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Subscribe to RSSHow the Supreme Court's ruling on the health law will play in the 2012 presidential election is unclear, but the White House and the Obama campaign have to be breathing a sigh of relief.
*** UPDATE *** Transcript appended:
I’m Domenico Montanaro with your First Read Minute, and Mark this morning breaking news that the Supreme Court by a 5-4 decision – it seems like everything’s 5-4 nowadays – upheld the health care law. Big news. What’s your take?
MARK MURRAY: Well, Domenico, we just don’t know what the politics are. This could go in many different ways for the 2012 presidential election. But here’s what we do know – that this preserves a key Democratic Party/President Obama policy achievement. This is something that goes down in the history books. No one knows the politics. We might not even know the policy on how this would actually work in the long run [if there would be challenges in Congress, etc.] But Democrats, who paid a huge price for this health-care reform in 2009 and 2010, get to keep that achievement.
MONTANARO: Yeah, and Republican messaging has been really consistent on this. I think they were prepared either way for what it would be. We’ve seen the conservative base already be fired up. The Romney campaign says that they’ve raised about $200,000 so far since the announcement in just a couple hours. But the fact remains, if this law had been struck down, it would have been a major body blow to the president. The fact that it was upheld is something that-- the White House has to exhale a big sigh of relief.
MURRAY: And Domenico, as you and I were talking about, as Republicans like Mitt Romney end up saying they want full repeal, one question they need to answer is how do you actually achieve that -- even with a Republican in the White House and a Republican majority in the U.S. Senate?
MONTANARO: And more than that, what would Mitt Romney do specifically to repeal it that would be different-- or to replace it that would be different than what he did in Massachusetts? So, I think that’s a big question that Romney’s going to have to eventually answer. Still, this election, all about the economy.
MURRAY: That’s right.
MONTANARO: I’m Domenico Montanaro—
MURRAY: And I’m Mark Murray
MONTANARO: --and that’s your early read on First Read.
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WOW!
What an exciting day in politics!
I haven't had this much fun on FR since the day President Obama won the NPP!
I'm walking on sunshine!
Anyone seen our resident right wingers who have been taunting liberals for weeks?
Coincidence they are all suddenly busy elsewhere? lol
WOW is right. Know for my family this is good news. Had been really, really worried. You should see my bills and that is with good insurance.
Not sure how it will play out?
Wasn't it NitWitMitt and the rest of the repugs saying earlier this week that when the courts strike down the bill it will be the devastation of Obama?
Well, now the shoe is on the other foot. This is the first in many defeats for Mitt and the repugs that will happen this year. They will suffer devastating defeats in the debates and then the big defeat in November!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Oh I know all about them - my other had 3" 3 ring binders to organize that mess!
I am so happy for you & Phil being able to breath a sigh of relief!
NOW, MSNBC posts a story on the lives and fortunes Healthcare Reform will save, for a number of sick Americans.
NOW we get stories of people being turned down for insurance due to pre-existing conditions, or people unable to afford private insurance who are self-employed, or children who were facing a lifetime cap on their insurance after surviving childhoods in which they were hospitalized for serious conditions. All issues addressed by the Affordable Care Act, aka ObamaCares and now, RobertsCaresToo.
Before the ruling, the media behaved as if it would be struck down, so it only reported on death panels and the Republicans violent reaction to the Act. It allowed Republican politicians to go unchallenged when they would rant and rave on Sunday Shows about the Act being unconstitutional. NOW will the public learn the facts? Will the media start to INFORM the public? Or will it still obey the billionaires that buy the advertising. Now, don't make the Koch brothers mad, boys!.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL who writes:
Hi girlfriend, Independent but still here. Go and insult me as much as you want, I'm not going anywhere, until November.
Go a head and show your true colors but before you do, Congratulations on the outcome. I'm sorry I forgot that you are ignoring this author.
phinephancy - hope you are doing well and that treatments are not making you too sick. Best wishes!
I'm with you Phine, finally paying off my 20% of a 3 level spine fusion from 2010. This may not be perfect (single payer would be perfect) but it sure is a good start. Plus it lets us watch the right pull their undies out of that wedgie position which is so very much fun, almost as much as watching them get in that position in the first place.
Hope and change are working very, very well for me and my working class family, thanks for asking!
Isn't it just like someone like concern to assume friendship where none exists?
Still waiting for a cogent thought, concern.
The President just spoke, but I have to wonder, is there really anyone out there who actually still listens to the supercillious noises that emit from this serial liars mouth now that the Supreme Court has definitively found, contrary to the empty words of this disgraced liar, the other mealy mouthed Democratic liars in His administration, the congress, and their lap dog , boot licking, propaganda lackies in the MSM,that it was indeed a tax, deceitfully inflicted upon the American People. Now what? I guess these same people will now come up with another PROMISE that They will take Your Health Care taxes You send in and put them in a "lock box",.......... just like They did with Social Security,...........We are so screwed if We don't kick these radical extremist out of Government ,everywhere We can, at every level, in November, and in all elections to come.
NewdayDwning....... whatever.
Are you being racist again. I know you do not like me because I'm an Independent and I happen to be latina/black. I'm not trying to get anything resembeling friendship from you, you horsees
Actually, concern, I am offended by ignorance. And that is the one attribute you hold in abundance.
By opposing the healthcare law declared 'constitutional' by the Supreme Court, the Republicans have launched their 'war on Constitution', since a Supreme Court decision is now constitutional law.
...GOP launching their 'war on constitution.'
well I am not surprised, basically all those Republicans (palin, boner, SOB (son of bush, sr. that is.) have always been bunch of outlaws.
J.D.Still - can you say that in English?
pigotry, nice try but obamacare is still subject to modification and it wont take 3/4 of congress to change it.
Looks like we will have to wait for 2014 to see how many $$$ the federal government will have to pay out in subsidies for those still not being able to afford insurance.
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Greetings phine...
I hear you on the amount of your bills even with good insurance. Seems that there will always be copays and deductables to meet. Interesting that obamacare doesn't address ever rising healthcare costs as the US is number one in that category compared to other nations and #18 in lifespan. (from bloomnergTV)
Hey Ms. Sanity
Yup ,sure can and in six other languages beside, but why? Now don't tell me My opinion wasn't clear enough! LOL
Romney/ ............. 2012
Obama/Biden........ 20 to Life
american - interesting that the GOP can't put together an idea to address all of those concerns and hasn't been able to in decades!
J.D. Still - sure you can but you still can't write coherently.
You've got a much better chance of Bush/Cheney getting life for mass murder!
Romney will go back home (wherever that is) in late November.
Obama/Biden 2012 for 4 more years!
Impact on 2012 race?
Mitt the MisFitt is finished.
No need for repeal. I'm looking forward to the lefty liberal whining and crying when President Romney simply decides to use the Barry tactic of not enforcing the parts of ClunkerCare that he doesn't like.
What goes around comes around.
LMFAO!!!!!
Pigotry/Missy
Really?,Two thirds of Americans are against this law and pissed! You thought 2010 was rough for the Dems? You aint seen nothin yet!
and Missy, I know it's tough for many Dems to follow, but I haven't figured out How to use crayons on a computer screen yet. : )
redheaded slut - an excellent cocktail..
you think you won? SERIOUSLY.. SERIOUSLY
try this in your tiny little brain cell
I am a right wing, gun toting, ANGRY homophobic racist who wants a war on women.. Today Cheif justice of the United States said that government action is permissible as long as a Tax alternative is given. Instead of a mandate - i get the false choice of the yield to the governments demands or pay the tax (which can be set to any amount congress wants) So today my "party" won both congress and the White house and we have two years of laws to make.. every republican scary thought is now your legal reality. No protection from the courts.. well just add the phrase "or pay a tax" and BANG its legal according to the Supreme Court of the Unitedstates.. you want that?
You really think you won?
You really want to live in a country were any "movement" like the tea party can sweep into power and write ANY LAW under the "roberts decision". There will be no constitutional protections or court protections no state protections. your at the will to every insane political leader.. know any insane political leaders on in the party you oppose.. who say are supported by billion dollar corporations.. NO WAY THAT COULD END UP BAD FOR YOU!!!!
What happened today was as fundamental as the "invention" of the right to privacy in roe v. wade. these supreme court legal justifications NEVER GO AWAY.....just think scary republican thoughts about what MITT will do to you and add the phrase, "or pay a tax" to the end.
then tell my how exciting this is to you..
Joshua W. Morris
Then your anger should be directed to the Supreme Court. Why come on here and make your candy ass threats. It was one of the rights biggest idols (remember when Roberts was nominated for the SC) who brought the tax issue into it.
I'm a left winger and I'll wager that I have more weapons of larger caliber than you do.
Revenge - a little demented aren't ya? Hmmmm - try some meds - my guess is they'd do wonders for your out of control anger! And, you're a pretty sick dude!
J.D. - keep trying. I'm sure you'll figure out how to make those crayons work.
Obama/Biden 2012
This is really the big story here. Another gawd dang 5-4 decision, albeit holding up ACA, but really weak. First off by the narrow split, in which it would have been better to see Justice Kennedy making this a 6-3 vote.
And aside from questioning motives (ideology versus constitutional law), Roberts was not willing to put his legacy on the line for the damage he knows would have been caused if any part of the ACA was struck down. And further to the point of cowardice, he just has to make the jab about this being yet another tax increase and how voters need to elect Republicans if they don't like it. WTF?
Roberts is right, but not about election and taxes, rather about elections and appointments to the SCOTUS. From the time the Supreme Court made the mistake of ruling in favor of Bush over Gore (we all know now Gore won Florida and the election was rigged by Katherine Harris under Jeb Bush), the chain of events have been Dubya making two appointments -- Roberts and Alito, which has determined all the rulings since such as the recent striking down of Montana’s Corrupt Practices Act (1912).
Alito is in there with Scalia -- Both have broken with historic rules of conduct. Alito openly saying "not true" to the president in an address to the nation, and Scalia attacking the president by name in his writings. As with the rest of the coming election, the choice is clear:
The election will not be a referendum on ACA, rather it will be about possible appointments to the Supreme Court and absolute necessity to balance the courts with additional justices who are moderate leaning to the Left. After Citizen's United, imaging what Mitt "corporations are people too" Romney would do, it is the most disturbing thought of any of the GOP/TP candidates that ran this cycle.
Save the Courts -- Obama/Biden 2012!
you people.. its not about who's got a bigger gun frank you moron, and its not demented seeking sanity..
its about protections of the law, WHEN YOUR NOT IN POWER.. if you dont agree just go as Mubark's supporters if they wish he had respected the rule of law. LAWS via checks and balances and supreme courts are inplace to prohibit congress from taking unilateral actions by adding the phrase "or else pay a tax"..
And back to Dips4it Frank,
what threats you moron? Quote a threat? your the one levying the threats your small minded fool!!
I point out the the mechanism to justify the law you want is the same mechanism that going to justify the laws YOU DON'T WANT. The Supreme court burned the village to kill rid it of termites and your cheering like it a good thing. Grow up and lean to read you foolish little man
joshua w morris
Revenge of Podus (Joshua)
Your concerns are legitimate, I hope and believe a Conservative Administration will be more judicious,(and faithful to the Constitution), while being a great deal less deceitful to the American People, but the more the people are abused and lied to, the more They will become inflamed, and the further to the right the pendulum will swing. It could be a problem.
My goodness, someone's knickers are in a knot today.
you right new day.
when my tea party gets in power i want to pass a law that all free range (wild) horses get terminated, people that allow these horses to continue to come across their lands will be taxed 500 per horse, unless there willing to shoot them.
sounds Unreasonable to me, but the courts are not a protection, since i offered you the choice of shooting the horses or paying a reasonable tax of 500 per horse. There is PRECEDENT and LEGAL PROTECTION for this type and any other insane law that politicians think up. You seriously don't get that.
Revenge - our constitution is always evolving. If it wasn't we'd be stuck with slavery, no rights for women, etc. This was the right decision even though you don't agree with it! YOU clearly don't understand.
Wandering pretty far afield in the land of paranoia, are we not "revenge"? Under HCR, you should be able to access health insurance that will allow you to see a competent professional that can help you get your distorted thinking under control.
no check on government mandate as long as they ad a "alternative choice of taxing". you think Taxing is an alternative choice? or paying a tax is to avoid having to do something is the same definition of freedom that's outlined the "inalienable rights"
Additionally the constitution has evolved to limit the creative expansion of the branches or states over the individual. This ruling lays the foundation to enable the government to do what it deems to the individual. the Constitution protects liberty as that which is UNDEFINED as powers of the government. This ruling says government power is undefined because they can allow "opt out taxation". So is the willingness to pay a tax the same a freedom of choices...?
joshua w morris
Now, you are not even making sense Revenge. Do take a deep breath, and start again. THERE! Don't you feel better?
See, the Founders used mandates in the First Congress to get health insurance for seamen. Over 20 of the framers of the Constitution supported that, including one George Washington, a man that you must have heard of, that is, if you didn't sleep through school.
I'm pretty sure that the Founders had a better idea of what was allowed Constitutionally than you do
new day. i will type slowly to help you understand better.
i am not talking about the ACA act ruling - learn that, read that statement again and let it sink in.
ready!?!
I am talking about the legal rationale that Justice Roberts and the other 4 used to get to that ruling. That adding a tax alternative empowers government to take any action its political rules see fit, because "elections have consequences" ... seriously?!?
i am concerned that supreme court rulings creates precedence that is used to justify other laws the court never had to consider - like requiring the entire country to buy a hybrid car so the US will stop freeloading off the global warming reduction efforts of other countries.. seems plausible now. buy a hybrid car or pay a extra tax.
if you are Unable to think beyond juvenile insults and "yea we won" mentality then you deserve all the fruit a radical legal ruling like this will bear.. however i understand you never go past the the words past "yea we won"
sigh!
joshua w morris.
newday
oh dear god. your ignorant.
the act to which you refer was a payroll taxing authority from the federal gov to ship owners who crossed state lines.
ship owners collected a TAX that the federal gov used to pay for healthcare. The ship owners were not required to buy health insurance, and only those ships who operated across state lines fell under this jurisdiction. International and local shipping did not.. jesus man do you just make this sh1t up as you go.
the later act required ship owners to pay for hospital stays or medicines if the ship was of a certain size and did not have a medicine chest on board. that is more work place rules and labor standards than healthcare mandates.
Please tell me that's not what you justify as "rationale is it"
Actually, it was a mandate. There were two subsequent mandates, one on firearms, and one, again on the seamen, making them spend 20 cents to get hospital insurance.
it was a mandate if the ship did not have a medicine chest on board. If they did they were exempt from the insurance requirement. There are millions of workplace laws that require the employer to do certain things if they do not remedy certain workplace conditions.
but i don't care, The law is dumb and will fail due to economics not politics, people who cannot afford it still can't afford it regardless of how many IRS credits you get (can pay bills with IRS credits)
what i do care about is the lasting effects of the NEW RATIONALE that the Supreme invented. that's the real damage in this ruling.
Joe in Albany-1902257 -- Yet another false equivalency from a rightwinger. You compare "ClunkerCare" to the achievement of ACA, even as watered down as ACA became? Puleeze. Any anyone who believes a POTUS can repeal ACA needs to take civics class again.
J.D.Still -- Two thirds of Americans are against a mandate, not the individual parts of ACA that are very popular. Since the mandate is a small tax that can't be enforced, who cares -- except the insurance companies, they were pissed about that. After folks get refunds from their insurance companies, we'll see how many are still against ACA.
RevengeofPodus -- Ah shadup.
The reason both Parties turn a blind eye to illegal labor is the same reason they don't want to shut down health insurance businesses -- the economy stupid. But who says it is good to have monopolies? We need competition and we need regulations. We need a Public Option!
"but I don't care..." typical.
Hate to let too much information sneak in that brain, right Revenge?
Whew! If anyone needs affordable care, it's Revenge of Podus. Seriously dude, see a doctor and get some meds.
In honor of ACA day: righties save your lives: Faux News has 'facts' that will prevent teabagger heart attacks.
For those to the right of Hitler: the Klan has a forum also. Let's pray someone there donates some Haldol to silence the voices in 'REVENGE's' hollow head.
Why give any credence to the pundits that are on here today. They are pissed because a decision came down. It was the correct decision, and they are upset like little whinny babies they are, beside being Republicon trolls.
So, I say to you trolls, STFU and troll somewhere else!
OBAMA 2012
These guys have had 6 months to determine the impact of the ruling either way and today they don't know how it will effect the campaigns?
This is a certifiable winner for the GOP and Mark and Domenico know it, otherwise they would be touting how great it is for Obama's re-election.
I can't wait to see how many Dems run on the fact that they voted for this tax increase on all of America.
And you have such a good record of being right, WCA. You had told all of us that HCR would be defeated.
You lost big.
The tax is only if you do not have or do not purchase health insurance.
In other words … do the right thing and there is no tax on anyone.
Hey WCA!
Where ya been today little buddy?
You're awfully quite today... for someone who has been cock-strutting for weeks on end with your taunts!
First you got bitch-slapped on immigration earlier this week and now this?
OUCH it's got to sting!
PS: Swallow a little harder... you still have a little crow's foot sticking out of your BIG mouth!
We all lost big NDD and yes, I did not see that John Roberts would essentially take it into his own hands to make the case for Obama.
If you remember, his AG argued that it was legal under the commerce clause, that is why he failed so miserably.
I learned something today about the judicial system.
It doesn't matter how crappy your lawyer is, if the judge wants to interpret the case rather than use the evidence presented in court he can.
Do you care that Obama lied about this not being a tax?
Nah Feisty, AZ got slapped when Obama told them he was not going to enforce the SCOTUS decision on Immigration.
See, this President only enforces the laws he likes. He likes ACA so I hope you all are ready to get your wallets out.
The tax man cometh.
YOU, WCA, were one of the many conservative fools who made the statement that the ACA would be defeated as late as yesterday.
You were wrong as usual.
Now you have the gall to try to spin this as a win for the GNOP? Your delusional thought process is truly remarkable.
As far as taxes going up; so be it. If my taxes go up with the guarantee that it will go to help those who need it, I will happily pay the increase. All to often our taxes are spent on on things that don't make sense. This not only makes sense, it is the most reasonable thing to happen in this country in decades.
It is people like yourself who could care less about others (which seems to be the GNOP mantra) that forced the hand of the President to make such a magnanimous gesture to help millions of Americans that otherwise would continue to be without healthcare.
Poor WCA, that crow is not going down well, is it?
No matter how you try to spin it, you LOST BIG!
Now. Let's see if you can be honest for once in your life. Repeat after me:
"I was wrong about immigration, I was wrong about HCR, and because I am always wrong, I must be wrong about my President. I am going to vote for him in the next election, since my President, a Constitutional lawyer is a smart man, and I know that now."
Ready....GO!
Give him a big cup of Hate-or-aide to hekp wash down the feathers! lol
They sure don't take defeat well... lol
WCA,
Like I said you only pay if you don’t have or purchase health insurance.
Also the law does NOT enforce payment of the fine (tax) – it is voluntary.
Nah Brian, actually I stated as recently as this morning that it would be defeated. As did most journalists and most of the American Public.
Guess that makes us all fools, eh?
As far as taxes going up; so be it.
Brian you are free to send all the money you want to the Feds. Keep your hand out of my wallet.
Dennis, why does the ACA need 1000's of IRS Agents if the Tax is voluntary?
What exactly is a VOLUNTARY Tax anyway? Spin that for me, will ya?
You need to get off of MSNBC and get some real information Dennis.
Guess that makes us all fools, eh?
Yes! It certainly does Auto!!!!!!!!
Come on NDD, say it with me...
President Obama lied to all of us.I will not vote for a liar. I will vote for Mitt Romney.
That's great Brian, all those fools have a vote in November as well.
I think the reaction here is some proof that we aren't exactly sure how the politics will play out -- as it relates the presidential election. It could fire up or deflate conservatives. It could fire up liberals or make them complacent. We're just not sure yet.
For the election is an important distinction, too, I think. This is clearly a positive for the president's legacy, because the reverse would have been a disaster for it.
In fairness to those who predicted the the law would get deemed unconstitutional, most experts seemed to be leaning that way. And InTrade...which usually has a good track record at predicting things political (after all, people are putting their money where their mouth is) was running at 74% chance of unconstitutional.
I think a few people just got a little overzealous in their predictions. ;-)
Domenico - I think the reaction here
Hey Domenico I'll give you the same advice I give the Treehouse Gang (Which you seem to be an honorary member of):
The reaction here is always the same. Try getting out once in a while and talking to people who don't think you walk on water.
You are absolutely correct Domenico and a welcome sight to see you posting here as well as providing us with great articles everyday.
It is my hope and belief that this will fire up the democrats as well as deflate the republican bases in the coming election.
The president needed this as much as all of the deserving people in the country who otherwise would still not have affordable health care for themselves and their families.
This is a great victory!
Wow, WCA, is it really necessary to personally insult your hosts? If you don't like what is written here, leave. In the meantime, you owe Domenico an apology.
Nah Frank, we're all just fools.
If I read it on the internet, it must be true.
You folks just keep prodding that bear with a stick, don't you?
Hey Domenico, why don't you guys take that "Enthusiasm Poll" again next week.
Maybe this time you can OVERSAMPLE white men and white women.
Hey NDD, try a little reading comprehension. That insult was directed at the Treehouse Gang. Domenico can't help it if you people are all lapdogs.
WCA,
[What exactly is a VOLUNTARY Tax anyway? Spin that for me, will ya?]
Be happy to but if you read the law or the court ruling you would know that while the IRS will bill you if you cannot prove you have health insurance they cannot force payment like they do with income taxes and the cannot attach any fine or penalties for non-payment.
I am laughing at you WCA, as you try to spin the "President Obama said it was not a tax." Is that really all you have to cling to?
Sorry, won't wash. And by the way, why don't you go to Factcheck.org about that utter nonsense you posted about all the IRS agents hired to collect this alleged tax. Hmmmm?
You know, WCA: you really should make an effort to get over the jealousy you feel about our tree house. We are very proud of it and our friendships. I know that you resent greatly that you cannot make the same kind of friendships, but if you try very hard to swallow those impulses of yours, that make you so offensive to people, why you too, might be able to make some friends! Wouldn't that be a wonderful thing?
Friends?
You're talking about the guy who spends every night & weekend on FR rather then spending some quality time with his wife & kids...
Domenico - seriously, who do we complain to about the blatant partisanship of David Gregory on MTP? (You guys do a great job!)
It is estimated that between 3% and 5% will be subject to fines.
Last year in Mass only 1% were fined.
What I think is worse, Seeking Sanity, is that Gregory has to be the most boring person in the world!
I would have to say it's going to be a HUGE win for the President. Especially now that the media will report the benefits of the legislation (which they could have for 18 months, if they weren't so busy reporting on the political catfight).
Why is it a huge win? First, the President gets the leadership bump from the Court's affirmation of legality and legitimacy. Second, every time the Teapublican nominee mentions the A.C.A., it gets reflected right back to the Massachusetts policy, which is almost a duplicate. Thirdly, the independents in the electorate see the President has won and are going to put this issue to bed as a "W" for the President.
All in all, there is nothing but positive results from this decision for; most importantly, the American people and secondly, the President.
Suck it, healthcare plutocracy!
Feisty has the balls, err vagina, to comment on the amount of time anyone spends on First Read?
You.Have.Got.To.Be.Kidding.
Side note: Betty White: "I don't know why people say Grow some balls. They are sensitive and get hurt easily. They should say Grow a Vagina. Those things can take a real pounding" (Kind of paraphrased)
Newsday- He's boring and blatantly stupid! Bad combination!
Domenico...
Thanks for your comments. My $0.02 is that it is simply human nature to be more motivated when you are angry about something. I see this ruling as a short term fund-raising plus for Romney / GOP. As for the long-term electoral issue, I agree that it's a bit tougher to see. I think it will motivate the Tea Party portion of the GOP to rally around Romney a bit more. The question for the President and the Dems will be, can they motivate their base equally with the prospect of "protecting" ACA? Time will certainly tell. The economy is still going to be the primary driver here. Thanks as always for chiming in! :-)
Hey Domenico - seriously, who do we complain to about the blatant partisanship of you and Mark on First Read? (David Gregory does a great job!)
Now SS do you see how silly that looks?
WCA - I'm sure in your small mind it does!
I see the left still can't connect the dots.
Seems that the penalty for not getting insurance in 2014 is like $94 going up incrementally over time to what, less than $700? That the IRS will not be asked to pursue violators? (from nbcpolitical unit reporting today).
There still is no incentive for many to get health insurance with such a low bar penalty. As for preexisting conditions I am sure that the insurance companies already have a work around based on some type of time qualifier. Diagnosed last week, run out and buy insurance tomorrow?
Somehow I get the feeling that obamacare will be a disappointment for many after 2013/2014.
For those whose employers pay all or part of your coverage remember to smile and thank obama next january when you get your W-2's and box 12 now lists their contribution as part of your new taxable earned income. And you all thought obama looked after the poor and middle class....
Best government lie since the 60's...
"I am from the government and I am here to help you"
Hey american, look around. Look at all the people that have had major illnesses just pop into thier life out of the blue. Why do you assume you are immune from any of that.
As far as a tax is concerned. I won't have to pay it so I could care less if you do. For those that will have a hard time paying for it, there is help for that, which is a million times cheaper than emergency room and castatrophic care bills are costing us now.
FrankH - the far right just doesn't get it. I have a friend who went into surgery that was to last 2 hours to remove a growth in her inner ear. They knew, from the MRI, the growth had gone into her head but when they got in found it was worse than presented. After 11 hours of surgery she came out with no hearing in one ear, equilibrium shot, sagging side of her face and trouble speaking. It has taken months of therapy to walk properly and speak coherently.
This was a "healthy" woman. And, overall, this was a minor situation - not life threatening. But, the hospital bills! Unbelievable!
No one PLANS for these things but we all need help when they happen!
You don't even know what you're talking about. What, in the law, did the POTUS not enforce? You don't even know the law, however, POTUS is a law professor, and knows the law.
So, your words mean less than nothing. Troll.
Well, guess Mittens will have to memorize a new talking point or hope the monitor has a new one prepared for him, cause all week he has spouted that if the SC overturned the ACA President Obama's 3 1/2 years in office will have been for nothing. What's that mittens? Oh, yes, I know, it is the sound of your teeth crunching on all that crow. Chew well old fella, I hope it is not the last bite of crow you and the baggers get to taste.
Good point. WCA is having trouble swallowing all that crow too.
White Collar Auto
This is a certifiable winner for the GOP and they know it, otherwise they would be touting how great it is for Obama's re-election.
I can't wait to see how many Dems run on the fact that they voted for this tax increase on all of America.
Stiff Collar
What's difference does it make the handwriting is on the wall? Even you know President Obama wiil be re-elected and the blue dogs will help keep the majority in the Senate.
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Hey Bev, you call anyone else's family who has a murdered son, racists lately?
Hey WCA, can you try to stay on topic...
I know it hurts and all but be a man for once and at least try... K?
WCA is falling apart right before our eyes Feisty. He really is taking this hard.
I know it hurts and all but be a man for once and at least try... K?
Sorry to say Feisty, but WCA is showing the true colors of the republican party: Hate, Fear, Anger, Disillusion, and Disrespect for everyone else.
You people whine "Where is the right" and when we show up, you whine about what we have to say.
Make up your minds will you?
I do have tp give him a little credit - at least he showed up for the ass-kicking unlike the rest of the right wing cowards!
Isn't that the truth!
You forgot manners... lol
Poor thing is so upset he finds it necessary to lash out at our hosts!
These right wingers are a real piece of work!
Nah, we are having a lot of fun at your expense WCA. Why do you think your buddies didn't show up?
No Feisty, I believe I will continue to post whatever I want.
You are the one who is big on calling out liars here.
How about it? I showed where Bev called the Terry family racists, yet she denies it?
Come on Bev. Why are you such a liar?
He says while stomping his widdle feet with his fists clenched! lol
You of all people have some nerve calling someone else a liar!
See here's the dealeo!
Just because you demand something doesn't mean people have to answer your asinine questions!
Should be getting to the usual statement of victimization from WCA, Feisty, in which case, he will give up.
You people whine "Where is the right" and when we show up, you whine about what we have to say.
I hope you don't believe that I whine about you or anyone else showing up here everyday. Quite the opposite. While I don't agree with your sentiment, I applaud you and everyone else for posting opinions here.
In all but a few elections in memory we elect a president with a difference of about 10 to 20 million votes or so, when about 130 million or so vote. With the exception of a certain MN candidate, there have been few landslide elections where a president took office with the vast majority of the nation favoring him.
The people of this great nation have the right to shout from the rooftops their opinion on any matter they wish. This site is no different. We can call each other fools (or worse), but no matter what, we all have the right to be here saying what we want.
Jesus Christ, do you people ever read what you write?
You all do realize that every single thing you throw out applies to the way you all post here?
I use to think you all were just partisan.
Now I realize, you're really all just not that smart.
WCA - you finally figuring that out? At last you have realized that the FR left really isn't that smart, Their only real value is as a comedy team blathering on and on about matters they don't understand.
Boy, howdy, you ARE having a bad day, WCA! You are getting absolutely nowhere with this tantrum you are persisting in.
Do go take a nice walk, you will feel much better.
Brilliant. Every one of you.
Certifiable winner for the gop? You gotta be kidding, right? This is their worst nightmare, now you have hope for the uninsured and uninsurable, you will have doctors who will get paid for treating poor sick people instead of having to do it for free, you will finally have insurance payments to emergency rooms so maybe, just maybe the cost of everyone elses healthcare will go down for a change.
Union baby, still doesn't necessarily make insurance affordable, especially considering that the government will step in to subsidize those who can't afford it.
What happens to Medicaid?
We therefore urge HHS to go full speed ahead on the Capitated Financial Alignment Demonstration that tests the payment and delivery system models for Medicare/Medicaid dual eligibles via enrollment in managed care plans. Unlike the care coordination that Medicaid health plans can offer this unique population, we believe the fragmented fee-for-service delivery system is failing Medicare-Medicaid enrollees and is fiscally unsustainable for both the federal and state governments.
"However, we must reiterate that the ACA-mandated $8 billion annual fee on the health insurance industry in 2014, which gradually increases over time, should be repealed. According to a study by Milliman, Inc., an actuarial firm, approximately one-sixth of this fee will be placed on Medicaid health plans, but because of federal actuarial soundness requirements, will be paid entirely by state Medicaid programs, already financially-strapped even without the upcoming Medicaid expansion. Milliman's estimates show that the cost to states will be about $13.6 billion over the first ten years. Because state Medicaid programs are jointly funded by the federal and state governments, the fee will not only result in a large loss for state governments, but also amounts to the federal government taxing itself. This misguided policy hurts state Medicaid programs and Medicaid managed care programs and should not have been even considered.
Read more here: #storylink=cpy
Yes. Agreed. It must be unclear to MSM what this means. LOL
They haven't been told what to think yet.
From Romney's website:
What is RomneyCare? Major accomplishments and a brief overview:
Highlights of what RomneyCare has accomplished after 5 years of being in affect:
1 - Nearly every Massachusetts citizen is covered
2 - Many more businesses are offering medical insurance to their employees.
3 - The overall costs of the program to the state have not exceeded expectations.
4 - The cost of health care premiums for individuals who buy insurance without the help of an employer have gone down dramatically.
5 - RomneyCare remains exceptionally popular among state residents.
http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/
According to what I have read, seen and heard prior to this decision, the Romneyites believed that they had scored a victory and intended to play it to the hilt. In other words, a victory for opposers of Obamacare would assure a Romney victory in November. Now that they didn't get what they wanted, they want us to believe the opposite - that the victory for Obamacare itself will contribute to a Romney win. What a crock!
Member of WAR - Women Against Romney
We now know the only way to fix the health care issue in America is to get rid of Obama. It would be nice if we can do that this November. We certainly don't need this program to add to the deficit another 4 years before a better leader addresses the problem....
The effect of the Court's ruling impact has ZERO to do with the 2012 race! It was decided long before when the 99% American People were MADE SLAVES of by the corrupt Republican corporate MONARCHY! They STOLE the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE with their CAPITALISTIC GREED and ZERO GOVERNMENTAL CONTROL OVER IT because of the INFILTRATION of their "HAND-PICKED" political puppets like exlax ETCH-A-SKETCH and John Bonehead along with the rest of their republican congress that has done NOTHING FOR THE American People, except interfer with the government for their own gain! Our government was "of the people, by the people and for the people" according to our Constitution until it was INFILTRATED with this corruption! It is NOT Democracy, NOTHING BUT HYPOCRISY!
Today is a good day, but it is kind of funny.
Republicans pushed the mandate in the 90's, but Democrats disagreed.
Governor Romney signs the mandate as Governor and was even saying the entire US should follow his leadership and pass the mandate on a national level.
Democrats passed the mandate and President Obama signs the bill.
Republicans fight tooth and nail against it.
Governor Romney flip flops and says the mandate is bad. (Opposite of what he said 4 years ago).
Without Governor Romney passing the mandate, today we would have no mandate.
Democrats would not be celebrating.
Republicans would not be giving large sums to Governor Romney if he hadn't been the original champion of the mandate.
People are confused as to what exactly a mandate is. They are never confused about what a new tax is. This will hurt Obama and the dems much more than it will help them. Couple this with the fact that even before this ruling, 2/3 of Americans did not want this bill, and you can see that this may amount to little more than political suicide for Barrack and his minions.
Careful what you wish for Obama, you just might get it.
The tax (fine) is estimated to affect 3% to 5% of people. Last year in Mass they collected the fine on only 1% of people.
If you don’t want a tax increase (fine) then just buy the insurance and stop freeloading off of the rest of us.
J.D.Still
Get over it. Today you and the rest of the used tea bags lost a WHOPPER. To add insult to injury, your Teabagger-in-Chief Justice took the ball over the line.
Your response is to unload a barrage of insults that say nothing and adds nothing to the civil discourse on this site.
But that is OK. The Black Man causes you used tea bags lots of heartburn. Take heart, you have four more years to howl in the streets with your racist photos of the GREAT MAN.
The next spike up your a$$ is going to be gay marriage. $hit on yourself as you watch the GREAT MAN attend a gay wedding.
Then all of you used tea bags can get your shot guns and blow your brains out.
Hmmm. I'm surprised the CBC didn't self-deport to a hotel in Illinois - that civil disobedience thing is so groovy! 'Can't win? Vote "present". That's what cowards do...
Anyhoo, I have maintained all along that the sensible thing to do would have been to take the 30 million uninsured and suck them into medicaid, and leave the other 300 million alone - if we can give billions every year to countries that despise us, we could take 10% from each country and solve the problem for those 30 million.
RICO
Now that it's a tax to Congress...they will say that their original estimate to pay for ACA was, "...off a little, so we need those Americans that can afford it to - give just a little more".
I hope I'm wrong, but when Congress gets a green light to tax the People, keep you heads down, 'cause here it comes.
YAWN............Get a job Libtards/turds. Obamacare will never make it to 2014. Just like Odumbo.
Military Members, Veterans, Military retirees; note that Romney PROMOTED THE DRAFT during the Viet Nam War,
then skipped out to France for extraordinary length of time when church missionary tours were limited.
When Romney came home, he sided with his dad that the whole Viet Nam War was a scam and that he
was against the war. Promoting the draft, while Americans were dieing, he skipped out, then says he
wishes he could have participated. His whole life has been a lie.
Romney is a COWARD, Lying, Draft Dodger, who promoted someone else to die for him, that is
his way of management. One may want anyone but Obama, but this guy ranks with Jane Fonda and
should not be given anything or elected for anything. A low life human being who has risen to the top
because of his families money.
While the true results for the country (regarding Obama-Care) won't really be known for many years down the road, here's a few things that most independent voters can agree on:
1 - Obama-Care was passed with some serious back-room deals being given out to several states, many large labor unions, and many large businesses (not saying others haven't done similar deals, but this one certainly had more than it's fair share of secret deals), while we were repeatedly being told that Obama-Care WAS NOT a tax, and that no one making under $250K a year would pay "a dime more in taxes". Now the Supreme Court tells us that in fact it (Obama-Care) is in fact a tax and in fact that's the only way it (the new tax) can be declared constitutional, otherwise it would have be struck down.
When somebody tells you something that turns out to not be true, we used to call that a "lie". Seems to me that (in the perfect world) when a law is passed for reasons that turn out to be untrue, we (the voters) should get a mulligan (like a do-over from the sport of golf).
2 - Even though this President promised the "most open administration in history" it hardly seems like that's happened to date. Even the majority of Congress (both sides) had almost no time to study the bill, or offer amendments to correct some of the issues within the bill, before being told that had to vote on it. Nancy Pelosi (then Speaker of the House) is even quoted on camera telling her members to vote to pass the bill and read what's in it later, hardly the way most Americans want laws passed that affect millions of us.
3 - Most folks working in the Washington, D.C. apparently can't do basic math. One group runs around telling us that Obama-Care will (eventually) lower health care costs, another group says it will cost the country's taxpayers billions (if not trillions) in additional costs. Both can't be right, but both sides play games with math. If one side says they want to raise benefits to Seniors 10% and the other side says they want to raise benefits 4%, the first side screams that their opponents want to cut benefits to Seniors by 60% (10% down to just 4%). Unfortunately the media is also guilty of pushing this nonsense as well, probably because headlines of "Side 2 wants to CUT Senior benefits by 60%" sells more papers and magazines than a headline of "Side 2 wants to RAISE Senior benefits by 4%".
4 - Neither side (Democrats or Republicans) are really interested in anything else except getting re-elected, so they'll tell their side anything they want to hear to make that happen. If they really had "skin in the game" this mess (and many others) would never have happened. If Congress had to live with ALL of the same laws they pass on us (healthcare, insider trading, retirement, etc., etc) you can bet they would have stopped to read the bill before voting on it.
In fact, if the people passed a Constitutional amendment that required that ALL members of Congress had to live with the same laws we are forced to accept you'd see a pretty rapid return toward more civility between parties very quickly. Case in point, we're got another financial crisis coming (again) with another showdown looming (again) with the debt ceiling. Want to fix it? Make a law that NO member of the House or Senate is eligible for re-election if the debt ceiling exceeds 5% of the GDP. Then sit back and watch how fast the Congress cooperates with one another when they want to be eligible for re-election.
You can argue the benefits (or drawbacks) to Obama-Care until we have cars that run on water, but paying members of Congress to blindly vote on laws that affect us all (without even having read what's in the bill) is really stupid (and a waste of our tax dollars).
If that's what Congress is getting paid for, why not just have the 33 million viewers of American Idol just phone in their votes? It would be much more "democratic" (33 million vs. 100 Senators and 435 House members), we'd save a bunch of money (instead of paying Congress), and even if you don't agree with the outcome of any particular American Idol vote that week at least you'd be entertained for an hour or two (which is more than we got with this bill).
Since Obama doesn't uphold the laws of the land on immigration, and Holder does not honor the laws either, can American citizens ignore Obamacare?
It certainly appears this is a teachable moment. Hypocrisy and Double Standards are a big part of the DNC party platform and the Creed of unCronkite-like JournOlists working in concert to get that usurping occupier barack husein re-elected.
....Just a thought
That's funny because I really get the same feeling from pundit Republicon trolls, like you, every, single day! What a coincidence!
Can't get away from your past Romney...........
My heart goes out to the special military members who served and died in the line of service in Viet Nam.
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Romney served his mission in France, and was extended extra time there which was not authorized
under draft conditions.
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So what, he promoted the draft under duress situation for draftees, before he left for France.
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So it was OK to have other people die for our country, but he had other agendas when it came to saving his own way of life.
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He deserves a line right in there with Jan Fonda.
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Sorry but facts are facts and he is not a true religious person, he is and has been a rich son from a well to do rich family.
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Yes there were other high rollers that skipped out as well, but don't promote the draft and take a safe haven way out while doing it.
Low life phoney who wants to be president, I don't think so. Military people are against you Romney.