When Romney was governor, the state handed out millions in loans to two firms run by his campaign donors that have since defaulted, leaving taxpayers holding the bag.

The two companies — Acusphere and Spherics Inc. — defaulted on loans provided through the state’s Emerging Technology Fund, a $25 million investment program created while Romney was governor.

Earth needs a break. We are evidently using less coal here, as the railroads are shipping less of it. They are already looking to ship that same coal to foreign countries instead. The founding fathers were obviously thinking of the welfare of their descendants when they created the constitution and the Declaration of Independence. They say so right in their documents. So many people are worrying about cheap energy now and are not thinking of their kids' kids. We will leave these little problems to our great grand kids. We probably won't meet them anyway, so why worry?

Hurrah for Senator Murkowski! She gets this issue, anyway.

Dennis,

were Romney's $7 million dollar loans to these companies in 1994 a good thing or bad thing?

Romney has learned his lesson...but liberals never will...Government is their God, it can never fail.

We should all have learned by now what a massive failure the subsidized 'green energy' scam is....

Wow Bob. Democrats know all about failed government. We had to put up with it for eight years with "W"!

We should all have learned by now what a massive failure the subsidized 'green energy' scam is....

Then we should expect that Mr. Romney will not support ethanol subsidies...except he did...and the election might come down to Iowa.

So, for those keeping score at home...

Sun ---> Solar Panel ---> Energy = BAD!!!

Sun ---> Corn ---> Energy = GOOD!!!

Oh my! A Republican going against the GOP talking points. We may just end up liking Murkowski however I'm sure Palin is so angry the ice under her feet is melting. Luckily there is a female in the GOP who has a brain!

@ Seeking Sanity- I'm still waiting on a male in the GOP with a mind of their own on this issue.

Wayne - yeah, that's gonna be a l o n g wait!

Kudos to Lisa Murkowski. We need more RINOS.

Bob in VA -- Republicans worship corporations, Wall Street and bankers, you know those so-called "job creators". So called because they are failing at creating jobs.

Bob-

Romney was governor of Massachusetts from 2003 to 2006 not in 1994........

something tells me that more then a few republicans with brains are going to start standing up and think for themselves now, for the simple reason that they aren't going to be scared by the Tea party anymore

Hey Dennis - how long after getting those loans did the two companies last?

Now, how long after getting the %535 million did Solyndra last?

Now I don't suppose you can 'splain the difference?

Spanky,

You and Bob seemed to overlook the main point – “firms run by his campaign donors”.

Three questions on Solyndra:

1) Why did the Obama push through a loan to this "green energy" company which had received a "going-concern" opinion from their independent CPA's ?

2) Why were the existing shareholders given liquidation preference over the $535 million+ loan guarantees of the U.S. Government ??

3) How many permanent jobs have been created by this bankrupt company that are still viable today ???

Solyndra was a financial disaster that was foolishly propped-up by Obama because it fit his ideology. As a result, U.S. taxpayers get stuck with the bill .... over half a billion !

Three questions on Solyndra:

1) Why did the Obama administration push through a loan to this "green energy" company which had received a "going-concern" opinion from their independent CPA's ?

2) Why were the existing shareholders given liquidation preference over the $535 million+ loan guarantees of the U.S. Government ??

3) How many permanent jobs have been created by this bankrupt company that are still viable today ???

Solyndra was a financial disaster that was foolishly propped-up by Obama because it fit his ideology. As a result, U.S. taxpayers get stuck with the bill .... over half a billion !

ANSWERS: Campaign contributions for Obama, Campaign contributions for Obama and Zero permanent jobs.

Don't carry it,

We need more RINO's! How about Arnie, he did such a great job in California.

Annoyedperson,

What Tea Party are you talking about? Why would anyone be afraid of the Tea Party Movement?

thetotas:

What Tea Party are you talking about? Why would anyone be afraid of the Tea Party Movement?

politics, regular republicans where afraid that if they spoke out against the Tea party, the tea party would ruin their political careers. irrational i know, but i am studying the human mind and psychology, one thing i thing i know for sure is people do strange things when they are afraid.

No Dennis I got the point, which is he is a politician. Remember Dennis, we republicans know all politicians are idiots, some are just more useful than others.

It's you libbies that treat them like rock stars. Even Edwards and JFK [and what a douchebag - making a 19 year old intern blow his buddy].

So Dennis, again, how long did those companies Mitt gave money to last?

Years and years, right chief?

See the difference? Obama knew Solyndra was going down.

Just stupid.

theotas -- Let's rephrase that to say the republican party needs more reasoned people to step up. Murkowski sounds like a moderate. She's then called a RINO by other republicans. Is there no room in the republican party for moderates? Must everyone talk and walk the same way? Think about that.

Aww...lookie here...Spanky splitting hairs on another "conservative" talking point...and of course they overlook the main point...it's all too convenient.

Right Spanky? Oh, that's right...your dog hates you AND you have me on "ignore"...must suck to be you, now doesn't it? Sure it does...

Oh, hey...by the way..where did you go last night on the "White House Responds to Job Numbers" thread...you were going to "splain" to us how many parts of Sarbanes and Dodd Corzine got around...then you took off...what gives?

Or did you just realized that Corzine is just another of your lame "talking points"...

That's it, isn't it...sure it is...

Remember, the direction is "off" "counselor"...

OH my heavens, Lisa "Tea Party Killer" Murkowski isn't snapping her heels together and "seig heiling" with the rest of the Teapublican machine.

Lookout Teapublicans, thinking caps are being put on and all you're left with is tin foil lined tricorns.

It is to laugh.

Actually the loan process for Solyndra started during Bush - but the slow bureaucratic process lasted too long and finished during Obama

Moo-Cow-ski is correct.

We need continue to support new energy and new tech which will continue to put US ahead in the tech field - one of leading pride for the US.

jim-1455434

QUESTION: why did the Republican anal probing into Solyndra come up with nothing?

ANSWER: two reasons: 1) Republicans love probing so they will probe every chance they get even if it's pointless but in hopes to turn up some scraps, and 2) Darrell Issa's head was too far gone up the Solyndra lobbyists' a$$e$ before the Republican probe.

Spankwad says the GOP knows all politicians are idiots. Really?? Why don't republicans try to elect better candidates and we might not be in this mess right now. What a buch of fools the tea party are they say the government doesn't work now they are out to prove it. The GOP is just packed with idiots. If the country makes it through the tea party fad it will be miracle because the tea party operates outside reality.

Murkowski a RINO? Not on you life. Here is my list of RINOs, Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Mitch Mcconnell, Rand Paul. She is a true republican like Lincoln was. Any one who suggests Lisa Murkowski is a RINO them selves.

What do the current RINO's believe? Ending slavery was a huge mistake, why else are they so willing to press the poor and the middle class into economic serfdom?

@bay lie #1.23, Again the distortions flow from you. The bush administration had halted loans to Solyndra. Obama, however, decided to "fast track" this legislation at a time when the heads of Solyndra were on record with numerous visits to the White House. They pushed for approval of these loans at a time when the independent CPA's had given Solyndra a "going concern" letter. In the accounting world, this is about like a "kiss of death"

Obama wanted this done and it was pushed through by his administration ! He owns it !!

Can't handle the truth Jim?

Can't post anything of value Wade ?

i like seeing some commonsense in the other party for a change, there may be hope for them yet

btw feisty, did you happen to see the Ed show yesterday when they tore into that republican senator from Wisconsin. that was so fun to watch.

Exactly right, Fiesty. So many on the right seem to miss the point Federal loans and grantsstimulate research and development of systems and hardware that are often "ahead of their time" and frequently provide private industry with information that finds a commercial application. Fossil fuel's contribution to contemporary living can't be overstated but oil brings with it a price to be paid. Conducting research and seeking alternatives to oil is the smart thing to do. There may be setbacks but all thinking people know that setbacks are part of growth.

"did you happen to see the Ed show yesterday"

The blundering fool Ed Schultz was paid $200,000 by unions to be their shill, no wonder he attacked a Republican...

too much money in oil, we could have had good electric cars by now if they had stayed researching the technology 30-40 years ago when Regan tore down the solar panels that the previous president had put in place

but alternate energy has been smothered by big oil for decades now, and as a result we haven't advanced very much in that field as we could have been,

fun little fact, did you know that the basic design for a combustion engine in your cars hasn't changed for nearly 80 years, sure its been refined and improved a lot from then but the basic design hasn't changed, oh and also your combustion engines only run on about 20-30% efficiency, so for every dollar of gas you put into your tank you only get 20-30 cents worth out of it.

Bob:

obviously you didn't watch it then cause ED didn't even talk during the conversation, the people who talked were a democrat senator from Wisconsin, and one of the Recall activist. the republican senator couldn't even keep his lies straight when they countered him with facts

btw feisty, did you happen to see the Ed show yesterday when they tore into that republican senator from Wisconsin. that was so fun to watch.

AP,

Sorry to report I missed it! I'll have to check it out on his website! Nothing better then a bold-faced liar getting a good tongue lashing!

I've got plenty of *popcorn* ready for tonight - record turn-out is being reported!

There may be setbacks but all thinking people know that setbacks are part of growth.

campdog,

Excellent point! I remember when microwave ovens hit the market, my parents bought an Amana and it set them back $900.00!

When did innovation become evil around here?

Feisty:

When did innovation become evil around here?

when people started realizing it cost money.

im waiting for the debates to start now that shall be fun to watch.

im waiting for the debates to start now that shall be fun to watch.

Must see TV fur sure!

I'm gonna TIVO them so I can go back and watch Willard get pummeled! lol

You mean the Democrats "Full Employment for Tort Lawyers and Jobkilling , Small Business Destroying Endless Paperwork Act"?

Laws already exist to prevent real gender descrimination...but Democrats paste a label on another bureacratic monstrosity : "Equal Pay for Women " and the trained seal moonbats buy it.

Oh Bob - you are just so irrelevant. Your first post on this site said it all - either walk lock step with the GOP or Bob will rip you apart! You are just useless! And, that's the best that can be said about you!

Obama/Biden 2012

Bob, if there are existing laws to protect gender discrimination, why do women make so much less than men for equal work?

Oh, and I hear your hero governor put his GOP foot in his mouth this weekend...you must've been seething.

Equal pay for anyone with 1/32 Indian blood.

But gang, what of Lilly Ledbetter Act. Was that not all about equal pay.

Does the fact that there has to be another law mean Lilly Ledbetter failed?

THis law will fail, cause it is stupid.

You really want your employees being able to inquire as to what other employees make?

Bad idea. Clearly you libbies have either not thought through the consequences, or just don't get it.

Then again, how many of you are employers?

um i thought that the women had won their civil rights movement, what is so wrong about equal pay for women.

The ideological divide between Obama and Mitt the Barber continues to narrow.

Obama wants the economy to generate more employment. Mitt - Yup me too.

Obama was the final approval of an initiative to invest in a failed solar manufacturer. Mitt - Yup me too.

Obama championed health care reform featuring mandated insurance. Mitt - Yup me too.

Obama wants to cut taxes on the "middle class". Mitt - Yup me too.

Obama rescued the US auto industry. Mitt, Yup - I just would have drowned the puppies first.

Obama wants to rein in the speculative excesses in the Wall Street Casinos. Mitt - Yup me too as long as I get to carve out the exceptions for my buddies.

Obama supports equal rights for all Americans including alternate lifestyle couples. Mitt - me too when I was the boss in MA. Gotta work around some of my primary statements now you know.

Obama supports women's right to medical privacy and to leave medical decisions to medicine. Mitts - me too, again when I was in charge in MA.

This doesn't mean there are no remaining differences. Mitts is looking for a country in the Middle East to attack. Mitts wants to give the 1%ers a two trillion tax break over 10 years. Mitts wants to privatize social security and medicare. Mitts wants to increase non-combat defense spending so that Congress can pick and choose weapons programs the military doesn't want.

Mitts reserves the right to change his mind if his line isn't selling.

[Then again, how many of you are employers?]

Hmmmm...quite a moot point, isnt it? I mean, neither are you, right "counselor"?

Yeah, I'm right...

...but continue with the next "talking point 'o the day"...

knee-jerkers in general, or did she mention Spanky by name? :)

It's not his knee SpankMe is jerking... ;o)

be nice!!

Bob - no setbacks, by intelligent people, are called just that - setbacks. Only when something has no chance of working is it called a failure - kinda like most in the GOP!

Obama/Biden 2012

Bob-

So why do we subsidize both ethanol and the oil companies?

Ethanol is a proven failure, it uses more than a gallon of fossil fuel to make a gallon of ethanol.

Oil companies are making record profits, yet we still subsidize their exploration and drilling expenses to the tune of $70 billion per year.

with billions in taxpayer money for failed 'green' technology that has never shown commercial promise for 40 years

If it is such a failure, why are so many companies and home owners converting to solar? I guess the Bob's of the world have a weird sense of failure. Stock market up, Obama a failure. Jobs created net positive, Obama a failure. And the tiresome list goes on and on and on. No wonder no one believes in the majority of conservatives. Unlike Murkowski, they are doomsday drama queens.

Bob: when Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. do you think that he got it right on the first shot. do you think after the first failure he should have quit because he didn't produce a result right there and then, no it took him thousands of tries to make a single light bulb light up for about 30 minutes, and that change how people lived forever. and how do expect to create progress without spending a little money.

Bob in VA -- Got proof of those allegations? Why did Congress set aside 10 billion to cover losses in this program Bob?

Here's a thought, let's make it illegal for any business to contribute to a candidate if they want to do business with the government. How's that sound? Pretty fair proposition.

C'mon Bob -- Answer me.

Don't...you won't get an answer from VaginalProbe bOb...and if you do, chances are it'll be as ignorant as the rest of his drivel.

Bob

Got to encourage you to go after federal energy subsidies. How about we phase out ethanol production subsidies. "Gasohol" is not commercially economic without federal subsidy. Gonna have to be the Democrats though, the money goes to the red states.

Concern - let me remind you Obama was, what, 8? Romney was in his what, 40's????? 'nuff said, nitwit!

To Insane Insanity:

Are you ok? are you having a bad day? The point here is that Bill Clinton carries allot more wait than Murkowski. The other point was that it looks like you the lefty Liberal and company are trying to get something to counter what Bill is saying.

Good night, going home to my husband and children. I have had too much fun already.

This sounds to meet like the left is looking for another bone to pick. Not even close.

Let me remind you of the dog that was on Mitts pickup and the one that Obama ate. Which one do you think you would like to be?

Hope you are giving up your day job for comedic writing - the only response worthy of your wit is a wide-YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!!!!

SEEKING: Once a dog eater, always a dog eater.

what is so bad about eating a dog if you are starving, really its not illegal, in some places its a delicacy, and i bet there are worse things we eat on a daily biases then eating dog meat, at least you know that you are actually are eating meat, do you even know what is in the "hamburger" from McDonald's that you ate. and what about all the other animals we eat cows, pigs, chicken, deer, ect when you get down to it, meat is meat (even humans are just meat, but that would cannibalism if we ate human meat, and that is disgusting) did you know that hotdogs and sausages where made out of pig intestine tracks, you know the organ in your body where your crap goes through. don't get me started on the liver, the Organ that filters the toxins out of your body so you don't die, and some people in America call THAT a delicacy.

Enough with the dogs already.

Please!

thetotas:

Enough with the dogs already.

just saying, some Americans are so hypocritical with their views.

I get what your saying, but how gross. What about kosher dogs?

Besides, it was a station wagon not a pickup. Scott Brown is the centerfold, pick up, barn coat sorta loser.

thetotas:

I get what your saying, but how gross. What about kosher dogs?

i just don't eat hot dogs, you don't know what you could be getting in them. in my humble opinion avoid fast food in general, thous chicken nuggets at McDonalds only have 30% meat in them, they are mostly just fat ground up and pressed to look like meat. and lets not forget about the pink slime incident.

i just don't eat hot dogs,

Me either!

Sorry... I'm just not a fan of ingesting 'lips & @!$%#s'...

Organ that filters the toxins out of your body so you don't die,

Like slathering it in bacon & onions make it any healthier... EWWW!

On occasion I will have a kosher dog, but I will be checking that off my list. As far as fast food, no can do, I am a germaphobe.

Feisty

Like slathering it in bacon & onions make it any healthier... EWWW!

some of the things we eat day to day is actually really disturbing when you start reading up on what goes into making it.

thetotas:

On occasion I will have a kosher dog, but I will be checking that off my list

sorry if i disturbed you, but i kinda have a habit at pointing out details people like to avoid, im debating on whether or not i should tell you how they make thous cherries they put on top of your ice-cream.

Not a big fan of ice-cream, but I love cherries so please don't tell me. ;)

I never heard how they were made, but after I read how they were found in a garbage dump after many, many years and they were the only thing that were totally intact without any decomposing.

I never ate another plastic cherry.

How this one Annoyed, the nitrous oxide in the whipped cream cans are worse for global warming than carbon particles as the nitrous oxide is not usually released in quantities by nature and it takes much less of it to speed up the greenhouse effect. I learned this in a weather class and have not been able to buy the convenient cans since.

This teacher thought that the greenhouse effect is what made Earth habitable. He then showed us graphs that showed how fast Earth was heating up now compared to before in our history. I don't think there is anyway to learn about the weather and our Earth and not believe in man made global warming.

This is the main reason why republicans are so against education. Because once you learn the truth you can't believe their lies anymore.

actually we did, Jimmy Carter installed solar panels on the white house hoping to inspire people to work on green energy, but Regan tore them down, and let the solar- energy tax credits and research subsides expire. that was in 1986 more then 30 years ago, where would we be if we had been improving green tech for 30 years.

dbo, Toyota started research on the Prius in 1967. Long before the Oil Embargo. It took that long before it became commercially viable. And it was done by a private company no less. You can't throw money at technology and hope it will change things overnight.

Rocco no it wont change overnight, but if you don't spend money on something like that you will never get anywhere.

You seem to be forgetting that Toyota is a Japanese company and most of their research was and still is subsidized by the Japanese government. What is subsidized by the Chinese government is copycat research into American products. They are going to eat our lunch on solar products.

As I understand it - a sizable portion of Solyndra's failure can be traced to the Chinese government fully subsidizing their solar companies - which allowed those companies to sell to the US at cut-throat prices.

I also understand the Chinese are funding the living hell out of solar research.

Meanwhile, back in the US, we're all still squabbling if its a Dem-thing or a Repub-thing...... or maybe just a 'thang' in general..... Silly Americans.......

Mark:

I also understand the Chinese are funding the living hell out of solar research.

we could have been doing that for 30 years.