Who lied and what was that lie?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998-

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998-

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5,

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"

Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002-

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003

Oil paid for what? Welcomed as liberators?WMD?Mission Accomplished? pick one?

so it wasnt a war for oil? we WERE welcomed as liberators leftard, they DID have WMDs, and the mission WAS accomplished for that AIRCRAFT CARRIER,

what part dont you get?

How dare these people be-little that moment of glory on that AC. We just defeated a country of over 30 Million people in a 100 hours, taking their ports, airfields, military bases, and destroyed their military! It is an absolute tradition to fly banners after such sucessful deployments! Has not anyone been in the military on here! It was one the most patriotic and amazing event to see our commander in Chief fly in on a fighter jett. He was a figher pilot which made all the more amazing.

We were all Americans then!

SHAME! OUTRAGE!

Osama united us, Obama truely has divided us.

Pissedoffperson

So I should take it that you will be voting Republican.

No they are the ones that messed up the economy!

BTW, Since you brought it up I will say that the majority of economist minded people say the credit crisis and the unregulated derivatives market is the cause of the greatest majority of our economic problems now. Can you provide me with information that shows how Bush or the republicans are responsible for that?

"majority of economist minded people" Sure these are facts! lolololol

Pissedoffperson

I knew you couldn't.

NH Shellback,

Quotes from a specific moment in time only captures a persons thought at that moment.

Actions comitted from the past certainly capture action facilitated by that thought.

And, as history has proven, the thought/action to invade Iraq was an error. It just so happens Gerge W. ,and the Republican Party are the specific individuals who rallied Congress/Military to follow through on comitting the erroneous action, based on erroneous Intelligence with NO WMD's fooling all Represenatives at that point, and time about threats perceived or misperceeived.............case closed

Tony - You forgot the remainder of the 1st sentence in your last paragraph that should read "although based on the belief by members of both the Republican and Democrat parties that Iraq presented eminent risk and danger to the United States of America"

now the case is closed!

Division of the people is a result of the obvious obstructionism and misguided hatred that is rampant in the GOP, and is evidenced by the strong anger shown in your posts. May I point out that this extremist form of obstructionism runs right to the very top of the Republican clown show. The most important elected republicans in our great nation have all gone on the record saying their number 1 priority is to make Obama a one-term president. They stated this from day 1, before he enacted any policy for them to rebel against.

This is a major problem in America.

Please do not reward this childish behavior with your vote. If you do, you will be helping to make the current gridlock in government even worse. Send Congress the right message: They are in office to work for the people, not to intentionally tank the economy so they may gain political points by making Obama look bad. I don't allow my five year old to get away with such tactics. Shouldn't we expect more from elected officials?

Apparently this one is a child at mind. Silly rants name calling bus stop behavior. Its those types that bring everyone down.

The Tea Party Caucus vowed to use their votes to make this country fiscally responsible. This is why they were elected. Apparently liberals can't conceive of elected officials that do what they promised.

Bodivd.....Why are you not posting the ENTIRE statement the President made that day leading up to the back of the bus comment? You afraid of the truth? You are as big a coward as they come.

Here is the ENTIRE statement:

Obama said: "Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

I'll be glad when this election is over. I am getting sick of the bigotry, racism, misinformation and outright lies coming out of the left.

BTW, Since you brought it up I will say that the majority of economist minded people say the credit crisis and the unregulated derivatives market is the cause of the greatest majority of our economic problems now. Can you provide me with information that shows how Bush is responsible for that?

Only from the left? The right does not bastardize the Presidents's name? Or his wife? Or call his daughters lesbians? Or refer to the President as a Muslim, Kenyan, Socialist,Marxist, Communist?

You got one healthy pair of balls to make a statement like you did in #181.1. The right has been the worst offenders, hands down, and you know it.

This is a post, I made over 3 weeks ago....you ignored it then as you will now:

Why is it that when a Republican posts, it must contain name-calling, lies, racial
slurs, filthy language, inuendo, or name-bastardization? And, don't forget to attack
the wife and children. They just cannot seem to communicate on a level where
these things are not required.

Isn't is amazing how the right takes the words "back of the bus" and uses them to try to undermine the middle class, the working class, generally all Americans? Why are they so afraid to post the ENTIRE statement the President made? It was only 5 sentences long!

Obama said: "Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

Why is it that when a Republican posts, it must contain name-calling, lies, racial
slurs, filthy language, inuendo, or name-bastardization? And, don't forget to attack
the wife and children. They just cannot seem to communicate on a level where
these things are not required.

Moron, You do realize it takes 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate????

Ian Emdee

If you took everything away from the wealthy it would still not be enough to pay off the debt.

If you could tax enough to just balance the budget we would have to have a tax increase each year as the government spent more and more as they have in the past.

It is going to take serious spending cuts across the board to go along with any tax increase if we expect to dig our way out of this hole. I have not seen where the President intends to even reduce deficit spending much less eliminate it.

Ricky, take off your blinders...do some REAL research, something you lack the ability Stop cutting and pasting, really work at it for once.

Ricky....you have ranted several times about the economic crises, wanting to know why it is the way it is.

Contrary to what you want to believe it did not "just start" under Obama. I did the work for you, sit back, pour another cup of coffee:

1. One-way free trade (NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, GATT)

Our “free trade” policies have allowed other countries to use unfair tactics to put our industries out of business. Theoretically these nations are committed to opening their markets to our goods – but they are not foolish enough to allow that to happen in an uncontrolled way.

2. Failure to Shield Our Key Industries from Foreign Takeovers

Virtually all of our industry is available for sale to the highest bidder, even if that bidder resides in a country like China with a long history of cheating us in commercial competition. We have made almost no effort to restrain other countries from purchasing or bankrupting our industries.

3. Insourcing

Insourcing refers to the production of goods and services in the United States by foreign corporations. For decades our state governments have sent trade missions to other countries and developed massive incentive packages to compete with other states in luring foreign industry. With tax breaks, training assistance, and other goodies that we don’t extend to our own companies, we invite predatory foreign competition to destroy our own domestic industries. Insourcing provides very few jobs in relation to output and most of those jobs are low-skill, low-productivity jobs in final assembly. We don’t even get any benefit from these companies’ profits because the bookkeeping is rigged to minimize the amount of paid taxes on such profits.

4. Offshore Outsourcing

Our markets are structured to make it almost impossible for any manager or entrepreneur, no matter how patriotic, to resist the trend to cut American industrial jobs and ship the work abroad. Although our corporations have laid-off Millions of American workers in recent years as part of their outsourcing policy, we should not be too harsh in criticizing them. The real blame lies elsewhere – with corrupt politicians, ivory-tower economists, smug and superficial media commentators, bought-and-paid-for think-tank analysts, and of course, unscrupulous foreign trade lobbyists. Individual American corporations must do what they can to survive. Once their competitors start moving jobs offshore they have little choice but to follow suit. These days the jobs they feel forced to send offshore include many key occupations in engineering, research and design. Very often we lose not just jobs but vital proprietary know-how. In fact in many cases foreign governments insist that in return for getting the benefit of cheap local labor, American companies should transfer key technologies.

5. Massive debts

This country is running massive debts with foreign creditors. Cheap foreign credit has made it far too easy for us to overextend ourselves. These loans have virtually eliminated any current feeling of discomfort for most consumers.

6. Loss of leverage

The combined effect of all of our policy failures is a downward spiral. Foreign credit is like an addictive drug and we have become dangerously dependent. We have lost the leverage to talk back to foreign interests. We must tamely submit when they make unreasonable demands and just pretend not to notice when they fail to honor their promises. Even worse most of us are in the dark about the scale of what is happening. This is in part because our media are increasingly engaged in self-censorship for fear of offending powerful foreign advertisers.

How We Will Be Impacted

When we have no more assets to sell, our dollar will be consigned to the ashcan of history. The resulting collapse in our foreign purchasing power will lead to massive inflation, declining real wages, and a shrinking tax base. This will in turn lead to fewer social services, increased poverty, rising social strife and major national security concerns.

Other nations clearly don’t want the dollar to implode any time soon. In fact we know from their currency market behavior that they are working hard to prop the dollar up. They seem to be choosing a “slow-death” approach whereby we become accustomed to ever higher levels of dependence on foreign producers and lenders.

Key Solutions

Drastic action is needed to restore our economic and financial independence and we must begin immediately to rebuild our industries. The first essential is that our government should ensure that it is once again profitable to produce most goods and services in American factories employing American workers.

We must establish policies that prevent other countries from doing to us what they would never let us do to them. Specifically, we must halt the sale of key assets to foreigners. We must also close up opportunities foreign corporations to compete unfairly against our home industries. We should move immediately to curb our out-of-control spending on unnecessary programs and initiatives that are being financed by foreign debt. We should institute policies to cut back our consumption, and particularly consumption of imported products. We should look to the way other nations have established industrial superiority over us and try to copy their best policies. We should not allow individuals and companies to profit by selling out America.

No plan to revive our economic and industrial self-sufficiency will be pain-free. Because our industrial decline has already gone so far – it has been proceeding rapidly for more than 30 years already – restoring our industry to world-leading standards of competitiveness will require serious restrictions on trade and investment flows. Despite indisputable evidence that current policies have proved grossly inadequate or even counterproductive in the past, our opinion leaders remain committed to a business-as-usual strategy that is doomed to failure.

Most US Citizens are not as concerned about the "Global Market Place" and maintaining the one-sided "Free Trade" as they are about being able to earn a living, their children's future and the future of our country. The people with all of the excuses as to why we can't use tariffs and can't or aren't willing to manufacture products here in the US are the same people who have provided us with the thinking that's gotten us into this mess in the first place.

Unfortunately our political leaders are unlikely to do right by the United States Citizens that elected them, because they and or their parties are beholden to the same people who have been exporting our industries and our jobs.

Check this site out: www.economyincrisis.org

www.economyincrisis.org/content/protectionism-matter-self-survival#comment-6632

Too bad we'll never see these types of articles in the mainstream media

(All of these program "End Time" religions are devoted to creating a future totalitarian theocratic kingdom over our entire world, to be perpetually ruled by a supreme demigod dictator known as the Messiah or Christ. If there was ever a future recipe for total disaster in our world, it is these kinds of fascist religious "End Time" belief systems. Every year Americans give tens of billions of dollars to this deadly religious cause, not to mention also devoting countless hours of their time. I have been trying to tell people for a very long time now that the real "Gospel" or "Good News" is that mankind potentially has countless millions (even billions) of years of growth, development and expansion ahead of them, so long as they don't fall for these terminal religious "End Time" belief systems, but unfortunately very few people are willing to even listen, much less heed anything I have to offer or say. I have repeatedly warned everyone that if these terminal religious belief systems ever fulfill themselves in a program "End Time" way, it will be outside offensive totalitarian ETs "coming in the clouds" militarily, while once more masquerading as Divinity toward mankind, this time as the returning Christ or Messiah. Tragically, no one really seems to care. Oh, well, goodbye and good luck, everyone!) - RC

(Even though Christians are prevented today from using fascist means to promote their religious faith, their ultimate goals for our world are still very clearly fascist in nature. Please understand that once you all finally get your "End Time" religious desires fulfilled, according to the Christian faith all unbelievers (the so called "goats") are supposed to be thrown alive into a boiling "Lake of Fire" (i.e., super volcano) as the means of inaugurating this totalitarian theocratic kingdom over our entire world.) - RC

(What is being very cleverly engineered right now is the total failure of democracy in our world, in order to pave the way for the program apocalyptic fulfillment and eventual "End Time" takeover of these fascist Abrahamic religions in our world.) - RC

(I have already pointed out a number of times in the past that these deadly religious Human Software Viruses (HSVs) are in part modeled after deadly immune compromising infections like HIV/AIDs, which means they have both a (largely asymptomatic) latency phase during which they are quietly spreading and getting deeply established, as well as a deadly crisis phase, as history has already demonstrated many times in the past. In fact, just like HIV/AIDs it is not really these HSVs which cause most of the actual harm during these deadly crisis phases, but the other secondary infectious beliefs (reference Nazism, together with occultism, paganism, etc.) which these dangerous religions cause mankind to be susceptible to while trying to fulfill these totalitarian "End Time" goals of a Messianic takeover.) - RC