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Colin E. Braley / AP
Senator Orrin Hatch, along with his wife Elaine, thanks his supporters after his primary win Tuesday night.
Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch accomplished Tuesday night what few other veteran Republican senators have done in recent years, managing to fend off a primary challenge from his right.
The Associated Press declared Hatch the projected winner of the Utah Republican Senate nomination, emerging victorious in the first primary the veteran senator had faced since first being elected in 1976.
Conservatives had targeted Hatch for defeat this cycle, throwing their support behind state Sen. Dan Liljenquist, who hoped the Tea Party wave that has caused heartburn for establishment Republicans would carry him to victory versus Hatch.
Beating Hatch would have marked a significant changing of the guard in Utah, one of the most deeply Republican states, where the GOP primary serves often as the de-facto general elections. Conservatives managed to deny longtime Utah Sen. Robert Bennett (R) renomination during the 2010 elections. Mike Lee rallied conservative activists to deny Bennett the GOP nod, and was subsequently elected to the Senate that fall.
Hatch had seemed to have learned the lessons of that campaign, working assiduously to secure his conservative flank and building a warchest to beat back a Tea Party challenge.
He tacked to the right in tone and on certain key votes, locking up endorsements from talk radio favorites and even former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who’s more often than not endorsed challengers to established Republican lawmakers than the incumbents themselves.
Hatch's re-election strategy offered a roadmap for entrenched Republicans looking to fend off a conservative challenge. The Utah senator's approach broke, for example, from that of Sen. Richard Lugar's. The Indiana senator had largely been defiant of Tea Party forces, and lost a primary to State Treasurer Richard Mourdock earlier this year. Both Hatch and Lugar took office in 1977.
The early and aggressive effort by Hatch included an attempt to scare off would-be challengers before they even entered the race. The senator was particularly public in taking on two-term Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who had been viewed as a potentially formidable challenger but ultimately declined to run for Senate.
A major trump card for Hatch, though, came in the form of Mitt Romney. Perhaps no endorsement for Hatch was more important than Romney’s, who is held in high esteem in Utah due to his own Mormon faith, as well as the work Romney had done in 2002 to turn around the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics. Romney appeared with Hatch in Utah earlier this month to underscore his support for the longtime senator.
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Hopefully Sen Hatch will be part of a GOP Senate in 2013.
I liked hatch for a long time (too long) but he's a dinosaur and I was hoping to see him replaced with some new, younger blood. These career politicians like Hatch are becoming a real problem all across the nation. They are too "comfortable" and too adept at doing just enough to get by without rocking the boat and we end up where we are today. If they could revert back to their roots and do the right things and not allow themselves to be "part of the establishment and the problem" I would love to see the old timers remain and LEAD. Problem is, the ones who should be leading us down a conservative path with conservative wisdom have NO ability or desire to LEAD.
Oops .. is this a freak omen that tells the tea party is going up in flames, or just a hiccup. Better question is what does the Mormon Church say about this? With their poster-boy Romney knocking on the White House door, they have to make sure their minions hold onto their congressional power base.
STexan, I agree... Hatch is a fine and honest man and will serve well.... and there's plenty of time for new blood in Utah and elsewhere. The conservatives have the best farm team in the league and will be a strong political force for many years.
Romney 8 years with a young Marco Rubio as a leading VP... and a two house majority and there's plenty others.... several young Governors and many others!
On the other hand what future does the Libby Left have? Hillary in 2020? Yikes that's a unpleasant visual! And who can replace the irreplaceable Nancy Pelosi? Yikes.... I just vomitted a little in my mouth! But the answer is 'the cupboard is bare', lol Maybe Wiener and Spitzer will reinvent themselves.... :))
The bell tolls for the progressives, their time is up!
When you sell your soul to the company store, well, not much expectation there.
The only thing Orrin Hatch proves is everything is for sale, including himself. He should have retired, he is way past his sell date.
When Hatch isn't far enough to the right there is something seriously wrong with the Republican party
Well, in all fairness, like any Utah politician he is like a Hostess Ding Dong .. good for 70 years past the sell date.
A lesser of two evils win.
RedDev, I think you mean Twinkies
The Republican Party is going to "Right Wing" itself right onto the "ash heap of history" . Eventually people will see the bald faced lapdogs they are for the Wall Street and Corporate Traitor Mafia that has ruined this country. Sadly, Mitt is the leader of the pack, and if he wins things will only get way worse.
The Republican Party stinks already, it's expiration date is coming. Oh it may not happen this year, 2016 or 2020, but it's coming ... and when the tipping point comes, there will be no place to hide .....
Calling the tparty is like calling alqueda a little right if center in Islam. Whats the difference Hatch started talking like a tnut long ago. All the tnuts up for reelection are in for a major surprise cause the US is ticked at their lies.
Well I suppose the GOP needed a moderate to replace Harry Reid. Only a moderate would have the patience to listen to the crybaby Dems bitch & moan when they don't get everything just their way.
Anyone stupid enough to vote Republican in November deserves to be fired or laid off in December. You will NOT have balanced the budget and can kiss any unemployment help goodbye. Merry Xmas!
Dear Chief Justice Roberts,
I can hardly wait for Thursday, to read your majority decision striking down the individual mandate and with that the very survival of Obamacare. We as a nation are at a crossroads. It's there for all to see. We all watched as Europe's entitlement explosion has pushed it into economic malaise and near collapse. Obama wants nothing more but to double down on these failed ideas.
Healthcare is a big issue and needs big ideas, big solutions. Pelosi, Reid, and Obama put together a pile of crap.
We as a country are so much better than this law. Hell Obama had to bribe congressmen within his own party to get it passed.
Listen I could go on and on about how awful this law is and how overwhelmingly other Americans agree but what is important is your opinion.
You are very well respected Chief Justice Roberts. The respect you have is far and away greater than what Obama has left. Obama during his campaign and even during the first couple month of his Presidency was afforded with great respect by the American People. He was certainly at the outset a dynamic, inspiring speaker. Unfortunately, being a dynamic and inspiring speaker only takes you so far.
Obama simply has not delivered the "change" we needed. His policies, timing were simply wrong. We were in an economic crisis and healthcare should not have been the priority. And hell if you're gonna make it your priority at least get it right.
Chief Justice please reach dee down within yourself and choose the precise words, penetrating, and resounding words.
Your majority opinion must be clear and must flatly state that Obamacare and Obama himself are just no good!
PS;
Justice Roberts please don't lay down when Obama goes after your Court. We have seen just how arrogant a man Obama is. He blames everyone for his own failings. I assume it is something he has done his whole life.
Again, it's one of those things that is there for all to see.
If he starts with you take him to school. He isn't half the intellect you are and certainly not half the man you are.
God speed.
Rob in MASS
The only thing negative to most conservatives was his age and a couple of votes, hence, that is why he is returned. Hatch should do the right thing in 6 years and retire at that time.
A challenge at this time was a good thing. If that had been done to say, Voinovich instead of a rubber stamp, he may not have acted so much like a Rino in his last term. Same thing with DeWine.
@ Larry Poindexter
No. I think RedDev actually meant Ding Dong. You missed the point.
"He tacked to the right in tone and on certain key votes"
Wonder if he would have won if he tacked to the left?
Mission accomplished.
Since so many Americans have already been laid off, taken jobs for less pay, or kept jobs that have not increased pay while energy and health cost continue to rise your threat is kind of empty. Four years Obama has been in charge and the economy still sucks. Six years Democrats have been in-charge of the Senate and what have we got? (Including the last two Bush years when the economy tanked). Four years of Democrats in the House (Last two Bush years plus Obama's first two years) no results. Blame, finger pointing, and talking points is all we get from these Democrats, they haven't even passed ONE BUDGET! House republicans have passed bill after bill, only to have them sit on Harry Reids desk so you can say they are doing nothing. Your tricks, lies, and scare tactics have been exposed, and the Americans who have been hurt by your party have had enough!
Uhtred, even the wacko left at First Read can't respond to your point! There are no great minds (were there ever?) on the left to articulate the benefits of the progressives (are there any 'good' points at all?)....! Maybe they'll have to get Bill Maher or Jon Stewart to lead them... ln between the commercial breaks of course... btw, how many of you libbies have registered at Obama's Registry Event, lmao!
BoB in Virginia,
I have never agreed with anything you have said on this blog to date but for the sake of your party and a balanced approach to government i have to agree that Sen. Hatch would be of great benefit to our country and our government.
Having said that I think you will start to see the end of the Wheaties Politics that the Republican Party has practiced over the last 4 years.
The Republican Party has taken the position and the notion that they could come in and push everyone around and take our country back 50 years is coming to an end.
Mitt Romney will not be the President for this reason. I believe that the American voter will step up to the plate and reject Karl Rove and the Koch Bros. and others for trying to buy our country, and because Romney has no discernible platform other than a negative attack. He has no comprehension of how government works and the people he is following are out of touch with AMERICA.
The acknowledgment that Sarah Palin is now serving as the teaparty's kingmaker was the single most glaring bit of information I gleaned from this piece. I haven't a misogynous bone in my body, but allowing this woman to make anything resembling an important decision is a recipe for disaster.
Romney saved the Olympics by making congress bail them out. He takes over businesses when the local and federal governments give him big hand out and takes the money and runs away, fast. This is our government now and how is he going to make it better??? Give more money to businesses??? Time to cut welfare, BUSINESS WELFARE MUST STOP NOW TOO
You know, I would possibly consider voting for someone else but Romney is the biggest souless tool i've ever seen. He couldn't relate to the average american if he tried. His picture is the definition of everything that is wrong in politics.
To all the wonderful republicans here on this forum spewing your crap. Go back to fox news and post there.....OH that's right there are no forums there because there is no free thinking, only party favors and corporation minds. You all need a brain roto-rooter and a bowel flush to start up the engines again and stop spewing all the BS you do. Turn off fox news and think for yourselves. Or at least go there and stay there and stop flooding the posts with hate and party line BS and leave decisions and thinking to the thinking people.
So UAW you say MItt is alot like OBUMMER has no clue on how government works? I think he will do better than OBUMMER has.
Gerard1234, how are things going for your little
TeaToy Party in Tennessee? You better sell that "Glenn Beck gold" pretty soon! 70 years old and you still haven't learned squat!? Like romney, you can run but you can't hide! You said you were moving to Costa Rico anyway, so get packing re-reg! tick, tock, tick, tock...Bon Voyage! ;-)Let's see how soon we can add your new name to the top of the list of your banned accounts! ;-)
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My God Cynthia, you must lead a very pathetic life to spend your time tracking folks here on an anonymous blog.
Nice to see your COH concerns are cherry-picked to only include dissenting opinions.
Hatch, Romney. Shows conservative on the out side but liberal as hell on the inside. He and Romney have shipped too many jobs to cheep labor markets over seas, TAX FREE. Corporate bottom line and inflated Stock prices are more important to them than living wages and jobs for American workers. It will be SSDD from the get go. However I would vote for a rock before I would vote for the Half Breed Kenyan. Not in 2008 and sure as hell not in 2012. Since when is a community organizer experience enough to be president. I saw him dupe the Democrats and pull in enough Mexicans and Blacks to win the primary. Then the stupid Democrats backed the phoney in the general election. Could be they are such failures they were grabbing at straws. Man! have they ever come up with a short straw this time. Makes Richard Nixon look like a saint. What I am waiting to see if the Half Breed Kenyan looses, How many of the boondoggles he saddled us with will be repealed by the "monkey see, monkey do" republicans. They sure and hell have not repealed anything in the past. The present unemployment is a direct results of the Republican giving a open gate to manufacturing jobs over seas. TAX FREE This was inherited from Clinton and tweeted until it wrecked the job opportunities in the US. Remember the Alaskan Pipe line. it was built using JAP made pipe while American steel mills set idle. Enough said. Yep! You can't fix stupid. Our young people are picking @!$%# with the chickens as most GM cars are being built in China. TAX FREE.
Sorry ex that you now have others spend your money, or you are one of those on the take. You know what I am talking about your welfare, unemployment for yrs, or toher handouts from the demorats, that like to spend other peoples money.
As for MSNBC they are the ones that need to be shut off they are the ones tryong to sell 1/2 truths. you have to go to FOX to get the other half of the story. But you get both sides on FOX.
You idiots that think FOX news is republican do NOT realize they donate more to the DEMORATS than they do the REPUBLICANTS.
So 6 years of complete house, senate and executive control and your ilk managed to increase leverage limits on banks thus ultimately contributing to their collapse, 2 unfunded wars that conveniently went on the books a year after Bush left office and exploding deficits and you are complaining about mish mash political philosophies?
Those in glass houses...
Cynthia,
You just made me wear the paint off of my arrow down key.
Liberals are like Slinkies...they're not good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Just Saying,
You know better and so does everyone else. their isn't a Republican candidate out there at this time who could best Obama.
I think it is unlikely that the Republicans will control anything after November.
People are very wary of Karl Rove's attempt to buy the Government for his rich friends even if they don't care for Obama.
Your Party has already put all of their cards on the table and people in general from both parties don't like it with the exception of those who are distracted by the unfounded rhetoric.
You conservatives amaze me..the thing is, Your own party is the reason why were dont have a strong recovery because of blocking anything and everything because their racist bigots. You freaks aint getti nothing.
huby - Obama got everything except the carbon credits and card check. The lack of recovery is the Obama policies, not obstructionism.
Freedomfry's
Please show me/us the balanced budget that the Dems came up with? They had control for how many years and still nothing but ramrodding unconstitutional bills down our throats. Thats right how could they blame the repubs for yet another failure.
And to all you who think msnbc is for the thinker's just watch Mathews, Maddow, and the rest. Atleast Fox has contributors from the other side like Williams and others. Even Hannity brings on guest's from both sides.
Just Say, do you honestly believe what you just posted? Fox News is the most biased news organization I've ever seen or heard. You are obviously brainwashed by it. I have a friend that says the most outrageous crap and his news source is Fox News. Big surprise.
It's annoying to hear people say (Lefty hand-outs) When the United States has had years of spending from the Republicans without any accountability... Two wars+ not paid for... Medicare part D, not paid for... Sickening tax breaks for the wealthy coming out of the pockets of the average American... Give me a break!
Hatch has been in office for 36 years and just what good has he done? The only reason he did not lose this primary is he's bent more towards the teaparty more than not... He's a major part of this "DO Nothing Congress." Along with Mich MacConnell And he is more of the problem than the solution...
The Progressive Democrats (Liberals) have always been better, financialy for the economy than the get richer, think of tax breaks for me, one percent right wing nut-jobs...
Hatch is an Icon in Utah. Although this country needs new leadership (New Heads), this country is not going to change the guard. Look at the sad shape of Nevada, who thought Harry Reid would get re-elected.
I have no party affiliations, I vote for the person that I feel will represent my ideals. I don't actually know where I fall in the political spectrum, I agree with Democrats on many issues and the Tea Party on most. I guess, I should be called and obstructionist. Government is a plane spinning out of control and when it crashes, there will be no survivors, someone has to say NO.
Harry Reid was great in his younger years, but as he stayed longer he strayed just like the rest. If anyone is interested, Read about Harry and is attempt to get the Federal Reserve (real problem with our economy) and who owns it under control. He was a go getter and the type of elected official this country needs NOW. But I guess he was told how bodies are never found in the desserts of Nevada.
For those of you know it all's, that beat up Presidents, Dem. or Rep. you may get some eye opening truthes about who pulls the puppet strings. The President can still push his agenda as long as it doesn't offend the puppet master. It is pretty frightening the power so few people have. Google Harry Reid vs the Federal Reserve.
NObama 2012!
P.S. Terry-Ca Look what the democrat idealogy has done for California. You really need to read about what I'm talking about above, you may come away with a little different point of view on whose screwing us.
Terry in CA - Did you not receive a tax break from Bush? Was it paid for?
I thought so, Hey Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle!
I have to say that I am stunned that anybody would say that the current repub party represents them unless you are rich. All of their actions show that they are about big oil, big money, and yes, aside from what they tell you, big government. Who can sit back after absorbing 8 yrs of Bush Jr., and say, "yep, more of that please"? You have some major screws loose.
Obama has had successes, none of which you will give any credit. You wish and hope for him to fail. That is the repub stance. Wishing for america to fail for your political gain. That is the soul reason why you are the scum of the political process. You stone wall anything and everything. You sling shtt and cast blame and hatred every moment of everyday. Thats the people you side with? That alone is why you will lose this Nov. You have no credibility with anyone with any kind of independent intelligence. That would be most americans, I hope. Bush got a 2nd term so I do have doubts in the american voter. Dems are the best choice? Not perfect by any means but better? Absolutely!
Who cares about tax breaks when you don't get raises and the price of everything goes up? It's all fluff and most un-intelligent people eat it up. It's like talk about raising minimum wage, who cares if it's 1 million dollars? The price of everything else will go up and defeat the entire purpose of the gains.
I'll vote for who I think is best for America, and right now I see no one worthy of my vote. And for those of you who say the Republicans are blocking Obama at every turn, think about what has passed, NDAA approved by both parties, still in wars, approved by both parties, killing of American citizens, approved by both parties, still bailing out failing banks, backed by both parties, you catching my drift? Obama has pretty much kept in line with everything Bush had done, so in my eyes, that makes him a Republican.
I'm waiting on that transparent government, which won't ever materialize. And with a politically pro-active Supreme Court, things are going to get much, much worse for Americans.
So 6 years of complete house, senate - What 6 years was that? Try 4 years, Tom Daschel and the Dems controlled the Senate for Bush's first two years. The other difference is Republicans (unlike the democrats) Never had a filibuster proof majority, so they couldn't pass any bills without getting a couple of Democrats to sign on.
and executive control and your ilk managed to increase leverage limits on banks thus ultimately contributing to their collapse, - No one thinks this is true. LOL Even democrats know that it was the push (by congress Democrats) to get more low income people into housing that lead to banks offering bad loans to people they knew couldn't afford it. You tube Barnie Franks and Freddie and Fannie and you will find hundreds of videos of Democrats backing the bank practices that inflated the housing bubble. THIS IS NOT FOX NEWS information, this was facts discussed on CNBC, MSNBC, and CNN.
2 unfunded wars - So you and the Democrats would have done nothing after 9/11, the largest attack on American soil. Good to know, please make a campaign add telling everyone how you wouldn't have spent one extra Penny after the attacks.
that conveniently went on the books a year after Bush left office and exploding deficits - Not True. A Debunked liberal talking point that is total B.S.
and you are complaining about mish mash political philosophies? I'm not complaining of philosophies at all, I'm complaining about results, and the blaming of others when Democrats have had plenty of time and power, yet have achievedno results. You might remember we were in a recession that was made worse by the 9/11 attacks and we pulled out of the down turn and got back to low unemployment, and as you point out it was Republicans who were in charge.
Talking points, talking points, talking points. That is all you liberals have. I never read anything from any of you that isn't just B.S. talking points you get from MSNBC. If you aren't spewing stupid talking points like "do nothing congress" - Why don't you ask Harry Reid how many bills the House has passed that he has never even put up for vote.
If that doesn't work you just name call, and bad mouth, making $h!t up along the way. It's pathetic, but I understand, it's not like you can talk about Obama's accomplishments.
Talking points, talking points, talking points. That is all you liberals have.
And we see it yet again!! a conservative attempts to describe liberals and ends up describing himself.
I do not live in Uhh -- but I am glad that Sen. Hatch will most liley re back in congress next year. While I do not always agree with his positions on every issue -- I still respect the body of his career and experience--which is still saddly needed in DC. The
So-called "GOP farm team" in his state does not yet have anyone better. Maybe next time round. I want to make clear that I am neither a "lib" or a "tea partier" -- I think of my self as a true independent --and try to be objective on these things. That said, anytime any one party wants to control all parts of our government --I (and everyone) should be very concerned. History has long showm that any one political group take toal control of a nation (Japan in the 1920- 1945, Germany in the 1930's, Russia/USSR for most of the 20th century) cuorruption a greed and tyranty and is not too far behind -- and entire selectios of the polualation of these countries will and do suffer @ the hand of dicatorship. I, like many have been dissappointed with some of what President Obama has or has not accomplished in the last 3 1/2 years -- some of this his own fault -- much is in fact is not his. When the opposition party proclaims on the first day of a new adminstration that their main goal is not to achieve common goals, but instead to assure the failture of the President -- that us a problem. That said, would i consider voting for someone other the Obama this November? - Yes. is Mitt Romney that man -- hell no. He has put forward no real answers to our nation problems -- just blaned the Present for not ficing the mess left behind by the oe before (which was due in great part to the policy of the party now seeking to "fixe" the problem they caused by doing more of the same. tax cuts for corporations has been place for a decade (before Obama) and remain in place today -- where are the jobs? Why are these same corproations "out sourcing' while enjoying record prfots and record low taxes? The nation's debt was there before this President (due in part to the tax cuts and unfunded wars) If the GOP could come up with a real canidate for President who answer is not -- the poor have too much money" -- I might actually vote for them. But that is not the case. On another topic -- FOX news is not a new station --it is a oneside, paid mouth piece for one party. Having to proclaim themselves "Fair& Balance" only prove that they are not -- otherwise it would be apparent. Wich it is not. Yes. MSNBC is "progressive" -- but they do not claim they are not. For those who say that FoX News rating prove they are right --that prove only that if there are 20 pizza or chicken places in town each with 10 table -- any one of them will be less crowded all the time then if there is only one Chinese place in town with five tables and you want Chinese food. Yes that one chinese place might be crowd -- but that does not mean that everyone only eats chinese food. Please folks think for yourselves -- do not let anyone tell you want to think. And pleasae consider the source of the information and what they may have to gain from what they are telling you.
KSte,
Neither party will ever balance the budget and eliminate the federal defecit. Never. As long as they continue to buy reserve notes from the Fed, who print as many as they see fit, balancing the budget (realistcally) and eliminating the federal defecit is impossible. They can cut as many programs they want to, but buying from the Fed is like maxing out a credit card and only paying the minimum balance due. It's the interest that ends up burying you.
Actually, it was maybe 6 months tops for Democrats that held on too the "Super Majority". If you recall, which most people can't remember yesterday, Minnesota's election of Al Franken was tied up in recall votes for most of that time. Do a little studying before you repeat the lies of FoxNews.
trust2112 - we've told this to the mental midgets on this site over and over but they believe if they keep posting their lies someone will believe them. They just don't care about the truth - as you can see from most of their posts!
Obama/Biden 2012
It really is too bad that the GOP is down to a simple choice: bad and worse. The Tea Party has destroyed the Republican party, and the country as a whole has suffered because of it. Hopefully, the Tea Nuts will be resoundingly defeated in the general election and we can finally see an end to this very poor chapter of American political history.
The last time the GOP had decent candidate choices for president was when Ronald Reagan defeated Sen. Howard Baker (then the minority leader,) Sen. Bob Dole, and George W. Bush.
This year, the GOP has selected as its presumptive presidential candidate the least objectionable from the worst field of candidates it has ever put forth. The GOP has gone from the party from which you choose the best candidate to the party which has as its motto "Vote for our guy because you don't want the other one."
Bob Fu,
I can agree with that but why not put a spending bill in place when you have majority? Because if you wait there is always a chance to blame someone else. Have you seen the news on Stockton, CA? I wonder what color that state is!
Here we go again...another lib tossing out baseless statistics. Sources please, Mr Taliban....and please be specific!
Senator Orrin Hatch is the Republican Senate Heckler. He's the one who grumbles and moans while Democrats are speaking to indicate his opposition to anything they say. Hatch is also one of the oldest racists still living. No doubt, the teagaggers found all that out, and decided they like to hear that kind of goof-ball, unprofessional, slobbering woof that Hatch offers.
Did someone say it was longer? I posted.......
"The other difference is Republicans (unlike the democrats) Never had a filibuster proof majority, so they couldn't pass any bills without getting a couple of Democrats to sign on."
What I posted is true, Republicans NEVER had a Super Majority, Democrats DID. 6 months, 4 months, 2 months, it doesn't matter there was a time they had a Super Majority and even when they lost that all they needed was one RHINO to go along with them. If you're going to correct someone show the line or post like I did above.
I love the Independents who then go on to list every liberal or conservative thing they actually believe and are not independent at all.
Wow, how INDEPENDENT of you.
Have you tried going to Mitt Romney's website? He has a complete issues page link that has every issue you can think of (with links) then you can click on that issue read a short summary or click on the Full Plan PDF link. Seriously you're a complete joke and fraud.
Next time you go to post your independents before you start bashing Fox News and G. W. Bush try to have an origanl thought to back up your so called INDEPENDENCE.
Big deal another politician changed his vote and rhetoric to get re-elected. Any man or woman not willing to vote and speak their convictions is unworthy of holding elected office.
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen!!!!!
Ktse,
I know. I live litterally 10 miles away from Central Falls, RI. They already went bankrupt and then there's Woonsocket, RI and next on the block is the state capital Providence, RI. Stockton is huge and most likely recover wioth yet another chapter 9 save. I believe now as I have stated many times in the past, the evil always points back to the Fed and banksters.
The republican conservative right wing nuts have become more and more like the National socialists in Germany in the 1930's. What an embarrassment! "The "Don't Tread on me" people (teabuggers) got stomped on!
LOL!!! Talk about embarrasssment, your post is an embarrasment. The National Socialist were for things like state control of the economy, (who is it that wants high regulation, high taxes, and government in control of businesses?)
You forget WORKERS part of the National Socialist Workers party Hitler ran. Kind of like a big labor union who wanted to control both government and business. Wow, again which party does that sound like.
And which American party tends to stand against Israel and the Jews and which party tends to stand with them?
Thanks for your crazy rantings, gave me a good laugh.
Trust, they had 59 to 40 advantage, and couldn't get 1 Republican vote, NOT 1, all that tells me is how horrible the bills were they trying to pass, and guess what on they couldn't even get the 59 from their own party.
Ok, for all the republicans I'd like to explain this in simple terms, especially to those of you who didn't pass the third grade. First off, to Gerrard, and anyone who shares the opinion that those on the left are receiving free handouts, your comments make me smile as they make you look that much dumber.
Hatch won because he is inline to be on the Senate Appropriations committee. For those of you who don't know, Utah has an air force base. Why would anyone put an air force base in Utah? Ask Hatch, he's the one that got if for Utah and without him on the appropriations committee it would lose it's funding. So in the end, who is voting for who so they can keep their handout?
TO: LogicReguired who wrote:
You've got a point there, like me being an "Independent" but I actually am going to vote a straight Democrat Ticket this November, and kinda like you raving about Independents not being Independent but you're a registered Independent who plans to vote for Republicans.
*Yawn*
Obama/Biden 2012
To Texas Dem. - I see you got 1 mark, must have been another fool. Before you post BS, why don't find something real to tell us. Utah has had an Air Force Base for as long as I can remember and it was in Ogden the same place it was when I was in the Air Force in the 60's. Hatch may of help save it from closure but he had nothing to do with getting it for Utah.
No, that tells me that Republicans will not stray, because Master Norquist will not tolerate disobedience. Why do you see the same ol' same ol' being redone in Republican states? Because they can't come up with something original, they just copy and paste from state to state. Buh, Duh...
Logic Required,
The National Socialist ran fake candidates in the 30's in Germany to confuse and destroy Democracy. ( Wisconsin republicans did the same thing)
National Socialists got laws changed in Germany to give unlimited funds to back candidates. (Robert's right wing Supreme Court did the same thing.) The result was to be able to buy elections.
The teabugger, right wing of the party is trying to steam roll in all their nut case candidates and toss out the party regulars. Sort of what Hitler did when he took over the control of the Nationals socialists.
The republicans are playing off the ignorance of the voting public who want to have their greedy fill of profits and at the expense of the middle class. the National socialists did the same and the business and corporate world of Germany financed Hitler to win bigger profits from War.
John McCain, the war monger, is calling for our troops to get involved in Syria. He has the support of the largely right wing business and corporate greedy right of the republican party.
As a former YR, who supported Barry Goldwater, I feel he would be a moderate if ranked against the nut case right that is trying to take control of the republican party. I can remember at age 18 going to the republican state convention and being poured lots of rum and cokes from the candidate who was then running for governor. I was only 3 years underage and left drunk, but never voted for the crook. He didn't win anyway!
American Girl,
Good for you. After leaving the republican party and the YR I have never and will never vote for another National Socialist republican again in my life. Yes, I voted for Ronny, which I'm ashamed of now that I read he actually delegated the running of the Executive office to others since he had Alzheimer's.
Logic Required,
Please tell me why the support for the teabuggers right wing party is now down to something less than 20%? ( National socialists) Nazi's!
@clwyd
You may want to review History before you begin assigning titles
The Nazi Party's Base of support, were Unions, God Haters, "Wealthy" Haters...and they came to Ultimate National Power using the exact same rhetoric and propaganda that is being used today in America to demonize the successful here in America...Just saying
Learn German, and listen to some of Hitler's speeches...just make sure you secure any sharp objects before you do...I would want you to hurt youself in a moment of despair
@clwyd, I would venture a guess that nobody like them.
Good going tea party, you are doing fine, keep it up!
One other thing, I expect obama to win against romney, running unopposed, he wouldn't have a chance.
probably gonna happen Bobby V
Perhaps, sirie, you could tell us something we don't already know. That repulsive. restrictive, reclusive, state serves the Mormon Church and it's directives. Of course, Orrin was going to be reelected and serve the Mormon masters. They will have it no other way.
Do you want to tell us something SPECIFIC the Mormons do that is bad?
1. They support God given families.
2. They help their own, EVERY DAY.
3. They love God.
4. They still believe in this country.
5. They are usually the FIRST responders to disaster victims ALL OVER THE WORLD. Using tithing money their congregations gladly give them all over the world. All of that usually goes unnoticed because Mormons don't run around trying to get credit for doing good things.
6. They truely believe in individual choice. To research this last statement you would have to become one and spend some time watching your individual church in action.
REddevps, its sad you down something before you even take the time to learn what it is about... Have a good day sir.
They baptize dead people into the Mormon faith to save their souls - without asking.
They a a cut above of the garbage we have in the white house now.
I wonder when the white house limousine is going to get 22 inch chrome wheels to match the Green shinny suit.
Wow, the hate from RedDev, somebody not getting laid?
@Exrepug - when you are born and raised in the vile religion and state they control, it gives you a rather unique insight.
@sirie - if and when you play Mormon, get back to me. Otherwise, stick a cork up your arse and pray "Let Jesus come inside me".
LOL, I thought not! Prejudice is a terrible thing RedDev! Will eat you up inside...
My best friend is Mormon, and I will tell you what... when ever I need a hand, he is always the first to volunteer help. So, I find it odd that you are so prejudice against someone of faith.
REddevps, its sad you down something before you even take the time to learn what it is about... Have a good day sir.
I will NOT vote for Romney but and the way I see it , the only feather he has in his cap is he is a Mormon. I'm not religious at all but I do know several Mormons and they are great people. They are good parents, they are always willing to help others, they are some of the most truly Christian people I know. They are the total opposite of these hate filled followers of people like Rick Santorum or Pat Robertson.
well said Charlie! kudos!
RedDev ...
You can dis' the LDS church all you want, in fact if you need help, more than happy, but I live in a beautiful State, Zions, Bryce, Canyonlands, Arches, Lake Powell, Mirror Lake, Park City, just a few of some of the most breath-taking scenery. As for the rest of you ... if you haven't lived her and suffered through the suppresion that their church does inflict on non-members here ..... cork it.
@Layton - as I always say, Utah is a beautiful place to be FROM. Being born and raised in Layton, I have many fond memories; obviously, the Moron Church is not among them.
@sirie/Charlie - I didn't say all Mormons were bad, I said the Mormon Church sucks. That does include a large majority of 'followers'. Now pull you head out of your ass and take a lesson in comprehension. If you want to see a glimpse of that oh so sweet and nice Mormon Church, catch episodes of Big Love. Its portrayal of the devious, vile church are spot on.
Thanks RedDevPS - I moved away for awhile but am back to be closer to aging parents. Have a great day and too throughly enjoyed Big Love!
Senator Orrin Hatch is the Republican Senate Heckler. He's the one who grumbles and moans while Democrats are speaking to indicate his opposition to anything they say. Hatch is also one of the oldest racists still living. No doubt, the teagaggers found all that out, and decided they like to hear that kind of goof-ball, unprofessional, slobbering woof that Hatch offers.
Lived in Salt Lake City for just over a year, did not have any problems. I had heard in some of the smaller communities it is different, but I usually heard that from people who liked to place blame somewhere else anyway. I was a non practicing Catholic at the time and was treated very well.
Jeremiah Wright
Liberal Hypocrisy
Liberal Hypocricy
Liberal Hypocricy
Hey Logic, I get that. I certainly do and please don't be insulted by my question, are you male and white? My point is that there is an inherent control issue with the majority of politicians, etc., in Utah (who are male and white for the most part) who just assume that they can do whatever their little hearts desire and most of that thought process comes from what the LDS church teaches them. Being ridiculed for years for not being a member does tend to make me a little "edgy" when it comes to people stating that this particular religion does not effect a person. I truly believe it does.
All American Seta - red neck, blue blood, white sheets.
TO: Paul-2539759 who wrote:
"...Liberal Hypocrisy
There's a big difference though first there's the product, Hollywood makes movies for entertainment purposes, CEOs at Halliburton create Global Warming.
Liberals invest in clean air and water, and to make sure our food supplies are safe: Republicans pollute our air and water, and think a "little bit of poison never hurt no one" so long as Republicans can make a buck and avoid paying their taxes.
Obama/Biden 2012
American girl - Show some examples of liberal investment in clean air, water and safe food. I guess you buy Al Gore carbon credits, so you can use more electricity, drive your car and flush your toilet. Al is laughing all the way to the bank, Me too.
You can really help the environment that those evil republicans are polluting by not polluting yourself, stop breathing for a start.
I am going to tell you a story, you won't believe it but I'm going to tell it anyway, you may have been one of the saps. I worked for an Electric Utility company 9 years ago, owned by one of the most liberal cities in the country. The company worked hard to keep utility rate low for its customers. They offered their customers low interest loans to make their homes and business's more energy efficient, they even gave rebates for energy saving upgrades. Why? So they didn't have build more generation plants under the new enviromental regs. This city had adequate generation that was shut down by new enviromental policies and other factors.
The company started investing in Wind Energy and offered their customers a buy in. The customers could invest in the Energy program by adding $5 to their minimum Electric bill each month, in return the ever increasing fuel adjustment charge would be locked in to never increase above that rate, sounds great helping build green energy da, da da da. People never stopped to look at the scam for what it really was, the greenies were joyous, all their consumption was from those Wind turbines 500 miles away with no transmission lines to take it anywhere, jokes on them. The worst part is the typical Liberal economic principles that people got screwed by. Power consumption did not change, neither did the fuel adjustment cost, the people that did opt into the green energy program ended up pay their share of the adjustment cost plus the balance of what the greenies were forgiven.
Before you go spouting that typical liberal BS, maybe you should peek out the back door first.
P.S. No potty break tonight, that's pollution. I will be happy to sell you some of the new green potty credits. Poopoo $1 each, PeePee $.25 each, with these credit purchases you never have to feel guilty about polluting again. Coming soon Breath credits.
The TEA party is still around. They have mustered oodles of money and organization and have worked earnestly at the local level to take command of monies, social programs and infrastructure projects. Hatch and Lugar and others lost their offices due to complacency in the TEA-Republican politics. The Tactical Egotistical Activist(TEA) are prone to get out the vote for their guy only. One has to wonder how Romney will win the presidency, when these guys do not like Romney at all.
Rudy,
The TEA Party will help elect Romney President.
The RNC has already handed Obama his second term, by Nominating a Big Government Liberal to run against him...The Tea Party is no longer a pure movement...But has yet to be completely Co-opted into just another RNC owned Voter block...
A vote for Romney is a death whail, to the Conservative Movement...
I'm sure they will try to. Since their boy Santorum was defeated by Robme's multi million dollar negative ad carpet bombing, they really have no choice but to hold their noses and vote for the guy they despise only slightly less than Obama.
The TEA Party, or teabaggers, will do no such thing. They will sit home and wallow in despair, doing what they do best .. soaking in hot water and seeping, waiting to be drowned in cream and sugar, and sipped by the snobbish GOP.
How is Romney going to win when even Republicans do not like him?
That is the BIG question, isn't it? And even those that back him now will eventually have to ask themselves if they are REALLY backing him or simply going with the flow of what the GOP offered up this year.
Once the debates roll around they will realize there are only two ways to look at Mitt... One is the glass is half empty. The other is the glass is completely empty.
Well it will definitely be a defining moment for the T-Party and the Conservative Movement...
Question 1...We don't Like Obama because he is for Big Government
Question 2...We don't like Obama because he is a Social Liberal
Question 3...We don't like Obama because he is a Democrat
Question 4...We don't like Obama because he is Black
Answer?...A T-Party or Conservative vote for the Big Government, Social Liberal, Democrat in everything but Party affiliation, Mitt Romney is the Answer to which Question....Please, do not force me to admit the Madcow, Fiesty, and the DNC were right all along...
Find a name, any name, any conservative (fiscal or social), alive or dead, whether the know they are running for office or not, and lets show America who we really are
I want ten names, we will begin a write in movement right here right now...a week from now we will have our primary, to kick it off, I nominate Condie Rice....please don't leave me hanging
Gerard1234: We don't want a dead snake for President; You should vote for Obama, if you feel that way!!!
If Barry wins, gold will skyrocket and he will have the last laugh at what used to be the United States of America.... 'to fundamentally change America'. That will be Obama slapping your face Patsy, that will be Obama spitting on you!
If they are holding true to their mantra they wont. Romney is the opposite of what the tea party wants in a candidate.
@ dandy
It will not matter to the outcome, even if the T-Party and Conservative sell out...
As un-reliable as the US News media has become, they are still a for profit business...and as soon as thier coffers are filled with this years election spending, they will open the Liberal floodgates, like they did to all of his conservative primary opponents...and Romney's drop in the polls will make Gingrich, Parry, and Cains fall seem like that of a feather
Red, the Tea Party preferred someone else. That is "prefer" not die for.
Yes, Romney has a habit of ignoring and dissing them, but the bottom line is, they will vote for anybody but Obama because they understand the country cannot survive another 4 years of Obama.
Mr PheaNiques
Using the race card IS practicing racism.
@DB
We don't have to kill the movement, to save the country...we all goto the polls, fill every available seat and the House And Senate...and make the Occupant of 1600 irrelevant...and we use that irrelevant vote to prove to America that don't have to bow to the DNC or RNC
I didn't know any other way to express my frustration with the Conservatives supporting the "white" Big Government Liberal...Romney stands for everything we profess that we are against
As I'm voting to change the leadership at the local and state levels with my TEA candidates. I just might happen to choose to vote in the presidential one. My Mama taught me never to put all the eggs in one basket. Romney might coattail into office. But Obama still has time to campaign the Tea party vote.
If the Tea Partiers have half an ounce of common sense, they'll see Romney for what he is: The Establishment Republican candidate who was nominated because he's the only one of the crew who passed the "electability" test.
George W. Bush was electable, too, and look how "Conservative" he turned out to be. Then again, we should have had a clue. His most successful business venture in his life was when a government agency seized land from private land owners and raised taxes to build a baseball stadium for the team he owned at the time. In short, his greatest financial success came about as a result of big government interventions.
Now we have Romney, who "saved the Olympics" in large part by...you guessed it...citing 9/11 security concerns as a reason to dip his hand deep into the federal coffers and get them to pay a huge portion of the Olympic bill.
Combine this with "I signed Obamacare into law before making its repeal the centerpiece of my Presidential campaign"....and I must ask, is there anyone out there who REALLY believes anything this guy says? Are you REALLY going to vote for him because he's not Obama?
If you're a real Conservative, and not a pumped-up fake like Bush Jr. or Romney, you have a choice.
Gary Johnson, 2012.
Tea parties are for little girls and their imaginary friends.
Gary Johnson, thats 2, 8 more to go
Write in Chuck Baldwin 2012.
Chuck Baldwin that is 3, 7 more to go...tanks
Mr. Phea...
7 more
R.J.Harris, Robby Wells, Wayne Allyn Root, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, Darrell Castle, Laurie Roth
Gary is already on the list...submitted by spartan
Robert Burck. Yee haa.
On July 4, I will post an article with all the names and any info i can find for each....If you are interested, i posted my very first article a few days ago, and am hoping for feedback
Where can I find it?
click on my name, in the Article section at the bottom of my page
+1 to Bob for Laurie Roth
I had never heard of her, but she is the real deal...If you have any interest in supporting a third party candidate, that can make a difference...look into to MS. Roth
8 years of Romney and control of both houses? Interesting theory I guess. Hate to tell you though that the United States may be sick of Obama but are not looking to go as far right as the Tea Party wants to force them. Just as the Liberals lost popularity due to pushing to far left if the conservatives get that much power and push that hard to the right the moderates (Read majority of the country) will kick their asses out too.
You bought into the republican propoganda big time the US is not sick of Obama and the polls show a growing dislike for those of you who failed them when they nedded cooperation in Washington not gridlock. You people did not learn anything from your time fighting Clinton. Obama led this country back from the cliff you left it in the last time you were in charge. The US is doing better than any other country and the private sector unemployment is gettin ready to go below 7%. Only reason for the 8% total is all the republican governors laying of stet and local government employees. Your house of cards is about to collapse once the truth hits the airwaves. I cant believe you bought your own BS
Ereiete-- the deal is, we can change the control of the House back just as easily as we did in 2006 and again in 2010.
MOmaid
very well said, They served their own interests over the interests of the country, who elected them to congress. Bad habits are hard to break. If they stay in We can expect more of the same, or worse, since they think they got away with it.
Let's hope so...
He beat a "crazy" by becoming "crazier"!!! Way to go Republicans! Can't you see what is becoming of You?? The Funny thing is that the "crazies" are only a small percentage of the American Republican crazies! Your policies are everything BUT AMERICAN! How can any American say that it's alright to stop an American from Voting???
Living, dead, legal, illegal, imaginary, they are Americans at Heart...and they should all have the "Right to Vote".....for the democrat of their choice...of course if We don't like what they vote for (or against) then we just have the courts overturn the vote, because then the American Voters don't matter
Nice bind the R's have gotten themselves into by letting the morons run their party. Why are people still listening to this empty-headed bitch?
Stupid is as stupid does.
JM, and One of the--See, I didn't like Sarah Palin's nom for the Veep's job, didn't think she was qualified, and that was bourne out by the 2008 campaign.
But here's the deal--SINCE that time, by hook or by crook, she has made a concerted effort to learn about things she should Have known THEN, and as a result, altho she is still not one of my favorite folks, I have a grudging admiration of how much she has grown.
She is no longer a stupid empty headed person.
How is being registered to vote and showing identification that you are whom you say you are un-american?
you know what is un-american, wanting someone else to pay your way.
Maybe you like it to be like Amer. Idol= text vote up to 50x, use your free obama phone and get an extra 25 votes FREE!
Momaid - The only thing that "sister sarah" has grown is her bank account
Americans or illegals? liberals have trouble distinguishing the two.
The only avenue left for the repub/tparty to get in the WHouse is through their dirty dealings. The repub/tparty pulled a few whamees in their controlled states, starting with the firing of needed and necessary public employees (teachers, firefighters, police, prison guards, sanitation workers, etc.) to increase the unemployment during Prez Obama's first years. Then they legislated for the Voter IDs in every repub/tparty led states, stopping legal voters from the polls. Which reminds me, when is that O"Keefe, that repub/tparty goon, going to be jailed for his voter fraud?
Then they coralled the Catholic Church and Christians into the fray with their 'freedom of religion' chant on contraceptives while restricting or banning abortions, all the while doing away with programs to care and educate these kids. Hypocrites that hide under the guise of religions, yep, that's the repub/tparty way, For ME, not thee.
The repub/tparty has stopped any legislation Prez Obama proposed (even their own) with their poison pills on every bill. The repub/tparty couldn't care less that jobs were lost, as long as their Big Money funders were taken care of on the backs of the working class. Every single bill from the repub/tparty works against the middle class. There are millions of voters who have no understanding of the happenings in Congress and if they vote for a repub/tparty, that is a vote against themselves, their families, their community. Vote Democratic in every election and then stay involved. A Democratic will work for us - for the worker. A repub/tparty works ONLY for the corporate wealthy.
Do you think she knows that Africa is a continent not a country yet?
And you're telling me this woman went from a zero on the intelligence scale to even moderately informed in a few years? LOL
Momaid
Obama was less qualified than Palin as 2009 to date has born out.
@james: Exactly. How can any one party feel it is OK to stop the citizens of the country from voting? And why is it that the ones that they are so concerned about making sure do not vote are the voters that most likely were NOT going to vote for you? Something smell bad about this whole thing.
@pain
That might hold water, if your party wasn't having the courts over rule the voters...
Term Limits keep coming to mind!
I keep hearing term limits ringing in my Ears, and boy does it sound good...but then this thought keep sneaking into my brain...won't this just mean the corrupt politicians are going be selling out bigger and faster to the special interests...and not even have the voter backlash to worry about...and then I get a splitting migraine
Term limits do nothing to address the issue since people keep electing the same person over and over again. All you would do is force them to vote for another hack.
Mr. Pheaniques,
Usually I think your posts are crap...this one...LOVE IT...yea I get to the same line of thought. The only thing we can do is force them back, by law, into the same line of work they were in...ie lawyers...rofl. There was a great article floating around the internet a few days ago something that Warren Buffet proposed: look it up at freedomspeaks dot com. Maybe it will help with the migraine...;) I am with ANYONE here who wants to get the ball rolling and stop all these people from ruining our lives. I have been thinking about starting a website to garner the support we need to change our country. Our constitution has been stepped on, BY BOTH PARTIES. OUR values are no longer their priority. Lets take back america! WHO IS WITH US!!!! :)
Dandy couldn't have said it better.
In Ohio we have term limits. The multi-term representative simply had his wife run (of course she won) and she did whatever he said. Then when he was elligible she declined to run and he is in there again.
The best term limiter is an active, informed, common sense electorate.
That is why Sen. Lugar got dumped in Indiana and Hatch got returned in Utah.
If I was infavor of big government, I would probably suggest something like a fourth branch of Government to continuosly investigate the other three...and they all get bonuses for the criminals they put in jail or on the street
of course if America had a Media that wasn't owned and operated by the DNC or RNC, we probably wouldn't need that
Hatch, John McCain, Bush Sr. and Jr. along with the Clintons and the'
always wonderful Kennedys sat on their collective posteiors while
plotters in Mexico City and their surrogates the ACLU and La Raza stole
our childrens country. Hatch is a RINO always has been. Our democrat
friends must be exstatic in anticipation of Jose and Maria and their
brood of anchor babies ruling over their grandchildren. After all who
is more worthy of the nation, the invaders or our children?
Now we see the true meaning of the Arizona law. It was to force out those who do not vote for the crazies down there not stop the flow of illegals. The solution to the illegals is to enfoce the laws on hiring them and nobody from the right would ever do that because the rich want them here to keep wages down. Term limits only come up when the republicans are not in power. They had 6 years of a rubber stamp president and both houses to pass all the stuff they promised the christians and the Conservativess and all of them go NADA!
"who is more worthy of the nation, the invaders or our children?"
Custer, unless your children are Native America - technically that would make them invaders as well!! And going by your screen name, one would assume not.
Oy vey - it appears we should all start learning Spanish!!!
However, maybe if we gave them back California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida (and threw in Louisiana) - they would leave the rest of us alone?!
No doubt Senator Hatch is going to end up like the late Senator Byrd though, not having a clue where he was half the time and his staff doing all the work. DINOSAURS on both sides of the aisle need to be weeded out, Queen Pelosi among them, before the whole country goes down in flames.
Orca--sorry, but even the 'native Americans' came from somewhere else and took the land. You don't GET to decide that one group gets to have sole rights to it--they LOST. And the same thing happened when any of the Tribes had conflicts with another--ONE won, ONE lost, and frequently was exterminated or enslaved.
But hey--the ILLEGALS coming here thru Mexico have NO claim on this land.
And if THEY try claiming they do, we should remember that just as the tribes that lived on land that is now the US didn't speak ENGLISH, NEITHER did the Aztecs, Toltecs, Maya, Inca etc Speak SPANISH.
Custer Boy - not too prejudiced are you?
Sorry times are changing - go out there and make a lot of white babies - if you can
Not necessarily. Ever hear of Pangaea? Its the reason native Mexicans (not Spaniards) resemble people of asia descent so much. You really should educate yourself.
Custer Boy: My, my. It's nice having a Native American on board. However, it's the immigrants that built this country. Only wish the first 200 years had been more caring. Weren't they Christians?
Gerard1234:
Wrong.
Mandatory use of E-Verify is not, nor ever has been, a part of any of the law suits between feds and states. The feds encourage the use of E-Verify.
Idiot.
Custer
Do you like Justice Thomas, Souter, Roberts, Scalia. They got their because of Senator Hatch.
Yes, he did vote for a few things he shouldn't have, but he is no Susan Collins, Richard Lugar (Obama's favorite Republican), or Olympia Snow who vote with Democrats constantly.
I also agree that there is reasonable concern he may vote too much with the left, just like Senators Voinovich and DeWine did their last years, but we do need to keep some senior people in place. Experience does count.
MOmaid,
Again technically, to invade means to enter by force in order to conquer or pillage, or to enter forcefully as an enemy, ie go into with hostile intent ... whereas the Native Americans simply came as the ORIGINAL settlers (compared to say the Vikings or the Huns which were the terrors of Europe at one time or another along with a whole horde of other invaders)!!
So by your argument, to the victors go the spoils. But then you probably would have supported the notion of "MANIFEST DESTINY" ... which actually is still in play in the mindset of many 21st Century AMERICANS!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny
The world is always changing. If you don't learn to change with it ... you lose.
If Ted Kennedy was still alive, I doubt Hatch would be singing Get Well songs to him this year.
It is time for someone to challenge McConnell, It is really time for new ideas to move this country forward!
A statement I fully support. While we are at it, Cantor and anyone with a name of Rand/Ryan/Paul all need to go as well.
Dam*!
And Uhtred - Hatch is no more honest than the others. In fact, he is one of the biggest hypocrites in the Senate. If you don't believe me, look at his voting history - NOT what he says he does, but what he actually does. There is a significant difference between the two. He rarely votes for 'the people'; he usually votes for the biggest business donors, and his vote can be bought pretty cheaply (check donation records vs. his votes)!
Great post mtkirinyaga .....
Romney does what is best for him , always.
Veterans, military retirees; note that Romney PROMOTED THE DRAFT, then skipped out to France for extraordinary lenth of time when church missionary tours were limited. When Romney came home, he sided with his dad that the whole Viet Nam War was a scam and that he was against the war. His early flip flops, he is good at.
Promoting the draft, while Americans were dieing, he skipped out, then says he wishes he could have participated. Pro church, Anti Americam.
Of course he does, always has. That is what vulture capitalism is all about. That is how he made his millions. And before anyone comes back at me for being anti-capitalism, I am not. Buying up struggling companies and laying people off and/or outsourcing those jobs and then turning those companies for a profit made him millions. Was it good for American workers? Not so much.
Anyone that thinks he is out to help American workers this time around needs to look REAL HARD at who his billionaire backers are and what their history and motives for getting him elected are.
And the overpaid underworked employes of unions have had no effect on that outsourcing in your eyes I am sure,right Insane.Vulture liberalism is the cause of most of the problems we now face with its mantra of no personal responsibility.
You do realize only 12% of the total work force is union right? So the entire outsourcing issue is propagated by 12% of the work force? LOL! You people are ridiculous.
Americans are the most retarded, ignorant people on the planet. Congress has an 11% approval rating. What should we do? I know. Let's re-elect the incumbents. You stupid sheeple get everything you deserve.
Interesting thought...But Hatch is in the Senate. Not Congress.
Congress is a bicameral legislature with two houses; The House of Representatives and The US Senate. So to say Senator Hatch in in Congress is not incorrect. But I do agree we get everything with deserve.
House + Senate = Congress
And yes, I concur, we do get the government we deserve.
Look folks, American politics is much like guitar strings. If the strings are too tight they break, if they are too loose they won't play.
The center is where both parties need to be because that's where the people are.
The TEA party has moved to far to the right and it's scary because they have become extremists and every extremist started out as a conservative.
America will die if the far right wins and at least Hatch's survival is a hopeful sign that the far right will not drag us to the dark side...
TEA = The End of America...
LOL. After you look up the definitions of "extremist" and "conservative", look up the definition of "oxymoron".
Tparty people are not conservatives. They are just plain the same as Alqueda. There is the tparty about 15% of the electorate and the other 85% they think is the hated liberals. That 85% includes liberals moderates left leaning centrists centrists right leaning centrists right leaning moderates and conservatives. One thing about it no nation has survived long when an extreme faction has taken over....
Newbook, I agree with you on the tea Party fringe. But with this caveat, the Wall streeters are JUST as bad on the other side.
The obomination has already started the End of this Country! He will play to what ever gets him attention. He is so brilliant, then why has everything about him been put under lock and key. He is spawned out of the pit. There is nothing about him that is true except he is a deceiver and we all know who the father of all that deceive, is.
Newbook the tea party was born because the leftists have pushed politics so far left in the dem party, and now the far right is pushing back. I dont care for either one but find liberalism far more distastefull and un-American.
Actually they were born because they hate black people. Try again.
Come on people, really? The only thing that will save this country is term limits. We have to get rid of these people who have ruined our country. if you voted for this man you are living a lie. They are killing our country for thier glory. Term limits!! we can do nothing short term, we're in trouble. Term limits and never vote for anyone current. Come on "save this country now".
The problem with the current system is not so much that lame politicians are continually voted into power, its that they sell their soul to the highest bidders to get there, then must appease those same buyers for their entire term. Instead, we need to get MONEY out of the election circus. Set a spending limit on campaigns, set a contribution limit, make a level playing field to enter the race, and stop letting politicians become beholden to special corporate interests. They're there to serve YOU, the people, NOT the corporations.
Republicans save only the rich and pay only big corporations with our tax dollars who do not need it, republicans say no to all parties except their own republican slime!!!!!!
One sided screw every one except the 1% we do not need you!!!!
amen to the win down with obama
Never thought I'd be happy about Orrin Hatch winning something.
Old joke....at a prominent Porno movie company in LA the voicemail has four choices...
For "Long Dong Silver" press 1
For "Medium Dong Silver" press 2
For "Barely Adequate Dong Silver" Press 3
For Senator Orrin Hatch Press 4
Hatch is another Republican Scum-bag LIAR...he is like a tick... that have burned out of office
I think Hatch is a big D-bag. Back when Obama was pushing hard for them to raise the taxes on the rich Hatch said something on the order of "it's about time the middle class started pulling their weight". But pretty much whomever the Mormon Church backs here in Utah is who gets elected. There is no separation of church and state here.
The "Mormon Church" or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does not endorse any candidate. Members are encouraged to get involved, but no one is told who to vote for. Maybe that is why you are under your incorrect impression - the members are involved, but not the LDS Church leadership.
Honestly I don't know of anyone who would vote for someone because they "were told to" anyway. Maybe you would.
If you're from Utah you know as well as I do the Mormon Church runs the state. No amount of saying it's not so is going to make it not true. I've lived here all my life (47 years) and it is clear what's up. Sure they don't come right out and put on the news vote for so and so but it gets known who the church is for and who they are not. That is one reason I won't watch KSL news (local NBC here) because it is ran by the church. Who else is going to be able to buy a main city street and shut it down and make it their own? Or own major shopping complexes that are big money makers and not have to pay taxes? No one but the LDS Church in Utah. I'm not putting the church down I'm just saying what I see and how it is having lived here all my life.
Clearly, "living here," doesn't mean you have a clue about what is real. At no time does the Church tell people who to vote for. People anywhere tend to vote for people they can relate with, or who are most like them. Not because someone told them who to vote for.
BTW, that big money maker you are referring to was a major factor in keeping Utah stable during these past few rough economic years.
And this is slightly off topic, but I am always amazed at how fast people like to point out that churches don't pay taxes, as if they think they should. Personally I think most churches, especially the LDS Church, do a much better job doing good with their money. Giving it to the government instead would be a complete waste and detriment to many people in need.
Hey I'm the first for sticking up for the church on taking care of their own, or others too if they ask. You're out of work they'll let you work in one of their plants making food or whatever for other people that need it. Or they will flat out take care of bills. But there are tons of things the church does own that are flat out corporate things that should not be tax exempt. Hence why they are looking at just that on the new mall they just got done with. But whatever I'm done for the day maybe you can continue this conversation at your local ward on Sunday when you’re "not" talking politics.
Excellent posts, mer! I too live here and concur with all you've said. Wonder if the new City Creek Center is tax-exempt . . . .
At the top is a "Corporation Sole" which is a form of incorporation whereby only one person has "sole" ownership. In this case, it is the senior apostle, who also happens to be the president. His corporation is split into a number of entities, including for profit and not for profit entities. The main not for profit is TCJCLDS, which is not really a church, but is, in fact, a trade style or dba (doing business as). So, technically, one does not belong to the church (other than the church considers you its property to use as it pleases).
The other part of the corporation is the for profit arm, including Deseret Management Corporation.
This group owns various real estate, farms, ranches, companies, etc. The new mall is owned by this entity. As long as the two parts do not commingle money, the not for profit remains as such. The get audited on a regular basis and have some really smart accountants and lawyers who keep it straight.
Hope this helps.
Yes it was City Creek I was talking about.
Ultimately, another loss for the dinosaur republicans. America hates Congress ... both parties, yet these spendosuarus creeps keep winning. Go figure. This two faced clown will "compromise" with the socialists until they own America. Another slide down the slope to bankruptcy and socialism.
In all fairness it was time for Orrin Hatch to retire. I am disappointed that he was re-elected. Although I am not impressed with the Tea Party. Hatch has a strong Mormon base here. I live in a So. Utah town and City Officials came to our Church and talked about the elections and about Orrin Hatch and everyone going out to vote. Yes I am Mormon but this disgusted me. There is NO seperation of Church and State in UTAH.
So, Vicky Bess--did it ALSO bother you when the Mormon church supported Harry Reid???
MOmaid - get your facts straight the Mormon Church never supported Harry Reid - they only support Republicans
If you are going to post here give your back up - out and out misinformation is not acceptable
The LDS Church does NOT endorse or support ANY candidate or party. Did any of you have a clue that one of our former leaders, President Faust, was a Democrat??
It doesn't matter, members are encouraged to be involved. That is it. If you can't figure out the difference between someone who is a member of the church and what you all keep calling "the Mormon Church," then stop making yourself look dumb.
President Faust was in the Utah state legislator from 1949 to 1951. Managed a campaign for Senator Frank Moss who first served in the US senate in 1959. If memory serves me right at that time Ronald Reagan was a democrat too. All of it before my time (born in 64) I can only go by what I have seen myself.
Oh isn't this just wonderfully peachy. Another lifetime senator that has little to nothing in common with me.
shows how far into right wing koo-koo land the republican party is when Hatch winning primary against the tea-potty is big news
As I had mentioned previously about the Politicians in our town that came to the Mormon Church. Orrin Hatch was in town, the politician who did the speach for him said he was. Orrin Hatch is not a good man even if he is Mormon, he is a liar, and has fed off the Federal Gov. for decades, it is sickening. In every Church in our town this same thing happened and it also happened in every other town and city in Utah. This has made me furious because these Church Leaders have Great influence over the Mormon people. I will not and never planned to Vote for Mitt Romney but the same thing is happening in all Mormon communities even out of the State of Utah. Mitt Romney cannot get Elected, he will only be a Puppet just like George W. Bush. I have now quit going to the Mormon Church because of this deceit. They are being very Deceitful and it alarms me. All I can say is no matter if you are Republican or Democrat it will be further DISASTER for our Nation if he gets Elected.
If you don't want to vote for Mitt you better move to another state because with the electro vote system and the fact that I've never seem in my life Utah not go Republican you will be voting for Mitt whether you want to or not. Back in the day it made sense to have the electro vote because there was no way they could really count all the votes. But in today's age with electronics what it is there is no reason that every vote can't be counted. I find it hard to believe that we still today have a system where a person can win the popular vote and still lose an election
Again, Vicki Bess, I'll bet you have no problem with Harry Reid, and the church supporting HIS re-election.
And HE's an old timer too.
It appears the Mormon Church contributed big time to defeat Prop 8 in CA. Tell me the church stays out of politics. Boo! Where does that put the Catholic hierarchy in all this politicking? These religionistas hardly follow what they preach unless it increases their membership.
Hatch may have won and will end up with millions after he has given away trillions: look at his voting record.
But Utah has lost: that is another dumb state: l25,000 children had their social security numbers stolen so many will not even be aware of it and when they do they will end up in jail and with years of problems: stolen by illegals.
The state gave Drivers Licensees to illegals, too. So all they have to do is go to other States who will know.
When a gov treats illgals or give them Special Treatment: yet US Citizens have to go by the law: chaos, and with the continued influx and abundance of heathen breeders via sperm donor exponentials on our entire Health Care system, public housing, welfare from womb to tomb: it won't be long before we will be beyond a Depression but will have a Civil War.
Basically it has already begun when gangs out gun the police thanks to BATF and Sanctuary Cities and States who do not enforce their laws and do not protect their citizens whom are law abiding.
Now with the Kenyan god king appointing devout Muslim to Hoemland Insecurity to watch US Citizens on the internet etc: along with The Race=666=LaRaza(what would refer to themselves as "the race!"
and of course the invasion of foreigners continuing to purchase our roads, businesses, steal our manufacturing and intellectual properties while sending us landfills of poison: we no longer even feed or cloth ourselves...we are owned SOLD by our own coward TRAITORS WITHIN and this President illegal with his 102 Un Cons titutional Socialist CZARS has just declared WAR on us OFFICIALLY by making his priority ILLEGALs The DREAM ACT and continuing the invasion on USA soil.
But what does UTAH care: they don't send their sons to be systematically sacrificed on foreign soil: how did you think we became a nation?
Don't do what I say--do what I do isn't in most peoples existence.
READ "The Harbinger" we have been warned...temples unto ourselves and a lot of other..
You are a sick sick person.
Bleary, not really, this guy (Stop USA) is just honest enough to say what most on the right actually believe. They usually temper their hate and animosity with a kind of weird wave the flag, hot dogs, apple pie, what happened to the good old days crap that tired old white guys spout when they complain about the state of the country. Their actual agenda is about securing as much wealth and power for the 1% as they possibly can before they become a powerless minority.