Hey libbies:

This here is MSNBC, and yet O is taking a beating.

See how this goes?

Bloom off the rose and all.

Remember: O failed. Now it can't be liberalism, so it has to be him.

And now all the libbies will turn and blame him.

Gonna be ugly.

But super fun. [just no one tell Amy - she's out back tending to the hot coals].

Obama's original comment drew immediate scrutiny from Republicans

Republicans?!? More like Psychiatrists.

HIs gay marriage support comes too little too late after the vote in NC, just like his comments here come too little too late for the Public Sector Union supporters in WI. He is such a coward. He'd sell out his only loyal base support to save his own skin...and I still don't think these people realize it. Liberalism is such a sad disease.

No matter what is discussed every day, USA's biggest enemy is our debt. For $16T debt, even if interest rate is 1%, country is paying $500 million every day!!!!!!

If it is not fixed soon enough, country will be broke!!

McCain - "The fundamentals of the economy are strong!"

Obama - "The private sector is doing fine!"

Good gosh, Obama has turned into McCain.

In a campaign ad, Romney claims, in reference to the federal loan guarantee Solyndra received, "The inspector general said contracts were steered to friends and family."

That's as clear a lie as the campaign has told all year.

........check it out for yourselves..(google, bing, or whatever), and that's ony 1 (one) lie....if his mouth is moving, he's lying!

I thought his Campaign slogan was "Forward" not "Backpedal", "Backpedal", "Backpedal".

His original Comment was correct. He doesn't give a crap about the Private sector only growing the Government, Public Unions, Government Dependency, etc...

AND PB piles on from the other side of crazy town....

"Damage Control" which was mediocre.

Sounds a bit like covering for Mr. Biden's comments. Waiting for a response from the White House about the "Senior Spots" and "plants that grow with no water, no soil, or no sun".

Guess we heard enough this morning about the EuROPIIgs problems. Guess what Mrs. Merkel is planning......"political/fiscal EuROPIIgs Union":

• http://www.columbiadailyherald.com/sections/news/world/merkel-urges-gradual-political-union-europe.html

Strange, Mr. Obama did not mention that this morning.

But what do you have against McCain

Recall 4 years back Obama was the "cool guy", the "smartest guy in the room". He had all the answers.

McCain was this old geezer, and just another "Bush II".

Turns out Obama is just like McCain. And Biden is 10x's as entertaining as Sarah would have been. That guy is like Clinton, you never know what he's going to say.

Obama/Biden 2012 - "Recovery Summer"

There is no clear choice for president, but I am still waiting to see a better choice than Obama....... Mittens doesn't even come close to bettering Obama.

MSNBC - rating up?

Oh, that's funny.

I'd rather have President Obama at the helm, as opposed to Mitt Romney. We lost 4 million jobs in Bush's last year alone, but in 2008, McCain was telling us the economy was solid. We've been adding jobs every month for the past two years, but Romney is crying over job creation. Republicans tell you one thing when it suits them, another when a Democrat is President

David Noah - 'His original Comment was correct. He doesn't give a crap about the Private sector only growing the Government, Public Unions, Government Dependency, etc...' - I'm confused...I thought all the righties WANTED big government out of the private sector...now your saying it's governments job to ensure that the private sector grows? Or is it back to the privatize the gains/socialize the losses mantra that Republicans blindly follow. If the government pays $100,000 to government workers to build a road, that is evil socialism, but if the government pays a private company $200,000 to build the same road...then that is ok because it is capitalism?

Under fire from Republicans, President Obama clarified an earlier assessment of the health of the private sector, explaining that it's "absolutely clear" the economy is not doing "fine."

The president, in response to a question Friday afternoon in the Oval Office, backtracked somewhat on his comments his morning that "the private sector is doing fine."

I guess David Plouffe told him at lunch the economy still sucked. Obumbler sure is a clown show. If you play back the last two weeks at 10x normal speed you see the Obama campaign coming apart at the seams.

Democrats and backtracking - it's what's for dinner, eh gang?

Right. Changing your mind when the numbers change means you are wishy-washy. I guess that's why we liberals are called 'effete.' We pay attention to reality. A real tough guy wouldn't change his mind no matter what the facts were.

That was a pretty stupid thing for Obama to say - and it's even worse when you consider he called the press conference and used prepared comments. He may or may not be out of touch, but that comment was definitely out of touch.

"You know, and what I'm interested in hearing from Congress and Mr. Romney is what steps are they willing to take right now that are going to make an actual difference?" Obama asked.

Barry, this may be news to you. Romney is not holding national office right now.

GT: Are you saying that O is an old geezer

He's sure acting like it. So what do you think GT, in the morning the private sector is just fine, in the afternoon, it isn't? Looks like Barry might be getting a little senile. Or maybe he's just tired from all that fun raising?

Sorry dear, but you're definitely a little short in the "Above the neck" department...LOL

Ohhh, another one still bitter about Wisconsin. Tough breaks there GT. And unlike you, I have a neck.

PhantomBeast -

(Romney) / "Rommel?"

Among other things ... Rommel was brillant, was highly respected by the Allies, rejected Nazism, rejected orders as to treatment of prisoners / Jews etc ......

Rommel was linked to assassination attempts on Hitler and forced to commit suicide in order to save his family.

The lengths Libbies will go to marginalize their opposition is only surpassed by their bigotry, ignorance of history and stunning stupidity.

Okay, now it's your turn Romney. Any corrections you would like to make, or are there too many you can't choose? Or perhaps you would resort to your usual "what's sauce for the gander" garbage, and don't forget to be gleeful about it too. Because apparently lying is not only second nature for you, it is so much fun too!

Ron-1861300, et al -- The president makes a correction to his choice words, almost immediately, and what is your response? Instead of noting how this indicates true leadership (the buck stops here), true courage, a sincere attempt to be honest with the American people, what you post is the same hypocritical vitriol the rightwing always posts.

No offense, but I hope voters remember Mr. Obama's own words that, if he couldn't fix the economy in 3 years, his would be a one-term presidency.

Let's hope the voters hold him up to his own standards. It's only politicians with lofty goals and no actual plans that dig their own political graves.

That's why the advice is to "surround yourself with the best and the brightest." The saying doesn't advise anyone to surround him/herself with echo chambers.

Democrats have inherited the support of organized labor. It's been years since any of our politicians have earned it :(

Too much republican-lite through the ranks.

Not enough honest blue-collar economics.

Time to return to the roots of the cause and quit playing with these guys. Go after them in sweeping ways.

Not free trade. Fair trade.

Not globalization. Protectionism.

Champion the initiatives that put jobs in our people's hands.

@True Patroit #1.34: Boehner and Cantor made Romney's case for him. NOOOoooo!!!

Hey Tek -

Like all the great work being done in South Carolina.

Hyundia just hired another shift for it's plant.

Note all - the auto industry is far bigger than GM.

SC sure is different than Cali, eh TEK?

Yea, I wish the Republicans were boogeymen but unfortunately they got a lot of money to fund their conspiracies. They should all be charged with sabotage and thrown in corporate owned jails, the firing squad is to good for them. If anyone is responsible for the sorry state of our economy look to the Republican side of the aisle.

Among other things ... Rommel was brillant,

You're absoutely right Bob - Romney is definitely no Rommel.....

Obama/Biden 2012

Republicans ARE stalling the economy. NYT had an editorial today that makes the point that it's the House Republicans that are out of touch.

Another ridiculous bill coming up would prohibit the adoption of any major new government regulation until the unemployment rate falls to 6 percent or less.

Yet the House, so eager to take these kinds of votes, won’t move the stalled transportation bill, holding up billions of dollars — and millions of jobs — on road and transit projects, apparently out of fear it might help the economy and thus the political fortunes of Democrats. Because of internal Republican divisions, the House could pass only a 90-day bill extending existing highway programs. But when the Senate overwhelmingly approved a two-year bill (on a 74-to-22 vote), House leaders held it up in conference committee, while insisting on attaching unrelated provisions, like approving the Keystone XL oil pipeline and restricting any regulations on toxic coal ash from power plants.

So far, the House Republicans have done little but show that they have no real interest in governing.

Full article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/08/opinion/the-bills-to-nowhere.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1339185635-hOOs1OV3CSBgjih1wh/P+Q

If he can't tell if the economy is "doing fine" or not, then he obviously in not qualified for the job. This is the day he lost the election. Alright. Let's get some Senate seats. The rest is just conversation until January.

chilled -- Agreed, that was only one lie of many.

The first really big one was Romney's ad in which he edited the president quoting John McCain, and then had the audacity to gleefully defend it as "what's sauce for the goose" BS. There isn't any greater deceit than purposefully editing the words of someone who is quoting someone else!

And as if that wasn't bad enough, Romney (along with other GOP dirt bags) claimed the stimulus didn't work, though the CBO and a majority of economists say it did. Then he lied about how jobs have been lost during the Obama administration, when in fact there has been 27 months straight of job growth in the private sector.

Then he told that lie about money for Solyndra being steered to friends and family, when in fact the investigator found no such thing happened. And then he claims the president has never offered any plan to create jobs. Where the heck was this loser when the Jobs Act was voted on multiple times in the month of October, with only the payroll tax cuts being passed after much pressure on the Do Nothing Teapublicans?

He just told another lie about health care reform being implemented though the president supposedly knew it would damage the economy. First of all, ACA has not damaged the economy, and in fact will create savings in the budget -- But the author of the book Romney quotes has been out in the media trying to correct Romney's lie, because that's NOT what the guy wrote.

I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime. A candidate being caught and corrected, yet continues to repeat the lie, and of all things seems to take pleasure in telling lies. Wow, just wow -- how can anyone accept this?

colleen-392992

HIs gay marriage support comes too little too late after the vote in NC, just like his comments here come too little too late for the Public Sector Union supporters in WI. He is such a coward. He'd sell out his only loyal base support to save his own skin...and I still don't think these people realize it. Liberalism is such a sad disease.

Gay marriage will NOT be decided by the President or Congress. It's going to go the Supreme Court. At least Obama has the courage to stand up and say its "WRONG" to continue heterosexual rights to discriminate against gays/lesbians. As for North Carolina. Yep, a great example of where you can marry your first cousin, just not your GAY COUSIN.

You righties are the cowards. You whine/complain and enjoy pointing the finger of blame. However, where is the GOP right now on getting our economy back? All they have done is shout that lower corporate taxes will create jobs. Where are the jobs? Oh wait, that's right, they have moved to other countries based on a GOP tax credit for corporations that offshore their jobs. Yeah, that's really going to help improve our economy.

The GOP voted AGAINST a bill last week that would have supported EQUAL pay for women in this country. Yet, the GOP says they are the 'family values' party. You talk about disease, that's the real disease.

The GOP is the ones say that corporations are people and supported the 'right' to give as much money as they want in an election. You tell me which party is trying to "BUY" America.

Romney talks a big game, but what is HIS economic plan? Does he even have one? You know we can't run this country like a GIANT Corporation which is the only thing he knows how to do.

Obama/Biden 2012.

Its funny how when O makes a gaff, the righties are all over it.

Why? Because O makes very few. So when he does, the right has to jump at it like dogs fighting over a scrap. On the other hand, Mitten's makes so many gaffs that nobody pays any attention to them anymore. Until November, that is....

Obama/Biden 2012

Backtracks on his prepared remarks, again.....Media claiming he was blindsided by the "Michelle doesn't go all the way down" remark in his teleprompter ,to the GLBT Gathering....Has this guy had an Original Thought his entire life ???....

Three years ago, President Obama said he would be looking at a "one-term proposition" if the economy didn't turn around during his first term.

"If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition," Obama said during a Today show interview broadcast Feb. 2, 2009.

It's absolutely clear, the economy is not doing fine.

Really?? How effing perceptive!

But O doesn't flip-flop, he evolves, wink-wink...

Dont_carry_it_all -- Agreed, Romney is NOT brilliant -- talk about the wrong choice of word.

People have known there's something weird about Romney, but the more I learn about him, there's something really wrong with him, as in mental. Look at the photo of Romney protesting in favor of the Vietnam war and draft (knowing fully well he would receive deferments) -- He has the biggest smile about sending others to their death in his place.

Forget about being a pathological liar. What about impersonating a police officer? The man is not well.

Seriously. There are books and movies questioning whether Sarah Palin is "unstable" and Romney's "story" should be next.

GT-2021701 -- Exactly. I can't read the rightwing drivel posted just above without falling asleep.

OMG you righties are SO predictable it's a hoot! As if Republican candidates, or presidents or senators, have never backtracked on their comments when they were called out, yeah right! Oh but, like everything else, if Republicans do it, it's right and proper! As soon as there is any article that says anything even remotely negative about President Obama, you call come out of the woodwork! Get a life.

True Pat --

Forget about being a pathological liar. What about impersonating a police officer? The man is not well.

Seems to me there's a sheriff in Arizona doing the same thing. He's not well, either.

But he will no doubt be re-elected.

Spanky --

Yep, cause Rove made O put his foot in his own mouth.

Why is that so hard to believe? After all, Rove did it to George W. Bush any number of times.

The Stock Market responded very positively to the Gov.Walker re-win in Wisconsin ....It's up 417 points from the close June 5th. ...5 hours before the polls closed...Gained 270 points the very next day and still climbing....

Mike in Delray

I hate to burst your bubble.. but the STOCK market is rebounding based more on China's latest actions and the European Union. It has NOTHING to do with Walker.

Its all pure speculation anyway. My stocks have done 10x better with Obama in office than they ever did under Bush.

wastelandpast

http://mittromneyflipflops.com/ <--- Enjoy. I know I get a very good laugh at them

@ Mike in Delray --

No one must have told the stock market that Republicans lost control of the State Senate. At least for now, Walker is dead in the water. But if the market wants to rise on news that uninformed people voted for a governor who lies, cheats, and steals benefits from poor children to give to the Koch brothers, then the market is not my friend, or yours.

Spanky-

You nailed it.
South Carolina IS different from Cali :)

It's po-dunk compared to the 9th largest economy in the world.

It's a microcosm compared to a 2T GDP/annually, isn't it?

Yeah.

see, here's the thing. You've been mis-framing your argument all along.

California is trying to fit the mould of a state, while being in the top 10% of world economies. It's not working well. Our 'austerity' and balanced budget measures that all states have in their constitution, but states like Cali actually adhere to since we lose .27 cents on the dollar to the Fed...

Those don't work too well, now do they?

Heck, i'd go on a limb and say that we'd be quite prosperous if we cut the majority of those red welfare states loose...whattya think, buddy boy? Just cut the welfare queens lose, yeah? That's what the republican party keeps clamoring for, because they're usually too ignorant to realize that rural areas ARE the welfare areas.

That paving a street for 2 or 3 houses isn't very 'cost effective' and a waste of state money. Good thing those rural states get a nice, big pot of cash from old Uncle Sam.

Again I'll point out the concept of 'trade deficit', and how the single over-arching factor shown between a near recession-proof economy and a house of cards is their 'trade balance'. One of these days someone will get it...

...or maybe they'll just keep getting rich while failing to address the overall problem.

Either way, I intend on collecting my case of Nattie Ice from you in November.

@ Mike in Delray --

And of course, the market might also have reacted positively to the news that Johnson Controls, one of Wisconsin's largest employers, announced -- the "very next day" after the election -- the news that it is building a new plant --

.... in China.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-06/D9V7O13O1.htm

Shares of Johnson Controls added 84 cents, or 2.9 percent, to $29.52 in afternoon trading. The stock has traded in a 52-week range of $24.29 to $42.92.

Yet another stunning success for Governor Walker.

How DOES he do it?

Under fire from Republicans, President Obama clarified an earlier assessment of the health of the private sector, explaining that it's "absolutely clear" the economy is not doing "fine."

Well, really, under fire from EVERYONE!

What kind of stupid fool says the "private sector is doing just fine" that it's government workers who need help. It's interesting that MSNBC choose to not throw salt in the self inflicted wound by bothering to reprint Obama's quote in this article. I'll bet if this wasn't a televised press conference, the main stream media probably wouldn't have even bothered to report that quote. We saw how quickly they spiked the "blow job" joke Obama offered at the Hollywood fundraiser yesterday.

Slowly but surely, most Americans can see the "Emperor has no clothes" despite the best efforts of the Media Thankfully we only have 8 more months of this dope smoking, cocaine using, narcissist in the White House. Speaking of cocaine, I'm starting to wonder just what was causing that thrill to run up and down Chris Matthew's leg as the anchor of MSNBC's Hardball.

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NOBAMA 2012!

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Why is anyone even talking about McCain. It is irrelevant. The Republicans and some Democrats have come up with plans to increase job growth but Obama is only interested in one thing. Take money that we do not have or take it from those who he believes have too much and use it to create fake jobs. these jobs would be additional teachers which we do not need. we have made it through an entire school year and there are teachers in all the classrooms making an average of $75,000 a year for 9 months work where I live with very little if nothing paid as a share toward benefits. Or we will hire more police or fireman that we do not need. Or we will create projects that we do not need. The main street where I live has been redone twice in the last three years. But Obama is now doing it for the third time. Just wasting money to create jobs.

So how about trying the conservative solution. That is cut spending, cut taxes and leave it up to business to create jobs. Since all Obama has done with the billions wasted has not worked why does he think it can work at all? The man lives in an ideological bubble.

ANNA MOLLY!!!

How are you?

Where you been?

I missed you. Especially Tuesday and Wed.

So.....how are things?

Tek - I know you appreciate summer blend gas. How come I can get gas for $.50 less in Arizona? How come my electricity. bills are so much more in Cali than in Az.?

And speaking of Welfare queens - we sure do have a lot of them here, right?

Case of Natty? Let's see, when we made the bet O was over 50%. Michigan and Wisc were solid blue.

Easy money, umm I mean beer.

Sure is pretty in Monterey Bay right now though. Surf is jacked, but lovely to look at.

The best way to stimulate the economy is an Republican idea, more specifically, to start a lunar colony - an idea from Newtered Grinch, the Lunatic

John --

What kind of stupid fool says the "private sector is doing just fine" that it's government workers who need help.

The kind that understands the facts.

What kind of stupid fool are you?

Or don't you believe that public sector employees also need jobs?

No, of course, you don't. And cut off their unemployment insurance, too, while you're at it.

Gotcha.

@ Spanky --

Hiya Spanks. Sorry about Wednesday and Thursday. But I had work to do, unlike you, from what I heard.

Things are fine here, given that the State Senate flipped, essentially neutering the little Napoleon.

But all that I have to say about this is summed up pretty much in one sentence --

I never want to hear conservatives say anything EVER again about union bosses and out-of-state union money or about George Soros.

You own it now, Spanky. Embrace it.

And maybe you could volunteer some time for Walker's legal defense, while you're at it.

I'm sure that's the exact kind of pro bono work you prefer.

Have a great weekend, buddy.

ItsAboutTime-3704531...(#1.45).."The GOP voted AGAINST a bill last week that would have supported EQUAL pay for women in this country. Yet, the GOP says they are the 'family values' party. You talk about disease, that's the real disease."

Wait a minute.....I thought we already got the Lily Bedwetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, Obama's first signature on a piece of legislation signing it into law....Prohibiting wage discrimination for women.....When he had a 248% Approval Rating and complete Majorities in Both Houses of Congress...They didn't get the first one right, they had to do a new one ???

Lookin' like this new bill just wanted to place more onerous paperwork on
employers and make more work for the Lawyers...........Obama's biggest Campaign
Contributors.....

And of course provide material for Campaign Commercials.

Summer Blend Gas doesn't bother me. I pay a premium to live in the most beautiful place in the world. And I've seen a lot of places.

If it bothers people too much, if they're unwilling to fork up the cash to live in SoCal and enjoy the most beautiful beaches in the world every day...they're free to move to an economy friendlier to their pursuits. I won't hold it against them.

And if people quit outsourcing 2million california jobs a YEAR...then I think we'd have a whole lot less on the dole. Whatcha think? If we hadn't flat-out exported 334Billion (as a state, mind you) in the last 4 years...to China alone (not including canada, mexico, etc. Just china.)

well gee, that's 2 million jobs @ 40,000/year.

That's 2/3 of our unemployed.

That's...ohmygosh...that's bringing us from 10% to 3.3% or so.

I love Monterey. Visit the aquarium? Cloudless down here in Carlsbad right now. I love it.

People really need to learn the difference between "backtracking" and "clarifying". This is just pathetic.

If you actually read the article, he was saying "the private sector is fine" AS COMPARED TO THE PUBLIC SECTOR. His later comment did not contradict that.

What another POS softball article by the Administration's main media arm, MSNBC... And they don't even mention the main point of the article in the F'N HEADLINE which is that he had to backtrack on earlier statements. So the regular Joe Schmoe that sees this headline on the homepage isn't going to give this article the time of day because, DUH, everyone knows the economy isn't doing fine. However, your friends at FAUX NEWS (as you obama drone whores like to call it) spells it out right - FAIR N BALANCED:

"Hours after President Obama declared the private sector was "doing fine" which he later backed away from after receiving criticism — one of the nation's major credit rating agencies affirmed it was not."

Hmmm, we're still waiting on MSNBC to update their front page w/ the good news from the credit agency...

Lynda...Get a candidate.

Tek - we lose 3-4 business a day. Taxes regulations and the like. And that not to countries but to states.

It is clear, but storm surf here.

And by here I mean a lovely conference room, that literally is feet from the beach.

Torture.

But at least I got you all to bid the time.

Spanks -- Riddle me this --

Wouldn't losing businesses to other states merely be sum zero to the economy as a whole?

So, if that's true, is President Obama really wrong when he says the private sector is doing just fine?

Hey congrats Anna M on the whole flip thing.

So tell me, when does the legislature meet again?

What pray tell is on the agenda for that session?

Oh and AM - you libbies keep talking about these allegations. Got anything, um, more concrete? Charges, or maybe a public official willing to come out into the public with the accusations?

Hey, maybe it'll be talked about at that next legislative session?

Gee, its really hard to know what side to come in on when the attacks from both sides are so obviously correct. Absolutely brilliant analysis of the "flip-flopper" and the "evolver".

Sure AM, but how's that help Brown's little problem?

See, unlike the One, Brown can't print up money. And no way anyone gonna lend him any.

Oh and No Obama was spot on, the private sector is gangbusters. :)

Tell me something I don't know, Spanky. But remember that what we won't have -- before January of next year, anyway -- are any more "special sessions" like Walker called in 2011 to fix the hole he created in the budget by destroying collective bargaining and decimating public employee salaries and benefits.

For now, I'd say that's plenty.

Oh and AM - you libbies keep talking about these allegations. Got anything, um, more concrete? Charges, or maybe a public official willing to come out into the public with the accusations?

FYI -- The silence may relate to the fact that there are currently 2 investigations pending -- both state and federal. Several -- I believe the current number is 6 -- former employees have been charged, and at least 2 have already pleaded out their charges.

One of Walker's cronies was convicted of campaign finance fraud relating to contributions to Walker.

Two of his former aides are charged with stealing from a fund earmarked for veterans -- I presume you don't approve of that, do you big man?

The investigations are now moving beyond Walker's term as county executive and into his current administration -- specifically involving the Department of Administration and the possibility that it was running a scheme similar to what Walker was doing in Milwaukee.

And no, I can't produce anyone who is singing out loud right now, but that's probably because something like 14 of Walker's current and former staff members have been granted immunity.

I wonder why. What bigger fish could they be looking for.

We think, at least, that it's not Richard Nixon.

So, who?

TP

And as if that wasn't bad enough, Romney (along with other GOP dirt bags) claimed the stimulus didn't work, though the CBO and a majority of economists say it did.

Would that be the same CBO that stated it cost $4.1 million for each job created. Wow ... that's success everyone can afford, huh?

Then he lied about how jobs have been lost during the Obama administration, when in fact there has been 27 months straight of job growth in the private sector.

Yea ... really great performance when you consider that he can't even keep up with work force growth without screwing with the numbers.

Bottom line - the CBO you tout even says real unemployment is above 10%.

Romney is right.

Then he told that lie about money for Solyndra being steered to friends and family

Technically, this one might be dicey ... I don't think Obama has friends ..... he has money bundlers. Kaiser and crew certainly qualify - fact.

And then he claims the president has never offered any plan to create jobs

Obama has never offered anything that supports sustainable, private sector jobs. Union jobs / government jobs / etc. are not self sustainable and create no real job growth.

Romney's opinion is right.

He just told another lie about health care reform being implemented though the president supposedly knew it would damage the economy.

If Romney said that, he assumes Obama is not too ignorant of economics to not know better.

Reality is that Obamacare is a disaster for the economy - 21 new taxes, boo-coos of cost uncertainity. Simple the last thing you do in a recession.

Romney lies?

Hardly, nice job of lying about the facts though.

Mike in Delray

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/paycheck-fairness-act-senate-vote_n_1571413.html

Enjoy :)

The Senate failed to secure the 60 votes needed to advance the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would have required employers to demonstrate that any salary differences between men and women doing the same work are not gender-related. The bill also would have prohibited employers from retaliating against employees who share salary information with their co-workers, and would have required the Labor Department to increase its outreach to employers to help eliminate pay disparities.

The final vote was 52-47, with all Republicans opposing the bill. That included female Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Susan Collins (Maine), Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine).

If employers were 'actually' doing this on their own, we wouldn't need the government to act would we.... But According to the GOP, We can trust corporations...

ANNA MOLLY?

If you know that then 'splain this comment:

Things are fine here, given that the State Senate flipped, essentially neutering the little Napoleon.

Go ahead, take you time, I'll wait.

Damn, I've missed you AM

Hate to break it to ya'll but the private sector is doing great. Bosses, CEO's, CFO's, boardmembers, they are rolling in dough, the problem here is greed. Back in the day those at the top used to care about those underneath them, Not anymore. There is a reason we have the greatest income inequality of any nation in the world.

And its definitly not Obamas fault, big business has been hording all the jobs and money just like the republicans intended. Remember the republican agreement from 2008 after Obama was elected. I believe it was "Defeat Obama at all costs even if it means hurting America"

Like Mel Gibson they are saying what they feel and he had a press conference because he is a cheerleader so give the man dress and have him cart wheel out of our lives.

No time required, Spanks. But I do appreciate the offer.

Simply put, Walker's neutered for at least 6 months for two reasons. Although the legislature won't be in regular session again until the fall, Walker won't call a special session where he can't pass anything, and even after the election, he won't pass anything in regular session, either -- at least not until January of 2013.

That's good because now he'll have some time to concentrate on something other than fundraising.

I mean, 23,000 jobs in a year and a half is pretty doggone anemic for a guy who pledged 250,000 in his first term - you know what I mean?

In the meantime, there's a lot of water still waiting to flow under the bridge. And for the November election, Karl Rove and the Koch boys will have other things to worry about that an obsequious little pissant like Scott Walker.

So, unless Romney is crazy enough to take him as VP -- please, please, please, Mitt -- Walker is on his own now.

Heck, he's even invited everyone to a bi-partisan "brat summit" for next week.

http://m.jsonline.com/158139655.htm

What's that all about, Spanks? Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait.

Missed you, too. ;-)

Obama has finally given us irrefutable proof that he is an empty suit. Doesn't he read this stuff that somebody else writes for him before he just starts spouting off? Oh, wait! he IS an empty suit. Whatever influenced me to write that?

If the private sector is doing great, why are so many of my friends still out of work? And these are educated people that were laid off during the decline that have not been able to find work for 2+ years now. But that's okay: POTUS has assured us that the private sector is doing great!?!?

HE was the one that guaranteed us that if he couldn't turn it around in 3 years, he should not be POTUS. Will he keep this campaign promise or are we only kidding ourselves? At the rate he is going, his wife may wind up doing the job for us, especially if he repeats that line about her not going down far enough. Is he the reincarnation of Slick Willy? Who, by the way, agrees with Republicans that things are NOT going well and that we need a strong leader to get us out of the wilderness. (Too bad he got hammered by the White House and DNC to help BHO out instead of telling we the people how great Mitt Romney is.)

Maybe I should try for a job as BHOs speechwriter. I think I could do a better job of getting his foot in his mouth than his current speechwriter is doing. Or maybe not. I don't know. But then again...

To recap the great state of WISC:

No legislative session and no charges.

Well alrighty then.

Wisc - here to you. And thank you for not just a year of high entertainment, but for the total beat down of team blue.

Oh and sleep on o' union giant that was to rise up and crush Walker. Guess sleeping was the better option. Well played Sleeping Giant, well played.

Say, what's Trumpka up to these days? A big pay cut coming? I mean, down with another 1%-er, or something.

Look the President has just returned from a fund raising event in Beverly Hills California, so when he was asked about the private sector he obviously responded with what he had been hearing....the Democratic 1% are doing just fine (and in fact they are).

On this fund raising point though, it would have been better not to tie up traffic on the day and hour that the King's were trying to win their first Stanley Cup...on the other hand an appearance at their victory party (sadly they did not win) would have been great free media exposure.

The President is a Harvard trained attorney...these people are schooled in articulating exactly what they think...clearly...concisely...we didn't elect him for his business experience!

Well he's not exactly wrong. Alot of the corporations are kicking b_utt with billions in profits. I work for one of them, V_erizon. The CEO's are certainly doing OK raking in 49 million last year between 2 people. Of course this doesn't stop them from outsourcing American jobs and trying to take away the pensions and healthcare of the workers. Seems to me the "trickle down" part is what's broken.

bob-1805084 -- Once again, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. The rightwing loves poll results or the CBO or the constitution when and how it suites their world view. It's funny how rightwing trolls think they know more than experts who devote their entire lives to their areas of specialty. Facts good, fire good.

ItsAboutTime-3704531 -- Agreed. It's even funnier when rightwingers think some little twit in Wisconsin has an affect on the stock market, hahaha. Nah, it couldn't be about Europe, or China, or at least a nationwide report on jobs, or the tech or housing industry or what have you. One election in one state of one country drives the global economy -- riiiight!

Well, we are talking about the Republican Party, and Orly Tatz in the top five, and Kreep (the dude who sells Birther paraphernalia) -- Hurry rightwingers, save your Party. It's going down the toilet!

Kenn the Dem -- The president was using a helicopter so as not to tie up traffic in California, and I'm sure no matter what he does someone will b!tch. And yes, the 1% are doing more than fine. At least Hollywood donors aren't expecting ROI, like toxic waste dumps, or government subsidies to drill on government land, or regulating Wall Street that would prevent them from risking FDIC-insured tax dollars. And those unions, where do they get off trying to protect good paying jobs here in the US?

We need to privatize everything--heck even the military should be run by Haliburton. And once we are all wage slaves for a monopoly, then finally the free market can work like it should! (Not.)

Well, Spanky -- I guess you're right. There are no charges ... YET. Just Walker's current balance of $160,000 in his legal defense fund and a whole lot of quiet out of our usually confident governor. If he's innocent, why doesn't the little weasel just say so?

But he hasn't ... yet.

Laugh if you want to, but speaking of the "beat down" of Team Blue, you might appreciate the complete full-circle irony of this, at least --

That Democrat criminal mastermind, Mark Miller, who led those cowardly 13 State Senators to Illinois last year, is now the President of the State Senate.

What goes around, comes around. And Walker's day will come around.

If it is not fixed soon enough, country will be broke!!

$16 Trillion in debt isn't broke already? Who is your financial adviser?

Flip-flop,flip-flop....nose to the wind,.. what do the voters want to hear?????..aaahhh,.they'll believe anything I say....now where did I leave off with my pandering?????....flip-flop.....maybe I should get an etch-a-sketch too???????.........U.S.Army Disabled Veteran..........

I work for one of them, V_erizon. The CEO's are certainly doing OK raking in 49 million last year between 2 people

TrueDat,

You sure got that right! Here's a comment I posted yesterday which the RWNJ's felt compelled to collapse not once but twice... lol

I have asked repeatedly why corporate profits and CEO compensation have been
through the roof while we still have an unemployment rate of over 8%.

So far, no one has been willing to even attempt to answer the question.

With news like this, it's easy to understand why;

America's largest wireless service provider plans to cut 1,700 jobs by offering its technicians and
call center employees buyouts. Verizon Communications announced last week that it would reduce its nationwide workforce by 1 percent, and if enough workers don't accept the buyouts, it will resort to involuntary layoffs.

Verizon paid chief executive Lowell C. McAdam more than $22.5 million in 2011, according to
a Wall Street Journal analysis of executive compensation. The company has paid its top five executives more than $350 million in the last five years, according to the Communications Workers of America, the union that deals most directly with Verizon

At the same time, Verizon has demanded sizable concessions from workers in its negotiations with unions, asking for the elimination of the company's pension plan, increases in health care premiums, and extra leeway to outsource jobs, according to a release from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/04/494469/verizon-layoff-ceo-pay/

Uncertainty my a$$ - nothing but GREED... pure & simple!

Just how much do these greedy bastards need to make them happy?

TLC could do a new show called the "Hoarders of Wall Street"...

*waves to Anna Molly*

Good to see you GF - thought you should know the nut job from NJ has been spreading some of her usual BS, in claiming you ran & hid after the recall results...

Not to worry my dear friend, I set her & conspiracy crap straight!

Is there any level to which they will not stoop?

@TruePatriot: "The president was using a helicopter so as not to tie up traffic in California"....TP I am looking at a photo in the LAEXTRA section of the LA Times partial caption "...President Obama's vehicle in the viewpark neighborhood of Los Angeles..." the King's play at Staples Center in Los Angeles...and on LA station 710 KSPN Mason and Ireland were advising everyone coming to the game to "leave early" because of the President's impending arrival!

Because of the protection needed (potential terrorists in cars or on motorcycles) it is not just the streets he travels on, but adjacent ones as well that are shut down...we all understand that...except for the die hard hockey fans who got to the game late...but hey...had they been listening to Mason and Ireland they would have had a heads up...and if you can't leave work early...take the day off!

So what if they paid $1000 to some scalper for a ticket...it's only the Stanley Cup...and does hockey really matter anyway...it's not like it's our national game!

Seriously, it was insensitive for President Obama to time his fund raising event on the day and hour of a hockey game that was one of the most meaningful to Kings fans in decades...after all...it was only a fund raising event!

Oh well, Bill Clinton (Hillary was my choice) did tie up LA for an hour or so while he had his haircut on Airforce One whie he was President...maybe this mindset just comes with the job!

ItsAboutTime-3704531...(#1.75)..."required employers to demonstrate that any salary differences between men and women doing the same work are not gender-related"

So, what you are saying is....That if any woman even just thinks a little
that a man in the next cubicle is getting paid more than she is, she can force the company to
provide confidential company information on all their other employees ......just
on her hunch....or the wisperings at the watercooler...

Do employers get to factor in that on average it takes a woman longer than her male counterpart to use the restroom....I mean after all, over the course of a year, all that extra time adds up...now who gets paid more....see how rediculous this can get...

We got enough lawsuits already....But the law schools keep
cranking out lawyers and jobs must be created or saved for them....

You think Government should be in every aspect of private enterprise...I don't

I believe that if anyone, male or female agrees to take a position for "X" amount of money....shut up, honor your agreement and go do your job.....

I remember reading not that long ago where women that didn't have any children were upset that women that did have children were allowed to take time off to care for them.....The end result was that the women that didn't have children were given that same time off for tending to their pets, gardens or houseplants....

@feisty redhead,

Thank you so much for helping get the word out about Ver_izon greed, it is appreciated! I really don't know how a CEO can look himself in the mirror in the morning when he makes 23 million dollars a year and sends American jobs overseas and tries to steal the employees pension fund and take away their healthcare. Money kills off all morality , I guess.

truedat-3874449

@feisty redhead,

I hope neither of you use APPLE products ...That Steve Jobs guy had all his stuff made in China....Otherwise that $650.00 I-Pad would cost $1,800.00 with Union Labor....

*Waves* at Feisty -- Missed you, my friend.

Thank you for getting my back. It figures it would be no joe.

What she doesn't know about me is pretty much emblematic of what she doesn't know in general.

For anyone else who cares, I was out of town on business Wednesday, and very busy yesterday and today.

Conservatives should understand that "free enterprise" thing.

As for levels, I believe their limit is the Ninth.

I'm sure you've been coping quite well without me, Feisty. Carry on the good fight.

I'll be around to help whenever I can.

Mike in Delray -

So, what you are saying is....That if any woman even just thinks a little
that a man in the next cubicle is getting paid more than she is, she can force the company to
provide confidential company information on all their other employees ......just
on her hunch....or the wisperings at the watercooler...

Well, no. I don't think that's exactly how it works.

But she's probably right.

By the way, that information is not exactly "confidential." Under Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act, employers cannot stop employees from discussion wages, hours, and conditions of employment or from engaging in concerted activities for mutual aid and benefit. So those "whisperings" around the water cooler are perfectly legitimate conversations.

Don't believe me? Look it up.

Mike in Delray --

I hope neither of you use APPLE products ...That Steve Jobs guy had all his stuff made in China....Otherwise that $650.00 I-Pad would cost $1,800.00 with Union Labor...

Well, maybe. But then, at least, those union workers would have jobs and some money with which to buy those iPads. And they would buy at your car dealership, too, and your grocery store, or your flower shop.

And you, in turn, would also be richer. Get it?

No, you don't, do you?

I hope neither of you use APPLE products

I wouldn't think of purchasing anything from APPLE... so what is your point again?

Money kills off all morality , I guess.

TrueDat,

Too many Gordon Gecko's running around and not enough worker bee's...

It's despicable...

It is absolutely clear that the economy is not doing fine. That's why I had a press conference,

Yep, that will fix it. Have a press conference and everything is fine. Whoop-de-do.

Kenn the Dem -- Gotcha.

Mike in Delray -- Come on. The Fairness in Pay Act still would not remove a lot of discrimination, most notably the glass ceiling and men being promoted more than women, or even the DOE (depending on experience) in which titles and job descriptions have a posted pay range. Also there is no stopping the good old boy favoritism of better accounts in sales, or bonuses, etc.

But it would at least make companies a little more cautious. The most disturbing trend is more and more men going into "pink collar" fields like grade school teaching, nursing, etc. and even in those fields they are paid more. Now a lot of women are bread winners, and this crap affects qualification to buy a home, Social Security contribution/pay out, and standard of living their entire life.

What American believes gender discrimination is what our country is about?

I don't get why rightwingers are waging a War on Women. GOP/TP women in particular. Obviously they have been socialized from birth by religion, the men in their lives, and red state community "group think." It's the Stockholm Syndrome of identifying with your captors (i.e., Patty Hearst). We need to start a deprogramming facility for these rightwing women. We must save them!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL..."I wouldn't think of purchasing anything from APPLE... so what is your point again?""

Cell phone made in the USA ??...The Computer your using ??.....The CFL bulbs I'm certain you have being all environmental and all were either made in China or Mexico....GE's Jeff Immelt made sure of that when he got the incandescent light bulb ban through Congress, closed all the US plants and makes them elsewhere....And all these CEO guys seem to link back to Obama

The President's comments are disturbing for a number of reasons. The only possible explanations are either alarming for their naivete, or downright sinister. Let's look at them:

1. He truly does think that the private sector is doing well. Demonstrates ignorance.
2. He doesn't think the private sector is doing well, but again wants to demonize them by contrasting their ill-gotten gain over the misfortunes of the poor, poor public sector worker. Shows contempt for capitalism.
3. He doesn't care whether the private sector is doing well or not, but wants to insure that support from his public sector union buddies is rock solid. He knows congress will not act on his prodding, but he can point to these statements in November and cry "see, I did all I could, but the Congress wouldn't do what I said". Demonstrates his only objective is re-election.
4. He thinks that public sector jobs are a positive thing, contributing to GDP. They are at best a necessary evil, and are only a drain on the economy. Shows he doesn't understand how wealth is actually created, something not surprising since he never worked (really) in the private sector.
5. He simply misspoke, or was misunderstood. Come on, Mr. President. We may not be an ivy league genius like you, but we can understand plain English. I don't believe that explanation for a second.

I do not like this man, Sam I am. I am truly hoping he is the one unemployed in November. I can't stand Romney, but as a business owner (in the evil private sector) I'd be slitting my own throat to vote for this charlatan again. Yep, I got suckered in '08, just like a lot of other folks. Fool me once...

Anna Molly....If everyone got a raise, the price of everything would go up and you'de be right back where you started.....Were you around for the Wage and Price Controls in the 1970's ???....it solved nothing.

Cell phone made in the USA ??...

On Dear Mikey - please don't slip disc or anything with your twisting.. lol

I could of sworn you asked me about Apple originally!

We don't want you to hurt yourself in the process!

If everyone got a raise

Oh yess... my... oh ... my!

God forbid our corporate masters pay us drones a living wage!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL.....You moan and groan, and bitch and kavetch about the evil corporations and CEO's and the Imaginary 1%-ers....but I'll bet you live quite comfortably with all the creature comforts and maybe then some....but you do skip around most questions posed to you, come back with a little cute quip, like don't slip a disc,....toss a little barb and move on......

Mr. Tom-2709947 -- OMG, thank you for enlightening us. Holy cow, the president is a "sinister" Sneetch without a star on his belly, and must be shunned! If supposed ignorance, contempt, or putting Party before country, or just misspeaking is sinister, then I can't imagine how you would describe the Teapublicans.

Mike in Delray -- If everything was privatized so we no longer had evil government, what would you do if you don't like what an Enron, or Worldcom, or Bain Capital does? Boycott, that's about it? You can't vote them out--we don't elect them. In fact, in Romney's world corporations are people too, and your one vote means sh!t. Do you white middle aged Teabaggers really think things would be better with Big Business running things? Seriously?!

News for you -- Our government is the best there is until someone can come up with something better. So how about you learn civic duty, support democracy, pay your taxes, volunteer and help the needy, and stop with the hatred toward our government?

The GOP/TP, their gain is your pain. Don't reward betrayal. Throw the Teapublicans out.

Mike, don't even bother wasting your time on her. All she knows how to do is fling dung and run. Never heard her make any sort of cogent argument, or post something of intellectual merit. It's just lots of smart-ass drivel and name-calling. Frankly, I don't think she's wired quite right.

You moan and groan, and bitch and kavetch

See, here is the problem for YOU Mikey... instead of believing you can have a battle of the wits with someone who obviously is more armed then your impotent little world.

You would be much better served, marching you happy, ignorant ass down to your local community college and learn the art of "blogging"...

In the meantime, you prove yourself to be a rookie & unqualified to run with the "big dogs".

I have NO patience for rookie's...

Until we meet again & I spank the @!$%# out of you..have a nice weekend!

True, you're quite welcome.

I describe the Teapublicans as something you've made up in your head. To my knowledge, there isn't any party called that.

But assuming you just "misspoke" and meant Republicans, I describe them as the party that is only slightly less objectionable than the Democrats. Both have failed us miserably. But I would rather take a chance on someone with at least some understanding of economics and an affinity for capitalism than a person who somehow believes that a bloated public sector is somehow healthy.

guess he won't need Bills help any more.

All of you brainwashed partisan Brahmin are endlessly amusing. You really can't see the forest fro the trees, can you? What part of ALL dirty, ALL the time, don't you people get? Party is just a means to keep the masses distracted, so they ALL can line their pockets with our money. If you want to see where their loyalties truly lie, check their portfolios. There you will find all the sorted details of their treason. Remember the bonus checks everyone was up in arms about after the bail out? Why don't you check to see who many familiar names are on those boards of directors, and major share holders. You'll be amazed at the even distribution of left and right names. So who was it really collecting those checks?

Perhaps, if you'd been paying attention to "O"'s last state of the union address, you might have caught his call on all members of both houses to end their practice of insider trading. The silence from the left and the main stream media on the subject was deafening. Even the right was mute on the subject.

Did it never occur to any of you political science guru's that all the division and polarization is by design? No? The indoctrination is that complete is it? You can't think independently anymore without party line non sense? That is sad.

I've been watching the political crime drama sense JFK and his illegitimate replacement LBJ and as the procession of El Presidenta's has continued the corruption and lying has escalated 100 fold. The current one is either quite skillful in the art of disinformation and misdirection or he is completely overwhelmed by the job. He has done nothing he promised, (what a surprise), and everything he said would not happen or continue, has. Point fingers all you like the fact remains, He has been a lame duck nearly from the moment he took the oath of office.

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Mike, Mr. Tom, et al --

Take the US Postal Service, which is non-profit and completely funded by the sale of postage. This in turn creates competition for UPS, FedEx, etc. Imagine if we could do this with health care and having Medicare for all, getting rid of insurance middle men, driving down the cost of pharmaceutics, etc. Definitely health care provision should be non-profit (meaning no profit beyond overhead), because profiting from the sick is immoral.

If people are paid more, they can spend more, which means companies can hire more, etc. This is why things were so much better during Clinton than in the Lost Decade (2001-2011), or more to the point why everyone did better when unions were prevalent. If the minimum wage was increased to a living wage (within reason--not summer jobs for kids, or seasonal agriculture, etc.), then one ruthless company could not undercut their competition, and everyone would do better including business and the rich.

Why does the rightwing embrace the Race to the Bottom BS? Look at the huge profits companies are raking in, and the huge disparity of pay going to the CEO's and shareholders? Then look at the Germans with three months vacation, and Canadians with health care for all, and then look at the wage stagnation in the US, the ever decreasing benefits like pensions, and you can see this started when unions went away.

Why do you aspire to be like people in third-world countries? Instead of a Race to the Bottom, why not a tide that lifts all boats? There's plenty of money, there's just no more profit sharing or loyalty to employees in the US anymore. Instead of attacking what other countries or union workers have, ask why not me too?

True:

I assume that you find something inherently wrong with being a "white middle-aged Teabagger". Please elucidate. Though I am not a "Teabagger", I fit nicely into the other two categories and I'd like to know what's wrong with me, I've wondered about that for a long time. After all, I "support democracy, pay (my) taxes, volunteer and help the needy". Not only that, I supply good-paying jobs to my employees, help them with their school, provide them with healthcare, 401k, and advise them on financial and even personal matters when asked to do so. So do please tell me where I'm going wrong.

Incidentally, I don't think Big Business should be running everything. I find large companies to be generally callous and mercenary. But I do believe government should be minimized whenever possible. It is inefficient, ineffective, and not customer-oriented.

Well, I said in a previous post that the Prez better get a new campaign speech that had some truth in it since the ones he was spouting were tanking. So he did say something true, and then goes on to yet again support the Public sector (Union) jobs, still having no clue that this is not what the US REALLY needs. Funny thing?.....I don't know any Teacher, Cop, or Firefighter that either lost his job, or needs a job, but I know TONS of folks who worked in the Private sector and would LOVE to have a job.

The drop off in public employment has been a drag on the overall employment picture; the economy added just 69,000 jobs last month, a number that was so low, in part, because of anemic public sector hiring.

We need anemic public sector hiring and aggressive private sector hiring, but we also need a demand for our products, and more so a return of products that have left the country. Nothing has been done to fix that, and I can say with certainty, will not happen as long as Obama is in office.

I think Obama's statement this morning was a more truthful representation of his actual opinion than the politically calculated backtrack he gave this afternoon after he realized it was a dumb thing to say and needed to do damage control. It does appear he's just interested in lining the pockets of his government special interest cronies, rather than getting the economy working again for everyone.

True:

I know you mean well, and you don't seem to be too mean-spirited, unlike a lot of your liberal compatriots, so here's my rebuttal.

First, I don't think using the USPS as a shining example is a good idea. They aren't competition for UPS, FedEx, etc. They're sort of minor-league these days. But to address your point on health care, yes, it sounds like a good idea, and in an altruistic world it would work. But sadly we do not live in such a world. All human beings seek a reward for work. As individuals, we call it a paycheck, and in business we call it profit. Whether it is moral or not, profit is a motivating force, and without it there is little or incentive to take risk or invest effort. I agree that it is sad we must use profit to motivate us to help the sick, but that's just the way it is. Ultimately, there must be a quid pro quo for anyone to do anything, and in the case of the healthcare profession, that comes in the form of monetary reward. Yes, by taking profits out of Big Pharma, you'd make drugs a lot cheaper. But how many drugs would go undiscovered if not for the promise of profit at some later date?

Regarding your argument about minimum wage, I think you're putting the cart before the horse. We do not need to legislate a living wage. If people were better educated and trained, competition by companies for good people would necessarily drive wages up. Scarcity of resources, and whatnot. As an example, I hire directly from a local trades high school, and I would never think of paying even my co-ops minimum wage because they're worth much more than that to me as an investment for my company, and I don't want them going to work for someone else. Am I ultimately motivated by profit? Absolutely. But my slight amount of greed keeps me motivated to grow my little enterprise and give even more people jobs. You know, capitalism.

I agree that CEO pay is obscene. I don't know what to do about it. That group of people is virtually untouchable. They live in rarified air and travel in circles of people we can never have access to. They're our aristocracy, and it's ultimately unhealthy.

I disagree that lack of unions has degraded the working person's condition. I have worked in exactly two union shops in my life, and exactly two of them are now out of business. So now NONE of those people have jobs because the union would not bend enough for the companies to stay afloat. To me unions don't sound like such a good deal. The point is this; have good skills, be a good employee, and a good (non-union) company will hire you. They're out there. Lots of them.

Despair not. There is a rising tide coming for us anyway, despite our internal bickering. Manufacturing is making a comeback, and it is both my hope and belief that it will pave the way for a new/old economy here in the good old USA. One built on the actual creation of wealth, and not the false gods of profit by moneychanging, speculation/gambling, and predatory lending (AKA Wall Street).

Enough of your carping! There is progress:

...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 = 8149

DJIA Jun 8, 2012 = 12,554

Dec 29, 2008 U.S. corporate earnings probably fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

Or did you all forget about Bush? You remember George W. Bush, don't you? The man who ran on the same exact same platform that Mitt Romney is running on right now!

"To restore confidence in government, [George W. Bush] will...attack pork-barrel spending."

"As President, Governor Bush will pay the debt down to a historically low level."

"The Social Security surplus must be locked away only for Social Security."

Lies, all lies! But now, I should believe Romney, the man who hired all of Bush's economic advisors, the man who proclaimed that a good vice presidential candidate would be Dick Cheney and the man who promises to do exactly what George W. Bush promised to do... and didn't! Why in the hell should I believe this man?

No matter what you say, things are better than they were when Bush left office - RAN like a scared little child from the recession he created! You people got a real problem if you think Romney is going to do any better than Obama!

re: "The current one... is completely overwhelmed by the job. He has done nothing he promised, (what a surprise)"

The first medical insurance reform of any significance, 16 top al Qaeda, 2 million new jobs, alternative energy funding, new oil and nuclear permits, DADT, closing Guantanamo (I dont' want to hear it, he did his part...he's president, not King)...plus actual handling Deepwater Horizon, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Israel and Iran etc. Meanwhile I don't remember any of the idiocies of the previous administration. I realize we're dealing with "motivated reasoning" here...but those are the facts you need to ignore somehow.

I need to add something...when one considers the rapidly compounding problems of environmental pollution, poor quality and variety of food, genetic engineering (of food), climate change plus a completely wrong-headed sense of what an economy should be about (how does eternal growth make any sense at all?)...we just don't have time to keep allowing Limbaugh/Fox/homeschooling Bible crunchers to wag the dog. Whatever it takes...we have at most 10 years to set a new course.

The LIBERALS say Wisconsin wasn't a true picture of the future of its voting because a poll told them so . The polls also said it would be a tight race !!! This and all the other loses shows a beat down is coming in November for OBAMA !!!! Vote Republican !!!!

@ EEngineer - those jobs losses at the end of the Bush Presidency was not his fault. As soon as it was clear, we would have an anti-business President, business began to hunker down and protect themselves as they knew what was coming. Look back at the time right before Clinton came into Office, the same thing happened then too.

...those jobs losses at the end of the Bush Presidency was not his fault.

I do not agree. Those job losses at the end of his presidency were exactly and precisely the fault of George W. Bush. Research it - start with the American Dream Act, where he reduced Fannie/Freddie and FHA loan downpayments to 3%. Then look at the massive $440B he instructed GSE's to invest in the secondary loan market, you know, buying risky home loans from the private loan market so private lenders didn't have to worry about writing risky loans anymore. Then research Bush's interference with any state or local actions to reign in risky lending practices - key phrase to search on here is "preemption".

When you are all done, it will be real obvious that George W. Bush caused the home mortgage crisis, trashed the American economy and did it with the help of Republican majorities in both houses of Congress.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

"You would be much better served, marching you happy, ignorant ass down to your local community college and learn the art of "blogging"...

"In the meantime, you prove yourself to be a rookie & unqualified to run with the "big dogs".

"I have NO patience for rookie's..."

So now you are bragging about being a "professional blogger?" A "big dog?" Is this the extent of your life?

EEngineer - you are blaming Democratic created plans on Bush. Bush wanted to reign Freddie and Fanny in because all the intelligent people knew they were playing a dangerous, but folks like Barney Frank said otherwise and the Democrats won because they had Congress at that time. Now we are back to the banking rules of the 1980's for the most part and all the people who weren't around then are freaking out. Me, being old enough to have lived this before, not so much. There is nothing wrong with having criteria to secure a loan or mortgage. (So that they are much more likely to be able to pay the money back.) Common sense sucks, doesn't it......too bad Liberal have yet to figure this out.

It would be nice if the teacons in Congress would stop Sabotaging this Nation for political gain.

"If I don't have the deficit cut in half in 4 years, I'll resign." ~ Obama

willowbrook -- Holy cow, and even more crazy is people voted for that.

The Lost Decade and Great Recession (2001-2011) correlates with the GOP/Bush-era policies of tax cuts for the rich, unpaid wars, and deregulation -- not to mention jobs barely kept pace with population growth during the Bush administration. But we are still suffering from the Bush tax cuts for the rich, we still are not protected from Too Big To Fail, and are still paying for the debt/deficits created from long, unnecessary wars.

The day you rightwingers admit that voodoo economics don't work, and then vote for representatives who will actually govern, is the day this great nation can move FORWARD again.

tunanut -- That is a lie, you are misquoting. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6D8

In his own words.

Some of my other favorites

“I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.
"I will bring ALL of our troops home within ONE year."
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration."
"I'll close Guantanamo."
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years."
"I'll unite the people of this great country."

F---- Redhead

Apple's stock is sure to soar now that you are criticizing them !

Congrats on your efforts to take Scott Walker down, it was a smashing success !

I hope you have as much success with the "Hack Attack" that your trying on Romney.

The President said that if he could not fix the economy in three years that he does not deserve a second term. Well the President is admitting that he has not fixed the economy and therefore by his own words he does not deserve a second term. If the President is true to his word than he should announce that his is no longer running for reelection. The President needs to abide by his own commitments.

lolllllllllllllll

No work this afternoon Spanky?

Gee...business in SD is greeeeaaaaaat...isn't it...

Sure it is.

What was the script on the teleprompter? Or did the White House run a poll to change their mind on what they just said?

Thats it Mickey....... thats all you got? I figured Mickey from NY would have more than that. Spankys tossing softballs at you....lol!

Hey Spanky -

Off subject, but did you see where your favotite AG testified about internal Justice Department e-mails such as ....

“Do you think we should have Lanny participate in press when Fast and Furious and Laura’s Tucson case [Wide Receiver] are unsealed? It’s a tricky case, given the number of guns that have walked, but it is a significant set of prosecutions.”

testified that the words "Fast and Furious" and "the number of guns that have walked" don't refer to Operation Fast and Furious / gun walking?

These guys are simply priceless.

Top o' the day Mickey.

Actually at a board meeting all day today and tomorrow.

Boring as hell, but good money and corporate headquarters on bluff in Monterey Bay.

Bob - that was teh best testimony since Clintons - definition of is.

Classic libbie fail.

Holder is toast.

Bill Clinton - "The Bush tax cuts are good. No, wait, they're bad. I'm confused, which Bush are we talking about again?"

Oh come on Mickey, come back. Amuse me, I'm bored.

Spanky-

I am always amused reading your comments. You are very good at pointing the finger of blame at Obama. However, you seem to ignore the contributions the GOP has made to our growing economy. Oh wait, that's right, they haven't made ANY.

Stop whining and complaining. If you think you can do a better job, by all means, tell us exactly in detail what you would do.

You sound ridiculously stupid and ignorant. We will not go into the number of times Romney has had to walk statements back. Obama really just clarified his statement for the obtuse who could not understand what he was saying about private sector jobs. It is no secret that the majority of jobs created this year were created by the private sector. It is so troublesome that there are so many obtuse and uninformed people who post comments on this site.

Easy, peasy, fresh and easy - all I need to do is vote for Romney.

By Obama.

Come on ItsAbout - even Clinton knows he's terrible and taxes need to be low.

Spanky-

Oh, but I am interested in YOUR plan. I am sure you can please 300+ Million American's, get Congress to agree w/you every step of the way, and usher in a whole new era of economic prosperity. :)

Stop whining and complaining, its getting rather.... old.

ItsAboutTime - Spanky, like Romney, doesn't have a clue. Great that you called him out on it!

Obama/Biden 2012

Ta DA...the amazing shrinking Obama...this has been a bad six weeks, and he's only making it worse...thank you Mr Obama...I wonder if the White House will not declare that Obama is now dead to us, like they did to the mayor of Newark...

TJM - IT'S President Obama. You're a dolt!

You mean like President Bush...I respect the office, the man needs to earn the respect.

SeekingSanity

Thanks...whining and complaining makes someone lose all credibility. We all know that President Obama and the Dems has not done everything right... but neither has the good bye old party either.

Oh come on you silly, silly libbies - all we need to do is open the outer bank and scale the EPA way back.

Might be nice to let them start drilling in Cali, both on and off shore. That alone, given our vast resources would cause an immediate price reduction on the futures market.

You know just do the exact opposite of President "your electricity will necessarily skyrocket."

And come on, it's Friday, and although I have to work most of the day tomorrow - it really is fantastic weather. Plus I'll be dropping back through Paso Robles. They have some great wineries there. Sunday is gonna be good.

TJMO7 - President Obama has earned it far more than President Bush. If you think Dubya earned it you have no clue - about anything! Pathetic!

Spanky - from your posts I'd say you've already been hitting the bottle!

So let's look at our great Community Organizer In Chief's week:

1) Monday - Six fundraisers ALL AROUND Wisconsin, but can't find time to "put on some comfortable shoes" to help support the Public Sector Union workers in the Recall Election

2) Tuesday - Instead of showing up in Wisconsin to support the Democrats the Union Fat Cats, he simply types out a tweet from the White House, to busy to even call anyone. The Tweet was probably sent out by a staffer as an after thought.

3) Wednesday - ANOTHER fundraiser in Hollywood, where he tries to drop a joke about his wife "going all the way down" with the lesbian Ellen DeGeneres. After plenty of yuck yuks form the attendees, the media handlers move heaven and earth to "spike" the story. Hmmmm, I wonder if that's why Michelle went to Spain on Barry's birthday in 2010.

4) Thursady - Chris Rock says that Obama is a Zebra because he's half white and half black but we "ignore Obama’s whiteness." How nice of Mr. Rock. I suppose MSNBC will start calling Obama our first African White President, just like they've invented a new title for George Zimmerman, Hispanic White.

5) Friday - Obama calls a Press Conference, not to announce some new impressive Government program to address the Nation's economic woes. No, this nutcase tells us the "private sector is doing just fine" and that we need to borrow more money, or raise taxes, so we can hire MORE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

I'm hopping Obama louses in a landside, but with more weeks like this, maybe we need a "mercy rule" and just call the election.

NOBAMA 2012!

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John-2006106

and where was Romney? I don't recall he went to Wisconsin at all now did he... Oh and didn't Romney just announce that he raised more cash than Obama did? Oh but wait wait wait, since this is Obama, its wrong, but if its Romney its right.... Oh I think President Bush did the same things here in 2004 minus the recall election right....

Shakes head.. Amazes me how people "IGNORE" all the facts but are very good at whining/complaining.

I suspect he's sitting back thinking - man this guy is killing himself.

It's called staying off the radar. Let O implode all by himself.

With a little help from his friends - Booker and Clinton. And just who will be next?

I'll guess Biden.

John,

Shhh.....you can be a White or by golly a Black Hispanic, or didn't you know that race and ethnicity are NOT the same?

This is a stated "fact" not some invention by MSNBC. I take it you never filled out a US census form or filled out a job application, lately have you? Once again this great country is falling behind in knowing the difference between an "invention" or "untruth" and facts.

Mike in Delray

No Mike. Government doesn't need to be involved in every aspect of our lives or businesses. However, This is 2012. We do not treat women like second class citizens when it comes to pay. They do the same job as a male and perform at the same level, BOTH Sexes are entitled to the same pay. Why is that so hard for the GOP supporters to understand.

Another warm and fuzzy feel good moment taken away again.

Doesn't Obama know he is NOT supposed to address the people without a teleprompter?!?!? I never thought I would say this but there now actually IS a president more incompetent than Jimmy Carter!! Congratulations Obama for assuming the role as the WORST president of all time!! We knew Obama was incompetent and doesn't know about how an economy works but Obama makes Jimmy Carter now look like an economic GENIUS!!

I actually think this comment that the private sector is "Fine" is the last straw. The Dems have been scrambling now for about 2 months trying to find SOMETHING they could use for negative ads (since Obama can't run on his own record) whether it is that Republicans "doesn't like women" or "Bain Capital" but nothing is working. But NOW the president says the private sector is "fine"? How can Obama now say he can FIX the economy when he stated this tragic and awful economy is "fine"? I think you can poke him with a fork and realize he is now "done". I don't see anyway he can turn around his obvious incompetence now........

End of an Error 1-20-2013

Bushes in their passion/greed did dirty jobs for Saudis and oil companies.

They gave Iraqi wars; manipulated oil prices quite high; and made Saudis and co richer.

In US, British and many European nations, people have become poorer, jobless and without much health cares for the sick and elderly.

Reduce the oil prices for a start. Remove sanctions on Iranian oil.

We have no business in Syria and Iran. Let the Shiites and Sunnis handle their battles. It is not our jobs to do dirty jobs of Saudis.

It's about time Barry calls John Kerry to find out how to overcome a 'swift boat' comment! Not sure he'll like the answer...........

"It is absolutely clear that the economy is not doing fine.

So what was it that made it so "absolutely clear" just a couple of hours later? How did the economy go down the $h!tter in a couple of hours?

Amazing how an opposing view clears up a little confusion.

Let me guess - Bush wrote the speech and jacked up the teleprompter.

ItsAboutTime (Post 2.22)

and where was Romney? I don't recall he went to Wisconsin at all now did he...

Where was Romney? Gosh, I don't recall Romney pledging that "when I'm in the White House, I'll put on a pair of comfortable shoes myself, I'll work on that picket line with you as President of the United States." (NOT)

Maybe Obama left his comfortable shoes in Hollywood and just didn't have time to make it to Wisconsin, I mean he had SIX FUNDRAISERS in the surrounding states, one of them just 30 miles from Wisconsin. If Romney had said he would stand with someone, then didn't, he would deserve criticism, but it was OBAMA who made that pledge, then simply cowered in the White House, feebly typing out a last minute pathetic Tweet. Here, you can hear Obama's own pledge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VWIuNmY93E

I can see defending someone over matters of opinion or principle, but to deny the truth like this is simply hypocritical and vapid thinking. Surely you're not as insane as Fiesty, the DNC staff writer pretending to be an average citizen.

NOBAMA 2012!

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I watched President Obama "clarify" his remark, more political speak! All he had to do was say "I misspoke", short and sweet to the point! But it seems his ego wouldn't allow him to even consider he may have made a mistake, and his clarification was just another politician doing a lot of talking without actually saying anything!

He is so used to lying and having it accepted by his admirers that he wasn't prepared when this lie was such a big one that even the press corps called him on it.

John-2006106

Where was Romney? Gosh, I don't recall Romney pledging that "when I'm in the White House, I'll put on a pair of comfortable shoes myself, I'll work on that picket line with you as President of the United States." (NOT)

Once again, where was Romney? I already know where Obama was, but where was Romney? Why is it so hard for the GOP to answer the question. Or is it simply because, you have a double standard where the Dems/Obama are concerned.

I also find it amusing that it's WRONG for Obama to campaign for re-election, but it was okay when Former President Bush did it right...... Definitely a DOUBLE standard from the GOP.

Obama/Biden 2012.

Linda in Texas-469280

Hmmmm... Sounds like you are describing Rick Perry.

I already know where Obama was, but where was Romney?

What difference does it make where Romney was? It was obama who stepped on his own manhood. Would the bummer not have F'd up if you had known the whereabouts of Romney?

Tell Congress get this bill going: "Democrats, Secretary LaHood Call on House Republicans To Pass Senate Jobs Bill" Infrastructure, Highways, rebuild our Roads and Bridges which are falling apart, across the country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRINX7oIklU

This could put over a million people back to work.

This may be off subject, but I just gotta say: Spanky is at a "bored" meeting? Gazing out at Monterey Bay? Posting on Newsvine? Obviously paying close attention on behalf of the shareholders, in between posts? May be just another thing that is wrong with corporate America? As a shareholder in several public utility companies, I have to say that there is no way that I can vet the candidates for board membership just based on the cv's sent around with the ballots. So, as far as I know, cronyism at its worst. Who do I have to know/be related to, to get a seat at the table?

One on jobs:

"Democrats, Secretary LaHood Call on House Republicans To Pass Senate Jobs Bill"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRINX7oIklU

over a million construction jobs could be created, but House Republicans Voted against it.

Hahaha, what's funny is how in an attempt to pounce (or in the case of Romney the bully, to mock) what the president said, the Teapublicans admitted that the middle class and working poor DO need good paying jobs. Now we just need to get them to admit to blocking recovery, and why they won't pass the Jobs Act. Boehner, McConnell, where are the JOBS you promised, where?!

the thinker-318752 -- The stock market, corporations, and CEOs in the private sector ARE doing fine, are they not? Romney, who only cares about the 1% is playing YOU for a fool.

Obama, in creating "class warfare" of "taxing the wealthy", fails to state, the Federal Government could tax all the wealth from the "wealthy" and still not balance the Federal Budget!

Government has grown too big, too many politicians have promised too much to get elected and too many are dependent on living off of "big brother"!

Cut, Cap, Balance! Including the Military Industrial Complex!

American certified voter and taxpayer:

• "It is absolutely clear that this Administration does not know what it is doing."

And just think, the #2 in charge....Mr. Biden....thinks that plants can grow without soil, water, or sun. I am still trying to figure out what Mr. Biden meant by "Senior Spots".

Sheeesh, no wonder America has been going down the tubes these past 3 1/2 years.

Wait a minute....this is just an indication that Mr. Obama will announce Mrs. Clinton as his running mate during the Democratic National Convention. Yep, throw Mr. Biden under the ObamaWagon like the rest of his voter base.

The TeaCons in Congress are deliberately Sabotaging our Country for their greedy political gain at all cost, they will Bankrupt this Nation. This is the worse Congress this Nation has ever had !!!!!!

Patriotic: But if the "Teacons" are deliberately sabotaging our country then how come "the private sector economy is doing fine"?!?!

Try to stay on topic. Liberals bouncing around trying to deflect the incompetence of this president is hilarious:)!!

I don't believe sharing much of the blame on the Bush administration for this massive recession/depression is "bouncing around topics" Bush's failed domestic policy while he was consumed with two worthless wars for nearly a decade, put us in this position, and this economy might come back by 2014, IF.... IF, the global economies do not sink into collapse. The fact is, the Tea Party hopefuls who came in 2010 to congress, stifled progress to a screeching halt, even your majority leader in the house, was pulling his hair out with their over simplified approach to government spending, and were all sitting here paying for the stale mate.

President Obama has been traveling the globe repairing our relationships with our allies, he flew to Afghanistan to negotiate the wind down of Bush's War, he personally authorizes the execution of al Qaida operatives, including Bin Laden, he meets with European leaders to coordinate a response to Syria, Libya and Egypt, he grapples with an uncooperative Congress, and he still manages to inspire school children to reach for their dreams.

What have you done lately?

He's just the bee's knees, right Amy?

He drives us deeper into debt, proposes budgets no one (not even in his own party) will vote for, raises the debt limit after saying it was poor leadership to do so, keeps gitmo open (even has it upgraded) after saying he'll close it, extends tax cuts he campaigns on repealing, starts aggression towards Libya without congressional approval, breaks his promises on the patriot act...

TexasT-2966501

and yet, he is still doing better than Perry.

Okay all you Right Wing Nut Jobs out there:

Do any of you believe Willard knows how much a loaf of bread costs at the grocery store? (Me neither...THAT is out of touch! DUH.)

Spanky... you are always going on about the price of a gallon of gas at the pump - at least you were until the President came down on the speculators and the price began diminishing ---- but do YOU think Mittens has any idea how much it is?

You idiots are rather amusing with your non-troversies and attempts to create anti-American President talking points and issues, but all you are doing is proving to the world that teapublicans simply can not prioritize properly and do not understand what is truly important and which items not so much.

I would ROTFL if you all weren't so sad!

Then, you buy a "win" in Wisconsin which does what? Harms labor & unions - "You don't need any raise, just keep working and earning ME more dollars, peons - you can't compel me [wealthy, big corps] to provide for you any more, so slave away; I want MORE PROFIT from your labors!"

Talk about class warfare.

GOP/TEA is the epitome!

Now lets hear your spin, whining and excuses/justifications RNC-Romney supporters.

HAHAHAHA!

Obama came doen on someone?

Huh, I just paid $4.23 per gallon in Paso Robles yesterday.

Bee's Knees hi is.

Spanky-

How should the price of gas come down then. Let's hear what your plan is??? :) come on, we are all ears.

Not keeping up on things there Spank.

Not good.

Information is power you know - or at least some have tried to tell me that.

Bee's Knees hi is.

...the llama's pajamas fer sure...

Stupid? Gas still well over $4.00 here in the progressive paradise that is Cai.

We get EPA required 'summer blend.'

We are so lucky.

Huh, I just paid $4.23 per gallon in Paso Robles yesterday.

Spanky -

I just payed $3.59 in Phoenix. Down about .50 cents in the last couple of months. If they aren't dropping in your area, it sounds like a local issue, not Obama's. Not that it ever was an Obama issue in the first place...

Amy portland, With all the leaks coming out of the WH, No nation is gonna listen to this betrayer-in-chief anymore...

wastelandpast - EVERY nation listens to this President - unlike Bush who every nation tuned out.

Obama/Biden 2012 because the GOP is to stupid to lead anyone!

Pardon me waste but the leaks you complain about did not come from the WH as you mistakenly posted.

Please attempt to get your facts straight and post the truth if at all possible in the future.

Thanks.

What is that? You are one of those RWNJ's so it is impossible for you to post truth?

Though so.

Seeking Sanity...are you for real...every nation listens to Obama...come on, not even you believe that...just look at Iran and Pakistan, North Korea, Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, France, Spain, Greece, Mexico, China, Russia...you know, maybe it will be easier if you just tell us which nations you think actually listen to Obama...it will be a shorter list.

TJM:

The point is that the nations of the world DO listen to USA much more now then ten yrs. ago.

The countries you listed certainly give President Obama more consideration because he as proven to them that he speaks softly but carries a big stick; that he is fair but strong; that he is a man of his word who deals more in truth and thus would never swear that one of them had WMD's pointed at us unless they did, in fact, have WMD's pointed at us, then he would proceed to rectifiy the problem....

Spanky-

Wow, and so I guess its President Obama's fault on the price of a gallon of gas in California right...... shakes head. Even President Bush confirmed he could do nothing about the price of gas..

You me President "your energy costs will skyrocket."

It really is the on thing he got right.

And I know you saw the mega auction prices? Next year is going to be really really bad.

Oh and ITSABOUT - I also seem to recall a Obama ad were he was in a gas station, blaming bush for gas prices.

Now why would he do that if what you say is true?

Wait, are you smarter than Obama - the smartest man in the world?

Spanky-

He did blame Obama for Gas Prices. Perhaps when he got in the White House, he also realized he couldn't change the price too right? But its only wrong if Obama does it and not Bush right.... Whining/Complaining, and stupidity is no way to go through life son.

The only way gas prices will come down in this country is to get the "Oil Corporations" to come on board with a true energy plan. Stop letting wall street speculators and media HYPE drive up the costs. Start using more fuel efficient cars instead of gas guzzlers. Identify and use other energy sources etc.

And I am obviously the best typist in the world.

Or maybe worst multi-tasker.

I meant 'You Mean President "skyrocketing energy prices" and Mega Watt auction prices.

Damn those waves, they just keep crashing in and the CFO drones on and on...

No the pres can control to a large degree, mostly through perception.

If we really do go all in, as a national policy, the prices will fall.

It's all about supply and demand.

Dude - fuel sipping cars suck ass. Small, gutless tin traps.

Oh and what % of the world's oil do you think American companies control?

Spanky-

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/02/08/421061/big-oil-higher-prices-record-profits-less-oil/

Enjoy :) I think that says it all right.

TJM07 - get real. President Obama has re-established our reputation in the world. We are now respected once again. If you knew anything, you'd know that. And, the countries you list have a great deal of respect for this President - as do other countries.

When you make up lies like you do - you just look more foolish!

1. Uh, yeah - THinkProgress?

Nope, just not a credible source.

I think they might be a tad biased.

By the way - we all know who makes the most profit per gallon, and it ain't the oil companies.

Sanity - I know it was not intended, but that was funny.

Spanky,

If you looked up from your computer once in a while and read the paper or listened to talk radio, you'd just may learn something. While everyone else in the country may see lower gas prices, we will not. It's not the POTUS fault that our refinery's are not producing and are currently down for maintenance. No refining, no gas. But then again, you want to blame everyone else for your ills than take some responsibility.

you want to blame everyone else for your ills than take some responsibility

Not everyone else, CR:

Just President Obama.

All the problems known in this world are caused by him - a RWNJ's worst nightmare: a black man in the White House.... heads exploding!

They just can't stand it!

Spanky-

See the funny thing Spanky.. if you don't like my source, then post one of your own. Simple right??:-).

The LIBERALS say that Wisconsin polls show that OBAMA will get re-elected in November, just like the polls showed c close race for the Governor !!! Obama is toast in November, VOTE REPUBLICAN !!!

Right on Johnny N.

I found it funny this week, how the left still feels Obama has WI in his pocket. "Look at the polls", they say. Yeah, the same polls that MISSED the re-call election big time.

Starting to get desperate for Obama. The next 5 mos will be interesting.

Attention Liberals who are always saying Obama is "moderate"...or that's he's not Socialist in his beliefs. Uh, this type of blunder/back peddle is what we're talking about. Not the act itself but Obama's beliefs.

It would be one thing to simply say something as completely ignorant or factually wrong as Obama did. It's another to try and make us feel like lack of hiring in the "Public Sector" is one of the problems with the economy. Give me a break.

In that case, Obama should focus on economy instead of Syria and Iran.

Remove sanctions on Iranian oil and reduce oil prices.

Here Hillarys and others dramas on Syria and Iran won't help and they don't get jobs for the unemployed.

President Obama has re-established our reputation in the world. We are now respected once again.

@SeekingSanity, your statement is HIGHLY debatable at best.

It's about time, oh yes, "record profits" vs price/barrel vs pump prices. LOL I see PT barnum was right "there is a sucker born every minute" and you're it.

To bad think progress likes to imply things that have little meaning. If your op-ed think progress wanted to be really honest they would have posted their revenues as a % of after tax expenses. Then again, a profit margin of 5-6% just doesn't have the same impact as saying record profits.

Raider...

FR libs take great comfort in blasting any comments or gaffs made by GOP politicians, but watch out if obama shows us what he is made of. Come october, I might have to listen to the campaign ads. Should be humorous this go around.

Johnny N.

The LIBERALS say that Wisconsin polls show that OBAMA will get re-elected in November, just like the polls showed c close race for the Governor !!! Obama is toast in November, VOTE REPUBLICAN !!!

Sure vote Republican IF:

“Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.”

Harry S Truman

Attention johnathon, raider, american & the rest of you blabbering RNC-TEA imbeciles.

Please learn to read and to get facts before jumping on the TEA/GOP bandwagon of non-issues:

Today, Mitt Romney launched a shameless attack on the President, taking part of a statement he had made earlier about getting our economy back on track, and twisting it completely out of context.

Here are the straight facts: The President urged Congress to pass his jobs plan, noting that much of the job creation we've seen has been in the private sector. Remember, this is the guy who came into office in the midst of an economic crisis and helped turn it around to an economy that has seen 27 months of private sector jobs growth in a row, with 4.3 million jobs. The President said that while we still have more work to do in the private sector, it's doing fine compared to the public sector.

Here's what Romney turned that into: He acted as if the President said the economy is doing fine. That's right -- the man who said he likes to be able to fire people called our president out of touch, and then went on to criticize President Obama's jobs plan: "He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message from Wisconsin? ... It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." Apparently, Mitt Romney has decided we need fewer jobs for middle-class Americans, not more.

President Obama makes A LOT more sense and obviously is much more intelligent than Mittens Romney AND all you RWNJ's---

STOP DISSING AMERICA! Cease trying to do harm to my country! Quit supporting and celebrating failures of this nation!

Try putting on your big girl panties and your stars and stripes flag ties, and GET BEHIND AMERICA and her President so we can continue to move forward!!!!

The narrator in the ad Crossroads GPS is launching solemnly intones: “In 2008, Barack Obama said, ‘We can’t mortgage our children’s future on a mountain of debt.’ Now he’s adding $4 billion in debt every day, borrowing from China for his spending. Every second, growing our debt faster than our economy,” he continues. “Tell Obama, stop the spending.”

This is a baldface lie, by the way.

President Obama isn’t adding to the debt every day. The debt is growing because of obligations entered into long ago, many under George W. Bush – including two giant tax cuts that went mostly to the very wealthy that were supposed to be temporary and which are still going, courtesy of Republican blackmail over raising the debt limit.

In reality, government spending as a portion of GDP keeps dropping.

As I said, I don’t know who’s financing this big lie ("...Obama's adding $4 billion in debt every day") but there’s good reason to think it’s some combination of Wall Street, big corporations, and the billionaire Koch brothers.

According to the reliable inside-Washington source “Politico,” the Koch brothers’ network alone will be spending $400 million over the next six months trying to defeat Obama, which is more than Senator John McCain spent on his entire 2008 campaign.

Big corporations and Wall Street are also secretly funneling big bucks into front groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that will use the money to air anti-Obama ads, while keeping secret the identities of these firms.

Looking at the all the anti-Obama super PACs and political fronts like Crossroads GPS, Politico estimates the anti-Obama forces (including the Romney campaign) will outspend Obama and pro-Obama groups by 2 to 1.

How can it be that big corporations and billionaires will be spending unlimited amounts on big lies like this one, without any accountability because no one will know where the money is coming from?

I fear that at least since 2010 we’ve been witnessing a quiet, slow-motion coup d’etat whose purpose is to repeal every bit of progressive legislation since the New Deal and entrench the privileged positions of the wealthy and powerful — who haven’t been as wealthy or as powerful since the Gilded Age of the late 19th century.

Its technique is to inundate America with a few big lies, told over and over (the debt is Obama’s fault and it’s out of control; corporations and the very rich are the “job creators” that need tax cuts; government is the enemy, and its regulations are strangling the private sector; unions are bad; and so on), ...and tell them so often they’re taken as fact.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/9622-the-big-lie-coup-detat

rradkido, let's say for the sake of argument that Obama inherited a big mess. Why isn't the country back on track? He, and his democrat cronies, had the first two years to make it all better and the repubs couldn't do anything about it. Did they do away with the tax credits? No and they are still debating them. Congress could have stopped any and all subsidies to people like the oil companies, but they didn't. They could have raised taxes on the rich, but they didn't.

Obama promised to close Gitmo, he even signed something saying it would be closed in a year, but its still going strong. His health care plan was so popular he needed to exempt 5 states, including Harry Reid's state of Nevada, to get it passed and we still don't know all of the details and its been 2 years since it was signed into law. Obama likes to talk big about Iraq and how he got us out of there but if you read the record there were negotiations for the US to stay but the US and Iraq couldn't agree on some status of forces issues so we left. Obama also railed on Bush about Afghanistan, but he built up forces and stepped up attacks I agree wuth this one though).

You complain about money coming in for Repubs but what about the money for the dems? They raised more than the repubs. There are the dem SuperPACs and they have backing from people like Soros. The debate can be made that the media, and Hollywood, favors Obama.

You complain about things said about Obama's gov't but remember the gov't only spends money, it does not make it, except for the printing. No matter how much money is saved there is no money earned so who do we need to support when it comes to getting money--business. Big or small, these need support. Doesn't mean they get to run wild but they do need gov't to step aside and let them do what thye do best and make money, hire people and those people pay taxes. If the gov't wants to help then raise import tariffs to make it more economical to make a product in the US, reduce taxes for companies who hire from the welfare rolls, give tax incentives for new businesses and probably a myriad of other things other than raise the taxes on a business because it looks good politically.

btldriver

rradkido, let's say for the sake of argument that Obama inherited a big mess.

Oh, no, btl:

Instead lets go with the tea/gop history re-write and tell voters that everything, especially the economy, was rosy when we had Dumbya/Cheney in the White House...

Sorry - just realized that YOU and your ilk and the RNC-TEA really do believe Bush policies were fine and dandy and America was in better condition with them.

DUH! How idiotic!

See: this "out of touch with reality" mentality of Romney & the GOP/TEA is just ONE of many reasons voters should avoid Republicans in the election... obviously, without question, THEY LIE TO US!

te

Do any of you believe Willard knows how much a loaf of bread costs at the grocery store? (Me neither...THAT is out of touch! DUH.)

That would make 90% of the Government (including Obama) out of touch with people.

Gas here has been at 4.45 and has stayed that way for over 2 months not shifting more than 5 cents.

Gas here has been at 4.45

Yeah... doesn't that just irk you at Venezuala, Syria, Canada and OPEC...

playing their silly little games and allowing Big Oil to get in position to set more new quarterly record profits. And WE go for it! Next they will try to sell us fried ice cream... idiotic!

Good thing we have Obama in the White House to ease it up a little instead of some oil guy (remember 2001-2009?) ----

Obama (if that is his name) is complicit in any economic, social or financial activity which is associated with the United States of America.

Perhaps you have read or heard it said that there are people who have eyes to see and see not, have ears to hear and hear not ?

Well then you just need to take a few seconds and recall the strident voice of this socialist wanna be dictator when he said he would 'side' with islam EVERY time.

When he said he wanted to BANKRUPT the coal industry, when he said we don't need a powerful armed force, when he said he was above and beyond the law, when he said he would not show his passport activities, when he declined to show the ORIGINAL birth certificate but produced a forgery or a phony.

When he said he barely knew that treasonous Bill Ayres and yet he sat on committees with him, had some of his college paid for by Ayres dad, and when he lied about his relationship with Larry Sinclair and the so called Rev Wright.

And of course when he said that 7.00 dollars per gallon would be an acceptable price for gasoline in the US? That must tell even the staunchest left wing ideologues that he is NOT an American Patriot.

Aaaah yes, eyes to see and see not. Ears to hear and hear not.

Time to see what is happening America. Time to hear what is happening America.

Because it can be too late if we don't evict this destroyer from office this November.

oooooooo...

boogymen in the closet;

and appears there is one on this thread too - trying his best to undermine the United States of America and her Head of State.

Probably some Muslim with designs to take over this nation from within by turning the Citizens against their President.

Too bad for him... he is about to learn that Americans do NOT turn their backs upon their President just because some outsider tries to plant seeds of dissention.

Imbicile!

SeekingSanity...I at least provided a list of nations that do not respect this President...you on the on hand look very foolish when you cannot provide any evidence to the contray and simply attack my posts. Come on big boy, put your facts where your mouth is...you truly lack credibility...

I have never seen such haters....so sad that your thinking is so distorted...tooo much "Entertainment Radio" thinking that they are factual...NOT..

Many posts start out with pure hate...if you don't like it here leave...good-bye

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 the Choice of the PEOPLE NOT unethical corporations/special interest hate radio

Let's see about this gas price thing, 3 months ago when gas was almost $4 per gallon, I'm referring to Oklahoma not California, it was because Obama's energy policies were solely to blame for the fuel prices according to Bill O'Reilly, who would argue with his many guests who would point to speculators, global demand, drilling techniques, limited domestic policy, yada, yada, yada, but O'Reilly said it was Obama. Now, the price of Gas is $3.12 per gallon. Guess what the problem is now? The global economy is skidding, because of Obama thus increasing supply thus dropping the price. Or, maybe, Obama's energy policy is better than what we thought.

New Clown show in town til January 2013: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

John - no, we're hopefully voting the GOP clowns out of every office in November so most of the clown show will be gone come January. Then President Obama and Congress can begin to get things done!

Obama/Biden 2012 because we can't afford another dumb Republican as President!

The only clown is you John! I am ecstatic that you are not in a position of importance.

What times precisely are you appearing John?

No, his position on the economy is evolving...lol

And how 'bout YOU tjm?

Did you pass econ 101?

Doubt it judging from the garbage you post on here....

To all of you who voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not racist, vote for someone else in 2012 and prove you're not idiots. To re-elect Obama would be like backing up the Titanic to hit the iceberg again.

Obama was voted for opposing Iraqi and Afghan wars.

Why is he falling into the Saudi, oil companies and their lobbyists traps on Syria and Iran?

Is it the time to impose sanctions on Iranian oil and manipulate oil prices higher and higher compounding our mess?

Jonathan

Do a little research dear. The Saudi's are not the issue regarding Syria and haven't you noticed gas prices going down and understand what recently happened with Iran. Why Lord Why???? Who do these folks get their information from turn off talk radio and take a trip to the library.

The Saudi's are not the issue regarding Syria and haven't you noticed gas prices going down

But... Pamela...

You post truth....

Truth and facts do NOT fit the RNC/TEA political platform, so you are really confusing the RWNJ's - careful - you may make their heads explode with too much truth!

You are as stupid as yo think...I did pass intro to econ...not only that, but I ran a economic consulting firm that I founded for over 40 years. I will place my thesis against yours any day...never play golf with someone who carries a two iron or argue economic policy unless you know who you are opposing...just a little piece of advice that hopefully will make your life a little happier in these trying times.

He likes to pretend he is smarter than everyone else...... got the arrogance part down pretty good, but fell on his face for substance !

So you're claiming that the President is not ready to be the president but somebody who doesn't have a clue(Willard) should be president. Can't wait for the debates between President Obama and Willard... This is gonna be good as the President totally takes down Willard...after all no amount of coaching and practice is going to help Mr Magic Underwear..

Obama still blaming everyone and everything except himself.

Sfc - Who's everyone?

BTW, Obama still blaming everyone and everything except himself.

Mitts, on a daily basis, blames Obama. He blames Obama for an improved stock market. He blames Obama for job gains posted each month. That list goes on and on. Now, who is playing the blame game?

Obviously, when anybody goes for job interview, first thing employer looks at is, same or similar experience. For president's job (not a car salesman job) what experience do you need? some kind of governing experience right?

some people beat everybody in debate and they are also good at excuses and when it comes to doing it they beat no body.

Now everybody knows at-least one person who fits above description!!!!!!!

I too am waiting for the debates. Im not going to say who's going to win. You liberals can make that call. Just remember that lots of people thought Gov Walker was out debated....... and look at the results. I personally think the liberal (think better of them themselves then they should) are over inflated because of the way you think about yourselves.

Ninja, we already know O failed. What we don't know is will Mitt fail too. Granted, our odds and our choices aren't great but I would rather take a chance and let Mitt try rather then give a confirmed failure the reins again knowing that he doesn't have to worry about re-election next time. O could do alot of damage if he has nothing left to lose. As an added bonus,if (when) O is out, that will send the message that the people are watching and if Mitt screws up well get rid of him too. He'll have to perform in his 1st term if he wants a chance at a second. I admit I'm not liking either option too much because both parties are only in it for themselves so the only way to change that is to let them know that they need to do what the people that vote want or find a new job. We have to put the power back in the voters hands. Re-electing Obama only proves that they don't have to worry about keeping their jobs as long as the put on a good dog and pony show.

jollyoldsoul - oh and we see none of that from the far righties - including yourself right? Hypocrite!

Gov Walker was out debated....... and look at the results

Yeah, amazing what the 1%er big bucks can buy these days isn't it...

Why, heck -- Cheney got a new heart, Bain got lots of other peoples assets for themselves, Walker got another shot at governing Wisconsin, and Willard will get a TEA/GOP Presidential nomination!

Man! No wonder you conservatives are so greedy....

NOT - it IS in fact a wonder to most people.

Oh No, seeking has used the H word. LOL, she must have been looking in the mirror when she typed her comment.

Well stupid, if you want to talk about greed how greedy was it for obama outspending mccain by nearly 2 to 1 in 2008? Of for his campaign to have a $billion war chest goal this year. Of course lets also consider clooney raising $15 million in less than a day for obama and all those $35,000 to $40,000/plate fundraisers in NYC.

Cheney got a new heart

Lets see he got a heart from an old person they are no aloud to give them to young people.

Bain got lots of other peoples assets for themselves

have you even looked at their record? they made all of their money on a few deals most the broke even or lost money on.

Man! No wonder you conservatives are so greedy....

Democrats are just as bad.

If the teapubcons would stop sabotaging this nation we would be out of this depression G "W" Bush got us in, the best way to jump start our economy is to get the teabag party out of congress.

Ummm - that summary is actually pretty accurate, so I'm confused by your associated commentary. Uncertainty in Europe is absolutly weighing on the economy. Spending money would improve the economy right now (even if it would drive up debt, it would boost employment and thus consumption). The private sector is doing reasonably well - the private sector has been adding jobs - without the government cuts we'd be 1% lower unemployment right now.

Maybe you don't actually know what's going on?

So, Lets contrast that to what we've heard from the other side...<chirp><chirp>
Just what I thought... Republicans have nothing!

Battsman - you have to ignore most of these GOP posts. I see school just let out so many little ones are now on the family computer - trying to act like their grown up parents - with about the same success!

Obama/Biden 2012

Some of us dont need to be assured because we already know whats up. We know the party of No does not have a plan to help the economy and we know they are trying to turn this on Obama. For 31/2 years they sit on their asses and did nothing and Mitt has been running for Pres for 8 years and still nothing plausible to offer the US but lets gut some of these companies. Remember (let the car industries file bankruptcy that was really dumb. Now the Pres is out of touch no, everyone wants him to fail SO THEY CAN SAY SEE I TOLD U A BLACK CANT RUN THE COUNTRY...

I agree 100%. The Obama administration and campaign have turned into one big clown show.

TNRebel - actually, you're not - not even close. And, Mitt - oh please!!! That guy is dumber than a rock- the one he crawled out from under for this campaign - yet again. Let's see - that's 3 times now. Just can't keep him out of the way!

Oh and, by the way - it's they're - not their!

John-203..... You're clearly confused - it's the Romney clown show! And, not even funny - more just pathetic! The GOP is really stooping low!

Obama/Biden 2012

as good a job as the guy acting like our President

You are confused Tn rebel:

Ronald Reagan was the actor...the one acting like our President;

(Obama is the real deal!)

"Credit Default Swaps"..........hey Jane eco, a movie for you, :

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/cron/

On Deregulation, Derivatives, CDO's, etc.

They were warned, Brooksley Born Warned them, they shut her up, and shut her down.

then it all came Crashing down. And today, Americans are Still paying for not listening to a very bright, smart lady.

She will always be able to tell them...."I Told You So"...

TNRebel - I see you're starting early with your hatred of everyone who isn't a demented little right winger. Too bad - you're going to be seeing Democrats holding the top offices for many years to come. We know too much to let the mental midgets lead again.

Obama/Biden 2012 because the GOP's got nothin!

I agree TNRebel, @ one time I respected them, but since Obama took office, I see the Clintons a lot differently. Actually, I see all 3 of them in a manner that I would NOT for vote any of them.

Narcissists can't take blame for anything...ever.

Don't tell me, you voted for George W. twice. Thanks for nothing.

blackjacket, bashing Romney is not going to help your totally out of touch and out of time Obama!

No kidding blackjackcat, his little statement in Council Bluffs, IA today was great ...

"the President thinks we need more firemen, more police officers, and more teachers! Did he not get the message from Wisconsin! The American People Did!"

So true! My life is going to improve as is the economy if we have less school teachers (get over it if you don't like 40 kids in your class!), firemen (what? your house is on fire? take a number), and police officers ... (insert what you'd like here). Does Romney REALLY think we'll all be better off without these vital workers in our cities and States?

What an IDIOT!

Spot on Layton!

I guess ol' out- of- touch Willard can't realize that the American People were bought in Wisconsin. Voters know it.

Thanks, Not as! One of my favorite sayings is "spot on!" I sincerely doubt that phrase and Mitt Romney will every be in a complete sentence! :)

Big Horn .... as my very Republican boss used to say at times .... "walk West until your hat floats."

i know many who have been out a year and still have nothing. All professionals.

Ummm... Obama said it word for word dude. Nobody had to cut and paste anything. Why can't you guys just admit he made a mistake?

When the incumbent is as "out of touch" as our present president, even his liberal friends are starting to say things. All he has done for Three and a Half Years, is to blame everyone and everything else for all problems and take credit for the few things that went well. This is the opposite of leadership 101. Leadership 101 says take the blame and responsibility for things that go wrong and propose new solutions to fix the issues that go wrong. Leadership 101 also says spread the credit for things that go correct to show that you are working with everyone else. Of course Obama cannot work with anyone that does not believe as he does. He also keeps proposing fix issues with same things that did not work the first several times, they were tried.

underthebus,

Exactly, when you have spending cuts in the federal, state and local sector it means that jobs are lost. Shrinking jobs means shrinking tax revenue, means more use of safety net programs. it is balance that is out of whack.

The GOP answer is just say no to the job bills that Obama has asked for from the Congress to fix our roads, bridges and airports.

And Boehner and Co. are now on another vacation. They have been out of Washington for a total of nine weeks so far this year. They are indeed just collecting a paycheck from you and I and laughing all the way to the next fundraiser.

Terry, the current uemployment rate for people with a bachelor's degree was 3.9% in May.

Leadership 101 says take the blame and responsibility for things that go wrong and propose new solutions to fix the issues that go wrong.

That statement is based on the assumption that the proposals provided were wrong. I'd say that not all of us concur with your assumption.

Leadership 101 says take the blame and responsibility

If that is Leadership 101, Romney failed the class. Everyday he blames Obama.

Another example of the media and the public ignoring the actual issues, and focusing on irrelevant nonsense. At this rate, nobody who would make a decent President would ever want the job. Who cares if Romney said he is not concerned about the poor or likes firing people, or Obama accidentally said he's visited 57 states instead of 47? Does it matter that Romney's wife owns two Cadillacs or that Obama plays golf?

This process of taking things out of context or simply making news out of non-issues, is why the American voters are so astoundingly ignorant of things that actually matter. I realize the Internet and the 24 hour news cycle means that everyone is competing for profits. It's up to the American people to pay attention to actual news, and let these people know that we don't care about making politics into a blind horse race.

Underthebus, you have to admit that Obama and his clown show have given the GOP a lot of help.

John-2032532

And the clown circus that was the Republican Primary put alot of great quotes in the can for the Democrats to re-run, here's a sample:

we’re not going to beat Barack Obama with some guy who has Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Island accounts, owns shares of Goldman Sachs while it forecloses on Florida and is himself a stockholder in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while he tries to think the rest of us are too stupid to put the dots together to understand what this is all about.

This is why I hate democracy sometimes. Partisanship often makes even the most intelligent person sound stupid. Is there anything wrong in saying that the private sector is doing fine, compared to the public sector, but the overall economy is not doing just as fine? Geez! what happened to logical reasoning? Democrazy at its best!

Amy..here's a quote you might see later.

"The private sector is doing fine."

Sundiata-2
This is why I hate democracy sometimes. Partisanship often makes even the most intelligent person sound stupid. Is there anything wrong in saying that the private sector is doing fine, compared to the public sector, but the overall economy is not doing just as fine? Geez! what happened to logical reasoning? Democrazy at its best!

I'll try to keep this simple. The public sector is not "doing fine", compared to anything. The private sector pays for the public sector. We obviously are downsizing the public sector, which is why it is not doing fine, because we cannot afford to run it at previous boom time levels. Am I going too fast? As the public sector expectantly shrinks, I don't want to here the biggest spender of all time whine about it.

John, best post I have seen in a long time.

bush passed the car bailout look it up

Actually Buzz, he didn't save the auto industry.

Ford saved themselves, without any help from the government.

Blah blah blah.......... more rhetoric. How about posting something original. Another out of touch Obama supporter.

Willie Smith - do tell us! What solutions does Romney have? Because see he said he has them but isn't going to tell them during the elections. Yeah - sure he has plans.

Obama/Biden 2012 because we can't stand having Mitt f**k up the country more than Bush did!

First of all, he knew what kind of job he was getting into when he ran. Second, he has not had the worst time of any previous president. There were many worse times, before he started in. Third, as stated above he did not save the auto industry. He saved his buddies in the unions for the auto industry. He also has exempted his "unions" from most of the new taxes and troubles because of his Obama Care.

First of all, he knew what kind of job he was getting into...

What school does one attend to get that revisionist history?

Ford saved themselves, without any help from the government.

OK, ENOUGH with that BS.

1) GM and Chrysler both went bankrupt, but the government saw fit to pump money down the two rabbit holes first, they were going BK anyway, the Feds should have just let them, the result would have been the same except for the union handouts. Comnpanies go BK all the time and come out of it, look at EVERY major airlihne except Southwest. None needed the feds to come in and raid the cookie jar.

2) Ford is in debt up to its eyeballs, just like the other two of the big 3, they just maxed out their own credit as opposed to borrowing from the feds. They are in the same boat as GM. As a Ford stockholder, I can tell you that Fords books are not looking good and the stock price reflects that.

3) Toyota, Nissan, and many other car companies were bailed out like VW and BMW in Europe. This myth that GM and Chrysler were the only ones is the worst form of denial.

4) The US Government DID aid Ford, and FOREIGN car comapnies to the tune of BILLIONS

http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw-toyota-took-secret-government-money

reddev -

Obama decided that he wanted to run for President. If he did now know what was going on, that is his fault, no one else's - he should have realized what he was getting into. It's not 'revisionist' at all!

Too bad that he isn't man enough to own up to his mistakes!

More on how the US government helped Ford and IS HELPING Ford.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703589404575417491742322262.html

Please stop with the Ford didnt get any help from the Feds crap, because its just that, crap.

Tammy - too bad the GOP isn't honest enough to admit they did everything they could to make this President a failure and destroy the country. Oh wait - that DID leak out didn't it. Too bad you're not woman enough to admit the GOP has NOTHING running that is capable of leadership - just a "but it's my turn" candidate who frankly doesn't give a da*n about this country. Too bad you're to dumb to see you're being used and the GOP doesn't care about you or any other woman.

Obama/biden 2012 because the GOP is destroying the United States!

It is this tea party ultra conservative movement such as Alan West of Florida that is impossible to work with, they wanted strict Austerity legislation but was unwilling to accept their party is the one who shoved 2 unfunded wars down the throat of the American Public and decade long tax breaks that created a larger deficit and then put the whole blame game on the Democrats

The economy sank to the deepest recession and outright depression in several areas of the country starting in 2007, thanks to a absent domestic policy for 8 years of George Bush, so basically Obama is stuck using Rooseveltian govt bailout techniques to keep this economic thing from crushing into chatastrophe and something should change in 3.5 years?????? This will take until 2014ish to recover.

Please outline for me Romney's plan to create 3 million jobs, I'm sure there not all fracking, well, you would have to hire thousands to clean up the nasty brine spills from the fracking procedure. I haven't heard of detailed job plan from Romney, what is it??????????/

Bush passed the auto bailout and in October before the election he summoned the McCain & Obama team if you can recall that far back, most Fox Republicans can't. Summoned them to the White House, with the proverbial " one of YOU will inherit this catastrophe, what shall we implement???So collectively what we have in the auto industry is an agreement, like overnite, stopping the DAM for breaking, DAMMIT!!!!!! Typical Republicanism, don't do anything to intervene in free market until our backs are against the wall and all hell is ready to break, then we'll blame it on the Democrats.

And yet, here the poor and middle class are, three years in his presidency with their taxes still lower than they were under George W. Bush and with Republicans demanding that people who are too poor to qualify to pay income tax must be taxed to finance another tax cut for rich people.

he cut your social security tax. Thats good so it goes bankrupt quicker. Almost half the people in this country pay no taxes.

Typical right wing freak job .. in one post claim Obama has raised taxes on the poor and middle class, then in the next post claim he cut taxes. Well, now, which is it?

For the record - Reagan goes down in the history books for the biggest tax hikes on the poor and middle class.

You are right terry and 20% of those make over $250,000 a year.

What are you talking about? We had the largest tax standard deduction for filing jointly then EVER this last tax season.

Nick, he needs someone elses ideas because he has no clue. I shure wiched I culd tauk and be as eloquant a speeker as Obama. And when I puts my feet in my mouth I just choak on it.

Nick, I do believe the irony of the situation is not lost on the electorate, either. It is a clown show of incompetence. He was elected by white guilt. Y'all can throw your race cards now.

So congress does not have to try and fix the economy, and Mitt is running for POTUS you would think he would have put forth a plan. Oh Thats right all he needs to do is not be Obama and you rednecks will vote for him.

robiscoole
So congress does not have to try and fix the economy, and Mitt is running for POTUS you would think he would have put forth a plan. Oh Thats right all he needs to do is not be Obama and you rednecks will vote for him.

Robi...the plan is below. 87 page pdf. You are welcome.

http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2011/09/believe-america-mitt-romneys-plan-jobs-and-economic-growth

John - that's almost funny. Clearly someone wrote it for Mitt since he isn't able to articulate one item on it! What a joke! You don't actually believe he even knows what is in this 87 pages, do you? That's funny.

Mitt is a joke and you're falling all over yourself to buy his lies. Talk about dumb and dumber!

Obama/Biden because the insane run the GOP!

Govt' worker? Seeking, I'll put you down as a maybe?

OBAMA 2012

SIDEWAYS

John-2032532 - put me down as "not a chance in he*l"! Got it! Not a chance I'd vote for Mitt!

It seems like talking points, I did not really see anything that will bolster the economy.

If corp america is holding record profits what in the hell will reducing their tax rate to 25% do. It seems like they need to hire and a tax break does nothing for that. People hire when their taxes are high because they would rather have more workers and pay them than pay taxes on their bottom line.

More free trade agreements you do know that this is why outsourcing is so lucritive don't you? I would never vote for a Repub again anyway but this seems like blah blah blah. How is he going to get education back up while all of his repub govs are getting rid of teachers?

2008: Yes We Can

2012: Well We Tried

2012- Mitt Robme & Paul (Robin hood in Reverse) Ryan