And that is I will act to repeal ‘ObamaCare,’" Romney said Thursday in Washington, adding to his portfolio the politically thorny pledge to undo President Obama’s health reform law.

Let's fix this statement:

...I will act like a jackass and repeal 'ObamaCare....'

Romney realized yesterday he lost he bid for the presidency .And Now Eric Cantor and the GOP challenges the supreme court ? On their ability to make a decision ? Because ROBERTS broke rank ?

First term? what first term? Not for Mitt the MisFitt

•Seeking tax cuts and deficit reduction,

But Willard, the tax cuts aren't paid for, they add to the deficit!

Those billionnaire corporations, job-creators, must be the most paranoid bunch on the planet to keep yelling about 'the uncertainty' as they sit on/keep making billions of dollars in profits since 2001 and forward.

So they've been uncertain since 2001-2003 and even now.......They need an intervention 'cause their paranoia is long lasting!

The Author of this Thread has left out the 1 thing that Malibu Mitt is campaigning on & how he's gonna "Get Er Done:

Richard Branson has agreed to take Most, if Not All, RightWingBibleThumpers on a Oneway Trip to da Moon, with Malibu Mitt & Newt Gingrich on the 1st Voyage, so together they can Install a Moonie Government, that'll put'em Closer to a Higher Being !

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

I just read this about Dodd-Frank --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd%E2%80%93Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act

As with other major financial reforms, some legal and financial scholars on both sides of the political spectrum have criticized the law, arguing on the one hand that the reforms were insufficient to prevent another financial crisis or additional "bail outs" of financial institutions, and on the other hand that the reforms went too far and would unduly restrict the ability of banks and other financial institutions to make loans.

Based on this, I need my conservative friends to tell me this --

1. If Dodd-Frank didn't go far enough, then why does Mitt Romney want to repeal it?

2. If Dodd-Frank stands unduly restricts lenders from making loans, then how can you possibly blame Dodd-Frank for this country's financial meltdown?

So.

Romney was in DC yesterday when the ruling from the Supreme Court didn't go his way re: health care. He was there in hopes of celebrating with Michele Bachmann and all the other nutcases.

Romney was in Arizona when the ruling from the Supreme Court didn't go his way re: immigration. He was there in hopes of celebrating with Gov. Brewer and all the other nutcases.

haha

Willard is quite adept at tossing out promises... when it comes to detail... eh... he becomes King of the *Crickets*

So true Feisty!

"If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance; baffle 'em with bull@!$%#".

I can hear the crickets here in CA as well as you are in IL. Sad but true.

Interesting observation, Pat!

If somehow Willard should steal the election, I will take a page out of Limbaugh's playbook and go on record today stating "I hope he fails." I will give him no honeymoon and I would urge anyone with Democratic senators and representatives to hold their feet to the fire and not give him one either. The only way to stop Republicans from going all out to sabotage any Democratic president (they did the same thing to Clinton that they did to Obama) is to be just as mean and nasty as the Republicans. This is why, with the aid of splineless Democrats that Republican Presidents are the only ones to get their agenda passed and this needs to stop!

@ Pat --

"Well, he's where he should be all the time ...."

(Carly Simon, "You're So Vain")

Mitt's so vain, he KNOWS this song is about him.

Mitt's so vain, he KNOWS this song is about him.

Hey!

Don't forget SpankMe...

I can just picture him swaggering around the pool down there in his matching apricot scarf & stuffed Speedo! ☺

Anna, LoL. You're So Vain is perfect. Perfect.

Romney should repeal himself

chilled

But Willard, the tax cuts aren't paid for, they add to the deficit!

there is a reason why the Bush tax cuts are not permanent, and if Bush couldn't pay for them, neither will Willard!

Anna Molly

Based on this, I need my conservative friends to tell me this --

1. If Dodd-Frank didn't go far enough, then why does Mitt Romney want to repeal it?

2. If Dodd-Frank stands unduly restricts lenders from making loans, then how can you possibly blame Dodd-Frank for this country's financial meltdown?

I love how the Republicans blame the 2008 Financial Meltdown on Clinton's and Dodd-Frank's deregulation. They claim that it was the sole reason for the collapse but at the same time, they claim that regulations are BAD!BAD! BAD! and should be eliminated

So which one is it? We need regulations or are they evil?

bayllie --

So which one is it? We need regulations or are they evil?

Quoth our conservative friends, "yes."

The health insurance mandate - or a 'tax (wink wink) - is really a conservative idea of 'tough love' which strangely conservatives have believed is government's responsibility for its citizens.

Feisty - OOOOOOH Bad Visual!!!!! My eyes! My eyes!

Bill -2910238 - It's not going to happen. We cannot survive another Republican presidency until the Republican party gets so sense. We are not willing to take our country back to the dark ages; let our poor die in the streets; fight another war so the GOP buddies can make money; ignore the needs of those less fortunate; take women's rights and flush them down the toilet; let religion run our country; etc.

Obama/Biden 2012

Mitt Romney is the laughing stock of the country and right behind him is the donors with more money than brains.

He has no plan, no personality, no common sense,no idea whats going on, he's a clown and dont forget his Republican Congress that cost us our homes jobs and family's send them packing in Nov.

Anna Molly

Quoth our conservative friends, "yes."

you nailed the answer!

The Republican's health insurance plan:

1. don't get sick

2. if you must get sick, to pay for it, empty out your checking and savings accounts, sell your home and/or any valuables you may have because the only defense you used to have against going bankrupt due to a sickness was filing for bakruptcy but we took that away, too.

Day 1: After the election, Willard wakes up and calls a meeting, and no shows up. So, he sleeps through the day.

Day 2: Willard wakes up, and Ann tells him you lost, and to go back to bed.

The only problem Bayllie, is that now most of the states will no longer fund Medicaid, so even if you sell all you own, the Medicaid safety net will be pulled out from under most Americans.

Romney hasn't been working too hard at his policies. He still offers no specifics, only appears for feux interviews on fox, and is making promises that the presidency has no power to fulfill on its own. In any case, there will be no Romney presidency, and I have my doubts about the republicans holding onto the house. They have obviously agreed to a student loan and infrastructure bill in some twisted scheme to make voter think they will play nice.

http://

finance.yahoo.com/news/what-obamacare-means-for-your-taxes.html

what Obamacare does to Medicaid - story on Yahoo.

Excerp:

Therefore, the maximum federal rate on long-term gains for 2013 and beyond will actually be 23.8% (versus the current 15%) and the maximum rate on dividends will be a whopping 43.4% (versus the current 15%). Yikes!

Wayne-1656909

The only problem Bayllie, is that now most of the states will no longer fund Medicaid, so even if you sell all you own, the Medicaid safety net will be pulled out from under most Americans.

they won't because they will choose not get federal money that covers the bulk of the costs. By taking the federal money, the Republican governors would have to embrace all or portion of the law.

We won't have to worry about a Romney first day agenda, he won't be President.

Sreeeeminglib, I read the article myself and have to chuckle as I thought the same thing. This sure doesn't affect me or most of the people I know that make less than 200000. The majority of people that complain about all this tax stuff don't either.

Just remember - Willard was the name of a movie about a RAT

He could run with Rand Paul and be "Biggie RAT and Itchy Numbskull". Or with Rubio and be "Biggie rat and Itchy Latino"... or should than be "itchy jockstrap"

Willard is so dumbstruck by the SCOTUS decision that I'm surprised that he isn't a blubbering IDIOT

@Pat Boston Ma, The problem here is no matter how much truth comes out through the people that have suffered through the experience of Romney as Governer of Mass. People in the other 49 states don't believe the people of Mass. I can understand the spirit of the party, but if you don't have the spirit of the country in your heart first, the party won't exist. Those words can and do apply to State.

Interesting that MSNBC can represent an ambitious agenda from Romney as Mission: Impossible, but would present a similar agenda by Hussein as awe-inspiring. Again, it carries the water for the Socialists.

canary-in-the-coal-mine

Just remember - Willard was the name of a movie about a RAT

Your ilk seems to put a lot of weight into people's names (and likes to ridicule them).

Just remember Hussein was the name of a dictator in Iraq.

This is beyond repair, Our Governing Bodies can't do anything but conduct witch hunts and appeal to the angry mobs. I keep seeing all these nutbags on both sides and I can't for the life of me visualize anything postitive for our Country until we actually fix our broke political system. Devide and Conquer, mission accomplished.

Sounds like the Romnster is going to walk on water -- might not be a smart move for someone with a bag of rocks for brains.

What's ambitious about it? All I hear is "Trust me, I'm going to do a bunch of big things. I won't tell you about them, but it's going to be BIG!"

Comedians have already made fun of Romney's Day 1 ads. All the crap he says he'll do would take a lifetime. In actuality, it's not ambitious from the perspective that it's about undoing not doing. Anyone can repeal, it's the replace part that matters.

Teapublicans likewise waste tax dollars by being the Party of No, obstructing, and basically protesting instead of governing. They should have to give all the pay and benefits back to The People.

What a Romney presidency would look like:

Day 1 –

Keystone Pipeline = Create some temporary jobs for Canadians and help Big Oil export tar sands to China, because that's the real world – Ya gotta reward your campaign donors, everyone knows that.

Tax cuts and reform = Take over a country in distress, end all entitlements/safety nets and liquidate government assets, add a least 5 trillion to the debt/deficits by cutting taxes for the rich and increasing defense spending, and redistributing wealth to the 1%.

"Repeal and Replace" health care reform = Leave debt-strapped states to deal with skyrocketing health care costs, with every man, woman, and child to fend for his/herself per the Romney Race to the Bottom Social Darwinism Doctrine.

This from David Letterman: Day 2 –

Ann Romney reminds Mitt he lost by a landslide.

Just remember Hussein was the name of a dictator in Iraq.

Hussein is also the name of a greater man, The President of the United States of America!!!

"In my first year I will make sure we actually do take on immigration, we secure our border, we make sure that we grow legal immigration in a way that provides people here with skill and expertise that we want,"

It was interesting that the only other significant 'immigration reform' bill was signed by Reagan, working with a Democratic Congress. Democrats always try to 'push the envelope' too far when they write their own 'reform' measure, resulting in it being blocked by Republicans.

A Republican President will be able to accomplish what no Democratic President can on immigration, because all he needs is partial Republican support.

Teapublicans likewise waste tax dollars by being the Party of No, obstructing, and basically protesting instead of governing.

They also are wasting a ton of their own money on their "Super Pacs". Adelson would leave a better legacy by doing good and helping the less fortunate.

Their candidate is flawed and broken. Just as in the children's nursery rhyme about Humpty Dumpty, all the king's men (or money) cannot put him back together again.

Roy: when President Reagan left office, he took with him the last vestiges of moderation left in the Republican party. After raising taxes several times, the party did not rebuke him and refuse to support his reelection, like it did to President George H.W. Bush.

Since then, the GOP has taken a turn to the far right and gone over the cliff and left its sanity behind.

There is an old saying, "You don't negotiate with the insane." Which explains why there is no compromising with the Teathuglicans.

Washington DC is gonna eat this guy alive!

See how the Tea Party members try to use their magic in associating that because President Barack Hussein Obama has the middle name of Saddam Hussein that President Obama will have the same mentality.

Now I understand why the Tea Party tries to make President Obama seem like a dictator.

Their monkey political scientists have tried in imbue the spirit of Saddam Hussein in President Obama saying that Saddam Hussein has been reborn in President Obama just because of the name likenesses.

These are the types of people that want to put President Romney in office.

Such people are delusional.

hey dwight, the right will stoop to any depth of depravity to put their billionaire masters in power

NOT put - KEEP - Who do you think is behind those worthless reichwingnut "congress" persons? The congress has been bought asd paid for by the corporations.

@ Pigotry

Perfect. MissFit

So after the Republicants have been shown that their agenda for themselves and the 1 percent will not work, do you think they can start thinking of us Middle Class Americans for a change? Hopeful but I doubt it!

(giggle) I thought the headline for this article was too funny...I mean Mitt is a gift for comedy writers. BUT...then I read Bill-2910238, comment 1.19, and could not stop laughing! You're killin' me, Bill!

@ Pigotry,

Post 1.4 that's catchy, lol

Seeking tax cuts and deficit reduction

More tax cuts will INCREASE the deficits, just like they did during Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Especially Bush Jr, as his tax cuts are still in effect and are a major factor in continued deficits. Oh, but Romney plans to "balance the tax load", an Orwellian way of saying "increase taxes on the working class and the working poor". As for closing "tax loopholes", he's deliberately vague, I'm suspecting he'll cut only those that benefit the poor and middle class - tax loopholes for the job creators rich will remain

Approving the Keystone XL oil pipeline

The Obama administration has already approved an alternative route that avoids environmentally sensitive areas. It will be a non-issue before the election.

Issuing more aggressive strictures for trade with China,

It won't be much of a "stricture" when his CEO buddies are offshoring jobs there and importing cheap goods for their profit. Maybe Romney will restrict sales TO China...

And seeking the repeal of “job-killing regulations” (the financial regulatory reform bill, Dodd-Frank, is an example Romney mentions frequently on the campaign trail)

In other words, get rid of any efforts to prevent another financial scandal that privatizes profit and socializes losses. Also included in his repeal efforts would be regulations to protect clean air and clean water and prevent environmental disasters. For Romney, Profit for the Rich counts more than the living conditions of everyone else.

President Romney and a Republican Congress. You will finally see what the Federal Government can do when it is run correctly.

You mean, like the 6 years from 2001 through 2006, when Republican President Bush Jr and a Republican Congress ran things? Hmm, if I remember my history, that period racked up record deficits, nearly doubled the National Debt, produced a faltering economy with rising unemployment, record high gas prices, a speculative real-estate bubble (which soon burst in a spectacular recession), an inept FEMA, and a long series of political scandals.

Sorry, but that's not my definition of "run correctly". Maybe you meant "run corruptly".

Bill-2910238: #1.19

You are delusional. Seek professional help.

@ rockymtnroustabout & confussed-1578043

MissFit? so Mitt is a ... sissie ? a girlie?

Obama/Biden 2012

You truly are an ignorant fnn @!$%#, really, you are. What the great messiah just did was jack healthcare costs by 4x, our monthly cost will go from 300 to 1200 a month. thank you, you ignorant fnn @!$%#. I hope you die in a fire. I hope everyone you love dies in a fire, I hope everyone you hold dear, dies in a fire. I truly do.

Now that you've finished your hate-filled rant, do you have anything to back ANY of that up? BTW, the average family insurance plan is already over $13,000/yr plus your out of pocket and deductibles.

Then again anyone who refers to President Obama using the dog whistle term "messiah" has already drank enough hateraide to poison someone who has an open mind.

Immigration reform has failed under Republican administrations as well as Democratic ones. GW proposed his own plan for immigration reform and he couldn't get it passed his own party, and that's before we got this latest crop of zenophobes. Comprehensive immigration reform whichever party wins the White House this election cycle has no chance of passage.

I want immigration reform and the hard working people that come with it. We need the best and brightest, as well as those who are willing to do the work we don't want of children to perform, i.e., stoop labor in the fields, garbage collection, restaurant back-end, custodial services, etc. Would I prefer they all be legal, yes; do I think some sort of magic bullet (a fenced off country) will achieve it, no.

The Dream Act was a start but the Repubs in the Senate have prevented it from even being discussed; and in the House the tea party minority has the weak spined Speaker from taking any action. He's so concerned for his Speakership that he won't put forward a bill that would have sufficient democratic support to pass. Of course that would be a victory for the President, so its better politically to do nothing.

I would love to see the Republican health care plan. Oh, they don't have one.

RedSox,

It is only a tax (fine) for those that do not purchase health insurance.

The individual mandate was called the individual responsibility act by Governor Romney.

If you don't want a tax increase then just buy the insurance … stop freeloading off of the rest of us.

The tax (fine) is estimated to affect 3% to 5% of us. Last year in Mass they collected the fine on only 1% of their residents.

'Mitt the MisFitt's First Term' is the title of a FICTION Mitt the UnFitt is going to write soon

Stop drinking the water in Columbus. It is clearly infected with something.

You libbys just don't get it. You will call them 'unexpected consequences' when the business don't provide healthcare because it is cheaper. Then individuals will be forced to spend a lot of money on their own healthcare, some won't. And the ones that do will be really pissed at Obama for digging into their wallet again. The ones that don't get TAXED!. Do you think this affects middle class much? LOL

And BJ1, you may want to look at the republican plans before you read the DNC script. LOL

Libbys are so amusing! thanks!

Thanks Mitt

Every one of us that are in favor of the ACA should thank Governor Romney for proving that the individual mandate (responsibility) clause does work and provides affordable health insurance that will cover millions of people previously unprotected. Nearly every child in MA is currently covered and more than 98% of adults are covered and only 1% of the people of MA were fined (taxed) last year.

It didn’t break the bank in MA budget or create an excessive tax burden on the tax payers.

Dennis and you other lovers of the left ideology, please follow the link below after you add the www and get back to us on those "only those that don't buy in pay the tax:. There are a few more hidden in the bill. 18 to be exact.

heritage.org/research/reports/2011/01/obamacare-and-new-taxes-destroying-jobs-and-the-economy

Talk,

Everyone knew that when the bill was being written and passed – not new news !!!

What the SC said was a tax was the mandate (Personal Responsibility) which affects only those that do not have or purchase health insurance.

The tax (fine) is estimated to affect 3% to 5% of us.

No thanks, I don't read right wing rags.

Talk and the other lovers of whatever it is you love; go here and be happy...

Top ten Conservative websites (Heritage is #1!!! Yay!)

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/conservativepolitics101/tp/Top-Conservative-Web-Sites.htm

Dennis and all you other lovers of whatever it is you love; go here and be happy too...

Top 10 liberal websites...

http://www.innocentenglish.com/politics/the-top-10-liberal-blogs-and-sites-best-liberal-blogs.html

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Like your personal, private "news" organizations...

Nice, safe places where you won't have to hurt your heads with confusing information that conflicts with your 'beliefs"...

Hand, did you really link to the Heritage Club and expect anyone to take you seriously?!?!

Simple question, if this kind of healthcare, or any level of government in healthcare, is so lousy, why are there no political movements, in MA or any other industrialized nation, to move to our previous structure of healthcare. None, period. Even the right-wing nuts in other countries are smart enough to leave healthcare alone, because everyone likes it! Case closed...

Those places have populations in the millions not the hundreds of millions we have here. Much easier to manage and a bigger chance for success.

And what about actually reading and reporting findings on the ACA make the Heritage Foundation such a villainous place to refer? At least they did the homework and tried to inform when "we have to pass it to see what's in it" was over.

Yes Nick and Dennis. I guess I should have looked at Huffington, thinkprogress, and a few other non bias places. LMAO.

RedSoxRules

So I looked at your link and here are the first three "taxes".

After reading them I see why your head is exploding...lol

You and your ilk are still in the bag for the super wealthy.

1. Section 1401 imposes a 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac”
   health insurance plans.
2. Section 1411 increases the Medicare Hospital Insurance (HI)
   portion of the payroll tax. This provision will increase the employee’s
   portion from 1.45 percent to 2.35 percent for families making more than $250,000
   a year (and for individuals making more than $200,000).
3. Section 1411 also imposes a new payroll tax on investment.
   This tax provision applies the new higher 3.8 percent Medicare tax to investment
   income—including capital gains, dividends, rents, and royalties—and is scheduled
   to become effective in 2013. Together, the Medicare tax hikes will raise $210
   billion between 2013 and 2019.

A 40% tax on anything is outrageous.

dangerfield

Darn good to see ya.

Wonder if our members of Congress will have to pay the "Cadillac Excise tax"?

It's not a tax, it is a fine? Not according to the SCOTUS. In 2014, the new taxes collected will amount to $1.5 BILLION. Whether you call that a fine or tax, that is a lot more than Romney ever increased fees for in Massachusetts for the entire four years he was Governor. Stretch the truth all you want, you cannot cover that one up.

Bill-2910238

In 2014, the new taxes collected will amount to $1.5 BILLION. Whether you call that a fine or tax, that is a lot more than Romney ever increased fees for in Massachusetts for the entire four years he was Govern

So your comparing the fines Mittens rased in MA to the entire country?

the republicans have not come up with any kind of health care plan since Obama enacted the individual mandate the republicans have been pushing for since Clinton.

funny how they were trying so hard for the very thing obama passed and then turned against it

amazing how stupid some of the whiney right-wingers can be, isn't it?

It sure is. I mean wasnt it the Heratige Foundation that origionally wanted an Individuale Mandate and now its like the worst thing ever..lol

Obama said it's not a tax, too bad the Supreme Court disagrees! Most people think Obamacare sucks and will not be sustainable.

Teddy Roosevelt said if you want to make a conservative mad tell them a lie. If you want to make a liberal mad tell them the truth.

The truth is we need affordable health care, however this new law doesn't offer it!

In order to do that he didn't create any jobs and raised the state sales tax. DUUH!

Talk to the Hand...

Are you remotely aware of who first originated the idea of an individual mandate for healthcare? Never mind...it's obviously a rhetorical question. Read the following and gain a little education:

http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

Surprise!!! And while you're getting educated, why don't you also delve into how the "Romneycare" plan is doing in MA, despite all of Mitt's protestations to the contrary. Remember, he once said it should be a model for the nation, before he was instructed that he should be against it.

BTW...exactly WHAT do the Republicans offer as a viable alternative for healthcare for the masses? A "voucher" system? Yeah...that will work real well...much like Bush II's idea of Wall Street-administered 401(k) plans for retirement to gut social security. The GOP always talks about "repeal and replace" but have yet to produce any workable plan for the last part of that slogan other than to ensure that the insurance companies can bleed you dry whenever and however they want.

Wow, I'm surprised the Heritage Foundation is so adamantly against the Individual Mandate since it was their idea...

Oh, that's right, it ceased to be their idea the instant Republican Senator Chuck Grassley negotiated it into the bill.

Comedians have already made fun of Romney's Day 1 ads. In actuality, it's not ambitious from the perspective that it's about undoing not doing. Anyone can repeal, it's the replace part that matters.

Teapublicans likewise waste tax dollars by being the Party of No, obstructing, and basically protesting instead of governing. They should have to give all the pay and benefits back to The People.

Repeal - immediately!

Replace - if we get around to it...someday...maybe...or not.

Seems that when the Messiah was crowned, there were zero articles with Mission Impossible headlines, yet the author admits Obama was a big fat liar, and just assumes Romney will have similar trouble.
What all the ding dongs forget is that Romney actually has executive political experience, and has worked with impossible immature democrats.

As for Feisty calling names - I just don't get it. She seems to be the only one allowed to personally attack others, and insult Fox viewers with complete impunity. Seems liberals aren't so tolerant after all, but instead expect it to be a 1-way street. Sad really.

This liberal gave up on the peace and love stance of tolerance when the Tea and Republican Party started their communistic agenda which includes traveling back in time and living like we are in 1950's USSR.

My tolerance comes in the form of allowing other people to live, believe in their concept of God and love differently than I do. Something the other Party just can't seem "get".

Don't even think for a moment "Mister Wonderful" that some of us liberals will tolerate being steam rolled over in the Koch brothers pledge to make the country we love a third world trash can. We have a voice and a vision that includes moving forward...not back.

Oh, and Mr Wonderful another strategic flaw of the other party is to mistake kindness for weakness. Just a heads up.

Romney's agenda is a fantasy, and he won't be able to pull any of it off. If the American people reward the republican party by obstructing everything for 18 months, then expect Democrats will do the same and more.

Republicans won't take the senate, and Republicans will have to overcome ceaseless filibusters from the Democrats. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Obma's toast...can't wait to get his goofy money wasting ideas off the table.

I like the idea that the Democrats in our government would return the obstructive practices of the T.P./Reps. but it will not happen. the majority of Democrats consider that the welfare of their employers, we the people, are much more important,therefore those creatures will,or as I hope would have had,if elected, an easier time of governing this nation. Hopefully, we the people ,will not give them another chance to be in a controlling majority,in either house until they again return to their past realisations that they too work for the betterment of all Americans,not the 1% super rich parasites.

listoire

blah blah.... we the people, blah blah.....

Hate to tell ya, but those that disagree are "we the people"....silly.

Romney the etch-a-stetching, flip flopping, say anything to win candidate supported a nationwide healthcare mandate a couple of years ago with plenty of videos confirming this fact. Sorry, but this man is totally disingenuous and fake. Next, he is touting the first thing he will do is reduce the deficit. Guess he has not been paying attetion to the 16 countries in Europe who were stupid enough to cut their budgets during a recession and now having double dipped recessions and double digit and climbing unemployment. Reagan didn't reduce the deficit during his recession hr doubled it. Show me one macro economic text book that says you should take money out of the economy during a recession.

With regard to the ACA, the CBO with the staff who are experts in federal fiscal policies with their respective experts on medical programs scored and performed their analysis of the ACA and says that it will save the $200 billion. Cherry picking information is not a detailed analysis. The GOP oftens points to CBO as a competent nonpartisan group when they provide an analysis that favors their position. However, their like 5 years olds who whine and pout when they don't hear what they want, example the recent Supreme Court ruling. Oh moreover, look at the fact that the conservative governments in Europe are having negative growth and soaring unemployment because the took money out of the economy via deficit reduction instead of stimulus.

When are you people going to stop thinking via political rhetoric and rightwing ideologies instead of valid analysis and facts?

Now that is delusional! Long time to go, and there are at least 4.2 million reasons why yesterday was a banner day for Mitt!

Let's see. 70% of the electorate didn't want this in the first place. Latest polls show about 60% would like to see this repealed. Big win for Barry? Oh, yeah.

The individual mandate does not affect the 80% of people that are covered either by a policy through their employer, Medicare or a private policy. This is the only portion of the ACA that the majority disagreed and most everyone liked the other parts that do affect them.

With four months before the election, this will end up being a big win for the President.

And Now Eric Cantor and the GOP challenges the supreme court ? On their ability to make a decision ? Because ROBERTS broke rank ?

It's not too late for the GOP to go running back to Newt Gingrich. That's exactly what the GOP needs right now...Ol' Newton to get Chief Justice Roberts down to the principal's office to explain his decision.

mpa - 90% of US citizens want ACA - see I can lie just like you with your made up figures!

DaNoid - ummmm - that won't work. Newt has a new er friend visiting right now. Justice Roberts will have to wait until she leaves - oh my! Will that be wifey #4?

Obama/Biden 2012

This ruling does not hurt Romney at all, if anything it has but the GOP into full support of getting Romney elected, I have even heard some Ron Bots backing Romney now to get this HORRIBLE LAW appealed.

Knuckle Heads, IF Romney Does Manage to do what he says. DO YOU THINK WON"T STILL BE PAYING????

He is not going to give you a golden platter! If anything he'll give you a golden........ right up your........!

Pay attention at what these people don't say or skirt around, what they talk about is a smoke screen to get your attention to the left hand so you don't see what the right hand is doing.

Romney is not politicaly schooled, trained, or groomed, he is a C E O. Synonamus with Chinese Employment Organization. His plan for dealing with the Chinese is how he get more jobs to them.

We have not had an elected 1 term President in a long time, I predict that IF elected, he will be the one.

if anything it has but the GOP into full support of getting Romney elected

Who were they going to vote for as of the day before yesterday?

Congratulations Mittens, you've managed to convince Republicans to vote for you. I'm underwhelmed.

Frank, you're wrong about the mandate not affecting 80% - this law will effect 100% of the insured, as it will drive costs up as it already has, it will dump millions into Medicaid, driving the paying insured costs up due to low reimbursement rates, it will close small community hospitals unable to care for this large influx of low-reimbursement patients (4 area hospitals within 50 miles of my city are already letting people know that they will be forced to close should the bill be completely implemented in 2014 specifically because they cannot run in the red, and Medical patients will cause this red ink).

If you do more than blame and call names, and read what medical professionals are actually talking about regarding this bill, you would know that it is a disaster. If you read Bill Ayers plan, and listen to Obama's speeches to the union folks for the past 10 years, you would know that his plan is to collapse private health insurance and force a single-payer system. This is from actual Obama speeches available from the major new services and YouTube.

Obama's plan is working perfectly, and now that he is exposed as the big fat liar that he is, by still screaming like a spoiled child "no no no, it is NOT a TAX!" we conclude that either the bill is unconstitutional (not a tax) or it is constitutional (it is a tax) and Obama wins the biggest con contest in world history.

Now the problem is tax bills must originate in the House, and this bill originated in the Senate. But who really cares what the constitution, bill of rights and all those silly amendments mean.

I find it hard to believe that Republicans spend their entire day trying to defeat a President who thinks more about the Middle Class and the Poor, than the Republicans think about at all. Romney has a real problem ahead, the Massachusetts Mandatory Healthcare Law is performing very well, and there are very few penalties for those who do not have healthcare insurance. By the way, Romney referred to those penalties as a "Tax" which means he is once again a "Flip-Floper".

The latest polls show that Americans want to keep and not repeal ACA, I don't know where you get your sources.

Nice try.

Also, give me a link to the supposed "21 taxes".

If you want the truth on health care then go to politifact.com or factcheck.org.

The ONLY way this hack will "accomplish" his (corporate) agenda is IF he gets elected. AND THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN, unless the Supremes get into the act. If for some reason 99% of this country has this election stolen from them again, then you bet your second amendment rights will be needed AND PRACTICED. The money of less than 1000 people in this country cannot and WILL NOT buy this election. We need to make sure our president has enough help in the Congress to do what is right for this country AND it's citizens. Those things are obtainable with help from the "do nothings" in Congress. Our future is secure ONLY if ALL OUR CITIZENS AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THIS COUNTRY'S BILLS. If you don't want to pay your share, DO NOT USE ANY PUBLIC SERVICES!

Mister Wonderful Imagination, health insurance premium increases in 2012 are the lowest since 1997. Given that your very first statement is untrue I'll skip over all the other unsupported claims you made and skip right to to the chase;

Stop whining about it being "unconstitutional." A majority of the SCOTUS has spoken. Your tea-induced delusions have been disproven. Move on.

Frank, you're wrong about the mandate not affecting 80% - this law will effect 100% of the insured, as it will drive costs up as it already has, it will dump millions into Medicaid, driving the paying insured costs up due to low reimbursement rates, it will close small community hospitals unable to care for this large influx of low-reimbursement patients (4 area hospitals within 50 miles of my city are already letting people know that they will be forced to close should the bill be completely implemented in 2014 specifically because they cannot run in the red, and Medical patients will cause this red ink).

So where are the uninsured millions getting their healthcare now? Oh, that's right, in emergency hospital rooms, when their condition is far more expensive to treat. Which we are paying for anyway, right now.

ObamaCare allows us to get a population which gets preventative treatment instead of just suffering until they are forced to go to an emergency room. This saves the taxpayer money.

Beyond that, no one seems to have mentioned this other simple fact: a healthier population is more productive, which is also good for the economy. Not only does ObamaCare save money, it allows Americans to live better.

Exactly Byron!

Byron Raum:

I can agree for your reasons to want a national health care program, but the ACA does not do that. It is an insurance law. It really has little to do with health care and treatment.

It requires for all legal residents to hold a policy. If they do not they are subject to a minor fine of a maximum of $695 or 2.5 % of their yearly income, which ever is higher. The fine is much less than purchasing almost any policy currently offered.

If we were really smart we would continue to work on a system that is a combination of a single payer system and a private system. Then private insurance companies would be competing on a fair level. I don't understand we're the most innovative country probaly in teh world and yet we can't figure out how to create a viable health care system? That doesn't make sense ,but what makes even less sense is to start over again from scratch with nothing and if you think your health care rates will go down then, you're in for a big surprise. I know for a fact that hospital stocks are not rising for no reason. They know that benefits coming down the road will be tremendous!

I'm voting Romney, can't get behind Cher. I didn't know that, what Cher said, that mormons wear underwear let alone magic underwear or whatever, it looks like Cher doesn't wear underwear, that's cool. I'll tell you what, that girl can sing, never mind her appearance.

Romney looks good, why mess about his underwear?

God Bless you President Obama for keeping my family Safe, and the Families of the poor, the downtrodden, all people of color, also policemen, firemen, and teachers, and all those still Undecided voters, Safe from all those Domestic Terrorists, crazy-wacko Teabaggers, knuckle-dragging, Neandrethal, gun-toting Republicans, and of course Mitt Romney, the "flip-flopper", and wannabe "Outsourcer and Chief", who wants to totally Destroy the Working and Middle-class.

That's why as a Republican, I'm encouraging all my Republican friends, Undecided Independent voters, and honorable Ron Paul supporters to Vote a straight Democratic "ticket", come this November 2012.

Remember Mitt Romny is from the GOP Republican party, who brought to you the hideous and horrific George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Haliburton, Blackwater, etc. etc. Did I mention Karl Rove? who now is hooked to the hip with Mitt Romney as the "little-turd" funnels millions and millions of questionable PAC dollars into Romney coffers. That's Not just wrong, that's Sick.

If the above isn't enough to make any and all Undecided Voters vote a straight Democratic "ticket", how about Mitt's hidden Swiss Bank accounts, his off-shore, money-laundering, Cayman Island shell-companies, all those lost and hidden years of his misplaced tax-returns, and if there is income Romney does report, it's only a 15% tax-rate, where the rest of us Working and Middle-class folk pay much, much More. Shame on you Mitt Romey.

So again I will declare and Shout it from the Rooftops: God Bless you President Obama for watching out for us Working and Middle-class, and stopping the "flip-flopping" wannabe ""Outsourcer and Chief" from Destroying us Freedom Loving Working and Middle-class folk. God Bless you President Obama.

Comedians have already made fun of Romney's Day 1 ads. All the crap he says he'll do would take a lifetime. In actuality, it's not ambitious from the perspective that it's about undoing not doing. Anyone can repeal, it's the replace part that matters.

Teapublicans likewise waste tax dollars by being the Party of No, obstructing, and basically protesting instead of governing. They should have to give all the pay and benefits back to The People.

What a Romney presidency would look like:

Day 1 –

Keystone Pipeline = Create some temporary jobs for Canadians and help Big Oil export tar sands to China, because that's the real world – Ya gotta reward your campaign donors, everyone knows that.

Tax cuts and reform = Take over a country in distress, end all entitlements/safety nets and liquidate government assets, add a least 5 trillion to the debt/deficits by cutting taxes for the rich and increasing defense spending, and redistributing wealth to the 1%.

"Repeal and Replace" health care reform = Leave debt-strapped states to deal with skyrocketing health care costs, with every man, woman, and child to fend for his/herself per the Romney Race to the Bottom Social Darwinism Doctrine.

This from David Letterman: Day 2 –

Ann Romney reminds Mitt he lost by a landslide.

Devdoc12able

This ruling does not hurt Romney at all, if anything it has but the GOP into full support of getting Romney elected, I have even heard some Ron Bots backing Romney now to get this HORRIBLE LAW appealed.

After Rand Paul tried to attach a "personhood" abortion amendment to the flood insurance bill, it is hard to tell who is worse. The Romney bobble-heads or the Ron Bots. My guess is some Ron Bots will stay home, write in Paul's name, or join with Occupy against the 1% and reelect the president. One thing we do know is once citizens see how good ACA is, it will be "appealed," as in appealing.

And now for Romney's attempt to distance himself from the "Obamneycare" and to pivot to the economy -- and the jobs he's never created, the jobs he's outsourced, the jobs he destroyed.

News Corp / Fox News, over the course of several months, ran their own polls as well as hired a few marketing analysis companies (Anderson Robbins Research, Shaw & Company, or Rasmussen) to poll Fox News viewers and voting conservatives across the nation, supposedly regardless of the respondents' political party affiliation.

Fox News also reported on the targeted polling of select demographics done by other conservative news and opinion websites. The intentionally biased outcomes of these Fox News-directed polls on political issues were never in doubt.

http://www.foxnews.com/topics/fox-news-polls.htm

Their results contradict the findings of independent polls managed by other marketing companies, and most of them (but not all) have nothing to do with Fox News.

http://www.thenorthstarnews.com/Story/Polls-Are-Contradictory-Relative-to-Obamas-Re-Election-Prospects

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Are all republican'ts deaf, dumb and blind? Including Mitt? He wants to repeal his own Romneycare then in Mass. as the Obamacare is a virtual clone of his own legislation. Yup! republicans will do anything for politics. Lie, cheat and steal!

Blah, blah, blah. Mitt, first of all you have to get elected, which is doubtful at best, and beyond that, dream on. It's another puppet placed in front us by the GOP...the real question should be, who is going to be the next Cheney behind Mitt should he by some chance due ONLY to the money behind him actually get bought into office?

Obama Care, Romney Care...Ketchup, Catsup, same difference.

Folks we have 2 evils here: Obama and Romney. The media has literally picked these two candidates.

Who owns the media? Not the American people.

Where is our tax money going? Not to any programs just to pay off debt created by the Federal Reserve.

Why do we pay taxes? To keep the fractional reserve banking system this country has had in place since 1913 going

Do we really have a choice for president? Not really, the more you try to get someone honorable elected the more election rigging that occurs.

Is there hope for the USA? Yes when the European currency fails and the American dollar falls we have a chance to start over but it won't be easy.

Both sides claim a victory here, eh? Let's look at the polls:

It’s an even split, with 46 percent agreeing and 46 percent disagreeing with the court’s Thursday decision, the Gallup poll shows. The results reveal sharply partisan lines — 79 percent of Democrats applaud the ruling while 83 percent of Republicans are against it. But independents are divided, with 45 percent agreeing and 42 percent disagreeing with the court’s decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act.

Overall, 50 percent of those polled said they disapprove of the court’s 5–4 decision, while 45 percent said they support it.

It is a dead heat!

Now, a poll to see whether the decision will help Obama's campaign:

47% YES

52% NO

This will not be an issue in the Nov election. It is the economy stupids!

Romney will not be able to overcome the huge albatross of George W. Bush and his economic failure around his neck.

That podium sign, "Repeal and Replace ..." is so cynical, and it is dishonest in the extreme.

Undoubtedly the Republicans in Congress, and Mr. Romney, if elected, will spend an inordinate amount of time obstructing, impeding and trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act ... a Bill which was written by the US Congress, was passed by a majority of both Houses of Congress, was signed into law by the President of the United States who was elected by 53% of the American voters, and then was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States and is now two-years into phased enactment of its beneficial health care provisions for the American people.

However, the Republicans will not spend one moment of effort toward "Replacement" legislation, after they successfully take away from the American people the much needed provisions of the Affordable Care Act.

If honest about his intentions, Mr. Romney's podium sign would have read "Repeal and Ignore"

John B, Des Moines, IA:

Mister Wonderful Imagination, health insurance premium increases in 2012 are the lowest since 1997. Given that your very first statement is untrue I'll skip over all the other unsupported claims you made and skip right to to the chase;

I not sure where you are getting that data, but I doubt if that is correct across the USA. The companies I own in the USA saw an average increase in premiums of 18.4% within 30 days of the signing of the ACA in Y2010. Y2011 and Y2012 saw the same increase, with Y2012 being 19.3% increase. Prior to the passing of the ACA, we never ever saw more than a 7%.

We are a large employer in the USA with about 63,500 employees. They all receive the same level of insurance - medical, dental, vision, and we offer matching term life insurance for all full time employees. Our policies are premium quality coverage and we pay for 100% for singles and family coverage. Employees can choose a high level of coverage if the elect to do so, but that is rare.

I might add we have very little employee turnover in our companies and we have never ever had a layoff.

Maurice-387309:

The Republican Party has in the past supported a public/private sector program.

I would like to have seen a private/public health care provider system similar to what we have currently, with a federal payer system utilizing an individual health care accounts. My plan would consist of each legal resident of any age, have a federal issued health care account that the individual could choose how best to spend it with certain restrictions. The moment a child is born or the second a person is admitted into the USA as a resident, they receive an account and funds for their account. They choose their care provider. They could even add funds into their account for future needs. All medial care fees would be regulated by an state board of non medical or non insurance personnel. Medical malpractice charges would be reviewed and judged by a state board of medical and non medical professionals. If a malpractice charges are up held, the dollar amount is a preset amount based on the location. Zero law suits. Malpractice lawsuits would be illegal to file.

Each person would be issued a medical account card similar to a credit card (photograph on it). The person would use the card for payment to the health care provider at the time of treatment. A person's account would have every medical treatment, issue, medication, x-ray, etc. on it.

There is a better way, but the ACA is not it.

You know what else would be fun if we (unfortunately) find ourselves in Willard World? Watching him squirm after two years and seeing him try to use the old 'Blame Obama' mantra. After all, they have been saying for quite some time that none of this is Party Boy Bush's fault. I'm sure they would use reverse logic and conveniently point to his predecessor as the cause of all his problems..

Homer, while that's a great plan and I agree, do you think all those lawyers in DC are going to allow that to happen?

FrankH-1860605The individual mandate does not affect the 80% of people that are covered either by a policy through their employer, Medicare or a private policy.

Really? How about you taking a couple days off and reading the 7000 page bill.

1. Cuts in Medicare coverage started in 2011 and will continue to phase in over 7 years.

2. The threshold for deducting medical expenses (unreimbursed) would be raised to 10% of income from 7.5%, so many will lose the current tax deductions. If by chance you have a large medical expense in a particular year, ie surgery, that deduction difference can be a lot of money for a middle class person paying for their own insurance.

3. Starting in 2013, the maximum amount you can set aside pre-tax for health care costs in a flexible spending account will be reduced from $5,000 to $2,500. Most employer's plans which cost are taken off your Gross wages, then taxed.

4. 2013 - Medicare payroll tax will rise to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals who earn over $200,000 and married couples earning over $250,000. (This hits most middle class small business owners)

5. Medicare Part A (hospital insurance) tax rate would be increased by 0.9 percent, to 2.35 percent. This is elderly fixed income people!!!

6. Insurers raised prices in anticipation of new rules that would, in 2012, require them to justify any increase of more than 10 percent. The average annual premium for family coverage through an employer reached $15,073 in 2011, an increase of 9 percent over the previous year. The bill doesn't stop Insurance companies from raising their premiums, and they can raise them up to 10% a year without questions. And if you think they won't raise them on the 80%, your naive to say the least.

This is just a few incidents on how this will affect people, even those 80% you state are covered. As Justice Roberts stated, this Health care bill is nothing more than a Tax. EVERYONE will be paying more taxes some way or another.

John B, Des Moines, IA: Mister Wonderful Imagination, health insurance premium increases in 2012 are the lowest since 1997.

Sight your sources JB. Certainly cannot be legitimate sources. First off, sure 2012 would be lower since there would be no figures for 2012, since the year has yet to end. ROTHFL

Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit research group that tracks employer-sponsored health insurance on a yearly basis, state in their current survey that the annual growth in premiums, had slowed in recent years to 5 percent, rising just 3 percent in 2010. But their survey states that the average annual premium for family coverage through an employer reached $15,073 in 2011, an increase of 9 percent over the previous year. I wouldn't say an increased of 3% in 2010 then 9% in 2011 would be lower, not when it doubled in 2011.

Census has yet to come out with 2011 figures let alone 2012.

Funny they are losing the Jobs/Economy argument with no detail of how to fix it so now Job 1 is to repeal ACT. So stated Sunday morning by the house leader his slimmy self. Funny if he had to pay for his health care he might not spend so much time in the tanning bed.

We can expect to see several stories about how Bain Capital laid some people off in their attempts to save companies from bankruptcies, and how 'devastating' it was to those involved, but what you won't see reported in the media are stories about the millions of lower middle income families who are struggling to get by on limited net incomes of about $2,000 to $3,000 per month who will now have to spend as much as $10,000 per year for 'acceptable health insurance, or face fines and taxes.

Ironically, this is the same group that voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 – I guess you might call that 'retribution'.

I'm all of these post that have everybody up in arms about. Here is the real reason we should be up in arms about, the sell of our country to all these multi-national corporations, read the following:

George Carlin(May 12, 1937 - June 22, 2008)
"The American Dream"Theres a reason why education sucks and its the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. Its never gonna get any better, dont look for it, be happy with what you got. Because the OWNERS of this country dont want that. Im talking about the real owners now. the REAL owners. The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You dont. You have no choice. You have owners. They OWN you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations theyve long since bought and paid for the Senate the Congress the State Houses the City Halls they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. THEY GOT YOU BY THE BALLS! They spend BILLIONS of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying to get what they want. Well we KNOW what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I'll tell you what they DONT want. They dont want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They dont want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. Theyre not interested in that. That doesnt help them. Thats against their interests. They dont want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly theyre getting f***ed by a system that threw them overboard thirty f***ing years ago, they dont want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly sh***ier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And NOW theyre comin' for your social security money. They want your f***ing retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it! Theyll get it all from you sooner or later because they OWN this f***ing place. Its a big club... and YOU AINT IN IT. You and I are not in the big club. By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you over the head all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head in their media telling you what to believe what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice.. nobody seems to care... Good honest hard-working people. White-collar, blue-collar, it doesnt matter what color shirt you have on, good honest hard-working people continue - these people of modest means - continue to elect these rich c**k suckers who dont give a F*** about them. They dont give a F*** about you, they dont GIVE a F*** about you. They dont CARE about you. At ALL, at ALL, at ALL! Man...You know? And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care... Thats what the owners count on - the fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red white and blue d**k thats being jammed up their a**holes everyday because the owners of this country know the truth... Its called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

Gee I realize Rush, Sean, Glenn, Huck, and the other nattering nabobs of negativity are constantly whining about exploding health care costs. Too bad their audiences trust these liars so implicitly they make no effort to confirm the facts;

New data on health spending suggests the nation is in a fourth consecutive year of historically low growth, continuing a trend of roughly 4 percent growth since 2009. Health care spending grew by just 3.9 percent in April 2012 relative to April 2011, down slightly from the 4.0 percent growth rate observed in March 2012. Health care prices in April 2012 were 1.9 percent higher than in April 2011, but this increase has brought price growth barely above its February 2012 14-year low of 1.8 percent.

http://www.altarum.org/research-initiatives-health-systems-health-care/altarum-center-for-studying-health-spending/health-indicator-reports

The Affordable Care Act is NOT causing health care costs to increase.

John B, Des Moines, IA

I'm not sure where you get your numbers (possibly made them up), but here are the official GDP figures from the government;

2008 = $14.394 Trillion

2011 = $15.094 Trillion.

That's an average growth rate of only 1.6% per year, versus an average growth rate of 4.9% per year under Bush over his 8 years.

Mission Impossible? Are you sure we're not talking about all of Obama's broken promises during his first and only term?

ROY WILSON-336103 -- Hahaha, John B posted a link for the quote with those numbers.

The bottom line is thanks to ACA insurance companies must apply 80% of premiums to actual health care provision. That's why over 1 billion in refund checks are expected to go out to folks by the end of the summer.

For these health insurance companies to participate in the Exchange, they must meet qualifications and abide by regulations. So health insurance companies are starting to mind their Ps and Qs. ¿Comprende? Roy?

Now we return to the program in progress... Mission Impossible for Mitt 1% Romoney...

tunanut:

Perhaps not. In Washington D.C., they try to make all things complex when it does not have to be.

If it is one thing lawyers do not know anything about, it is how to successfully manage a business. Charging me $5.00 for a soft drink while driving to an appointment is not good customer relations.

TruePatriot-445959:

Yes, having read the PP and ACA, I understand the 80% of premiums to actual health care provision rule. The question I have is this: what percentage of the 80% must go to health care. Not administrative costs or other similar fees from the health care provider. If you can point that out to me, I would be thankful.

Tell you what TP, Roy's fundamental inability to comprehend numbers is always one of his most charming attributes. He completely misses that my link is all about growth in HEALTH CARE COSTS, which have slowed dramatically of late.

Meanwhile to his own point he has no understanding that averages don't matter given that the economy was CONTRACTING at 6% annualized as of Election Day 2008. From that baseline the economy has swung 8% in a positive direction under the President's leadership.

John B, Des Moines, IA "Tell you what TP, Roy's fundamental inability to comprehend numbers is always one of his most charming attributes."

With an MBA in Finance, I 'comprehend numbers' just fine, but I also use official government sources for my data, not biased sites that 'tweak' their numbers to sell a story. With the Internet you can find 'sources' to support any position that you choose, but I only trust official sources, and usually limit my links to reliable ones.

And yet I cite the rate of increase in health care costs and you counter with GDP growth.

If you comprehend the difference then you're misusing numbers deliberately and deceptively.

Good to know.

Again Homer - if the Republicans supported a plan as you have laid out why did they never propose it or push it through

My dear man - the Republicans are still trying to repeal Social Security - how many years after FDR

I have no hope for the Republicans at this point - they walk around like spoiled children - face it they hate anything that benefits - what they deem to be the great unwashed - even though we bathe everyday

I have an Economics degree from U of C and actually had Milton Friedman as one of my professors - I felt what can I say the same BS coming from him as I had on my 12 years of Catholic Education

The best course I ever took was "Logical Thinking" I guess that's why I adored Spock - on the Enterprise - everything he said was logical and thought out

What I am seeing in today's discourse - nothing is logical - more people in the pool - less costs to everyone

Cover our least citizens so that they too can thrive - if I have a garden why would I not water it or feed ample fertilizer - illogical - because they will bear fruit if well fed and I will benefit

Pre-Natal Care to insure babies are born strong and healthy - because in the long run we don't have to pay to make them thus

Why do we have thousands of people lined up at clinics because they cannot afford to see a doctor and haven't seen one in five years - because they couldn't afford it and their employees don't pay for it

And most of all what really gauls me is Mitch McConnel standing there - a draft dodger who had a doctor - yes sir a doctor say he is inegible for the draft because he had a rare desease of his eyes and he would be blind by the age of thirty - where is his seeing eye dog?

EXACTLY!

Now if we could just work on EDUCATION mandates! lol - we'd really see the Tighty Righties explode!

I got an idea how about we mandate what you can eat? and mandate what you can drive? and mandate what color you can paint your house?

Yes lets all be sheep to the government then we don't have to think for ourselves and life will be grand!!

Devdoc12able- or mandate what women can do with their bodies; or what consenting adults can do in their bedrooms - oh wait - you WANT to mandate that, right? Despicable right wingers sheep - oh and you have plans for them too I hear!

Well Devdoc12able - They do mandate that we have auto insurance when we drive. They do have auto safety standards, and if you are driving on the roadway with a vehicle that is deemed to be unsafe, they pull you over, site you, and tow your vehicle if needed. If your house is within a community, like the one George Zimmerman was patrolling, the Home Owners Association (HOA) tells each home owner what color the paint on their house must be. In New York, you cannot serve food in a restaurant or serve cokes in containers larger than sixteen ounces without getting penalized for not conforming to city mandates for food and drink. If you eat at a fast food restaurant today, you must be a sheep.

The right wing is selectively ignorant of the real world. Right now they are running around in circles and crying about the falling sky, but they ignore the actual facts of the health care bill and how it works. They only know what Rush and FOX News tells them. Who dresses these delusional people in the morning?

Sailcat-2064101:

The right wing is selectively ignorant of the real world. Right now they are running around in circles and crying about the falling sky, but they ignore the actual facts of the health care bill and how it works.

Please tell us how the ACA works. Have your read the ACA?

America wake up vote out of office all these Blue Dogs Democratic and all Dam Republicans out of STATE And FEDERAL. AMERICA WAKE UP.

I have researched the program and I have discovered most of the nonsense being spouted by the right wing lunatic fringe on this site is false and misleading. Most of these deluded individuals get their news from Rush and FOX News, though, so it is safe to say they are clearly uninformed.

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/healthreform/

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8061.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

A link to the entire law can be found at this site:

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/index.html

I don't rely on right wing, neo-fascist zombie sites to digest the news and regurgitate it for me. How about you?

I agree with you, Sailcat, I did similar research on what marketing analysis companies were doing the polling on political issues, and I found a sizable proportion of them were hired by Fox News to survey respondents coming from conservatively narrow demographics in this country. The outcome of these intentionally biased polls of conservatives were never in doubt.

Fortunately for us, the majority of polling done about political issues, President Obama and other players in Congress came from independent market analysis companies that have little to do with Fox News. Their polls yield opposite results from the ones that Fox News hired to do their research.

If you like, you can reference the comments I left behind on this current NewsVine webpage, #3.22 - Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:06 PM PDT, for more information.

Another source of information on the Act: www. cbo.gov/search/apachesolr_search/affordable%20health%20care%20act?keys=health%20care&op=search

Thank you, Sailcat, for shutting up Homer Adams. Hopefully, he went back and started reading himself after getting his bluff called.

Da Noid:

President Obama should try to get it below 10% since it is currently 17.8%. That is not a typo - 17.8% is the actual U-6 figure. The U-6 figure is the number that all other Administration have been publishing since the employment figures were collected. The Obama Administration is using their own figuration.

The U-6 is just one of several being quoted for a particular time on a graph. There are others, like the U-2, U-3, and so on. And the trend of overall unemployment has been going down since November of last year, since according to economists the economy is on the mend from the Great Recession that started on G.W. Bush's watch.

According to FactCheck, its mostly the right-wing leadership on Capitol Hill and in Republican-dominated States are distorting their reporting of the percentages of different "U's" to support whatever political hyperbole they want to support at the time, and sometimes, depending on which measurement they tell the local Press, contradicts a different measurement of unemployment going on their own respective states they were once governors of, or are currently representing them as congressmen.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/whats-the-real-jobless-rate/

Oddly enough, all this talk about what statistics are being used for unemployment are a new thing. George W. Bush was more than happy with the standard definition of joblessness... until he crashed the entire American economy! Then, but only then, we had to worry about who was doing the counting and how!

Face it, no matter how you measure it, Bush did a @!$%#ty job! And Obama is doing better than Bush did!

EEngineer:

So please explain how G W Bush had an average unemployment rate of 4.7% for his eight (8) years as the USA President? Which was the same average as W J Clinton...

My source? The USA Department of Labor.

rradiko:

Yes, I very aware of the different ratios in the monthly state and national employment reporting (I have one degree in Economics). The Obama Administration just recently admitted publicly they have been under reporting the unemployment figures for the past 47 months. I do not listen to any radio show, watch TV news shows, or listen to nationally political people for my research/data. I do my own.

You can spin it any way you choose, but the Obama Administration has changed the reporting methods to suit their needs.

So please explain how G W Bush had an average unemployment rate of 4.7% for his eight (8) years as the USA President? Which was the same average as W J Clinton...

My source? The USA Department of Labor.

Well, you obviously can't read! My source: Bureau of Labor Statistics

Ask it to graph the unemploynment from 2000 to 2008. Note that George W. Bush was sworn in with an unemployment rate of 4.0%. By the end of 2001, it was 5.7%. By the end of 2002, it was 6.0%.

See, the average over Bush's 8 years just don't tell the tale. Let's look at averages on a year to year basis.

2000 - 4.0% (still working with Clinton's budget)

2001 - 4.7%

2002 - 5.8%

2003 - 6.0%

2004 - 5.5%

2005 - 5.1%

2006 - 4.6%

2007 - 4.6%

2008 - 5.8%

How in the hell does that average out to 4.7%???

Not only that , when George W. Bush left office in January, 2009, unemployment was at 7.8% and rising faster than Halliburton's profits! Georgie got out at just the right time. His mistakes would lead to peak unemployment rates of 10%. Of course, that was Obama's fault, wasn't it?

Hahahahaha! Go play your funny number games somewhere else!

I am sure not one of you Liberal nut jobs has completely read the Obamacare Bill. I have, cover to cover!

Congratulations...you win a free set of steak knives!

Yeah, TeaPeople in Congress screamed that the bill was too big to read, 2000+ pages.

Now, flip...Issa says that 7000+ pages in his witch hunt is not enough!

Can't read 2000, but 7000, Hell Yes they can... and want more!...lol

have, cover to cover!

Sure you have.

Yeah right. And that's all you could come up with genius? Yer F-ed buddy.

Job1:

have, cover to cover!

Sure you have

Perhaps your read the ACA too. It is 2,409 pages (Certified Full-Text Versions).

Enjoy!!!

Boy don't you sound like you could read anything much less a legal document. Give it up and try some reality, it takes time but in the end you don't have to live with your hypocrisy and things seem much brighter than while you listen to Rush.

I am sure not one of you Liberal nut jobs has completely read the Obamacare Bill. I have, cover to cover! What a crock!

What an intelligent, well-reasoned argument! Since you have read it cover-to-cover, pray tell me... which parts do you not agree with, why and what the hell do you mean?

Obama is leading us to bankruptcy. Check out US Debt Clock.ORG. Its interactive and will show you the numbers for 2004, 2008, 2012 as well as projections for 2016. PLEASE take a look and make your own conclusions.

When measured against GDP (eliminating inflation) we are at 100% of GDP.

In 1946 we were at 125% of GDP. We were on a path to pay it off in full by about 2000 until President Reagan increased spending while cutting taxes. When he took office it was paid down to 37% of GDP but by the time President Clinton took the office it had nearly doubled to 69% of GDP.

Dennis, realy, can we look AHEAD and stop re-hashing the past, nothing is going to change the past, but we can change the future.

Dennis - no point in arguing with GermanGem - she knows EVERYTHING - even when she knows absolutely nothing! And, all the facts in the world won't persuade her! She's a true Republican!

Obama/Biden 2012

Facts show that the so called President Obama spending binge never happened. Under Obama we have had the slowest spending in decades.

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor

http://mediamatters.org/research/201205240001

Bush spent 6.3 trillion in 8 years. Obama spent 6.2 trillion in 3.5 years.

Food Stamp recipients 2008- 22,000,000 Food Stamp recipients 2012- 46,000,000

US DebtClock.ORG A Non-Partisan orginization.

Like I said, the President Obama spending binge never happened.

Job1 - GermanGem doesn't care about facts. She thinks President Obama voted "late" when he was in the Senate!

LOL Gem is so amusing. She posts that she wants you to look at the debt clock from 2004 then turns around and says "stop looking to the past". What a dunce.

Job snob......Your numbers only add up of you do not count Obummers just 18 months in office were in 9 months he spent more than most Presidents spend in two terms.

GG certainly worked fast to change the subject. To repeat Gabriel's very important point;

When will Mitt Romney tell us HOW he will accomplish all these amazing things?

John, he's told us time and again ... the day AFTER he's elected! :)))))

Layton: Correct - after he is elected.

A lot of good that is going to do us. If the Rebublicians or the Democrats can't tell me their plans for then - now, I'll have to toss a coin.

Then again my son (who just got a letter - before the vote - that his student loan was going up 2.5%) feels no matter who is elected president it won't matter. The money has already chosen the president and the agenda for the next four years......

GermanGem

I can understand why you do not want to "rehash" the past. Its in the past where the seeds of the 2007-2009 meltdown were planted. In 1980 Reagan was elected president, he wasn't the man for the job, he had a very relaxed manner in the way he administered, delegating and not really being fully engaged in the process. This is why the Friedmanites were able to take control of the economic agenda and implement their "trickle down" theories, which have proved disastrous for American manufacturing and the middle class pocketbooks. We can now look back on over 30 years of greater return of investment for the top 1% and ever dwindling returns for the hard working efforts of the middle class. Face it the Republican economic model is the problem, to continue with it expecting better results is just plain nuts.

Obama is leading us to bankruptcy. Check out US Debt Clock.ORG. Its interactive and will show you the numbers for 2004, 2008, 2012 as well as projections for 2016. PLEASE take a look and make your own conclusions.

I already have and I make no secret about it here. No matter what you say, Obama still has a long way to go to match George W. Bush's record for spending. Sorry, Republicans had their chance, we have already seen what they did to the national debt and we are still suffering from it. Offer me up anything other than the same George W. Bush policies (Romney = George W. Bush all over again) and maybe, just maybe, I will vote Republican again.

Until then, blow me GOP!

Love it, when some one asks what would you do to fix anything the posters here ignore the simple question and say Obama hasn't done this or that. Do any of you see how a lack of any information in your response makes you look even a tiny bit intelligent? Get off it, tells what you can do? It only means to me that you don't know. Cheap response don't you think? Then again if you don't have any education you probably don't know how to have a simple discussion much less write anything. Give it up, what would Romney do, what would you do? Just tell us so we can make our own decision. Right now don't expect anyone to go your way with this kind of argument.

DanG! Just when I thought I was prettty welll set up for the SUmmmer SOmething like this comes along and I realize I have to make a list of things to do should I be elected President! Even though as the Whig party candidate I don't have a big chance of getttting enugh votes, if this ROmney character - who is a dead man walking if ever there were one - is making a list I guess I should, too. After alll the page has turned on both the Re[publicans and the WHigs. It';s just the REpubicans are stilll tooo numb to know it.

In the "old" days, U.S. presidential candidates who were running for office would clearly explain their positions on important issues. A presidential candidate had a political platform and voters would evaluate the candidate's platform and then decide whether or not to vote for that person. Pretty simple and straightforward approach. Logical.

It seems the trend we see today in American politics is for presidential candidates to run for presidential office but to make sure that they are intentionally vague about their political positions and to delay announcing their platform for as long as possible.

I'd like to think that both U.S. presidential candidates have the best interests of the majority of the American population in mind and that when I closely examine their political positions and platforms that I might have a difficult time deciding who to vote for. However, I've determined that when facts are gathered this individual voting decision is frequently based on wedge issues that political party headquarters have already studied and pre-calculated how the American public will likely vote. It's a numbers game and it's become all about winning the election at any cost regardless of whether the outcome the next 4 years will be most beneficial for our country or not. Pretty disgusting to witness the tainted process today and how far it has drifted away from its puristic roots.

So while we're on the topic of things that disgust me about American politics...

1) Why is it that the Republican party is so eager to suppress voters all across the nation for this upcoming 2012 presidential election?

Do a little research on this subject and you'll find the Republican party has been working hard to pass new legislation across the country that will prevent certain groups from voting in November that would likely vote Democrat in the upcoming election.

Those would-be voters most affected by the Republican party's efforts are young people and minorities. Pretty sad to see that in 2012 certain political parties (Republican) are trying to steal victory of an election by cheating and disallowing certain people from voting. Shameful behavior is an understatement.

2) Why is the Republican party so interested in redistricting voting areas prior to November's election?

My impression of districting is that it makes no sense to change voting areas so that your candidates will win. It sounds like it should be illegal since you're basically stealing the victory and rigging the election. Oh wait, maybe that's what matters to the Republican party. It's not all about getting majority approval of your ideas by the American people. It's just necessary to win the election at whatever cost and then implement policies that are beneficial to a small percentage of very wealthy individuals within the American population. (Many within that small percentage funded your presidential campaign. Yes, but they also have the money to fund Republican presidential candidates because taxes on the very wealthy are not what they used to be). Hmm... I think I'm starting to understand this Republican party's political strategy now. Buy the election outcome, if you can.

3) Why do we have bloggers on here that still support the Republican party and think that Mitt Romney is worth voting for?

Well, it must be because they're either wealthy and know that Mitt Romney if elected won't reinstate the tax on wealthy people because they're funding his campaign along with many corporations.

Or, I'm willing to bet that some of these bloggers on here that support the Republican party and Mitt Romney are simply paid by the Republican-backed anonymous political groups to defend and support the Republican party at any cost.

So, I guess my point here is this: It is what it is. Don't think you're going to convince certain people on here to change their minds when they're paid by the "other team" to blog. Do keep blogging and defending the rights our forefathers and ancestors fought so hard to gain. American is still a great country. Good luck!

P.S. One last thing to all those paid Republican bloggers that are just itching to respond to hit their monthly quota. I'm a political independent voter, not a Democrat. It's tough to argue with the facts. I'm politically neutral until election day but I think the writing is on the wall and we all know who NOT to vote for...

If you're wondering which way I'm leaning to vote in November 2012, here is a hint:

What party led us into the worst U.S. economic recession since the Great Depression?: Republican

What party led us out of the worst U.S. economic recession since the Great Depression?: Democrat

Yes yes, he'll fulfill all the good promises and fix all the bad things Obama did. Romney is awesome. Now, has he stated HOW he plans to do these things?

*For example, how does he plan to implement a healthcare bill without ensuring everyone pays into it?

*How does he plan to lower (or simply not raise) taxes but lower the debt? How is he going to repeal financial reforms while guaranteeing we won't risk another recession?

* How does he plan to restrict trade with China when China owns a large chunk of the US and, even if they aren't technologically superior to us, outnumbers us by a large margin?

His details will follow Gabriel. Whatever the case, we are taking a chance, just like we did last election.

Gem we all know how poorly the last election worked out. President Obama has proven he is horrible a leader. No way Romney can be worse than Obama. I'll vote for a change in 2012

Yes Duane, Obama has been a disappointment. Lets give Romney a chance and go from there.

Looking Forward to Change in the White House and in the Senate in 2012

Duane - don't hold your breath. Oh wait - DO hold your breath! This is going to be fun!

Democrats = Sheep ...just dumber...

If Obama had the unemployment numbers at 35% Fisty, Job snob,seeking insanity....would stil spend all day on here praise their King.

Obama has added more to the debt in one term than any other President in US history,

Obama has the first ever US credit rating downgrade.

Obama will be the fist President in history to have a net lose in job creation.

Devdoc12able - and the problems we are facing - including the credit rating downgrade are attributable to the Republicans in congress! Typical GOP - good for nothing!

So it's Romney's "backbone" that causes him to shift his position to whichever way he thinks will get him elected? Priceless.

Devdoc12able

"If Obama had the unemployment numbers at 35% Fisty, Job snob,seeking insanity....would stil spend all day on here praise their King." Derp. We are a Democracy.

"Obama has added more to the debt in one term than any other President in US history"-

your a moron. Thinking it was accomplished by just one man. One Administration. It has been this way FOR A LONG TIME MY FRIEND, the idiot.

Obama has the first ever US credit rating downgrade.- It was BOUND TO HAPPEN SOMETIME!

Obama will be the fist President in history to have a net lose in job creation. I say B.S. You must mean loss. I still say B.S.

You GOPteabagnutjobs are pitiful!! Obama is gonna whoop that A@# in November. He's doing more for our country than Bush did, and Romney has nooooooo chance. The man can't put 2 sentences together without mentioning Obama's name. Romney hasn't told us HOW he will do anything. Just sticking to talking points, which are empty words. Obama had to spend to keep this country going, thanks to the GOP and Bush. So, take your toys and go home you nutbags... Romney and his crazies are losing their minds... get ready to see them implode!

There are 2 types of people that still support this, by all measures, FAILED president. FOOLS & IDIOTS.

LPF, which of the 2 are you?

ssmithlg - there is only one type person who supports Romney and that kind of person is both a Fool AND an idiot. Guess that pretty much sums you up!

Obama/Biden 2012

All you dumb a@s Red Necks.

Gem we all know how poorly the last election worked out.

Yeah, we do:

...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 = 8149

DJIA May 19, 2012 = 12369

Dec 29, 2008 U.S. corporate earnings probably fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

President Obama has proven he is horrible a leader.

Given the contrast between Obama and the last Republican leader, I can't see how you make this statement.

No way Romney can be worse than Obama.

Well, now, lessee... George W. Bush was a total failure, Romney wants to continue George W. Bush policies and Obama has reversed the trend of Bush's failures. Sorry, there are a whole lotta ways that Romney can be one helluva lot worse than Obama.

Romneycare refuses to tell us the details, but we are supposed to just 'give him a chance'?? Are you kidding me?

Pay no attention to the man standing behind the curtain!

Pat Boston MA. who writes:

Romney was a lousy governor and will be an even lousier president.

And Pat what did President Obama do as a Senator except vote present and late all the time. He also was a junior Senator.

By your standards then Romney would make a much much better President.

Concern Citizen - Romney wouldn't even make a good sanitation engineer - way above his pay grade.

EVERY senator has, at times voted present (he didn't vote late - there is no LATE vote! Do you idiots just make this up as you go? Oh that's right - you do!) Every Senator is a Junior Senator at some time - sheish you are clueless!

Romney was so disliked he didn't even run for a 2nd term as Governor of MA. He is nothing but a little puppet for the right wingers!

Obama/Biden 2012

Seekingsanity, you like to make up things to prove your warped insane mind.

I did not say he voted late, I said he vote present and was always late. His own Party reported that.

Have you not heard what time he gets up in the Mornings?

You of all the libs are the worst, more than Feisty. You get the Award IDIOT.

Concern - read your post - you said exactly what I stated. If you don't know how to write, try getting someone to show you! He was NOT always late. Try again with your stupidity and lies.

He is up in the mornings way before you even think about having your feet hit the floor and stays up much later than you at night. But then, he actually works - nothing like you.

You are the most idiotic of all the right wingers - and that says a lot. You can't stand me because I call you on your stupidity - daily!

Obama/Biden 2012

By the way Concern ... do you even know what this ....

He also was a junior Senator.

Means??????? Let me give you a tiny little education and I will do it S L O W L Y. Each State has two (2) Senators. The one with the longer tenure (been in his office longer than the other) is the SENIOR Senator, the other, newer to the office Senator is the JUNIOR Senator. This has no bearing on anything other than which one gets the bigger office. Again, CHECK your facts and possibly think about making Google your home page.

Oh and Seeking ... she's like a trainwreck ... you really should look away but you just can't help yourself! (She's my personal favorite trainwreck as she only comments on her "brakes." She posted that weeks ago and the total typo thing is just stuck in my head. As Forrest's mama said, "stupid is as stupid does."

Layton, you must be one of those Liberals that I keep talking about. You know the ones that are so much more intelligent than the rest of us. You really have to be an idiot to remember what I posted weeks ago. You Moronic idiot. Do you also have something against Autism. You idiot/

Concern, I am a liberal, progressive, Democrat with a brain. This little comment sweetheart. ...

You really have to be an idiot to remember what I posted weeks ago. You Moronic idiot

I remember and guess what cutie pie? I use my OWN brain to remember things.

Do you also have something against Autism

JM&J ..... you are now claiming you are Autistic????

and the idiot comment .... N I C E.

Mitt Romney's bus has been labeled the "Third Grade Express." Go jump on that one kitten .. they just might speak your language . . . . .

Concerned Citzen: BTW if you notice, Romney hasn't had a job and hasn't made a government decision in quite some time so how do you rate a guy that doesn't work or contribute? Oh yeah, thats right a slime bag is the normal GOP talking point itsn't it? I bet he has been collecting unemployment bene's, we oughta check. But heck for you guys it isn't about reality is it. Just the color of the presidents skin.

Swallow, that's a good point. Romneycare has had two paying jobs. One, as founder of Bain Capital, which specialized in hostile takeovers, where 25% or more of the companies eventually filed for bankruptcy and closed. Bain made money. Their other efforts were for companies that did outsourcing. So, he created jobs, I guess. In China and India.

His other job was Governor of MA. During his tenure, they were number 47 out of the 50 states. Yeah, he was a job machine.

Since then, he has been a Professional Campaigner. That's it.

Funny Duane, so you can't respond to the question, not very intelligent, only means you have no answer to march on. Quit, tell us something you or he would do so we can make a decision of whether he would make a good candidate to vote for. This is really stupid always pointing to the past and not responding to a new idea (which I know is hard to accept but you know what, new ideas are what make this country sucessful).

Fairly Unreliable Bob

Really? Are you kidding me? Jane Fonda, the left's buddy, shot at our pilots in Vietnam. She also betrayed the American POW's. Your buddy Bill Clinton dodged the draft, and literally spoke his disdain for the military. The libs are constantly crying about the "military establishment", and outwardly criticized our troops for "murdering over 100,000 Iraqi's.

You can't be serious?? As for the Vietnam war, who were the ones that called the soldiers "baby killers"? THE LEFT. Who were the ones that spit on our soldiers returning from Vietnam? THE LEFT.

In my opinion, and according to the history as I pointed out here, the left is by far, the most anti-military group there is. Apparently you don't know @!$%# about the military Bob, so shut the f--K up. I do.

Oh. And one more thing. Please tell me how much time Obama did in boots. ZERO.

Dude calm down. All Fairly Unreliable Bob is trying to point out is rommney IN fact PROMOTED. THEN

he sided with his dad that the whole Viet Nam War was a scam and that he

was against the war. He skipped off to FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a coward. I served 13 years in the military. M.P. And I am on the "left." Doesn't make me horrible.

But you....your an ugly sour person aren't you? You should see somebody about that. Oh the Libbie's! The horrible deplorable Libbie's! Cry baby.

13BVET

Your argument is specious, Jane Fonda will never be our president, so who gives a flying @!$%# about her? Obama was never called, nor was there any reason for him to volunteer, again a bull@!$%# statement.

Bill Clinton disdain for the military, well maybe that's a good thing when one considers that by following the military's advice we suffer this mission creep that goes from kicking enemy combatant ass to nation building a @!$%#-hole of a country that will never be our friend even after we dump 50 to 100 billion into the effort. The whole idea of the President being Commander in Chief is not so that he follows the military's lead, but that he leads the military, although republicans everywhere will chime in "he's not following the commanders in field's advice", they conveniently forget what the President's first priority is, and that is to manage the country's economic well being, a responsibility that republicans have abdicated in deference to the military-industrialists that Eisenhower warned them about.

In order to manage the country's well being, the President must evaluate all government actions for their viability, Afghanistan long ago showed itself to be a non-viable proposition and instead of dumping more and more American treasure and losing more American lives, the President should order a pullout, to continue to follow the advice of the military, whose leadership has the narrow focus of "winning", just doesn't make sense in the present economic environment.

As a vet myself there is no way I would ever vote for Romney for several reasons related to the military. First, yes his failure to serve during Viet Nam. I in no way shape or form wanted to serve in Viet Nam thus when I got my draft notice I enlisted in a field in the Army that would keep me out of Viet Nam, yet serve with pride. Not only did Romney not serve but none of his five healthy strapping sons served either. Just as he let others serve years ago for him, his sons are letting others serve in their place. Also, listening to Romney being as hawkish as he is, we can count on him sending us into another armed conflict, all the while letting others fight for them. Really sick and to me treasonous. For the record I currently have a son on active duty.

Thanks Bob,?

Seems to be a GOP theme, Romney runs off on a religious crusade, which he could have done at any time but used it to avoid the draft, Bush didn't show up and the number of GOP or their kids with any milityary experience can be counted on one hand. What is the term for this behavior.....If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck......

Steve, that was excellent. A very thoughtful statement and oh so true. The one Republican president I hold in high esteem was Eisenhower. As a 6 or 7 year old I remeber clearly his radio speech telling us to fear the military industrial complex as they will run the country into ruin. That coming from someone who you might think would be very supportive of military strength.

You can always tell you got them when they have to try and change the subject. Obama may not have served but he did spend time with public service, did Romney ever have such an item on his gilded resume?

MK1- Wow that was very deep, seems us military dudes have a bit of insight the others can't quite get their heads around. I was drafted and landed in Viet Nam 4 months later.

The pres has to keep the military in check at all times. Say it isn't so?....take a look at Egypt with their "civil war" and the military standing tall making sure that all elected officials are subject to their approval.

And yes it is comical to hear Romney and his "kill the mothers" foriegn policy statements. Wow does he have an insight! Sure looks like Karl Rove has his hand in this guy's pockets. Oh, there is another one that never served, gee isn't it coincidental??

All young Mormons are required to do Missionary work by the corporation. It was probably the worst day of Willard's life when he got the news.

"Gosh, you mean I can't go to the jungle and find out what a punji stick is? I have to go to Paris? Gosh!"

When asked if any of his 5 sons had ever served in the military, Mitt Romney responded that his sons were serving this country by getting him elected President... lol

I only had 1 son and he went to Iraq twice.

Not one of Mitt Romney's blood relatives has EVER served a day in military to our Country including himself and his sons...NOT ONE!

You know when you have a family this large it seems at least one would have joined the military. Must be some aversion to the thought of having to face death. Gee Mitt, only one in 7 military people actually serve in a combat roll. There are plenty of jobs that provide exceptional skills when you leave the service. And the one thing that stands out is a ex military guy can almost always spot another one in a crowd. Seems real character defines military people and is sadly lacking in most other places in our society. In fact I think many people don't know what character is, they have never had any role model to follow.

Jane Fonda, the left's buddy, shot at our pilots in Vietnam.

C'mon, really? I am not defending Jane Fonda, but this kind of bullcrap just has to be called! It didn't happen!

Dave D- (borrrowed from someone else's post A COnservative, a LIberal and a MOderate walk into a bar. THe bartender ssays, "What'lll be Mr. Romney?"

Do you wonder why it's repeal and REPLACE? Why not just repeal? I mean after all, according to them and their dimwit followers no one wants anything in this bill and are perfectly happy with what they have now.

How about you read the actual bill instead of floundering around making a fool of yourself. It's been there in black and white for oh, a little over 2 years now. I know though, you are just shocked, shocked I say to find out what the rest of us have known for over 2 years. And FYI, bills don't get PASSED by the SC. The ACA was PASSED over 2 years ago by the congress. (By the congress I mean the House and the Senate, in case you didn't know that either). The SC deemed the already PASSED bill constitutional.

The fine will depend on the amount a person or couple's income is. They will be fined if they refuse to get health insurance from the exchange. If they have no health insurance provided from their jobs it will be great to be able to choose reasonable health care for themselves and their families. The bad thing going on now is that more companies are not offering health care benefits. So they are against helping their employees. Romney is hiring all the same sorry people who served in the Bush administration. That was not what he should have done. I would never vote for Romney, but giving jobs to the very people who served in the Bush administration and harmed America so terribly don't deserve to ever be in the government again.

Al Trottier - yes, we Independents ARE fired up! We're solidly behind President Obama. Do you actually think any Independent would vote to take this country backward with Mitt Romney? Get a clue. Mitt is already history!

Did you actually write "right-leading liberal?" REALLY??? Do you understand the word Oximoron????

Obama/Biden 2012 for the sake of the United States!

You are absolutely right. I am also an independent voter and 150% behind president Obama and our vice-president Biden. I wish there were more independent voters like ourselves. This administration already accomplished the impossible. Mr. Obama is the first president who has been able to stand up against the big insurance companies and win the affordable health care law for all american. Secondly, I called him a champion in foreign policy because he took down Oxama Bin Ladin and destroyed most of its terrorist network, something that the previous administration was not able to do or not prepared to do. Also, he is our first president really being able to advance equality and freedom for all mankind regardless of sex or gender. In Contrast, Mitt Romney is nothing more than a bully and a greedy businessman who has only one goal to enrich himself and big corporation at the expense of the middleclass. Me, as a small business owner of an insurance agency, I know better how to run a business than Mitt Romney. With respect to the economy, I think president Obama did a good job if one looked at the complete destruction or damage that to was done by the past administration. Anyone who thinks Mitt will fix this economy, please I ask you to think again and again. Mitt Romney does not or won't know how to bring America forward. In the campaign trail, Mitt is only doing propaganda and rhetorics. I urge every American voters to use their good sense of reasoning and do it right. Obama-Biden must be reelected if we look for a bright future and continual greatness for America.

There's no such thing as right leaning liberals. If they say they are then they are conservatives. I'm sick of conservatives trying to bull crap us. This bill isn't perfect but it's a start to fixing our health care

strongstick:

How can a person declared they are an "independent voter", then state they are "150% behind president Obama and our vice-president Biden"? It seems your are voting Democrat regardless if you are a registrar Democrat, therefore your are a D-e-m-o-c-r-a-t.

You state "Mr. Obama is the first president who has been able to stand up against the big insurance companies and win the affordable health care law for all american." Any person that has ever read the ACA knows it was written by the insurance companies for the insurance companies. It just added 30 millions new customers to their roles. Those are mandated to purchase insurance. The ACA does NOT control cost or improve health care to anyone. If fact since the Bill was signed in 2010, insurance rated for health care has increased dramatically across the USA.

The single good thing from the ACA is the preexisting conditions clause, which has long been a Republican concept that the Democrats were against due the increased costs to the insurance industry.

Tiffany1:

There's no such thing as right leaning liberals. If they say they are then they are conservatives.

As a Capitalist and a person that is fiscally conservative and less so on social issues, I would agree with you. The poster should have stated right leaning Democrat, which would be a Conservative Democrat. Conservatives, Liberals, and Centrists are all within any and all political parties.

Homer, liberals and centrists in the GOP? Yeah, maybe back 50 years but certainly not in it's current state. The GOP is as far right as you can get today. They have purged themselves of all independent thinkers.

The single good thing from the ACA is the preexisting conditions clause, which has long been a Republican concept that the Democrats were against due the increased costs to the insurance industry.

Hahahaha! You are hilarious! You do realize that the ACA used Romney's health care plan in Mass as a model, don't you? Only now that he is running for president does Romney think his plan was a bad one! You also realize that the concept of a mandate (or tax, or whatever) was something the Republicans touted in their healthcare reforms previously, don't you? And, only now, with a Democrat in the White House having actually passed a healthcare reform bill, is the "mandate" a bad taste in the mouths of Republicans!

Hahahahaha!

ALTrotttier "Roberts and felllow travelers" - "NOw is the time for eover heated rhetoric from the lunatic fringe. I know alll you malcontents are up to the task. NO slur or name is toooo scurrilous or far-fetched. As our patron saint Richard CHeney proved, IT's the claim that matttters. Facts (or deficits) don't mattter!!!!!!

Well if people are frustrated and angry now, just elect Romney. Boy you haven't seen anything yet. To have Romney elected President would be a bigger disaster to the United States than the Great Depression. Let’s face the facts that he doesn’t have a record to run on, unless you want to count out-sourced/off-shored. Plus the fact that the man won't reveal any of his policy details.

This country has rarely elected a business man that was successful as President, and it doesn't look like we have a winner in Romney.

However, I do want to thank Romney for Romney Care.

Job1, a Romney election would be a big disaster for most Americans but a huge benefit to the elite and wealthy. When will the middle class wake up and stop voting against their best interests.

It all comes down to education, mk. When people educate themselves and start thinking critically, they will see Romney for what he is: a rich kid empty suit that has completely sold out and steadfastly refuses to detail his plans.

He has no job creation experience, and never has. He ducked the war to recruit new members to his cult church. He has had TWO friggin' jobs in his entire life, and his last and current career is running for political office, and he has been in that position for SIX YEARS.

Wannabe.

You know I think the lack of detail is simply to keep from having to actually stand behind something he might say. If he can hold off long enough for the debates he can "surprise" Obama with his skillful details. This is kind of rediculous at this point. I don't think we will see anything as it would be controversial and people might not like what they hear. Or it could be, like you are all saying, he doesn't have anything to tell us about???

Actually, you can thank W.

job1. actually do you have a job? just curious?

sofork, it will be ALL Obama's fault, but Obama cannot blame Bush for anything. Is that your logic?

Were you out of the country between January 2001 and December 2008? You missed two wars, created with falsified intelligence data, and a banking collapse that created a bailout plan called TARP, as in, throw this tarp over the mess in the backyard. The "best of the best" was Treasury Secretary Paulson receiving blanket immunity from all future prosecution when he introduced the TARP Bailout for his friends on Wall Street. Since you were away, you probably did not know that Paulson was the ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, which needed the $350 Billion Bailout really bad. As for Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, they will never be charged, because the POTUS, you clearly dislike, has their backs.

You really don't understand that Obama and the federal government is the one actually screwing you. I guess ignorance is bliss!

sofork - if you think it is President Obama that's screwing you, you really are clueless!

The ones screwing us all are the worthless republicans in Congress!

You must be as ignorant as the Three Stooges (Biden, Pelosi and Reid). I think their IQs add up to a total of 110.

And I think the IQ of all you righties adds up to the same, 110......

The single greatest threat to liberty in this country right now are large coprorations with too much power and too much influence. Corporations are the threat not the federal government.

Look, why would anyone spend millions and millions to get a, what $200,000 a year job?? Is it power or is it the benefit that would go to those people contributing millions?? Please tell me cause I think there must be another ajenda here?? Especially now that there is no limit that individuals and business can contribute one way or the other. This is really stupid, hope the young people will have fun dealing with it in the future. Hmm, I think the future is here now.

Swallow - Willard has all the money he needs - your question WHY - because DADDY couldn't do it!

Same as George JR - because he was the "black sheep" of the family - remember when Mommy Barbara said "george isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer" and Jeb lost favor with the Bush Machine - when Mommy called his children " those little brown babies"

Pathetic for these baby boys - to strive to be better than dad and loved by mom!

And the American public suffers for their inadequacies

Swallow-2813582:

Look, why would anyone spend millions and millions to get a, what $200,000 a year job??

Go ask President Obama.

The jobs pays $400,000 per year plus certain expenses. A life time pension equal to what a current Cabinet member receives (about $175,000) .

You know it strikes me that taking a pledge to Grover is treason. Is he the overlord of our country, or our government that these congressional types took an oath of office to protect? He is not and that pledge is not in the interest of any congressmans' constituency. That by it self should be enough for people to vote against those that take such an oath. I wonder if one congressman who hasn't taken that pledge would stand up and ask for an order to impeach those that did? If the majority party took such an oath to over throw the government would that be treason? I think that is the definition so how is it different with Grover? This is one thing that really should be a problem for constituents of both parties.

Swallow - only one Republican I know of and that is Wolfe of Virginia and he is so secure in his seat- he didn't have to

Even - Beady eyed "Morning Joe Scarborough" admitted a few months ago he signed the pledge

yankee - let's hope we can blame this on drugs. I'd hate to think ANYONE is really as stupid as MITT!

Yankee, I don't think it's an issue of controlled substances. Willard the Rat was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and I think he choked on it and deprived his brain of oxygen for long enough that it only functions to the degree necessary to keep his heart beating.

SeekingSanity:

yankee - let's hope we can blame this on drugs. I'd hate to think ANYONE is really as stupid as MITT!

I wish all Americans were as stupid as Mitt - a college undergraduate degree, a masters degree, and a law degree. Man, that is what I called stupid...

Homer - IT's not what you learn it's what you do with it - and all Willard learned is what his DAD said don't go into politics unless you have a bundle of money behind it

No one is disputing Willard's intelligence - however I have not seen his grades or transcripts - don't know if he was at the top or bottom

Take McCain - graduated at the bottom of his class - yet with an Admiral for a grandfather and father - managed to fly a plane into a carrier where people were injured - yet they gave him another plane to crash

So what's your point?

Barbara Adams Jackson:

Thank you for being civil.

My point is Mitt Romney is not stupid as SeekingSanity stated. I agree, intelligent and being smart are not the same. I have known a few business owners that never finished grade school, but where as shape as any person I have ever met. You may not agree with him or like his positions, but he is far from being stupid.

As far as Mitt Romney's grades, how many people graduate from Harvard while receiving degrees at the same time. Mitt did with his Masters and his Law degree. I image his grades were very good.

As for John McCain, I did not for vote for him or do I like him. Clash landing on a aircraft carrier is very common. The world military pilots consider the USA Naval pilots as the best military pilots on the face of the planet. If John McCain passed his fighter pilot program than he deserved his wings. They do not fool around with fighter jets or their pilots.

You may not be aware of the fact that the highest honor in the United States Military Academies is to finish in the very bottom of your class. The challenge is to score the very lowest, but still pass each exam. I am not joking or fibbing.

I'm sincerely hoping that we don't hear of Willard anymore beginning November 5th. His second failed attempt at buying the Presidency should be the last.

Jason - When you throw out the stupid word "socialist" it's just proof to everyone that you are a mental midget from the right!

You know, even with that really awful photo of our First Lady that you use as an avitar, it's still ten times more attractive than any woman that would EVER look at you!

Obama/Biden 2012

Hi Seeking,

They aren't the bright ones.

In order to attend a Romney fundraising event, people are required to sign a loyalty oath to Mitt Romney. If Mitt becomes president, he will require all military to sign a loyalty oath to him as Commander in Chief. All Republicans have signed a loyalty oath to Grover Norquist and have obstructed economic recovery to defeat an elected president because he is the first black president.

The last person to require a military loyalty oath was Adolf Hitler. America, vote for your first fascist leader, and his loyal followers, at your peril.

That is the biggest lie today.

Well, since it was posted YESTERDAY, you are, as usual I bet, wrong. Let's google it and find out!

America wake up all these Dumb A@s Red Neck Republicans vote them out of STATE And FEDERAL OFFICE.

dls-387641:

Where did you get that from? I have attended a few of Romney's events. I have never ever been approached and/or asked to sign anything other than my check. Democrats say the darnest things...

Art Linkleter was right, "Children say the darndest things".

Oops, I think I misspelled darnness. I would not called dls-387641 a child, just a Democrat.

I hoped I spelled it right.

Romney's presidential limo is called a Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance......
Jump in and have a good cry!

Would you like some cheese with your whine?

THe time has come - Right WIngers - for overheated rhetoric - there is no claim too sucrrrilous no slander toooo low to sling at our President. Kommmie Rat Marxist/Leninist -In the best tradition of DIck Cheney - rmember - facts don't count - the claim is what mattters!