"We do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the Oval Office" said our great President as thunder clapped.

See our President is in tune with the universe!!!

NitMitt you're out of tune.

4ward for 44

Bammmm Fired Up; Ready to Go

Obama/Biden 2012

WASHINGTON (AP) — Mary Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney, has married her longtime partner, Heather Poe. In a statement, Cheney and his wife, Lynne, said the couple got married in Washington on Friday.

The Cheneys said the two had been in a committed relationship for many years and they were delighted that they could take advantage of the "opportunity to have the relationship recognized." The District of Columbia and six states — Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York and Vermont — have legalized gay marriage. Mary Cheney and Poe have two children.

In the 2004 election, Republicans backing the ticket of President George W. Bush and Cheney pushed for state ballot initiatives rejecting gay marriage. More recently, President Barack Obama expressed his support for same-sex marriage.

Off message, but Darth Vaders Daugher marries her partner. It's the only good thing about Cheney, he, thank God, loves his Daughter more than politics!

chilled

Off message, but Darth Vaders Daugher marries her partner. It's the only good thing about Cheney, he, thank God, loves his Daughter more than politics!

Yea, but I don't think his daughter voted for him.

Yea, but I don't think his daughter voted for him.

Bev.....too funny!

"We need a president that will fight for American jobs, for American manufacturing." - Obama

Kinda like Obama's GM, where we not only get the tax payer's billions to bail-out unions while GM moves more operations to other countries like China ... while we transfer American technology i.e. even new tax payer funded green technology.

How about new cutting-edge battery technology, touted as batteries made in America, by Americans for America and paid for by American taxpayers .... NOW GOING TO RUSSIA.

Ener1 which was supposed to rejuvenate the American auto industry - lead the world in green energy and technology, after receiving big Obama stimulus money, state and local money ... goes bankrupt ... is bought by Russians .... and moved to Russia.

Don't worry, Russia isn't stupid enough to do this so they can build the Volt, nope, they want the military technology applications. And they get them complete with Obama military contracts! We pay them for us to give it away.

You want to talk about GE ... Obama's job czar's company? How many light bulbs are now made in America? Doesn't matter ... light bulbs are nothing compared to the big stuff GE has moved.

Or how about the latest numbers on Obama's green dreams - where his own numbers reveal that all those hundreds of thousands of new green jobs ended up being about 900 jobs at almost TEN MILLION A JOB!

And the funny part is that of those 900 permanent green jobs, many are jobs such as janitor, completely unrelated to green.

Obama's own guy admitted to Congress that janitors that empty the trash at green companies count as a a green jobs .... lobbyists that lobby for green companies are green jobs ......

Sheesh ....

Romney outsourcing?

America has the highest corporate tax rates in the world.

What do you think is the bigger problem ... the tax rates that drive companies lock stock and barrels of jobs overseas .... or Romney trying to save companies on the verge of bankruptcy, trying to save a little cost by having someone pick up a call for a credit application/customer service/whatever overseas ..... TWENTY YEARS AGO?

Yea ... Obama has a real winner with this one.

Oh my. The Republicans are going to have to change their rhetoric on outsourcing now.

Sheesh. Cant' make this @!$%# up folks.

There goes "no source" Bob pulling more stuff out of his backside.

There goes "no source" Bob pulling more stuff out of his backside.

Would that be the same Bobby whose designer jeans carry the label "Coleman"?

As anyone who has done their homework knows, GE is bringing 70% of it's manufacturing back to the US by the end of 2014. The company is building 4 manufacturing centers in the US and has already started producing a number of products here.

No one from the Obama administration has EVER said a janitor's job counts as a green job. How far will the far right go with their ignorance - that remains to be seen.

Had the GOP not blocked Obama's proposal to give tax breaks to companies that bring jobs back to the US, we would have more jobs here.

Yet, in spite of the GOP a number of companies are bringing jobs back.

Obama/Biden 2012 because we can't afford a loser like Romney running the country!

Here's a source for you:

General Motors Co. announced Monday at the Beijing auto show that it will begin building its all-new 2013 Cadillac XTS sedan in China this year and later will bring the ELR luxury electric coupe in the country.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120423/AUTO0103/204230371#ixzz1yZJoj0XG

here's another one:

The Chicago Tribune(you have heard of the Chicago Tribune, right Feisty?)

U.S.-backed battery company's sale to Russian tycoon sparks anxiety

U.S. sunk millions into battery technology with military applications, but now it's in foreign hands

April 08, 2012|By Julie Wernau

Batteries made in America for America and backed by America. That's how politicians hailed Ener1.

The company tapped the country's top scientists at Argonne National Lab in Illinois, and U.S. taxpayers pledged up to $118 million in federal stimulus funds and $80 million in state and local incentives to help Ener1 produce cutting-edge battery technology for electric cars and the U.S. military.

"This is about the future. And the question is which nation is going to seize the future. Some nation is going to grab it by the throat. One of the nations of the world is going to lead the world in green energy and technology," Vice President Joe Biden said in January 2011 in a speech praising federal support for Ener1 at its facility in Indiana.

That nation, it turns out, is Russia.

Here's a source for you:

WCA - supposedly has a wife & kids... and yet here he is on a Friday evening spreading his manure!

Does your family hate you so much, you have to come to FR searching for a little troll ♥ on a Friday night? lmao!

Why aren't you doing something with your kids... dead-beat daddy?

What a sad little non-existence you live...

Looking for some cyber-love in all the wrong places... pal...

PS: Have you figured out how you're going to survive without having SpankMe's apron to hide behind for the next week?

When confronted with traveling solo - YOU SUCK!

Says the broad who was on here first this morning, all day and still now.

You are the definition of hypocrite.

What a sad little non-existence you live...

Yes you must.

I notice you had nothing to say about the substance of the sources.

General Motors Co. announced Monday at the Beijing auto show that it will begin building its all-new 2013 Cadillac XTS sedan in China this year and later will bring the ELR luxury electric coupe in the country.

Wanna know why? Because China has a law that if you want to sell something there, you have to build it there. Too bad we don't have the same thing. We used to. And btw, lets set the record straight, the DetNews is nothing but a rough roll of republican toilet paper.

Bagging on the Detroit News?

Really? Tell me what about the report is not accurate.

Man you guys are getting desperate.

Don't you all ever get tired of making excuses for Obama?

All day every day here at First Read.

Sad. Really sad.

Have a great weekend.

tonybeeerm -

There goes "no source" Bob pulling more stuff out of his backside.

Are you too obtuse, too slight of information / knowledge to even challenge something, especially something just pulled out of "backside?"

Gosh I can rip you guys all day for that.

Last time I do your homework for ya .... the Ener1 stuff was from IBD Editorial dated 04/04/2012 - Obama's Investment In Ener! Pays Off For Russia ... the green job stuff was from IBD Editors again dated 06/21/2012 - Obama's Green-Jobs Fraud Exposed

Feisty -

Would that be the same Bobby whose designer jeans carry the label "Coleman"?

I have heard of Coleman lanterns, tents, camping equip .... jeans?

Gosh and I thought I was familiar with butt crack high fashion ... but then again ... I never considered vodka soaked watermellon as an elegant aperitif.

SheeshkingSanity -

No one from the Obama administration has EVER said a janitor's job counts as a green job. How far will the far right go with their ignorance - that remains to be seen.

Actually it worse than that ... Roach Coach drivers are considered green jobs if they stop at a green plant under construction!

From the previously mentioned (above) source ....

Can the people who operate the food trucks that feed these construction workers on their lunch break be said to have green jobs?

Yes, they can, according to John Galvin, the Bureau of Labor Statistics' acting commissioner.

Galvin was recently grilled by GOP Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who questioned whether jobs were classified as "green" based on their characteristics or whether they were so classified "for political purposes" and to make President Obama's green energy program less of a failure.

"Does someone who sweeps the floor at a company that makes solar panels — is that a green job?" Issa asked. "Yes," replied Galvin, who also acknowledged that a bike-repair shop clerk, a hybrid-bus driver, any school bus driver, used-record store employees and "the guy who puts gas in a school bus" are all defined as green jobs.

Galvin even said a lobbyist working on environmental issues would be classified as having a green job.

Feisty, I'm not saying or infering SheeshkingSanity is stupid, but would you explain to her that janitors are the people that sweep floors .... she's kinda busy at work today, only had time to post 40 comments today - but doesn't have time to think.

Thanks Feisty.

@Seeking Really 70%?

This is GE investing In Turkey

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-11/general-electric-to-invest-900-million-in-turkey-in-3-years-1-.html

I couldn't find a single article to back up 70%. As you always tell everyone else, where's your proof?

Says the broad who was on here first this morning, all day and still now

Little buddy - don't piss yourself over this!

You got busted - and for once it would be nice to see you take it like a man! ☺

Sadly, we know that will never happen, coming from the party of personal responsibility UNTIL it pertains to YOU! lol

In the meantime, I'm sure your brats appreciate their daddy dicking around on a computer rather then spending some quality time with them...

Then again, raising the next generation of racists takes no work - all they have to do is listen to the bull@!$%# their father talks about over their "Happy Meal" dinner...

PS: Little ass-hat - do YOU seriously think calling me a broad is going to insult me? Not on your BEST day.... lmao!

Hey WCA -

Thanks for the back-up.

Sometime, to make it interesting, maybe one of us should argue the lib side.

The guys really aren't very good at his stuff, huh.

Oh well, it is only 8 libs - 2 conservatives right now .... no need for me.

Have a good weekend, WCA.

(CNN) -- Senate negotiators were closing in on an agreement Friday to extend for one year lower interests rates on some student loans, Senate aides from both parties told CNN.

The aides predicted a deal would be reached and the legislation approved before the July 1 deadline when Stafford loans are set to double from 3.4% to 6.8%.

Democratic and Republican lawmakers have agreed for weeks to extend the low rates but have differed on how to off-set the $6 billion in federal subsidies so they don't increase the deficit.

A Democratic aide said negotiators were close to an agreement that would draw ideas from both parties for offsetting the costs. They would include higher fees businesses would pay to the federal government to insure pensions, something that Democrats proposed. And limiting the length of time students get for an in-school interest rate subsidy, something Republicans proposed.

The news was less positive for passage of the highway bill, the mammoth funding bill for roads, bridges and highways. A Democratic aide said while much progress has been made on the bill, GOP insistence on including a provision related to the Keystone pipeline could prove insurmountable.

Last time I do your homework for ya .... the Ener1 stuff was from IBD Editorial dated 04/04/2012 - Obama's Investment In Ener! Pays Off For Russia ... the green job stuff was from IBD Editors again dated 06/21/2012 - Obama's Green-Jobs Fraud Exposed

Okay, so were supposed to believe the obvious right wing publication as a fair and credible source, right? Geez Bob, you claim to be good at this stuff. You just sound angry to me. Did the missus leave you? Sorry 'bout that. But one could hardly blame her. I'm sure the verbal abuse is enough to make anyone want to get the f--k away.

The guys really aren't very good at his stuff, huh.

What stuff is that, Bob, being a jerk and an idiot? You win! LMAO.

Bagging on the Detroit News?

Yep. Get free copies at restaurants because they can't sell any. Read the editorials, laugh my a$$ off, then take it home so the dog can take a dump on it. He once hit Nolan Finley right in the face with one of his turds. For those who don't know who Nolan Finley is, he looks just like Frasier Craine and is as whacked as some of the rwnj's on here.

And Mitt Romney is where on the transportation bill, that would put millions of unemployed people back to work?

Oh right - he demands the Keystone pipeline part of the bill, which would put how many to work? Hundreds? A thousand?

He is a despicable person to do this to the unemployed.

What real achievement does Romney have to run on? Hahaha, and this is only the beginning. I don't understand why Romney doesn't just shut up and enjoy his wealth.

Washington Post - Fact Checker

4 Pinocchios for Obama’s newest anti-Romney ad

Regarding the outsourcing claims, we have frowned on these before. The Obama campaign rests its case on three examples of Bain-controlled companies sending jobs overseas. But only one of the examples — involving Holson Burns Group — took place when Romney was actively managing Bain Capital.

Regarding the other claims, concerning Canadian electronics maker SMTC Manufacturing and customer service firm Modus Media, the Obama campaign tries to take advantage of a gray area in which Romney had stepped down from Bain — to manage the Salt Lake City Olympics — but had not sold his shares in the firm. We had previously given the Obama campaign Three Pinocchios for such tactics.

The Modus Media case is also not an example of shipping jobs overseas. The company closed one plant in California and transferred the jobs to North Carolina, Washington and Utah. At the same time, it opened an unrelated plant in Mexico. The Obama campaign once trumpeted the fact that we had dinged a conservative Super PAC for making the same leap in logic.

The claim that Romney outsourced jobs as governor is equally overblown.

Yay, go negative early and often. But wait, the president talked about his own plans:

"We need a president who will fight for American jobs and fight for American manufacturing. That's what my plan will do, that's why I'm running for a second term," he said. "Let's stop giving tax breaks to businesses that ship jobs and factories overseas, let's reward companies that create jobs and manufacturing right here in the United States of America."

Sounds good to me, and a whole lot better than "trickle-down" tax cuts for the rich!

Then again, raising the next generation of racists takes no work - all they have to do is listen to the bull@!$%# their father talks about over their "Happy Meal" dinner...

Look at me, I can't debate the article, so I just call WCA a racist. Why? Because MSNBC says if I can't defend the Liberal why, call people racist and try to make them feel bad. God you people are funny as hell!!! Sorry for saying God if I offended anybody.

Pat -

Mammouth funding bills (on borrowed money) for roads, bridges and highways never grew the economy - never got us out of the 30's and won't grow the economy now - get us out of Obama's, the worst recovery since the 30's.

Simple historical / economic fact.

Obama has spent $5 trillion and unemployment is still at 10%+ (in real terms according to the CBO and everyone with any sense.)

Obama has proven the Keynesian crap doesn't work ... give it up.

On the other hand, the Keystone Pipeline will create 20,000 immediate jobs and as many as 500,000 indirect jobs - and that is coming from the conservative stalwart - Mark Ayers, past head of the AFL-CIO Building and Construction Trades.

Sheesh ... even unions want it because they know it produces sustainable jobs.

Oh yea .... IT DOESN'T COST A PENNY!

What is wrong with you guys?

Hey Tony -

Okay, so were supposed to believe the obvious right wing publication as a fair and credible source, right? Geez Bob, you claim to be good at this stuff.

Gee Tony, or if you were any good at this stuff you could have googled Ener1 bankruptcy Russia and had 240,000 hits in a third of a second.

You just sound angry to me.

Why would I be angry.

Over a couple of years, John Des Moines got in a pretty funny jab that I walked into once, I once stated Obama promised instead of projected (regarding 8% unemployment) and libs were jumping out of the tree house to try to bounce me ... but mostly I come here (less lately), make my comments and (like your inept effort) - don't get touched.

But that's no big deal ... No Joe and JoAnnaSmith are a lot better and have been doing it longer. WCA has great comments, Bill Fairfax is great, Roy Wilson is awesome with the stats and commons sense rejoinders, Spanky is fun and light yet always makes poignant points ..... there are lots of great conservative commenters, all different styles .... and we are winning the debate everyday - big change here at FR from a few years ago. More importantly, conservatives are winning the national debate.

Angry? ... nah.

Constantly amazed at the willful ignorance, the abject denial and depraved defense of Obama's ineptness and deceit by the libs ... uh, yea.

Gosh, not very good at perception either, huh? Nice projection of anger though.

Did the missus leave you? Sorry 'bout that. But one could hardly blame her. I'm sure the verbal abuse is enough to make anyone want to get the f--k away.

More clueless projection?

What stuff is that, Bob, being a jerk and an idiot? You win! LMAO.

And who was the jerk that came after whom ... made the crack about no sources without challenging anything ... references to pulling out of backside.

Who is the idiot that hasn't refuted one thing, lacks the mental capacity to challenge or defend ... has to resort to ad hominem to try to save face?

Anyway, thanks for demonstrating - for providing another example of not only someone that isn't very good at this stuff, but actually sucks at it.

I hate to sound like a jerk, but when (if ever), you can discuss or actually challenge something instead of the idiotic ad hominem, feel free to get back to me.

The comment about the US having the "the highest corporate taxes in the world" is inaccurate and disengenuous. While the base tax rate is the highest, the EFFECTIVE tax rate (defined as what is really paid) averages out about 25% making the US VERY competitive in the international market. In fact, according to a GAO report from July of 2008 (the most recent study) they show that as much as 55% of all US owned corporations had no (that's zero) tax liability for at least one year between 1998 and 2005. (source: www. gao.gov/newitems/d08957.pdf)

The effective tax rate (paid) is lower than Germany, China, Japan, and Canada among others (source: www. businessinsider.com/corporate-tax-breaks-2011-2).

Small business sole-proprieter average an effective tax rate of 13.3% (source: //archive. sba.gov/advo/research/rs343.pdf )

Hey Bobo - just the fact that you're up at 2:30 in the morning responding is payment enough for me. Get over yourself dude. All of those big words, yet no one cares about what you say except maybe your little a$$ friend White Collar Auto. My mission is to get under your skin and piss you off. Looks like i'm succeeding.

Keystone's estimates of 20,000 jobs is a misdirection. Keystone has admitted that they defined a job as one person employed for one year. Effectively this could mean something like 10,000 people employed for 2 years each. They also stated that approximately 13,000 of the jobs will be direct in the US. They estimate 7,000 jobs in the US manufacturing sector making stuff to support the pipeline. However, these are temporary jobs, not long-term or sustainable. The estimate on the number of permanent jobs is in the hundreds not thousand.

The estimate of "as many as 500,000" indirect jobs is based on a presumed increase of a $521 billion increase in US gross domestic product. This estimate is seriously flawed as it is projected over a 35 year time period, assumes a minimum 30% increase in demand for crude oil, assumes a price point of $200 per barrel, assumes stable currency valuation, assumes readily available resources to support operations, and assumes no green technology or other alternative fuel sources. (source: www. scribd.com/doc/57857345/Canadian-Energy-Research-Institute-oilsands-report-2011 )

A Cornell study states that the pipeline may lead to to a long term DECLINE in jobs because it will directly increase the cost of gas in the Midwest. (source: www. ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf )

There is also a generally mistaken assumption that the oil that is being shipped through the US will remain here. This is not the case. The oil will go into the global market. The only way it "stays in the US" is if we pay premium dollars for it.

OBAMA IN 2012.

Matthew - great post. Anyone with any kind of information knows "500,000" jobs will not be created by the pipeline - which every Republican governor whose state it was to run through wanted voted down.

Still looking for where I read 70% of GE back in US but I did find the following:

As Reuters reported, a http://s0.2mdn.net/3226142/centurylink_interstitial_v1_4-23.htm?t=10&cT=http%3A//ad.doubleclick.net/click%253Bh%253Dv8/3c9d/2/0/%252a/d%253B254573246%253B0-0%253B0%253B17653628%253B255-0/0%253B47873497/47888825/1%253B%253B%257Eaopt%253D2/0/db/0%253B%257Esscs%253D%253f&l=http%3A//www.bizjournals.com/profiles/company/us/ma/boston/boston_consulting_group/3214703/" class="ct saveLink">Boston Consulting Group study found that more than a third of manufacturing executives interviewed are considering "reshoring" jobs. Among firms with more than $10 billion in revenue, nearly half plan to move jobs back to the United States from China.

The report cited companies such as General Electric Co. (NYSE: GE), which moved some appliance production back to Louisville from China and Mexico, and Ford Motor Co. (NYSE: F), which has expanded U.S. automotive production.

It's a start but obviously more is needed.

I see little Bobbie-1805084 - is trying to be condescending - thinks it makes him a big boy. Sorry -it just makes you look foolish and inadequate. Perfect words for you!

Hey Bobo - just the fact that you're up at 2:30 in the morning responding is payment enough for me.

Hey Tony!

Be VWERY VWERY quite - Bobo is without a doubt sleeping it off!

Someone sure was burning some serious midnight oil! lol

Poor little Bobo - 2:30 in the morning & the little guy is still up pumping out his venom!

Talk about having NO life! lmao

Feisty - either sleeping it off or had absolutely nothing to do last night!

Feisty - just called and left you a message. Will try again later.

Hey Bobo - just the fact that you're up at 2:30 in the morning responding is payment enough for me.

Just the fact that it didn't dawn on you that there is more than one zone is payment enough for me.

Just the fact that Feisty and Seeking came along, and repeated your stupidity is priceless.

Get over yourself dude. All of those big words,

Like inept, abject, ad hominem ... ?

Never finish your G.E.D?

Don't read much, huh?

yet no one cares about what you say except maybe your little a$$ friend White Collar Auto. My mission is to get under your skin and piss you off. Looks like i'm succeeding.

Under my skin?

Who is posting bobo ... little a$$ friend ...

Thanks for the chuckle Tony.

Seeking -

Hate to tell you but your post #1.35 is worthless.

Based on the opinion of one the primier consulting companies in the country - Boston Consulting Group?

Hate to tell you .... but that was the company that heavily recruited Romney out of Harvard ... the company he worked for before recruited away by Bain & Company.

About me being condescending .... heck .... I'm trying to be a nice guy, did you not see the last post from the courting Latinos?

Anyway, I tried to be nice, last warning ... it will get worse for you.

Be VWERY VWERY quite - Bobo is without a doubt sleeping it off!

Someone sure was burning some serious midnight oil! lol

Poor little Bobo - 2:30 in the morning & the little guy is still up pumping out his venom!

Talk about having NO life! lmao

Yea, thinks he's a good bully. Probably brags to his Skoal packin' buddies on how he "tears up those ni--er lovin' libs" I don't know what he's thinking because I certainly am not impressed. Seen hundreds like him. Never backed down from one. Ain't starting now.

Anyway, I tried to be nice, last warning ... it will get worse for you.

Does that mean that I'm supposed to be afraid? Are you threatening me, Bob? Do you think I care? Maybe I should be like you crybabies and turn you into the mods. No, you're not worth the effort. Bob, let me repeat, GET OVER YOURSELF, NO ONE CARES! Talk about thick in the head.

Is it illegal to ship jobs overseas? Tell Obama to stop playing golf and start working on these so called "incentives" to keep jobs here in the great ole US of A.

He sure talks alot about what to do... does he forget to follow through?

ABO 2012 - you can bet your paycheck on it!

Hell, Ron Paul would do better than Obama!!

bob-1805084 - you have such an inflated opinion of yourself - I hate to tell you but your post 1.40 is totally worthless - just like most of your posts.

And, why would anyone be afraid of a blow hard like you? You post meaningless drivel - then pat yourself on the back and tell yourself how great you are. News Flash - you're not.

But you and WCA just go on believing your posts are so great when actually they are nothing. They don't contain facts - just regurgitation of right wing propaganda.

And, I'm supposed to worry about you? Are you nuts? Well, yes, I suppose you are a little.

Just go ahead with your drivel.

sirie - Obama proposed a tax incentive program to encourage companies to bring jobs back from overseas. The GOP blocked that program.

Of course it's NOT illegal to ship jobs overseas. The idiotcy of the golf comment makes your post worthless. Maybe you should concentrate on the obstructionists and the damage they are doing instead of making it all Obama's fault. Oh, but then you'd have to be honest, probably not going to happen.

Obama/Biden 2012

Never backed down from one. Ain't starting now.

We get it big boy, you're great at throwing turds at people that look like Frazier Crane and throwing turds on the internet.

That ain't the challenge.

The challenge is to put up something that shows a modicum of common intelligence.

Oh ... sorry ...

Sorry folks, it has been fun, but I'm outha here ... better things to do.

Have fun with free - meaningless, worthless, cheap shots.

bob - that the best ya got because it's absolutely NOTHING. You have no intelligence to challenge. I'm glad you looked modicum up because I'm sure you had to to spell it right.

Go home little boy - you're in way over your head!

Tony -

modicum - mod.i.cum (noun) - meaning a small amount, little bit, itsy bitsy amount

Edit - The above was dropped from #1.45 and should have followed Oh sorry ..

Seeking -

You guys are too much fun.

bob-1805084 - unfortunately you're really not fun, entertaining or challenging. Too bad

Ahhh ... interruptions

Seeking -

I'm glad you looked modicum up because I'm sure you had to to spell it right.

Actually, there is a tool bar that checks spelling.

But should know that, that is unless you didn't know the meaning of modicum and had to look it up.

Btw - Is fatuous the correct spelling?

I promise ... that was the last post.

bob - fatuous is certainly the correct spelling and word to use in describing you and your posts!

I'll be back and forth for the next couple of hours but you do what you want. Make no difference to me!

Makes, not make!

tony - I've gotten the "warning" from Bob twice now. Clearly I'm scared to death! NOT! I do find it slightly humorous!

Have a great day! Gotta run!

@ Seeking I see you never backed up your 70% claim regarding GE with actual facts....

BISHOP WILLARD can't be a REPUBLICAN

because he cannot deliver without a TELEPROMPTER

When he tells mexicans to SELF-DEPORT, he has to read it

when he talks about job creation, he has to read it

when he talks about the dog on the roof of is car, he has to read it

when he talks about didging the draft, ha has to read it

when he talks about his Mexican parents & grandparents, he has to read it

the only time BISHOP WILLARD doesn't have to use a TELEPROMPTER

is when he is LYING

or

putting on his MAGIC PANTIES

or selling a horse with a broken ankle to some chump that is suing him now .

Seeking:

Modicum, fatuous.....

How about TROLL?

"!love debate, and I often wade into the threads beneath my columns. But it’s a depressing experience, as instead of contesting the issues I raise, many of those who disagree bombard me with infantile abuse, or just keep repeating a fiction, however often you discredit it. This ensures that an intelligent discussion is almost impossible - which appears to be the point.

The second pattern is the strong association between this tactic and a certain set of views: pro-corporate, anti-tax, anti-regulation. Both traditional conservatives and traditional progressives tend be more willing to discuss an issue than these right-wing libertarians, many of whom seek instead to shut down debate.

So what’s going on? I’m not suggesting that most of the people trying to derail these discussions are paid to do so, though I would be surprised if none were. I’m suggesting that some of the efforts to prevent intelligence from blooming seem to be organized, and that neither website hosts nor other commenters know how to respond.

For his film (Astro)Turf Wars, Taki Oldham secretly recorded a training session organized by a rightwing libertarian group called American Majority. The trainer, Austin James, was instructing Tea Party members on how to “manipulate the medium”. This is what he told them:

“Here’s what I do. I get on Amazon; I type in “Liberal Books”. I go through and I say “one star, one star, one star”. The flipside is you go to a conservative/ libertarian whatever, go to their products and give them five stars. … This is where your kids get information: Rotten Tomatoes, Flixster. These are places where you can rate movies. So when you type in “Movies on Healthcare”, I don’t want Michael Moore’s to come up, so I always give it bad ratings. I spend about 30 minutes a day, just click, click, click, click. … If there’s a place to comment, a place to rate, a place to share information, you have to do it. That’s how you control the online dialogue and give our ideas a fighting chance.”

Over 75% of the funding for American Majority, which hosted this training session, comes from the Sam Adams Alliance. In 2008, the year in which American Majority was founded, 88% of the alliance’s money came from a single donation, of $3.7m(13). A group which trains rightwing libertarians to distort online democratic processes, in other words, was set up with funding from a person or company with a very large wallet."

http:/ /www.alternet.org/media/149197/are_right-wing_libertarian_internet_trolls_getting_paid_to_dumb_down_online_conversations/?page=2

Do you think bob, ksw, and their ilk are getting paid by the word or by the post?

Just another valid reason to distrust AND dislike those RWNJ's....

Bob in Virginia-5210392

Obama's first term "plan" was a miserable failure...and this is different...how?

Yeah????

Why don't you ask the governor in Florida?

Romney urged Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) to "tone down his statements heralding improvements in the state's economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominee's message."

Many of the nation's key swing states -- Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Wisconsin, Iowa, Pennsylvania -- are led by Republican governors, each of whom are eager to tell their constituents that the economy is looking up. Romney is urging voters in these states to feel depressed and pessimistic, while Romney's gubernatorial allies are urging the opposite.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12337699-mitt-romney-to-rick-scott-shhh?lite

LOL, looks like Pinocchio's nose is growing a little longer!!!

BTW: Bob in Virginia, these are facts.

Obama's first term "plan" was a miserable failure...and this is different...how?

Mitt Romney's "plan" is a carbon copy of GW Bush. How well did that work out?

Obama's first term "plan" was a miserable failure...and this is different...how?

Allow me to 'splain it to you bob vagina:

This is different because we are going to GET RID of those nasty obstructionists - the gop/tea Congressmen who conspire against the United States and try to make us unsuccessful.

You probably recognize some of the names of the worst: Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Ryan - you know the anti-American hostage takers and conspirators....

Considering the President's accomplishments of the first term, beating these unpatriotic RWNJ's who would harm this nation for partisan reasons, it is certain the Obama's SECOND TERM is going to be great!

FORWARD with continued progress cleaning up the disaterous mess the GOP-Tea and Bush/Cheney led the USA to between 2001 and 2009.

Regardless of the drum pounding of those like bulletstopper, America will NOT regress back to the gop economics that all but bankrupted this nation - no way, no how!

President Obama for President 2012!!!!

bulletstopper - and when Mitt has ANY softball questions thrown at him he will be like the clown in the dunk tank - going down - SPLASH!!!!

Mitt has gotten off easy because everyone has been kept from asking him anything. His time is coming and it won't be pretty!

Obama/Biden 2012

Interesting - the founder of the Institute for American Values - a far right organization - has just recanted his opposition to gay marriage saying, "the time has come for me to accept gay marriage and emphasize the good that it can do".

OMG - Hell must have frozen over!

What makes anyone think that Romney would follow in Bush's footsteps, let's see some sources please!

sirie - (actually LOVE your photo) - let's see some proof he won't. See, since Romney will not discuss ANYTHING it is pretty apparent he doesn't have a clue. And, what he HAS said is in lock step with Bush.

let's see some sources

1. His RECORD at Bain;

2. His RECORD as Governor;

3. His Pledge to Norquist to put the interests of 1%ers above the nation;

4. His affiliation with the GOP/TEA/RNC

...how many did you want anyway Sirie?

Fact is, ol' Mittens will NOT be able to run away from his record any more than he & YOU & the other RWNJ's will be able to run away from and distance yourselves from what Dumbya/Cheney and the Republicans did to this country between 2001 and 2009.

OK, I know the republicans offer tax breaks to the middle class, which fails in comparison to the tax breaks they give to the so called 1%'ers. I don't have a problem with giving tax breaks to the rich, right now the top 10% wage earners pay > 80% of the nations taxes... that really doesn't seem like much incentive to be successful, does it?

I am not saying Mitt Romney would be the ideal choice for the Presidency, however I see what a failure Obama has been with the economy, which is really what the number one priority needs to be. I also see a President who is spending so much time at fundraisers that it is really embarrassing!

that really doesn't seem like much incentive to be successful, does it?

Okay... then don't be successful. Stop trying to take everyone else's dollar for your own pocket. No problem!

That position doesn't really hold water does it....

however I see what a failure Obama has been with the economy,

Now how on earth can you make such a statement with a straight face???? The economic failure is what the Republicans under Bush/Cheney did with their inheireted budget surplus between 2001 and 2009.

That is a fact.

I know you RWNJ's want to use the RNC/Rove spin that stating the facts as they occured is "blaming Bush" but the truth is that Bush/Cheney DID, in fact, do it. Plain and simple, no matter how hard you guys attempt to distance yourselves from and deny what the Republicans did during the Bush/Cheney years.

President Obama has in fact improved our economy from Bush/Cheney; he has accomplished these improvements in the face of total obstructionism by Ryan, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, et. al. I understand how much the rightwing hates this, but it is FACT.

As for the fundraising, that has always been the situation for Congressmen serving 2 yr. terms - had to start raising money for the next election as soon as they took office - and the Citizens United has now made this a reality for all candidates.... really needs to be reversed, and really need campaign reform, but that is difficult when the fox is guarding the hen house....

Seamus will strap Willard to the roof & grab the steering wheel...

Payback really is a bitch!

Seamus will probably bypass the hose and just lift his leg to rinse Willard off.

Seamus will probably bypass the hose and just lift his leg to rinse Willard off.

LMAO

dres·sage [ drə s ]

1.training horse to execute precise movements: the training of a horse to carry out a series of precise controlled movements in response to minimal signals from its rider

2.dressage event: a competitive event in which horse and rider are judged on the elegance, precision, and discipline of the horse's (Willards) movements

Willard is definitely controlled, perhaps more so than the horsey!

Seamus will strap Willard to the roof & grab the steering wheel...LOL

Feisty, I wonder if "Seamus" has a Chauffers license?

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ideologyspoilstheview - OOOOOOh - will he strap Romney on top????

In 2008, the Romneys sold a horse named Super Hit for $125,000. The horse was subsequently found to be lame and unable to perform dressage. Dr. Steven Soule, veterinarian for the U.S. Equestrian Team, was consulted. He found that Super Hit, at the time he was sold, had been drugged with a staggering amount of painkillers - more than he had ever seen given to a horse in 38-years of practice.

Super Hit's new owners sued Ann Romney, her trainers and her vet. The case was settled out of court last September. The Romney campaign called the case "frivolous," but refused to allow the LA Times to interview the Romneys, their trainers, or their vet. The LA Times also reports that Romney's lawyers have sought to keep the case out of the public eye by trying to get the attorney of Super Hit's new owners to sign a confidentiality agreement.

The Romneys continue their relationship with the same trainers under whom Super Hit was given a staggering amount of painkillers so that he could be forced to continue performing.

Sources:

Buzzfeed: www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/ann-romneys-high-horse

Not surprising about the story of drugging the horse - it is the Mormon way. One of those other little Mormon/Utah secrets - they love those OTC/Prescription drugs. It is how they cope with that horrific repressive society.

Utah leads the nation in prescription drug abuse, according to the most recent statistics from the Utah County Division of Substance Abuse Prevention. Deaths caused by prescription drug abuse exceeded vehicle fatalities in 2007 for the first time in Utah's history. http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/article_c38c0ecd-ecbe-5851-ae17-187d52215827.html

"Friends and acquaintances described the trainer as patient and low-key but capable of driving students hard. Asked if she was ever unhappy with Mr. Ebeling’s instruction, Mrs. Romney said in a deposition in the lawsuit, “I think that is not a fair question because we all get upset at certain times with anybody that is — you know, especially a German.”

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I'm trying to understand what Mrs. Romney meant, but it seems to have escaped me. We get upset at anybody that is German?

Who does?

We get upset at anybody that is German?

Well, Romney demonstrated he isn't up on 'foreign policy' when he mentioned our USSR enemy. Perhaps Ann is as clueless and doesn't realize the wall is down, and her comments were guided by her inner-commie hatred against East Germans.

RedDev, it just occurred to me that all the dirt the republicans want to find on the president and Mrs. Obama, is actually being found on Mr. & Mrs. Romney. Her German quote is very very strange to say the least.

The Romneys were supposed to be the all American family. At least that's how they were going to be sold to us. I don't see it. They seem kinda mean spirited and nasty actually.

Seamus will strap Willard to the roof & grab the steering wheel...

Payback really is a bitch!

To bad the dog Obama ate can't do the same....................hahaha

@Pat

For an interesting read, check out the Matt Taibbi article on Wall Street fleecing towns and municipalities of trillions. What I find most interesting about these right wing posters is they scream to high heaven over this Fast and Furious nontroversy, scream until they are hoarse about regulations killing Wall Street and the Banks, and yell about their tax dollars being spent to support their local townships, yet are completely lazzes faire to the massive amounts of money being made by Wall Street/Banks on the backs of average Americans.

One thing for sure is a vote for Romney is a certainty that we will have another deep depression/recession, and trillions will be spent to bail out the financial institutions. There is no guarantee that they same won't happen under Obama since the GOP/TP have fought every single financial regulatory reform measure proposed, but if anyone can find the right path through that mess, it is Obama.

I like to think you only have to knock me in the head once to make we wake up and take notice of the massive collapse of 2008. Apparently, it takes 2 or 3 massive collapses to get those on the right to see the bigger picture, although it seems doubtful even that would help. Regardless of how many times they are shown the causes of the collapse, they continue to blame the anything but. Apparently the GOP/TP need to be starving and living off the street before they will agree that banks and Wall Street need strict regulation.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-scam-wall-street-learned-from-the-mafia-20120620

He deserves an award for the work he did on this article. I can hardly believe this all happened here in the United States of America. This is journalism. What he uncovered ~

The defendants in the case – Dominick Carollo, Steven Goldberg and Peter Grimm – worked for GE Capital, the finance arm of General Electric. Along with virtually every major bank and finance company on Wall Street – not just GE, but J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, UBS, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Wachovia and more – these three Wall Street wiseguys spent the past decade taking part in a breathtakingly broad scheme to skim billions of dollars from the coffers of cities and small towns across America. The banks achieved this gigantic rip-off by secretly colluding to rig the public bids on municipal bonds, a business worth $3.7 trillion. By conspiring to lower the interest rates that towns earn on these investments, the banks systematically stole from schools, hospitals, libraries and nursing homes – from "virtually every state, district and territory in the United States," according to one settlement. And they did it so cleverly that the victims never even knew they were being ­cheated. No thumbs were broken, and nobody ended up in a landfill in New Jersey, but money disappeared, lots and lots of it, and its manner of disappearance had a familiar name: organized crime.

In the end, though, the conviction of a few bit players seems like far too puny a punishment, given that the bid rigging exposed in Carollo involved an entrenched system that affected major bond issues in every state in the nation. You find yourself thinking, America's biggest banks ripped off the entire country, virtually every day, for more than a decade! A truly commensurate penalty would be something like televised stonings of the top 10 executives of every guilty bank, or maybe the forcible resettlement of every banker and broker in Lower Manhattan to some uninhabited Andean wasteland... anything to address the systemic nature of the crime.

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Something else happened too at the same time. It's called Karl Rove Politics b/k/a scamming the American voter.

I saw an ad for an upcoming program which I think will be on this weekend which will be about how people in the suburbs are becoming poor. And when I saw the ad I thought - what did you expect? Americans have been allowing the pundits, both tv & radio, to dismiss the American workers - police, fire, teachers, etc. They have been told that unions are the source of all their problems. They have been told to put everything on credit cards; the housing market is great, so what if your house is a little more than you wanted to pay (thousands and thousands of dollars more than you could afford), but so what, it's an investment, you can sell it and make a huge profit; health care is bad, it's socialist. Taxes? You don't need to pay no more taxes! Who needs teachers and firefighters and good roads and good schools? Actually you do need to pay for these things, it's the wealthy who don't care about these things.

Gay marriage is bad. Women should not be standing up for their rights. We should all be following the teachings of - not Jesus, mind you - but a Pope and a bunch of old Bishops and television evangelicals who have no clue about living in the real world. We were being told to butt in to other people's lives and pass judgment on them.

What all Americans should have done was instead of concentrating on other people's lives, as the right wing media wants us to do - we should instead have been concentrating on public educations, health care needs for all Americans; regulations so our children are protected, living within our means; and do all the things that make communities strong. Question our wars so that we don't have to send our children and neighbor's children off to fight a ginned up war. These are things we don't hear from conservatives. Instead we hear divisiveness. It's Obama's fault. It's the immigrants' fault. It's communism.

What are we willing to pay for? Well, Mitt's answer is if you want to send your children to college for starters, then your children will need to borrow your life's savings. College expenses are out of control. Yet that is all Mitt had to offer. He had no answer. He assumes we are all wealthy like he is.

We all know taxes are high now, so we must ask what are our wealthy willing to pay for in order to invest in our children and in America's future? The answer was/is -nothing. Not a thing. Grover Norquist has seen to that. The Republican Party has seen to that. Right wing/conservative media has seen to that.

Instead they will cut programs for the middle class, the working class and the poor.

And now there are those in the suburbs who find themselves with virtually nowhere to turn. Labor has indeed turned cheap. It was intended that way. They just needed to bruise the unions, with our help of course.

Capitalism is good. The capitalism we have allowed here in America is as we see above is organized crime and it is we the American worker who pay the price, while everybody concentrates on birth certificates and trumped up wars and who knows what.

And now the country waits to hear about health care. Will that be taken away as well as everything else? Yes. Because it's "socialism".

That is what we hear on right wing radio. And like always, we believe it.

No conservative talk show host cares if you have health care or affordable anything. They helped create this mess. While they made millions of dollars exploiting all of us.

With plenty of help from the MSM.

@Pat - Well written, kudos to you. The show on new suburban poverty should be interesting indeed. Recently, articles hit the MSM indicating middle American lost 40% of their personal wealth as a result of the 2008 economic crash. I suspect that wealth took a couple decades to accumulate, and to regain that wealth lost in just 1 year will most likely take another two decades, if not longer. One thing for sure is my retirement will not be my parents retirement. In fact, if conservatives get their way, retirement will be abolished in this country. Of course, if the conservatives also get their way on health care, it won't much matter - I will not be able to afford insurance, so surviving much beyond 65 will be a stroke of luck (more likely, I'll be in the ground from an untreated stroke).

Many on the right make the statement that through socialist programs, we are becoming a third world country. I say we are already there. The link below is to a quality of life ranking in which we place 12th. We are closer to war torn Croatia than we are to the top of the list. Notice the nations at the top of the list have a strong blend of democracy, capitalism, and socialistic institutions to care for common needs. Yet, they still have their billionaires and millionaires. Their poorest class is equivalent to our lower middle class, and their middle-class is equivalent to our upper middle class. I think what makes us third world is our treatment of the lower-class. Folks like Rush vilify them. Yet, they are some of the hardest working people I have ever met. America is not built upon hard work. It is built upon robbing from non-wealthy class, and funneling that money to the upper class. We went through this in the robber baron years, we are doing it again, and if history holds true, we are doomed to awaken and find ourselves in the 1930s.

http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Link to quality of life ranking for 2012. Notice, we moved up a notch from 13th in this 2005 wikipedia article to 12th in 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_Index

RedDev, my biggest eye opener was many many years ago. I went down to see a game at Yankee Stadium and when I was heading back to Manhattan after the game I got off at the wrong train station, which took me to a really poor part of the Bronx. I went upstairs where I had to wait for a bus. I was so saddened to see this neighborhood with half knocked down buildings, no trees, no grass, no flowers, broken glass everywhere. This is where our American children were growing up. I remember thinking - well, we're getting there - the inner cities are already third world countries. That neighborhood had been neglected for generations.

I couldn't believe we here in America couldn't do better than that for our children. People don't understand that the system is stacked up against most of us, regardless of color.

But there are people in this country who think - well, it's their own fault. Except that no, it isn't their fault. Anymore than it is the rest of our faults for what corporate America has done to us all. The poor were just the first to feel it. The rest of us were told we could have it all, when in reality that wasn't true. Some of us were smart enough not to buy into it, but others not so smart. And when they got into trouble, the banks were given money to help with foreclosures, but they just looked the other way and took the money for themselves.

So if the American people haven't woken up yet, then we're all going down the tubes if the GOP continue to win.

People who vote democrat want what is best for everybody, not just themselves. That to me is the fundamental difference between the two parties. We don't always succeed but we never stop fighting.

Profits are quite high right now for corporations and those who run them. We see the money available to give to Romney. Millions and millions of dollars. Did you see the photo of where these GOP leaders are spending the weekend? That's how they spend their money. That's the only world they care about.

Yet still they complain that they are asked to do more to help an ailing nation. They're not interested. They just want a president they can control. And that someone is Romney.

Al: thanks for posting that information about Super Hit. It reinforces what we know about Romney and Annie. They aren't into dressage for the love of the horse. They are in it for self gratification, the "look what my horse won this time." Horses that compete at the international level can have terrible lives. And the more narcissistic the owners, like the Romneys, the worse it is for the animal.

The horses are never allowed the pleasure of being horses, running in a pasture free. They are locked up in a stall, and when they get out are ridden by professional riders, and since there is no attachment to the animal, no one really cares how it is treated.

When these horses can no longer win, they can wind up at slaughter.

People like the Romneys should NOT be able to own ANY animals, and are not fit for high office.

Pat - well written, great post. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears with those of the far right. To them, the poor are just lazy people who want to be taken care of and nothing else. They refuse to see that, given the opportunity, 99.9999999% of people want to be gainfully employed and providing for themselves and their families.

The don't care about the people sent to wars - after all - they volunteer.

They want less government but want control of everyone's private lives - especially women.

The GOP is a party out of control.

The government cannot employ everyone, somebody must pay the tab. You cant print money for ever it becomes worthless.

I can see by the posts here obama is not the president of the united states he is the president of the union and the president of the government worker but screw everyone else.

The private sector is NOT doing ok! The private sector is not your slave you are their servent. You have forgotten your role in the nation. to serve and protect not to depete and destroy.

I am ashamed of you people!

You turn a blinde eye to the misery you cause with your endless greed.

Ursula-279622 Who writes:

When people become corporations, Romney will know how to fix their problems. His experience at Bain was to create wealth - jobs was merely a by-product. And if it increased shareholder wealth to outsource American jobs overseas, that was just fine by him!

I highlighted the sentence you wrote. Notice what you just said. Jobs are a by-product of wealth, so he did create jobs. Did you also know that wealth is a byproduct of jobs?

Corporations create Jobs, wealth for all. How blind are you that you do not see your own words?

Romney for 2012.

Did you also know that wealth is a byproduct of jobs?

Utter bull-crap!! Perhaps you could ask 99% of workers if their jobs have made them wealthy.

Companies are in business to make money. Some move jobs over to China, some to India, doesn't matter... Is that a problem? Then stop buying their products!

If there were incentives to keep jobs in America, then guess what? Tell President Obama to miss one of his 170 fundraisers and start doing his JOB!

sirie - I already don't buy products not made in the US. It's a little harder when you shop but it's worth it to me. Do You?

I tell ya what - tell the GOP to stop blocking everything President Obama puts forward to increase jobs. His fundraisers are necessary to block the lies and distortions the GOP is throwing out that low information voters believe. Try to start educating yourself and you'll see who the real problem is - the Republicans!

President Obama has done his job and repeatedly asked Congress for jobs bills to be put on this desk. But creating bills jobs that help America also make Obama look good, so they refuse to lift a finger. Want to chastise anyone for their lack of work ethic, chastise the GOP leadership in the house. They work 4-5 days a month for a full salary. Fire the GOP leadership in the house and put Congress back to work.

That's where God, guns, and gays come in.

The cost of Unions, Benefits, and taxes have forced most jobs to go to other countries.

Another bull-crap statement. No one forced companies to outsource jobs to other countries. That was a management decision made to increase profits.

I used to work for a company called Convergys, which specializes in call-center operations. Their entire gig is getting clients to sign up for services, then after a couple of years of having US workers do the job, they offer the client a significant reduction if the operation is allowed to move overseas. Of course, the reduction is only a small percentage of what Convergys will be saving by outsourcing those jobs, so it's "win-win", for everyone except the US workers...and the local stores and shops where they used to spend their paychecks.

I actually went to the Philippines to help train the workers who took 1500 jobs from a call center in Albuquerque. I was able to figure out that these workers were doing the job for $2-3 an hour. The starting wage at Convergys in Albuquerque was $10 an hour....and no, the workers were not unionized. Mentioning a union was very likely to get you the kind of attention you didn't want from management.

You can point the finger at taxes and regulations all you like. The simple fact is, people in Manila and Hyderabad are willing to work for one-fourth what is needed to get Americans to show up for a job. As long as that is the case, companies will continue to move jobs overseas.

Let me guess, the answer now becomes doing away with minimum wage laws and having US workers compete directly against countries where the poverty rate is 30-40 percent....good luck sustaining a middle class with that.

Romney would give up America before he would give up his own wallet.

That's because he's not a patriot. He's having an easy time fooling that angry mob known as the right wing teanuts. All that has to be done is to criticize Obama and they all cheer and fall in line, oblivious to the fact that if he gets in power, he's going to roger them as well. This is a man with no soul or conscience and a perfect puppet for the likes of Norquist and the Koch's. If elected, this man will sell us to the highest bidder, take the money and run to the nearest Swiss bank. Count on it.

The reason for outsourcing is to compensate for what Companies would have had to pay for having that work done here in US. The cost of Unions, Benefits, and taxes have forced most jobs to go to other countries.

That's the biggest BS excuse on the planet. The only real reason is maximum profits and pure unadulterated greed. I see you've swallowed hook, line and sinker. You may want to pull it out and see if it was Made in China.

No kidding, tony: Anyone that would defend outsourcing shows both their lack of education and discernment. Romney would outsource his mother if it would make money for him and his group of robber barons.

But, speaks to the intelligence of the poster. If you cannot spell, and write a sentence correctly, you cannot read and decode the information therein.

To: newdayDAWNING...RETURNED who writes.

No kidding, tony: Anyone that would defend outsourcing shows both their lack of education and discernment

Listen, I'm not going to call you uneducated.

I did not defend outsourcing, I simply stated why it has happened.

Hey horsemeat, I'm the one that has a second language but I do not have the problem that you have reading and comprehending.

On a lighter note, have you ever ate horse meat? I never ate dog meat.

If it's possible for a society to go insane, then I think we've done it.

You can blame the conservative wingnuts for that. They can't stand losing and if it means destroying the country to win, they'll do it. Hell, they're doing it now as we speak.

tony,

You mean like Mitch McConnell stating that the Republican Party's goal is to make Obama a one term prez- Country be damned?

Now GM is moving jobs from Michigan to China.

Gary, are you on crack? Don't even try to spin that. GM in Michigan is back up to full production, as is Chrysler, thanks to the courage and insight of this president. Letting them go bankrupt would basically end automobile production in this country. Had McCain or Romney been in office, there would be around 800,000 less manufacturing jobs right now. Go spread your manure somewhere else. We have enough stink around here as it is.

tonybeeerm - I believe the answer is "yes" Gary is on crack!

YES, another cry for racism! Hey Shar, when in doubt, cry racism. You think it might work? You should wait until October time frame.

shar walker,

Romney wants to divide this country and make this election prejudice and racial. Latinos are not stupid Romney!

I think Obama beat you to it. FYI -You should watch the polls for independent voters.

thetotas - Independents will NOT vote Romney - we're too smart to take the country backward. President Obama has not done everything I've wanted but it's not for lack of trying. He's been blocked every chance the GOP has gotten. We WILL NOT let the GOP finish destroying the country.

Obama/Biden 2012

This independant will!

Obama doesn't care about this country, he is just in this job for the benefits and the Hollywood hookups!

sirie - you'll be one of the few. Obama cares more for this country than Romney ever could. Romney wants the job strictly so he can say he did better than his Dad - who was more of a man than Mitts could ever be.

If you take off your blinders you'll see Obama is the best choice but you're too indoctrinated by the far right. Pity!

Seeking Sanity,

Romney wants the job strictly so he can say he did better than his Dad - who was more of a man than Mitts could ever be.

And you know this how? You should check out the polls, Independents are not feeling the love.

Sirie,

I am waiting for the debates before I make a decision, but most of my friends and family who are independents have all ready made their decision.

We are having a voters registration party today, and I am so excited. We need to get people out to vote.

Thanks Feisty for the inspiration!

Thanks Feisty for the inspiration!

No problem!

Good to see you're getting out the vote rather then suppressing it!

but most of my friends and family who are independents have all ready made their decision.

Weird!

Same thing here...

YES, YES, YES, get out an vote, but don't forget your ID. No ID, No VOTE!! oops, is that racial for asking ID?

Carole - you're lacking a few brain cells!

Carole - you're lacking a few brain cells!

Not required to join Team Romney.

Carole - you're lacking a few brain cells

It's not required.....actually it's preferred!

As I said there is no reasoning with people like you

Okay, now you've done it! Made me choke on my iced tea and I had to spew it on my keyboard. Are you serious? Who's the folks that won't compromise on anything? Yep, you guessed it. The ones who don't believe the make believe liberal media. The ones that quote verbatim from their patron saints Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh. Those who post the same nonsense over and over again and never answer a question. So when you get a clue, get back to me and we can have a discussion. Otherwise, never mind.

Hey Tony. That pic still looks like your momma with my willie in her mouth.

commieslayer - you are the perfect Republican. No class, no intelligence, no integrity. Yep- perfect fit.

Gary - completely clueless!

B White - now you've gone and done it - you want the right to be RATIONAL? That's a stretch! But, good points. You probably will not get a response from the righties because you're correct - science is the a la carte menu for them - just select what you like and disregard the rest.

I will be voting for Romney also. I just cannot bring myself to vote for a guy that has changed his name 4 times and is an avowed communist. BTW, that underwear thingy is a little soiled.

Soiled?

commieslayer - President Obama has not changed his name even once and has never been an avowed communist - unless you're a mental midget on the far right who hears voices in his head- then you'll believe anything. Oh wait - that's you, isn't it?

Paul_red - it's impossible to get anything done when those "across the aisle" have made a pledge to block any and everything the President proposes in order to make him a one term President. You should put the blame where it belongs - solidly on the GOP.

Try harder...On the MSNBC web site search bar type in "Fast and Furious".... You'll find plenty of articles on it.

Gary, you're being disingenuous. You know full well that even bringing part of our troops home was against everything the GOP wanted to do. And, should Romney be elected we will be in at least one additional war and probably two - with no end in sight for Afghanistan because the GOP is against ending the war there. Our President has proposed many plans to help the country - all blocked by the GOP. You're being dishonest if you don't admit they have worked against the country in order to make sure he fails.

I believe in science and a God - but I don't believe in organized religion. I have seen the hatred spread by the far right and cannot reconcile that with what I was taught growing up.

Get a clue - you're on the wrong side unless you hate everyone not like you and want the country to fail in order to get the GOP back in power.

Gary, the non-repeal of the Bush tax cuts WAS a compromise in order to fund unemployment benefits for a longer time period. The full implementation of Health Care reform WILL help reduce the deficit as studies have shown (look at the whole study, not just targeted years). Balancing the budget during a recession AND while maintaining necessary government services without additional revenue is an impossible task when Congress and the President are at loggerheads. Immigration reform (the DREAM Act) was proposed twice, it was filibustered both times. Troops are on a timetable to withdraw instead of all at once (remember the cry to "let the Generals decide when and how to withdraw?). The investigation regarding Fast and Furious is still underway both by the DOJ and Congress, why would the President preemptively act on your opinion as to what should be done? Do you know more than Congress or the DOJ? If so, then go testify. As I see it, your points on these topics are designed to be argumentative instead of discussing.

I appreciate that you believe that science does not negate faith.

elkeism - but the red, very conservative states will have a very difficult time pulling the lever for a mormon - they'll stay home first!

benr, your comment is full of untruths and vitriol.

1. President Obama held "real jobs". He was a Professor at the University of Chicago Law School. He worked at Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland as an associate and then a partner. (Source: Politifact, Mitt Romney, Debate at Dartmouth, 10-11-2011)

2. There is no evidence of a ghostwriter (although that would not be unusual) except for a rumor by Jack Cashill (a significantly conservative writer) who accuses President Obama of using Ayers as a ghostwriter in a blatant and stated effort to undercut President Obama. Jack Cashill's theory on "similar phrases" was blown out of the water in 2009 by Eric Scott Kaufman (PhD in English).

3. The comment "apologizing for Amerikas apparent misdeeds" is a "pants on fire" lie. (Source: Politifact, Mitt Romney, debate in Orlando FL, 9-22-2011)

While I will not disagree with your right to your opinion on the relative values of the candidates, please use facts in your comments. Thank you.

@mathew

Thanks for attempting to fill in the extensive gaps in Obama's resume still not impressed with his actual list of jobs. He has somehow cobbled together a professional student status but actual job performance achievements not so much.

The evidence is all over his book HE did not write it.

1. Apology to France and Europe ("America Has Shown Arrogance")

Speech by President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena,
Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[1]

So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our
Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy,
but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our
relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role
in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner
with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has
shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

2. Apology to the Muslim World ("We Have Not Been Perfect")

President Obama, interview with Al Arabiya,
January 27, 2009.[2]

My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your
enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at
the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that
the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as
recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore
that.

3. Apology to the Summit of the Americas ("At Times We Sought to Dictate Our
Terms")

President Obama, address to the Summit of the
Americas opening ceremony, Hyatt Regency, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago,
April 17, 2009.[3]

All of us must now renew the common stake that we have in one another. I know
that promises of partnership have gone unfulfilled in the past, and that trust
has to be earned over time. While the United States has done much to promote
peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at
times we sought to dictate our terms. But I pledge to you that we seek an equal
partnership. There is no senior partner and junior partner in our relations;
there is simply engagement based on mutual respect and common interests and
shared values. So I'm here to launch a new chapter of engagement that will be
sustained throughout my administration.

The United States will be willing to acknowledge past errors where those
errors have been made.

4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders ("Some Restoration of
America's Standing in the World")

News conference by President Obama, ExCel Center,
London, United Kingdom, April 2, 2009.[4]

I would like to think that with my election and the early decisions that
we've made, that you're starting to see some restoration of America's standing
in the world. And although, as you know, I always mistrust polls, international
polls seem to indicate that you're seeing people more hopeful about America's
leadership.

I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very
important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating
solutions. Just to try to crystallize the example, there's been a lot of
comparison here about Bretton Woods. "Oh, well, last time you saw the entire
international architecture being remade." Well, if there's just Roosevelt and
Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy, that's an easier negotiation. But
that's not the world we live in, and it shouldn't be the world that we live
in.

5. Apology for the War on Terror ("We Went off Course")

President Obama, speech at the National Archives,
Washington, D.C., May 21, 2009.[5]

Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series
of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a
sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too
often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that
all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological
predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles,
too often we set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer
afford. And during this season of fear, too many of us--Democrats and
Republicans, politicians, journalists, and citizens--fell silent.

In other words, we went off course. And this is not my assessment alone. It
was an assessment that was shared by the American people who nominated
candidates for President from both major parties who, despite our many
differences, called for a new approach--one that rejected torture and one that
recognized the imperative of closing the prison at Guantanamo
Bay.

6. Apology for Guantanamo in France ("Sacrificing Your Values")

Speech by President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena,
Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[6]

Our two republics were founded in service of these ideals. In America, it is
written into our founding documents as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness." In France: "Liberté"--absolutely--"egalité, fraternité." Our moral
authority is derived from the fact that generations of our citizens have fought
and bled to uphold these values in our nations and others. And that's why we can
never sacrifice them for expedience's sake. That's why I've ordered the closing
of the detention center in Guantanamo Bay. That's why I can stand here today and
say without equivocation or exception that the United States of America does not
and will not torture.

In dealing with terrorism, we can't lose sight of our values and who we are.
That's why I closed Guantanamo. That's why I made very clear that we will not
engage in certain interrogation practices. I don't believe that there is a
contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start
sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that
will make you less secure.

7. Apology before the Turkish Parliament ("Our Own Darker Periods in
Our History")

Speech by President Obama to the Turkish
Parliament, Ankara, Turkey, April 6, 2009.[7]

Every challenge that we face is more easily met if we tend to our own
democratic foundation. This work is never over. That's why, in the United
States, we recently ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed. That's why we
prohibited--without exception or equivocation--the use of torture. All of us
have to change. And sometimes change is hard.

Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is
how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of
our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I
spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were
enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles
with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native
Americans.

Human endeavor is by its nature imperfect. History is often tragic, but
unresolved, it can be a heavy weight. Each country must work through its past.
And reckoning with the past can help us seize a better future.

8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas ("The United States
Has Not Pursued and Sustained Engagement with Our Neighbors")

Opinion editorial by President Obama: "Choosing a
Better Future in the Americas," April 16, 2009.[8]

Too often, the United States has not pursued and sustained engagement with
our neighbors. We have been too easily distracted by other priorities, and have
failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the
Americas. My Administration is committed to the promise of a new day. We will
renew and sustain a broader partnership between the United States and the
hemisphere on behalf of our common prosperity and our common
security.

9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA ("Potentially We've Made Some
Mistakes")

Remarks by the President to CIA employees, CIA
Headquarters, Langley, Virginia, April 20, 2009.[9] The remarks
followed the controversial decision to release Office of Legal Counsel memoranda
detailing CIA enhanced interrogation techniques used against terrorist
suspects.

So don't be discouraged by what's happened in the last few weeks. Don't be
discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we've made some mistakes.
That's how we learn. But the fact that we are willing to acknowledge them and
then move forward, that is precisely why I am proud to be President of the
United States, and that's why you should be proud to be members of the
CIA.

10. Apology for Guantanamo in Washington ("A Rallying Cry for Our
Enemies")

President Obama, speech at the National Archives,
Washington, D.C., May 21, 2009.[10]

There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that
is America's strongest currency in the world. Instead of building a durable
framework for the struggle against al Qaeda that drew upon our deeply held
values and traditions, our government was defending positions that undermined
the rule of law. In fact, part of the rationale for establishing Guantanamo in
the first place was the misplaced notion that a prison there would be beyond the
law--a proposition that the Supreme Court soundly rejected. Meanwhile, instead
of serving as a tool to counter terrorism, Guantanamo became a symbol that
helped al Qaeda recruit terrorists to its cause. Indeed, the existence of
Guantanamo likely created more terrorists around the world than it ever
detained.

So the record is clear: Rather than keeping us safer, the prison at
Guantanamo has weakened American national security. It is a rallying cry for our
enemies.

Gary, nowhere in my response to your comments did I "blame it on the GOP." I stated the President and Congress were at loggerheads. Secondly, the Democrats had an effective 6 weeks, not "two years." The rules of the Senate were that it would take 60 votes to bring a bill to the floor (a cloture vote). The Democrats had 59 (and that included Sen. Lieberman - Independent) for almost the entire two years. You neglect the fact that it took a court case to confirm Sen. Franken's win and after that that Sen. Kennedy was ill.

You are correct, the ATF ran guns to Mexico from 2008 forwards. Why is Sen. Issa only interested in the time period for AG Holder? Why has he refused to subpoena (former) AG Mukasey since gun running was under his watch also? Did you object when President Bush utilized Executive Privilege four times in one month and six times total or is it this one instance of this one President that is incorrect?

Libya was an action where President Obama supported NATO actions at the request of NATO. How many soldiers died there?

President Obama's current approval ratings are low. They are also higher than Congress's.

I agree that this administration has been less than perfectly transparent. That said, it had been no more opaque than others and less than some.

Persident Obama did NOT "triple the deficit." The debt was $10.626 trillion the day he took office. In order for it to be tripled it would have to be over $31 trillion debt right now (source: US Treasury)

BTW - I swore an oath to protect the citizens of the US, uphold the Constitution and the laws of my State. While I was not military I was a Firefighter for over 26 years. I am still and always will be committed to our country the same as you are. I never suggested that you wanted our country to fail, nor would I ever believe that of a person who honorably served in our military. Thank you for your service.