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But unlike Democrats, who deny that politics are playing a role in their decision, former presidential candidate Jon Huntsman (R-UT) says he'll be skipping the Republican convention in Tampa because of the party's politics and policy positions.
Huntsman, who served as governor of Utah before becoming President Obama's ambassador to China, is widely regarded as a moderate and railed against the party's narrow focus.
"I have had several requests asking about my attendance at this year's Republican National Convention, which I have attended virtually every time since 1984, where I was a Reagan delegate," Huntsman said in a statement. "I will not be attending this year's convention, nor any Republican Convention in the future, until the party focuses on a bigger, bolder, more confident future for the United States. A future based on problem solving, inclusiveness, and a willingness to address the trust deficit, which is every bit as corrosive as our fiscal and economic deficits. I encourage a return to the party we have been in the past, from Lincoln right on through to Reagan, that was always willing to put our country before politics."
Huntsman has, however, endorsed Mitt Romney.
The Salt Lake Tribune first reported the news.
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John Huntsman: "I encourage a return to the party we have been in the past, from Lincoln right on through to Reagan, that was always willing to put our country before politics."
FRAME THIS.
Putting millions of people back to work via the American Jobs Act, rebuilding our soggy Infrastructure that has held up for 50 year, investing in Education, Research and Technology are common American goals.
GOP/Koch today, is just a mouthpiece for domestic and transnational corporations.
GOP/Koch is paving the way for these entities to control our government, disenfranchize our workers, get rid of the vote, and re-write the Constitution for their own gain.
HAHAHA, Hunstman, you just figured this out? lol....
Good for Hunstman!
Bet he's looking pretty good right now to the dozen or so Republican'ts who haven't gone completely bat @!$%# crazy!
Willard = buyers remorse!
Huntsman is the one that got away...he is presidential, having common sense ...that's exactly what GOP has spurned.
Hunt's-man/Heinz 2016
Huntsman was the one Republican who had intelligence, class, honor, and integrity - so of course they wouldn't support him. The far right has taken such total control of the GOP there is nothing left there. Nothing.
I love that Huntsman didn't sell his soul to this group of treasonous filth.
Obama/Biden 2012
Funny - there have been many, many dems that refuse to attend the dem convention.
Like McCaskill and it's in her friggin' state.
So Dominico, how about a list of those who won't attend their respective party's conventions?
You know so we can do a side by side comparison.
What do you say DOm?
I know a lot of Democrats and Republicans that like John Huntsman. He is a sane person that doesn't like riding in the GOP clown car.
"I will not be attending this year's convention, nor any Republican Convention in the future, until the party focuses on a bigger, bolder, more confident future for the United States.
That just about says everything we on the left have been saying since the worst Congress in our history took over.
The Party of NO is killing this countries chances of a speedy recovery and they are laughing at the struggles of the middle class all the while.
And the GNOP wants America to elect one of them to the White House? What a miserable thought!
Hey nomoresameo - what's this shellacking of which you speak?
Obama's jobs numbers?
or maybe the manufacturing numbers?
Shoot nomoresameo - are there any economic indicators that don't point to the continued shellacking of our economy?
Why shoot, have you seen the GM stock price? I don't supposed you have calculated the huge unrealized loss were are taking there, right?
Just nasty my man, just plain old nasty, with no real end in sight.
Sanity left the GNOP in 2010!
It was been replaced by the insane clown posse & their gofers! ☺
SO Dominico - as you researched this article did you pay any mind to the relative importance with in the republican party of Huntsman?
As compared to say, oh I don't know - McCaskill, Tester or any of the other dozens of dems that have openly refused to participate in theirs?
I don't know, seems a tad relevant. Particularly the dem senators like Tester, McCaskill and Manchin. In fact, can we call Huntsman a leader in the rep party?
Can we call Manchin, Tester or McCaskill a leader in the dem party?
Interesting what you all choose to write about.
Feisty Red said it best: Willard = buyers remorse!
Mitt the UnFit = I'm 'Mission Impossible,' I know it.
Spanky - you are sadly mistaken, the Democratic national convention is in NC, last I checked Senator McCaskill is from Missouri, not too smart today are you?
[McCaskill, Tester or any of the other dozens of dems that have openly refused to participate in theirs?]
Just which of these (less than 1 dozen) Dems were running for President?
More conservatives not attending:
Spanky, you should keep up with your party. Huntsman is wise to not attend that insane mess.
Spanky, Spanky, Spanky. You do know the Democratic convention is in North Carolina. Senator McCaskill is a Missouri Senator. Information is easy to obtain Spanks if you're not lazy and just repeat what you've heard.
And now you're trying to make Huntsman a tea people Koch republican leader? You know 90% of the tea people don't even know who Jon Huntsman is. If not liking, or wanting to have anything to do with your party makes him a leader in that party he hates, then more power to you. Spanky, God gave you a brain to think with, I'd suggest you use it once in a while.
Willard = buyers remorse! You have to be joking, the only buyers remorse I have noticed is in the Democratic Party. How many Democratic Politicians are skipping the Democratic Convention, 8 or 9, so far? I have heard a lot of voters who voted for Obama in 2008 are going to sit this one out because they lost out on the "Hope and Change".
Obama will be only the 3d President in my life time to fail getting reelected. (Carter, & Bush 1, Ford was never elected so he doesn't count.)
Personally I think the conventions are a waste of money and time. The Parties Platforms can be put out in the media and on line. There are no more brokered conventions and never will be again, so why have the conventions in the first place.
Whoops, my bad.
But in my defense the farthest east I like to go is to Vegas.
Point being no one but you libbies and the media ever gave Huntsman a credible shot.
So back to Tester. McCaskill and Manchin, no to mention the many other dems that refuse to go. Leaders in their state partys, leaders in the national organization by virtue of their high positions.
And come on Mo - it's Friday. Got to conserve brain function for weekend fun.
John Huntsman??
John Huntsman??
Yeah, I know I've heard that name before, but, I just can't place it.
Hmmmm....... "Huntsman"??
Oh, Yeah!!!!!!
He was in a movie that just came out with Snow White.
Why would anyone care if he's not going to the Republican convention??
What??
Oh, this John Huntsman is the Dem who ran in the 2012 Republican primaries and struggled to get a vote total in the mid-single digit percentages.
Same question: Why would anyone care if he's not going to the Republican convention??
Backhouse, call it what it is. A plutocracy.
Joe - it's this type of crap or the economy, what else they gonna talk about.
Funny, I remember last when when O, after getting the Ocare ruling only wanted to talk about the economy.
Really brings home the old saying - 'careful what you wish for.'
trouble is Spanky, it seems you conserve brain function on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Also it's funny how you tea people come up with your numbers of Democrats who are not attending the Convention, with out any facts to back them up, heck old sfcret has even made up a number of 8 or 9. Oh that's right you've heard there are a number of Democrats not attending, that's where you get your facts. That's the way the tea people operate, when they don't have any facts they just use the phrases "I heard" or "they said" or "everybody knows". But they never tell you where they heard it, who said it, or who everybody is. All the tea people have is general statements, no ideas to debate.
Spanky - again looking like the fool you are. You are so out of touch with reality. Oh, but I forgot, you're an attorney. Sure you are. Does Mom know you're on the computer?
What a joke.
Mo - actually the fun is going to be the Republican convention when the Ron Paul delegates create a real mess for poor Mitt. Mitt can't even get the GOP behind him! What a total joke this moron is and he's the BEST the GOP has!
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity
I love that Huntsman didn't sell his soul to this group of treasonous filth.
R-money = kick in the gut to American
No NitMitt
4more for 44
Lean forward
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I knew I liked Jon Huntsman! This is NOT my father's Republican Party. It's not the party of Ike. I cast my first presidential ballot for Gerald Ford, but no one remotely resembling a moderate remains in the Republican power center.
Mo - the simple fact is there are many, many dems not attending.
In fact, that number goes up each and every day.
See Mo, Tester, McCaskill, Manchin and many more have said they will not attend. What else is there? They are not going for pure political reasons.
Fun right?
Yeah, Seeking, sure I'm an out of touch fool. Now as much as I love that all you can do is make personal attacks, I gotta ask - what is the basis of your position? Why am I a fool, and how am I out of touch?Come on, be specific. I know it's what Mo demands.
So Mo, let's chat about numbers - the unemployment rate is one, and so is the rate Obama said it would be with the stimulus. The GDP is another, as in the declining mortgage interest rates.
Care to discuss these very real numbers?
How about you Sanity - up for it?
Come on, it could be fun.
The party's narrow focus. lol. Holding millions of americans hostage by not creating jobs - to ensure one man loses his. Huntsman is an honorable republican. Only a very very few left. Ask ol retired republican Simpson from Wyo. He'll tell you the same. The truth just can not be accepted for what it is by these obviously polarized new republicans we are dealing with. Truly ... polarized to the point of stupid and ignorant. ONLY division to offer our great and free american lives. The republican stain continues to grow.
I am still a big fan of Huntsman and wish he could have won the nomination. He was more conservative than a lot of people thought. But he didn't go with the party line in some instances and unfortunately, that garnered an unfair label of RINO.
Spanky...welcome back. How was your trip?
Unlike McCaskill and Manchin at least Huntsman has the guts to be honest. Not that it is a big deal a former candidate is skipping a convention when compared to two members of congress.
Spanky you won't get any facts from Seeking, she never has facts to back up her smack talk just more insults. As to number of Dem's not attending the convention here you go for a link.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/list-of-democrats-skipping-the-partys-national-convention-continues-to-grow/
McCaskill is from my home state and most want her gone.
ksw62118 - I've yet to see you post any facts but I guess that's okay for you.
Pathetic really that the best you have to hang with is the likes of Spanky!
Why doesn't it surprise me neither of you has anything good to say about Huntsman, the only candidate with any intelligence and integrity who ran for the GOP. It says everything about you two.
And, I wouldn't worry about who's attending the Democratic convention. The GOP is going to have their hands full avoiding all out warfare on the convention floor!
Obama/Biden 2012
Ambassador Huntsman is the only Republican who would not sell his soul to Grover Norquist. As an intelligent, moderate Republican, he would be able to lead a revitalization of the GOP, easily drawing the independents and many moderate Democrats, including me.
Because he hasn't decided to throw away his principals to be elected, the GOP of hate and destruction rejected him. The country is worse off for it.
It's time for a new Tea Party favorability poll. Watching the fall of these Koch loving losers mount the pole and descend into Dante's Inferno is infinitely more entertaining than watching reruns of "Debbie Does Dallas". One can only hope they wake up and avoid an eternity of striding through Hades with bags of tea stuffed in their mouths.
One more piece in the puzzle of a Republican Party in the final phase of a strategy that worked for a while but was always destined to fail in the end. Twenty years ago they decided to "play to the base" while alienating everyone else and driving down the vote in order to win. It brought us President HW Bush and the House of Gingrich. Doubling down on it brought about the presidency of GW Bush.
Eventually, though, this chasing of a moving target because you're turning everyone else away must end. "The base" becomes too small, too crazy, and only so many people will be dissuaded from voting. Eventually the candidates become so insanely fringe and niche that they have to put on airs of being sane and mainstream in order to win (Joe Walsh, are you out there?)
And then the end game...that place where "the base" demands a candidate so tuned to their deluded fantasies he or she has no hope of ever appearing mainstream. It doesn't matter where Mitt the Human Weathervane would really like to be on the ideological spectrum. He can't be crazy enough to keep the John Birch Society/Tea Party base without alienating the average voter. He can't move to the center enough to capture the average voter without his distrustful base abandoning him.
So he has no choice but to pretend he's answering questions when in reality he's mouthed many words with no meaning. He has no choice but to imply he's for things the average voter wants while reassuring "the base" that he's just as far down the rabbit hole as they are.
Then, the inevitable implosion. This would be the year for certain, if not for lingering damage from an economic monsoon of epic proportions, enabled by catastrophic deregulation. In any case it will be soon. A party this fringe, this crazy, this stupid can't exist in its current form for long.
@ Seeking evidently you still haven't figured out how to "seek" by clicking on a link or pasting internet sources. Maybe you are still trying to remember where you read something like the 70% claim about GE. You are too funny with all your blustery schoolgirl insults.
It's sad to see the GOP has changed ... from the Party of Lincoln to the Godless Tea Potty of Romney. No wonder the RepubliCan'ts don't believe in evolution. Every chance tofor GOP go down the drain, but No room for evolution (improvement) ... Iron-ic
Romney
got rich bankrupting 8 companies in 9 years. He did it by using investor’s
money (not even his own) buying companies, then taking out a loan against the
business to pay himself and his buddies back first. The business would not be
able to pay the massive debt load along with Bain’s 20% “fee” so it would cut
employees salaries, benefits, and pensions, then liquidate everything or move
the business offshore. Is this your vision of American Business or is this
Vulture Capitalism?
a.
AMPAD - Profit: $102 million - Bankrupt: 2002.
b. DDI CORP - Profits: $36 million - Bankrupt: 2003.
c. DAMON CORP - Profits: $1.5 million - Bankrupt: 2009.
d. DADE BEHRING. Profits: $365 million - Bankrupt: 2002.
e. STAGE STORES. Profits: $100 million - Bankrupt: 2000.
f. GS INDUSTRIES. Profits: $65 million - Bankrupt: 2001.
g. DETAILS. Profits: $93 million - Bankruptcy: 2003.
h. WORD WIDE GRINDING. Profits $16.5 million - Bankrupt: 2001.
Total
take: $779 million.
Even
Republicans agree - Gingrich: "A story of greed, playing the system for a
quick buck. A group of corporate raiders led by Mitt Romney, more ruthless than
Wall Street. For tens of thousands of Americans, the suffering began when Mitt
Romney came to town
ksw62118 - and you're not even funny with your amateurish posts and low intelligence insults. Please try to at least look adult. You're not up to the task!
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With Obama stating that the economy is heading in the right direction it is now apparent that the man needs to be drug tested.
I'm not sure if he's back on weed or cocaine maybe bath salts. He's on something!
Well said Mr. Huntsman. I wish there were more like you in the GOP.
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Seeking If your "brilliant, mature" normal commentary is an example of intelligence I will take that as a resounding compliment. Thanks.
BIG NEWS!!! A Republican who holds no office and is not currently running for any office will not attend the Convention. What about Democrats not attending their convention?
North Carolina congressmen Mike McIntyre (D-NC) and Larry Kissell (D-NC), plus candidate Hayden Rogers have announced they will not be attending the party convention in their own state. Additionally, Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), Claire McCaskill, Democrat candidate for US Senate representing Missouri, Rep. Mark Critz (D-PA), Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin (D-WV), Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Rep. Nick Rahall (D-WV) have decided not to attend the party convention. They will not attend because supporting President Obama will hurt their chance at getting elected or reelected. Where is that story in MSDNC?
ksw62118 - no doubt someone of YOUR intellect WOULD take it as a compliment. LOL
Lying -
Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999.
Uh ... do you see one company on your list that comes closer than 2 years from that time line?
Btw - the guy running things at Bain during your time frame, one of the managing directors ... was a guy named Jonathan Lavine ... a top Obama bundler.
Just keeps getting worse everytime the truth comes out, huh?
To LyingRepublicans who said that Romney bankrupted 8 companies in 9 years. Why don't we look at President Obama's record. Bought out two companies in 2009 with our money:
GM - Filed bankruptcy 2009
Chrysler - Filed bankruptcy 2009, US Govt sends in $6.6B to exit bankruptcy so it can be sold to a foreign automaker (does that mean outsourcing jobs???)
Two companies, two bankruptcies, Billions of our taxes wasted.
5,000 more Amercians went on disability than got a job in June and Obama thinks we're going in the right direction.
WOW!
Hey moonbats, just so you know at this time in the election cycle Carter was up 9 points in the polls. How that turn out?
There are now three quarters of a MILLION less women working today under Obama that on his first day in office.
Who's waging a war on women exactly?
The facts are devastating and indisputable! Obama is the WORST ever!
Jon Huntsman, well said. I notice he indicates the republican party "we have been in the past, from Lincoln right on through to Reagan". Notice the "through to" Reagan not "through" Reagan. Slip of the tongue, I don't think so.
Reagan began the party's shift further to the right. Reagan began the exploitation of the social/cultural divide. Reagan began beating the anti-Government drum which led to the "trust deficit" today because "starving the government beast" is the quickest way to prove the beast cannot solve problems thus our trust in government declines. Reagan convinced people taxes were evil, never mind the collective good. Reagan turned the country from a creditor nation to a debtor nation. Reagan gave us Grover Norquist. Reagan gave us attacks on public teachers and unions which gave us lower wages in those miss-named Right to Work states. Under Reagan, began the decline of education because we stopped being willing to invest in our children's future; this was easy, just demonize the teachers, blame them. Infrastructure began its decline under Reagan. Reagan infused masses amount of borrowed money into the military-industrial complex with his communism fear mongering. Reagan began the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle to the wealthy since the age of the Robber Barons. Reagan gave us trickle-down which only trickled up; Bush 41 aptly named it "voo doo" economics. Reagan begot Bush 43 and we all know how that worked out--we still struggle to recover. Jon Huntsman recognizes that republicans put party before country especially that last 3 1/2 years.
Jon Huntsman is a smart man. He was also right about Mitt Romney when he called him a "well-oiled weather vane".
Now the White House is blaming FOX News for all our woes!
How pathetic is that? I expect it from the commie moonbats here on this vine but for Jarrett and the White House to say it is just oh so embarrassing.
In other news, George Zimmerman made his Million dollar bail.
That's a lot of money. Obviously, a lot of people wanted to right a wrong and generously donated.
Rob in MASS
Unemployment was at 9.5% at this point in Ronald Reagan's first term. How'd that turn out?
Rob,
Which wrong was that?
The one where he lied to the court under oath about his financial wealth or and was punished for lying.
Huntsman is a true Mormon;
Willard the Weird is just a moron.
I can understand why Joe Manchin would skip the convention. His constituents are probably on to him and he can't chance not getting re-elected. He'll need to campaign like crazy. Of the 9 Senators who are members of ALEX he is the ONLY Democrat. Speaks volumes if you ask me. Oh, and of the 88 House members who are members of ALEC - ALL are Republican.
It's a change in the definition of freedom.
There are really two definitions.
The first is the freedom to have no obligation to anything or anyone else but yourself. How you treat your property, whom you do business with, etc. Freedom. Personal wealth and growth are paramount. The rich of this group look out for their own self-interests to the near exclusion of all else. If there is more profit to be made by selling our products overseas, rather than domestically, then let's do so.
The second is group-based. Freedom to have feedback into the group which you are part of (city, municipal, whatever), but ultimately the good of the group will take priority of the good of the individual. The rich of this group believe it is their civic duty to return something to their group. To leave it better than when they joined it.
Those can also be looked at as 'Dixie Freedom' and 'Yankee Freedom'.
While this nation was growing, it had Yankee Freedom. The 'uber rich' bought into the Yankee Freedom ideaology and steered the country with it.
Now, it's gone the other way and the uber rich who bought into the Dixie Freedom mentality are steering the ship.
Fun fact - Those two polarizing ideologies are returning once more and...if you look at an electoral college map...you'll notice that again it is split closely between yankee/dixie lines with some few exceptions (west virginia, virginia flipped)
Amy B. Portland, ME says "Unemployment was at 9.5% at this point in Ronald Reagan's first term. How'd that turn out?"
What Amy leaves out is that unemployment under Regan peaked in 1982-83, which was when his tax cuts were being implemented. Then unemployment steadily dropped every year until he left office with unemployment at 5.2%. Regan inherited the Carter recession, but wasted no time turning the economy around. True leaders like Regan overcome the obstacles, they do not bombard the American people with an endless parade of blame and excuses like Obama has done.
True leaders like Regan overcome the obstacles, they do not bombard the American people with an endless parade of blame and excuses like Obama has done.
So true Rick. Nobody likes a cry baby. And Obama is the biggest crybaby I have ever seen!
Unemployment fell from 10.8% at the end of 1982 to 7.2% by the end of 1984.
Want a better comparsion, more specific comparision - The last month in the third year of Obamanomics, the economy created 115,000 jobs while in September, 1983 in the first year of Reagans recovery the economy created 1.1 million jobs in that month alone - TEN TIMES AS MUCH AS OBAMA.
What makes those numbers even more impressive is that people were returning to the workforce as opposed to giving up and being dropped off the unemployent rolls under Obama.
Now comparision ... Obama is an utter, abject failure.
Great!
It must really suck to try to defend Obama with actual facts and to get stomped every time you do.
Reagan blaming Carter for the economy in 1983:
"The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."
But yes, let's compare. Democrats worked with Reagan for the good of the American people. They helped him increase spending, hire more government workers (like you are supposed to do during a recession) and increase taxes.
What have Republicans done to work with President Obama on helping the economy? Cut spending, destroy state economies, lay off tens of thousands of teachers, police officers and firefighters. The exact wrong thing to do during a recession.
"Our number one priority is to make Barack Obama a one term President." Mitch McConnell
bob-1805084 - it must really suck to be you and actually believe you're "stomping" anyone with your idiotics posts. But go ahead, it makes you feel good.
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Oh, well, if you can't find anybody else to blame, do you blame yourself and the pathetic policies of hyperspending that you introduced or do you just keep searching? Oh, wait, Oblameo hasn't blamed me yet! Come on, O, bring it on, I have broad shoulders!!!!!
SS There is another of one of your brilliant fact filled posts......
"The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."
Wow you came up with a quote. Is that all media matters found? But seriously, if you were around back in those days you damn well know that Reagan was a leader. He had his detractors sure but he was respected by both sides of the aisle.
Respect is earned. Reagan earned it because he owned it. (irancontra you can argue maybe not) But Obama just doesn't have it. He got smoked in the mid terms for overreaching and did not make any adjustment afterwards. Now he's going to get smoke again come November
Yep ... absolutely true to an extent.
Reagan was a great leader. He went to the American people and sold his vision to them. Reagan sold his plan to dem voters. The dems had to go along with their constituents or face being voted out.
Obama?
Can't even sell his own party .... hasn't recieved ONE dem vote on a budget!
Reagan cut spending on everything BUT DEFENSE SPENDING.
Defense creates sustainable jobs. You can sell an F-16 to another country, you can sell a used F-14 .... you can't sell a highway or a used bridge to another country.
Obama has done the exact opposite .... with the exact opposite results.
Reagan dropped the marginal tax rate from 70% to 28%.
Why do you guys intentionally lie and mislead ... can't win any other way?
ksw62118 - and another of yours! Can you say "hypocrite?"
Hey Seeking -
Sorry we can't get to you today, there are people with an IQ above 54 putting up comments that we need to respond to.
Check back tommorrow.
Have a good weekend.
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bob- Since your IQ is below 50 I'm surprised you're posting at all. Don't worry, I have enough intelligent people to talk with. Don't miss the mental midgets of the right!
RedDevPS - that was on the 10 o'clock news last night. Something to be aware of.
Ronald Reagan did not inherit two wars and come into office after the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
The conditions President Obama inherited were much worse than anything Reagan had to deal with, yet unemployment spiked at 10.8% and Republicans are "Okay" with that. Anything that happened during St. Reagan's watch is sancrosant. It's ridiculous.
I get really sick of the political hypocrisy of President Obama's opponents. Republicans came up with idea of the individual mandate for health care, as a more conservative option to employer-mandated coverage, yet here they are in 2012,ranting that its unconstitutional!
Bob with#,
"Defense creates sustainable jobs. You can sell an F-16 to another country, you can sell a used F-14 .... you can't sell a highway or a used bridge to another country."
So this is your point of departure for your post?
Hmm! Lets take that further. Jet fighters can be sold to others, so can guns, missiles, cluster bombs, land mines,bullets. Using them for defense has a limit. On the other hand ,if there are wars after wars, we could be the arms dealer of the world bar none!!
Bob, have you showed this to Romney and company as a great agenda item for the jobs?to bad Congress didn't think of this when they cut the deal to trigger across the board spending cuts due for 2013 .
In your comparsion: infrastructure cannot be sold, it stays here in the USA. What is the good of bridges, highways, ports, airports etc?
The value of infrastructure is immense, it promotes commerce, travel, ties the country together, supports jobs here and abroad. And promotes new businesses and is the backbone of our country.
Currently reading the book" A Path between the Seas" by McCullough. America helped build the first Panama Canal and is contributing to the second one that will be ready in late 2014. You can export infrastructure...
Bob, pick up the book and learn a little history.
The cost of the 2 wars combined for the entire 8 years under Bush was around $760 billion - HALF WHAT OBAMA OVERSPENDS A YEAR.
But really, how big a deal is it?
Obama took a full year to come up with his insane plan for Afghanistan .... couldn't have interfered with too much?
Press and the lib base don't care about losing the war Obama vowed to win .... don't seem to care about Obama losing Americans at a monthly average FIVE TIMES MORE THAN BUSH!
Again what's the big deal ... certainly hasn't conflicted with campaigning or golf.
Actually it was 18 months vs. the average of 16 months. The recession was officially - by economic definition and historic fact - in June 2009 - OVER THREE YEARS AGO!
Obama's ineptitude is what has given us the worset recovery since the Great Depression - nothing else in history compares to his failed performance.
Yea, in that regard it was a worse situation that Reagan inherited.
The difference is that Reagan didn't cry and blame and complain about it for 3 years .... he turned it around.
bob,
I know you blame Obama for eveything including the heat wave this week.
You are the one who brought up the defense industry as the real job creators and made light of spending on infrastructure
And now only want to argue with Amy about Ronald Reagan....
Bob ,I hope you do not cross any bridges or drive on any highways this weekend.
Again read the book I suggested and get back to me....
Goes to show you Bob lotsa useless numbers spreads just that - a whole lot of useless numbers. This must be awkward for little Bobbie to explain away.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629
Fortunately, we can rely upon Bob to post the most unreliable set of numbers and we are on to his stretched truths (more commonly known as flat out lies). He uses the Bush/Cheney accounting method - defer 90% of the costs to the next administration, and shift the blame on them.
Wonder how many bridges Bob bought before he figured this out. That being said, the Bay Bridge and Golden State Bridge in San Francisco has most certainly created sustainable jobs. People show up to work everyday to support bridge operations. Same with dams, same with most public buildings.
Yea .. and military infrastructure, such as hardened hangars, power systems, communication systems training, on and on .... big business.
Most of what we sell is never used in a conflict. All those planes, etc. serve as a deterent in most cases.
Bob, have you showed this to Romney and company as a great agenda item for the jobs?to bad Congress didn't think of this when they cut the deal to trigger across the board spending cuts due for 2013
It is no secret ... just politics and liberal demagoguery.
Obama knows it it too. (A multi-billion dollar deal has recently been signed to provide drones.) Obama would rather use the liberal narrative than create real jobs.
Yea ... bath tubs are great infrastructure too. They help you get a job.
But building a bigger, newer bath tub .... taking more baths .... sitting in the bath tub all day doesn't exactly help you make the house payment, does it ... not exactly self sustaining is it?
bob,
Now you are being silly....:)
"Bathubs are great infrastructure."
Everyone needs a bathroom and kitchen in their homes these days.
The sustaining infrastructure is the water treatment plant, the sewage treatment plant and all the underground pipes that bring the water and drains it away from your bathtub.
Duluth MN had record rains last week, overwhelmed the sewer system. Now they are looking at how to build a system that will be modern and supporting the city and its steep hills so this does not happen again.
It not the bathtubs that need to be rebuilt. It is the infrastructure. And that means jobs and paychecks.
RedDevPMS -
Actually they are government numbers and are as I represented - the actual cost of the Bush years.
Actually it is easy to explain away, I didn't mention the costs past what was actually spent thru 2008. I didn't mention Obama's 170% increase in war spending the last 4 years ... I didn't mention future maintenance costs, interest costs that have exploded under Obama ... health care for wounded vets 40 years from now ...the costs to society for handicap infrastructure ... and who knows what other crap the nut dreamed up .
(Unless they are toll bridges that generate positive cash flow) ...YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A SELF-SUSTAINABLE JOB IS?
Wow.
Just reading Northstar .... you don't understand either?
Btw - the bath tub was metaphor.
Liberals don't get it.
At least you illustrate the core value system at the heart of the GOP/TP party - you are not responsible or accountable for your actions. Health care for wounded vets is NOT a bunch of crap, and IS a part of the cost of war. If it weren't so utterly disgusting, your lack of empathy and irresponsibility would almost be funny.
Bob,
Your little ending with the bathtub analogy, which is not a metaphor, spoke volumes.
We are in the fourth year of the biggest global recession in our lifetime. I believe it will take at least 10 years total to grow out of this disaster.
You wanted to talk about different types of industries that could put people back to work in the near term: defense or infrastructure and how one is better than the other.
You are for Romney . I am voting for the President. The unemployment rate will continue to maintain or slowly go down no matter who is President. The reason is there is gridlock in congress, consumer spending will not be back anytime soon, and the economies of the world are now intertwined beyond any one nation.
Have a cool weekend and I still recommned the book on the building of the Panama Canal.
Well, well, well, finally a Republican who says what the party is about being held hostage by the right, Tea baggers that really have no answer for the economic state, they have no answer for any thing since they DO NOT believe in govt. so how can they be in control of government when they fundamentally believe it shouldn't exist?!
Paul,
Yes, it is all there in bob's posts.
They also throw in all the Ann Rand pseudo-philosophy and sprinkle a little libertarianism on the top.
And their candidate will be a old Republican that will be taking the Wall street banksters and the old neocon's with him to Tampa.
Huntsman is a joke, that is why he got such little votes during the campain. The Tea party has the answers, they are just not the answers liberals want to hear. Liberal answers have not lowered the unemployment rate, they have not inceased jobs. (while they claim they produced 4 million jobs, they at the same time lost 5 million jobs.) Huntsman has about as much chance as Nader, becomming a president.
(You snuck in an extra million?)
4 million jobs were lost in the last 6 months of President Bush's term, and GDP went to MINUS 8.9%.
In Sept/Oct of 2008, President Bush signed in TARP to stop the U.S. banking system from collapsing - remember?
Jobs continued to leak at 700,000 to 800,000 per month, until roughly 8 million were gone.
Since President Obama has been in office - and without any help from GOP - 4.4 million jobs have been created over the last 28 months. Half a million manufacturing jobs, auto.
So even in a recession, jobs have been created faster under this Administration than at any time under the last (very weak job growth, and tons went overseas).
The Tea party was created by big corporations, and is now doing their dirty work for them in Congress.
Spanky, how are you and your little one percenter friends doin? You must get dizzy spinning like a top all day. You better take a little break or your going to spin yourself straight into the ground. The sad thing is one percenters like you, Joe, Roy, WCO, Joanna and the others wouldn't have the first clue what it is like being in the struggling middle class. I have though, thoroughly enjoyed watching you connies getting your hinds handed to you lately with the SC decisions on immigration, ACA, and Eric Holder. But please continue to spin, spin, spin because you guys are the only reason I come to these blogs - to watch you one percenters scramble, deflect, distort and spin. All good comedy so Carry On!!!!!
The tea party will be much more astounding in 2012 than in 2010. Maybe a hundred new faces in 2012? Is the issue huge new taxes as in 2010? Likely.
BLITZER: I know you stand by the health care reform you passed, you got enacted when you were the governor of Massachusetts, and you differentiate between who what you did in Massachusetts as opposed to what President Obama did on a national scale. But some other news organizations have done some research, and I'll give you a chance to respond to this.
They have taken a look at your book, the book entitled "No Apology," the hard-cover version, in that book you this, you wrote, "It's portable, affordable health insurance -- something people have been talking about for decades," referring to your plan. "We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country, and it can be done without letting government take over health care."
Now in the paperback, more recent version, it was changed to say, "It's portable, affordable health insurance -- something people have been talking about for decades. And it was done without government taking over health care." The line, "we can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country," was taken out.
Interviews like this is why Romney no longer does interviews except for fox news.
Governor/Ambassador Huntsman needs to be given another role in the 2nd term of the Obama Administration, preferably at Cabinet level. Huntsman would be an excellent choice for the presently vacant Sec. of Commerce position. Given his fluency in Mandarin, and the increasingly complicated USA / China economic relationship it would be a very beneficial fit for our country.
By his selections of Joe Biden as his V.P., and Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, President Obama has already demonstrated that campaigning for president as his opponent does not disqualify a person from Mr. Obama's consideration for who is the best suited person to serve the country.
Huntsman has also demonstrated that he places country before politics; precisely the reason he didn't gain traction in the Republican presidential primaries, even though he was by all accounts the most experienced and qualified candidate in the race.
America needs more men and women like John Huntsman in politics. He is the type of public servant who used to dominate American politics. He represents the place where 60%-70% of Americans reside, in the moderate political center, disgusted with both the Left and Right extremes which are making all of the noise and obstructing the forward progress and recovery of our nation, and destroying our children's future.
He'll never appeal to the GOP with talk like that - Huntsman's going to have to switch parties...maybe not as far left as Democrats, but certainly an Independent.
Today's Democrats aren't particularly far left.
I think what Tracey means is that after this election, there won't be many Democrats left.
The thing is, Huntsman is incredibly conservative, both economically and socially. He is nowhere near moderate. He's just not a crazy tea party type who boos our military, so they call him a RINO.
Well... will you look who's back...
How was your little time-out darling? lol
sirie was in time-out? Not long enough apparently!
Sure was...
And given how much they enjoy grave-dancing on those who get a suspension, it's only fitting to rub their nose in it!
Karma... baby.... Karma!
TraceyS Now that is funny, if it weren't so true. Obama is the most leaning president this country has ever had. The tea party is pro military, it is the main reason for the federal government, and should be the largest government expenditure.
National defense is one of 4 founding duties of the federal government none taking precedence over any other.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
Where in that does it say we have a duty to spend as much on defense as the rest of the world combined?
But still he endorsed Willard Romney. Not good, not good at all.
Agreed, the moderates from both parties should be fleeing and forming a third party that actually represents the majority and protects the minority.
How do you get out of Obama's actions, that he is "left-wing?"
Under President Obama, more illegal immigrants have been deported than were during eight years of George W. Bush. President Obama promised, if we knew bin Laden was in Pakistan, he would authorize going in and killing him. And he did.
President Obama bailed out the auto companies, and followed through with the bank-bailouts President Bush started. My God, the Affordable Healthcare Act requires everyone to get insurance, in other words, to take personal responsibility, a mandate actually proposed by the GOP to counter HillaryCare in the 1990's!
Careful there Amy - GNOP CAN'T HANDLE FACTS....
TGNOP CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Amy,
Obama, more illegal immigrants have been deported than were during eight years of George W. Bush. President
He also granted over 800,000 illegal immigrants to stay here making it even harder for American's to find work.
A lot of us could have voted for Huntsman. As for the rest of the current GOP and its all-pro mean kids, bear in mind H. L. Mencken's observation that "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
theotas - but not as many as Reagan did during his amnesty program. Oh did your little mind forget that one????
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SS,
I thought we were talking about Obama, do try to keep up.
FYI, I am still waiting for your source.
Amy, Before Obama everyone has the right to go out and CHOOSE the INSURANCE of their choice. Now under Obama we have one choice (a Government Dictated one.) Many will not get it until they get in the ambulance then purchase it, then drop it apon the exit from the hospital. Not to mention the cost in government waste and fraud. The auto companies should have gone through bankruptsy. It would have saved the taxpayes billions, instead the Government gave away Chrysler, (which has so far proven to be a better investment) and kept GM. Which the taxpayer is still loosing money on.
Regan again make a deal with the democrats, that the illegals be given amnesty, and the Border was to be secured. Like so many deals before the Democrats got what they wanted and didn't do thier part of the deal. They wonder why Republicans don't trust them, be it Immagration, tax increases for budget cuts. Deomocrats can not be trusted.
Jsaff
Under different circumstances, I would, and have, agreed that a Party of Moderation be formed. Unfortunately, Obama's executive decrees and destructive legislation must be reversed by defeating him in November. When the Kool-Aid is all gone and the left wingers are all back on their sedatives, we should put together a platform with solid long-range goals for America, one without the influence of the Christian Right or Left and other extremists. From personal experience I have seen "moderate" Republicans driven to conservatism by the overreach of Obama. I also hope that traditional Democrats who are also moderate but captured by the liberal propaganda machine would see the advantage of joining moderate Republicans in a Partry of Moderation.
300 Micheal: I hope you're only 12 or so for any adult to be so uninformed is scary.
That unpopular bailout that Romney sometimes subtly acknowledges was Bush's? Obama modified it by making shareholders take a haircut and forcing $140 billion of private money to recapitalize the 19 largest banks and unfreeze the lending market. The result was the banks repaid taxpayers with interest. Under the predecessor plan, the taxpayers might still be out $700 billion.
Same story with the automakers. They were going under with the Bush bailout. Obama re-engineered it, demanded that workers take a hit and put in more cash. America now has a growing auto industry and most of the $80 billion has been returned to the treasury.
What pol in his right mind wants to be associated with a party that's openly cheering for economic failure?
Obama dreams he could have turned around the economy like Regan did. It is Reid that wants a poor economy, so he can get everyone on Obamacare and food stamps. Then comes public housing.
Just look at the Democratic God. FDR. How many years did it take him to get us out of the great depression? Answer: never did, if it were not for WWII. Obama is following the same policys that didn't work then and still don't work.
As someone alive when Reagan was president what Reagan did was lower the tax rate on the wealthiest from 70% to 39% and paid for it by eliminating the credit card and personal loan interest deductions and limiting deductions for charity and medical expenses. Basically a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich. He jump started the economy by making the biggest peacetime increase in military spending in history tripling our deficit. To the right Reagan is a great hero for doing what they despise Obama for, creating debt to spur the economy.
GOOD!!!!!!!!
Maybe next, we can get this RINO out of the Republican Party altogether.
I petition that the Republican Party change it's name since it has almost nothing in common with the Republican Party of the past.
Any suggestions?
The Pale - Male & Stale party?
I still think Grumpy Old Perverts fits perfectly!
Their proud of that title Feisty.
Ugh .. there isn't enough Midol to dose the population from the side affects of that party. It gives me cramps just thinking about it.
Won't work I'm afraid...these are people who believe that calling something Medicare is "saving it" even when none of the details of the existing plan are preserved.
Sort of the "sometimes you have to destroy a village to save it" mentality, don't you think?
Yeah, Metalman! We don't want no politicians with brains, experience, common sense and a pulse in OUR party!
The votes are in and the new name for the GOP is official: The Grover Norquist Tea Party.....
Yeah, how about Nazi.
or mabye Dixiecans, or how about the tin foil hats?
Tracey - We don't want no politicians with brains,, experience, common sense and a pulse in OUR party!
My english teacher just turned over in her grave...
OK, so I just want to make it clear... It is "Don't want ANY"
sirie - what will bother your teachers more is the fact that you didn't catch the sarcasm. But then, you're the person earlier today who thought children getting killed is a joke. What can anyone expect from you?
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Oh, I did Seeking - and you are the one that mentioned a joke about kids getting killed, not me, which btw was sarcasm about Pigotry's comment.... that you may or may not have caught.
SeekingSanity is a good toon name for you, congrats!
sirie - go back and re-read your post. You CAN read, right? You stated it was a joke. In your pathetic little mind I guess that kind of tragedy is funny. You truly are missing brain cells.
And, anyone who has followed these sites knows I am seeking sanity in the GOP and people like you who have no sensibilities prove daily there is no sanity to be found in the GOP - or morals; or intelligence; or integrity; or class.
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At least the spelling change for the Democratic party to Demonic party should be an easy one.
Of course Huntsman endorsed Romney, he is from Utah and Republican. But that aside, Huntsman was the only GOP candidate in the current fireld that I would have considered voting for. He is well spoken, has real world experience, and does not pander to the rabid right and tea-baggers. Unfortunately, that meant he never had a chance, much like Fred Thompson.
Gary Johnson tried to run for the Republican nomination. He's a really strong candidate. He's presently the Libertarian Party candidate, and I think he's on the ballot in all 50 states. Conservatives who are sick and tired of their party being run by crazy people might consider voting for Johnson.
Clotho - I do a lot of far left bashing on here, however I can appreciate the posts of people like yourself. I think both spectrums of POV have loonies, and I get a kick out of reading their posts. Just a little humor to make my day go by faster.
The only problem is voting for Johnson would give Obama the election.
Can't say as I blame Huntsman, I would not want to be in a convention hall with that many ding bats either.
The tea people Koch republican convention is going to ruin a lot of political careers this summer. And any smart republican knows it.
Huh, look at how many Democrats don't want to be in the same hall with the Demobats! If you guys want problems, you need to look at your own party first and the moonbat policies that Demobats keep trying to foist off on the thinking American public as doing any good for jobs or the economy.
The Democrats, like Claire McCaskill, are having to stay home and campaign like crazy just to stay in place. How many of the Democrats running for office have asked Oblameo to come and help them out? Zero, you say? I can't HEAR you! Every Democrat I know is running the other way to get away from Oblameo so fast you can only see a dust cloud in the air behind them.
The narrow-mindeness brought about by the Tea Party right wing extremists is causing rifts within the party. Democrats are loving it.
More Republicans are loving it. I am glad to see the turn towards true constitutional values.
I would think that the "Occupy --------" group would cause a rift in the Democratic Party with its narrow-mindeness and lawlessness..........but wait, that's what the Democratic Party has become with its community organizers and cell leaders.
I've always respected Huntsman, but the republicans could nominate my neighbors cat and i'd vote for it before I'll vote for Obama again.
mlkboneundrwear - then you should be happy. The GOP will be represented by a snake in the grass. And, that's the best ya got!
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Against Mr Obama, we don't need anything but a live entity. Dead people need not apply, but the dead could always vote as usual for the democrats. After all, leave no headstone unturned.
mlkboneundrwear - trust me, there are more "dead" people voting GOP. It's all the GOP has and the only way they can win.
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". . . again."? LIAR! You never voted for him, in the first place.
Seeking Sanity, there are more "dead" people voting GOP
Could you please provide a source please.
Matthew - You're just dead wrong. Like many, I was weary, and while I'd been a McCain supporter before because of his maverick status, his time was past.
And you may call this racist, but I was happy to be part of moving the rock forward, and proud we would elect people on the basis of their character and not their skin color or gender. So I voted according to my heart and not my head. But I was wrong. Obama's character reveals itself each day, and has nothing to do with his skin. So heart vs head?
I won't make that mistake again.
this repuke & tea-shyst party are slime buckets. they ruined this country and they want me to vote them into office!!!! are they insane? yes they are.
narrow minded is small for them better yet no-minds fits there ideology !!!
what are they going to song and dance everyone with? dung w/flies is the answer!!!!
Very intelligent comment. Made no sense of course, but that's about what I expected.
How did the Tea Party ruin this country????? If anything they are saving it for future generations. I just wish there were more of them. It is about time someone used the constitution for what it is instead of using it to blow thier nose.
Typical liberal/socialist rant. You guys need new writers. Check back with your Russian handlers for a new script.
Huntsman was the only candidate in the GOP that had a chance.
John McCain followed his nomination loss in 2000 by establishing himself as the anti-Bush of the party, a comparatively moderate bipartisan figure, expecting that there would be an eventual backlash and that he would then be positioned as the most likely reformer to lead the party back. He was right, but blew the strategy in the 2008 election.
Huntsman may be doing something similar, betting that the Teapublicans are going to face the same backlash and reach a level of unpopularity comparable to W, and that he will then be poised to take over and guide the party back to sanity and relevance. I'm not sure it will ultimately work any better for him than it did for McCain, though.
Or, maybe, Huntsman really is disgusted by the hard-rightwing demagogues who control his Party. I know I am.
Not to mention that Huntsman is actually a statesman, intelligent, a moderate, has integrity, is not a bitter old man yelling at clouds, and does not engage in vendetta's . . . unlike McCaine
Matthew
Who is McCaine? A meaningless comment. It is indeed sad that Sen. McCain of Arizona was not elected in 2008 so that we could have avoided the devastation, embarrassment, and corruption of the last 3.5 years.
Sanity
I guess you never heard of Chicago and Kennedy's election. The smell was terrible at the voting boxes and still is.
Trying to find some great meaning in high level politicians not attending their parties convention is looking for some great insight when none exists. If they aren't scheduled to speak they feel no great need to attend a convention that the winners already known.
Hunstman's right....The right wing continues to play games while the American people are suffering. They offer up no real solutions...they say no to every solution/proposal presented by others....and blatantly stand for one group...the rich.
I am glad they offer real alternatives (30 sitting on Reid's desk) and say "NO" to just printing and spending more money. So far spending 6 trillion has done nothing. So why spend more? If you are stuck in the sand, and your tires are just spinning, a sane person stops. asseses the situation, and makes a plan. But the Democrats just keep spinning the wheels, until the whole car is sinking in sand. (I just hope they stop before it gets to the windows)
The liberal/socialists in charge of the Democratic Party won't stop "change"ing the economy until they have complete control of it and us. All of you "Commissar want-to-be" posters will be totally distraught when you find yourselves disenfranchised like the rest of us.
It sounds like Huntsman wants to leave the insane clown pose like Feisty stated. Jon Huntsman can come join the Democrats! The only party that represents all people!!
Not the hard working people that value their constitutional rights, Not the people who seek to better themselves and family. I think you mean the freeloaders, illegals, criminals, tax evaders, etc.
I'm none of those and wiil be voting for president Obama again.
It's narrow enough to be just one line, quoting Mitch McConnell: "Make Obama a one term president." If the Republican party wants my vote, get John Huntsman as your standard bearer, because Romney and the entire TEA-Republican party are extremist on steroids. Huntsman's endorsement of Romney is lackluster at best. Being a thinking man, I therefore will vote against Romney this season.
But he choose Romney over Obama. Romney was about the leftest Republican running for office. The problem is that Obama is so far out there in the leftest universe, that even the Green Party look like right wing extreamists.
300,so left he authorized more terroist termination's than President Bush.
Interesting! Where are the articles about all the Dems who won't be attending their convention? Just for starters, that includes the Governor of West Virginia. What's wrong MSN? Forget about that, or does it not fit your per-determined agenda? talk about biased reporting!
Spanky-
Hi spanky, you are on target. Regardless of what it is, we will be paying for the Seeking Insanity of the world for a long time. Let's not forget Horse that came back, what is his avatar?
This two character have become the attack dogs for Feisty Beisty and the left. Oops, i shold not have said dogs, you know someone might make a meal out of those two.
Concern - I see you still can't post an intelligent comment. Can you actually decipher the last part of your post?
Your ignorance and blatant stupidity is amazing. Have you signed up for counseling yet after that diatribe you posted yesterday?
You and Spanky prove daily that there is not sanity, integrity, class, honor, intelligence, etc., left in the GOP - just buffoons like you two.
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Concern - and you're just the dog for the GOP. Careful - Mitt may tie you to the top of his car!
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Hey Seeking are you being bother by me. If you were not a woman I would say that you are against women, as you claim that the Repubs are.
You can say all you want. My vote still counts as much as yours. Maybe you are one of those that want to take away the vote from blakc, latina women? I'm serious you need to seek some serious Sanity
Concern ... can you EVER stay on topic????
Layton - no, she can't.
You remember her diatribe yesterday? And, she thinks she has any sanity???
Good day to you Layton! Sad to see the GOP has fallen so far. Huntsman is a true statesman - way too good for the GOP. He was one of the good guys.
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@ Concern you are absolutely correct your vote counts just like anyone else. Seeking just thinks if she insults you enough you won't vote. Condescending nastiness from liberals like her is what pushes Independents to the other side.
Hey Spanky,
How was your trip, I see you made it back safely that's a big accomplishment. That place is full of corruption, its not eve safe to take a taxi.
The regular's really missed you , they couldn't stop talking about you. FYI, you wife was looking for you she sounded really pissed off.
I know Seeking . . . . it was a rhetorical question
ksw62118 - only in the very small minds of the far right would anyone think that a person's comments on this or any other site would deter anyone from voting. You guys really are mental midgets and prove daily there is absolutely no sanity in the GOP!
And, don't kid yourself, no REAL Independent will vote for Mitt Romney. They have much more sense.
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Amen ksw62118
I'm independant, and would love to see more independants on here. I see some loonies on the left and some loonies on the right, making gibberish profound BS about the other party, and I often wonder if they do that to try to sway more people to their way of thinking or what... I see it mostly as personal attacks, which usually sways me toward the other side.
@ Sirie I too am Independent and the grade school, scratch that, nursery school insults don't change anyone's mind. If anything it has quite the opposite effect and does nothing to prove a point.
Sirie,
I'm independent, and I agree the attacks just puts me off. How can I take anyone seriously when they condone these constant attacks on others who thinks differently. Every now and then you will come across a good debate, and that's where I learn the most, and from both sides.
I don't care what people call themselves, I just thing if you just look at the facts, and make an intelligent decesion, you will come out ahead. Most canidates have some good points, but I tend to look at their record, as they say talk is cheap, and actions speak louder then words. I like Ron Paul's domestic view (majority) but don't like his foreign views. I liked Huntsman's tax policys, but wasn't fond of his foreign policys either. I like the Tea Partys view on the Govenment, that it should be small, and eficient. It should allow the privite sector to take care of things, which it does far better then Govenment and is more accountible to the general public. Let the people keep more of thier money so that they can spend it on things they deem have value to them. Let parients choose schools, and other things from insurance to healthplans, to retirement plans. Let people choose and make their own decesions, and be responsible for themselves. Charites and Chirches have helped take care (safty net) for centuries, they do it far cheaper and more efficent then Government. Imagine what the local food kitchens could do if they had the money per capita that the federal govenment plans had. Kennedy had it right "Ask what you can do for your country, and not what your county can do for you". he also cut taxes. I think he would now be considered a Republican, unlike his brother "Teddy".
300Michael, did your parents choose your school district?
And churches were totally overwhelmed by trying to care for the poor and asked for government help--in the Colony of New York, in 1710. The task hasn't gotten easier since.
And just think how much more health care we'd get for our money if the administrative burden was 2% (Medicare's) instead of 40% (some insurance companies).
I thought the movie was going to be Feisty Does Dallas, Fort Worth And San Antone. If its too much to handle, Bev can help her.
Smart man one of the few decent Republicans left. Extremely intelligent and hasn't sold his soul to the "money Gods" as Mitt has. He would have had my vote for sure if he was in the running.
Huntsman has something that's forbidden at GOP events today. A brain.
TraceyS - A Brain, intelligence, integrity and honor. He clearly won't fit in the GOP.
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Here I will stay on topic.
Huntsman has, however, endorsed Mitt Romney. With that being said.
Romney and No OBAMA 2012.
Anybody and No BIDEN for 2012. I'm having lots of fun. I thought of Ignoring some of these BFL (Bad Freaking Liberals) but then every one on FR would agree with each other.
Concern, you're not on topic of this THREAD! Nice to see you're back at the name calling ... AGAIN.
Daryl, I live in Utah and a lot of your post makes sense. I do hope you know we're not all like that. Huntsman hasn't finished any of the posts he's had, he's a great starter - governor - quit to be ambassador, ambassador - quit to be a candidate. But I do believe he's more stable than Mitt.
layton here is the topic.
layton, you are either blind or refuse to see.
ksw62118 thanks, are you having as much fun as I am with these kids? And they call us ignorants and stupid. you are right I'm one of those Independent and so is my husband that are voting against Obama for someone that we believe will do much better. If Romney does not do better that he is out in 4 years also.
Layton - it's all we expect from Concern.
What part of Utah? My favorite ski places are there. I try to make at least one trip there each year. The best powder south of Whistler!
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Seeking, she is my favorite train wreck! I live in Northern Utah and don't ski (too many knee injuries playing volleyball!) anymore but was a Snowbird junkie growing up! Now I'm becoming more in awe of the Southern portion of my State ... Zions and Bryce .. . AMAZING! (and now I'm off topic!) hahahaha!
Love snowbird and I'm a big fan of Solitude. I wear a knee brace every time I ski (too many gymnastic injuries) since I had a nasty knee twist at Park City. Not my favorite place but it was close to the hotel.
I'll have t visit Zions and Bryce. The state is really beautiful!
layton and Seeking Insanity, you girls make me laugh. You two should get together since you have so much in common and stay on topic all the time.
Go Skiing and maybe you find out you have much more in common. I have no problem with that either.
Have a good weekend in case I don't post again.
HOPE to keep some CHANGE in 2012 vote for Romney.
Concern, thank you for the weekend wishes.
I do have to ask you something that again is, "off topic." Do you really know who Mitt Romney is? Have you ever been around LDS men and their total patriarchal society? I get that you don't care for President Obama, but do you seriously think that Miss Romney is going to do ANYTHING to further your life or livelihood? The man is a businessman. All of the businessmen we've elected to the presidency have ranked as the worst presidents ever. Are you seriously putting your stock itno someone that worships and lives by some weirdo religion where he feels he can be a god one day? With the entire name calling aside, you should look into it.
Mitt Romney (stupid smart devices!) and I lost my link
Rightwingers/Teabaggers want to take America back: to 1890.
I am a moderate independent and would have not only voted for but volunteered to work for Huntsman. Now I will just vote for Obama. I didn't last time and don't know that he is a particularly good president but I have not done any better in decades under republicans. I am tired of their low tax deregulation argument. If that had any merit then we would never have had the Great Depression because there were no regulations and taxes were very low.
Taxes were Low???? compair to what. Wilson started the Income tax on all americans, Americans back then paid more taxes then they did 20 years before. So your statement is not true. As for Regulations, there were plenty back then too. Our country had regulations and taxes the moment we were founded. The States had regulations reguarding the making of bread before the 1700's I suggest you read up on your history. You fail to mention that many a depression was caused by government regulation, not the lack of it.
What the?! I haven't responded to you before this, 300Michael, because you just aren't worth it, but to say that REGULATION caused the Great Depression is so false I'm tempted to call you a liar. Please, please, provide just one regulation placed on money markets and banks? Please, find me a source that isn't from a conservative site that says regulations on the market wouldn't have helped things. Oh, and btw, the lowest tax rate in the last 90 years was in 1929. Ignore author 300Michael...yes, please...can't be done fast enough. Just too stupid to waste time on any more.
Jon Hunstman is a rare breed among Republicans. He puts country ahead of politics, he doesn't believe in scapegoating or excluding people, plus he has a functioning brain and an open mind! Too bad he is in the minority!
That doen't explain how Obama got into office. With those criteria Obama should never have been elected. Now it is funny that while Obama is still their choice that they think they know which Republican would be the correct choice. I just say it justifies my choice that Huntsman is the wrong choice. I will give you one thing, he would be a better canidate then Obama if the Democrats want to elect him instead.
If a republican implements a stimulus program it's great if a black democratic president does it's a handout.
Under President George Bush’s administration, the Federal government gave $29 billion to bail out Bear Stearns, $178 billion to American taxpayers in the form of economic stimulus checks, $300 billion to bail out American homeowners, $200 billion to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, $150 billion to bailout AIG, and $700 billion to bail out banks (TARP).
Bush doled out more in stimulus spending in 2008 than Obama did in 2009.
If this were an open convention Huntsman might have been nominated from the floor. Too bad - a floor fight would have made it interesting.
Wisconsin, Ron Brock and Lamar.
I totally agree with you guys. However my independent vote can not vote for President Obama again.
If Hunstman gets selected for VP and then the more reason to vote for Romney. Hell at this point if a sneaker runs I would vote for it. LOL Just kidding.
Concern - you're so demented you probably would vote for a sneaker. After all, according to you, you're going to vote for an empty suit!
Obama/Biden 2012
Lifelong Democrat here, worked for Clinton/Gore and held various State, CD, and County offices in the '80s-'90s, and did some candidate surrogate work. I'm the kind of voter Jon Huntsman would have drawn - an educated persuadable, the Holy Grail of all candidates for elective office. Why would I want to hop the fence for someone like Jon Huntsman, the day after Election Day 2012? I'm already committed to help re-elect President Obama. And I identify with most progressives. So why Huntsman?
1. He knows China. In this century, China is America's main national debt-owner and our biggest supplier of consumer goods. Let's also not forget they're our biggest potential global adversary in a military sense. Jon Huntsman knows how the Chinese think, what their cultural mores are, and more importantly how their corrupt government and its officials act; in addition to which ta hui shuo putonghua de hen hao, something no other candidate can touch. That knowledge, in aggregate, is CRUCIAL to the National Security of our country. I cannot emphasize this enough, and I know China pretty well myself. (http://justlooklikefrog.wordpress.com)
2. He is human and, I'm assuming, approachable -- moreso than any other candidate with the exception of President Obama. His family as well are extremely valuable goodwill ambassadors at the very least. They're all intelligent, they're all creative, and they're all well-spoken; not your textbook snot-nosed rich kids. They've shown that they can think independently and on the fly. And I believe they are educated persuadables also -- on choice, and on other social issues.
3. By this latest action of his, he has proven that he won't knuckle under to pressure from the wingnuts. If this isn't leadership by example, especially at this time in our political history, then I don't know what is. I don't subscribe to everything Jon Huntsman stands for right now, but by taking this step he's shown that he's driven by what's right, and not by what's right-wing. So I'm willing to take the next step with him and see how he proceeds toward a probable run in 2016.
Hoping for some feedback here....
Hey Numb-nuts,
I noticed this bastion of fairness in journalism forgot tomention Mike McIntyre (D-NC) is not attending the Demon-crap Convention. Not to mention 14 other lawmakers in tough districts who won’t be in North
Carolina. Why would they want to be associated with the Clown from Washington? Watch fair and balanced and open your thick head to the truth.
Seekining, I have to admit that was a good line. I was only kidding, but now that you mentioned it I would vote for a empty suite with holes over President Obama.
Well that is governor Romney in a nutshell
Mitt Romney as president would ensure his Robber Baron friends get 100% control of America,the end of Americas Middle Class would be assured. Only two classes would remain: the super wealthy and the poor. When will Romney reveal all his millions he has in Cayman Island accounts and Swiss banks? His current tax reruns? A patriotic America would not put his money in foreign banks or accounts.