Let the long drawn out peeing contest in Washington, DC now commence accordingly!

Well that is the end of that, at least for 4 1/2 years...

Obama is covering up for the incompetent BATFE idiots responsible for the Fast and Furious lunacy. And thus the culture of irresponsibility and incompetence in US government continues!

Blow'd up.

a us border patrol agent is killed and they wont release documents? self incriminating documents im assuming.

so much for "the most transparent administration in history"

another campaign promise broken for obama..

What is this Fast and Furious thing?

I don't recall that being talked about it here.

Dominico, Murray?

SSDD

What a fricking cover-up.

I must have missed the vote to become a one branch government - the executive one. Obama seems to be issuing one presidential decree or override or new implemented plan a week with no input from Congress. Granted, congress can't seem to collectively scratch its own a$$, but as far as I know it's still a three branch government.

The George W. Bush administration invoked executive privilege on numerous occasions.

President George W. Bush first asserted executive privilege to deny disclosure of sought details regarding former Attorney General Janet Reno, the scandal involving Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) misuse of organized-crime informants James J. Bulger and Stephen Flemmi in Boston, and Justice Department deliberations about President Bill Clinton's fundraising tactics, in December 2001.

Bush invoked executive privilege "in substance" in refusing to disclose the details of Vice President Dick Cheney's meetings with energy executives, which was not appealed by the GAO. In a separate Supreme Court decision in 2004, however, Justice Anthony Kennedy noted "Executive privilege is an extraordinary assertion of power 'not to be lightly invoked.' United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1, 7 (1953).

Further, on June 28, 2007, Bush invoked executive privilege in response to congressional subpoenas requesting documents from former presidential counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor, citing that:

The reason for these distinctions rests upon a bedrock presidential prerogative: for the President to perform his constitutional duties, it is imperative that he receive candid and unfettered advice and that free and open discussions and deliberations occur among his advisors and between those advisors and others within and outside the Executive Branch.

On July 9, 2007, Bush again invoked executive privilege to block a congressional subpoena requiring the testimonies of Taylor and Miers. Furthermore, White House Counsel Fred F. Fielding refused to comply with a deadline set by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee to explain its privilege claim, prove that the president personally invoked it, and provide logs of which documents were being withheld. On July 25, 2007, the House Judiciary Committee voted to cite Miers and White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten for contempt of Congress.

On July 13, less than a week after claiming executive privilege for Miers and Taylor, Counsel Fielding effectively claimed the privilege once again, this time in relation to documents related to the 2004 death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman. In a letter to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Fielding claimed certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests” and would therefore not be turned over to the committee.

On August 1, 2007, Bush invoked the privilege for the fourth time in little over a month, this time rejecting a subpoena for Karl Rove. The subpoena would have required the President's Senior Advisor to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee in a probe over fired federal prosecutors. In a letter to Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, Fielding claimed that "Mr. Rove, as an immediate presidential advisor, is immune from compelled congressional testimony about matters that arose during his tenure and that relate to his official duties in that capacity...."

Leahy claimed that President Bush was not involved with the employment terminations of U.S. attorneys. Furthermore, he asserted that the president's executive privilege claims protecting Josh Bolten, and Karl Rove are illegal. The Senator demanded that Bolten, Rove, Sara Taylor, and J. Scott Jennings comply "immediately" with their subpoenas, presumably to await a further review of these matters. This development paved the way for a Senate panel vote on whether to advance the citations to the full Senate. "It is obvious that the reasons given for these firings were contrived as part of a cover up and that the stonewalling by the White House is part and parcel of that same effort", Leahy concluded about these incidents.

As of July 17, 2008, Rove is still claiming executive privilege to avoid a congressional subpoena. Rove's lawyer writes that his client is "constitutionally immune from compelled congressional testimony."

The American people already hold Congress in contempt, so I guess it's even.

IMPEACH HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For what crime?

YOU PEOPLE DEFENDING THIS ARE GROSS!

If your defense is hey look at other bad things, wouldn't that trigger some brain thought to you that you should not be defending the act.

GROW UP!

Just because Bush did something wrong, doesn't mean it's ok for Obama to also do the same wrong thing.

Once again O'Bama hides the truth behind his failed Policies and Administrations. He authorized the ATF to arm the Mexican Drug Cartels, this causes the Mexican's to flee to the U.S. for safety where they get U.S. tax payer support from the O'Bama White House. He then prevents states from removing the Illegals from the Voting records (only U.S. Citizens can vote in the U.S.) so he can get their vote in November. O'Bama even authorized other countries to take U.S. States to court protesting U.S. Laws discriminate against people that should not even be in the U.S.. O'Bama has supported and authorized the release of "Classified Material" to the Public to get the vote even when it caused the death of U.S. Soldiers and Citizens of other countries around the World. O'Bama uses the U.S. Constitution only when it meets his needs and ignores the Constitution when it will get him more votes regardless of who pays the price. O'Bama is the 1st U.S. Socialist Dictator in U.S. history. Our saving grace is that the dictators of the past were laid to rest under the ground and history has a way of repeating itself.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
This is starting to get interesting...

Issa pushes forward with his witch hunt...

Stay tuned...

"Obama invokes executive privilege over DOJ documents"

Sounds like Obama and his lapdog boytoy Holder have something to hide.

Executive privilege for documents from DOJ and Holder. Obama must believe these documents will implicate him in the program. Had these documents been turned over 18 months ago when requested, this would be over and a non-issue in the election. Holder has made this an issue. Anything to help the President in his reelection, but I think this will further alienate the American public against the President. Romney might not be the best choice but he is definitely better than what we have now.

Feisty, I don't think there is anything Obama could do that would make you and your little group see him differently. Examples: Murder, rape, treason etc., etc., etc., and you guys would still think he was the greatest.

Feisty and Jeff are disgusting.

Using the colossal blunder by Holder, the death of an American border agent, and countless hundreds of Mexican citizens killed, you parasites choose to try to spin this in Obama's favor.

Obstructionism?

Im pretty sure when Obama doesnt get his way he uses Executive Privilege to force his policies.

He got 800,000 new voters earlier this week by going around Congress via the DoHS at the expense of 800,000 legal American residents, including legal aliens, and those who won their citizenship.

To bad those that worked hard didnt wait a few years for our Dear Leader to come along.

Modern version of Iran-Contra, just a cooler movie name invented by the media. Obama will be hurt by this executive privelage order as it is really in line with Dictatorship to cover up poop in someone's bed.....

Started under Republicans? No, No, No!!! Bush's program ARRESTED the straw purchasers BEFORE they got back across the border with the weapons. Obama and Holder let the guns cross the border for the sole purpose of saying US guns were the cause of Mexican violence, thus allowing the Dems to ram 2nd amendment restricting legislation through.

So the documents show that Obama knew about the operation. Not good.

That said, I wouldn't vote for either party's candidate. Tweedledee or Tweedledum.

This is equivalent to Iran-Contra that all you liberals screamed about.

This is far worse than Monica and far far worse than the faux scandal about Valerie " Celebrity Undercover CIA Chick" Plame.

This president said he would have the most transparent administration in history. Another Lie

No Hope, No Change, No Second Term.

Tell Officer Terry's family about this witch hunt I am sure they are very supportive of you feisty.

Feisty: Issa pushes forward with his witch hunt...

Bottom line is that all Issa wants to know is who in the federal government ordered the operation that gave 2,500 assault rifles to the Mexican drug cartels resulting in the death of an American Border Border agent as well as countless hundreds of innocent citizens of Mexico.

And Obama claims executive privilege on that simple fact?

Stay tuned...

Partisan idiots need to open their eyes.

I don't like this anymore than I liked the GW administration pulling the same tricks.

Funny how partisan arguing ignores the stench coming from all sides.

Witch hunt, really? FRH you only say that because you are a lemming. Holder needs to answer for the F&F operation. And now his buddy Obama is going to help cover his butt. This is a joke!!!

There was plenty of outrage dummy! We elected Obama for change, not business as usual!

Concerned, please note that the plethora of Obama haters fail to recall what the former president(s) have done with respect to Executive Orders. Not all of this country's problems started 3-1/2 years ago. Not all started 10 years ago. Just sayin ...

So because Bush did it, two wrongs make a right? This is what people are getting sick and tired of. The agent's family would not have any idea how their son died if not for whistleblowers. Obviously they are hiding something or this wouldn't be happening. How does that fact not bother people defending Obama's actions?

Do not collapse Feisty and friends comments, people need to know how gross they are!

For all that don't know this and probably don't because it would be against this administration. The Border Patrol Union wants holder to resign. Read it in the El Paso Times in case one does not believe me. Like you sarah.

I laugh at the same people that cry about all the info being let out, are crying about transparency in government. I like transparency from everybody, both the gop and dem.

Even if it is a right-wing distraction / witch hunt, which most likely it is, don't exacerbate the problem by envoking executive privilige. That just looks bad no matter what.

guns, dope,counterfeit money, real american bucks and subversion, oh my!!! guns, dope, money and subversion has been used by british & american intelligence for hundreds of yrs before obama was born. so why the f----- are u bastards complaining about fast & furious. all the white presidents used these tactics, so why r u so surprised obama is doing the same. this ain't kansas, dorothy. click yo heels 3 times and american foreign policy still will not change

Hypocrisy on parade. Can you imagine if all this was turned around 180 degrees and it was a republican in the white house, instead? Can you imagine the screams and calls for public hanging by the fiesty's of blog-land? This is going to end up being Obama's doom (if they don't manage to make certain documents disappear) The Republican's that are in DC are gradually, one by one, becoming fed up with the arrogance of the left and their contempt for the constitution and their disregard of protocol and the political process.

They are desperately trying to hide something and it will be interesting to see how the parties involved proceed and who ends up begging for a "deal". Bye Obama, bye Holder. Don't let the door hit you in the face on the way out and DON'T take the silver or other property of the taxpayer's when you're packing.

Must be a bunch of damning evidence that otherwise Obama wouldn't be such a coward, Holder needs to go to prison just for not bringing any black panther to justice even though there is tons of evidence is on you tube. Well what did you expect after electing a mob controlled thug from Chicago?

I should add one more insult to the injustice/injury of Fast and Furious:

The border patrolman's family was disallowed "victim" status by the DOJ as they were "not harmed" by the death of their son. Then the DOJ closed the file and won't let it out anymore when freedom of information requests are submitted.

OK Feisty Lefties- IS that ok with you?? Would you feel the same if it was your family?

Trying to blame this on Bush is business as usual in the Obama White House.

So this is the transparency we've been told to expect. Feisty, you're nothing but a troll.

Get your butt off of NV.

Fast and Furious, Solyndra, White House Leaks, Behind the scenes dealing with Russia, unlawful immigration act, beer summit, Black Panther Intimidation, Libya involvement , yeah just what we need four more years of corruption ABO Sarah two different programs, he turned over not even a third of the documents and most of the info was blacked out, who authorized it? Why can't we just know the truth. I thought you were more honest ,I guess I was wrong.

Fast and Furious has been a hot topic for over a year, yet has been largely ignored by First Read and the old Liberal Media.... now it is not only Holder and Obama who are complicit in withholding key evidence of a border agent's murder... but the media is guilty as well!

Exactly what is the purpose of the liberal media if they are allowed to ignore strong evidence of a crime by the "annoited one"?

Sarah , Holder offered to hand over the requested documents? Really, 5% of requested docs is full disclosure? Take a deep breath and try to look at this from the slain border patrol officers family. It stinks!

For all of the TPGOPers out there whining about President Obama not being transparent by releasing these documents--how about Mitt Romney releasing his tax returns for the last 10 years--what is he hiding? Hypocrisy at its finest!

"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

I clearly recall when Bush/Cheney claimed executive privilege over documents concerning the Iraq War--where hundreds of thousands of Americans and innocent Iraqi citizens were killed. Obama did Bush a favor by not releasing those documents when he took office.

Obama should release the Fast & Furious docs and also release those Bush/Cheney docs that were withheld from the people.

Republicans are just nasty. They don't give one whit about the plight of the American people, about the economy. They just want power.

JoeNY

Feisty- Clearly you don't care about the truth. A border partol agent was murdered because the US government created a gun supplying/smuggling scheme, using taxpayer money

Obviously it matters not that this "Fast and Furious" was started under the Bush administration and possibly the gun involved was from 2006 before Obama took office. If only you showed the same concern for the thousands of troops killed in Iraq because of the criminal actions of the Bush administration.

Can you say "Obstruction of Justice"?

Holder offers a "censored portion" of the documents and in turn tries to bargan a deal so the parts he doesn't want to be disclosed can remain sealed. Prior to the last week I would have said Obama was just an "ineffective president", now he is entering the impeachable realm.

What happened to President Obama and his promise of transparency?

I think that this is much like President Clinton saying he did not have sex with Monica

If this were the average citizen we would already be in jail for hampering an investigation.

We are witnessing before our very eyes President Obama's Watergate. In his laudable zeal to protect his friend, he is stepping in a very deep pile of dung.

I hope his misplaced loyalty to this very bad man does not bring a good man down.

Run, Mr. President, run. This guy is toxic, and has been bad for your administration from the word go...

Conservatives are outraged by all of the wrong things.

You should be outraged by the people who actually started this fiasco. You should be outraged by Issa's overreach. You should be outraged by the attempts of Republicans in Congress to compromise government operations.

Get past your hatred of Obama and Holder. Do you even care about the country any more?

The legal basis for the President's assertion of executive privilege is set forth in the enclosed letter to the President from the Attorney General. In brief, the compelled production to Congress of these internal Executive Branch documents generated in the course of the deliberative process concerning the Department's response to congressional oversight and related media inquiries would have significant, damaging consequences.

The "damaging consequences" referenced would be to Holder, and by accountability, Obama for his role in the cover-up!

Brad Cntor- I don't condone the misuse of government for any reason. I don't condone the misuse of our military overseas for payback, I don't condone the misuse of our taxpayer money for pet projects and getting politicians re-elected, and I don't condone the President, Administration, Government Agencies, or Congress maligning the Constitution and laws for their own personal interests and egos.

The Constitution works, it just gets in the way of the President and Congress running rampant against the people. That's why there are three branches- executive, legislative, and judicial, so that they each have some power, but none have overriding power. Congress isn't just supposed to have all the power to implement what they want, so we have Presidential oversight and the Supreme Court inerpreting. The President isn't supposed to decree what he wants, sidestep Congress to get what he wants, intimidate the Supreme Court, and use Presidential "privilege or orders to get what he wants- he's supposed to present interests to Congress and let them write/review. The Supreme Court isn't supposed to determine right and wrong so much as review the Constitution and ask if the cases align with it or not. These checks and balances keep us away from a dictator, a runaway Congress, and an injustice system.

We are in very dangerous times. We are seeing many runs at/around the Constitution and our long standing governmental structure. The primary question we should all be asking is "what is in the best interest of our country" not who's elected and what am I getting out of it. You want that, go to Greece or elsewhere.

Boy, what a difference 4 years make, when Obama first became the lefty's posterboy, if anyone DARED to make a negative comment about him, they attacked like rabid wolves. Now there are just a few hold outs that just can't get over their hopey changey high and continue to defend Obama's failures. It is mindboggling to find out all the lies and cover ups by this administration, all the way from the lies in his autobiographies to his election. What a huge embarrassment he is!

It is executive priviledge to withhold the docs requested. due to reasons that we will never know. Why the outrage? Presidents do this, and have for quite sometime. It might not be ok but it is the way the office is set up. If you dont like it then leave, but do not be outraged about this just because of the party that did it. Grow up morons. Our government is shady and has been since the founders. Are any of you Masons?

Feisty, you are clearly like a mule with blinders on. You say it's a witch hunt, how about what are they hiding? If they've done nothing wrong, why all the stonewalling and at the last minute this?

We are witnessing before our very eyes President Obama's Watergate. In his laudable zeal to protect his friend, he is stepping in a very deep pile of dung.

I hope his misplaced loyalty to this very bad man does not bring a good man down.

Who is protecting whom and who is the "very bad man"? Could easily be Holder OR Obama. "good man"???? Who could you possibly talking about? I think it's obvious Holder is just as ill-motivated as Obama, but Holder is "being the good soldier" and is simply obeying Obama orders and/or is trying to protect Obama and for that loyalty and devotion I guess he's a "good man".

This goes beyond the immediate issues. It does extend toward controlling firearms possession by ordinary people. It is an attempt to subvert the 2nd amendment a little at a time eventually forcing full disarmament of citizens, which is the goal of the lefties.

@Mr. Tom #1.81: You are as full of sh^t as a constipated elephant.

Hey Feisty, that now makes you an accessory to murder, how does it feel?

Some people will stand behind the worst of human kind no matter what. I guess you like your boy dumbo so much that you don't care who he allows to be killed in the name of government.

Ahhh...

I see Barry is using that slick "Bush did it first!" ploy!! Nice!! For all the looney liberals that like to bash Bush, now we find that Obama uses the same defense as Bush... Very interesting...

Witch hunt? If there was nothing to hide why block it?

Ok here's one of my few posts I ever make since I am definitely as politically knowledgeable as you folks. Yes I can look things up but it would look and sound contrived if I started quoting that much stuff.

Here's what I'm seeing and what I remember from when Bush was in office. Pat Tillman's parents started hearing rumors that he (Pat) was killed by friendly fire. Every "nice" avenue they took they were stopped almost as fast as they started. So, here comes an attorney to help them and just when they think it's coming to an end The then President Bush said sorry you can't learn the truth. Kinda sounds like Nicholson "You can't handle the truth". There were many invocations by Bush (and Clinton) that some of us thought they were Pastors. So why is the Republican Party and it's backers so up in arms about this one? Yes, it's sad that a border patrol agent was killed, but why is different here than the Tillman case?

See, it doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, you will defend your side. I like reading the posts when people are debating the issues, but when either side starts in with name calling, it looks more like the adults left their computer on and their 12 year olds get on and just start slinging personal insults. If you take offense to what I'm saying great let's talk about the issue. If you want to start calling names, go back to grade school and grow up.

Another post from the average guy who, at times seems more grown up than may on here. If you want to collapse me because I'm a Liberal, have fun. If you just don't like the fact that I'm telling some of you to grow up and talk about the issues, then, well maybe some of the rest of you need to collapse them.

What your hearing from our President is leadership. Republicans keep trying to derail our President on anything they can, we pay for this wasted time. Enough information was already supplied. What are Republicans doing about jobs, taxes, economy, flat wages, all the things that matter to working middle class United States citizens. Or is their a middle class anymore? Republican party and some democrats are trying their best to move this country backwards with wasted time on issues like this.

I just can't wait for tomorrow's "SPIN" here on MSDNC with a new "poll" declaring the majority of U.S. citizens support this desperate move by Barack Obama ! It should be priceless !!

The only reason for Obama to exert Executive Privilege is if HE HIMSELF was involved- otherwise it does not apply!

This E.P. is nothing more than an admission of guilt! If Obama had nothing to do with it- and based off his past- he would have easily thrown Holder under the bus. Since he didn't and E.P. only extends to the POTUS- it says he (Obama) had his hand in the death of Brian Terry.

His family deserves the truth as to what happened to their son. And since when is the POTUS above the law??? When did that happen? When the AG become that important as to be above the law as well???

You know what's interesting?? How does Crazy Feisty always get the first post on all these news items??

Either an inside job or just a crazy libbie with too much free time on their hands...

Issa said he wanted to get to the bottom of this even if he had to investigate the Bush administration which, of course, he hasn't done. If he had, he would have found that Obama continued a policy that originated in the previous administration or worse yet that there wasn't an actual policy but rather a decision in the field to do this.The whole focus would switch to the previous administration and Issa wouldn't want that. By charging Holder with contempt and locking horns with the President, the Republicans will have opened pandoras box and have no control out of what comes out. By all means Mr. Issa, keep on keepin' on.

Yup... Another Feisty Red Troll at the top of the comments... Just like everyone says... She can't understand normal thinking...

Hey Redhead how are the murders going in your state?

Carl Lafoon

The only thing Fast and Furious is the Republicans trying to find something they can use as a Campaign theme.

And now, thanks to Dear Leader, we have it.

I wonder what is in those documents that could be so damaging to Obama that he will open himself up to what is sure to become his Watergate.

What are you hiding Mr President? No matter what it is this lowers your chances of reelection in November.

Fact: Clinton used Executive Privilege more than all recent Republicans

strmz- Republicans keep trying to derail our President on anything they can, we pay for this wasted time.

Are you seriously saying that investigating the MURDER of a US Border Agent by the Mexican Drug Cartel using American Guns supplied by the American Government is NOT worth investigating- all because your crush on your boy Obama overwhelms you and should take precedence over the law??!!

That has to be one of the dumest things I have read all day!

@ Fiesty Moron

You must be a complete moron, or you are being paid to cause drama on the blog. Why don't you get a real job and stop trolling around all the blogs to be "first" to post.

2012 Anyone but Obummer

And Mac Forrester, again you demonstrate your foul mouth and low breeding. I'll chalk that up to a public education and a lack of gainful employment.

If you think this is a witch hunt, then what are they hiding? Only rats and cockroaches scurry from the light of day.

I'm cautious about the entire political class...and vote not by party, but by who I think might do the best job regardless of party.

I read and listen, and in the past 3 years just cannot find or see things our President is doing or not doing that are so wrong, so egregious, that people would start calling for impeachment or worse. Could other factors, beside an honest analysis of our domestic and foreign issues, be at work here? Ideology, racism, stupidity?

Seriously, why can't people be honest and give the President credit where credit is due, and keep criticism to the ballot box...and an informative and collegial of social comments. Can anyone on this chain honestly tell me how John McCain and Sarah Pallin would have altered the events in the Mideast, and turned the entire domestic and global economies around? Facts, actions, not "anyone would be better than this President". Really?

Give me (us) something real, something factual, anything but blaming the other guy for problems that are global and unfortunetly not even being addressed effectively because of all the noise and nonsense.

I know, Mitt now has all the right solutions. What was I thinking?

Don't you find it strange that MSNBC would receive a copy of a White House letter to the Committee? Not if you realize Obama is attempting to do better at playing the game. His attempts to do so on TV have failed miserable, so he is upping the ante.

Frankly, I don't care if they published the letter, we don't know the content of the letter is 100% accurate.

This is another nail in Obama's re-election coffin. This incident is only one in a series of incidents along the border where the Border agent is the one who ends up getting the shaft. This time it was with his life, but there are other, and the border states are not the least bit happy with Obama's policy and decisions concerning their states. More votes will be lost by this. Who is he going to cow tow to next to make up for those voters? Inquiring minds want to know.........

lancesackless11 - I did an experiment a little while back and here are my findings...

Fisted by her own petard. Here is the trick to being first on First Read:

1. Free up your calendar, like alot, very easy for some.

2. Sit on FR and hit F5 until a new article pops up. Took me 30 minutes for it to pop up.

3. Don't read, scroll directly to the comments and post nonsense just as a place holder, like a "." as Fisty does.

4. Go back and read the article.

5. Go back and edit your original comment with more nonsense.

6. Bask in the internets warm glowing warming glow.

and the neo-cons whined "off with their heads!" as they failed to realize their memories are even shorter than their tiny pen.... well you know

I don't get it.....Guns went across the border to quench Mexico's appetite for firearms.....Mexicans got killed...Big deal........It's just like Chicago.

It's official, now we can all stop hoping for change, even those who have been blindly holding on to the possibility. This administration has been, is, and will be no different from any other. Politics as usual.

the assertion of executive privilege means only one thing; the orders came from the white house, period.

No director, no supervisor, no depty. attorney general, no attorney general would go along with fast and furious, unless it came from the highest authority; Obama himself would be the only one to authorize this un-believable attempt to convince America that the violence in Mexico was being caused by our so called lax gun laws.

we are now dealing with a situation that could lead to a call for impeachment.

Remember how the Republicans promised jobs, jobs, jobs! in 2010? This is what they have actually done since then...

For the Record....Republican Bills introduced into Congress since 2010

44 Bills..........on Abortion
99 Bills..........on Religion
71 Bills .........on Family Relationships
36 Bills..........on Marriage
67 Bills..........on Firearms/Gun Control
522 Bills........on Lowering Corporate Tax
445 Bills........on Government Investigations

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Romney doesn't want to tell me what he'll do about immigration? Fine. I'll just review what I ALREADY KNOW about him ...

-- is against a woman's right to choose
-- is for the death penalty
-- avoided the draft while "supporting" the Vietnam war
-- has five sons who also never served but says he "supports" the Iraq & Afghanistan wars
-- bullied (to the point of assault) one of his schoolmates
-- dressed up in police uniforms to harass motorists
-- treated his own dog inhumanely
-- is against regulations to keep natural resources safe
-- will cut public assistance for the old and very poor
-- will cut public education
-- will cut police services
-- will cut fire services
-- will cut (Ben Franklin's) public libraries
-- will put profit in formerly public services (fee's, lots of fee's)
-- will bust unions
-- will cut taxes for the wealthiest 1%
-- hoards his money in offshore bank accounts
-- refuses to reveal his tax returns
-- is against regulations to keep Wall Street honest
-- made thousands of Americans jobless and homeless with Bain Capital
-- can't stop talking about his friends who own things
-- can't relate to ordinary people
-- has corporations for friends!
-- owns five homes (the 6th in Canada is co-owned with brothers)
-- won't tell us what he really stands for

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And this quote I saw over at DailyKos: John Kenneth Galbraith wrote in 1977

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage. Intellectual myopia, often called stupidity, is no doubt a reason. But the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-given right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing compared with that of the rich." from The Age of Uncertainty.

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And you know what Republican kiss ups say - we're just jealous of their money. So simple, so wrong. And these GOP supporters help no one, especially themselves, by voting in these bastards.

Repubs= Not one second spent creating Jobs. Thats because their corporate masters have them all in China, Mexico, and Malaysia.

In defense of Obama, I cant really blame him for fighting back on this. Repubs are not interested in working for America, they are only interested in stone walling and bringing down this administration, no matter the cost to America. The economy is on life support and this is what they do?

These idiots would rather sink the ship then allow the Dems a single victory. And by victory I mean fixing anything or creating any jobs. Or helping the economy in any way.. Contrary to everything they promised to do. This isnt a damn game, peoples lives are actually on the line.

If you lose you home or business because the economy is in the dumps, just remember who was working to keep it that way the last 4 years.

Regardless of what Obama has or hasnt done, this is what the Repubs have done since 2008. NOTHING but try to stonewall the recovery. And stonewall the government.

...didn't take the boozy red-headed broad to endorse Prez-0's govt criminal cover up.

....guess its only OK when its the democraps.

Fiesty..You are amazing.. You want to be first to drop your smelly little bombs but when you are openly challenged by someone that makes a valid argument you run away. I wonder how much time you spend on the computer each day? If you are at work then you are cheating your employer, if you don't work try getting out and experience the real world and maybe your views would widen....

Hey Redhead how are the murders going in your state?

I'm sure she'd say "Rahm is doing a great job......."

No doubt on the MSNBC payroll.

So the president doesn't want the fact he and Holder tried to get rid of the second amendment to become public. Big surprise. I knew it wouldn't happen, but I thank Issa for sticking to his guns. That's new and refreshing to see as the left erodes our rights, breaks the laws and walks on the constitution as no one does anthing about it. A conservative would be in empeachment by now. I guess many on the right just want to get elected and stand and watch as Obama rules as king.

To all of you who keep asking the question (paraphrasing) ” What is the President hiding?” or infer that the release of the documents in question would implicate him somehow, let me ask you a question. Did it ever occur to you that there could be sensitive real-world intel contained in these documents that, if released and then subsequently leaked, that could endanger even more lives? There are most likely names of active participants, U.S. operatives and bad guys alike in those documents. If some unscrupulous government official from either party (yeah, that’s quite a stretch of the imagination, huh? - note sarcasm) leaked sensitive info to the “wrong people” for their own personal gain, then we could conceivably have a REAL crisis on our hands.

Could these documents implicate the President somehow? Perhaps, but I for one strongly doubt it. Truth is, NONE OF US knows what these documents contain.

To Fiesty and all the lefty crybaby whiners on here; the fact is your boys got caught in lies and now they have to cover it up or look even worse, if that is possible, during the election. Either Holder lied about what Obama and his crew knew, or Holder lied about what he knew and when he knew it and is now trying to cover it up under the guise of Executive privilege.

If this goes to the SCOTUS Obama will loose depending on what he is trying to claim is covered under executive privledge. Regardless, Both him and his boy Holder lied in statements to the people and Holder before Congress and this will bite deep in the coming months.

The fact is a BP Officer was killed by illegals using guns they received by an idiotic plan by the ATF to trace guns they sold to gun traffickers. The only thing this Administration should have been doing from the start is identifying who started the Operation who okayed it and who signed off on it all down the line and bring those people forward to answer for what they did.

If this was a military operation they would have already relieved the Commanding General in charge of that department and purged as far up the line as they could.

Instead the administration does just the opposite and tries to hide the facts by stonewalling for over 18 months, lying time after time and now with trying to invoke executive privilege. Just more proof that Obama did nothing more than pay lip service about transparency among other things.

A failed Administration and can't wait to see him get his azz handed to him in Nov.

Fiesty is as ignorant as they come when it comes to politics and only toes the party line. Her head is so deep in her fourth point of contact that she couldn't pull it out with a wench!!!!!

Red is a troll, possibly employed by MSN to create a "buzz" with the stories. Sad but a possibility.

Holder, what to say about him...hmmmm how about: he should be prosecuted and thrown into general population....but let him take with him the overall responsible party.....can you guess who may have signed the order to move forth with their "fast and furious" plan? You see, if you step out of your "fanatical party mindset" (Dems/Repubs) and look at the factual data you may....not a definite...but may be able to actually make an educated statement and have a usable opinion...maybe.

It is not a witch hunt, a witch hunt would require lack of evidence or made up evidence when that is not the case, there is/was actual evidence against Holder for the fiasco of the F&F. A border patrol agent lost his life, a family had to hear that because of our gov. that their family member had to die...worthlessly!

Holder came out and told Congress that he wants to make a "compromise to a compromise" which means "I dont want to give you paperwork that has the presidents name on it because I will get in even more trouble and not have any money when it is all said and done". The congressional investigation demanded the paperwork and Holder proceeded to side step and not answer questions nor provide the required paperwork..hence the contempt charge/hearing happening this week (i believe).

So Holder's compromise was "I will give you SOME of the papers but only if you ignore these papers over here" which should have had this as a retort "How about you give us all of the paperwork or we send you to a maximum security prison and put you in general population?" and see how fast he was ready to make a new deal! This man is a cancer and his "boss" is a bigger cancer on the heart of America. This is sad

So all of you "Obama is a victim here/He adopted all of these problems when he took office/he made a change/ he is the only good president" I say that I hope you get everything that you THINK he is going to provide to you, maybe even more..... I hope he takes care of you like he took care of his State when he was in office......you see how well off they are now? Good luck to you all, you deserve everything you get

Here is something for Feisty and her ilk to suck on:

I can't wait to read how she spins it!!

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Once again, we see Obama and his clingons desperately trying to pretend the Emperor has clothes.

Once again, I quote right from the horse's ASS:

“I think we will determine over the next several weeks how this administration (President Bush) responds to the very appropriate call by Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, to have these individuals come in and testify, Obama said in 2007. “There‘s been a tendency on the part of this administration to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taken place. I think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved with the U.S. Attorney… There doesn’t same to be any justification for not offering up some clear, plausible rationale for why these U.S. Attorneys were targeted when by all assessments they were doing an outstanding job.”

“I think the American people deserve to know what was going on,” Obama added.

"Going forward, anytime the American people want to know something that I or a former president wants to withhold, we will have to consult with the Attorney General and the white house counsel, whose business it is to ensure compliance with the rule of law. Information will not be withheld just because I say so; it will be withheld because a separate authority believes my request is well-grounded in the Constitution. Let me say it as simply as I can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency,"

The mindless MORONS who continue to support this ass hole in the WH deserve nothing but the contempt of the whole world!

What slime bag

Pssst,pssst, Umm, ahh, All you President Obama haters wanna know why the President invoked EP? Feisty. Yep. Feisty told Him to. Said it would aggravate the hell outta you splinter heads. She was right. She's always right. Hee, hee, Now you know.

Mr.Tom #1.108: First you gotta be sober enough to know the difference between night and day.

The mob boss covers up for his head criminal........Gee,..I never saw that coming.....what with all the 'transparency' going on around this administration..........starting to make Nixon look honest in comparison.......must be bush's fault,too.............U.S.Army Disabled Veteran

So the President has something to hide. It cannot be a National Defense secret because the White House freely leaks that information. I can only assume that it is Presidential knowledge and approval of justice department actions. Maybe it is something more sinister.

All of this mess started with the 43rd President and his A.G. Mukasey (Operation Wide Receiver). Since the 43rd President had a penchant for leaving things unsupervised, Fast and Furious carried through with only mid-level, cowboy mentality "supervision". Attorney General Holder cannnot be expected to know everything that goes on at every level of the Justice Dept. When unfortunate, unforseen consequences did arise, Holder took swift, decisive action.

Representative Issa declared, before he was sworn in, that there would be "seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks". While this may make him the hardest working Teapublican in Congress, it certainly doesn't make him the most efficient. His albatross hanging expedition is as weak as it transparent as the electorate wishes the obstructionist Teapublicans would pass an infrastructure and jobs bill to help the economy keep growing.

@ForePlinger# 1.129: Couldn't agree with you more. Republicans always bring out the sh^t bags to bring the hounds in, especially during an election. The real hatefulness of it is though, this chicken sh^t Issa is trying to make political hay out of the death of a border guard. That sum-bitch needs to be caned. Regards

our government just gets gooder and gooder all the time! obama is hiding something! desparate to get re-elected. i side with Doug Burton with his wondering and questioning WHY obama would want to use his executive priviledge. Holding must be in obama's inner circle and obama is trying to protect him. something funny going on here. we need to keep alert and on top of this situation since we are paying for it.

I hope they send that racist ass of an Attorney General to jail.

Now Obama has another president that he can claim to be just like: NIXON!

Why was Myspellchecker collapsed? He comes in peace and harms no one. This is an injustice of epic proportions.

Let's say the Bush administration was the author of the original Fast and Furious operation, isn't THAT reason enough for the liberals to suspect something is being covered up? Why would Holder want to protect Bush? Let's see the papers.

nurse-1006475

"For all of the TPGOPers out there whining about President Obama not being transparent by releasing these documents--how about Mitt Romney releasing his tax returns for the last 10 years--what is he hiding? Hypocrisy at its finest!"

And that has WHAT to do with running guns, Mexican Cartels and a murder?

I got collapsed?!?! (Comment #1.11). I guess the truth hurts around here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc

President Obama's words on executive privilege.

HEY OBAMA, what goes around comes around! i lost all respect for you, the last 4 years what have you done for US really!

OBAMA's administration is a RUSE, A SHAM, and guess what folks, we will be paying for this many years to come. no nation can survive a transparent administration. OBAMA needs to go!

Maybe the President should be invoking the 5th rather than executive privilege.

I'm against this Policy period, regardless of who is invoking it. To my way of thinking, "Executive Priviledge" is nothing more than a way for a President to hide wrongdoings by Agents of the Government.

I can't really remember how or why, but I recall both Shrub Jr. and Clinton using it on several occasions and I remember thinking the same thing I do now.

"This sucks big time".

When all is said and done, Obama is now hiding behind the power of his Office. And I wouldn't give a damn if George freakin' Washington used this priviledge while in Office. It doesn't make OBAMA using it okay or right.

Why is that always the Left's argument? "But he did it"!

And why do you Righties always scream and cry about Obama doing the very same @!$%# that your Presidents have done? "Do as we say and not as we do and did"!

It's wrong regardless of who is doing it. I mean, let's be real here. The hypocrisy being shown by both sides is mind boggling. That both sides do not recognize the hypocrisy is even more mind boggling.The Right is of course screaming about this nonsense and rightfully so.

Except for one small detail.

Coming from them, it's like hearing Pablo Escobar give an Anti Drug speech. Could just be me, but somewhere the message get's lost behind all the...bull@!$%#.....the Politics.

The bottom line is, right or wrong, Obama is using the same bull@!$%# Priviledge that the Republicans practically invented and patented. And if it's good for the goose, than it has to be good for the gander. But in the end, that doesn't make it right and this is a Policy that needs to be revised. It's nothing more than a shield to hide their wrong -or dare say illegal- actions.

I am a solid Independant who thinks and believes that both Parties are absolutely full of @!$%# and corrupt to the point of no return. I wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ or Santa Clause if either was affiliated with either Party. I'd vote for Charles Manson first. At least with him, you know what you are getting.

All of you people preaching your Party Lines need to wake up. Your sitting here yapping back and forth about @!$%# that in the end not only effects everybody, but is in fact a danger to everybody. Everybody, regardless of Political affiliation. Do you people not see and understand that?

When all is said and done, Obama and his people really @!$%#ed up here and they know it. I think all the impeachment talk is bull@!$%# though and it's nothing more than Politics. Everybody involved knows thats not going to happen......

And I approve of neither....

Feisty Redhead,

For 18 months Mr. Obama has not invoked Executive Privilege in relation to this and now, he suddenly does.

Something STINKS and its coming from the White House and the DOJ.The most transparent administration ever? What a JOKE!

I expected more from Obama - obviously he knew more than he wants to admit in an election year. Obama certainly can talk the talk but not walk the walk! Totally disappointed in his lack of honesty.

Sorry Da Noid, but hypocrisy is hypocrisy, no matter which party perpetrates it. The diffference being, of course, that Obama promised transparancy and "change."

Of all the times during his term to invoke executive privilege, he chooses to use it to cover up his failings? He's finally growing a pair, but only to save himself.

Obama = Dick Nixon.

Implosion from the inside.

Amazing, Our President determines he needs to either "protect and or hide information that links the "DOJ and "WH" to a program that has led to a Border Agents death and unknown number of deaths of Mexican citizens. I am so glad of his "Policy of Transparency". What a joke!

Can't wait for liberals and "progressives" to cheer Obama's "pragmatic decision making" and "leadership" skills for covering up the incompetent and criminal behavior of his administration.

White Water, Chaney's secret Energy Cabal, Thousand dollar toilet seats, White House tapes, on and on. This is how it works. The party out of power will use House hearings to try to embarrass the incumbent administration.

Don't expect changes any time soon.

When any president invokes executive privilege they have something to hide. I thought Obama promised a transparent administration when he was running for office. Now he and his pal Holder are trying to cover their tracks. Feisty calls it a witch hunt by the GOP, but this is about the death of an American citizen. If they have done nothing wrong why not share the information with congress?

This is good news for the GOP and another black eye for the Obama administration. Hope and Change will now be Hope They Don't Catch Us!!!

As much as your guys dislike Bush, you sure find millions of ways to compare him to Obama with your "Well, Bush did it too..." excuses.

Darrell Issa is *America's* Congressman!!

Morgs74- Clearly you don't have an interest in the subject. If you cared about your individual rights you'd realize that letting the government create a situation to suit their intended actions only leads to a loss of your choices and rights. It's not a partisan issue, it's a Constitutional, keeping government in check issue.

How about a few different examples of government intervention that might relate to you:

Now we are big into environmentalism, or so they say. There are many sources of electricity in use today that many claim are polluting, toxic, or environmentally insensitive- coal power, nuclear, natural gas, etc. The government lately has been setting up regulations to shut those offenders down, not allow new plants to be built, etc. eventhough they didn't set up a system to pick up the remaining power requirements in our country. The result- we'll have a huge number of power plants shut down, large holes in our power grid, even bigger impacts when plants go down for many reasons, and no means to fill in the holes. That leads to much higher power costs because you are pushing power longer distances and at a reduced rate, much higher odds of brown outs or black outs, and a lot of people at risk dying from no a/c or heat when they need it. So the government didn't exactly get thier "ducks in a row" about the transition to clean power, oh well the American people will just grin and bear it right?

How about prohibition? What is the administration came out with "drinking is bad for you, so we're going to ban alcohol because it drives up the costs of healthcare". OK, no more alcohol. How'd that go over last time? Oh yeah, the people didn't really agree and a whole underground system of organized crime and illegal booze trafficing started.

This scandal is of the magnitude of Iran Contra.

Far worse than Monica ( except for Clinton lying under oath)

Far Far worse than the faux scandal of Valerie " Celebrity CIA Chick" Plame

Obama promised the most transparent administration in history. He lied

No Hope. No Change. No Second Term

chilled,

What does race have to do with this? It was wrong when Bush did it, and its wrong now. This just makes the President look bad. Action speaks louder then words.

Transparency anyone?

What's the problem with releasing the documents to the Congress? It sure looks like they are hiding something. Obama has jumped into the now the fight now. This just adds to the list of things Obama has done that crosses the line.

President Clinton invoked executive privilege to cover his sorry a$$ for his womanizing. So you lefties are right. They all do it. Some for better reasons than others. When an American citizen protecting our borders dies from a government program gone bad, I think all Americans have a right to know why.

Nice going Mr. President. You just dipped your hands in the blood of a federal agent by covering up his murder. Our POTUS once again proves he is a criminal no different than the ones who came before him.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... it's probably a duck.

The corruption goes straight to the Oval Office!

Officer Terry was murdered with Holder's weapons, and the White House is complicit in the crime!

pjam, at least this way he doesn't have to wait for someone to be convicted of something and then commute the sentence like bush did with libby. can't take it when it's not your party doing it?

hopeychangeyfeely- bush was doing it and supported your views, obama does it and supports democratic views. both sides are hypocrites.

Obviously, the current black President will not be allowed to do what the previous white President did!

Chilled-

Get off of the race issue and grow up.

Caught in a bold face lie...either this is not executive discourse or Obama lied when he said he knew nothing about F&F. No matter what, Obama's in deep, deep trouble. Can you say Nixon?

Holder is just trying to cover for the Bush administration

The first gun-walking probe, said the report, was Operation Wide Receiver, in which ATF agents, for over a year starting in 2006, watched traffickers buying guns from a gun dealer and driving them across the border into Mexico. According to a memo by William Newell, who was in charge of the Phoenix division at the time, one of the suspects told the gun dealer that the "firearms are going to his boss in Tijuana, Mexico, where some are given out as gifts." ATF officials believed they had sufficient evidence to arrest and charge the suspects, but as one agent said at the time, "we want it all," according to an email between two ATF supervisors in Arizona.

A year after Wide Receiver began, ATF initiated attempts to coordinate with Mexican officials. Numerous attempts at cross-border interdiction failed, according to the Democrats' report, with ATF agents expressing concern over the operation.

In a 2007 case, ATF agents targeted Fidel Hernandez and several alleged co-conspirators who purchased more than 200 firearms and were believed to be transporting them into Mexico.

William Hoover, then ATF's assistant director of field operations, temporarily halted operations after being informed of several attempts at coordinating with Mexican law enforcement authorities.

The defendants were brought to trial in 2009, but acquitted after prosecutors were unable to obtain the cooperation of the Mexican law enforcement officials who had recovered firearms purchased by Hernandez.

In a 2008 case, ATF agents in Phoenix focused for a year on a network of illicit gun buyers who were purchasing weapons from the same gun dealer who had cooperated in Operation Wide Receiver.

Members of the network, led by Alejandro Medrano, were eventually sentenced to multiyear prison terms for trafficking more than 100 firearms to a Mexican drug cartel.

In Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents in Phoenix late in 2009 identified a network of more than 20 straw purchasers believed to be trafficking military-grade assault weapons to Mexican drug cartels. Twenty people were charged in the case.

ATF Deputy Director William Hoover became concerned about the number of firearms involved in the case and ordered a strategy for the investigation to be brought to an end. Newell in Phoenix expressed frustration with ATF headquarters in Washington and "the operation continued to grow and expand rather than wind down over the months to follow," the Democrats' report said.

Race has nothing of to add to this story, don't drag it into it. Hundreds of people have died because of the "Fast and Furious" debacle. And now we have a President and DOJ that have denied NO WH involvement in this issue and NOW they claim "Executive Privilege", That must mean the WH is very much involved along with the DOJ from the very start. Transparency !

Obama pledged to run the most transparent administration in history, and just like everything else he promised to do, this is another complete and total failure. We have national security leaks, a cover up of Fast and Furious, and presidential actions that ignore the rule of law on immigration. Why would anyone not trust the Obama administration with such a track record? No independent investigator for the leaks and executive privilege for Fast and Furious, makes you wonder what Obama is trying to hide.

Larry no one wants to remember that!

Rick, Bush used executive privilege to protect a child molester.

Ah the writing on the wall is now clearing.... all hands are in the cookie jar! I'd love to see Mexico bring charges

Translation of letter: "We tried to work with you. We told you to sit down and shut up and you didn't do it. So, now we are going to scream at the top of our lungs SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!" Of course, the administration is consistent. The Courts told the administration to stop the moratorium on drilling in the Gulf. The administration's response was SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! The Dream Act failed to pass the House or the Senate. The administration's response was SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! The Congress failed to pass legislation regulating the gas we exhale from our mouths every 5 seconds. The administration's response was SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! It's time for the people of the United States who love this country and the Constitution that protects our liberties to tell this President to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! We get that opportunity in 5 months.

Hey Spanky

You want to talk Dick Nixon

Nixon the Republican was a criminal. He broke the law and was willing to bribe, burgle, wiretap, lie and extort for political gain. Somewhere along his dark path of consuming paranoia and the cover-up is was
worse than the crime

Beyond the obvious, Nixon the Republican and the Watergate episode did great, perhaps irreparable, harm to the American spirit. as well as trust in authority and faith in governmental institutions. The American flag suddenly looked shabby and soiled thanks to Dick Nixon.

I don’t see it here in this case.

The DOJ is balking at releasing information on active investigations to maintain the integrity of the investigations and people are upset. "Fast and Furious" is an extension of operation "Wide Reciever". Even though the previous administrations gun walking operation had enough credible evidence the AG never sought charges against anyone. Not until 2009 did the DOJ actually start the process of trying these alleged criminals. Instead of jumping to conclusions to meet your ends how about a little background on what your talking about. There are undercover agents that could be exposed if certain documents are leaked. Some people actually care about our clandestine efforts to thwart criminal activity against our nation and aren't solely concerned with scoring partisan points.

I would say Obama's actions are UNBELIEVEABLE ... but actually, they are truly predictable !

The deliberate, willful obstruction of a Congressional investigation by the President of the United States is totally appalling. Knowing who authorized this gun-walking program is important to our border security and to the family of the slain agent.

Perhaps, Obama himself has authorized this program and now he is only covering his own political ass.

Obama simply feels he is without oversight. This is Obama covering up a botched operation by his organization plain and simple. No other explination...period.

Bev, Scott is no more engaged in voter supression then the New Blacq Panthers are, just ask Holder...difference is Scott is actually trying to do what every state is required to do annually, purge the voting rolls of ineligible and deceased voters.

JoeNY - Clearly you don't have any comprehension of my post or position. Won't bother commenting on the rest.

What are you hiding Mr President? No matter what it is this lowers your chances of reelection in November.

The losers here is the family of Agent Brian Terry and the thousands of innocent Mexico citizens who were killed by this program and who still cannot get answers on who in the government made this decision that ultimately resulting in his death and thousands of Mexican citizens death.

Sorry President Obama, all I can say is you and Eric Holder are jerks. And frankly you don't care about anyone but yourself.

For the posters on this that state its only fair because Pres Bush/Clinton whomever invoked Executive privilege. The difference between them and Pres Obama, no one died. Think about it....NO ONE DIED!!!!

Libby wasn't guilty of anything other than lying to the grand jury. Valerie Plame was outed by Libby, that was the guy at the DoD who outed her. That guy was a DEMOCRAT. Libby's trial was a politically driven stunt.

Little kid playing with a Barrack Obama talking doll...

Pulls string... "It's George Bush's fault. It's George Bush's fault."

Pulls string again... "It's George Bush's fault. It's George Bush's fault."

A third time, the same thing... "It's George Bush's fault. It's George Bush's fault."

Kid throws the doll into the corner because there is nothing new. It just repeats the same thing.

Another child finds the doll laying in the corner some time later and pulls the string....

"George Bush did it too. George Bush did it too"

All you need is the right puppet master.

Let Holder FIRE Florida govenor Rick Scott for voter supression

Beaver from Chicago... you apparently don't recognize the real issue being discussed... yet again!

Have you and carrot top brough out the race card yet? If not, I have no doubt you will!

Larry....are you serious? This admin has done nothing but blame Bush for any problem they come up against and cannot deal with...they would love to put this on Bush.

I wonder what Obama's definition of "transparent" is? I am really disappointed in him.

I am listening to c-span3 right now. When the democratic representative says NO AG has ever been held in contempt. I suggest they all rent All The Presidents Men. Because the democratic side of this sounds like Watergate Redux. They are using the sane tactics and even the same words Nixon and his merry men used. Deja vu.

This looks so bad for the administration...oh, well...they deserve what they get...Obama's hope for re-election has just changed...he hopes he is not impeached as this unfolds...people will talk and when they do, it's all down hill and no brakes.

Holder's going to get conempt charges.

The President is covering for Holder because he needs Holder to control the agents and process of reviewing the "leak" scandal as well as others. If the President doesn't control the DOJ, then he looses control of the news through the elections. Face it, he no longer allows questions from the press and press conferences. His administration leads you to the websites of allies for "official" answers on topics. His administration promotes their victories (access to classified materials, talking about elite units, etc.) until challenged for overstepping national security, etc. and then cover up and blame others.

He does have the media working for him though. Unless the media steps up and finally calls foul the President will have a lot of room to do as he wishes through November. If he keeps power he'll close a lot of the opportunities to look into what he's doing because he's set until he walks out.

Anyone notice that the Black Caucus called "racism" over investigating the leaks? I find it truly sad that politicians don't care at all about the cause (the welfare of the US) and only care about political hackery. They would have you believe that ANY criticism, any questions, any inquiries are based on the color of the President's skin. No dear caucus members, that's not what we are concerned about- we are concerned with the color of his beliefs and actions (marxist, big government, big spending, big control, etc.).

Witchking Yes Nixon was a crook but he also ended a war started by democrats, one that killed over 3 million people.

The big difference between what Nixon did and what Obama is doing is people got killed over what this administration did. No one died under watergate. A logical person would see which is worse. To bad you don't.

Transparency. It's there...just not the transparency he promised before he took office.

*Mental note: Promises that sound too good to be true...ARE.

for those who say no one died when Bush did it then go ask the families of 911 and the iraq soliders families who lost there lives.iam not saying Obama is right here.many have died because of the Bush admin for what because he falsefied docs to make it look like there were weapons of mass distruction then tried to cover it up.so there are no rights or wrongs here they are the ones in charge so deal with it.by the way romney will cover his butt allot if hes elected.you think u smell something bad now just wait if by some devastion he is elected were all doomed.i will know the end is near.

Why thw WORLD hates us!

The US bought and paid for corrupt Government can't run our own country, yet, is involved in illegal activities involved all over the world!

Obama is covering up for the incompetent BATFE idiots responsible for the Fast and Furious lunacy. And thus the culture of irresponsibility and incompetence in US government continues. People were killed with weapons provided by BATFE and NOBODY got even a slap on the wrist... simply unimaginable!

Obama pulling a Bush, I see.

Unbelievable! People who still think Obama is the best, keep bringing Bush into everything and never fail to say how much worse he was. Let me tell you that Bush was what Obama never will be, and that is a people person, Bush loves this country, would never call us lazy Americans, would actually talk with people, whereas Obama always makes it very clear he is not talking to people, period!!! Once in a while he'll have a picture where he actually puts on a smile (rare for him) just to have it published, but that's it! When the oil spill happened he came to our beach to check it out, for 10 seconds, what you saw on the news is all he done, nothing more! People wanted to talk with him and he really told them no! Bush would have talked with the people he would have shown emotions! Obama has no emotions, he is cold as ice! Just check out his face it's hard and icy! That is how he works, and he is hiding something about the situation with Eric Holder, it is obvious! How much more does this administration have to screw up before people realize that we are in deep deep trouble as a country and as free Americans!? How much more???!!! How much more will the media be able to publish about it before Obama stops it all, as he has stopped FOX news with reports already. He does as he says if no one agrees he will go over their heads. He will decide, is anyone listening when he says that, he has said it so many times, that i just don't understand that people don't worry about that. I have worried about this man the first time I saw him on TV saying he is running, and now I know why I was worried. Eric Holder is only one of the things that is concerning to me, but this should tell us all to research deeper before casting our votes in November, once he is back in, we are doomed and I can see it coming. Talks with Putin that we did not hear much about and other talks, same with Holder, it will be swept under the rug, guaranteed! This president has one agenda and it's not for this country and its people!

For every liberal on here. American history didn't start in 2000. AG John Mitchel was forced to resign and almost imprisoned for refusing the special prosecutors request for documents Chuck Colson and HR Haldeman did end up in Prison. The White House and the AG are not exempt from congressional oversight. The words I hear from the democrats on the committee are exactly the words we heard from the Nixon White House and the tactics the president uses are exactly the same as the Nixon White House I suggest you all rent All The Presidents Men. Good movie about a time when news services weren't bought and paid for by the Republican and Democratic parties Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman as the reporters. This Independent is completely sick of both your parties.

Classic Washington pissing contest, nothing more or less.

Each side is dug in for the long haul and nothing will be accomplished other than the American public witnessing our elected and appointed officials behaving like children.

Shame on everyone in this fiasco.

If someone is going to attempt to claim a privilege then you need to specifically identify the documents as well as the privilege you assert for the documents. Here - the privilege has not been properly asserted under any interpretation of the Rules of Civil or Criminal Procedure- now - this is not a court, but the rules are the rules and it is likely a court would hold that the President needs to follow that established procedure every lawyer knows, include him supposedly even though he no longer holds a license to practice law, and Holder and his crew.

You are telling me that they had no idea that these documents would be privileged? And that this whole effort to 'work out a deal' was nothing but a charade until the deadline came and there is their claim of privilege?

Why don't you Liberals want to know the truth, what happened to this country? If it was your son or daughter or husband or wife wouldn't you like to know what happened. When did it become all right for our Govt. to lie and conceal things from us regardless of who was in charge. You want mediocrity in charge you have it. You call it a witch hunt trying to find the truth what kind of a person are you? We are Americans first or so I thought.

Larry and the rest of you libs

From an article by Andrew McCarthy:

"Wide receiver actually involved not gun walking but "controlled delivery". Unlike gun walking, which seems (for good reason) to have been unheard of until Fast & Furious, controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic. Basically the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself or illegal for them to have/use.... The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question". Some guns were lost and the program was shut down. Wide receiver was also a joint venture with the Mexican govermnet, Fast & Furious was a lone act by our government.

"To the contrary, Fast & Furiuos involved uncontrolled deliveries -- (thousands of weapons). It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed guns to be sold to straw purchasers-- often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales. The straw purchasers were not followed, no agents were on hand to make arrests. When Eric Holder was shown the contrast betwween the two programs he concede "I'm not trying to equate the two".

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UMM GEt real.... This wasn't his operation. Operation "fast and furious" was started in 2006. and ended in 2008.

What this is a attempt to stop a huge tax payers witch hunt and get back to some more pressing issues. It Will now just get dragged out further though. So don't forget witches float when thrown into a body of water, because they are wooden.

Beverly of Chicago,

Obama admin spent 1.2 Million to find out that there was 22 million in Welfare fraud, That's wasteful spending. People are DEAD! What kind of morals were you brought up with?!

Fastr ad Furious was kids on the playground thanks to the COnstiution shredding R Reagan perfomed in IRan/COntra

starsailing wrote:

Simpson continued: "If you want to be a purist, go somewhere on a mountaintop and praise the east or something. But if you want to be in politics, you learn to compromise. And you learn to compromise on the issue without compromising yourself. Show me a guy who won’t compromise and I’ll show you a guy with rock for brains.

So what does this say about Obama then? There has been little compromise out of the Oval Office.

blame bush!

(internal dialogue) man, over 3.5 years in office and the koolaid is wearing off, how many times can we keep blaming bush for policies that obama obviously keep going, like this, like gitmo, the patriot act, tax cuts for the rich. if superobama were really super, he would have stopped all this. hope I can keep this from my lib pals, they'll start calling me racist. need more koolaid, it makes it all go away....

Here is the unemployment rate for Riverside County where Issa's district Is. How about Issa spending some of his time on job creation instead of all of his time going after Obama and his Administration? What do you think?

-SAN BERNARDINO-ONTARIO METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA (MSA) (RIVERSIDE AND SAN BERNARDINO COUNTIES)
Nonfarm employment up 3,100 over the month; up 14,700 over the year
The unemployment rate in the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario MSA was 11.8 percent in May 2012, up from a revised 11.7 percent in April 2012, and below the year-ago estimate of 13.1 percent. This compares with an unadjusted unemployment rate of 10.4 percent for California and 7.9 percent for the nation during the same period. The unemployment rate was 11.8 percent in Riverside County, and 11.9 percent in San Bernardino County.

Yeah, It looks like there is some shenanigans going on here. POTUS looks like he's trying to protect his right hand man.... I don't really have a problem with that but there are always consequences to things like this. Didn't turn out so well when Bush helped Janet Reno, and Ken Starr Skewered Clinton....

As a liberal it's not a good look but, it's not like it hasn't been done before. Didn't Grant get himself in some straits like this??

I'm Just Sayin'....

OK now....so what could they be hiding? This apparently goes beyond DOJ and to the White House. Could it have been Obama himself that decided to send Congress the letter with the false information that "Fast and Furious" did not exist? What's the big deal? It's got to be something BIG.

sparklystar

Larry....are you serious? This admin has done nothing but blame Bush for any problem they come up against and cannot deal with...they would love to put this on Bush.

Listen sparkly, let the blame lie where they may. The Bush administration blamed Clinton for 8 years during their time in office. Does 9/11 ring a bell? The WTC was bombed a hardly a month after Clinton took office and not once did Clinton blame G H W Bush yet the 9/11 attack was 8 months after G W Bush took office and they blamed Clinton. Yet you right wing fanatics want to relieve Bush of all the problems he caused and lay them on Obama. Things like the economy, the wars, immigration, the TARP, the lack of oversight on the SEC, and yes the Fast and Furious all happened before 2009 yet it's now Obama's fault even though the Republicans in congress blocked every effort by Obama to make things better. Yeah, by you warped logic it's all Obama's fault.

I wonder what Obama's definition of "transparent" is? I am really disappointed in him.

That doesn't surprise me because I seriously doubt if you ever approved of Obama. He started getting criticism right after the 2008 November election which has continued today. Ay least the Democrats let G WBush do something stupid before criticism started in but not the Republicans.

Maybe it's just me but I fail to see the big deal. They would have gotten the guns another way, the border agent would still be dead, and the world would keep on turning.

They realized they messed up, and admitted their mistakes before the congressional witch hunt. I'm assuming they've changed their policies after they realized they started to lose weapons. @!$%# happens, mistakes happen, in every facet of life. We're all fallible.

Obama is desperately trying to prevent his own Watergate, at least until after the election. Only time will tell how successful he will be at it.

Obviously Obama knows what would be revealed in those documents is far worse than any consequences for stonewalling.

A scandal is brewing. All presidents have their secret dealings, shady doings and what not. But this guy promised hope, change, and transparency, and not the same old Washington politics. We got the same old, same old. Obama has proven himself to be no different than the ones who proceeded him. He also said he wouldn't circumvent our immigration laws and he did. He still blames Bush for everything, and now is justifying what he did because "Bush did it". He shot himself in the other foot with this latest presidential gag order. It's not about race Obama supporters, the guy straight up lied to us. Where is your outrage now?

Beaverly, Holder FIRE Rick Scott? I know this is off topic, but you truly have NO understanding of government or the law. Holder doesn't have that authority, only the people of Florida do... and we love our governor.

NO HOPE

NO CHANGE

NOBAMA

SUCK IT BARRY, 2012

What did the president know, and when did he know it?

A man is dead, we have a right to know what went on.

The supreme count said NO president is above the law, and has NO right to withold evidence of a crime.

It really doesn't matter what party they are affiliated with, all elected 'representatives' of Congress should be tried for perjuring their oath of office....nothing that takes place in Washington is 'representative' of the people that actually cast the ballots and pay taxes....

Yvonne Butta: Is Darell Issa really concerned about a border patrol agent?

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Oh that's the least of it. That would be like probing Watergate as merely a burglary. It's what and WHO was behind the gun running operation....just like what and WHO was behind the Watergate burglary.

Eric Holder is in the same position now as John Mitchell was in the Nixon Administration. Oh, and in case you forgot, Nixon and Mitchell were white. Do you think that Holder (and Obama's) black skin merit some special exemption? You proably do: affirmative action to protect political crooks.

chilled

You can just toss that race card in the trash. This guy needs to be held to the same accountability as the white guys. You know, "the buck stops here".

Scubajeff77
You are correct. I can't imagine that those who are unemployed in Issa's district appreciate him not working on creating jobs since his district has high unemployment. The lack of integrity and honor is so apparent and it is no wonder that Congress' approval rating is so low.

This all started under "W". Is President Obama protecting "W" just like he did by not procecuting "W" and Chaney from prosecution of the war crimes they committed and admitted to committing. Obama is a chess player. He may have something in the works that he doesn't want this bungling congress exposing. Remember Bin Lauden? It may also be politics. Maybe he wants to hold off in exposing Bush until right before the election. Think about how much egg the Republicans would have on their face, if he lets them make a big unreasonable farce of the situation, which of cource is their inclination, then lets the information come out, and Bush is exposed. Wouldn't that be terrific.

Invoking Executive Privilege after 8 months? Jughead knows that the path of knowledge of Fast and Furious is leading right to his door and fast. He wants to cover up his extensive knowledge of it any way he can. He said he knew nothing of it? This proves that that was another of his lies.

Oooh, dumb idea Mr. Obama...

If there's nothing to hide, you don't invoke executive privilege. If there are CYA moves to execute, of course you invoke privilege--and this goes for either party. Don't invoke privilege--it invariably makes whatever you're trying to hide stink even more.

This smells bad--all the way to the WH. I hope it was worth it, Obama. I fear this may be the final nail in his political coffin--which, to be honest, it's not a bad way for him to go.

Wow just like George Bush, he is just protecting his own administation, and their will be no punishment against the people who assisted with the killing of a hard working American Border Patrol Agent. Anybody who is defending Obama after complaining about Bush should be ashamed of themselves. Hold men to the same standard not just what political affiliation you are. What an embarrasment on the comments I read above. Wake up and look in the mirror.

T-Man

First of all the general lib obsession with George Bush is pathetic. You think that has legs buddy? Keep playing that broken record because it's getting you and your inept party leadership...nowhere. Secondly, the reason the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE dislike OBAMA is not because of skin color but because of his policies. If you want to play the race card, I am calling you a bigot and a race baiter myself. Stop telling me as a white person that I am racist because I don't like President Obama's Policies. It is a low and unintelligent arguement.

Who's to say the gun that killed the agent wasn't one of the 2006-2008 guns that crossed the border. I have never seen any information that pinpointed the time that particular gun crossed the border. Makes me wonder if they even kept a record of the guns that were sold to the Mexicans.

Why isn't everyone on the NRA for their fight against control of these types of sales. I feel that the NRA bears as much blame as anyone else because of their position on the sale of assault weapons. Every time someone wants to restrict the sale of assault weapons to questionable characters the NRA is up in arms (no pun intended) and lobby the congress to stop it. No wonder people are being killed with these guns here and Mexico.

@woodrow-664824

First of all the general lib obsession with George Bush is pathetic.

LMAO Woody, just what the hell do you call the obsession of the right wing with Obama. Normal??

I thought Obama was supposed to be the most "transparent" administration? Of course we saw that wasn't the case just days after he took office and has been the most "not transparent" president in history ever since. Why would we expect anything else from this Community Organizer in Chief??

Exactly Scott. The media asserts the number of times Presidents invoked the privilege. What they don't point out was how many times were American lives loss when Presidents performed this act.

What bothers me the most is NOBODY was fired or held responsible when NOBODY denies Fast and Furious was the direct cause of so many deaths including one of our own.

beverly, Funny, isn't it white people never see racism???

as opposed to seeing it everywhere???

Grandma from texas - I agree with you, sounds like the documents would be more likely to protect w & dick, so I say to Holder, let the chips fall, expose all the info - call the repugnant bluff, bet they'd back down from making anything public that farther tarnished the very dark legacy of georgie & dick, maybe even condi (bush's closet girlfriend) would get exposed too. One thing for sure, this congress needs to know, if they start investigations, the American public, at least the working class public is going to have a lot of questions and they are going to have a lot of "splainin to do"(Dezi & Lucy) as to why they never thought georgie & dick should be investigated, not to mention all those executive privilidge orders georgie issued.

@ProBusiness

Compared to past administration Obama is the most transparent.

So, Obama has something to hide. No surprises here. Holder and Obama are anti-gun and Fast and Furious was an attempt to 'prove' that the US was providing the guns to the cartels. It went horribly wrong and Brian Terry was killed along with countless Mexicans. Now, unlike previous stings, in this case NO Mexican authorities were alerted that the 'sting' was happening, this is serious because what it means is that the administration was essentially smuggling weapons into another soverign nation and those weapons were used to kill civilians of that nation.

Foreign policy under this administration is somewhat worse than Bush, the leaks coming out of the White House now show that the US was indeed engaging in cyber warfare (something that should have never seen the light of day, think of the consequences and repercussions) then you have the drone attacks and the raid on Bin Laden and the doctor who helped is now in a Pakistani prison for 33 years.

Obama only seems to think about getting re-elected, everything else is inconsequential. His little sycophantic supporters are incapable of thinking beyond the cult of personality and will defend him regardless of what he does. I have viewed him as nothing more than an extension of Bush and so far he hasn't disappointed in that respect. NDAA, Patriot Act II and now this, anyone not understanding that Obama is anti-civil rights, anti-constitution and pro-Bush agenda needs to wake up.

Beverly, Seriously?

"Let's not forget the Koched Up Darryl Issa not investigating the corrrupt NRA that allows guns to come ointhe Black communities to kill our youth."

Once again, you have no clue about government. One, the NRA isn't a gov't agency and has no power except to lobby, so can't allow guns anywhere. Two, because you don't agree with a groups politics, they are corrupt. Care to prove any instances of corruption? Three, guns are in all communities legally. It's when guns are stolen and given to felons that they enter our communties in a dangerous manner. BTW, the guns aren't killing our youth, they have no volition of their own. The felons who posess the guns are. And they would use something else to do it if they couldn't obtain a gun.

Beverly, the NRA is a non-profit organization. You just keep drinkin' that kool-aid......

Mike C.-923116

Beaverly, Holder FIRE Rick Scott? I know this is off topic, but you truly have NO understanding of government or the law. Holder doesn't have that authority, only the people of Florida do... and we love our governor.

Speak for yourself buddy. I despise the a-hole and so does the majority of the state. His approval on the job is worse that Obama so that shows your bias.

Looks like obama will also have the longest list of pardons of any POTUS when he leaves office.

I like how democrats can shift their morals when it suits them.

If you demand transparency, then offer it, or you have no right to demand it. Don't offer it only when it suits you and still claim your "transparent."

Obama is self-destructing.

He is using his US Presidency for the US to become an Imperialist Country.

Wrong turn, President Obama----the fact that he evoked another Executive Order, tells US citizens that there is a cover-up re: Eric Holder not releasing the full Documents for The Fast and Furious Gun Program. The President is not following the Constitution, which is going to the Congress first for a Vote.

The Dems must be "Furious". The Democratic Politicians who will be running for office in 2012, are going to have a hard time being re elected. It is self-serving, for Obama's benefit, only..

"Guilty" on all counts. Eric Holder.

Ok here's one of my few posts I ever make since I am definitely as politically knowledgeable as you folks. Yes I can look things up but it would look and sound contrived if I started quoting that much stuff.

Here's what I'm seeing and what I remember from when Bush was in office. Pat Tillman's parents started hearing rumors that he (Pat) was killed by friendly fire. Every "nice" avenue they took they were stopped almost as fast as they started. So, here comes an attorney to help them and just when they think it's coming to an end The then President Bush said sorry you can't learn the truth. Kinda sounds like Nicholson "You can't handle the truth". There were so many invocations by Bush (and Clinton) that some of us thought they were Pastors. So why is the Republican Party and it's backers so up in arms about this one? Yes, it's sad that a border patrol agent was killed, but why is different here than the Tillman case?

See, it doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, you will defend your side. I like reading the posts when people are debating the issues, but when either side starts in with name calling, it looks more like the adults left their computer on and their 12 year olds get on and just start slinging personal insults. If you take offense to what I'm saying great let's talk about the issue. If you want to start calling names, go back to grade school and grow up.

Another post from the average guy who, at times seems more grown up than many on here. If you want to collapse me because I'm a Liberal, have fun. If you just don't like the fact that I'm telling some of you to grow up and talk about the issues, then, well maybe some of the rest of you need to collapse them.

@Yvonne: It's not about race. If America was as racist as you say, Obama would never have been elected. He could not have done it without the white vote. He is proving himself to be dishonest and incompetent as our President, not because he's black. Throw away the race card. It's not why people think he's a failure as president.

What's absolutely amazing is the partisanship way in which each one of these stories is spun with name calling and conspiracy theories beyond imagination.

The program - which began with the Bush admin, was not correctly overseen during Obama administration, and the Republicans want a scandal, and the administration doesn't want to let them have it.

It's not watergate, its not whitewater, its not anything close to important.

But it sure keeps us from working on jobs, jobs, jobs, doesn't it! That's why congress approval ratings are in the ditch. Don't get distracted America - boot anyone who goes on these fishing expeditions out of office and elect the people who actually vote for jobs for everyone!

so it continues the fleecing of America

Darell Issa is nothing more than a half wit doing the bidding of the GOP money men. This is another desperate GOP ploy to defeat the President with the use of smoke and mirrors. They should be the ones being investigated for their complete and total neglect of the job they were elected to do. When it comes to the GOP, integrity left town.

Let's just flaunt executive power over the other two branches of governemnt. He just does whatever he wants. Tyrant. Plain and simple. How is this justified?

TCLucas; you obviously don't have a clue as to Fast and Furious, which is not surprising since, with the exception of CBS, who BROKE the story, and Fox who have followed it, not one other major 'news' media has covered it with any interest, probably because they are all in the tank for Obama. I laud CBS for journalistic integrity, the rest of the Mainstream Media are pathetic tools.

As to the cult followers of Obama, they cannot and will not understand. Rather like that famous quote from the Bible, 'there are none so blind as those who WILL not (as in refuse) to see.' Wilful blindness because they are too emotionally invested in Obama. Reason and commonsense are not a part of the Obama worshipping cult, he could (and, apparently has) allowed for innocent Mexican civilians to be killed and his little worshippers ignore that and state that anyone who says ANYTHING against Obama is a racist. Well, that is a pathetic excuse but then, their arsenal of excuses for his actions is rather slim to the point of being non-existant. Welcome to Bush II, aka: Obama.

For the past almost fours now I've always contended that when Obama and his socialist cronies get to the point where they feel Obama and their agenda is threatened, they will resurrect the charges of racism to be leveled at anyone for any reason.
I've said when that happens, you will know the end is near for them, and they will know it as well.

I don't think that locating the drug cartels in Mexico was the real motive behind Fast and Furious -- not with that many assault weapons... I believe that the real motive was to arm enough banditos at our southern border to ignite enough of a skirmish that Obama could look presidential as he ordered troops to quell a mock incursion at our southern border. Think about it. Attack America and everyone pulls behind its president...

It's a stretch, I know. But if you read some of the WikiLeaks correspondence between U.S. Intelligence agencies and our Mexican Embassy, it is very clear that we know exactly where these cartels are headquartered, who's fighting for control and where, and pretty much where the kingpins are located. We didn't need to place tracking devices in weapons to find these guys...

The more I hear Obama claim credit for taking part in intelligence and military operations to bolster his image, the more I begin to believe there was a deeper uglier motive behind the gunwalking operation... With that many weapons it's just a matter of time before a real firefight would have broken out. Thanks to a couple of whistleblowers, any firefights at our southern border will be downplayed just as the agent who was killed was downplayed by Holder.

After all, its not like it's unprecedented that we've had presidents that led us into wars... Just sayin...

Beverly in Chicago,

You have won the coveted ignore author award for your ignorant rants.

Let's not forget the Koched Up Darryl Issa not investigating the corrrupt NRA that allows guns to come ointhe Black communities to kill our youth.

With some of the strictest gun laws in the country Chicago should have a decrease in gun death, but if you read the article yesterday about the funeral director in Chicago you would understand gangs use illegal means to kill each other. If guns were not available they would use whatever means available to kill each other. "They do not expect to live to be adults" as the story quoted. Get over yourself and go down to the troubled areas of Chicago and make a difference. The problem is single parent homes with little or no control of their children. Read the article for yourself. Then get a grip and wake up and make a real difference. You are more interested in keeping the poor poor so they will be controlled by your hand outs.

Quoting a pot head magazine like Mother Jones just illustrates your problem with media choices.

Dismissed.

Now Congress needs to exert the legislative authority they have and defund the DOJ and ATF. Then assign another organization to go in and clean out the mess.

See my Girl why is it that anyone who doesn't side with you is, as you say, "Cult follower"? Was there anything in my post slinging mud at you or the Republicans? No.

Now, do I think Obama is the best President ever? No, but he's doing ok. The economy is recovering albeit not as fast as everyone would like. He was left a dumpster of fecal matter on the White House lawn while Bush was laughing off into the sunset to his Texas ranch This whole economic meltdown started before Bush left office. It's just did we think that after an 8 year unfunded war everything would be hunky-dory? I really thought, we as a country, were smarter than that.

Ivonne

Your comments are racist and bias. Race or money is not what prompted Issa demand, the existing documents that can prove the political intention of this Administration, to restrict the second Admendment using the Fast and Furious program, rather than protect our citizens from crimes of drug traffickers. This political decision had a tragic end with the killing of border agent, and nobody is responsible for this crime. However action of Eric Holder to not bring to justice group Black Panther in a flagrant case of intimidation voters is pure racism.

Beverly is another one of these 'can't undertstand normal thinking' type people.. Is this what schools are pumping out these days?

"President Obama has asserted executive privilege over the documents sought by a House committee as related to the "Fast and Furious" operation"

So what's so serious that Obama needs to hide it? Has 'Hope and Change' become 'Hope they don't find out the truth'?

Next comes a lawsuit to compel, but of course that means it drags out past the election. I suspect the REAL problem is that the documents requested will prove that Holder lied to Congress - a criminal offense for which he could go to jail. Of course, Obama can 'pardon' him just before he leaves office.

Beverly

Funny, isn't it white people never see racism???

Funny how thats all blacks ever see, every problem in their lives must be caused by racism, what else could it be, it certainly cant be them.

Its not guns killing blacks in Chicago, its blacks killing other blacks.

Racism? In America??? Nah....LOL!!! The fear of a non-white president was palpable during the 2008 election, and while people have had over 3 years to grow accustomed to Obama, those fears/hatred still exist. "King Barry", "The Great Leader",

....

Is Darell Issa really concerned about a border patrol agent, or is he attempting to defeat a Democrat?

I really think this issue of stating that people who criticize the current President of the United States as being those that are racist is one of the dumbest and generally false arguments made.

Darell Issa is not criticizing the President Obama because he is black or AG Eric Holder because is black. He is doing his job and investigating the actions that resulted in the death of a civil servant and citizen of the United States. Stating that Darell Issa has racist tendency because of these actions would be exactly the same as stating that President Obama has anti-Semitic tendencies when he critizes Representative Darell Issa since Mr Issa group up in a Jewish community and worked for a rabbi. So Darell Issa is as much a racists as President Obama is a Nazi, both extremely un-true statements.

As a side note I, a citizen of the United States of America, would like to personally appoligize to the family of Mr. Brian Terry. I am sorry that you will most likely not, at least for the next 50 years, be able to receive the proper justice you deserve for the murder of your family member, Brian Terry. The United States has determined, as of today, that you are not to receive this justice. And for that, I am greatly sorry.

Larry-2260635 "Holder is just trying to cover for the Bush administration"

Thanks for the laugh. So the Obama Administration has switched from 'blaming Bush' for all of their failures to now 'blaming themselves and covering for Bush' just before the election??????

You'd have to be pretty gullible to fall for that one.

Obviously Holder and now Obama are withholding damaging data. They will lose this fight in court. This won't end well for them both.

TC: Guess you like Bush? Obama behaves like Bush and it is ok? Really? Guess you want another Bush in office? Well, if Obama is re-elected then you can rest assured in the knowledge that the continuation of the Bush administration will prosper and proliferate.

Beverly, I don't get my info from fox news. I get it from Obama's speeches. Surely, you have heard him time and time again refer to the previous administration when it comes to the problems of today. The first speech he ever made he after his inauguration he told us "Remember, I didn't cause these problems, I inherited them" Do you remember that? And, there really is no need for the name calling. Your posts are historically very angry. Where does that get you?

You rant and rave about control, yet look at Chicago with their strict gun laws. And, who controls that city? Your accusations towards people of not being able to see both sides are coming from someone with their own set of blinders on, you.

Admission of guilt is all I can say.

For those of you trying to pan this, along with every other problem in the country on Bush, here is what I have to say.

This administration has been blaming Bush for everything since day one, and continues to make that part of their policy. If they truly have documents showing this goes back to Bush, then they would be LEAPING forward to expose them, and cause the GOP a black eye. It seems that is not the case, and Obama and Holder know the yellow brick road leads right back to them, and they need to keep it a secret as long as possible.

it was bush administration.. it was not the White house it was justice. Oh heck with it were not saying @!$%# other than the white house was not involved, it was the bush administration, and EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE..

I CANT WAIT to see how Chris "loudmouth" Mathews spins this.

if the white house was not involved.. executive privilege does not apply

if the bush administration did this, the OBAMA's executive privilege does not apply..

come on chris amaze me... hahaha loser

“You know, there's been a tendency on the part of this administration to -- to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there's something a little shaky that's taking place. And I think, you know, the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn't seem to be any national security issues involved with the U.S. attorney question. There doesn't seem to be any justification for not offering up some clear, plausible rationale for why these -- these U.S. attorneys were targeted when, by all assessments, they were doing an outstanding job. I think the American people deserve to know what was going on there.”

Senator Obama (2007) on Larry King speaking of President Bush’s use of Executive Privilege. Now we are talking about providing guns to drug gangs on the US/Mexico border, some of which were used to murder a Federal Officer. Sounds a little more serious than why we released some federal attorneys.

"Can you say Nixon?"

Yes I can and Republicans will never rest until they can overthrow a Democrat and get even, elections be damned. If any of you who have accussed the President of a crime have any integrity you will urge Congreessman Issa to go all the way into this, clear back to the Bush administration but you won't because you have wanted to impeach Obama since day one. That's what it's all about. Thing is even if the house were to do so there wouldn't be a trial in the Senate. But hey! That could be delayed so you can muck up his second term too.

so here is the "change" we were promised under this President. Obama is just Bush 2.0, with a new skin color and differnt party flag is all that really changed.

If you really want hope and change you people will stop clinging to your 2-party system and vote in a Libertarian. As if you cannot see, what needs to happen is a massive dissassembly of the US Federal Government. They stopped representing the interests of the American people a long time ago.

One thing is for sure, Obama is killing his chances of re-election lately with his "immigration reform" and now this "I am not really as transparent as I promised" bit. Is he counting on Americans saving $0.50 per gallon at the pump to keep him in the White House?

Let's get our heads out of the sand and vote Gary Johnson for our next President people...

Beverly in Chicago...#2.102 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:54 AM EDT

Nothing you said in the referenced post, or any of your previous posts in this thread, is anywhere close to being worthy of a response. All I'm gonna say is that I have a little piece of advice for you...

STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD, YOUR IGNORANCE IS SHOWING!!!

As the famous quote says, "Tis far better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

This operation was nothing more than a blatant attempt to somehow "prove" that our 2nd amendment is the cause of all of Mexico's ills. All the gun haters want to disarm all the law abiding citizens of this country, and continue to try to legislate the 2nd amendment out. That's what this was all about. Now the coverup.

rufus...you don't recall dems calling for bush impeachment? c'mon...this is not a one sided issue. Both parties do their best to make the "ruling" admin look bad. It's part of the process. It's part of how they manipulate the voters to so they can hold onto their jobs. People who think that only one party attacks another party and only one party is the true party are exactly the type of people are politicians cater to. Congrats on being one of the voters our politicians love....the ones that can't think beyond party lines. So, they don't need to worry about pleasing you to get your vote, they've got you in their back pocket.

This is for all you corporate puppets on the right. If you are honest ( which will never happen ), it's not Obama you should be blaming, it's the NRA and all those who think having a high powered automatic is a constitutional right. If you think that then you should only be allowed to have a weapon the same as they had when the constitution was written, so blame yourselves for your own paranoia. Those of you who whine because Obama is doing what the murderous Bush/Cheney did but now your screaming and hollering like little kids. Why is it since Obama got elected the Republicans supported these same issues but every time Obama tries to implement the same issues the corporate puppets are against it. Think about it, surely you don't think the majority are as stupid as you are to follow a party whose agenda is first and foremost to get Obama out of office, even if it means the destruction of our country. If the country doesn't vote these corporate Republican puppets out of office then you will be living in another 3rd world country where you have the very rich and everyone else is living in poverty. So wake up America.

Obama invokes executive privilege over DOJ documents

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark at it's Obama's and Holder's asses. These guys have got to go.

To all of you who keep asking the question (paraphrasing) " What is the President hiding?" or infer that the release of the documents in question would implicate him somehow, let me ask you a question. Did it ever occur to you that there could be sensitive real-world intel contained in these documents that, if released and then subsequently leaked, that could endanger even more lives? There are most likely names of active participants, U.S. operatives and bad guys alike in those documents. If some unscrupulous government official from either party (yeah, that's quite a stretch of the imagination, huh? - note sarcasm) leaked sensitive info to the "wrong people" for their own personal gain, then we could conceivably have a REAL crisis on our hands.

Could these documents implicate the President somehow? Perhaps, but I for one strongly doubt it. Truth is, NONE OF US knows what these documents contain.

@Larry-2260635,

Thank you for the TRUE explanation.

If they want to investigate, investigate the whole program dating back to 2005 Bush years. Holder did not start this program. This is BS and the Country must solve it's unemployment problem.

Who you gonna take, Robert deNiro or Howard Sprague?

De Niro (Issa) or Sprague (Holder - think Andy Griffiths Mayberry).

So here it is.

Obama invokes executive privilege to protect Holder. Why?

Is it because Holder has been protecting Obama? Does Fast and Furious go that high?

Some Obama-ites are blaming Bush, saying this all started under Bush's watch. So does this mean that by invoking executive privilege that Obama is protecting Bush? The same guy he has blamed everything else on his whole term in office? Really? Does that make sense? If this is Bush's fault then go ahead and produce the documents and make the case for Bush. Embarrass the hell out of him. Go for it. It would shut up all the Republicans. But that's not what Obama did. He blocked the proceedings making the case that national interest is at stake here.

Well no doubt it is. Since F&F violated US law and Mexican law. Those guns killed an American and countless Mexican citizens. So if this is true then our top law enforcement official, Holder, broke the laws of not only our nation but the laws of our sovereign neighbor. So why is Obama not asking for his resignation?

Democan'ts have got to be getting dizzy with all their spin.

Wanker,

This is for all you corporate puppets on the right. If you are honest ( which will never happen ), it's not Obama you should be blaming, it's the NRA and all those who think having a high powered automatic is a constitutional right.

So the NRA is responsible for the death of Border Agent Brian Terry? Huh? Go figure. I thought it was the Justice department and Erick Holder. I think I read somewhere that he signed off on the Fast and Furious operation to traffic guns, bought in the US, across the US/Mexico border and deliver these same guns to drug cartels. They were then going to trace the guns, for what reason I have no idea, only the tracking device's batter they put on 1 (one) gun only had a life of 48 hours. I thought Erick Holder was to blame for the death of Brian Terry? Thanks for setting me straight Wanker.

my2cent$

To all of you who keep asking the question (paraphrasing) " What is the President hiding?" or infer that the release of the documents in question would implicate him somehow, let me ask you a question. Did it ever occur to you that there could be sensitive real-world intel contained in these documents that, if released and then subsequently leaked, that could endanger even more lives?

You mean like all the other leaks Obama-ites have been leaking to make him look good? Like bin Laden raid and mole in Yemen al Qaeda, you know what I mean.

So now they blame it on Bush, well go ahead and release the docs and prove it. My guess, since Obama relishes punching his predecessor, is these documents embarrass Obama far more. Clearly Obama having to come to the aide of Holder rather than asking him to resign tells me Obama knew about F&F from the beginning. If not, fire Holder and move on.

Loyalty to the point of stupidity makes no sense. This Main Stream Media Non-story just got legs.

my2cents$,

To all of you who keep asking the question (paraphrasing) " What is the President hiding?" or infer that the release of the documents in question would implicate him somehow, let me ask you a question. Did it ever occur to you that there could be sensitive real-world intel contained in these documents that, if released and then subsequently leaked, that could endanger even more lives?

What? Now they have a conscience about leaking information? Didn't seem to bother them about the Bin Laden raid and the Iran computer virus. To address your concern I'm sure there are provisions available to allow committee members to see classified information without it being released to the general public.

See mygirl, you are twisting my words like the media does. I don't like Bush and never did. His Dad was ok, but not my choice. I am generally a Democrat but I'll listen to sound arguments. I know Obama is trying to give the "working, blue collar, average American breaks that Bush would never have dreamed of. Hence the reason the rich in this country, at most are paying 14% on their taxes, while me and the other middle-class are paying upwards of 35% and having to hold 2 jobs just to make it. The Republicans are so focused on their "one-term" mantra that even when a bill that will actually help the middle class they either table or just just vote it down then blame the current administration for not doing more.

My thing is I'm terrified of what very well could happen if Romney gets into office. He made millions off of othr peoples suffering with his buyout plan of taking over a company, getting rid of employees then selling it off piecemeal. I've seen how those deals work first hand. It may have not been Mitt/Willard but the outcome was the same. The biggest employer in my home town was a steel mill. Well, it was bought, they gave my Dad and many others a severance and early "retirement". Well, within a year the company filed for bankruptcy and anyone who EVER retired from that mill and their families with survivor rights who depended on that, lost it.

That and the Republicans stance on birth control being taken off the market and reversing Roe vs. Wade. What next? Making slavery legal again? Basically turning it back into a patriarchal society where religion plays heavily into government. If you want a religious based government move to the Middle East and do something wrong. You could lose a body part if not more.

The sad and scary part is people want that in office. You may be a Republican but that may not matter if Romney gets elected, because you may not have a voice at all if he does.

my2cent$

To all of you who keep asking the question (paraphrasing) " What is the President hiding?" or infer that the release of the documents in question would implicate him somehow, let me ask you a question. Did it ever occur to you that there could be sensitive real-world intel contained in these documents that, if released and then subsequently leaked, that could endanger even more lives? There are most likely names of active participants, U.S. operatives and bad guys alike in those documents. If some unscrupulous government official from either party (yeah, that's quite a stretch of the imagination, huh? - note sarcasm) leaked sensitive info to the "wrong people" for their own personal gain, then we could conceivably have a REAL crisis on our hands.

Could these documents implicate the President somehow? Perhaps, but I for one strongly doubt it. Truth is, NONE OF US knows what these documents contain.

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So the white house leaking classified information to the times and putting American lives in danger and giving it to the world is OK with you but a guess by you that letting Congress have documents that led to the murder of an American patriot and countless Mexican citizens is a terrible thing to you? With liberals in America, we don't need enemies overseas.

TCLucas,

See mygirl, you are twisting my words like the media does. I don't like Bush and never did. His Dad was ok, but not my choice. I am generally a Democrat but I'll listen to sound arguments. I know Obama is trying to give the "working, blue collar, average American breaks that Bush would never have dreamed of. Hence the reason the rich in this country, at most are paying 14% on their taxes, while me and the other middle-class are paying upwards of 35% and having to hold 2 jobs just to make it.

Hilarious! You pay 35% and you don't consider yourself rich? Well, I wouldn't call someone that was in the 35% income tax bracket rich, maybe well off, but not rich. Hmmmmm, you do know that you need to have earned more than $379,151 last year to fall into the 35% tax bracket? Those two jobs must pay one hell of an hourly wage. I'm thinking you've probably never filed any income tax form other than a 1040EZ. Kids these days.

Why invoke executive privilege after 8 months of denying that you knew anything about it? Probably because there is something to hide or someone else to protect. I would like to see this play out, not because I think it is potentially harmful to Obama, but to get to the truth! If the whole mess started in the Bush administration, why wasn't it ceremoniously shut down when it came to light? Why was it allowed to continue? The problem I see is that liberals are to busy trying to protect Obama than to really get to the truth. If this is a witch hunt, and Obama's hands are clean, what does this gain him? I have never been for any president who claims executive privilege because when the truth eventually comes out, it always means they are hiding something.

Sven, ah you are funny. I wish they paid a "helluva hourly wage" but last time I filed which was 1040 (and funnily enough not an EZ) Unfortunately Sven, I don't have to justify that remark and I won't stoop to your level of the personal insults. Out of my whole comment that's the one thing you could find. Most Middle class pay between 31-35% but what do I know, I've had to work my whole life and see it go off to the Government. Not saying that you haven't but apparently others here have enough deductions to itemize. I pay my rent, my car payment, my prescriptions, and food unfortunately there's not much left over after that. Anyhow, not that I need tp prove anything to you or anyone else. I just really have to laugh that out of everything I said that's what you pick out, though it seem you try to find something to attack someone personally and not anything else. I feel sorry for you if that's the highlight of your day.

@Jennifer-2446215 #2.86: Issa, like all good lil republicans is mixing "chicken sh^t" with "bull sh^t" for all the sewage slurpers. It's an election year, and the republicans have nothing else of higher substance to offer. Regards

@Step in What???#2.135: Suggest you take your own advice.

Winker: That has got to be one of the more laughable spins put out here. Now, the NRA is in no way, shape or form a part of the Department of Justice. The NRA is not a part of any governmental agency, but, if you need a scapegoat to cover up for Obama and Holder's malfeasance, hell, why don't you blame Mexico? Just as reasonable to blame Mexico or perhaps you can blame Bush or all the racists and republicans out to get Obama. One small problem with all the excuses is that Obama is hiding a criminal, a murderer to be precise. Not just a murderer of an American citizen, but a murderer of many untold Mexicans. Guess you're ok with having an agency of the US Federal Government smuggle weapons illegally into Mexico, right?

Mac: So now you go so far as to defend a man who is hiding a murderer? Really?

@mygirl1#2.153: Now and then I agree with you. Sure don't here. A murderer? You're smarter than that. I think you're being outlandish to further stir up the crazies. A border guard got killed, and this Issa is trying to make political hay out of it. That's the gwaddamn crime here. Don't come back and tell me I have no knowledge of what actually went on. Neither do you, nor likely, anyone else posting here. I do know enough from various reports to perceive all this to be nothing but the classic "tempest in a teapot" attempt by the republicans. Some things our government has to do cannot be aired publicly.

Mac: You'd be wrong about my research into Fast and Furious. Sharyl Atkisson is an investigative reporter for CBS. She has been following and essentially broke the story. She is no idiot and she works for CBS so you can't make any 'Fox bias' claims. Down here along the border, we are indeed impacted by the illegal aliens, drugs, human trafficing and all the other detritus that goes along with such a porous border. I personally know Texas Rangers and Border Patrol (la migra) and I can tell you that they are not in the least bit amused by Holder's shenanigans. I paid attention because of a number of reasons and I can assure you that the media, with the exception of CBS and Fox, ignored this story.

It is far more than the death of a federal agent, (there were two, BTW) although that should be ignored or glossed over in your estimation? This whole thing came to light because some brave whistleblowers had the courage to come forward at the expense of their careers. The lies and coverups are far broader than what the media is reporting (the media with the above-noted exceptions) and the ramifications are far more than JUST the death of a federal agent. CBS has information, lots of good information, go read some of the investigative reporting on the story and then get back with me.

As to somethings our government has to keep secret, hmmm. So how do you feel about the pakistani doctor, outed by the administration and now in prison for the next 33 years? Or are you real sanguine about the leaks re the cyberattacks? Should those little items, along with a few other 'leaks' have been kept secret or are those different kind of secrets?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16-57338456-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-case-for-gun-regulations

mygirl1#2.155: Not about to argue sources with you. Reported glimpses of gun smuggling arranged by both ICE and DEA go back to several turns by then CNN's Lou Dobbs, as far back as 06. Not long after that, one news account had a spokesperson on, out of Colorado, who claimed the Bush AG, Gonzales, had in fact, struck a deal with some NRA people to obtain and funnel confiscated weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels in exchange for information on and about higher ups in those cartels. Maybe true, maybe not. Either way, nothing ever came of it. With the amount of illegal guns floating around here in the US, and the amount sold and stolen, I'm certainly not surprised at those kinds of purported shenanigans. For many other reasons, I consider this particular episode little more than a underdone speck in the national pot of misdeeds, being used as an election distraction, the poor dead border guard and His family properly noted of course. As improbable as it sounds, I believe, with much considered cause, President Obama cannot, for the sake of the nation, allow too much revelation, relative to events and illusions of the Bush administration. I think I don't blame Him either. What is done is done. We need to move on. Regards

@mygirl1: Addendum: Regarding your last paragraph; Wherever these leaks are found to be sourced, doesn't matter the source, that source should be prosecuted. I hope, and think, this administration is working to get the Pakistani informant released, and yes, whomever leaked information about him should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

@larry, "Speak for yourself buddy. I despise the a-hole and so does the majority of the state. His approval on the job is worse that Obama so that shows your bias."

Funny, no petitions for recall, he was elected by the majority, no source for your approval ratings claim. Why don't you speak for yourself, buddy. If you don't like it, you are welcome to join your snow bird friends in the liberal, yankee state of your choice. ....but then you couldn't vote twice, could you?

Mac: the problem with the situation is the timing. Now, the stimulus money was released when? I remember Waco and the stonewalling that went into discovering just whatall happened and how Clinton threw Reno under the bus. The ATF seems to have a history of stirring and creating sh!tstorms, they do so to justify their existence. Now, Holder has gone on record stating that Americans must be brainwashed into giving up their guns. Interesting how many stories there were in the media about all those railcars loaded with guns from America and headed to Mexico. Then Terry is killed and magically those stories dry up.

As to 'covering up' for Bush, why? If anything, it would be better politically for them to out the Bush administration. What 'top or state secrets' need protecting from a program that was it's new version of a much smaller operation? Then there is the matter of tracking the guns. The only tracking device was a homemade one created by one agent. Then there is the matter of how the administration was going to crack down on border gunsellers with new laws and even after the F&F debacle, Obama went ahead and pushed those 'new' regulations and moreover, the gun sellers themselves were CALLING the ATF and alerting them to suspicious buyers and the ATF TOLD them to sell the guns anyway.

No tracking devices, suspicious buyers and thousand of guns that somehow got 'lost' because, well, because a 'sting' that was supposed to track gun sales in fact didn't. Holder is stonewalling and the democrats are all squeamish and the fact of the matter is, if there was nothing beyond stupid, why not admit that?

mygirl1: I think the operative word here is "stupidity". ATF claimed great concerns about multiple sales of long guns above 22 calibre ,semi automatic. Yes, they were hoping to use these in support of additional reporting of the sales of these guns. Letter 23 or something similar to that. Now, why cover for Bush? All through His terms there was much obvious "funny" business along that border. At least 2 border agennts sent to federal prison for wounding an illegal drug runner after He had entered the US. Foot bridges built and placed across the Rio Grande and kept intact by both federal border agents and, state border patrols In the states of Texas, NM, and Az. All this while bemoaning illegals entering the country. I could go on and on here with many corresponding Bush administration border contradictions. This is more about "gun rights" people, and their perceived fears of being able to obtain all the guns they wish, than it is about justice for the border guard and His family. Then we have the "criminal" Issa pushing this. That's enough to chaff the ass of all fair minded folks everywhere. Contradictions presented as truth, often, when pried apart reveal far reaching ugliness, deception, and often, danger. Further, while I won't go into it here, I have much concern about the killing of "bin Ladin". I suspect the President had to, rather than take Him alive and chance Him revealing the truth about 9/11. Any, and/or all such revelations, could literally tear this nation apart. Hence, my belief that our President has covered, and will have to continue to cover, the trampling of our country and people during the 8 years of Bush/Cheney.

In personal summery; I like guns. Own 5. Having said that though, I think guns are too available to those who should not have access to them. Inner city Atlanta youths claim they can obtain a Gun as quickly as a cigarette. One local TV sta. put one to that test a few weeks ago. They gave the 15 year old $10.00 and allowed Him to go forth with a disguised female reporter. Took the kid 17 minutes to return, bearing a fully loaded 25 calibre pistol. That is despicable.

Most Middle class pay between 31-35% but what do I know, I've had to work my whole life and see it go off to the Government.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the average tax rate in the U.S. is 14.8%. The lowest since 1950. In fact, the highest tax bracket possible is 35%. That is applied to those with very large salury incomes, not capital gains encome since it is a lower bracket. The average of 14.8% is of course an average. So it means that it is a number that takes in both those citezens that pay the top 35% amount all the way down to those that pay the lowest 0% amount. According to this CNN article,

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

in 2009 47% of all American households had paid a 0% tax burden. That is that near half of all the adults in American did not pay taxes (yes, they may have had something withheld from their check, but it was returned to them when they did their taxes).

Here is another nice little quote for you from that CNN article:

Nearly 22% of those making between $50,000 and $75,000 end up with no federal income tax liability or negative liability as do 9% of households with incomes between $75,000 and $100,000.

And then there is this quote:

A key reason why there is a zero-liability group at all is because the U.S. tax system is progressive. Those who bring in more money pay more than those lower down the income scale to support government functions such as national defense and social safety nets like Medicaid for those in need. That progressivity can be dialed up or down.

So like the others, I do question the validity of the 35% tax bracket since that is the top bracket and assigned to only those with very large salury compensations.

@beverly, "You're all afraid of a Black Planet"

I say you are afraid of a colorless planet.

This was started under the Bush Administration and is carrying on under the present office. Sounds to me the Republicans want to shoot their own foot off and put blame on the Dems. What as it may be it could carry on through several Presidents. There is more than you can imagine. Best left alone.

Smells bad in an election year? You think the people care about executive privilege?

6dogs, if this was botched by Bush, the news would be all over it, and Obama would have already blamed him, why don't you want to know the truth? Hear know evil, speak no evil ,see no evil, which are you?

What did the president know, and when did he know it?

A man is dead, we have a right to know what went on.

The supreme count said NO president is above the law, and has NO right to withold evidence of a crime.

I watched the tape of Obama announcing he's giving Holder executive privilege regarding Fast and Furious documents. He says something about "Bush used executive privilege 8 times" or something like that.

It gets really interesting if you play the tape backward though... Obama comes out, with hands raised in the air holding up a peace sign with his fingers, jowls flapping and proclaims "Eric Holder is NOT a CRIMINAL". It seemed vaguely familiar.

This Is How Our President delivers justice for this botched operation that resulted in the border guards death. My wish is for that family to travel to Washington and stand face-to-face with Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder and ask where is our family's justice. Both of you stand up here and overstep your bounds concerning Travon Martin. But to look the country right in the eye and do everything possible to cover up this tragedy. Tell me Mr. Pres. is this the transparency promised the United States????? I have never been a fan of Mitt Romney but there is no way I can vote for this president. I have never really been active in politics but it's time to get started this guy has got to go from office. I will work until election day to see that this man does not spend one more day more than necessary in our White House. If there is nothing to hide then there was no need for executive privilege.

All you right wingers and teabaggers just calm down. Take your haldol and lithium and nurse Rached will be around momentarily. She first has to first check to see if the Schizophrenic rec-room is properly rubberized and all mirrors have been removed. She will then escort you, single file , to get a little needed sunshine and fresh air. Darrell McCarthy...I mean Issa has sent you all a box of chocolates and a get well card.

Ahh, so Bush, oops, I mean Obama is covering up and the little liberals are all ok with the coverup. Typical.

These Are the Acts of a Desperate President!! What's his next act pardoning Charles Manson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jjhooey, that's great. Why don't you write that in a card and send that to Brian Terry's widow? Tell her you're an ignorant partisan who doesn't think Holder should be held responsible for the murder of her husband with weapons he knowingly trafficed.

Racism is this when a president and Atty. Gen. stand in front of the American people and call for justice for Travon Martin. Then invoke executive privilege to prevent the American people from seeing justice for a citizen, civil servant and member of law enforcement? It kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?

jjhoey, yeah, I guess it's Ok to you sheeple when it's your side to do crp like this. Your hypocrisies are a joke, just like your policies.

Forget CONTEMPT...let's move on to IMPEACH !!!

It's now plain that the Fast & Furious crimes lead right to the WH.

Wow Mick...puts a whole new light on this. Never thought of it that way.

All you right wingers and teabaggers just calm down

Is that what you say to your socialist leftiest friends OWS when they riot and destroy the private property.

Why are you on the right calapsing comments? You calapsed mine at 2.48. What is the dealeo? You can't handle the truth?

Jenn....If you do a bit of research you will notice that the collapsing of comments is being done by both those on the left and those on the right. Appears, the truth just does not appeal to anyone, it is bipartisan. ;)

Than Nixon step down when the Congress caught him. Will Obama?

Let's hope so, Bob!

Obama acts more and more like Richard Nixon every day .

What party was Nixon from Probe-boy? I forget.

Bob. I know internet gambling is illegal but HOW MUCH for your toast comment?

Ruken,

Party shouldn't have anything to do with it. If the president has nothing to hide, he should give the documents to Congress. (and, yes, I said the same thing when Bush invoked executive privilege)

Bush invoked executive privilege and in one swipe of the pen removed more civil rights from people than any president in history and these loons cheered him on. They have no credibility at all, just hacks and RNC wannabes. Executive Order 13228 Establishing the Office of Homeland Security and the Homeland Security Council should have been an act of treason.

Party shouldn't have anything to do with it. If the president has nothing to hide, he should give the documents to Congress.

Yea, so when the Gestapo knock on my door, I should just let them in because I have nothing to hide.

Brilliant logic.