Uh Ohh Romney, Governor Deval Patrick, another Chicagoan btw, has just exposed your healthcare plan and proved you to be a liar. What you gonna say now; nothing as usual; besides you know how to create destroy JOBS and President Obama doesn't???

Governor Deval Patrick will never never never tire of saying that it was Mitt who passed health care here in MA. And now Mitt is hiding from it, despite all the good it is doing.

The democrats here in MA made Romney pass it because of the crippling effect those who were not insured were having on our economy. The hospitals were hurting tremendously because of the high number of patients who were not insured.

Thanks Mitt Romneycare.

That was there was a completely different Romneyhead.

Back then, Mitt Romney was wearing his Governorhead.

NOW he's wearing his Go-All-Out for the top one-tenth of one-percent of Americans Romneyhead.

There's a lot of them, and they get mixed up in the suitcases sometimes.

Give it 24 hrs and Mutten's will be trying to take credit for "His" great health care bill. It will be his biggest flip-flop to date, if not history. I guarantee it!

Obama/Biden 2012

Just for curiousity .... did Mitt stand up and lie time after time after time that his health care was not a tax, only to be confirmed as a liar by the Supreme Court?

did Mitt stand up and lie time after time after time that his health care was not a tax, only to be confirmed as a liar by the Supreme Court?

Bob - Is this how you're spinning the SC decision? Boy, you righties are desperate! "LOL"

Obama/Biden 2012 (In a Landslide)

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Give it 24 hrs and Mutten's will be trying to take credit for "His" great health care bill. It will be his biggest flip-flop to date, if not history. I guarantee it!

Why not? He's running around telling people that he saved Detroit isn't he?

There's a lot of them, and they get mixed up in the suitcases sometimes.

"LOL"

Backhouse - That's no lie.....

Why not? He's running around telling people that he saved Detroit isn't he?

LOL

Extinct - Come November, He could always run for mayor..

Vote for Motown Mitt - 2012

Come November, He could always run for mayor.

Bwahahaha,.....who'd want THAT job? By the way. Speaking of Detroit,....where's White Collar Auto and the other Motown kook?

GT -

You can't deny Obama promised it wasn't a tax (remember "Not One Dime") time and time and time again - because he knew it would never pass as a tax.

He had to lie and had no problem doing just that. Obama knows there are fools stupid enough to fall for it (see above) ... that is what he was counting on.

He is a constitutional scholar right ... he didn't know the exact same trick to used to get SS passed .... isn't that exactly what happened?

You can't deny Obama promised it wasn't a tax

It is only a tax if it is compulsory.

Its not.

You are paying for the uninsured right now through higher health care premiums as insurance companies struggle to wring profit out of $2.50 cotton balls. Insurance companies don't make money by providing coverage.

They make money by denying it.

We all knew the right wing would try to spin this as a "tax", but honestly Booby, I thought you'd do it sooner.

What kept you? Had to use your secret decoder ring to get your RNC talking points. I understand there is a lag time imposed by the decoding process. B'sides,....must be hard to write down those characters using crayon.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Speaking of Detroit,....where's White Collar Auto and the other Motown kook?

WCA is currently icing his bruises!

Man... did he ever take a beating today! lmao!

It will be a week before he's able to sit down with the ass-kicking he took!

At least he had the courage to show up, unlike the rest of the usual right wing cowards... ;o)

The mantra of the republican party continues to be that the middle class, seniors and the poor are no longer worth investing in, and that the wealthy deserve every break that they can pay the congress to procure for them. It's a lousy platform to say the least! Romney is the man the 1% have set up as their representative, a man who has no intention of doing anything for the rest of us.

Patrick then used Massachusetts' results to counter Romney's claims that the federal law will raise taxes, drop coverage, and eliminate jobs.

In the Land of Mitt Believe:

"It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." Cutting jobs creates jobs. Getting rid of demand increases demand.

The public sector does not contribute to economic growth because they are elves who grow their own food and sew their own clothes and never spend or pay taxes. We don't need teachers, cops and firefighters, this is a conspiracy theory. Let the states go bankrupt.

President Obama didn't clean up the Republican mess fast enough, so he is completely to blame.

The way back to recovery is to give the rich even more tax cuts, to further deregulate Wall Street, and to increase defense spending even more. Tax cuts for the 1% "job creators" will trickle down, tax cuts pay for themselves, the "invisible hand" of the free market corrects itself. Romney knows this because an angle spoke to him.

Let the middle class and working poor run its course and hit bottom.

Hey Romney, tell us about how you're going to crack down on outsourcing of jobs to China again. That's my favorite so far.

where's White Collar Auto and the other Motown kook?

Hey, I resemble that remark :-) Anyway, historic day, no doubt. Thought about taking a personal day off from work so as to be here for the decision. But decided against it because face it, I thought it was going to be shot down. Glad I was wrong. All I can say kiddies, is there's the election. The righties can kick and scream all they want, this puppy's staying right where it should. I suspect that many undecided voters will now make the wise choice and vote to re-elect this President. As the righties get more desperate, they will get uglier than they already are. As if that was even possible. And in conclusion, in 15-20 years, when this is firmly in place and everyone has good, affordable health coverage, we will wonder what all of the fuss was about. Great day, my friends!! Actually, great week, with the Arizona Nazi Immigration laws shot down too.

He had to lie and had no problem doing just that. Obama knows there are fools stupid enough to fall for it

Fall for what, Bob? Are you telling me that you can lie to a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? Or do you think you are smarter than Chief Justice Roberts?

I hope the righties keep up this line of attack that the fine or fee for not having health insurance is a "tax." In fact, I hope Willard adopts that particular line of "reasoning." That would make every license, fee, or other revenue raiser that Willard instituted in MA "taxes" and he then could be shown as the tax hiking junkie that he is!

Why have the Republicans believed that only they deserve health care coverage, why is there no common sense among these gop people?

Beverly in Chicago

If you mention Brain Terry's family one more time I'm gonna scream.

Hey, I feel their pain. But, some how I detect ardent racism on the Terry family's part.

Sorry Bev, you can run but you can't hide. That is pretty sad.

Why do you think the Terry's are racists Beverly?

Hey WCA came out from under the porch!!

GOPisextinct

Speaking of Detroit,....where's White Collar Auto and the other Motown kook?

As posted in another thread, the rightwingers have been at a Wile E. Coyote meeting sponsored by ACME Corporation. bob-1805084 didn't get the memo, because no one likes him.

tonybeeerm -- The righties were going to get out the vote for ABO no matter what. Their 98% white Party can't attract additional members though. So your scenario of folks getting out to reelect the president is more likely.

But anyone who believes anything that comes out of Romney's two-faced mouth, like how he will "repeal and replace" -- first how he will repeal, and what plan he has to replace -- is living in LaLa Land.

tonybeeerm -- The righties were going to get out the vote for ABO no matter what.

Right True Patriot. They're just carrying on like children that are mad because they have to share the toys with the other kids. Nothing new here.

We all knew the right wing would try to spin this as a "tax",

The Supreme Court ruled today that it is not a mandate----- it is a tax.

You're happy with the SCOTUS decision, right?

Then, that's what it is. That's what is should be called.

The mantra of the republican party continues to be that the middle class, seniors and the poor are no longer worth investing in,

That's not true. That's a Democratic talking point.

If the Republicans were any good at getting their message out, it would be clear that: Republicans want to keep the rules regarding 26 year olds, no denying for pre-existing conditions and figuring a way to make insurance affordable for everyone.

I have to say, to hear the left hailing the President's bill it seems way off character. The left are supposed to want to help (pay for) the disadvantaged, the poor, the uninsured. But rather than willfully paying higher premiums imposed to cover those who can't pay, the left are certainly a vindictive group on this issue. It seems the Dems are complaining about paying for the uninsured way more than the right. Just saying. What's up with that?

Are you telling me that you can lie to a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? Or do you think you are smarter than Chief Justice Roberts?

And just yesterday, Chief Justice Roberts was heading up a kangaroo court; a bought and sold group of Supremes, politically driven with calls for removal. Funny the difference a day makes, huh? Too funny.

The TeaPeople in congress are really going through the 5 stages if grief (as Schultz said).....Too funny!

But they are seriously afraid of The Norquist.........By tomorrow, there will be a whole new set of insulting and inflammatory talking points!...

Candice:

This is a Republican law. And if it is a tax, then it is just one more example of tax-and-spend republicans run wild.

"In fact, this conservative vision was passed by Congress in 2010. It’s known as ObamaCare. The ringing irony about this week’s U.S. Supreme Court challenge to the Affordable Care Act is that the law’s core principles were all, originally, conservative. And when they were first promoted, almost no one said they were unconstitutional.

The idea of an individual mandate was popularized by the Heritage Foundation and other conservative think tanks as early as 1989. Today, Heritage cites differences between their idea and the Obama version. Yet the basic principles are the same.

In 1992, Heritage proposed a sweeping reform it called the Heritage Consumer Choice Health Plan. Among the plan’s features:

“Require all households to purchase at least a basic package of insurance, unless they are covered by Medicaid, Medicare, or other government health programs. The private insurance market would be reformed to make a standard basic package available to all at an acceptable price.”

As President Bill Clinton began to push for a government-run system in 1993, Republicans introduced bills that included an individual mandate. At the time, Newt Gingrich hailed them:

“I am for people, individuals — exactly like automobile insurance — individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance,” he told “Meet the Press” in 1993. “And I’m prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy, to ensure that everyone as individuals has health insurance.”

That same year, Heritage Foundation health care guru Stuart Butler argued before Congress for “a requirement on individuals to enroll themselves and their dependents in at least a basic health plan......"

http://www.pennlive.com/editorials/index.ssf/2012/03/ironic_challenge_affordable_ca.html

Sorry sweetie.

Deval Patrick - The third of the modern day 3 Stooges - Obama, Holder and Patrick. Patrick's claim to fame is he is the govenor of the state who housed Obama's illegal alien Aunt Zeituni in public housing, and gave a driving license back to Obama's drunken driving illegal alien Uncle Onyango.

Hey Deval what's the payoff for harboring Barack's favorite illegal aliens?

I saw in the news today Michelle Bachman was in front of the Supreme Court, barking up the wrong tree. Sore loser.

At the same time her husband was getting horny and making cat calls.

God, Candice, you are nothing if you are not amusing.

No. Doesn't change a thing about Roberts. He is panicked about how HIS court is seen by historians, given that this court bears his name. He was desperate to show that he could actually make a judgment that wasn't seen as partisan.

As to the "tax" ? You are a fool. That is only implemented if people do not buy insurance. What Roberts did was look to find something other than commerce to satisfy the nut jobs he works for that he didn't sell out.

But, he had only to look at the First Congress. They implemented a MANDATE on employers of seamen that forced them to buy insurance. 20 of the framers of the Constitution supported that, including one George Washington.

I suppose you have heard of the man?

GOPisextinct.

Sorry sweetie

That's okay , babyT. Hey, thanks for the Dem talking points, though!

But seriously....

The difference GOPis is this. The Repubs figured out that the mandate plan wouldn't work, and so they dropped it. Long ago. I mean, it sounded good....at first.

Answer me this, GOPis. Have you ever read an insurance policy or even tried to make heads or tails out the policy options your company provides? Have you ever read correspondence from a state run insurance plan or even a statement of benefits from an insurance agency? Gobble-di-goop, right?

So let's say every household has to buy a policy. Great. Those who tend not to rank insurance purchases as a high priority are the poor. Uneducated. Unfortunate. Illiterate. Homeless(?) Who's going to help them sort out the options to choose? Who's going to help them figure out a way to pay the premiums -- or even apply for the assistance? Do you think insurance agents will wander out of the goodness of their souls into the projects to sign those folks up? It reminds me of the mortgage brokers selling loans to people who no way could pay them back. Who's going to make sure those folks aren't swindled? Who's going to make sure they buy one of those policies and understand the ins and outs? The government in all of their incredible efficiency? You think?

You know, GOPis, I'm pretty conservative. I truly believe people should be lifted up, and given opportunity to help themselves. This mandate thing, though.... There are no provisions to cover those who won't trot to the exchanges and help themselves. Make them pay penalties through withholding their tax returns, you say? They don't pay taxes, so that won't work.

Seems to me the bill --- while well intentioned, falls very short of solving the "care provided for no payment" problem, and falls very short of providing a stop gap for those who truly need it.

What are your thoughts?

God, Candice, you are nothing if you are not amusing.

Gee, NewDay, you're still insufferably cranky and pretentious, huh?

It's good to know, though, that you imagined a politically partisan court before....and still do, even though the decision went your way.

Kudos to you for being consistent in your partisanship!

Do you just hate it that you have to pay higher premiums to cover the unfortunate? And those silly uneducated, unemployable, and downtrodden won't likely make a trip to Met Life to buy a policy? Kills you, don't it? Please let me know your thoughts.

Just for curiousity .... did Mitt stand up and lie time after time after time

Absolutely!....and he still does!

An earlier post from a wise man/woman:

TNSEVOL

If you already have health insurance, no "tax".

If you can't afford to buy health insurance, you can get a subsidy - no "tax".

If you can afford to purchase health insurance but choose not to - "tax".

I thought personal responsibility - paying for your own health insurance - was right up the conservative alley?

Kinda pretty well sums it up, doncha think? Very simple, even the "experts" here can understand it...maybe...

Gosh, there is nothing that makes me happier than when I cause you to drop this pretense that you are simply so above the fray.

I already gave you a hint as to what you might learn if you would only pick up a book. Try it sometime, Candy. The world will be your oyster!

But, wrong again.....here's another hint: if people are required to buy insurance, guess what? There won't be so many uninsured! That is what the credits are for, as well as the insurance pool, to help those who really need it!

Easy peasy, right Candy? Now. Do go read an edifying book.

Oh, Newdy. You're so funny. Such a snoot.

I do admire your obvious expertise on history, though.

look at the First Congress. They implemented a MANDATE on employers of seamen that forced them to buy insurance. 20 of the framers of the Constitution supported that, including one George Washington.

You must be a hoot at cocktail parties.

Aside from the history books, you might pick up a book or two on economics. Just to broaden your horizons a bit. You do own a calculator, don't you?

"Edifying?" intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement. Spiritual? What do you know about that? After all you didn't answer my question:

Do you just hate it that you have to pay higher premiums to cover the unfortunate? And those silly uneducated, unemployable, and downtrodden won't likely make a trip to Met Life to buy a policy? Kills you, don't it?

As posted in another thread, the rightwingers have been at a Wile E. Coyote meeting sponsored by ACME Corporation.

So here is what rightwingers have been going bucknutty about with a gazillion tweets in this virtual Wilie E Coyote meeting -- The current plan is to go after funding for ACA using reconciliation (a simple majority, not a filibuster-proof Super Majority of 60 votes needed), which can be used in regard to taxation. Though reconciliation is temporary, like the Bush tax cuts, it can be used to implement and possibly extend something -- in this case long enough to effectively kill something...so they hope.

What these enraged maniacs have forgotten, is the "replace" part, or parts they claim to like about ACA, and how to keep these parts and pay for these parts. Maybe Candice would like to take a stab at explaining it?

Romney knows the many rabbit holes he and Massachusetts went down, discovering all the loopholes and unintended consequences without a mandate and pooling everyone. This is why we should just go with Medicare for all now -- It's a known and successful program.

Enough with the Teabagger "eating the corn seed" mentality. Not fixing our broken health care system isn't an option. The skyrocketing health issues will tank our country.

is the "replace" part, or parts they claim to like about ACA, and how to keep these parts and pay for these parts. Maybe Candice would like to take a stab at explaining it?

Many insurance companies, themselves, have already come out and stated, even before today, that if the ACA was struck down, they would keep - voluntarily - the provisions to keep "children" up to the age of 26 on their parent's plans. (Afterall, this is more money for them, right? Makes sense.) They also agreed to the pre-existing condition provision for children. (Isn't that already policy?)

You misunderstand me, True. I'm all for the mandate. I think people should pay for the services they receive. Imposing a mandate is a slippery slope though. I believe it's unenforceable and the math doesn't add up.

Not fixing our broken health care system isn't an option.

I agree. I just don't think this is the way to do it. The taxes - and policy as it is, will hurt research, access, and jobs. (Those greedy business owners who don't provide insurance plans now won't like having to do it because the government says so. They'll pay the penalties --- way cheaper than premiums. And if they do step up and institute insurance plans, they're gonna raise prices to cover costs - that will be an indirect tax on you and me. You okay with that?)

The Repubs haven't come up with a sound solution either, mind you. Maybe it's a starting point. But once this is in place, it's going to be very hard to change it. It's too expensive. It's going to balloon. I don't think it will keep uninsured from storming emergency rooms with the sniffles.

Medicare for all now -- It's a known and successful program.

Not a senior, are you? Any one in your family on Medicare? It's wrought with fraud, lackadaisical workers, and it's going broke. There has to be a better way.

Candice- No, I'm not a senior (though some days I feel like I am), but my mother is. The fraud is due to the providers (the doctors and the clinics/hospitals) ripping off the system, not the patients. There are non-profit systems out there (as once was the case everywhere), and as health care should be since it is immoral to profit from the sick.

I agree with you that companies, currently enjoying record profits, are not the concern that Romney and the GOP/TP claim. Nonetheless, health care should never be provided through employers. The US is the only country putting this burden on the private sector, which makes our businesses less competitive in the global market.

I also don't agree with a mandate to purchase something in the private sector. The only way any of this can work, including making Medicare solvent, is if we pool everyone into a non-profit (meaning above overhead, but still in the private sector) with government administration. This will mean the end to health insurance businesses and many jobs...so this is not the time yet. But we need to begin phasing into a true Universal system.

"Repeal and replace" is one of Romney's biggest lies. He will say anything to get elected -- so pathetic.

though some days I feel like I am--ha)

Yeah, me too!

Yes. The fraud is due to some of the providers but I don't think the majority of them. I think most of the doctors and clinics and hospitals struggle to get paid. A lot of the fraud is from little service companies - legit or not - but condoned, ignored or at least tolerated by the agencies that are both Medicare and social security. Those that "profit" from scamming the sick should be shut down. But they're not.

I have lots of stories - (like a friend who makes over $350,000 a year, got sick, went on disability, got better and can't for the life of him get social security to stop sending him disability checks; or the hospital bed provider who keeps wanting to deliver new beds to my mother in law even though she doesn't need a new one - but Medicare will pay for it unnecessarily and that's all they care about).

Thankfully, the penalties for messing with the elderly are harsh. But they have to be caught.

health care should never be provided through employers

Health care used to be a benefit that employers used to attract talent. Now, its entitlement. It's an important benefit, and I think private insurers are more efficient - even with their faults - than the government.

I agree that - no- we can't transition to another system without putting millions of people employed by the insurance industries out of business so that won't happen. This "fix" that is the ACA, though...I simply don't have the confidence that it won't blow up into a monstrosity that is more costly than anticipated, won't help those who need it, have unintended consequences of creating more problems than it solves, will create more layers of bureaucracy it's unenforceable, and the targeted taxes will hurt businesses, and medical service providers and it will all be worse in the end. Call me cynical.....

He will say anything to get elected -- so pathetic.

Sorry to say, I believed the President when he said all the things he said while he was running for the job. They all say whatever it takes to get the job. It is pathetic and it is sad.

Candice- On the spectrum of politicians, President Obama has been the truthful--far more than Romney.

The Democrats who worked so hard along with Pelosi to get health care for so many Americans deserve a lot of praise. So many Dems lost their seats in 2010 due to lies about ACA, and lies by Teapublicans that they would create jobs. The LIE department belongs to the GOP/TP the most.

We will also see what happens at the state level. There is likely to be a double-edged sword, with Medicare cuts in some states--the Red states with the most poverty and need for Federal assistance--versus states like Vermont who have implemented their own single-payer health care system. Now that the SCOTUS has finalized the legality of ACA, hopefully many more states will follow Massachusetts and Vermont--apparently Montana?

Once again, when people see that in fact health care is a right (not a privilege), and that a wealthy country like ours has no excuse for not taking care of our own, the rightwing Race to the Bottom, with every man, woman, and child for his/herself will look more and more hideous to more and more people.

Great job Pelosi and all the Dems who fought the fight, along with President Obama -- You were on the right side of history!

This year, my Mass health insurance went up for me by $1.50 per week (+$1.50 a week for my employer) and that is for a family plan. The year before the ins. company tried a higher increase but had to justify with the state why and got struck down.They were able to increase it but not by as much as they wanted.

With the ObamaCare, insurance companies cannot spend more than 20% on administrative fees which means, the executives cannot give themselves huge raises and bonuses anymore. If the 80% is not spend on the actual patient care, the difference has to be returned to the policy holder.

The difference GOPis is this. The Repubs figured out that the mandate plan wouldn't work, and so they dropped it. Long ago. I mean, it sounded good....at first.

Like the Mandate GOP Governor Romney implemented in Mass. as part of Romneycare?

The mantra of the republican party continues to be that the middle class, seniors and the poor are no longer worth investing in,

That's not true. That's a Democratic talking point.

Really, we just imagined 2008 then? OWS is just a figment of Dem's imagination, or great talking point?

Candice, do you work for an insurance company? I'm starting to wonder, in your statements, really seem to lobby for them a lot.

I think most of the doctors and clinics and hospitals struggle to get paid.

Seriously? The ones I work with drive high-end MB and BMW's. I see them in the parking lot all the time. I highly doubt they have trouble getting their pay.

He will say anything to get elected -- so pathetic.

Sorry to say, I believed the President when he said all the things he said while he was running for the job. They all say whatever it takes to get the job. It is pathetic and it is sad.

The major difference here is that this POTUS is likeable, and really has a connection with the 99%. Etch-A-Sketch, not so.

NorthstarDFL

Romney seems totally unaware of what a success his heath care act with mandate did for MA.

He knows. Romney is just appealing to the most extreme righties. After all, where else can he go besides to the extreme morons on the right like after-birher Donald Trump and hate filled gazallionaries determining on Romney to decrease their taxes.

Bev,

You are right. It is all about keeping the superpac mafia guys happy and feeding the tea party supporters.

I just cannot he could give his lttlie statemnt with a straight face....

During the last two years Romney knew he couldn't get reelected, so gave up on being governor and started campaigning for POTUS. The state legislature and his staff did the heavy lift, with Romney signing it. When he spoke on the subject, as we can see in video, he knows that pooling everyone (individual responsibility) is the only way to get health care costs down. Folks can look at the success in MA and know this is indeed a model for the nation.

Right now the rabid rightwing doesn't care who promises to repeal "Obamacare," just as long as it gets done. Why they trust Romney on this, or anything, go figure. Why this is more important than the economy and jobs, go figure. Why they vote against their own best interests, go figure. They have been brainwashed with propaganda from FOX Noise/Hate Radio and live in a Cone of Silence.

Let folks get refund checks from insurance companies that have overcharged them. Let the Exchange go into effect and let them see costs go down. Give ACA time. It will become popular like Social Security.

That's what the 1% like Romney fear -- Anything that has power other than them.

I love how Chief Justice Roberts said that he thinks the legislation is a piece of crap, but his job was not to judge it, but to judge the constitutionallity of it. LMAO!

Yeah, kind of a twist of fate there...

Was listening to the WLS Chicago last night and there was a guy that thought he could drop his current health insurance and just get on the government insurance. The host told him that he may qualify for medicaid (guy made $14 / hour) but that this was not "FREE HEALTHCARE". There is so much that we need to learn about this now that it is passed.

sirie wrote: There is so much that w need to learn about this now that it is passed.

Me: So you were against it out of ignorance? You were against it but you didn't know why?

They're all untrustworthy. I remember voting for President Obama because his talk was so centrist, and inspiring and uplifting! Turns out, he was just saying all of that just to get elected. And look where we are now.....

I particularly find interesting the report that the Chancellor of Finance from Germany spoke to our President - "I have many things to work on and issues to address" the Chancellor told our President...."and none of them correlate to your campaign to get re-elected."

That exchange is very telling, don't you think?

Candice -- No comparison -- that's a false equivalency. Romney is the biggest liar I've seen in all the presidential elections of my lifetime.

This example doesn't show the President as a liar. It shows him as self centered and his focus is misguided.

Is Rush Limpballs under suicide watch?

Yup, in a detox unit!

the mandate will not directly impact most Americans.

Really?

but receive subsidies to help with premiums

Who pays for those subsidies?

7.3 million (2 percent of population) will not be eligible for any assistance

Leaves those folks out in the cold...but that's okay, right?

8.1 million will be eligible for free/close-to-free insurance through expansion of Medicaid under the law.

Only that's the part the Supreme Court struck down. States will not be coerced to expanding Medicaid if they don't want to according to the ruling today.

Really?

Yes Candice,.....really.

Who pays for those subsidies?

The government,....right Candy? I think the maximum cost is $100 / month.

Leaves those folks out in the cold...but that's okay, right?

No Candice. Because under this republican plan those folks have got the scratch to fund their own plan whose premiums will decrease under this plan.

States will not be coerced to expanding Medicaid if they don't want to according to the ruling today.

Exactly Candice. Its called Freedom. Has a nice taste to it doesn't it?

Read it again Candy,...94% of the American people already have insurance through employers, and are ineligible for this plan.

The government,....right Candy? I think the maximum cost is $100 / month.

You know the "government" is you and me and all the other tax payers, right?

94% of the American people already have insurance through employers, and are ineligible for this plan.

Okay, so all of this is for a little under 20 million people out of 330 million. The taxes on the pharmaceutical companies alone in 2012 to 2014 amount to about 10 billion. That's $500 per person in the 6% you refer to. Is $500 for three years going to cover those folks? Have you priced medical insurance lately?

Its called Freedom. Has a nice taste to it doesn't it?

Yes. Freedom is good. Do you think the states who can opt out, will opt out? How will the people needing help from Medicaid fare with that? In my glorious state of Illinois, our Democrat Governor just booted a bunch of needy folks from Medicaid...cuz the teacher's need a retirement plan. Nice, huh?

I'm just curious to see how things shake out when the uninsured realize they have to come with some cash to buy their own insurance...assuming they actually make the effort to buy their own insurance.

Read it again Candy,

Do the math, GOPis, and let me know how it all works out according to your calculator.

Not sure Ron Paul would have helped. You must have heard what his son Ron said today - "Just because SCOTUS upheld the healthcare act as constitutional - doesn't mean it really is." LMAO.

Jeffery, I believe there are many people, myself included, that would welcome a legitimate third party into the fold. The problem is; what would their platform be? A combination of the two won't work. Anything else would be considered fringe and not be accepted. If you have any realistic ideas, please feel free to post them.

Totally agree Jeffrey! A mix of capitalist and socialist is not a bad idea for new party...

Romney might as well surrender

I'm surprised he hasn't flip flopped calling it great because it was his idea.

Tony, I'm so pleased to discover you are a fellow Motowner.

This state goes back to blue in November. McCotter is out of the way, Obama re-elected, Cassis defeated, and the Protect of Jobs Act gets put on the ballot.

and Snyder's a one termer. I mean, what has the guy done? He repealed the motorcycle helmet law, big deal. Oh yea, and now you can buy fireworks that were once illegal to purchase here. Great! Just today, I heard he signed a bill making in a crime to protest at religious services. Man, this guy's on fire! And for those who don't know, Rick Snyder is a carbon copy of Romney. Cut from the same cloth. Both vulture capitalists who never created a job in their lives.

Not too mad, are you? I believe it will work against the Republicans and Tea Party. Now that the Supreme Court has upheld this law, the arguments will become a moot point. Certainly nothing will happen before the election, other than Boner's promise to vote in the House to repeal, which won't make it past their corridors. Remember, it has to pass the Senate and then the President will veto it. So guess what, you lose.

Sour grapes and crow don't taste very good do they, Joseph? This nation did make a big mistake twice recently in electing a president once in 2000 and again in 2004 with the most corrupt and inept president in decades if not ever. Anyone would be an improvement. While Obama hasn't been as good as I would have liked he is better than anything the Republicans have offered this year. Mr. Romney flip flops on every issue and when he does pander it is to the extreme right, a group that I don't believe he really deep down inside agrees with. But because he does pander to those Fascist wannabes on the right he will lose. It will be interesting to see if he makes the same mistake as McCain and select some extreme right wing bozo as his running mate or move more toward the sensible center with his choice.

in electing a president once in 2000 and again in 2004

Gotta' beg to differ Adler. First time he was appointed, by many of the same Justices who decided this case today, and the second time was fraught with stuffed ballot boxes and obvious fraud.

And there's a check in the mail coming to you for past overpayment

fancy,

"Those who would repeal are social nihilists-"

Great observation.

You cannot argue or persuade nihilists of any kind.

Bob - stretching the truth a bit aren't you? Unlike Joe Biden who was happy staying out of the draft with his 5 deferments; and unlike Bill Clinton who was inducted but went on to evade the draft; Mitt Romney was eligible in the '69 draft,received a high draft number and was never called.

What branch of the service did Barack Obama serve?

joe: Wrong again. Young people know they need healthcare coverage and are happy they can afford it now and have decent coverage.

And up to age 26 they can continue on their parents coverage, which both the parents and young people are VERY happy with.

this "perfectly healthy person" must be living in an accident, disease-free environment... where every living things do not contaminate one another...