and this surprises anyone?

Criminal Charges arse.... They want him fired pal... That's what there after not jail. They knew this was going to happen.

I think its time to site some more individuals with contempt charges...

I am very disappointed in this decision. While the Ideologues crow on both sides everyone seems to be forgetting something.

Unlike Watergate, the Lewinsky Scandal, FileGate, and anything else that has happened in the recent past of this country there is a fundamental difference between 'this' scandal and the others. That difference is 300 dead innocent Mexican Citizens, that we know of, and at least one American Border Patrol Agent.

That's a huge difference and an entirely different line to cross. Scores of people literally died because of this program, perpetrated by our government. You cannot and do not ignore this. But in our hyper partisan world it appears that human life has a negligible value over whatever letter comes after your name, be it D or R.

So our government purposefully allows guns to cross into Mexico to the drug lords and you do not think anyone should investigate why on earth we would do this? Ask anyone who knows someone killed by these guns and see if they have the same veiw. Something seems very illegal here. Unfortunately we will never know just what the purpose was. My guess is because it was all illegal to begin with and they just do not want us to know what they were thinking.

Your stupid!

The irony alone needs no explanation.

Shocked! I am shocked! And Boner won't get any speeding tickets in Ohio!

The decision to not prosecute Holder isn't particularly surprising, given that, in his capacity as attorney general, Holder leads the U.S. Justice Department.

I find this line interesting. Just a few months ago you would never find it here. MSNBC continues to surprise me. They never printed anything negative about Obama or his administration before. Wonder if they feel the Change coming too.

I think that the nation is fed up, not just the Republicans, not just the Democrats, Congress is laughing at us all behind our backs, they have their expense accounts, their own retirement, their own healthcare. We get table scraps. I do admit that Repubs are worse by giving more tax breaks to the rich, however they are all from the same mold.

We need statesmen in politics, whatever happened to the "good guys"?

What I don't understand is the following, Holder has been in front of congress multiple times for this investigation and has not answered the question and has given false or misleading answers that he would later send letter to answer.

If he was a normal citizen would he still be walking freely in the USA? As a democrat I want the truth to the questions and let the pieces fall where they may. And if that means the it Holder or anybody else did anything wrong they should be held accountable.

jim

Yea, they will find them right next to all those emails that went missing in 2008.

Remember all the Border Patrol Officers whose lives are on the line every day....NOT just Brian Terry who was slain in 2010......Michael Gallagher and Mark Van Doren were also slain that year, and in 2011, Hector Clark and Eduardo Rojas, Jr. lives were taken......

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_officer_memorial/chron_listing_agents/bp_memorial_2010_lp.xml

So, ANYONE is immune when the Prez invokes Executive privilege.

NO checks and balances.

The social state of the US is making me nervous. Polarized states (as in a country) have big issues that end badly

The ATF & DOJ did not sell the guns & walk them to Mexico - a LEGAL gun dealer in Arizona sold them LEGALLY to a buyer in Arizona who resold them . . all LEGAL in Arizona. The ATF was following these transactions to try to locate drug dealers/etc. How can ATF or DOJ prosecute something that is not a crime under Arizona or US law? Either laws have to be passed to control the sale & resale of guns or people have to accept these transactions.

At least there is still the possibility of a CIVIL ACTION against Holder. Holder cannot block a civil case.

Obstruct, Obstruct, Obstruct

Repeal, Repeal, Repeal

Contempt, Contempt, Contempt

I think thou doth protest too much!

Pukes had their lunches eaten this week.

I thought,

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

That's on page one of the NRA statement. And Issa, and most Republuicans in congress, are A+ rating to the NRA.

So why are guns even being investigated by said Republicans?

They should be investigating the people who committed the crime, instead. Not the guns.

Oh...but they can't, now can they?

So are they walking back the 'guns don't kill people statement' or just indulging in some standard grand-standing?

Barb B-31453

The ATF & DOJ did not sell the guns & walk them to Mexico - a LEGAL gun dealer in Arizona sold them LEGALLY to a buyer in Arizona who resold them . . all LEGAL in Arizona. The ATF was following these transactions to try to locate drug dealers/etc. How can ATF or DOJ prosecute something that is not a crime under Arizona or US law? Either laws have to be passed to control the sale & resale of guns or people have to accept these transactions.

The dealers were told by the BATFE to sell the guns to these people that were known criminals.

tothetop777

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL something tells me your a fat slob that sits behind your computer getting your giggles thinking your hotsh## on here. I bet your on Welfare. How much Obama food stamp bucks is feeding your piehole every 5 minutes? Please enlighten us. Two quarter pounders today? Food stamps I don't think work for those actually. When is the last time your fat a## filed a tax return? I somehow would love to meat a person like you in person. You act so pompus behind your computer it is sick. Feisty? I bet you are. Pull out the 4 size to small floss out of your lower smile and I bet you would feel a little better. Bag!

Wow. Simply sensational! Can't spell or formulate a proper sentence. You seem to have a strong understanding of this theoretical daily activity as well. I'm assuming you just described any given day in your life. With such detail too. tothetop777....... you are what we call Klassy.

People need to understand guns have been going to mexico for a long time,what i'm asking why do people need assault rifle's can't hunt with them.

Yep, didn't expect anything else. This dirty mess goes all the way to king obama. What are they hiding? the fact that they knew all about this and trying to cover it up. Sad that there is no justice for Brian Terry and his family. holder and obama have American blood on their hands. and you want 4 more yours of this stench?

There's still the matter of a civil case, it's not over. So you Liberals don't think the Terry's are worthy of an explanation nor the families of the Mexican's who've been murdered. You sorry bunch of hypocrites, you would pick party over truth how pathetic.

I don't know why the Republicans are upset over F&F--don't they know that guns don't kill people? People kill people. Or was that a Republican lie?

Yep .. America is so freaking great. CORRUPT, GREEDY, LAZY AND VIOLENT

Can't wait to move out.

"I am very disappointed in this decision. While the Ideologues crow on both sides everyone seems to be forgetting something.

Unlike Watergate, the Lewinsky Scandal, FileGate, and anything else that has happened in the recent past of this country there is a fundamental difference between 'this' scandal and the others. That difference is 300 dead innocent Mexican Citizens, that we know of, and at least one American Border Patrol Agent.

That's a huge difference and an entirely different line to cross. Scores of people literally died because of this program, perpetrated by our government. You cannot and do not ignore this. But in our hyper partisan world it appears that human life has a negligible value over whatever letter comes after your name, be it D or R."

This is the most intelligent thing I've seen posted on these boards in a while. Most of these other political "scandals & controversies" referred to above were simply embarrasing. They didn't cause anyone to die due to wrong decision making. But this program, under Holder's watch (& possibly under the prior administration's watch so they shouldn't get a pass either), caused the death of at least one U.S. law enforement officer and scores of Mexican citizens. Those are facts. Anyone and everyone who had anything to do with this program, regardless of whether they were in this admin. or the prior admin. should be investigated and prosecuted. To hell with all of the D & R politics...what is right is right. All documentation should be turned over for investigation.

The only incidence that rises to this level of seriousness that comes to my mind would have been the Iran/Contra controversy. Weapon sales were involved in that situation as well. What happened? People within the Reagan administration WERE prosecuted. It should be the same here.

Having the Justice Dept decide whether the Atty General is guilty of Contempt of Congress is like having NAMBLA decide if Jerry Sandusky is a good guy.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Shame conservatives have never learned the art of loosing gracefully! lol

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Yes, just like parents don't like loosing their children gracefully in this situation. I'm a true redhead and you make me want to change my hair color with the spite and hate you spew on these sites. I haven't figured if you are just immature or really an unhappy hateful person.

I'm guessing your republicans don't remember (or don't want to remember) a guy named Ollie North who sold drugs to buy arms for our enemies on behalf of then president Reagan? And then was pardoned by a republican president. Where was your rage then? oh yeah, you where cheering the drug dealer as a hero.. so shhhhhhhh

gmainco

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Shame conservatives have never learned the art of loosing gracefully! lol

It's not about winning and losing, it's about right and wrong.

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The letter notes that during the Reagan administration, DOJ took the position that the contempt statute could not constitutionally be applied to an official who asserts the president's claim of executive privilege. That policy was first articulated in a memo written by Ted Olson when he was at DOJ in 1984.

Cole writes that the position has been asserted several times since then, most recently during the Bush administration in 2008."

there you have it. deal. we've been sending weapons and money both legally and illegally for a century. deal with it or change it, but get off your high horse like this is something created by obama.

saint raygun started it, your boy bush JUST did it.

nice witchunt. you lost. deal.

Who's responsible for Brian Terry's death?

Apparently AG Holder didn't care, nor other Government Officials. They never got a call from anyone, with condolences/or apologies.

This is what was at the Heart of the Fast and Furious Program--he was killed by the Government's irresponsibility of letting 20,000 US guns go to the Drug Cartel. No tracking of the weapons.

There are no winners here. It is a very sad day.

Watch the Civil Suits come in against the Government and Eric Holder---Brian Terry died in Vain doing his job as a Border Patrol Agent. May he rest in Peace, of which there is none here in the US.

Amazing that the same Republicans who are upset about this had no problems with the thousands murdered by Bush/Cheney all in the name of profit for their buddies. Where was the outrage then and now?

How interesting to see the "conservatives"being SOOO concerned about someone that is older than 9 months old and is dead by guns. Oh Yeah! and about HAVING GUNS. The NRA allows for the sale of more "legal"vguns in the border towns that any Government agency would.It is a FACT that most of thte guns of the cartels are guns that are purchased legally in this country, before they go to Mexico.

So let me get this straight. All of you happy triggers are ok with guns distributed by the NRA to WHOEVER but the Fast and Furious operation cost the LIFE of ONE PERSON and you are up in arms?

Are you suffering from MYOPIA? Have you read the news how many were killed last night here in this country BECAUSE OF GUNS? ANYTHING TO BASH THE DEMOCRATS! YOU ARE unreal!

Time to wake up folks, here's a couple of fun numbers for you: 50% of Congress is in the top 1%. There is no difference between Rep or Dem. Our so called representatives are only in place to serve the corporations that put them there. If you want to know who owns these corporations, look at forbes, they make lists for us every year. We are being manipulated to fight amoung ourselves to distract us from what's really happening. It's true that corporations make our laws now and these corporations are ultimately controlled by a few banking families. Do some research. We're all just pawns to them, and certainly not human.

I understand your sympathy Roger, Dave from somewhere in California and the rest of you. I too sympathize with the family of the murdered Border Patrol agent, but where is the sympathy for my family member who was killed in Iraq? If "charges can be brought" after the fact then George Bush and especially Dick Cheney need to be brought to justice.

so then why are they pursuing George Zimmerman?

Robert lotsa numbers-----You really think the PP+ACA (AKA Obama care even though congress not him created the bill) is the largest tax increase in the history of the world? Are people in the bubble that delusional? I won't bother explaining anything beyond that it is a $95 penalty if rich people don't buy health insurance...

sirie....I agree with you 100%. It's time Americans take back their country and install a government that is for the people and of high moral standards....BUT....it'l never happen in our lifetimes!

Really? You crybabies make it sounds like the Mexicans were just running around killing each other with bananas before the Obama guns showed up.

Give it a rest... those guns were a drop in the bucket. The intentions of the program were good and the murderers would have had a gun regardless. This did NOT cause any deaths.

Broken citizen----You are so right....And it is human nature of hate and division that they use against us...You say pawns,I say slaves...

If you spell ISSA backwards, you got A-S-S - I

Well Ms. Issa, don't be too hard on yourself and call yourself A-S-S? The 'I' is he calling himself

So ISSA is an A-S-S hidden inside

Just like a water borne parasite, once in your system, it’s almost impossible to get rid of.

Holder is a pawn of the administration, and deserves to be fired and in jail. I say a class action citizens arrest for violating our civil rights under the constitution for justifying killing of Americans without due process. He is no AG that I have respect for.

Let's see. Executive privilege under Reagan and Bush. Yeah but nobody died because of ... guns to Contras ... er, or mis-leading Congress about Iraq ... um ... well, I guess a few people did die. Never mind.

jdmbo3,

"It's not about winning and losing, it's about right and wrong."

You're right. It should be about right and wrong. But I don't think that is what this is about. It's about politics.

Chortle! It's a freakin' tsunami of TeaGoobs... they're everywhere, like security cams and empty Depends boxes at Dick 'The Dick' Cheyney's house.

Btw, tothetop777 - did you ever even escape the 3rd grade?!

We're winning! Do not relax yet tho. Let's run these unhonorable americans into the ground. HARD!!!! NOW!!!

WE may not find them this lame and weak as they are right now. EVER again.

A heart felt congatulations to OUR honorable DOJ representative Mr. Holder.

Quoted from the article: "The letter notes that during the Reagan administration, DOJ took the position that the contempt statute could not constitutionally be applied to an official who asserts the president's claim of executive privilege. That policy was first articulated in a memo written by Ted Olson when he was at DOJ in 1984. Cole writes that the position has been asserted several times since then, most recently during the Bush administration in 2008."

It is particularly disquieting that although many of you who regularly post on these Newsvine threads reliably show your lack of reading comprehension (or that you haven't even bothered to read the article before posting your strong opinions) ... you will nonetheless exercise your uniformed votes in November.

Yes, disquieting indeed. No wonder we have the quality and nature of Congress we presently have; which hisses and slithers the halls of Capitol Hill.

Of course the 'justice' department headed by Holder won't uphold the law against Holder, this has been about corruption from the beginning.

Rather than pursue the truth, he under Obama's direction have tried to hide from it.

I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either, though I am an ex-Democrat now.

And I voted for Obama last time.

But I don't care WHO is responsible, as long as the truth comes to light. If Obama and Holder are innocent allow all the facts and documents to be seen in the clarifying light of day and let them be exonerated. If Obama and Holder were involved, then let it be known and so be it.

Brian Terry and his family deserve actual true justice. And that can't happen while the government is hiding documents that may pertain to the botched gun walking scheme and who ever is responsible may still be hidden.

The Obama administration here is just acting completely shamefully.

JPM77,

"If Obama and Holder are innocent allow all the facts and documents to be seen in the clarifying light of day and let them be exonerated."

That sounds like a good idea on the surface, but maybe the fact is that not all documents can be released without jeopardizing ongoing Justice Deparment operations. Remember, Congress leaks like a sieve.

Wet Willy

When you have a criminal in charge of the AG office, the rule of law no longer exists. Apparently, they can do anything they please.

Did you read the article at all beyond the headline? Of course not, what was I thinking? According to the article the first time a similar situation came up was during the Reagen administration, also during the Bush administration. Were their AG's criminals too?

lets get this staight Clinton lied noone died, bush lied, thousands died. Now you wanna blame Obama for a program bush started? Republicans are the elite and those they manage to convince in the poor and middle class that they to are rich. Wake up and read the tax laws and ask yourself why am I paying 30% in taxes while the millionaires pay 15% and cry when they don't get a tax break that benifit them and pass when we talk abot the taxes paid by the working class. Google tax rates history, you will see how the rich have become our masters and we the nonrich slaves, I am amazed at how the republicans have brainwashed and convinced middle class and poor americans to pay more to benifit the rich.

How about if DOJ prosecutes Holder it also prosecutes Ashcroft, Gonzalez, Cheney, Libby, Rummy. Condomee, and all the other war criminals and other criminals who run both political parties? Be fair right wingers- hate not just the democrat corrupt guys but hate also the GOP corrupt guys too. Otherwise, you are just blindly partisan sheep, toddling along like brainwashed infants...

Hahahaha, Jon Stewart of the Daily Show summed this up so well mocking rightwingers/FOX Noise and over-used exaggeration in comparing Fast and Furious to Watergate:

"The Daily Show" host pointed out that this isn't the first time the GOP faithful have evoked the crisis that brought down Richard Nixon's government to slam Barack Obama.

From the president's handling of the Gulf oil spill to national security leaks, Watergate has been a favorite talking point for Obama's critics, Stewart noted.

It's popping up once again now that the Obama administration has asserted executive privilege to shield Justice Department documents related to Fast and Furious, a program that shipped illegal guns to Mexico in order to track drug dealers. The president's stance, conservatives argued in clips shown on "The Daily Show," made Watergate look like "child's play."

"Fast and Furious would be like if Monica Lewinsky went down on Iran-Contra during the Bay of Pigs invasion," Stewart quipped.

He noted, however, that Fox News, which was the platform for many of the comments he showed, has its own link to that famous scandal in Roger Ailes The news channel's president was a media consultant for Nixon.

“They throw around the term ‘Watergate’ so much at Fox you’d think the guy running Fox had been a Nixon operative in the...Oh my god, oh my god, it’s Watergate-gate," Stewart said after cutting to a photo of Ailes meeting with Nixon.

Seriously, rightwingers need to read the Washington Post and Fortune articles, and turn off FOX Noise. There is no there there -- Enough!

Read the article about the so called fast and furious. There was no gun walking, only poor gun control laws in Arizona. That's why the NRA has its panties in a twist. No one has identified the gun that killed that officer. The main witness of Issa's committee was the only person guilty of truly buying guns to sell to drug dealers. He needs to be prosecuted. I'm frankly tired of all the histrionics and hate generated by the nutjobs in Congress. They almost make the tea party seem normal.

The NRA is nothing like it was 30-40 years ago. They have lost sight of the original vision of what it was created to be. The NRA has become nothing but a political circus that should be disbanded and abolished..."from my cold, dead hands" indeed...

Issa is nothing but a criminal, and should be serving time. That being said, he is also the 21st. century's Joseph McCarthy, and will end up destroying his career like McCarthy did. Issa will FAIL and FAIL miserably, plunging the the GOP deeper into toilet than it already is.

To that I say good riddance! He is demonizing Holder, plain and simple. This is what witch hunts are all about.

This article about sums it up regarding F&F:

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?hpt=hp_t2

Issa knows there is NO PROOF to tie Holder or the Obama Administration to Terry's death. But that won't stop them from trying, now will it...what Issa should be doing is investigating the Arizona lawmakers who have ignored pleas to tighten gun regulations in their state to keep this crap from happening in the first place.

According to the GOP:

Ollie North = good

Eric Holder = baaaaaad

According to the GOP:

Iran-Contra = good

Wide Receiver = good

Fast and Furious = baaaaaaad

GOP = Party of convenience and hypocrisy, and plunging their party into the dark ages, one symbolic witch hunt at a time...but you just keep on focusing on renaming post offices, and approving commemorative coins...it seems that's what they do best these days.

Of course they won't prosecute. They have no real evidence. This is nothing more than a political charade.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011. This was done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States. "Gunwalking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF allowed thousands of guns to be bought by suspected straw purchasers, who were believed to be working on behalf of Mexican drug cartel arms traffickers ("gunrunners").

WHO WAS PRESIDENT IN 2006? Clue: NOT OBAMA! WHO WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL IN 2006? CLUE: NOT ERIC HOLDER

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division. With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border", Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.^[25] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.

At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms. As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives

This entire thing is partisan politics at it's worst. Let's investigate the entire thing starting with Bush, Alberto Gonzales, Paul Clement, Peter Keisler, and Michael Mukasey.

I just wish the RNC would drop this hole thing...Yes,Yes I know, he is guilty, and this is just more Chicago Thuggery, from an Administration that doesn't understand the roles of government...and yes it is Sad

But I also know, what all Americans know in their hearts, and Boehner knows it too...If you came in, in the middle of the day, and Built Prison Walls around our Government, the percentage of people trapped within those walls who deserved to be in prison, would be about the same as any other prison in America...We are tired of one set of liars and criminals, calling the other set of liars and criminals, liars and criminals...

If you (both of you) refuse to do your Jobs and govern this country than at least do the honorable thing and show up in the parking lot after school and settle it like men...what a bunch of whiney crybabies

Hey Devil's Son, you left one critical lib excuse out of your lame "it's Bush's fault" diatribe.....the GOP contempt citation is racist. How could you forget? Shame on you!

I gotta say I have never see such a display of pure ignorance as I see here.

It is so clear and obvious this has been a witch hunt to get back at Holder for interfering with the crimes of voter surpression by so many state governors, all Republicans, that know they will lose the 2012 election big time for their terrible record in congress and in the halls of state capitals.

For you guys that buy the crap about massive voter ftaud, do your home work unless you are afraid what you will find. The actual fraudulent voting is so tiny as to be almost non existant. This is the same kind of lies as "Iraq has weapons of mass destructions" or, "Iraqi oil will pay for the war".

If the Republicans in congress wanted to know about the weapons deal, why didn't they ask any of those that began the operation during the Bush administration? Even then it was a well intentioned plan that didn't work. When the democrats took over they thought it was a good idea and changed the name, When Holder found out what it was all about he ended the program. CHECK IT OUT OR STAY STUPID!

Get a grip.

Permit me to summaize: The Department of Justice led and controlled by Holder will not prosecute Holder! Shock!

BTW--- I am a Democrat--- It's not appropriate for the DOJ led and controlled by Holder to make the decision as to whether to prosecute Holder! That's called a CONFLICT OF INTEREST!

What a travesty of Justice. Sad, just sad.

It is pretty upstting to to me to read all of these one sided back and forth bickering comments from so many in this country. Does no one really care what is going on anymore ? Are we all just blind to any view that differs from our own ? Hope if gone for the majority of Americans today from our high school students to the elderly grasping for life itself. We must throw party affiliations aside and get behind people who genuanly want to do go for the people. We need people who are strong and brave enough to fight for us all not a select few. We need people who will fight corporate greed, union corruption and greed, stop massive imports of goods once made in this country to bring jobs back. We need real Americans in office at every level. What we are seeing is the poorest example of how a country should be run .Our congress and President are acting like school kids at recess. Fighting and pointing fingers at one another and letting the ship sick all the while. You morons on here who think your party is best are blind as bats, We have to look past party lines if this country is ever to be righted. If every person seated in congress today is not removed when their terms run out and this president isn't booted as well this term I see nothing but massive distruction within our boarders in the furure. 9/11 continues to work it seems. We have turned on ourselves.

Tea bagging extremist in government are a bunch of blow hard know nothings when it comes to law in particular. They love to talk the law how everyone should follow the law except them. They have not a clue. They are unable to even consult a good lawyer before making fools of themselves to the legal community. Most of the lawyers they have consulted in the past assume wrongly that there political bias may be not only indicated in pursuing as such but able to rewrite it towards there own bias. ; ]

PA THET IC . ;]

Cheers

the system is so broke and corrupt...it's only a matter of time...

So, the party that is constantly complaining about spending and waste has done it again. All they ever do is spend our money and waste our time. They knew nothing would come of this, before the vote the truth about "Fast and Furious" was coming out, but did they stop and look at what the evidence said? No, they catered to the NRA (lobbiest and not voted for) to tell them what to do. When will congress understand that the people that elect them in do not elect the NRA or Grover Norquest. When will they actually start working for the people. After all doesnt it say "WE THE PEOPLE" not "WE THE CORPORATIONS" and not "WE THE LOBBIESTS"

it's really time for the Greedy Ol Party to go away... they hate the President, they prey on the poor, they despise Mexicans (unless they can use them and not get caught doing so), they think it's their right to shoot people who don't dress according to their hoyle, they are name calling, judgmental jerks who pretend to justify their actions by thumping a bible when they really have no clue what Jesus was about or stood for, they worship the rich, they believe if they aren't yet it just hasn't been their turn, and most of all someone has taught them to use computers and now they won't shut up about any little thing they can mold into something with their dirty minds and hands. Progressives and liberals... register and get ready to vote in droves this November. Let's give this president what he needs to really make changes... a democratic-controlled house and senate!

There are crooks and con men, liars and arrogant narcissists, corrupt men with no soul, conscience or morals. One of them has managed to become the President of this country and surround himself with equally foul people.

Many of us recognize this and will work to correct the mistakes before the country is completely lost. What is most troubling are the number of people who are actually supporters of this Administration. I can only think of 3 reasons for this,

1. You have no sense of history or how things work. You've never learned that every time this stuff has been tried, it has ended BADLY. All your information comes from the box in your living room. In other words, you're just ignorant to the world around you and support this guy because it's the fashionable thing to do.

2. You know in your heart that this clown is causing huge, irreparable damage to the country, but don't care. You are greedy and you know you can have free stuff; education, food stamps, health care, mortgage and debts forgiven, maybe a government job doing nothing. The fact that the future of the country will be mortgaged to the Chinese or that someone else will have to pay for this, is of little concern.

3. You are as corrupt and evil, arrogant and smug as your hero, the Dear Leader. You believe in Socialism and that big government can do everything better than the private sector. You hate America, the principles it was founded on, and you care nothing for the blood, hard work and sacrifice that made America great. You view the Constitution as an outdated relic to be ignored and tossed aside or "interpreted" to mean whatever you want it to say. You are a progressive who favors tearing down the nation and rebuilding it as some kind of Utopia where everyone is cared for.

Regardless which one you are, the fact that there are so many of you, causes me to be pessimistic about the future of this Nation. I have met great men, heroes who parachuted into Normandy, flew B-17s over Germany, fought the Chinese in Korea and the radical Muslims in crapholes around the world. I am especially sad for those who have willingly gone off to fight, some to never return, just so you can have the freedom to sit on your ass, demand free stuff, vote to give up our liberties and be a cheerleader for some sideshow hack from Chicago.

Typical Republican. Calling someone else a pinhead. Your party is wasting our time and dollars chasing something your party under G Bush from grand ole Texas started. Who's the pinhead????

It's a shame that most people on here argue back and forth saying the repubs done this and the dems done that when in fact both parties are equally at fault for the entire mess this country is in. Common sense would show that.

As far as holder goes, that can be blamed on obama. He's the one enabling holder by using executive privilege and keeping the Docs out of congress' hands. Did anyone really think obama would let his boy holder face justice for allowing weapons to be sold to mexicos drug lords and used to kill American citizens?

It's really unfortunate that we have elected officials in office that could care less about America or the American citizen. I am by NO means a romney fan but 4 more years of obama and we will really be screwed. It's a real shame that we have to vote for the less of 2 evils whoever it might be. Either one will hose us but we've already seen what obama's capable of.

Gotta love holder. He prosecutes 3 navy seals for back handing a known terrorist in the mouth when bringing him to justice for crimes he committed but refuses to prosecute the black panthers, who were video taped, intimidating white voters on election day in Pa. What a Stand Up Guy holder and obama are. It's my opinion that had the slain border agent been black instead of white we wouldn't have this situation. As I say,that's my opinion after watching holder these past couple years.

Pippo Schillaci I gotta say I have never see such a display of pure ignorance as I see here.

It is so clear and obvious this has been a witch hunt to get back at Holder for interfering with the crimes of voter surpression by so many state governors

You criticizing others for their display of ignorance is laughable. The only problem with your analogy is the fact that this started way before Holder decided to interfere in the State voter laws. Brian Terry was killed on Nov 11, 2010. Holder filed against Florida June 2012. But I do realize that the liberal media hasn't covered the subject for 2 years, so your excused for not know what in the heck you are talking about.

Of course all Congress has to do is not fund the DOJ( if they ever pass a budget) and then they will get the last laugh.......yes I know parts of the DOJ are very important and we really do need them but it is interesting food for thought.

Notacommie

Great Post! I believe I would have listed greed as the primary cause however, You really can't blame the poor sheeple for their ignorance of history, that is how the system has been set up, to keep them literally, fat, dumb, and happy, soft, with a pliant mind that can be used for whatever purpose their Communist/ Socialist handlers need for Them to do at the moment. The true ideologs can accomplish this simply by working them into a frenzy by going onto one of their propaganda media organs and working the poor pathetic brain washed creatures into a frenzy by repeating over and over that THEIR Government feeding trough is in danger, and They might not be GIVEN THEIR FAIR SHARE! As for their arrogance and rude smugness,that is on display everyday on sights like this ,it is just a byproduct of Their conditioning to never question what They are told by their Socialist/Communist designated front men or women,(Good looking Politicians,Movie Stars, Celebraties,etc.), and if anybody dares to question what they have been told to believe, Those people are to immediately be shunned,insulted, and made fun of, but most of all, never, NEVER, listened to!Fortunately Folks like You are still out there and every now and then, here and there,a few of the comrades dare to listen, independent thought is ignited, questions are asked,answers are sought and a new seed of freedom is planted.

If Bush and Ashcroft had flooded the illegal market with assault rifles, you can bet your sweet backside that Democrats and the liberal media would have put them on trial and made headline news about it daily and called for their resignations. WITHOUT A DOUBT. This F&F debacle was nothing but a ploy by the Obama administration to clamp down on gun dealers...flood the market with guns to Mexican drug dealers/gangs and then point the finger at gun dealers. Then use that as a baseline to clamp down on guns period. We all know that. There is a LOT of onion to peel back here and it goes all the way up to Obama's desk.

Now, with that said, I couldn't help but address this liberal clown: Thou Shall Not Teabag

In the mean while we got a President that ended the war in
Iraq, killed Osama Bin laden

The Iraq timeline was signed by Bush in 2008. Obama had about as much to do with that decision as Code Pink. Bin Laden was years in the getting by the CIA and military. Obama got to hit a little green button and got out of the way of others doing their jobs (what a concept). Next.

took on the third world piece of sh!t health care
“system,” that has plague us for decades,

My health care has been fine. And anyone who claims that we have a third world health care system clearly has NOT been to the third world (as I have). You liberals and your hyperbole wouldn't know what a real struggle is because most of you people have never set a FOOT outside of the United States. And how about those Canadians that come to America for certain procedures because the backlog is too long in their wonderful "free" health care system? And besides, Nanny Pelosi said they had to pass Obamacare so we could even find out what's in that 2.500 page document that NO senator ever read even close to its entirety. Yeah that Obamacare that Pelosi said would "almost instantly" create 400,000 new jobs. yeah THAT Obamacare that he said would "only" cost $800 billion yet has doubled in cost estimate by the CBO...nearly two years before it even starts taking effect. Laughably delusional. Just wait until all you people with employee paid health insurance get your healthcare dropped by your employee and you are forced to buy your own insurance. Have fun with that! You liberals really do live in a Utopian vacuum, don't you?

introduced viable legislation to
create jobs, but you guys rather see us all suffer instead of implementing the
legislation to get us all back to work. Tell me what is your purpose in life?
Are you just here to destroy what’s left our once great Nation? You guys obviously
don’t care for the people!!!

I don't even know where to start on that insensible drivel. What legislation has Congress brought before Obama to sign for jobs? You mean that near trillion dollar "stimulus" bill that was to keep unemployment from going above 8% that was signed three and a half years ago? The one that was to have created all those "shovel ready" jobs? All those "green energy" jobs? How about it Solyndra! The rest of that nonsense isn't even worth addressing.

What have you
Tea-Baggers brought to the table??? Let’s see, the first credit downgrade in
the U.S. history, ZERO, AND I REPEAT, ZERO, NADA TO HELP THE PEOPLE, the worst
congress in our history, shame to every U.S. citizen, and resident, misery,
hunger, despair, need I go on??? You morons have done nothing to mitigate all
of socioeconomic problems that all of your policies left behind we are a broken
nation thanks to your stubbornness and ridiculous mind set.

Speaking of living in a vacuum, where to start here...let's see...Oh I know! The credit downgrade was brought by OUT OF CONTROL DEFICIT SPENDING! Yeah the spending that Obama has done more of in three years than in ALL of Bush's eight, INCLUDING Bush's two wars COMBINED (that Democrats voted for and support, mind you)! Democrats had full control of Congress with a SUPER majority (Senate, House) after the 2006 mid-terms up until 2010 when the GOP got the House back (heavily weighted to outrage over Obamacare...buh bye Pelosi!). That's how they got Obamacare rammed through in the middle of the night with zero GOP support. Oh, by the way, when was the last time Harry Reid's Senate has passed a budget? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? And you have the gall to say Republicans are "in the way" when they only control just over 1/2 of 1/3 of Washington with 58% of the House seats? How deranged can a liberal get?

Wake up, live and let live.

Laughable. A liberal that loves cradle to grave nanny statism has the gall to mention live and let live as if he/she believes in the individual and liberty! LAUGHABLE!

Let our President do his job, have some decency and tell the
criminals that you put in our congress that is time for them to work for the
people, not for themselves and the corporations enough is enough!!!

But that's just it. Obama thinks that Congress IS in his way and even SCOTUS (he was very lucky Roberts voted the way he did...and well done Justice Roberts for stirring up Americans and sealing Obama's re-election fate this November!!). Obama himself has said that what Congress won't do, he'll do himself. Damn that Constitution. Now if he can just get a budget going.

See you at the polls in November when my vote cancels your vote out, TSNT!

Romney 2012 - Restore America

"Government is like an infant. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." -- Ronald Reagan

Only the ignorant people are posting statements against the president and Holder on the Fast and Furious story. Repeat, only the ignorant.

ATF agents were TRYING to put a stop to guns going to Mexico because of lax NRA gun laws in Arizona.

When ATF agents documented guns going to Mexico, and tried to get the prosecters to make arrest warrants the prosecuters told them it was not against the law in Arizona to do this.

The gun list documented by ATF showed two guns that ended up near the murder scene of the killed agent.

Arizona laws protect the gun runner who bought the guns legally and allowed them to go to Mexico.

Blame the NRA, that's why the NRA is making up stories against ATF and the president. NRA is guilty. It is a big business selling guns to anybody.

Issa knows this story but is not trying to solve a murder, he is going for other records that don't apply to this case. Trying to find something on Holder or anyone like repubs did to Clinton.

ISSA is a traitor by not trying to solve the murder.

READ THIS OVER AND OVER until you understand , so you will quit making ignorant posts.

Jhawke....The Chinese have flooded the market on the products Solyndra was making, China subsidized the hell out of those products so they have a worldwide monopoly with unreal lower prices deliberately making all other companies in competion with them to fail.

As a member of a motorcycle club that has run in with the law on occassion, it makes me swell with gratitude that Obama and Holder can break the law and get away with it. I really don't give a rats azz about Obama, Bush, Holder or politics in general. If I BREAK the law I have the sames right as those azzholes. They are no better than me. You can't have your cake and eat it too with out sharing that piece of cake.

What evidence does Mr. Issa have? Remember when he was younger the LAW had alot of evidence agaisnt Mr. Issa and his brother among others. So much so his brother did or is doing time.

So again how much and what evidence is there in this case. Evidence sighted and used not speculation? OPhh. None. That's why the case wont be pursued and he is not arrested. They had more on The Bush Man J. R. s' guy Alberto Gonzales and nothing happened to him. So come off it mate. Jog on. ;]

Cheers

Jhawke:

What a moronic rant, it had to come from a resentful, close
minded Tea-Bagger. The saddest part is that because of the pathological
condition that those like you suffer you actually believe everything you wrote.
I’m going to leave it at that, there’s no point in arguing with pathological liars
and delusional individuals. Poor you, you’re like an addict in denial. You can’t
be helped.

Do enjoy the real changes that are about to come. We the people voted for change; the party of "no" and the obstructionist are done!!! Have a wondreful and progressive day!!!

The definition of "child's play" is what's between the ears of Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. I was LMAO listening to Palin mocking President Obama's intelligence -- Oh my!

JHawke,

"Romney 2012 - Restore America"

That's right. Elect Romney and restore America to the 18th. century; never mind that we are living in the 21st. century.

I guess we can just forget about jobs and the economy being a priorityfor Romney, if for some reason or fluke Romney get to be our next President, I want all of you all to acknowledge that he has stated that his first day in office, he will repeal obamacare. Somehow the economy doesn't matter as much as getting rid of the health care bill. I bet he didn't even realize what he was speaking. I bet President Bush voted for President Obama in 2008 and I bet he will vote for him again in November. Bush voted for Obama!

the doj declined to prosecte because the case will be laughed out of any court. The repubs are witch hunting, and I feel for you buying their crap.

Mickey-1983943

JHawke,

"Romney 2012 - Restore America"

That's right. Elect Romney and restore America to the 18th. century; never mind that we are living in the 21st. century.

LMAO, like antique furniture, maybe refurbish something the Republicans broke? But in it's entirety the slogan is "Restore Our Future," which is even funnier. How do you reinstate something that hasn't happened yet?

You are correct that "Restore America" is worse than the status quo -- It is going backward by definition of returning to some former condition. It's so Romney.

So who is going to be 'taxed' because of Obamacare?

The answer, according to Obama, is about 30 million people from the Middle Class who do not currently have health insurance but will be required to buy it now. It's not the 'poor' because they qualify for free Medicaid - at taxpayer expense. It's not the 'rich' because they already have insurance - so who's left? The Middle Class. Show me where I'm wrong - if you can.

Now consider the 'real life' issue. Obama says that these 30 million people will now be required to purchase health insurance, and they are typically those in the lower Middle Class income class that are struggling to make ends meet. If a family of 4 is struggling on an income of $30,000 per year (about $2,000 per month after payroll taxes) and must now spend $10,000 per year on medical insurance (estimated cost for a family of 4), where's it going to come from? They simply cannot afford it, so now they will have to go without insurance AND be fined (about $400 in the first year, and about $2,800 in the third year).

The ironic part is that the people who will be fined (taxed) will be the very same group that voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 - I guess that's what some might call 'retribution'.

By the way – the cost of Obamacare has now ballooned to $1.76 Trillion over 10 years (and rising), according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) – the link is below;

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/1175831

My dear ROYWILSON-336103, even thou we don’t see each other eye to eye on many
topics you know darn well that we agree on many others. Despite of what other
posters here on the vine think of you I believe that you’re a reasonable man,
therefore please recheck those facts of yours because they’re wrong. The only
people that’s going to pay a penalty are those who make over U$ 90,000.00 a
year, and the penalty is a miserable 95 dollars, that’s it Roy 95 dollars for
those who make over ninety thousand a year in exchange for everybody else
including them to have access to affordable health care. So, Roy please proves
all the other people that criticize you wrong. Think about it, you’re a smart
man, it’s time to put the partisan bull sh!t aside and do what’s best for our
country.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/06/06/cbo-report-shows-stable-budget-is-possible-but/184456

and http://mediamatters.org/issues/health-care, sure Roy, continue the uncertainty routine line you are famous for, as are All current Conservatives. That's why I no longer consider myself in your camp. Gone are the days of a real Conservative Platform. It sounds more Corporate than American every living day.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/01/509277/mcconnell-obamacare-insure-americans/ and http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/29/508749/obamacare-middle-class-taxes/.

Have any response, other than the toe the line usual bent facts?

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/06/28,

The best one is the conservative claim that Justice Roberts decision in favor was because he is on medication for epilepsy,,,,,,, heard that one Roy? I can supply the link to three differant conservative-value commentators who believe their own B.S., somewhat like you.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/28/508062/fact-check-mandate-tax-hike/, here Roy and other people, check the facts and read the truth, not some untruth that has no factual basis.

Or this one from Fox News.........http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/06/in-mass-individual-mandate-sparks-little-outcry/ and http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/01/speaker-boehner-dismisses-cbos-report-health-care-repeal-increases-deficit/.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/07/AR2009100704078.html, so the fee's collected by the law will be because millions of Americans will be part of the health care industry..........Get It, Roy. Govenment sustains and increases growth in the industry as has been done for our entire history.

Roy, here is the actual CBO report of the economic outlook, http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43288. As you will notice, the baseline assumptions, and they always will be assumptions, will have the Federal deficit reduced to 53% of Gross Domestic Product in the future, if current law is sustained, from a high of 76% today. That is progress, with the HealthCare expense. Stop looking at the short sided story, and become a real conservative who looks long term, and is not reactionary with the present.

http://www.urban.org/publications/412533.html, 6% affected by the tax penalty, and what percentage will benefit? Ah, yes it is all "The Welfare State, and Redistributing the wealth",,,,,,,, yet more people will participate and more jobs will be created to fill that expanded health care.

Surely you know of someone who has not used the health care industry because of lack of insurance, or their own refusal of participating in health care insurance...... Same can be said for those without life insurance or fire or car, and risk economic catastrophe for the supposed savings.

In our community we seem to always have a charitable fund for someone who has been stricken by accident or ill-health, and their insurance will not be enough or they had none. Can you speak of those as well as those who may pay a penalty in the same terms?

Roy, must be in conference with the G.O.P.. Roy, for a guy with a degree and all your experiance why the short sightedness in your politics and values? Just wondering.

I'm curious how it's a corrupt move by the President? He not in the DOJ.

I'm glad this is over now they can vote on jobs, jobs and more jobs

Hmm just like when the Justice department said it wouldn't prosecute Meirs and Bolton when Congress found them in contempt in 2008. For failing to testify and turn over documents. That the white house called executive powers on. And Minority house leader Boehner staged a walkout with republicans instead of voting on the contempt charges. Gee sound familiar hardworkinggal? you cant be outraged when you own party pulled the same exact stunts 3 years ago or is your memory that short

We will be lucky if we even see a vote in Nov. the way The pres. is pushing around washington to get his way

It's not Obamacare, it's a new tax masquerading as healthcare. The DOJ won't prosecute itself, that's like asking a kid to spank himself for stealing only, in this case, it's murder. The next step is to go for civil action. Not too many people are aware of the fact that the DOJ has sealed court records in the investigation and charges against Brian Terry's murderers. Wonder why?

LOL wow, sorry GOP this is not your week.

No... Obama is not actually IN the DOJ...

Just the one who holds their jobs in his hand.

and, the one who claimed "executive privilage" so the truth would never see the light of day.

I suppose in your world view, if a Mafia boss just 'orders' the hit - he's not really guilty -- because, after all, he's not one of the 'soldiers' who actually pulled the trigger.

The DOJ response evokes the precedent set by R. Reagan and G. W. Bush, so take it.

The DOJ won't prosecute itself, that's like asking a kid to spank himself for stealing only, in this case, it's murder.

Oh, so the DOJ murdered someone?

Why can't he explain why he refused to turn over documents? ( My apologies for staying on topic of course).

I'm glad this is over now they can vote on jobs, jobs and more jobs<<<<<<<Right lol

The decision to not prosecute Holder isn't particularly surprising, given that, in his capacity as attorney general, Holder leads the U.S. Justice Department.

I find this line interesting. Just a few months ago you would never find it here. MSNBC continues to surprise me. They never printed anything negative about Obama or his administration before. Wonder if they feel the Change coming too.

the Justice has informed Congress that the U.S. attorney will not prosecute Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt, despite Thursday's House vote.

LMAO The GOP keeps on missing "the target" with the Judges. Try again! Ha ha

Justice Roberts has shown to be a "truly unbias"j ustice by keeping the health care, even when Bush put him on the job. If Scalia would just retire...What a wonderful dream!

While in some places it may seem reasonable to charge your boss with a crime, I can see how the DOJ might not be so eager to file charges against their Director. If those charges were not to pan out they'd definately be out of work, if they stuck then they'd likely be branded by partisans as well. It is DC after all.

Not sure if you saw it, but an item was released to the press today that clearly indicates that the wiretap requests were seen and approved by the Associate Directors of the DOJ, they tell of the techniques used, that money was spent on purchasing guns for the program, and that they let the guns go without intercepting them or tracking them. Looks like some holes in the DOJ's story. A lot of knowledge is there, just let it come out. Hey Wickileaks, how about you get involved and drop some bombs on this one??

So it's going to come down to a civil suit against Holder. The biggest problem with that is that it further divides a divided government and the truth just keeps getting supressed. I feel sorry for the family of Brian Terry.

Did anyone really think the DOJ would prosecute their boss? that would be like Harry Reid calling for Obama's impeachment

This just in:

The FOX Won't Investigate Who Ate The CHICKENS

Okay, let's look at this like logical, rational human beings (I know that's hard for some of you, but bear with me). As pointed out, the executive priviledge claim has been used by many presidents of both parties, and has been upheld each time. However, every time it's used, the other side of the aisle rants and raves while the side that used it tries to play everything off as partisan character assassination; the same thing going on here. Regardless, the laws on executive priviledge are clear; Holder doesn't have to turn over the documents, and he doesn't have to say why.

As for the "corruption" accusations and the conspiracy theorists; the ATF *wanted* to arrest the straw-purchasers the whole time, but kept getting rebuffed by the prosecutors in the state. That's right, Arizona state prosecutors told the ATF that even though they knew that the guns were straw purchases that were going to Mexico, there was nothing that could be done because they were perfectly legal under Arizona law. There is no conspiracy here to hide any sort of anti-gun agenda. If anything, there was a conspiracy on the right to ensure that the program failed so they could blame it on Obama, but I don't even think that's particularly likely.

@Brittany32

"LOL wow, sorry GOP this is not your week."

An interesting observation....many neutral experts are saying that while BO has won this battle, he may have sunk his ship in November. The SCOTUS makes its own calls...but, does not speak for the US majority....we'll fire our shots at the ballot box in November! Seeya there! *grin*

Bs is BS. seems the president or any of his pals in his admin. can do anything they want to advert the law as long as they invoke the privlage. VOTE HIM OUT!!!!!

Another posturing by the Republicans! Stop already and try to actually debate the issues and come to resolutions on things. We the people are sick and tired of congress ignoring us just for the sake of getting re-elected!!!

How much Obama food stamp bucks is feeding your piehole every 5 minutes? Please enlighten us. Two quarter pounders today?

Your inability to address the issues with any sort of dignity only puts you in a different category: rude and disrespectful. Try to write something without insulting people or hate. In your own words: Please enlighten us.

Did you hear about the hot new clothes item being sold outside of all Obamas campain stops??????

Hoodies WITH JUSTICE FOR BRIAN TERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMERICA WANT THE TRUTH MR. OBAMA AND WE WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!

The Republicans still have the civil contempt measure. This will allow them to go to the civil court and get an order that would compel the Obama administration to release the documents.

mygirl1

It's not Obamacare, it's a new tax masquerading as healthcare. The DOJ won't prosecute itself, that's like asking a kid to spank himself for stealing only, in this case, it's murder.

Really Mygirl? Just to be clear, are you accusing the US Attorney General of murder?

trans am dan

Bs is BS. seems the president or any of his pals in his admin. can do anything they want to advert the law as long as they invoke the privlage. VOTE HIM OUT!!!!!

Both Reagen and Bush used Executive Privilege in the same way. Do you feel the same way about them...or is it just the black guy?

Would you accuse a man who knowingly allowed a program to continue, a program that resulted in the death of two agents and an uncountable number of Mexicans a hero? If you hire a hitman to kill your wife, are you guilty of murder?

as to the Obama is black stereotypical excuse here, Do you allow your kid to do wrong because someone else let their kid do wrong? The rationale here is that if my guy breaks the law, its ok because someone else broke the law, right? Do you even understand how lame that is?

mygirl, do you think the agents understood that this was dangerous work? Do you think they believed in what they were doing and felt the risk was worth it? Do you have any idea what they were trying to accomplish with this sting operation? Have you done any research or read/listened to anything other than hysterical RW hyperbole and spin on this? I hope you're not as ignorant as you sound.

What a travesty of Justice. Sad, just sad.

Pedestrian-in-SF

"mygirl, ....Have you done any research or read/listened to anything other than hysterical RW hyperbole and spin on this? I hope you're not as ignorant as you sound."

'Pedestrian-in-SF', your 'hope' is seriously misplaced on this one. In this case the ignorance goes clear to the bone.

Just select "Ignore This Author" like I did months ago, and give yourself a refreshing little sanity break. Comments automatically collapsed. Life is good.

Heck, I knew this would happen, it does matter who the president is REP or DEM they don't get overridden in matter of this nature. Never have, never will. It's a security issue.

What is really funny is Congress got BITCH Slapped.......Twice In One Day! LOL

Ol_Doc Both Reagen and Bush used Executive Privilege in the same way. Do you feel the same way about them...or is it just the black guy?

They didn't wait over 18 mos to claim Executive Privilege. One has to ask, why Pres Obama has waited 18mos? Is it political? Or is he actually hiding something? Who knows, since they are stonewalling.

As for Bush, no one died before he claimed Executive Privilege. The reason he claimed Exe Priv, again right away, is that he did not want Rove or Cheney to go before the Committee which is public. He made arrangements for them to meet with them, swear them in under oath and question them in private in the Oval office. He wasn't trying to protect information, just how the information was received since some of the info was classified. Most libs wouldn't agree, but Bush is as honest as they come and unlike pres before him, he didn't issue a pardon for the individual who was found to be the one that leaked the information.

Reagan, on Contra and like today I think it was just as wrong. But he invoked it right away. He should have had everyone testify, release the documents and get it over with. In the end the truth came out just as it will on this. In the end 14 persons were charged with criminal offenses and eleven persons were convicted. But in the mean time they all wasted a lot of time & money.

There really isn't much difference between this and Contra. Anyone with any sense can see that there is a cover up if they have been watching the testimony for the past two years. For God Sake, people died from this operation. Are lives worth that little to those that think this is a witch hunt?

How refreshing to realize that stupid is as stupid does. I am grateful to realize that I can enlarge my ignore list to include anyone who doesn't fit my pre-conceived belief systems. Intelligent opposing voices deserve to be heard, discourse and debate are beneficial and sometimes shed light into what otherwise be nothing but circular and one-sided self-serving attitudes. That would not preserve bigotry and bias however, which must be preserved at all costs. Oppositional voices may contain truths which are unpleasant and discordant to the closed mind. Cognitive dissonance requires unpleasant truths be ignored, too much truth would destroy the fantasy and the fantasy must be preserved at all costs.

Ignoring anything that doesn't fit into a closed-mind will preserve and further entrench the closed mind. Ignorance is indeed bliss.

So, is this supposed to showcase your "intelligent opposing voice? Do you think the agents understood that this was dangerous work? Do you think they believed in what they were doing and felt the risk was worth it? Do you have any idea what they were trying to accomplish with this sting operation? Have you done any research or read/listened to anything other than hysterical RW hyperbole and spin on this?

Knock..knock....Is anybody in there?...........Issa said on FOX NEWS,,,,there is no evidence of lying or coverup.....NO...means NO...you know ..as in...republicans..the party of NO!

Kind of hard to comprehend?

Issa is not investigating the murder of agent, Issa wants documents pertaining to stopping voter id suppression laws, etc.

Well as usual...Romney flip flopped and says he is the one to blame for the agent being killed. Just like Romney always on both sides of the issue...!

Did Issa and the Weeper get the letter before leaving for yet another break!

LOL!

Wonder how much Obummer paid to have this one waved. Or maybe he told Boehner he'd have to pillow up with Pelosi for the remaining of the year, so he let him off. LOL! :-)

Feisty- You weren't the first one, can't believe it.

Yeah like the GNOP gives a @!$%# about one dead agent...

Yeah like the moonbats giving a @!$%# about Plame being "outted" even though she and hubby decided to be on the cover of Rolling Stone.

Unfortunately, for the dems there's several hundred dead bodies and a couple dead border agents.

warning... don't get too close to Spencer, he might put a choke hold on you.

Yeah like the GNOP gives a @!$%# about one dead agent.

Obviously this administration and its blind followers doesn't

What is so very sad here is that the Obama supporters, formerly against war, corruption etc. are now espousing promotion of those very things in a bid to excuse Obama. Nice try but your hypocrisy is sickening.

Feisty you are the most foul and inflammatory person I've ever seen on a public forum.....I'm sure glad you belong to the "left"... pitiful... No wonder half of your comments are collapsed....

dontbh8n,

you supported bush43 and Dickhead Cheney?

now you've found your conscience?

Where's the transparency? Where's the justice? If you or I would have been held in contempt, we'd be in jail. But, not Holder; not when you have an administration and President that has time and again created a dictatorial atmosphere versus a democracy. You have a President who paid nearly $250K of his own money to keep his thesis under wraps; an Attorney General who refuses to disclose documents that would shed light on a Border Agent being killed with guns our government handed to the Mexican drug cartel; you have laws being passed that will further destroy our economy despite 67% of the populace not wanting such laws; and, we have an administration that has contributed to a weakening economy, who break laws, who abuse power and authority, and who are hell bent on continuing their system of "bottom up, top down, inside out." If Obama is reelected, Americans cannot complain when our system falls under the authority of those who have spent decades creating an environment where this destruction has been made possible. WAKE UP, AMERICAN VOTERS.

This is not about a dead Border Agent.

It is about the NRA and Arizona law allowing a person (on food stamps but with over $500,000 in cash) to buy 400+ assault weapons and then sell them to another person (drug cartel) without any documentation and then this person shoots a government agent while all being legal.

I hope NRA leadership rots in Hell and yes, I own a few guns but I am not selling them to a drug cartel.

Yep, didn't expect anything else. This dirty mess goes all the way to king obama. What are they hiding? the fact that they knew all about this and trying to cover it up. Sad that there is no justice for Brian Terry and his family. holder and obama have American blood on their hands. and you want 4 more yours of this stench?

guns have been going to mexico for a long time,my question is why do people need assault rifle's? Can't hunt with them.

Feisty, one day I'd like to sit down face to face, and have a political discussion with you.

Not so sure how that would go. But hey, if hanging out on FR all day and firing off "witty" one liners is her thing I say let her be.

So now all of a sudden, guns DO kill people (not people kill people). Interesting...I always suspected it--but now the Republicans and NRA confirm it.

Mike867

Your right you can't hunt with them but you can defend yourself when the country falls apart after the lemming realize they are going over a cliff.

First you disarm the citizens then you declare Marshall law and then you have the people under your thumb.

I'm guessing by all these posts that republicans have forgotten (or want to forget) about a guy Named Ollie North who sold drugs to buy guns for our enemies on behalf of a republican president? And then he was pardoned by a republican president. Where was your rage then? oh yeah, you where cheering for the drug dealer who betrayed America. must be them "family values" I hear so much about lol

Problems with phoney republican "dog and poney shows" represented as legitimate investigations are always the same. The lead conductor is always a criminal, and that goddamn party always has plenty of dogs, (mostly the more ugly breeds) but they never are able to obtain and hold a like number of ponies. Additionally, they most always end up getting kicked in their heads by an ill tempered pony, or severely bitten in their asses by some knowing dog, both, the results of angry animals who feel ill used. Damn fools! Looks like they would finally learn better.

"Feisty you are the most foul and inflammatory person I've ever seen on a public forum"

WeaternPariot-I take it this is the first and only public forum you have ever visited. Either that or you have terrible reading skills and are incredibly naive. The right wing scum posting comments about Obama make the FR seem utterly tame by comparison. Wake up or grow up.

Yes the Witch Hunt is over. Right, when did the GOP start worrying about gun control or where weapons go inside or outside of the US or if anyone gets shot or killed in the process. Bush, Sr. squashed Contra, W & Cheney outed an agent, created a war under a false premise, and both set up patsies for the fall. In fact, the agencies handling the "fast and furious" weapons were not green lighted by Holder for this operation. They lost track of this on their own. This was a case of omission, not one of criminality. The GOP simply created an issue where there was none. It's over and correctly handled by the President and Justice. Read 'em and weep GOP, another losing hand.

Get your facts straight, Ollie sold airctaft parts to Iran and diverted the money to Nicaraguan freedome fighters trying to take their country back from the Castro backed Marxists (Contras) who had taken over the country, suspended civil liberties and rights, and implemented a marxists totalitarian government. Our wonderful congress passed a law restricting the Ecexutive Branch from supporting the armed revolution to take it back, which they eventually did, and implemented and uneasy democracy, which has now stabilized the country and region from the Marxists. And by the way, Ollie was investigated and prosecuted for violating a questionable law passed by our then leftist congress, the Democrats, who are anything but democratic. After all, it they who are trying to restrict any speech other than thier own, pass laws that that the majority of people in the US don't want (Obamacare), gut the second amendment (take away your gun rights), constantly challenge the first amendment religous freedom, take away your dominion over your property (most EPA rulings), take away your freedom of choice (support laws forcing you to join unions), don't think killing babies in the womb is murder (or even objectionable), thinks it their right to take your money becuase they think you have too much, and the list goes on, and on, and on.

KenR- Try again. Tell us again, who were the contras? No mention of the right wing death squads? North was (is) a criminal and the only thing wrong with the democrats was that they didn't have the balls or killer instinct to impeach Reagan's pathetic ass. You sir are a fascist tool and are totally ignorant of the true facts referred to in your garbage post. The ultra right wing republicans paid ransom to the Iran terrorists to get the American hostages released and the used the money to finance the right wing murderers trying to overthrow the leftist Nicaraguan government. This was, of course, just a continuation of the American belief that we and not the native people of the region would control all of Central America. We propped up false and phony military dictatorships in these "Banana Republics" to make sure that our commercial interests took precedence over the interests of the native population. Your jaundiced and ignorant view of the politics of the region is just breathtaking

@Bluelake: Did you watch Brian Williams tonight? Further confirms what those, such as you and I have been saying all along. ATF wasn't walking guns. "Issa the criminal" and his cohorts though, have pretty much put a stop to any effective effort by US authorities efforts to control the illegal sale of arms to Mexican drug cartels. William Newell, ATF, head of the "fast and furious" Arizona operation spoke to NBS's Michael Isakoff who said as much. You sure called it correctly with "KenR". Such people though, will continue holding onto that which underpins the validity of their stupidity without waiver. Who better to "manufacture a very amateur criminal event", than one who has been many times, interrogated for criminal behavior himself, by the police? Throw in a little pork faced cohort from Utah, and for people like "KenR" the country has todays version of "Thelma and Louise" disguised as "Bugs Moran and Al Capone" on the loose. Some people are just naturally dimwitted. Regards friend

Mac-Thanks and back at ya buddy. I missed Brian Williams tonight but will catch it on line. This KenR guy must be a political crack head if he believed even half the crap he was spouting. He could not even properly identify the Contras. You said it perfectly: "Some people are just naturally dimwitted." I see quite a few here tonight.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, ILRestored LOL! So what was that right wing dog & pony show all about again? Oh yeah... now I remember, the GNOP believing they scored some political points off of their witch hunt!

Truth for Brian Terry, his family and America.

You laugh over the death of Brian Terry and an attempt to get to the truth for him, his family and America. You are as despicable as Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church!

RIP Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry

Feisty - I'll ask you again, if Holder and Obama had PROOF that Bush was complicit in this fiasco, why have they brought it forward? You Demoncrats wish to blame this on Bush, where, other than (idiotic, fabricated, hatefilled) blogs is the PROOF? Where, other than in Dan Rather's study, is the "smoking word processor"? Wher is the incriminating e-mail or memo? You demand proof for any comment made by a Conservative, return the courtesy.

By Holders office's own admission, there are in excess of 110,000 documents pertaining to this operation. There have bee less than 8,000 turned over, and they are heavily redacted, even dates are redacted. These are facts, easily obtainable. So, if they can produce PROOF that this is in any way, shape or for, is actually Bush's fault, why not release it? After all, that would be the "transparent" thing to do.

Job1. If you believe that the democrats are any less corrupt than republicans are, then you've been doing some very selective news reading.

Republicans and democrats in congress are not fighting against each other. They're fighting against us. And blind people just accept the nonsense. Democrat politicians tell democrat voters that republicans are the problem. Republicans tell their voters the same thing.

Job, I promise you that you and I share a lot more moral values than either of us do with any member in congress.

I agree, along with the corrupt Democrats in Government. Neither party can claim otherwise. If an independent investigator investigated from Congress to the White House to the Supreme Court it would take them decades to prosecute them on all the charges!

Job,

I guess I will need to have some of whatever your smokin to come to that conclusion. Because you you have to be smokin something after the Kool-aid picture went dry.

@Spencer-399802

I hold the same sentiment. there will never be an HONEST politician. It is not in their charactor.Every one of them has an agenda and a select group of backers that they have to appease!

Both parties are corrupt and destroying this nation. This upcoming election is like trying to decide which way to die.

Apparently, conservative participants on this forum have "selective reading" disorder. I quote for your benefit directly from the article: "During the Reagan administration, DOJ took the position that the contempt statute could not constitutionally be applied to an official who asserts the president's claim of executive privilege."

How convenient it is to consistently blame Obama and his Administration for policies originally propagated by the Right. Deflect, deflect, deflect...but never accept.

Hypocrisy, thy name is the GOP!

In general terms, I'd have to agree with you, Will. "Term Limitation" is the only answer. Power corrupts, and Capitol Hill can't handle power judiciously and fairly...

Spencer-399802: Right on, bro. Maybe if we could all actually get that message, we could join forces and face the real problem, together. There are no red and blue states, only red, white and blue states, and it's time we stopped all the squabbling about which batch of crooks is better for the country.

Our job is to keep whichever batch of bastards currently occupy Washington in line, and keep their eyes on the ball. If we don't do it, then it won't get done. If we're too busy bickering among ourselves about which party is more corrupt, who the crooks are and aren't (face it: they all are!), then our adversaries have succeeded in distracting us from the real issue at hand, namely, making sure the government, any government, remains of the people, by the people and for the people.

It doesn't matter what side your on. Once you get that seat, lobbyists will mold you until they get exactly what they want for their company, or district, or whatever. Money is the great unequalizer and very few men are able to say they haven't drank from the cup. Liberals are liars, but believe their own lies. Republicans just lie and then go pray to God for forgiveness.

WesternPatriot: A dear friend of mine, a psychologist of some standing, had a theory that one needed to have a psychotic relationship with greed and power in the first place to want to be a professional politician. It's a dark opinion but hard to argue these days.

The old Groucho adage, "I wouldn't want to be in any club that would have me as a member," seems especially appropriate when applied to politics.

I agree with you Mr WesternPatriot.....Terms limits will help everyone. President =8 yrs.SENATE And CONGRESS=10 YRS And you must submitt a bill every year that passed in order to receive your pension

Harsh....Maybe

@Get Real...

Will of people? Really?

So, now instead of will of god like in the past? Now it is from Will of people when most people don't even care about it, they want jobs, jobs and jobs.

Where are the jobs? That is against the will of people and GOP seems to be doing just that.

Once again the wing-nut Republicans have wasted EVERYONE'S time with this non-issue while important work to benefit all citizens of this great country goes undone.

Going against the will of the people? Thats a laugh. When did Obama go against the will of the people. Itdoes not count when he does not genuflect to the tparty you ninny.

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the
second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become
the legalized version of the first. Thomas Jefferson

This is why we have a Constitution and now we have the highest Judicial Office in the land saying he is Above the Law and he is being backed by the Executive Branch of Government. This is in direct violation of our Constitutional Government. When you lose the balance of Power you will have one Branch begin to abuse its power if not reigned in by the People. Its either time to Revolt or VOTE OBAMA and all his CRONIES OUT! Otherwise this nation will become a Obama Dictatorship.

So much for being the most transparent administration. another 2008 campaign lie.

obama will also bring us all together. We as a country are so divided that the next step is civil war. We deserve better and better leadership.

TheSwordNPen79: Absolutely! Let's clear the way for a Romney Dictatorship! Get real.

Major step in "fixing" Federal Govt..........................TERM LIMITS for HofR and Senate. And don't give me the BS about the fact that they have to stand for re-election does equal term limits. WRONG!! If that worked why was there a Const Amendt to limit the terms of President? I say 4 terms MAX for House(8yrs) and 2 terms MAX for Senate(12 yrs). The Founding Fathers NEVER envisioned career politicians. Back then they went to DC to serve their country, Now they go to get rich. They all talk about serving the American people. There may be some of them that believe that , but after they have been there awhile its all about self-serving.

Acoustic.

I know this much about Romney. He is not Obama and he has more RESPECT for the Constitution of the USA then the current Administration. Lets face it if Obama where white he would be gone a long time ago. I am not racist. Just stating the obvious.

My kids make me laugh when they justify their failures by comparing them to someone else's failures. One day they will be adults and except responsibilty for their actions. Threw in the towel decades ago regarding Washington DC. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

right on flip....you can tell nobama hasn't grown a set yet, he blames everything on someone else, the only thing he hasn't is the possible killing of obl...I say possible because did we see a body?...and has the skunk ever told the american people the truth? he lies to us all the time...and when he's called on it he blames someone else...what a worthless potus.. old gw started the hunt and the skunk just happened to be in the office when they found obl....the hell with him, i'm going fishing!

TheSwordNPen - you know NOTHING about Romney. He is the least respected Governor of MA ever. He is laughing that idiots like you are believing his lies and following his every step! He doesn't have a damned clue about what he is doing and intelligent people know it.

Your stupidity is overwhelming!

coyote, Bush DISMANTLED the Bin Laden team and didn't know/didn't care where he was ONE year after 9/11. Care to explain how that relates to Bush being instrumental in President Obama getting Bin Laden? The only thing that smells is your specious argument.

When will the day come in America that there will be a common goal, between all Americans? The foundations of this country are based on a moral code that is no longer in place. The idea that a handout is better or a free lunch is what your government can give is no longer valid. The government is and was designed to offer our nation FREEDOM. Our government was not based on what it can do for us, but what we can do for it. I feel that it is time the all Americans unite together for a moral unity. A unity that no matter who you are, no matter the office that you hold, you are held accountable. Not behind some "executive privilege" but accountable for all of your actions. There are very few Democrat, Republican, or Independents that are in office that have enough moral purity to have the honor of holding an office in our government. The people, not parties, should see that the elected officials that are making these key decisions for our country not just today, but our futures, do not deserve their office. We the people should ALL vote in this next and ever election and we should bring forth candidates that have the moral purity and a righteousness that is beyond reproach. We should all elect people that know and understand how a business (government) should be ran and get our financial instability and debt in order and become a debt free nation. People that will make laws that are based on the needs of the people with their input and best interest at heart. If they fail to do so, they are voted out. Corruption in our government and big business should be tracked down, rooted out, and all held accountable. We should be ONE nation under God and we have not been this for a long time. We have believed that our government was doing the "right" things for us for too many years, it is not about what party did it, each and everyone of us should accept personal responsibility for where we are and each one of us needs to stand up, in one voice and unite together to take our country back!!! If we could all just stop arguing long enough and look at what power each of us has, and what responsibility each one of us has, then maybe, just maybe, this country will be strong once again and be a country that sets an example for other countries and leaders to follow. The government wants us to argue and fight amongst ourselves they do not want us to unite and stand together becasue if we did we would take away their power!!! I hope and pray that we can do this before it is too late!!! Thanks and God Bless the United States of America, despite what our leaders and our people have done!!! Stand up, Speak Up, and VOTE for a better stronger America!!!

@SeekingSanity #6.24,

Once again we have SeekingSanity back on her personal attacks and insults. And what in the hell does this have to do with Romney ?

The article is about Eric Holder NOT prosecuting Eric Holder ...... yawn ! Yes, he has decided he can protect himself. So why so venomous on Friday afternoon ?? Oh, I forgot ... it's YOU being you !

What a big surprise! Another big waste of time. This was never going to go anywhere especially when one of the men appointed to proscecute worked in the Obama campaign. Why do Republicans keep looking stupid? Because they are. The fight the wrong fights and get their ass handed to them every time. Next time let's ask the Fox who killed the chickens and spend two years trying to find out where all the feathers came from

@smarterthanu11:

It doesn't matter what side your on. Once you get that seat, lobbyists will mold you until they get exactly what they want for their company, or district, or whatever.

That's why I preach "Term Limitation". By the time the Lobbyists figure out what you're about, your term is over! Checks and Balances---they're great!

@Acoustictherapy, LMHO! Gotta love Groucho Marx! Good Point....

Flip12u2---"Hope for the best,prepare for the worst" you do know that is Chairman MAO's ideaoloy from his little red book don't you? He said " Pray for sun, but build dykes "

Spencer- good stuff!

Acoustictherapy "During the Reagan administration, DOJ took the position that the contempt statute could not constitutionally be applied to an official who asserts the president's claim of executive privilege." How convenient it is to consistently blame Obama and his Administration for policies originally propagated by the Right. Deflect, deflect, deflect...but never accept. Hypocrisy, thy name is the GOP!

And the Civil Judge found them guilty of contempt. These attorneys that run are country aren't stupid when it comes to the law. Just stupid when it comes to understanding business.

The reason there were two votes in the House is that they knew perfectly well that a department being investigated would not follow the law or police themselves.

If the Civil Judge finds Holder in contempt and if Holder is convicted of a crime, he loses his license to practice law. Not even a pardon will save that if he's convicted of a crime before the pardon is invoked.

So with that much at stake, what is this man hiding?

Let's find out what he is hiding by naming an independent prosecuter. It is the only way anyone but this boner and Obama will ever reveal the truth.

They got caught in their own rat trap and deserve to pay for their stupidity.

I wonder what would happen to me if I gave the Mexican drag cartels weapons, one that ended up being used to kill a border patrol agent.

I wonder what would happen to me if I gave the Mexican drag cartels weapons, one that ended up being used to kill a border patrol agent.

You can think the NRA for that.

I guess Holder wonders the same thing considering he never gave any guns to Mexicans that were used to kill border patrol agents. Sad day indeed.

gioiosa - that depends upon which state you can buy and resell a truck load of weapons without violating gun laws. Apparently if you do this in Arizona you're home free.