Really Dennis - expand the money supply?

Tell us Dennis, what would the effect of that be on, you know, the existing money supply?

Stimulus? No thanks.

Or perhaps you can tell us Dennis why unemployment is not 6%? That's what O promised would be the result of the last Stimulus.

Good to see you are all for more of the same. What was that definition of insanity again?

Spanky,

I quoted Mitt Romney so ask him !

Dennis - that was from '08.

The supply of money is just a tad different now, eh Dennis?

Dennis, you did hear about the Stimulus, QE1 and QE2, yes?

Dennis, you are better than this.

Now you called for more supply, tell me the effect on the current supply.

Dennis? Walk that talk my man.

Or how about this - is the private sector 'doing just fine'?

Really?

This is a perfect examlpe of taking one part of a statement running with it. Obama was making a comparision between private sector and public sector jobs. All this in light of the many states that reduced public sector jobs to balance their budgets.

Certainly a reasonable comparison.

Here in MN the private sector is doing fine. Unemployment rate is 5.6% and has been for awhile. We have a diverse business sector, predictions of a great harvest if the weather continues to cooperate, and vacation rental in our many resort areas are on track for a good summer.

Nope, nice try NS.

O said the private sector is doing just fine.

He did not say the public sector sucks, but the private sector sucks less.

Words have meanings.

spanky,

"Words have meaning"

And all words have meaning and CONTEXT....

I was gving some context to the words based on living life here in MN today.

Spanky, this is what the President said:

"We've got a couple of sectors in our economy that is still weak. Overall, the private sector has been doing a good job of creating jobs," Obama said. "The big challenge we have in our economy right now is state and local government hiring has been going in the wrong direction."

Stop listening to the guy who's running to be Liar-in-Chief and get your facts straight!

Yep, and in the context of this terrible economy, Obama screwed that pooch.

Or maybe he really is just that out of touch.

Again, dude has never been in, or even near the private sector.

Ursula - that doesn't help, at all. The numbers are horrid, any way you slice it. 22 million less employed right now.

It corrects a distortion of the facts, but if you're good with Romney's lies, just keep on lapping it up. The fact is, Romney's not going to do anything for Americans to get jobs if it doesn't happen through rewarding the wealthiest Americans with bigger tax breaks.

Tell us, Spanky - if you get a big fat tax break, how much of it will go towards hiring more people and how much of it into the bank? I mean, you must be in the top 1% to defend Romney so passionately...right?

Ursula - there are many, many factors that go into the decision to hire the next marginal worker.

But don't worry your pretty little head - the tax rates will remain the same. Clinton knows it, I know it, and Obama knows it.

Economic reality always wins. Just ask governors Quinn and Brown. Oh and Greece and Spain and Italy.

Obama: "We've got a couple of sectors in our economy that is still weak. Overall, the private sector has been doing a good job of creating jobs,

A couple of sectors? Really, he said that? 8%+ unemployment, and rising. Number of long term unemployed at levels not seen since the great depression, record levels of people on food stamps.

That doesn't exactly sound like everything is fine.

Obama: "The big challenge we have in our economy right now is state and local government hiring has been going in the wrong direction."

Yeah, that's the problem. We just don't have enough government.

Ursula: Romney's not going to do anything for Americans to get jobs if it doesn't happen through rewarding the wealthiest Americans with bigger tax breaks

So if the wealthy produce more jobs and get richer, you're against it?

Bob Jones - get your head out of your big fat ass (I believe I have that right). YOU don't participate in paying me in any way. Like most on this site I work and make a good living. Do I have a problem with my taxes helping people who are out of work? No, I don't. See, unlike you who can't seem to recognize you can't have it both ways, I realize there are not enough jobs - yet - to employ as many people as need jobs. So, government help is necessary. You're an idiot! You talk about parasites then talk about no jobs. Do you understand anything??????

And, I doubt you get a paycheck!

Obama/Biden 2012 because there is no sanity or integrity in the GOP

This is what Romney said earlier this year:

"I'm in this race because I care about Americans. I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. If it needs repair, I'll fix it, I'm not concerned about the very rich, they're doing just fine. I'm concerned about the very heart of the America, the 90 percent, 95 percent of Americans who right now are struggling."

So for the 90-95% of Americans who are struggling, Romney suggests (1) finding a cheaper college or (2) getting a loan from your parents or (3) let your house foreclose. But for the very rich who are doing just fine, he wants to give them a tax break.

How the hell does that make any sense?

JAS, trickle down economics didn't work under Bush so why do you think they'll work under Romney?

Ursula - now you don't understand. Mitt doesn't have to make sense when talking to the far right. They don't understand anything anyway!

JAS, trickle down economics didn't work under Bush so why do you think they'll work under Romney?

You make some real general statements Ursula. Didn't work how? Like tax revenues didn't increase, because they did. Because unemployment was low until the housing collapse, because it was. So isn't that the point of tax policy for the government, maximize the tax revenue with the lowest amount of taxes? Looks like that economic model worked.

And as for the housing collapse, were you for or against giving loans to people that couldn't afford them? Bush let that one slide and for that he gets the blame, but how exactly does that invalidate his entire economic strategy?

Perhaps you can be more specific.

Hey Dennis...Spanky is just part of the "let em die crowd" just wait..."IF" etch-a-Romney gets elected..watch the Republicans pass a stimulus paln, watch the start to work to create jobs and watch them STOP bitching about the debt (that they created) and watch those "people" like Spanky embrace the idea!!!! they are all Lemmings following what their party tells them to do like one big collective! they should just change their name to "The Borg"

So if the wealthy produce more jobs and get richer, you're against it?

Nope. We're against the wealthy who produce nothing and get richer, who piss and moan about having to pay their cut, and who try to make it seem like if they're taxed at a higher rate than a guy scraping by on minimum wage that it's some kind of sin -- selfish, egotistical, disdainful, un-American, un-Christian types that think the American Dream is a zero-sum game where he who dies with the most toys and money wins. Those guys are universally backing the same horse, the gray one with the big floppy ears, tusks and a trunk.

JAS - is this the specific trickle down economics you were referring to?

Under Bush, private employment shrank by 673,000 jobs, federal employment grew by 50,000 jobs, and government employment grew by 1,753,000 jobs.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249516/job-creation-bush-vs-obama-veronique-de-rugy#

So I guess all those government jobs were possible due to Bush's tax policy - because that's where jobs grew.

they are all Lemmings following what their party tells them to do like one big collective! they should just change their name to "The Borg"

Nah, "The Borg" were all about efficiency and expediency. That moniker doesn't fit any political party right now.

Ursula: So I guess all those government jobs were possible due to Bush's tax policy - because that's where jobs grew.

If you're saying Bush was not a fiscal conservative, on that we will agree. In fact, do you notice much of a difference between Bush and Obama on economic policies? Other than Obama deficit spending at over twice the rate of Bush.

You still have not answered the question on if you're for or against the rich producing jobs and making money because of it.

Spanky maybe your private sector is not doing well because you are a poor businessman not because of the republican recession, but of course not its all Obama's fault. When do you take responsiblity for your own life and stop blaming everyone else.

I'm not against the rich producing jobs and making money because of it. I'm against the delusional concept that the rich need to be coaxed into make more money for themselves (creating jobs as a by-product) by giving them more tax breaks.

Yep - that must totally be it Tis.

I such at business.

Tis - in general are the 1% doing better or worse these days? :)

JAS1: Whenever they talking about Reagan tax cuts generating more revenue, they don't mention the fact that it was not simply a tax cut - it was tax reform. Deductions were eliminated to make up for the lower rates. AND - he raised taxes 11 times after he realized his mistake. When will you realize that Norquist is a mistake and throw him under the bus.

So stop propagating the lies and start telling ALL of the truth. Bush merely cut taxes without any corresponding adjustments, and people like you keep telling the lie that mere tax cuts will save us all. It won't. We need tax reform. When is the House going to take on tax reform???

And please don't insult us all by saying Ryans bill is the answer.

Good point bleary - so were is O on tax reform?

Any bills? Any meetings? Anything at all?

Nope, but it's ok - we already know he'll re-up them Bush Tax cuts again if he's around.

He has to. He's got no choice.

Spanky from what I can find the 1%ers are doing just fine stock market up since 2008, profits up

For those os you using Reagan as a role model, this is an interesting perspective:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/08/opinion/krugman-reagan-was-a-keynesian.html?_r=1&smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

"We've got a couple of sectors in our economy that is still weak."

Understatement of Biblical proportion.

[Spanky maybe your private sector is not doing well because you are a poor businessman not because of the republican recession...]

Ouch! Well, that would explain why he's spending soooo much time making ignorant, brainless posts...either that or he trusts his "employees" so much that he lets them run the machine while he's away ot his pooter posting...

..Nahhh...forget it...

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Spanky,

I quoted Mitt Romney so ask him !

Dennis,

People like Spanky do not have the intellectual capacity to understand a post as obvious as yours. His hatred colors every aspect of his life. If Faux Noise, or some other extreme right wing news source, doesn't say it, in his limited mind it can't be true. He is in utter denial that Mitt could actually say something like that.

It's amazing how many people just can't get it through their heads: neither party cares about the lower/middle class in this country. Almost all of our pols have been bought and paid for by the highest bidder. Both parties are responsible for the mess this country is in. Unfortunately,people like Spanky have contributed more than their fair share also.

Spanky-

Really Dennis - expand the money supply?

Tell us Dennis, what would the effect of that be on, you know, the existing money supply?

Well, of course the dollar would inflate, but that, in the short-term, is good, as exports would increase and more people would have loans to purchase large products, like cars or houses. We could easily raise rates back after the recession; besides, core inflation is low, so we have room for additional monetary supply.

Stimulus? No thanks.

Or perhaps you can tell us Dennis why unemployment is not 6%? That's what O promised would be the result of the last Stimulus.

Man, this is so weird. Even a right-winger like you can't remember your own party's talking points. Your party argues that Obama made a promise that unemployment would be below 8% with the stimulus, and even that was false: ask Politifact. If you and your party must know, the reason why unemployment isn't lower is because, frankly, the stimulus wasn't big enough. There was some fraud, and too much of it was in tax breaks that did nothing, but it simply wasn't large enough to plug a multi-trillion dollar hole. Many economists say it should have been at least $1 trillion. But, he could only squeeze $787 billion from Congress. Did a damn good job, but lost its power after 2011.

Good to see you are all for more of the same. What was that definition of insanity again?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again with the same results. It is proven, however, that spending money boosts economic growth during a recession. Tax cuts, on the other hand, aren't proven to boost economic growth, at least not nowadays. That is the definition of insanity, my friend. And what is your candidate's economic plan???

blearyeyed

JAS1: Whenever they talking about Reagan tax cuts generating more revenue, they don't mention the fact that it was not simply a tax cut - it was tax reform. Deductions were eliminated to make up for the lower rates. AND - he raised taxes 11 times after he realized his mistake. When will you realize that Norquist is a mistake and throw him under the bus.

Not to mention that he increased the payroll tax rate...

That doesn't exactly sound like everything is fine.

Obama: "The big challenge we have in our economy right now is state and local government hiring has been going in the wrong direction."

Yeah, that's the problem. We just don't have enough government.

Yep, JAS1, we don't have enough government. Quite simply, 600,000 state employees have been laid off. Our unemployment rate would be under 8% had we not fired those employees. The best thing we could do to boost job creation besides investing in infrastructure (which should still be done) is to give states aid so that they can keep those employees and maybe hire some back, increasing demand and thus creating more jobs.

Ursula: Romney's not going to do anything for Americans to get jobs if it doesn't happen through rewarding the wealthiest Americans with bigger tax breaks

So if the wealthy produce more jobs and get richer, you're against it?

First of all, the wealthy don't create jobs, unless you count the luxury industries. The middle class consumers create jobs via demand. Without demand, there would be no need for supply, for businesses, and there would be no rich people. Wealthy people can get rich all they want; I'm not against it. What me and my fellow progressives oppose is when the wealthy get to control everything with their wealth, from the economy to businesses to even the government. We also oppose wealthy people getting a tax cut while social programs that mostly benefit the middle class get a whack from the budget ax. I am against wealthy people getting richer off the backs of middle class Americans. Call me a socialist if you want; I'd be proud to carry that name. In Europe, they take it as a compliment, and so shall I. Europe is actually much better than us when it comes to education and healthcare and inequality; hell, even their infrastructure is better than ours. We ought to look at Europe somewhat as a model. Just remember this, JAS1; the only reason why I'm a socialist is because you are a fascist.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

I like and support the President. Having said that, I have to say, his talk, or press conference today, was very uninspiring. I quite agree with what "Chris Matthews" said, while waiting for the President's appearance. It seems He's getting poor advice or just doesn't give a damn anymore. I can't believe it's the latter, therefore I must assume it's the former. This must change, or the great "dunce" Romney will indeed beat Him in the upcoming election. Surely those advising the President know this country would suffer devastation proportionate to an outbreak of "black plague" with someone of Romneys ilk at the helm. Goddamn! Look at these silly crazies sitting in Congress. Look at all they haven't done. These sons-a-bitches mean to take this black bastard down even if it means killing the country while doing it. Mr. President, Sir!, don't let these assbackward lowlifes get to you. You damn well know what you need to do, and what the Congress ( spit) needs to do. Get in front of the country, and with the ire of hell, tell us. When you do, and you eventually will, don't give any deference to these republican worms. None deserve it. They damn sure have proven they have no regard for the betterment of those they are supposed to represent, therefore let them boil in the pots and pans of their rich benefactors. I, and many like me await your awakening. I salute you Sir, my President.

People its a fool who forms opinions based on political ideologies instead of facts. Fact is the only thing that addressed a depression or recession is federal spending. During the recession, it was massive spending during WW2. During Reagan's recession, he doubled the budget and the debt via defense spending. People these are facts. Problem is we didnt spend enough money to stimulate growth as this recession is much worse than the one Reagan was dealing with, and Obama has not doubled the budget nor the debt.

Next, look at Europe with its recent austerity measures (budget cuts) which resulted in soaring double digit unemployment over 20% in some countries and double dip recession or zero growth in most. Let me add that in this Global economy Europe, our biggest trading partner, bad decisions and economic practices is a major hinderence to our economic growth.

You can't change facts. Puzzles the heck out of me that people are so focused on proving their ideologies right instead of focusing on what is best and historical fact even to the point of harming this country. Folks stop thinking via ideologies and emotions and look at the facts. Of course, as usual, bless your hearts, you will try to bend them or shape them to fit your ideologies, but facts are facts. Unbelievable.

"An Obama campaign spokesman emphasized the 3.4 million private sector jobs to have been created during the president's tenure,"

Is that intended as a joke? I just checked with the official government Bureau of Labor Statistics web site and as of May, we have 1.3 million FEWER people working in this country than when Obama took office. And we have had a additional approximately 6 million new young people enter the work force - only to find no jobs available.

Obama really IS 'out of touch' with reality, and he has been a TOTAL FAILURE.

Mitt caught in a PANTS ON FIRE lie again. MITT cut and shredder.

No worries, Mitt has a saftey net plan for the masses. NONE. The poor are fine.

He does have a nice elevator in his home, money in the Caymans, a history of abusing dogs and gay people with blonde hair, creating gut and cut business.

Oh...and that pesky problem of being caught lying. Email memo from gov nominal Rominal.....we must have mandated health participation in Mass. He LIED...

Even with the June 1st disappointing and troubling jobs report, private sector job creation under President Obama has far exceeded private sector job creation under President Bush. 40 months into his presidential term, there are currently more private sector jobs in the economy than when Obama came into office.

If, over the past 40 months, public sector employment had grown at the same pace as it did in President Bush’s first term, there would be 1.4 million additional people at work right now. That’d be enough to bring the unemployment rate down by nearly a full percentage point. Michael Linden 6.021.12 Read more at

@Pamela-612874#2.36: Thank you. Insightful, logical facts, historically proven correct. Ignorance, and the desire to be accepted as a member of the current ism often brings self degradation, and often, societal destruction. Government imposed austerity is probably the most "crackpot" economic position ever presented. The efforts expended in collecting the morning dew in an arid place cost the loss of more water than such places can and will ever yield. Best regards to you Ma'am

Mac Forrester
I like and support the President. Having said that, I have to say, his talk, or press conference today, was very uninspiring. I quite agree with what "Chris Matthews" said, while waiting for the President's appearance. It seems He's getting poor advice or just doesn't give a damn anymore. I can't believe it's the latter, therefore I must assume it's the former. This must change, or the great "dunce" Romney will indeed beat Him in the upcoming election.

I agree Mac. Obama is looking very weak and ineffective.

Surely those advising the President know this country would suffer devastation proportionate to an outbreak of "black plague" with someone of Romneys ilk at the helm. Goddamn! Look at these silly crazies sitting in Congress. Look at all they haven't done. These sons-a-bitches mean to take this black bastard down even if it means killing the country while doing it. Mr. President, Sir!, don't let these assbackward lowlifes get to you. You damn well know what you need to do, and what the Congress ( spit) needs to do. Get in front of the country, and with the ire of hell, tell us.

Mac, he had a presser yesterday and vomited all over himself. Don't hold your breath waiting for something different. He's been faking it until he makes it for years..

When you do, and you eventually will, don't give any deference to these republican worms. None deserve it. They damn sure have proven they have no regard for the betterment of those they are supposed to represent, therefore let them boil in the pots and pans of their rich benefactors. I, and many like me await your awakening. I salute you Sir, my President.

I guess you and Obama didn't get the memo. We're broke.

@John-2032532#2.40: Alas!, you may be right. I continue though, to hope He will come forth with the plan that is needed and works. We will never attain such with any republican. That last sentence you inserted is basic and typical of the "ass backwardness" I spoke of. While the countries wealth and currency, is in fact out of balance, the country is no where near broke. Fact, the country as a whole, is richer than at any historical prior period. Problem is; too many, apparently such as yourself, are easily taken in by incompetents and liars, or maybe, you are one of those.

Romney is the BIGGEST liar I have ever had the displeasure of listening to !!! How can anyone buy into his BS ????

Romney is very rich with money and very poor with quality, this Moron "Oops" Mormon will bankrupt America. Tell Mitt to Flip Flop back to Mexico with his drug cartel buddies !!!

Roy, you do know the difference between private sector jobs and public sector jobs, do you not?

Private sector jobs (the good ones according to your people) grew by 3.4 million under Obama while public sector (the bad ones) dropped by 608,000. Try looking at information that Murdoch doesn't put out.

BTW, yes it's true, under Bush private sector jobs dropped but public sector jobs grew. That's exactly the opposite of what your people allege would happen with the republican plan. Yet Bush cut taxes and regs. So what went wrong?

I think its interesting for Romney to be saying the president is out of touch,,,when Romney has never done much of anything..other than close down business's for profits through Bain. I am sure..somewherein his time with Bain,,there had to be a few companies that were not closed..but from what I have seen so far..there were not that many..as for jobs he created..name one ? AS for jobs created by the wealthy while Bush was handing out their tax cuts...name one...this country lost 500k in jobs monthly...great job creation I guess..now the republicans want even more tax cuts for the wealthy...just how many more jobs can this country handle with out colapsing ? Better question..do we have ANY politicans who care...for that matter..how many of our citizens really care ? I guess their votes will tell. AS for Romney..it seems what his claims were when he last tried a run for office..what he said then and what he says now are completely changed....I guess votes mean more than truth.

Mac Forrester -- I feel your frustration.

I myself am downright bitter in regard to the Lost Decade due to GOP/Bush-era stupidity, because I can NEVER get those prime years of my life back that was needed to prepare for old age. So many like myself are doomed for the rest of our lives, and there's nothing that can ever make up for it.

President Obama is not a dictator free to do the right thing, and must, like all presidents before him deal with the reality of Washington corruption and greed, an opposing Party that has lurched so far to the Right they are now crazy, and at least half the "free press" (FOX Noise) that is really just propaganda outlets.

Unfortunately for the president, compared to others before him, he cannot seem to be an "angry black man." In this time of extreme polarization, he cannot seem to be a "divider." In this time of huge debt/deficits, he cannot seem to be a "spender." Like no other time in our history has any other president's hands been so tied.

This is also why the Teapublicans are so despicable. Not just their treasonous obstruction that is hurting so many American people, but the anti-democracy shenanigans they are willing to do in their pitiful attempt to grab and hold on to power.

And I don't want to hear anymore false equivalency BS from rightwingers. We know who is abusing the filibuster, who is suppressing the vote, and who is behind things like Citizen's United. Even Republicans like Collin Powell, Jeb Bush, and others are appalled at the bought-and-paid-for GOP/TP representatives and candidates in their Party.

Some Republicans do not like things like Citizen's United (and why approval of the SCOTUS is going down) and other nonsense in their Party. But they will not do anything about it, and will probably will still vote for Romney even though they know he is untrustworthy (a liar) and has a rich boy's sense of entitlement. This article was just more of his "I'm rubber, you're glue" crap.

Romney's bullying, impersonating a police officer, removing hard drives after his term as governor, hiding things about himself (and his money), and not just lying but taking pleasure in lying -- The man is more than weird. There's something not right about him (think Ross Perot).

Let's hope many Republicans vote for third-party candidates or write-in a name. First do no harm.

Ivan, I'm so sorry that you can only follow talking point made from spin...because that is all your post is made of...sorry that thinking for yourself is so hard...

"guns don't kill people, people kill people". Similarly, our failures were not on the part of the government, but on the part of the private sector. When the order of magnitude of the rewards goes from one million to one hundred million, sensitivity to risk, and fiduciary responsibility to customers, fly out the window. Wall Street amplified what might have been limited, understandable, and manageable failures, by multiplying the defaults many times (same order of magnitude increase as their gains), and spreading the risk all over the world. Too bad banks all over the world weren't independent thinkers and went along for the ride.

"I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organisations, specifically banks and others, were such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms," said Greenspan.

There is little that government can do but here's something: re-channel the money it has been giving away in bail-outs toward research and development that might, in the future, produce the innovations that the world may want to buy from us.

Despite the bad economy, countries in Asia went ahead with the infrastructure investments that they judged would support their future economic development. Who wants to invest in a community with a crumbling infrastructure? Do you ever wonder why our ports, accepting shipments from overseas, are state of the art, but after the trucks pick up the shipments, the turn out to patched roads and highways?

Investment in infrastructure (which we need anyway and which businesses demand) puts money in the hands of private contractors and their employees, who, if nothing else, need to buy lunch, tools and clothing (demand).

While the private sector has it's panties in a twist, Obama is urging government to act.

Our current Republican "capitalists" are too averse to risk to embrace R&D on any new technologies (short term profits are too easy to be had) and, at the same time, opposed to government funding R&D on those same new technologies. They are letting those countries, with an eye on the future, who are investing, now, despite the bad economic climate, to embrace the technologies, designed and developed in the USA, which they deem will fuel their future economies,

A Tour of the U.S.'s Clean Energy Future [Slide Show]
The third annual ARPA-E summit showcases potentially transformative energy technologies

The slim, energy-dense batteries developed at an Envia center in China could reduce the number needed per car by half.

It's the same reason we had oil company subsidies.

If we wait until they can be developed proftably, we will likely be buying our new technologies from those countries, with an eye on the future, who are investing, now, despite the bad economic climate, in the R&D and infrastructure they believe will fuel their future economies. The Chinese are anxious to adopt solar designs, designed and developed in the USA, while the USA finds them still not economical.

"The Market" rewards forward thinkers, but not always in the short term. Bell Labs, Xerox PARC and ARPA developed technologies that were capitalized on by companies that did not exist at the time the technologies were researched and developed.

Come on Romney, Dumbama was never in touch with anything but the lever on the urinal in the White House.

How interesting people's memory seems to be, it's only been about a decade or so that this mess (GWB) caught up to us. And how short a memory people memories seems to get about all the GOP filibuster. I'm curious to know if you all live your life that way as well. I'm just in awe how people tends to forget the filibuster and the GOP "BS" "Pledge to America"...where are the job? They won the house the only job they're interested in is Obama's title. How stupid can anyone be to not see that?

I really, really, really hope Romney wins, so that the GOP can finish what they intend to do..destroy America. This is a free country, looks like the GOP are intent on turning it into a oligarchy for corporations and the 1%. This was never a Christian nation and it will never be so get over it. Remember, E Pluribus Unum, if only the GOP could comprehend that instead of trying to destroy the middle class with deceptive practice of "Trickle Down" economic that hasn't been working for the past 30 years or so. I'm curious to understand what kind of human believes that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different results?

LA99999 "Roy, you do know the difference between private sector jobs and public sector jobs, do you not? Private sector jobs (the good ones according to your people) grew by 3.4 million under Obama while public sector (the bad ones) dropped by 608,000."

I think overall jobs is more important than selecting 'cherry picked' figures from one segment of society, but even using your 'selected' figures, Obama still looks pretty bad if you check the OFFICIAL figures from the government's Bureau of Labor Statistics. You claim that total jobs increased by 2.8 million jobs (3.4 million private less 608,000 public), but here are the ACTUAL figures from the official government BLS source;

Total people working when Obama took office = 134,379,000.
Total people working in May 2012 = 133,058,000.

That's a LOSS of 1,321,000 net jobs, so your 2.8 million job GAIN is clearly bogus.

LA99999 " it's true, under Bush private sector jobs dropped but public sector jobs grew. That's exactly the opposite of what your people allege would happen with the republican plan. Yet Bush cut taxes and regs. So what went wrong?"

If you REALLY want to compare Bush's record with Obama's record, here are the official figures from the government's Bureau of Labor Statistics site;

Total average number of people working in 2000 (Clinton's last year) = 131,785,000.
Total average number of people working in 2008 (Bush's last year) = 136,790,000, for a net GAIN under Bush of 5,005,000 jobs.

Total average number of people working in 2011 (Obama's third year) = 131,359,000, for a net LOSS under Obama of 5,431,000 jobs. Here's the link;

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

By the way - Here are the figures for Private employment for Bush and Obama;

Total average Private Employees for 2000 (Clinton's last year) = 110,995,000.
Total average Private Employees for 2008 (Bush's last year) = 114,281,000, for a GAIN in Private Employment under Bush of 3,286,000 net jobs.
Total average Private Employees for 2011 (Obama's third year) = 109,254,000, for a LOSS in Private Employment under Obama of 5,027,000 net jobs.

PS - These figures include the job losses under Bush at the end of 2008.

Tony1974 -- If the GOP/TP gained even more control (they currently have the House and about split even in the Senate, along with the right-leaning Supreme Court) specifically of the White House, then all of a sudden they would be spending like drunken sailors to create jobs. Romney even slipped and said something to that affect.

When Teapublicans say they don’t believe in compromise, they are saying they don’t like the system our founding fathers set up (i.e., a two-party system).

Spanky, You seem to be a partisan hack of the worst kind. I suspect you would love to see the country fail so you could point the finger (even more) at POTUS. Same behavior we see in your GOP leadership. How about we act like Americans and try to find solutions for the problems? Never mind, that won't feed the sheep.

Roy, you seem to be dumb or dishonest. Jobs lost in '09 are jobs lost due to The Decider, aka The Chicken Hawk in Chief.

That said, why do people like you think Mittsy knows how to create jobs? Why does anybody buy the BS that Mittsy knows how to create jobs? He didn't create jobs. He invested money, sold off assets, fired people, sometimes held the investment as the company fixed itself, then cashed out.

What does any of that have to with creating jobs? He followed the advice of analysts then made bets on (a) that the company's parts were worth more than the whole, (b) that the company could be successfully downsized or its workforce outsourced, or (c) that it could repair itself if it got an equity based loan.

What does that have to do with creating jobs? Why do people believe it?

Wait! Woohoo! I had an epiphany! The answer is: they are republicans and they do not believe it. Not for a second. What they believe in is doing to the country the first two of the things listed above that this piece of lying filth did to companies. And for exactly the same reason: to rake in the big bucks while giving themselves a tax break.

The rest of the republikkkans, maybe 50-55%%, are the bigoted (Birchers, KKKers, gay haters etc.,-you think those people just disappeared?) the gun nuts (we prevent tyranny by giving the rich more, by increasing inequality and, natch, buying guns) and the religious whack-jobs, who crawled out from under rotting logs to raise their wormy heads in praise of the rich, in praise of Rick Perry, and in praise of peckerwood republikkkans - but who will take any Mittsy in a storm.

Whats scary is you need to look at the head of the DOJ and his recent discussion during Senate hearings. Green jobs now count ..garbage men, antique dealers, people that sweep floors at a plant that produces green products, Actually used cars sales people can be considered because they are seen to be helping recycling products...actually the head of the DOJ seemed pretty liberal on who would be included. It was answers by the head of a government agency that so makes this administration look like its grasping for straws to try and make the numbers look good. It was one of the most idiotic statements made by a government official of this administration.....................now that I think about it..just one of many.

Sorry that was the Department of Labor & Jobs....the questioning is hilarious and the answers..show how stupid this administration is.!

JimD-406742 "Roy, you seem to be dumb or dishonest. Jobs lost in '09 are jobs lost due to The Decider, aka The Chicken Hawk in Chief."

I thought Obama took over in January 2009, and passed the 'stimulus' bill just a few weeks later.
Silly me.

By the way - It's nice of you to exonerate the Democratic Congress in Bush's last 2 years, who's goal was to be the original 'Party of No' to all of Bush's attempts to control reckless sub-prime lending - FOR ALL 8 YEARS UNDER BUSH.

In this video ( http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/47740937), a guest says, "Congress is so dysfunctional driven by tribalism." The GOP 100% obstructionism demonstrated with the opposition of EVERYTHING that might make Obama look good regardless of what it denies our economy or jobs, which is necessary for the working people. Pierce Bronson mentioned on his interview program tonight that he wants to abolish all American Political Parties. I’m 150% for that concept. I’m thoroughly disgusted with the obstruction and manipulative false arguments rather than sitting down to REAL WORK for the good of all the people and not just for the majority of the greedy sucking 2% of do nothing elite; but steal (with all their tax exemptions at expense of the middle class, special benefits, paying little to no taxes as compared to a middle class worker, steal properties through corruptible practices on Wall Street/Bank Street, etc., etc., etc.) from the middle and poor citizens. The 99 or 98% are sick and tired of supporting all that has been given to the elite at their expense. As a result nothing gets done in Congress for the benefit of the majority of society. After all, it's not about us; but about their Party Policies. So "Thanks Republicans in Congress" for getting nothing done for the everyday workers and non-workers, who'd like to have a decent paying job!! We all owe Republicans ( and the dimwits, who believe everything that they hear while acting as parrots) our deep gratitude of their hard work while they are so busy blaming Obama for their own behavior and failures. It's also, obvious the same dysfunctional tribalism appears in some of the above discussions.

Pamela, you obviously haven't studied history. FDR's policies pulled capital from the economy, prolonging the Great Depression. It didn't end until we entered WWII. Bigger stimulous just steals capital from productive people and gives it to those who are on the govt dole. Even worse, borrowed stimulous just turns our kids and grandkids into serfs. Obama has spent $1.3 Trillion borrowed dollars each year he's been president. For you liberals it's always, "we just haven't squandered enough yet"...

Total people working when Obama took office = 134,379,000.
Total people working in May 2012 = 133,058,000.

You love to just pick your facts, don't you? When Obama took office, the economy was headed south in a big way! Just look at the last 3 months of the Bush presidency:

...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

And it didn't stop there, did it? Republican mismanagement of the economy would drive unemployment to 10% before it was finished! And no matter how much Republicans try to hang all that on Obama, the American voters know who was to blame.

Your numbers do not reflect the huge losses in jobs that were the hangover from the previous administration because the economy was tanking when Obama took office. So let's look at the overall picture, shall we:

April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

Now the sad point is that, as you pointed out, we still have another 1.4 million jobs to go before we even get to the point the economy was at when Bush left office. No president ever, in the history of the United States, was worse than George W. Bush.

I can only hope that American voters find the proper way to thank the Republican party for nominating George W. Bush this Fall.

When Mr. Romney has a tandem rough car shed and sweats over getting bills paid, then he can accuse someone else of being "out of touch". Last time I checked I have one house of 1200 square feet, a tandem 2-car rough car shed (not even a garage, much less one with a car elevator), no cadillacs but two old vehicles, the newest of which is 14 years old. Makes me want to throw up to hear him talk about anyone being "out of touch".

littleoldlady3 - I agree with you. It is highly inappropriate for Mr. Romney to accuse any other person of "being out of touch." A comment like that from Mr. Romney is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Mr. Romney has NEVER had to worry about money, thanks to his daddy. Mr. Romney has NEVER had to sweat the house rent or mortgage payment. Mr. Romney has led a privileged life, a very wealthy one at that.

The Republican Party is making a terrible mistake by getting all wrapped up with Mr. Romney.

Obama out of touch? This coming from a guy who, campaigning in Iowa, asked his staff to take one of those "chocolate covered pastries" to the bus for him. The chocolate covered pastry? It was a doughnut. Out of touch, indeed. He makes George HW Bush look like he was part of the in crowd.

Ursula

Simple and short,

create real jobs, the four letter word that VP Biden thinks is three. Romney's record at Bain for successful companies turned around was 80%. I would even take 50% from him than a promise of the shovel ready, that was not so ready.

On another note, I do feel sorry for the President on the Gaf about Michelle's push ups. You can tell he was embarrassed.

Concern Citizen, if Romney had an 80% success rate, does that mean 20% of Americans can count on being unemployed under his leadership? As soon as people become corporations, Romney will know how to deal with their problems but there's no equating his Bain experience to anything America needs!

Ursula, What do you think the % is now, Please do the math. It is a hell of allot better than wha we have. I can't belive the logic that you just used.

Concern, you truly do not think that the Govt. can run like a business do you? Businesses run on Revenue to make a profit. Yet you hear all of the Repubs state that we dont need revenue in the Govt. We just need spending cuts. You RWNJs continue to tell me that the Govt. does not create jobs but you want Obama to create jobs. If Obama is so wrong what would it hurt to pass his jobs bill. If it fails then he fails, but to not even give it a chance means that congress has failed.

Concerned Citizen don't seem to understand that Bain Capital's mission was not to create jobs but to increase profits for its investors. That 80% success rate didnt mean that they necessarily created more jobs at all of those companies that may have also been outsourcing jobs to Asia, increased automation or etc. to improve profits and operational efficiencies. This is what peoplel have been trying to explain to folks that Romney's experience at Bain does not equate to job creation and does not necessarily provide the skill set require to be president. Heck if I want a president whose answer may also be to outsource more jobs to Asia or improve automation or downsize US industries to improve US productivity. The best record to look at is Romney's job creation record while Governor whose job is to increase revenue and attract jobs for his state. Note that Romney was Governor after he left Bain and his job creation record was dismay.

From the article:

Mitt Romney condemned President Obama's assessment of the private sector's health as "fine" on Friday as a misreading of historic proportions.

If Romney thinks that the private sector is not doing well, then he should explain how it is that the Big Banks repaid the 25 billion dollar bail-out package back to the U.S. government. He should explain why CEO salaries and corporate profits are souring. If Romney is truly concerned about the U.S. economy, has he had a "serious" dialogue with the corporate kings who irresponsibly are continuing to ship abroad American jobs.

Are not the above ilk, his pals?

Other than granting more government largesse in the form of huge tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, Romney does not have a viable nor a progressive economic plan for this country. This candidate does not have a plan to move America forward.

"Out of touch?"

Any political candidate that states that his lost of "a couple of million dollars" in a business deal "was not that much money," is far removed from the average citizen.

Vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Obama/Biden 2012!

Romney has never been "intouch"

It's time for this RePub A TeaCon Congress to work with this President, not against him. This is the worse Congress this Nation has ever had !!!!!!!!!!!

Romney has never been "intouch"

That's just what I thought when I read it too. How ironic it is for him to say that.

This is the worse Congress this Nation has ever had !!!!!!!!!!!

Second worst...the worst was elected in 2006! This is just left over from that debacle...

Mark L-464288 -- Uhem, the worse Congress ever is based on a poll, not one poster's opinion. Check out the Rolling Stone's "Ten Worst Members of the Worst Congress Ever." Nine out of ten are Republicans.

Concerned

This 80% or 79% number keeps popping up. Been asking but no luck in getting the source of the numbers. How about you supplying the list of investments so we can confirm the source?

Concerned

Looks like you join the heaps of posters that gleefully post statistics that have no provenance. If you don't have a credible source for a statistic, don't repeat it.

Repeat a lie enough times and it takes on credibility. If you have to rely on lies to make your point, you don't have a point.

Hey 25walker, last time I checked all that stuff happened under obama, not romney. He is the POTUS and not romney. What has the president done for us lately. oh I know leak american secrets that put americans at risk. I am not talking about CIA operatives, I am talking about average americans who live and work abroad. How do you say, by constructing a very anti-american climate, What a tool. Fiscal responsibility and executive decisions without fanfare is what we need from our government. Laws that are enforcable and reasonable.

James,

last time I checked all that stuff happened under obama, not Romney.

James,

Thank you for reaffirming that under Obama, the U.S. economy has improved.

Let us speak frankly.

The U.S. did not experience an economic recession. We experienced an economic Depression. If the word "Depression" had been used, many citizens would have panicked. They would have withdrawn their money out of banks, the open market, credit unions, etc. People would have revisited the practice of hiding money under their mattresses. The economy will grow, only when dollars are in circulation. The term Depression would have removed dollars from the U.S. economy, and this would have caused a further retraction of our GDP.

What has the president done for us lately.

- Contained another highly-placed Al Qaeda operative.

- Held Wells Fargo Bank accountable for its predatory lending practices...to the tune of 425 million dollars.

I am talking about average americans who live and work abroad.

Based on the country that a citizen works and lives in, appropriate security alerts are issued.

Hopefully, you are not urging that Obama should seek to increase the employment of our citizens, abroad.

Fiscal responsibility

The GOP collapsed our economy.

The above fact is one of the best reasons to reelect Obama in 2012.

Obama/Biden 2012

Second worst...the worst was elected in 2006! This is just left over from that debacle...

Is that so? Let's just look at the record... from 2000 until 2006, we had a Republican in the WH and clear Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. During that time, public debt rose from $5.7T to $9T. GDP growth shrank from 4% per year when Clinton left office to 1.9% in 2006. Why in the hell do you think Democrats took over both houses in 2006? Hint: it wasn't because of the sterling job that Republicans had done over the previous 6 years!

Naw, the only leftovers we have are the effects of a runaway Republican nightmare that we will be recovering from for a long time. Unless, of course, the American people are stupid enough to elect Romney this Fall. Then we can start a whole new cycle of economic failure as Romney continues the failed Republican policies of George W. Bush.

But willard and son Tagg are doing just fine with their latest ponzi scheme..and the MSM and NBC are hiding it for them!

THIS IS DISCONNECTED:

http://www.politicolnews.com/romney-son-investigated-for-8-billion-ponzi-scheme/

EEngineer " Let's just look at the record... from 2000 until 2006, we had a Republican in the WH and clear Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. During that time, public debt rose from $5.7T to $9T. GDP growth shrank from 4% per year when Clinton left office to 1.9% in 2006"

Let's look at the REAL record;

Congress was split in 2001 & 2002, so the Republicans had control for 4 years under Bush (2003-2006), and what was the record for Republican control;
The economy grew by 25.4% in those 4 years = 6.35% per year.
The Deficits were $1.357 Trillion = $339 Billion per year.

Now let's look at Obama's record for the two years he had a Democratic Congress;
The economy grew by 0.8 in those 2 years = 0.4% per year.
The Deficits were $2.706 Trillion = $1.353 Trillion per year.

Oh, so that's why, eh Amy?

So in light of that, you invested, right?

Sure it wasn't because of Wisc.?

So that's it then, right Amy - MORE stimulus. But Amy dear, O said unemployment would be 6% by now, what happened?

And why not just hire every single unemployed person?

But amy member of the make believe society, OMG we've been hacked. According to you, big red and the other members of the whiney moose club it would be a disaster for the market if Scott Walker kept his seat in WI. Well I guess what happened proves you and the other club members are wrong the win in WI by Scott gave us a bullish market. By the way when you had to retire Old Disabled Handicapped Retired Former Navy, what character took his place in your little soap opera?

Oh good god Scott Walker saved the day on wall street really, this is what you and Spanky want to hang your hat on. Walker is a putz and had nothing to do with wall street, The Fed made noise they might do more for the economy and the market went up. Then they stated they would do nothing right now and the market went down and Walker had what to do with this. That idiot is lucky to tie his own shoes. And If you think he really balanced the budget with a 3.5 billion dollar deficit in one year you believe in magic. Even his own senate says he lied about that, he borrowed the money, anyone knows you do not balance a budget with a loan. Oh and don't forget that it looks like Europe is working out their money issues but of course Walker is the reason for that too right.

You really thought that Wall Street reacted to one single item? I mean REALLY? I guess it shows how little you know about the way the market works...Now ponder this one...what will the market do on the new that Obama has lost his re-election bid?

NO AMY. it went up because it shows people have the sense to stop the reckless spending. it started on tuesday.

when the communists took over france, it dropped.

gop is great for business and fiscal responsibility.

lets start hidin the welfare checks in the workboots, shall we!?

People .... seriously? WI drives the economy now and we should look to them for guidance on what will happen in the country? I'm sure the only thing Wall Street workers are worried about in Wisconsin is how the Packers will do this year.

I'm in the mortgage business and we are extremely busy and hiring new people every day. Sorry if this flies in the face of reality for some of you folks but it's true in my area.

I agree! The sauce that Mitt wants to put on our goose and gander is a full blown deep depression. All of his actions are pointing to that. The private sector is doing fine. Coporations are sitting on trillions of dollars, that they re not spending, because consumeer demand is low. Even Mitt Romney said that much this year, the rich are doing fine. When consumer demand slows responsible government spending should pick up te slack.

During the Bush years consumer spending was high and so was government spending. Alan Greenspan tried to reign things in by warning of the irrational exhuberance Things did not cool down then came the big crash. Putting people to work work aways pay tax divideds for gvernment.

it was the "insider" information on the Spain bailout that started this most recent "bullish" market.

Scot Walker crap had nothing to do with it at all !!!!!!!!

This RePub A TeaCon Congress has failed this Country !!!!!!!!!!!

BobJones, so Scott Walker and the republicans saved the day on wall street by what? Coming up with a jobs plan? Coming up with a balanced budget? Agreeing to cooperate for the good of the country? No, apparently a Republican having his job saved is the republicans' plan for wall street. I can't believe nobody thought of that in March of 2009 when it hit rock bottom.

Coporations are sitting on trillions of dollars, that they re not spending, because consumeer demand is low. Even Mitt Romney said that much this year, the rich are doing fine. When consumer demand slows responsible government spending should pick up te slack.

There might be a way to encourage corporations to spend more of their excess capital into the economy. Essentially, we would tax companies holding on to cash instead of spending it on things like R&D and other things via a sort of wealth tax. Any corporation holding on to a fixed amount of cash for a certain period of time would be taxed, encouraging companies to spend their money on hiring people and investing more in their businesses. And your last sentence underlines a basic economic principle: when the private sector decreases spending, the government should usually go in to pick up the slack, either by injecting money into the economy via infrastructure projects or utilizing monetary policy to increase the money supply and lower interest rates to make loans cheaper.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

The problem I see with that, Freshieee, is the corporation will find a way around it. They can hide the money so it doesn't appear to be on hand. As far as encouraging them to hire, that was part of Obama's jobs plan. We know how that turned out. I don't think there's any sense in coming up with any ideas now anyway as nothing will get past Congress before the election.

gop is great for business and fiscal responsibility.

Hahahahahaha... oh, wait, you are serious!

business - yeah, I am sure that American businesses just loved the way Bush, aided by Republican majorities in both houses, tanked the American economy. His push for minority home ownership, especially if they couldn't afford a home in the first place, brought on the mortgage crisis.

fiscal responsibility - George W. Bush started with the national debt at $5.6T. It took 200 years for the US to build up $5.6T in debt. It only took George W. Bush 8 years to more than double that!

I am not calling you a liar... history does that very well!

haha ss. i will go back to 4 percent unemployment and 300 BILLION dollar deficits any day!.

obumbles showed his true colors today. he is completely clueless.....

and how can people talk about how smart, genius even, this guy is, WITH NO EVIDENCE OF IT OBVIOUSLY!

jeez, its like he has his penis in every a ss of a liberal!

NO THANKS!!!! LOL!

i will go back to 4 percent unemployment and 300 BILLION dollar deficits any day!.

You mean you'd go back to 4-percent unemployment and a 300-billion surplus, right?

Let me just remind you that if that's what you want, you want Bill Clinton. And I suppose you also long for the times when Republicans in Congress were actually willing to work with the Democratic president and didn't explicitly declare that their goal was to get the president to fail at his job.

Those were the good times, indeed.

So right of right, spanky, concerned, and you other out of touch RWNJ's:

Today, Mitt Romney launched a shameless attack on the President, taking part of a statement he had made earlier about getting our economy back on track, and twisting it completely out of context.

Here are the straight facts: The President urged Congress to pass his jobs plan, noting that much of the job creation we've seen has been in the private sector. Remember, this is the guy who came into office in the midst of an economic crisis and helped turn it around to an economy that has seen 27 months of private sector jobs growth in a row, with 4.3 million jobs. The President said that while we still have more work to do in the private sector, it's doing fine compared to the public sector.

Here's what Romney turned that into: He acted as if the President said the economy is doing fine. That's right -- the man who said he likes to be able to fire people called our president out of touch, and then went on to criticize President Obama's jobs plan: "He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message from Wisconsin? ... It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." Apparently, Mitt Romney has decided we need fewer jobs for middle-class Americans, not more.

Now tell me....

which is TRULY out of touch with middle class America?????? HMMMMMM?

You guys spew your venomous, un-true babble and attempt to create "issues" and nontroversies that do not exist with your Tea-RNC twist and spin and talking points of the day. Your anti-American/anti American President blather and unintelligible foolish yaking is not only trite, tired and old, but also VERY UNPATRIOTIC and seditious.

You are harmful to my country and should cease your idiocy and get behind America.

Cease imulating Cantor, Boehner, and McConnell and start SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for a refreshing change.

And lets add Willard Romney to this group after his above-described attack.

Yeah, about that record.

4.9% unemployment.

Yep, that sure sucks.

Not 8.2% suck, but I hear you on the record thing-y.

Say how'd the tax increases go in Cali and Illinois? Cali did it in '07, and Ill just last year.

Yep - that really seemed to fix everything.

If Republicans think they are going to win the Presidency just by whining, "life is soooo hard!" they must think only 12 year olds vote.

Most of us adults have lived through wars, recessions, out-sourcing epidemics, terrorist attacks, environmental catastrophes, sex scandals, and corruption investigations. I wouldn't trade President Obama's America for any other point in time. His administration has been stellar, and, my God, the man is smart and works hard.

Spanky - the unemployment record when Mitt took over was low already. He added very few jobs and was 47th in job creation - too bad you left that out.

The GOP has blocked everything our President has tried to do but you find no fault in them, right? You are a hypocrite and the worst kind of American. Go back to your lies and stupidity. We expect no more from you.

Funny, Romney didn't even bother to run for re-election in MA. Knew he couldn't win and was bored anyway. He's a loser in every sense of the word but mostly as a man.

Obama/Biden 2012

GREAT POINT SANITY.

So riddle me this - how do you libbies reconcile the absurdly low unemployment rate while he was in office with the job creation numbers?

He already had full employment.

Neat, right?

Blocked everything? Did they block Obamacare? the Stimulus? Nope - O focused on health insurance while the economy was crashing. He had his chance, he ignored it.

Like with everything - Instead of charging in to fight, he charges away to fundraisers.

Amy - of course he is, we get it, you loves you some O. Now off with you, the coals need more heat.

Spanky, according to facts, "Job growth increased at a 1.3 percent rate during Romney's term, ranking Massachusetts 47th out of 50 states"

Riddle me that!

Tried to block healthcare. Blocked everything he tried to do to stimulate job growth - even though some of those programs were ones the GOP wanted before Obama put them forward. The GOP is a group of nothings - too bad you relate so well to them.

48th if you count DC. Romney's calculations don't include the first year of his tenure, so what happens to Obama's if you do that.

if you take the numbers from January 2003 to January 2007 -- Romney’s first and last months in office -- you find a drop of 1.2 percentage points nationally (from 5.8 percent to 4.6 percent) and 1.0 points in Massachusetts (from 5.6 percent to 4.6 percent).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jun/05/battle-over-job-growth-massachusetts/

Hence, most Governors in the US, at that time, created more jobs than Romney did.

Spanky what was the population in his state vs the population of the US, any change that number can effect a percentage rate. Example how many jobs do you need to have with a populations of say 1 million to have an unemployment rate of 4%. How many jobs do you need with a populations of 311million to have an unemployment rate of 4%. Now I know why you are bad at business.

insane so you want to use the Republicans has blocked everything our loser has tried to do, really. Until Nov. 2010 he had a democrap majority in Congress and didn't accomplish anything but sticking healthcare down the throat of the citizens that didn't want it and a failed stimulus. But I thank you for reminding everyone that it was the fault of the democrapy Congress during "W's" years including the tow wars remember they the democrap Congress approved. Maybe I do agree with you after all insane it is always the fault of the party who has controll of least 2/3's of Congress and the President. There does that make you fill feel better you've got it all just like you wanted.

I keep seeing the righties bantering on about 4.9 unemployment rates. If you're refering to Mitten's record as governor, the rates in Mass during 2005 were (4.9%) and 2006 were (4.8%). However, in both those years, the rate nationally was 4.6%. That's a -.3(2005) and a -.2(2006). These records, to me, aren't impressive at all.

So trying to spin 4.9 as some sort of achievement borders on ridiculous......

Obama/Biden 2012

Bob stop with that stupid overused piece of @!$%# information about the dems having a majority, The Republicans used the filibuster to record levels during that time to stop the dems, so go peed on a tree.

Amy, let me point out the fact that when your state unemployment is at 4.6% you don't need to create jobs...you already have a healthy job market regardless of the metric used. If you have zero unemployment would you liberals be critical and say you didn't generate any jobs in his state?

Tis - Bob doesn't have the brain of a toad. We all know the President had a filibuster proof majority for a scant 7 months. Even then Ted Kennedy was out much of the time and there were recesses. Plus, President Obama made the huge mistake of actually trying to work with the GOP! Big mistake but he didn't know they had taken an oath to defeat everything he wanted to do - to h**l with the country.

See Bob can't stand the truth because it makes the GOP look like the treasonous as*es they are!

Obama/Biden 2012 so the country will survive.

Tis the Season - The country should be glad that the Republicans used the filibuster at record levels. Can you imagine how much worse we might have been if Obama had gotten his way. Let's face it Obama is not a leader, has no leadership ability and has an over sized ego. Remember Clinton and Reagan both worked with Congress when the opposite party had control of the Congress. It's called LEADERSHIP AND COMPROMISE, something Obama knows nothing about.

VOTE ROMNEY IN NOV 2012.

sfcret,

You talking about the Gingrich Congress that shut the government down. And when that did not work, he lead the impeachment attempt against Clinton!!!!

You are the only person that I have ever heard on this board who likes the filibuster.LOL

sticking healthcare down the throat of the citizens that didn't want it

Are you sure that's the reason why there are uninsured people? Because they don't want it? How would anyone want to risk getting cancer and having to pay millions for it? Is it a pride thing?

Can you imagine how much worse we might have been if Obama had gotten his way.

Yeah, Bush tax cuts for millionaires would have expired. Talk about an apocalyptic scenario! Reduced deficits and the will of 75% of Americans being actually reflected on the law.

Remember Clinton and Reagan both worked with Congress when the opposite party had control of the Congress.

It's a two-way street, my friend. Clinton and Reagan both worked with Congress because Congress worked with them. Mitch McConnell explicitly said it was his goal to make the president fail. Is that the Congress you want to work with? Obama has given the Republican Congress plenty (extended tax cuts for the rich, every single concession they wanted in the summer-of-2011 budget crisis, among others), what has the Republican Congress given Obama? A "no, I don't think he was born in Kenya, but folks have the right to believe it" from Boehner?

Well, it looks like the inflammatory remarks from the lefties continue !

"Commonsense reforms." That's Romney's answer to every problem. "We'll replace Obama's blah blah with commonsense reform."

What does he mean by that? Go figure.

AndresTm, I hear what you are saying, but romney does not have any "commonsense" so how can he give what he dos not have???

Love that line:

Why is China willing to invest in America but Romney isn't?

Ursula-279622

Love that line:

Why is China willing to invest in America but Romney isn't?

Could it be because China wants to own us.

Concerned Citizen...... It could be but it isn't. China is willing to invest in America because they understand that their investment could be used in lieu of the tax revenue Americans like Romney do not think should be collected. They are willing to make that investment because they see us as a stable trading partner but trade requires consumers with money in their pockets.

Those in support of Romney reject any increase in tax revenue or T-bill sales. They refuse to invest in America. China is willing to invest, not buy, invest. At Dunn and Bradstreet they say that "Credit is man's confidence in man". Looks like China has confidence in the US. Looks like Romney and his crew don't.

CC China has less than 12% of our loans, going to take a lot more money to own the US deary.

Tis,

Not only does China only hold just 12% but our unions hold more of our National Debt than any foreign country.

Dennis, where did the union get the money to buy the national debt...they are non revenue producing in and of itself...it does not produce a darn thing to sell in the market place. So where do they get the money?

Campdog, Do you think China invests in any other country other then the US? Mmmm...I wonder why that is? Could it be the same view point that Romney has, that diversity is good for those who are investing? I'll bet you don't even know your 401k is invested more heavily in foreign issues then it is in the US government. You know that local bank that you keep your money in, well, I will guarantee they invest in the Eurozone in greater increments than they invest in US bonds...why is that?

China invests in the us? It has to. China wants to own us? Not hardly. China is dependent upon the US? Yes. US is dependent on China. No, but the investment industry reaps too much to ever want to give it up. The business of China is exports, of which about 70 % disperses in the US. Of this about 85% is American Corporations building in China then sending the products here for sale. Does this double dip doping interest anyone? Does any of this give pause to the considerations of that awful debt the republicans are always claiming we owe China? Does any of this perk the interest of objective economists and /or mathematicians? So long as we the people wallow in the bullsh^t of republican capitalism we will be treated by them as just another of the pile.

@TJM07 #12.6: Unions are orgainizations of producing people. Dennis is right. Producing people save, buy and consume. It is really pathetic to see people like yourself explaining the US finanicial and monetary system. Fact. About 88% of US debt is owed to itself.

Butttttt.....buuttttt....buutttt The Current President stated just a little while ago The Private Sector Is Doing Fine.

The Private Sector Is Doing Fine.

...IN COMPARISON TO THE PUBLIC SECTOR!

Lets get it all in there rancho, and NOT attempt to make it sound like something it isn't, okay?

Lets get it all in there rancho, and NOT attempt to make it sound like something it isn't, okay?

Sorry, that's not the Republican way.

Damn, Mitt and Barrack have more in common than I ever thought! Hope & Change in 2012 --- hope we change to Mitt.

Why on earth would you hope a Norquist pledger gets elected President NC?

That is assinine -

unless YOU are one of those wealthy one percenters...

Are you a 1%er NC? If not, you'd better change affiliation and back President Obama for President!!

Same as he always offers.

tsmalletz - and what, exactly are Mitts plans? Gotcha there since he doesn't have a damned one! Talk about out of touch with reality and the American people and you're talking about Mitt!

tsmalletz, careful your clap may be premature elation

@SeekingSanity #17.1, "Gotcha there .... " ? My, my, my did you forget your meds today ??

Let's see you posted one rant after another, attacking other posters in a most personal and inflammatory way in your posts at #1.15, #1.18, #2.13, #7.3, #7.5 and #17.1. Do you ever run out of venom ?

Obama wants to GROW GOVERNMENT .... is there really any surprise to that ? Only government jobs feed like a cancer off of taxes generated from private industries and individuals .... feeding like a cancer on steroids.

Obama's plan is to raise taxes, more government mandates and regulations through Obamacare and he claims that the public sector is doing "fine" ? Obama is, indeed, out of touch with reality and I doubt he would understand a balance sheet or an income statement of ANY of the small to medium-sized businesses all across this country.

Obama simply wants to tax and spend with no accountability passing out "favors" to his union buddies and anyone else who would vote for him.

jim - Even Bill Clinton sees how inept Obama is, and so do a lot of other Democrats. He really has no clue as to what makes the American economy click.

Insane whats bammy's plans unemployment kept below 8% again, another 800 billion wasted on a failed stimulus. Hows that for not executing on a plan and then asking for four more years. Bammy get your failed ass back to chitown and forget about the guvmet paid pimp organization we shut that MF down. Insane don't worry about my employment history. A veteran of 9 1/2 years and 42 straight years of working since I was 16 years old. A company paid Voluntary Investment Plan the company matches up to 8% healthcare till I'm 65 company paid, never worked for union never will. But I don't know why I'm telling you this you don't understand it because you don't work. I never voted for anyone running from the democrap welfare party. fiesty come off with an invitation to the DDI for insane he wants to see you dance. I can tell he likes you he trys to take up for you, but he can't, one loser can't take up for another loser.

Jim - only post to you today since you are just stupid. I see you call me out but none of your far right buddies? Well, isn't that interesting?

Obama is ten times the man and President that Mitt could ever hope to be. He doesn't give a damn about this country - just wants to do better than his Dad. The fact that you and the other buffoons on this site want to vote for him says you don't know what you are doing. You can't name a single plan Mitt has for the country because he doesn't have one.

Now, why don't you go back and count the times the little mental midgets on the far right have called people names and spewed venom - then get back to me. On second thought, don't get back to me. You're beginning to be more than just a little creepy - following me. You and your "alter ego" Kirk are strange dudes!

You're beginning to be more than just a little creepy - following me.

I'll second that!

Little Jimmy's obsession with you used to be kinda cute - now it's just plain unnerving!

The fact he takes the time to count & compile your comments is disturbing... most normal people have a life!

jim IS RIGHT TO POINT OUT THE VENOM OF THE SMUG arrogant hokum spewed without recourse by you libs. all your comments are posted in order, its not that hard.

serves you right to have your nose rubbed in it, despite your obvious attempt to ban all conservatives.

rightisright-5861504 - ohhhh, now do you feel better? I see, like little Jimmy, you don't have a problem with the far right venom - nope you just lap it up! But, that's what hypocrites like you do. It's "do as I say, not as I do," with you guys.

You don't have the spine or intelligence to make a post that isn't venomous but you don't want it in return.

Grow up little rightie (and, you're not even CLOSE to correct). You don't want the truth and can't stand that you know nothing and your running a lowlife for President!

Obama/Biden 2012 - because the GOP has NOTHING!!!!

spine or intelligence ss? lol! too funny!

i am obviously right, and all the posts are self evident.

dont be so angry. like wisconsin, itll be over for obama before you know it, thank god.

why dont you do a little reading about who obamas friends were and are, i mean, if youre gonna support him you may want to know.

and unlike you, i dont support all the comments that are anti lib. I unlike you, think for myself.

tsmalletz, careful your clap may be premature ejac-lation

sorry, couldn't resist editingit , Tis the Season, (snicker, snicker).

President Obama knows how to create jobs and he has created millions with the Recovery Act (stimulus) that went to every state. Then there was has decision to save to American car industry against the will of the GOP. Everything has been against the will of the most rabidly anti-American evil republican politicians who are not going to lift one finger to help middle class Americans or the working poor. It was Democrats who stepped up to make sure the country did not go into a depression. It will be in depression and great harm will be done with the Ryan Plan that cuts basic services and benefits but has that big tax cut for the wealthy that the GOP value above all else.

Jim -

you should enroll in some basic economics class and learn what you attempt to talk about...

Cheney is the one who insisted that the deficit doesn't matter, remember?

The federal deficit is a problem when long-term interest rates are high, and not much of a problem when long-term interest rates are low. The Federal Reserve dictates short-term interest rates, but long-term rates still are, pretty much, set by the market, in its usual ruthless fashion. (Which is why James Carville said that after he dies, he "want[s] to come back as the bond market. You can intimidate everybody.")

When long-term interest rates are high, a federal deficit competes against and "crowds out" private borrowing and investment. When long-term interest rates are low, the federal deficit is not taking away from borrowing by the private sector. On the contrary, the federal deficit is acting as a needed boost to aggregate demand in the economy, an action also known as "fiscal policy." When the economy is slack, every dollar of reduction in federal spending takes three or four dollars off of our gross national product.

So, by that test, where are we? Well, long-term U.S. interest rates are at their lowest in history. So what does that tell you about the deficit?

The President is not only CORRECT, but also very responsible and in tune with all the American people - unlike Romney who is unable to fathom anyone being unemployed, uninsured, homeless, or poor.

My best suggestion to you is to STOP parroting the TEA/RNC/FOX lies and spin and assinine explanations. Do some research, get some facts, and learn to think for yourself. Try to learn to look past the end of your nose - then teach it to Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, and company!

Hey tonybeeerm, that picture looks like Bachmann working hard for VP !!!!!!!

Tell it to the 9/11 first responders!

@ Not as stupid as yo uthink #17.13,

Rule #1 ..... Know who you are trying to discredit. Oh yassuh, yassuh mister "Not as stupid as you appear to be" ...... I needs to get me some edukashin so I bees jus as smart as you !"

Tell you what genius, let's back up a second. Maybe you should start by taking your self-appointed superiority complex and stuffing it "where the sun does not shine". After that, you long-winded, verbose rant has more holes than a slice of Swiss cheese.

You say "The federal deficit is a problem when long-term interest rates are high, and not so much of a problem when long-term interest rates are low". I say bull$hit !!Our country is currently spending about $.40 of every dollar or more on debt service alone .... with no reduction in the outstanding debt. Now maybe libtards such as you have a philosophy of making "minimum monthly payments" only, but that does not solve the problem ! In fact, it means we are sitting on a time bomb of debt that could explode if and when interest rates rise.

Then you come back with this unproven garbage about every dollar taken out of federal spending results in 3 or 4 dollars out of our gross national product. To that I say that every dollar you borrow, you must pay back that dollar, plus interest or eventually go bankrupt. Paying back that dollar PLUS INTEREST will take even more out of our economy in the future.

Yours is the assinine explanation, and Certified Public Accountants like myself understand that spending money you have to borrow doesn't really solve any problems in the long run.

Ranco, we will all soon get the McDonald and burger king pay scale and hope the Chinese buy those GM, Ford, Chrysler cars and trucks that cost more than their yearly stipend. Remember the history of Ford motor company who was working their employees 7 days a week and little pay and the cars they produced remain in the garage unsold until Ford wizened up and work them less and more pay so they can afford the cars they built. Less kill the unions and pay every body the Chinese slave labor wage. As we are on it lets demand that the CEO's should be paid the equivalence of the Chinese and Indian CEO, so our economy will take off. You also know that the talk radio and cable guys who contribute nothing to the economy will have their million dollar paychecks reduced to their worth. It is good to point one finger but look where the other four are pointing just like looking in the mirror and seeing that you are the guy in front of it anyway. I am sorry for those that vote against their best interest just because Koch brothers tell them that good wage is bad for them

That is your idea. Government jobs have been declining. by 600,000.

AF, Yes finally governments are getting the message. If we don't need them don't hire them. It's not just the Feds guilty of wasting tax payer money. Here in Ankeny, Iowa our local school board "renegotiated" our superintendent's contract that had 2 years remaining on it. They allowed a $176k "transition" bonus if he decided to quit at any time. Guess what? The next day he decided to quit and take a job as a superintendent at another school. Now we threw away $176k and got -0-....

Poor leadership isnt just in the White House. But it starts there....

UAWPleeeeze, your right lets fire all public employees, who needs police protection, firemen, rescue crews, city workers, hell who needs government at all it just cost us money. Its all work we can do for ourselves right UAW. Now just were did Obama say public jobs are MORE important than private or did he say just as important.

Labor Department statistics show that the federal government has grown by 143,000 under Obama.

thetotas

Labor Department statistics show that the federal government has grown by 143,000 under Obama.

Good. That adds 143,000 more people to stimulate demand and create private sector jobs. And the 600,000 lost refers mostly to state and local employees. You conservatives really need to understand that firing public workers will only reduce the number of private sector jobs created.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

cc bammy can explain and show you how he can kill jobs he has been successful at for almost 4 years. Yea don't cut the teachers union that have managed to kill education til this great country is way below most of Europe. Make the teachers union bigger our students still out score some African countries if we keep dumbing down teachers we can get below them too. If money could buy education strippers would be the fastest learners there are. The federal government has no business in education, kids in West Virginia don't have the same education needs as the kids in California.

Where was Romney when GWBush tanked the economy and 500,000 people lost jobs and the market exploded and the banking industry tanked? I could go on, but I think everyone is quite aware of it. Seriously, this talking head, Romney is in early alzheimers or something. He doesn't have a social filter and that is one of the first signs. Or maybe he lacks the ability to relate to people and is a borderline sociopath. And Bob Jones, your attempt at a logical analogy about strippers indicates your education was limited, but don't take your lack of one as the norm. This country was founded upon the philosophy that our government would provide for the greater good of all; including education. There is still time for you to learn how to write a proper sentence and form a logical thought.

The Government was formed to protect the individual from opressive govenments, and to give it's people religious freedoms and liberty to persue a better life. Governments role is also to protect us from other countries it's main role. secondary is to make foriegn treaties, and to regulate interstate commerice. That is it. Were does it say in the constitution that it is to provide for the greater good of all (including education)? Educations was to be a local inity managed by local county governments supported by property taxes and the sell of govenment land. Let local goverments do their job and teach. We are spending more, and more on education, but most test scores are going down, which shows that throwing money at education is not the answer.

GW was president when the depression hit, but he did not start it, you have to look at the Democratic Congress back in 06 that passed the bills forcing banks to make bad loans to people who could not afford them. The same thing happed back in 2000 when Hi tech went bust, because of incorrect values placed on tech companies. Bush lost those half million jobs during his presidency, but Obama has lost more then 2 million. (He claims 4 million new jobs, but you have to add the 6 million who lost jobs, and the millions more that have just dropped out of the job market, and quit looking. You would think that after almost 4 years Food Stamp numbers would be going down instead of up.

Are you comparing corporations that are publicly traded alone, or do you have deep, insightful knowledge into all the small to medium-sized PRIVATELY HELD businesses that do not share their financial information with the general public ?

You do realize, don't you, that the biggest segment of corporations in this country are dominated by the small to medium enterprises, paying their taxes and struggling to comply with the proliferation of ever-growing government mandates ??

So Dragon, your false premise about all these corporations just sitting around on piles of cash sits there right along with an Alice in Wonderland fairytale !

Jim, what data do you use to determine the size of a corporation, If you use government tax data it is by the number of owners which is not a true measure, number of employees would be a better gauge to determine size as well as type of business with regards to regulations.

One of the fundamental problems is that the small to medium sized corporations have no synergy along a national agenda. The USA needs a national agenda that promotes success in key industries and foster long-term US economic security. The loss of manufacturing and certain service industries is decaying because of coordinated Chinese, South American, and Indian efforts. The US infrastructure is also in decay, which supports business. Any fool that undervalues federal spending ought to look at the big picture and how key government spending, along with greater accountability, can expand the economy instead of transferring wealth to the top 2%.

Business likes stability. To hire or expand the company need to know what added costs the new hireing or expansion will have on their budget so that they can plan on it. Like the current conditions of uncertianty, companies sit on cash. No one knows what the future tax laws are going to be, will the Bush tax cuts continue past 01/13 or will they go away. Bills like Dodd/Frank changed banking forcing many small banks to close, and the larger ones much hire tax lawyers to try to figure out it's 1000+ pages of new regulations. This could take years. Then add Obama Care we passed it and after 2 years, still don't know all the potential changes. I find it funny that the Communist Countries like China have less regulations then the so called freest country. No wonder companies are leaving here. The Government is pushing them out. The Government should not promote one type of company over another, It doesn't work. remember Soylendra? What good did a half billion dollars do? Nothing. Except to waist the money. Let the market (consumer) decide which companies will be successful.

300Michael

I can see you need further education before you keep opening your mouth.

You said: "The Government should not promote one type of company over another, It doesn't work. remember Soylendra? What good did a half billion dollars do? Nothing. Except to waist the money. Let the market (consumer) decide which companies will be successful."

You don't even know that Soylendra was a Bush instigated program. You don't mention that it failed because previous administrations failed to promote solar energy, the result of that failure but all the solar energy chips in China's hands which is why Soylendra failed.

BTW: There is no free market, the market is rigged.

I see an awful lot of misinformation on these blogs. I suggest we quit listening to pundits, left and right and do our own truth checking.

BTW: Almost everything out of FOX is propoganda and not news or truthful. Some on the left are also not believable.

Rancho, that number is correct since Government jobs include State and local Government jobs

Will they do the same thing for Obama, BBB? Although it would be easier to find the number of times Obama has told the truth to the American people...he is either the dumbest man to hold the office or the most deceitful man to hold the office, starting with the stimulus package and playing up to his comments on the private market today...

Yeah, like Romney's record of trashing U.S. companies and sending U.S. jobs abroad puts him so "in touch" with the average American!

Bain took Bankrupt companies and some they were able to turn around and some they couldn't. If they fixed up a company, and ended up selling it to a forign company, yes those jobs went overseas. But the Democratic congress send more jobs then Bain could ever do. I do not know what you guys are smoking, but you better stop while you still have a few brain cells left.

BigBear, MSNBC commentators lie in giving the stories. The distort the facts, and spin the stories, that even the reporters that got the story would not reconise. Fox at least has both sides give their comments to the story. MSNBC is so far out in left field that they passed the bleachers and the parking lot.

Big Bear - Willard is a pathological liar and totally amoral

He has sold his soul to become President

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HAVE CHEATS will prosper...the new streamlined america.

Now let me get this straight. Romney thinks a $300,000+ annual income "isn't much" money but President is the one that's out of touch???????

@ charlie-1915998 #25.7...

and let's not forget the $10000 bet he attempted to make during one of the gop debates not to mention the joke he made about being jobless when the unemployment figure was at 9%.

the republicans constantly use transference to pin labels on democrats that definitely apply to the gop.

when president obama endorsed gay marriage the repubs had the deranged audacity to refer to him as a flip-flopper. never mind that romney's flipping would put shaun johnson to shame.