his promise, we would not re-elect him. That's good enough for me! If Obama himself believes that his plan will anger the American people, just to please the Russians, then we need to prevent him from executing that plan.

because Obama wants to tax more, regualte more, and control more of the private sector?

Follow you own advice

cite your source moron

No Kannin, the Russian leaders heard what Romney had to say about them and they weren't pleased. At all. That was the reason for speaking out. The only reason.

They truly worry about today's Republican Party here in America after what the neocons did in the past.

OK Pat, then here is the word-for-word exchange. What is your explanation for it?

Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space.

Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you...

Obama: This is my last election…After my election I have more flexibility.

Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

Kannin, the Russian leadership were speaking out because of what Romney said about them.

Mitt Romney's recent declaration that Russia is America's top geopolitical adversary drew raised eyebrows and worse from many Democrats, some Republicans and the Russians themselves, all of whom suggested that Mr. Romney was misguidedly stuck in a cold war mind-set.

Russian Reponse:

Back in Moscow, Romney’s reported comments made headlines and prompted strong reactions, with a report in the Moscow Times musing that the words constituted “perhaps the most hostile remark by a major U.S. politician since President Ronald Reagan’s ‘evil empire’ speech.”

“This is not surprising,” Pushkov told reporters. “Among Romney’s top foreign policy advisers we can see the same neo-conservatives who directly influenced the development of U.S. foreign policy under [President] Bush.”

Sokolov said an Obama second term would be a guarantee that the so-called “reset” in Washington-Moscow relations would progress.

Pat - yet the right wingers think Romney is capable of leading the country. He's not even capable of leading the clowns in a parade!

Obama/Biden 2012

Pat - Much as you want to cling to your illusions about Obama, ignoring all the errors that he has made will not make them go away. I'm still waiting for your interpretation of the Obama-Medvedev conversation quoted above.

Kannin... i'm so sorry that you don't read the real news papers or listen to anything other than Faux News, but you and the GOPrepubnuts are in for a big disappointment if woody Rompey doesn't get his head and his hand out of the Koch's pockets. He's hiding something and it will come to light very soon and I'm waiting the hear the thud when Woody Rompey falls on his face!!

LPF - Let's see ... insulting, check ... obscene, check ... "clever" misspellings, check ... totally devoid of information content, check! You must be a Democrat.

Don - they aren't MSLSD.com for no reason. And it is a Saturday party day around the spiked water coolers in their building.

This article will come down when they do say in about 8 hours or so.