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JANESVILLE, WI -- Mitt Romney made a bold prediction in Wisconsin to open the fourth day of his swing state bus tour: he would steal the Badger State from the Democratic column this November.
"I think President Obama had just put this in his column, he just assumed at the very beginning Wisconsin was going to be his," Romney told a crowd of more than 700 supporters gathered on a factory floor here. "But you know what, we’re going to win Wisconsin. We’re going to get the White House."
Romney made only one stop here today on his five-day, six-state bus tour, and it might be for the best -- his campaign bus might not have seats for all the surrogates who came out to support him this morning.
Evan Vucci / AP
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney gestures during a campaign stop at Monterey Mills June 18 in Janesville, Wis.
There was Sen. Ron Johnson, who toppled Democrat Russ Feingold in 2010, and Reince Priebus, the Kenosha-born former Wisconsin GOP chairman who now leads the Republican National Committee.
"I got to tell you we have a little stimulus plan of our own and the stimulus plan is renowned by economists, like Paul Ryan," Priebus said. "Here is the stimulus plan: elect Mitt Romney, fire Barack Obama, and save America, right?"
But the loudest cheers weren't for Rep. Paul Ryan, the hometown favorite in Janesville and possible vice presidential contender; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, the recent victor in a recall election who introduced Romney, who elicited the loudest cheers from the crowd.
“It is my honor to still be the 45th governor of Wisconsin and it is my honor to be on the stage with the man I hope is the 45th president of these United States,” Walker said.
Walker's retention in the face of a labor-backed recall challenge, has fired up the Republican base here. The governor emerged as a hero to conservatives after eliminating most public workers' collective bargaining rights. Despite sharp disagreements over the implications of Walker's victory over Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett (D) earlier this month, the Romney campaign's senior advisers say they plan to compete aggressively in Wisconsin this fall, if only to keep President Obama on defense.
Romney was also on the attack this morning, accusing the president of replacing a slogan of "hope and change" with a hope to change the subject away from the economy, and of being unable to run on a tepid economic recovery the president insists needs more time to catch fire.
"These are challenging times for Americans, and because of [President Obama's] failed record his campaign is having a hard time deciding what to talk about, because they’d like to talk about the economy, they'd like to talk about his record but you know, the last time his campaign slogan was hope and change this time he’s going with: we hope to change the subject," Romney said.
Romney and Democrats also traded charges of evasiveness in the speech and subsequent spinning from the Obama campaign, with a spokesperson for the president's campaign declaring Romney's speech to be packed with "evasive and angry rhetoric," and Romney accusing the president of trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people as he fought for more time in office.
"He tries to tell people that his policies are actually working, that its just taking longer than we had all been told—promised," Romney said. "And I can tell you that I know he’s a very eloquent person and he’s able to describe these policies in great detail and in some respects tell you that night is day and day is night, but people know better."
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Yeah Willard & the moon is made out of cheddar cheese!
WOW!
A whole 700 supporters? lmao!
No problem, put them on Willard's private aircraft he's been flying on while claiming to be on the bus!
He isn't even capable of telling the truth about that...
Keep going - the Walker/Ryan/Romney triplets. The federation of evil, little men.
All vying for who will be President for the one-tenth of the 1%-ers in this country.
Kind of like Obama's bus tour when he was claiming to be on the bus? Only his private aircraft was more than likely Air Force One.
The true axis of evil!
Feisty,
700 folks in Paul Ryan district, with the WI governor in tow!!
More Janesville town folks turn out to for the Thanksgiving Day sale at the local Walmart.
Let 's see how many folks show up at his last stop in Iowa!!!!
not true dumb fux, but everyone knows you're half in the bag by noon everday... truism!
Wisconsin is now a swing state after Walker's victiory.... liberals and even union members have seen the light! Other swing states are swinging to the right as well! woohoo
MK, Wisconsin has been seen as a swing state from the beginning. Exit polls from recall night showed a 7% edge for President Obama. While it's a swing state it definitely leans blue in the Presidential contest.
Which psychic predicted this wild scenario? I see Romney is taking cues from Newt on adherence to religious policy. Fortune telling is banned by the Bible and it is a sin for the right wing religious extremists to predict the future. Must be like those other sins constantly committed by the religious extremists - it is ok for me, not for anyone else.
John,
Wasn't it 1980 the last time WI went red?
The true axis of evil!
Feisty -
More like Golden locks and the Three Pander Bears...
OH Feisty, Cheese and Pop Corn with wine.
Goes to show you anything is possible if played correctly.
Actually, Feisty, the moon is Maytag blue cheese.
But worry not. Romney is just blowing some fresh dairy air.
And the reason that only 700 turned out to see him is probably precisely BECAUSE he had Paul Ryan in tow. Ryan is none to popular in his hometown, which was gerrymandered out of his own district.
By the way, I received a telephone call inviting me to that event, and if I did, given that I live about 40 miles away from Janesville, then probably about 300,000 to 500,000 people received those calls.
That puts that 700 turnout into even better perspective.
I seriously believe that President Obama does not like his job. And I think that pulling stunts like suddenly seeing the light on gay marriage, or his dirty joke about his wife and Ellen Degeneres shows that he is consciously or unconsciously trying to sabotage his reelection
Your on the ground perspective is always refreshing Anna Molly!
Very funny! lol
This is Ryan's opponent for the 2012 election.
http://www.robzerban.com/
As everyone knows, the State Senate seat in Racine flipped from Republican to Democrat in the recall election. This fellow is from Kenosha, the second largest city in Ryan's district, where people are still hurting from the Bush recession. We'll see.
OOPs. So sorry. Janesville was not gerrymandered out of his district, as I had originally thought. But that might even be better for the Democrats because they don't like him as much in Janesville as they used to. He certainly did not help Romney in Janesville today, and that's not only because of the Ryan budget, but also because Ryan did not stand up for Janesville during the GM crisis. They lost a plant and a lot of people lost their jobs.
Here's an interesting bit of news. The Wisconsin Department of Justice (directed by Scott Walker, no doubt -- or whomever he answers to), has just dropped its lawsuit challenging a judge's ruling that the redistricting of certain congressional districts -- not Paul Ryan's district -- violated the Voting Rights Act.
http://elections.wispolitics.com/2012/06/doj-drops-appeal-of-court-ordered.html
This means that taxpayers will be paying the legal fees for the democrats who originally brought the lawsuit -- to the tune of $185,000 -- while Walker and his DOJ slink quietly away and hope no one notices how they wasted taxpayer money.
Pity they couldn't take that $185,000 out of Walker's legal defense fund.
Here's an article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel detailing all of the skullduggery and money that went into these re-districtings.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/federal-judges-slam-gop-lawmakers-over-redistricting-secrecy-0l47pqm-139467038.html
Sort of makes you sick that a guy as corrupt as Walker could survive the recall, doesn't it?
Mention the name Romney and it's like someone just poured gasoline down a Rattlesnake hole ......hiss, bitch,complain ... where do I attack ? All the usual liberal posters are out in full force pouring out their venom.
Perhaps Romney is a little optimistic, but Walker did win a recall and MCDNC has moved Wisconsin back into the "tossup" category.
Geez, if Romney were to carry Wisconsin, there truly would be a "RUN" on Kaopectate at the drug stores by all the libbies who had already chalked up Wisconsin in the "win column" !
Well given that there is a more than good chance I could be living in Madison by election time, at least I am moving to a state in which my vote will actually have meaning.
Essentially, Romney told those at the rally to not listen to facts, to simply "know better".
Gotta love how Republicans talk their constituents into not listening to the facts or to science.
Interesting choice of words "steal." Mittens is as square as two intersecting right triangles. Maybe not steal but "buy" is very likely.
Well, Jim -- I hardly ever hiss, and then I try to make it count. This is not one of those times.
As for the recall election, I remind you that the margin was razor-thin in many counties that went red, but normally go blue. In some of those counties, I have it on good authority that wedge issues -- like Barrett will take away my gun -- were used quite effectively. Many people who don't like Walker also just don't like recalls.
A national election may be quite different, as the polls have consistently suggested.
FYI -- Here is the demographic map from the recall.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/wisconsin-recall-results
Rock County, which is where Janesville is located, went for Barrett 55.8 percent to 43.5 percent. Also notice that Kenosha County, which is in Ryan's district, went for Barrett. While Racine County went for Walker, the State Senate Seat did flip from Republican to Democrat.
This, of course, reinforces my belief that Ryan may be in trouble.
And I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you, as to the rest of it. I'm relatively sure it won't stink.
Well, if Mitt does win the election, 1 of 2 things will happen.
In other words...nothing will change...it will only get worse but the Republicans will own it.
Mighty bold talk. Mighty bold. Who knows, he could be right. Well, we know he's RIGHT 'cause that's the way the wind is blowing up his temple garments. But he'll be LEFT if it looks like that leads him to the White House, or MIDDLE if that looks like the way to go.
Romney isn't "evil", he just wants to be CEO, or KING, or whatever. He'll do or say anything he thinks he's need to, to achieve that goal. He was WAAAAY left of center when he became governor of Massachusetts, 'cause that's what he needed to be to get elected. He was left of center when he created Romneycare, the model for Obamacare. But not anymore, the pendulum and his party have swung to the right, so, therefore, HE'S RIGHT!
Now the other two, yep, rotten to the core.
Romney's not such a bad guy. Look, he's wearing jeans just like the peasants....er, uh common folk. He's just a regular guy.
Despite that....
Obama/Biden 2012
Anna Molly, What's your point ? You rolled out a volume of words, but Scott Walker still won the recall attempt.
By the way, with the "hissing" remark ... no one individaual was singled out. This was a general comment about all the others who had nothing to say but desperately felt they had to say "something". Only time will tell what Wisconsin will do in this fall's elections.
Suprise, Suprise, Suprise, Fiesty is the First Poster.
Did you have to wait long, all afternoon perhaps before finding an article you can actually comment on?
Why Don't you comment on the "Muslim Brotherhood" taking over Egypt?
How about commenting on that Awesome 8.2% unemployment rate after 3.5 years of Obama's Presidency?
How about commenting on the average American family Losing 38% of their wealth over the last four years?
How about commenting on Panetta warning about disaster if the defense budgets are cut. Wasn't it just 6 months ago when Obama and Panetta were touting how they were going to cut 600 Million dollars from the military budget in a responsible way that wouldn't hurt its effectiveness?
How about "Fast and Furious" and Eric holder about to be cited for Contempt of Congress?
How about the Investigations into Security Leaks by the White House?
How about Syria?
How about the 45,000 Hispanics that have died in the Mexican Drug Cartel War over the Best Smuggling routes into the U.S. because "we can't find the money to secure our border" but we can afford $535 million dollar loan to Solyndra to go bankrupt, $835,000.00 Parties for GSA, 4 trips for 9th circuit court of appeals to Hawaii, $450 million dollars which will go to the Chinese to build the equipment and manage a windfarm in China?
If Romney is flying on a private plane, which is pure speculation unless you have proof, at least its on his own or his campaigns dime and far cheaper than the POTUS's hundreds of trips to his fund raisers with an occasional, worn out talking points speech, to justify sticking the taxpayers with the cost.
@ jim- 1455434 -- I never said you were talking just to me, but I can only answer for myself. Don't know whether others hiss or not. It was supposed to be funny. Never mind.
And yes, only time will tell. I shudder to think that Kirk may actually move here and become the deciding vote. If I tie him up in my basement, maybe I can save us all from the next great depression.
@ Grumpy jon -- Exactly.
Romney keeps talking about the Presidents shortcomings. Never tells us how He will fix 'em. Just proves; a rat can't repair the hole, nor prevent the spillage It gnawed in the tater sack, nor is it inclined to do so.
Exit polls from recall night showed a 7% edge for President Obama. While it's a swing state it definitely leans blue in the Presidential contest.
And the exit polls also showed Barrett ahead of Walker and had a disproportionate amount of Democrats in the samples as compared to Republicans. But, don't pay any attention to that since it doesn't fit within the Dem talking points.
It seems Mitt Romney has yet to learn never to predict.
Anna Molly, thanks for giving us the on-the-ground reports.
jim, you and other conservatives ignore one fact about the recall, Walker got neutered. He lost control of the Senate; he no longer has a majority there. He can no longer run rough shod over anyone. While Wisconsin voters decided to keep him for the rest of his term, they also voted to neuter him.
@David Noah,
Come on David, you wouldn't want the liberal women to actually acknowledge that Obama and his admin have been screwing this country for the past 3.5 years?? That would actually ruin my afternoon entertainment of watching them go rabid about Romney when all he's doing is running the same basic campaign that their all knowing idol did in '08.
Well Jody, while you are at it .... Barack Obama was "neutered" in November, 2010 as a direct result of Obama's ramming through Obamacare (complete with no tranparency, bribes, kickbacks and bypassing Scott Brown's vote through "deemed reconciliation") to the dislike of over 60% of the U.S. at that time. So the next time you open your lips about "obstruction", you should realize their votes were INTENDED TO STOP OBAMA.
Another factor was Obama pushing amnesty for illegals and most U.S. citizens were cool to that concept. Of course, Obama just did an end-around on Friday .... abusing his executive privilege on something that should be decided by Congress.... announcing that he would not enforce the law against about 800,000 illegal aliens in this country.
Instead of upholding the law as he swore at his inauguration, Obama has put himself above the law in selectively deciding which laws he will enforce, and which ones he will ignore.
John B, Des Moines, IA ...(#1.6)..."MK, Wisconsin has been seen as a swing state from the beginning. Exit polls from recall night showed a 7% edge for President Obama. While it's a swing state it definitely leans blue in the Presidential contest."
The same exit poll that had the race tied between Walker and Barrett.....Obama won Wisconsin by 14 points 4 years ago and if the exit poll was just as wrong about Obama as it was about the Recall race....Obama has ZERO ....
AND 6 months ago it was not considered a swing state, no matter how much you want to spin it.
No, exit polls initially showed too close to call, which very quickly grew to a correct prediction that Walker would win. http://www.npr.org/2012/06/14/154995772/weekly-standard-walker-wins-again
I realize Conservatives are used to creating their own mythology, but now we live in a world where facts are too easily verified to get away with that.
When it comes to Republicans... STEAL is an appropriate word!!! what does he plan to do...rig the ballots!
I wouldn't be surprised if Romney is right about Wisconsin voting for him. The message I got from the recall is that it is fairly easy to buy Wisconsin voters. Just spend eight times as much money as the other side. I always hope voters will prove themselves to not be gullible enough to be bought, but I was disappointed in Wisconsin.
The only difference in this campaign is the former president that each candidate uses as an example. In 08, Obama ran a campaign similar to what Romney is running right now, saying that America is in financial trouble and we need to get back to the policies of the Clinton years that lead to economic growth and prosperity. For this campaign, Romney is doing the same thing, just never mentioning the name of the president who’s polices he would like to bring back. That is the major flaw in the logic of the GOP presidential campaign. Obama won because the connection to failed economy and Bush went hand and hand. Romney is going to have a tough time convincing people he knows how to fix the economy when his best ideas are hiring Bush administration economic advisors and continuing their policies.
If Romney was making more of an effort to distinguish himself from Bush and his policies, he might have a chance at this election. That, and if he could avoid a political debate with Obama, who is going to absolutely crush Romney in those events, would lead to a Romney win. Too bad corporations aren’t people that too would be the only other way Romney would get elected.
David Noah: what is this Chinese wind farm you’re speaking of? I would like to find out more information about it.
"the last time his (Obama's) campaign slogan was hope and change this time he’s going with: we hope to change the subject,"
Obama has been such a failure on the economy and jobs that he HAS to try to change the subject.
According to the official government Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are 1.3 million+ FEWER people working in May 2012 than when Obama took office.
Mike in Delray " Wisconsin has been seen as a swing state from the beginning. Exit polls from recall night showed a 7% edge for President Obama. While it's a swing state it definitely leans blue in the Presidential contest."
Rasmussen, the most accurate pollster in the last 2 Presidential elections (less than 1% error) has Romney ahead of Obama in Wisconsin 47% to 44%. Here's the link;
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/wisconsin/election_2012_wisconsin_president
Concern, you may not have heard, but 'popcorn' is dumbfux's code for boiler makers, a blue collar adult beverage.
98% of Wisconsin's (and the country's) Republicans will vote for Romney... and many democrats are deserting the party like rats from the proverbial sinking ship, but I don't think enough of them will to swing this great state to Red. :(
Romney said. "And I can tell you that I know he’s a very eloquent person and he’s able to describe these policies in great detail and in some respects tell you that night is day and day is night, but people know better."
At least Obama is telling us something...and of course his, Obama's , claim that congress has done nothing is correct...the republicans have done nothing..and some of the democrates have done nothing along with them...It is strange to me that the republicans have even voted against ideas that they had brought up before..and then voted against..all because of Obama being president...and not some fool republican that would have the USA still loosing jobs as we did with Bush and his trickle doen economics. No republican so far has described just how the debt the USA has today will get brought down with more tax cuts for the wealthy....unless the complete cutting our of medicaid and medicare is the answer..along with huge cuts to social security...if... as the republicans want to do , is cut taxes to the bone then cut them all out...congress has not earned its pay in years. Doesn't anyone think it strange that no republican has said they will cut their own pay or insurance cost as they will for medicaid or medicare and those on SS ? Our constitution says..."We the people "...not we the few as the republican claim is today. Its intersting ...Obama has not lost 500k jobs per month since he has been in office as Bush did...Bush did notget a huge debt when he went into office as Obama did... He also did not have a congress unwilling to work with him as Obama has had...If we are to take Obama out of office for not doing his job..then we have 5oo+ other politicans in washington that have to also go...along with all loopholes congress has placed on taxes for the wealthy and big business...bet on one item..if Romney is elected..few if any loopholes will be removed by the republicans....and do not hold your breathe waiting for all those jobs to come back to the USA like Romney wants to make claims of..unless of course wages are cut to nothing so the wealty can get to keep it all. Folks , we have a two party system that is broken...Romney will not fix it..only the voters can do that..if they want to...and from what I have read on here...very few do.
I suspect that Obama's best chance for a big win would be if Romney is stupid enough to choose Ryan. While the teabaggers and hard right may love this thief, choosing him as a running mate will have Romney indivisibly married to Ryan's push to rape the poor and retired. Just as McCain hitched his wagon to bushco and paid dearly for it, the same will occur with Romney if he chooses Ryan. And seniors vote. I hope Anna Molly is right and the sun's about to set on him but if he runs as VP, we can be sure he's finished. So will be Romney. If Romney wins, this country will collapse before his term expires. What a shame he's too prideful to use his brain and see what a box he's stuck in. If he loses, he's lost. If he wins, he's lost. In four years, if we are even still having an election by then, he cannot blame Obama for failing to fix what bushco broke. At least, not successfully blame. I guess if there's a bright side, barring an act of God with a huge economic turn-around (that isn't very likely), the sun will soon set on the GOPs demographics.
Got a few facts to go with that little statement miked? Or did you get the GOP memo this morning from FOX as well saying lie away! Your nominee does and everybody wants to be like Mitt! Oh, that would be such a GREAT slogan! Vote for Mitt and you do can have his lifestyle??? What crap people will believe!
Besides all the tax cuts for the wealthy and spending cuts for social programs so we can "change the work ethic of the welfare-sucking poor???"
Last time I checked, Ryan was a politician, not an economist. If he was an economist, he'd be a lousy one at best.
Very detailed. Pray tell, how are you going to "fix America???" Aside from from giving the "job creating" wealthy more cash from tax cuts and cutting the ropes that many poor and middle class Americans hold on to, what are you going to do about the growing healthcare crisis in America??? What about fixing education, especially costs for college tuition??? Or making sure Wall Street plays fairly???
Folks, the fact that one of the two major political parties in the United States (and perhaps the world), in response to the numerous social and economic challenges facing our great nation, offers a vague proposal to replace the current president and suggests that that will fix America is sad. The Republican Party used to be a party of change; of civil rights, of adequate leadership, and of freedom. Now, this may come as a surprise for many of you because it is coming from a guy who has avowed himself as an ardent opponent of the GOP, but this is what I have come to believe. History reminds us of great Republican presidents, from Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt to Dwight D. Eisenhower. Now, in the modern age, the only notable Republican presidents are infamous, like the Bushes and, to a degree, Ronald Reagan. This party has shifted so far away from the center, that positions that were once considered moderate, such as a strong network of social welfare programs, are now considered socialist. In effect, giving a poor man a dollar in taxpayer money now seems as heretical to the GOP as increasing taxes to cover budget deficits. If we want to re-balance our political system to encourage bipartisanship and legislative efficiency, we must either destroy the GOP and start a new party or give it a strong blow in November, decisive enough to convince the party to revert to a more moderate political stance, but not so much as to rile up the core conservatives who would argue that the party needs to tack farther to the right, into the dark and treacherous realm of fascism. Unless we want the current legislative gridlock to become the accepted norm, we must deal the GOP a blow that will restore balance to our political system.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
ROY WILSON-336103...(#1.38)...
Well aware of Romney's lead in Wisconsin....That wasn't my comment......I was quoting { John B, Des Moines, IA ...(#1.6)..."} comment.
Any Incumbent that has to even defend a State they won by 14 points just 4 years ago is in deep doo-doo.
Wisconsin, Birthplace of the Labor Unions of all places.....THAT, my friend, shows how bad things are for The Obama Regime.
Did ya see the look on Ed Shultz's face when 47 minutes after the polls closed, NBC was calling Walker the Winner....He was obviously watching the "tied" exit poll numbers and couldn't quite figure out how they could call the race so quickly.....PRICELESS !!
MSNBC....Lean Forward, is their slogan....here's the rest... Now Bend Over and Kiss Your Assets Good-Bye
Actually, I have seen considerably more about GOPers bailing on Romney than the other way. But both of these groups will be relatively small, I think. The big question mark is whether the independent and centrist Americans will educate themselves about Romney before the election. I don't think any intelligent person who knows what Romney is all about could support him. That's why he doesn't want to give any specifics about how he'll create 500k jobs/ month. The more you know about Romney, the more concerned you must be unless you're a 1%er or a hopeless fool who would vote even for Satan as long as he had (R) by his name. Pretty unbelievable really that as weak as Obama's job performance has been that this is the best the pugs can manage. 4 more years of bush should fix what he broke for 8 years. Really?
Heartlight3 ...(#1.35)..""I wouldn't be surprised if Romney is right about Wisconsin voting for him. The message I got from the recall is that it is fairly easy to buy Wisconsin voters.""
So what you are saying is that when McCain kept his pledge to accept only Public Financing and Obama broke his pledge to accept only Public Financing and outspent McCain.....he bought the voters of Wisconsin in 2008....
Just want to be clear on that...Am I right ???
Obama is in a corner where he has to defend what he has done. Almost all historical records agree that the trends showing right now will result in another republican deluge in november.
Just the polling trends back in February and March projected to a Republican victory in November.
I understand how you can be deceived. Polling groups are deliberately skewing the results. They are polling out of proportion numbers of the actual electorate by either using higher numbers of democrats, or independents combined with a lower than representative number of Republicans. The second way to skew the result is depend on proportionally larger quanities of registered voter polls over Likely voter polls.
Registered voters can reveal if you can win, Likely voter tells you who is likely to win.
For 4 or 5 weeks Rasmussen (uses likely voter) has shown Romney in the lead most days. For about a week Gallup (uses Registered Voters) has been showing Romney in the lead. It is close yet, and could be turned around, buuuuuuut, the trend is actively going toward Rpmney.
As Apollo 13 "Houston, we have a problem!"
If Wisconsinites vote for Romney, it'll be like buying a pig in a poke. No one has a clue what he really stands for. The man has no convictions.
Say John B and the rest who want to tout the 7% exit poll lead,
Seems to me that the exit polls also showed the race to be a 50% dead heat. In the end, Walker won by - I think - 7%. Seems to be a 7% error in those polls. Pretty much does away with the Obama lead now doesn't it?
What exactly is it that everyone likes about Obama?
8.2% unemployment for almost 3 years now. If it were recorded under the same terms as Bush's 7% unemployment it would read more like 12%.
5 trillion of national debt in 4 years.
What exactly are we cheering 4 more years of?
the best thing about Obama is that he's not Romney. Maybe Obama will succeed...maybe not. But Romney is not a mystery. He is a liar and thief without conscience who believes that the world is his oyster and God wants it that way.
OH where oh where to begin.
1. The reason Obama wouldn't show his face in Wisconsin 2 weeks ago was he didn't want the humiliation of being met by only a handful of Tom Barrett's relatives and close friends. 700 people are 10 times more than what would come out for Obama, and at least 10 of them would be there to heckle his ass.
2. Paul Ryan will crush who ever runs against him.
3. Tammy Baldwin will lose to any of the 4 republicans seeking Herb Kohl's seat in the senate.
4. The current democrat 1 seat control of the Wisconsin Senate will be short lived as the republicans recapture the state senate in November. Too bad for the dems, the senate is out till January.
5. Anna Molly wrote, "This means that taxpayers will be paying the legal fees for the democrats who originally brought the lawsuit -- to the tune of $185,000 -- while Walker and his DOJ slink quietly away and hope no one notices how they wasted taxpayer money".
Anna, where was your indigent outrage and concern for the tax payers of Wisconsin with regard to the money WASTED on these idiotic recall races? $19,000,000 dollars Molly, thats what you childish hissy fit cost me and every other Wisconsin tax payer. Are you for real?? Furthermore, wouldn't dropping the challenge be a good thing??? Would that not actually save tax payers money, as opposed to fighting the judges ruling? I do believe you and your movement is totally unhinged.
6. And finally, lets stop the silly nonsense that Scott Walker outspent Tom Barrett by 20:1 or even 7:1, no in actuality it was about a horse apiece when all campaign sources were added up. OUCH!! That has got to sting, millions and millions and millions spent to undo the 2010 election, and ultimately you'll have absolutely nothing to show for it, (not even the state senate, see bullet point 4), but a HIGHLY MOTIVATED CONSERVATIVE voting block. Good work liberals!!!
7. OH and I nearly forgot, Romney will win Wisconsin.
Maybe Obama will succeed? He has already failed. Miserably at that.
And your ONLY reason for voting for him is because he is not Romney. Pure class.... insert sarcasm.
How insignificant to live your life as a blind sheep....
Lol why on earth do poor/middle class people vote republican?
When you listen to them not one of them have the common man/woman interest on their minds. It's all about getting power back and not letting this BLACK MAN succeed where their guy(s) screwed it all up.
If you think the republicans have your best interest at heart then tell me why have they not passed a jobs bill? Why have they not proposed a jobs bill?
This whole thing suck and they've played the American people for a fool and it's sad to see some are gulping down the Kool-Aid.
NON - OBAMA HAS NOT FAILED!!!!!
He took your country fromr 800,000+ monthly jobs losses to jobs gains. When will you realize that a hole that was as deep as what he had is going to take time. He thought and hoped it could be achieved faster but those far to the right lunatics in Congress are fighting him every step of the way. What is it that you don't understand?
hey hardtostar
did you cut and paste that from the limbaugh letter online edition?
pathetic, Reich wing dribble
NON - OBAMA DID NOT FAIL!!!!
He took your country from a 800,000+ job loss per month to a + jobs gain. Trying to fix the hole that was facing him when he was elected has taken longer than anybody wants, but he has absolutely no help from the far right lunatics in Congress. What part of this do you not understand?
Oh so clever Dexter....., I've never seen that play on words before, how original! Meanwhile, liberal democratic loses continue to mount at an alarming rate.
Liberals are talking from their open wounds, they can't get over from the Wisconsin recall, how ridiculous all these Democrats living town to defend union leaders , they didn't count they they where abandoning their voters too. Walker got more votes in the recall than the first time he was elected and they have a Republican majority in their State Assembly. Leftists are in panic mode because they can lose Wisconsin regardless if Obama won here before. We elect the a president that promises hope and change, a president with no experience and never layout plan to fix the economy, ( something liberals demand from Romney and the media didn't care about Obama's), other than spend and demand more taxes. Obama will get his last flight in AF1 after November 2012 back to Chicago where his friend Rham Emanuel if dealing with more deaths or Hawaii where he will have more time to play Golf.
Over & over again I am amazed that one segment of our population thinks that putting everything on the national credit card for 8 years including 2 unfunded wars PLUS tax cuts could be paid off & the ship righted in less time than it took to sink it !!
THAT is the true UNREALITY of this situation, that & the fact that the same segment believed that the occupants of the primary clown car had any ability to reverse the previous collision course .
Party over country... religion dictating to politics.... profit over people.... corporations writing legislation
all of the above are neither "Christian " nor "Liberal" & none of them advance society, this country or it's people one iota......
and they call the '70s the "ME" generation ??
Ask yourself this:
do you want to vote for the party that told you to buy Duct Tape to protect yourselves with
or the party that ordered OBL taken out ?
That's right. He's had to deal with congressional republicans acting like two year olds refusing to eat their veggie's. What can he do? I know what I would do. I'd send the little bugger's to bed hungry. Those carrots would taste mighty good after awhile.
Oh sure, we know... Romney plans to run negative ads with a "scary voice" saying President Obama plans to take away guns, plans to wage a War on Religion, plans to spend, spend, spend and all the other LIES.
Listen to Scott Walker, Romney. You won't succeed with the referendum -- You have to actually say how you will create jobs, help the economy to recover, how to restore the American Dream for ALL. Oh, but you can't, because all you offer is Bush Updated.
Romney's plan will save 5 million in taxes...for him. Romney -- He's not in it for you.
DB Akron "Obama is in a corner where he has to defend what he has done. Almost all historical records agree that the trends showing right now will result in another republican deluge in november. Polling groups are deliberately skewing the results. They are polling out of proportion numbers of the actual electorate by either using higher numbers of democrats, or independents combined with a lower than representative number of Republicans. The second way to skew the result is depend on proportionally larger quantities of registered voter polls over Likely voter polls."
Good points. In 2008, the breakdown was 39% Democratic and 32% Republican, but now it's about 36% Republican and 34% Democrat. If pollsters use the old 'split' in adjusting their polls, they could be as much as 9% off. Also, the 'Registered Voters vs Likely Voters' spread is significant, and historically accounts for about a 2% to 6% difference in favor of Republicans in the actual election since they are more likely to vote - for example, in 2004 polls of Registered Voters favored Kerry by about 2% but polls of Likely Voters favored Bush by about 2% - Bush won by 2.5%.
Interestingly, most 'pollsters' report 'Registered Voters' polls until just a few weeks before the election and then switch to 'Likely Voters' to avoid an embarrassing error in their polls - typically 'spinning' it as "The race is tightening" if the Republican is behind.
All the misdirection from the left in here does not detract from the fact that this economy is Obama's. That will be the standard by which he will be judged. So, how do you feel about the American economy today, and, more importantly, in October and November?
Remember..."it's the economy, stupid."
Romney will say anything to get votes....no illegals....he had them working in his yard!
I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican. I'm a registered independent and ex-Democrat if it matters, who is a strong libertarian philosophically, so I am socially pretty liberal, and fiscally rather conservative.
I also voted for Obama last time and was willing to give him a chance.
I will not vote for Obama again. I may not necessarily vote for Romney.
But one thing that is interesting to me, and again this is coming from someone who typically agrees with them on social issues, is the level of self deception, delusion, and cloistered ignorance I'm seeing out of the progressives and left wing these days. It appears that the more moderate and centrist Democrats are getting worried, and they should be the trends are not looking up in their favor. But all I see out of the left, and most (I've seen a couple of sage and concerned articles on The New Republic in the past few weeks that are actually looking at their November prospects and do not think they look good presently) but most of the hard core left comments I see on left wing sites like here on MSNBC are just in total denial about the direction many of the voters in the nation are headed right now. It's being reinforced by place like this, and bolstered by spin and propaganda out of other left wing sites like the New York Times, but really, it's fascinating to watch.
I read a cross section of news from many different sources, left wing, right wing, centered, libertarian, progressive, socialist, conservative, whatever... daily. I try to decipher the spin everyone inevitably puts out to try and figure out whats really going on. And what I see is that there is another potential 2010 like wave brewing right now that is threatening to sneak up on the Democrats if they don't start to seriously take stock of their current situation and correct some very serious mistakes they are making.
Laugh it off if you want, bury your head in left wing only sites if it helps guard a fragile ego, but whatever you do you aren't going to be able to hide from reality forever. November is coming.
I'm just glad SOMEBODY finally told Ramenie what his opinion was on something.
And Walker is still there because people didn't like the recall process. I doubt he'll win his next election.
Save your BS JPM. No one is buying it. You are another right wing schill trying to pretend to be something else.
Hmmm, did anyone expect Romney to say he would lose WI? How ridiculous can these threads get?
Oskar....still grouchy...how's the garbage can.........seen Cookie Monster or Kermit lately?
Willard is the one with the failed record, and he will lose Wisconsin.
You revealed your true colors with the following post. You don't know what in the hell you are talking about and you are a racist, bigot and a hypocrite to the nth degree:
Job1
#2.15
Rick,
You think whatever you want. However, I know the truth and what you see in that older post I made is your opinion and not a fact.
I stand by my statement and I don't care what you think.
Liberals you get funnier with your posts! How come the liberals here don't talk about the problem Obama has had filling seats where he goes to speak? Why not? So Fiesty and the other noobs here please respond! hahahah
Oh if I recall, Obama has basically told the Supreme court his HC is going to be ruled legal. So is Obama calling that? I mean I wouldnt expect either party to go anywhere and say, "Yeah, I am going to lose" Come on!
SILLY LIBS! :)
@James, here is an article for you: http://www.politicususa.com/obama-empty-arena-ohio.html
Obama’s Empty Arena Had 5 Times More People In It than Romney’s Ever Drawn
Eric, can you find a similiar article here on MSNBC? I find it silly you are comparing this to Mitt speaking at a factory where people are working......hahahaha good try though, spin it till you believe it!!!!
So, no response with Obama calling his HC legal and that he believes the Supreme court will rule in his favor? I mean should he be calling that? What is the difference with this and Mitt calling WI?
I been to see the President twice and thousands couldn't get in for lack of space. However, if you want to see Romney speak, well that's pretty easy.
And I stand behind what I said 100%%. People like you are what is wrong with this country.
Well you go right ahead. However, I feel people like you are the problem. Do yourself a favor and open your eyes and think.
The number of people at a campaign event has too many variables to even be talking about.
1. Is the person speaking the current president or a candidate (current president will draw more just so you can say you saw the president speak)
2. Are they in a conflicting area? (Obama speaking in a blue area will draw more than Romney in a blue area).
3. Location? (Don't compare Romney speaking at a factory to Obama speaking at an arena)
Those are a few to start with. Bush came and spoke in my home town towards the end of his term. The place was packed but only handled a few thousand people. There were quite a few there that didn't even like him that came to see him.
Tired rhetorical tactic. Predict you will win. If you win you demonstrate your courage, if you lose, who cares. Remember Newter's predictions.
Only question is why MSNBC would bother with this trivia.
So, Job 1-You think the Civil War was fought over slavery? Think again. The fact of the matter, is that free blacks existed in the South during the Civil War, fought for the South, and owned slaves themselves. Read this article, which was written by an African American. As many as 60,000-93,000 blacks fought for the South. Very interesting read.
http://www.civilwarhome.com/blacks.htm
James 21--/The health care system in this country is a disaster! We pay more than any other developed nation and we receive less from it. We are no better than any,but less efficient than most. We spend more on education than any other nation,but have worse results than many.We have among the worst social security system than most of Western Europe.We are suffering as big a job loss as they because of the same actions as Europe,the outsourcing of our jobs. You are advocating the continuance of the same disastrous actions that has been allowed and which the Rep/Tea party are happy to see continue. How can you seriously think that business as usual,is preferable to forcing all of the people to give more and yes,expect the 1% of our population to stop looting our country.
Rasmussen, the most accurate pollster in the last 2 Presidential elections (less than 1% error) has Romney ahead of Obama in Wisconsin 47% to 44%. Here's the link;
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/wisconsin/election_2012_wisconsin_president
Candidates only predict a win when they're desperate to fire up the base and see what's possible. When a victory is actually possible candidates never predict it. Predicting a win in a political speech is very similar to hearing a sports team owner express confidence in his head coach. It usually means they're a couple of months away from pulling out.
@ listoire
I see your knowledge of Western Europe is lacking, to say the least. Europe is well known for socialized programs, including medicine, which, of course, they have serious problems with. If you need an operation, you better believe you're going to be waiting for a while! My wife communicates with friends from England, and they have nothing positive to say about their socialized medicine. Go figure.
By the way, what's with the 1% thing? So, by the left's reasoning, 3 million should be able to support the wants and needs of the other 297 million??? Even if the "1%" were bled dry, the country still couldn't even make it through 1 year. The numbers just don't add up!
Mitt must be off of his meds again if he things he has a snowball's chance of winning Wisconsin. 13BVET, your personal experiences don't matter. The statistics show that 60%-70% of the people in Britain support their system of socialized medicine. The stories about long waits and being denied services, etc., are mostly myth and urban legends meant to scare people in the United States, a kind of boogieman the insurance industry uses to keep making profits off of other people's suffering. There are some waits for elective procedures, but not to the degree you are suggesting. Compare this to the American system, who wants to stand in line for something that he/she can't afford anyway? The healthcare industry should not be a for profit industry. And as far as the 1% go, when they own 90% of the wealth in the nation, then they should be expected to pay 90% of the costs.
ATTN: Freedom Loving Americans, make no mistake about it! Mitt and the Republicans want to turn all you Middle-Class people into SERFS (yes! serfs), so they can have an endless supply of warm-bodies for their corporative factories where they're produce mindless luxury items for the idle-rich and the 1% percenters.
Mitt and the Republicans also need your Kids as CANNON-FODDER (yes! cannon-fodder) for their illegal and obscene Black Hawk and Haliburton foreign oil-driven Wars. That's not just pathetic, that's sick.
How do I know all this? Remember, I was once a proud Republican, but now I am so ashamed of my Party, I am going to vote a straight Democratic ticket, come this November 2012. I encourage all my fellow Republicans, Conservatives, Liberterians, and Freedom Loving Independents to Vote a Democratic ticket.
God Bless you, and God Bless the U.S.A.
In some countries, yes, waiting times are longer. However, the French, who we accuse of having socialized medicine, have the best healthcare system according to the World Health Organization. And at least in countries with universal healthcare they don't have tens of thousands of people dying every year because they couldn't afford an operation.
England is not the entire socialized world; there are some countries with universal healthcare that have very short waiting periods.
Not necessarily. We lefties believe that everyone ought to pay their fair share, and also think that the 1% have been getting most of the breaks over the past 30 years of supply-side economics. Wealthy paying households are paying less as a share of their income than in the late 90s. The top 1% have had their income increase by 275%, but their tax burden has dropped 37%. That ain't fair. We don't just want the 1% to pay; everyone ought to contribute. Stop trying to deflect our statements and seek the truth.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
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the cbo constantly lies they cook the numbers to show what obammy wants them to
So a candidate predicts he's (she's) going to win!! That's news??? Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Pizza Man --- all predicted they were going to win the Republican nomination. McCain predicted he was going to win in 2008. This is NOT a news story.
Obama is the President of the United States of America, anyone who has a chance to go see the President of the United States of America will do so whether they agree with the office holder's politics or not. President Bush drew far larger crowds than Kerry during his 2004 run. Bush Sr drew larger crowds than Clinton during his bid for re-election. Its the office, not the man.
Freshieee
Three factors used by WHO to measure Healthcare
1 Health (50%) disability-adjusted life expectancy
2 Responsiveness (25%) speed of service, protection of privacy and quality of amenities
3 Fair financial contribution: 25%
The WHO rankings are subject to a lot of criticism
Life expectancy measures: Not all countries measure life expectancies the same. Their measures are useless for trying to determine the effectiveness of a health care system. The U.S. is ethnically a far more diverse nation than most other industrialized nations. Factors associated with different ethnic backgrounds, culture, diet, etc., can have a substantial impact on life expectancy. Comparisons of distinct ethnic populations in the U.S. with their country of origin find similar rates of life expectancy. Example, Japanese-Americans have an average life expectancy similar to that of Japanese in Japan.
The UN’s Statistics Division, which collects data on infant mortality, stipulates that an infant, once it is removed from it’s mother and then "breathes or shows any other evidence of life such as beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles... is considered
live-born regardless of gestational age." The U.S. follows that definition, many other nations do not. In Switzerland "an infant must be at least 30 centimeters long at birth to be counted as living."
Italy has at least three different definitions for infant deaths in different regions of the nation. Japan counts only births to Japanese nationals living in Japan, not abroad. Finland, France and Norway, by contrast, do count births to nationals living outside of the country. Belgium includes births to its armed forces living outside Belgium but not births to foreign armed forces living in Belgium. Canada counts births to Canadians living in the U.S., but not Americans living in Canada. Many nations count births that are in no way an indication of the efficacy of their own health care systems. Some of these countries don’t count those infants born at say 20 weeks or prematurely, then only count full term. Again, US follows UN’s definition regardless of when the infant is born. Infant mortality is measured far too inconsistently to make comparisons useful. Thus, just like life expectancy, infant mortality is not a reliable measure of the merits of health care systems.
Responsiveness: lets us Princes Di as an example. As discovered in France’s Inquest, Princess Di might have survived a car crash if French medics had brought her to a hospital faster rather than treating her at
the scene. The accident occurred about 12:25 a.m. But it was not until 1:40 a.m. that she was considered stable enough to be taken to a French hospital across Paris, where she arrived at 2:06 a.m.
That would have never happened here. She would have immediately been life flighted to the nearest triage hospital and wheeled into surgery right away. Sure, they had a quick response but they wasted two hours getting her the treatment she needed.
One doesn't have to read WHO which isn't and has been proven not to be an accurate measure, all one has to look at is the Tens of thousands of foreigners who travel to the United States every year for care. Why is that? Certainly not because they are looking for worst health care? No, because they can get far better treatment here. In addition, the United States leads the world in survival rates for 13 of the 16 most common types of cancer. So no, countries abroad don't have "tens of thousands of people who dying every year" because they all travel here for their treatments so they can survive!!!
Fair contribution: Poor are covered under Medicaid, no one is ever turned away for being treated in a hospital in this country. No one!
Well sure, ANYTHING that disagrees with Conservative talking points is inherently biased...EVERYONE knows that!
Romneyhood - stealing from the poor and giving to his cars.
jane - "Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Wisconsin right next door to Waziristan, Afghanistan?
Do you have a problem with Wisconsin? It's a beautiful state in a wonderful country, with decent people from diverse backgrounds. It is proudly called Americas Dairyland, not Afghanistans.
And there you have it. The entire Republican economic plan:
"I got to tell you we have a little stimulus plan of our own and the stimulus plan is renowned by economists, like Paul Ryan," Priebus said. "Here is the stimulus plan: elect Mitt Romney, fire Barack Obama, and save America, right?"
WOW! I mean WOW!! The whoppers from RNC PR BS just get bigger and bigger, don't they? Someone show me EVEN ONE scholarly paper on the subject that has Paul Ryan's name.
CBO says the Ryan budget will put $10.Trillion on the deficit.
Yet Romney is all about it.
All the GOP congressionals voted FOR it.
The GOP has become the King of the WHOOPERS!
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) also tried to throw the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office under the bus, back in 2010 when he couldn't convince anyone of his numbers.
At the time, a senior GOP congressional spoke up and said NO, Ryan couldn't say that - because it is important to have a non-partisan base for everyone.
Don't try to convince folks that there are no facts, or no accurate predictions made from factual data.
There ARE facts. There ARE truths, despite FAUX News attempts to re-write whatever suits the GOP party.
Backhouse
Tell us what happened to the CBO's predicted surplus during the Clinton administration
And the CBO predicted a budget surplus that would last for years based on the Social Security deductions that the Clinton administration put "on budget". The only problem with that was that the dot-com boom that caused the surplus in the first place went bust.
Keep in mind too that Clinton's budget director was Franklin Raines. The same Franklin Raines that generated himself a 9 million dollar bonus by using some creative bookkeeping while he was CEO at Fannie Mae.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/24/the-dot-com-bubble-how-to-lose-5-trillion/
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/r/franklin_d_raines/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines
Ryan's budget plans are like a boat with screen doors.
Who saw the collapse coming- after 30 years of deregulation, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and tax cuts for the rich?
The first we knew officially as a nation, was when President Bush signed TARP in Sep/Oct 2008 to keep the Banks from crashing completely.
GWB's two unpaid-for war, sweet Pharma deal, and two tax cuts for the high-end - pushed it all over the top.
First tax cuts in a time of war. And two wars. All unpaid-for.
It all came tumbling down - a monstrosity of decades - the result of the rich conspiring to get richer on the backs of ordinary people.
Obama simply HAS NO BUDGET plans.
Backhouse
If is common knowledge that failure to regulate the derivatives market is the primary reason for the severity and tenacity of this recession. Since you are so intelligent why don't you tell me who fought regulation of that market the hardest. I will include a link for you to read.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/interviews/born.html
Where've you been?
On the President's Budget:
"We now face a make-or-break moment for the middle class and those trying to
reach it. After decades of eroding middle-class security as those at the very
top saw their incomes rise as never before and after a historic recession that
plunged our economy into a crisis from which we are still fighting to recover,
it is time to construct an economy that is built to last."
From the President's Fiscal Budget for the year 2013, February 13th 2012.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/
GOP/Romney/Ryan/Norquist STAND FOR DEREGULATION, letting the 'free market' do its own thing, trying to cut taxes for the wealthy down to ZERO.
The "You are on your own" upper-class view of the rest of the population was and isstill the AynRand/Friedman manifesto embraced by GOP.
Romney is even further to the right.
And to our knowledge, this has been the first "Taliban insurgency" (SENATOR Sessions, R-Alabama) upon a sitting President in our history.
Paul Ryan is not an economist! He is just another silver spoon baby like most of them. Why is it some of these politicians making less than $200k a year and after years of service suddenly become multi-millionaires??
Rick --
When they become too big to fail and too big to regulate it's time to break them up, lest we find ourselves in another Great Recession or Great Depression.
Agreed?
Rick - Dubya policy took care of that surplus and the balanced budget he inherited. Where have you been? He turned it into a $1.4 Trillion annual deficit and collapsed the entire economy. Does any of this sound familiar? It wasn't that long ago.
If is common knowledge that failure to regulate the derivatives market is the primary reason for the severity and tenacity of this recession. Since you are so intelligent why don't you tell me who fought regulation of that market the hardest.
Republican Phil Gramm (whose wife Wendy made a bundle as an Enron board member) and Republican Alan Greenspan.
Of course the picture isn't complete until you ask who insisted on overturning Glass-Steagall, allowing banks to mix deposits with investments. That was Republican Phil Gramm (starting to see a pattern here), Republican Jim Leach, and Republican Tom Bliley.
Thanks for asking!
Upset loser:
Bush inherited a recession. The Dot.com popped in the 2nd quarter of 1999 and the projected surplus was adios.
Go look at your retirement/401k statements from 3rd 4th quarter 1999 if you have any as you were probably 5 yrs old at the time.
As for the derivitives fiasco, the people behind it were Greenspan, Geithner and Sommers....All of them currently work for Obama .
upset, it just wasn't all that visible unless you looked for it because some of the big expenses were kept off the budget so the deficit numbers were artificially manipulated to seem less than they actually were. Those who were paying attention knew that the war fairy was not actually paying for the wars, the taxpayers were. The FOX viewers just didn't know it because the President was telling them the war fairy was paying, and they bought it.
Backhouse
I asked you politely to answer that question for me yet you totally failed. Just like democrats everywhere you don't want anybody to know the facts.
Dont_carry_it_all
Rick --
I'm not sure I understand what that had to do with my post.
As hard as folks give you the facts, you return and do it over again.
Faux News has faux facts.
GOP/Koch/Big Money/Real estate moguls/Wall Street/ is sabotaging our economy now, and then did it then.
Your answer in FULL.
Factual, you say?
Your comment at #3.18 has ZERO in it that I wrote:
Your first paragraph consists of your own words at #3.9.
Your second paragraph was written by John B, in response to you at #3.15.
Looks pretty slippery to me.
Backhouse, You frequently flatter yourself by magically elevating your "OPINIONS" to the status of facts. They simply are not. It is an ill-conceived by-product of your self-appointed superiority complex. #3.19 is merely an example of your failed "facts".
Quite simply, the surplus disappeared after the dot-com crash and was reversed by the Bush policies. The CBO's estimates were, admittedly, a bit fantastic, but we were certain that there would be at least a modest cumulative surplus over the next decade. The dot-com didn't necessarily create the surplus; chances are that it just provided a large boost to it. But, even after the dot-com crash, there was the perfectly rational probability that we could return to surpluses (or at least a balanced budget) by simply enacting a program of tax hikes and/or reform and spending cuts. That would, in itself, help us prepare for the storm of retiring Baby Boomers. Unfortunately, President Bush didn't think that that was good. Instead, he proposed a $3.5 trillion tax cut and added trillions more in spending measures that condemned us to years, even decades, of looming deficits. That was compounded by the recession.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Did you check out the President's Budget I linked for you?
The fact is, I wish it WASN'T true that:
The GOP senior congressionals have been trying to commit National Suicide by sabotaging our economy since Day One, and been caught out doing it;
I wish it wasn't true that they want to install a President for the benefit of one-tenth of 1% of our population;
I wish it wasn't true that they're doing it at any price to ordinary people.
I wish all of that was not true.
I didn't create that reality, and you probably didn't either.
Backhouse the CBO says these things, not what you say
http://www.advisorone.com/2011/04/07/cbo-says-ryan-budget-to-raise-deficit-in-short-ter
Unfortunately, DB, most of the savings come from seniors and poor people losing Medicare and welfare benefits. Not to mention the fact that the cuts to Medicaid would raise costs and reduce coverage...
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
The reason for the derivatives were mainly due to lenders wanting to protect their exposed flank when forced by a democratic congress to basically lend money to anyone with a pulse. The lenders knew these people would not be able to make payments so the derivatives were invented as a means to protect themselves from losses. The trouble was, when the system failed, it took many who were originally capable of making payments down with those who never stood a chance. Had congress left things alone and not forced lenders to implement liberal lending practices, the economic recession of 08 would have been a fraction of what it ended up being.
Backhouse
Who saw the collapse coming- after 30 years of deregulation, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and tax cuts for the rich?
The first we knew officially as a nation, was when President Bush signed TARP in Sep/Oct 2008 to keep the Banks from crashing completely.
GWB's two unpaid-for war, sweet Pharma deal, and two tax cuts for the high-end - pushed it all over the top.
First tax cuts in a time of war. And two wars. All unpaid-for.
It all came tumbling down - a monstrosity of decades - the result of the rich conspiring to get richer on the backs of ordinary people.
Ok, that is a cut and paste of the first paragraph that you wrote so that is lie number one. If you did not write it then why did you not tag it as a quote.
Second of course the second paragraph was my own words It was a cut and paste from an earlier post just like you noted. You @!$%#s will grab at anything to hide your ignorance.
Third is why in the hell did you not address Brooksley Born's warnings that fell on deaf ears in 1998. If Clinton had listened then there is a very good chance that the severity and length of this recession would not be anywhere near as bad.
As far as the end of Glass - Steagal, I think that was a hell of a coincidence that happened after Robert Rubin told John S. Reed of Citifcorp that there would be no problem for their merger with The Travelers Group a full two years before Gramm - Leach- Bliley. And I guess it was also a hell of a coincidence that Robert Rubin recieved a payout of 126 million from Citigroup after he left Fannie Mae.
So far Obama has paid for the war in exactly the same way Bush did and in both instances the expenditures where charged against the national debt.
And big pharma got a hell of a deal from Obama
I said in the previous post "after Fannie Mae" Robert Rubin made the 126 million from Citigroup after he resigned as Bill Clinton's secretary of the treasury. BTW, at the time the merger of Citicorp and The Travelers Group was illegal per Glass-Steagal.
Even the nuns in Cedar Rapids went after Ryan (he says he is a Catholic and they question his actions) because his budget is draconian towards the non-affluent.
Cutting jobs does not reduce the deficit. This has been proved across Europe, where some unemployment figures are at 25%. Even U.K. is at 11%.
Ryan is an Ayn Rand fantatic. His staff have to read her books. If you don't know, look up what she stood for. GOP and Norquist uphold this approach to the economy STILL, even after it has destroyed the global economy and darn near destroyed the U.S. economy.
Aggressive cuts to safety nets does not work and have led Europe to fail - and the people to march in the streets. And in Greek, they won. Europe will have to reverse decades of damage from the Austerity cut, cut, cut, Ryan-style approach. There is nothing more to cut and CANNOT work following a recession.
Read what they are saying in Europe. Watch the BBC World Wide News.
Ryan's budget goes in the opposite direction. The Economic Policy Institute says that the Ryan Budget will cause a net loss of 4.1 million jobs over the next 2 years.
Just like the U.S, the answer in Europe is to grow jobs. Our President has proposed 2 million jobs in the American Jobs Act. GOP said No and would not allow it to be debated 3 times. Watch what they do with the Transportation Bill, that will also create jobs. Over the last 3 years, they relentlessly blocked jobs bills as well as small business bills.
But you did not hear about it on Faux News.
Since Romney claims it's a Ryan Stimulus Bill....What is it? Where are we spending the money? How is it being paid for? How is it judged by independent analysis?
You want to claim to be fically conservative...now's your chance to prove it to America.
If not it's just political pandering.
You know, really, her is the Republican plan to help the economy:
"I got to tell you we have a little stimulus plan of our own and the stimulus plan is renowned by economists, like Paul Ryan," Priebus said. "Here is the stimulus plan: elect Mitt Romney, fire Barack Obama, and save America, right?"
That's not going to work! Who among you really thinks that's going to work? How about a plan, Republicans, any plan?
What part of IOKIYAR don't you understand?
No, no, all of it! The only reason we are deficit spending so hard right now is beacuse of the mistakes of the Bush administration. But, once again, what part of IOKIYAR don't you understand?
It is OK to spend like a drunken sailor as long as you are Republican! It is OK to ruin the economy as long as you are Republican! And they are going to do it again! But that's OK, because they are Republican!
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Amy - I'll see your "d" and raise you an "e"
I'm out!
I know when to fold em... ☺
Feisty, I bluffed you out HaHa! All I have is a pair of Mittens and a Ryan Kicker. That's a pretty @!$%#ty hand.... Amy what are you holden?
DANGNABIT!
I'll get you next my friend! ;o)
I'm holding on to the Obama administration. I win.
Wow ! Such deep conversation from the libbies on this thread about the article ..... NOT !
Obama has no plan to handle the budget deficits. Even Dana Millbank has an article today talking about Obama re-hashing the same, old tired rhetoric. Furthermore, no Obama budget has yet to receive the first vote from his own party !
Wisconsonites are beginning to wake up to reality that Mitt offers more than the empty suit in the White House.
jim-1455434
like Romney charging a fee for being blind? Is that what he has more to offer????
On top of that, Romney also proposed imposing a fee on the mentally retarded - how else could he pay for the tax cuts for the rich?
Perhaps you need to read Obamacare where Obama has raised taxes on medical devices, tanning booth tax, raised the AGI floor for medical deductions, limited the amount eligible for a medical reimbursement plan, put a medicare tax on stock gains, and potentially taxing gain on the sale of a personal residence.
Obama's goal is to eliminate deductions for medical expenses thus hitting the elderly and sick the hardest. Of course, Obama SAID he would only raise taxes on those making over $200k/$250k per year.
jim-1455434...And in the earlier version, ObamaCare had a Tax on Elective Cosmetic Surgery....Pelosi went bat-shyt crazy, the Cosmetic Surgeons Lobby went ape-shyt crazy and started writing checks.....That's how they ended up putting in the Tanning Booth Tax...and it's a very racist tax too.....Targeting only Melanin challenged Americans....mostly in the middle class....hmmmm
"Melanin challenged ! ..... OH that is simply too funny !!! I must give you 4 points extra credit for that one. Yes, it is a racist tax because few, if any, "caucasianally challenged" (not my terminology but a guy here at work) individuals have ever been seen going into or exiting from a tanning salon.
Only a couple of GOP nitwits could come the conclusion that the real racism in America is a tax on tanning booths.
Good thing for you two neither of you lived in Massachusetts when Mittens wanted impose a fee on mental retardation.
How much would that fee have cost you ?
I dunno Jim. I get pretty pasty in the winter but since I have a community pool just 3 blocks from my house I do OK in the summer months. Swimming > jogging,at least with MY knees,lol.
Plus I'm a pretty avid golfer and work my veggie and herb gardens diligently.
Nice pull assuming anyone disagreeing with your scree must not be white though. I'm sure such prescient insight has taken you far in life.
jim-1455434
The 2.3% sales tax on medical devices will have a minimal effect on consumers and the medical device industry, but will have a profound positive effect by helping to fund expansion of health insurance coverage to millions of Americans.
Jimmy, people need health insurance before they can afford the medical devices. Instead, you put the cart before the horse. You need to understand the supply and demand BUT only when backed by the purchasing power.
Yes, Boehner will suffer because of this one.
Well, if we are all covered and have no medical co-pays, deductions, out-of-pockets, co-insurances, what do you need deductions for medical expenses for?
But you are for Americans not having insurance and those who can still afford insurance pay for those who do not?
I would rather lose all my deductions than keep getting bills on top of bills after my insurance pays for my doctor visit. Wouldn’t it be nice to just pay your monthly premium and that’s it??????
so Romney will have to pay his share of FICA? Most of us average joes already pay FICA.
Did you get your talking point from: a story and an e-mail floating around claiming that the recent health care reform bill would impose a 3.8 percent "sales" tax on the sale of every home??? - link provided.
The sources of this misinformation is comes from -where else? - from GOP.gov (official website of Republicans in Congress).
As opposed to the Ryan plan which would raise taxes on low-income working families — those making up to $30,000 a year?
kennyw-
How can you afford golf, which is certainly not a cheap sport? Hell, I can't afford it!
????
What are you inferring BVET,that since I'm a Democrat I must be a poor welfare recipient or something?
LOL,that's far from the case.
But I am frugal as well so I do take advantage of off hours greens fees when I can.
Quite the opposite. I actually believe that Democrats tend to have more money than Repubs-at least here they do. So, how much have you donated to the poor?
Oh bay lie, Your attempt at a reply is, once again, an attempt to ignore reality. I am not surprised since this is coming from you !
People who have teenagers can suddenly get hit with several years of high medical expenses for wisdom teeth removal and braces. Most insurance policies do not cover this and many dental plans do not either. But you are INTENTIONALLY dodging the point that Obama's RAISING the AGI will reduce a medical deduction and RAISE TAXES.
Finally, your ridiculous comment "Well, if we are all covered and have no medical co-pays, deductions, out of pocket, co-insurances, what do you need deduction for medical expenses for ?" .... is simply absurd. I have insurance and co-pays exist on several prescriptions for myself, my son and other members of my family. Being allowed to "keep my insurance" as Obama proclaimed, has not magically made my co-pays to disappear !
Furthermore, a few years back, an elderly client of my mine suffered a broken hip. Her hospitalization, related drugs, bone density enhancing injections, nursing assistance and yes, medically recommended modifications to her bathroom facilities ..... all amounted to over $15,000 in one year for this Medicare patient existing on retirement income. Obama would take away her deduction and raise taxes on her !!
Also, genius, one does not have to have the wealth of Mitt Romney to have an investment account with a broker. Most of us who actually try to PLAN FOR THE FUTURE have one, and Obama's taxation of stock gains is merely another example of one of his FAILED PROMISES ..... because my income level is not $200K/$250k.
jim,
with all your examples of what's not cover all you have proven to me is that our health insurance system is broken. Not only do we pay for premiums but for everything else that is not covered. That's exactly what I was saying so thanks for agreeing!
BTW, sorry if I don't feel bad for people like Romney having to pay more. Maybe he won't be able to deduct $77000 as a loss for the 1/3rd of the horse his wife owns.
The Ryan stimulus plan should scare everyone but the very wealthy. Privatize everything and let capitalism sink every safety net out there.
So tell me how increasing Defense spending to levels they don't even ask for isn't hypocritical for a party advocating spending cuts.
And what is Obama's plan?
That is how they get their kick backs from the defense contractors.
Obama has no plan. He is clueless. That is why he wants to talk about anything and everything BUT the national debt and the economy.
Ruken
Defense levels will have to increase because China, Russia, India, Iran, and others are increasing theirs. right now in some respects we have enough military equipment to handle the whole world, in other aspects such as quantity of personel, we are don't have enough. We are betting that our technological superiority will be enough to overcome quantity. Sometimes it can, Sometimes it doesn't.
In the next couple of years, enough equipment is coming on line in China, Spain, India, and others that to have an edge we would have to ally with Great Brittain and Australia.
Right after his moon walk, he will impress somebody in Wisconsin with his cheesy lies. Nobody here needs a scarecrow in a silk suit or a manure spreader.
We are happy to expose Romney to our dairy air.
I'm voting for Romney, because he's a real american! Oh wait, he's an achor baby, isn't he? Wasn't his dad an illegal alien from Mexico? Oh well...forget that!
Bloody weekend. Sounds like Chicago could use a good "Community Organizer". Let's send them one........
how much federal money did Wis. use to make everything right?
President Obama's Political beliefs run on the practise of:
Divide et impera, Divide and conquer.
1. war on Women.
2. War on the rich.
3. War on Religion.
5 War on race.
As for Romney a little bird told me that he will be releasing his taxes for the last 5 years real soon.
Concern: Five years is not enough. He's been running for Office at least 7 or 8 years now. Let's see what he did before he decided to run.
Maybe you could get Obama to release his college transcripts. Has Obama ever had basci courses in accounting, economics or finance ? Did he take coursework which might reveal an extreme leftist ideology ?? If Obama is such a genius as all liberals like to believe, why not prove it ?
I want to see his fathers father taxes........ and I want to see Mr Obama's fathers fathers ............ do they have taxes in Kenya? Maybe we can see his travel records.
Perhaps when every other President starts doing so. As for now, I think the President should wait. I also have the view that some people find it had to believe that a black man can be so smart and they want to base an argument that would sound like, "see I told you affirmative action got him in that great college."
Obama is supposed to submit an annual budget proposal for the largest economy in the world. It might be useful to know if he even has the slightest concept of a realistic budget proposal. So far, Obama's budget "offerings" have smelled so bad that no one in his own party has voted for them !
It doesn't have a damn thing to do with his skin color so grow the he11 up ! I could care less if he was black, white, brown, mulatto, pink, yellow, green or chartreuse !! I want some indication he has the tools to handle the financial end of our economy !!! Our country is $16 trillion in debt and still rising .... Obama has no plan !!!!
I seem to remember a proposal by Obama to cut spending in exchange for more revenue. A 3 to 1 ratio of cuts to revenue.
Can you guess who said no, and why? It was Boehner because he wouldn't break the Norquist petition.
And Obama has submitted a budget every year. It just comes back from the House as an unrecognizable mess called the Ryan proposal.
I'll see your 2012 budget http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021400906.html?hpid=topnews
And raise you a 2013 budget http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/14/AR2011021400906.html?hpid=topnews
It isn't the President's fault Conservatives are high on the Ayn Rand drug and unable to recognize or even debate responsible budgeting.
What? An "indication"? Try tuning past Rush Limbaugh on your radio dial and avoiding to Fox tv.
Last year's budget proposal from Obama was shot down 97 to 0 in the Senate ... no one in his own party voted for Obama's proposal.
This year's budget proposal from Obama calls for even more spending, but Harry Reid will not allow it to come up for a vote.
Obama simply wants to be King Obama and make unilateral decisions on what HE thinks is fair, totally abandoning the status of Congress to make the laws of our country. It is his way of skirting the intended Separation of Powers that was specifically designed into the Constitution.
1. war on Women.
2. War on the rich.
3. War on Religion.
5 War on race.
Concerned - These are all right wing issues, not O's, and they have no problems being vocal about them when pandering for votes....
Those are all liberal talking points. There is no war on women or race.
Yes.
The libtards must take every attempt to move away from Obama's record.
The focus has to be on race, class warfare, religion... anything but his abysmal performance
You know since my wife has discovered the "war on women" She has not allowed me to mention "vagina" Since we live in Detroit .....when ever the news comes on in the last few days.....the word "vagina" has been on ...I have to turn the tv off. Sigh........... all this over "vagina" Just imagine what would happen if we made this big a deal over testicles........ and we have two of those.
She isn't the only one...the word apparently horrifies the Michigan Republican Party as well. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/352780/20120615/michigan-state-lisa-brown-banned-jewish-vagina.htm?page=all
Wingnuts are out tonite!!! Bunch of crazies... keep saying the same old rhetoric repeated from Faux News and they actually believe the BS! LOL Funny!!! The truth will come out when Rompey is in the debate without his trainers or teleprompters!! CAN YOU SAY, "DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS"???? :-)
Speaking of religion
The Mormon Church has bragged the Book of Mormon is “the most correct book on the face of the earth”. Those words were uttered for the first time by none other than Joseph Smith himself on Sunday, October 28, 1841.
“I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”
Wingnuts are out tonite!!! Bunch of crazies... keep saying the same old rhetoric repeated from Faux News and they actually believe the BS! Wingnuts are out tonite!!! Bunch of crazies... keep saying the same old rhetoric repeated from Faux News and they actually believe the BS! Wingnuts are out tonite!!! Bunch of crazies... keep saying the same old rhetoric repeated from Faux News and they actually believe the BS! Wingnuts are out tonite!!! Bunch of crazies... keep saying the same old rhetoric repeated from Faux News and they actually believe the BS! Wingnuts are out tonite!!! Bunch of crazies... keep saying the same old rhetoric repeated from Faux News and they actually believe the BS! BS! BS! BS! bs! bs! bs bs b b b
Who said this President does not lie?
Barack Obama quoted - “Twelve judges have thrown out legal challenges to the health care law because they rejected "the notion that the health care law was unconstitutional."
Politifact Score two to two on judges' decisions on constitionality.
Gingerbread Mamma, are you ok, have not seen you much after you go deleted last Fiday. What is it with that?
Ok back to work now, see you later.
He makes lies way worse than that.
I think the Gingerbread Momma got slapped down for plagiarism. Cutting and pasting does have its limitations.
lmao......yea poor momma!
The in. All the in of major pacts. He will never raise taxes and cut spending, but not any cuts to the in. Seems like a destructive practice- to take jobs, and social programs, meanwhile not create jobs and social programs. Neither the in pasts need, and get rewards for simple cuts. The no new taxes, even to the ones who want to pay fair taxes get no new taxes. These pacts- of pledged support got him there. And the pledges of pacts- are really against what really is needed.The crisis- of economics- that all came from pledges.
Romney should take every state. Every American knows President Obama has failed in his first term. Why would anyone with 4 brain cells in their head vote for him again.
rudkidding47 - I'll be happy and proud to vote for President Obama again, especially considering the gop is offering a cult member instead of a real candidate. All I have to do is remember what we we had to live with for 8 years and the choice is very clear. Hope and change are working very well for me and my family, thanks for asking, sorry you missed the opportunity to join us.
lmao....... really come here to Detroit! Its not working very well here at all! When I drive through Tenn. I see many anti union bumper stickers.
unionbaby. as usual you are wrong.
Hey JOS1 how's that job in Detroit going? You know, the one where you help the Chinese outsource American auto jobs?
jos- Detroit has been in trouble for a long, long time. Mich will never recover unless the auto industry recovers. I wish the politicians would bring ALL outsourced jobs BACK to America..............
Well, williard can pretend he knows what to do on a factory floor all he wants, but we all know that would be a injustice to the men and women who actually know how to do the real work. he can pander to the Christian right all he wants, but Graham and company have yet to endorse him - know why? Because he is a Morman, and all Baptists (specifically the SBC), Churches of Christ, Methodists, Presbyterians, and Penticostals have for generations pounded it into everyone's head at every opportunity that Mormanism is a cult (which it is) and they can't backtrack all those generations of rebuffing it, no matter their political leanings. Mitt may carry quite a few states, but he will not do nearly as well in the south as he'd need to or like to. He had a big fundraiser in Williamson county week before last - never heard how much money was raised, Williamson county happens to be one of the few middle Tennessee counties with a Morman community building (can't really call it a church) and a Morman population, the rest of the state and south - not so much. If America is looking for a Christian they better not count on the GOP this go round, cause Mitt is not one, nor is any member of his immediate family.
so mormons are not christians?.........every religion is a cult for that matter........and if you are worried about the mormon church, you should be even more worried about obama and reverend wright.....obama is a liar, a distorter, and a divider.......
You seem to forget that Mitt Romney's father was President of American Motors. He has probably had more exposure to a factory floor than you have had to reality.
I am truly amazed, however, that so many of you so-called "Progressives" show such a backwards, hateful attitude towards Mr. Romney's religion. Your true religious intolerance simply shows your extreme, LWNJ attitude. But, if Obama's religious background was questioned .... why you would have a duck fit !
As long as he is not passing around poisonous snakes in church, Romney's Mormon religion is a non-issue .... although you libbies try ever so desperately to make it an issue !
Jim they have to make everything an issue, because they know Mr. Obama cant run on his record, so they have to create other issues!
jim-1455434#16.2: Don't know about the poisonous snakes, but many of these, sure seem to enjoy the passing around, groping, feeling up, and sexual assaults on young women. Often they do this in the name of Mormonism too.
How'd that work out for American Motors? I haven't driven one of their products lately.
I predict Mitt Romney will experience every measure of success that was enjoyed by his father George in his drive for the White House.
Too bad, I have an old Javelin that looks awesome and runs just fine. American Motors was bought out, General Motors was simply PROPPED UP .... bailing out union VEBA's and screwing bondholders along the way. Gm now has the highest effective labor rate in the U.S.
American Motors suffered from poor styling of its products and even poorer marketing.
jim ~ And I always thought it was the super conservative, Republican, religious right wing that was so hateful towards Romney's religion and made it THE major issue in the Primary race. THEY were the ones calling him out for not being a "real" Christian and belonging to a cult. Think you've got your parties mixed up. Progressives would never have a problem with a person's religion UNLESS it took precedence over separation of church and state.
Judy, If that is true, then please explain why there are so many liberals who are bringing up his religion on a regular basis. Apparently, you DID NOT READ post #16 above.
For myself,I'm pretty much an Agnostic so I really couldn't care less about either candidates religion. But I will say that when I hear or read someone make a remark like "why are so many liberals bringing up his religion on a regular basis" I have to say that...
1: I have yet to see anyone from the Obama campaign or any of their surrogates do so,if you have then please post a link to this incident.
2: In my lifetime (I'm 48) the ONLY President I've ever seen have to do a nationally televised address during the campaign to discuss comments made by his Reverend is President Obama. So to act like HIS religion and his beliefs weren't scrutinized on a level heretofore unseen in America makes you either a self-deluding fool or a liar,or both.
Personally I think Union Baby's position on Romney's religion is fairly reprehensible but it IS a position shared by many Evangelicals,so he is right on that count at least.
kennyw, Maybe one day you will get your G.E.D. ! Reading is FUNDAMENTAL kenny ...read post #16 again, then read my post at #16.8, and if you are unable to see a connection, then there is little hope for you.
Of course, you have already given signs you are a lost ball in high weeds.
With the recall election in WI, it is pretty much a wait and see situation for me. Wisconsin isn't squarely in either corner.
I was going to make a joke about the photo with a barricade where you you could only see people's eyes, but It would just be to easy to point out how close Romney likes to get to the common man.
i predict Romney will also retake the White House and get our nation back on the right path....obama is nothing more than a liar, a distorter, and a divider who puts his own ambition above the needs and desires of the great American people....ROMNEY IN NOVEMBER!!!
......"The governor emerged as a hero to conservatives after eliminating most public workers' collective bargaining rights."
Typical liberal columnist. No mention at all Governor Walkers' policies towards public employees have balanced his state budget that was bleeding red ink under his Dem predecessors' policies of tax and spend. Gov. Walker has ensured retirement benefits for public workers will remain solvent in the future.
It must not be important to this columnist.
HA-Ha, Rmoney took pics with soon to be felon Scott Walker (better know as "John Doe" in the illegal campaigning case while he was a County employee). 13 of Gov. Scott Walker's Republican aides turned evidence for felony prosecution immunity.
Bobs - maybe you can explain to us why Walker's office in the County Seat were the folks responsible for bringing the actions of some aides to the attention of the Milwaukee Prosecutor?
Walker's office made the request for an investigation from the beginning. Riddle me that.
rebelwcause #20.1: I'll oblige you your riddle. Walker only claimed He made a request, and then only after He learned there was indeed an investigation. In other words, Walker is a goddamned liar. Glad to be of help.
Rebel - The wording of your question is that of a GOP propagandist or maybe a 3rd rate lawyer;Walker/Rmoney better hope the legal hammer doesn't come down before Nov. on the "John Doe" case.
there's a stretch.
i'll be surprised if he doesn't take all 57 states.
Actually, I believe it was Obama who said he had been to all 57 states .... a little "Freudian slip" perhaps ?
I will be surprised if he gets Romney gets 10
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting 47% of the vote, while President Obama earns 44%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and another five percent (5%) are undecided.
Rasmussen polls likely, not registered, voters which is much more accurate. Which has been proven since he has been the most accurate pollster the past two election cycles whether a Dem or Republican was leading in his poll.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Oh hi Roy, didn't recognize that as you...at least it must be since two posters are using identical language to spin Foxmussen as somehow being accurate when exactly the opposite is true.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/
Congratulations on learning how to log in under multiple user names.
John B, Des Moines,IA #22.1: Your words were my thoughts when I read post # 22. I think you're absolutely right. Regards
Beat me to it John. Nice post.
The thing is, the popular vote doesn't mean anything. President Obama has an insurmountable lead on the electoral map. Romney has no viable path to 270.
JohnB - five thirty-eight blogs? That is a reliable source? LMAO.
Read on you fraud:
2000-2007
Rasmussen's prediction for the 2000 presidential election was off by 4.5%,[23] compared to the average 1.1% margin of error most other national polls gave at the time.[24]
In the 2004 presidential election, "Rasmussen...beat most of their human competitors in the battleground states, often by large margins," according to Slate magazine.[25] Rasmussen projected the 2004 presidential results within one percentage point of the actual vote totals earned by both George W. Bush and John Kerry.[22]
In 2004 Slate magazine said they “publicly doubted and privately derided Rasmussen” polls because of the methodology.[26] However, after the election, they concluded that Rasmussen’s polls were the most accurate.[27]
In 2007, Tony Snow, White House press secretary for President George W. Bush, attacked a Rasmussen poll that showed only 19% of Americans believed the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 was a success.[28]
[edit]2008-2010
According to Politico, "Rasmussen’s final poll of the 2008 general election — showing Obama defeating Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 percent to 46 percent — closely mirrored the election’s outcome."[29]
At the end of the 2008 presidential election, there were eight national tracking polls and many other polls conducted on a regular basis. Polling analyst Nate Silver reviewed the tracking polls and said that while none were perfect, and Rasmussen was "frequently reputed to have a Republican lean", the "house effect" in their tracking poll was small and "with its large sample size and high pollster rating [it] would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island."[30] After the election, Rasmussen's poll was rated as the most accurate, when compared to various other final pre-election polls. By 2010, however, Silver's opinion of the Rasmussen polls had changed, concluding that the likely voter model was insufficient to explain the increasingly large "house effect".[17]
In 2009, Democrats began attacking Rasmussen's polling on President Obama’s Job Approval Rating[31] and other topics.[21]
In 2010, Rasmussen Reports was the first to show Republican Scott Brown had a chance to defeat Martha Coakley in the Massachusetts Senate race. Just after Brown's upset win, Ben Smith at Politico reported, "The overwhelming conventional wisdom in both parties until a Rasmussen poll showed the race in single digits in early January was that Martha Coakley was a lock. (It's hard to recall a single poll changing the mood of a race quite that dramatically.)"[32] A study by Boston University and the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism about how the Massachusetts Senate race was covered in the media concluded, "...Rasmussen Report’s poll that showed the overwhelming Republican underdog, Scott Brown, climbing to within single digits (nine points) of Martha Coakley. That poll, perhaps more than anything else, signaled that a possible upset was brewing and galvanized both the media and political worlds."[33] The New York Times Magazine opened a March 14 cover story with a scene highlighting the impact of that poll in an internal White House meeting involving President Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.[34]
Yes, I'm sure your unattributed cut and paste source is more credible than Fivethirtyeight...if only you'd provided a source...
Sarcasm off...
Unemployment is going up, foreclosures are going up, consumer spending is going down, our debt increases $6 billion a day, the President just gave amnesty to 850,000 illegal immigrants, the middle east is on "fire", Iran is building a nuclear weapon and Russia thinks our President is an idiot. I think Romney will win a lot more than Wisconsin.
Voters in Wisconsin may very well figure out that they have benefited from fiscal responsibility and that dealing with the problems sooner rather than later is much better for Wisconsin and the country. Face the fact, Obama's only solution to every issue is to tax the rich and grow government in size and scope. How long does that last? Ask the citizens in Greece. The Democrats will not deal with the real issues and will wait until there is no choice. At that point in time, the real pain will be felt by those who can least afford to be impacted by the cuts that will take place. We are only a few years away from being Greece. Obama's slogan has gone from Yes we can to Let me tell you why we can't..But give me 4 more years. What a joke!
Please provide some proof that Obama has increased the size of govt.
Let me save you the time and effort. He hasn't. The REPUBLICANS have consistently grown govt more than democrats. You are sucking at the Faux News teat of lies and distortion.
blearyeyed, "You'll have to READ the bill to see what's in it". The massive explosion of federal bureaucracy .... new agencies, new bureaus ..... probably a new czar or two..... just to administer this gargantuan takeover of 1/6 of our nation's economy is truly breathtaking. Open your bleary eyes and READ my friend, hell, it's only about 2,700++ pages and about twice that more in the new regulations being churned out every day.
Google Search indicates 159 new agencies, commissions, boards, etc to administer Obamacare. That does not include the regulations which may further expand.
bleary -
>20% growth in federal spending in Obama's first year as president. Additional growth in spending > inflation since then.
Did he merely flush the additional money down the toilet?
Onw wonders whether the Kochs are willing to dump another hundred million into Wisconsin.
That's the only way I see Romney taking it.
Yep, and I bet you said Walker was going down. Right?
Hey Joe - you are a liar - the Koch brothers donated zero. Here is a list of out of state donors the largest being $510,000.00:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2012/06/05/gov-scott-walkers-big-money-backers-include-13-out-of-state-billionaires/
Let's discuss the slimeball George Soros and his relationship to the Dem Party instead - it is much more tawdry.
Can any of you liberals tell me how in the hell is Warren Buffet going to make back money on his investment in Burlington Northern Railway if Obama does not get reelected? Do you think the republicans would be willing to use Buffet's railroad to transport all that crude to Texas?
http://www.burlingtonroute.com/cbq.html
The Koch Brothers COULD just continue to refine crude in the midwest, which is what keeps the price down there. If the crude goes to Texas, the price in the midwest goes up because it goes on the world wide market.
Aren't you a patriot? Don't you think we need our own source of oil so we are not dependent on Iran, Saudi, Venezuela, etc? What's the matter with you? Don't we export enough jobs that we also have to export crude and increase our dependence on Muslim countries?
I find it absolutely hilarious that you silly liberals cry about how much Walker spent on the recall to get re-elected, but just a few short years ago, were praising bho for massively outspending McCain to get elected! Their hypocrisy truly knows no bounds! But God forbid you disagree with bho, holder, or any of their collective inane policies, that will make you a racist, cool-aid drinking, gun toting, bible thumping, "faux" news watching, hater (I hope I didn't miss any of the very colorful colloquialisms you silly liberals like to throw out when you are feeling a bit threatened...). bho dismantled the Clinton machine with relative ease, and faced an extremely weak candidate in McCain, AND was bankrolled by some of the very 1% all you silly liberals tend to label as conservative. REALLY!?!?!? You think every single one of the 1% is conservative? That is a freaking joke! bho has, at his financial disposal, soros, buffet, ~95% of the Hollywood "elite", and that's just the tip of the iceberg! He will wail on Wall Street, then turn right around and accept obscene amounts of money from the people he just assailed! Another point I see again, and again, is that the silly liberals want everyone to "open their eyes, and think with their brain (paraphrasing...)". This has to be the funniest joke I've ever heard! Coming from the very sheeple who would sacrifice anything to see this clown re-elected. bho, a supposedly "Constitutional" lawyer, must have studied well in school, as that he has found an "end-around" at every corner that he can to by-pass this living document! Keep on spinning you silly liberals! It makes my day to see all of the bluff and bluster you and manage, and STILL look stupid in the same sentence! Have a great day you silly liberals!