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Subscribe to RSSDecision Day on Obama’s health-care law… Both Obama and Romney are in DC today… New NBC-Marist polls: Michigan: Obama 47%, Romney 43%; North Carolina: Obama 46%, Romney 44%; New Hampshire: Obama 45%, Romney 45%... Who is doing a better job of defining Bain -- Romney or his opponents?... And speaking of, a new Priorities USA ad hits Romney on the topic.
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President Barack Obama waves alongside lawmakers after signing the healthcare insurance reform legislation during a ceremony in the East Room of the White House, March 23, 2010.
*** Decision Day: “This is a big f-ing deal.” That’s what Vice President Biden said about the health-care legislation that President Obama was about to sign into law in March of 2010. But the same could be said -- more than two years later -- about today’s upcoming U.S. Supreme Court decision on that very same law. At stake is Obama’s top domestic policy achievement, something that Democrats have been pursuing since the Truman days and something that the party paid a high price for in the 2010 midterms. Republicans also have something at stake here: Despite all their resistance, the Tea Party rallies, and the court challenges, is it possible that they come up empty-handed? And, of course, today’s decision will have repercussions in the 2012 presidential contest. The decision comes after 10:00 am ET, so fasten your seatbelts…
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd is joined by NBC's Pete Williams to discuss the upcoming ruling on the health care law.
*** Obama’s and Romney’s whereabouts: As for the two principal actors in the presidential race, both will be in DC. We can report that if the U.S. Supreme Court finds the health-care law constitutional, Obama will comment from the White House fairly soon after the decision. But if it’s unconstitutional -- or if the ruling is a mixed bag -- reaction from Obama could come later in the day. Meanwhile, we’re also expecting that Romney will make his comment in the nation’s capital, too.
*** A reminder: The ruling might not come at 10:00 am sharp: NBC’s Pete Williams issues this guidance on the Supreme Court’s health-care ruling: The decision might not be right at 10:00 am ET. The court, Williams says, also has two other decisions to issue today -- a challenge to a recently passed federal law that makes it a crime to lie about receiving a military honor and a case involving who can sue over certain real estate transactions. The justices announce their decisions in reverse order of seniority, starting with the most junior and moving up to the most senior. So Williams says it's possible we could get the health care decision right at 10:00 am ET, but it's also possible that we'll have to wait for the court to hand down the other two first.
*** A tight race per three new battleground state polls: In advance of the Supreme Court decision -- and also in advance today’s contempt of Congress vote on Attorney General Eric Holder -- we have some new polling data to chew on. According to a new round of NBC-Marist polls, Obama and Romney are running almost neck-and-neck in three swing states whose place in the battleground is in some dispute between the two campaigns. Our polls find Obama holding a slight advantage in Michigan and North Carolina and with the two candidates tied in New Hampshire. In Michigan, Obama is ahead by four percentage points among registered voters, including those undecided yet leaning toward a candidate, 47%-43%. (The closeness here could be reflective of the fact the Obama campaign hasn’t spent any money in this state while outside GOP groups have.) In North Carolina, the president gets 46% to Romney’s 44%, which is within the survey’s margin of error. And in New Hampshire, the two men are tied at 45% each.
*** But is Obama stronger in those states than the head-to-heads suggest? When you look at the other data in the polls, you see that Obama might be in a stronger position than those head-to-head numbers suggest in two of the states. In Michigan, Obama’s approval is 48%-42% and his fav/unfav is 51%-41%, while Romney’s fav/unfav in his native state is just 37%-43%. In New Hampshire, the president’s approval is 47%-45% and his fav/unfav is 50%-44%, versus Romney’s 45%-45% fav/unfav. In North Carolina, it’s a jump ball no matter how you look at it. Obama’s approval is 47%-47% and his fav/unfav is 48%-45%, while Romney’s fav/unfav is 45%-45%. And we’ll say this about North Carolina, which Obama won by just 14,000 votes in 2008: All the polling we’ve seen in the Tar Heel State suggests he has a high floor. We’re not sure if he can get to 50% there, but he’s going to be in high 40s.
*** November Bain: Yesterday, the Romney campaign met with Washington Post editors demanding a retraction from its story last week noting that Bain Capital, under Romney’s leadership, invested in companies that outsourced jobs to China and India. The Washington Post isn’t retracting the story. (The Romney folks have released the PowerPoint they had put together for the Post to the public.) But here’s a question to ponder in all of this: Who has done a better job of defining Bain so far -- Romney or his opponents? Indeed, earlier this year, it was Newt Gingrich who was defining Bain. And now it’s the Obama campaign and the news media. Romney does have a good story to tell here (Staples, Sports Authority), but the campaign has yet to air a single paid TV ad in this general election touting that story. If Romney ends up losing this presidential election, we might all look back and see Romney’s inability to define his work at Bain -- which he’s touting as his chief credential in this presidential contest -- as his undoing. Oh, and there’s a reason why Romney is challenging the Post: being portrayed as an outsourcer-in-chief is potentially MUCH MORE damaging than saying “the public sector is doing fine,” especially in those Midwest swing states.
*** Another hit on Bain: And speaking of defining Bain, the pro-Obama Super PAC Priorities USA Action is up with another TV ad on the topic. “Romney bought companies, drowned them in debt,” the narrator states in the ad. “Many went bankrupt; thousands of workers lost jobs, benefits and pensions. But for every company he drove into the ground, Romney averaged a $92 million dollar profit. Now he says his business experience would make him a good President?” The ad -- which will air in Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia -- concludes: “If Romney wins, the middle class loses.”
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While we all anticipate the SCOTUS decision of our life time, I thought it would be the perfect opportunity to remind America what two Kangaroo judges have been up to behind the scenes.
Tuesday, I pointed out how Thomas’s wife Ginny made obscene amounts of money from lobbying groups against HCR. Old Clarence conveniently forgot to disclose that income on required financial forms and called it inadvertent! lol
Now remember, it wasn’t an oversight for a year or two BUT (5) years in a row!
Thomas himself has an addiction to accepting lavish gifts from people & groups from which he hears cases.
But if all of that isn’t enough for you to question Clarence’s dubious behavior, nothing says unethical quite like an all-expense paid get-a-way compliments of the Koch Brothers!
Only this time Thomas had Scalia along for the free ride;
No conflict of interest here… right?
The Supreme Court is, "the only judicial body in the country that is not
governed by a set of judicial ethical rules,"
You would think given the recent blemishes on the Supreme Court this past decade; these justices would do the right thing…
Then again, we are talking about conservatives here…
Well this ought to be a fun day around here.
Libbies heads exploding left and further left.
I predict that the dissenting opinion on ACA will be cut and pasted a million times here today.
I predict that the words "Activist" or "Bought and Paid for" will be used a gazillion times here today.
Oh yeah, Eric Holder is going down today as well, in a Bi-Partisan vote. I predict he resigns on the 4th of July.
Let the games begin.
Someone forgot to give Da Rev. Al his pre-show valium dose last night. And I really appreciated it because Da Rev. has been kind of boring lately. But, last night it was just like the good ole days when he went into a Hillaryous FULL lefty liberal meltdown while trying to outmaneuver Rep. John Mica on Fast and Furious and failing miserably. Da Rev. kept asking Mica why the Republican’s were trying to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress when Issa has stated Holder may not have known about F and F at the time it was going on. Mica calmly responded that Holder was in contempt of Congress because he refused to provide a legitimate investigative committee of Congress with thousands of DOJ documents related to their investigation.
Da Rev, either being too stupid to understand the response (my main theory), or just being an MSDNC prime time Stooge mouthpiece for the DNC (equally plausible), or both (most likely explanation), then re-asked his original question why the Republican’s were trying to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress when Issa has stated Holder may not have known about F and F at the time it was going on. Mica again responded calmly that it was the withheld documents. You could see the steam starting to come out of Da Rev’s ears, and he got all flustered an huffy and re-asked his same stupid question again, only louder. When Mica again calmly responded that it was the withheld documents, Da Rev. demanded loudly “Why won’t you answer the question I’m asking you?” They went round and round again while I was falling out of my chair LMFAO!!!!!
It’s must see TV.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#47987468
The Supremes Are Ready for Another Hit.
I sure hope the sound of their tune will be a pleasant tune to the ear for millions of American without health insurance.
I also hope the Supremes Court has more than little interest in reaching a resolution, instead of choosing a path of political confrontation and theater.
In America, the rising cost of healthcare has the capacity to bankrupt the nation
2Fast2Furious Back By Popular Demand
Teaneck RepublicCONS have vowed to go thru their 2Fast2Furious sequel because it's back by popular demand.
I feel the pain and agony for the death of agent Brian Terry but they T-baggers/Republicans want to hold someone accountable for the death of agent Brian Terry. It just would have been nice if they had shown the same amount of zeal for some other good men and women who lost their lives because of the NRA. No, they ( T-baggers/Republicans ) can't do that because getting a score on the NRA means more than lost their lives .
RepublicCONS are the most loathsome creatures on this planet.
4more for 44
Obama/Biden 2012
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Stardate June 28th, two thousand and twelve.
Planet Earth. North American Continent. United States of America.
Millions of us hang on the mercy of the Supreme Court and will lose our health care, if the Affordable Health Care is struck down as a whole/in part today. We are human beings, still. Our powers of cooperation, our instincts for sharing, self-preservation and happiness are under attack from the wealthiest group in the history of the world, now networking globally to control the non-affluent sector.
Other developing countries have enjoyed health care for decades, but the people of the United states are still at risk in 2012. We need affordable, accessible health care for ourselves, our children and our parents.
We need a World Healthcare Council we can appeal to.
After seventy years of Presidents trying and failing, our courageous President Barack Obama finally got us health care reform. It is not fully implemented yet, but having enormous effects on families, people of all ages, and the future financial solvency of this country. When our people truly understand what is in the component parts of the bill, they agree.
Without it: Thousands of us will go into bankruptcy and lose our homes, lose everything because we cannot afford to pay medical bills. Under the ACA, preventive care is free and so reassuring for our families. Without not be permitted to have (unavoidable) pre-existing conditions. Insurance companies will again refuse treatment after receiving all our payments, and withdraw care without warning. Our young adult offspring will be on their own without health care security. Costs of senior medications will go up. Women will again be charged different rates to men. About 45,000 of us die every year without treatment. And in the United States, when you lose your job, you lose your health care.
The right wing of our nation wants to take away the lifesaving health care reform law, after we waited so long! In other countries health care is a human right, and people are so proud to know it is accessible to everyone they meet. In the United States, effective health care is increasingly for the wealthy. For millions of us without the Affordable Care Act, health care will once again become that unreachable star.
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Eric WithHolder must go !
Bev -I feel the pain and agonycfor the death of agent Brian Terry
That is pretty rich Bev, considering last week you were calling his family racists.
Good morning, everyone. My small contribution this morning will be just a couple of relevant excerpts from the Fortune article exposing the mythology behind the Fast and Furious witchhunt.
For Spanky, among others.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
So now, do us all a favor and go off and find something real to grouse about.
Or, maybe even better, why don't you turn your phony outrage against those special interests -- can you say NRA? -- that have used you and other conservative dupes as tools in this vicious assault on nothing at all.
Or do you like being used?
You must, because you sure get used a lot.
Exhibit A --
I'll take that bet.
And I'll wait for the demonization of Fortune, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Really, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Cut and paste the skewed and toxic talking points. You guys are like clockwork.
Let the SCOTUS decide and live with the decision without hate.
The UnAffordable Care Act must go !
WCA -- Regardless of how SCOTUS rules today, the Democrats will continue to work on the healthcare crises this country is facing. The Republicans will just continue to deny a problem exists.
@ Workingone -- "Eric WithHolder" LMAO, did you come up with that one?
Sure Anna Molly, which is why the Attorney General gave sworn testimony under oath to the Congress that guns were being walked across the border. You obviously do not live in a border state.
One day the Terry family may get a useful explanation as to what happened and why we won't do it again. Their son, a patriot, deserves that much.
Seriously. And so did the family of Pat Tillman, killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan, but the circumstances of whose killing were covered up deliberately by the Bush Defense Department.
I think "we won't do it again," by the way, because when Holder discovered the program, whatever it was supposed to be doing, he stopped it.
It really doesn't bother you, does it, to be used this way by the NRA. And the irony of this doesn't bother you -- the phony outrage over the death of one agent being drummed up by the NRA, whose vested interest is in making sure that EVEN MORE guns get into the hands of anyone and everyone, both here and in Mexico.
If anyone has shown a blatant disregard for the lives of ATF agents, it would be the NRA. And all of this is merely diversion intended to appeal to rabid gun nuts and divert attention from the REAL merchants of death.
Cowardly merchants of death, who hide under the misshapen skirts of the Second Amendment to avoid all responsibility for what they have wrought.
If I lived in Texas, THAT'S what I would be outraged about.
Many of the critics are in uproar about a black man that has made so much history in his first four years, thus giving other black people hope... Republicans can't allow that to happen since we are supposed to be subservient followers.
Oh well, better get used to it.
Wow, yet ANOTHER first post by Fiesty Redhead, the shadow MSNBC employee posing as an average concerned ccitizen. Amazing how MSNBC not only spins the news, but apparently allows Feisty Redhead special access to the news article, so she can start spewing the Democratic Party's talking points each day. With THOUSANDS of comments, it's quite interesting that ONE PERSON is able to make the first post each day!
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Back to work Feisty, another First Read article is about to be published. MSNBC's motto "We spin the news so you don't have to"
NOBAMA 2012!
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Yesterday, MSNBC chose to post an article on the Fast and Furious scandal that had previously been published in Fortune magazine. Many liberals pounced on this article thinking it was the silver bullet that they had been looking for to put an end to arguements from conservatives that the DOJ and Eric Holder had been grossly incompetent in their execution of the operation. Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but consider this statement made by Becca Watkins, spokeswoman for the House Oversight Committee:
"Fortune’s story is a fantasy made up almost entirely from the accounts of individuals involved in the reckless tactics that took place in Operation Fast and Furious. It contains factual errors – including the false statement that Chairman Issa has called for Attorney General Holder’s resignation – and multiple distortions. It also hides critical information from readers – including a report in the Wall Street Journal – indicating that its primary sources may be facing criminal charges. Congressional staff gave Fortune Magazine numerous examples of false statements made by the story’s primary source and the magazine did not dispute this information. It did not, however, explain this material to its readers. The one point of agreement the Committee has with this story is its emphasis on the role Justice Department prosecutors, not just ATF agents, played in guns being transferred to drug cartels in Mexico. The allegations made in the story have been examined and rejected by congressional Republicans, Democrats, and the Justice Department.”
For liberals who are too obtuse to grasp the import of the last sentence, allow me to clarify it for you. Everybody associated with the investigation of Fast and Furious, including the DOJ has distanced themselves from this article.
I personally have been following this story since it broke in early 2011 and after reading the Fortune article, I can tell you there are many discrepancies between what it presents as "facts" and the testimony given in front of Congress under oath.
While all eyes on the SC today, Congress is in session. Before they leave tomorrow for their next vacation they are ready to pass a transportation bill for two year extension . It will include the student loan interest rate extension.
What it will not include: nothing about Keystone pipeline. They took that section out because Obama would veto the bill. They also reduced by half the time for EPA review for highway projects.
But the GOP controlled house did not provide any new funding source beyond the gas tax to fund these projects. And the gas tax does not cover all the costs.
So in the end the Tea party/GOP talks lots about reducing the deficit, but when the rubber hits the road, it is the same old" do nothing party of NO ."
Quoth just another garden-variety gun nut.
History seems to have taught us that the solution to hate is not more guns.
Texas T,
[One day the Terry family may get a useful explanation as to what happened and why we won't do it again]
That was caused by the “War on Drugs” so when will the families of over 4000 Americans that were killed during the “War on WMD’s” get their explanation.
Anna Molly - yes Pat Tillman's family deserved the same truth. He is a hero for giving up his illustrious career to fight for our country. Funny how in that case the investigation did proceed uninhibited and the brass that attempted to cover it up got demoted.
Is it wrong to expect the same from this administration?
Well said Louis! I know many of them can't face the fact that a black man is smarter and better at being President than the people they have come up with of late.
I'm a gun-nut?! Ok, whatever makes you sleep better at night. Clueless.
This should be a fascinating day for liberals:
1) Eric Holder will finally get his well-earned Contempt of Congress citation
2) Mandate provision of Obamacare (possibly more) declared unconstitutional.
3) Liberals will set a new record for "playing the race card" in a single day.
Expect a "run" on drug stores by libbies going for Kaopectate and Lomotil ! LOL !!
Feisty Redhead is actually David Axelrod. Its been confirmed. Sometimes he even uses the screen name of Bev in Chicago.
Here is how today will work:
SCOTUS will decide on Obamacare. If they knock it down, there will be a positive effect on the stock market and business. If they maintain it you'll see a drag and drop on the stock market and businesses. If it's intact businesses will realize that it's only going to get worse and they will do what they need to survive, just watch.
Holder contempt vote- It's a justice issue, not a political one to me. I don't care about parties, just the truth. Issa's letter to the President said it well- If you didn't know anything about it the use of executive privilidge doesn't apply. If you did know about it and were involved, then it's a much bigger problem that you've repeatedly denied in the public. That's where it gets political. My take is that I don't want taxpayer money spent on an illegal international gun smuggling program that clearly was poorly run (let a kingpin go on his "word", didn't track the guns, etc.) and covered up (tried to attack the legal businesses doing what the BATFE and DOJ asked them to do).
Hey Job1, nothing to see here today.
Put your helmet on and go out and play. Don't forget your sunscreen.
today. we will know if we are still a Constitutional Republic, our founding fathers were correct in making three equal branches of government, always on to keep in check a mob mentality; the commence clause was never intended to be the stick for control of the citizens, it was expanded during the last depression, now we will see if there is a limit to its power.
White Collar Auto
Bev -I feel the pain and agony for the death of agent Brian Terry
That is pretty rich Bev, considering last week you were calling his family racists.
No Stiff Collar,
I called them Teabaggers and useful tools for FOX NOISE's KKLannity and the NRA.
Though I realize it is not easy to differentiate between racist and Teabaggers; however, this time I am not quilty as charged.
"Feisty sleep in the halls of MSNBC"
The useful tools are the kool-aid drinkers that follow King Barack.
Repeal whatever is left from Obamacare
OBAMACARE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney, let's see those tax returns. What are you afraid of and what are you hiding?
OBAMA IN 2012.
LouisJ...Good grief...how many times does it need to be said. If I disagree with a policy of the President's I am NOT AUTOMATICALLY A RACIST!!!! Why did Republicans go against President Clinton's proposed Healthcare overhaul? You're once again telling me that all opposition to President Obama is due to race. Are there people out there opposed to the President strictly because of race? Of course...just as there are people opposed to Romney strictly due to his religion. But I believe that is a minority of the opposition to each.
As for the healthcare ruling...who knows what's going to happen. I've seen lots of people trying to read the tea leaves. Ginsburg looked happy the other day...Scalia has used up his share of dissents and would surely want to give the dissent here. I saw someone (sorry can't remember who) published a study that says the percentage of positive vs negative facial expressions is the best indicator and that based on that it would be upheld. One thing is for sure...it's gonna be a crazy day one way or another.
Side note: To those complaining about Feisty getting the first comment. I've posted first before when I've timed it right. If you don't like it, simply ignore her post or refute it. Or if you wanna be first, get on the sight earlier and work the refresh button. :-)
John #'s -- Take a cold shower, it might help with your obsessive thoughts about Feisty.
Meaning me, of course.
Well then, Goldy, EXACTLY where is the EVIDENCE that would support this witchhunt?
Where are the witnesses?
Where is there even one document?
Every good cover-up has a leaked document or two. WHERE ARE THEY?
What one single fact would support a subpoena that requires the Justice Department to break the law by turning over documents that cannot legally be turned over? Documents containing, among other things, the names of ATF informers.
Smart thinking, Congressman Issa. No wonder they put you in charge of investigations.
I'm waiting, Goldy, for you to produce some facts that would justify this inquisition.
But I'm not holding my breath.
Click "like" if you think Obama-care is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Strike it down and lets move on, I'm sick of hearing about it. Let each State handle this.
One other note on the Holder vote- IF as apears to be the case, it becomes a partyline vote then we all know that the politicians are far beyond representing us, they only care about themselves and their power. Yesterday it was over 20 democrats in line with the contempt vote, last night the news said that the pressure by their party made it down to about 12. The Black Caucus is promoting a walkout during the vote. All political posturing that doesn't do a damn thing for the US and it's people. If the guy lied to Congress as the head of the DOJ, he should loose his job and go to jail.
If Cal Ripkin is tried and threatened with jail about lying to an "important" Congressional committee about sticking steroids into his own body, why is it unconsionable to do the same with the head of the DOJ when it comes to international smuggling, the misappropriation of taxdollars, lying to Congress, supressing evidence, and obstructing justice??
Feisty, just keep in mind that Justice Elana Blart should have recused herself on this decision since she was directly involved in the crafting of Obamacare. You should fling mud where it needs flinging, not just where you thing it should go..
JoeNY--
Easy there...talking about my childhood hero Cal Ripken Jr. there!!! :-)
One of the greatest and cleanest players from an era where so many players chose the steroids path.
John-2006106
Back to work Feisty, another First Read article is about to be published. MSNBC's motto "We spin the news so you don't have to"
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FOX NOISE deceives you believe!!!!!
Not one thread about the FIRST ATTORNEY GENERAL to be held in contempt; isn't that just lovely ?.....going to be a BAD DAY at the WHITE HOUSE....Holder is an embarassment to the legal profession, and he should take out the Kenyan in charge with the rest of the trash......
Beverly in Chicago
If you mention Brain Terry's family one more time I'm gonna scream.
Hey, I feel their pain. But, some how I detect ardent racism on the Terry family's part.
Sorry Bev, you can run but you can't hide. That is pretty sad.
Kinda feel bad for the people who are truly awaiting the rulings on the first 2 cases that will be announced before the Healthcare announcement. Almost the entire country is gonna be thinking..."blah blah blah, get on with it" while those decisions are being read.
It's amazing that politics today has resorted to convincing people who have no healthcare that they don't actually want it and that they don't want others to have it either.
Frank Grimes:
Here's another side note: When some right-winger collapses an entire thread started by Feisty Redhead, all of the terribly profound and cogent right wing responses are also hidden. How dare you deprive the American People of the wisdom of Bill Fairfax and Joe HAHAHA by collapsing Feisty's threads? Shame on you!
LOL...good point Houston. The people who collapse the post are the worst. There are very few reasons to collapse a post...and it has to be really, really blatant for me to vote to do it.
Uh oh...it's after 10 am. To quote Chainsaw from the movie "Summer School":
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...tension breaker...had to be done!
First Read:
Yeah, all those great low-wage jobs selling stuff made in China that used to be made in America before Romney and the other pioneers of "off-shoring" figured out there was big money to be made shipping jobs overseas.
Here we go...
The decision is in...
Mandate Gone'!!!!!!!
Yipeeeeeee!!
Staples and The Sports Authority are stores at the mall; President Obama saved a whole freakin' American automoblile manufacturing industry, for good sake, and his administration is helping develop renewable energy technology at a record clip.
I want a Chevy Volt! Imagine owning a car you hardly need to buy gas to run!
Roll out the blame game moonbats!
Your leader is a BIG LOSER!
So, for the record, here we have a so called “Constitutional” lawyer and his ilk who spent 18 months shoving an unconstitutional bill down everyone’s throat. Nice job folks with the thinking a community organizing lawyer from Chicago had what it takes to be a real leader.
Now imagine where we’d be if that time were spent on JOBS, IMMIGRATION, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SOCIAL SECURITY FIX, REAL HEALTHCARE (you know where tort reform and cross state competition among ins. providers, and no deals with big pharma are involved), BALANCING A BUDGET, ETC.
Obama has been an absolute, unmitigated disaster, a total failed experiment. Socialism doesn’t work folks, never has never will. You dolts on the government take had best get ready to turn off Oprah / Jerry Springer, get off the couch and get ready to get your lazy asses back to work.
The gravy “O” train is coming to an end!!
The ignoring of the Constitution is coming to an end!!
The ignoring of laws that some have been sworn to uphold is coming to an end!!
I’ll take a successful businessman with integrity all day long over a failed ACORN training community organizer please.
ROMNEY – 2012 (The Re-Igniting of American Pride)
HRC is been UPHELD in it's entirety!
WHOOHOOO!
Poor Raaab - the premature ejaculation thingy acting up again this morning! lol
Mandate is Upheld, Constitutional
Once this thing is passed who knows what else might be made mandatory within the scope of our 'freedoms'- scary times are these!
This is weird...CNN says mandate struck down. Yahoo says upheld. Kinda an important headline to get right!
TexasT --
Anna Molly - yes Pat Tillman's family deserved the same truth. He is a hero for giving up his illustrious career to fight for our country. Funny how in that case the investigation did proceed uninhibited and the brass that attempted to cover it up got demoted.
I don't think it went down exactly "uninhibited."
You might benefit by reading this --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman
Gotta go. The Supremes just upheld ACA, 5-4, with Roberts joining the 4 liberals. Basis of opinion -- Mandate upheld as a tax, not as regulation under Commerce Clause. Some business about Medicaid limits, but otherwise in entirety.
@ Albany --
Looks like we were right.
Mandate is Upheld using tax code not Commerce clause
YAHOO, the Mandate upheld, the entire Affordable Care Act upheld!!!!!!
"Morale failure", Willard--what will your spin be today? Wasted time, Willard?
Looks like we will just have to elect a new President to get rid of what a large majority does not want!
Mitt Romney 2012 -- more than ever!
Now we will win the rest, go ahead run your mouths and spew your garbage now
CNN just issued a correction. Talk about an OOPS moment! LOL!
Yes we can, and yes we did!
Rob,
More than ever you will need 60 votes in the Senate to repeal this law – a Republican President won’t solve that problem.
Just one thing: Since those of you who throw the term "liberal" around have no clue what a liberal actually thinks, perhaps it's time for you to stop using it. I am not a liberal, actually, but I at least am willing to let the liberals speak for themselves. Can you do that?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/supreme-court-health-care-decision_n_1585131.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/06/28/supreme-court-upholds-affordable-care-act/
Now the interesting thing is that it seems like the ruling didn't even touch the commerce clause. (Correction: They said by a 5-4 vote that it violates the commerce clause but is constitutional as a tax).
Now of course, the political part of this is it is being upheld as a tax. That was something that the Dems went to great lengths to avoid in coming up with the bill. That's why it was called a penalty. Does anyone remember the political reason for this? I honestly don't, it's been so freaking long ago. Did it have to do with the pledge of not raising taxes on those making under $250k? (I can go and google it I suppose but hoping someone here can answer me). :-)
Dennis after a resounding Romney win in November and republicans pick up 6 or 8 senate seats you will see plenty of democrats jumping ship on this law. Look around a dozen democrats won't even show up for obama's convention.
This is just the beginning. It may feel like an Obama win for today. But this just pushed Romney and Republicans up not down.
Big news today is Obama's New TAX!
Well I'm glad that's over it is quite a relieve. Could those who were against the Healtcare law stop with the Obamcare rants until after October. It is constitutional deal with and vote appropriately its all you can do. You are no longer able to say its unconstitutional, all of you who spoke of respecting the court's decision over the last week, I would love to see you do just that.
I am honestly really excited today looking forward to November.
A GREAT WIN today for the American People and President Obama!!!!!
My My! WCA - Joe in Albany - I guess the "liberal" heads won't be exploding after all. But my guess is the little far righties on this site will be in shock!
Actually, I am surprised - and pleased - did not think the Supreme Court Justices would do their jobs.
I guess Mitt will be tongue-tied since he made his great pronouncement earlier this week that it's defeat would mean Obama's first 3 1/2 years a failure. Looks like that's just not going to happen. It will be interesting to see how Mitt spins this - and my guess is he's absolutely spinning right now!
Rob in Mass - with the hatred of Obama sooooo strong with the conservatives, why isn't Mitt at least a two digit lead over him by now? The resounding win in November - don't hold your breath!
No one is avoiding the Democratic convention. It will be a great event - as usual!
Obama/Biden 2012
Watch unemployment go up employers will cut their staff to meet the cost of Obama care.
I just hope that the conservatives who have been saying all week that we needed to accept Citizens United and the Arizona immigration decision and just move on are saying the same thing now.
@ Grimey -- Sometimes there are arguments you just don't want to make. But it's not totally unusual for a court to decide a case on a different ground than argued and reach the same result. It happened to me yesterday, in fact. I'll admit you feel a little foolish when you tell your client, "Well, we won, but not because of anything I said."
On the other hand, a win is still a win.
Dear me, you sound almost gleeful at the prospect of people being unemployed. Maybe multibillionaires could just learn to do with a little less, instead.
On second thought ...
Just_the_Facts - you were saying????
Anna Molly - what kind of law do you practice?
Here's a good, quick summary of the ACA decision by the AP --
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-supreme-court-upholds-key-pillar-of-obamas-health-care-reform/article4376140/
LoL The wrong kind, apparently.
Sour Grapes over the 5 to 4 ruling allenjames? The Supreme Court affirmed Obama care.
Congratulations to the left-leaning posters here on your victory. I suppose you deserve the day to enjoy it, so I will be as non-partisan as I can be, at least with this one post. (How gracious of me, no?)
I was commuting when the decision was announced so I had some time to reflect on it before posting here. Here are my initial thoughts:
With the ruling on SB 1070, after reading the opinions of the Justices I found myself agreeing with their logic. With this decision, at least as far as the mandate is concerned, not so much. While I will have to read the entire decision to before the Courts thinking is clear to me, I presently can't understand how you can be taxed for not puchasing something.
Anyway, the political junkie in me is curious to see how this moves the polls. Will people come to accept the ACA now that the Court has endorsed it? Will the Presidential candidates' poll numbers move up or down? What will be the overall affect of this decision on the Presidential race? All questions that will be answered in due course.
White Collar Auto
Beverly in Chicago
If you mention Brain Terry's family one more time I'm gonna scream.
Hey, I feel their pain. But, some how I detect ardent racism on the Terry family's part.
Sorry Bev, you can run but you can't hide. That is pretty sad.
See,, now that's what I mean about FOX VIEWERS have LOW IQs. You have proven my point how diffucult it must be for you baggers to read beyond the lines. The ardent racism is coming from the t-baggers using the Terry family as tools for their racist viewpoints.
When people generally are aware of a problem, it can be said to have entered the public consciousness. When people get on their hind legs and holler, the problem has not only entered the public consciousness -- it has also become a part of the public conscience. At that point, things in our democracy begin to hum.
Hubert H. Humphrey
Democracy is in some ways a lot like an Engine. As anybody that has worked on an Engine will tell you it takes constant tinkering with to keep it running right. All the while that you are tinkering with it you are constantly thinking about how to improve it and discarding things that are superfluous.
So no Willard we haven’t wasted the last 31/2 years just as we haven’t wasted the last 200 years Tinkering with this Engine that we call Democracy. You tinker with a thing till you get it to run. When it starts running rough you tinker with it till it smooth’s out. When time comes for an overhaul then you bring it up to snuff with all the latest gewgaws and gadgets. It is a constant process with no absolutes. If you knew anything about the American People you would know this.
Today we find out whether some of the Mechanisms that we have come up with to make our Engine run are going to be allowed by the Rules or not. That’s all. The Tinkering will continue and I hope it never stops.
Because that’s evidence that Our Democracy is Banging on all cylinders and all’s it needs is a little Tinkering to get it to smooth back out.
It was never about the Affordable Care Act. It was always about "Obamacare".
In the last three and a half years and tens of thousands of comments posted here, few if any of us ever actually read even half of the ACA, let alone the entire thing, so we were pretty ill-equipped to debate its individual merits or faults. But then, that was never what we wanted to debate anyway, was it? No, what we've been debating for three and a half years is the perceived success or failure of President Barack Obama, using our own pre-conceived notions about what this bill contained as our ammunition. Conservatives tossed grenades about non-existent things like "death panels" and "government takeover", while many of us liberals - myself included - were timid about bringing up the parts of the bill we weren't thrilled with ourselves, lest we risk having our President appear anything less than perfect. We missed an opportunity to work together as citizens of the UNITED States of America to solve an enormous problem that affects all of us in favor of wasting three and a half years assigning blame for its failure without ever stopping to notice its successes - all for the end goal of assigning failure or success solely to President Obama. To borrow from a phrase Joe Biden used the other day, if we're not part of the solution, then we're each at the very heart of the problem. So in that sense, whatever the Supreme Court says today, we've all already lost.
Then again, perhaps we've all already won - because healthcare reform is such an enormous problem, there is no magic bullet - or in this case, no magic scalpel or miracle drug - that will fix it overnight. By its very nature - a bill meant to benefit ALL Americans - it was destined from the beginning to risk making NO ONE 100% happy. The current healthcare situation in this country is a cancer that will take decades to fix and even then will never be a one-size-fits-all cure. Other administrations have tried on a limited scale and for the most part have failed. Knowing the risk involved, President Obama was willing to face it anyway. He recognized the massive extent of the problem and knew we had to at least try to start to contain it. Whether the ACA is upheld or struck down today - either in its entirety or in pieces - does nothing to change the fact that this President cared enough to possibly risk a second term by making the effort anyway, knowing full well the opposition he himself - not the bill itself - was facing in making the attempt.
To paraphrase my own opening statement, it was never even about "Obamacare". It was about the fact that President Obama Cares.
And nothing the Supreme Court says - or any of us say - today is ever going to change that.
JoAnne-- Well said.
When all is said and done it was President Obama that addressed the healthcare crisis. The fact that he had the guts to do something about it is what's important.
IR and JoAnne, excellent first thoughts this morning. Can't add anything to either one.
Obama/Biden 2012!
Well, at least we'll know in an hour! Pontificating right now is pointless.
JoAnne,
Thank you for your well thought out post. My sentiments exactly.
I voted for Obama because he said he would reform heathcare , he did, and whatever the final ruling on this law is today, I am glad the law was passed.
Crank it up liberals.... get those "ego defense mechanisms" in place. Pour out a massive volume of words, try to sound scholarly, prioritize your excuses in order of deemed magnitude, warm up the race card and get ready to SPIN,SPIN,SPIN like a disco inferno !
Obamacare is a massive over-reach of government. The individual mandate is unprecedented. A massive, expensive federal bureaucracy is needed to administer it and the bill does NOTHING TO LOWER COSTS.... which would make health care more affordable to everyone.
The law is a turd and should therefore be appropriately flushed ! Pull the lever, Supreme Court ..... and pull it now !
JoAnne - nice defeat speech! Kudos!
I think it's only fair to point out that we live in a Republic not a Democracy. Democracy is simply a dictatorship by the majority. Democracy is what led to California outlawing same sex marriages.
IR & JoAnne - wonderful to read voices of reason on this often raucous board.
JoAnne,
That was a nice story, hope you feel better now. After that tingle in your leg subsides I can assure you that Obama does not "care" about you. In fact, I am tired of being demonized by this president. Another politician promises you the world, must be nice to be given what you have not earned.
Well It has been upheld. Now lets get together and Tinker with it and make it better for all. As My Main Lady JoAnne said on the other thread It's a good day to be an American. Now lets move it forward and solve some of our other problems. Oh and thank you to JoAnne. Once again you say it so much better than I ever could.
IR -
As always, we think and say it together and the total always exceeds the sum of its parts.
sirie - Thanks for the kudos - it would have been a nice defeat speech, but as a victory speech, I'm not complaining.
Wake Up Now - I do feel better now, thanks for your concern. And speaking of concern, maybe we could all get together for a change and find some for our neighbors out in Colorado - conservative and liberal alike - who are watching their homes and businesses and their incredibly beautiful scenery disappear in such horrifying fashion?
Hang tough, Colorado.....
JoAnne & IR well said - both of you.
jim and sirie - you were saying....
Obama/Biden 2012
IR- It's a good day for America and you are quite right that some tinkering will be needed. Let's get busy tuning it up. It would be nice if it could be done on a bipartisan basis. May politics be set aside for the health of this country, literally.
Just 3 things to say after reading Katherine Eban’s report on F&F in Fortune Magazine.
1: Arizona + NRA + 2nd Amendment = SNAFU
2: Darrel Issa is a witch hunting, felonious, lying piece of @!$%# who along with the NRA is in contempt of any and every ethical standard known.
3: Want to lay the blame somewhere for all the deaths … start with the 2nd Amendment Hawks in the NRA and the Republican Party who will do everything in their power to maintain your rights via prosecutorial roadblocks to be on food stamps, yet plunk down more than $300,000 for 476 firearms in six months. Issa and the NRA drove the getaway car and could give two @!$%#s about a dead US agent … that poor sucker was just another tool in the ‘bring down the Obama Administration toolbox via the now age old conspiracy theory of Obama taking your guns away ’. You do all remember the run on bullets in 2008? Come on GOPers, show us all just one law signed by the President in the last 4 years that has restricted your gun-toting rights.
On food stamps you say? Must be a gunrunning libtard!
90% of the red team on this board are just a bunch of RWCircleJerkNJs who willing let their masters starve them from the truth while feeding them troughs full of fastfood lies! Fat and stupid HarleyChicBobRaabs aint-y’all? Gee I wonder why …
Excellent thoughts Ideo!
I see that damn socialist medicine got you healed in record time! ☺
I said the same thing last week, since when do these chicken-hawks give two @!$%#s about one dead body?
How many did they kill over the past decade in Iraq & Afghanistan again..?
Wow - Flying pig sure is flying off the handle again.
Time for your meds - quick before the Supremes crush Obama and his "care"
Flying Pig is correct
Obama isn't restricting gun rights. Just ask the Mexican Drug Lords
The Mexican Drug Lords love Obama's gun policy - They get cheep assault rifles at discounted prices.
Obama - The Mexican Drug Lords best Friend
Right you are WorthlessOne ... it is my med time and I along with my euro-cousins will take our 80% cheaper pills and put our feet up and watch you die 2 years sooner than we will ... the view is just great.
ideology spoils the view
Just 3 things to say after reading Katherine Eban report on F&F in Fortune Magazine.
1: Arizona + NRA + 2nd Amendment = SNAFU
2: Darrel Issa is a witch hunting, felonious, lying piece of @!$%# who along with the NRA is in contempt of any and every ethical standard known.
3: Want to lay the blame somewhere for all the deaths
Thank you
Darrel Issa & republiCONs have been on this witch hunt ever since the corrupt, unconvicted, ex -criminal got the gavel.
Personally, I am astonished that anyone on either side of the aisle would put faith is this corrupt, unconvicted, ex -criminal, Darrel Issa.
Now that evidence proves Issa wrong, will he rescind his political partisan witch hunt?
Fortune reporter on AC360: Fast and Furious gun walking evidence "misconstrued, incorrect"
Fortune magazine
~snip~
Fortune magazine reporter Katherine Eban reveals details of her “Fast and Furious” investigation that finds gun walking “proof” unreliable.
Eban says, “After six months of investigation, what became clear to me is that the things that Congress was holding up as centerpieces of proof that guns had been walked were, in fact, misconstrued, incorrect, resulted from other motives, other reasons, that there were alternate explanations and that really, this was a case of cherry picking, you know, small phrases, sentences, without any of the context really that you need in order to understand what actually happened in Phoenix Group Seven.”
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/28/fortune-reporter-on-ac360-fast-and-furious-gun-walking-evidence-misconstrued-incorrect/
ideology -
I didn't get a chance to tell you yesterday how glad I am that you seem to have made it through your health scare there with flying colors. I'm guessing that your heart is big enough that it can take a few little dings here and there. And those 80% cheaper pills seem to be doing a great job at maintaining your wit and sense of humor - both of which seem to be in short supply sometimes on this side of the border. Don't forget to pay that phone bill now! :)
It seems that several Dems are jumping sides over the scandal, distancing themselves from Holder... Bev, they must think differently than you do.
Ideology......Homerun!
sirie, those 5 democrats who may vote to keep their NRA rating should be as ashamed as the GOPers in the House; Issa and his crowd are the ones who should be held in Contempt of Democracy for failing to actually investigate to find the truth.
just about to say the same as Jody ... come on guys show us some prowess doing the backstroke. Issa royally screwed up and you know it.
Hah! Hah! the "Outsourcer and Chief", the Perfect Name for Mitt Romney.
Mitt "Tear Down That Wall", as my Hero Ronald Reagan would say, and show us what you're Hiding in those Swiss Bank Accounts, and in your off-shore, Cayman Island, phony, shell companies. We the American public know it's Ill-gained Loot, taken when you Destroyed Millions and Million of Working and Middleclass jobs! And now you only pay a 155 tax rate.
That's why everybody needs to Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012, to stop Mitt Romney from Destroying the Midlle-Class.
Will it be five, or will it be more ? Holder deserves what he will get.
Ideo - "@sirie .. come on, you know those 4 or 5 dems are completely beholden to the NRA"
They are politicians, they are beholden to votes, and know that it is time to distance themselves...
that's a 15% tax rate I meant to say on my post #3.10, but you get the idea.
Romney's a phony! He knows it. You know it, and Now your Republican Momma knows it.
Romney's hoping he can sneak and slide into the Whit House, but that ain't going to happen, 'cause us Freedom Loving Americans are going to Shine our "Spot-Light of Truth" Lamp, on this poser and clown.
That's why I'm Encouraging all my Republican friends, Conservatives, Ron Paul supporters, and Undecided Independent voters, to Vote a straight Democratic ticket, come this November 2012.
They are politicians, they are beholden to votes, and know that it is time to distance themselves...
or considering their districts they are beholden and know it is time to cling.
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!!
Oh you Libbys crack me up. If you want to blame someone for the debacle you need to look at the morons that rammed this through without any real thought. You know, the ones that had to pass it so we know what's in it. LOL
If you agree with that logic, then you might as well admit yourself to the psych ward for eval.
But then again, Fisty is a big supporter of voter fraud, so who knows what to expect from such a twisted mind.
RedSoxRule = RedSuxRove
It took a year to pass! "Rammed this through without any real thought"? You must be joking!
I bet Pelosi wished she read it before she signed it - You know, so she knew what was in it.
Ha HA ha HA
What a wonderful day for Justice !
Really hemorrhoid? I see you, like most libbys, have a problem with facts. You keep up the good work and don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Or is it the opinion that was formed by someone else and spoon fed to you so you could repeat it? LOL
Uh...last I checked, the President signs bills into law and not the Speaker of the House.
Remember..."I'm just a bill!"
working: misquoting as usual....but guess that is all you've got.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”
"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"
Yeah, Thats much better - Ha HA HA ha
When asked if she read it - she said "NO"
sirie
It seems that several Dems are jumping sides over the scandal, distancing themselves from Holder... Bev, they must think differently
Actually, they think of the money the NRA CONTRBUTES TO THEM.
There's little question that Republicans will get the votes they need, not only from their own majority but from Democrats aligned with the National Rifle Association — which has said it's [ keeping score].
http://washingtonexaminer.com/boehner-house-will-go-ahead-with-contempt-vote/article/feed/2006975
I would like a resolution drafted by the people to hold the Republicans members in Congress with contempt of our Citizens, and our President of the United States.
Repulicans and Democrats - and you'll get my signature!
Would sign that if the President himself is on that, I sure do hold him in contempt also, along with Dems and Repubs as well!
Blowjob1, it was the dems that rammed this through without reading it. And it was your messiah that put it all in motion with his back room deals and bribes for votes.
We dont need a resolution - Obama just needs to Declare it
Wouldn't be the first thing he's decreed.
What you would like then is a resolution to hold half the country in contempt of itself.
In this world of I hate you, you hate me politics., the supreme court is preparing to generate their share. No matter what the decision is, it sucks that we are where we are!
Decision Day was in March 2010... everything else is just whining.
I'll give "The Supremes" credit for this...
It's 9 AM on the day of the decision and nobody outside of that building has a damn clue what the final vote is.
That is pretty remarkable, eh Noid?
In Washington DC of all places.
I noticed the no leaks , too.
It is driving the pundits nuts.... filling time with endless speculations.
Any chance Robert's ego persuades him to vote to uphold? Could be possible that he doesn't want to go down in history that his court did this?
OK, maybe I'm just grasping at straws as the sand slips away. He probably won't care.
yellowdog,
This is indeed robert's big day.
I am interested in how he will vote on the Medicaid part of the law. It will speak to the 21 states who brought that part of the lawsuit . Can the Federal government make rules about the money they will send to the states or not?
Who would have thought.
The ACA mandate is constitutional. Chief justice Roberts saved it. Entire thing is ok. Just as I sorta predicted, Roberts didn’t want to go down in history with a stain like this so it is upheld. It stays in place.
Watching the beautiful Samantha Guthrie explain it to me! :}
Yellowdog -
I do believe that's Savannah Guthrie, not Samantha - soon to be replacing Ann Curry on the Today Show? I pretty much stopped watching the morning shows a couple years ago, but I always liked Ann and wish her well. Think Savannah will do a pretty good job too, though. Maybe some day they'll replace Matt Lauer with Richard Engel and we can BOTH have some early morning eye candy?
White Collar Auto
Looks like there are lots of kooky connie heads exploding instead. I guess WCA will have to be content with the House Republicons going after the Attorney General for an ATF "gun walking" policy that never existed and that did NOT lead to the death of the border agent as the Fortune article yesterday explained. Face it: Conservatives care nothing about the border agent. They were just waving the bloody shirt to whip up their base in yet another frenzy of hate.
My prediction - Supreme Court declares the individual mandate unconstitutional, thus making the whole thing unacceptable.
This was a waste of time for the country, it should have never been rushed through! Reform from beginning, call it a tax like it should have been from the get go!
See #4.2 above...it took a whole year to pass..."rushed through", my arse!
So, we can say any adult who doesn't want health care is not only a fool, but is pretty darn stupid.
sirie: Rushed through? Every president since Truman has been trying to get healthcare reform....most recently Clinton tried it.
It was discussed over a year before passing.
You failed again.
Then why the comment from Pelosi? Or is your memory that short???
The Corrupt backroom kickbacks were rushed thru!
Nothing like last minute Arm Twisting and bribes - maybe thats why it got 0 votes from the other party.
that whole healthcare debate was a bitter partisan fiasco. Unlike the bi-partisan effort against holder that will happen later today.
Mitt Romney wins Gilded Foot in Mouth Award. Romney called the Affordable Care Act a "moral failure" yesterday. That would make RomneyCare, which was signed into law by Mr. Etch-a-Sketch, also a "moral failure" especially because Mitt Romney wrote an op ed stating his Massachusetts plan should be the guide for the Federal Government.
Darryl Issa, John Boehner win the NRA Puppet Jump Award. Today, Speaker Boehner, Darryl Issa plan a House vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt.....for something. They have no proof and they refuse to call witnesses who would prove that Issa is the new Joe McCarthy, on an NRA conspiracy theory mission which is nothing but a witch hunt to smear AG Holder and President Obama.
The Fortune Magazine article published yesterday is a must read for all; therein, lies the truth. Thank goodness there are still investigative journalists searching for it because Issa has no interest in truth.
SCOTUS Watch. Today, the Supreme Court will rule on the Affordable Care Act. As Lawrence O'Donnell said, there will be outrage from one side or the other.
Sad, where is the outrage from Americans that 45,000 people die every year because they cannot afford health insurance. 3 Iowans die every day because they cannot afford health insurance. The GOP was outraged that President Obama and democrats passed legislation to help more of those who cannot afford health insurance, who fall between the cracks of making too much money to qualify for aid but not enough to buy insurance. Why were they not outraged that so many die? Why were they not outraged that insurance companies cancel policies when people become gravely ill?
Jody, Iowa
Mitt Romney wins Gilded Foot in Mouth Award
Darryl Issa, John Boehner win the NRA Puppet Jump Award
SCOTUS Watch. Today, the Supreme Court will rule on the Affordable Care Act. As Lawrence O'Donnell said, there will be outrage from one side or the other
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Great wrap up Jody,
This is why the RepubliCans are such loathsome creatures. Just heard Scotus redefined mandate as tax.
We need to vote Obama
So we don't get activist Supremes.
Obama/Biden 2012
4more for 44
Here's my prediction: No matter which way this goes, someone will scream about judicial activism.
I don't have to scream about it... I've documented & proven it through-out this week...
To:Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Feisty, both sides have documented & proven their points. The supreme court has always operated in a way that some are Leberal judges, some are republicans and that is the way that they operate. Have you forgotten that one of them helped or assited in the writing of ACA.
Either way, I will promiss that I will not gloat if ACA or part of it is declare Unconstitutional. Only if you LIBS behave in a civil way.
Proof from Feisty? Must have missed that... usually all i see from her is name calling!
Obama - The mexican drug lords best friend.
June 27, 2012
This tight one is starting to open up a little bit more. So, my current Projection: (Currently the states that will continue to play the biggest in November are Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, and Florida and Wisconsin. For now these states are remaining in the toss up status. However, if the election were held today, Obama would win the general.
The key months for this race are going to be September and October. And as far as the debates, Romney most likely will have a problem in this area, along with his lack of availability to the press/media.
For now, the new projected election out come totals are:
Projected Winner Obama 293
Projected Loser Romney 244
spin it how you like... the socialist is gone.
you might even have to work for a living.
JamesInSeattle
you might even have to work for a living.
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Thats great - "work for a living" - Well, there is a first for everything.
Maybe he can get someone else to write another book for him.
Romney will win by a land slide in November working people are fed up with Obama and his promises.
joe: And Americans believe Romney and his promises....NOT!
Just the working people that might leave some out.
It won't be the presence of a President Romney that will get businesses hiring again. It will because of the absence of Obama.
joe: Most working people will vote for President Obama....it is the corporate welfare people, the wealthy who love their welfare of tax loopholes and off-shore accounts, and don't have to worry about mortgages, healthcare, jobs....those will vote for Romneyl....oh and any average American who believe the GOP lies....but those are few.
Dragon...........and you still believe Obama? It is time someone else takes a run at this job....Obama has proved himself .............NOT!
It will be a vote against bama. He has lost the white working class.
lol
welfare ain't career... no matter how much you take
dragon: Most working people will vote for obama? Well that should be a short list!
SCOTUS gets free government healthcare.....so nothing they decide today will impact them...or Congress....or the President.
And majority of them don't give a rat's behind about average Americans.
that's not there job.
you are responsible for you.
Where I work, we received an email this week notifying us that a fellow worker and his family received word that their house had burnt to the ground along with their cats while they were out of town. A collection effort was mobilized and the family received thousands of dollars for them to get back on their feet. That is how society should work, not the government forcing everyone to hand over their money at the point of a gun.
road: "government forcing everyone to hand over their money at the point of a gun".....a bit dramatic don't you think?
I don't know where you live, but no one has ever forced me to hand over my money at the point of a gun.
But there is always the underlining fear that if you don't hand over the money the boogeymen (IRS) can and will get you.
Dragon,
If I don't buy insurance under ObamaCare, with the IRS being the enforcer, and I refuse to buy insurance after a dozen notices from the IRS, what do you supposed will happen? First, I will have a letter showing me the penalty for non-compliance. If I don't pay, I will get a letter to appear in court. If I don't show up, there will be a warrant out for my arrest. The sheriff will show up at my door. If I refuse to go with them, they will haul me in by force. That is pretty close to the point of a gun. I spent seven years in China. You need to do the same to get some perspective on what the government can do when it gets too much power over the people.
Bye Bye bama care, bye bye bama, bye bye biden.
The clock is about to strike 10:15 and obama is about to turn into a ROTTEN PUMPKIN!
Whats the over-under on how many times Obama has to change his panties this morning?
Thats the best I heard yet! what a hoot!
Im going house and DOgs with the over...LMAO
cry me a river...
the new Obama theme song
strike it down and remove the clown
We are going to see why Ole barry the 'constitutional lawyer' through affirmative action has hundreds of lawyers hiding all his grades and records... Mister Transparency personified...
What a stupid worthless comment from an idiot.
If the Supreme Court throws out the law, then we'll be forced to return to the best healthcare system in the world. It's not perfect but there's a reason why Canadians are coming to the US for healthcare..
By the best healthcare system in the world, you mean the same healthcare system ranked 37th?
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Just a note on the effects of Health Care Mandate being ruled unconstitutional. This might have a big effect on the economy as businesses will now understand partly what the future might hold. The economy might now start adjusting more positively and the spin will begin.
This is the biggest load of crap ever. Shady backroom deals, unrealistic budgeting, stealing 550 billion from medicare to fund this, pelosi said it was a job creator law, and to read it after we passed it. Oh yeah and let's take over the student loan program real quick. Your democrats hard at work.
We need to pass this thing to see what's in it. NP
lollllllllllll
I see this blog lets all sorts of INSULTING photos of President Obama to be used as avatars, but I have been trying for days to use an OBAMA/2012 photo as my avatar, but it never goes through.
People like you, "trico77," using an insulting photo like thats crys racism, but I know, you're not a racist, just a jackass.
OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!
It's all about our LIBERTY..We are either under a new government dictatorship takeover or we are a country of Liberty and freedom...
There will be real HCR in this nation until a bunch of middle and upper class whites lose their heavily subsidized healthcare and tax preferred treatment of a 12,000 a year employer benefit....
We should immediately stop all government run healthcare since most of us only get to pay for it an dnot use it...end medicare, medicaid and tricare now to make it fair to the rest of us not competing with our own government for services...