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Hispanics overwhelmingly approve of President Obama’s recently announced immigration policy and give him a 40-point lead over Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, according to results from a new NBC News-Wall Street Journal-Telemundo poll.
Obama’s job approval among Latinos has also seen a four-point boost, within the poll’s margin of error, since the immigration announcement.
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President Barack Obama waves at supporters after speaking at Obama Victory Fund concert in Miami, Fla.
But the president still faces a challenge in energizing Latinos to vote. Hispanics -- the largest-growing demographic group in the country that could also hold the key to Obama’s re-election bid -- are not as interested in this election, so far, as they were at the same point during the 2008 election.
NBC/WSJ/Telemundo poll toplines.
Popular immigration policy
Obama’s recent executive order halting the deportation of illegal immigrants younger than 30 and brought to the United States as children is popular with all voters but even more so among Latinos.
Sixty-eight percent of all Americans said they favored Obama’s order, and 29 percent opposed it. Among Hispanic or Latino adults, almost nine-in-10 favored the new policy.
The poll was conducted June 20-24 after the president’s immigration pronouncement.
Big Obama lead
Obama is ahead of Romney with Hispanic registered voters, 66 to 26 percent, adding six points to his margin over Romney among Latinos from last month’s NBC News-Wall Street Journal-Telemundo poll.
In 2008, Obama won the group, 67 to 31 percent, according to exit polls.
Nearly two-thirds – 65 percent – of Latinos approve of the job the president is doing, up four points since May. That’s much higher than the 47 percent approval Obama gets from all Americans surveyed in the poll.
Obama’s advantage among Hispanic voters could prove especially important in swing states like Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico, where Latinos make up a large – and growing – portion of the electorate – as well as Virginia, where it is also on the rise.
Hispanics prefer Obama, Democrats on the issues – not just immigration
Romney has argued Latinos are not monolithic, that they care about more than just immigration. It’s one reason he has focused largely on the economy in his overtures toward Hispanic voters.
But, fundamentally, Latinos agree with Obama and Democrats on issues, ranging from immigration to health care to the economy and taxes.
They do so by much greater margins than the public at large; they are more optimistic about the country’s direction and economic outlook; and they believe in an expanded role for government.
For example:
- 72 percent of Hispanics said the president inherited the economic situation; All respondents: 60 percent;
- 64 percent said government should do more to help; All respondents: 49 percent;
- 62 percent of Hispanics approve of Obama’s handling of the economy; All respondents: 42 percent;
- 62 percent said the economy is recovering; All respondents: 51 percent;
- 56 percent of Hispanics said last month’s jobs report, which showed just 69,000 jobs created, was a reason for optimism; All respondents: 43 percent;
- By 50-16 percent, Hispanics prefer Democrats on immigration; All respondents: Democrats 33-30 percent;
- By 48-20 percent, Hispanics said Obama’s push for health care was a good idea; All respondents: bad idea by 41-35 percent;
- By 46-16 percent, Hispanics preferred Democrats on taxes; All respondents: Republicans 34-32 percent.
- By 42-17 percent, Hispanics believe President Obama’s economic policies have helped not hurt; All respondents: 33-32 percent;
- 42 percent of Hispanics said the country is on the right track; All respondents: 31 percent;
- 30 percent of Latinos said the government was doing too many things; All respondents: 47 percent
"The advantage Democrats currently enjoy among Hispanics/Latinos can be measured of course by the 40-point edge on the presidential ballot by President Obama, but is also seen on the party issue handling sequence, where these respondents say Democrats would do a better job on every issue, even including such traditional Republican bulwarks as government spending, taxes, and terrorism,” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democrat Peter D. Hart.
Intensity gap: Not quite ¡Obama!
Despite Obama’s built-in advantages with Hispanics, he still faces warning signs among this key voting bloc, even after the immigration announcement. Hispanic voters are not quite as fired up and ready to go to the polls.
Despite jumps in approval for the president and an increased margin over Romney with Hispanics, Latinos indicate they are no more enthused about voting this fall than they were a month ago. Their interest in this election remains far below 2008 levels, and lags well behind other key groups this cycle.
To measure enthusiasm, the pollsters asked respondents to say how interested they are in this November’s contest, on a scale of one to 10. Adding up the 8s, 9s, and 10s gives a good measure of who the most likely voters will be this fall.
Two-thirds – 66 percent – of Latinos put themselves in this high-interest category. Last month, it was 68 percent. That’s much lower than the average of 80 percent in this poll for all adults.
It’s particularly problematic for Obama’s re-election chances, considering some of the highest-interest groups are ones likely to vote for Romney – Tea Party supporters (89 percent), McCain 2008 voters (88 percent), conservatives (84 percent), those 65 and older (83 percent), Republicans (83 percent), and whites (81 percent).
Several key Obama voting groups come in above 80 percent – post-grads (87 percent), urban voters (86 percent), college-educated women (84 percent), Democrats (83 percent), liberals (83 percent), Obama 2008 voters (83 percent), African Americans (81 percent).
But Hispanics and young voters, two key pieces of the puzzle, see a big drop off. Young voters are even lower than Latinos, at just 61 percent.
Consider that in July 2008, four-out-of-five Hispanics – 80 percent – were in the high-interest range. That rose to 100 percent by November, with 92 percent saying they were a 9 or 10.
In this poll, just 52 percent of Latinos said they were a 9 or 10, below the 68 percent of all respondents. In July 2008, 64 percent of Hispanics said they were 9s and 10s.
“The data also reminds us of the signal challenge to the president -- increasing interest, intensity and turn-out among Latinos,” McInturff said.
The pollsters asked another question to gauge enthusiasm. It asked directly how likely they were to vote and, in that category as well, Hispanics lagged behind the average of all adults – 76 percent of Latinos said they were “almost certain” to or “probably” would vote, far below the 93 percent that said so among all Americans.
Taking out those who said “probably,” the gulf is even wider – just 65 percent of Hispanics said they were “almost certain” to vote versus 88 percent of all respondents.
The one silver lining for Obama is the 57 percent of Hispanics said they were more enthusiastic about voting in this election than previous ones, higher than the 47 percent of all respondents who said so. But it doesn’t show up in the interest scale.
Translation: Hispanics like Obama and prefer him by wide margins to Romney, but, so far, they’re not energized – despite the immigration announcement.
But Hart cautioned that, even though the poll was conducted days after the immigration announcement, it’s likely too early to tell if it will resonate with the Latino community in the way Obama hopes.
“This is early,” Hart said. “Obviously, it’s a group that’s less likely to turn out, but now there’s a strong reason to turn out. They have a champion in their corner and an issue that they care about. We’re looking for an instantaneous chain reaction, and it’s too early to be expected.”
The poll has a margin of error of +/- 5.7 percent among all Latino respondents and 6.9 percent among Latino registered voters.
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Is today election day?
If so, that was one hell of a nap!
Hispanic leaders have already pledged to get out the vote on behalf of the President!
Willard is TOAST with this voting bloc & there is nothing he can do to change it!
So... spare us all the hand-wringing!
Feisty, the election is Tomorrow -
When the right wing SCOTUS has the chance to show that it is not really choosing Corporations over people.
Wow, they sure SHOWED MONTANANS yesterday - that they intend to punish state as well as federal elections with Citizens' United.
Like SCOTUS is for transparency and accountability, and taking good care of the American people?
Like human beings have health care issues?
Like all developing nations have had affordable, accessible health care for decades?
"Fired up and ready to go" may perhaps be an unfortunate choice of words here.
Unless you're talking about Mitt Romney's "self-deportation" plan.
In which case, that just about sums it up.
Feisty-If illegal aliens and welfare pimps are your "base" then I think it is you who should be hand wringing. Obama appeals to those looking for more government handouts but the rest of us hard working Americans, including many Latinos will elect a real leader this November.
Adios libs and good riddance!
Hey everyone. Look who posted first. You are such a joke. You must run errands around MSNBCommunism.
Keep clicking those ruby slippers of yours together... lol
What else does Feisty have to do besides put ointment on her bed sores and post on MSDNC.
"Ruby Slippers", is that all you got. You probably think Obama is the "Wizard", small man with a big microphone pretending to be something he isn't. Maybe he'll grant you your wish and give you a brain, then you can become a Republican.
*chuckles*
That was good. Well, she probably collects food stamps and welfare.
In your case... yes!
Doesn't take much...
They are gonna put up a good fight to retain their freebies.
Did you notice, munchkin, that you didn't mention "heart"? Or "nerve"?
Well, I'm a little worried about voter suppression. You know how republicans like to steal.
So, folks should be standing at the polls now?....Yelling insults like the TeaPeople to demonstrate how 'fired up' they are?....
I think not!......
Reasoned thinking does not require inflammatory language or actions!
Sorry to say this to the MSNBainC portion of MSNBC
Considering Romney's failures to produce real J-O-B-S for the economy and the hateful things Romney says about Hispanics, I can't think of any other reason Hispanics to not be fired up.
The key issue is not energy. It's voter suppression and getting people to the polls. Republicans are breaking the laws of the Constitution; The 14th &19th Amendment.
Be nice if Obama actually appealed to people who described themselves as Americans, but I guess foreigners are attracted to those they feel a kinship with. JOB1 -- Yes Republicans like to steal thats why the last 3 Speakers of the House in Massachusetts have all been convicted of taking bribes and kickbacks while in office. Oh wait, they were all Progressives and Democrats.
Hispanics can head to the bank, because this time Obama pledges immigration reform. I mean again. In the words of Obama, this is his last election and if elected he will have a lot more flexibility. Who wants to bet Obama will forget about Hispanics the day after the election, after all, he won't ever need them ever again.
Foreign and transnational $$Big Money is going into our elections.
And since SCOTUS ruled yesterday, that now includes all state elections.
That is not the fault of the President or this Administration. Or Democratic congressionals, who tried hard to pass DISCLOSURE BILLS.
GOP congress has TWICE voted against DISCLOSURE.
Blame GOP and right wing SCOTUS for foreign government & corporate & influences in our elections.
commie slayer@Hey everyone. Look who posted first. You are such a joke. You must run errands around MSNBCommunism.
Looks like Joe McCarthy has joined the conversation.....
Hispanics need jobs too ....
Obama has failed in that department .... "LOL"
If we're talking Hispanic Americans fine.
If we're talking illegal Hispanics screw them.
Why doesn't the President of the United States of America see the difference?
JOBSJOBSJOBS! said Boehner, in 2010.
Despite a pledge made on the President's Inauguration Day in January 2009 = to obstruct ALL President Obama's attempts to grow and revive our Economy in the middle of a Great Recession --
Despite GOP senators filibustering at 3 times the pace ever seen in American history.
Despite GOP blocking every jobs bill, including over a million in the American Jobs act.
4.3 million jobs have been created over the past 27 months, Manufacturing is back for the first time since the mid-nineties, companies are Insourcing, and Auto is back on top.
Despite ZeroZeroZeroZer help from GOP, our economy is stabilized and growing.
Unlike Europe where unemployment is as high as 25%.
No thanks to GOP/Koch that is still sabotaging the US economy and getting away with it.
And every Obama green job has cost the American tax payer $11 million dollars each .... "LOL"
That's really being fiscally responsible Obama .... "LOL"
COMPLETELY BASELESS, AND STUPIDLY FALSE COMMENT.
Green jobs are growing and expanding. The industry is doing very well.
Oil has peaked globally. Big Oil has to look to green energy for the future and they know it. Exxon has research centers in CA for biofuels, etc.
If you think green energy is not the big global industry of now going forward, nothing will help you.
You're right , green jobs are good ....
But not at the Obama cost of $11 million each , which is what it has cost the American tax payers so far ....
I don't know exactly what you think you mean by "fiscally responsible," but at least those people HAD jobs and were able to stay out of poverty and get good health care, and the money spent on the jobs, as you call it, was spent at least in part on building infrastructure and hiring contractors and such, and went elsewhere into the economy, providing more stimulation and supporting more jobs, not to mention leaving those companies with capital goods, like building and equipment.
In case you hadn't noticed, unemployment is DOWN since the stimulus was put into effect, and millions of jobs have been created in the PRIVATE sector.
Now, as for fiscal responsibility, why is it that I've never heard you criticize Rick Perry, for example, who took $20 billion or so of federal stimulus money, which was intended for job creation, but foolishly entrusted to the states, and used it to buy down Texas's debt. In other words, Perry transferred HIS debt right back to all of US and put it back on OUR credit card. And THEN he complained about the federal debt and claimed that the stimulus hadn't created any jobs.
Well, duh.
Now tell me, where is the fiscal responsibility in that? What do you suppose that Rick Perry learned from that exercise except to expect more handouts from the federal government?
And while we're at it, maybe you ought to check the viability of the thousands of jobs that Perry claims to have created in Texas, for which he also used taxpayer money and, in many cases, gave that money to HIS campaign donors, many of whom wasted it without actually producing any jobs or viable businesses.
Hundreds and hundreds of millions of Texas taxpayer dollars, for which Perry then covered by using federal stimulus money, for which YOU, bigbenalaska, and all the rest of us, are paying. And for which YOU, bigbenalaska, are blaming President Obama.
Cause and effect escaped you somewhere along the line, didn't it?
bulletstopper - Citizens United - the country lost. The fact that you're okay with our country being for sale to the highest bidder is just plain sick. Pretty much like you!
Obama/Biden 2012
I wonder how many of these unmotivated hispanics have posters and pictures of that child killer, Che Guevara? Just a thought.
Hey SeekingSanity -
Question. Why is it then that your buddy Obama is using a SuperPac? If he is so against it, then why? I thought he was going to raise a billion dollars this election? Turns out, the Dems have to cancel some events at their DNC due to fund raising shortfalls. Where is Ford, Gates and Hollywood when you need them?
How the hell do you get excited about somebody named Mitt for christ sake the mans a mental midget
chilled
Tell that to Fisty!
@ Sick -
Or SeekingSanity, or Bev, or Job1....do I need to go on?
Bev, what is so wrong to expect people to show a form of ID at the voting polls?
I know it is convenient to say that the poor can't afford to get an ID from the state, but many poor people have HDTV's, air conditioning, microwaves, cell phones etc...surely they need ID to cash their welfare checks....It should be a requirement to show ID when they check your name off of the registration forms at the polls. To call this "voter suppression" is disingenuous.
Yeah, It's hard to create jobs when you have democrats controlling the house and the senate...Romney as Governor is one example, and Obama's fight to correct the recession is another! Bev, for the first time you make sense! Democrat majority in both houses is a detriment to job creation!!!
Here is a percentage for you- 13% The percentage of the Hispanic population 25 and older with a bachelor's degree or higher.
Wow, I think that the information presented by MSNBC really reflects the education rate...
Read more: Hispanic Americans: Census Facts — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhmcensus1.html#ixzz1z1DATytv
Romney/ Rubio- game over Obama, pack your bags and go back to Chicago.
Romney/ Rubio- game over Obama,
Why Rubio?
So Obama, seeing his lead evaporate almost daily suddenly “evolves” his thinking that Gay Marriage should be legal and that illegal immigrants should not deported, and we’re supposed to think that he’s doing this simply on “principle?”
That’s sort of like believing that Feisty Redhead is simply a member of the general public and not a member of the MSNBC staff, whose job is post on the Newsvine to help give the appearance of support for Obama’s policies. Does anyone really believe someone other than an MSNBC staffer could have the First Post in all these political stories:
19 Jun – First Read – Romney Says Marco Rubio Being Thoroughly Vetted
19 Jun – First Read – Would Wealthy Really Pay Same Share of Taxes Under Romney
20 Jun – First Read – What Haunts Rob Portman
20 Jun - First Read – Obama Invokes Executive Privilege Over DOJ Documents
22 Jun – First Read – Obama’s Own Immigration Challenge
25 Jun – First Read – Both Sides Declare Victory in Courts
26 Jun – First Read – NBC/WSJ Poll Obama Romney Remain in Dead Heat
27 Jun - First Read – Obama Leads Big With Hispanics
So Feisty, do you come up with these posts on your own, or do you work with the reporter to develop your leftist rants.
It's time to shine the light of truth on you Fiesty, and expose you as a paid partisan political hack. You're certainly NOT the average "Viner" who's simply expressing their desire to comment on something in the news. But I suppose we'll soon hear from Sally or Tyler, or someone else on the MSNBC staff who will run to your defense. It's despicable that MSNBC has yielded the Newsvine system to paid political hacks, who try to help "spin" the news to support the Democratic Party and Obama.
Instead of the motto of the NY Times "All the news that's fit to print", MSNBC's motto should be "We spin the news to suit our needs"
NOBAMA 2012!
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She is the First Read Czar
I wonder how many of those obama Hispanics are legally eligible to vote. Oh, I forgot that is why the Demoncrats do not want voter I.D.
Does anyone really believe someone other than an MSNBC staffer could have the First Post in all these political stories:
John - Do you really think that NewsVine or MSNBC would actually pay somebody just to placate the RWNJ putz 's on there?
Besides, If she was payed, don't you think she would be a little less obvious....
And what you have just said...do you really think it is a reasoned argument? Do you really think that calling sarcastically belittling liberals by calling Obama "your hero" and then belittling Obama by calling him "the Great Divider" isn't lashing out?
bulletstopper - what a sad little life you lead - as evidenced by your very long and ignorant post!
Hispanics, remember four years ago,(the last time Mr. Obama expressed how much he cared for You),and what has he done for You since then? after promising You He would get right on Immigration reform, That's the last time that has been brought up, until now, when He needs You to vote for him again,in the meantime since then, more than a million Hispanics that were here when He made that promise to Them and You, have been deported, If You are Catholic, He has taken away Your religious freedoms, forcing Your Church to violate its own religious beliefs, after promising Them They wouldn't have to,and now, Mr Obama has made yet another promise to Your Youth that He will not deport Them and will get right on immigration reform if He is RE elected! Buena suerte.
Hey Lukewarm:
I think you have Obama and Romney confused. You see, Romney is the one appealing to greedy rich people, offering government handouts. Haven't you heard of the massive tax cuts that he plans on giving people who are doing just fine? Is that not a "government handout". It never ceases to amaze me how these people complain about the government giving food stamps to help feed hungry kids, and attempt to curtail them from a life of utter poverty, yet you happily, and willfully go along with giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. I don't know whether this is the saddest, or the funniest part, but these tax cuts will not apply to the vast majority of middle class voters in the republican party!! If that's not voting against your own economic intrests, I don't know what is.
Hey bigbenalaska, first your profile picture creeps me out, but more importantly, you said:
You are among the most misinformed people on this vine. It might just be me, but when you come on here and you post these little sprinkles of ignorance, without any substantial evidence to back it up, it really gets to me. FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE!!!!! Read this article, I'm expecting your hair brained response shortl
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/y.
genius -
factcheck.org is one of the most liberally biased sites around. Try something a little more bipartisan.
It is hard to get fired up about someone who panders to you over immigration. He goes from deporting more than any other President and telling Spanish language TV he must abide by existing law to offering a mild form of amnesty.
LOL....I am waiting for the Lefties to come out with the "racist" card since this article talks about Hispanics.
Can't back up their DNP talking points from their recent "required" talking points meeting(s) so, gotta go with the attacks.
Let's wait and see what the Liberals will say when SCOTUS announces the Mandated Universal Health Care Reform legislation (wait.....the Liberal changed the name) is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and when Mr. Blockbuster Holder is held for contempt to Congress.
Yep, as soon as SCOTUS announcement is made, Mr. Obama is going to issue another Executive Order saying the States can keep the $$$$ issued to them as a goodwill gesture.
"Obama appeals to those looking for more government handouts"
Just like Willard appeals to the rich corporations & wealthy 1% who are looking for more government handouts...
I just had an epiphany...the progressive/liberal agenda reminds me of the movie "Demolition Man" after Sly Stallone gets unfrozen. I swear, if they get their way, the future will look like this:
Lenina Huxley: Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...
John Spartan: Are you sh!tting me?
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
John Spartan: What the hell is that?
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
Lenina Huxley: Bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again so is pregnancy if you don't have a licence.
You can't make it up, folks. Seems they had progressives pegged even back in '93.
Obama leads big with criminals, deadbeats, nipple suckers, and mindless drooling rabble like Fiesty. Now there's a constituency worth pursuing.....rotflmao!!!
Dominico Montenaro (the author of the article) proves himself an imbecile once again.
68% of all Americans? Better go look at the poll you referenced you hack....it was conducted by Telemundo and contacted 100% hispanics. No wonder it had a 68% approval
How Obama is getting this approval is by violating his oath of office. I bet if he told the DEA to quit enforcing drug laws, his popularity amoung cocaine addicts would increase 4 points too.
The premise that this is a good law amoung hispanics is a joke. Look, it is the consitutional duty of the federal government, namely the executive branch, to protect our borders and uphold federal law. Obama and his administration are in outright violation of that by NOT following law.
He should be impeached, not glorified for pandering to a nationality.
Romney’s largest support bloc is among non-college educated white men.
You must be an uneducated racist bigot.
From "commieslayer". ROFLMAO.
Maybe you should get your fat azz off the floor and get a job!
LoL So what's YOUR excuse?
Amen to that. I would also add red neck.
That's why the Republican party wants to eliminate public education and assistance for the poor and middle class to go to college. Once a person becomes educated (or has the intelligence to go to college) they realize that the GOP is full of idiots and no thinking person would vote Republican.
Democratic protestors showed up to a Rally against Karl Rove a reporter asked the demonstrator's who he was, one replied a guy another one said he was running against Obama, Yep Dems are really smart carring signs and don't even know who they are protesting against LOL
The two least educated groups in America, according to Obama's Government are Hispanics and blacks. Both support Obama overwhelmingly. What was your point? Are you aware Bill Gates isn't a college graduate? Thought not since Moveon.org didn't tell you that.
Bill Gates left Harvard without completing his degree, plus he spent his high school career at an elite prep school, which is not exactly the same educational background as low information voters like you have, who back Mitt Romney "cause he's rich! And he will make us rich too! By giving tax cuts to job creators!"
So far 9 Dumocrats are publicly refusing to go to Obama's convention in Sept.
That's nine WHITE Dumocrats refusing to go to the first BLACK Presidents convention.
Must be racist.
Yes. The least 2 educated groups back Obama.
And the most educated groups, too. He leads amongst Graduate and Doctoral degree holders.
What an unlikely pairing...
Right?
Think hard and you might get it.
An elite prep school? Bush went to Yale and actually has a degree so your point was what? I actually support Romney as the lesser of two evils. I admit I am uneducated compared to my family at least as all I have is a BA, JD and an LLM. What I do know personally is that in my state where 95% of bot h houses of the legislature are controlled by Democrats that Romney was able to gain bipartisan support and move Massachusetts forward. As yet we haven't replaced him. I do like your Governor. I assume you voted against him though since he's quite blue collar and white.
Lefties here at FR are finding it difficult to argue against American citizens in support of illegal immigrants. Evidenced by the namecalling and desperate attempts to belittle anybody that does not bend over and spread for the socialist cause of this failed Presidency.
Describing yourself again Dennis? BTW Ohio State sucks balls
If you really want too see how smart a Democrat is not go to youtube and search "how Obama got elected", A short video of a reporter interviewing Democratic voters at the polls. It is a LOL moment
I voted for Obama in 08, I'm an independent.
I'm also white, male, college educated and support my family on a middle class income. My wife is also white and college educated working in the medical industry. I am what you might call a red neck, and both my family and my wife's family are what you would call a red neck. Some are in the military serving our country, fighting for OUR freedom. The rest work on the county roads plowing snow during the winter so we can all get to work and the stores, or fixing roads during the summer so we don't break an axle.
There are two things that have turned me from Democrats in an extremely harsh way.
1. What Obama has done to this country in the past 3.5 years.
2. The liberal posters on these forums that are so filled with hate for anyone with an opinion that doesn't agree with their's. People like Fiesty, Beverly, Job1, Dennis, etc. If it takes that much hate, greed and jealousy to be in the democrat party, then I want nothing of it. I hope you all realize that with your posts on here, you're driving people away from you, instead of bringing them towards you.
That is also why so many Hispanics are on the fence. They are realizing that the right wants them for cheap labor, and the left wants them for votes. Past that, neither party wants them for anything.
Have fun with your election, what is meant to happen... will happen and I will accept that. But Obama and the left has pretty much permanently lost my vote.
viknat - why does it not surprise me that you get your "facts" from youtube? Again, low information voters - that's all Romney has!
Alex M - you never voted Democratic in your life. Spread your lies somewhere where the idiots from the right will believe you!
Somebody said that a Republican posted something Intelligent on another article.
we are looking into it for possible use against them
I bet most of you Dems havent had a decent, civilized conversation in your life. Try NOT using insults and maybe your words will carry a bit of creedence.
hahahahahaha look in the Mirror
SeekingSanity is a perfect example of the venom from the left. I also voted for Obama in '08, as I have said many times and it was the dumbest vote of my 40-year plus voting history. I was one of the good guys back then, but when I voiced my criticism of Obama's policies, Suddenly, I was a bigoted racist. Liberals are only liberal when you agree with them. When you don't, they suddenly start talking like those uneducated rednecks they like to label those of us they disagree with. There are many more just like AlexM and myself you don't here from here at FR, but the nation will hear from them in November, loud and clear.
Get your own house in order before you start lecturing anyone else on civility!
You trolls come charging in here, flinging insults left & right!
Making bogus claims with nothing to back them up with!
And you seriously think YOU are contributing something to the discussion!
I made my comment above which is in no way insulting or inflammatory, yet within minutes was personally attacked 4x's by those who disagree!
This is one liberal who will defend myself when necessary - if you don't like it... TOUGH sh!t!!
All you're doing is stinking the place up... of course you already know that since it's your objective!
Sorry if you don't like it around here - you can take your nasty ass over to Drudge it is much more your speed!
PS: Do you all have some sort of contest for who can post the most vile comment each day?
Consider a Democrat vegetarian.
They are not satisfied that they eat a vegetarian lifestyle themselves.. oh no, they want to FORCE everyone else to be a vegetarian too. Because they (arrogantly and misguidedly) believe they know whats best for everyone else.
That's why no Dem can be given an inch, they always will take a mile.
uaw -
I did this morning, know what I saw? A proud, happy white male who is disgusted with the way this country is being run.
Transparent administration my ass...two words, Executive Priviledge.
That some people are stupid whether or not they have a degree from Yale?
Feisty -
There is a bit of truth to what you have said. I havent always been the most civil, but it takes character to know when one has been wrong. All I see from you is empty, thoughtless words that only contain negativity about what you dont know or understand. Its ok, come this November, it will all be over and we can get back to getting our great nation back in order.
Feisty's answer to someone suggesting that the left would be better served to debate as opposed to disparage is to throw us another bunch of insults. Keep talking gal, your desperation is bringing us hope for this nation.
Yeah, don't you know this is Fisty's Forum??? No Name calling....Tyler??Tyler?? where are you? Fisty called other posters here "Trolls." Heck, I got suspended the other week for merely agreeing with someone who called someone else a "Troll."
You know Fisty, you are pretty caustic yourself....
What a DUMB FUX.....
Dennis (post 2.0)
Dennis, not sure who you really mean. Are those people like union workers in GM or the AFLCIO? Aren't they mostly white men who don’t have a college degree? Are you saying that Union members are now supporting Romney? Wow, things are really going down the drain for Obama these days! I know this white college educated male is a Romeny supporter.
Feisty (post 2.23)
Sounds like "the Pot calling the Kettle Black!" How’s this for back up Fiesty Baby?
*Pass the Popcorn*
NOBAMA 2012!
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i have never applied for public assistance. i support government social programs for medical care educational food aid and so on. i am amazed at those attacking people receiving aid---why do you not see the tax cuts FOR THE RICH as just another form of public aid--why no criticism of the greedy corp. who the repubs claim create jobs-they create jobs in china and get a tax break for doing it. for some reason the repubs aline themselves with family values and claim to be god loving yet they seek to punish the poor----an easy target since they are virtually powerless in the game of politics. the repubs are a mean bunch of bullies seeking to unite americans against a class of people that are easy to kick while they are down. not my kind of people. i enthusiastically supported obama in the last election and he fell short of my expectations but i'll vote for him again. given what he faces with the congress he'd have to be a miracle worker to accomplish what he set out to do. he still has my vote.
Legal ones or illegals? Not even the Latinos can get excited about the BS Liar in Chief anymore! Does that tell you something??
They know Dumbama sold them out and needs them just one more time for votes. After that - adios amigos.
@SeekingSanity,
I'm really happy you know my voting record more than I do myself, since I'm the one that placed my vote and all.... Continue on with the insults if it makes you feel like a better man.
@granny22
I've been on unemployment twice in my life; when Clinton did the defense cutbacks and the military was kicking us out of basic training left and right, and then when I lost my job in the bay area during the dot com crash.
You'll find that most independents and those on the right don't have a problem with the concept of welfare and other social programs. What most of us have a problem with is the implementation. I know numerous individuals on the system for gas cards, food stamps, free cell phones, etc that are perfectly able to work. They just feel they are too good to pump gas or pull green chain in a mill. Another example is the food stamp program and the rampant abuse of it. I just read an article earlier this week (forget which site) where some of our politicians are wanting an itemized list of what products the food stamps are spent on. The response they received was the list wasn't allowed. Then it went on to talk about lobbying groups such as the Confectioners lobbying group that spends millions in campaign donations to disallow it. I have a problem with that after working as a grocery checker years ago, and random stops to Circle K where I see chips, candy, red bull, etc bought with my tax dollars. This isn't an attack on the poor people, it's an attack for people abusing the system. If the abuse wasn't there then the dollars WOULD be going to the POOR people, not the poor people getting whatever is left over after the LAZY people get done with it.
As far as the rich, close all the loop holes, the majority of us are for that. But don't say that taxing the rich will solve all our ills because it won't even make a dent. Also, if you do that, they will leave the country driving jobs down even further and lowering how much our products are bought.
Sending jobs overseas? Obama is as guilty of that as much as Bush, Clinton and the rest. Free trade agreements is a big reason I don't sign up for either party. Also, you might want to research Soros and Obama's friend at GE if you need a balancing act for the blame to place, both parties are to blame, and you, I and the rest of the citizens are the victim of political greed.
Actually, it was people like you who turned me from the Republican party: the unremitting hatred from the Republican party for every non-white male.
Essentially, the Republican party consists of two kinds of people: the elite who are too rich to do anything but try to think up more ways of owning the country and the sheeple who envy them and follow them.
The Republican argument can be summed up fairly easily; it is the worry that somewhere, someplace, someone might be able to make better use of the system than me. No one deserves to take more from the system from me, so it is better to have no system at all than it is to have a system which benefits someone more.
Essentially, it's a race to the bottom. It weakens America, and it weakens us as a people. If you don't feel hatred for what is being done to our country in the name of 'freedom', they you are either blind or a traitor.
John,
90% of all non-college educated workers do not belong to any union and over 40% of the union workers are female.
@Bryon,
I'm not a republican, I'm a conservative independent. All the republicans I know (including my parents, brother and sister) are as far from racist and jealous as you can get. My dad lost his job in the defense industry under Clinton, and at 56 couldn't find another white collar job, he ended up pumping gas until he was 74. My mom sold Avon, and then ran an antique store she owned for 10 years until she was 70. My brother is a Chief Petty Officer in the navy and has been in for 22 years. My sister has her four year degree in accounting and runs her own accounting business. I'm a software engineer with 15 years experience and doing decently well.
None of us care what color you are. All we expect is if you live here that you're a citizen, get a job and work for your family and your country.
So I'm not sure how I'm jealous of the 'elite' or how I want what they have. We aren't trying to use the system, we're trying to work, raise our families, earn an honest living, and all we expect is what we have earned ourselves. We don't want what you earned, or what the rich have.
Pretty much want people like you and the government to leave us alone :)
What a ditto-head. Try comming up with an origional thought rather than parroting that gas bag
sreeminglib,Your comment was your example of an original thought? Calling somebody you don't know a ditto-head because he doesn't toe your line qualifies you for officer material in the liberal ranks. The left always talks about their ranks being full of educated folks. The comments from the majority of the lefties here, including yours, sure as hell don't back that assumption up.
Ron -
This is what Im talking about. Ignorant liberals (and conservatives) who spout off at the mouth with out thinking first. They beat their chest and say that you are wrong because you dont believe *insert lame party line here*.
Get real, children. Romney is not the answer for the next 8 years but he is lightyears better than BO. JMHO.
Lanikai Ron
Your cute when your angry ; )
Ditto Head
LOL....I am waiting for the Lefties to come out with the "racist" card since this article talks about Hispanics.
Can't back up their DNP talking points from their recent "required" talking points meeting(s) so, gotta go with the attacks.
Let's wait and see what the Liberals will say when SCOTUS announces the Mandated Universal Health Care Reform legislation (wait.....the Liberal changed the name) is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and when Mr. Blockbuster Holder is held for contempt to Congress.
Yep, as soon as SCOTUS announcement is made, Mr. Obama is going to issue another Executive Order saying the States can keep the $$$$ issued to them as a goodwill gesture.
I'm way past being angry. It took me some time to understand the liberal way. But after being called a racist and one of the sheeple more than a few times, I came to realize some of us have not grown up yet. Good day!
@Ido- Can you really blame the race card? No president has been treated as poorly as this one has. Not even the worst of all, bush. People can't stand that a black man is in the office. It's change. You or many may not realize it, but certain subjects like this, bring out a racist side that you may not know. Psychology has proven that.
sjm -
Generally speaking, only those who are narrow minded are racist or believe that race is the reason something they believe in is failing. Look at Micheal Vick, alot of people pulled the race card and said the only reason he was going to prison for so long was because he is black.
Im not a racist and I believe BO is screwing this country. Plain and simple.
@sjm,
So what you're saying is that we're being racist without realizing it just because we don't support Obama? I'm not voting for Obama for the same reason I didn't vote for Bush his second term... because he's a crappy president. I gave both Bush and Obama one term to prove themselves, they didn't so I voted otherwise. It has nothing to do with race at all.
If anything the liberals are the most racist ones in this campaign strictly because you keep hammering on it. I'm just as sick of the racist conversation as I am the rest of the liberal crap this administration tries to force me to accept. Obama forced it with the T. Martin comment, Holder forced it with 'his people', this administration is racist... We are NOT!
I'm not calling anyone racist. I believe he's doing fine. Not the best, but no president has really been amazing lately. I just hate how some people bring up the race card being brought up. it's old and dumb. Please give some credible statements of why you don't like him. Not you, just the general public. Just because you want him out of office, they want to put someone in there that hasn't even given any ideas as to what he will do. This election is going to be stupid....
I say again. Believe what you want. I'm not calling anyone racist, nor will ever do so. Maybe except for rednecks. But thats public and personal.
Hispanos contra Liberales/ comunistas y pendejos, Vota por Romney!
So sjm says he's not calling anybody but rednecks racist. Then he goes on to say that the reason Obama is taking heat is because he is black. Gotta get off the fence sjm. Read your own messages. You just labeled a very large percentage of our population as racists. Even white guys like myself who voted for Obama and now think Obama was a huge mistake for this country are in that group. The guy is half white for goodness sakes. But those on the left prefer to label him as black, as he does himself according to his census form, so they can pull out the race card at will. Liberalism is a mental disease as witnessed in the messages here.
AlexM, if those are the two reasons you turned from leaning Democratic to leaning Republican, it seems that you have the same problem on both sides of the fence.
What about what GW Bush did to the country during his administration? Was that okay with you?
Do you honestly think that the posters on the left are that much more hateful than the ones on the right?
Heartlight3, You lost most of us when you brought up Bush. We cannot vote for Bush now even if we wanted to. At what point does Obama take responsibility for his administration? Ronald Reagan righted the economy, destr0yed by Jimmy Carter, in just 2-years. How does Obama compare to that? You are correct in stating their are hateful folks on the right, but look at these messages and you tell me which side dominates the hate. The FR regulars are the leading haters and are undeniably lefties.
Heartlight - you said the bad word - BUSH. The little righties want to forget he ever existed and took this country downhill. They'd rather put it ALL on Obama. You just have to ignore their lapse in memory. If they had to actually admit what Bush did - they wouldn't be able to post all of their hatred and lies.
Obama/Biden 2012
Bush is not a "bad word", it's just an over used excuse used to defend the failed Obama presidency. The poor state of the exconomy is not "all" on Obama. His own record speaks for itself. He has done little to right the ship. I was not a fan of Reagan, but he fixed Jimmy Carter's mess in the first 2-years of his presidency. Turns out he was one of the best Presidents we ever had. Was hoping Obama would be a good one too when I voted for him. Look what we got.
Notice how even in this story the SNEAKY USE of the words "hispanic" and "latino".
Just what is LATINO?
It's not a race.
It's not a color.
It is a contraction for Latin America, a political grouping of third world countries from the western hehisphere.
LATINO seems to mean ANTI-AMERICAN for Latinos have very little in common with America, democracy, or the American way of life.
Latinos have more in common with another political party, the NAZIS, as they use intimidation as a weapon to attack their enemies.
Obama should feel right at home with them.
Notice in the photo how Obama is giving the "Seig Heil" salute to those quasi-Nazis.
Hey Fisty and other libs,
How can you continue to support Obama? Here are some of his pledges that have failed miserably:
Today I am pledging to cut the deficit in half in my 1st term. Spoken at the fiscal responsibility summit Feb. 23 2009
We will launch a sweeping effort to root out waste, inefficiency and unnecessary spending in our government, and every American will be able to see how and where we spend tax dollars by going to a new site call recovery.gov. Spoken at speech Jan. 28th 2009.
There is no doubt we have been living beyond our means and we’re and we are going to have to make adjustments. Now what I have done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut. Spoken during presidential debate Oct. 15, 2008
We are going to ban ear marks. Spoken at a news conference Jan. 6 2009.
Instead of letting big corporations slipping tax breaks into bills in the dead of night. We will make sure every single tax break and earmark is available to every American on line. Spoken on the campaign trail in June 2007.
Under my plan, no family making under 250,000 dollars a year will pay any form of tax increases. Not your income tax not your payroll tax, not your capital gains tax. Not any of your taxes. Spoken 2008 at a town Hall Meeting in Dover, NH.
I will eliminate all income taxation for all seniors making less than 50,000 dollars a year. This will eliminate taxes on 7 million seniors-saving them an average of 1,400 dollars a year- and will also mean that 27 million seniors will not have to file a income tax return at all. From Barrack Obama presidential campaign fact sheet in 2008.
My plan will not help speculators who took risky bets and bought homes not to live in but to sell. Spoken to an audience in Phoenix on Fe. 18th 2009.
Lobbyist will not work in my Whitehouse. Spoken on his Iowa bus tour Dec. 15th 2007.
We have a Philosophical difference, which we have debated repeatedly, and that is Senator Hillary Clinton believes that the only way we can universal health care is to force everyone to purchase it. Spoken during the democratic presidential debate Feb. 21st 2008
These negotiations will be on C-span so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the decisions that are being made spoken Jan.20 2008.
Barrack Obama and Joe Biden believe that the United States has to be frank with the Chinese about such failings and will press them to respect human rights. On a fact sheet distributed by the Obama campaign 2008.
The detention facilities at Guantanamo individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practical… no later than one year from this order. Presidential executive order Jan. 22 2009.
We need tougher border security and a renewed focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing the border… That begins at home with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our borders and passing tough employer enforcement laws. Spoken in Miami May 23rd 2008
I will make sure we negotiate NAFTA Feb 23 2008
I’m going to clean up both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. My administration will be the toughest on ethic laws than any administration in history
Actually, Byron, AlexM's post was very respectable, eloquent, and to the point. There was nothing hateful or racist about his post in any way. He also summarizes exactly the way I feel. Your hate rhetoric of labeling everyone who has a different view as a "racist" has pushed me to voting Republican this election more so than anything Mitt Romney or the Republican party will ever say or do. You can be really proud of yourself.
Seriously? How about getting excited about the name Barack or Harry. Those two names don't excite me. People do not choose their birth names! Do you judge people by their names?
@Heartlight,
You might have missed one of my posts, but I stated that I voted for Bush his first term, and didn't vote for him his second term for the same reason I won't vote for Obama a second term. I gave Bush a chance, but did not agree with what he was doing, so he lost my vote.
As far as posters, it all depends on what site you go to. I happen to pretty much only post on msnbc. Most of (what I would consider) the true middle of the road sites I've read don't allow posting. If you go to Huffington, you'll read rabid left posts, if you go to CNS, you'll read rabid right posts. While I do consider msnbc a left leaning site, it's 'usually' fairly tame towards the center. The liberal posters on this site do appear (to me) to be harsh towards anyone not agreeing with them. But that doesn't mean that only liberal posters are mean. :)
When people or groups of people are not motivated to vote it seems to mean a couple of things.
The first thing is that a person is satisfied enough with things overall that they are not motivated to vote in an effort to change things.
Secondly, people may feel that there is little reason to vote because things will stay the status-quo regardless of the outcome of the election.
What this article points out in my opinion is that Hispanics, overall, are very satisfied with president Obama. What they need to recognize is that each and every vote for Obama will help to continue his efforts to make their lives better. If they become complacent and fail to vote, it could sway the election toward NitMitt and that would not be in their best interest.
Hey, I'm voting for Romney and yes I do like the idea of having young kids given a special consideration, however up to 30 years of age, is way too much.
Feisty do you really think that spanish leaders speak fro all Hispanics?
A couple of facts: Cubans overwhelming will vote republican even if they are register Democrats. The reason is the meaning of the word Democrat is taken different in Spanish.
Dominicans: most vote Republican. you can google this if you like.
Who in today's world belives anything that NBC and or Telemundo says.
I do not even believe MSN when they favor Romney.
I check with my sister from Miami. She is also Black/Hispanic/woman. and she goes out dancing almost every night and most of the crowd wants our President out in 2012.
Festy and Company had their marching points given out today but no matter what--------- Romney and anybody in 2012. Correct the error of 2008.
So What is your point?
I just couldn't help myself Concern ....
Thanks for letting me know that the dancing scene in Miami is where you get your info from. hahahaha! Made my day!
Layton-3733410 who writes with his hands and not his brains.
I thought you would see that most of this crowd are young and Hispanic and yes, unlike you this people have fun and also take politics very seriously and are very intusiastic about voting. Especially the Cubans.
If it is one thing I know is Latinos. I'm one of them. glad to make your day LOL.
Try using spell check or is it too much effort? Illiteracy is nothing to be proud of. Que lastima.
Concern,
Do you check ANYTHING out? I'm female you oaf. By the way, thought you had a job and only posted on your "brakes."
LOL! *zing*
Best thing I ever did was put Edith Bunker on ignore - broad incoherant gibberish gives me a migraine!
@ Concern- I lived in Miami. Young, hispanic voters are for Obama. It's the older Cubans that are strictly Republicans. I believe it was because Reagan let them all come to the country. Don't quote me on that last part, but i do know older people in Miami will vote republican. Many business owners in miami that like less taxes and aren't very happy about the fair share part that Obama wants.
I never hear you liberals talk about Obama's accomplishments, all I hear is "it's Bush's fault", "Romney this or Romney that" but never a word about hope and change, tranforming Washington, cutting the deficit in half or the other 100 or so promises Obama made in 2008 that never came true. Whining, complaining and blaming won't get your guy re-elected.
Thanks for the invitation, I love talking about the President's accomplishments:
All the American car companies are profitable again for the first time since 2006 - I want a Chevy Volt! Can you imagine? A car you almost never have to buy gas for! President Obama agreed to the auto bailout, to save manufacturing jobs, and that it did.
Qaddafy is gone, baby gone. That monster has been a thorn in America's side since he supported the Lockerbie bomber. Qaddafy had a crush on Condi Rice, which tells you all you need to know about how Republican administrations handled him. The Obama administration handled his ouster brilliantly - no boots on the ground!
Overall improvement in our standing abroad. Our allies can actually work with the American President, instead of cringing when they see him coming. (Who can forget Bush giving Merkel a backrub?)
Young people can stay on their parents' insurance policy until age 26 - this has been a life-safer for a young woman in our community who had a double lung transplant. Young people typically don't need much expensive medical help, but, boy when they do, it can decimate their futures getting saddled with medical debt if they are uninsured.
Insurance companies required to cover contraceptives - a real savings for young women in entry level positions, who get benefits but struggle to pay out of pocket expenses.
Gay people can now serve openly in the military. THey don't have to lie, and we aren't losing translators, among other service people, over that old policy anymore either.
I can go on and on...
Because you don't pay attention, and you live in that republican bubble!
Commander, Amy and Job1.......
Nice, very nice response to lukewarns silly accusation/ lie!
Us liberals consistently posted Obama's accomplishments on FR, but the problem is that too many righties lack basic reading/comprehension skills, so it became a waste of time. It is much easier for the righties to whine, piss, and moan rather than come to the table with discussion points.
@RedDevPS
..But these same RWNJs are focused like a lazer on Feisty being first to post then continue on with lies, petty, juvenile name calling!
They are priceless.....but cheap to be bought by Willard!
lukewarm:
The New Extremist Republicans had NO implanted in their brains by Norquist, signed their votes away for NO TAXES, and by the way, for that action, need to be tried for treason! Our President did everything but lay down for the extremists in trying to get deficit reduction last summer. However, good ol' boy Mitch got on national television and announced they had only one priority and that was to make this President a one term president...not jobs, not deficit reduction, not improving the economy. This has been the focus for the whole time Obama has been in the White House and even before he had his inauguration. You can't transform government with a group of A..holes with these kinds of attitudes and behaviors! Extremists on the right have been consistent with their goals...get that black man out of the White House! They are now trying to buy this election because that is the only way they will win it. Thank you, activist judges on the Supreme Court for giving them the rights to do that. Oh, you can google for the very extensive list of accomplishments of this Administration, but I seriously doubt you want to read that.
@Chilled - tell me. I never thought I would long for the days of 'real' conservatives, but these days, I would take them over these right-wing ding bats that post utter bull@!$%# day after day. I can name only two conservative posters that I respect - Frank 'Grimey', and Alan, NJ. The rest are complete idiots.
P.S. I think Lisa_s might also be a conservative - and she should be added to the short list of respectable posters.
Red,
Funny - I was thinking the exact same thing this morning! Mr. Me First Bill isn't too bad either... Although he can be a bit 'biting' at times!
The rest of these nitwits couldn't debate their way out of a wet paper bag!
Thus, their obsession over who posts first!
Nice to see First Read has chosen quanity over quality!
... this used to be the best place to have a conversation...
Now it's all about who can sling the most vulgar personal attack!
MSNBC should change the name to "Right Wing Bullies on Full Display"!
Feisty - case in point, this was a late response to concerned citizen last night. Haven't see hide-nor-hair of that troll since.
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@Unconcerned non-Citizen - aka -outsourced/offshore paid TROLL
Now really, we need to add reading comprehension to the list of skills you lack. Please, do tell, in this paragraph, where it makes the claim that Bain (sorry, not Bane) is involved in John Deere and International Harvester. But hey, that is what you paid trolls do - reinvent and re-write history, mislead/misinform.
By the way, your Rove-ian bosses need to fire your tolling ass. You can't even validate your facts, much less, post a readable sentence.
Keep on posting your fabrications (otherwise known as lies to you 4 letter word types) - I enjoy tearing them down one-by-one.
ROFL - spoke to soon. But good to know the Miami midnight cocaine/dancing crowd is hip on Romney.
RedDev -
CC's comment was a classic Mitten's circle jerk. Was she for it or against it? I would of commented on it, but I had no idea of what the point was.
The rest of these nitwits couldn't debate their way out of a wet paper bag!
Feisty - Debating them is like shooting fish in a barrel.....
Feisty - Debating them is like shooting fish in a barrel.....
It's a laugh a minute! - It'll be like this when O debates NitMitt..LOL
to the No cigar ReddevPs, GT (nerver so an ass as told as an Elephant.
nerver so an ass as told as an Elephant.
CC - WTF are you talking about?
Nice to see First Read has chosen quanity over quality!
... this used to be the best place to have a conversation...
Now it's all about who can sling the most vulgar personal attack!
What a freaking hypocrite! I first started posting when Obama came out of nowhere and the liberals made him their posterboy, and back then, it was almost totally a liberal circlej&^k, and if by some slim chance anyone made a disparaging comment about the messiah, you were attacked. Now the tide has turned, and their desperation is showing. Only the few die hard partisan hacks still making excuses for Doughbama.
To; Independents, Republicans and Democrats.
I want you to see the real LIBS out there and how they think they are Superior to blacks/Hispanic/females like me. Talk about racist and prejudice from the same group that is always blaming and putting down 70% of this Country.
This libs never make a mistake, they know everything, and they think of themselves at the Masters of the World. How pathetic.
They think they are superior and like to feel benevolent with other people's money. They dole out a little to minority groups, while keeping the greater share for themselves, and then like to tell everyone how much good they are doing, it's really pathetic. I guess it takes a Carter to get a Reagan, and Obama is waaaay worse than Carter, and Romney may not be a Reagan but he is certain to be better than Obama!
GT-2021701
My mistake it is suppose to read never saw an ass as told/big as an Elephant. If you could not figure out just look at your inflammatory AVATAR, you ass........ I forgot you Gods never make mistakes, you are just racist.
Concern Citizen - no you think of yourself as something special when you talk down to everyone who doesn't agree with you! Totally pathetic!
Oh but it's okay for you to call GT names - you are a total loser!
Like I said, Rove needs to fire your tolling butt, you can't even string together a semi-coherent sentence.
Sure you did sweet-cheeks... sure you did! *wink wink*
Too bad your comment history tells a entirely different story! lmao!
You can't even tell the truth about that & you expect people to believe what you say? ;o))))
@Concern,
you make absolutely no sense...
Feisty - how many different names do people use who post here. I know Damage is posting as about 3 different people; jim and bob post as about 2 or 3 others. Amazing they take the time to do that just to spew their ignorance and hatred!
Educated people......Why is it on these post there is more name calling done by the left than the right? You say how dumb the republicans are, you have dumb fux and or a donkey screwing an elephant as your picture, you call the tea party tea baggers the list goes on.
I sit on both sides of the fence. There is good and bad with both parties and I really don't think either party cares about we "common people." They care only about themselves and being able to continue living their life of luxury. I find it hard as an independent thinker to take your post seriously with all of the name calling. You sound like children on the play ground and "mine is better than yours, so naaaa." Adults?
Meanwhile...the msm ignores the fact many Republicans dislike their candidate so much, they will write in Ron Paul or vote for the official Libertarian candidate, former New Mexico governor, Gary Johnson.
White male voters are not as monolithic, as the msm likes to protray them. In addition to supporting Obama's re-elelection, plenty of them dislike Romney (who doesn't?) and would support a third party candidate.
I am voting against Obama, not for Romney. Even if Obama ran agaisnt the traitor John Kerry I'd vote for Kerry. A poster wanted a list of Obama's accomplishments so I will list them all:
Jeff - your ignorance is only overshadowed by your eagerness to show how ignorant you are!
Obama/Biden 2012
I am voting against Obama, not for Romney.
Seems like the Repubes are getting a little disgruntled with their candidate. Have you noticed seeing more ABO comments out of the righties, the last week or so? Haven't been this many since the GOP primary was still going hot and heavy... This isn't saying much for Mitten's
Obama/Biden 2012
I would have preferred that Condi run, but I accept the will of the majority. Not the biggest fan of Romney, but I'd be hard pressed to find a more nothing human being than our pompous, thin-skinned President.
And know we know how the lemmings will run .. chasing their candidate over a cliff because they were 'told' to vote that way.
hypocrite!
I can't stop laughing at all the Republicans who hate Obama for his stimulus providing $250 billion in tax breaks, his 2.2% tax break for worker, tax breaks for businesses hiring vets, 2010 bill giving businesses a 100% investment tax break in 2011 and 50% in 2012.
It would appear today's Republicans can't stand tax breaks for American citizens and for American businesses.
We Republicans believe that if you pay someone off for screwing up and never force them to confront their errors that they'll learn nothing; lose the money again and make the same errors. We prefer one mistake. Progressives prefer a lifetime. Since you're such a genius are you aware that the 2.2% tax break wipes out a social security contribution and instead of bankrupting the treasury Obama chose to bankrupt Social Security instead of fixing it. You're happy that Obama sold out everyone under 30?
That is a rather broad unfounded statement. Bush asked for two stimulus packages and got them, but suddenly when it comes to Obama using a stimulus, the Republicans get cold feet. It seems the Republicans learn nothing.
I was wondering who spoke for all Republicans as a collective. I thought that title went to Rushbo but now we know...
Of course he has the Hispanic vote; that was bought and paid for with the free ticket into the Country for illegals and other promised reforms.
I guess Fisty wants illegal voters. So she is endorsing voter fraud. Typical libby if you can't win legally, cheat. Have as many dead people, illegal immigrants, dogs, cats, pigs, etc. vote.
Anyone who outright endorses voter fraud should be banned.
How can anyone with half a brain say they are for voter fraud?
Fisty, you really jumped the shark.
LOL
1963 I saw Bob Tillman hit a grand slam to beat the yankees 8-0 and have been a sox fan ever since.
So you also support voter suppression measures?
How would you feel if the republicans did to you as they did to many other legally registered voters in FL recently? They hand picked many registered independent and democrat voters in FL as not having the right to vote because of a host of reasons that they trumped up to keep them from voting. Then they did this without allowing enough time for the people to refute the claims.
This is the party you are backing?
How much support will you continue to offer if they did the same to you?
The GOP is desperate and will stop at nothing to win an election. People like you continue to support them so they are encouraged to not only do they same in the future, but they will almost certainly come up more horrendous measures in their attempts to win elections.
nomore, I'm a regestered Independent in Florida, and I'm still on the roll. Wonder what happened?
Peggy, try to be realistic. Not every citizens was targeted. The GOP targeted groups of people in cities/counties where very heated elections were to take place. They did everything in their power to sway those elections by claiming that many democrats/independents were registered illegally.
But give it time. You may next!
Anyone who outright endorses voter fraud should be banned.
How can anyone with half a brain say they are for voter fraud?
Redsoxrule -
Get real, idiot. Do you really think illegals are actually going to commit a felony just for the sake of voting in a US election?
Just another RWNJ conspiracy theory!!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Peggy, the Republican-majority state legislature here passed a law eliminating same-day voter registration, a system that had worked well in Maine for 40 years. They changed the rules just to make it harder for young people, who typically move around alot, and who typically vote Democratic, to register to vote on election day.
This even after the Republican Secretary of State investigated back ten years and discovered no voter fraud related to same day registration.
Voters in Maine overturned that law with 60% of the vote, via refrerendum. Maine residents will not stand for efforts at supressing the vote. Why are Florida residents unwilling to stand up for democracy?
I assume you supported the referendum overturning gay marriage as well so that no one could possibly label you as a complete hypocrite. Floridians love democracy. Thats why they don't want felons and illegals voting, despite the fact both blocks support Obama 100%.
Thats why they don't want felons and illegals voting, despite the fact both blocks support Obama 100%.
Thats strange. Because O has deported more illegals than the previous administation ever dreamed. Again I will say it. "Do you really think illegals are actually going to commit a felony just for the sake of voting in a US election?" I also doubt that felons want to take that chance, either......
Uh.. YEAH!! and more if it gives them the opportunity to stay in this country. They broke the law coming here. They break the law staying here and they'll break the law to remain.
Who's Social Security Card is in your wallet?
I am still registered (I checked back when all this started) in Alabama even though I now live in North Carolina and have for two years plus. With no verification at the polls, I could vote here and then go back there and vote again knowing what my old address was and that is all they ask when you enter. How would they investigate that as fraud? So you see, fraud is hard to prove if everyone is on the rolls appears to be legally registered, thus the infrequency of voter fraud reported. You can't prove it if someone slips in and appears to be legal.
You're going to fly to Alabama to vote in an election and also vote in North Carolina?
Our Secretary of State investigated allegations that Maine college students were voting in their home states as well as in Maine. Turned out there were ZERO cases of this happening over the past ten years. ZERO. Naturally, the Republican Secretary of State still sent all Maine college students a letter warning them of the illegality of such an act.
I could vote here and then go back there and vote again knowing what my old address was and that is all they ask when you enter
Talk to - Sure you could. But is it worth the expense? The time and amount of money spent, not to mention break the law, to gain 1 vote is hardly worth it. You could apply your time and money to the campaign and get better voting results.
The point is that it is to expensive to hire people to fraudulently vote and make a difference in a general election.
The only worthwhile way to do it is either by tampering with machines, or pushing legislation that makes it hard for people to register.
I haven't heard of any machine tampering lately, but if you want talk about the latter, you can always talk to Rick Scott.
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No I am not going to. The point is, by just having to state my old address to vote, anyone who is still there and wanted to take the effort to, could say they were me knowing that because I moved (or even died for that matter) and wasn't taken off the rolls, could commit the fraud. That is where the expression "dead people voting" comes from. Someone finds out that several people in his district or polling jurisdiction died, a list could be compiled, "voters" from outside that district recruited, and votes be placed. Hell if I knew my neighbor was registered but for whatever reason wasn't going to take the time, I could be him. For me personally, it isn't worth the penalty for the crime.
Jesus dude, really? Is this really a huge problem in our democracy? The problem is getting people to vote in the first palce not multiple votes by the same person.
This has happend so infrequently that it's a non-issue and you know it, or at least you should.
Unfortunately for obama, most of the Hispanics polled are illegals. But not to worry, holder will get the vote out, legal or otherwise.
God Bless you President Obama for Keeping my Family Safe and the Families of Independents, Working Class, the Middle Class, and even Honorable Ron Paul Supporters, from Domestic Terrorists, Teabaggers, Republicans, and Mitt Romney.
I'm glad you will be our President for the Next Four Years, so Mitt Romney and the Republicans, and those crazy Teabaggers will Not be able to Destroy the Working and Middle Class.
Again, God Bless You and God Bless America.
and by the way I was once a proud Republican, so Mr. President you know how disappointed and disgusted I am with Mitt Romny and the Republican party.
How can I have an "Outsourcer an Chief" in the White House, who has hidden Swiss Bank Accounts and Cayman Island phony shell-Compainies so he doesn't have to pay Taxes.
That's why I'm Voting a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
Do you still know the secret handshake?
BTW, Obama doesn't believe in God
If you really were a "proud Republican" what changed? We are pro-life because our Constitution guarantees the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. We are for individual rights, not the "rights of the collective" which is a Socialist trait, we believe in a strong defense, we believe in the sovereignty of our nation and we are proud of our country. We believe that saying the pledge of allegiance isn't degrading, we fly our American flag proudly, we are patriotic, we believe in the American culture, not the European one we fought and died to free ourselves from. We believe in helping other people but not in making them slaves to the government. We believe in a limited government based on the Constitution and we believe that Capitalism (not Crony Capitalism) has made our country the most successful nation in the history of this planet.
Now that you are a liberal, what exactly does your side stand for?
"Do you still know the secret handshake?"
sirie, I salute you. Now that's comedy! :o)
ps. It's obvious that Lukewarm doesn't know the "secret handshake".
@ Republican You do know that the "evil" Bain contributed more to Democrats than Republicans don't you? How do you reconcile that fact with calling Romney the "outsourcer in Chief"? I would never vote a straight party ticket for either party.
Stupid statements like above say it all.
RFO
I see you are still trying to convince people that you were once a conservative; no one buys it. Your posts show you love the marxism of the Democrats and their ideology of enslaving all of us to the state.
BTW, it also helps if you at least admit your lies rather than suggesting them as facts. I'm no Romney supporter and won't vote for him, but at least I prefer facts.
Romney has no Swiss bank accts- His wife has an IRA in a Swiss Bank
Cayman Island investment accts are subject to all the same taxes on his tax returns as American based investments.
Then don't vote for Obama either Larry Robinson-1323081 ....
At least Romney can add and subtract ....
sirie - your stupidity knows no bounds. You have totally lost your small, ignorant, miniscule little mind! But, you clearly listen to Faux News, buy into the low intelligence "fact" of the tea party and are happy in your stupidity!
Pathetic excuse for a human being!
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bigbenalaska
I vote 3rd party
sirie: "BTW, Obama doesn't believe in God"
Oh, and BTW - Mitt Romney eats peanut butter and squid sandwiches while standing on one foot when there's a full moon, too.
(Hey, Da Noid was right yesterday - just posting any stupid made-up remark here really is kind of fun! And you don't even have to provide any proof!)
My guess is the psoter doesn't understand that Allah is considered to be God by some.
3rd party Larry Robinson-1323081 .... ??
Don't you think that a 3rd party vote will only help Obama .... ??
Maybe you are thinking Ron Paul ....
But you know he doesn't have the votes to really win ....
Don't you think that a 3rd party vote will only help Obama
Bigben, Thank you for your admission. Most righties seem to think the 3rd party will draw enough Dems to give Mitten's a win.
I'm glad you straightened them out on the wishful thinking of that subject...
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Ron Paul left the race. He is gone. Long gone. Don't throw your vote away.
joke people, lighten up!
People that spew out the name calling really have me intrigued... Is that an ego boost or something? stop the hating, love peace and a generous life are the keys to happiness and content.
@ Seeking you should learn if you talk smack you should be able to support it. Here are some gems from Seeking.
"As anyone who has done their homework knows, GE is bringing 70% of it's manufacturing back to the US by the end of 2014. "
and when challenged for proof:
"Still looking for where I read 70% of GE back in US "
Evidently she didn't do her homework. If I were her I wouldn't be so quick to call other people stupid... Too funny.
I would be interested to see GE bringing back jobs to the US. We have a major GE plant here in my town (Bloomington, IL) that has been sitting empty for years, not one news agency here is talking about the plant re-opening, sadly.
sirie - GE is building 4 micro centers in the US. About two months ago I read they were bringing 70% of their manufacturing jobs back but I can't locate that article. Most articles are referencing 50% plus. Still looking for the one touting 70%.
Well, tha's good. Maybe that will make up for the fact they didn't pay any taxes last year on their record profits.....damn 1%'ers.
Seeking Sanity
“These products that we design we have to build in GE factories,” Immault stressed. GE has said it will invest $1 billion dollars in its U.S. factories and create over 1,300 new U.S. jobs by 2014.
GE
taps lean and green to revitalize US manufacturing with slick refrigerator
launch | TechRepublic
Not sure about the % statistic...but its a start
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sreeeeminglib - It's a good start. I actually found the article when I was going to buy an iron - went on line because they were all made in China. That's when I read about the 4 micro-centers. There are 10 other companies who committed to bring jobs back. As you said, it's a start - we just need more to do the same.
Thanks for making me Obama's running mate but I think I'll keep my current job! :-)
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Which brings up an even more important question.. why should we give a @!$%#?
Obama says he's a Christian and we have no reason to doubt the man's words.
Seperation of church and state anyway, so it doesn't matter or at least it shouldn't.
This election will be 2010 all over again. See ya libs, you had your chance and you failed miserably. I know, I know, it was Bush's fault, Republicans fault, the weather maybe or possibly Europe's fault and let's not forget that terrible oil spill.
"Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses."
God Bless "Obama the Merciful" who still will allow you Republicans and Teabaggers to Live in our Beautiful Utopia Socialist Society.
Of course we'll have to replace Baseball with Soccer as our Official National "pasttime", and we need to replace the 4th of July with May-Day, where we can all dance around the May-Pole to show our diversity and that we can "all just get along". Now isn't that Special?
But other than that, things will kind of still be the same, but we'll need your Guns for "safe-keeping", and of course we'll be issuing Islamic "prayer-mats" for morning prayer ever day. God Bless you and God Bless the USA.
Republicans and Conservatives be Afraid, be very afraid.
I can't wait till Obama stacks the Supreme Court with some more Marxists, and Socialists, and maybe some old-fashion-style, dirty-Soviet-commies.
Remember, I can say the above, because I was once a proud Republican, but then I remember the horrific and hideous Bush/Cheney years and Haliburton and Blackwater and the "outing of our American deep-cover" operative Valerie Plame, and I can never go back.
Plus that wannabe "Outsource and Chief" Mitt Romey just wants to Destroy the Working and Middle-Class. that's Not just wrong, that's Sick.
That's why I'm encouraging all my Republican friends, Ron Paul supporters, and you Undecided Independent voters, to Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
It will be Fun to teach the Republicans and Mitt Romney a Lesson they soon won't forget, by sending the all back to the "Dung Heap of History" where they rightfully belong.
God Bless you, and God Bless President Obama!
Yea, 4 more years of unemployment, underwater mortgages, expensive gasoline,government expansion.
Didn't we kick out Carter for the same?
Yes, and what did we get in 2010? A bunch of hand-sitting sandbaggers who mastered the filibuster and produced the worst congress ever. The electorate will remember these idiots; the war on women, the war on the middle class, the war on democracy etc.
Old mooching redheaded fisty must be the grand matriarch of all the democrat-communist slugs that post on this site. They swoon and drool over her every word.
..and your obsession with her is starting to get down right embarassing.
Eeew..Commieslayer I'm really scared now! Go back to your trailer and stop with hip hop b.s. With that line of thinking you couldn't hold a job at McDonalds let alone hold a job in the manufacturing sector. I certainly wouldn't hire you!
Hire him? What kind of job can a welfare recipient offer?
democrat-communist
Hey Singblade, that's an oxymoron. However, in your case, it's just moron....
All the racism of Republicans are going to come back and bite them.
Romney supports Arizona's fascist/nazi "show me your papers" laws against brown people.
Romney only likes Hispanics when they do his yard work on his mansions.
It's stupid things like this that create false ideas in uneducated young peoples' heads and cause people to grow up super liberal without really knowing what they're talking about.
THE JOKE OF THE YEAR
Say it again. I am 47 years old and look it. Went to get a six pack last night and had to show identification card. Guess if I couldnt provide one I should have gotten in touch with my lib freinds and asked them why I was being harassed. I should not have to have an id card. Woops, that is only for voting so they can get all of the illegals and felons out to keep voting for their handouts. You guys are in trouble and all you can come up with is name-calling and racial comments. I am one of those uneducated white men that will vote for Romney and guess what there are a lot of us!
You have got to tell me, did you get the beer or not?
Nice cold six pack of Bud! Thanks for asking.
Dog 80
And yet, you show up at an emergency room without a health insurance card, cause you have a "right" to get medical care without buying insurance.
Republicans: "you must show an ID to vote, even if you are an elderly WWII vet who doesn't drive and lost his state I.D."
but:
"You don't have to show a health insurance card to get $100,000 worth of emergency medical care."
What did I miss?
Oh I see you edited yourself.
Amy,
"You don't have to show a health insurance card to get $100,000 worth of emergency medical care."
But you will be asked to show either your Driver License or ID card.
EMTALA?
That was Reagan's brainchild.
Hush though. Reagan could do no ill. He didn't give out handouts in medical care he...errr...
Shucks, he gave out handouts. Because his base demanded them :)
Because republicans are the ultimate freebie getters.
"Aaron Carroll of Indiana University tells us that in 2010, residents of the 10 states Gallup ranks as “most conservative” received 21.2 percent of their income in government transfers, while the number for the 10 most liberal states was only 17.1 percent." -
"Cornell University’s Suzanne Mettler points out that many beneficiaries of government programs seem confused about their own place in the system. She tells us that 44 percent of Social Security recipients, 43 percent of those receiving unemployment benefits, and 40 percent of those on Medicare say that they “have not used a government program.”
"Presumably, then, voters imagine that pledges to slash government spending mean cutting programs for the idle poor, not things they themselves count on. And this is a confusion politicians deliberately encourage. For example, when Mr. Romney responded to the new Obama budget, he condemned Mr. Obama for not taking on entitlement spending — and, in the very next breath, attacked him for cutting Medicare."
Awesome.
Republicans = Moochers against handouts.
I've said it before.
Sometimes I wish the Republicans could actually invoke their 'vision'. Their own base would be the first to perish in fire and starvation.
To Amy:
Got my own insurance that I pay for with my money that I make. Not willing or needing to take any handouts from you or the government. I have 5 kids (a lawyer and a teacher so far) others still in school. Guess what, even with the professions they are conservatives. I am one of those uneducated white men that has raised a family and done quite well for myself. The opportunities are still out there for you to make something of yourself too. I wish you luck!
I hope they were all a product of private schools, then. Otherwise? You totally just received government monies to get your kids educated.
Doubly-so if they went to a State College.
And Triply-so if they went to a State College using in-state tuition rates.
And your teacher-child is a conservative? Again, I hope it's a public school or she's actively trying to sabotage herself.
How does your lawyer-son feel about Tort Reform? Does his practice-type do civilian or criminal cases?
Teknishan - regarding your post about "republican moochers" assuming that it is either farmers, or poor people receiving the majority of the government support in your example, wouldn't it actually be possible to read it in another light? : even though they would be receiving the most amount of benefits, they still vote conservative, and therefore are the LEAST to mooch?!?!
Regarding your "actively trying to sabotage herself" comment - some people might be thinking about the country as a whole, whether something is legal or not, etc. as opposed to how it affects their own personal daily lives. *This is a response that can be said about/towards both sides. I just think it seems like you're here to sabotage anyone that comes off as a conservative republican, without giving much thought to someonelse's side/thoughts...
Dog 80
I receive my health insurance through my employer. My sister is an upper income professional who buys her own insurance. We both vote Democratic.
My brother is a self employed mason, who climbs around on roofs, building chimneys in the hot sun, and he gets covered under Medicaid, because he has a family and his income is low enough to qualify. He votes Republican, not only that, Tea Party Republican.
Go figure.
Askaboutet;
Ok.
So it's farmers or poor people. It doesn't make much difference, simply illustrating that a lot of 'Republicans' should be especially against the current Republican blue-print, since it affects them the most adversely.
Doesn't really matter who, what, where or why. It matters that 40% of people on the Dole don't realize they're on the dole. That's just flat ignorance, regardless of which party it comes from.
Unfortunately, a disproportionate amount of the 'flat ignorance' is coming from people who are yelling 'no handouts!' and 'keep your hands off my medicare', which in itself is pretty awesome.
I don't fully grasp how voting conservative innately makes your 'least' to mooch, though.
If you're on the dole in any fashion (public schooling, public transportation vouchers, medicare, SS, unemployment insurance, injury compensation, disability, etc), and you vote Republican which as a party has expressly demonized 'handouts' and 'subsidies', you are either;
A) intentionally voting against your own interests
or B) unintentionally voting against your own interests (AKA - Ignorant).
Admittedly, I'm sure a lot of Republicans are not on the dole in any fashion. But if we subtract them from the ones who are, you'll find the republican party is instead representing far, far less people than their current registration numbers would indicate.
There are many legal and illegal's who would sell their soul for 30 peices of silver.
Does anyone else see the problem in these two sentences???
"Obama’s recent executive order halting the deportation of illegal immigrants younger than 30 and brought to the United States as children is popular with all voters but even more so among Latinos.
Sixty-eight percent of all Americans said they favored Obama’s order, and 29 percent opposed it."
Ask, all I know is that we posters are overwhelmingly opposed to Obama's action, including many lifelong liberals like me. So I find it very hard to believe that survey.
Cassandra - the only "we" you speak for is yourself. Stop being ignorant. No one believes you're a liberal. We all know you're a dyed in the wool tea partier!
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ha. I just meant the part "Obama's recent executive order...is popular with all voters... sixty-eight percent of all Americans said they favored Obama's order..."
From all to 68 percent in just a few words!
Gotta love the president - "halting the deportation of ILLEGAL immigrants younger that 30." What is so frickin' hard for you dumb azz libs to understand about a person being illegal? They don't belong here, they must be deported! Man, being liberal must suck - your ideals are completely turned around and wrong.
It's like not arresting kids under 30 for smoking pot if they got it from their parents... haha.
Nah man, what's so hard about you dumb-azz Cons understanding?
They didn't jump the fence when they were 2, mamacita made them do it.
It's not their fault they're here, and they're doing the best they can in the situation they're in.
The sins of the father do NOT pass unto the seventh generation.
And slavery is NOT legal, not even from neighboring countries. And wearing two different types of cloth ARE permitted and is not a death offense. And homosexuality is NOT a stoning offense either. Also, touching a women during her 'unclean' part of the month is not cause for death either. Leviticus, all of it.
Quit hating because you are told to and think for yourself.
Ya, actually, right when I wrote it I realized it's not the same because the kid could be smoking it by choice, but I was applying it more to a situation where a 15 year old kid hopped the fence with his "mamacita" and did so obviously knowing it was illegal, hung out for 10 years under the radar and now gets to stay.
I'm not "hating" on anyone, I just think immigration law is essential for every country (even against me!!!) and not enforcing laws is just as illegal as breaking them.
wait - I just reread your post - why are you ranting about my "hatred" for people wearing different clothes and homosexuals? What a weird thing to write in a discussion about illegal immigration...
Anyways, I don't hate. The real racist thing (I think at least for a lot of people) is that YOU'RE assuming that I'm "racist" because YOU'RE picturing me kicking out mexicans or something. If someone came from canada, ireland, china, etc. and they were here illegally, I would think it would still be illegal for them to stay... is that not right?
teknishan - Thinking for themselves is something the far right is incapable of doing!
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@SeekingSanity,
Not everyone here is as partisan as yourself. I can believe former Obama supporters voting against him, because I'm in the same bracket. His flip-flop on the mandate clause is a big betrayal for me, but his violation of the oath of office choosing not to enforce the laws of this land is unforgivable. In my case it is not just an issue about "feelings", it's a policy issue too. Obama's gone far left and I can see other independents and some moderate Dems being disappointed as well.
beto-lara - and what exactly is Romney offering that makes you want to vote for him? He has said absolutely nothing. Obama has NOT violated the oath of office. That is a lie told over and over again by Republicans.
Illegals have been here for decades. President Obama deported more than any other President - did you also accuse Bush of violating his oath of office? Probably not.
President Obama isn't even close to far left. But, if you vote for Romney you will take this country backward 100 years. How sad that is your preference.
Obama/Biden 2012 for the future of the nation.
@SeekingSanity,
1. He would work to get rid of the Healthcare bill, which I didn't mind too much until a mandate was added to it.
2. I don't see a Republican suspending deportations - the whole notion that only "criminals" will get deported, is blatantly stupid. Looking aside the issue of being here illegally, illegals aren't considered criminals until they actually get caught committing a crime and thus have a record for it. So there's no aspect of prevention in that policy. Under this catch-release deportation policy illegal immigrants who have committed murder, rape or engage in drug-trafficking are essentially free to roam the country as long as they haven't been caught for those crimes. If he were to clean up the estimated $4.2 billion dollars a year lost to illegals from tax credits, that would fund more deportations instead.
3. Keystone pipeline might still be saved - although the Chinese might have jumped ahead of us, after Obama neglected to act on this.
4. Excessive green projects. A lot of wasted money on that. You have to know when to cut your losses and Obama showed little restraint in "green" investments.
Too far left? He's freaking Ronald Reagan on this issue! It's you righties that took a long, hard, right turn into no man's land.
@RTyp0
Hate to disappoint you, but I'm not a righty so I don't bow down to their messiah's feet. Right now the call for amnesty and lazy border security is an issue crusaded by the far left, so that's the reason for my statement.
The irony here is that illegal immigration hurts a big chunk of the non-hispanic democrat coalition. Huge percentages of blacks and young workers are unemployed, now the President goes along and tries to increase their competition for jobs --and please don't give me that BS that the majority of high school & college educated illegal immigrants are aspiring to be fruitpickers--, but alas that core would vote themselves off a cliff with their partisan devotion. Obama is no Bill Clinton.
U.S. Military Waging War on Christianity
posted on June 26, 2012 by Giacomo
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the
providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to
be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore
his protection and favors." (George Washington)
Last year it was reported that military chaplains were being ordered by the Pentagon to perform same-sex marriages, even though it violates their faith. In response, thousands of military chaplains said that this was one order that they would refuse to carry out.
Then earlier this year, we reported on a new Pentagon order telling military chaplains that if they preached against sin, including homosexuality, that they could be charged with sedition and treason. It seems that these were only the beginning skirmishes in the militarys war on Christianity.
How evil and vile are you, Barack Hussein Obama!
This is what happens when a Muslim takes his oath of office with his hand on a Bible. He doesn't think that his oath to enforce our laws counts.
nazarite and Rocco - I'm guessing you're brothers and your parents are either first cousins or brother and sister. That's the only possible explanation for two people being so totally ignorant and rancidly stupid!
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This is bogus, misinformation, typical lying, Republican BS.
Chaplains are NOT required to perform rites against their religious principles.
Nazarite: "Last year it was reported that military chaplains were being ordered by the Pentagon to perform same-sex marriages, even though it violates their faith."
I was going to ask "reported by who?", but then decided to just find the Pentagon memo itself:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM169_110929_signed_chaplains_memo.html
As you can see, it clearly states that chaplains MAY participate or officiate in ceremonies, IF said ceremony is not contrary to any state or local laws, AND the chaplain is NOT required to do so "if doing so would be in variance with the tenets of his or her religion or personal beliefs". Oh, and just for the icing on the cake, it also notes that "a military chaplains participation in a private ceremony does not constitute an endorsement of the ceremony by the DoD".
Got any more lies you'd care to share?
P.S. - Here's the Politico article that links to the actual memo:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64852.html
I don't have a problem with righties criticizing the Obama administration.. as long as it's not a completely fabricated strawman like this thread.
This is why Fox News et al are so dangerous, they're churnning out straw at a dizzying rate and the misinformed are buying all of it.
Why would the Hispanics be fired up to vote for Obama? He has promised them so much and has failed to deliver on any of them. Obama's latest gimmick to grant "back door amnesty" will back fire. My question is, and no one on the left seems to want to answer it, when there is currently a high unemployment rate among Hispanics why would they (Hispanics) vote to add more to the unemployment rolls or take jobs that should go to those that came here legally?
All of his presidency he has IGNORED them, but he needs their vote so here comes Obama the famous liar to try their votes, I hope they are smart enough to see that Obama has failed them all the long and he using them, but Obama will be gone in just a few short months in a very very FAST & FURIOUS WAY.
Why would Hispanics be fired up for Obama. The Hispanic unemployment rate is over 11% and Obama/Holder shipped over 1,000 guns to Mexico which have resulted in the killing of hundred of Hispanic people. I can see the lack of enthusiasm for either guy. To a Hispanic, this is truly the lesser of two evils. In which case, not big push for either
sfcret - Why would the Hispanics be fired up to vote for Obama?
Maybe a reason why, WE, support democrats and Obama is because of the stereotypical, belittling attitude the majority of the right have of us. From Republican politicians on down to their adherents. See the posts from the righties here calling us takers, assuming we are only unskilled laborers, uneducated, lazy, un-American. Family has been here since the 1920's, uncles, dad, cousins, inlaws have fought in Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan. To those righties they don't see us as Americans they assume we just recently waded across the river.
However, WE, will push Obama over the finish line in Colorado, New Mexico, Florida, California. Will help determine New Jersey, New York, Illinois. We are millions strong and our voices will be heard. Eventually in a couple of cycles we will put Texas into play. Deal with it.
Having a bad day Yellowdog? Usually you don't paint with such a broad brush.
Dog: you are not speaking for all Hispanics, most of us are leaving or have left the Democratic party and voting independently! Many of us are here legally and will be insulted by a blanket amnesty. Yes, those of us who work are not happy with the planned income tax increases, the expansion of Federal Government, continued unemployment, outlandish gasoline prices, and the direction of the democrats to the European economies which are failing. The Independent Party movement means nobody owns me. Take that Mecha philosophy somewhere else.
Show support for Obama - Attention all Liberals immediately hand in your job resignation with the stipulation that your boss will hire an illegal alien to replace you. Next stand in line and collect your welfare and food stamps. I Obama approve this message and thank-you for your support on my immigration policy
Viknat by your post you can obviously tell you are uneducated. If you have been under a rock as I suspect you have been you now are given a food card to purchase groceries with! It's repubs like you and there are many, many of you out there that will give support for Governor Romney who is just as clueless as all of you repubs actually are! No worries as President Obama cruises to his 2nd term as he deserves!
If Hispanics collect their 30 peices of silver and vote for Obama, they will be fired up, in Hell!
An objective analysis would look for a root cause of this kind of disconnect between most American voters and this survey.
An obvious reason which isn't addressed by the article is that most if not all come from countries with totalitarian dictatorships (even with so-called elections) where the govt has the power to do whatever they want. So Hispanics are not bothered by the "business as usual" approach of totalitarianism that Obama and the Democrats are seeking
95% of the Hispanic "takers" support Obama.
Please note none of these polls said Register voters or most likely to vote. They didn't even distinguish between citizens or not.
Vote Romney Larry Robinson-1323081 ....
Save what's left of America ....
Obama has the U.S. broke ....
I wouldn't vote for either one of them. I vote 3rd party and will continue to do so until the Republicans run a conservative candidate.
Well , at least Obama won't be getting your vote Larry ....
Still always good to see you ....
polling "Hispanics" doesn't distinguish between those who can legally vote; and those who CAN'T.
It's just any random Hispanic who answers the phone, even children too young to vote.
I have an idea. For every illegal alien we give permanent status to, we deport a liberal to Mexico. It's really a win, win for both countries. We get a hard working, family oriented individual that values the opportunities our country has to offer and Mexico gets a, a, um a person who is, um. Okay, maybe it's not a "win, win" but at least we get rid of a few liberals.
Even further, Obama has a 10-1 favorability rating among Hispanic illegals. Why do you think Obama and Holder do not want any identification at the polling place requirements. Why do you think they are so dead seat against Florida cleaning illegals off the voting roles. How are you going to get that illegal alien voting block out en mass if you are going to make them prove they are eligible.
Of course ILLEGALS are for Obama, but guess who is NOT for Obama, answer TRUE AMERICANS are not, and we will vote Obama out of office this November in a very very FAST & FURIOUS WAY.
stclaire-3822173 - you and your ignorant, filthy kind don't speak for TRUE AMERICANS and your low intelligence post shows it.
President Obama was overwhelmingly voted into office in 2008 and will be again in 2012 by TRUE AMERICANS.
Go back under the rock you crawled out from under. You are nothing but filthy gutter trash - and it shows!
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Hey SeekingSanity: seeking must mean you don't have it. You sound very scared to me.... and you should be. We are going to toss his black ass right out of office and then freeloaders like you will have to get jobs.
DesertKing - Always looking for sanity in the GOP but, sadly, none exists as you so clearly show. Your ignorance and racism is blatant. Your lack of intelligence, integrity and honor must make your family proud - NOT.
What an embarrassment it is to be a low-life like you!
Again, seeking sanity in the GOP but clearly none to be found - no class either!
Oh and dear, I have a very good job - what's your excuse - pathetic little low information voter!
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SeekingSanity, Obviously you still are.....
Remember 1980?? ......Jimmy Carter's re-election bid? ......history will repeat for Obama.
Put down others to elevate yourself much??
How about the immigrants who came here legally, are they in the equation?
ToxicChemist - you guys are so far in the gutter no one has to pull you down. The pity is you don't even have the intelligence to know it.
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Again with the putdowns? Is that all you have? You just proved my previous post.
Why not dazzle us all with reasons why we should re-elect POTUS instead of just put-downs............<crickets>
ToxicChemist - tell me why anyone should vote for Romney? You can't because there is no reason. And, you're the pot calling the kettle black. You've done your share of putdowns.
Is there any reason TO vote for Romney? There is none; he is telling people what they want to hear with no details. How will he cut the deficit while cutting taxes and raising military spending; the 2 are counter one another. How can he make the environment cleaner while at the same time cutting environmental regulations, he can't. Romney supporters are being given following the Pied Piper, he tells them exactly what they want to hear but they aren't being smart enough to ask the key question "How will you do it"? When the press asks, he brushes it off, why, because he is empty.
Mr. Ken, the reason to vote for Mr. Romney is the fact that "Mr. Obama" failed his own culture, plus he failed the people of these United States. The Afro-Americans thought the promese he made were true and were lead down the garden path. If you still believe that he is going to help, I feel sorry for you. You are watching an ignorant, unproductive, so call educated man destroy this country little by little. He took Socilistic teachings from the knee of the biggest Communist in this country. His teacher is a man that used a Bomb in our country and never saw a day of prison. Now that trator teaches a a reputable college and calls himself a American Professor. You unfortunately do not get the fact that if Obama and his cronies stay in office, this won't be a free country in the very near future. And remember this too. As far as Obama-care goes, when they deny you medical support, and put you out of your misery, remember that you have Obama and his cronies to thank. When they put a member of your family down like destroying a cat, dog, or any animal you remember what was said to you about you unreasonable belief in a man that has shown himself to be a complete traitor to this country.