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DUBUQUE, Iowa -- Staying on the offensive against Mitt Romney for a second day on Wednesday, Vice President Joe Biden said that the nominee's attempts to explain his record of aiding companies at investment firm Bain Capital amounted to a "cruel joke."
Referencing the Romney campaign's efforts to distinguish between "offshoring" jobs and "outsourcing" them domestically, Biden mocked the differentiation as a heartless and irrelevant one to those whose job was lost at the hands of a company like Bain.
"If you're looking for work, that's a pretty cruel joke," he said. "I can picture one guy standing next to another guy in the unemployment line and saying, 'Hey John, did you get offshored or outsourced?'"
During a campaign stop in Iowa, Vice President Joe Biden continued his attacks on Mitt Romney's record at Bain Capital, saying the presumptive Republican nominee's effort to distinguish between "outsourcing" and "offshoring" jobs is a "cruel joke" for workers who lost jobs.
The gag won the desired effect of guffaws from the crowd of over 400 at a picturesque riverfront event in Dubuque.
In a lengthy address, the vice president echoed his attacks on the GOP nominee from a similar speech in Waterloo yesterday, poking fun at the former CEO's "Swiss bank account" and caricaturing Romney's global reach at Bain.
"You got to give him credit. He created a hell of a lot of jobs in Singapore, China, India," Biden said. "The problem is the guys in my old neighborhood, they don't live in Singapore, they don't live in China."
His speech relied heavily on his own biography here in a part of the state where local Democrats joke he might as well have been born and raised. He conceded at one point that his own blue-collar roots are sometimes overblown even by his own boss.
"Barack makes me sound like I climbed out of a coal mine in Scranton with a lunch bucket," he said to laughter. "No one in my family worked in a factory."
Despite the light-hearted delivery of some of his jabs at Romney, Biden also grimly described the woes of those who remain jobless as the economy chugs out of a devastating downturn.
Offering a mix of positive news about the economy and sympathy for Americans who are still struggling, one of his family anecdotes struck a pessimistic note.
" My grandpa used to say - he's from Scranton - he'd say "Joey, when the guy in Dumore, the next town over, when the guy in Dunmore's outta work it's an economic slowdown. When your brother-in-law's out of work, it's a recession. When you're out of work, it's a depression.'"
"It's a depression for millions and millions of Americans," Biden continued. "It's a depression."
The vice president will return to Washington this afternoon after another stop in Clinton, IA.
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Five minutes without a comment? That can't be right! LOL!
Just my $0.02 here...but I don't think Biden makes his points nearly as well as the President when it comes to going after Bain. Now, part of that might be that for the most part, there is very little coverage in most of the media when it comes to VP Biden. Will be interesting to see if that keeps up the closer we get to the election.
The Bain attacks are a loser for Obama. Notice all the Dem's distancing themselves.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-campaign-does-damage-control-after-dems-question-anti-bain-strategy/
They keep beating this dead horse, cuz they don't have anything else.
This is around the 10th FR article with a headline of "____— Attacks Romney on Bain"
MSNBC is trying to carry Obama's water, but they are screaming in an echo chamber.
The fact that so many people remain unemployed and/or struggling to make ends meet is a direct result of a bunch of liars calling themselves Tea Party/GOP Congressmen.
Many of these people were elected under the promise that they would not raise taxes and would create jobs.
So far, after a couple of failed years of them refusing to keep their promise to create jobs, they not only have done nothing to create jobs, they have gone out of their way to insure that jobs aren't created by the president or any democrat just to say things aren't getting any better under president Obama. They want/need this as they try to spin it that it is all the presidents fault. They relish in the fact that people are unemployed so they can use it against the president even though it its them who are to blame.
From day one of the president taking office the GOP/TP folks have become obstructionists toward the president and the American people in their self serving attempt to make the president a one term president. This has been the most despicable display of political activism in the history of our nation. Less than 1 in 5 people in this country see Congress as doing a good job.
And now they want us to elect another of their ilk to run our country? These people are so underhanded and with such a complete lack of pride that they can't see what a disgrace they are. Pathetic!
But the American public won't forget what they haven't done for us. I know that the president will make the NitMitt look ridiculous when they square off in the debates. But I hope that the DNC will start reminding people with their ads what Congress, the GOP and Tea Party has done to undermine the efforts of the president to make this country a better place for all of us to live.
'Hey John, did you get offshored or outsourced?'
Well, in November, we can ask Mitten's the same question: Did you lose the election, or did the voters offshore you.
My best advice for Willard is to go home, retire, have a nice life, and STFU!!!
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They keep beating this dead horse,
WCA - Do you mean like Sarah Jessica Parker? LOL
Biden getting lonely or something? If I were Obama, I would have Biden locked in a closet somewhere... very risky having him open his mouth.
Grimey: "Just my $0.02 here...but I don't think Biden makes his points nearly as well as the President when it comes to going after Bain"
I'd say it depends on the audience, Grimey. For all of the inevitable jokes people like to make about him, I've heard Joe speak in person twice, and he just has a real knack for making people feel like he understands them and their problems and really cares about them. He's much better at being "just a regular joe" (pun fully intended) than either his boss or of course "regular guy" Romney, who thinks the secret is in wearing blue jeans and complimenting the local trees. I think people underestimate Biden at their peril - but that's just MY $.02 worth.
Hey, speaking of two cents, how did you get to be first on here? Don't tell me FR is now hiring Republicans, too! :)
So let's see...when was the last time Biden stood in an unemployment line? His "joke" might have had more impact except it came from a career politician that has never been out of work a day in his life thanks to the people who pay his salary with their taxes.
WCA - only in your mind are the Democrats distancing themselves from Obama. And, no one even wants to be on the ticket with Romney - oh maybe he can get Sarah! She'd love to go down with the ship - again!
Obama/Biden 2012
Grimey, Feisty left the spot open just for you! BTW, just saw your clarification on First Thoughts. Guess I forgot to get my sense of humor out his morning; it's been pretty nasty here lately. Still, did you have to stir the whack-a-do pot? I noticed several took the bait and it didn't take long. LOL
Mitt Romney's having a $50,000 per plate fundraising dinner tonight; he upped Obama's by 10 grand.
P.S. VP Biden has made the Bain point quite well. As you said, you probably aren't seeing the coverage. Biden really nailed Romney yesterday in Iowa.
Holy-Moly JoAnne - I think you are on to something. See what you started Grimey Grimes?
Yep ... from day one, many Americans have fought against (in Obama's words) the "fundamental transformation" of America.
They fought against Obamacare which delivered nothing and wasted billions along with wasting 3 1/2 years .... a program that 60% of the states are suing over ... a program 70% of doctors say will have a negative effect on health care .... a program the overwhelming majority of Americans are against ..... in a time when America first and still now wanted .... JOBS!
They fought against the stimulus that stimulated nothing other than government debt... they fought against spending that has given us the 3 biggest deficits in American history and the first credit downgrade in history.
They fought against Dodd Frank that did nothing to correct the reasons for the economic recession, a program that has now resulted in the weakening and credit downgrade of our largest banks ... a program that has doomed a future economic collapse if not fixed.
They fought against the war on energy, the life blood of our economy.
They fought ...
How many do you need ... for Christ's sake ... we have an inept, clueless, radical ideologue with nothing but writing 2 books about himself and community organizing as experience?
Moresameolameo from nomoresameo
Sssshhh JoAnne!
The little critters are already riled up enough already today! lol
Don't give them any more fuel for their conspiracy theory bon-fire!
Joe stole my thunder. I've been sayin for months that Staples (a company Mitt likes to highlight) was just another big box retailer with low paying jobs that sells goods mostly made in China..Don't believe me ya'll stop in some time and take a look..You might want to focus on the paper goods section. About time the Democratic party listened to those of us in the trenches.
Stranger yet that NOT A SINGLE CONSERVATIVE will defend Mitt's record at Bain!
Stupid conservative: The Gubment is NOT a business and cannot be run like one!
If I were Obama, I would have Biden locked in a closet somewhere... very risky having him open his mouth.
Sirie - Let me give you and your Repube friends some advise.
'Don't take Joe litely'! He's one shrewd SOB!
Besides, The party that has run "Sarah Palin" and "Dan Quayle, really needs to STFU when it comes to VEEPS!
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Feisty -How are you today!
It seems like you're at the center of a conspiracy theory.
I'm sure MSNBC pays you alot of money to just sit here online and baby-sit these right-wing retards.... LOL
Do they have anymore openings?
Other then it being a tad steamy here today - doing well!
Thanks for asking!
I hadn't noticed... lol
JoAnne...
LOL...I was only first because Feisty allowed it. *adjusts tinfoil hat*
Bob, you have either been duped by the GOP or you are delusional.
It was the failure of the GOP/TP to come to a reasonable solution to a budget that sent our credit rating down for the first time in our history. Get your facts straight.
As far as fighting for the people, let's look at these facts.
The democrats and president Obama fought to save the jobs of tens of thousands of people connected with the auto industry. At the same time the GOP/TP fought against saving them. They would rather have let GM/Chrysler and every company supplying them go down the toilet. It is easy to see how wrong the GOP/TP were by seeing the remarkable turnaround of GM. The company is beginning to flourish. Had it been up to the GOP/TP it would never have happened.
The president and the democrats fought against Wall Street and won. Again the GOP/TP bitterly fought against Wall Street reform.
The president and the democrats fought for equal rughts for gays and won.
The democrats and the president have tried to promote equal pay for women while the GOP/TP snicker in the background as if this is some sort of joke.
The president and the democrats fought banks forclosing on homes and won while the GOP/TP continued sitting on their hands.
The president and the democrats fought for extended unemployment benefits for Americans across the country as the GOP/TP said it would cost to much. Costly? You betcha! But isn't it better to allow people to survive with some sort of dignity and hope for the future rather than to turn our backs on them because the GOP/TP lead congress thinks money is a far more precious commodity?
You and other supporters of the GOP/TP may think that corporations are people and they matter more than an individual but the democrats and the President feel otherwise and I stand with them.
Now let me see, Who was that Who put a moratorium on off shore drilling here,(Hmmmm?, Off Shore, nice phrase), costing Americans tens of thousands of jobs,while allowing the drilling rigs to be sent to Brazil,(outsourcing) and giving Brazil billions of dollars of Our money to set them up, where they will be used by PetroBras the Brazilian Oil company Who Mr. Obama's best Bud, George Soros, had invested heavilly in, to do the same type of drilling that was being done here, except its Brazillians who are drawing the paychecks,and getting the money for the oil, while the Americans who paid for setting it up, after having given those billions of dollars, will be the ones who still have to pay to get the oil! Hmmmmmmmm?Now, explain to me again how bad Mr. Romney was for making jobs and profits for Americans with private money?
Nomoresameo, terrific post! You, too, JoAnne!
On Memorial Day, two local republicans running for election handed out small American flags. You can guess where this is going but just in case, turns out they were Made in China and people noticed that little detail.
JD Still, that moratorium was temporary because of the BP Oil disaster or have you forgotten than gigantic mess. You do realize that the Keystone XL Pipeline is just a scenic route for Canada's oil sands to make its way to the Gulf, possibly contaminating our water and land, to be sold on the international market? No, never mind, that's beyond conservative talking point thinking.
Uncle Joe just needs to keep on hammering on Willard and Bain. It's working. However, some Democrats are becoming Nervous Nelly's.
Jody
The loss of those drilling rigs and the American jobs they supported were not temporary,( and just for fun, why don't You look up how much oil was released into the Gulf by that"terrible"disaster, as compared to how much is released into the gulf by Mother Nature through natural seepage each and every Year),and the pipeline? take a look at a map of existing pipelines that already run through that area,think about it , then, maybe We can talk.
Uh Job1 maybe because they took more campaign contributions from Bain than the Republicans..
I say we shut down Bain and arrest every single person that has ever worked there!
Them bastages are up to no good, I tell ya!!
And while we are at it, let's invoke an executive order that NO COMPANY can fire anyone until after the elections! We certainly don't want the US of A to look any worse than it already does!
Mitt Romney should be ashamed of himself making money from a slimeball company that would do such nasty things as making money for its clients. UN-IMAGINABLE!!
Had nothing to do with the biggest deficit spending in history, a president / party that literally don't have a plan (budget) ....
Are you an idiot, or do you say crazy crap just for fun?
Bullshyt. They fought to save the unions.
Why should the average wage earner with combined benefits of around $27 back then bailout guys with average benefits of $75 an hour?
Why did Obama screw the non-union workers?
Why did Obama ignore bankruptcy law and screw the secured debtors?
Any of that "fair"?
That's ignorant.
Why aren't you buys crying about American Airlines and saving the American airline industry?
They are in bankruptcy ... think AA is going down the toilet or will they go through a re-organization and come out stronger?
Btw-Chyrsler is owned by Italians now.
What company in the world can not flourish with $49.5 billion of tax payer money and gets another $14-$18 billion in future tax breaks?
GM being #1 ... yea considering the just mentioned cash, paying people $7,500 of tax payer money to buy their Volts, the tsunami that killed their competition last year .... counting all those Chevys being made by Chinese owned subsidiaries ... the GM plants / jobs moved to Canada and Mexico ....
You really have no clue do you?
VP Biden talks like a member of any family member from the central part of the country.
God Bless you Joe. Keep hitting Romney about his love for foreign workers.
As the election gets closer throw in the zingers about Romney loving Americans so much that he hired nannies from Europe.
GT ..
Perfect!!!!
J. D. Still, the Brazilian conspiracy theory (originated by Gelnn Beck) was disproved in Forbes Magazine (source: www. forbes.com/site/kenrapoza/2011/03/17/dispelling-the-petrobas-loan-myth-as-obma-heads-to-rio/) and by snopes (source: www. snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil,asp )
bob-1805084, the stimulus worked (source: factcheck.org.2010.09.did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/)
Matthew-2771918 - now there you go talking facts. How dare you??? J.D. thinks he can continue to post his lies and no one will call him on it. You just spoiled all of his fun!
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Damn, I'm sorry SeekingSanity! : (
Bob Great post and 100% accurate.
Matthew and Ms.Sanity,(sounds like a bad takeoff on an old episode of Gunsmoke):
Matthew, I have not noticed your posts on here before so I am not familiar with how You do Your research, but Ms. Sanity! I am disappointed. Where to begin? Let's start with "Snopes", truly amazing,the Mikkleson's,have somehow, someway, with no organization except themselves, no offices, no staff,no researchers, nothing! to back up their fact/debunking claims, and with their finance sources and backers,(along with their motives), completely unknown,and inspite of this, have become the know all and end all of internet accuracy, not since the Wizard of Oz himself, have I seen anyone, so totally and utterly unreliable,lacking even the most basic of credentials, being trumpeted as a knowledgeable source.Now, As to the Forbes article,if You research it a bit You will find that article was actually published due to pressure put on the magazine from the Obama White House,(by Robert Gibbs to be exact), about a previous article written about the Brazillian scheme, and even then the article pointed out the descrepancies were minor and the differences were a matter of interpretation. The Facts as I presented them remain, 2 billion dollars went from Us,(Our banks to be precise, but ultimately the American taxpayer), to Petrobras, through an agency of the United States Government, the Export -Import Bank, and to say because the Ex-Imp Bank did it and not Obama, Would be like me pointing out the military got Osama, and trying to claim Obama didn't have anything to do with that, it just doesn't work. George Soros did in fact invest heavily in Petrobras, and He did, as the article confirms, "profit big time", and drilling rigs from our shut down rigs, that cost us tens of thousands of jobs,and was ordered by Mr. Obama, did go to Brazil to make it all happen, those are the facts folks, just the facts.(and thanks for Your concern Missy, but don't worry, this hardly spoils my fun! ; )
Class warfare works. Hitler blamed the jews and it worked for him.
Three years, $5T new debt, 8-10% unemployment, 8 million given up on finding work, and now the administration says "It's a depression." Keep it up Joe!
Joe Gaff a minute Biden has no credibility what a joke.
J.D.Still - with respect to snopes, Poltifact (the Annenberg Public Policy Center) says "Do the Snopes.com articles reveal a political bias? We reviewed a sampling of their political offerings, including some on rumors about George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and we found them to be utterly poker-faced."
snopes has also been used by the AP, NPR, and qouted by Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) in reference to snopes (sic) settling the question of President Obama's eligiblity to be President.
Regarding the Brazilian oil conspiracy, the approval of the loan was done by President G. W. Bush's appointees on April 14, 2009 before any of President Obama's appointees joined the Bank. The Bank is self-sustaining and does not receive taxpayer dollars or approprated funds from Congress. Soros' hedge fund sold off it's 27 of it's 37 million shares before Petrobas rec'd the loan. (sources: snopes, ex-im bank, and factcheck.org)
As far as my research goes, I use sources such as snopes, factcheck, heritage.org, etc. as starters. I do not automatically assume that they are 100% correct. That said, when I do reference them as a source it's because I back checked their posted sources too.
Matthew
So,You are using Politifact of the same Annenberg Group of which Barack Obama and Bill Ayers,(the Terrorist Bill Ayers),worked for, and were in Charge of the Chicago Annenberg project together,You are using them because they to swear to the accuracy of snopes? Look, I do not care what other liberal groups use snopes to confirm whatever it is they want to confirm, I do not even care if Santa Claus uses them to confirm his naughty list, No Academic or research organization would accept either of those as credible sources.Now, in Reference to the Brazillian deal, You are deflecting,You know as well as I,this regime had from November to April to identify the low hanging fruit and figure out a plan to pick it, when, during the confusion of transition, with the old administration leaving and the new administration coming in everything is in a state of flux, and Obama's man Hochberg was already there, He did not just fall off the turnip truck the following week, and You also know I'm sure, how the Ex-Imp Bank works, they get their money,American's Money, from American Banks and pass it out from there, and as an agency of the United States, I am sure even if They were Bush appointees, directives from Their President would be honored,Whoever it was, and yes, Soros did sell off a good portion of his shares but as Forbes Magazine stated He did "Profit BigTime", but You know, it would be interesting to find out who he sold those shares to , now could it be, that it was just a hide the marble, shell game, to hide the profits from $500 million "marbles", so that no one would catch on when they were then used to make person or person's unknown a great deal of easy money, You know kinda like Hillary did with her questionable futures markets investments when she profitted, "Big Time",in one overnight transaction! and then she just couldn't recall anything about that transaction in over a hundred questions asked of her during her congressional testimony, (now a skeptic might say that it sounds like they learned to be more clever), Nah, couldn't be, Our President is much too honorable and honest to be involved in anything like that, even if Soros was one of Obama's biggest supporters............right?
J.D.Still,
No, the Annenberg Public Policy Center is not associated with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Please note that the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was established by Walter Annenberg (a Republican whose widow supported McCain in 2008) and was considered to be mainstream in its educational efforts.
Annenberg Public Policy Center is associated with the University of Pennsylvania. While the Center receives funding from the Annenberg Foundation, they are are a separate organization. In fact the Chicago Annenberg Challenge finished its work before factcheck.org came into existence (2003).
Sure, Soros did profit as did every investor in Petrobras. But ya know, thinking logically, if this had been a set-up he wouldn't have pre-sold 2/3rds of all the hedge fund stock before the loan was given and the stock value went up even more.
Please feel free to do your own research, post your sources and argue your own point. All you are doing here is questioning my research and espousing your unsupported conspiracy theories.
Yeah, Bidens a genius? Our is he the damn dumbest VP in US history. Check out You Tube on Bidens gaffes. HILLARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You people sticking up for Biden or worse yet Obama is as stupid as a Jew sticking up for Hitler. The both destroyed or are trying to destroy the country they are in charge of; both will and did happily throw anyone or any country under the bus to further their political agenda; Hitler thought Germans were the chosen ones and ignored how they treated other races, and Obama has instructed Holder to ignore any Black on White or any other race crime and just focus on any race crimes against Blacks.
Anybody but Obama\Biden in November 1012!
Really amazes me how vital a part of the business world venture capital is and people want to demonize it. Those darn capitalists, how dare they invest in a business and it not succeed.
Excuse me mister vice president, did you know that the unemployment rate has been above 8% for 41 consecutive months. In the previous 60 years, the jobless topped 8% in a total of only 39 months. Are ya'll going for a record that no administration will ever break? Obama-Biden 2012 ~ because 8% unemployment and a AA credit rating isn't really that bad.
The real Joke is that this country can elect Biden. Problem is the joke is on us. Is your shovel rusty there Joe?
V-P Joe Biden has 8 million more miles of truth, goodness and generosity than last Vice-President in the Bush Administration.
He authored the Violence Against Women act for crying out loud.
Make that 888 million more miles.
I thought we were talking about Biden.
Violence Against Women Act? What Act is that?
The Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA) is a United States federal law (Title IV, sec. 40001-40703 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, H.R. 3355, signed as Pub.L. 103-322 by President Bill Clinton on September 13, 1994. The Act provided $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposed automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allowed civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave unprosecuted. The Act also established the Office on Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice.
VAWA was drafted by the office of Senator Joseph Biden(D-DE), with support from a broad coalition of advocacy groups. The Act passed through Congress with bipartisan support in 1994, clearing the House by a vote of
235–195 and the Senate by a vote of 61–38, although the following year House Republicans attempted to cut the Act's funding. In the 2000 Supreme Court case United States v. Morrison, a sharply divided Court struck down the VAWA provision allowing women the right to sue their attackers in federal court. By a 5–4 majority, the Court's conservative wing overturned the provision as an intrusion on states' rights.
VAWA was reauthorized by Congress in 2000, and again in December 2005.[The Act's 2012 renewal was fiercely opposed by conservative Republicans, who objected to extending the Act's protections to same-sex couples and to provisions allowing battered illegal immigrants to
claim temporary visas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act
JoAnne, you ought to cite Wiki-Pedia if you are going to copy Wiki-Pedia
Info on VAWA below.
Note that recently, GOP/Koch voted to EXCLUDE Native American women and other minority groups from receiving legal protections against violence.
From Wikipedia:
"VAWA was drafted by the office of Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE), with support from a broad coalition of advocacy groups. The Act passed through Congress with bipartisan support in 1994, clearing the House by a vote of 235–195 and the Senate by a vote of 61–38, although the following year House Republicans attempted to cut the Act's funding.["
Ah ... don't worry about it thetotas.
Backhouse always says crazy, irrational stuff when he sits down after forgetting to put the nut bra on.
Mr. Bra-obsessed: See two posts above on the Violence Against Women Act.
Passed way back in 1994. Where've you been?
Today, GOP is trying to go backwards, as with everything else. GOP/Koch wants to change it and take protections away from women minorities.
NOW YOU CAN PUT YOUR BLINDFOLD BACK ON.
Oops, there it is folks!.....The uninformed are alive and well!
WCA -
I was busy editing out their annoying underlines and footnote numbers before I put the link in at the end, so I can understand how you missed it originally, but as a regular poster here, you should know by now that I try to provide links to my sources as much as if not more than anyone else on here. I apologize for my keyboard skills being slow, but that's about it.
Note that the folks who are saying they do not know anything about the Violence Against Women Act of 1994, are giving themselves points.
While they insulted the Dems on here, we gave them the information.
That is a metaphor for the whole GOP/Koch party of today.
Vaccuous and false.
Zero, zero, zero.
Why am I not surprised. The Violence Against Women Act was passed in 1994....
the following year House Republicans attempted to cut the Act's funding. Have you ever heard of Republicans standing up to protect women? Me neither.
JoAnne,
Thanks for the link, that refreshed my memory.
thetotas -
You're welcome. Common courtesy lives on!
Thanks to V-P Joe Biden, previously the youngest and one of the longest-serving Senators in the Senate:
For authoring the Violence Against Women Act and seeing it passed in 1994.
Amy,
Recently GOP voted a change to VAWA.
They voted to take legal protections away from Native American women and other minorities, in cases of violence committed against them.
Gosh Mr. Backhouse, considering all your vagina diaries / posts and comments all the time, I thought I was giving you a compliment by suggesting you at least have a set of nuts.
My bad.
But you originally specifically mentioned Cheney saying ....
What specifically does Cheney have to do with the Violence Against Women Act?
Forget what you were talking about ... just an irrational jump to suit your anger and bigotry like some old saggy sack?
Btw - There weren't laws against violence to women before Joey B. came along?
Who Knew?
Sorry JoAnne, there has been a lot of non-attributed cut n pastes here lately.
Guess it's my pet peeve.
My apologies.
The right wingers don't know about the Violence Against Women Act because they don't care about violence against women. Remember? They don't really care much about women except when it comes to controlling them!
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LOL:
ROTFLOL at right-wing ignorance!!!!!
He, specifically, like you RWNJ's posting on here does not know about, understand, nor realize this is a law; you know - pick and choose what you want to believe and adhere to.
Just another example of Republican-tea-right wing double standards;
"Do as I say, not as I do"
WCA -
No harm, no foul - and it's a pet peeve of mine, too!
Three years, $5T new debt, 8-10% unemployment, 8 million given up on finding work, and now the administration says "It's a depression." Keep it up Joe!
Did MSNBC post a story about the politicians jumping ship on the contempt charge on Eric Holder? I know it is off topic, however I'm looking for some comments on that matter and don't see a related story.
Here's one. It should trouble any person of any political leanings that the NRA has put out a warning that they will record the votes of House members and use it for/against them. Nothing like bribery out in the open. At least such lobbyists used to be subtle, now they just threaten publically. Shame on the NRA and that goes for any representative, R or D, who allows themselves to be blackmailed. Shame on Americans for allowing themselves to be hood winked by the NRA whose only goal is to sell more guns for the manufacturers who pull the NRA's puppet strings.
The NRA proved that Issa's witch hunt is nothing but that. Attorney General Eric Holder has more integrity in his little finger than the entire GOPTP House including Issa have combined. Issa may think this a clever move but it will backfire on republicans; Boehner is being made a fool in the process because he lacks the courage to demand that ALL involved testify going back to the Bush administration. Issa doesn't want the truth but he will prove to everyone, once and for all time, what a total political hack and jerk he is.
Jody, Have you read the article in Fortune magazine about the so-called Fast and Furious "scandal?"
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?section=magazines_fortune&&&
Thanks Amy for the link. I was also wondering what happened to the money that the "cartel" bought the firearms with, I see no mention of that. Not surprised...
Thank you VP Biden, just keep pointing out the spin from Mitt Romney, his staff, and spokespeople.
Ed Gillespie really messed up the other day trying to explain out-sourcing and off-shoring. Those of us who think for ourselves know the difference, Ed; but regardless which term the right uses, if the net result is jobs taken from US workers and sent overseas, then either term can be applied. Out-sourcing can describe subcontracting within the USA or it can describe what Romney did in Massachusetts--ship the phone bank to India. In an effort to deflect from Romney's real out-sourcing and off-shoring, Gillespie said President Obama outsourced his tele-marketing efforts to Omaha so Obama does it, too. Not the same thing, not even close--Omaha is still part of the continental US.
HI Jody, if you and the other dems want to talk about how great Billy C. was with his surplus, let us also throw his name in the hat about outsourcing. If I remember correctly it was this mental GENIUS who signed the bill that made it OK to send work overseas; NAFTA, is it coming back to you.
Thursday is upon us. We will know what it brings, and to tell you what is going to happen would be a big lie by anyone.
Unfortunately it will be hard for any of us Left or right not to gloat, no matter the outcome.
I just hope no one looses their cool, in particular our President.
As far as Biden, what ever he says does not carry too much weight.
Can we expect an executive order tomorrow either silencing the Supreme Court somehow or putting Obamacare into effect anyways? I wouldn't be surprised.
Love to hear crazy Joe Biden speak. You just know he is going to insert his foot in his mouth all the way to the ankle. He is like watching a drunk race car driver. You know the crash is coming, you just don't know when.
Joe Biden would do graet on SNL. No script needed, just let him talk. LOL
Yup Joseph ... kinda like watching Willard insert his ass in his mouth and say I'll have one of those thingies with a hole in it.
LOL "whats this called, a dough what?"..- Willard Romney
Joseph E. Parent - and yet Joe Biden is respect in Washington - even by the Republicans. Imagine that. His foreign policy credentials are very good and he's actually a very good man. I know that is hard for you to understand since you have the old perverts (Republicans) representing you but it's really great to have someone people respect.
Obama/Biden 2012
Let's face it, you guys don't love Willard. However, he is the only hand you have to play. So, you are stuck with the flip flopping, lying, "outsourcer-in-chief."
You mean other than the sticky hand they have in their laps every time they think they get one up on Feisty?
We do not have to love him. Loving him is what you do to Obama and you are blind to him. That's whats wrong with you libs. No common sense. Just love for a failed man.
JesusWasaLiberalJew,
That's Great! You owe me a monitor.
Biden is ok in my book because he has a way of getting straight to the point. GO JOE.
Too bad Joe didn't mention Mitt's stock in a company in China that he just sold.
Biden was, is, and continues to be a sad joke. As one who has been close to manufacturing employment for many years, I have seen US companies go out of business due to the unreasonable greed of unions. I've seen foreign competition with its low labor costs decimate US companies with unyielding, non-comprising unions. I've seen non-union US companies employing immigrants (both legal and illegal) do the same. No wonder many US companies have gone to foreign sourcing and manufacturing as a defensive move. Others have done it out of pure greed. Are business leaders any greedier than union leaders?
San Tan, Unions do NOT cause companies to go out of business or bankrupt at higher rates than non-union companies.
(source: Timothy Dunne and David MacPherson, "Unionism and Gross Employment Flows,"
Southern Economic Journal, Vol. 60, No. 3 (January 1994), pp. 727-738;
Richard B. Freeman and Morris M. Kleiner, "Do Unions Make Enterprises
Insolvent?" Industrial and Labor Relations Review, Vol. 52, No. 4 (July
1999), pp. 510-527 )
In 2010, Senate Democrats introduced legislation to get rid of foreign outsourcing tax breaks and to assist in returnig jobs to the US. 45 Republicans prevented the bill from overcoming a filibuster. The Creating American Jobs and End Offshoring Act tried to help small manufacturers and included a payroll tax exemption for firms that move jobs to US, but the bill also contains provisions to prevent businesses from deferring US taxes on the income they make from foreign subsidiaries.
now lets see- reagan was able to "bust" a union 30+ years ago. Union membership is down to what 9% of the work force yet they wrecked the US economy? Big Powerful business brought to its knees by union thugs?
Please
Look, from an intellectual viewpoint unions are needed as a counterweight. But unions can and do do damage to work place work ethics.
Why cant we follow the jap or german model and recognize that labor is a component of business and both need to work together, rather then against each other, for the improvement of business. Tired of the uaw getting medical for its employees but management gets itself a better product. Or workers are offered 401k's that blow up and ecexutives get "golden parachutes." Enough- its the U.S. its us says pogo in the charlie brown comic
Even Adam Smith (in the Weath of Nations) specifies that labor is necessary for business to profit. For a business to say that it is the end-all-and-be-all and should be considered superior to labor is BS.
Unions do hurt productivity, working for the Phone company if a problem happend Union rules forbid another person from doing even the simplest job. Work would come to a halt until a qualified union person could be found to do the job, even if it just ment reattaching a wire. Union costs are added to the cost a company must charge to produce it's product. Companies overseas do not usually have this cost. Shareholders must be paid or they take their money elseware. Costly Government regulations must be met. Foreign companies, usually don't have this big of a problem. American workers demand higher wages, to support higher American lifestyles. Foreign workers have less of a need for has high wages.
I agree it would be great to have labor and owners work together, but each tends to look after only their needs and not the total picture. The same goes for elections, voters vote for people who will give them free stuff, and charge the other guy. So is it any wonder the People who produce want to vote Republican and the People who want the handouts vote for Democrats. The funny thing is people who thing people should be forced to give more to the government never do, even though it is as simple as writing a check out to the IRS. The law states you must pay your share, but you are free to pay more if you like.
Willard is the very thing that Americans don't like. The GOP'ers have elected actors twice and two CEO types in the last 30 years and they have performed poorly. The first actor flipped flopped so badly even Willard may not ever out do him. The second actor (Terminator guy) Showed Cliton up so bad that you guys have now forgiven him. Well the two CEO's, well since you don't care to talk about them anymore enuff said. Know you want a king size Rat. With all the qualities of the four and still no idea of what to do. Wait till those other wives start falling out the closet.
Go Obama/Biden!!! Obama is going to beath that communist worse than he beat McCain. Biden needs to keep laying it out and telling it like it is. There is nothing coming out of Mitt Romney's mealy two faced mouth worth listening to. Besides the guy can't decide what he believes, what he stands for and he sure isn't going to tell you what he will do if he were president.
Let's ask the questions: How many Teachers, Police Officers, Firemen, black americans, latinos, women, gay people, old people that need social security, medicare or families that have children that need medicare, students that need student loans or people who are unemployed that need unemployment insurance payments or people who need food stamps or welfare because they can't get jobs GOING TO VOTE FOR Mitt Romney? Ahh NONE!!! Who does that leave? It leaves the shrinking middle class and the rich. How many christain evangulist going to vote for Mr. Mormon Mitt Romeny? How many people who are middle class going to vote for Mitt Romney? Well only the ones who are too stupid to recognize that it is Republicans that have OBSTRUCTED THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY. I rest my case. Obama will stomp the Sht out of Romney in November. Just watch the debates and watch what happens in the polls after that.
YAWN.............................Joe Biden?..................YAWN.
Get a job Libtards/turds.
So why did the Democrats waist 2 years when they had total control of the Government and could have pass all the jobs, immigration, tax increase, medicare, Social, Security bills? The Republicans control 1/2, of 1/3 of the government and claim they are blocking everything. That would explain why the Budget is still sitting on Reid's Democraticly controled Senate desk, not to mention the 24 jobs billes the House passed. The Democrats in the senate do nothing and the Republican house gets the media blaim.
Obama want people on food stamps and welfare so that they are dependant on the Democrats, just as FDR did.
I wont be hiring you Jer you seem to be on some kind of drugs , always yawning .
OHHH and yes i need a good worker folks . You really need to be a Carpenter /have your own hand tools . Do not apply if your a person like jerro . I cannot use a stupid helper . Leave me a message if you need a job here in sunny central florida
Obstruction of any economic recovery has been politicized by the Democrats for the last two years of the Bush Administration and first two years of the Obama administration. They controlled the house the senate and never once voted for a budget. They voted for record breaking inreases. This folks is by design - the more people we run into the poor level of society the more handouts they can shove down your throats. If you can't see why the Obama - Polosi - Reed reign of economic terror has done to this country - you are in for more keeping these people in office. The last three years and the last two years of the Bush Administration ( a full control of House and Senate ) by Democrats who make legislative law and regulation has taken this country to its knees. You who believe this current administration is going to provide you freedom of choice, freedom of speech, any type of prosperity or adhere to the Constitution of United States you are certainly fools. Pull your collective heads out of the sand and realize - what freedoms and economic prosperity cannot come from more government, higher taxes and its handouts. This November will prove once again that the real America will rise, with a much higher moral compass than ever before. The Washington we know today will no longer exist. And the thugs of oppression and economic calamity will be relinquished to mere memories. This is one middle class American staking his claim back to the America we love. Romney will not only win in November - this election will pin the mainstream media back by its ears - because the people will have spoken very very loud and clear.
I think that it's best if President Stinky (-bo) and his lap dog Smokin' Joe stay on the Bain thing. It's been working well for them. Romney should mention something about Stinks record, as Stinky will stay away from it like a Democrat at the Democrat National convention, where the secret service is already "testing the waters" for the president. He's been battling that fat bottomed Moochie for too long, and he's ready for some "strange". As the first gay POTUS, they should bring David Brock along.
My God! Someone let biden outta the closet again. Next time lock the dam thing and throw away the key!
A lot is being said in the media about Mitt Romney not being "likable"
or that he doesn't "relate" well to people. We struggled to understand
why... he is after all… drop dead handsome, has a beautiful wife...
isn't that enough to ensure popularity for most Americans? So after
much research, we have come up with a Top Ten list to explain this
unlikability……
Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney
1. Successful, self-made businessman. (Dad didn't give him a
hand-out... he and Ann had to make it on their own)
2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been FAITHFUL to her.
3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
4. Can't speak in a fake southern black preacher voice when necessary.
5. Knows the real meaning of giving service to his fellow man and
quietly shows it in his everyday life.
6. Has pots of money (made it all himself) and since nobody else in
this country has any desire to have pots of money... we don't like
him!!!
7. Has a family of great boys... none of them are in drug rehab.
8. Doesn't smoke (even in secret), drink alcohol, or do drugs (not
even in college, where other people were NOT inhaling)
9. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God,
went to Church, didn't screw around, worked hard, and became a
SUCCESS! (We can't relate to such an anachronism!)
10. Oh yes... he's a MORMON. The religion that teaches its members to
be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable,
self-reliant, honest, upright and MORAL!
And one more point... pundits say because of his wealth, he can't
relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that's because he made that
money ALL BY HIMSELF... as opposed to marrying it (as in John Kerry)
or inheriting it from Dad (as in Jack, Robert & Ted Kennedy.) We
didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your own
money made you unrelatable to Americans.
Strange.
I was born and raised in Detroit-the son of an auto worker with 7 kids..Mitch was the son of a CEO (American Autos) and Mich state governor..George Romney. Mitch lived in an exclusive suburb (Palmer Park) of Detroit , sent to the best "prep" schools and colleges, and assisted throughout his business life by a myriad of influential connections..I saw where the Romney familly lived in Detroit-used to walk by their big brick mansion-they had nothing to do with the common folk-they were shielded from the struggles of making it from one day to the next...That said, I agree with you that Mitch is a decent man, bright , hard-working and respected by all who know him, including myself, but he is from a life different than the 90 % of us..I am wary, and weary, of another "Wall St patriot" being sent to DC in any capacity...This Texas Independent is voting, for the first time, for POTUS B. Obama.
Top ten reasons to dislike Mitt:
1, he's a republican
2, he's a flip-flopping liar
3, he dodged the draft for Viet Nam
4, Bain, Bain, Bain
5, he doesn't know a doughnut from a ding-dong
6, he thinks corporations are people, my friend
7, he was for romney care before he was against obamacare
8, his religion is a cult, and is not a true Christian religion
9, he loves the Ryan budget plan, which will give him and his ilk (the very rich) billions more dollars in tax cuts
10, He can't sing or dance!
Jenny, I actually like here reasons for voting for Mitt. Especially numbers, 1,4, 6, and 9. Number 10 is the most unimportant one. Number 2. sounds like Obama, Sorry I forgot Obama evolves, but doesn't change his mind. Question though, is that because he doen't have one?
Jay, Obama didn't come from a poor family, His grandmother was very wealthy, that is how he managed to attend the best colleges. He had access to money early on. I do not like all of his record while Gov. of Mass, but compairing the two, it is an easy choice for me to make, since I do not like just about everything Obama has done so far.
Military Members, Veterans, Military retirees; note that Romney PROMOTED THE DRAFT during the Viet Nam War, then skipped out to France for extraordinary lenth of time when church missionary tours were limited. When Romney came home, he sided with his dad that the whole Viet Nam War was a scam and that he was against the war.
Promoting the draft, while Americans were dieing, he skipped out, then says he wishes he could have participated. His whole life has been a lie.
Biden mocking anyone is hilarious! He has dethroned Dan Quayle for the title. The only one worse than him is senile Nancy Pelosi and she has that excuse. Biden has no excuse except being just plain dumb and flatulent.
Biden is definitely borderline insane. The guy has more than a few screws loose.
No, insanity is voting for the same tired old "trickle down" economics via the GOP. It hasn't worked, it won't work, yet too many republican voters keep beating their heads against that wall.......
I didn't know you could diagnose senility from a distance, or are you an out-sourced doctor?
Winger, you got it wrong, The problem is he has none that are tight. All are either missing or loose.
Well put Micheal... Well put!
The American public, little by little are getting S&T ( sick and tired)of the junk coming in from off-shore slave labor, especially the shoddy goods peddled by Walmart, and waking up to the fact that American corporations who stranded their American workers to reap more greedy profits overseas are really poorly disguised traitors of sorts. The GOP is dominated by Wall St and Mitt, personally a nice guy, is just another member of their exclusive millionaire club,,,---This Texas Independent for the very first time will vote for POTUS Barack Obama !
The banks and Wall Street have given more money to Obama then Romney. So who's really in their pocket. The banks love Obama, as he keep printing money, and they got thier bailouts. Secondly they got Dodd/Frank which really hurt the smaller and medium sized banks, not the large ones.
As for the Cheap good, don't blame Walmart, they just make them accessible to the public. It is the Public that makes/made the Choice to purchase cheaper goods that were make overseas. The sticker price is all the comsumer looks at. If the quality is less they figure they will buy two instead of one more expensive one. Remember back in the 70's when they had the "Union Label" commericals. It did little good because people didn't want to purchase $10 union labor dress shirts, instead of $4 made in Bangladesh shirts. American wages, thanks in part to unions, forced companies to go were they can be made cheaper. Back in the 80's Japan did it with cars, then in the 90's Korea did it to the Japanese. Soon China wil do it to the Koreans. If Alcada could build cheaper stuff the americans would buy it from them. It makes no differance who builds it cheaper the US comsumer will buy it.
You talk about the unemployment lines, but because of Bain, the lines are not as long, because they managed to keep a lot of companies going, that would have gone under without their help. Obama has not helped create jobs, he fights job creation every step of the way, by taxing and overregulating business so that they are afraid to hire. This not knowing what taxes will be month to month hurts employers that need to plan on what hiring a person will cost 1, 2, 5, years down the road.
The only reason Biden was selected to be VP was so that Obama wouldn't be the biggest A$$hole in the room.
Ron,
It didn't work.
If either the Dems or Repubs had any desire to stop outsourcing of jobs, etc., it would be stopped in 6 months. But both parties are bought and sold by the companies that do this. And worse, many of their constituents, again both parties' adherents think it is just fine to buy this imported stuff because it is cheaper and allegedly of higher quality.
The churches should take the lead in stopping this continuing raid on the middle class. The politicians won't ever.
This is what Obama and Biden have to run on? Attacking Romney for being part of a PRIVATE company?
What about Obama's "record" as President? Why isn't he running on that, pointing out all the wonderful things he's done? Or all the promises he's kept?
Oh, that's right, he can't.
Instead we have to have this race baiting and class warfare filth from the "history maker" that wasn't going to "have red or blue states, but a United States".
CherylLM==Good Job and I agree with you.