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Subscribe to RSSFormer presidential hopeful John McCain talks about the impact private donations have on the presidential campaign.
Arizona Sen. John McCain predicted a renewed effort of reform the nation's campaign finance laws as an outgrowth of the unrestrained influx of donations in this year's presidential campaign.
The Supreme Court's 2010 decision in the Citizens United case, which struck down many of the restrictions on political spending and spurred the advent of so-called "super PACs," was one of the worst in modern history, McCain said.
"I think there will be scandals as associated with the worst decision of the Supreme Court in the 21st Century — uninformed, arrogant, naive," McCain said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"The fact is that the system is broken," he later added. "I predict to you that there will be scandals, and I predict to you that there will be reform again."
McCain has long been an advocate of campaign finance reform; a landmark 2002 campaign finance law bearing his name was the subject of the legal challenge that led to the Citizens United ruling.
That decision did away with many of the limits on the magnitude of political contributions, fueling an inflation in the cost of campaigns, particularly on the federal level. Super PACs like American Crossroads, Restore our Future and Priorities USA Action have been able to spend tens of millions of dollars already on the campaign. They're able to cull their support from a handful of wealthy donors, the size of whose report is sometimes clouded by twin nonprofit groups associated with super PACs, which don't have to disclose their donors.
One of the largest such donors has been Sheldon Adelson, the casino magnate who gave over $10 million to a super PAC in the primary that supported Newt Gingrich for president. Adelson's since pledged at least $10 million to the pro-Romney super PAC, Restore Our Future.
McCain fretted earlier this week that Adelson's contributions would be tantamount to "foreign money" entering the campaign, since Adelson's fortune is built in part by revenues from overseas casinos.
McCain said on Sunday that he's worried about Adelson's influence, but no more so than the influence of organized labor spending or other donors' impact on the campaign.
"Not any more than other people who will give lots of money; not any more than the trade unions, the labor unions have. The whole system's broken, and there's a wash. I don't pick out Mr. Adelson any more than I pick out Mr. Trumka," he said, referring to the AFL-CIO's president.
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......."The fact is that the system is broken," he later added. "I predict to you that there will be scandals, and I predict to you that there will be reform again."
Gee You THINK?!!!!
The fact that groups can contribute any amount of money has already shown that our country is for sale to the highest bidder including the Oval Offfice and every other seat in government.
I think the old man who yells at pigeons on the park bench should get a room with David Gregory!
Gregory did nothing but toss marshmallows at the cranky old elephant!
Not to mention McWarMonger wants us to go into Syria!
Can you imagine what this country would look like today if this clown had of won?
This "clown" was a highly decorated POW that served this country with honor and dignity. Perhaps more people should remember that...
I am more then familiar with this clowns uh...hem... military record...
My original observation stands!
Don't like it?
TOUGH!
Hey, I"m all for campaign finance reform as long as it also includes campaign reform. Reform should include:
Go for it McCain!!
@JK1963 -
Look up the USS Forrestal incident in which John McCain caused the death of young men and got off (literally) without so much as a handslap. Hero my A$$!
I would take the trillions of $$$ the 1% ers have over the pocket change the Unions have any day. Anyone who tells you the Unions can cancel out the "contributions" of the 1% ers is being disingenuine at best, or consciously idiotic.
By law Union contributions must be re-authorized EVERY year, but the 1% ers can give without being ID'd, and require no one's permission to do so.
Unions are also subjected to strict accounting reporting requirements, and are audited twice a year. How bout' Adelson?
He's not President, so evidentally people didn't care!
JK1963
"decorated POW"....
you betcha JK....now why did the other pows nickname him "songbird"?
Suzq,
I looked up the incident. From what I read, McCain had no contribution to the death of those servicemen. Perhaps in your political cloud, you see things that aren't true. McCain is a highly decorated POW. I doubt very seriously that you would have survived what he went through and it's a terrible shame that you don't show a serviceman the respect that he deserves for serving for your freedom.
b dune,
I can't seem to recall where you were held a hostage, so I take your comment to be nothing more than hot air.
It's a shame that neither of you have the slightest notion of what it takes to serve and to sacrifice to give you the freedom to hide behind a monitor and insult people.
i agree with you, RedDev, but fairness and equality are not part of the GOP's MO.
While lounging at the Hanoi Hilton!
JK1963
"neither of you have the slightest notion of what it takes to serve"...
1. my comment on the term "songbird" isn't "hot air".....it is the truth! one does not need to have been a POW to repeat what those who did "stated as fact"...
2. I have served and understand the term "sacrificed"... never assume what you do not know is fact! You must be under the impression that all those who have served are willing to bow to McCain.
3. as for "sitting behind a monitor"......isn't that exactly what you are doing?
you decide who has and hasn't served? you are the decider of who one must respect? I have no respect for McCain...not today, not ever! I am entitled to that opinion because of the term "freedom"...one that I and millions of others (besides McCain) fought for!
btw - maybe in your "political cloud" you see only what you want to see!
b dune,
I respect your service to this country and you are entirely correct that you are entitled to your opinion and your right to express it. It's what you and millions of other servicemen have fought to protect. My criticism is that people want to belittle his contribution to this country and I find that highly insulting, just as the same as you would take offense if someone were to belittled your service, right? And yes, I am sitting behind a monitor and there aren't enough words to express my gratitude for people such as yourself and John McCain that allows me to have the freedoms I have today.
@JK1963
Unfortunately "swiftboating" any veteran is fair game since they were not slapped down for questioning if Kerry was "injured enough" to be awarded a purple heart among other claims against him and his service.
As far as mccain goes his service speaks for itself, unless you are in that situation you don't know what you would do...you might like to think you'd behave one way but not necessarily.
However,his tenure in congress has done very little to benefit veterans.
I could find nothing to substantiate mccain's responsibility with the forrestal incident. Anyone who has worked with ordnance knows stray voltage is not your friend.
JK1963, A lot of good men served our country in wars. They ALL deserve our respect and gratitude. From your many posts it's very clear that you follow the right wing mantra and so we know that you must be a hypocrite when it comes to this subject. Unless you say otherwise. But you don't. Do you defend the reputation of our beloved assassinated President John F. Kennedy when the rest of you gang gets on here and attacks him? He was a real war hero. He didn't sit out the war in a prisoner of war camp. I know that was a terrible experience also but face the enemy in battle is something different and it takes courage and leadership which Kennedy had. He saved the lives of men of his crew after an enemy attack at sea. He lived his entire life in back pain and has been called every evil name in the book by right wingers for having to take medication which it is well known he DID NOT LIKE TO TAKE, unlike Rush Lump who loved taking Oxycontin so much he broke the law to do so. I only mention Rush because he has been used by the right wing to orchestrate attacks on Kennedy for them. A perfect hypocrite in every way is Rush.
John Kerry served well in Viet Nam. He was awarded a Purple Heart. I was appalled when the right wing attacked him for throwing away his Purple Heart. My ex husband did the same thing with his! It was because he hated it. He always said that our government sent him and all the others there to die because he realized after he'd been there a short time it was unwinable! And then there were the phony Swift Boat "men" they paid to destroy his reputation.
So how can you defend McCain and not defend at least these two of the many the right wing has maligned relentlessly?
I also not in your reply to bdune that you failed to mention these two heroes or any of the other Democrat politicians who served.
The Supreme court struck down many of the Campaign Finance Laws taht had been in place for many many years.
They tried to fix something that was not broken and now we have this lawless campaign finance situation.
This is the same type law that Bush tried to impose on Wall Street. If we give you freedom you will do the right thing. YEAH. They generated securities based upon worthless real estate property and then got insurance on the faulty security. They crteated a fake insurance called credit default swap. Collapse of the Wall street/banks was just a matter of time.
No rules concerning commerece will not work in a free market economy because we have crooks in the system. They must have a set of rulles are they will self destruct.
The same freedom was given to the Banks and look at what we have now. No restrictions and the Banking Industry out of control.
The same NO laws freedom was given to the Airlines and look at what we have now. It cost 50% of the Fare to check your bags. If you want to sit next to your children you must pay extra. No meal service. If you want to take your pet with you you must have a seat assigned at full list price.
Does all that sound reasonable for not having Government controls on Commerce.
No rules, No Government, No Nation. It is simple. Just look at Greece, Spain, etc, etc.
consider,
I think I made it pretty clear that I admire anyone that served in our country regardless of their political affiliation. I admired John Kennedy as I thought he was a great leader and his actions are clearly those of a hero. As for being a POW, I don't believe that John McCain had a choice becoming a POW so "sitting out the war" doesn't really apply to him.
Just so you know, I don't give a care about Rush, or any other talk show host (yes, including Bill Maher). They are ENTERTAINERS! People on the left have their crackpots as well as the people on the right have theirs as well.
And when people are talking about defending people who have served our country, I freely defend anyone who has served. It's a shame that others that have posted on this board can't do the same, agreed?
@JK1963-fyi (my husband was aboard the USS Oriskany!)
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported
that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in
the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed
kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a
large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In McCain's case, the 'wet-start'
'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured
the Skyhawk's fuel tank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb. bomb off it's 500 lb. rated
mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.
The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration, along with 167
of his fellow Forrestal shipmates (including those who died later from wounds
suffered).
'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots. McCain was
quickly (they were still counting the Forrestal dead) transferred to the USS
Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). (McCain's daddy was an Admiral and they wanted to avoid any "problems".)
Suzq,
Where is this published??
Agreed, JK! Glad to see you feel that way. And very glad to know how you feel about Rush. I wish more Republicans would just ban his hateful radio show from their lives. And Bill Maher is not even funny. I don't even like him. But I hope you watch Colbert Report. Steven Colbert is just so funny. Political satire at it's best. He's not all one sided though some people think so.
consider,
I try to keep politics out of comedy! Politics are too depressing! Have a good Sunday!
There is only one way to solve this problem and where have you all been for the past 21months? Why have you NOT gotten involved in the Popular Amendment Movement at faircampaignreform.us? That goes for you RedDevil. Have you been to the site, downloaded the petitions, signed them, and circulated them? If not, why not? Here are the petitions for those of you too lazy to go there. Note especially, Sections 2-6. I still have to ask anyone who calls for strict public financing of elections how they intend to raise those "public" funds, set the spending limits, etc. The PAM amendment takes care of all of that.
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
McCain is showing that Republicans used to care about our democracy, and per Arizona's past and Senator DeConcini who was the original campaign finance reform advocate.
But alas, McCain falls short with the false equivalency between ONE donor like Adelson versus the teeny tiny unions that are made of many individuals -- And most of all what each want in return for their contribution.
Unions want to preserve good-paying jobs here in America. Adelson wants to promote gambling and US war in the Middle East. Boo, hiss, Sheldon Adelson -- Use your great wealth to help others in need.
Feisty The clown you refer to is a highly decorated war veteran deserving of your respect! The clown you should be refering too is sitting in the oval office dreaming of his return to Kenya Hawaii Ireland or wherever he is from!
Liberals are crying because they no longer have the advantage. For decades, they could pump money into campaigns from unions, and there was no counterbalance. Pro business investors were limited to the individual donation levels (just like individual union members). Now that investors can contribute to super Pacs, there's a lot of wailing going on... and we haven't forgotten the fast one Osneaky pulled by saying he was going to accept public funding, going back on that, and then outspending McCain 2 to 1. Now you Liberals will have to deal with a level playing field.
New effort? "f"u. Get it done. Unhonorable pukes.
Why does anyone listen to this idiot who should be in a nursing home? This clown potentially put a complete imbecile named Sarah Palin (1) heartbeat away from being President of this country.
As if we would be in any better position with bumbling Biden, right?
"Not any more than other people who will give lots of money; not any more than the trade unions, the labor unions have. The whole system's broken, and there's a wash. I don't pick out Mr. Adelson any more than I pick out Mr. Trumka," he said, referring to the AFL-CIO's president.
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Is that right Senator? You're comparing Adelson to labor unions, whose very livlihood depends on them getting out the vote? These people are working class people with families to raise; with children to send to school and college and depend on health care. These unions know full well that all the GOP want is to get rid of unions and instead hire cheap labor. They should damn well be participating in elections. And voting for the GOP will wipe out any chance they have of a decent life for their children.
Huffington Post:
WASHINGTON -- Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson, whose net worth makes him one of the world's richest men, is on a check-writing spree that will soon bring his total political contributions in this election cycle to at least $71 million, according to sources familiar with his spending. That money is spread across the spectrum of GOP super PACs, which are required to disclose donors, and nonprofits, which are not.
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Sen. McCain is being dishonest to compare the two. Sen. McCain is always dishonest. Especially when it comes to fires in his home state and who gets the initial blame.
You're comparing Adelson to labor unions.........................
Absolutely on the money Pat. A very large group of hard working honest people shouldn't be mentioned in the same realm of the likes of Adelson. Adelson is a money grubbing individual concerned only with his personal wealth and those who can contribute to him in the long run.
Have happy father's day Pat.
Feisty. I hope you and Mr. Feisty enjoy a great day together with your daughter if possible. I'm about to leave for 'Frisco to be my with one of my sons and his family.
Unions should be banned from contributing to political parties the same as corporations.
Have a fantastic day!
You deserve it! ☺
Adelson is counting on a war with Iran. That's what he's in this for. What a sick bastard he is.
Enjoy your day nomoresameo!
I agree with McCain on this issue. My thoughts? Anyone running for our President's office should be restricted to receiving campaign money only from American citizens. They are the only ones the President is legally representing.
Those running in the Senate should be restricted to receiving money only from the citizens of the State they are seeking to represent. The, also, are only representing the citizens of the state they are representing.
And the Representatives should be restricted to receiving money from the citizens of the District they are seeking to represent. They, also, are only representing the citizens of the district of the state they are seeking to represent.
Our legislature has apparently gotten so "out of order" they are representing the businesses and foreign governments that are "financing" their constitutional bid for office.
I would agree with all of those positions.
See my post above. Get involved at faircampaignreform.us
I have always been under the impression that Pat was a Mom, not a Dad. Am I wrong?
Pat I ask for an honest answer to an honest question! When the politician sits down with the public sector union representative and exchanges taxpayer dollars in the form of compensation for votes .who is representing the taxpayer at the table?
ssmike,
That is at the heart of why there should be no public unions! Great question!! Unfortunately, you won't get a logical answer.
yogiman, please consider running for office. I'm tired of the idiots we're given as "choices" all the time... thanks.
Has Mitt Romney offered any kind of plausible excuse to the American people why he won't release his 1040 Tax returns to us like every other Presidential candidate has done for the last (50) years?
Does this man really think he is this special !!!
Yes, he does. And the deaf, dumb and blind sheep known as the Tea Party don't care as long as he gets that commie, Muslim ni--er out of the White House.
mcain "mispoke" once again! labor union dues are not paid to politiicans. unions have pac's but we are not multi-millionaires. we are asked and not forced to donate anything. i don't have millions of dollars and have no rich friends or fellow union members. i am a disabled vet who is paid manual labor wages. i resent the rich rewriting history.
How can John McCain be considered a war hero when he was insubordinate, disobeyed direct orders, and was responsible for his own capture and imprisonment as well as others?
And look what Republicans did to a true war hero like John Kerry.
G brown,
And where is your supposed proof that he disobeyed orders? This man served our country with bravery and courage. He and millions more sacrificed for this country so that you have the luxury to hide behind a monitor and post your outrageous allegations. It's people like you that disgust the rest of Americans!
And John Kerry did not serve his country honorably.. right???
Swift boated by a bunch of bought and paid for Republican liars.
John McCain disobeyed orders and flew his mission into a combat area where he was unauthorized to engage because of course..."He was a Maverick".
He is no hero sir !!!
My recollection is that many Republicans were demanding John Kerry be Court Martial-ed as a traitor because he returned his medals.... but not John McCain... He was a hero for disobeying direct orders.
What does John Kerry have to do with anything? The discussion was about John McCain, and I've still haven't seen your reference that he disobeyed orders.
Make no mistake about it, Roberts; this decision from your "teabagger" cohorts is YOUR legacy.
You will wear this forever, and be responsible for the destruction of this Republic as the sale to the highest bidder continues.
But good for you, giving your corporate owners full value for the money, after all they want payback for putting someone as ill suited as you on the Supreme Court.
You have shamed the Court.
So McCain sees no difference between the groups of people all contributing to make life better for all the people or one billionaire who contributes only to get tax cuts and freedom to rape America with deregulations for himself.
You have to be pretty stupid to think that all the millionaires and billionaires are spending all their money to do something for America. They are spending all their money trying to insure permanent tax cuts for the rich no matter that it will send us into another recession, the rich like Romney are pushing the very same policies of austerity that sent England into a double-dipped recession.
Rich first, country last.......vote for a republican.
Too bad the job creators is just a phony name to scam the dumb republicans into voting for them. Only a republican is dumb enough to vote for Romney for bringing back the same bush policies that we are still trying to recover from. Then they wonder why we know they aren't very bright.
If you thought bush did a good job, you gonna love what Romney and bush's old staff plan on doing to America.
Maybe most Americans don't think the AFL-CIO is making lives better for the 85% plus who are not union members. If the AFL-CIO gets to contribute millions to the people who are bankrupting our nation, then Adelson et al should be able to contribute as well. The Dems always refuse to include the unions every time the issue of campaign reform comes up.
We see how Obama did when he made GM and Chrysler close about 1000 dealerships and lay of about 100,000 people. Especially when this move did nothing to improve either manufacturer's bottom line.
Also, a sitting president always has the advantage of using press conferences to get his point out and traveling on Airforce One at a discount over his opponents.
Once the rich 1% get in control and start slashing wages and benefits I am thinking people will be reminded just how much they like 5 day weeks and getting paid for overtime.
The republicans want to kill minimum wage so the corporations can make more money.
We can't even have jobs because the republicans refuse to ask the rich to invest in our own country.
Show us all how smart you are, vote for the rich 1% to destroy America for the rich and their permanent tax cuts.
Be sure and kill unions because we certainly don't want the people to have a voice in their own country. Only the rich 1% deserve to drown out the voices of everyone else.
Don't you know only the rich 1% deserve a good education and health care and the right to starve our people for more tax cuts for Romney and his rich friends.
Rich first, country never....vote for a republican.
Can there be any doubt if John McCain were President right now we wouldn't be in another Trillion dollar war with IRAN right now?
I Think not. He is just so "Mavericky"
Hell, we would be at war with most of the planet!!!
I am proud to say that I spent the morning yesterday going door to door passing a petition around to get the "Protect Our Jobs Act" on the ballot in Michigan.
The Act will enshrine collective bargaining as a RIGHT in Michigan that cannot be taken away.
What was that? Did I just hear Spanky's, NoJo and JoannaSmith's heads explode?
Good for you GOPisextinct!
RIGHT??? What entitlement are you going to ask for next? I'm sure if you went to my father's house who lives in Michigan you would have been kicked to the curb!!
Just goes to show, JK: not everyone can have a dad that can be admired! He certainly didn't teach YOU to think independently.
Nicely put as usual NewDay. I hope all is well with you and a Happy Daddy's Day to all the dads on the board today. And to my Father, God Bless and keep you Dad. Your picture is next to the word "Father" in the dictionary.
And thank you for the ecouraging words Pat!! Hope all is well in Bean town.
Happy Daddy's Day, GOP!
Enjoy it!
Admired?? I would expect insults from the liberal left. It's the reason why the vast majority of Americans loath people like you. My father taught me that you work for a living, that you contribute to society, your provide for your future and that you aren't ENTITLED to anything. As for being independent, my father is more conservative that I am, but we agree on one thing and that is that a group of PUBLIC servants do not have an inherent RIGHT to be a union. Public unions serve no useful purpose except to drain the resources of the general public. They exert undue influence over the political process (much the same way as you whine about the 1% ).
GOPisextinct: Thanks for the work you do. My cherubs, two of them were out this weekend working on President Obama's campaign and to garner support to defeat the bigoted anti gay marriage amendment in MN.
Poor JK: so totally brainwashed, so little thought behind the pejoratives you toss around. One can hear this every day on Fox.
There is a cure! And I will give you the secret! Why, it is as simple as reading a book! Read about Theodore Roosevelt, and you might learn why he would think you and your poor old out of touch daddy are an anathema to the country! There are some very easy books to read. I would recommend TR, but that one is too complex for such as you.
Still, might be worth a try if it could open that closed mind of yours.
newday,
It's nice that you continue to insult. I'm sure you make your parents proud of you. So here's a little insult back at you...I'm sure they are truly wishing that they had not considered procreation knowing how you turned out and I see your two little ones were shaking down poor people again for Obama's campaign. NICE!!
Why, simply speaking to you, JK, in terms that you seem to understand! Can't think why you would object to it, since analysis and thought seem missing from what you write.
And here I gave you such good advice...reading a book, particularly about Theodore Roosevelt, might, in the gentlest way possible, show you that your poor daddy is not terribly bright.
But, since the nut never falls far from the tree, that may not be possible.
Well...unlike you I don't vote for my own comment. It must be that you are mighty insecure about yourself. I truly hope that your children grow up to be Republicans...
Boy, you ARE reaching, aren't you JK? Nope, sorry, don't need to vote for my own. I suppose you posit that since you have no other way of getting votes.
My cherubs are your worst nightmare. A lib soon to be lawyer, and a lib teacher.
Since they were reading the classics in fourth grade, and educated partially by moi, and having attained IQ's that you can only dream of, their is no danger that they will become Republican.
Only people who need authoritarian government vote for the "teabaggers".
See, thoughtful people, like me evolved away from the Republican Party in the 70's.
Here we go again! The same old cliche's that are as old and tired as John McCain.
So did mine. He also taught me that you should expect to get paid a decent wage for that labor. You guys have this "lucky you have a job and be happy with what you get" attitude, which is why the middle class extermination has caused this mess we're in.
Really! Most baggers I know want nothing to do with society. They have Greta Garbo Syndrome which is, "I just want to be left alone" and that laws, rules and other things are for others and not me. A right selfish bunch as they would say in Britain.
Okay, so how much harder does it have to be for people to provide for their future? Let's see, the right wants to cut back on education, which means less people will be properly trained for the future which in turn will put us even farther behind on the global scale. They want everyone to be self sufficient but don't want to provide the tools to do that. Does that make sense to you? It does to Mitt Romney who says "borrow it from your parents" What a friggin' slap in the face that is. Many parents have lost all the savings they've had just to get by after the Bush administration let the economy flush down the crapper. Mitt's solutions offer nothing but more disaster for the bulk of the population.
New Day and Feisty, thank you for the good wishes. Just took my son to see the Avengers movie again. It was raining here earlier, so fishing was out. We love the schwarma part. :o) My pride and joy boy.
New Day I love the fact that your kids are growing up to be Liberal Lions. I am teaching mine along the same lines. I am teaching him that hard work, brains and tenacity will make you a successful Progressive, and that lying around expecting others to make money for you, sending jobs overseas, lying, cheating, tax evasion, a sense of entitlement, and selfishness will make you a "successful" repiglican.
i'm happy for you, newdaydawning. My son is working on a teaching degree as well. One place he won't be going is Wisconsin, that's for sure.
Touche Tony!!
And wish your cherub well for me tony!
Good for you, for teaching your children well, GOP and tony! I do believe my young lawyer to be will be running for office one day.
Here is the thing that the right wing can't get. We teach our children that hard work breeds success, but we also teach them the social contract about their obligation to others. As my friend Independent Redneck tells us, you need to bend down and give others a hand out along life's way. That way, two people are successful.
And since this is Sunday; I remind the right wing fringe that by doing that, you fulfill the law of Christ, the world's first true Liberal.
JK, you are about the dumbest poster I have ever read posts that you contributed. All men and woman have the right to collective bargain. Imagine a world where workers are not allowed that right, its called slavery. Now as your wanna be a rich guy ass responds, have empathy for us who with our labor and toil built America, and not the fat cats looking to cheapen those that work for a living. While profit reports roll in and coorporations are doing well, and labor reports come in looking bad? Pray you are not on the next layoff as you talk about destroying unemployment insurance, etc. Teddy Roosevelt was right, he put coorporations in check
Good luck to you Richard. You are right. Roosevelt knew the value of labor which is why he wanted every working man to have a "square deal."
Funny how that has been forgotten.
It's nice to see all the liberal trolls out for a Sunday feel good session.... I believe the people of Wisconsin have spoken loud and clear. But I'm sure you'll justify it by crying that you supposedly got out spent and that influenced all those poor Wisconsin voters. Thankfully, they saw through your smoke and mirrors and voted for what THEY wanted for their state. It's mighty refreshing to know that democracy lives!
Richard,
Thankfully the MAJORITY of people in America don't believe the same idiotic notion that people are entitled to collective bargaining.
The people of North Dakota spoke loudly and clearly too, rejecting the "teabagger" agenda in the last election.
It was also rejected by Ohio.
But, since we know you can't take in independent information ("teabaggers" are not known for their ability to suss out anything that does not agree with how they have been programmed to think.) you would not know that.
Poor JK. So limited, badly taught and ill educated.
Pat from Boston I would expect no less from you! When is your speaker of the house going down for a felony? Like the last three, in what is arguably one of the most corrupt states in the nation, oh and a democratically hed stronghold! Your probably upset that Barney Frank will soon no longer be representing the banks in their path towards destroying this country!
JK1963
Sorry to burst your happy bubble, but just enough Badger Senate seats during the same recall election you are seemingly referring to was lost to Democrats.
I really don't think Scott Walker will have any his agenda pushed on Wisconsinites anymore.
Newday,
I will never become as ill-informed as you. It must be a shame to live in a fantasyland. And you seem obsessed with teabaggers. Why is that?? Perhaps you have done some teabagging before...gosh I do feel sorry for your significant other...
bahrrt,
So the will of the people will be denied by a bunch more liberal Wisconsin senators...sad day for democracy...
Well, your half right JK, the will of the Republicons will be denied, and really, only sad for Republicons. Sorry.
The will of the 99% have been denied by you for quite sometime and people are waking up to it.
Unions give, billionaires buy.
And how exactly do they give? Oh that's right, by extortion of union "dues" from its rank and file. Unions buy political candidates left and right. How in the world do you think Jerry Brown got elected? And who do you think is behind the funding the issue for yet another tax increase in California?? That's right...the unions!!
Symantics !! But I don't think Obama is dining with the middle class these days. Seems like he is holding fund raisers with one group of the Democratic 1% after the other. I also remember those fun vacations at Martha's Vinyard the poor and middle class. Seems only the Republican rich buy access but the Democratic billionaires give because of the benevilance of their hearts. Seems those charitable Democratic billionaire sure got most of that stimulus green energy taxpayer money. The Obama administration has been bought and paid for by unions and the Democratic rich. Why do you think the new Obama jobs plan is simply giving more money to state and local governments to keep from having government union layoffs? To pay back big union contributions.
JK, In California Brown won because he was the best candidate for the job. He had experience and has been tough with the legislature to cut spending. His opponent screwed up when she headed Ebay and now HP, which she heads, is in trouble. Sure union money was contributed to his campaign but plenty of corporate money and money from wealthy individuals contributed to Whitman's campaign too.
Adler,
The bulk of Whitman's campaign money came from her own fortune. I highly doubt that you would think Brown is the best candidate for the job. Do you actually live in California or just see and read about us from Hollywood films? California is near bankruptcy. We have billions in unfunded union pensions liabilities, not to mention billions more in unreserved costs for health care benefits for state union members. Brown has been unable to reign in his fellow Democrats and the Republicans want nothing to do with him either. He is an old lost boy in Sacremento, bumbling over charts telling people that we are going to get all kinds of big money from tax revenues when his own budget anaylsts have said time and time again that those will not materialize. He is pushing for a $100+ billion dollar high speed rail line, that other analysts say will NEVER make money. He has consistently given into union concessions (i.e. - the new prison guard contract was rubber stamped approved without even considering re-negotiating (it was originally negotiated under Arnold, who by the way proved to be nothing more than a RINO). This new contract gives never before seen giveaways and benefits to the prison guard union, who by the way happened to contribute to his election campaign.
Exellent question JK! Let me help you out. The Union issues dues checkoff forms at the beginning of the year. People that wish to contribute to the Union's political efforts are welcome to do so via what we call the "VCAP" program: Voluntary Community Action Program in which they can designate a certain amount of money to be donated to the Union's political arm. I personally contribute $20 / month to be deducted from my pay to help stop the spread of RTW legislation and other Kasich-esque anti-Union legislation. None but VOLUNTARY funds can be used for political activity, and this is scrupulously audited by the Federal government.
Unions raise the bar in pay and benefits for non-bargaining unit employees as well. The NBU's rejoice when the Unions make a negotiating breakthrough as they know the benefits will "pass through" down to them as well.
Unions work, and are the only remaining vanguard of defense that working class people have against the fascism peddled by the GOP and their vile minions. That is why the GOP came out and made Unions the first, primary focus of their attacks when they were placed into positions of power in 2010. People thought they were going to create jobs. Right. Unions are Democracy in the workplace. Remember Democracy JK? Unions are also the only body that can serve as a unifying influence to marshall the Middle Class to unified mass action.
It is why the 1%ers that hold your leash fear and hate them as much as they do. Hitler also sought the destruction of Unions on the day after he took power. The GOP is in good company.
That help clear things up for ya sonny?
aff, you one dumb toad. Unions are made up of middle class and poor folks who give a few dollars to a pac, nowhere in comparison to a rich person who gives 10m+ to a pac. Sad thing is, that as unions fight for your rights, you give them away condemning your defender.
Good post, GOP. JK 1963, your turn.
It is not hard to see that our society has already become a rich population vs the poor. Sad part is that the those working and accepting labor abuses contribute to their childrens future as a slave/owner society, time folks wake up and read the writing on the wall. A Union collects a large sum of money from hundreds of members. but its ok that one person doubles that amount? And then the brainwashing continues as fox and others blame the working class for the dowfall of our economy while the rich got bailed out?
Thanks Tony. Love your moniker dude!! Should be hanging in the friggin' Louvre.
Labor abuses?? Really?? Are you being made to work in a dangerous coal mine, Richard?? Perhaps your children are working as child slaves?? Perhaps you can explain why the majority of people of Wisconsin voted in favor of Walker's policies? Oh wait...you are going to bring out that same old tired notion that a whole bunch of voters were somehow "brainwashed" by some rich out of towners. Why don' you give the voters of Wisconsin a bit of credit for being smart and thoughtful and that they can see through your smoke and mirrors in that what you claim is is a RIGHT, is merely an entitlement offered to a privileged class of workers. You don't have to look any further than California to see the financial impact collective bargaining and the influence unions have had on our states' financial solvency. And there hardly any state more liberal than California. So what does that tell you???
I don't even wish a world without Unions even on YOUR kids JK1963.
It tells me that right wing trolls with limited command of reality have to stoop to false equivalence to peddle their damaging agenda.
Next?
GOP,
That simply tells me that you are out of touch with what the majority of Americans want for their country. It also tells me that you live in a fantasyland. Simply because the will of the people spoke in Wisconsin and reaffirmed the policies of their governor and rejected your position, you would still sit there and blame someone else. Perhaps you should start looking in a mirror.
And as for unions....I work for a company that has a union. When the last contract negotiation came up, the union held a meeting with it's rank and file to discuss the terms of the contract and REQUIRED everyone to attend at an off-site location. If anyone was not there, they would be fined. So would you like to tell me that everything is VOLUNTARY in a union?
Has anyone told McCain that he actually lost in 2008?
Fund raiser: Justice Alito "State of the Union" Bobble Head Dolls
@ g brn registered foul mouth libtard "gee what a pedigree"
This election will come down to the simple fact that Mitt Romney is a draft dodging coward who let 68,000 US soldiers die in his place in Vietnam as he skipped off to France and took (4) deferments as a con artist Mormon Missionary.
#4295 - Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:21 AM EDT
I see that you just ran off over at the deport vine when someone called you on the numbers about the Vietnam war Mr. foul mouthed green brown shirt you are as full of it as the rest of fister rose and fiends
so do you fringe libbies get together on some secrecy place in cyberville for a complex daisy chain, cause it sounds like there is a troll bridge you all are hanging out under toooogether i've been watching you progies quite closely. also you lefist basement dwellers should not count on total anonymity. which is really funny I think being more able than all of you.
btw hey FISTY rose just wavin at ya #1 hows that petro babe
POTUS Number 44 will be rendered merely A "what not to do" DNC footnote in history. (you can bet on that and WIN!) or not, up tooooo you,
VOTE, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE=NOBAMA 2012
John McNoodle! There needs to be ZERO campaign funds of any kind, NO LOBBYISTS, NO SUPER PACS, NO NOTHING! The 99% American People NEED TO SELECT WHO THEY WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE, not "HAND-PICKED" political puppets like you, exlax ETCH-A-SKETCH and John Bonehead! Our government was founded on the principal of "GOVERNMENT BY THE PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE" not by the corrupt Republican corporates for the corrupt Republican corporates! Wake up, John! Before you to never, never land, help the 99% American People, not your military corporates who put you in office!
First, repeal Citizens United and go from there. Then limit what can be collected from any source. Stop the influence buying by large entities such as corporations, unions and wealthy people like George Soros and the Koch Brothers. The representatives need to represent US not special interests and we need to let them know this loud and clear.
Read my post at #1.22 and get involved.
About Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Let me begin by saying I am a STAUNCH Progressive Democrat and make NO apologies for being a liberal. I'm also known as a Feisty Redhead so let me give you the back story as to how that came to be... I've always been involved in the political process since I was old enough to vote. However it wasn't until the Election of George W. Bush and 8 years of total incompetence that really swayed me to get MORE involved. I volunteered for the Obama campaign for months driving up to my 'sister state' of WI to help get out the vote for more weekends than I can count. I donated what I could as thanks to 'W' I was out of work at the time. And for my efforts I still believe that we ELECTED the RIGHT man for the RIGHT job at the RIGHT time!!!
Reeeeeaaaaallllly ole girl, aha yes we see RIGHT thru you......>
your welcome 4ward the free advertizzzzzing
sister fister
vote for sanity
Do you have a point here?
Or are you just amusing us by making a total @!$%# out of yourself?
Let me know if you find the point Feisty. I'm kinda' intrigued by this squid.
From his/its posts below I sense a childhood of far to many things going bump in the night.
Okay libs, you may not believe this coming from a conservative, but here goes...........
Dear Senator McCain,
The last time you got nuts about this topic, we ended up with mccain-fiengold. What a mess that was!!!
When any fool could see the economy starting to go to hell because of those in Washington, you were so busy trying to fix baseball.
What happen to all the talk about auditing the fed reserve.
How much real work done to rid this country of base-line budgeting. Pretty speeches do not count.
Vet to vet, yes, we are a band of brothers. I have respect for you on this. Other than this that we share, PLEASE stay focused on the following, or go back and stay in sedona!!!!!!!!!!!
1. The economy
2. Fast & furious
3. The economy
4. The terrible security leaks
5. The economy
6. Try harder to get that nut harry reid to understand we need a budget
7. The economy
8. The economy
9. The economy
10. The economy
Yes sir, these are the most important issues
Thanks for your post Mike. I agree that the economy needs attention from both partys. "Globalism" isn't working for the United States people. We need to find a formula so that domestic and foreign intersts are safeguarded, and a symbiotic relationship is developed between government and industry so that people are protected.
The wars need to end, and fiscal prudence needs to be practiced.
I think we all know the Supreme Court have sold America to the billionaires. Just to run for Congress today, you must gain $2,400.00 an hour on running. In such a short time, it's impossible for a honest politician. Our Judges that are for the 99% are ran out of office. It's not just the presidental races. It's throughout America.
If Romney wins, it will be because of the money he gets from billionaires. That means we the people will be reduced to nothing more than slaves of billionaires. It also means that there is no democracy if someone wins simply because of donations they receive from only a few people. Billionaires being able to donate as much as they want= our vote is meaningless and powerless= no democracy, this is very basic logic. The fact that the supreme court ruled this could be done proves that the supreme court no longer represents or works for the american people. So already, a huge portion of our democracy has been stolen from us, if Romney gets elected then we lose it completely, and probably forever.
@ fisty & fiends
Fisty
Just glad to help with your laugh fest. are you still happy?
i really love you guyys and galls sp. as i meant to
however I am going to keep watching many of the troll bridge crew in & on this vine and other places in cyber space and in the great out doors too did you get that crack fixed ohh. donkey up babe he ha don't worry be happy i'll have the buffet but i do tip well. reall no point a----->ll oh btw yes I am a a$$ admit 1ce just not a donkey
hey 1 ? do you date ?? lol you could come down to table rock some time so we could talk about it over a long island iced tea just sayin (0)
vote
Don't be frightened I won't bite very hard more than w1ce
vote
Take your meds and a nap. Watch the U.S. Open and then tomorrow file for retirement. You're even having trouble reading the memos given to you.
@ g brn registered foul mouth libtard "gee what a pedigree"
This election will come down to the simple fact that Mitt Romney is a draft dodging coward who let 68,000 US soldiers die in his place in Vietnam as he skipped off to France and took (4) deferments as a con artist Mormon Missionary.
#4295 - Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:21 AM EDT
I see that you just ran off over at the deport vine when someone called you on the numbers about the Vietnam war Mr. foul mouthed green brown shirt you are as full of it as the rest of fister rose and fiends
so do you fringe libbies get together on some secrecy place in cyberville for a complex daisy chain, cause it sounds like there is a troll bridge you all are hanging out under toooogether i've been watching you progies quite closely. also you lefist basement dwellers should not count on total anonymity. which is really funny I think being more able than all of you.
btw hey FISTY rose just wavin at ya #1 hows that petro babe
POTUS Number 44 will be rendered merely A "what not to do" DNC footnote in history. (you can bet on that and WIN!) or not, up tooooo you,
VOTE, THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE=NOBAMA 2012
Well..sh*t, don't pretend you Republicon trolls don't cross the same damn bridge, little d#ck!
You wanna sling mud, we can do it all day long, if to defeat scumbags like you at the polls come November
VOTE, damn right
Obama 2012, punk!