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Subscribe to RSSDespite his announcement a week ago, Obama has his own immigration challenge when he addresses NALEO at 1:40 pm ET… Can he run up the score with Latinos?... Recapping Romney’s own speech: It was strong (given the high degree of difficulty), but it side-stepped a big question… Romney’s newest TV ads… The Bain story isn’t going away… Romney’s donor-maintenance event in Utah begins… Charlie Cook: Don’t bet on another wave election for House races… And “Meet the Press” has Rubio and Richardson.
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President Barack Obama speaks in the East Room of the White House, Thursday, June 21, 2012, in Washington, to call on Congress to stop interest rates on student loans from doubling on July 1.
*** Obama's own immigration challenge: Yesterday, we wrote about Mitt Romney's immigration challenge in advance of his speech Thursday to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) in Orlando, FL. And today, with his own address to the group at 1:40 pm ET, we look at President Obama's challenge, too. For starters, despite last week's big immigration announcement, Obama wasn't able to achieve comprehensive immigration reform when Democrats held a majority in 2009-2010. Romney hammered home this very point yesterday: “For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate… But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system." (Of course, the chief reason why was opposition from GOP senators, especially those who had supported reform in the past.) The other challenge for Obama is all the deportations that have taken place during his administration. As the Tampa Bay Times has written, “Obama has been tougher on deportations than any modern president — expelling nearly 1.5 million people so far. Many have been criminals, but the effort has also torn apart families and hurt some of the young people Obama now wants to help.”
The Daily Rundown guest host Luke Russert previews the speech in Friday's First Reads of the day.
*** And can he run up the score? But make no mistake: Obama is going to win the Latino vote, and he'll likely receive a much more enthusiastic response from the NALEO crowd than Romney did yesterday. But the questions for the president are: How much he can run up the score with this demographic group, and will they turn out? (Do Latinos go from representing 9% of all voters in '08 to 11% or 12% in '12? If so, that could be the difference between Obama winning and losing. And as was evident in the NBC/WSJ poll last month, their intensity is down.) And that's why it will be interesting to see how he responds to these shortcomings in his record. After his NALEO speech, Obama holds a campaign event in Tampa, FL at 4:15 pm ET.
*** Recapping Romney’s speech: As for Romney's own speech yesterday, it was pretty strong -- especially considering the high degree of difficulty (a polite but not enthusiastic crowd, issue terrain that's rocky for him). What's more, he put some meat on the bones of his immigration policy (for example, reallocate green cards to ensure that spouses and children of legal permanent residents get to stay with their families, grant green cards to those who get advanced degrees in the U.S). But where he wasn't strong was in answering what he would do to Obama's executive action to no longer deporting qualified young illegal immigrants. Bottom line: He really didn’t answer the question. "Some people have asked if I will let stand the president's executive action," he said. "The answer is that I will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president's temporary measure." But what would he do BEFORE the legislation was passed? And what would he do if Congress DOESN'T PASS IT? There's a reason why both Obama and Bush have been unable to get this through -- it's very hard, especially when "amnesty" has become a four-letter word on the right. As if on cue, the Obama campaign has a new web video noting all the ways Romney has side-stepped questions about Obama’s immigration action.
*** New Latino polls: Ahead of Obama’s speech, there’s a new Latino Decicisions poll of Latinos in the swing states of Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia that was partially conducted after Obama’s immigration announcement last week. “In Florida, the poll found Obama leading Romney by a margin of 53% to 37%, a slight increase from a 50% to 40% lead Obama held over Romney in a January 2012 Latino Decisions/Univision News poll in Florida. In the five states combined Obama lead Romney 63% to 27%, however in southwestern battlegrounds of Arizona, Colorado and Nevada Obama performed even better. In Arizona Obama received 74% to 18% for Romney, in Colorado he was favored by 70% to 22% and in Nevada 69% to 20%. In Virginia, Obama lead 59% to 28% over Romney among Latino registered voters.”
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*** Romney’s newest TV ads: Meanwhile, the Romney campaign is up with TV ads targeted to individual battleground states (Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia) about what he’d do in his first 100 days as president. Here’s the one from Iowa: “President Romney’s first 100 days -- what will they mean for Iowa?” the narrator asks. “Day One, President Romney moves to repeal Obamacare and attacks the deficit, starting with $20 billion in savings. By Day 100, President Romney is working toward a balanced budget, making sure the government lives within its means.” But these ads also raise some questions: How will he repeal the health-care law, if the Supreme Court doesn’t already do it for him? How will he work toward balancing the budget, especially with the tax cuts he wants to pursue (and the offsets he hasn’t yet identified)?
*** The Bain story isn’t going away: A day after the Obama campaign seized on a Bloomberg article noting that Romney officials had told Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) to stop touting positive economic news in his state, Chicago is pouncing on a new story: Bain Capital, under Romney’s direction, invested in firms that outsourced jobs to China and India. The Washington Post: “During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.” More: “Bain played several roles in helping these outsourcing companies, such as investing venture capital so they could grow and providing management and strategic business advice as they navigated this rapidly developing field.” Folks, this story is a reminder that the Bain story isn’t going away…
*** My Own Private Utah: NBC’s Garrett Haake reports on Romney’s big donor-maintenance weekend in Utah: “Romney's top aides and donors have begun to trickle in to the posh Deer Valley resort area, spreading out across several hotels. Pollster Neil Newhouse, Romney consiglieres Bob White and former Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey and advisers Katie Gage, Ron Kaufman and Eric Fehrnstrom are all here. Finance Chairman Spencer Zwick arrived last night. On the donor/finance side -- Karl Rove is here, and Bill Bain has been spotted at one of the hotels housing the donor class.” As Haake mentioned yesterday, potential Romney VPs Tim Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, Rob Portman, and Bob McDonnell will also be in attendance.
*** Cook: Don’t bet on another wave election for the House: Turning to the outlook for this year’s House races, National Journal’s Charlie Cook doesn’t see a fourth-consecutive wave election -- at least so far. “[A] little more than four months out from the election, the tides seem about as neutral as they can be. Both parties have surprisingly comparable levels of exposure, largely because of redistricting. The relatively calm surface of this year’s waters belies a lot of offsetting tumult and change underneath. But for House Republicans, who hold a 25-seat majority, a status quo election producing minimal net change would be good news.” Cook concludes in his column, “Republicans would need to mess up pretty badly to lose their House majority in the near future.”
*** “Meet” has Rubio, Richardson: On “Meet the Press” this Sunday, NBC’s David Gregory interviews Florida Sen. Marco Rubio (R) and former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D).
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I would like to know how Karl Rove the Grand Wizard of super-pac “American Crossroads” is allowed to attend a sleep-over camp with Willard in Utah this weekend.
Isn’t this a flagrant violation of the law?
Then again, this is the GNOP we are talking about and we all know the rules don’t apply to them!
Executive orders have been used by many presidents to solve gridlock in Congress, and President Bush signed 291 executive orders over two terms. Notably for many Americans, Executive Order 13303 represents the foreshadowing of President Bush's approach to the Iraq war.
ADMINISTRATION OF GEORGE W. BUSH (2001 - 2009)
Disposition of Executive orders signed by President George W. Bush:
291 Total Executive orders Issued
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President Obama's directive to change immigration policy will affect 800,000 individuals younger than 30, who came to the U.S. before they were 16 years old, lived here at least five years, are without criminal or security threat, and have served in the military/or who are good students. They'll be permitted to defer deportation for 2 years and get a work permit. No amnesty/pathway to citizenship is involved. However, it will give a measure of safety and peace to young people who came here due to their parents' decisions. For many this country and its languge, may the only one they've ever known. These folks can work legally, pay taxes, and may start businesses of their own. For many reasons this move is good for the economy, as well as increasing America's potential for new ideas and innovation in the 21st century. It's a win-win all the way around. Bravo to President Obama and this Administration, for taking positive action!
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/wbush.html
http://www.dhs.gov/files/enforcement/deferred-action-process-for-young-people-who-are-low-enforcement-priorities.shtm
A new poll shows how misinformed Republicans are on world affairs.
The poll, constructed by Dartmouth government professor Benjamin Valentino and conducted by YouGov, found that fully 63% of Republican respondents still believed that Iraq had WMD’s when the U.S. invaded in 2003. By contrast, 27% of independents and 15% of Democrats shared that view.
Now we see what Mitt believes that Russia is “without question our number one geopolitical foe.”
Hello lefty folks. Got something for you to think about. Most of us like the idea of a national health care program. Hell, there was even a time Republicans liked the idea. That's what we would expect when it becomes clear that the current health delivery system is inadequate. Something on the order of 50-million citizens who cannot afford health care are de facto proof of that. Worse, based on national expenditures for health care and outcomes measured against similarly situated nations, our system just doesn't cut it.
President Obama's plan, as well as Romneycare, have clearly shown there is room for improvement. Although President Obama's plan has a long way to go, and it hasn't even been fully implemented, we have seen some incredibly important changes. You can't deny a citizen care based on a pre-existing condition. Children up to the age of 26 can tag along on their parents' insurance. There is no upper dollar limit on treatment costs, and there's more.
However, we may have been a bit too quick to dismiss objections that are very legitimate. If we are interested in national health care, we would serve ourselves well to look at them. For some time, we have been told that tort reform will only reduce health care costs by a very small amount. Some would have us believe the savings are negligible. It now seems to me, that is simply not true.
Lawyers - white knights and damned-near saints that they are - assure us that they are our front line sentries, watching for medical malpractice, incompetence, and other assorted shortcomings of medical practitioners. As citizens, we aid this line of thinking as we see our doctors as guarantors of eternal life. Having a good doctor means you will never get sick or die, right?
The American Medical Association hasn't helped the cause of doctors a whole lot by perpetuating this idea that the celestial hierarchy places doctors above angels, and maybe - just maybe - a step below a god.
For obvious reasons, most of us know a doctor. Some of us know many doctors. Some of us actually have doctors as friends. They're actually startlingly similar to ordinary humans, who simply spent a few more years in school, and don't mind getting close to other humans.
Typically, if we ask a question of a doctor, it's something like this: "How come I feel rotten?" Perhaps we should consider asking a few more questions. We really have to find out whether the fear of a lawsuit prompts umpty-ump tests that may not be necessary. We have to ask whether we don't expect too much of our medical practitioners. We have to find out how much of an impact "malpractice" premiums have on our doctors' costs of services.
Even if we get national health care, there will be a group of knee-jerk opponents for many years to come. They will find any objection no matter how ridiculous. However, it is in our best interests to eliminate legitimate arguments, and tort reform just might be one of those.
"During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas "
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PIONEERS
And if President Obama were to lose in November, the Congressional obstruction, the purposeful destruction of the economy, the voter purging, the war on women, the papers please legislation, the union-busting, the attacks on teachers and firefighters and police, birtherism, the opposition to marriage equality and economic equality and all the rest will have been rewarded, and the pathological lies from Mitt Romney will have been condoned. Daily Kos commentor
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Mitt's message? I know how to get people back to work, or something like that.
All of this gets excused day in, day out, by most of our media on air. They are selling out America, one Romney lie after another.
But it's easier to just blame President Obama. It's lazy thinking.
Elections do have consequences. For the working and middle class.
Romney wins, and you can kiss the America worker goodbye.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
A new poll shows how misinformed Republicans are on world affairs.
And some on this board wonder why non-yanks are so interested in your political choices and why we post. It is a tougher world to live in when big bro is elected by ignorance.
The Good Ship Lollipop
In modern terminology, that would be The Righteous Ship Obama. Yes indeed Obama the thinking man's president, the president no thoughtful person could possibly oppose. If you believe otherwise, then you are obviously a low life right wing slug without the capacity to appreciate this new era leader. This enlightened leader who has so graciously accepted the task of cleansing this unworthy country of all that afflicts it. Oh, and you would definitely be a racist too, which goes without saying. Such is the gospel according to the left, preached incessantly by the lost souls on this board and elsewhere in our fair land.
And if their savior should inexplicably lose his bid for reelection, well by golly that would be because of the evil tactics employed by those nefarious Republican scoundrels. And because dumb voters just don't get it. Dumb voters like those in Wisconsin who obviously were bought and paid for with dirty money, because after all how could any rational person possibly oppose the unions. So there can be no acknowledgement that the infallibility and greatness of Obama has been greatly exaggerated, instead the blame lies with the ignorance of those just can't see the greatness.
That of course is rubbish. President Obama is in trouble – really big trouble – because he's a left wing ideologue trying to govern a center-right country. And he has been met with fierce opposition not because the rest of us are dumb racists, but because we reject the decidedly leftward direction he is trying to take us.
We reject the mindset that demonizes our most successful achievers. We reject the worldview that sees the decline of America as inevitable and requires governmental interventions to salve the pain. Instead we embrace a vision of America that celebrates the values that made us strong in the first place: individual excellence, exceptional achievement and a creative entrepreneurial spirit. A vision where a growing prosperity driven by those values can be earned by all – not allocated to all by an activist government hell bent on redistributing a shrinking economic pie to ensure everyone gets their "fair share."
In anticipation of losing, some Democrats are already playing the blame game. But they need look no further than the man at the top of the ticket -- a man who is profoundly out of touch with America.
Good morning Feisty, Dennis, David, Pat,
In 2006: It was President George Bush's idea to allow firearms bought in the US to go across the Mexican border, so they could be tracked to drug cartels. After the weapons disappeared, the the Bureau of ATG did it again in 2007, and again in 2009.
Attorney General Holder called House GOP threats to hold him in in contempt of Congress "an extraordinary, unprecedented and entirely unnecessary action". He's already released 7,600 documents, testified on the Hill nine times, and said Fast & Furious was a mistake.
Issa is trying to make out this is an Obama Admin. cover up, but there is no evidence pointing that way. Anyone can see that Issa is manufacturing trouble in an election year.
President Bush started this gun-running fiasco in 2006. Hundreds of the most powerful weapons were sold to suspects over the border and never seen again. Now the fallout and attempt to re-direct the blame finger at the Obama Administration.
My two cents is that A.L.E.C. and the NRA are under the gun over "Stand Your Ground/Shoot First" laws that were passed in 26 states. (Now the NRA is offering you legal help if you are charged with such a crime.) Wal-Mart is the most recent company to pull support from A.L.E.C. due to the Shoot First Laws that have come into public light since - Trayvon Martin was shot by Zimmerman. Seems Issa is their man in Congress right now, in the tradition of "attack is the best defence".
The NRA and A.L.E.C. are on shakey ground over Shoot First laws....Enter Issa, and the inevitable GOP attack dogs.
You know the last couple of weeks I have noticed the right wing nuts & their Barry Kardashian reference...
I had NO idea where that came from until I heard a clip of Rush Limpball's last night...
Figures the sheeple would climb on board!
Rove and Willard having a sleep over? Now that's sick.
OBAMA IN 2012.
The Wicked Witch of the West flew her broom into a press conference and made the outrageous and ridiculous charge that Holder’s being held in Contempt of Congress for refusing to produce documents on the Fast and Furious f*ckup that got a federal Border Agent killed is somehow related to other actions being taken by the DOJ. Think about it: would the Witch’s connecting the F and F Contempt charge with Holder’s incompetence in prosecuting the 9/11 murderers make any sense?? Would her connecting the F and F Contempt charge with Holder’s incompetence in finding any gas price gouging make any sense??
Paraphrasing Slick Will Clinton: “It’s the incompetence, stupid.”
BTW, the REAL reason Nancy Pelosi is pissed off is this is being described as a “witch hunt.”
From Politico (emphasis added):
Pelosi: GOP's contempt move vs. Holder about suppressing voter rights
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Republicans are investigating Eric Holder because they want to distract him from stopping voter suppression laws.
The argument from the California Democrat is quite unique, as the party's argument has long been that the attorney general has provided enough documentation in the gun-walking investigation, and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is on a witch hunt.
Pelosi took it in a new direction during a 30-minute press conference, when she also lambasted Republicans as intransigent and unfit to govern.
"Contempt of Congress, contempt of Congress," Pelosi said. "To frivolously use that really important vehicle to undermine the person who is assigned to stop the voter suppression in our country. I'm telling you, this is connected. It is no accident. It is a decision and it is as clear as can be. It's not only to monopolize his time, it's to undermine his name. To undermine his name, undermine his name, as he goes forward to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
A spokesman for Issa called the charge "offensive."
“This investigation began a year and a half ago after a U.S. Border Patrol Agent was murdered and guns from Operation Fast and Furious were found at the crime scene," the spokesman, Frederick Hill, said in a statement. "For Minority Leader Pelosi to dismiss this tragedy and say the investigation is really about voter suppression is offensive and wrong.”
David, per your post, there was a terrific article over at Daily Kos yesterday about why people in our country are in the dark about the health care legislation:
So why do so many people not know what's in the law, and thus don't like it? Because the traditional media utterly failed in explaining it. Instead of talking about the legislation itself, the media talked about the process and the political fights. And it talked about it using the Republicans' framing. That's not just a liberal's complaint. It's the conclusion of researchers from the Pew Project for Excellence in Journalism.
"Death panels" and Koch brothers-orchestrated teabagger tantrums at town hall meetings were sexy and made for easy coverage, so that's what we got. As usual. Politics and strategy is what the traditional media always resorts to because it's easier than than real reporting, real analysis, and actual thinking about and explaining policy issues.
What Americans heard about the Affordable Care Act was the Right's message that it was bad, and that's what the American public generally believes, even though they strongly support most of the provisions of the law—when, if, they actually hear about them. The Right and the traditional media teamed up to make sure that wasn't going to happen.
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The American people get lied to on a minute by minute basis. And now the Supreme Court leaning the way it does, it doesn't look good.
Feisty Redhead - the real one - asked:
Actually, no. It seems an intrepid reporter has procured a copy of the agenda of the meeting between Romney, Rove, and other lovers of America.
At the top, it says: "As lovers of Judeo-Christian Principles, we pledge to obey the laws of this nation, which forbid any and all co-ordination of political activity between a candidate and Super-Pacs operating on his behalf." This is absolutely true, because I enclosed that statement in quotation marks.
We have also obtain a copy of the agenda, which includes among its topics: 1. How to keep your magic undies soft and snuggly. 2. The best lubricants for car elevators. 3. Horse dancing beyond ballet. 4. Mean reporters and why they ask really hard questions. 5. Why doughnuts have holes. 6. How to make unbreakable hair look breakable.
A good time will be had by all.
Fiesty (Post 1.0)
WOW, yet another FIRST POST by Fiesty. Just curious if you're a paid member of the MSNBC or DNC staff?
There's NO WAY the average person can have the first post in all the First Read articles the way you do. So just fess up. Let us all know just who you're working for. The gig is up Fiesty. Here's a list of First Posts just this week that I've noticed, for those of you who would like some "proof":
- 19 Jun – First Read – Romney Says Marco Rubio Being Thoroughly Vetted
- 19 Jun – First Read – Would Wealthy Really Pay Same Share of Taxes Under Romney
- 20 Jun – First Read – What Haunts Rob Portman
- 20 Jun - First Read – Obama Invokes Executive Privilege Over DOJ Documents
- 21 Jun - First Read - Obama's Own Immigration Challenge
Do you come up with these posts on your own, or do you work with the reporter to develop your leftist rants. It's time to shine the light of truth on you Fiesty, and expose you as a paid partisan political hack. You're certainly NOT the average "Viner" who's simply expressing their desire to comment on something in the news. But I suppose we'll soon hear from Sally or Tyler, or someone else on the MSNBC staff who will run to your defense. It's despicable that MSNBC has yielded the Newsvine system to paid political hacks, who try to help "spin" the news to support the Democratic Party and Obama. Instead of the motto of the NY Times "All the news that's fit to print", MSNBC's motto should be "We spin the news to suit our needs"
NOBAMA 2012!
Oh yes, Rush is the King of the Dumb Down America Crowd.
I knew it had to come from somewhere - the sheep aren't bright enough to come up with original thought if their lives depended on it! ;o)
Looks like someone above you has waaaay too much time on his hands! lol
Nice to see I manage to get under his skin...
PS: Johnnie-Boy - Tyler has told you how to deal with your obsession...
Backhouse, what we have learned throughout the years is that the Republican Party has no one's back in this nation. They are being bought by special interests. And now because of that, they are trying to make Eric Holder look as corrupt as they are.
And we have people in the media that are okay with that. We see them every day on television. They will never ever admit it and will just continue to "Blame Obama", but they are in fact, okay with our democracy going down the tubes. So long as the GOP are in charge. And as we have seen, that is what we get with a powerful GOP.
No democracy.
The Firsts
Republicans have lost their minds over the First African American President, Barack Obama and the First African American Attonery General Eric Holder. Should the House of Reprenstatives vote Attonery General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress it will be the first time an Attonery General of the United States is hauled off to a hold cell in the Capitol.Republicns put their party ahead of the nation ever since the incredible shrinking front man of the G.O.P, that'd be George W Bush, we have sufffered. Now, the G.O.P has morprhed into the party of the most incredible lunatics. They make GeorgeW Bush look half- way intelligent. They will think 2+2=6 if one of the their spineless GOP/Tea Bagger leaders tells them so. The right wing needs to pay less attention to the trash-talk of Darrel Issa and give more attention to what is happening to our country and democracy
One thing that is not the first are the LIES coming from the right!!!
It shouldn't be diffucult to see thru Romney' s Lies Florida
The Firsts Republicans have lost their minds over the First African American President, Barack Obama and the First African American Attonery General Eric Holder. Should the House of Reprenstatives vote Attonery General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress it will be the first time an Attonery General of the United States is hauled off to a hold cell in the Capitol.Republicns put their party ahead of the nation ever since the incredible shrinking front man of the G.O.P, that'd be George W Bush, we have sufffered. Now, the G.O.P has morprhed into the party of the most incredible lunatics. They make GeorgeW Bush look half- way intelligent. They will think 2+2=6 if one of the their spineless GOP/Tea Bagger leaders tells them so. The right wing needs to pay less attention to the trash-talk of Darrel Issa and give more attention to what is happening to our country and democracy.
It is absolutely ludicrous to belive President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder killed border Brain Terry. Why would either of the two single out one border agent? I mean that's just not common sense. It is In-Sani-TEA. According to G.O.P TV aka FOX NOISE that out of all the people in the United States President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder would pick this man to kill just so gun crimes would migitate the getting rid of the 2th amendent . This is an example of how brainless the right wing that listens to FOX NOISE has become.
Darrel Issa is going after Eric Holder not because Border Agent Brian Terry was killed but because his benefactors, the NRA and the GOP/TEA Party have ardent desire to tarnish the presidency of President Barack Obama and hus adminstration. They, the GOP/Tea Party, have said the main objective is to make President Obama a "one term Pressident". It should be obvious to any one with half a brain. There is a transportation bill, student loan bill, and don't for the J-0-B-S act languishing because the GOP/Tea Party is committed to wreck the economy.
The transportation bill would allow construction work for the summer. Since John Boehner promised to bring J-0-B-S in his ascendency as House Majority Leadder why can't he get it thru? BTW: where are the It has been 534 days since House Republicans have had the Speaker's gavel. Yet there have been 0 (zero), Nada zilch, "NO" J-0-B-S bills created yet. Americans are tired of waiting and this gridlock.
http://www.whenarethejobs.com/
For instance Mitt Romney asked Florida Gov. Rick Scott
Karl rove has destroy democracy speak how to 300 mill to
breaking the law
Karl Rove is a thug he should have ben arrested for outing Valierie Plame, Had Bush not executed his Presdential Privilege we would have this thug generating so much money with
One thing that is not the first are the LIES coming from the right!!!
It shouldn't be diffucult to see thru Romney' s Lies Florida
The Firsts Republicans have lost their minds over the First African American President, Barack Obama and the First African American Attonery General Eric Holder. Should the House of Reprenstatives vote Attonery General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress it will be the first time an Attonery General of the United States is hauled off to a hold cell in the Capitol.Republicns put their party ahead of the nation ever since the incredible shrinking front man of the G.O.P, that'd be George W Bush, we have sufffered. Now, the G.O.P has morprhed into the party of the most incredible lunatics. They make GeorgeW Bush look half- way intelligent. They will think 2+2=6 if one of the their spineless GOP/Tea Bagger leaders tells them so. The right wing needs to pay less attention to the trash-talk of Darrel Issa and give more attention to what is happening to our country and democracy.
It is absolutely ludicrous to belive President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder killed border Brain Terry. Why would either of the two single out one border agent? I mean that's just not common sense. It is In-Sani-TEA. According to G.O.P TV aka FOX NOISE that out of all the people in the United States President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder would pick this man to kill just so gun crimes would migitate the getting rid of the 2th amendent . This is an example of how brainless the right wing that listens to FOX NOISE has become.
Darrel Issa is going after Eric Holder not because Border Agent Brian Terry was killed but because his benefactors, the NRA and the GOP/TEA Party have ardent desire to tarnish the presidency of President Barack Obama and hus adminstration. They, the GOP/Tea Party, have said the main objective is to make President Obama a "one term Pressident". It should be obvious to any one with half a brain. There is a transportation bill, student loan bill, and don't for the J-0-B-S act languishing because the GOP/Tea Party is committed to wreck the economy.
The transportation bill would allow construction work for the summer. Since John Boehner promised to bring J-0-B-S in his ascendency as House Majority Leadder why can't he get it thru? BTW: where are the It has been 534 days since House Republicans have had the Speaker's gavel. Yet there have been 0 (zero), Nada zilch, "NO" J-0-B-S bills created yet. Americans are tired of waiting and this gridlock.
http://www.whenarethejobs.com/
For instance Mitt Romney asked Florida Gov. Rick Scott
Karl rove has destroy democracy speak how to 300 mill to
breaking the law
Karl Rove is a thug he should have ben arrested for outing Valierie Plame, Had Bush not executed his Presdential Privilege we would have this thug generating so much money with
One thing that is not the first are the LIES coming from the right!!!
John-2006106
Fiesty (Post 1.0)
WOW, yet another FIRST POST by Fiesty. Just curious if you're a paid member of the MSNBC or DNC staff?
yo john, so get the last word in by posting last ... that spot is always available ... in fact we in control present it to you without strings ... enjoy
Wow, I thought the title of this article suggested Obama's personal immigration problems! Maybe some new information on his birth certificate(s), or why he has a Connecticut SS#, even though he's never lived there! lol!
Silly me... this is msnbc, they want to keep that particular story under wraps, just like they do with the Fast and Furious debacle!
I didn't see Romney's speech yesterday re: immigration. Did he actually say President Obama hasn't acted on immigration reform through Congress?
Is it possible to be that much of a liar? To stand in front of an audience, with a microphone and tv cameras and utter those words? Looking everyone in the eye and then say President Obama hasn't acted on immigration?
Job1
I beg to differ, it appears "King" seems to an elected position now for the, oh so intelligent and highly reasoned left, whose mantra seems to be,"Yeah Baby! Tell us another lie and make it a Big One!,Oh YEEEEESSSSSSSSS! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS! You ain't done squat, but it FEEEEELLLLLLLS SSSOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOD When You LIE to me like That! Whisper in my ear! Tell Me Again what You gonna DO FOR ME in Your Next TERM! Oh Yeah BABY! THAT"S SOOOOOOOO GOOD! Let Me Write You Another ChecK!!!!
So who cares who posts first? Someone has to. I am more worried if my hair will grow back! See, I worry more about what I can control. Now one thing I can't control are my healthcare costs - I would hate to leave my hubby in bankruptcy. So, that is one thing. C'mon folks. You all represent some of the brightest political minds, try and keep it real - and respectful. Feisty is as passionate for her side as some of you on the right. Respect it - please.
Soooorry for the double post. My entry didn't post at the first every time I tried to edit it; it would freeze. However, if you think about it is worthy of being mentioned more than once!
Like Fiesty said in #1 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:57 AM EDT
Karl Rove's "American Crossroads" is allowed to attend a sleep-over camp with Willard in Utah this weekend. This is AGAINST the LAW.
Karl Rove has destroyed democracy. He will speak there and is going to raise $300 million to run bad ads against President Obama which we won't know who is donating it.
He is breaking the law.
Karl Rove is a thug he should have ben arrested for outing Valierie Plame, Had Bush not executed his Presdential Privilege we would not have this thug generating so much money and destroying the democracy in this country.
Get rid of Citizens United.
4ward for 44
Obama/Biden 2012
Hi Pat,
When the component parts of the Affordable Care Act are explained to folks, over two-thirds of Americans say Yes Please. Maybe even more now, as we're appreciating the parts that are in effect already.
Over 30 million folks who never had health coverage before, will be able to get via exchanges in 2014.
aka Obamacare... It is not yet in full swing, but the parts that are -- Insurance companies have to deliver on 80% of your premium costs or REBATE;
Insurance companies can't say No for reasons of pre-existing conditions;
Free preventive care; cheaper meds for seniors; young folks can stay on their parents' plans until 26 years old.
(And - if you like your doctor, of course you keep him/her - tired of listening to the Spin on that one.)
Thank you PRESIDENT OBAMA for KEEPING my FAMILY SAFE from DOMESTIC TERROISTS, those CRAZY TEABAGGERS, and and of course SAFE from RIGHT-WING WACKO REPUBUPLICANS.
All Freedom Loving Americans look forward to having you as our President again, for the next four more years.
I'm a Republican and I'm encouraging all my Republican friends, Independents, Conservatives, and Ron Paul supporters to VOTE a straight DEMOCRATIC ticket, come this November 2012.
No Freedom Loving American wants Mitt Romney to economically Destroy the Middle-Class.
phine phine phine is still a phancy of mine ... good to see you girl!!!
“For two years, this president had huge majorities in the House and Senate… But he did nothing to advance a permanent fix for our broken immigration system."
Exactly. So as the election nears, purely for the sake of political expediency, this President circumvents the law and issues an imperial edict completely ignoring the Constitution once again.
Backhouse:
What's your point? If you look at the Bush executive orders, the majority of them are for innocuous items that fall under the jurisdiction of the executive branch. Regardless of whether you agreed with his policies, Bush was a stickler for getting congressional approval for his actions, including the Iraq war. It isn't the number of times executive orders were issued as much as what they were issued for. I would argue that the fact Obama is issuing less of them only shows that he isn't doing his job. And, rather than use the executive order to expedite matters that clearly fall under his authority, he uses it to bypass congress and the law to institute policies that he wouldn't be able to implement otherwise.
Last of all, a shout-out to our limp-wristed little friend who got himself suspeded for a month for COH violations. Are you going into withdrawal yet? ROFL!
In a new PEW poll, just 28% of Americans feel that the country is heading in the right direction, a whopping 68% did not.
pretty low number there Obama.
PHINE!!!
Glad to see you posting...and as always well stated. I hope all is going well in your recovery. :-)
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Health insurers will dole out a total of $1 billion in rebates to 12.8 million Americans this summer -- an average of $151 per family --as a result of the 2010 health care reform law, the government said Thursday.
The rebates announced by the Department of Health and Human Services come from a provision of the law that punishes insurers who spend too much of policyholders' premiums for boosting company profits instead of paying for their medical care.
However, it's unclear if the insurers will have to have to issue rebates if the Supreme Court strikes down all of the health care law.
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I don't think anyone who needs this legislation is expecting the Supreme Court to do the right thing.
Let me explain the validity of Pat from Boston's posts. The state he comes from has 9% registered Republicans as voters. All but one Federal office holder from there is a Democrat. 95% of the state legislature are Democrats and 98% of all other elected officials are also Democrats. What does this get us? High taxes. Lousy services. Abysmal roads. Union police officers at Construction sites making $50 an hour. The last Speaker of the House, a Democrat? Convicted by the Feds of fraud while in office. The prior Democrat speaker of the house? Pled guilty to fraud while in office. The Democrat Speaker prior to him? Convicted of the Feds of fraud. We won't mention state officials, or John Kerry who lives in Massachusetts, but fraudulently registered his boat in Rhode Island to avoid paying taxes here. That in a nutshell is what people like Pat and Feisty want for the rest of America: higher taxes; corrupt officials giving money to unions; terrible services for those who pay taxes. Vote for Obama if you wish, but its your job he'll lose for you.
Well maybe not but if Karl Rove is involved then I would guess it's borderline and definitely unethical.
Glad to see you posting again Phine. I hope all is going well. We were worried about you and we had you in our prayers.
Good morning and Happy Friday! Lots of terrific thoughts posted here this morning by liberals. Had a great day working for the Obama and local democrat election team yesterday not to mention Tuesday and Wednesday evening efforts.
Feisty, if it smells fishy, it is fishy!
Regarding health care, there was an article in the QC paper yesterday which said that in 2010, 3 Iowans died every day because they had no health insurance. Now, we know that nationally it is about 45,000 per year who die needlessly. One would think that such staggering numbers would make America take notice but the problem is that 3 per day in Iowa or ??? per day nationally gets no attention. If they all died on the same day in the same place, people would notice. Sad, really sad.
When a political party, the GOPTP, flat out lies to people regarding the ACA--Obam-Ney Care--it is a tragedy and it is contemptible. It is one thing for legislators to exaggerate or spin, it is another to simply lie to people and convince them that something which, although imperfect but a positive start, was good for the American people was bad for them. There is simply something very wrong with that kind of political meanness especially when they used to believe it was necessary. Whether it is the FOX, Limbaugh liars or the GOPTP itself doing the lying, it is wrong and it is destructive to democracy.
John lotsanumbers, try going to one or two weeks ago and picking out the FR headlines, they were positive for Romney and negative for Obama. One other thing, John, you are a paid poster, too. Check out your Newsvine earnings, you get paid the same rate the rest of us do.
LIKE THE BUSH ECONOMY, VOTE ROMNEY! If not, OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 FIRED UP, READY TO GO.
Obozo's Immigration challenge: Why is his aunt STILL living as an illegal in MA under welfare and government housing?
For all you touting that Illegals are hard working people looking for a new start, or how they are not able to collect any benefits..Check out Obozo's aunt for the truth.
phinephancy -
Good to see you, and I second the motion about respect. If the worst thing people have to worry about in their lives right now are poll numbers or who gets to post first on a political blog on a network we're told nobody reads or watches anyway, then they are truly blessed, and I hope they never have to face the challenges that you or even I have lately.
By the way, what's on the outside is merely decorative and can be replaced. It's what's on the inside that counts, and I doubt your hubby would ever feel he got short-changed in any way.
Keep fighting the good fight!
For those mistakenly calling the Obama policy on immigration an Executive Order, it is not. Even the Obama administration has referred to it as an Executive Action. Which is nothing more then publically announcing that the Obama administration is going to ignore the law, and come up with something new to call it.
Funny how Obama was able to ram the stimulus through Congress, and ram the healthcare bill through Congress with the Democrats in control of both Houses. But at that same time Obama was unable to ram through a permanent fix for immigration reform, I guess it really wasn't all that important to him. Probably because Obama was busy deporting 1.5 million illegals, more then any modern president. Now we have Obama pandering for votes, I would bet you will see some ads pointing out his hypocrisy.
But nothing about the first lady of loon from the left, Nancy Pelosi claiming that Republicans are going after Holder because of voter suppression. Thousands of weapons were illegally sold to drug cartels, both US and Mexican citizens have died as a result, including a border patrol agent, and it was an operation so well run they never even tracked the weapons. The US government simply flooded Mexico with weapons and the Obama administration admittedly lied about the operation in a letter to Congress. Yeah this is all about voter suppression. It took a complete idiot to think that was the best response, but then again Nancy Pelosi thinks the American people are idiots, remember we needed to pass the healthcare bill so everyone could find out what was in it.
Phine,
Well said my friend.
All citizens have a right to healthcare and affordable insurance to get the treatment they need when they are sick.
Feisty Redhead:
It looks like the corporate media isn't much interested in the contempt for the law Romney and Rove are both exhibiting. Notice that First Read mentioned Roves' presence, but not the violation of even the lax campaign finance laws that the Supreme Court forced on the country. Incidents like, not to mention both these characters' habit of serial lying, make it clear that a Romney administration is going to loo be as crooked as the Bush administration was. And the media will no doubt give Romney the same obsequious treatment they gave Bush.
Jeff, just so you know, it's "she".
To your post, I went after John Kerry. WE ALL DID. We have had some bad democrats here. We have had some really bad republicans here - think Big Dig, think of Romney's 47th in the state for job creation while he used us as a stepping stone to the presidency. Think of how he didn't take the time to learn the names of the state senators or how lazy they thought he was. Think of how he was for the Iraq War, yet didn't send his sons. Think of how he tells illegal immigrants you can stay if you fight my wars. Think of the assaulting of his classmate. Think of how he was a pioneer in job outsourcing.
But most of all, think of Karl Rove and Bolten and all the GOP who want power back BADLY, and are using Romney to get it.
Think of what the GWB Administration did to our nation. Romney has them in his pocket because he has no values.
We ain't voting for Romney here. No way, no how. Boston democrats didn't sell this nation down the tubes. The Republicans in DC did, with the help of Wall Street and the media, who were vital in going after blue collar workers and blaming teachers and unions, etc.
That's Romney.
I won't lose my job under President Obama. I just got a raise, a damn good one too and the first one since the Wall Street recession hit us all. My job wont be outsourced. I'm one of the lucky ones who works for a company that can't stand Romney's policies. Even the GOP fundraisers in my office want nothing to do with him.
Remember Everybody, VOTE a straight DEMOCRATIC ticket come this NOVEMBER 2012.
Ronald Reagan once said: Mitt Romeney "TEAR DOWN THAT WALL" of secrecy about your hidden Swiss Bank accounts, your phony offshore Cayman Island shell-companies where your hide your Millions that you only pay a 15% tax rate on, when hard working folk pay much more, and your desire to economically destroy the middle class. All this isn't just wrong. It's sick.
Another Quote: "CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE" is probably Republican secret-code for "SOYLENT GREEN is PEOPLE". Is that what you have planned for us, to turn all us hard-working, Middle-Class Freedom Loving Americans into SOYLENT GREEN food for your 1% percenters? Is it?
The article is about Obama's own immigration challenge. I find it very telling that not a single post was about Obama's immigration challenge. There are a lot of off-topic posts filled with useless dribble, mostly from the left. I guess Obama really does have an immigration challenge since NOBODY can defend him on this topic. Not even his own followers.
Just say Nobama 2012!
phine, well said and nice to see you this morning.
Houston!,
No kidding! Simply amazing!
*waves to Phine*
Good to see you this morning!
Thanks JoAnne. I am fighting. My 11 year old granddaughter cannot understand why Grandma won't be around when she graduates from high school. Broke my heart. I have to win this fight. That's why some of this seems so ridiculous.
Jody, nice post about health care. These are stories the GOP media or Congress will never report.
Bill Fairfax:
Since Obama has NOT taken a "decidedly leftward direction," that does seem to leave open the possibility that you, at least, are a dumb racist.
That's the most sensible thing you've said in montths.
Oh yes, Rush is the King of the Dumb Down America Crowd.
JD Still, You just proved my point!
The President is still facing a "Do Nothing Congress" he had to use executive power to get as much done, even if it is temporary, because Congress has already voted down the Dream Act...
And congress did so because it gave citizenship to children of illegals... Give me a brake...
It's time this country to wake up and see the damage that the tea-party and peoplee like Norquist are doing to this country... And they will never except a black man in the white house... Period...
When are they going to deport Obama's illegal Aunt and illegal Uncle? All illegals need to be picked up and deported.
Houston!
Foolsgold writes...."Bush was a stickler for getting congressional approval for his actions, including the Iraq war."
Why thank you for reminding us that the blame for lying about WMD's in Iraq goes right to the top.....Bush Jr. is solely responsible for lying to the nation causing thousands of of soldiers deaths, thousands more wounded and dying, hundreds of thousands of deaths of innocent civilians, responsible completely for the debt of that war, responsible for war profiteers making off with BILLIONS of dollars they can't account for and never opened an investigation of it.
So you are proud that Bush jr. lied to the nation, proud that he lied to congress, but by god he was sure a stickler for getting approval of his lies.
Just a post indicating the Dead Head also knows nothing about the law. But it makes for good rabble-rousing.
Is this true? It's a tweet I saw over at The Obama Diary:
Romney opposed the Supreme Court confirmation of Sonia Sotomayor and paid for attack ads against her.
Hang in the Phine. Good to see feel well enough to come out!
backhouse -- at 1.1 as part of your paste there is the mention of the 800,000 illegal immigrants that will be affected by the President's action.
have you read anywhere about the effect that will have on employment? I wonder how many of the 800,000 already have jobs?
will this new pool of 800,000 worker now getting their work permit make it more difficult for the millions of Americans in that age group to find a job?
and since this is not a legislative action -- only temporary like so many of this administration's actions -- what happens if a future Congress or President reverses this action? will all of the illegal immigrants that came forward be deported?
there are many possibilities for unintended consequences with a temporary action such as this. i would prefer our Executive and Legislative branch to finally come together and do the right thing for the nation's immigration policy. failure to have done so falls on both parties the opportunity falls on both parties.
I love it when liberal schills and Obama apologists like Fiesty whine. Want a little cheese with that whine, Fiesty?!
Pat Boston MA.
Is this true? It's a tweet I saw over at The Obama Diary:
Romney opposed the Supreme Court confirmation of Sonia Sotomayor and paid for attack ads against her
Where's that worthless commie POS known as "Ruken?"
Did you all like his quote here yesterday that our military is nothing but "rednecks looking for a way to murder people legally?"
I noticed that NONE of the usual lefty suspects called him out on that. WHY?
Jake Tapper of ABC to Jay Carney: "In early 2011 the Justice Department wrote a letter to Congress in which they said something that was not true. . . . They said that ATF had nothing to do with guns going over into Mexico. That wasn't true. And it took them until December 2011 to take that back. Does — is there not a legitimate investigative and oversight responsibility to find out what the Department of Justice knew when they were giving false information to Congress?"
Good grief Jake, you better be careful. Keep asking tough questions like that and you'll be on the outside looking in in no time.
It is absolutely ludicrous to belive President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder killed border Brain Terry. Why would either of the two single out one border agent? I mean that's just not common sense. It is In-Sani-TEA. According to G.O.P TV aka FOX NOISE that out of all the people in the United States President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder would pick this man to kill just so gun crimes would migitate the getting rid of the 2th amendent . This is an example of how brainless the right wing that listens to FOX NOISE has become.
Beverely,
If you bothered to listen, the Republicans have said they did not believe nor do they believe that either Holder or President Obama were involved, but just want the documents to determine who was and how to make sure this does not happen again.
Btw Brain dead Pelosi thinks that this request for documents (started 18 months ago) is a conspiracy to suppress voters. How stupid is that? But I guess I can go out on a limb and say you and Fiesty and the President Obama can do no wrong crew actually believe that.
When George W. Bush publicly referred to Karl Rove as "the architect", he wasn't just referring to a member of the Bush cabinet orchestrating its major planning. He was using the common double talk of all Republicans for "changing the world to our One World specifications. Cheney was the back room president who himself lusted after the presidency since his party dumped his presidential run in 1994. However, like Cheney, Rove is as single minded and single handed about a run in the future. No matter who or what he has to crush to do that. This is not an American. This is a military war machine with a compulsive obsession to rule the country in his particular formation. And isn't he doing just that? So, how does President Rove sound to you? Because unless Citizens United is overturned, the presidency according to Republican billionaires is theirs to buy. You don't count as voters. Their money is their voice. Your voice has been silenced.
Obama does not care about the Hispanics, he is using them like political pawns. Even killing Mexicans with US guns. All he wants is your vote, after that you are no use to him....
What team Obama was trying to do was to advance a storyline in the media that since the ban on 'assault' weapons was lifted, Mexican drug gangs had been loading up on 'assualt' weapons in the U.S. This would have not only appealled to his 'gun control' base that were still hot over losing the ban, it would also make Obama into the defender of innocent Mexicans as opposed to the 'racist' Republicans who don't care how many little brown people their policies kill.... Good for the Hispanic vote.
It would have worked too, if only they had been able to sweep in and be 'shocked...shocked to discover' ( in "Casablanca style) that the drug cartels had all these recently bought in America 'assualt weapons'. The fact that the cartels had bought the guns from Obama (in effect) would not probibly have even come to light and even if it did it could be claimed that the sting came about because the Cartels were actively trying to shop for guns in America and Obama moved to put a stop to that.
But they lost the guns. So they couldn't sweep in and be heros.
Their sneaky plan backfired. Obama had no choice but to cover his tracks. Fail!
Where's that worthless commie POS known as "Ruken?"
Damage:
"Last of all, a shout-out to our limp-wristed little friend who got himself suspeded for a month for COH violations. Are you going into withdrawal yet? ROFL!"
So the republicans are placing all their hopes of change in the white house to a guy that cant make his mind up about tough policies, cant stand up to his base, isnt clear about his actual plans with details, doesnt want to tell us who is donating to his campaign, likes to out source jobs oversees and likes to cut taxes and hike up fees? but i can go on and on...
We will have at least two more yrs of the same obstructionist congress if republicans keep controll of the house... vote out the tea baggers!!
As long as the new hobby around here by the right wing nitwits is grave-dancing - I must give a shout out to our very own JoAnnaSmith1.
Fresh out of rehab & her first day back managed to earn herself a well deserved time out!
Poor old nag just isn't up to snuff anymore...
Politics, Politics, Politics.....same old sh$t, different administration....It just gets progressivly worse as time goes on...until we have a civil war and go through the thro's of agony that many others are now facing...Its still just going to be Politics. These guys that are in there now rupubs/dems, are only in it for one thing...MONEY and POWER....they could give a rats patoot about the rest of us....Words, thats all we get...no substance, no actual work...Yep, a good ol housecleaning is whats needed....
Jeff - sorry you hate Boston so much, as for me - Hi Pat, I'm coming your way mid July. Spending my vacation there as I refuse to spend my hard earned vacation dollars in a repugnant state. It is my second visit to Boston, I absolutely love the city and the beaches (Light house tour here we come!) and the great seafood. If we can figure out how to withstand the winters it may be a retirement option for us in the near future. Certainly not going to retire in a repugnant state, would not stay in my home state if I were not so close to retirement. We are close enough to KY that I can drive across and shop there so I don't pay any extra taxes for haslam to syphon off to another state.
Seldom Seen - Now about the President's social security number, how do you know it was issued in Ct? In all the years I've worked in the medical field and in medical research a person's social security number is the big "no,no" and if you know anything about another person's ss # (of any political party whether they hold an office or not) you are probably breaking the law yourself and at best this is very unethical on your part. As far as his birth certificate goes, the one I saw is as complete as mine from Tennessee and I've never had anyone question it, what does yours look like? there are a lot of first generation born Americans, do you want to tell my boss (a very educated md,phd) that he is not qualified to hold an office in government just because his parents were not born here, even though he was? if so then you can say bye, bye to Rubio, right? Sorry fella, what is good for the goose is usually good for the gander, and by now you should realize all that rubish is a dog that just won't hunt.
You all need to get used to the idea - Bubba in the south is not going to vote for a Morman, all the Baptists and evangelicals in the south are not going to vote for a Morman, they can't risk the exposure of being called out for all these years of teaching how evil the morman cult is. I have friends who are mormans, have nothing against them, but facts are facts. I know these facts becasue I've lived in south "Bubbaland" all my life.
<yawn> another post of rhetoric leftist propaganda filled with half-truths & out right lies by a boozing socialist redhead...
...nothing new...
Ideology
"And some on this board wonder why non-yanks are so interested in your political choices and why we post. It is a tougher world to live in when big bro is elected by ignorance."
We are interested first of all because everything the US does impacts most everyone else in this ever shrinking world. As they like to say here in Canada - When the US sneezes, we get a cold.
The second reason I personally am interested is because I'm trying to figure out what makes some of you tick. Sometimes I just can't believe how ignorant and ridiculous some of the comments on this post are.
Yawn another boring vine, no one even staying on the article. usual bolstering of each other's ego's I see the same ole tired ole twits that need baths and a life beyond being keyboard geniuses and warriors.
Poppycock. Sometimes I think he is a DINO. And we are not a center-right country. There are more left of centers than than right from center. (keep in mind I am not talking party line, I am talking social and fiscal beliefs). It is one of the reasons Republicans are terrified of the growing minority population, at least first and second generation new Americans tend to vote Dem.
...I see the same ole tired ole twits that need baths and a life beyond being keyboard geniuses and warriors.
Hypocrite much?
The liberal liers and cry babies on here can spew all the lies and BS they want. The TRUTH is they are soooo afraid they are going to lose come november and their little dictator will be replaced with someone who actually loves this country and will try to fix it instead of destroy it.
Headlines to read: BOZO LOSES IN A LANDSLIDE ELECTION!!!
Personaly I'll take the Mormon over the Moron any day!
@Backhouse #1.7: Your sources are indeed quite correct. Issa the criminal, is in fact leading a deflection tactic in the futile hope the electorate will shift focus from those "stand your ground" or "shoot first" laws, enacted by various states. The President and Attorney General Holder were smart enough to see through His claptrap, and instead of allowing themselves to get caught in it, have indeed maneuvered this criminal dunce into His own rickety constructed illusion, along with several other grinning GOP rats. Regards
If you don't like it, go find another sandbox. You won't be missed.
Phine,
Glad your back, you have been missed.
In reply to Jeff's comments about Massachusetts...I say, get off your duff and travel to some of the 'red' states.
You want to talk about abysmal roads....I got news for you. Some of the southern red states roads look like a war zone that hasn't been paved in decades. I see road crews out ALL THE TIME here in Mass repaving roads.
You want to talk about the State Police - go for it but realize that the Republican minority supports them tooth and nail. You'll remember that one of the previous candidates for Lt. Governor was a former State Police Chief. Don't also forget Worcester Counties sheriff (a Republican) is not only collecting his Sheriff salary but also MA state disability for his 'accident' working for the police force. Corrupt - you bet ya' But they ain't Democrats.
You want to talk about high taxes? Check out CT, or RI...or even TX with it's high sales taxes. What do we get for it? Well...top 10 in the nation for produced goods exports, top ten in medical, top ten in national education, home prices INCREASING as opposed to decreasing values down south, employers hiring and expanding businesses.
Yeah...it's so horrible here why don't you take some of that great Tea Party advice and simply move where you find it more to your liking. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
Why do I continue to read anything posted on Msn's website?
So glad to see the same Left Wing posters harping on the same old stale talking points. And anybody who speaks other wise is attacked personally.
Thank you Feisty, by starting us off with the first post, that has nothing to do with anything in the article. This is why you get collapsed. You are the Queen of liberal tactics, name calling and attacks (post 1.67), but if you're first and their is no one to name call you just completely ignore the uncomfortable topic at hand all together and try to deflect and change the subject. Congratulations, your training has taking you far, you couldn't successfully debate a mute, but that's not the point.
I thought this article was going to be about Obama close relatives who are illegals and who've benefited from his being elected so they can stay at the White House instead of being deported....man, was I way off.
It's sad...it appears that MSNBC merely writes fluff pieces so it can generate blogphsere buzz by liberals. The authenticity of mainstream "journalims" is long dead...
And I've also wondered if that Fiesty Redhead poster is a paid schill..."she" always seemed to get away with writing things I see others banned for writing. I mean, it's no big secret that Newsvine is a liberal mouthpiece media outlet but come on...it's just too blatant to go unnoticed if you pay the least bit of attention.
Feisty is highly compensated to rant against anything Republican or conservative and to change the subject on anything that could possibly reflect negatively on Obama, The Democrats, and/or any other Liberal. She does a great Job at this. Fortunately other than her loyal ultra liberal minions everyone knows what she posts is purely BS.
See Illogical One,
This is why you aren't credible - try reading prior to shooting off your mouth next time! lol
From FR above;
You are under the mistaken idea I care about you freedom speech Nazi's...
Collapsing a comment only makes people open it to see why - in the meantime, you manage to take out all the right wing nitwits in the process...
Brilliant strategy! lol
If you call the lefties out on their "information, ie, facts" you will be canned on here. BUT if you are a leftie like good ol red then you can post whatever you want and be back the next day. Just look at the picture she has up. If it was a republican that had anything even close to that they would have to change it or not post. Just typical liberal double standard. AGAIN...landslide defeat in nov. ITS COMIN LEFTIES!!!
I Just took one example here. But how's this for an idea? Let's stop with the partisan politics, let's call a spade a spade, let's drop the petty bickering, and let's put the blame where it belongs - on BOTH parties. They both point their fingers at the other side for not doing anything about "x". And then, when they get into power, what do they do about "x"? Not one damned thing! So let's just stop it. Right here, right now. Let's tell the Reps and the Dems, that they haven't figured it out. The solution to all our woes is to get rid of the problem. And that they ARE the problem. So come November, let's party like it's 1775, and throw EVERY LAST BUM OUT ON THEIR ASS! We'd probably be better off if we just took voter registrations and randomly picked people for the job.
Spit on Mitt and Nobama 2012
You don't have to listen to any of these people here. Make up your own mind. Are you better off now than when Obama was elected? Are you looking forward to another 4 years of him being the President? Is the economy better? How will your American Children be in 4 years? Feel cofident about your rights as an American? Answer these questions to youself. Our country and our children is what we are fighting for. "OUR COUNTRY". Remember, this is America, or it was once.
Wow, nice simple solution, Thomas Paine; except that the country is split just about evenly on what ought to be done about "x". So, after we get rid of all the current politicians, which side's proposals do we adopt? So, your solution is not so simple....just simplistic.
Obama's immigration problems - Yes, Obama has deported more illegals than all the other presidents. And, yes, that WILL give him problems taking the Latino vote. But, he uses the carrot as well as the stick. Romney's "carrots" are just green cards, for those who would already get them. I think the Latinos will still back Barry, for the most part.
BOZO: I will cut the deficit in half my first term...LIE
I will have the most transparent admin. ever...LIE
There will be no lobbiest in my addmin....LIE
I will go through each bill line by line...LIE
I havent heard anything about fast and furious...LIE
He said bush was unpatriotic for the debt on his watch. HE has HOW much on his???? UNPATRIOTIC!!!
He has created NO jobs, NONE! Shovel ready jobs anyone? Ring a bell??
HE is the laughing stock of America. Just look how the other countries treat him. They wont even shake his hand at times. HE (and you other lefties) WILL destroy this country if he stays in. THAT AINT HAPPENIN!! Thank GOD he will be gone! SORRY lefties, didnt mean to say anything what so ever about GOD. I know how offensive that word is to you.
Try reading this : Business/Default.aspx?id=1616090
Romney's "carrots" are just green cards, for those who would already get them.
True, Romney isn't offering Latinos much in terms of illegals, but contrast that with Obama who promises them the world, has a Democratic congress for two years and doesn't deliver squat. Now when the election nears he makes a half-hearted gesture clearly designed to garner their votes and expects them all to fall in line? While there isn't really a question that the majority of the Latino vote will still go for Obama, I would have to agree with the FR premise that unlike 2008, Obama has some issues with Latinos, and their votes are not necessarily "in the bag". Latinos are not as gullible as he thinks.
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The media has it COMPLETELY wrong and continues to perpetuate lies. Obama's immigration challenge will concern the fact that he has offended a majority of American citizens and LEGAL immigrants are a result of his rewards-and-special-treatment-for-immigration-lawbreaking scheme. Americans are FED UP with our government refusing to enforce our laws (the MOST GENEROUS IN THE WORLD). It is also nauseating to see who can pander the most to the lawbreakers and their insufferable advocates!
While Obama has reported deported a large number of people, his unilateral grant of special treatment to ILLEGALS will be his downfall (that in addition to his refusal to conduct workplace raids, and his pledge to promote amnesty to ILLEGALS). ILLEGAL immigration imposes catastrophic costs upon American taxpayer services, and MOST AMERICANS ARE AWARE THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!
This is why a recent CNN poll revealed that 75% of Americans support Arizona's ILLEGAL immigration enforcement law that is currently before the Supreme Court. This is also why 30% of the signatories to the referendum that prevented the so-called "Maryland Dream Act" from going into effect were REGISTERED DEMOCRATS (like me) and another large percentage were Independent voters and including African Americans who are among the groups most harmed by the blackmarket labor scheme that the far left has embraced!
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
I am sure when he addresses NALEO on immigration, immigration reform, and his record there will be the standard, lies, empty promises, and blaming of Bush and the Republicans. Because that is what losers do - lie, make promises they have no intention keeping, and blame others. As a fallback, I am sure he will bring his knee pads
I am sure when he addresses NALEO on immigration, immigration reform, and his record there will be the standard, lies, empty promises, and blaming of Bush and the Republicans. Because that is what losers do - lie, make promises they have no intention keeping, and blame others.
As a fallback, I am sure he will bring his knee pads
"Collapsing a comment only makes people open it to see why - in the meantime, you manage to take out all the right wing nitwits in the process..."
No, most people who post here have already figured out you are nothing but a paid tool for the left and we don't care what propaganda you've been told to spout this time.
Beaver in Chicago... so what's your point, many Americans think Sotomayor, sucks! Romney just likes to act on that! Let me know where I can send my contribution for ads attacking a justice that thinks the US Constitution is 'dated' and has told Egyptians, not to consider our Constitution when writing their's!!!
@Terry-Ca, race is subset of the factors motivating todays GOP, it is not the primary set of factors, today's GOP only wants to reward those who have made it to the top. They care not a whit about the poor, the elderly, or the disabled. Their attitude is facing hard times? WE DON'T CARE, work or starve we will NOT help you.
NH Shellback, I read your posts and I have to wonder why I have not put you on ignore before now. Your posts read like regurgitated fox news points. You accuse the left of trying to buy the election, lying and even trying to steal the election. If the left was as despicable as you claim, what is wrong with that? The GOP is doing everything you claim the left is doing on steroids. Mitt Romney is not only a serial liar, he refuses to admit he has lied when he has been caught in a lie. Time me lock door on you. I don't care how you reply if you reply, I don't have to read anything else you read in the future. Thank God I saw the light and am a progressive Republican FOR O'bama.
Hi Five to the fellow Republican for O'bama who also wrote a post in this discussion.
Wade...there is no such thing as a republican for BOZO. If your for that idiot your PURE left!! PURE, not an ounce of republican in you so that makes YOU as big a lier as Bozo. Hi Five that!
Yes, much... MUCH better off. My take home income has increased by 50%. My stock portfolio has DOUBLED. And I just got back from a beautiful Caribbean vacation... already planning the next one.
If anyone else is not better off, then they are a complete FAILURE at life. You were handed one of the single best investment opportunities of your lifetime (2008 stock market), if you did not take advantage of that then that is YOUR fault. If you did not recognize a changing world, as technology changes the way we communicate, shop, and do business... and you did not change with that world, that is YOUR fault. Obama did not force anyone to make bad decisions, people did that on their own.
So if you have not benefited in the last 4 years, the ONLY person to blame is YOU... because YOU have failed.
Considering the other alternative wants to start ANOTHER war, with Iran this time... and we CAN NOT afford another war... YES, I am looking forward to another 4 years.
If Romney is successful and starts his war, considering both China and Russia back Iran, we may be looking at a potential WW3. That will destroy "our country" both financially and literally (Russia has thousands of nukes).
So I am NOT looking forward to another war-monger as President.
Stock market was 8,000 in 2008, it's jumping between 12,000 and 13,000 now... companies are obviously doing better.
In 2008, we were in a nose-dive with layoffs running rampant. Now, we are leveled off. In my book, leveled off is a MUCH better alternative to a nose-dive. A rising economy would be better, but our current situation is still better than the 2008 free fall.
So, by comparison to 4 years ago, the economy IS better. Now if you said 6 years ago, and the height of 2006, then the answer would be different.
4 years older... or possible dead if Romney starts his war and we are involved in a nuke-heavy WW3.
Not as long as right-wing extremists sit in Congress, trying to FORCE their religion and religious laws down my throat... telling me how to live, what to do in my own bedroom, who to marry, what I can watch on TV, what I can say in public, what I can do with my own body.
So NO... as long as Republicans keep pushing their religious theology, trying to force us into a fascist state, run by religious law, I do not feel confident about my rights.
mguy-478 I am happy for you to have done so well! You should start giving advise to others on how to make money, because unless you work for "big government" you didnt make much if anything the last 3 1/2 years. BUT sense you are a leftie I'm quit SURE we can believe EVERTHING you just posted. NOT!!
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Why would I work for "big government"? Those retirement plans are nothing compared to my 401k. Plus I make WAY more money in the private sector, and government has historically been slow to adapt to changing technology.
The fact that you believe ONLY government jobs have made money in the past 3 years is proof that you have FAILED at life. Let me guess... you work in an industry that has historically been lucrative, unfortunately you lack the foresight to see that technology has changed the way every business works. You did not adapt, you did not change, you tried to maintain the "old way" of doing business, and this led to your failure. Now you blame Obama for the fact that YOU and YOUR bad decisions have resulted in the mess you call a life. Must be that 'personal responsibility' we hear so much about.
Sorry, but I can't help the fact that you lack foresight and the intelligence to recognize and adapt to changing times. That is a personal deficiency on your part, and one that is not likely to change. The best you can do is cross your fingers and hope that your standard way of making money will last just long enough to sustain your lifestyle.
What I can do is offer some basic investing advice: When it comes to investing in the stock market, or in a home... buy low, sell high. That's it, buddy. The people that did not invest in 2008, when the market was low, are complete morons.
I didnt lose any money. I could see what was coming. I didnt like everything bush did. I'm not like the koolaid drinking libs on here. I didnt make much either. But also BOZO has been the worse thing to ever happen to this country...EVER! I just THOUGHT jimmy peanut brain carter was bad! With BOZO he actually looks like he knew what he was doing.
Un Cincuenta y Dos del Ano Pasado Hecho
(stay strong Phinephancy, all your friends are pulling for you, big time)
Los Rombotos Mittronic has had a week and still can’t find the answer to the vexing conundrum that is immigration in these Estados Unidos. After the President deftly outmaneuvered El Willardo, all El Romboto Grande can come up with is self deportation and/or I’ll do something if you vote for me. The pinata-headed candidate could have taken a page out of the Saint Ronald of Our Holy Church of Reagan playbook and gone for amnesty, but that would have been “am-nasty” to the new generation of John Birching, tri-corn wearing race baiting and hating Teapublicans that infest the land like a scourging, pestilential infected abscess of political idiocy. El Mas Romboto Gordo doesn’t even realize that self-deportation started as a satire in California in the 1990’s. It was perpetrated upon California Governor Pete Wilson by his Latino opponents and now is starring in the Romboto campaign because Pete Wilson is one of Romboto’s advisors. See Teapublican’s this is what is meant when people say, “Quienes no aprenden de la historia estan condenados a repetirla“.
Convicted criminal and soon to be ethics violator Rep. Darrell Issa kept his six sided ball rolling with the vote out of committee to recommend to the House that A.G. Eric Holder be cited for contempt of Congress. While most Americans already hold Congress in contempt, Issa believes he can pin the failed Bush “gun walking” program to the present administration. The Attorney General has testified numerous times and produced over 7,000 pages of documentation and over 2,000,000 e-mails. Further, Chairman (and Viper voice) Issa has not allowed witnesses with exculpatory testimony to appear before the committee. Clearly, Teapublicans are trying to stab at the from hell’s heart and for hate’s sake spit their last breath. To bad, so sad, most Americans would rather Congress take up the transportation bill or the American Jobs Act so we could have a few more jobs around here. Issa will soon know the meaning of “hoist by his own petard”. For a foul and malodorous petard it is.
Were you tired of money? If so, this will put a spark in your starter as Moody’s downgrades the credit rating of JPMorgan Chase (losing $2 billion and counting), Goldman Sachs (dead Sachs walking), Citigroup, (the Alex Baldwin, Jimmy Fallon bank), Bank of America (named after the country they’re killing) and Morgan Stanley (who I thought was Chasing JP but I guess not). The bad news, since it will be more difficult (and expensive) for these institutions to obtain credit, they’re going to pass those costs on to you, the consumer. Because hey, those car elevators don’t pay for themselves. More bad news, due to these banks exposure in Europe, more downgrades could be in the offing, causing interest rates to rise at these institutions. The good news, these banks might…(I said might) wise up and stop gambling their depositors money in derivatives and other speculative instruments and start investing them in construction and business start-ups. As of now, the markets are staying calm due to the previous anticipation of these downgrades and Federal Reserve action to keep monetary liquidity in the banking system. Way to go, 1 percenters, do us a favor, don’t do us any favors.
In a move that will no doubt be decried as rampant socialism by Teapublican stalwarts, the federal government has issued new rules to help prevent foreclosures and financial ruin for active duty service members. The Federal Reserve, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, National Credit Union Administration and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency issued guidance directing financial institutions to make sure service members permanently transferred are given proper advice on federal mortgage relief programs and are not told to skip payments or waive special protections in their mortgage agreements. The new program also allows service members to be automatically approved for selling their homes at market rate even if the home value is less. It is estimated that this will help about 280,000 service members annually. For all the people that says government doesn’t help, look upon these works and rejoice.
Finally, the perils of being in the 1% were made manifest as a BMW misses it’s parking space in Chicago. A gentleman returning the posh luxury vehicle to Enterprise rentals inexplicably accelerated, breaking through the barrier wires and landing on a Jaguar and a Mercedes. Eye witness, Vicky Baftiri, was leaving her parking space and remarked that if those cars hadn’t been there she would have been hit. Hey, one percenters, way to suck it up for the common man (or woman as the case may be). Fortunately, the seventeenth best healthcare system in the world did not have to be accessed. Thanks for taking one for the team 1 percenters. First time for everything, I suppose.
Tiene un agradable fin de semana y un fin de semana fantastico.
Wade...there is no such thing as a republican for BOZO. If your for that idiot your PURE left!! PURE, not an ounce of republican in you so that makes YOU as big a lier as Bozo. Hi Five that!
http://www.republicansforobama.org/ Still want to call me a liar TrueTexan? I am a Lincoln Republican. My mindset dates back to the 1860's. As far as I'm concerned EVERY "republican" not in line with what Lincoln stood for and died for is a R.I.N.O. Your call yourself a Republican, you DO NOT know the history of your own party, you have no IDEA of what being a Republican really means.
I CARE about the health and future the Republic, not well being of 1 percent, or the official party line. For me voting for Romney would be voting for an evil demented CLOWN. A vote for Romney is a vote for FASCISM.
Ranting like you are doing just proves how out of touch some people really are. In this day and age of instant information available at your finger tips to post such out and out drivel is amazing to me.
What is truly sad is that I suppose there are those low information folks who will buy into this type of ignorance and end up voting against their own best interests.
By the way if you can get past the big words maybe you should do some research on President Carter and his legislative accomplishments.
Did you mean me Cory?
Someone on here said these folks represent some of the brightest political minds...I didn't know I could laugh that hard. Thanks for making my day!
Technically, America is not center right. Most Americans are liberal on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, and most are liberals in the fiscal sense that the government should help those that can't help themselves. We are most likely a centrist to center-left nation. And Obama is nowhere near being a lefty ideologue. I should know; I am a lefty. Obama supported an individual mandate while I back single-payer government healthcare. Obama supports raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans while I say raise them on ALL Americans. Obama proposes $60 billion for infrastructure projects; I say go $200 billion A YEAR. Obama wanted a 3:1 deal on the deficit in favor of spending cuts; I say go 1:1 on spending cuts and revenues. Obama isn't a lefty; the ONLY reason why you call him a socialist is because you and your party are fascists. I agree with Wade; I am a Democrat at heart, but I respect the Republican Party of Lincoln and Roosevelt.
Neither do I, my left-wing friends, or the President and the Democrats. We don't believe in a decline-based ideology. I think that while we are stuck in the rut, our best days are ahead of us. But we have to fight for those good days tooth and nail. We don't demonize the successful; we demonize the successful that have created a plutocracy and have corrupted the equality that built this country. We support achievement and a creative entrepreneurial spirit, but we believe that America is a collective community of people working together for the common good, not an individualist-based nation where everyone is on their own.
Where were you over the past 30 years???? That was EXACTLY what has been happening! The government has cut taxes for the wealthy, allowing them to amass massive amounts of wealth and influence over our leaders. We have neglected policies and programs that help the middle class in favor of a top-down economic approach with the assumption that "the wealth will trickle down" to the poor. We believe that people should PAY their fair share and taxes and have EQUAL opportunity to use their skills for success, no matter who they are or where they are from.
Yep, you got that right; Romney is the most out of touch candidate that I have ever seen. Even Steve Forbes and Dubya look populist compared to him.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Personally, I don't see how the private sector can manage healthcare better than the government. The private sector relies on consumer knowledge; they need sales from people who know what they want to buy. But the fact is, nobody knows when or where they will need healthcare. It could be when you're 75 and in a hospice, or when you're 36 and on a vacation. Plus the private sector relies on a steady stream of revenue from sales; if competitors steal their business, they will most likely have to increase prices or go out of business. Over 100,000 Americans die every year because they cannot afford healthcare operations. That, in itself, ought to rattle even the most hardened of free market purists. There is no silver bullet for healthcare; every model out there has its problems and its benefits. But for me, I see models in the nations of Britain, France, Canada, and Taiwan. They have some of the best healthcare systems in the world, with low costs and high efficiency. To all my liberal friends out there, don't fret. In about 20 years, we will have government healthcare. It will happen. It's only a question of when. I don't care if it's socialist, totalitarian, or anti-capitalist; capitalism sometimes sucks. We need to expand on Obamacare; eventually, we need to adopt government healthcare, but this is a good transition step. Conservatives, if the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare (or the individual mandate, at the very least), we liberals will coalesce to back universal healthcare. You will essentially be shooting yourselves in the foot.
And by the way, the individual mandate was created by the Heritage Foundation, and was set forth by a Republican senator John Chafee in 1993. Even Senator Orin Hatch and Bob Dole supported it. And the grassroots conservatives and free market purists didn't attack it then. I wonder why????
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Phine - I had cancer almost 8 years ago - Lymphoma - and lost my hair. My wonderful Doctor told me to take Biotin, 5,000 mg. My hair grew back quickly and very thick albeit curly till the chemo cycled out of my system. I still take the Biotin and it is great for the hair and the nails. Hang in their baby. There is no one who knows what you are going through other than a fellow cancer survivor. Laugh often and surround yourself with friends, family and pets.
Ty Freshieee, I wish progressives like myself were in control of the GOP. Instead we stand with the Democratic party. The irony is the progressive Republicans of the 1860's stood against the Southern Democrats whose platform was just about the same as the platform of today's GOP. I see where today's struggle for control could lead to a second civil war.
When the GOP of today acts like Southern Democrats, I should walk in lock step with today's GOP, I don't think so. If there is a civil war this time around it will be because people have forgot history in their obsession to return to the policies of the 1800s. The 19th century while idealized was never a golden age. I am willing to die before I accept the Republic being run like that again.
I don't believe a word OUR president says.
Than you must think Romney is Pinocchio.
About Government health care .For all of my working life I always had health care coverage,always therefore I am one of the few who speak truly with knowledge of this subject as an ordinary worker wh o actually knows about this from personal experience. The reason that we need all of the population covered, is obvious if anyone thinks about it ,with common sense and fairness.When we are young,we are usually healthy,therefore our claims on the Medical system are slight. When anyone pointed this out, the reasonable answer was to think of it as Pre-paying as we would need it when we were old and in poor health. That is the system in all of the countries with a government run Health Care System .It is not quite the same ,unfortunately,in our country at the present time,because this is neither State nor Federal. When you retire you will be required to continue paying for what is called Supplementary Health Insurance. Our present President and the Democratic Party are trying,without too much chance,thanks to opposition from the other party, to make our nations medical system equal to that of most of the other industrial nations. If we are as rich and powerful as we claim,shouldn't this be atainable?
I never post in the fox news blogs, being a center left moderate, why do hard right people post in the newsvine. It makes as much sense as me trying to use the ladies room.
Freshieee
First off, learn how to spell. Second off, you've got a big surprise in November.
Obama has already proven himself as a man that can't be trusted.
Does the phrase "Read My Lips" ring a bell? Obama does the same thing when HE talks.
Romney can't be trusted Leiya. As to O'bama not being trustworthy, prove it or shut the f-ck up. I am sick and tired of wild claims the GOP cannot prove. Prove it or shut up. Who cares how Freshieee spells, you are just nitpicking because your own posts have no more substance than cotton candy.
As far as Freshieeee is concerned/ I agree with more of your statements than I do of the right wing people,in fact I never agree with the views of the far right.I can't understand how my children ,their children and my gt.grandchild can be Republicans of this time period
That question has haunted me for months, listoire. Why do people constantly vote against their best interests?? If the Republican Party, which I have come to hate and despise, should live, I say have them revert back to the GOP of old, not of Roosevelt or Lincoln, as the Democrats have taken that spot for the time being, but of the 1950s, of men like Dwight D. Eisenhower. I believe that the rightward tilt of the GOP began with Senator Joe McCarthy's Commie-bashing, and that survives even to this day. I would gladly be called a socialist; the fact is that I am interested in business. But I would rather be a socialist than a fascist...
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Didn't quite make this cut with this one hu? Funny.
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Backhouse,
Good point. If you comb your hair right, nobody will notice.
Romney To Republican Governor: Discussing The Economic Recovery Will Hurt My Election Chances
By Tara Culp-Ressler on Jun 21, 2012 @THINKPROGRESS
Republican governors in states across the country have been touting their states’ economic growth, pointing to falling unemployment rates and continued signs of economic recovery. Gov. Terry Branstad (R-IA) has expressed frustration that Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is using his state as an example of the nation’s economic woes.
However, since positive economic messages directly contradict Romney’s central campaign push — convincing voters that Obama has made the economy worse — the Romney campaign would prefer to downplay any signs of recovery.
In fact, the Romney campaign has directly asked Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL) to “tone down” his positive statements about Florida’s improving economy because they inconveniently clash with Romney’s national narrative. Two campaign officials confirmed that Scott has been asked to instead say that his state’s economy would improve under a Republican presidency, Bloomberg News reports:
What’s unfolding in Florida highlights a dilemma for the Romney campaign: how to allow Republican governors to take credit for economic improvements in their states while faulting Obama’s stewardship of the national economy. Republican governors in Ohio, Virginia, Michigan and Wisconsin also have highlighted improving economies. [...]
A Romney adviser made the request this week to Scott’s staff after press releases from the governor’s re-election campaign and Internet messages from the Florida Chamber of Commerce trumpeted the state’s drop to 8.6 percent unemployment rate in May from 8.7 percent in April, the people said. The national unemployment rate is 8.2 percent.
Although Romney continues to lament the economic failures of the country under President Obama, even his campaign now acknowledges that things are improving. As Americans continue to climb their way out of the Great Recession, the GOP’s contradictory messages aren’t telling them the whole truth about a slowly recovering economy.
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What a conundrum for Mitt and his republican cohorts. Mitt one note may lose the only card he can play with some drawbacks as It also can be interpreted as further evidence, that the GPO/TP candidate and his party are cheering on the economy to fail and thereby the country……..such gold star patriots
Obama does not care about the Hispanics, he is using them like political pawns. Even killing Mexicans with US guns. All he wants is your vote, after that you are no use to him....
What team Obama was trying to do was to advance a storyline in the media that since the ban on 'assault' weapons was lifted, Mexican drug gangs had been loading up on 'assualt' weapons in the U.S. This would have not only appealled to his 'gun control' base that were still hot over losing the ban, it would also make Obama into the defender of innocent Mexicans as opposed to the 'racist' Republicans who don't care how many little brown people their policies kill.... Good for the Hispanic vote.
It would have worked too, if only they had been able to sweep in and be 'shocked...shocked to discover' ( in "Casablanca style) that the drug cartels had all these recently bought in America 'assualt weapons'. The fact that the cartels had bought the guns from Obama (in effect) would not probibly have even come to light and even if it did it could be claimed that the sting came about because the Cartels were actively trying to shop for guns in America and Obama moved to put a stop to that.
But they lost the guns. So they couldn't sweep in and be heros.
Their sneaky plan backfired. Obama had no choice but to cover his tracks. Fail!
The title of the article says it all !
"Obama's own immigration challenge" : Illegal Immigrants being granted amnesty by AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT !
Maybe he can issue an order that would make him a legal US citizen.
everyone still seems confused on here once again. politics can do that. they get on stage and say some really vauge stuff then sit back while everyone tries to disect what they said and they probally laugh as they read responces thinking to themselves, "how did they come up with that, i was just trying to find something to say for some airtime."
When has anyone every did what they said they would do once in office? Who? "Oh they blocked me blah blah blah." is all you hear. im telling you, it does not matter who is in office, it will only get worse untill these carreer politicians are all kicked out of office and replaced by people who really care about america, not the mexicans, hell they have more rights than i have and i was born here. stick that in your pipe AND SMOKE IT.
Feisty, you should think about changing your profile name to :
" Comment collapsed by the community, IL "
I don't know what's funnier- the delusions of those who blog on think progress, or the people on this board who disseminate those ravings.
I just got back from Key West last night- still no Obama bumper stickers in the most liberal city in the Keys. Don't be shocked when the election results show almost no votes for the top of the ticket in November.
I see the cowardly collaspe crowd is out again.
This is for all of you righties who are so afraid of the truth that you need to collaspe posts.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Rgqz8UD5Vb8/TJlEzJvTYdI/AAAAAAAABwU/bpX3G7hDAFY/s1600/devolution09.gif
Just because you disagree or don't like opposite opinions you don't need to collaspe posts.
Lean Forward!
"How will he repeal the health-care law, if the Supreme Court doesn’t already do it for him?"
Much of Obamacare is enforced through 'rules' determined by bureaucrats from the Administration (witness the attempt by Secretary Sebelius to force Catholic institutions to provide birth control). A very simple way to 'change' the law is to change the rules.
It may be a moot point, however, if the Supreme Court overturns part, or all of the law. I suspect the reason that Obama has complained so much about the Supreme Court being 'activist' is because he got wind from his 'sources' at the court that the vote will be against him.
Obama will have a tough time with getting the Hispanic 'enthused' this year because he promised them that he would make 'comprehensive immigration reform' a top priority when he was elected, and he actually had a 'filibuster proof' Senate plus complete control of the House for part of his first 2 years, yet did NOTHING on the issue - basically 'taking the Hispanic vote for granted'.
Let's see if he gets any tough questions, or whether he gets a 'pass'.
I don't know what's more worrisome, that you have to resort to these childish drivel or that eight people seem to think your comment was insightful or funny or witty or whatever the hell merits an upvote nowadays.
I thought we were better than this, America.
(And seeing as we're dealing with simple-minded bigots here, let me just clarify that I'm no illegal immigrant.)
Harley chic-
Wow, I never looked at Fast and Furious that way before. So that is what Bush had in mind for his similar "Wide Receiver" operation on which "Fast and Furious" was based?
Here I thought they were trying to let the guns ALREADY PURCHASED IN BULK BY MIDDLEMEN from Arizona gunshops then smuggled into Mexico be traced to their final destination so they could catch the "big fish" and not just get a few federal paperwork misdemeanor violations.
Who knew Bush was so sneaky? I mean, he did lie about WMDs and lead us into a war that killed THOUSANDS of US soldiers and Iraqi civilians, but who knew he would stoop this low?
For those who are interested, this is the latest from Rasmussen (the most accurate pollster in the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections - less than 1% error);
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Mitt Romney attracting 48% of the vote, while President Obama earns 43%. Six percent (6%) prefer some other candidate, and another three percent (3%) are undecided."
A few weeks before Obama's announcement on his 'temporary immigration order', they were tied or Obama was slightly ahead.
Time to panic?
I hope Obama doesn't start a war with Iran to try to stay in office (Wag the dog).
Roy Wilson..You are a liar. The Administration had a well organized health your bois had 8 years to do something, anything about...Is lying and changing the truth the only thing right wingers know how to do? And the wonder of it is that these liars actually expect the rest of us to fall for it when we followed the actual Senate and House proceedings on healthcare. Does the word, "unaffordable" not have a place in right wing lies? As for the Supreme Court, are you denying that Bush didn't appoint two very ultra conservatives like Roberts and Alito to the court? Are you going to lie and say that Roberts has not sided with Big Business on every single issue thus far that came before the court or do you need a full registry of Roberts' and Alitos' records?
How much more disgusting do these right wingers lies need to get? All in the name of dismantling this presidency and proving just how almighty these demi gods are. BS. Republicans flout the Constitution by refusing to accept majority rule that voted for this president. In his 3rd month, the dogs of the GOP were already to get rid of him. I intend to stand up to every lie that's told by loathesome right wingers who wouldn't know truth if it bit them in their dumb red state asses.
Former GOP presidential candidate, Cain, was a glaring example of the right wing's lack of knowledge. Sixty-two years after the fact, Cain did not know that China had nuclear weapons. Repeated, polls demonstrate that the right wing leadership and the ducks that line up behind these reactionaries, are badly uninformed about domestic and foreign policy issues. The GOP supporters proclaim their loyalty to Republicans. In reality, they do not know what political platforms and issues they are truly voting for.
Obama/Biden 2012
Sean Hannity Exploits Brian Terry’s Parents For Fast And Furious Political Hay
Sean Hannity put on a hammy show of sympathy for the parents of murdered border agent Brian Terry when he trotted them out on the Hannity show last night.
But Hannity’s interest in the couple looked almost completely self-serving as he repeatedly and blatantly prodded the grieving parents into attacking President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.
Hannity: "I understand there was a moment when the Attorney General was confronted on whether or not he had contacted you, both of you, about the loss of your son, guns provided by our government and before you even got the apology, I understand that it was leaked to the press because he was kind of embarrassed in that Congressional hearing because nobody as I understood it up to that point had contacted you. Is that true?"
Not true. Mrs. Terry said Obama had called them at the funeral home.
So Hannity pressed on.
And then Hannity had the nerve to say, "This is not politics. This is basic human decency in my mind."
Right.
Predictably, in a moment of GOP media synergy, Foxnews.com has a post about this interview called, "Murdered border agent Brian Terry’s parents accuse Obama officials of ‘hiding something.’"
So maybe Roger Ailes had a hand in starting that foundation
http://www.newshounds.us/sean_hannity_exploits_brian_terry_s_parents_for_fast_and_furious_political_hay_06222012
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NICE COVER UP THERE YOU DO kkkLANITY @ THE REPUBLICAN HEADQUATERS aka FUX NEWS!!
Roy you still believe in polls this early in the game? In the next few months (with so many polls ,all claiming to be responsible) a lot is going to change. I don't believe in polls, no matter who does them. But being a moderate independent, my mind is not made up about anything.
(Of course, the chief reason why was opposition from GOP senators, especially those who had supported reform in the past.)
Why put this in the Article?? You're supposed to be a journalist, this is a Democrat talking point. This is why First Read is an obvious, in the tank, democrat outlet. Why is it these Republicans were able to block immigration reform, but not the health care bill, even though they ALL opposed the Health care Bill and not one republican voted for it. The point being you didn't need any Republicans. Please mister journalist you will have plenty of liberal hacks posting the talking points you don't need to add the Obama message to your so called Fair media article.
Harley Chic,
Wow, that's some wacky far out bs you've posted. Where do you right wing nut jobs
come up with this stuff?
In my opinion it must be projections of your own wrongheaded desires to pull
political 'dirty tricks'. Since the republicans and Fox News does it, then the
democrats must be doing it too, right?
I also lay blame with the democratic party. You see the republicans are like
spoiled, petulant children that have never been really punished for their wrong
doings.
Ford should have never pardoned Nixon, Reagan should have been impeached for Iran
Contra and the Beirut incident in which so many of our brave men needlessly
lost their lives. Cheney should have been impeached for the outing of a CIA operative,
Bush and his entire administration should have been taken to task for failing
to protect NY after warnings, inciting an unwarranted war, and crashing the
economy. President Obama and Leader Pelosi chose not to pursue the actual torts of
the past administration and this has embolden their current political
opponents.
Harley, I'd suggest that you step back for a moment and adjust the antenna on your foil
cap. There are still men of honor, truth, and justice in America. President
Obama and Attorney General Holder are two of them.
Nah... I'll stick with Feisty Redhead...
*polishing Queen of Collapse Crown*
redheaded slut - an excellent cocktail
HAHAHAHA @ you
AndresTM,
Don't get your panties in a bunch Jr. The reason I gave it a an up vote was because I laughed when I read it. Maybe if you stopped taking things, to include yourself, so seriously you might come up with a funny quip and in turn get some up votes. Not only that but you won't get so many wrinkles on your forehead.
It's illegal for Karl Rove to have contact with Mitt Romney. Yet, the thug, Karl Rove, super-pac “American Crossroads” is allowed to attend a sleep-over camp with Willard in Utah this weekend.
Rove may have gotten off his contempt of Congress due to Bush's Presidential Privilege of his committing treason by outing the Secret Service Agent Valerie Plame, but it is now time to clamp down on his fat ass!!!
There is no excuse for stupid and from what I see, there is also no cure for being a raving liberal, both fall under the heading of, hell, as long as I get my handouts who cares that Obama is taking away our civil right's, is bankrupting the Country and driving the American dollar's value down. The liberal's don't read any of the real fact's because they trust the liberal press who has sold out America and themselves when the chickens come home to roost, who will they blame than, oh ya, Bush did it, and if Obama is re-elected it will happen sooner, rather than later. wake up America before it's to late to fix. Obama's dream, to cause a race riot that will allow him to declare the nation under his "protection" and call off future elections as he takes the helm in turning America into a third world country with him as it's first king.
I'm a mexican and I'm disapointed in my people who can not see that he is now throwing out a few perks to get them to vote for him, look at the facts, when he took office in 2008 he had control of both houses, Democrats ran both chambers, he could have fixed the imagration problem and kept his promise, but he didn't do it, why because he was elected and could care less about you, that is up until he found that he needs your vote if he hope's to win re-election and he doesn't think your smart enough to look back and say no, hell no, he could have fixed the problem when he had total control of both house's and was sitting in the White house, but didn't keep his election promise, please think about that when you cast your vote, I will.
svenolafson-
those are not up votes, they are CENSOR votes, or MSNBC calls them collapse votes. if you want the comment shut then you vote it. its a negative vote (like voting for a democrat) not a positive vote.
Bush is gone, retired, get over it, move on.
Past actions do not excuse the present failures and scandals of this administration.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
Look, all politicians pander to particular groups but Obama has brought it down to new levels and his executive directive may not be constitutional.
It would be one thing if he gave a lame excuse like "we don't have the resources to enforce this" or something like that but he is deliberately picking and choosing who is qualified for his grace & who is not.
This is NOT his decision to make; the law is the law, it is illegal for him to say I'm not going to enforce it, even though I know other Presidents have done it before it does not make it right.
Obama needs to come up with more bribes to insure the Latino vote. After all, he isn't paying for any of this, the taxpayers are.
Obama's immigration problems - Yes, Obama has deported more illegals than all the other presidents. And, yes, that WILL give him problems taking the Latino vote. But, he uses the carrot as well as the stick. Romney's "carrots" are just green cards, for those who would already get them. I think the Latinos will still back Barry, for the most part.
Bev, Why do you left wingers keep pounding the same old thing about Rove outing Valarie Phame when you know it's a damn lie? But then you left wingers don't care about the truth only bashing someone you don't like. BTW, Rove did not out Phame and everyone knows it but you it seems. Further Phame was not a Secret Service Agent, she worked for the CIA, but when outed she did not have covert operative cover as stated under current law. Before typing your nonsense please check your facts, but then it apparent you are not capable of handling the truth. It appears you want to use old unfounded news to deflect from the incompetence of Eric Holder and Obama.
Beverly in Chicago,
Carl Rove didn't out Valerie Plame as being a Secret Service Agent, you did. Until now I was not aware that Valerie Plame was a Secret Service Agent. Nice going traitor! You need to be arrested and tried for treason. Since we're already paying your room and board we might as well enjoy the thought of you sitting in a Federal Max prison.
The media has it COMPLETELY wrong and continues to perpetuate lies. Obama's immigration challenge will concern the fact that he has offended a majority of American citizens and LEGAL immigrants are a result of his rewards-and-special-treatment-for-immigration-lawbreaking scheme. Americans are FED UP with our government refusing to enforce our laws (the MOST GENEROUS IN THE WORLD). It is also nauseating to see who can pander the most to the lawbreakers and their insufferable advocates!
While Obama has reported deported a large number of people, his unilateral grant of special treatment to ILLEGALS will be his downfall (that in addition to his refusal to conduct workplace raids, and his pledge to promote amnesty to ILLEGALS). ILLEGAL immigration imposes catastrophic costs upon American taxpayer services, and MOST AMERICANS ARE AWARE THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!
This is why a recent CNN poll revealed that 75% of Americans support Arizona's ILLEGAL immigration enforcement law that is currently before the Supreme Court. This is also why 30% of the signatories to the referendum that prevented the so-called "Maryland Dream Act" from going into effect were REGISTERED DEMOCRATS (like me) and another large percentage were Independent voters and including African Americans who are among the groups most harmed by the blackmarket labor scheme that the far left has embraced!
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
Anyone who has really been paying attention would know that 0bama said to the faithful "I'm going to be working on gun control behind the scenes". This was "Fast and Furious" The goal was to walk guns to drug lords in Mexico (Illegal by the way) then blame gun shops and gun shows. This failed and should be alarming to anyone with a brain, that our Government would conspire to violate the law to try to change the Constitution via nullifying the Second Amendment.
Immigration? Illegal is Illegal period. Ship them and their anchor babies back. Millions have come to America legally, why should law breakers be gives special favors? That 0bama would try something that he admitted is beyond his authority baffles me, except that this is part of his jobs goal. Say anything that will save mine! Millions of blacks can not find work. 70% of teenagers can't find a summer job, millions are on welfare and food stamps and this fool wants to suck up to illegals hoping that legal immigrants will vote for him because of his pandering?
For all the excuses, 0bama had a Super Majority in the House and Senate for 2 years. For you progressives/liberals who slept through Government class in high school, this means the House and Senate should have been a rubber stamp for "immigration reform" and any other stupid plan 0bama wanted (like his take over of the health care system). BUT, the democrat majority couldn't stomach 0bama's agenda, so he failed. 0bama is not a leader, he is just another member of the "new party" (google it, he is a member). To blame republicans for his inability to get an immigration bill or any other socialist/comminist legislation passed is assinine, idiotic, uninformed, and juvenile.
Mr. Obama's biggest challenge to his unconstitutional "personal" targeted immigration plan for Illegal Alien (Immigrant) children is.....you guessed it.....the Supreme Court of the United States.
And Mr. Obama is "supposed" to be a Constitutional Lawyer ?
Flashback to other Obama "voter base" initiatives:
secret
Bev, Why do you left wingers keep pounding the same old thing about Rove outing Valarie Plame when you know it's a damn lie
Really????
That's all you know. Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
There's more about this slim -- A Bribery Conviction Of Ex-governor Don Siegelman. Rove targeted Don Siegelman because they could not beat him fair and square. Just like he cheats with every Democrat.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18560_162-3859830.html
Filed Racketeering Charges Against Karl Rove’s Election Operations
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/29/why-we-filed-racketeering-charges-against-karl-roves-election-operations/
I do it to prove what a
lyingbrainwashed bunch you righties are.See, Karl Rove is a POS who should have been locked up on several occasions just like the corrupt LIAR Darrel Issa.
I see someone talking about Vallerie Plame....She was outed by a member of the media, not Carl Rove. Bob Novak reported that Wilson's wife was a CIA operative. His original source was Richard Armitage, Bush's deputy secretary of state. Inconveniently for the storyline of "Fair Game" -- and the story the Left pushed for years -- Novak and Armitage both opposed the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq. Another convenient fact overlooked by the media was that Plame was a CIA desk jockey, not a field agent, that was because under Bill Clinton's Administration Plame was outed via a lost diplomatic bag in Cuba.
Learn before you type your drivel.
ldo
Mr. Obama's biggest challenge to his unconstitutional "personal" targeted immigration plan for Illegal Alien (Immigrant) children is.....you guessed it.....the Supreme Court of the United States.
And Mr. Obama is "supposed" to be a Constitutional Lawyer ?
He is a Constitutional Lawyer not supposed. He knows more in a minute than you and FOX NOISE know in a millennium.
Beverly?
Media matters is George Soros's lie sheet, not in any shape or form a reliable source to be quoting. Most of Wikipedia is opinion unless referenced to verifiable sources.
There are two men that scare the hell out me with what they want to and can do to America. I didn't vote against Bush because of Bush. I always felt he was a decent and honest man. I voted Democrat in the last reason for two main reasons. Rove and Cheney. Those two are the most sinister, corrupt individuals in American politics since Richard Nixon, who I voted for, as much as I hate to admit it. If Romney gets elected, my fear is that it will be Bush all over again with the two henchmen at the helm. God help us all!!!
it is unfortunate that deportations "tear apart families" but the blame for that does not lie in the hands of those who are enforcing the laws. the blame for that lies exclusively with those families who chose to come here illegally knowing it was illegal and knowing there would be consequences. ANY criminal you put in jail "tears apart families" so does that mean we start going easy on thieves, murderers, and rapists? the law is the law, if it applies to one person it applies to EVERYONE. anything less is RACISM, pure and simple
good ol bev. in the windy city. Windy fits so well. Everyone (except you I guess) knows who outted val. It wasnt a big deal in the first place sinse she wasnt a secret op. undercover. SECOND if you want to say something about the KKK why dont you bring the dead sen. Byrd of w. virginia into the conversation. YOUR party had a grand pooooba in it and NEVER heard anything about it. YOUR party still LOVES the sex offender / rapist prez. that should have been in prison before he EVER left arkansas. Do I realllly need to go on lefty??
"Why Obama is still not home free on immigration"
But MSNBC, Obama is "home free" - free to go home because Americans are disgusted by his treason.
Basically any and everything this Liar in Chief says is questionable. Please see the below as he claims his father served in WWII - don't miss the clip.
It must be pretty easy to "please most Latinos" if all it takes is empty promises.
Let us not forget that the KKK was a faction started by radical Democrats...It was aimed at assassinating Republicans in office. At the time Black America was Republican, but they also killed White Republicans as well.
ChevsMark
Beverly?
Media matters is George Soros's lie sheet, not in any shape or form a reliable source to be quoting. Most of Wikipedia is opinion unless referenced to verifiable sources
You are correct about wiki; but you can scroll down to the bottom and find where Wikipedia got its sources as you stated. Or you can always google other sources if you don't trust wiki's sources.
Calling Media Matters Soros' lie sheet Is laughable. Fox Noise lies constantly like every minute and that is a proven fact.
Never mind, save yourself the agony. You righties do not posses the IQ to know what is real.
Bev-
This "fact" must be in print somewhere...please grace us with your source...or this is just another emotional lie that you spout to garnish support for your political bias.
bev -- 2.27; Are these your opinions or are you stating them as facts? If opinions, fine. You have every right to them.
If facts then can we count on the Attorney General to arrest Rove this weekend? Certainly if it is a fact then that will happen. I will look forward to the story and your comments on Monday.
Plame was not outed by Rove. No charges were filed.
A top adviser to President Bush, Karl Rove testified four times before the grand jury charged with investigating the Plame affair. Rove's lawyer revealed that Fitzgerald does not expect to seek charges against his client in connection with the CIA leak case. From the Washington Post.
Bev -- You are a prolific poster at this site. It has been 10 minutes since your post at 2.54.
Please list the 10 lies that Fox News has just stated.
There must be a real treasure trove of these lies from the past. Where do you find them? I would like to see them. I don't watch Fox often enough I guess but it appears as though you do to be able to make such a claim.
Beverely,
If you bothered to listen, the Republicans have said they did not believe nor do they believe that either Holder or President Obama were involved, but just want the documents to determine who was and how to make sure this does not happen again.
House Republicans Cite Holder for Contempt, Seek to Link Obama to ‘Fast and Furious’
Republicans sought to spin Obama’s decision to intercede as a sign of either complicity or a cover-up. “The White House decision to invoke executive privilege implies that White House officials were either involved in the ‘Fast and Furious’ operation or the cover-up that followed. The Administration has always insisted that wasn’t the case. Were they lying, or are they now bending the law to hide the truth?” said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner.
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/06/20/house-republicans-cite-holder-for-contempt-seek-to-link-obama-to-fast-and-furious/#ixzz1yYS5MWMH
Issa said he was surprised by Obama's action and questioned whether the White House's role in Fast and Furious "has been greater than previously acknowledged."
Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told CNN he previously traced the program only up to the level of an assistant attorney general.
"Now it raises the question of what does the president know and when did he know it by the claim of executive privilege," said Grassley, who participated in Tuesday's meeting.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/politics/holder-contempt/index.html
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That ought to be as plain as the nose on your face. Holder wants to link both President Obama and AG Holder to it.
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The GOP always saw Holder as the weak link in the Obama administration; the one appointee who had potentially the most baggage, and the one most easily to taint and tarnish, with the aim that some of the taint would rub off on Obama. From the start, Obama knew that Holder could be a likely target of GOP attacks and tried to defuse them. He quietly asked key Senate Republicans whether they would try and delay or block Holder's appointment. At the time there was no likelihood that the GOP could win a fight over Holder's appointment. They didn't have the votes. But that didn't stop GOP congressional leaders from squawking about Holder during his confirmation hearing.
Holder's House Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa led the GOP charge. The issue is Holder's alleged cover-up and defiance of the committee's demand to know what Holder DID or DIDN'T DO about the botched ATF's Mexican gun sting operation "fast and furious."
BACKHOUSE...Please put the Koolaide down and do some research on your own instead of parroting the liberal spin masters...
Operation Wide Receiver was run out of one city, Tucson, AZ, between 2006 and 2007. About 300-500 guns were sold as opposed to Operation Fast and Furious (2009 - 2011), where over 2000 weapons were illegally placed into the hands of Mexico's Drug Cartels WITHOUT the Mexican Government’s knowledge. Operation Wide Receiver was a controlled delivery of guns in cooperation WITH the Mexican Law Enforcement Agency and the ATF put actual tracking devices in the guns. Unfortunately, since Mexican law enforcement failed to interdict all the weapons, the batteries on some of the tracking devices later died resulting in the in-ability to track the weapons. The program was shut down in 2007. The claim by the WH's inept spinsman Jay Carney and AG Holder that Holder "Ended" Operation Wide Receiver is an outright lie!
During the Congressional Hearings in 2011 on Fast & Furious, Sen. Cornyn pointed out the major distinction between Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious, particularly that Line Backer was a coordinated effort between American/Mexican authorities and info was shared between the two county's Law Enforcement agents - Fast & Furious was unilateral! During that proceeding AG Eric Holder conceded “I’m not trying to equate the two."
Althought Dem. Congressional Reps & Senators have repeatedly blamed Pres. Bush for initiating the "gun walking" programs, there is no evidence that either Pres. George W. Bush, nor, AG Michael MuKasey, knew about Operation Wide Receiver until after the program was halted. That was confirmed by this letter:
Republicans on the Congressional Oversite Committee have repeatedly, and emphatically, asked for any & all info that shows Bush or Mukasey had ANY prior knowledge of ANY "Gun Walking" operation to PLEASE bring that info forward to the Committee. Nothing has been brought forward despite Dems accusations!
Over 2000 weapons were allowed to walk under Fast & Furious. The questions are actually pretty simple: Who authorized it and when, who knew about it and when, who authorized the wire taps and when and is criminal prosecution warranted?
According to the Mexican AG, over 200 Mexican citizens, 1 Mexican LE Agent and 1 American Border Patrol Agent have been murdered with these weapons. Eighteen months later we still don't have all the answers. WHY?
She, like the other lefties just spew garbage knowing they are all lies. Hopeing maybe they can get someone to believe their BS. You here it every day on the "news". Spin and lie, thats what the left does. The one thing they are discounting is now days their "facts" are verifiable if people will just look.
The link to the letter from Grassley to Holder...
www(dot)grassley.senate.gov/about/upload/-1-Wide-Receiver-letters.pdf
Mark L-464288
Bev-
This "fact" must be in print somewhere...please grace us with your source...or this is just another emotional lie that you spout to garnish support for your political bias
@ billybob-6210632
Bev -- You are a prolific poster at this site. It has been 10 minutes since your post at 2.54.
Please list the 10 lies that Fox News has just stated.
Oaaaaakay I' just copy some of the laughable ones. Here's your treasure trove:
The 45 Worst Fox News Moments Of 2011
Another year, another 12 months of “fair and balanced” reporting from Fox News. Here is the best of the worst of Fox News in 2011.
You know things are bad when Fox Nois pictures disprove their headline
Enjoy!
12. Sesame Street is "a danger to our country's moral foundation"
32. Fox News readers on Steve Jobs' death
42. Pepper spray is essentially "a food product"
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-worst-fox-news-moments-of-2011
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How 'bout those maps and that refigerator?
Political candidates pissing on the graves of dead GIs just to impress a third world people that have always been the enemy of the United States.
Welcome to LA RAZA's reich!
Bev -- 2.57; Can you explain your conclusion? Do you really believe the AG is out to get the President? and Himself? Imagine that -- is this some remorse or guilt setting in on him?
That ought to be as plain as the nose on your face. Holder wants to link both President Obama and AG Holder to it.
truetexan
She, like the other lefties just spew garbage knowing they are all lies. Hopeing maybe they can get someone to believe their BS
It would be nice if you stopped believing FOX LIES. I bet you'd believe in pixie dust, if the right said so.
Grow up.
I just hope the Latino community also understands that it is about winning or losing for these people in washington...nothing they say matters to us because they are empty promises with an ugly excuse to follow. I just dont want to live the rest of my life hearing these lies anymore...I hope these new Latino voters also know that what is promised is lies and nothing more, just to buy a vote...nobody will stop the job loss, no one will reform healthcare, no one will help the economy....all they want is to be able to tell their opponents "ha ha I won, not you" ....that is all these elections are about...nothing more...its a sport and when its over its over and we are left to clean the bleachers and fields torn apart by our very own loving, trusting, all knowing politicians.
*washington does not deserve a capital letter
To No Freebees please: Did you even read the article? He tried to pass legislation when he controlled both houses but could not get enough GOP members to support him. “(Of course, the chief reason why was opposition from GOP senators, especially those who had supported reform in the past.)” I realize that MSNBC is almost as bias as FOX news but this statement is not a lie.
As for what is driving the value of the dollar down, please educate yourself before posting on the topic. Here is a post about the various factors affecting the value of the dollar.
Another smaller round of Operation Twist could have some effects but as of right now as well as the huge amounts of stimulus money printed by the FED to help keep the recession from becoming a depression. The problems with the euro and Chinas banking system make the dollar the worlds preferred currency simply by being better than its competitors. Being the world’s preferred currency for trade gives the US a huge advantage as listed at the end.
Three things I thought I would never see in my lifetime: A black president. Disagreeing with the separation of church and state not being political suicide (thanks GOP primary and the south). And a SERIOUS presidential candidate that belongs to a religious organization viewed by the majority of Americans as a cult. (Romney’s LDS Church, church, ha, more like tax exempt political action group)
ewent "Roy Wilson..You are a liar."
Calm down and take a sedative. Having an opinion that does not agree with you doesn't make someone a 'liar'.
Perhaps you can explain why Obama never even tried to present a 'comprehensive immigration bill' when he had full control of Congress for two years. His 'outreach' to Hispanics just a few months before the election is obviously a cynical election ploy, but I have to wonder if having young Hispanics come forward and self-identify themselves as illegal immigrants and telling the authorities their personal information (name, address, phone number, place of birth, etc.) is putting them at risk since Obama's 'Executive Order' could be rescinded by a new President in a few months.
As for Supreme Court appointments, Bush may have appointed two relatively conservative justices (Roberts and Alito), but Obama appointed two liberal justices (Sotomayor and Kagan), so trying to 'blame Bush' because you don't like their decisions doesn't fly.
Your 'hero worship' of Obama is misplaced - he's just an incompetent liberal hack, and the voters are finally realizing the truth about him.
Good ol bev...what a kook! The one thing I can do is look myself in the mirror and know I dont drink either parties koolaid. I didnt like everything bush did, if I was in town when the rapist was running (you know, bill c.) I would have voted for him because I was listening to him & not paying attention to what he was doing or had done. NOW I wouldnt vote a democRAT for dog catcher. You libs will destroy this country if not kept in check!! YES I HATE the liberal policies, PERIOD!!!!!
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO GROW UP!! I am not yelling, just getting my point across. If thats possible to do with an idiot!
It's interesting that the last significant 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' was signed by a Republican President (Reagan), working with a Democratic Congress.
Perhaps a Romney Presidency can accomplish for Hispanics something that Obama will never be able to do.
One last point - Hispanics are much more aligned with Republicans on the vast majority of social matters (abortion, family values, religious principles, personal responsibility, etc.). When they realize that Democrats are merely 'using them' by making empty promises (much like they have done with the Black vote), it may not bode well for the Democratic Party.
fission -- but religious bigotry is alive and well! Good for you.
Do these same people that believe that the LDS is a cult feel the same way about Democrat Senate Majority Leader? Harry Reid is in line for becoming President if something drastic were to happen to the President, Vice-President and Speaker of the house? A lot closer to being President than Governor Romney is right now.
Can you present your source regarding the majority of Americans viewing the LDS as a cult?
I found an article from AFP on Yahoo that said this:
But despite persistent skepticism about the faith -- a Bloomberg News poll from March shows more than one in three Americans hold an unfavorable view of the Mormon church -- associate professor Brandon Rottinghaus of the University of Houston said Wednesday he thinks Americans are ready for a Mormon president.
Beverly hon....Typing in bold does not help your lies become truths. In fact, it makes them more obvious.
Just sayin'
Bev...
You were asked to produce the "lies" that Faux News reports. You linked a hack site that listed The 45 Worst Fox News Moments Of 2011.
Some of those were off-beat news stories, but, were actually from the AP and run on other news sites, also.
BTW... #42 - Pepper Spray is actually made from Capsaicin, derived from Chilli Peppers. An emulcifier is used to suspend the Capsaicin in water and pressurized into an aerosol - Pepper Spray! So...was #42 a "lie"? Last I heard, Chilli Peppers were a food.
From an observer's view point: this thread, as well as others on first read, appear to have republicans attacking democrats with facts, while the democrats are in full defense mode. Typically the source of blame from democrats is the news outlet known as Fox News that is only reporting lies while all other sources of the news only document truth. Let me disagree, not as a Fox News viewer (not in budget to have paid TV and living in area that does not have reception), but as one that only gets news from stories posted on MSN (and included links such as this):
Even though bending the truth or misleading readers (see Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky and what is sex and what is not), it is truly a form or lieing most news outlets ignore this fact. Misrepresentation of the truth is a flat out lie. Both sides of the media conveniently ignore this when pandering for readers and create hostile environments purposely. We can blame politicians and supporters all we want, but neither side is working with a full set of facts, only half-truths. It is time to value other people and their opinions, and more importantly accept that I (you) are not the one with the all the answers. Stop being a people of blame and excuses, but tell your countrymen and peers how you will do it.
Collective societies are growing because they have a single goal for all people. We need to (not be a collective society) learn from our mistakes, accept them, and work towards a common goal together. Until we are able to look past what is going to be best for "me" and look at what is best for this community, state, and country we will never get better.
It is your responsibility (read that as ownership) to work together.
bev -- 2.61; Thanks for the laughs. A quick perusal did not reveal what I would call a lie but I will look more closely later. I do observe that most of what is listed come from the entertainers on the network. Mostly opinion so that cannot be construed as a lie; you may certainly disagree with them but not a lie.
I have seen buzzfeed a couple of times but not looked there for anything. Seeing that it was started by a former huffpuff employee does not give it much credibility in my opinion.
I assume the person who wrote this article doesn't understand the Government of the United States.
The President is not responsible for Immigration Policy that is the responsibility of the House and Senate. If the Republican House had done their job and passed an immigration bill we would not be in this situation.This House problem goes back to Newt Ginrich.
Bev- This is the best you could come up with?
Well, that's better than I thought you could do...I guess...
You have proved us all wrong Bev! Great work you are a true asset to team Obama!!! Ooops, I mean Romney!!!
Svenolafson,
I'm sorry, but I don't do the whole "just say it was a joke and accuse whoever is offended of being a sissy and/or taking things too seriously" thing. You're going to have to try a lot better than that, buddy.
The only thing I could possibly take away from your retort is that your sense of humor is embarrassingly infantile. "Oh, he called Obama an illegal immigrant!! ROFLMAO!" "your mom's a fat *****!! LULZ!!" Don't embarrass yourself, man.
People who know my posts, know I am anti-amnesty. At the same time, I've supported worker permits for seasonal agricultural work because this is necessary and used to work very well when it was administered properly. I've even defended self-deportation, which I realize began with satire, but if illegals could not get work due to enforcement of laws, many would leave on their own, and certainly the attraction for others to come would be removed.
With that said, this Homeland Security measure enacted by the president is strict. It applies only to those under the age of 30 who came to the US under the ages of 16, and who have gone through our public school system. Still, they must go to college, serve in the military, and wait a long time before they could expect to be given citizenship. With such restrictions and hoops to jump through, this is not likely to cause a flood across the border.
The president in particular has done a good job of deporting criminals and cracking down on those who commit ID fraud, along with doubling patrols on the border. We still need something like eVerify mandated for employers, but as always a solution must be realistic and fair.
The healthcare bill passed the Senate by way of a parliamentary procedure known as "reconciliation." It essentially overrides a filibuster, enabling a simple majority to pass bills. Now, for those on the right and on the left who ask why Obama couldn't pass everything else with reconciliation, you must know that it is a highly controversial procedure (as controversial as the filibuster). It is often referred to as the "nuclear option." It is a very rare move, as filibusters used to be rare themselves. That is why Obamacare got passed. And btw, the GOP would be able to blast Obama for using the reconciliation, accusing him of "bypassing" Congress to ram his agenda through.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
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Subliminal, O'bama's father was born in Kenya during WWII. I know the military Kenya had was involved because they were a colony of Great Britain at the time he was born. Kenya was bombed by the Axis while Barack senior was a boy. Do the book say Barack senior enlisted, or was taken to a shelter during the bombing? Did you read the book or are you just quoting what you heard?
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You birthers are as dumb as they come. You say he is an illegal? Even if you dont believe he was born in Hawaii, he has an American mother and that makes him american, so I guess he couldnt be illegal if he has an american mother. Now do you get it? Or are the rocks too heavy on the brain. By your thinking John Mccain would be an illegal too since he wasnt born in the US.
By that logic Mitt Romney is also illegal DebDem, his father was a Mexican immigrant. I don't hear birthers up in arms about that.
The Dream Act did come up for a vote in Obama's second year the GOP filibustered it to defeat. Obama didn't have filibuster-proof majorities for two years thanks to illnesses and deaths and Joe Lieberman. It's a lie, yeah a lie, to say he did.
So the whole Romney attack is a load of garbage, and should be reported as such.
so your point is that without super majorities the President's policies cannot be passed? somewhat of a hit on the man that cannot do the job he was elected to do.
many Presidents have been in similar situations where filibuster or veto proof majorities did not exist and still accomplished things legislatively. and before you bring out the obstructionist argument it takes both the legislative and executive branch to work together. have the republicans stopped some of the President's ideas, most certainly and correctly so; have they worked together on some ideas, most certainly and correctly so; is there blame enough for both sides, most certainly and correctly so.
The President has tried to work with the Republicans many times on major issues, and every time they have spit on him. Bottom line the Republican goal from the beginning was to see Obama fail and be a one term President.
So, to do what’s right for the Nation, the President has had to hit hard this group of obstructionist, who are hurting the Nation, and show them and the country that he means business, while proving that he is the great leader we the people elected.
"billybob"-
No other president had to deal with an opposition party that in advance of his inauguration had already conspired to obstruct everything he tried to do.
The same opposition party whose "number one priority" was to try and make him a one-term president.
The same opposition party whose mouthpiece said shortly after the election that he hoped President Obama would be a failed president.
The same opposition that now calls him "divisive'.......
So why not invoke his Executive Power at that time, seems odd that he was slipping in the numbers and decides to use it now, doesn't it?
Nope. But I wish he would have put the kibosh to this and Secret Agent Issa long ago.
devie - ?? Must be brainwashed, try yoga...
Not only will Obama go down in history as one of the worse President's in history, the most disrepectful of the Consitution, but this administration will go down as the most ineffective in history. Being a politician and the head of one of the party means that you learn how to negotiate with the other side of the aisle and don't establish a bridgehead never to be crossed in either direction. The elections have consequences comment set the tone for failure, and true to its nature, failure has been achieved - over and over and over. Now we hear that his immigration policy has at its foundation the plan that Rubio has shared with several democrats - before Obama commanded that no democrat is to work with the Senator from Florida. Makes you wonder, doesn't it.
For those mistakenly calling the Obama policy on immigration an Executive Order, it is not. Even the Obama administration has referred to it as an Executive Action. Which is nothing more then publically announcing that the Obama administration is going to ignore the law, and come up with something new to call it.
Funny how Obama was able to ram the stimulus through Congress, and ram the healthcare bill through Congress with the Democrats in control of both Houses. But at that same time Obama was unable to ram through a permanent fix for immigration reform, I guess it really wasn't all that important to him. Probably because Obama was busy deporting 1.5 million illegals, more then any modern president. Now we have Obama pandering for votes, I would bet you will see some ads pointing out his hypocrisy.
But nothing about the first lady of loon from the left, Nancy Pelosi claiming that Republicans are going after Holder because of voter suppression. Thousands of weapons were illegally sold to drug cartels, both US and Mexican citizens have died as a result, including a border patrol agent, and it was an operation so well run they never even tracked the weapons. The US government simply flooded Mexico with weapons and the Obama administration admittedly lied about the operation in a letter to Congress. Yeah this is all about voter suppression. It took a complete idiot to think that was the best response, but then again Nancy Pelosi thinks the American people are idiots, remember we needed to pass the healthcare bill so everyone could find out what was in it.
Now we also learn that the former firm of Senior White House adviser David Axelrod had been hired to run ads in favor of passing ObamaCare. The former firm of Axelrod was still paying him while he worked in the White House, and they employ his son. Emails suggest the White House was intimately involved both in creating this lobby and hiring Axelrod's firm, which is a big ethical no-no. The news just keeps getting better and better for Obama. I don't think the Good Ship Obama could sink any faster if they were trying to do so.
Bush and Obama are two of the worst presidents in history.
TJM writes that Obama the most disrespectful of the constitution........Really? So when all republicans take the oath to their office honoring the constitution, then 95% of them ignore the constitution and take the Norquist pledge putting king Norquist above our nation.....That is not the most disrespectful action against the constitution? How Dare your SIR!....HHHAAARRRMMMPPPPHHHH! Being a traitor to the constitution I believe is the most disrespecful action by pledgetakers to Norquist. Or maybe the other Republican secret pledge taken.....
Corruption with repubs against President Obama started the day after his taking office. 14-15 republicans secretly met to pledge to vote against every bill that would help the economy recover. They pledged this saying they wanted him to be a one term president. They pledged to take the economy down just to destroy the presidents plans for recovery. Bin Laden wrote down the same plan and executed 911 to take the economy down to destroy the nation. These repubs, Ryan, cantor, DeMint, and Ginggrich pledged to act like the Taliban act like the insurgents do,(their own actual words) to prevent President Obama from a second term. Acting like the supreme terrorist of all time Bin Laden. Traitors. Deliberately sabotaging the recovery. Ref Richard draper new book.
Alan Simpson had this to say about his own party on 5/27/2012 Huff Post.
Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) lashed out at members of his party on Sunday, slamming them for their unwillingness to compromise on proposed tax increases.
In his characteristically colorful style, Simpson told CNN's Fareed Zakaria that Republicans' rigid opposition to new tax revenues has hampered productivity and diminished the chances of reaching an agreement with Democrats on debt reduction.
"You can’t cut spending your way out of this hole," Simpson, who was appointed as co-chair of President Obama's Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform in 2010, said. "You can’t grow your way out of this hole, and you can’t tax your way out of this hole. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, we tell these people. This is madness."
Simpson continued: "If you want to be a purist, go somewhere on a mountaintop and praise the east or something. But if you want to be in politics, you learn to compromise. And you learn to compromise on the issue without compromising yourself. Show me a guy who won’t compromise and I’ll show you a guy with rock for brains."
Carter and obama were.
tns -- i marvel at how the left continually brings up the let's make him fail argument. Do you think that the opposition party for any President has not done the same thing? not in public to be sure but in those smoke-filled rooms (like the one where obamacare was crafted in secret)? it is a bit naive of anyone to believe that Senator Reid and Nancy Pelosi spent anytime at all discussion how they could help President Bush succeed.
Senator Obama was rated as the most liberal Senator during his short tenure as a junior Senator and cannot figure out how to lead a country that is generally center-right.
Most of the Nobel Prize winners for political literary works from the US who have documented both Bush Adminstrations would tell the Bush Dynasty did more to destroy this country than any presidents. Reagan, Bush '41 and Bush '43 all had recessions in their 8 years. Reagan took credit for many things Carter did. Now the same Obama bashers can't admit they also were the one bashing Clinton. That's a very telling commentary on just how misguided right wingers really are.
??? Let me guess you're one of those guys who votes for the person because he's a Republican. Sorry, Being a liberal I stopped considering the GOP when St. Reagan started bad mouthing us.
kendysdad
I had wondered about that. Here are the facts:
July 7, 2009: Senator Al Franken was sworn in giving the Democrats a super-majority (sort of, since it included the back-stabbing Joe Lieberman and conservatives Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln).
August 25, 2009: Senator Ted Kennedy died, leaving the Democrats short of the necessary 60 votes to break a filibuster.
February 4, 2010: Senator Scott Brown sworn in, giving the Republicans the power to filibuster from that time up to the present -- a power that they perpetually abused.
Contrary to Mitt Romney's claim that the Democrats had "huge" majorities for two years and could have passed anything they wanted, the Democrats had a 60-vote majority in the Senate for less than two months. So it looks like Mitt Romney is once again being totally dishonest. He's counting on the low-information voters' ignorance of how the filibuster and the Republicans' abuse of it has made it impossible to get any major legislation passed. And the media continues to let him get away with it.
I see the cowardly collaspe crowd is out again.
This is for all of you righties who are so afraid of the truth that you need to collaspe posts.
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Just because you disagree or don't like opposite opinions you don't need to collaspe posts.
Lean Forward!
Mitt RoMONEY is a seasoned vulture venture capitalist. What would make anyone think a deeply embedded venture capitalist who made billions and owns multiple homes and lavishes himself from dismantling small companies that made huge profits from their sales for him has any real instinct for truth? The only reason the Republicans and King Norquist are allowing Romney to be out in first place is because he's clearly sidled up to their back room agenda of government takeover to put it into the hands of the same Wall Street corporate thieves who begged bailouts 2 years in a row and who feed off our tax dollars. Must be pretty easy to run a corporation and never have to worry about it failing...there's always another load of tax cuts and subsidies individual Middle Class taxpayers will pay for like the cash cows they expect us to be. All with the help of Republicans who value Big Business more than the people who elected them.
@TJM07, you are a work of art, blind as a bat, and I hope are steril, To think that some one like you could procreate appalls me.
@Harley chic, the same for you.
Tell me something, how much they paying you to Heckle on the internet? You must have 3-4 statements that you cut and paste every day. Word for every loving stinking word. I figure you are part of Romneys minions or you can't get your lips off of his butt long to answer. Yeh, I thought so, drag n drop and run.
ewent,
Obama also got a Nobel Prize when he hadn't done anything yet, so I don't think that adds much to your argument about Nobel-winning authors.
Hey Bev, try on some big boy or girl pants for a change. As if those on the right are solely responsible for collapsing posts. It was a stupid policy from a leftist blog site to suppress anything but a liberal point of view. But now that it has backfired on the lefties, they don't like it, and right on cue someone from the left blames the other side. There are plenty of collapsed posts from both sides of any opinion, but it seems those lefties find it easier to just blame someone else then look in a mirror.
Yeah, okay. Have you ever heard of James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Millard Fillmore, Ulysses S. Grant or George W. Bush? Come on!
Backhouse stated: "President Bush started this gun-running fiasco in 2006. Hundreds of the most powerful weapons were sold to suspects over the border and never seen again. Now the fallout and attempt to re-direct the blame finger at the Obama Administration."
Ok backhouse, let's look at it in this light. Yes, Bush doing it was wrong, and he should be held liable for it, and in the same light, so should Obama. As the old saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. If this is taken far enough, both Presidents will be held responsible for this mess.
Tea anyone?
Obama/Biden 2012, the only choice.
devine
none of the Presidents you listed were stellar. However, all of them were better than Obama and Carter. And yes I am willing to admit George W was not stellar. I wonder what would have happened if Sept 11 didn't occur during his watch. Guess we will never know. We will also never know how great a President Obama could have been If he didn't squander his first two years on pet social engineering projects and focused on the economy. BO must go 2012
I really don't give one good flying crap for either party, I never have, and never will, and it gets sickening to see headlines like this, and what do you read in the forums because of it? Both sides pointing fingers at the other side. IMO, both sides are like two peas in a pod, or like two sides of the same coin. If one party gets away with murder, the other side feels that they should be able to just because the other party did. And the party rhetoric (BS) gets so deep, a person could drown in it. I hope both parties get burnt on this, and maybe, just maybe, people will grow up and understand, we're all in this rickety boat together, and while the everyday people are trying to bail the water out of the bottom of it, both parties are sneaking around drilling more holes into it, and at the same time blaming the other side for it. Just keep knifing each other in the back like good little party followers are taught, while the country goes to hell on a roller coaster, and when it hits bottom and you want to blame someone for it, look in a mirror, that is where you can start pointing a finger.
@bev - maybe if some people didn't take up so much space when they post, as if everything they have to say matters soooo much, it wouldn't get collapsed.
DREAM ACT......HAHAHAHAHAHA
What a piece of trash legislation.....that's why it got shot down!
Even my wife who was born & raised in Mexico thought it was one of the biggest pieces of trash legislation to ever come out of Washington!!
The Dream Act did NOTHING to support the millions of illegals who have been here for DECADES working and earning a living illegally!!!
TNSEVOL, that's a bunch of bull. In the very first meeting Obama set the standard when he said " I WON " after a Republican offered an Idea!! So much for bringing the two parties together. It only got worse from there he started the racial garbage try to pit one group against each other and he still doing it.
Laker Steve, what does your wife think about letting illegals go to the head of the line without doing the hard work it took to become a US Citizen. :) It seems like a slap in the face to all the immigrants that did it the right way.
wow... ewent and bev sure are on a tear today. Talk about the left wanting to return to the past! Wasn't it the lefts argument that it was the right wanting to return to the past?
BTW ewent & bev, Obama is POTUS today and has been since jan 2009. Don't be showing your stupidity by trying to blame today on past republican POTUS's. Obama said he could fix things, to bad all he wanted to do was things "his way or the highway". Both reagan and clinton found a way to work with a contentious congress. All obama has accomplished is showing us all what happens when a POTUS promotes divisiveness over unity.
Janie ackerly, good point and let's not forget how interested obama was in having a sitdown with the house and senate minority leaders at the WH to get their input on the economy, among other things.
It was 2010 before that happened. Guess he didn't know what bipartisanship meant.
Go look up "Attrition through Enforcement".
EVERY state that uses it has seen a huge decline of illegal aliens. Often before the policy of "Attrition through Enforcement" go into place. They pack up and leave on their own. Self-deport. Imagine if EVERY state did this? There would be no illegal aliens.
How 'Attrition Through Enforcement' Works
Basically the Romney Plan. It's great. It works every time
@Noryc-2802231 But it doesn't detract from the argument either - it does neither because it's irrelevant to the point. A bit like your "rebuttal"
Obama Asks People Getting Married To Forgo Gifts...
Donate To His Campaign Instead...
Hey, Latinos, it's difficult to give Obama all your money when the Obama-economy prevents you from getting a good paying job, isn't it..........
tns -- 3.3; you said: No other president had to deal with an opposition party that in advance of his inauguration had already conspired to obstruct everything he tried to do.
i presume you are stating your opinion rather than a fact. If you are stating this as a fact please present your source.
Are you @!$%#ing kidding me???? Billybob, name me one president where the opposition party colluded on the day of inauguration to SABOTAGE him; not offer ideas that contrasted with him; not tried to negotiate with him to get part o their way, but to sabotage him and take the whole country down. You Republican bastards screwed this country up, and when we corner you you pass the blame to everyone else!! You sabotaged this nation's recovery just to further your own political gains. Your party can kiss my ass and rot in hell. You Republicans are traitors to this nation and a waste of flesh. You do not deserve to be apart of this great land.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
GIVE'EM HELL, BARRY 2012
DEATH TO THE GOP 2012
Billy Bob,
tns -- i marvel at how the left continually brings up the let's make him fail argument. Do you think that the opposition party for any President has not done the same thing? not in public to be sure but in those smoke-filled rooms (like the one where obamacare was crafted in secret)? it is a bit naive of anyone to believe that Senator Reid and Nancy Pelosi spent anytime at all discussion how they could help President Bush succeed.
Senator Obama was rated as the most liberal Senator during his short tenure as a junior Senator and cannot figure out how to lead a country that is generally center-right.
Maybe the left harps, as you put it, because there is footage of two prominent Republicans calling on all Republicans to make O'bama fail.
"I want O'bama to fail," Rush Limbaugh addressing a Republican crowd in a televised speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sTJvXP1LZI
Sen. McConnell: Making Obama A One-Term President Is My Single Most Important Political Goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc
Want more videos BillyBob?
wade -- sure, send them along. very entertaining way to convince yourself that Mr. Obama is just a victim. The fact that he is incompetent seems irrelevant to you.
Incompetent Billy Bob? passage of the affordable care act despite stiff GOP opposition, masterminding the seal raid that killed Bin Laden, military aid to Libya that doesn't involve the death or injury to one U.S. soldier. You will probably claim that O'bama had nothing to do with the death of Bin Laden. The SEAL team had to have his written orders to act, and he was involved in coordinating intelligence that led to finding Bin Laden's residence. I am not saying O'bama did all the work it was a team effort. Considering the intransigence of the GOP in power that O'bama did the things he has shows how competent he is.
You strike me as a bully in the same vein as Romney, rather than admit you were wrong about the plan to sabotage O'bama's chances at reelection, you side step it entirely. I have zero respect for a man who refuses to admit when he is wrong. I have zero respect for you, liar, bully.
Wade, You are so full of crap it must be coming out of your ears. He never, regardless of what he might have bragged about, masterminded the raid on OBL. That was strictly done by the military and the CIA. All Obama did was o.k. the raid, nothing more than what any other President would have done. Actually the Seal Team did not have to have his written orders no more than for any other raid or drone strike inside Pakistan. Where Obama screwed up on the OBL raid was when he took his victory laps and started making details public, instead of keeping it covert. His failure to protect a source of information in Pakistan caused a valuable asset (The Pakistani Dr) to be jailed, tried and sentenced to 33 yrs in prison. That fact that he never protected our sources will prevent others from working with our intelligence agencies for fear that they will be outed and thrown under the bus. What happened after the raid shows Obama's lack of leadership and how incompetent he is.
Obama's failure as President is due to his won lack of leadership, ego, and thinking he is the smartest man in the room.
sfcret, what ever you said I have you on ignore. I am not dumb enough to think you were supporting my post. In the off chance you were ty, if not you can put your opinion where the sun don't shine.
Bull@!$%#. Those presidents didn't have to deal with filibusters on a daily basis, did they??? You are simply saying what many in the media keep telling you: that it's equally shared. Well, not exactly. See, in my opinion, the mainstream media is scared, scared of being called partisan by Republican-backed news organizations and think tanks. So they try to pass the blame on everyone, trying to stay moderate and "unbiased." Real moderates, real unbiased news reporters would call out the Republicans for their obstructionist ways. But all we have are a bunch of spineless weasels, with a few exceptions.
Now, you're probably saying that I'm nothing more than a left-wing partisan hack. That is somewhat true. But there is more to me than meets the eye. On to the obstructionist part. You see, after the 2008 election, the Republican Party had no interest in compromising with the Democrats. Reasons for this attitude vary; I personally think it comes from a combination of increasing extremism on the right and a sort of sore feelings after their huge loss in 2008, which is shown whenever Senator John McCain goes on a hysterical rant against the President. Normally this wouldn't hinder a party that has just won both houses of Congress and the White House, but unfortunately (and ironically) the American people had just elected to lead the nation a man who, in his very nature, believed in bipartisanship. He thought that everyone, after the massive recession, would work together, to work as a team, to help get the American people out of this misery. He was wrong. We were wrong.
On the night of Obama's inauguration, a group of about 15 Republican officials, among them future presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and Senate leader Mitch McConnell. Speaker John Boehner was invited, but did not come. Why these men came, or what motivated them, will remain a mystery. What we do know, is that they arrived at that restaurant, and over the course of a few hours plotted the greatest trick on a nation in the damn book. They plotted to obstruct the President, at every turn, but subtly, as to keep the public from finding out about them. First two years would be filibustering, a simple matter requiring only 40 people, and they had more than that. After that, they would campaign in 2010 about how Obama had failed, how he had run up big deficits, presided over an era of "big government" and "creeping socialism," and that he would run the country into the ground. They succeeded. But the American people did not elect them to obstruct, as many conservative commentators say here, but as deliverers of salvation. They did not oppose Obama; they merely thought that the Democrats needed a shot of Republican rivals to get the economy going. Unfortunately, the American people just shot themselves in the leg. They thought that the GOP would compromise with the Democrats; they were wrong, just like Obama, and myself. Obama doubled down on compromise; offered deals that were more generous than his Democratic comrades would palate; he did anything for a deal. But the GOP didn't take the bait. They were cunning, and wanted the 2012 election to be a referendum on Obama. They knew that if the economy didn't rebound, that the incumbents (aka most Democrats and Obama) would be booted out.
In 2011, after the Tea Party freshmen infected the House, it just so happened that the federal debt ceiling would have to be extended in April. The GOP took the offensive, threatening to shutdown the government if Planned Parenthood wasn't denied federal funding (so much for "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs," eh?). The Democrats managed to offer a small amount of spending cuts, which temporarily placated the GOP. Unfortunately, when the debt ceiling had to be raised once again in early August, they went on the offensive once again, demanded higher spending cuts. When the Democrats tried to cut a deal, based on tax increases and spending cuts, they refused, refusing tax increases because of their damn pledge to that spineless weasel Grover Norquist. Obama came in and offered the GOP a huge grand bargain of sorts, based partially off of the Simpson-Bowles commission (which Obama did not reject, just merely delayed in using). It contained roughly $2.8 trillion in spending cuts and $1.2 trillion in tax increases. Obama upped the ante and moved the posts a bit, but Speaker Boehner still could have made the deal. But then that upshot idiot Eric Cantor rejected the bargain, along with the ultraconservative Tea Party caucus. Obama could have mustered the votes, even though the deal was a little one-sided, but Boehner couldn't. So he backed out. A few days later, Congress passed a smaller package. $900 billion in immediate cuts, balanced among military and nonmilitary expenditures, and $1.2 trillion more if a supercommittee couldn't offset them. S&P downgraded us, the stock market took a dive, the supercommittee failed, and, you know the rest.
In short, the GOP never wanted to work with Obama. They played a huge trick on the American people, and succeeded. It is beyond my understanding how 40% of the population can believe their lies, their failures, and fall for their trick. But they do. It makes me feel that we as a people are stupid and gullible; smart enough to outwit the British Empire, but not smart enough to catch the politicians in the act. Unless we deal the GOP a crushing blow in November, we will never get out of this crisis. Not the economic one, but the partisan one. It's your choice America, choose with caution, as this will truly decide thy fate.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
wade -- relax. ACA passed with more than half of Americans against it, not much to be said about that as a success. it may even go away tomorrow. Mr. O did not mastermind anything, that was done by experts, not political hacks. No written orders required.
a bully? for expressing my opinion? that is just what you have done, expressed your opinion. it is fine with me that you express whatever you want, it is your opinion. i find nothing inherently wrong with opposing any politician whose policies i disagree with, that is what elections are for. as to admitting a mistake, when will you realize that O is just a man? Today it is reported that another of his big supporters, Pickens, will endorse Romney since O failed to follow through on his energy policy promises. look for more defections in the coming months.
Not necessarily. We credit the winning of World War II with not just the men and women who served but also by the men who commanded them, like Eisenhower and Patton and FDR. I don't see why Obama shouldn't get any credit. He launched an extremely risky operation, into foreign territory, with huge risks. OBL wasn't 100% confirmed to be in that building. Besides, the Seals could have bungled the operation, letting bin Laden escape or by getting killed. The Pakistanis would have been majorly pissed off, setting off a diplomatic catastrophe. And the memories of the failed op to rescue the American hostages from Tehran still ring a bell. Carter got blamed for it, allowing the Republicans to assume dominance over foreign policy. It took guts to send those troops into foreign territory. Had Obama failed, his presidency would have ended. You Republicans would have a field day; admit it. But now that he succeeded, and your party's dominance over foreign policy has crumbled, you seek to comfort yourselves by claiming that anyone, even Carter, would have done it. Romney even opposed searching heaven and earth for bin Laden. So continue to lie to yourselves; it only makes Obama's triumph all the more sweeter.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Exactly, Freshieee, BillyBob, O'bama gave the orders. Had the SEALS acted without his written orders they would be up for a court martial. So to say he had nothing to do with the SEAL operation, is a bald face lie. Are lies all you have to offer? Are you paid for every GOP lie you try to pass off as truth? Lincoln would take one look at what passes for the Republican party and weep if he was alive today. If victory over the Democrats means any thing goes, then it is NOT worth it.
I post two YOU tube videos that prove that the GOP wanted O'bama, to fail. You have not acknowledged acknowledged them, BillyBob, nothing else you say matters.
FR--how insulting to the Latinos to suggest that they will hold filibusters and change of support by GOP Senators against President Obama. As if they don't know that the administration tried to pass the DREAM Act and was thwarted by the obstructionism of the GOP.
Watching the Democrats and Republicans fight over the Latino vote reminds me of two seagulls fighting over a carp.
Steeler- How insulting to Latinos that LIBERALS assume ALL LATINOS support illegal immigration. You people are something else. And you AG thinks that too. Yet another reason we need to get his disgraceful anti-American ass out of office.
@Damage123, being white and living in Texas and having Hispanic neighbors and working buddies, I know what you are talking about. As for some parts of this country they don't have a clue what you mean and as for a lot of whites and BLACKS (believe it or not) are profile predjudice. Hispanics fought and died at the Alamo and many Hispanics can trace their heritage to this and other events before Texas became a State.
As for me I'm getting a kick out of the fact that Romney is generating anger from Republican Governers. He wants them to shut up and tell lies to cover his lies and make him sound good. This is what CEOs do. This what he will be like as POTUS. He is just a puppet for the 1%ers.that for some insane reason want so badly to destroy this country. I spent 24 yrs in the Army and after I got out and took a good look around and did not like what I saw. It's hard for me think I had my rifle pointed in the wrong direction all this time. It really is disheartning to think I may have to enter politics to fix the wrong that I helped to create instead of retiring gracefully. Oh well, I never wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, but I've one good fight still left in me. Obama/Biden
I don't think anyone support illegal immigration. I think the biggest issue here is that we need to immigration reform to fix the broken quota system, and find a way to provide a legal status for kids who were brought here illegaly by their parents. I sent my son to school in Mexico last year for a semester, he had 3 kids in school with him that had lived in the U.S. since they were infants. They were taking Spanish as a second language with my son. They spoke, some spanish but they didn't know how to read or write it.
And you think that Obama's not a puppet?! Get REAL!!!!
DREAM ACT......HAHAHAHAHAHA
What a piece of trash legislation.....that's why it got shot down!
Even my wife who was born & raised in Mexico thought it was one of the biggest pieces of trash legislation to ever come out of Washington!!
The Dream Act did NOTHING to support the millions of illegals who have been here for DECADES working and earning a living illegally!!!
Obama incoherent on plan, trying to fool a naive public.
Supporters of the policy continuously talk about individuals who were brought here "by their parents".
So David North from the Center for Immigration Studiesdecided to call the hotline set up by the Administration to ask for clarification.
What did David find? Six different responses from six different operators, and most of the six weren't very confident with their answers.
Yes Willing.Sniper, because anecdotal evidence is the strongest. Thanks for the post :|
TNSEVOL...no other president ever declared that he wanted to "Fundamentally Change" the United States.
This country has a Constitution that was written to protect us - We, the Citizens, from an overbearing government, tyrrany and to guarantee us a representative form of government, with checks & balances.
To "Fundamentally Change" this country means to "Change" the Constitution that was written to protect us from people like Obama that wants the Federal Government to tell us how to live, what we can have, what's best for OUR children and how much of OUR money we are allowed to keep. Keep in mind, WE elect our Representatives to represent US, as citizens and Senators to represent OUR State. The Electoral College elects the President to insure the laws, Constitutionally Passed, are executed. He didn't take an oath of office to faithfully look for ways around the Constitution and do what he pleases. This is supposed to be a government Of the People, By the People and For the People - not by Dictator Obama.
Barack Obama, before he was elected president, said that the Constitution puts "too many limits" on the Federal Government to "Act". Problem is, people weren't listening...
Nice fiction, Jed tell me another lie while you are at it.
Romney's 'Some Towns Just Don't Count' Tour
John Nichols
Mitt Romney’s “Every Town Counts” bus tour brought the presumptive Republican presidential nominee across southern Wisconsin and into Iowa Monday and Tuesday.
But the towns didn’t count enough for him to learn their real histories and their real needs. And the tour scrupulously avoided towns where Romney’s Bain Capital continues to put the hurt on American workers.
In Janesville, Wisconsin, where a sprawling General Motors plant closed three years ago, socking the town with one of the highest unemployment rates in the region, Romney failed during his stop to discuss the plant or GM. He couldn’t exactly rip into his November opponent, Barack Obama, for not doing eneough to reopen the plant—a credible gripe—since Obama worked during his first term to save GM while Romney talked up the idea of letting the company go bankrupt.
That’s the problem for Romney. He has been on the wrong side of so many economic fights that it is impossible for him to play the economic populist in communities that could stand with a little populism.
But the real story of Romney’s tour is the towns that don’t count with him.
When Romney made stops in Janesville and Dubuque Monday, he was just up the road from the town of Freeport, Illinois.
But Romney did not stop in Freeport, a town that like Janesville and Dubuque has been hard hit by trade and fiscal policies that encourage corporations to shutter US factories and ship jobs overseas—and that has been even harder hit by speculators who buy up factories, strip the assets and close them.
On the day Romney was busing across the region, employees of Freeport’s Sensata Technologies plant gathered in front of the factory with handmade signs that read:
“Romney! Stop Bain Outsourcing to China”
“Mitt Romney Save Our Jobs”
“Romney: Instead of talking about JOBS, just don’t ship MINE to China”
The Sensata Technologies plant, which has been on the forefront of producing state-of-the-art automotive sensors, was owned by Texas Instruments, and then by Honeywell, before being sold in 2010 to Sensata Technologies Holding, N.V, a firm based in the Netherlands but majority-owned by Bain Capital. Bain, the private equity firm that Mitt Romney helped to develop and that continues to make him a very rich man, has since consolidated ownership of Sensata.
The workers at the plant wanted Romney to make a slight detour on his bus trip and take a look at the devastation being caused by Bain’s machinations at a plant where many of them have worked for more than thirty years.
The plant’s operations are rapidly skrinking as Sensata moves to outsource work from Illinois to China.
“This used to be a very high-volume plant and now it’s pretty much a ghost town…and by the end of the year it will be a ghost town”, Sensata employee Cheryl Randecker told local reporters.
Had Romney come to Freeport, he would have heard how much Bain’s approach has harmed not just the Sensata workers but Freeport and counties along the Illinois-Wisconsin stateline that have suffered more than their share of plant closings.
“Sensata is moving forward with the process of relocating jobs from their operations in Freeport to China,” explains John Blum, the chairman of the Stephenson County Board.
In addition to the “significant human toll on the more than 140 families that will be affected by this loss of jobs and financial security,” says Blum, “The loss of these jobs will have a tremendous impact on our regional economy.”
That’s a story that Mitt Romney does not want to focus attention on.
So his bus didn’t stop in Freeport.
Perhaps the name of Romney’s bus tour should be changed from “Every Town Counts” to “Some Towns Count.”
But those Americans who really do believe that workers in places like Freeport ought not be left behind should ask themselves whether talk about renewing the American economy is credible coming from a man who continues to profit from the plant closings, the layoffs and the outsourcing practices that are crude byproducts of Bain Capitalism.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/168477/romneys-some-towns-just-dont-count-tour
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Never forget.
The outsourcing continues.
The Hopes, Dreams and Aspirations of normal everyday Americans are dashed.
Vibrant Communities all across America that used to be part and parcel of life its own self are destroyed.
“Vulture Capitalism” is alive and well, probably doing as well as it ever was.
The Greed of the Few must be Served at the Expense of the Many.
Old Willard is still showing a Profit and smiling that smile that doesn’t reach his eyes.
Thanks again, IR. Only the stupid and the willfully ignorant cannot understand that Bain is about wealth and capital extraction. It is not about creating wealth and creating jobs. No argument that is based on solid arithmetical principles will show otherwise.
David - "ONly the stupid and the willfully ignorant cannot understand that Bain is about wealth and capital extraction. It is not about creating wealth and creating jobs."
So Bain does not "create wealth"? The don't have people working for them?
Go read the book "The Goal", companies don't exist to make their customers happy or to create jobs, they exist to MAKE MONEY. Don't know what part of that is hard to understand...
Romney's slogan should read:
There is no job that I cant outsource.
Good report IR!
So why hasn't Obama done something about outsourcing jobs to China? Why would a company that is in business to make money have to pay more in the US for labor?
I look at it this way... Levi jeans outsources to China, for cheap labor. Did that reduce the cost to us consumers? No. Did it make Levi jeans better quality? No. Did it make them more profits? you answer that one....
Just one little fly in the ointment-
Romney is no longer AT Bain. Hasn't been, for some time.
The guy who is NOW in charge? Big Obama donor. I guess one could conclude that the signs were not directed at Obama because, after all, the Obama campaign was probably paying them to protest, and you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
"America has never worked,” according to Barack Obama. “The rich get richer and the poor get poorer,” he says. Yet he believes that, “The private sector (economy) is doing fine.” He thinks we need more teachers, police, and fireman jobs to improve the economy....What the hell is he smoking?
Since Americans voted for Democrats to take charge of the economy in 2006, and voted Obama to be President with a Super-Majority Democrat Congress in 2008, American wealth has deteriorated by 39%. Millions have lost their jobs and not recovered, most still living on unemployment after four years. Millions more students have been unable to enter the job market because there are no jobs to be had. The choice in 2012 will be between Romney’s Republican capitalism or Obama’s Democrat socialism. Which one do Americans think will grow the economy and which will continue to wreck it?
The Choice Is Clear - Romney 2012
Harley Chic:
The GOP way did not work last time and the economy has been improving steadily under Obama so yes, it will be interesting. Your comments are so out of touch with reality they are simply not worth arguing or rectifying but please, I would be very interested in your source for the President stating that "America has never worked."
By the way, Sean Hannity is not a credible source.
Sirie writes..."So why hasn't Obama done something about outsourcing jobs to China? Why would a company that is in business to make money have to pay more in the US for labor?"
Where have you been?...Everyone else knows the Dems put up bills to give tax breaks to businesses that come back to America and to take away tax breaks for companies who took jobs overseas, and the repubs blocked it! Same with taking away subsidies for big oil when even the CEO's of big oil testified they did not need them...Yep repubs blocked that too! Why do repubs take jobs to China?...because repubs are un american because of their NEED TO GREED!
Let's see - Barry's "jobs czar" recently moved tens of thousands of GE jobs to China. Bain, Bain, Bain, Romney outsources jobs, blah blah blah.
Hypocrits.
Does anyone remember a large amount of money going to a company called Fisker's Automotive???? How many jobs has THAT created? They were laying people off back in February ...in the Delaware plant...more monies of the American people mis-spent by the Obama Kingdom! ;o(
If companies do not make their customers happy, their products will not sell and they will not make anything.
If Levi goes to China to manufacture, to make themselves more money, AND turns out an inferior product, still making themselves more money, are you happy?
I mean, Levi is making money, so, in your view, it shouldn't matter whether the product is good OR whether the consumer is happy, OR where the product is being manufactured, right?
This is where your argument fail...
If it's doing so well you only have Obama and the democrats to blame for it.
Wow, just wow all these foolish lefties wanting to roll back the global economy. Whatever happened to their ideals of improving the plight of the poor, elderly or disabled.
LOL, I can hear them now saying that $2/hour isn't a living wage, blah, blah, blah. Yep, and they don't have our standard of living either, they have their own.
Talk about being greedy, the LWNJ's have it in spades!
Starsailor - what rubbish, do you really think that a tax break is all it takes to draw jobs back to the USA? Growth is overseas, do you really expect the multinationals to increase their supply lines and costs just for a small tax break?
Do you really think a penalty applied to companies who outsource jobs will force jobs to remain in the USA? Seems that you and others on the left have a warped sense of view on job creation incentives.
American ...try re reading my post again, repubs blocked tax breaks for bringing the jobs back AND Blocked taking away the tax breaks given to companies who take jobs overseas.....DUH! Multinationals do not need tax breaks from the United states taxpayers.
I once worked for Jostens, the day after NAFTA was signed they opened a plant to make rings in Mexico. They closed plant in Santa Barbara, then Attleboro Mass. All Attleboro jobs went straight to Mexico right across the border from Laredo. The Mexico plant failed and they had to bring the jobs back to Attleboro to save the company......Yeah...first hand knowledge how jobs disappear with tax breaks given to outsource jobs and how jobs can come back!
If that's so, why do you think that cutting taxes on the wealthiest Americans will cause an economic boom??? If that's so, why do you think Romney will fix the economy??? His entire economic plan is predicated on tax cuts (which according to you don't work) and cutting regulation, which by the way GOT US INTO THIS DAMN MESS!!!!!!! All I see is another recession looming over the horizon. That statement right there just undercut Romney's entire platform. You've just proven that tax cuts don't work, which means to solve the deficit we need to raise taxes. Unfortunately, my friend, according to the logic that you use on me and my liberal friends, that is the definition of socialism. You're now a socialist, dude; welcome to the club. ;)
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
I think it is quite telling that if Mitt Romney doesn't fall off of the podium, the media says he gave a "storng speech".
How can you give a "strong speech" when you don't actually say anything? What made it strong? Word choice? Tie color? Inquiring minds wanna know!
P.S. Now, now First Read, don't go bothering "independent" (code for folks ashamed to admit that they are Republican) voters with the facts about Bain . . . they prefer to create their own "narrative" . . . life is easier that way.
http://www.lobelog.com/89-of-republicans-think-iran-nuclear-attack-on-israel-likely-63-think-iraq-had-wmd/
... ah the dream of attacking Israel with a nuke thereby causing one's nation to be turned into an ocean of black glass in retribution ... you betcha.
Best line of the week Nash! lmao
Shall we have some red kool-aid now..? ;o)
Thousands of Dead Kurds believed that Iraq had WMD's as they chocked to death in their homes and streets. Its a shame you werent there to witness it first hand.
WorkingOne
... and just where did they get that WMD from? ../ tick tock / tick tock ....
What - the WMD's that didn't exist?
Nash-
I continue to be amazed at how the so-called "liberal media" give Romney a free pass. He blasts Rick Perry and other Republicans for any semblance of moderation in their approach to immigration reform, then stands in front of a Latino crowd and says he will work for a "long-term" solution?
He blasts Obama for his action, claiming it will hurt US employment, then says we should allow those who obtain advanced degrees in the US to stay in the US ("attach a green card to their diploma") because they "create jobs"? What about the jobs they will take away from US citizens?
I have never seen a candidate treated with such "kid gloves" - Romney NEVER answers the tough questions or gives any details of his"plans".
Ideology,
You will NEVER get anyone to admit who sells all the WMD to the world. It would be unAmerican to admit we are the authors of the mess this world in. Glad to see you, my dear friend, and a wave and a hello to Frank and to everyone on FR!
... it ceased to exist when they used it all up ... answer the question WO.
I saw on a thread a while back that you were ill.Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers.
WO, Yes at one time Iraq had chemical weapons, but as it turns out they had destroyed them long before we attacked them. Maybe the "W" Administration could have let Hans Blix and the UN inspectors complete their work. Oh, but if they would have, then the Bush Administration wouldn't have been able make up excuses to attack Iraq to free up their oil.
Good morning Feisty . . . I am dragging this morning so red koolaid is just the thing. . . I am going on vacation next week . . . so ya'll leave a light on for me so I can find my way back! :o)
P.S. no joe, I don't know if you are meaning to address your comments about being ill to me, but other than a few middle aged aches and pain, I'm doing well . . . but thanks for the prayers just the same.
nojo
Thank you for your kind thoughts and words. I will accept all the help I can get! I still have a lot of living to do - some dreams I want to realize.
Sorry, Nash- I was addressing phinephancy.
they received chemical weapons from us, the United States of America. I am not sure which president it was, and it could have been several.
Where did they get the WMD's - Probably those crazy Canadians - It was made from there nasty beer.
Maybe it came from the same place as your flying pig?
Anyone with a brain knows why the Republicans and Issa went after AG Holder. It was revenge and nothing else for forcing AG Gonzalez to resign. Now..look at the differences in what the GOP is holding censureship against Holder for...actions taken by the Justice Dept. that go back to the implementation of "Fast and Furious" by the Bush Administration. No mention of that choice tidbit by Issa...Why? Is it because the gun running in TX and AZ is the cause of 90% of the drug cartels getting their murderous mitts on guns from these 2 states?
Now..Look at why Gonzalez was forced to resign. Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rummy all had the idea that if they allowed Gonzo to hire only Republicans for jobs in the Justice Dept. the fate of law in the US would be entirely in the hands of Republicans...NOW do you see why they are attacking Holder? It has nothing to do with Fast and Furious and everything to do with denying the Republicans their one chance to reinvent law enforcement in this country via installing a Texas Bush crony like Gonzo. Big time GOP anger over that missed opportunity and now...time for GOP revenge? Is this what they are hired to do? Plan one revenge tactic after another knowing all the while each success revenge attack dismantles this administration? "We will get rid of Obama".....Mitch McConnell, (R-KY) March 2009....3 months into a new presidency and the battle lines were drawn by Republicans.
If Holder was Anglo-American he would have been fired (at least) by now! I've been watching the proceedings for quite awile on C-span/C-span2 and can't believe the outright racial bias exibited by the Democrat members ! It's appalling!
"Why Obama is still not home free on immigration"
But MSNBC, Obama is "home free" - free to go home because Americans are disgusted by his treason.
There is nothing in the Immigration and Nationality act that requires deportations as a consequence of violation immigration law....absolutely nothing. It defines when they are deportable, it defines fees for immigration violations, and prison time for repeat offenders.
So tell me where the treason is?
I'd say Reagan, because at the same time as Iran-Contra we were funneling weapons and intel to the Iraqis to play them off against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War. Then again, it could have been under Carter, who covered his tracks with the "human rights" stuff.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
When the Soviet Union collapsed, the NATO alliance became very disturbed at the news that many of their nuclear weapons were going missing and the fear, which I believe was substantiated, was that some countries were buying them. I do not think that any other Nuclear Power was selling the weapons. We are not always the bad guys!
Well, listoire, that may be true, but I advise you to never underestimate the irrationality and cruelness of the industrialized world. We have done numerous things that should make all of us, Democrats and Republicans, ashamed and guilty.
I beg to differ with your article. In 2010, the House passed what is known as The Dream Act. The legislation then received 55 votes in the Senate but was not allowed to come to the floor for a vote. I think any intelligent person would surely consider this as a push for immigration reform. I have noticed that this seems to be the new line of the media that he had 3.5 years and has done nothing on immigration.
Could you please check the Congressional records as I have and make sure that the Senate vote on The Dram Act is not a misprint.
Charles, well said. It seems the media's memory is as vague as that of republicans.
I've got one better to get an answer to...The Bush Administration had 8 ...got that? 8 years to do something about immigration. He didn't do squat and it was because his precious TX would have lost billions from TX hiring of illegals in that state. Their own state DOL chieftain stated this publicly last year on NPR. This is the same BS story you get from the GOP regarding financial reform they called "too much paperwork" in 2010. This is the same BS story they regurgitated in 2009 regarding healthcare reform.
So let's assume all Republicans were "ignernts" for their 8 years and had no knowledge whatever of the growing number of medical bankruptcies, the growing number of foreclosures, the growing number of unemployed...what then WERE they paying attention to other than enriching Halliburton for Cheney and Blackwater for Bush? Once you get the basic mechanism the Republicans use to keep the 1% in wealth and the Corporate Welfare state feeding at the taxpayers' trough, you see just how very valuable stalling by the GOP is...to the GOP well-seasoned good ole bois...stalling is huge profit.
The DREAM Act isn't reform. It is rewarding people for being crimnals.
well, no, it isn't wryview
it's not holding children accountable for the crimes of their parents,...or is that concept a little too vague for you?
DREAM ACT......HAHAHAHAHAHA
What a piece of trash legislation.....that's why it got shot down!
Even my wife who was born & raised in Mexico thought it was one of the biggest pieces of trash legislation to ever come out of Washington!!
The Dream Act did NOTHING to support the millions of illegals who have been here for DECADES working and earning a living illegally!!!
Laker Steve, How many times are you going to re-post your lame, opinionated, using-caps-to-try-and-seem-more-relevant anecdotes? Please stop trolling, or at least change a word or two..
clara -- I do not believe in punishing the children of those entering the country illegally just as I do not believe in rewarding them.
The parents took a huge risk coming into the country illegally and must accept the consequences of their decision even when it affects others in their family.
So then I suppose you support sending a criminal's family to jail with him, right??? After all, he took the risk, and now his family needs to pay for it, right??? That's the precedent that you're setting...
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
but he was able to burden us with Osamacare.
spend until the end baby.
You meant Obam-Ney Care. Mitt Romney wrote an Op Ed declaring that his Massachusetts RomneyCare should be the boilerplate for the Federal Government. Oh, did you forget that Jeff or is this another conservative ignore the facts and Etch-a-Sketch moments?
Like the Bush economy, vote Romney.
Obama/Biden 2012 Fire Up, Ready to Go.
We have not yet been able to advance our Medicare System into the late twentieth century as other Industrial Nations have done, and we still may not be able to accomplish this if you foolish pe0ple who are being convinced that it is the wrong way to go, but if that is true then why have our political representatives had it for so long?
Sorry but my prior comment should state, Wrong way to go, succeed in stopping it,
Mitt Romney & the GOPTP's Horrible, Awful, Very Bad Week. It's been a tough week for Mitt Romney, he's been found out and the media finally noticed--he has yet to tell voters what his plans are let alone his real views. We're still waiting a week later to learn what Mitt Romney's position is on President Obama's "pathway to legal status" for young people brought to this country illegally by their parents. Senator Mitch McConnell said the GOP will wait to hear their "party leader", Romney's position before they determine what their opinion is. Enough said, we know that means Mitt Romney dares not touch the topic of immigration reform or risk alienating either his base or Latinos. Yesterday Romney spoke to a Latino group and just as he did when asked by CBS's Bob Schieffer (5 times), he still never told anyone what he would do.
Meanwhile, Darryl Issa continues his witch hunt to defeat President Obama via surrogates. Lately Issa's surrogate of choice is Attorney General Eric Holder. Fast & Furious began in 2006 but Issa has yet to request testimony from those officials of the Bush Administration, the head of the ATF and those involved in the program. Instead he focused on Eric Holder who ended the program. If the House goes through with their Contempt of Congress vote next week, Issa will have successfully made the 2011 GOP House into an even bigger joke than they have been to date.
If Issa were sincere in his investigation, he would start at the beginning but what could we expect from a GOP House Representative who was once arrested for stealing a car, arrested for carrying a concealed weapon and was accused of burning down a building. Well, Mr. Issa, expect to hear the sound of "backfire".
In other news, there is the sound of Ron Paul in the background. While Mitt Romney and the GOP sing a song of party unity, Ron Paul supporters and their take over of State GOP Party's have another plan--supporters have no intention of voting for Romney. One only needs to read the news stories of the GOP State Conventions to know there is trouble in Mitt's paradise.
say what?
Osocialist implicates himself in the F & F and takes jobs from a few hundred million Americans and Romney's had a bad week?
lolllllllllllllllllll
Jody:
Shortened or not, it's still damned good.
JasonInNYC:
Credibility has a bit of value. Care to help me understand how the President took jobs from a "few hundred million Americans"? Of course, I understand arithmetic, so you can see why I might be confused knowing that the entire population of this country totals only a "few hundred million".
I believe Fox has an opening in its Statistics Department.
Ron Paul supporters and their take over of State GOP Party's have another plan--supporters have no intention of voting for Romney
I can attest, my relatives in Maine who went to the Republican convention witnessed Romney's lawyer, the same guy who argued for Bush vs Gore, in a fight with the Ron Paul supporters who took over the Maine Republican convention. The Romney lawyer lost the argument this time. All the delgates from Maine are going to the convention supporting Ron Paul, even though Romney supposedly won the general state caucus.
Can you imagine if Maine and Iowa sent delegates supporting someone other than President Obama to the Democratic convention? The press would be writing headlines like, "divided party endangers Obama re-election." This is happening to Romney and the press response: crickets.
damn it, i need to proof my posts more carefully.
thanks for the correction
Jody,
I see that Romney is running an ad in Iowa at this early date. Have you seen it yet?
Meanwhile the big donor sleepover for Romney spuerpac mafia has a designated "donor hotel" !?!? no press allowed on the mountain, and his aides will stay in where?
It is times like this I miss the passing of Hunter H.Thompson and his gonzo journalism. He would have found a way to report on the sleepover to the delight of all his readers.
Meanwhile in MN the biggest donor for the GOP has said he is taking his money and going home. He is upset that the GOP controlled Legislature did not pass a right to work law. Romney does not need to run any ads in MN. He is behind Obama by double digits, our state economy is doing fine. Unemployment is at 5.6%.
Jody, What about the President's week. Intelligence leaks endangering lives of assets (Iran cyber attack, underwear bomber double agent, Pakastani Dr. hung out to dry but gave us Bin Laden), Fast and Furious investigation which started 18 months ago, all holder had to do was turn over requested documents back then and this would have been over. Instead he stonewalls the documents and now it is a fiasco for the Administration and forced the President to exert executive privilege. For what, even the Republicans didn't believe Holder or the President were involved, now it just seems fishy that at the last minute executive privilege is used. And to think he ran on having transparency. If this was a Republican administration all the democrats would be doing the same thing. Jody fast and furious is under the Obama Administration, under President Bush, there was a different program called Wide Receiver. And no one died during that program.
Job numbers are down, 5 major US banks have their credit rating downgraded making it tougher for small business's to get loans and thereby create jobs. Unemployment looks to be going in the wrong direction, back up. Now the main stream media is starting to ask questions. And of course during all this, the President did get in his 100th round of golf. I think most politicians would rather have Romney's bad week as compared to the President's. Don't you think?
Happy Friday Jody. Another Great One! It has been a tough for Romney.
It's been a tough week for Mitt Romney
Really Jody?
How is Obama's June going?
Next week ought to be a hoot!
Here is what else happened this week:
Recognizing that "the economy" and "jobs" are the top concerns of the electorate, Obama decided that the best thing he could do this week was to pander for Hispanic votes by executive order. At the announcement, there was quite a todo when a reporter had the temerity to actually ask Obama a question! The outrageous inquiry? -How will this fix unemployment?
A better question would have been why Obama issued this order, but refuses to sign the EO that's been on his desk for months that would bar government contractors from discriminating against LGBT employees- but the unemployment question, which was not answered, was a good one, too.
Actually, Obama really cannot answer any question about the economy- to do so, he would expose himself as what the majority already know he is- a hopeless incompetent. (let us not forget that "the private sector is doing fin".) In fact, Obama's only area of expertise seems to be to spend money like water-he is so poor at handling money, he is deficit spending his campaign
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77672.html
Yep- that's right, folks. 170 fundraisers and counting, and he's spending more than he takes in. What's Austrian for schadenfreude?
Of course, there are those who see Obama's newest campaign issue- err, principled stance on children brought here illegally- as an attempt to divert attention from the economy, but there are also people who believe that the sun rises in the east, so what can you expect? Anyway, Obama is darned mad that Romney will not take the bait, and continues to talk about the economy, rather than Obama's chosen topic
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/t/blogEntry?id=16625979
Obama is not a one trick pony, however-Obama also tried to change campaign tactics this week to attack Romney's record as Governor of Massachusetts. He did this by sending out surrogate David Plouffe, who is a master of Obama's chosen strategy-lie like a rug, and hope you don't get caught
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/whopper-white-house-adviser-david-plouffe-on-romneys-jobs-record-and-gop-strategy/2012/06/20/gJQAi13HrV_blog.html
Yeah- that ought to work in the debates, right?
Democrats are up in arms over attempts to ensure that only those eligible to vote cast votes. In Florida, lack of cooperation from the Department of Homeland Security led to the Governor ordering counties to use DMV records to check voter registrations against drivers' license records. This caused dueling lawsuits, as the DoJ filed suit against the state for actually checking up on people, while Florida countered with a suit of their own against DHS for improperly withholding records to which the state is entitled. One wonders how many illegal votes Obama plans to gain- in Florida, 96 illegally registered voters have already been discovered-despite very little checking
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/jun/13/nearly-half-of-floridas-purged-voters-in-lee/
Not surprisingly, the overwhelming majority of Florida voters support purging voter rolls of ineligible voters
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77630.html
I guess liberals are against checking voter registrations and requiring ID to vote because they don't want to disenfranchise the ineligible, while the majority support ensuring that only eligible citizens vote.
On the Republican side, Romney outsmarted protesters by avoiding them- to which the DNC cried " unfair "- as they had gone to a LOT of trouble organizing that many to show up, and shelled out quite a bit of money to pay the protesters- but there was no one TO protest
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/anti-romney-protesters-say-theyre-paid-to-heckle
Poor democrats- Obama the Failed as their candidate- a guy so incompetent, they have to PAY for "grassroots".
In yet another example of Obama's completely inept foreign policy, Egyptian militants crossed into Israel, killing a border agent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/gunmen-in-egypts-sinai-peninsula-fire-at-israel-border-killing-at-least-2/2012/06/18/gJQANbBkkV_story.html
This the day after The Muslim Brotherhood took control of the country. It would have been different if Obama had shipped grain, corn, and soy from our reserves when he was warned, in January of 2010, of the consequences of weather and war creating food shortages in the region. Unfortunately, paying attention to the situation would have interfered with Obama's tee time, so he passed.
In other foreign policy news, journalists were "urged" not to make too much of the body language exhibited during an incredibly awkward meeting between Obama and Putin. The fact that they stared straight ahead, each ignoring the other, should mean nothing to any observer.( Possibly, they were each going over their golf swings. ) So, no focusing on the body language, people! Instead, focus on the results of the meeting- which, by the way, was another Obama fail
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/18/obama-support-putin-syria-g20?newsfeed=true
Could be Hillary got it right in the first place-
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19719.html
Certainly, the "reset" was overhyped, if not actually putting us in the position of being "overcharged".
It is, therefore, no surprise that the democratic party seems to be having defection problems- Representative Artur Davis, former democratic candidate for governor of Alabama, has jumped ship, and become a republican- claiming that a political party is "not a prison". He was followed out the door by the senior state democratic committeewoman from Pennsylvania. Also,West Virginia democrats cannot be bothered to go to Charlotte- and, despite being ordered to do so, will not yet endorse Obama's run
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/06/west-virginia-dem-brass-skipping-convention-126525.html
It will be interesting to see what happens here- if they throw Manchin out of the party, it's just another GOP pick-up. I'd say democrats are not that dumb, but they put the convention in a state where their party is raddled with scandal, and kept it there.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/06/14/2137672/former-staffer-sues-democratic.html
Of course, West Virginia is the home of the last of the Blue Dogs- but it seems those in close races-like Pennsylvania Representative Mark -are also anxious to stay as far away from Obama as possible
https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/shiratoeplitz/status/214853470992351232
He was followed by New York Representatives Bill Owens and Kathy Hochul, who also think that skipping the convention might help lead people to believe they are not, in fact, members of Obama's party
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/20/web-news-dems-distancing-from-obama/
I wouldn't worry too much about Obama playing to another empty house-maybe he can pay some of those protesters to show up.
The news that Senator John Kerry was chosen to stand in for Romney in debate prep was greeted by democrats with the kind of cheers and hosannas usually reserved for miraculous Super Bowl wins. While I hate to rain on any parade, I feel it only fair to point out that-
A. Kerry has never, to my knowledge, actually debated Romney;and
B. Kerry lost his debates with Bush.
It's kind of telling that you guys see this as "good news". After all, Obama cult members also cheered a Bloomberg poll- a poll that gave new meaning to the term "outlier"- that over sampled minorities and young voters; and, oh, by the way? Did not provide the breakdown of democrats and republicans polled. Might just as well have based your conclusions about the outcome of the 2010 election by assaying this board.
In other news, MSNBC, which hired an unnamed producer who was fired by NBC for doctoring an audio tape in order to present a racist statement where there was none, doctored a videotape to present cultural ignorance where there was none.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/06/msnbc-misportrays-romneys-wawa-remarks-126545.html
Anybody out there have any questions about why Scott Brown refused to debate unless and until msnbc dropped out?
Not that anyone should conclude that NBC or its affiliates only doctor tapes to make people look guilty- heck, no! Sometimes, they doctor them so people look innocent, too
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/13272524-452/why-did-nbc-not-air-the-most-damning-part-of-jerry-sandusky-bob-costas-interview.html
It might be unfair of me to assume that Sandusky is a democrat, but I can think of no other reason for NBC to have his back.
So, given the journalistic ethics on display, it was completely unsurprising that there was little mention of Tuesday's meeting between Holder and Issa- wherein Holder promised to make documents available in order to stave off what Holder referred to as a "Constitutional crisis". The meeting was less than successful, unfortunately, as all Holder offered was his "superior knowledge"- no documents. Thus, on Wednesday afternoon, the committee held its contempt vote- which the full House will take up shortly. Not to be outdone, Obama decided that he would claim executive privilege over documents in a case he has claimed, consistently, was entirely within the DoJ. It seems a stretch for an executive to claim privilege for documents that have never crossed the threshold of his office, but this is the same "constitutional professor" who brought us an unConstitutional mandate, an unconstitutional "kinetic military activity" in Libya, and assorted, other, unConstitutional activities.
Obama's contortions notwithstanding, the Executive Privilege claim caused the unthinkable to occur- all three major networks actually covered the Fast and Furious scandal! One wonders what is next- think there might be some network mention of the Dollars to Donors program? The revelation, via David Maraniss' biography, that every word in Obama's autobiography, is a lie? The actual cost of the Obama great adventures? You never know.
Well, all the ratings agencies- from the Fed to the private companies- have downgraded their projections for GDP growth- again. Initial claims for unemployment climbed- again. The unemployment numbers will, therefore, be lousy- again. All of which leads to the conclusion that, in less than five months, the voters will send a message- to wit
Obama shelved in 2012.
If anyone has any idea who Osocialist is, please tell, however, if it involves taking jobs from a few hundred million Americans, it must be a GOP/TP member, the party that refuses to enact any sort of jobs bill. Of course, this is also the first we have heard that a few hundred million lost their jobs last week.
As to Fast and Furious, Holder offered Issa compromises on reviewing the documents requested, but Issa refused, preferring instead to make this a game vs. taking care of business. But that shouldn't come as a surprise. After all, Issa is a career criminal complete with convictions and a fudged background, meaning he finds the whole boring business of politics a game. And he does have the lowest of the low-information public supporting his efforts. Regardless of how many times you tell them Holder attempted a compromise, they fall back to their Marshall Law-UFO conspiracy theories.
richard-
You absolutely misrepresented the Fast and Furious "investigation". Have you even been following the story? Yes, the program had a different name under Bush but the objective and the actions were still the same. Thankfully no one was killed during the Bush portion of the program but the risks were sill the same.
Eric Holder has turned over hundreds of documents, there has been no stonewalling - yet Issa continues to request additional documents, yet fails to call any witnesses the Democratic membership has asked for and hasn't even called some of the ATF personnel involved. Holder is not allowed by law to give him some of the documents he has asked.
Issa has gone on record saying that he believes the reason for the program was to pave the way for increased gun control laws by linking gun violence in Mexico to US gun sales. That is laughable and patently false. If the person who is leading the investigation to supposedly uncover the truth behid who was at fault for this botched program has a not-so-hidden agenda how can you call it anythign other than a witch hunt.
And folks, we're off. Suddenly, bank downgrades are Obama's fault. Funny, last we heard from the right is that banks are best left unregulated for they, and they alone, know best how to stay healthy. Well, they have been for the most part, left alone through GOP/TP efforts to stall and kill any bills that attempt one iota of regulation over the banks. If banks know best what banks should do, then please do tell, why were they downgraded?
Now I don't expect an answer from you GOP/TP posters, for we already know what response you will give. You will know nothing about why they are downgraded, but you will certainly have an opinion. Gosh dern .. ya don't know how, ya don't know why, but one thing ya do know, it IS Obama's fault.
Great job no joe, and you documented all your points. Funny how the best the lefties can do -- if they even bother trying to document their positions -- is to cut and past from paragons of critical analysis like ThinkProgress. Too funny.
That Romney election machine sure did a good job nailing down those delegates, didn't it. We're supposed to support him because of his management skills and business acumen. So far I'm still waiting to see evidence of his campaign being managed effectively.
I see No Joe is still afraid to post a weekly wrap up on its own.
I'm not going to act like I know much about why the 5 banks were downgraded, however that is not good news for the economy and for small business.
Now I could swear the NoJo is the one, upon hearing a hint of Blame Bush, stands up in outrage, starts jumping up and down with such vitriol that her vagina falls onto the floor. Yet here we have her post, every paragraph laden with strong hints of Blame Obama.
That's the right wing for you folks .. blame Obama for everything, from NoJo's vagina flopping on the floor to China's falling manufacturing numbers.
RedDev,
How is a jobs bill that focuses on state employees going to help the overall economy?
How is sucking even more money out of the private sector going to help?
Right now we have investors buying our debt because other countries risks are even higher. What are we going to do when we become a higher risk?
Thanks for the support my liberal friends. Looks as if I hit a nerve with Romney's horrible, awful, very bad week and Issa's efforts to help Mitt to have a horrible, awful, very bad week.
David, thanks; the weekly nutshell is on vacation for a few weeks. First to bug the heck out of Snookie Joe who has been frantic because she cannot post hers as a stand alone and second because I am spending considerable time as a volunteer at Organizing for America (Obama).
Northstar, yes, I've seen plenty of Romney's ads and an equal number of Obama ads. Right now, Mitt's pushing the private sector is "fine" ad but never fear, Obama has the counter punch to it showing Romney's awful record in MA and him claiming we don't need more fire, police and teachers.
The news reports about the GOP Convention mentioned contentious but failed to describe just how raucous it was. A friend who attended the Iowa State Democratic Convention last Saturday said that the GOP's Convention was down the hall from theirs. Even with the doors closed, the democrats could hear yelling, shouting, screaming and things banging along with what sounded like stuff thrown and hitting the floor. The Iowa GOP has been taken over by Ron Paul supporters; their party platform is now that of the Libertarian party because Paul's people wrote it. Last night Nicole Wallace, GOP pundit, did her best to say what a great thing for democracy that grass roots has won but her words sounded like a cracked bell. Conservatives need to stop kidding themselves, the GOP is now the party of Tea Party, Libertarians and John Birchers--the establishment GOP may have the cash today but money cannot buy these extremists.
Jobs create consumers, who in turn, create demand, which in turn, creates more jobs in the private sector, which in turn creates more consumers and demand, all of which lead to a drop in unemployment and which in turn adds revenue to the tax base which can be used to tackle the debt.
Better question is; how HAS funneling money into the hands of the private sector helped the economy? Answer, it hasn't - it hasn't created jobs, hasn't trickled down, hasn't created demand. The only thing it has done is make the wealthy wealthier and the rest of us poorer.
This won't be an issue if we get the economy going. Sadly, GOP/TP are against economic improvement, thus, we are set up for another massive recession/depression that will result in another massive transference of wealth to the wealthiest in the country.
David Walker ... this
totally made my morning and what made it more so is that poor Jason didn't even get it!
Conservatives need to stop kidding themselves, the GOP is now the party of Tea Party, Libertarians and John Birchers--the establishment GOP may have the cash today but money cannot buy these extremists.
Good recap there Jody, I have been wondering how long it would take this fracture to widen to the point of splitting the party to pieces. And right before the election, it couldn't be better timing for the democrats.
Speaking of GOP/TP party pieces, it will be interesting to see how they recover. You have the religious freaks in one corner, the libertarians in the other corner, the Tea Party in the 3rd corner, and finally the centrists in the 4th corner. Talk about a blood bath as they fight that one out in the ring. The only thing I do know is I wouldn't put money on any of them. I would have an easier time predicting the next Tsunami.
So having an egent killed by a gun that was used for this program is a witch hunt?
Yes President Bush had a similiar program, but they made sure that they stopped the guns at the border.
The guns that were used supposedly had a tracking system. This tracking system was not tested and did not work.
There are tapes of them forcing gun shop owners to sell to known gun runners. Tapes of them telling the gun shop owners to sell them more guns than is legal to sell at one time. That was not done under President Bush's program.
100 of pages? There is over 10,000 pages of documents that have not been turned over.
Eric Holder has already retracted statements that he has given under oath. He needs to come clean.
subnormal, yes, it is a witch hunt because Issa refuses to call ATF heads and Bush administration officials to testify because Fast & Furious began in 2006; it was Eric Holder who ended the program. Want the truth? Then truth requires investigation of its entirety and requires ATF officials who implemented the program to testify and not just Eric Holder.
Bushes "Fast and Furious" was done with the help and knowledge of the Mexican Government. Eric Holders, and Obamas was done with no knowledge of these programs in Mexico. That is the differance.
QUESTION: If Romney is as bad as all you lefties say he is, and Obama is as great as you say her is, then why are they so close in all the polls with Romney even being AHEAD in some??????
And don't give me that stock answer that "people are being duped by FOX News" or that "Americans are dumb". Those answers are not only anti-American but are EASILY discounted because you people only say that when things ARE NOT going your way. So, anybody wanna try?
RedDevPS
We have seen exactly what happens using this policy. It puts more pressure on the states, which in turn either end up laying people of any ways or raising taxes that takes money back out of the economy.
Agreed, the quanitiative easing has done exactly that. We do not want or need to do that again. We have lowered the value of the dollar which is hurting our buying power as well.
Well I will speak for myself. I am against programs that end up costing us more money without any benefit. We are spending 1 trillion dollars a year more than we are taking in for tax revenue. If that by itself does not help the economy pick up spending another 100-500 billion is not going to do anything. Remember the first program was 800,000,000,000.00 between tax cuts and programs. We might have seen a slowing but no fundamental improvement in our economy. We need to fix the under lying problem, which is demand, and consumer purchasing power. We need improvements or programs that use private sector money to start it and maintain it. If we use money that we do not have, to build a project that is going to relie on future tax revenue to support, we end up with a net loss again.
As much as it is a hated project the pipeline would do these things. We do have private capital, the problem is investors have no idea what to put it in. Solar is a bust, wind is not a good investment, we do not need any more retail space, the housing market has not bottomed out yet. I am sure that we can find a safer route than what was originally picked. Road improvements are ok, but once again that is a specific part of the economy. I do not know about your state, but there are quite a few major projects being worked on here. Building light rail or high speed trains are not going to help us, since they are not self sustaining. They will need future tax dollars just to operate.
Over the last 3 years we have had a false economy. We have spent money we do not have to make it to a better day. At some point you have to pay the bills, that is just the reality of the situation. Until we do that we will not have long term economic growth.
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, now that was a great book! He was a true journalist. He pulled no punches and told it like it is (was). I sure do miss that kind of journalism too.
Jody,
fine, bring in the other agents. But Eric Holder has been proven to have lied under oath. You can call it anything you like, a miss-statement, a misunderstand of the question. But he has lied to the panel. They did ask for documents to support what he said happened under President Bush, he later retracted the statement. So once again what is he hiding?
What is your argument for what he is doing in Florida? There is several proven cases where an address listed for a voter is not correct and never was correct and he is suing the state of Florida over it.
There is another case in I believe South Carolina where a company is trying to get documents for the workers per a state law and is being sued by the federal government under Eric Holder's super vision to prevent that from happening. How is that helping anyone?
You want jobs, but it seems to be only under your conditions. The democrats also seem to want an underclass made up of illegal aliens. How is that putting Americans to work?
Layton,
I concur with your assessment and find myself cracking up repeatedly at the whiffle and the aftermath of it sailing past the fielder.
Good one, David!
Jody highlights why Democrats actually thought they had a chance in 2010 and thought they had a chance in Wisconsin: An utter inability to face reality, a problem that afflicts all Liberals.
Subnorma - not sure about where you live, but I can guarantee you one thing, my police officers, fire fighters, state troopers, and every other level of state employee shops at the same grocery store I do, they shop at wallyworld, they shop at the dollar store (where you can check labels and still purchase Made in America products by the way), they go to local sporting events and purchase food at the concession stand. Case in point - they spend money which generates more money into the economy. No, we don't shope in expensive stores, guess that is why our state employees spent money is not recognized by you, but I am telling you the truth when I say they are a vital part of this economy and cutting state jobs and pay is not very smart. Besides, you are probably one of those who throws a hissy fit if they have to wait longer than 15 minutes to obtain a drivers license cause the line is so short due to not having enough employees working there. You do know , I'm sure that state employees working regular hourly jobs make quite a lot less than anyone in the private sector. In Tennessee it is shameful what they pay hourly state workers but our baffoon of a governor steadily creates commissioner and assistant commissioner jobs for his campaign contributor's children and those jobs pay big bucks!
Obama incoherent on plan, trying to fool a naive public.
Supporters of the policy continuously talk about individuals who were brought here "by their parents".
So David North from the Center for Immigration Studiesdecided to call the hotline set up by the Administration to ask for clarification.
What did David find? Six different responses from six different operators, and most of the six weren't very confident with their answers.
Jody,
Thanks for stating this background on ISSA. Fast & Furious began in 2006 but Issa has yet to:
1) "request testimony from those officials of the Bush Administration, the head of the ATF and those involved in the program."
2) Instead he focused on Eric Holder who ENDED the program...."
3) On ISSA "..what could we expect from a GOP House Representative who was once arrested for stealing a car, arrested for carrying a concealed weapon and was accused of burning down a building."
“Republicans would need to mess up pretty badly to lose their House majority in the near future.”
Congress has already messed up "pretty badly" since the last election. They were elected to fix the economy and create jobs, and, instead, they focused on social issues and ideological grandstanding. Oh, and, not working with the White House, of course. Making Obama a one term President was their stated number one priority, not improving the lives of the middleclass.
and that socialist in the white house is doing one bang up job...
of taking us right towards Greece.
thank you president downgrade.
If Obama was worth two terms he'd get them. If he wanted fair legislation passed he'd get that too. Obama is personally 100% responsible for being the failure he is, but he's not man enough to admit it so he blames others.
Hey JasonInNYC, you do know how Greece got into trouble? For decades, tax evasion was their national sport. That's right, Greeks did not pay their taxes, kind of like how Romney proudly declares he only pays 14% "and not a penny more!" Republicans have made a fetish out of depriving their democratically elected government the revenue needed to run a world class country.
Even George Washington raised taxes to pay for the American Revolution. Our founders never intended citizens to shirk their military duty and pay the least amount possible in taxes. Look at Greece: billionaires paying less than their secretaries.
Hey Jeff-1570172, tell us what you have been man enough to do for your country? President Obama has spent the last three years re-building relationships with our allies, negotiating with Iraq and Afghanistan to withdraw our troops, fighting with Congress in an attempt to get millionaires to contribute to lowering our deficit, making the decision to kill bin Laden in Pakistan, and personally reviewing the orders to kill al-Qaida through drone attacks, he has inspired school children, minorities, the middleclass, and women, to believe we all have a stake in helping make America great, and you want to replace him with a guy who only represents the interests of the 1%?
Yeah Amy, we see that strength of "relations builing" by Obozo...In Russia, Putin and Medvedev play " kick the can" with the Iranians, Chinese and the Pakistanis......Obummers' face is on the CAN......They OWN him, regardless of his whispered commitments to bow to their wishes. So where IS all this renewed relationships with our allies.......Ask Israel for instance. Obama is a "whack a mole". The only people Obozo inspires is those that listen ONLY to his PROMISES to REWARD if they VOTE for HIM!! Same old, same old....incompetent LYING idiot with throngs of idiot worshippers.....like YOU! The nightmare ends in November.....get your hankies out. For you, it's CRYING TIME!!!!
Oh...Jeffy.....Gallop poll june 14 2012, 68% of all americans blame BUSH for the economy mess. 50% or repubs blame Bush...............Think you are a little out of touch with facts.....
No comment here. Just a few quotes:
"America may be unique as a country in that it went from barbarism to decadence without touching civilization." John O'Neill
"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." H..L. Menken
"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini
by the way, all the minorities combined only account for 25% of the VOTING electorate.
thankfully
Jason,
Do you post a lot to compensate for having nothing to say? ;o)
You betcha. *wink, wink*
nope, just trying to keep up with the detritus and verbal diarrhea the libtards continue to spew.
wink, wink... it ain't easy
Jason, your percentage of minorities is incorrect - it's closer to 37%
Black persons, percent, 2010 (a)
12.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a)
0.9%
Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a)
4.8%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2010 (a)
0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2010
2.9%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2010 (b)
16.3%
White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2010
63.7%
So what about the polls?
that's great news, one step closer to becoming third world.
my numbers were taken from the 2008 election
So Jason, do you not like minorities?
Jason -
How can you post this with a straight face, when your posts rarely if ever contain anything more than your racist and twisted opinion without any factual support? Even when you try and quote facts they are outdated or inaccurate.
I am definitely not surprised that your bigoted a$$ is Republican.
I just had to post this for Jason . . . I wanted to give him something to dream about tonight . . . a man's gotta have dreams, right? ;o)
Jason -
You might want to try the 2010 census rather than the 2008 election - it's a little more up to date and all.
"The nation's racial and ethnic minority groups—especially Hispanics—are growing more rapidly than the
non-Hispanic white population, fueled by both immigration and births. This trend has been taking place for decades, and one result is the Census Bureau's announcement today that non-Hispanic whites now account for a minority of births in the U.S. for the first time.
The bureau reported that minorities—defined as anyone who is not a single-race non-Hispanic white—made up 50.4% of the nation's population younger than age 1 on July 1, 2011. Members of minority groups account for 49.7% of children younger than age 5, the bureau said, and for 36.6% of the total
population. The findings are included in the bureau's first set of national population estimates since the 2010 Census, when 49.5% of babies under age 1 were minorities.
The long-term result of these changes among younger age groups is that non-Hispanic whites are projected to become a minority of the population (47%) by 2050, according to Pew Research Center population projections. (Census Bureau projections say the change will occur in 2042)."
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/
Hope Jason really does like minorities.....seeings as how he's going to be one pretty soon himself.....
Ursula......Illegals = AS MANY AS THE DIMOCRAPS CAN "Register" ,LOAD ON TO Buses and haul to the polls, all for the price of a promise to make them legal, IF THEY VOTE DIM.
Jason, There is a very good chance that as our Nation moves forward that you may see fewer and fewer male Presidents with a face of white. Heck, maybe a very long time!
I can't wait for the day the likes of Jason & his ilk get the payback they justly deserve!
Karma really is a bitch!
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Great post Nash!
BK you have way too much time on your hands, why don't you do something useful like really read and find out about election laws and how elections are run? I am on my county's election commission, have been for several years - we have never had anyone who was not legally registered to vote even try, now maybe your repugnant friends do this, but the voting public by and large do not even try, that is just another smoke screen and most of us see right through it.
Once you tell people you going to do something and then dont.....they loose confidence in you. Obama needs to be voted out ...can't believe a word he says.
June 22, 2012
This will be a tight one, and my current Projection: (Currently the states that will play the biggest in November are Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, Florida and Wisconsin. However, if the election were held today, Obama would win Michigan, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Also, for now I’m placing Florida back into the Romney column.
The key months for this race are going to be September and October. And as far as the debates, Romney may have a problem in this area.
For now, the new totals are:
Projected Winner Obama 297
Projected Loser Romney 241
Job1......YOUR current projection??? Hey, liboturd.....Your current projection on ANYTHING counts for a big stinking pile of Obozo's Crap. Start digging....there HAS to be an idiot like you in there somewhere. Actually, probably thousands. BUT, not nearly enough to re-elect the Clown in Chief. Romney by a landslide.
The wind Blow Job1 projected Walker would lose by 8 points or more -
He said Walker would face a "Resounding Defeat"
B-Job1 sure is a great palm reader - must be a side job.
i believe it's comedy hour... or speech day for the socialist.
it's always entertaining to watch.
The latest immigration stunt by Obama was just a political move to gain votes.
anyone seen Obama's budget yet?
probably the same place his birth certificate is.
Are you referring to the Obama Budget that all of the Democrats voted for.
Ooops - my mistake - I meant to say that None of the Democrats voted for.
You mean the Budget that the Republicans changed and put up for a vote saying that it was the complete budget from the President?
Many on the right just wouldn't know a fact if it bit them. Too much Rush and FOX.
Like I said earlier, Oh yes, Rush is the King of the Dumb Down America Crowd."
job1....why is it that fox and rush are the most watched and listened to programs if there so wrong?...fox has more viewers than all the other networks combined...rush has been on for over twenty years, name another talk show thats been on for that long....they must be appealing to a majority or else they wouldn't still be around....the right keeps bringing out their knights, but none can handle the pressure, and no one listens or watch's them...sorry job1 but facts are facts...
Job1 ....where do you get this crap you post??? Why would the Republicans waste their time changing Odumbos' budget??? Your post is a big phucking LIE Dirtbag.
Sure Job1 - the Republican Super majority in the senate changed Obama's budget and made it so not even one Democrat would vote for it. The only problem with your story is that the Democrats Control the Senate and Reed has complete control of any additions. Are you saying Reed did this?
I have asked you many times - would you vote for Obama's budget?
Jason writes......."anyone seen Obama's budget yet? probably the same place his birth certificate is."
WOW...it's a birther!...........I thought they were extinct!.........My bad...I thought they realized how crazy that thought and plan was after being exposed and chastized a Gazillion times by their own party. Who would have thunk there was one left...errr....rt! HEY LOOK EVERYONE >>A BIRTHER!!!!!
COYOTEHUNTER-
Your logic makes no sense. The longest running show on TV is the WWE's "Monday Night Raw" but that doesn't make it great TV, just entertaining.
Madonna and Britney Spears have sold a lot of records, that doesn't make them great singers.
And how many people watch "The Kardashians" or the "Real Housewifes of wherever"?
Fox News, Rush, et al. tell people what they want to hear, that doesn't make it the truth.
CoyoteHunter, your statement
is probably true to an extent as they do appeal to the majority of people that like to have their information spoon-fed to them without a thought as to the source or truthfulness of it. Too many in this country sit on their "fat" brains and never give a thought to actually exercise the poor thing now and then by checking out the facts. As TNSEVOL noted, just because it's there doesn't mean it's any good.
These RIGHT Wing folks just prove my point every time they open their mouths!
Jason - you need to get a some new material.
"During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission."
Game over for Romney. Voters will never elect an Outsourcing Executive President of the United States
,
you democrats hate work, it's ok, time is up for socialism in this country.
PS - by the way, if you cut and paste to notepad first you won't look like the rookie you are.
Romney was not a founder of Bain capital, Bain was founded in 1972 by William Bain and he later hired Romney to be CEO. If Romney had been a founder his name would have been included in the company title or they would have found some other clever way to name it. As in EMC was founded by Egan, Marino and Curly.
Amy...don't hold your breath!
Amy, like all of the libotard posters here, have a hard time with reality......can't wait to see their faces and hear their lame excuses after the voters steamroll Romney into powers as the NEXT POTUS. The voters fell for Obozos' BS in 2008.....in 2012 they deliver a message. You ARE FIRED!!!
Correct Amy, and bubba in the south is never going to vote for a Morman, and they can kiss the evangecal and SCB vote good bye!
Obama is a nothing but a promise broken, misled poor excuse of a leader who spouts words of encouragement but doesn't back them up. Clearly he says what the different groups that he addresses is what they want to hear, but that 's as far as it goes. He(Obama) has no intention to follow thru with what he so boldly promises and I say that based on what he(Obama) has said an done in the past 3+ years. Empty promises, empty words, equals empty person equals Obama. I'm sick of hearing the crap that this guy(Obama) is trying to get American's to swallow. Without a record he (Obama) does great, but he doesn't deliver, and that makes him a dismal failure period.
Another typical GOP/TP post - a lot of empty claims, empty statements, void of one actual issue. He doesn't deliver .. what hasn't he delivered? What has he failed to deliver that he so boldly promised? It is telling that as of this reply, the empty post has three empty votes.
Empty, empty, empty - the typical GOP/TP post.
So true RedDevPS!
Hey RedDev and Job1...obozo just pooped.....run quick and wipe his butt......
Not sure what an obozo is, but no doubt he/she/it can wipe its own butt. Now what was I saying about empty posts?
Obama is a nothing but a promise broken...what are you talking about?
Obama promised, if his administration learned Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan, we would cross their borders and kill him. And we did.
Obama promised we would not stay in Iraq a "hundred years," but would withdraw troops in an orderly progression. And we did.
Obama promised, he would not allow us to fall into a Depression folling the financial crisis on Wall Street. He passed a stimulus and bailed out Detroit. He promised we'd recover. And we did.
Were not heir yet sweatheart.
Jake - so sorry for you, hope and change are working very well for my working/middle class family, thanks for asking!
Gotta love right wing politics.
First, Obama wasn't tough enough on illegal immigration (contrary to facts), now he hasn't done enough for a comprehensive solution (again, facts to the contrary).
First Obama is a socialist, then he's isn't doing enough to create jobs in a free-market economy.
First Obama wasn't tough enough with defense, then he shouldn't shooting missles to kill al queada.
First, according to ROmney, auto companies should have gone bankrupt, now it's his idea that government should save them.
Do they honestly think Americans are that stupid? I guess so.
you put the first black incompetent community organizer in the WH... so yes.
those so-called facts are just another smoke and mirrors this admin plays, can someone say fast and furious? thought so!
Yes, Obama has been very tough on illegal immigration - However, his method has been to destroy the American economy so the illegals self deport. It seems they would rather be ruled by drug lords than Obama.
There's nothing evil about going bankrupt, the government has spent untold millions in creating a process in which a company that files for bankruptcy goes thru a rebuilding program without closing the doors, still operating, still making money but is closely monitored by outside experts who determine what changes or what problems have to be solved. We as tax payers still will pay for the intervention of government, but not close to the amount of the billion dollar bailout. That's what bankruptcy is all about, saving a company or a persons right to fail an try again.
There are many people still out there that don't like minorities. However, these same people that hate are dying off and the Nation is changing. Thank God!
"Why Obama is still not home free on immigration"
But MSNBC, Obama is "home free" - free to go home because Americans are disgusted by his treason.
@Job1: I've NEVER seen/heard as much HATE as I have from the LEFT! It's either THEIR way or the highway! And yes, the nation IS changing, but not ALL change is GOOD. (ie, USSR under Stalin, Germany in the 1930's and Cambodia in the 1970's, to name a few!) " Oh, the times, they are a-changin'"-Dylan. Not always for the BETTER; especially in our society. And "Thank God" , now that i've "grown up" and the smoke has cleared from my eyes (yes, figuratively and literally) I choose RIGHT over POPULAR/HIP/COOL @ 99% of the time; THANK GOD!
I am a true minority - a caucasion female with a Chippewa Indian card. I am 1/4 Chippewa. I do not like the liberal agenda or their lies! F&F Eric (with)Holder and possibly the POTUS should be held accountable. I can't stand people that just stand up for Barrack Hussein Obama like he is the Messiah. He is the Anti-Christ. Don't all of you lib followers get it???? No I do not need a tin foil hat. THe writing is on the wall. Obama sucks.
Obama/Kony 2012
keep believing in your smoke and mirror empty suit guy, fast and furious anyone?
Romney ad guys,
this is the only tv ad you have to run during the entire campaign.
forget the rest of the socialists failures... this will do it... guaranteed.
Jason, Did you attend high school?
Witty riposte there Job.
You can criticize Obama for no grand strategy but it would have been a wasted effort because the repubs made it very clear they would not allow any such bill to pass.
Any latino who votes for Romney should meditate for awhile on what he has said in the past. it isn't pretty.
should realize there are no jobs to be had in Greece.
Bill,
So, I guess the DEMOCRAT Congress of 2008 - 2010 also got in his way?
"bernie"
Actually the Dems (and botox pelosi) held the Majority in Congress and the Senate 2006-2010!!!
Where is the article on the "Wicked Witch of the West" today ? Botox Nancy (a.k.a. Squirrelly) was shown on a film clip last night declaring the contempt citation for Holder was somehow related to this vague and undefinable "suppression of the vote" .... that doesn't exist other than in the deep corners of her distorted mind. Is she on crack or something stronger ?
Nancy Pelosi is "flakier than a Crisco piecrust" !!! A mind truly IS a terrible thing to waste !!!!
Remember, 60 seats are now needed in the Senate, and that didn't happen.
jim-
Do you realize that ALEC wrote legislation that was sent to several states led by Republican governors detailing how to enact "Election Reforms" that include less absentee ballots, shorter voter registration periods, and voter ID rules?
This IS an attempted national movement by ALEC and the Republicans to make it harder for Seniors and minorities to vote.
We need voter ID rules nitwit. How else do we know if your really who you say you are. If minoritie's can't afford one, they r friggin lying. Check what kind of car they are driving.
Obama also still has relatives that are in this country illegally. His uncle still has deportation proceedings pending THAT ARE FIVE YEARS RUNNING! If the Obama regime cannot fix his own uncle's immigrant status, he certainly doesn't know what to do about the seven million other illegals in this country!
Yes, it is easier to play the blame game, that is why Obama is continuously blaming Bush. (Reagan did not put the blame on Carter, he just did his job! Greece got in trouble because they have an enormous welfare state! Of course you need more taxes to implement that, and it still doesn't work. No Obama 2012!
socialism is great until you run out of other people's money
MT
Obama: "My first year in office...I will make immigrant reform a PRIORITY".
FACT: 4 years later...."I'm throwing you a bone (for votes) and giving a few people *2 years* work visas!
Patty, apparently your memory is as conveniently short as Romney's and the GOP.
GOP senate employed the filibuster to deny a vote on the Dream act.
It wasn't a "Dream" Mark ...... more like a Nightmare ! Bad legislation is simply bad legislation.
Kathy13, reagunn never did anything worthwhile for the working middle class, now if you were rich, well I guess you did very well, otherwise you did quite badly, I know that one honey, my husband and I both worked two jobs while raising our children just to keep a roof over our head. You can spout reagunns greatness all you want but in my yard that dog just won't hunt. He was brain dead before he ever got shot and that did not help him much, and he was never thought to be very intelligent because he never was, actually to a devout Christian (and I am) he was an adulterer with two living spouses and not much of anything else unless you counted acting in b movies.
exactly
Loser REDhead is always first to post, i smell redhaired fish!
she works at MSDNC
Jason,
Well, at least she is working, you should try it sometime - once you are old enough.
Why do you care who posts first?
...no, TNSEVOL, its called not doing work and instead posting socialist rhetoric on MSDNC on company time...
...eventually karma with catch up on her...
Steeler fan, if she has a job she is not working very hard if she can monitor the news and happen to be the first to defend BO on every topic. I actually think she works for BO.
Those of us that have a problem with him is not the color of his skin, its his criminal behavior period.
Quit using the f ing race card. OH and sorry what my Packers did to your steelers!
I doubt the Packers would like you calling them "yours" obummer.
Who is "your" team? "MY" team is GB. Thanks for your opinion but you make no sense. "MY" driver in Nascar is Jeff Burton. Should I say "the team I like" everytime? You've never been asked "who's your team"? Moron.
Okay .... say this out loud and s l o w l y ..... "I cheer for the Green Bay Packers. I do not OWN the Green Bay Packers and if they (the Green Bay Packers) knew a moron with a name of obummer was calling our team "his" the entire defensive line would probably want to have a chat with me."
Better?
Romney says Obama's foreign policy is a disaster but won't tell us what he'd do differently.
Romney says Obama's immigration plan is a disaster but won't say what he'd do differently.
Romney says Obama's tax plan is a disater but won't say what he'd do differently.
Romney says Obama's healthcare plan is a disaster but wonn't say what he'd do differently.
Anybody else see a pattern here?
ANYTHING Mr. Romney does will be better than the Campaigner-in-Chief "Party Boy"!
Obama is probably foaming at the mouth to get the "Miami Heat" basketball team to come party at the WH!
Patty, you are a perfect candidate to be Romney's policy manager: he doesn't have any and apparently you have nothing more than personal insults as well.
Patty -
Perhaps you could point us to the last time a President from EITHER party did NOT invite the championship team in our major professional and college sports to a 15-minute photo op at the White House after they won.
I'd have to look it up, but I'm guessing it was somewhere around Millard Fillmore.....
Please tell us you're not seriously suggesting that Mitt Romney is going to discontinue this practice.
I think it's starting to sink in with the Republicans that they don't have a winner in Romney. After all they don't love him, but instead thy put up with him.
You know how Romney sounds at this point? Romney sounding much like John Kerry did in 2004 when he kept saying wrt the Iraq war and other stuff "I'd do it better" but never got down to specifics. And on the healthcare, it's worse. It's worse because when Romney was govenor of MA, they passed a policy strikingly similar to Obama-care. So are we to believe that the govenor of a state who passed a program very much like it, would do something different, then MA did while he was govenor? That's speaking out both sides of his mouth.
And as to this article, we get more of the flip floping such as how he can present an argument against Obama-care in spite of MA's own healthcare system, which got passed under his watch... Of course he doesn't want to say what he'd do wrt Obama's recent executive order, even while he mentions how, when, and where he'd HAND OUT GREEN CARDS himself. He doesn't want political blow back, aka in political matters he's a bit of a coward. Because if he were to be honest, he knows he'd lose votes, either by not playing to the desires of the base, or otherwise. It'd be the same reason he flip flops as much as he does, being both for and against abortionn, against Obama-care today, but for Romney-care when he was govenor (essentially the same thing), etc. One doesn't change their argument everytime they're addressing a different audience if their actually standing on their own conviction. And this being as slippery as a wet fish, also means he's word isn't really good for much at all.
Romney really does look like the Republican parties own version of Obama in many ways, that would probably through a little "companies are people too" into the mix... Romney vs. Obama, there really isn't much of a choice, so we're back to the John Kerry type answers of "I'd do it better", but when asked, a fair bit of verbeage, that doesn't really answer all that much either....