Wow, you don't let facts get in the way of your opinion, do you. Typical libby. Biggest attack ads are coming form Obama. And most have shown to be outright lies.

But what can you expect from a rank amateur like Obama. He is the worst president in history. Why do you think Carter has been looking so happy lately. He finally isn't the worst president any more.

Kennedy: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Obama: Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.

Sameolameo, Barrack Obama is no John Kennedy

Kennedy. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Obama. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you.

Mitten's - Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for the 1%...

Obama/Biden 2012

Why do you think Carter has been looking so happy lately. He finally isn't the worst president any more.

Carter? Really?

Sounds like you either have a convenient memory or you don't know the facts very well. Ever hear of a guy named Nixon? Hoover? I won't even mention the one we're not supposed to call by name that was recently in office.

Wow, you don't let facts get in the way of your opinion, do you. Typical libby. Biggest attack ads are coming form Obama. And most have shown to be outright lies.

Obviously it depends on who a person supports as to how we view their messages. You believe Obama is running the most attack ads. I see it as Romney doing the most. How many ads have you seen that depict what Romney stands for? How many have you seen that simply says Obama isn't doing enough or that Romney would do better? NitMitt isn't running a campaign on his merits or vision. He is simply running on a fear platform. He is doing little more than trying to make everyone afraid of another term for Obama. NitWitMitt either doesn't have a clear platform or he os afraid to tell the people what it is.

Being about 7 at the time, politics was the furthest thing of interest to me at that time.

Since I wasn't even born yet - I couldn't agree more!

Oh, I see. When Romney points out at actual facts about what Obama has done, it is an attack. Once again, facts seem to be a problem for you. LOL

Romney hasn't been telling lies like team Obama.

RedSoxRule - "Romney points out actual facts about what Obama has done." Only in some low information Republican's mind does Romney EVER state facts! Romney lies more than any other politician - he has to. He has nothing of value to tout.

Oh and the worst President of all time is and will forever be George W. Bush. There's no contest on that!

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SeekingSanity: Only in some low information Republican's mind does Romney EVER state facts! Romney lies more than any other politician - he has to. He has nothing of value to tout.

Precisely!

But you're wasting your time trying to speak with RSR about facts and what is best for the USA. RSR has the head buried in so far in the sand of fantasy land that no sense of reason can take effect.

Since I wasn't even born yet - I couldn't agree more!

My hats off to you my dear YOUNG friend Feisty! I suddenly feel a lot older now; LOL.

How's the clean-up going with the landscapers? I hope their getting your place back in order.

How's the clean-up going with the landscapers?

Ahhh the buzz of chainsaws & wood chippers...

Slowly but surely they are making progress - I am keeping them well hydrated with ice-cold Gatoraide!

@Seeking Sanity - check your e-mail...

SS,

Factcheck.org

The independent group FactCheck.org weighed in on the Obama ads, declaring “we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney -- while he was still running Bain Capital -- shipped American job overseas.

totas, don't try to confuse them with facts. It won't matter anyway, facts and truth never get in the way of a libby opinion.

Independent studies so far have shown that Obama's ads are overwhelmingly positive:

But at least by CMAG’s numbers, the Obama campaign does not appear to be blanketing television screens with negative ads. CMAG found that 70% of the ads run by Democratic campaigns or groups were positive. Wilner says the vast majority of that advertising was run by the Obama campaign. Republican ads were mostly negative -- 73%, and most of those were run by outside groups.

So it looks like Mitt and Co. are "going negative", while Obama is staying mostly postive. Imagine that.

Feisty - did check and sent you reply. Thank you!

Ahhh the buzz of chainsaws & wood chippers...

Slowly but surely they are making progress - I am keeping them well hydrated with ice-cold Gatoraide!

Feisty - Hopefully you don't have to make an insurance claim. After a windstorm damaged my home, I filed an insurance claim and my mortgage company pocketed the funds. It has been 3 months since I had the repairs done - without restitution. This must be the new 'method' being used by the banks to balance their books.

I think it's wonderful that Obama is up with Bain Attack ads.

First, he's continuing to deficit spend his campaign coffers.

Second, both Factcheck.Org and the Washington Post Factchecker have found them to be blatantly false- a fact that is now being featured in Romney ads.

So, Obama is running negative ads that are debunked by independent factchecking organizations in Romney ads- rendering future Obama ads useless, as he has purchased a reputation for lying in his ads.

So, Win/Win for Romney. I just love that Obama's desperate tactics are blowing up in his face.

and most of those were run by outside groups.

Unless you see Romney at the beginning or end saying "I approved this message", he and his campaign are not part of it. Read the disclaimer at the end of the ad on the bottom of the screen. "(name here) is solely responsible for the content of this ad and is not affiliated with any candidate or candidates campaign". Give you "E" for effort though.

thetotas-

Exactly when was Romney running Bain Capital? Romney and his campaign claim he "retired" from Bain Capital in 1999 to run the Olympics. According to numerous sources (including documents filed with the SEC) that is not true. And before you attack the source (mother jones) remember they are only quoting other sources.

On February 12, 1999, the Boston Herald reported, "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions." And a Bain press release issued on July 19, 1999, noted that Romney was "currently on a part-time leave of absence"—and quoted Romney speaking for Bain Capital. In 2001 and 2002, Romney filed Massachusetts state disclosure forms noting he was the 100 percent owner of Bain Capital NY, Inc.—a Bain outfit that was incorporated in Delaware on April 13, 1999—two months after Romney's supposed retirement from the firm. A May 2001 filing with the SEC identified Romney as "a member of the Management Committee" of two Bain entities. And in 2007, the Washington Post reported that R. Bradford Malt, a Bain lawyer, said Romney took a "leave of absence" when he assumed the Olympics post and retained sole ownership of the firm for two more years.

All of this undermines Bain's contention that Romney, though he maintained an ownership interest in the firm and its funds, had nothing to do with the firm's activities after February 1999. The Stericycle deal may raise red flags for anti-abortion activists. But it also raises questions about the true timing of Romney's departure from Bain and casts doubt on claims by the company and the Romney campaign that he had nothing to do with Bain business after February 1999.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec

The newspaper articles, the press release from Bain, MA state disclosure forms, and several SEC documents all contradict the official account of when Romney exited from Bain. How can Romney say he left the firm in February 1999 in the face of all of this evidence?

So which is it - did Romney falsify SEC documents or did he lie as to when he left Bain? How many jobs were outsourced during this "missing" time period of February 1999 through 2001?

FactCheck to Obama Camp: Your Complaint is All Wet

For all these reasons, we respectfully reject the Obama campaign’s request that we amend our original story.

We re-state our conclusion that “some of the claims in the [recent Obama] ads are untrue, and others are thinly supported.” And we suggest that should Obama campaign officials discover any actual evidence that Romney personally participated in any management decisions at Bain after February of 1999, they should produce it to a federal prosecutor.

Factcheck.org

Hopefully you don't have to make an insurance claim

Thankfully no, we didn't have any property damage & my home owners association is responsible for the clean up!

WHEW!

nomoresameo, terrific post. I was in 9th grade so have a few years on you but I remember the Kennedy/Nixon debates and I remember the election we had at school; Kennedy won.

Conservatives who compare President Obama to former President Carter fail to recognize that their similarities are not in governing but in their believe in humanity. While the right cries "community organizer", they fail to see that a young Barack Obama chose to help people instead of making millions. Mitt Romney isn't fit to wipe the dust off Carter's shoes or President Obama's either. While he may not have been a two-term President, was certainly not Mr. Personality, the Iran hostage situation overshadowed the good he did for the country, he laid the ground work for the economic recovery that Reagan claimed as his.

But the measure of the man, Carter, is not based on his years as President but on his charity work for the poor both here and in foreign countries, Habitat for Humanity, the Carter Foundation, working for Peace worldwide. President Carter and his wife have worked tirelessly to help those who have no hope.

What has Mitt Romney done with his millions? He earned his fortune destroying companies and destroying lives of the employees who worked at those bankrupted companies. He hides his money in the Cayman Islands and Swiss bank accounts. What has Mitt Romney done for humanity? Both Presidents Carter and Obama have more integrity and character than Mitt Romney will ever have.

I just love that Obama's desperate tactics are blowing up in his face.

And Snookie-Joe has finally come out of hiding!

Poor thing took quite the beating last week with not one but two SCOTUS decisions blowing up in HER face! lol

Unlike some of her counter-parts - she didn't have the courage to even show up!

Tell us all knowing Snooks, how is it the President is up in all the swing states against Willard? Nothing is blowing up in his face - as a matter of fact darling, he currently has the wind at his back!

This must be the new 'method' being used by the banks to balance their books.

Red,

Nothing surprises me anymore with these greedy bastards!

Speaking of Pinocchio awards for fake facts, this fun link shows that out of 48 facts checked for Romney, he has a startling 4 (almost 9%) 4=Pinocchio rating. Obama trails him with 61 facts checked, with 4=Pinocchio ratings. If truth in advertising was the an issue, Romney is clearly the loser. But we already knew that - Romney has been lying since day one of his candidacy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/fact-checker-fact-or-fiction/

How in the world could anyone compare Oblameo to JFK with a straight face? JFK was a decent president if he was sleeping around (Kennedy family major fault). Even Republicans are up with that. As far as Oblameo goes, comparing him to a pile of stinking, reeking garbage gives the garbage a big leg up.

This has to be one of the funniest things I've read all day:

Overall, since the general election contest began in the spring, the campaigns and the outside groups have spent nearly $200 million on ads, with Obama and his supporters outspending Team Romney, $110 million to $85 million.

Obama is outspending Romney and yet Obama hasn't produced anything from all that money wasted! How apropos... Obama wastes taxypayer money and he does just as good wasting his campaign funds.

TO: GT-2021701 who wrote:

"Kennedy. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Obama. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you..."

Well, but Eisenhower didn't run the country into the ground the way George "Curveball" Bush did, nor did Eisenhower lie us into war, nor did he raise the price of gas which caused the majority of Americans deep financial strain in order to buy gas to get to work.

This past Republican Administration virtually led a hard core attack against the American People with everything from a terrorist attack on American soil, to fearmongering, to overthrowing a foreign government, ALL at the expense of American Workers and American Taxpayers.

When Republican politicians wage a big war like that against the American People, and against the American Consumer, they end up bleeding the American People dry, which Republicans did in this case.

Eisenhower warned the American People about the Military Industrial Complex, but either Republicans didn't listened, or else Republicans became the largest part of the Military Industrial Complex.

Obama/Biden 2012

RedDev ... it's not just the falsehoods that get a "pinochio". Leaving out facts for BOTH sides, while not false, creates misleading ads.

For instance .... The latest Obama ad cites Romney as #1 in debt. Which is true. However .....What it doesn't mention is that it has been 1 or 2 in debt for about 20 years. The reason ... most all states fund infrastructure at the COUNTY level and it goes on COUNTY books. In Massachusetts it is mostly funded through bonds at the STATE level and goes on STATE books.

Most debt drivers under Romney, inculing the big one ... the Big Dig in Boston, started before Romney.

The job creation number they quote for Romney takes a 4 year look/average. Now look at it by year. The year before Romney got in and his 1st year they ranked 50th. His last year they ranked 28th, not 47th.

Debt increased 4 years before Romney at 34%. During Romneys 4 years it increased 16.4%.

I find it interesting how both sides throw out a set of numbers, then you go look at the details and its totally different from what they portray. But alas, our political system at its finest.

thetotas-

For one, just because Factcheck found no evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen in indirect ways. What sort of evidence is looked at to determine if a company is really engaged in what could be defined as shipping jobs overseas. It's already being done by corporations who have any proof of such covered up well enough there's little direct evidence it's occuring. But it's glaringly obvious this is what's happeneing. And it's not like this is the only thing Bain is being called out for either.

brianb-

Uh, in case you haven't noticed Obama is doing very well in the polls and his ads are quite effective on Romney. Where did you come up with the idea he's gotten no results for his campaign spending?

BigATC - I'll see your check, counter, and check you. Chess aside, I agree, both sides use numbers to their advantage. I understand the importance of graphs to awe the crowd. Unfortunately, we live in a society that demands those graphs as the most meaningful indicators. So regardless of how you justify your numbers, I can also justify my numbers. It is all talking points and when we get into the busy stuff of solving issues, both sides must throw out the charts and the talking points. The lines in the proverbial sand have been drawn .. the question remains, who is the better leader to walk this line.

I left out candidate names, because this is the question. Do Americans win against each other with candidate A, or do Americans win against each other win with candidate B? We are a unified country divided on principle and that my friend, is the question we must answer.

Wouldn't you call this a no will situation? Do you really think that one side or the other are willing to blink?

Before the Obama's you could go see the president for free. Looks like he is more than happy to sell the White House.

A general admission ticket to the reception, which begins at 3:30 p.m., costs $200; a ticket to the preferred viewing section costs $500; and a ticket for two that includes a photo with the first lady costs $5,000. For $30,000, supporters can be dubbed co-chairs and will get five tickets to the preferred viewing section as well as a photo opportunity with Obama.

Isn't it amazing all the Obama supporters tell us how bad it was when Bush left office. Was unemployment higher? No, below 7%! Was the national debt higher? No, it wasn't around $10 trillion but now it is well over $15 trillion. Obama tells us Bush left him with an over $1 trillion defict. The budget passed in September of 2008 and Bush signed was around $480 billion. Just like all those Democratic claims of jobs Romney shipped overseas. Seems that FactCheck.org checked out that claim and couldn't find them. The same for the new claim of hundreds of companies Romney drove into bankruptcy while making millions personally. They couldn't find those companies. Any resemblence between Democratic campaign claims and the truth is pure coincidence.

You waffling, flip flopping liberals need to make up your freakin' minds. While the republicans were in control the economy was doing just fine. The first 11 months the democrats took control of congress the economy was doing great so according to you it was the democrats that were responsible then when the economy went sour the second year that democrats had control of congress it was the republicans fault.

If we are ever to have any hope of digging ourselves out of this freakin' mess you liberals are going to have to dig your heads out of you asses and realize what happened.

You liberals are the problem pure and simple. You take credit for the good and place blame for the bad. It has always been that way and always will be until we can get rid of you.

American Girl-724855

TO: GT-2021701 who wrote:

"Kennedy. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Obama. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you..."

Well, but Eisenhower didn't run the country into the ground the way George "Curveball" Bush did, nor did Eisenhower lie us into war, nor did he raise the price of gas which caused the majority of Americans deep financial strain in order to buy gas to get to work.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

RedDev, I saw the ad mentioned here and it sounded very effective. Much moreso than a Bain type ad to me. That's why i looked up that info as i was curious as to the details since he could possibly be my President. What i found was very different to what the ad's meaning was. Like you say, we could both get the same sheet of data and present it very differently while both being correct. But then thats what the professional politicians do.

I see two guys running that are the poster children for i'll say what i need to at this moment to make the other guy look bad and get elected. They both flop all over the place. Which leaves me, and probably a lot of others, with the thought of ..... i don't much care what they say because most of what they say campaigning they won't do. Maybe, but i wouldn't put money on it.

We need more people like Ron Paul, not for his policies because i think his foriegn policy is nuts sometimes, but because the guy stands for what he says and doesn't waiver. Kennedy and Reagan were somewhat like that irregardless if you like their policies.

Now it's down to who will muck it up the lesser amount. I have as much excitement over these 2 as a sleeping cat.

Looking like Obama's "best seller" auto-biography / memoir... " Dream From My Father" should have been in the FICTION section....

"New Book Raises Questions About Obama’s Memoir"

"A new book by David Maraniss of The Washington Post claims to document the many ways — some very small, a few large — in which Mr. Obama’s youthfully constructed narrative appears to be contradicted by the people and events in his life.

And the book, available Tuesday, follows reporting in The New York Times and elsewhere over the past half-dozen years that has sometimes called into question parts of Mr. Obama’s life story."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/new-book-raises-questions-about-obamas-memoir/

The New York Times and The Washington Post of all places !!!?!?!?!? Two normally stenographic branches of the Obama WhiteHouse.....go figure

RedDevPS

Oh, the Washington Post.... wow... yeah, they're unbiased... NOT You might as well cite some fabrications by the Huffington Post too.... Liberal dogma machines....

FOX NEWS is a right wing PROPERGANDER machine .They still say they are: FAIR AND BALANCE!!!

The Obama recession (depression according to Biden) has made it impossible for most American's to do summer things.

The Obama recession is killing the American dream.

its too damn hot outside to go do summer things.

about that global warming thing... idk maybe its time to rise and shine.

The Obama recession is killing the American dream.

Redsux -

I believe the recession belongs to "W". He was a great President. LMAO!

GT, that's a good libby. Always keep blaming others. If you recall, Obama and Biden said years ago "we own the economy". LOL

I think that was right before the big summer of recovery tour.

Uh oh. Did't pan out, so let's try to blame someone else again.

Unfortunately for you the American majority believes that Obama has either done nothing to help, or in fact has damaged the economy further.

It's the economy stupid!

LOL

GT, that's a good libby. Always keep blaming others. If you recall, Obama and Biden said years ago "we own the economy". LOL

That's a figure of speech, idiot. You have to put the blame where the blame is due. Right in the lap of the 2000-2006 Repubes

RedSoxRule - it's the facts stupid! A majority of Americans know that Obama inherited this mess and has done a good job in keeping us from a depression. They blame the GOP for making things worse.

You truly need to stay off Fox so you'll have some concept of what the real world thinks/knows!

Obama/Biden 2012

I have never seen a reliable poll showing that "the American majority believes that Obama has either done nothing to help, or in fact has damaged the economy further." Americans still blame Bush for the economy.

60% say President Obama inherited the current economic conditions, compared with 26% who blame his policies for the current state of the economy. Interestingly, more people blame Bush now than a year ago (56% Bush vs. 33% blaming Obama's policies in August 2011).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/26/1103390/-Americans-still-blame-Bush-for-nbsp-economy

You have to put the blame where the blame is due. Right in the lap of the 2000-2006 Repubes

And none of it is owned by the 2007-2010 Democrats with majority. Got it.

Clotho - the far right wants to ignore those statistics. Ignorance is what they count on.

RedSoxDrool-

Do you know Romney is a Red Sox fan? In fact, he was there at Fenway Park when they finally won a World Series after 85 years. Sure he was.......

Romney, who was governor at the time, told an Air Force pilot he was there at Fenway Park for the historic championship-clinching Game 4 of the 2004 World Series. The Truth? No, he wasn't. In addition to the fact that Romney was in New Hampshire campaigning for GW Bush that day, Game 4 was played at Busch Stadium in St. Louis.

TNSEVOL - LOL - Does it surprise anyone that Romney couldn't tell the truth about anything? Mr. Empty Suit!

RCP today shows a bit more than 61% think the country is heading in the wrong direction. as i read most of the posts it seems that many here must count themselves in the minority that think the country is going in the right direction.

to be fair the number that believe we are going in the wrong direction has come down by about 8% since the inauguration though the President has never enjoyed a day where 50% or more thought he was leading in the right direction.

how do you think this weighs on the voters?

Since Seeking Sanity is now a volunteer campaign participant for Obama, is it really fair to allow her a voice on a news blog? How can we have real and substantive policy debate when all we get are posts from her with personal attacks and campaign nonsense. There should be a policy that anyone connected with either the Romney or Obama campaigns in any form should disclose such at the top of each post. These are not people worthy of having a discussion with because they could care less of whether they are right or wrong, just that their man gets elected.

TO: RedSoxRule who wrote:

"The Obama recession (depression according to Biden) has made it impossible for most American's to do summer things. The Obama recession is killing the American dream."

Well, actually Republicans are the ones who drained all or money dry to begin with, now Republicans blame the Democrats for not cleaning up the Republicans' mess fast enough.

Republicans took a healthy American Economy from President Clinton, stole all the money, and ran the country right down into the ground.

If you'd like things to get even worse, just try bringing in the JOBS CREMATOR, Mitt Romney.

If you think Republicans don't give a crap about American Workers now (and Republicans don't give a crap), you just give the keys to the guy who would be Grover Nordquist's dummy, and just sign whatever he's told to sign so that the Rich can become even richer, and the poor, even poorer.

Obama/Biden 2012

I see Kirk is again trying to make it so I can't post because he just can't handle it. Surprise Kirk - many people who post here are probably working for either Obama or Romney to get them elected. It's part of our rights as citizens. The fact that you are either too lazy or too uninterested to work either campaign is your problem not mine.

"not worthy of having a discussion with" I believe describes you to a tee!

Now, run along and find something else to whine about!

For the record, virtually all the non partisan top economists in mid '09' were forecasting it would require 3-4 years to begin seeing a significant recovery given the severity of the '08' crash, with the job market being the last to recover over the following few years. more than this, that it would likely get worse before it got any better. Anyone with any sense ought know that there's no way realistically that the economy could have recovered by '10' after the nature and depth of that fallout. So how Neo-Nuts can be convinced that this economic mess we're still facing is all about Obama, or that Obama made it worse, and it had very little to nothing to do with Bush is laughable at best. It's a well established political science fact that the nation only begins to see the results of a President's policies about the end of his term.

GT-2021701

The Obama recession is killing the American dream.

Redsux -

I believe the recession belongs to "W". He was a great President. LMAO!

NOPE! IT BELONGS TO OBAMA LOCK, STOCK AND BARREL. You may want to cool it with the LMAO. You will probably need your ass to hock if we get four more years of Obama.

@Billybob

That is the "country" heading in the wrong direction. Not Obama leading in the wrong direction. Most governors are republicans at the moment. When congress is held to a standstill and nothing works, both sides will say it is headed in the wrong direction. I think all the anti-women laws trying to be past this year are in the wrong direction. I think keeping the bush tax cuts are in the wrong direction. I think the republicans holding up raising the debt ceiling and causing our credit rating to go down is the wrong direction (which will now cost us more in interest btw).

P.Obama keeps talking about "Headwinds" holding back the economic recovery....Maybe he should just give up trying to be the Captain of the Good Ship America.....A real Captain knows how to Tack and keep the ship moving "Forward" into the wind......

You Dems sure like to rewrite history... the economy tanked when the Liberal "give houses to people who couldn't pay the mortgages" wealth redistribution scheme reached the point where they didn't pay them back... Liberal legislation forced banks to give the loans... liberally protected Fannie and Freddie bought them up... and Liberal legislation allowed them to sell the bad loans to our 401Ks as securities... we taxpayers have taken the hit to bail out the banks (who paid theirs back), and Fannie and Freddie (who still owe the govt nearly $200 million). 401K owners lost about a third of their retirement funds. All so that Liberals could pay off voters with houses... so claim "Bush's fault" all you want... but it was Liberal wealth redistribution that crushed the economy, and Liberal tax and squander policies that are keeping it there....

That's $200 Billion Fannie and Freddie are in the hole

That commit along shows your level or lack of education!

BJ1, that is really really funny. LOL You should find a 4 year old to proof read your work. LMAO

Hey just saw this headline and it looks like Obama is finally becoming a citizen!

Hey "Slingblade", I'll guess you wanna see his birth certificate too!

Let's see Romneys birth certificate....by the way - what is mitts legal address....or hasn't he decided which house he owns is his official home......I hear his address is the basement of one of the son's home's in Mass.

RedSoxRule - and that kind of comment shows how totally ignorant you are. And, it shows you're one of the low information voters. No surprise there!

Obama/Biden 2012

He's honoring active-duty service members on July 4th by hosting a naturalization ceremony. Who would possibly have any criticism about that?

Clotho - it appears RedSoxRule would - as well as many on the far right.

TO: RedSoxRule who wrote:

"Hey just saw this headline and it looks like Obama is finally becoming a citizen!

Obama to Celebrate July 4 with Naturalization Ceremony at White House."

Carnival barker.

Red Sox is just gettin' in his digs. He knew better. But y'all were happy to oblige and did the knee jerk dance for him.

American Girl-724855

You have already proven you are either a liar or completely ignorant by choice.

OK, Job1, you have no business at all criticizing someone else's intelligence.... your "commit along" proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt

Maybe if Obama outsourced his ads to India, his money would go farther and he could still win this thing.

TO: Bob in KC-545426 who wrote:

"Maybe if Obama outsourced his ads to India, his money would go farther and he could still win this thing."

Mitt Romney is the king of oursourcing, but we know that's what Republicans have on their minds, is how many American Jobs they can "outsource" so that the multi-millionaires will know which stocks to buy.

Obama/Biden 2012 for American Workers!

AG - trashing many Americans with your statements. do you really believe that tens of millions of Americans want to do what you claim?

AG -- I presume you are just ill-informed and not a liar.

The new commercial came a day after the Obama campaign picked a very public fight with the independent group, FactCheck.org — and drew a sharp rebuke for its trouble. Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter wrote to argue that the campaign's previous outsourcing charges against Romney and Bain were correct. Factcheck pored over Cutter's six-page complaint and concluded that "it cobbles together selective news snippets and irrelevant securities documents" to make its argument. "In a nutshell, the Obama campaign is all wet on this point."

AG -- How about this information. You may know that the CEO of GE, Jeffrey Immelt, is President Obama's "Jobs Czar". This is one of the problems I have with the President and his decision making skills. The President's campaign, as you have faithfully parroted, is slamming Ronmney for outsourcing jobs while at Bain. The information is from January of 2011.

As the administration struggles to prod businesses to create jobs at home, GE has been busy sending them abroad. Since Immelt took over in 2001, GE has shed 34,000 jobs in the U.S., according to its most recent annual filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. But it's added 25,000 jobs overseas.

billybob - and yet GE is building 4 micro centers in the US to bring jobs back. So, apparently we are doing something right. And, 10 other major companies are bringing jobs back to the US. Companies are finding that wages in China and India are going up while product quality is going down so they are returning to the US.

And, had the GOP not blocked President Obama's plan to give tax breaks to companies bringing jobs back to the US, there would be more.

Obama/Biden 2012

Tax breaks and Obama in the same sentence now that $hit funny I dont care who you are

Hey American Girl, FactCheck.org investigated those claims of Romney shipping jobs overseas and they said the claim were totally bogus. When the asked the Democratic campaign committee for documentation for these claims after their investigation. They came up with one company which started an overseas division 5 years after Bain had sold them. When this was checked out, the company hired people overseas to support an overseas sales jump. The company's US employment actually increased during that period. FactCheck said the Democratic claim of shipping jobs overseas was totally bogus. But the Wall Street Journal article stating the Obama green energy program had created more jobs overseas than in the US went totally unanswered. The article also states the documentation was from the Department of Energy documents gaining from a Freedom of Information request.

Hey, you mean like Obama outsourcing "shovel ready" jobs to the Chinese??? Or his "Jobs Czar" Immelt shipping GE's imaging jobs to China? if the Lamestream media wasn't bought and paid for by Liberals you Dems might know a little about what's going on....

this is gonna be a landslide and they havent even gotten to the debates yet. Obama will have a lot of positive news to stand on.

Dow is up, auto industry is up, credit is coming back online, gas is down (without the pipeline I might add), Affordable Care is set to go, party of No said No too many times, Bin Laden is dead, Iraq is done, Lybia and Egypt got tending to, Iran aint said nothing bout nothing for a minute, ecomony is stable, not growing but stable, Oil spill got handled.

Ok Obama... they hate you and now I see why lol

I feel more sorry for Romney then I did for McCain.

Isaac - Great facts....too bad the GNOPers can't accept facts.

GNOP - THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

I feel more sorry for Romney then I did for McCain.

John McCain actually had a personality. Romney ... is the man like a President Ken doll or what? Looks the part but there just isn't anything inside!

Layton - I believe he's made in the same plastic mold...

isaac -- you need to look to other places for news.

As for Iran: The Islamic Republic announced the "Great Prophet 7" missile exercise on Sunday after a European embargo against Iranian crude oil purchases took full effect following another fruitless round of big power talks with Tehran.

The price of a barrel of oil increased today by 4.7%.

As for Autos:

General Motors (GM) shares fell to a fresh 2012 closing low of 19.57 on Monday. The stock hit 19 in mid-December, the lowest since the auto giant came public at $33 in November 2010 following its June 2009 bankruptcy.

Normally you might say, tough luck investors. But this is Government Motors. The Treasury still owns 26.5% of GM, or 500 million shares. Taxpayers are still out $26.4 billion in direct aid. Shares would have to hit $53 for the government to break even.

Those shares were worth about $9.8 billion as of Monday. That would leave taxpayers with a loss of $16.6 billion.

But that's not the full tally. Obama let GM keep $45 billion in past losses to offset future profits. Those are usually wiped out or slashed, along with debts, in bankruptcy. But the administration essentially gifted $45 billion in write-offs (book value $18 billion) to GM. So when GM earned a $7.6 billion profit in 2011 it paid no taxes.

Include that $18 billion gift, and taxpayers' true loss climbs to nearly $35 billion.

Can you cite a source for your credit claim. Everything I read says credit remains exceptionally tight.

Egypt -- Muslim Brotherhood, not good.

You are happy with a stable economy with very low job growth and 8% unemployment. Not me.

Stock Market up is good but according to the left that only benefits the rich.

ACA will be a disaster IMO. Now the taxes start kicking in full-speed and will hit folks making less than $120k the hardest.

Thanks to the Navy bin laden is dead.

Iraq was pretty much done on the schedule laid out by the previous administration.

Lybia -- I assume you mean Libya. I have not seen much in US based news sources. The UK reports regularly about them. Here is the latest:

Tension between the emerging government and local militias, ethnic clashes in the remote south and moves in the oil-rich east to re-establish a degree of regional autonomy all threatened to disrupt the timetable for elections as 2012 wore on.

Oil spill -- Your view is a bit different than what polls said a couple of years ago: A new Marist poll finds 57% of voters believe President Obama's handling of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is either the same or worse than George W. Bush's handling of Katrina. This includes a third of Democrats, 63% of independents and, not surprisingly, 80% of Republicans. Overall, 53% disapprove of Obama's handling of the crisis.

I do not hate Obama. He is simply incapable of handling the job as President. He has proven how bad an inexperienced orator can be at leading a country.

Romney hasn't a prayer. The debates will dismantle him completely. I recall that some time ago it was being reported that the most prominent Republicans had already thrown in the towel and were looking to '16' when they started seeing that Romney was going to be their guy.

The latest word on how the election is shaping up has those who supported Obama in '08' not being as happy with him today, but are certainly not willing to to give the alternative a chance either from what they see of Romney.

No billybob, you're the one that needs to check your news sources. Most of your lengthy post is full of nonsense that's either been debunked by Factcheck or is largely meaningless. Are you hoping a lot of text listing your ill informed garbelty goop will have some impact? But shall we count the endless list of crap that comes from you and yours? Your credibility is in the toilet. Time to flush.

Isaac Plant

this is gonna be a landslide and they havent even gotten to the debates yet. Obama will have a lot of positive news to stand on.

Dow is up, auto industry is up, credit is coming back online, gas is down (without the pipeline I might add), Affordable Care is set to go, party of No said No too many times, Bin Laden is dead, Iraq is done, Lybia and Egypt got tending to, Iran aint said nothing bout nothing for a minute, ecomony is stable, not growing but stable, Oil spill got handled.

Ok Obama... they hate you and now I see why lol

I feel more sorry for Romney then I did for McCain.

#6.1

I really wonder how the voter is going to take that news. Employment is stagnating in all but the red states. The Dow is up and down and still about points below where it peaked under Bush. Looks like the republicans are going to give Obama what he wants then just before the election ask him how he intends to pay for it. Standard and Poors is waiting for the government to deal with deficit spending before lowering the credit rating once again and if Obama is planning on lowering deficit spending I have not seen it.

And all you liberals dnied like crazy that Obama was not responsile for the price of gasoline and now I wonder how the general public is going to take it now that you all are claiming that Obama brought prices down....just in time for the election.

Looks like you liberals had better hope that the general public is as dumb as you.

Romney, a former CEO vs Obama without a (resume or a) teleprompter... Even with spoon fed questions Romney is going to slice and dice the Affirmative Action poser....

You are obviously severely mathmatically challenged.... the GDP is $15 Trillion, give or take. Healthcare is now nearly $3 Trillion. That's 3000 times the billion dollars that Obama bragged about spending on this election. Of course, if you take into account what Obama would do to the GDP in the next four years, you may be right...

That's the main criticism of this insane court ruling. It means that millionaires and billionaires have thousands of times the say over our government than average Americans. For conservative Constitutionalists, there is no way they can pretend that was the intent of the framers when they drafted the first amendment.

Somehow Scalia, Thomas, et al, who always say the Constitution needs to be read exactly as if it's still the 18th century, have radically altered the meaning in order to allow corporations to control elections.

I recently began delving into the vague differences between a democracy and a republic. Ironically I found that in lieu of how Republicans tend to point out we have a republic and not a democracy, the single difference between the two shows a republic tends to support minorities and the poor, the individual, all individuals equally. Hence is more identifiable with Democrats by definition. While a democracy tends to favor the majority alone and doesn't seek as much to protect the little guy and minorities. The difference is slight and there's a lot of grey area where in some ways we certainly do have a democracy that helps enable the rich and in others we more fit a republic.

Isaac Plant

Michelle is coming down to visit Alabama. If you want to visit with her check the below for how much it will cost. Looks like Obama has the money angle covered.

A general admission ticket to the reception, which begins at 3:30 p.m., costs $200; a ticket to the preferred viewing section costs $500; and a ticket for two that includes a photo with the first lady costs $5,000. For $30,000, supporters can be dubbed co-chairs and will get five tickets to the preferred viewing section as well as a photo opportunity with Obama.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/07/michelle_obama_attending_birmi.html

Notice that Barack Obama will not visit for this fundraiser. He knows he has no chance of winning in Alabama, but he is more than happy to send Michelle swooping in to scoop up the cash.

In other news, Airbus just recently announced construction of a new airplane manufacturing facility slated for Mobile, AL. The facility is projected to create about 1,000 jobs. Looks like another gain for a right-to-work state where union demands do not control !!! LOL !!!!

I suppose Patty Murray will still try to "have the specifications changed" so only Boeing in Seattle will get future contracts.

It was OK back when only unions could buy elections... now that non-union workers and investors also have a say, the Left seems to be whining a LOT.

It is a fact that Romney and those supporting him are using attack ads much more often than Obama and his supporters.

It's amusing watching the teapubes whine about attack ads. LMAO

It would appear that the lie-bies don't know what they are talking about:

http://factcheck.org/2012/07/factcheck-to-obama-camp-your-complaint-is-all-wet/

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/stretching-on-romneys-fees/

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-77-cent-exaggeration/

Jamie Alvarez - and Romney and the Republicans would be eating dry bread, drinking water in Alcatraz!

Oh, you're an idiot!

Obama/Biden 2012

Romney told a new lie:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/03/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-dow-chemical-chose-saudi-arabia-o/

Here in Florida, the big news is how our terrible governor can't stop telling lies.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jul/02/rick-scott/rick-scott-small-business-health-care/

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jul/02/rick-scott/rick-scott-says-medicaid-expansion-will-cost-state/

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jul/02/rick-scott/rick-scott-says-health-care-law-rations-care-syste/

Football.

Exactly Talk!!! Best thing ever!

I hope you 2 mean college football because as we all know the NFL is a bunch of Socialists,with their equal distribution of TV revenue to create an artificial balance between franchises in large metropolises like New York,Dallas,Chicago,et al and the franchises in smaller cities like Green Bay and Buffalo,for example.

Oh and their dictatorial communistic salary cap,destroying the will of the players to perform and achieve to the height of their capabilities. That sucks as well.

Nothing smacks more of Socialism in this country than the NFL.

I think TeaBagger Nation should boycott the sport this fall.

I mean we wouldn't want these simpering idiots to look like a bunch of hypocritical nincompoops would we?

kennyw-

What? Your description helps reveal the hypocrisy of the GOP. Football players already make phenominal salaries by any stretch of the imagination and there's nothing to say they shouldn't seek a career or at least a regular job when they retire from the game, countering the notion that football players should be able to account a lifetime's wages and lifestyle comfort level from their short pro career. You would claim that if they can't make even more money they would be uninspired to perform? When the shoe's on the other foot y'all too quick to point out how folks should have passion for what they do rather than making more and more money. Hypocrite! Salary caps and revenue distribution, given the playing field in the industry, hardly equates Socialism.

Steve-

Google "humor" and "sarcasm" and maybe you'll get my post a little better.

Sheesh.

By the by I'm most definitely NOT on the side of the GOP. I was making a post,somewhat in jest,to poke a little fun at something considered All-American as the NFL being governed by rules that set up a structure that were it applied to other business models would have TeaBagger Nation screaming "Socialism" at the top of their lungs.

But thanks for playing!

kennyw

when dealing with a liberal forget "good humor" and "sarcasm". Even if they did understand they would still try to spin it to make it look like you were dead serious just to forward their liberal agenda.

Rick, stick a sock in it and suck on it. As for Kenny's comment, all football is good! From little league, to high school, college, and the NFL. Stop making something that is such a joy a political statement. And on that note ... GO SAINTS! And if you want to dis' them and what happened this year ... not here and not now .... go to your local pub and just tell them "this woman on FR has a total thing for Sean Peyton and Drew Brees and the rest of the crew ....." And comment away there ....

I'm no socialist, but the NFL is a business.... the owners figured out that two or three teams winning every year just isn't good for business... hence the draft structure, the revenue sharing, the salary caps... and because they're a monopoly there are some rules that got injected by the courts... free agency for example... they've also "shaped" the game rules to attract more fans too... passing vs running for example.... they adapt to succeed...

hummbird - it's so easy for Romney - he just speaks out of the other side of his mouth. Very natural for him!

Obama/Biden 2012

Actually Romney said that neither was a tax m- his or Obama's. Not nice to make up a lie and then condemn the man for saying something that he did not. Of course, liberals believe that the end justifies the means so I guess it is senseless to make such a distinction to you.

watermoon- your right romney says it isnt a tax its a penalty or he just broke his pledge to norquist.

Romney is all tied up in knots

Ken - could not agree more. I'd love to see them limit spending to $10 million and put a 3 month limit on campaigning. Then real issues would be discussed - no money for the stupidity. And, get rid of Citizens United!

Remember that in 2008 McCain and Obama agreed to use just the money allotted by the tax returns and not use outside money. Then George Soros and MoveOn.org told Obama that they were ready to flood him with money and we got the first of a tidal wave of broken promises from Obama. It is so much fun to see the differences in the ads. Obama makes spurious claims against Romney and Romney lets Obama speak for and bury himself.

watermoon- do you twist everything up and never write the truth. Obama refused the govt finance because he mastered the art of the SMALL donor. Same as this year- only difference Romney has 100 millionaires/billionaires willing to donate 1-10 million at a time.

Obama refused public funds because he knew he could outspend McCain 2:1 if he didn't... oh, it was after he said he would... one more Obozo lie... If I had a motor run by Obama lies I could use it for a fan....

Liberals just can't understand that it is possible to disagree and not hate. Really guys, you are the exception, not the rule. Most adult human beings are entirely capable of such an action. No one hates Obama but we just don't idolize him as a god like you people do and realize that he is just in way over his head. It is not his fault that stupid people gave him a job that he was totally unprepared for, and it is not hatred to not want to repeat the mistake.

Watch Friday's job report! Obama will not be able to claim that his program is working after two consecutive weeks like these. Or at least when he does so, no one will believe him.

You talk about tainted and then link rasmussen,lol.

Someone tell Little Ben in Alaska that he has some competition for tossing Scott Rasmussen's salad.

How about Gallup today which had it at 48%-43% Waterloon? Does their poll count?

Or here try this on for size...538.com,which outperformed everyone for predicting the 2008 election (probably because Nate Silver is a number crunching geek and not a pundit or partisan...) by taking the data from most of the big polling services and crunching the numbers that way has some numbers fresh off the presses....

Electoral college forecast (updated July 3): Obama 299.3 Romney 238.7 (trending +11.4 points forObama since June 26)

Percentage chance of winning Electoral College (updated July 3) : Obama 68.3% Romney 31.7% (trending +7.2% for Obama since June 26)

Popular vote (updated July 3): Obama 50.8% Romney 48.2% (trending +0.5% for Obama since June 26)

Every Right Wing blog site on the internet and all the Rightie pundits were having a field day back on June 2 when Quinnipiac's polling had Romney up in Florida by 47-41%. Since then Quinnipiac has done 2 polls in the Sunshine State that have Obama up by 4 points and I haven't seen a mumbling word from those same individuals on those polling results.

It's a long way until November and,as I have said many times on this site I think reading too much of anything into polls this far out is dicey at best,but the last week or so this election---between polling numbers moving his way in the swing states,the SCOTUS decisions on SB1070 and the ACA,Romney and his camp's flubbing of the "it's a tax" attack the GOP wants to try and use (wonder what the inventors of the individual mandate---the wonderful people at the Heritage Foundation---think of that BTW...),the drip,drip,drip of Romney's dealings at Bain and Mittens general inability to connect with...well anyone...it's all taken a turn in the Presidents direction.

Whether that holds,we'll see.

But one thing that is damn sure is that your post is head in the clouds foolishness at best.

Watermoon knows by now he's done here. Say goodnight moonie!

Hi Steve. LOL,see I'm NOT GOP as you seemed to think from reading my little jest post about the NFL.

Have a happy 4th!

Not sure where you get this information but it is irrelevant in this case. There is not another world leader that has respect for Obama, much less one that would funnel money to him. Perhaps Russia or Iran might - thinking that to keep him in power four more years will be the final undoing of America as a world power. Is this what you are thinking?

Watermoon - just a bare faced lie. Many world leaders have great respect for our President - many more than EVER respected Bush. And, to them, Romney is just Bush 2. Please, grow a brain and stop your lies - they're despicable - but sooooooo Republican!

Obama/Biden 2012

Russia is mainly an oil based economy now. The largest in the world exceeding saudi arabia. The oil based countries would like to side with oil based states like texas & louisiana. China would like to see factories and jobs being sent to them as they were during the bushman's administration when he was a puppet for mr grover, the gop, & the rushbo.

But many in the other countries should recall the time when the bushman was president. I swear, and presidential candidate ron paul will back me up on this, that it was the gop who flew the jets into the pentagon & wtc on 911. Based upon that, the potus sent the world's most powerful military force in to iraq and killed the leader there.

And after that, beginning in 2006, the potus had freddie and fannie robo sign thousands of govt backed bad home loans that they knew were bad. 1 of 4 home loans were bad. The bad loans were bundled into $16T in derivatives which banks all over the world bought. When housing prices peaked, the $16T in derivatives became valueless over nite and the entire western financial system nearly collapsed.

I tell you the potus is a powerful person who can affect the lives of everyone in the entire world. Everyone on the planet has a stake in who is elected and most of the world's govts know this too.

Non partisan political scientists have said repeatedly that Obama will likely go down as one of our better Presidents, though he faces bitter resentment today from some. Of course these are the same hard line facts only analysts that claim Reagan was not really as good a President as he's remembered to be. Largely thanks to Peggy Noonan and a crack PR team in the White House to spin agenda and paint a movie role Presidency for their movie actor President.

Keep watching msnbc. Recently saw an interview with Colin Powell talking about one of our greatest leaders, Reagan. Obama is a joke. America divided and out of work. Today he traveled the country spoutingmore of his bs. "Better President"? Yeah, give him another Nobel Prize.....FOR NOTHING! ROMNEY 2012 or we are in big trouble.

does your post mean your not voting for obama/biden in 2012?

your post is kind of disjointed and nonsensical so just wanted to doublecheck what exactly your saying.

chuck-3392754

Thank you Ameri-Cons, Get ready for the next round of death as soon as Obama and his bought and paid for election is over.

TBH, you qualify as either one of the dumbest bastards or one of the biggest drama queens I've run across lately. "Next round of death". LMAO. No one is buying your crap but other idiots.