So I predict that AG Holder will resign either late on a Friday or on the Fourth of July. Slow News days and all. Heck, maybe he can time it with the smackdown of Obamacare, then it will really be hidden.

Best comments I read this morning from last night were from our friend Bev from Chicago who has decided that the family of agent Terry is Racist for demanding answers in the death of their loved one.

Sometimes folks, you just can't make this stuff up.

How classic-

Just watching Dominico on TEEVEE, and it seems that the O campaign spends 110% of what it takes in, whereas Romney only spends 67%.

Well at least O is consistently stupid when it comes to economics.

Clueless.

Oh, and of course Holder's gone.

Plus, all the fun clips of what O said about 'hiding behind executive privoledge' is just hilarious.

Poor dems, everything just a distraction now.

They just got nothing else.

And on the seventh day, when nobody was looking, God created infrastructure. He put in roads and highways, dams, canals, and water treatment plants, a power grid and distribution systems, harbors, railroads, airports, and sewage treatment plants. And He saw that it was good; very good. And he asked of His children, "Who wilt maintain these wondrous gifts I have bestowed on thee?"

And Joe HAHAHA said, "Ask not of me this labor and expense, that I may toil and hoard great amounts of gold, and eat of the flesh of salmon and beef, for though I make many wise investments when my portfolio goes up, I must fight the accursed Democrat who toils to devalue my wealth."

"Yea, and verily, I have read of your tribulations. Have a Sam Adams," said his Creator. "I will ask the poor to pay for your respite."

And damage123 said, "Ask not of me this labor and expense, for I am weary as I wail of the plight of the unborn. Even as I sorrow for them, I must drive into the slums You have created and run their irresponsible parents off the road."

"Yea and verily, I have read of your exploits. I shall ask those who survive your righteous anger, that they pay for the roads upon which you guide your chariot." The Creator chuckled and said, "That was pretty cute having your wife file for unemployment insurance and then not collecting. Makes that guy in the White House look bad. He is not a noble Christian like yourself, you know?"

And Fairfax Bill said, "I am hopelessly mired in irrelevant numbers, and cannot help the elderly and the poor. My raiment is sack cloth from Pakistan, and I cover myself with ashes. I grow tired as I walk the nation in my shoes from offshore lands, gnashing my teeth and sharing the sorrow of the unemployed."

"Yea and verily, truly only a number such as you have described will define the success of that guy in the White House. In thy wisdom, thou knowest the difference between 7.9% and 8% defineth good from evil," said his Maker.

And WCA, no Joe, and JAS said, "We have distributed widely Your greatest gift - quotation marks. As we share the divine word of Rove and Luntz and other great prophets, we have learned that these great marks turn fiction to truth. We labor in your fields, working mightily such that your servants may proclaim, "Blessed are the wealthy, for they are richer than God.'"

"Yea and verily, I have seen your work. Use freely these great marks that turn falsehood to truth. For your great labor, Thou shalt have great rewards, for my Son was only kidding when he said, "Blessed are the poor.....blessed are the meek....blessed are the peacemakers. Take note of those little dots that the evil liberal Dave uses here. This is an ellipsis, and when used properly turns a man's words upon himself. Ask Sean Hannity about his great tool. Rest now," said their Master.

So the great work continues, for we all know the more poor citizens we have, the greater is the prosperity of our nation.

Feisty, on Fast and Furious,

Man, talk about uber-conspiracy theory from the Right.

Like, when did you last NOT go after gun laws has morphed even further into LaLa Land via Faux News and the like into accusations towards the Administration, as in:

'You really, really want to put a crimp on gun laws even if you say you don't. And by conspicuously doing NOT doing, so you have shown that you will do everything in your power to do so .... once you have stopped NOT going after gun laws.'

Good morning Feisty,

So true. The right wingers are Great at playing the FAKE OUTRAGE Game! They could care less about Agent Terry, and more about keeping the hate machine going against President Obama.

I'm voting for Romney in November.

Do NOT question me because I know what full double rainbow means!

Uh Oh, Feisty was forced to recognize that F&F actually happened.

That is a bad sign for the Blue Team.

On the plus side, you folks don't have to talk about what a disaster the economy is for a few days.

Don't worry though, it will be all the rage come September.

“Ruh-roh”

King Barry the First is now using his finely tuned talent for deficit spending in his re-election campaign. In 2008, King Barry made the unprecedented flip-flop of deciding he would not accept public financing of his presidential campaign after having stated previously that he would do so. Why, you ask? Because he discovered he could raise unlimited hundreds of millions in campaign funds in order to buy the 2008 election. With all those hundreds of millions and a snake-oil salesman’s charming BS pitch of “Hope and Change”, King Barry ascended to his throne and immediately began an unending series of trillion dollar federal budget deficits. Finding out he was very good at deficit spending, he is now trying to buy the 2012 election with that same deficit spending talent.

Too bad for King Barry that the American people now have the ability to see something they couldn’t see in 2008: King Barry’s record of “accomplishments”.

As Scooby-Doo says when the sh!t hits the fan, “Ruh-roh”

From Politico:

Obama camp spends more than it raised in May
By: Abby Phillip
June 20, 2012 08:43 PM EDT

President Barack Obama’s campaign and the Obama Victory Fund spent $15 million more than they raised in May, campaign finance reports show.

The campaign and the Obama Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee with the Democratic National Committee, raised more than $54 million last month, but they spent $69 million.

The committees spent $34 million on advertising and the rest on various expenses including payroll, travel, food, and equipment.

Most of the ad budget - $29 million - was spent on traditional television advertising and the costs of making those ads, representing a shift to the general campaign after Mitt Romney cinched the Republican nomination. But the campaign continued to spend big on online advertising, dropping more than $5 million last month.

(Ezra Klein)

"Here's the state of world economic policymaking in two sentences: Those who want to act to boost the economy can't. Those who can act to boost the economy won't.
This works for pretty much any set of institutional actors you might like to name. Take the United States. The Federal Reserve can act — or, at the least, it says it can act — but it doesn't want to.
The president would like to act, but can't do it without Congress.
Democrats in Congress would like to act, but can't do it without Republicans in Congress.
Republicans in Congress can act, but they won't."

Just like the U.S, the answer in Europe is to grow jobs. GOP said No and would not allow it to be debated 3 times, but our President proposed at least a million jobs in the American Jobs Act. Right away, Congress can pass a bill to put thousands of firefighters, police and teachers back to work. And they've had plenty of time to put thousands of construction workers back on the job rebuilding our bridges, roads and runways. The President has proposed more tax breaks for small-businesses to hire more workers and increase their pay.

Watch what GOP does (not) do with the Transportation Bill, that will also create tons of jobs. Over the last 3 years, they relentlessly blocked jobs bills as well as small business bills. The Filibuster party has made no bones about it - they want to make us wait until after the election to improve our job situation. They've waited and waited for the last 3.5 years - ayyy, what's another 6 months or more for someone on a couple of hundred thousand dollar salary?

Something else you did not hear about on Faux News.

Easy Feisty old gal - I just want O to walk his talk, just this once.

So tell me why the most transparent president evah is asserting the privilege.

Let all the documents out. After all you libbies keep telling us it's all Bush's fault.

What could be the problem.

Hey Navy - you know where jobs are going gangbusters?

North Dakota.

Yep, Brown shots.

Get some oil and gas. It's good for you, it's good for the economy.

Over the past week I've seen First Read claim -- falsely -- that Obama's "private sector is doing fine" statement was somehow taken out of context (even though a read of the speech transcript shows MSNBC's claim not to be true). Somehow though they completely ignore Andrea Mitchell's blatant manipulation of video to make Obama's opponent look bad. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2012/06/19/msnbcs-selectively-edited-romney-video-andrea-mitchells-non-apology-il

The journalists at NBC should be embarrassed by this. Wait...what am I talking about? There are no real journalists at NBC News. Andrea Mitchell is a joke as are the rest of the NBC News staff.

Double “Ruh-roh”

When the WaPo calls the Barry campaign “liars” you know the wheels are coming off of King Barry’s 2012 re-election effort.

From MSDNC’s First Read:

The Washington Post’s fact checker Glenn Kessler calls the Obama campaign’s claim that Romney outsourced as governor “overblown” and gives it four Pinocchios. “The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of ‘corporate raider’ to its examples of alleged outsourcing,” Kessler writes. “Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.”

One thing is for certain you are consistent with your terminal case of insincerity Obama Derangement Syndrome!

Really? And where is the left wingers outrage over the death of Terry? Aren't you the ones who cloak yourselves behind the pretense of championing the common man? And why are you not upset at this administrations lack of transparency?

...Information will not be withheld just because I say so; it will be withheld because a separate authority believes my request is well-grounded in the Constitution. Let me say it as simply as I can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency,...

-Barack Obama

Who's really suffering from a terminal case of Obama Derangement Syndrome?

hopelessly mired in irrelevant numbers

So when the facts aren't on your side, the data is irrelevant. Got it.

hopelessly mired in irrelevant numbers

So when the facts aren't on your side, the data is irrelevant. Got it.

JOB1 and Feisty Dumbfux! To open border liberals like you, Agent Terry is/was the enemy. Maybe you ignorant pieces of garbage should work on your own "fake outrage".

What irony from the Brain Damaged one.

CNBC - unemployment up for rest of year.

Man, I am so glad O spent all that time on O care.

Say, what you all doing on Monday morning? Gonna be a fun day here.

WCA -- Apparently Romney doesn't want governor's talking about how the economy is improving. According to WaPo he asked the Florida governor to downplay any improvement. Why is that?

Spanky -- Tell the Republican obstructionists to pass an infrastructure bill and put millions to work. It seems to me if they were so concerned about unemployment they would do something about it.

They could care less about Agent Terry, and more about keeping the hate machine going against President Obama.

You know if these right wing nitwits were hootin & hollering about transparency when "W" & the "Dick' were in office, they might have a shred of integrity!

I said might...;o)

They remind me of a bunch of vampires who have been hosed with holy water...

BTW Feisty, what ever happened to that Issa "Crab Walk" you predicted?

Seems Holder did the walk back with the retraction of his staement this week regarding his comments about the Bush DOJ.

Or did you miss that too?

Bad times in Libbie Land.

Bad times indeed.

Man, WCA - Holder's little issue will dominate the rest of the week.

The SB 1070 ruling may come out today, and of course O care gets the boot on Monday.

THese poor libbies. Spiraling the drain.

Oh and of course the economic numbers just keep rolling in, and down.

Ruken - still in bed actually. Long night. See bro - unlike you I don't have a Joe job.

Thank god.

ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDING ME?

TPM/OBAMA DIARY:

Mitt Romney’s campaign asked Florida Gov. Rick Scott to downplay his state’s job growth after several press releases from the governor’s campaign and messages from the Florida Chamber of Commerce trumpeted gains for the month of May, according to Bloomberg News.

Florida’s unemployment rate dropped from 8.7 percent in April to 8.6 percent in May, though still significantly above the national rate of 8.2 percent.

A Romney adviser reportedly requested that Scott’s office say that Florida’s unemployment rate could improve faster under a Romney presidency….

The development is perhaps one of the clearest examples of the messaging predicament the Romney campaign finds itself in …. when you ask Republican governors how things are going, especially in swing states, the economic picture starts to brighten considerably…

Man I'm so glad (sarcasm) the tea people Koch republicans spent the last two years on abortion legislation and taking away women's rights, instead of focusing on jobs like they promised.

There Spanky goes again hoping for bad news on the economy. It's sad when that's all you've got to hope for spankster.

David, You surely gotta talent, indeed, indeed.

My questions to folks who claim religiosity and claim to be christians, is what did Jesus say?

e.g. If he is your teacher and mentor, and you say he is, and if you are following and believing in the bible for example -- what did he about others, and how we treat them?

Not a cool topic on here I know, but what about the way GOP/Koch treats ordinary people? They are in a position to create some jobs. So DO it, right away!

My goodness spanky, had no idea you were a member of the supreme court, but you must be since you know how they are going to vote on this issue. There are already a really good pieces of the healthcare law in place and guess what? Working/middle class folks seem to like them. They like knowing that their college age child will have health insurance, they like knowing that the greedy insurance companies (they are the folks with the real death panels and have been using them for years) can't deny them coverge over pre-existing conditions, and some of us are only still working due to the health insurance coverage we can buy at work - if that holds up, think how many jobs will be created if we can buy affordable coverage outside our employment and retire before we are 65? I'd say it is a win/win for anyone my age who is ready to retire but has to keep working just for the insurance coverage and it most certainly is a win/win for anyone looking for a job (which tax breaks to the rich have produced very few if any).

Glad to see the liberal media has finally acknowledged that F&F exists. Although it's probably too late to save the credibility of NBC/MSNBC. Glad to see that too.

Ruken- You don't have some more windows to wash or floors to sweep?

Uh, Ruken, it's 6:43 am.

Oh wait, I know you are a real go getter, early bird gets the worm type.

Good for you Ruken.

Me, I don't like to roll into the office until the coffee is made.

Ruken- You don't have some more windows to wash or floors to sweep?

That's actually not in my job description Damage. But by all means continue masturbating to transsexuals.

Good for you Ruken.

Me, I don't like to roll into the office until the coffee is made.

So when is that exactly? When the employment runs out?

So, we can't give the Obama administration credit for executing Bin Laden, and killing other al-Qaida leaders, because Barack did not personally hunt them down, that was done by Navy Seals, but we can hold the administration accountable for an ATF gun walking operation in Arizona, that began during the Bush administration, and noone in the Bush administration will be asked to reveal their emails on it. Got it.

This "David Walker" character is becoming quite fascinating. It's more and more apparent that we are watching someone literally crack up and break down before our very eyes! Have you all noticed his slow descent (made quicker by Wisconsin and all the other bad news for Libs lately) into madness and full-on dumbassery? Seriously David. Nobody even knows WTF you're talking about anymore. This isn't your FIRST breakdown, is it? Did the first happen following the death of Judy Garland?

All HAIL OBAMA, Ruler, Master, and Overlord of all Rightwing Wacko Republicans, and Crazy Teabaggers.

America and Freedom Loving Americans still need FOUR MORE YEARS of PRESIDENT OBAMA, to act as an effective Colon Cleanser, for those Eight (8) horrific and hideous years of George Bush, Blackwater, Haliburton, Dick Cheney, etc.etc.

Vote a straight Democratic ticket, come this November 2012. You'll be Glad you did.

So NEOCONs want to round up and deport 11 million Illegals? How? Who pays for it? We don't have any money, so we either raise taxes or borrow more? Ofcourse we overlook all the commonsense questions so we can pontificate our hate!

So the morbidly obese pundit on MSNBC right now is advocating for free healthcare.

Go figure.

Me, I just wish she'd put the twinkie down.

And Joe HAHAHA said, "Ask not of me this labor and expense, that I may toil and hoard great amounts of gold, and eat of the flesh of salmon and beef, for though I make many wise investments when my portfolio goes up, I must fight the accursed Democrat who toils to devalue my wealth."

_________________________________________________________

David Walker: Jealousy is an ugly emotion thats eats you up from the inside out.

BTW, you are way too impressed with yourself, which only serves to demonstrate you are very easily impressed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amy - you have a valid point.

So how about this - they released the info on the Obama raid, so how about the do the same with the F&F docs.

Fair is fair, right.

Folks,

Quit with the 'tranny-bashing' please. No hate bashing like this please.

Call your congress reps instead, and tell them to put thousands of teachers, police, firefighters and construction-related jobs back on the rolls. Thanks.

...they released the info on the Obama raid, so how about the do the same with the F&F docs.

Because it's okay to release secret information that might compromise national security, but not okay to release information that compromises Obama's re-election campaign.

Liberals have traditionally celebrated so-called "whistleblowers" and people who leak and publicize documents that are damaging to US security. Bradley Manning, Daniel Ellsberg etc... So why the secrecy now from the nations TOP LIBERAL? No one possibly believes he's worried about harming our nation's interests, do they? He's protecting his own ass and the ass of Eric The Dirty And Incompetent.

Job1

The right wingers are Great at playing the FAKE OUTRAGE Game! They could care less about Agent Terry, and more about keeping the hate machine going against President Obama.

The Republicons were so outraged and upset that they forgot to get the testimony of the former Attorney General for G. W. Bush who concocted the gun-walking scheme in the first place.

Americans (including this Democrat) support the enforcement of our immigration laws --- NOT granting rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking. We permit 1 million LEGAL immigrants into this country every year (more than ALL other countries combined). We grant appx. 1.5 million work permits to LEGAL immigrants every year-- this despite a job crises. Now, Obama has granted de facto amnesty to potentially over 1.4 Million (depending on the level of fraud which will haunt this grant) ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS--- THIS WHILE APPROX. 14 MILLION AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE LOOKING FOR GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT!

Americans will see O's actions for what they are--- a despicable act of pandering and a sell out of American citizen and LEGAL immigrant workers. We cannot afford NOT to enforce our laws, as ILLEGALS (largely poor and uneducated) consume FAR MORE in taxpayer funded services than they ever pay in taxes (and consume more than they would pay in taxes IF they actually paid the proper amounts). Over 22% of all CalWorks recipients in LA County go to ILLEGAL immigrant parents--- WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS! Americans are entitled to have their government protect them--- not grant rewards and special treatment to the immigration lawbreakers!

A COUNTRY WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE! Obama (and I was a big supporter in '08) will meet defeat in November 2012 for his DESPICABLE and insulting sell out of American citizens and LEGAL immigrants!

Well, well, well.....

Once again Feisty gets the first post in, at 9:12 EDT, followed quickly by the loyal opposition.

The two minute hate started early today......

As long as I have to do physical training in the morning, I don't think I can ever compete for first post. :-(

I never remember Bush running on the promise of transparency, but Obama did. So when you always try and give Obama a pass because of what Bush did or did not do, you could not be more disingenuous. Your standard for Obama is solely based upon what you believe was the standard for Bush. A standard I might add that Obama continually criticized as a member of the senate, and yet now uses as the basis for his own actions. Obama and his supporters simply do not wear big boy pants. History is going to treat Obama very harshly for failing, they will not be blaming Bush, and it will be well deserved.

Fool's Gold - that is a good point.

Amy - it was your original point, so do you care to respond?

And dammit - I never, ever contribute to politicians, but I'm watching Debbie WS on MSNBC and her hair is just absurd.

I'll go all nomoresameo and kick down $50 if it'll go to a decent perm.

Or is that a fro' she's rocking?

No, no Feisty - I am sure you are pretty on the inside.

David -- Pure gold! You make a point in a most humorous way.

Pat -- Thanks for posting on what the Romney campaign is up to. Wouldn't that be akin to lying? Ha.

I am sure you are pretty on the inside.

Clearly that's jealousy.

Dang. My "magic" mouse just trashed my whole comment, which was vibrant and pithy and loaded with scintillating wit and brilliant insight about jealousy and pots calling kettles black and anything.

But you'll just have to take my word for it.

Just like we have always to take Spanky's word for it.

Because we ain't seen nothing yet.

Later, my friends. Have a great day.

Oh, and Joe -- be careful that you don't make yourself laugh so hard that you fall off that pot.

Amy you don't have it. The president does get credit for making the call in going after terrorists. Fast & Furious did not begin during the previous administration. That lie has been retracted by the AG himself. If it is this administration's operation surely it has to be held accountable -- even you can see that. The issue is there is an appearance of "untruthfulness" from the AG during his questioning before Congress.

If you remember back in 2005, then Senator Obama said that the AG is not the employee of the president. He is an employee of the American public and the U.S. Constitution. Therefore exercising executive privilege at this juncture is a move that even makes staunch democrats (except for the few on here that would agree with the president if he said the sky was purple and the earth flat) blink with amazement. Executive privilege is intended to be used when it comes to only certain issues within the White House itself, not other agencies. This leads to the appearance of a massive cover-up.

Look it up.

Well I knew Feisty had you on ignore Spanky.

That's not Feisty, check out the Rose11e.

No way would Red reply to you w/o something disgusting.

In just 5 minutes last night on the Rachel Maddow show, it took her about 5 min to debunk this whole deal with this contempt charge to the attorney general. This is all a made up scandal by the right to say that the ATF is out to take your guns away because the DOJ is not actively pursuing legislation on gun control. you heard right, the DOJ is NOT going after your guns so you should be scared that they are going after your guns is pretty much what the head of the NRA is telling its members. That is THE master plan, to take your gun rights after the 2012 elections. Fox never mentions that this was a program started by Bush. and yes Obama did continue but the DOJ had dissolved this program by the time the agent got killed. And by the way, the bullets that killed the agent was never confirmed to come from those weapons. but the weapons were found at the scene. This will not cost Obama any votes and even if i am wrong about everything i just said so why is the right pursuing this in such away when they have so much they could be doing like investigating Wall St... and, Where are the jobs tea baggers?

One has to ponder if the Obama-bashers have one single brain cell - ok, I'll concede, they must have two, and they are both used to keep their bodies breathing, eating, and disposing of the waste they produce. CNN writes that the Fast and Furious bruhaha is all over one single frigging memo.

Issa's committee is seeking documents that show why the Justice Department decided to withdraw as inaccurate a February 2011 letter sent to Congress that said top officials had only recently learned about Fast and Furious.

Holder said he offered to turn over some of the documents sought by Issa when they met Tuesday in a final effort to resolve the dispute before Wednesday's hearing. Issa, however, said Holder put unreasonable conditions on his offer.

Cole noted that the lone point of dispute was whether the February 4, 2011, letter was part of a broader effort to obstruct a congressional investigation. "The answer to that question is an emphatic 'no,' and we have offered the committee the opportunity to satisfy itself that that is so," Cole wrote. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/politics/holder-contempt/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Now never mind folks, that all other requests from the Witch Hunt Issa committee have been met. It boils down to one friggin' memo. And suddenly, it turns into an explosive right-wing engineered massive cover-up where the Obama administration is against transparency and is attempting repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Asking the right-wing to be rational is apparently like forcing a square peg into a round hole. It just isn't going to happen. Rather, they make a fast and furious metamorphic change into rabid hyenas.

“Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign asked Florida Governor Rick Scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the state’s economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominee’s message that the nation is suffering under President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Mitt shouldn't be too hard on poor Rick Scott. Scott has done his part to try slowing the economic recovery when he rejected federal funds for high-speed rail lines in Florida that would have created 76,000 jobs. Maybe he could fire a few thousand teachers to help out his pal Willard.

@ David --

I neglected to say, that's about as good as it gets. And I know this from the reaction.

The best satire cuts right to the bone. Some folks are bleeding heavily this morning.

Thank heaven you're on my side.

*Salute*

I'm with you, Feisty. All the way.

Or I would be, if you were the real Feisty.

Those "ones" just don't do it for me, Sweetheart.

Hey Houston, when you quote something it needs to be attributed.

I can understand why you did not cite it though.

The citation causes it to lose all credibility.

"The Obama Diary". Really?

AngelicaS - Good point, but again, how? The scale is so large there is no practical way to reel in so many illegals. I think its worth noting that a lot of the Political Rhetoric is always pointed at the Illegal and not at Companies hiring them. To kill a snake you cut off its head, but its no different then drug wars. We spend billions chasing crack dealers on the street just so some other guy can take his place a week later. Enforce laws with teeth, close their business and put them in jail. Watch how fast this dries up. No jobs, no illegals.

I can understand why you did not cite it though.

The citation causes it to lose all credibility.

As opposed to your massive credibility. You found the nerve to go outside yet?

Oh Man the Unions just took another hit.

7-2 that they can't increase fees without notice.

Overturning the 9th Circuit Court. Does anything that court ever pass remain law?

Man Libbie land is really hurting.

Plus it looks like we can look forward to all kinds of swearing and the like on Prime Time TeeVee.

Good thing for the Libs, cuz, they are really going to feel like swearing for the next few months.

Or I would be, if you were the real Feisty.

What is it they same about imitation Anna Molly...

You know things are falling apart for Team Red when they are back to this kind of nonsense! lol

LosMan123 "Fox never mentions that this was a program started by Bush" ? I don't think you watch Fox mews.......besides the issue is that he is help contempt and Obama new enough to where he is covering it up...Obama is toast!

And Remember;

Republicans Rule

And Dem's drool

What is it they same about imitation Anna Molly...

Flattery, indeed, Feisty.

I'm sure they could do better, if only they tried ... and were a lot smarter than they are.

LoL I'll be the next one up, probably.

Wait for it.

You know things are falling apart for Team Red when they are back to this kind of nonsense! lol

They just need a diversion from copying and pasting the same bullsh*t posts over and over.

Plus, we see their obsession with women (see BCA and Probe-Boy in particular) my guess is that they are a little (probably in more ways than one) askew from not getting their dicks wet.

...that this was a program started by Bush.

LosMan

You should read Ben's post above. Also, Wide Receiver was a vastly different program in that it was conducted in conjunction with the Mexican government and the weapons were actually surveilled by ATF agents. Still, some of the weapons "walked" which is why the Bush administration scrapped it.

In the case of Fast and Furious no surveillance was allowed. There were times when the ATF agents were told to stand down as they watched the guns being loaded into trucks and hauled away. Another time, one of the supposed targets of the sting operation was captured on this side of the border with a trunkload of guns and then summarily released. Because of the incoherent way in which the operation was conducted, questions remain as to it's true objective.

White Collar Auto

Hey Houston, when you quote something it needs to be attributed.

That quote about Mittens trying to get the governor of Florida to bad-mouth the economy was from the First Read article quoting a Bloomberg article. But of course, you knew that. You've just got your knickers in a twist over the fact that Willard has been exposed once again as an unscrupulous political hack.

Feisty, about Republicans not caring about loss of lives. You are still gross! That is immature and you are clueless.

If we did not fight wars to appease the liberals, we would lose a tiny fraction of American lives than we do. I support the left voting not to go to war, I don't accept we were lied to. But once there, leave it up to the military to kill our enemies and not try and befriend them and have terrible ROE.

Most active and past military personnel are Republicans for this reason.

From Pat's Post at 1.27:

TPM/OBAMA DIARY:

Mitt Romney’s campaign asked Florida Gov. Rick Scott to downplay his state’s job growth after several press releases from the governor’s campaign and messages from the Florida Chamber of Commerce trumpeted gains for the month of May, according to Bloomberg News.

But of course, you knew that.

Of course he did.

Night or weekend that f*cker would be there to stain it with some uneducated comment.

Most active and past military personnel are Republicans for this reason.

No, they're mostly Republican because the armed forces these days consists of rednecks looking for legal ways to murder.

White Collar Auto

From Pat's Post at 1.27:

TPM/OBAMA DIARY:

Something that was from a Bloomberg News article. GET A CLUE!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2012-06-21/romney-campaign-said-to-ask-scott-to-downplay-job-gains.html

I see that the usual GOP detractors are here in force again today. They talk as if they have something to celebrate. The spankster like a typical republican has nothing good to say about the GOP or what they can do for the country. Instead they want to stand on the sidelines and tell everybody how bad things are. Of course things aren't where they need to be and there are many reasons. First of all, the GOP has been determined since the day after the 2008 elections to make the president a one term president. In so doing they have tried everything in their power to hurt every American except the top 1%ers. They have done that by refusing to pass jobs bills or raise taxes even by the slightest of margins to boost the economy.

The GOP stands on the sidelines and screams that the President can't control gas prices and it's his fault that the prices skyrocketed. Now that prices have gone down to an almost reasonable and stable point the detractors/obstructionist in the GOP scream that the President had nothing to do with it, it is just something that naturally happened because of a bad economy.

The GOP and their loyal minions say that our economy is bad. Look around people. Europe is in bad shape. When they don't have money to purchase our goods, we can't export to them. Someone has to buy your goods or you don't make money or less than expected. This is simple economics people. No matter how a person looks at it, everyone on this planet is connected through the goods/services they produce, import and export. The entire free world world is feeling the pain of a slow economy but the GOP want to blame everything on Obama while trying to make us believe that Romney has all the answers. Rubbish!

The GOP mantra right now is that we have a bad economy. Well guess what the GOP caused it! They ran us into the ground for 8 years before Obama and have obstructed the things that could have helped us with Obama in charge.

The recent polling nummbers prove that people are no longer believing anything these snake oil salespeople are selling. But it's even worse than that. The GOP and Romney are so clueless that all they do is refuse to answer simple straight forward questions about how they help the economy. They refuse to answer questions about immigration issues. Of course they would. They can't say what they feel or no one other than white males would vote for them. The GOP is being seen for what they are. They are against equality for women, the gay community, workers rights, unions, alternative fuels, affordable health care, retirement benefits for the average person, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and a host of programs for unemployed persons. But that is logical in that they don't care about the average man. They will continue to help the most elite of society while telling the rest us that we need to work longer with less pay and have no say about working conditions or benefits.

lvingbarefoot, I followed your post up until the part where you said, "But once there, leave". That's where you should have ended it, as obviously Iraq is not a shining light of peace and tranquility, nor will Afghanistan be after we are gone.

Kinda reminded me of Reagan sending US troops to Lebanon, the marine barracks blowing up, and Reagan having a WTF? moment and deciding rather than stay, it was better to leave.

I think today the GOP would criticise him for "cutting and running".

Sometimes a President has to look the cold hard facts in the face and make a decision that the cost is not worth the possible outcome. Lebanon wasn't, and did anyone really believe we could create a stable democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Also, you called it a witch hunt. Which means the R's would not find anything wrong.

How could that be? Obama would never stop the R's from making fools of themselves, but he would stop them from damaging him.

How could that be? Obama would never stop the R's from making fools of themselves, but he would stop them from damaging him.

What if releasing said documents would compromise the identities of undercover agents in the field?

I know the Republicans wouldn't mind sacrificing a few agents to satisfy their political bloodlust.

To Fake Feisty Redhead imitator - seriously, did you really think people wouldn't notice the two number 1's in "Roselle" instead of the two letter l's? Do you think you're really, really smart for stealing her avatar AND her biographical info too? Did you forget to cover the part where anyone who clicks on "your" name can tell you've only been a member since this month?

Are you really that desperate that "If you can't beat 'em, cheat 'em" is all you guys have left?

My 10-year-old nephew could do a better job than you just did. Except he knows better than to even try.

Sharkey, ?

We accomplished the mission in Iraq, to nail Saddam, and we accomplished the mission in Afghanistan, to prevent Bin Laden from setting up bases under the Taliban's protection.

Never was it stated that we were going to stay and create a stable working democracy.

Our job is to seek and destroy Bin Laden and his cronies, not giving them the time or the space to breathe.

Where did we lose sight of the fact that we need to go where they are, instead of staying where they are not?

This war is not about territory, it is about eliminating an enemy that constantly shifts to another location when pressure is applied. We should be applying pressure against that enemy, not getting sidetracked with other factions/objectives.

Killing Bin Ladon was a good operation, we went where he was, eliminated him, with minimal damage to the locals, and without overthrowing a government and staying. That's what we need to do.

It's called "redacted."

The spankster like a typical republican has nothing good to say about the GOP or what they can do for the country.

You are being too kind to Spanky - all he does is string words together and occasionally he is lucky enough to order them into a coherent negative thought. I have noticed that on a few rare occasions, he manages to convey a positive thought .. such as when he blathers on and on about how well he treats his woman by wining and dining her once a week at the local Outback. Of course he doesn't tell us that their date is 'dutch'.

Does this cause pause for any one on here???? Will you continue to use the lies even though they have been proven lies by the WP??? Are you that dishonest????

The Washington Post’s fact checker Glenn Kessler calls the Obama campaign’s claim that Romney outsourced as governor “overblown” and gives it four Pinocchios. “The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of ‘corporate raider’ to its examples of alleged outsourcing,” Kessler writes. “Simply repeating the same debunked claims won’t make them any more correct.”

Alwayzright,

so its a new issue now. i thought this has to do with an agent losing his life? if its now about that, what are we doing here?

Bitterwalk

I believe i herd those same things. and hasnt any president had things like this blow up in their face? when its all set and done and agent lost his life tragically and his family should be taken care of, end of story. Once the president invokes his right to executive privileges.. this matter should have been put to rest.. but no, it will not. Holder is going to be held in contempt by congress and placed in that jail sell in congress.

But to all you who what to pursue this further.. do you think this will increase or decrease the approval rating by congress? also, how many jobs with this create?

Feisty said: "One thing is for certain you are consistent with your terminal case of insincerity Obama Derangement Syndrome!"

Well the pendulum swings both ways. You are consistent with your terminal case of Obama Worship Syndrome!

You are consistent with your terminal case of Obama Worship Syndrome!

My, aren't you a clever one! lol

I bet your kids are real proud of the cerebral Mama!

Who did you have to call to help you think that one up?

Come one, you can tell us...

Your secret will be safe with us!

Those of you who complain about MSNBC editing Romney to serve a narrative need to look at your all mighty bible called fox. John Stewart caught Hannaty doing the same thing when they played a clip of the president "contradicting" himself on the executive powers regarding immigration. Hannaty conveniently stopped the clip when the president went on to say that even though he cant change the laws, he does in fact have prosecutorial discretion. And that is only one example of how fox is "fair and balanced" lol

Ben -- Does this cause you to pause?

In essence, Romney has taken a debatable assertion — that government “consumes” 37 percent of the economy — and then hyped it with a nonsensical non sequitur — that the health-care law extends the “reach” of government to 50 percent of the economy.

Clearly, the Romney campaign does not want to abandon this claim, despite the poor reviews it has received from various experts. But it makes little sense and is frankly a bit foolish — especially for a candidate whose signature legislative achievement as Massachusetts governor was to enact a health-care law that at the state level included insurance exchanges, Medicaid expansion, an individual mandate and other provisions that he now claims extend the “reach” of government.

Romney should drop this line from his speeches. No amount of tweaking will get it right.

Four Pinocchios

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-nonsensical-claim-about-obamacare/2012/06/11/gJQAdGtdVV_blog.html#pagebreak

"after Obama's announcement late last week that his administration wouldn't deport young illegal immigrants who have graduated from high school, are serving in the U.S. military, and have no criminal record."

I don't know of ANY President in modern times that targeted these young people - in fact, those that serve in the military for 3 years are automatically eligible to file for citizenship - which is virtually always granted.

That's hardly anything new - it just got a lot of press because Obama said it.

Fast and Furious..blah, blah, blah...Eric Holder...blah, blah, blah...cover-up, shmover-up. The majority of the electorate could give two hoots in a handbag about this inside baseball attempt to start a witch hunt. The fact is the Teapublican brand is getting killed by their four years of blatant obstructionism. Wait until the convention in Tampa Bay, Ron Paul supporters have already promised a "revolution". That should be fun to watch. Wait until the debates (if Rombot agrees to have any), the President will mop up the floor with that smug, eel-like visage of Rombot's. Finally, wait until November 6, when it's four more years of President Obama.

How can I make these bold predictions? It's easy, because...

Rombot.Has.Nothing.

Does this cause pause for any one on here????

Only if you will agree that these cause pause for concern.

Note to GOP speechwriters and campaign ad makers: The apology tour never happened. Four Pinocchios http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html

Perry and Romney have ripped Obama’s remarks completely out of context, similar to Romney’sridiculous Four-Pinocchio claim that Obama “apologized” for America overseas. In both cases, the candidates are trying to feed into a subterranean narrative that Obama is not quite American, or certainly not proud to be an American. But, frankly, it’s just lazy politicking on their part. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-call-americans-lazy-and-soft/2011/11/18/gIQAO5hMZN_blog.html

Romney’s remarks make little sense. Not only is his claim of creating 100,000 jobs at Bain untenable, but also his assertion that 100,000 jobs have been lost in the auto industry “on the president’s watch” does not add up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-claim-that-100000-auto-jobs-have-been-lost-under-obama/2012/05/17/gIQA9wYMXU_blog.html?hpid=z1

Kevinoffsite: (#1.66). Good points as well. I agree with you that the law is required to be enforced against all who broke it including as against the lawbreaking business profiteers. When the lawbreaking businesses hire cheap ILLEGAL labor and pay the workers no benefits and poverty level wages, they engage in a form of corporate welfare because American taxpaying citizens are then forced to pay the healthcare and other welfare costs of the profiteers ILLEGAL workforce. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is catastrophically expensive in terms of the social welfare costs, the lost jobs for Americans and LEGAL immigrants, the lower wages, the lower tax revenues--- WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS LAWBREAKING SCHEME. Deporting the ILLEGAL would be FAR LESS expensive than continuing to keep them here and subsidizing them to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars EVERY YEAR!

If the Government would enforce the law against ALL WHO BROKE IT over time the message would be reinforced that NO ONE would be rewarded for breaking the law (unlike now). ILLEGALS would be deported and companies would be criminally punished and required to pay substantial civil fines. Attrition would result and there would be less need for actual enforcement. As for now, we have a system where the lawbreakers are rewarded. That cannot continue!

Rewarding the lawbreaking will only serve to further incentivize it and will ensure that there will be MILLIONS MORE immigration lawbreakings seeking to be above the rule of law (as demonstrated by Reagan's 1986 amnesty, which assured that over 10 million ILLEGALS would come to the U.S. expecting NOT to have the law enforced against them)!

THE PROBLEM IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS, BUT RATHER, WITH THE FAILURE TO ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS (as agianst ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS and the LAWBREAKING BUSINESS PROFITEERS)!

In fairness WaPo is now reporting the Romney campaign is denying they told the Florida governor to downplay any improvement.

Shouldn't Obama get credit for the unemployment going down in Florida? After all he gets blamed if it goes up.

Rasmussen, the most accurate pollster in the 2004 and 2008 Presidential elections (less than 1% error) shows Romney with 47% of the vote from Likely Voters, vs only 43% for Obama.

Romney is starting to pull away from Obama - much like Reagan pulled away from Carter in 1980.

Pollsters that use 'Registered Voters' are almost always wrong because Republican voters are more likely to vote - for example, Registered Voters showed Kerry with a 2% lead just before the 2004 election, while Likely Voters favored Bush by 2% - the final tally was a 2.5% win by Bush.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Regarding the right wingers frenzy over Operation Fast & Furious, in NO way am I trying to diminish
the death of Agent Terry.

But I do have to ask the question, when the hell did you war mongers become so concerned over the
loss of ONE life?

The Republicans don't care at all about the many people killed by the guns pouring over the border from the U.S. Houston is one of the primary center for the illegal gun trade to Mexico. "Fast and Furious" was a poorly-planned effort to address that problem. We have lax gun laws and the goofy "War on Drugs" to thank for keeping the drug lords wealthy and well-armed. The guns and money flow south and the drugs flow north.

(Ruken) "No, they're mostly Republican because the armed forces these days consists of rednecks looking for legal ways to murder"

Ruken, That has to be one of the most reprehensible comments (about the people who put their lives on the line to protect you) I have seen on the NV in years. Absolutely disgusting.

Damaged- Obama has a tremendous amount of respect for Bush. Without Bush and his policies, Obama would never have been elected in a landslide, and would have a much smaller chance of being reelected. Obama probably thanks God every day for Bush. Without Bush setting the bar so low, Obama would have gone down as a divisive ineffective president.

Ruken - Your broad stroke attack on soldiers was way over the line. You are better than that? We can all disagree with out the hate or the demonization.

If you can't live without the hate, try sports hate. You still get the release. Hate the NY Yankees, hate the Dallas Cowboys, and most importantly hate the Miami Heat.

Ruken, That has to be one of the most reprehensible comments (about the people who put their lives on the line to protect you) I have seen on the NV in years. Absolutely disgusting.

Protect me from what, exactly?

Those hundreds of thousands of Afghani and Iraqi civilians posed a threat?

Oh and I was a little late in adding this edit:

But you know what I find disgusting? Our troops urinating on corpses. Our troops gunning down surrendering Iraqi soldiers. Our troops cheering as air strikes blow people away.

That is what is disgusting.

AngelicaS - you NEVER voted for Obama and never planned to in November. If you had you would know more about topics you try to talk about. Illegal immigrants have been deported in the largest numbers under President Obama than ANY President. He finally decided it was unfair to punish children who came here when they were young or were born here. So, they now have a path to citizenship. And, when they work they will pay taxes - which of course helps the economy.

We already have illegals who are serving in our military and many have died for a country they can't claim as their own.

Maybe before you show your ignorance, you should actually know something. I know to you that sounds novel - but it's a good start.

Obama/Biden 2012

And prior to leaving the Presidency, watch for Obama to grant an Executive Pardon to little Eric.

A pardon for what? For calling Mr. Grand Theft Auto Issa an idiot?

"Best comments I read this morning from last night were from our friend Bev from Chicago who has decided that the family of agent Terry is Racist for demanding answers in the death of their loved one."

I thought you had to be a racist if you questioned Obama and Holder. They are both black aren't they?

Thanks FR libs for your morning comedy routine. You all must have quite a headache from trying to outdo one another.

I did so like backhouse attributing (once again) that the right is not interested in job creation and that more school teachers and protective service workers need to be put on the government payrolls.

Perhaps I should send him the classified jobs section from the des moines sunday register listing all the current openings in education as well as for protective services. I am sure that the iowa workforce web site has even more postings. Somehow I doubt that iowa is the only one looking, but obama and company wants to fund hiring even more?

Why is it that FR libs and obama are only interested in the public sector? If jobs aren't allowed in the private sector how can the government pay for more public sector jobs? Crank up the printing press?

Poor backhouse, he must have forgotten to ask senator reid why he has tabled all those house passed bills without discussion? I mean, come on backhouse is all you got is what someone else said? POTUS did this , the senate did that and the republican house did nothing?

Infrastructure jobs are always a possibility, so why can't the left come up with a viable plan for funding them other than just saying the wealthy can pay for them? Shouldn't everyone have skin in that game?

At least here in iowa we only have two seasons, winter and road construction.

BTW - As obama found out, there are no shovel ready infrastructure jobs, unless of course you want to ignore the EPA, tree huggers and local communities.

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Oh and david walker while your post was humourous, bill of fairfax post on "cluelessness" showed much better creativity and truth than yours.

Yeah why should anyone care, what's one more death compared to the 1,350,500 aborted every year?? It's only one death to one family, that's all. It should of been you and make YOUR family feel good.

What seems to be forgotten in the mental masturbation being conducted by the right over this president's use of executive privilege is the fact that AG Holder has offered to supply Issa the docs he wants but only if the content of those docs were to remain private. This country has accumulated mountains of info that the public should never see for security reasons. All administrations have put huge resources out to protect such info.

Good day American 205,

I don't believe that Republicans are not concerned in job creation and want the economy to tank. I just think they think differently and believe different policy will create jobs. Its a simple question but how will continued tax cuts, at the higher end, incentivize more job growth? It hasn't been a shining success these last ten years has it. I believe you agree with me that the Bush/Obama tax cuts all of them must go - contrary to what Romney believes. How will reckless spending cuts improve the economy? While I agree we have to deal with the deficit and debt, perhaps we need to also ensure that more revenue is added.

I think Obama is rightfully pointing out that unlike earlier recessions and recoveries the public sector is taking the full brunt of it. There is job growth in the private sector, not the best, but it is undeniable that there has been 27 some straight months of job growth despite public sector job shredding. As far as an infrastructure plan, why can't we go forward with a jobs bank approach? To fund, use private public partnerships. Have the road or bridge be built with private monies, giving workers a job, and then have the private entity get the contract to maintain it after construction.

Sigh. The Gwaddamn bullsh^t of it all! Fast and furious! In reality, a really stupid enterprise, born of the Bush administration by the ATF. Rightly, ATF wished to add additional paperwork to those making multiple buys of long semi automatic guns, above 22 calibre, using some new tool called "demand letter 23". This pissed those particular CRAZY gun owners off, and the NRA took full advantage, along with the likes of "Fox News" and "CBS". Apparently AG, Holders ATF was only half assed trying to end the enterprise, least that's what CBS and Fox claim. Then comes the "Criminal" Congressman, Issa with the intent of popping a dollop of facts from these sources onto a usual pile of republican bullsh^t, then peddling it as some massive administration conspiracy to disarm the citizenry. To His shame too, the son-of-a-bitch incorporated the death of an American border guard into his diatribe because 2 of the ATF walking guns were found near where the guard was killed. To date no one has claimed either gun was responsible for killing the guard. This should have, and could have been looked into by the Congress, absent the accusations against the adnimistration, and the imaginings of the gun crazies managed by the criminal Issa, but NOOOOOO!, its an election year! It's republicans! They must do what they do best with the highest substance they possess. Stir and strew the bullsh^t, for as long, and as far as they can. I strongly suspect the republicans will end up with more of their stock and trade pasted to them, than scattered about among the electorate.

I'm wondering if Latino Americans are satisfied with the President completely ignoring Comprehensive Immigration Reform during the first two years of his Administration, when he had complete control of both Houses of Congress, only to use a dubious tactic in an attempt to woo Latino voters just before the election. It looks pretty obvious to me that you're getting played.

Well, look at it this way, if Romney is elected President the same thing that happened to Obama can, and probably will, happen again once the shoe is on the other foot.

And if Obama is re-elected we can look foreward to 4 more years of Coingressional siesta.

In short, the country can continue indefinately without any sort of governance until Coingress grows up and decides to become responsible citizens.

I had to laugh about Coingress holding Holder in contempt, as about 80% of the American people hold nothing but contempt for Coingress.

Feisty @ 1.92: "My, aren't you a clever one! lol

I bet your kids are real proud of the cerebral Mama!

Who did you have to call to help you think that one up?

Come one, you can tell us...

Your secret will be safe with us!"

Well, lol, I called the White House, lol, and asked, lol, who's head was up Barry's "where the sun does not shine" the furthest and they said Feisty Redhead with the brown nose. They said the were thinking of installing a plexiglass window in his abdominal area so you could see where he was going.

If you really don't realize how incredibly partisan you are, you are definitely anti-cerebral. So, lol, thank you for your backhanded compliment. BTW, you might want to ease off on the "lol,s", the BOLD TYPE, and being on MSLSD 365/24/7! Please get life.

So Ruken, you condemn the entire US military because of a few bad apples? Why not just condemn all Americans then, since those soldiers were American soldiers. Anyone with an ounce of common sense understands that the actions of those particular soldiers was not the intent of the US military. If you think it does, then the blame goes all the way up to the commander and chief.

Your "protect me from what?" comment just shows how little you understand about the dangers in the world that are kept at bay due to the fact that we possess the finest military in the world. Just look at what having a weak leader has brought us at the G20 summit. Russia is thumbing their noses at us in regards to Syria and Iran. It would be even worse if not for the fact that we may soon have a more competent president in charge of that military.

BTW, there are plenty of Afgani people that want nothing more than to have your severed head on a stick. You may have heard of them...they call themselves the Taliban? I believe the president called fighting them the "war of necessity."

I would be stupid for Romney to compete with Obama, selling a cheaper permit for work or path to citizenshipto illegal immigrants for a few votes. The best thing fo Romney is stick in our current laws, close the border first, send DOJ and sue all sanctuary cities for provide asylum to illegals steping over the Law, start deporting all the illegas that have any record of breakind the law, continue with the ones that have no jobs , then with theones that receive help from the government and leave here with work permit only the ones that have a job and pay their taxes. No path to citizenship for illegal immigrants . The most difficult but possible is to eliminate anchor babies, with an admendment to the Constitution. Obama will get more votes from suporters of illegal immigation, but Romney will get more votes from the American Citizens that is matter the most.

Yellowdog-Mark D

I don't believe that Republicans are not concerned in job creation and want the economy to tank.

I'm not so sure about that. Not long after Obama's election, one Republican in Congress said that the Republicans were going to act like the "Taliban." While no Republicans have donned suicide vests, I think his meaning was clear. Then, of course, Mitch McConnell made his infamous comment about his number one priority being the defeat of Obama and his bragging about taking a valuable "hostage" when the Republicans nearly drove the U.S. into default and caused the downgrade of the nation's credit rating. But those weren't members of the Mad Hatter's Tea Party who've taken over Congress. I'll grant you it's hard to discern their motives. They're so insane you can't tell whether their destructiveness is deliberate or simply the result of blind adherence to a rigid ideology.

America is fading fast under the OBAMA misadministration. has anyone noticed how fast our constitutional laws have been broken by him these last few days? scarey isn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@MacF - Nice recap on Fast and Furious. You probably know more about it than all the right wing posters put together. For those that need to read up on the issue, here too is a recap in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

scarey isn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only to the crowd that looks for commies under their bed before retiring for the night. The rest of us haven't seen any constitutional laws broken (I notice you couldn't name a one).

Mac Forrester

To date no one has claimed either gun was responsible for killing the guard.

Unfortunately, that's not really true. Every single Republican I've seen on the Tee Vee expressing outrage over Fast & Furious has asserted as a matter of fact that one of the guns the ATF knew about had killed the boarder patrol agent. The Republicon theory is that if they repeat a lie often enough and the media lets them get away with it, it magically becomes true. It seems their theory is working pretty well.

@RedDevPS: I know I generally cuss a lot on here and my posts are mostly here and there. Sometimes I'm mistaken and I sure don't know much. Having said all that, how do informed, intelligent, lucid people such as yourself, and most of the other wonderful progressives here keep enough energy to argue with the likes of those mental dwarfs such as Spanky, White Collar Auto, and this mental cream puff you just responded to? At once it is obvious they haven't the cognition of an emaciated rat hiring out to Orkin. I can't do it much. Tires the hell outta me. Thank you and my best to you.

@ Houston#1.125: The Gun that actually killed the guard has been traced back to a gun shop in, I think Phoenix. According to CBS neither of the two "walking guns" were used to Kill Him. When I said no one had said either of the guns found at the scene were the killing weapons I meant, no one of an official standing has said that. I think It was a gun the ATF knew about, or that gun was sold at a shop the ATF was familiar with but not one of the two found. Regards

To all: Now, I have been informed, certain agents assigned to that area then, are being pressured to say that one of the guns found was, or at least, likely was, used to kill this border guard. Hasn't happened yet though.

Additionally, the purpose of "fast and furious" was to document who was making multiple long gun buys of the type I described above. The Clinton administration had attempted this back in 99 or 2000 with demand letter 1. Bush administration pushed and expanded it in either 06 or 07 with demand letter 2. Both had failed, but had handed off the operation to each ensueing administration, with the Obama administration trying for demand letter 3, probably in 2010. ATF beleved the multiple gun buys were being made by unscrupulous Americans who were then reselling them to the Mexican drug cartels. Various American sport shooting clubs found out about the possibly increased documentation burden and eventually went to both their elected representatives and the NRA complaining that Obama was using all this as a guise to either take their guns away from them or to make it much harder for them to own as many guns as they wished. It is believed the same bunch who complained about the Obama administration knew also about the Bush Administration program, but said nothing. I have no knowledge of any such behavior either pro or con during the Clinton time.

Under Obama we have endured a unemployment rate ABOVE 8% for over 40 straight months!

This is after Obama PROMISED if only we would pass that bloated Stimulus package we would NEVER have unemployment over 8%.

HE LIED. How does this benefit any Latino? Hmm? HOW? Explain.

To all: Now, I have been informed, certain agents assigned to that area then, are being pressured to say that one of the guns found was, or at least, likely was, used to kill this border guard. Hasn't happened yet though.

Nice try. The program that run Bush end with the capture of gun smugglers. The program that run Obama and Holder, similar in fact is a new program Fast and Furious that start in 2009 , in one attempt to put more restrictions to the 2nd Amendment. Holder lost the track of more than 1200 guns , Mexico claim that more that 200 hundred people died with those guns and here one Border Agent die. There is no doubt that for the left is more important to cover up the responsible of this crime than the life of a Border Agent.

1. Listen you LYING "SEEKING LACK-OF SANITY (#1.107). How in the H#LL would you know who I voted for your gd liar! I HAVE NEVER voted for anyone BUT a Democrat--- EVER. As I stated, I DO NOT plan to vote for Obama in Novembe 2012 because has sold out American workers and LEGAL immigrants with his rewards for immigration lawbreaking program. Like millions of other Democrats (many who have posted here if you've been reading), I am disappointed in Obama, and I will NOT DO in 2012 what I did in 2008---- JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHE DEMOCRATS--- IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE NEWS!

2. If you were describing my position accurately, I do not (and DID NOT) dispute that Obama deported numerous ILLEGALS (reportedly more per year than Bush), but my issue is that he has pledged rewards for lawbreaking and that he hsas done so unilaterally and sans Congressional approval, thus harming American citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

3. If you actually knew anyything--- AND CLEARLY YOU DON'T--- you would know that Obama's de facto amnesty is for a work permit, and DOES NOT INVOLVE A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP--- it involves a pledge not to deport and the promise of a work permit renewable in 2 years!

4. If you actually knew anything --- AND CLEARLY YOU DO NOT--- you would know that ILLEGALS (largely low wage, uneducdated workers) consume FAR MORE IN SOCIAL WELFARE AND TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED SERVICES THAN THEY PAY IN TAXES--- so NO--- KEEPING THEM HERE IS NOT AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT (Please note: that we permit 1 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS HERE EVERY YEAR).

5. If you actually knew anything--- AND CLEARLY YOU DO NOT--- you would know that African American teen unemploymnt is over 40% --- so while you feel it is appropriate to grant work permits to potentially over a million ILLEGALS, YOU ARE SCREWING THE POOREST AMERICANS (including minorities).

6. If you actually knew anything --- AND CLEARLY YOU DO NOT--- you would know that Obama did not do anything for children who were born here (as you falsely state) BECAUSE THOSE CHILDREN ARE ALREADY AMERICAN CITIZENS AND CANNOT BE DEPORTED.

7. If you actually knw anything --- AND CLEARLY YOU DO NOT--- you would be able to see the catastrophic effects of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION--- but hopefully as the economy continues to falter and as you read more about the amount of taxpayer monies expended on ILLEGALS and the wage depression and lost job opportunties for Americans by virtue of the underground economy, you will understand, BUT (1) YOU'RE NOT THAT SMART, (2) YOU'RE WILLING TO MISCHARACTERIZE FACTS---- SO PROBABLY NOT!

"Look, I came here for an argument. You are just contradicting me."

"No I'm not."

THen you better donate, and fast.

Dude is bleeding cash.

Burn rate of 100% plus.

Horrid.

Good for you Chris! But...who gives a crap? You come on a website for Obama groupies and announce "I support the president" ????? Wow. You sure are brave. Why don't you go find a NY Yankees site and post "Go Yankees"!!!!

At a negative 15 million a month, nomoresameo is really going to have up those $50/month checks.

Dude live in Michigan.

So can they even afford to keep the lights on in Detroit these days?

Team Blue, fail.

Chris, Dorr. I support the President too. And there are millions of us in America, although it's hard to tell, listening to the overpaid political pundits on the Sunday Talk shows. When gas prices were rising they told us this spelled doom for President Obama's reelection, but when gas prices prices drop, the news readers on TV don't say "and this will help Obama's re-election bid!"

If Liberals Hated America we’d VOTE Republican.

Obama-Biden 2012!

Hey Funny you should ask spanky:

Bloomberg:

Detroit, whose 139 square miles contain 60 percent fewer residents than in 1950, will try to nudge them into a smaller living space by eliminating almost half its streetlights.

As it is, 40 percent of the 88,000 streetlights are broken and the city, whose finances are to be overseen by an appointed board, can’t afford to fix them.

Didn't know that nomoresameo was a Michigander. He really ought to send that fifty bucks to Dave Bing.

Ah, poor Amy - the world is a mystery.

Gas is going down because we are back in a recession, and everybody knows it.

So Amy, even you understand that cheap gas is bad in a recession, right?

But then, what do you care, you don't even own a car.

So Amy, even you understand that cheap gas is bad in a recession, right?

You're f*cking kidding me right? Considering almost anything has its price affected by gas, tell me exactly how cheap gas is a bad thing.

I'm waiting.

Millions of us Amy :)

Millions!

Amy, you cannot possibly believe that there are "millions" of people with pictures of Obama on their desks that they look to for "inspiration". I'm relatively certain you are unique- were I not, I'd be thouroughly frightened for my country.

I'd worry, if I were you, and hadn't been sending those emails to msnbc- between the downgrading of the economic outlook, Fast and Furious, and Obama overspending his campaign accounts, I think he's going to need a new gig.

Where but on this network- that splices and dices audio tape to portray racism that was not there; that spices and dices video to portray cultural ignorance that was not there; and that, disgustingly, edits an interview to portray innocence that is not there; can Obama get a job?

Given the revelations in Maraniss' biography, the only place on earth he'd fit right in is at a network that prides itself on its ability to lie.

Still, I thought making Sandusky look good would be beneath anybody in the world. He must be an Obama cult member. It's the only explanation.

And yet no one is commenting on the subject of this article----- Romney's position on immigration.

So here it is....he has none.

He is still shaking the Etch-A-Sketch...hoping that something will come to mind someday.

Any journalist with any ethics would be embarrassed by this. Apparently the NBC News staff doesn't have any journalists with ethics. Andrea Mitchell is a liar. NBC News is a joke.

She says this is Romney's "supermarket scanner moment"? This should be the liar Mitchell's "Dan Rather moment".

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2012/06/19/msnbcs-selectively-edited-romney-video-andrea-mitchells-non-apology-il

Spanky, guess you only get to voice an opinion if the gas it too high, right? Sorry buddy, but the price of gas is coming down and I for one am happy about it. I still think we need to ween ourselves from the explosive addiction and move to another fuel source, but until we do I'll take cheaper gas over high priced gas any day of the week, but since I drive to work every morning it probably affects the working/middle class more than you.

Gas is an economic indicator.

Right now gas and all the other economic indicators are in the toilet.

So enjoy your 'cheap' gas at $3.99. Such a deal.

It's cool, we'll be getting the June job totals the week after O care ruling.

Ouch.

WOW Spanky you really have to be crabbing for straws when you spin lower gas prices as bad. And you're the only one who seems to believe cheap gas is bad. You're either not vary smart or you don't own a car to make a statement like that.

Gas is going down because we are back in a recession, and everybody knows it.

No Spanky you're hoping we're back in a recession, it's what you tea people Koch republicans have been hoping for, for four years.

Gas is an economic indicator.

Yea, that wasn't an answer.

How exactly is cheap gas bad for the economy?

HP comment:

There is no good news about the economy. And it's all Obama's fault. We need to elect Mitt because he'll pull Obama's bad economy back from the brink.

In the meantime, ignore the reports that unemployment is down. Ignore the fact that the stock market is thousands of points higher than when President Obama was inaugurated. Ignore record breaking profits for corporations. Ignore Romney's policies which will lay off even more teachers, firefighters and police personnel. Ignore the loss of goods and services bought by the public workers who'll be out of jobs.

The world is not as you see it. The world is as Mitt Romney declares it to be.

Gas is an economic indicator.

Right.....that's why every conservative on here was screaming about high gas prices just a couple of months ago and wanting President Obama to drill, baby, drill and approve the Keystone Pipeline to keep them from going over $5.00 by Memorial Day. By this logic, wouldn't that have meant that the economy was doing better then? I can't wait for the explanation about how the only thing more disastrous to America than expensive gas is cheaper gas. And how now we'd better STOP drilling and shut down the pipeline before they get any lower.....

P.S. - $3.99? That was two months ago - down to $3.41 here this morning.

By the way, guys- I wouldn't exactly start jumping up and down over that Q poll. See, last month, the pool was 33% republicans, 31% democrats. This month? 29% republicans, 34% democrats. When you do the math, it adds up.

Still no Obama bumper stickers in Key West, by the way. Lots of local election bumper stickers- no Obama bumper stickers. Lots of people here not planning to vote the top of the ticket, his revolving personal opinion on marriage rights notwithstanding.

It's the economy- at which Obama is an epic fail.

Gas is going down because we are back in a recession, and everybody knows it.

Then I no longer want to hear Republican BS about how great gas prices were in 2008 when President Whats-His-Face left office!!!

Seems to me a couple of months ago the GOP was crowing about how energy prices were so wonderfully low when President Obama took office. You demanded they come down and, voila.

Now it's a bad thing?

Let's try it a different way, shall we Ruken?

Overall gas consumption in going down. As you say, gas is an huge part of economic activity, the driving force. So here we are, using less and less, inspite of a decrease in price.

You view this as a good thing?

Ok Mo - I'll play. Point to something to suggest we are not in a recession. You did see the newest revision down of GDP? Revision Up of unemployment numbers? Durable goods are down, wages down, inflation up.

Those are objective factors. Now, what are you looking at?

job 1 you do hate America. It is obvious in your statements and voteing. If you want to live in a third world country than move. Do not destroy ours.

Let's try it a different way, shall we Ruken?

Overall gas consumption in going down. As you say, gas is an huge part of economic activity, the driving force. So here we are, using less and less, inspite of a decrease in price.

You view this as a good thing?

You know there's a difference between "cheap gas is bad" and "consumption is going down", right? In fact, there's quite a large difference.

I'll give you time to come up with yet another bullsh*t statement.

You are lucky Jo Anne, but here in Cali we get a EPA imposed Summer Blend which is about $.50 more per gallon.

But at least the polar bears are safe, right?

It's the economy- at which Obama is an epic fail.

NoJo it is also Women and Latino voters and Wayward Willard and the GOP are an epic fail.

You are lucky Jo Anne, but here in Cali we get a EPA imposed Summer Blend which is about $.50 more per gallon.

Why the hell do you care? You're a rich lawy- pfffft LOL I cannot finish that.

Cheaper gas is a product of lower demand because the economy is not as robust as it has been. Interesting since usually gas prices in the summer are higher due to the requirement for the summer blend (refining). On the other hand, lower gas prices will help trucking and distribution systems and a myriad of business and industries. The lower gas will also help your normal, everyday, average guy.

That being said, I will take my $2.86 down here in Texas (a far cry from $3.99 by the way). My suggestion get a grocery/gas card. Buy your groceries biweekly to build up credits then get 30 cents off per gallon. It keeps my hybrid cheaply filled during my bimonthly fill ups.

Mike in SA ---- She says this is Romney's "supermarket scanner moment"? This should be the liar Mitchell's "Dan Rather moment".

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2012/06/19/msnbcs-selectively-edited-romney-video-andrea-mitchells-non-apology

You're right. And George Bush the elder's "supermarket moment" wasn't even a "moment." It was ALSO a LIE created by the liberal media to influence voters. Same class war bulls**t, same liberal media. These people are friggin' shameless when it stars getting closer to election time.

Cheaper gas is a product of lower demand because the economy is not as robust as it has been.

Globally (as oil prices are affected by events around the world) lower demand, is generally a correct assumption. However one also has to take into account the massive speculation and investments on oil futures that also affect the price.

lower gas prices will help trucking and distribution systems and a myriad of business and industries. The lower gas will also help your normal, everyday, average guy.

Correct.

This is because transportation costs (of basically everything) go down, resulting in lower prices, resulting in more money in consumers' pockets, resulting in higher consumption...

I just gave Spanky the correct answer, but time ran out anyway.

All of you have fallen into the trap. This is not now "cheap" gas. It is just less expensive than it was a few months ago, but still too fricking high. Cheap gas would be at about $1.88 per gallon. I wonder when that was????

All of you have fallen into the trap. This is not now "cheap" gas. It is just less expensive than it was a few months ago, but still too fricking high. Cheap gas would be at about $1.88 per gallon. I wonder when that was????

I'd attempt to explain at how gas prices are affected by the global oil market, but Benny Birther is too stupid to comprehend.

Gas prices are WAY down where I live--gas has been around $3.15 for the last week. I don't drive more or less depending on the gas prices, though; even when gas prices are lower, I always try to conserve by planning out my errands in advance and looking up the best route on the Internet. It's just common sense. (It also saves money and reduces my carbon footprint--though I know I could be doing so much more.)

I'm happy to see lower gas prices because that helps families, businesses, etc. However, the prices will go back up at some point--the gas companies and speculators will make sure of that. When it's $10.00/gallon because of low supplies, maybe people will be more supportive of efforts to develop alternative sources.

This is just another ridiculous spin by the left. As usual, their assumptions are all wrong. They assume that all those who jumped through the hoops to get here legally are thrilled about all these people coming here illegally. Just because they are Hispanic doesn't mean that they love law breakers. All Romney wants is for people coming into this country to do so legally. Obama, on the other hand, if you take things to their logical conclusion, wants Mexicans killed. Remember, he and his administration purposely sold weapons to thugs from Mexico knowing full well that they were going to be used to kill Mexicans. I'm sure the Hispanic population is thrilled with that! Let's see now..... making sure people come into this country legally vs. killing them before they try to come into this country, legally or illegally? Hmmmm..... tough choice.

Kind of like the big dog flap. A dog on a car vs. eating dogs? Real tough decision their too.

Of course, if I were Hispanic, I'd be insulted at the assumptions the libs make. It's as if they think that Hispanics are so dumb that the only issue they are interested in is making sure that fellow Hispanics can get into this country illegally. It's like they are too stupid to worry about such things as the economy, freedoms, overreaching government, tyranny, national bankruptcy and debt, the rule of law, etc. Time will tell.

Hi Bethie. I also live in Texas, DFW area. Got my gas for $3.16 this weekend before adding my 30 cent discount through Krogers.

Agree with your thoughts.

Spanky-

THen you better donate, and fast.

Dude is bleeding cash.

Burn rate of 100% plus.

Horrid.

The only thing you prove with your posts is that you don't mind couple of guys buying Romney's election. Obama is kicking Romney's a$$ in small donations. Little people are sending every dollar they have to support the president. Not so much to Romney.

Romney is lucky that the guy who was paying millions to DEFEAT him is now writing him checks for millions of dollars. Please tell me how one guy can give $35 million to a SuperPAC and not expect anything in return??????

It's gotta be embarrassing for Romney to take cash from a guy that did everything in his power to prevent him from being the candidate....What do they call people who are willing to do ANYTHING for cash?

You are lucky Jo Anne, but here in Cali we get a EPA imposed Summer Blend which is about $.50 more per gallon.

Nice try, Spanky.....but summer blend gas is required in at least 17 states and the District of Columbia. Mostly around big cities where pollution is more of a problem.

Like, as in right here in Pennsylvania.

Still waiting for the explanation of "expensive gas bad, cheaper gas even badder" argument....

Spanky-

Gas is an economic indicator.

Right now gas and all the other economic indicators are in the toilet.

So enjoy your 'cheap' gas at $3.99. Such a deal.

Spanky, I keep picking on you because the cesspool of your "knowledge" amazes me. The oil industry is a global industry and is not influenced only by the US. We used to be able to somewhat dictate the oil prices but since China and India became growing oil consumers, we got pushed down to a less significant level. The world unrest also caused oil prices to rise.

Our supply is up while our demand is down - that normally should be the indicator of prices going down in most industries but not the oil industry. Since they can sell the same product somewhere else for more, why would they care what we want to pay???

My second point is that not so long ago, people like you were bragging about the low gas prices during the Bush Administration: about $1.40. If we use your "theory", how bad was the economy then??????

So nothing in your post makes any sense so why even bring up the oil prices? Don't answer that. It's rhetorical question: I know your main objective is to talk about Obama because there is nothing good to say about Romney.

As JoAnne and Ruken, others have pointed the GOP talking points are being shown for what they are. Gas prices were not spiking (first quarter of the year) because of Obama's actions, regulations, hatred for business as the R-abid would say.

Just think the XL pipeline is still not under construction or approval (as well it shouldn't be) and prices are dropping. As some might say, who would have thought. Good times.

For crying out loud - Andrea Mitchell is a Republican. Just because she is on MSNBC does not mean that she is automatically a Democrat. This is not FOX news where everyone is a Republican.

Gas is going down because we are back in a recession, and everybody knows it.

What a load of crap. It's going down because the oil speculators are getting spooked.

How exactly is cheap gas bad for the economy?

It's not. It's bad for the oil companies, OPEC and the speculators.

BTW How's the 400 HP foriegn auto shopping going? With all of your complaining maybe you should start comparing the Ford Focus, to Civics and Corrollas...

Uh Elise Where is your proof Andrea Mitchell is a Republican. If that is true she sure has a funny way of supporting her party. I have yet to see her do a balanced piece on anything.

Wow--so much "waaa--waaa"-ing over the WaWa thing. It was a dumb analogy on Romney's part, but still, Andrea Mitchell shouldn't have seized on his example, selectively edited it, and made him look even sillier. She is a cable "journalist", guys. Take her with a grain of salt. She's just one more reason I don't pay for cable TV (or any kind of TV for that matter)--it just ain't worth it. Andrea Mitchell is not a member of the Obama administration or part of his campaign staff. Get over it!

Hi Yellowdog--I'm in the same area (north of DFW). Nice to hear from a fellow Democrat in our red state! Wish we could turn it purple this year!!

Bethie you are missing the point. Journalists are supposed to be unbiased in their reporting unless they specifically state it is an opinion piece.

Greetings yellowdog, I see that you still occasionally post.

You seem to get the gist of what spanky is saying about fuel prices when you said...

Cheaper gas is a product of lower demand because the economy is not as robust as it has been.

A wonder that others can't connect the dots, even on a global basis. Regardless, we also are seeing an increase in supply, domestically and globally.

Bayllie, obviously you failed to connect the dots by what spanky said on gas prices or even yellowdog.

Even buyers (speculators) aren't interested so much in oil if the demand isn't there. Low demand without any obvious alternative reasons points to an anticipated economic decline. China is seeing a declining growth rate, the euro sovereign debt crises is creating a decline in the euro area economy + our own declining indicators and upcoming fiscal cliff also points to a slowing domestic economy.

BTW - What's wrong with bringing up obamas faults? Especially if one thinks that his actions aren't good for the country? Just because FR is the bastion of liberal thought, does it also mean that it is the bastion of denigration when others expouse a differing view. The hypocracy that exists here is astounding, but also quite amusing.

ksw, I agreed that Andrea Mitchell shouldn't have edited the piece to make Romney look bad (see my post above). I think you're naive to think that all journalists are unbiased. I know of very few journalists who rise to that standard. Fox News is the worst, but other channels have their biases, too. It shows up in the type of questions asked, the lack of follow-up when candidates make outrageous statements, the choice of topics, etc. That is why I basically avoid watching any cable news. Network news reporters are hardly any better. Thus, I get my news from a variety of sources online and from the radio.

Gas in N.J. @ $3.19 Today. Oh, and for the first time since 1949 we are exporting MORE than importing??

Yeah, cause approval rating are important, not the actual law or the fact that the House is supposed to provide oversight.

So Noid - the little dem on TEEVEE right now only wants to talk jobs, not about Holder - got figure, right?

So Noid, where was she, and the rest of the dems for the last three years?

By the way gang, you all see today's jobs numbers?

Wreckovery Summer, Part 3.

"member when O said we were in a recovery? Yeah, he kinda blew that one too.

I would like a resolution to hold the Republicans members in Congress with contempt of our Citizens, and our President of the United States.

But Spanky...

Don't you remember:

"See, that is the interesting thing about being President; I don't have to explain...." Pres. G. W. Bush

Now - with a Democrat as president - you want to change the rules and hold them to a more stringent standard? That is hypcritical my friend.

We can't change rules in the middle of the stream, just as we can't change leadership in the middle of the stream.

PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT 2012!

Now that is Stupid, Stupid.

Unless you are saying that what Bush did was right.

And I know you are not saying that.

So Stupid - I don't suppose you have actually read the law in this area? You know, the actual rules.

So Stupid - I don't suppose you have actually read the law in this area? You know, the actual rules.

Yea, because our "counselor" here is an expert on laws...

LOL!

But, But, Stupid.....President Obama was the one who campaigned on CHANGE.

This was going to be the most transparent Presidency EVER!

Why do you keep comparing him to GW Bush, when you have such contempt for the way he acted?

Exactly which laws and rules do you refer to here Spank?

18 USC sec. 922 by chance? Which others? 22 USC chapter 2778 maybe?

If you could be a little more specific I could answer.....

Ah look Stupid's been googling.

Ok Stupid I'll play.

US v Nixon (1974) - goes into the how, why and where of Exec. Priv.

US v Nixon (1974) - goes into the how, why and where of Exec. Priv.

Details.

Because if anyone has been Googling, "Conselor", I believe you'd fit the charge.

Job1, Oh, Republicans in Congress will feel the voters' contempt in the 2012 elections, trust me. They have focused on everything BUT creating jobs since they assumed the majority in 2010. Worst Congress ever.

Oooops....

Shifting gears on me huh.

No problem.

Actually I have read and am aware of your citation. But my question to you is, "How was this applied during 2001 to 2009?"

Are you suddenly opening up your eyes and agreeing with what many of us tried to get accross back then? Are you attempting to apply a standard to President Obama that is different and/or more stringent than the way these "laws and rules" were applied to Dumbya? Are you "evolving" in your opinions of how US v Nixon should be interpreted?

BTW.... this does set some parameters regarding Executive Privilege, but is far from definitive.

What's the matter Ruken - is it that you cannot read the decision, or that you cannot understand it?

Oh and I google all the time. Google Scholar is great. Almost as good as Westlaw, and it's free.

What's the matter Ruken - is it that you cannot read the decision, or that you cannot understand it?

So explain it to me. You have time, lots of it.

If there were no jobs being created and the Repubs were going after Holder or Obama because one of them had a "baby momma" stashed away somewhere, I could see how this whole thing would be useless and silly. But we have a situation where our dumbass AG gave powerful weapons to terrorists who killed hundreds of their fellow citizens and (as far as we know) ONE of ours. As Joey "Quack Quack" Biden would say; this is a big f***ing deal.

Da Noid, beautiful point.

Polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

Some examples: Polls on DISAPPROVAL OF CONGRESS.

RCP, disapproval 76.5%

Associated Press/Gtk, disapproval 75%

Gallup, disapproval 79%

Fox News, disapproval 75%

CBS News/NY, disapproval 77%

Hey, Navy? You DO realize that "congress" means both the House and the Senate, do you not?

And, that it is an open ended question? Like, do you like ice cream?

It would be nice if somebody did a real poll- like, on specific issues in congress- say, the Senate's not passing a budget in three years in violation of the law. Or those elected to enact real budget cuts not doing so.

The polls you cite? Try opening Ice cream parlor with those results. You'll be swimming in strawberry- but run out of vanilla and chocolate in the first morning of operation.

Hey Stupid -- That is pretty "stupid" since Obama is our president in 2012. :-).

Remember the Silent Majority!!! We're baaaack.....and we can't wait to get to the polls.

Obama/Biden 2012

HAHAHAHA! ROTFLOL Ben.....

Some post!

I guess all you RWNJ's want to distance yourselves from W and everything the GOP/TEA did between 2001 and 2009.

Just pretend it didn't really happen Ben? LOL! Crazy!!

And you probably want us to believe Republican policies would be different in 2012.... HAHAHAHA! NUTS!

Real good Ben --- bring in the clowns!

Wow stupid, you sure you aren't dummer than you think? Decisions establish precedence. One can't argue why something wasn't done in someone elses past case to justify anothers actions today. I am sure that you are free to pursue any criminal/civil actions of past politicians you wish, but it still doesn't mitigate todays current affairs.

BTW - Congressman gerald ford was once asked what the constitution meant meant when it refferred to its definition of what an impeachable offense was, you know the phrase...

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution, "The President, Vice President and
all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on
Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and
Misdemeanors."

Fords comment on the "other high crimes and misdemeanors" was essentially "whatever we decide them to be".

If holder opens up another avenue of investigation based on his own comments why shouldn't that avenue be pursued and why should obama claim executive privilege?

Ruken, how droll for you to ask spanky to explain US vs nixon (1974).

How can he explain it to you if you haven't read it to even ask spanky the specific parts that you don't understand? Nice to see that all you still have is the ability to not engage your brain when typing.

I would like a resolution to hold the Republicans members in Congress with contempt of rationality, logic and critical thinking. That and selling our democracy to the highest bidder.

Why does NOBODY ever mention the treason-like Gridlock of the "so-called" Tax Reform "Norquist Pledge" signers?? You know Grover Norquist, the #1 Lobbyest for the Keystone pipeline. (helps Canada?) For TRUE Tax Reform just "AX THE TAX CODE"; BUT they don't want THAT?? With its $1.1TRILLION in "breaks, Cuts & Caps"; Plus allowing 45% to pay NOTHING?? THERE IS YOUR "DEFICIT"!! It's Time to Take the "Voters Anti-Norquist Pledge". Its on change.org You should NOT VOTE for Norquist Pledge signers. That includes 41 Senators & 238 Congessmen, inlcl. Mitt.

June 21, 2012

This will be a tight one, and my current Projection: (Currently the states that will play the biggest in November are Michigan, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. However, if the election were held today, Obama would win Michigan, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. Also, I’m placing Florida in the Obama column.

The key months for this race are going to be September and October. And as far as the debates, Romney may have a problem in this area.

For now, the new totals are:

Projected Winner Obama 317

Projected Loser Romney 221

Job1 - I like your series of posts on these predictions. However, I think your totals from last time were more accurate with Obama at 291 if the election were held today.

Just my opinion. Obviously the numbers could change at any time. Still fearful about Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado. I have placed Florida and North Carolina in Romney territory. The voter purges (by GOP) will not be overcome due to its size.

How will the SCOTUS ACA ruling affect things? Unfortunately the failed recall does not bode well and may have weakened Obama in a must win state.

Outside of domestic issues, globally a lot of things could still turn this election. I think we all dodged a bullet this week, with the election in Greece. People say elections don't matter, but we were close to another hit, glad we misssed it. A more hardline group, interested in staying with the euro, will have more parlimentary members in Greece. They will have austerity measures imposed upon them from Germany in exchange for more bailout funding and advantageous interest rates.

There is no answer but would it have been better if Greece opted out of the Euro at this time? Obviously it would have hit the markets hard in Europe and ripples would have been felt in the US. However, perhaps it would have been a wound that was survivable, a wound that would heal eventually. With these new bailouts, a superficial cut may close but prolong the growth of a deep, nonsurvivable wound. The European union will falter. When it does it will start a chain of events likened to falling dominoes.

Hi Mark,

So true, the numbers will adjust daily. Actually I think in the end the Obama numbers will go down to around 291. However, this week Romney is having a bad week.

The Bill of Rights and the Constitution belong to ALL Americans

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Correct....Americans. Not greedy illegal invaders. Go to downtown Dallas and tell me how the illegals benefited this city. People that live nearby won't even go there. Everyone owns a gun.

Illegals don't benefit you, they TAKE benefits from you. ANY political party that will try to stop this invasion has my vote. They are costing us billions of dollars every year.

Sour grapes, eh IR?

Obama outspent MCCain by a wide margin.

Now he's getting outspent.

Life is hard.

So what else you got/how about you step up and contribute?

Less whine, more action. Who knows, maybe it'll help.

So what else you got/

How 'bout this:

In 2000 the SCOTUS stepped in and appointed our President...

Now SCOTUS has approved Citizens United to allow corporations to be people in their eyes...

So SCOTUS is changing the rules to give the GOP/TEA undue advantage over the Democrats in any election, promoting secrecy and protections for contributor such as Rove, the Koch brothers, and other 1%ers.

Yes=== live IS hard, and even harder when American Citizens have to deal with RWNJ's who want all the dollars in their pockets, and a Supreme Court who insistes upon determining who our President will be regardless of the votes and intentions of the citizens.

If they really want to help, they'll send moving cartons and bubble wrap. At the rate Obama spends, they won't be able to afford all they need for the move back to Chicago.

Throw in a snow shovel, while they're at it. Snow gets pretty deep there, and I doubt he'll have the funds to jet the fam back to Hawaii for the winter. After January, the taxpayers stop footing the bill.

Spanky you're really going to be pissed when President Obama is reelected in November, even though Romney and citizens united out spent him. You tea people Koch republicans get all giddy about how much money citizens united is spending on Romney. The thing is you need a plan to go along with your Rove and Koch money, the only plan you tea people Koch republicans have is hoping a bad economy bails you out. The reason you're so nervous is you know Romney doesn't have a chance to win in November despite all the citizens united money being spent on him.

IR--I don't expect the right to give up George Soros, the man they love to hate. And anyone who thinks these big donors don't have a personal agenda is naive. But what scares me even more is the donors who we don't know about---foreign interests, foreign governments, even U.S. interests who can now remain anonymous.

I saw a photo of military caskets covered in flags with the caption: Corporations didn't die for our freedoms, people did. How sadly true.

Hey, Scarecrow,

Perhaps we should "occupy" the Ventian/Sands enterprises this summer, eh?

LOL - George Soros my tush,...yet another of the "I got mine, screw you!" crowd. Bless them everyone!

So Devie - now apply that logic to the '08 race.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Oh and devie - where are al of o's grass roots/volunteers? Why is he bleeding cash when he used to he all those minions?

What? Did you say something?

Save it for someone who buys your BS. You know like your boy Darrell Issa who's going to need a shoulder to cry on.

Nice try Bullspouter. Spanky and I go back aways.

If you must know he's from Issa's district and ol'Darrell got all tear eyed about how unfair it was when Arnold decided to run for Governor during the Davis recall.

But hey it's all in good fun, so I take all of you RWNJs lightly.

His nickname now should be With Holder!!!!!!!

which is very, very smart.

Obama's answer... open the gate... I'm not paying.

which is very, very smart.

You wouldn't know smart if it hit you in the face with a 2x4.

oh... i know rukooie... you are one of the many Rhode Scholar Bloggers here.

G.E.D.

G.E.D.

Aren't you supposed to be playing cards with the other senile hicks?

Kind of like "we have to pass it to know what's in it" huh GB? Obama was fully on board with that statement as is shown by the lack of exposure, transparency, and information on the ACA.

Oh and how about "turning the economy around" and then getting in office and having to admit "we didn't realize how bad it was"? I would rather a candidate say he was going to evaluate it once in office than giving pie in the sky BS in a campaign and find out he shouldn't have made the statement when he did.

Aren't you supposed to be playing cards with the other senile hicks?

Probably to busy unpacking his moving boxes...

x

the head socialist in chief fuks something up every week.

Tell me, how exactly is he socialist?

It took you three attempts yesterday to even define socialism, so this should be rich.

Tell me, how exactly is he socialist?

Tell me, how is he not?

Tell me, how is he not?

You're the one making the assertions here Bub. You know, you make up a claim, and you support it with facts? Oh wait, Jason...uneducated...I almost forgot.

yes, my lack of education is quite apparent, i'm in a discussion with you

Jason pulls a cs cut and run.

Jason pulls a cs cut and run.

It's all the f*cker has, really.

back to the name calling rookie?

it's ok... the race card, class warfare, etc... if it's all you have then use it.

it's ok... the race card, class warfare, etc... if it's all you have then use it.

Aren't you supposed to be defining how Obama is a socialist? Chop chop.

I'll chip in $5 to buy Jason a dictionary so he can look up "socialist."

I'm beginning to think Ruken is actually Michelle Obama. She's feeling the strain, that's for sure. She's all fiery and angry because "people goin' afta my may-in". What's the matter Ruken? This is how politics goes. I mean, she's even ridiculing transsexuals now! Shame on you Ruken! You're supposed to believe in diversity and that ALL people's lifestyles are equally virtuous. Calm down and dig US Politics. Go empty some trash cans in the East Room or something.

his is how politics goes. I mean, she's even ridiculing transsexuals now! Shame on you Ruken!

I wouldn't dare ridicule your sexual aspirations.

Ruken, do you want to know in what ways Obama is a socialist besides his upbringing, education, associates, and actions? Or is that enough?

Ruken, do you want to know in what ways Obama is a socialist besides his upbringing, education, associates, and actions? Or is that enough?

Sure, spare me no detail.

If you need proof other than his actions, associates, education and upbringing, I got nothing. But these four are enough for people who think.

Apparently you need video of him killing babies before you will admit anything negative about the guy.

Jason, to respond to the french press or auto drip - neither - he's Mormon. He doesn't drink coffee. :)

Rukin,

Here's what I don't get about these comment boards.

You know that Obama is the most left wing President in history. His parents were Marxists, his associates have always been left wing advocates, he awarded the Medal of Freedom to an honorary chairwoman of the Democratic Socialists of America, he advocates and participates in socialist policies like the take over of GM and Government Sponsored Health Care. And he advocates the redistribution of wealth.

Why do you pretend like you don't know what JasonInNYC is talking about? You are being deceptive. This doesn't promote the exchange of ideas. It muddies the water.

I can't explain it, except that you WANT the water to be muddy so people can't see clearly what your guy is doing.

You know that Obama is the most left wing President in history.

Actually, no, I don't know that. Obama is right of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton in my view.

good luck... you'll need it.

bring some tissue.

Absolutely Job1, I have never voted for a repugnant (I'm 59 years old, got to vote in my first election in 1972 when I was 19 years old), never once regretted the fact that I did not vote for tricky dick, ronald regaun, georgie sr or georgie jr, and Iabsolutely would never vote for a repugnant in a local race (I manage to find out even when the repugnants will not admit to their party - you know, that old I vote for the person thing, well that is almost always an embarrassed repugnant). I work for a living and see no reason what so ever to vote to give the upper 1% more money and power than they already have. You see, at some point, the working public really does get tired of working to make someone else rich!

Hi Union Baby,

You are 100% Correct!

Union baby pretty much tells us what we need to know.

Yes Jason, you can thank my Dad for your holidays, 40 hour work week, overtime pay, child labor laws, and employee health insurance. I thank him every day for all he did to make sure I have fairly decent working conditions.

By the way little buddy, hope and change are working very well for my working/middle class family, thanks for asking!

No I can thank, My father and grandfather for instilling a work ethic in me that allowed me to be successful on my own and not dependent on someone that has their own best interests in mind. I spent 10 years as a member of AFL/CIO CWA. Every contract we got less and less and Union stewards got more and more. We were on Strike..... they got paid. Then they had the gaul to come to me and tell me I was working too fast, and making my union brothers and sisters look bad. They handed me a list of tasks and the time it should take. Along with a full list of breaks and lunch. The last straw was when they pushed us out on strike because a non union plumber walked into our building.

I spent 10 years as a member of AFL/CIO CWA

Was that before OR after you serving in Viet Nam Harry?

You couldn't tell the truth if someone notarized your tongue!

You couldn't tell the truth if someone notarized your tongue!

Be easy on him, he's senile and confused.

Yes Jason, you can thank my Dad for your holidays, 40 hour work week, overtime pay, child labor laws, and employee health insurance. I thank him every day for all he did to make sure I have fairly decent working conditions.

Sadly, all pro-labor conditions that the GOP/TP are desperately trying to tear down and take away.

Ya'll are worried about Reps but Obama gave taxpayer money to private business.

Obama allowed the tax cuts for the wealthy to stay in place

Obama supports illegals over citizens

Obama allows banks to charge any interest rate they want on credit cards

.....really, how much worse will it get? If Reps push too far, they might incite the citizens. Give them enough rope to hang themselves

And what do we deduct by looking at you?

And what do we deduct by looking at you?

Ask yourself the same question.

Hi Nash,

Nice Home Run. GREAT!

Oh God, Nashville, you just reminded me of when The Republicans in Congress scolded the Obama administration for being "too hard" on BP for creating the worst environmental disaster in the nation's history.

"What I don't like from the president's administration is this sort of, 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,'" Paul said in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America." "I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business."

Other Republicans have criticized the administration's handling of the oil spill, but few have been so vocal in defending BP, the company responsible for the deep well and offshore rig that exploded last month, killing 11 workers and spewing millions of gallons of oil.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37273085/ns/politics-decision_2010/t/rand-paul-obama-bp-criticism-un-american/

Thanks for digging that up Amy . . . I just didn't have the stomach to do it! :o)

Great post, Nash. Seems to me that when the Republicans hold the Presidency, they can't govern and when the Democrats hold the Presidency the Republicans do everything in their power to stop the Democrats from governing.

The latest stunt from Issa is just another example---the Democrats have to expend so much time and energy fighting them off that they can't move ahead with the important work for the people, like JOBS.

Great point Steeler Fan . . . and something tells me that is just the way they planned it.

blacks vote black... who do you think they are polling... the rest of the world is working

Jason:

Don't you miss the days when black folks gave a rats a$$ what you thought?

lol

Poor baby.

actually, i miss the days when they gave a rats azz about themselves.

no self-respect or personal responsibility

actually, i miss the days when they gave a rats azz about themselves.

no self-respect or personal responsibility

Really. Well you just showed your true colors!

If you say so Jason . . . I see you got a Ph.D. in black folks . . . we are flattered that you took the time . . . Damage may get jeolous though . . . he is our resident racist . . . ya'll can have a contest to see who has the biggest cross for burning to settle it! :o)

have, no... i don't have a phd in anything... i work for a living.

the race card is played out, start looking at the statistics and trying to find a solution

Great point pissedoffperson - you are spot on with this one.

.. i work for a living.

No, you don't.

Jason, you are way off base, I'm not black and I sure answere every poll everytime they call - and my answer is never good news for the GOP.

Nashville Fan - bet you are as ticked off at our current repugnant governor and his cronies about giving away 1/2 million dollars to the state of virginia to build a country music museum in bristol va - heck I thought we already had a world class country music museum in Nashville, even if we did not, we have no business sending my tax money to another state. can you say underhanded and very likely illegal? Sounds bout right for haslam and ramsey.

i don't have a phd in anything... i work for a living.

Well, that explains it all!...Low-information, inability to think, and proud of it!

Awww . . . Jason got grammar corrections . . . he's superior! lol

Your insecurity is showing! :o)

(Boo . . . did ya jump? )

lmao....... you guys are funny. You automatically think your all smarter, because......well you have to for your points to have substance. I live most of the year in Detroit, any of you live in an urban environmental? Im betting not.

You automatically think your all smarter, because

Care to try again?

Jason--yes, Obama has the support of black voters. However, he cannot win with only this group as they represent only 12-13% of our population. He has to get a coalition of many other groups of voters to win, which is what he did in 2008 and will hopefully do again this year.

Oh, I would like to say that your depiction of blacks is painted with a very broad stroke--are you telling me that you don't know ANY educated, hardworking black men and women? Seriously? I see them everywhere! I guess you see only what you want to see, but your life would be better if you took the blinders off.

Quit picking on Ruken. You are going to make him late for gym class.

Under Obama we have endured a unemployment rate ABOVE 8% for over 40 straight months!

This is after Obama PROMISED if only we would pass that bloated Stimulus package we would NEVER have unemployment over 8%.

HE LIED. How does this benefit any Latino? Hmm? HOW? Explain.

Some Real Facts About Mitt Romney We Won't Hear From The Lame Stream Media
About The 'Real' Mitt Romney!

After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.

As a venture-capitalist, Romney's first major business deal involved investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts that sold office supplies. That company, called
'Staples', now has over 2,000 stores and employs over 90,000 people.

Romney or his company Bain Capital (using what became known as the "Bain Way") would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group,Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.

Got your calculators handy? Let's recap...

Volunteer campaign worker for his fathers gubernatorial campaign for 1 year.

Unpaid intern in Governor's office for 8 years.

Mormon missionary in Paris for 2 years.

Unpaid Bishop & state President for his church for 10 years.

No salary as President of the Olympics for 3 years.

No salary as MA Governor for 4 years.

That's a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church.

Why?

Because that's the kind of man Mitt Romney is!

And, in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity.
Almost 19% of his years income.

Obama gave 1% !!
And, Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013% !!!

You are so smart. Is that what your mother's been telling you all your life? The way liberals always tell everyone how intellectually superior they are is very entertaining.

Yes we are so smart thank you for admitting it. Read the comments of your friends and look at the history of the comments from your politicians for this election cycle that is the only proof needed. This from a party that supports Donald Trump yeah

Yep, no doubt you are brilliant.

You are so smart. Is that what your mother's been telling you all your life? The way liberals always tell everyone how intellectually superior they are is very entertaining.

You actually demonstrate it for us. Keep posting.

Ruken,

I'm still waiting for your answer. What is it about the method used to store nuclear waste at the Yucca Mountain facility that makes it unsafe?

I'm still waiting for your answer. What is it about the method used to store nuclear waste at the Yucca Mountain facility that makes it unsafe?

I thought I told you that I don't pander to deflections from dumbsh*ts. Or did you momentarily forget how to read?

I thought I told you

ahhh... i get it... you're a housewife.

you b!tch more than my wife

Ruken,

Go ahead and pander. You made a bold statement that the nuclear storage facility is unsafe as is. If you didn't want to discuss it, then why make that claim and what did you based that on? And here you are again claiming intellectural superiority. Where's the beef?

I have a suggestion. Stop calling people stupid and just discuss the topic.

I have a suggetion.

I also have a suggestion, stop deflecting and discuss the topic.

Stop calling people stupid

Well if the shoe fits...and it fits you very well.

you b!tch more than my wife

I didn't know bestiality was legal in NYC.

I didn't know bestiality was legal in NYC

why not... it's legal in the Washington... MoooCHELLEEE

why not... it's legal in the Washington... MoooCHELLEEE

Yea, Michelle Obama is really so obese.

How's that Obama and Socialism definition going? Chop chop.

Wow. Jason is a racist AND a misogynist!

Let's hope it's the end of the road for Turd Blossom. He's a menace to politics.

Ruken,

In case you missed this above:

Here's what I don't get about these comment boards.

You know that Obama is the most left wing President in history. His parents were Marxists, his associates have always been left wing advocates, he awarded the Medal of Freedom to an honorary chairwoman of the Democratic Socialists of America, he advocates and participates in socialist policies like the take over of GM and Government Sponsored Health Care. And he advocates the redistribution of wealth.

Why do you pretend like you don't know what JasonInNYC is talking about? You are being deceptive. This doesn't promote the exchange of ideas. It muddies the water.

I can't explain it, except that you WANT the water to be muddy so people can't see clearly what your guy is doing.

Jt + numbers--what support do you have that "Obama's parents were Marxists"? Anyway, his dad left when he was two, and he only saw him like once after that. His mother traveled a lot, so he was basically raised by his grandparents, who were certainly not Marxists.

What "government takeover" of GM? There was a bailout, not a takeover. GM is doing just fine now--and paying the money back, with interest. How is that socialism?

I agree that Obama advocates that the wealthy pay their taxes, as they should. It's hilarious how much money some rich people are willing to pay to Romney's campaign just so that they can try to elect someone who will protect their precious tax loopholes, write-offs, low rates, etc. Yet they don't want to contribute to their country. (Not very patriotic, is it?)

As far as health care goes, the ACA is so watered down as to hardly have any effect on our system. It's still driven by the insurance companies. We will still see spiraling costs as we've essentially done nothing to control them, and people without insurance will still get care in the ER, raising everyone else's rates. People will still eat whatever they want, smoke as much as they want, engage in risky sex and dangerous driving (e.g., no seatbelt) because they can. And the rest of us pay for it. The best thing I've seen from the ACA is the fact that now our preventative screenings like mammograms and colonoscopies are covered at 100%, which makes sense. Preventing cancer is much cheaper than treating it.

Anyway, Jason's intent is simply to use the term "socialist" as a scare tactic. Most people know that we need some social programs for the general good. Yes, we are a capitalistic country--but not purely so. Guess what? The sky is not falling!

Government Sponsored Health Care.

Well, just tackling one of those grandiose claims, please list one government sponsored health care plan that Obama implemented. Don't discuss medicare and medicaid (government sponsored health care plans) as they already existed prior to Obama becoming President. We want to hear about the new program he sponsored.

I'm referring of course to the ACA. Ever heard of it? Mandates, penalties, what services must be provided regardless of your religious affiliations. Admittedly not classic socialized medicine as in Canada and GB. But I'm pretty sure he'd would have attempted that if he thought he could get away with it. But ACA is still government sticking its nose where it will only make matters worse. Like all socialist programs.

What I don't get is why libs don't have the courage to admit they are socialists. They support all the tenants. But they won't call a duck a duck.

Maybe it's your subconsciousness telling you that socialism ain't the American way and adopting it will lead to the weakening of our nation like it has for other countries foolish enough to try it.

Bethie,

How exactly do you know why people contribute to Mitt Romney's campaign, or how much they are willing to contribute and how much they do contribute through private charities to their country? Your statement is based on some prejudice you seem to have against people who have attained some level of wealth.

Maybe they respect the US Constitution and our freedoms and want some like thinking person sitting in the White House. Maybe that's why they contribute. This notion that anybody who supports Romney does so out of greed and hatred for minorities is just as unfounded and unfair as racial bias.

I've heard of ACA, and have spent considerable time reading up on it, and it is not nearly as government controlled as Medicare and Medicaid, which I might add, Americans overwhelming support. It does mandate that all Americans share responsibility for covering themselves by purchasing insurance rather than letting those costs fall onto the rest of society. ACA even goes one step further, by mandating insurance companies provide actual coverage vs. the farcical policies they offered in the past (you know, $10k per year to cover nothing).

What I don't get is why conservatives won't admit they just as socialist as liberals. They love their socialist freeways, roads, schools, public parks, fire departments, police services, armed forces, dams/water supplies, and countless other government provided services.

Finally, speaking of subconscious deception, American ranks 12th in quality of life, while those societies that blend democratic and socialist policies rank above us. Perhaps they have found that forcing people into bankruptcy to cover their health care is simply put, a downer, along with meager retirements, collapsing infrastructure, poorly funded education, and beating the @!$%# out of public employees. They have found that taking away the worry of getting the next morsel of food on the table, leads to more productive employees.

http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_Index

It's one thing to tax let's say half the population and then use the money to build a road that everybody can use. It might be done more efficiently if it wasn't handled by the government, but Ok, I don't think too many conservative complain about that.

What about people who pay no taxes and have government supplied food, shelter and health care? Where does the money come from for that program? The people paying for it, don't get any benefit from it. That's redistribution of wealth pure and simple. That's socialism. That can't work in the long run.

There's no incentive to work as long and hard and with as much risk as it takes to become rich if the government is going to redistribute what you earn back to people who didn't earn anything. It's human nature. It's hard to get out of bed in the morning when you know you are going to be working your ass off all day. Imagine what it's like when some bureaucrat tells you at the end of the day how much of what you earned you deserve to keep and he gives the rest to somebody who didn't do squat that day.

Believe me, I think most liberals mean well. I was a college student in the 60's. I used to think the same way. It didn't take me long living in the real world to see the flaws in socialism. I will work myself to death for myself and my wife and kids and grand kids. Put I just don't have what it takes to put forth the same effort for some stranger. I'm sorry. I'm not that evolved. I don't think there are enough people who are so evolved to sustain such a system yet.

So, Eric Holder is supposed to trust that the Republican leaders demanding more internal emails about an ATF investigation into Mexico drug cartels, are asking for some purpose other than harassing the Obama administration? When did Republicans make protecting drug lords a part of their platform?

Money won't buy this election American Citizens that have the ability to think and the education to understand what is going on here will win.

The Republican Party has bet they can buy our country it won't happen we aren't for sale

The smart and educated one has spoken.

Thank you, your recognition is always appreciated

NorthStar ... I have been reading up on demographic shifts (Florida comes to mind) of late ... I am not worried.

Ideo,

Yes, lots of demographic shifts since 2008.

And the GOP is making their last grasp at keeping their base happy, but losing everyone else.

Obama will be reelected.

I am looking at the House and its races to see if the Democrats can take it back in Nov.

Most anything would be better than Republican Control

which sounds right to me.

find the niche and what you're good at and stick to it.

Do you think your not a socialist?

Jason has no f*cking clue what a socialist or socialism really is.

Sweden... the great example of Socialism... I guess we could start using Europe to compare?

lolllllllllllll

Sweden... the great example of Socialism... I guess we could start using Europe to compare?

And how exactly does it compare?