Amazing, we actually have a few DEMOCRATS that want to know the TRUTH!!!! I don't believe it. Considering that this F&F was an INVASION and INCURSION of a SOVERIGN Nation. Here is the list of PEOPLE that SHOULD have known, Anything short of this is INSANE thinking. People that would be called upon to approve the invasion. OBAMA, HOLDER, CLINTON, the HSA, FBI, CIA, and the border patrol LEADERSHIP. Yes this is far worse then Watergate.

Thank you Fortune, the truth as most Americans already knew is finally out. And for this revelation, Rep's Issa and Mica should be stripped of their titles and led out of the house in shackles, never to return again, for advancing lie after lie in their failed political attempt to embarrass AG Holder and the White House. But what else could be expected of men with absolutely no integrity???

To call what they perpetrated as a witch hunt is being far too kind. They knew it was a lie from the start and still they obsessed in the false claim that America must know; BS to the max!!!

Let me get this straight, WE INVADE another Nation, Supply ILLEGAL GUNS to known drug dealers, ( Its totally against the law to own any GUNS IN MEXICO PERIOD) Then we have thosands of Mexican Natinals and a few Americans killed off. AND NO ONE at the ADMINISTRATION WH LEVEL has any clue of what is going on???? RIGHT. ONLY DEMOCRATS and RETARDS would buy this one.

Folks all ya Heard from da TeaBilly’s for the past few years is:

We want our Country Back.

We Cleaned up or Rally really Nice.

Now all ya hear is:

Anybody but Obama.

It Shows ya how they have no Leadership, Direction, Solutions or Substance and have Lowered all Expectations and Standards.

You Bet Cha….Fer Sure.

Mitt is about as Real as a Plastic Bananna!

Is it Mitt ____________Romney?

“Country Club”

“Middle Class Warfare”

“Not To Much..Out of Touch”

“Cheap Labor is Our Future”

“Outsourcing is Awesome”

“Profits Over People”

“Corporations are People Too”

“F da Poor”

“Let Detroit go Bankrupt”

“Pray da Gay Away”

Mitt Romney’s Solution to all Problems…….Prayer and a Moment of Silence.

Call HIllary to the Stand, Trust me THE US STATE DEPT was involved, as were the President, FBI, CIA, HSA and JUSTICE. This was to big a mission to let a lone wolf manage it.

Fast and Furious is really a P o r n— F l I c k about Two male Republican Lobbyist bending Cantor over while he is Sceaming ……..”Treat me like da Middle Class”. You Bet Cha……Fer Sure.

With money being the lifeblood of politicians, it stands to reason that the NRA along with other powerful lobbying groups can manipulate congress,the senate, the white house, the supreme court, federal courts, state courts, traffic courts, tennis courts, racquetball ball courts, ....

I like guns. I own several. But i don't like the NRA. They're not just about defending the 2nd Amendment anymore. They push a right wing radical agenda that would make a Nazi blush. Just who the hell does NRA think it is to tell a congressman how to vote. Shame on you NRA for trying to exercise authority that you do not have. It is you NRA who gives gunowners a bad name.

You know its bad when dems wont even go to the convention. they dont want anything to do with Obama and his failure. they even had to move the event because they didnt raise enough money. people are fed up with Obama his policies have failed. just like Romney said pack your bags. HOPE FOR CHANGE 2012

Just like Hitlers Nazi party, the only political group that want to take your GUNS away is the NRA and the white supremacist groups. That way when they get ready to take over, which today they do hold 33% of Congress, that is all Hitler held, when he took over, These people are the only ones I ever hear talk about Gun Control. If you don't join their groups, then they will kill you to take your guns away, just like the NAZI"S, Tell your Democratic Congress person to vote against contempt. Every President has used their powers, look at George Bush and his made up war, how many American lives did his little white lie cost, and he used Presidenial Privilege. Wake up America before another fascist take over this Country.

If you are tired of the Republicians dragging their feet everytime they are faced with a law that will help the Americian people. They drag their feet and cry foul everytime they need to help us. We need Health Care for every Americian, because we can't afford the high cost of insurance. We can't afford the high cost of Hospital charges, we can't afford to pay double for our children's College educaation. What is wrong with you people? The Republicians will help the NRA to take you guns away, so they can control Government. Wake up America, before the Nazi's take over.

I am sick of these phony and costly smear campaigns by the GOP. Pelosi should have impeached Bush/Cheney when she had the chance. There was plenty of evidence; she would not have needed to search for nonexistent evidence like Issa is doing. The Dems need to grow a pair and put the repubs down like the dogs that they are- once and for all.

"A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust."

That's the subtitle of an "investigation" from Fortune Magazine today, or in other words, a full out distortion and dismissal of the facts in the Fact and Furious case. The article is long and I'm not going to take the time to debunk the entire thing, but just a few points.

First, the article gives a full defense of corrupt ATF Supervisor David Voth while smearing gun dealers as massive suppliers of drug cartels.

Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."

By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.

Fact: During Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers repeatedly emailed Voth, asking whether guns they were selling under orders from ATF, were ending up in the wrong hands. Voth assured them they were not. More than two thousands guns trafficked into Mexico and hundreds of dead victims later, that turned out to be a lie. Gun dealers repeatedly raised concerns about ATF telling them to allow straw purchasers using false ID and loads of cash to buy weapons. In 2010, a gun dealer email Voth because a straw purchaser had placed a large order and the dealer wanted to know if he should order more stock. Once again, so he could comply with ATF's order to sell. Voth told him, go right ahead. Order the guns, sell to the bad guys.

On June 17, 2010 a concerned dealer wrote, "As per our discussion about over communicating I wanted to share some concerns that came up. Tuesday night I watched a segment of a Fox News report about firearms and the border. The segment, if the information was correct, is disturbing to me. When you, Emory and I met on May 13th I shared my concerns with you guys that I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our converstation with you and vaious ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in wrong hands. I know it is an ongoing investigation so there is limited information you can share with me. But as I said in our meeting, I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the rish of agents [sic] safety because I have some very close firends that are U.S. Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents [sic] safety that protect our country. If possible please email me back and share with me any reassurances that you can. As always thank you for your time and I send this email with all respect and a heart felt concern to do the right thing."

Voth sent an email on April 2, 2010 saying, "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during the month of March alone, to include numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles," he went on, "I believe we are righteous in our plan to dismantle this entire organization and to rush in to arrest any one person without taking in to account the entire scope of the conspiracy would be ill advices to the overall good of the mission." In another email, Voth mentioned 1200 people killed in March 2010, yet still called the program "righteous."

You can read more about Voth here.

Next, the Fortune article claims officials directly involved in Fast and Furious never intentionally trafficked guns into Mexico and and actually seized guns.

Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

The guns sold during Fast and Furious didn't "eventually fall into criminal hands," they were put there intentionally as soon as ATF approved the sale of those guns to guys they knew were straw purchasers before they even walked through the door of the gun dealerships. Not to mention, weapons were never seized until they were found at violent crime scenes; 1400 remain missing.

And of course, according to Fortune, this whole Fast and Furious scandal has been drummed up by...right wing bloggers!

How Fast and Furious reached the headlines is a strange and unsettling saga, one that reveals a lot about politics and media today. It's a story that starts with a grudge, specifically Dodson's anger at Voth. After the terrible murder of agent Terry, Dodson made complaints that were then amplified, first by right-wing bloggers, then by CBS. Rep. Issa and other politicians then seized those elements to score points against the Obama administration, which, for its part, has capitulated in an apparent effort to avoid a rhetorical battle over gun control in the run-up to the presidential election. (A Justice Department spokesperson denies this and asserts that the department is not drawing conclusions until the inspector general's report is submitted.)

Right, exposing the horrors of this scandal according to Fortune is simply bloggers, CBS and Issa "amplifying" "complaints" made by ATF Whistleblower John Dodson. More like, telling the truth, Fortune.

Also, Fortune quotes an IRS agent, but why was the IRS involved in Operation Fast and Furious? Because the IRS in partnership with ATF were giving gun dealers participating in the program advice about how to do their taxes with such a large inflow of cash.

And of course, the Fortune article mocks Arizona for being a pro-Second Amendment state while implying the reason for cartel violence in Mexico is because of limited gun control laws in the state when it was ATF who was deliberately trafficking weapons directly to the cartels in Mexico and doing nothing about it. This is simply an attempt to put a sliver of reasonable doubt into the minds of potential jurors should supervisors like Voth face criminal prosecution down the road.

The rest of my rebuttle to Fortune can be completed by reading my book.

Becca Watkins, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform spokeswoman, has issued the following statement:

“Fortune’s story is a fantasy made up almost entirely from the accounts of individuals involved in the reckless tactics that took place in Operation Fast and Furious. It contains factual errors – including the false statement that Chairman Issa has called for Attorney General Holder’s resignation – and multiple distortions. It also hides critical information from readers – including a report in the Wall Street Journal – indicating that its primary sources may be facing criminal charges. Congressional staff gave Fortune Magazine numerous examples of false statements made by the story’s primary source and the magazine did not dispute this information. It did not, however, explain this material to its readers. The one point of agreement the Committee has with this story is its emphasis on the role Justice Department prosecutors, not just ATF agents, played in guns being transferred to drug cartels in Mexico. The allegations made in the story have been examined and rejected by congressional Republicans, Democrats, and the Justice Department.”

Holder=Obama ship is sinking fast and some of the wiser Democrats are starting to abandon ship. Survival instincts are kicking in!

The Democrats better brace for a lot more than defections. Holder is going to be lucky if he stays out of jail. Obama might be able to protect him for awhile, but his sorry A$$ is in big trouble.

Remember at the State of the Union address 2 years ago when Obama berated the Supreme Court and Holder stood up and clapped in their faces?

Well, this executive privilege the President is claiming so he can protect Holder is likely to end up in the Supreme Court. I wonder if Holder would like to stand up and mock the Justices now?

Get Holder and vote Obama out!

I am a firm advocate of someone owning a firearm as they keep the crime of the religious right at bay of invading a persons home to make them believe as the religious of the Church of England wants an America to believe.

The reason that so many have firearms stems from the Revolutionary War days when British soldiers were allowed to enter into a colonials home stay there and make the family serve them without regard for theirself and their own families well being.

If all of those firearms are removed then crime WOULD increase as would the crazies in the right wing trying to force their way back into the homes of Americans just like the British did.

.....however the NRA has not done enough to curtail the sales of illegal firearms of which the recent Fast and the Furious campaign netted a 90% seizure of firearms sold illegally into Mexico of which most likely those sales came as a result of NRA backed Americans selling firearms to Mexico.

It wasn't the American government that sold the weapons to Mexico.

Eric Holder has not done anything but protect the country by trying to enforce strict gun legislation so that illegal sales of firearms into Mexico, which are then sold back into America on the black market that are used in crimes against Americans was reduced.

Guns do not kill Americans.

The idiot behind the trigger is the one who kills Americans.

This operation, Fast and Furious, was done without the consent or knowledge of the Mexican government. Mexican criminals were armed with weapons obtained from gun dealers in the United States with the approval of the Department of Justice.

Approval for something like that has to come from the highest authority. Holder claimed he and the President didn't know about it. If that turns out not to be true, one or both of these guys are in deep Kimchi.

Anybody care to bet if more that 31 democrats vote w/ the republicans?

Do you know why we have so many blacks incarcerated in prisons? Because they have no respect for the law. Now we have a President and Attorney General that have no respect for the law. Maybe they should be in prison also.

Any Democrat who would vote to hold Holder in contempt because they are scared of the NRA doesn't deserve the position. It is curious. We always say we dont negotiate with terrorists and the NRA are nothing but a bunch of lunatic terrorists. Not gun owners. I am talking about the upper echelons of the NRA. They are barking mad.

How can anyone hold in high regard the NRA, who once fought tooth and nail not to have "teflon" or betten known as cop killer bullets because they can go thru and police officers bullet proof vest banned? That just shows you the kind of evil crooks who care nothing about anyone but profit. And if you ask most cops , they hate the NRA for that reason and the reason they don't want assault rifles banned. I go hunting. There is not absolutely one use for assault weapons for hunting. If the deer were wearing bullet proof vests they I could understand. The NRA is one of the most digusting lobbies ever to take over congress.

they should vote to hold holder in contempt because its the right thing to do, not because of the NRA

A feeble attempt by MSN to create a "boogie-man"(NRA), and claim that if not for pressure from the right, POOR Obama/Holder would not be in this fix, "whys everybody always picking on me"?

Just like in the case of Lewinsky, the lamestream media did its level best to "attack" Clinton's persecutors. As if, it wasn't for Ken Starr, Clinton would have never given Monica a second glance. And the liberals are now all crying foul because Holder is under a microscope, and Holder did not go "rouge" in this, Obama is up to his over-sized ears on this as well.

Ya did the crime Eric, turn over the evidence and take your medicine. And if this is the "only thing"( I could name 20, but time constraints) that causes Obama to lose his chance for re-election, all the better. And admit it Democrats if you were able to destroy a Republican candidate( Cain, Perry, Bauchman ) you libs would be right up on it, pay backs are a beech........huh?