Bill Clinton says Romney would be 'calamitous for our country'

Former President Bill Clinton is joining forces again with President Barak Obama and holding a series of New York fundraisers. Politico's Roger Simon discusses.

NEW YORK - After earning headlines for becoming the latest Democrat to speak positively of Mitt Romney's history in the private sector, Bill Clinton made clear exactly whose side he's on when he hit the Big Apple on Monday for three joint fundraising appearances with President Barack Obama.

Electing the Republican nominee would be "calamitous for our country and the world" Clinton said at a reception in private home where tickets went for $40,000.  And at the New Amsterdam Theatre near Times Square, he said: "I don't think it's important to re-elect the president, I think it's essential to re-elect the president."


 

 The trip came less than a week after Clinton drew headlines for becoming the most prominent Democrat to undercut the president's attacks against Romney for his time at Bain Capital.  In an interview on CNN last Thursday, the former president said Romney "had a sterling business career" and described his time as an executive at a private equity firm as "good work."

And while Clinton did not walk back any of his earlier remarks, he found plenty of other ways to build a case against the former Massachusetts governor.

"They tell you how terrible this health care bill is," Clinton said of Republicans.  "It's hard for them, since Gov. Romney's finest act as governor was to sign a bill with an individual mandate in it, which he has now renounced."

Clinton introduced the president at all three appearances here.  Obama asked for his donors support in what he acknowledged will be a tight race, all the while maintaining that he stands for the same issues he did during his 2008 run. 

"The only reason that this is going to be a close election is because people are still hurting," the president said at the theatre.

But it is a slip of the tongue at the last event that may garner the most attention from the day trip.  "We are not going back to a set of politics that say you're on you're own.  And that's essentially the theory of the other side.  You know, George Romney," Obama said, referring to the Republican nominee's father before quickly correcting himself.

Both Romney and Obama have been working furiously to raise cash in an election that will have plenty of money influencing it aside from what the candidates rake in.  Speaking before the crowd that paid at least $250 to hear a concert and two presidents, Obama addressed the role outside groups will play in this year's election.  

"Sometimes when thing are tough, you just say, well you know what, I'll just keep trying something until something works.  And that's compounded by $500 million in Super PAC negative ads that are going to be run over the course of the next five months," he said.  "And they'll try to feed on those fears and those anxieties and that frustrations.  That's basically the argument the other side is making.  They're not offering anything new, they're just saying 'Things are tough right now and it's Obama's fault.' That pretty much sums it up.  There's no vision for the future there."

Still, any drop in enthusiasm from his base was hard to decipher.

"I still believe in you," Obama said to the theatre crowd that interrupted him multiple times with standing ovations. "I hope you still believe in me...when people ask you what this campaign is about, tell them it's still about hope, it's still about change." 

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Clinton's anti-Romney rant at a fund raiser comes on the heals of his comments last week that upset the Democrat base by saying Romney's career at Bain was "Stellar" Now clinton comes back with Romney will be a disaster.

What a joke, same ol B S politics that Obama said in 2008 he would end! Today, it is worse!

Nobama 2012 !!!

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Reply#132 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

Romney is the last of the string of fools the GOP has paraded in front of the world...........pathetic.

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#132.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

Deborah, your are the last string of fools that are crazy enough to defend this socialist Obama, it is very clear you do not know what you are talking about.

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#132.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

Brent, Being stellar at Bain does not mean he is presidential material. Which he is not.

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#132.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:41 PM EDT
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A SMALL SAMPLING OF THE MANY LIES OF Willard Mitt Romney

"100,000 new jobs." Romney has repeatedly claimed that during his tenure at Bain Capital, "net-net, we created over 100,000 jobs." His campaign defends the figure by tallying the current employment totals of some companies Bain aided. That's a stretch in and of itself, but it's also not a net figure. It lacks the balancing context of how many jobs were destroyed by Bain. As the Los Angeles Times reported in December, while Bain helped some companies grow, "Romney and his team also maximized returns by firing workers, seeking government subsidies, and flipping companies quickly for large profits. Sometimes Bain investors gained even when companies slid into bankruptcy."

Indeed, the Wall Street Journal looked closely at Bain's record under Romney and found that 22 percent "either filed for bankruptcy or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested, sometimes with substantial job losses." Which is not really terribly surprising: Bain's raison d'etre is not job creation but wealth creation for its investors. As Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler noted in an article Monday calling Romney's "100,000 jobs" figure "untenable," Romney and Bain "never could have raised money from investors if the prospectus seeking $1-million investments from the super wealthy had said it would focus on creating jobs."

As a corollary, when Romney's record has been criticized, he has dismissed criticisms as an attempt to "put free enterprise on trial." It's not an attack on free enterprise. It's an attack on Romney's strained attempt to spin his successful record of wealth-creation into one of job-creation. It's also a recognition that while a net good, the free market has its destructive side—and it's a fair question to ask, whether voters consider experience in that sort of vulture capitalism as a good qualification for the presidency. Do they want government to be run more like that kind of business?

[See a collection of political cartoons on Mitt Romney.]

Obama's jobs record. By Romney's own logic (touting jobs created but ignoring jobs lost), his attacks on President Obama's economic record are nonsensical. He told Time that Obama "has not created any new jobs," and he told Fox News last week that Obama has "lost" 2 million jobs as president. This is indeed a net figure, but also a misleading one. When Obama took office, the economy was shedding jobs at a rate of nearly 1 million jobs per month, losing roughly 3 million during the first four months of 2009. But presidential policies don't take effect as soon as the incoming chief takes his oath. Once Obama's policies started to take effect, the trend turned. The country had added 3.2 million private sector jobs over the course of 22 straight months of private sector growth. By Romney's definition, the president has created more than 3 million jobs—not enough, but also not none.

[Read the U.S. News debate: Will Mitt Romney Be the GOP Presidential Nominee?]

In fact the biggest drag on job growth is the 600,000 public sector jobs that have disappeared under the auspices of budget austerity. As my colleague Danielle Kurtzleben reported in September, "government jobs are being shed by the tens of thousands almost every month, hindering an already weak recovery."

"Entitlement society." Romney has argued that Obama "is replacing our merit-based, opportunity society with an entitlement society," where "everyone is handed the same rewards, regardless of education, effort, and willingness to take risk." As New York's Jonathan Chait has observed, "This accusation is approximately as accurate as claiming that the Republican Party wants to pass laws forbidding poor people from making more money." The idea that President Obama (or any Democrat) advocates for equality of outcomes simply lacks a basis in fact.

[See a collection of political cartoons on the budget and deficit.]

It's an important fabrication, because it marks a turning point in Romney's attacks on Obama. Previously the president was characterized as ineffectual, but not a socialist. Forced to battle to win the GOP primaries, Romney has adopted the Tea Party's extremist rhetoric. It won't play with swing voters, even delivered in his polished drone.

Defense cuts. In an October speech on national security, Romney promised to "reverse President Obama's massive defense cuts." One problem: Pentagon spending has gone up under Obama, from $594 billion in 2008 to $666 billion. The 2011 request was for $739 billion. As Rick Perry would say, "Oops."

[Read the U.S. News debate: Are Cuts to the Defense Budget Necessary?]

No apologies. Romney has said that Obama "went around the world and apologized for America." This is part of the conservative, dog-whistle meme that Obama is un-American (and possibly even a foreigner!). While the notion of an international apology tour is a staple of the conservative case against Obama, it is also fictitious. The Washington Post's fact-checker concluded that "the claim that Obama repeatedly has apologized for the United States is not borne out by the facts, especially if his full quotes are viewed in context." Don't hold your breath waiting for an apology from Romney on this one.

Medicare cuts. Romney said that Obama is "the only president to ever cut $500 billion from Medicare." So as we said then, and repeated several times since, the health care law reduces the amount of future spending growth in Medicare. But it doesn't cut Medicare.

The rest of Romney’s statement implies that Obama is doing something no other president has done -- making cuts (which he isn’t).

Military Strength. Romney said The U.S. military is at risk of losing its "military superiority" because "our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947." However, a wide range of experts told us it’s wrong to assume that a decline in the number of ships or aircraft automatically means a weaker military. Quite the contrary: The United States is the world’s unquestioned military leader today, not just because of the number of ships and aircraft in its arsenal but also because each is stocked with top-of-the-line technology and highly trained personnel.

Thanks to the development of everything from nuclear weapons to drones, comparing today’s military to that of 60 to 100 years ago presents an egregious comparison of apples and oranges. Today’s military and political leaders face real challenges in determining the right mix of assets to deal with current and future threats, but Romney’s glib suggestion that today’s military posture is in any way similar to that of its predecessors in 1917 or 1947 is preposterous.

Free Economy. Romney said "We're only inches away from no longer being a free economy." there is little indication that the government’s role has risen dramatically enough over the past few years to threaten the kind of free market that the U.S. has operated under in recent decades. And international comparisons show that the U.S. ranks low in both total tax burden and high in economic freedom -- at least as measured by a prominent conservative think tank.

Health care act. Romney said “Eliminating "Obamacare" ... "saves $95 billion a year."

Romney said repealing the health care law would save $95 billion a year. But that only accounts for outlays in one year, 2016. Because of the revenue sources that the law established, repealing it actually adds significantly to the deficit over the long haul, according to the CBO. Romney’s is statement False.

Mitt Romney ad says labor board tried to block Boeing from building factory in South Carolina.

The NLRB’s complaint started a legal process that could ultimately have resulted in a factory closure, but the NLRB as a whole didn’t tell Boeing anything. What’s more, the legal basis for the action centered on whether Boeing was punishing the union for staging strikes, not that Boeing had opened a factory in a right-to-work state. the statement is False.

Says Barack Obama said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose."

Obama was quoting John McCain. Romney took the words way out of context. Obama said in the speech. "Sen. McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.’"

Says Barack Obama "never worked in the private sector" before he was elected president.

Some of the relevant jobs in Obama’s work history include:

— A stint in 1983-84 as a research assistant at Business International Corp. in New York City, where he helped write a newsletter.

— Working from 1985 to 1988 as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project in Chicago;

— Working from 1993 to 2004 as an associate, and then a partner, at the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, where his work included employment-discrimination and voting-rights cases.

Obama’s State of the Union Speech. Romney said "He gave a speech the other day at his State of the Union address. He didn't even mention the deficit or the debt” At least six different times in his 2012 State of the Union address, Obama mentioned the debt or deficit by name.

"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

And there's no question that some key people in the Romney campaign are well-connected lobbyists:

• Kaufman, a senior adviser to Romney, is chairman of Dutko Worldwide, which has lobbied for American Pacific Corp., American Trans Air, Amgen, AT&T; – and that's just some of the As.

• Ben Ginsberg, the campaign's national counsel, is a partner in the firm Patton Boggs, a large lobbying firm that has represented Kaiser Aluminum, Lucent Technologies, the Venetian Casino Resort and many others. His bio on the firm's Web site boasts that "Mr. Ginsberg represents a variety of clients on Capitol Hill on a wide range of issues including appropriations, trade, broadcasting and health care."

• Cardenas is chairman of the Romney Hispanic Steering Committee, a finance co-chairman for the campaign and a frequent spokesman for Romney. He is a partner in Tew Cardenas, a lobbying firm with offices in Washington, Miami and Tallahassee. Records show he has lobbied for Progress Energy, Bell South, the Florida Association of Realtors and the Recreational Fishing Alliance, among others. His Web site boasts that "He has been named as one of Washington, D.C.'s top lobbyists by The Hill newspaper."

• Comstock, an adviser and frequent spokeswoman for the Romney campaign, is a founding partner of Comstock Corallo, which has lobbied for the Hearst Corp. and the National Association of Broadcasters.

"Mitt." It's a small one, but might be my favorite. During a debate in November, when moderator Wolf Blitzer introduced himself by saying that "Wolf" is really his first name, Romney greeted the audience by saying, "I'm Mitt Romney, and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name." In fact, Willard is his first name. It's a lie notable for being so mundane: Why would someone fudge their name? It's almost as if he can't control himself.

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Reply#133 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

Indeed, the Wall Street Journal looked closely at Bain's record under Romney and found that 22 percent "either filed for bankruptcy or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested,

I will take the 22% failure rate of Romney while at Bain who bought companies that were headed towards failure and they tried to save them or restucture if they were destined to go down anyway. Vs. Obama's record ANY DAY !!!!!

here is just a few for Examples:

Solyndra - Total Failure 100%

Chevy Volt - 100% Failure , planned to sell 35K units as of Jan only sold 5K units And funded by U S taxpayers under the direction of Owebama and Company! It actually costs more in electricity and just as high carbon to drive a Volt more than a 10 mile commute.

Cap and trade- based on voodoo science and yet Obama and Al Gore says Global warming is real and soon all coastal cities will be under water due to the melting of polar ice. Then what does Al do, he buys a $6 Million mansion in Montecito, CA located, right on the coast!

U S Deficit - 100% Failure

Compromise with Congress - 100% Failure and led to our credit rating downgrade last year!

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#133.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

Has anyone ever read one of these huge cut and paste jobs? Try to have an original thought.

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#133.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:56 PM EDT
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This is just a another stupid attempt to twist or turn the attention from Obama. Obama "IS" the calamitous one.

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Reply#134 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 6:42:06 AM by Reaganite Republican

The fact is that Mitt Romney is an unprincipled chameleon with ZERO core beliefs... a synthetic, calculated opportunism has taken their place.
Meanwhile, most of what he actually has said and done betrays a Big-Government social liberal.

Other fun facts regarding this 'conservative' fraud's
past actions, positions, and failures:

  • refused to endorse the 1994 GOP "Contract with America"
  • distanced himself from the Reagan legacy: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush"
  • lost GOP House seats in both Massachusetts elections of his tenure, 2004/2006 (leaving Republicans with the least # of seats there since the Civil War)
  • strongly supported gay rights until it was time to run for president in 2007
  • passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters (75%) of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced as Governor, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents – including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights
  • sold RomneyCare as a "conservative idea" even as it inflicted an unconstitutional mandate on Massachusetts residents and created a vast new bureaucracy
  • claims he didn't raise taxes are based on deception: he had called them "fees" instead- and inflicted over 100 of them
  • increased annual state fees by $500 million as governor and proposed two corporate tax increases totaling close to $400 million a year.
  • spoke repeatedly of his support for "strong gun laws" that "protect us"
  • although not at all required to do so, Romney proclaimed a Massachusetts "Youth Gay Pride Day"
  • When challenged by Fred Thompson in debate, Romney said he "likes mandates" and "on the national level"
  • Romney is an underhanded scumbag who sent "attack teams" out to politically damage perceived threat Sarah Palin
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Reply#135 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:49 PM EDT

I still believe in you...I hope you still believe in me...when people ask you what this campaign is about, tell them it's still about hope, it's still about change.

I think a lot of people are going to jump from the fire and into the pan this election.

    Reply#136 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

    The Republicans need a platform that appeals top the majority of the country, not to please just a few of the the very privileged. This has been their problem for the last three years. They just don't get it. The Super Pacs make their image blowup in their own faces, and it makes them, look like they want to buy the Presidency, and truthfully more and more people I know that have been and are current Republicans have said they won't vote that way come November. Compromise escaped that mentality and the public is fed up with the obstructionism that gets greater with every passing day. I'm afraid the Grand Old Party lost it's shine and glitter three years ago and it will take a decade to erase that grime all over it.

      Reply#137 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

      Joe, don't understand your logic? if we continue down the path of the Dems we are headed for Total Failure and we end up like the P I I G S!! Doesn't matter if you are rich or poor the entire country is F d ?

      What is it about we are still at 8% unemployment while each of the last 3 years we have had a $1.5 Trillion deficit, that you don't understand??????? Obama has added 5 Trillion in just 3 years to our debt and growing, what do have to show for it? Oh, we added 59K jobs last month Great!!

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      #137.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:55 PM EDT

      Brent....you are aware, although you will deny it, that $3 trillion of the $5 trillion are for the 2 unfunded wars, and Medicare Part D?

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      #137.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

      Yes, the wars that were voted on by Congress, Both Dems and Republicans voted to go to war from the information presented from the CIA and overall intelligence community.

      Even Obama stated in 2004 that he supported the war and Bush's policies regarding the war at that time. Owebama has flopped several times about supporting the war since his speech in 2002, when he was against, then in 2004 he was ok with the war, then he had to attack Bush to help Kerry in the election, so then he switched back to Bush 's policies were bad.... etc. etc. and you guys say Romney was a Flopper! LOL

      What matters is what our President does in 2009 to promote a strong economy. Obama focused on , and then Cap and Trade- both are job killers! + he has shut down drilling for oil in the Gulf, ANWAR, and Keystone Look at all the jobs lost as a result, not to mention the higher gas prices and then more loss of jobs as wages are replaced by higher transportation costs for companies. Owebama is a disaster! Now we are headed down another show down in congress over a budget the Dems in the Senate have not passed for 3 years! And another possible lower credit rating as a result Owebama needs to lead us out of this mess but he is stuck on partisan dirty politics, blaming the other side! America has had enough. NOBAMA 2012 !!!

        #137.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:57 PM EDT
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        Notwithstanding the religious zealots and bigots, the GOP was a world wide leader when it came to rethinking government, but now it is an intellectual pygmy overrun by complete nuts and led by the likes of Rush Oxycontin Lintball and his ilk

        The true fiscal conservatives are the only sane people left in the Party of Lincoln

        Reagan, the GOP icon, couldn't get the GOP nomination in this environment......he raised taxes, raised the debt ceiling, believed in compromise and was for immigration reform, which means that FOX (Dumb FUX News) and Rush would have called him a traitor and a RINO

        Lincoln must be breakdancing in his grave

          Reply#138 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

          Unforgiven - you are either in a Union or on Foodstamps or Both ? Spoken like the true libera M r on you are.

          What is it about 8% + unemployment after spending $5 Trillion in just 3 years that you don't understand?

          yep, more "Change" yada yada yada !

            #138.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

            Brenda

            Neither dips**t nor am I a liberal Democrat......true Independent thank you

            I guess you are a card carrying member of the GOP fake christian Stupid Party

            By the way, which part of separation of powers don't you understand.....the President isn't the king (Breaking News)

            The GOP can always count on the christian crazies and the impressively stupid to mislead

            FYI: The no teeth fools living in trailer parks in the so-called bible belt are going to miss their food stamps too

              #138.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:46 PM EDT
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              Really, lets make sure we give the right another shot at destroying the country.

              As for jobs, it's the trend that's important, not a data point. Like anything, one data point means nothing especially if we're talking about things with a scope like unemployment, the debt, GDPs, etc...

                Reply#139 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:05 PM EDT

                Bill Clinton said: "Romney would be calamitous for the country". Bill Clinton LIED! ........ again.

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                Reply#140 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:05 PM EDT

                Mr. Bill always lies, that is the way he works, and it seems that Obama is just like him.

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                #140.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

                Remember, please, it was the Tower of Integrity who said:

                ""I stand by what I said, whatever it was."

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                #140.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:15 PM EDT
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                One of Mitt Romney’s chief selling points as a presidential candidate is his business background and self-proclaimed ability to create jobs and boost a lagging economy -- a point frequently trotted out on the campaign trail in economically downtrodden swing states such as Ohio.

                Yet, Romney’s record from his days as Massachusetts governor paints a different portrait, that of a politician who swept into office with big promises and a Harvard MBA but who failed to create a meaningful number of jobs for his home state and lacked a clear, concrete economic vision.

                Economists from Massachusetts also say Romney was never able to solve the structural problems inherent in the state’s economy — issues that now plague the country as a whole and will challenge whoever becomes president in 2013 -- such as the decline in manufacturing and the dearth of employment for less-educated, low-income workers.

                “There is nothing in his record as governor that shows he knows how to address economic failures,” says Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. “The thing that’s bothered me most about the Romney campaign is this major distortion of his record.”

                When Gov. Romney took office in January 2003, the state was reeling from the rise and fall of the tech bubble in the early 2000s -- a particularly tough blow for Massachusetts, heavy with top-notch biotechnology companies and tech start-ups. These were conditions that Romney inherited, along with an unemployment rate of 5.6 percent. Over the course of Romney’s term, the state’s unemployment rate fell to 4.7 percent.

                Yet, look closer at the actual number of jobs created over that time period, and a decidedly less positive picture emerges. By 2007, the state had created roughly 45,800 new jobs, according to federal data, and that’s during a period the Romney camp spins as a time of economic recovery. Manufacturing employment in Massachusetts declined by more than 14 percent, according to Sum’s research, and the unemployment rate would have been much higher, local economists say, were it not for the droves of young college graduates and residents who left the state to live in lower-cost areas.

                http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/romney-s-massachusetts-job-record-not-as-great-as-he-wants-you-to-think-20120309

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                Reply#141 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

                Therman, can you actually type something in your own words, or are you just going to continue to cut and past the trash you get from the AFL CIO and NAACP handbook? Here is a challenge for ya

                Try finding something that is positive about Obama's record ??????

                  Reply#142 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

                  This is hilarious. Obama says that all the Republicans can do is point to the ailing economy and claim it is Obama's fault. Obama says the Republicans have no "vision." Then, Clinton says (after last week being somewhat courteous to Romney) that a Romney presidency would be "calamitous" for the country. Then Obama reaffirms his committment to "hope" and "change", whatever that means.

                  So, the Republican Mitt Romney is calamitous because he has no vision. Yet, Obama who has not offered his 2nd term vision either, beyond "hope" and "change", is somehow the one we need to re-elect? What's your vision for the next 4 years, Mr. Obama? You just critcized your opponent for not having one? What's yours? More debt? Higher taxes? More drone strikes? What?

                  I may or may not vote for Romney. I haven't decided if he has earned my vote or not. But Obama? Talking out of both sides of his mouth with Slick Willy? Seriously? Politics is so damned depressing.

                    Reply#143 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:18 PM EDT

                    Keep up the name calling, Chris...just like all Republicans.

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                    #143.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:13 PM EDT
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                    Romney committed voter fraud

                    Republican presidential front-runner Mitt Romney has survived the heated GOP nominating contest so far without attracting significant attention to what may become a general election issue: allegations that he committed voter fraud in 2010. In January 2010 the former Massachusetts governor proudly cast a ballot for Republican Scott Brown in the special election to replace the late Sen. Ted Kennedy. He didn’t own property in the state at the time, and had registered to vote listing his son’s unfinished basement as his residence. Massachusetts law defines a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000.

                    The issue was first raised last year, after long-shot GOP candidate Fred Karger traveled to Romney’s former community of Belmont and interviewed members of his former church — who informed Karger that the Romneys had moved — and their former realtor, who told him, “Oh, they moved to California.” Additionally, Karger claimed that Ann Romney told him that the couple lived in California.

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                    Reply#144 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

                    You people wio are still afraid of Bill Clinton need to grow up and get over it. You're only pissed because he did more to help this country then that last 5 Rupublicans Administrations. Republicans are still, and always will be the party known for "POLITICS WITHOUT PRINCIPLE."

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                    Reply#145 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:06 PM EDT

                    Word of wisdom from a man with lipstick on his dipstick that was not Hillary's......

                      Reply#146 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

                      And you keep on molesting that 9 year old boy? Or, have you stopped?

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                      #146.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:11 PM EDT
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                      Since when is a democrat not supporting a republican news?

                        Reply#147 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                        Clinton is right! It would be tough for liberals if Romney comes in and abolishes prostitutes and free sex for Democrats. Heck, the Secret Service wouldn't know what to do! The oval office carpet would stay clean! Pelosi would lose her financiers if she couldn't pay 'em back - grin, this one is probably way off. Back to Clinton. It is important that immoral people run the US! Let the women of Afghanistan suffer! Let the women and children of Syria die! Make sure that the women of the US have birth control pills and abortion access so that Bill and his Democrats can take advantage of them. Don't women understand that Clinton is a JOHN? That Clinton despises intelligent women? Heck, Hillary doesn't go near him for fear of clap!

                          Reply#148 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

                          Jamie, you are a sick person. A very sick person. As for the Secret Service. Were they all men? Have men changed any since the cave? They will just keep on keeping on. It is in their nature, not right, but still in their nature. Nothing will change.

                            #148.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

                            JAMIE: Exactly WTF is your inane, disjointed, rambling and most of all factless little rant about???

                            "Let the woman of Syria suffer"??? What do you propose, that we invade them too? Sorry buddy, but President Obama thinks more about the lives of our troops than to start another ill conceived & poorly executed war. And FYI, even many Republican agree that military strikes are out to the question. Syria has very hi tech and capable air defenses. This is not Libya where we can fly over at will. We are keeping the pressure on them through sanctions and hopefully in time they will reap us results.

                            And anytime you want to compare Republican sex scandals to that of Democrats, that'sa challenge I'll gladly make with you. Does the name Senator Larry Craig ring a bell with you??? You know, the guy with the "wide stance".

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                            #148.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

                            Jamie: "That Clinton despises intelligent women?"

                            If that is the case, you have nothing to worry about, you certainly are NOT an

                            intelligent woman.

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                            #148.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:10 PM EDT
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                            For those of you who keep bringing up Solyndra and keep putting on President Obama, please read the following:

                            "Dear Nashua Patch,

                            Many Republicans have claimed that President Obama rushed the loan guarantee to Solyndra for nefarious gains for some of his supporters.

                            Not true. As it turns out, Solyndra was a company that Bush put forward.

                            On January 19, one day before Obama’s inauguration, Bush was still trying to get the loan for Solyndra. The Department of Energy tabled the loan saying that is wasn’t ready for a conditional commitment. President Obama strengthened the loan application putting in more safeguards, and the loan was approved by the DOE.

                            Republicans indicate that it was a pay-for-play situation, as George Kaiser, an Obama supporter, invested in Solyndra but forgot to mention that CMEA Capital, Redpoint Ventures, US Venture Partners and Madrone Capital Partners, an arm of the Walton (Wal-Mart) family, Republicans, invested in total $78,200,000 in Solyndra. Mitt Romney said that the “Inspector General said that the administration steered money to friends and family and corporate contributors.”

                            That is a lie. What the Inspector General said was that they looked into the matter and found nothing. Darrell Issa, (Rep.) Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee looked into it and found no criminal or political wrongdoing.

                            What is Solyndra? The inventors at Solyandra came up with a product, cylinders with a secret sauce (without silicon) inside that produced 20 percent more wattage than the conventional solar panels and they could produce them at the same cost of solar panels coming from China.

                            Why did it fail? One of the key products in solar panels is silicon; at the time Solyndra started the price of silicon was very high. New silicon deposits drove the price down by 50 percent and therefore drove the price of solar panels down at the same rate. The cost advantage was over for Solyndra. No hanky panky there, just math. Good news for American solar panel companies. Of all the loans given out by the DOE under Obama, Solyndra represents 1.3 percent and the only one that has failed.

                            Mitt Romney has opened up a can of worms for himself; while he was Governor of Massussetts he gave tens of millions of dollars to three start ups, Teleflex/Astrodyne, Acaphere and Spheric Inc. and Evergreen Solar. Coincidently the CEOs of these companies all gave hefty contribution to his political campaign.

                            Sincerely,

                            Rebecca Fee

                            Salem, NH"

                            Sometimes the best things in life is copy and paste.

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                            Reply#149 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                            SLIGHTLY: Excellen post. Right on the money.

                            It proves what a shameless, blatant liar Willard is. And he keeps repeating these lies over and over again. It's not like it was a case of him "misspeaking".

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                            #149.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

                            Nice try, the difference is team Owebama KNEW in 2010 and 2011 that Solyndra was going to go BK BUT like the idiots they are, they gave them the money anyway! Bush was long gone! This is typical left arugment that fails once you apply a little logic.

                            Frustrate a Liberal, present LOGIC !

                              #149.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:10 PM EDT

                              BrentOC, sorry, but you are wrong. Bush may have been gone but not all the money that the Republicans invested. Solyndra was not a Democrat thing, but also a Republican thing. And, the money invested in it by the Republicans was substantial. There is a place for solar energy otherwise the rich would not be investing so richly in it.

                                #149.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:35 PM EDT
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                                what are Romneys positions- I have watched about 20 debates, listened to his surrogates but still have no idea what his positions are. Amazing- is Mr Etch a Stekch- still trying to figure out his core beliefs?

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                                Reply#150 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

                                Impossible to answer, it depends upon what day you ask him.

                                I can say with a fair amount of authority however, that virtually every position he held when Governor of Massachusetts he has reversed himself on. It's enough to make you puke.

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                                #150.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

                                Romney's positions are very clear.....he summed them up in one sentence:

                                "I stand by what I said, whatever it was."

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                                #150.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

                                Yep, just like Owebama saying there are "57 States" or "Army Corps Men" AKA ( he pronounced as korps, F N Moron)

                                Or "My Muslim Faith" in interview with Stephanopolous. Or "Change we can Believe in" LOL !!!

                                When a guys says, I stand by what I said whatever it was" it means that he speaks the truth and if he said it, despite not recalling what exactly he said, he meant it and it was the TRUTH !! unlike Owebama, that will say anything depending who his audience is at the time, Obama would really struggle to remember what was typed-up for him on that Teleprompter.

                                  #150.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

                                  BrentOC. Go back to the playground and play with the other little ones. The 57 states meant that he had been to several states more than once on the campaign trail. I seem to have a habit of mispronouncing things once in a while. The brain gets many things going at a time and sometimes it just backfires.

                                  And, your "My Muslin Faith"...say it was true, so what. Do we not have freedom of religion in the United States. I am pretty sure we do. Also freedom from religion. I am a Christian, I believe in the Lord, etc. but I am not a lying conservative that believes that everything is wrong in the eyes of God. Most of the conservatives could not tell you what is in the Bible or especially the Book/verse, if it is in the Bible. Then they quote out of context one little section.

                                  President Obama speaks very well without a teleprompter. President Bush is the one that couldn't use one as he had dyslexia. And, there is nothing wrong with that as he was very successful in life as are all dyslexic people.

                                  So what is your point. My points just wrapped themselves around yours and crushed them.

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                                  #150.4 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:45 PM EDT
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                                  Bill Clinton should know. He is well known for his calamitous affair with Monica Lewinski -- the affair he denied having (under oath). The affair that brought him up for impeachment --which he luckily slithered away from unharmed.

                                    Reply#151 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

                                    mathuin. Old news, and by the way men and women have been doing it since the beginning. And, would you tell the truth with your wife there. I think not. Grow up, you need to get past the thrill of the Clinton affair.

                                      #151.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:48 PM EDT
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                                      VOTE for ROMNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will destroy the middle class and the elderly, poor.

                                      Sock it to me!!!!! I want more!!!!!!!!!! I haven't lost my Home yet!!!!!

                                      At the end of George W. Bush's Presidency the USA was losing 700,000 jobs a month!!!!!!!!!

                                      George W. Bush: In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of jobs in the United States in 34 years.[131] The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost.[132] By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million jobs.

                                      The only thing I can do is laugh at the Republicans!!!! THEY JUST CAN'T WAIT!!!

                                      Republicans have not had enough, they want MORE!!!! of the SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      Republicans have brain DAMAGE!!! Caused by listening to FOX NEWS, THE EIB NETWORK!!!!

                                      Republicans can't wait to get the Voucher so they can buy their own Health Insurance!!!

                                      The Rich and the Stock Market will go wild when Republicans Privatize Social Security!!!

                                      And all of us will get screwed!!!

                                      I hear Republicans talk of Fiscal Responsibility!!!!

                                      Romney commented that COMPANIES ARE PEOPLE TOO!!! Then if companies are people "WHY DON'T THEY PAY TAXES LIKE PEOPLE DO"

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                                      Reply#152 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:48 PM EDT

                                      Both parties can be blamed for the housing crisis! The Dems refused to tighten loan guidelines and allowed stated income loans at high Loan to value ratios. The Republicans tried several time to get Fannie and Freddie to stop supporting these risky loans...... the rest is histroy!

                                      + The Liberals/Dems have "Brain Damage" listening to CNN, ABC, MSNBC, CBS , the New York Times, George Gooney, George Soros, The Bluffington Post, The Sex n City Biatch etc.

                                        #152.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

                                        Brent, again, go out and play or at least study your spelling.

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                                        #152.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

                                        Brent thinks he can pick up his own turds by the clean end

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                                        #152.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:29 PM EDT
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                                        The Beat goes ON!!!

                                        This government worked!!! Bill Clinton reversed Reagan's course, raising taxes on the wealthy, and lowering them for the working and middle classes. This produced the longest sustained economic expansion in American history. Importantly, it also produced budgetary surpluses allowing the government to begin paying down the crippling debt begun under Reagan. In 2000, Clinton's last year, the surplus amounted to $236 billion. The forecast ten year surpluses stood at $5.6 trillion. It was the last black ink America would see for decades, perhaps forever.

                                          Reply#153 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

                                          Hey AJ what was your Email address back when Reagan was President?

                                          Point is Clinton inherited a great economy. Reagan ended the Cold War! Allowed Clinton to shut down our military bases and reduce spending. The U S was the tech capital in both manufacturing and inel of the entire world. China was still trying to steal our secrets back then. The credit for the "longest sustained economic expansion" goes to the smart guys at Microsoft, Intel, AOL, Broadband, Apple, H P, etc. etc.

                                          Clinton did know how to moisten a cigar though! blew the chance to kill Bin Laden oh, and Al was the "Father of the Internet" LOL

                                            #153.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:15 PM EDT

                                            Point is, Brent, your point is wrong!

                                            In 1992, 10 million Americans were unemployed, the country faced record deficits, and poverty and welfare rolls were growing. Family incomes were losing ground to inflation and jobs were being created at the slowest rate since the Great Depression.

                                            Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, economic growth has averaged 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the Reagan-Bush years. The economy has grown for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.

                                            The economy created more than 22.5 million jobs in less than eight years—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, are in the private sector.

                                            Sorry to pop your bubble

                                              #153.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:28 PM EDT
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                                              Republicans who have destroyed America!!! And the beat goes on!!!!!!!!!!

                                              1- Nixon

                                              2- Reagan

                                              3- H.W. Bush

                                              4- George W. Bush

                                              5- Mitt Romney

                                              The U.S. is starting to look like it is entering just such a death spiral. It is foretold not simply by the large and growing deficits, nor by the fact that their carrying costs will rise quickly as interest rates rise. Rather, it is the fact that these trends are becoming irreversible, a structural part of the U.S. economy.

                                              Richard Nixon: INFLATION!!! Our money is not worth ANYTHING!!!, this is why you pay $30,000 dollars for a car, and anything you buy is less product for more dollars!! Nixon convened a summit of his economic advisers at Camp David. He then announced temporary wage and price controls, allowed the dollar to float against other currencies, and ended the convertibility of the dollar into gold, which made the dollar’s value POLITICAL DOLLARS!!!! Just print more money!!!!

                                              Herbert Stein, Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Richard Nixon was fond of saying, Things that can't go on forever, don't.

                                              Ronald Reagan: Reagan cut the marginal tax rate on the wealthiest of Americans from 70% to 38%. He promised it would spur an orgy of investment and rocket the economy to new levels of production and prosperity. Instead, his supply side economics did the exact opposite. It produced the deepest recession since the Great Depression.

                                              Watergate Scandal The Watergate scandal resulted in 69 government officials being charged and 48 being found guilty, and the resignation of President Reagan.

                                              H.W.Bush: By 1992, interest and inflation rates were the lowest in years, but by midyear the unemployment rate reached 7.8 percent, the highest since 1984.[11] In September 1992, the Census Bureau reported that 14.2 percent of all Americans lived in poverty.

                                              George W. Bush: Initiated a 1.35 trillion tax cut program—one of the largest tax cuts in U.S. history.

                                              Bush argued that such a tax cut would stimulate the economy and create jobs. Others, including the Treasury Secretary at the time Paul O'Neill, were opposed to some of the tax cuts on the basis that they would contribute to budget deficits and undermine Social Security.

                                              By October 2008, due to increases in domestic and foreign spending, the national debt had risen to $11.3 trillion.

                                              Bush's tax cuts and the 10 year deficit explodes to a mind-boggling $7.9 trillion. Within ten years, the government will owe more than $15 trillion. And this, at precisely the time the government needs fiscal solvency to begin paying the Baby Boomers their Social Security.

                                              "The general fund has been borrowing from Social Security and we've borrowed well over $2 trillion," he said. "That money has got to be paid back.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                Reply#154 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

                                                Your list is pales in comparison to Carter and Obama, those 2 have done more damage than any list of Republicans you can come up with! Consumer confidence is at the lowest is has ever been since Carter!

                                                  #154.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

                                                  Typical Republican, denies the truth. Well done, Brent. Surprised you used no racial slurs or name-calling

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                                                  #154.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:25 PM EDT
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                                                  Personal Invectives Distract from Economic Growth: (Fear is Not Helpful)

                                                  The deeply fearful are perhaps, justified by their make up to live in fear and even the fear of challenging those fears.

                                                  Fear within the shadow of fear, it is very dark, and it's the last place to look for what it takes to find courage, the shadow is empty.

                                                  Those who labor in fear and within its shadows often find comfort with others in sharing fears.

                                                  This is an honest to goodness personality characteristic of people who often are preyed upon by the manipulators of fear, harvesting a ready constituency willing to find comfort.

                                                  The wolf's syndrome, the wolf's fear is to take caution; he will manipulate the fearful just as the talented herding dog gathers the sheep into a corner. I don't make conclusions, but decades of observation make the possibilities very clear, once clear the remaining details are just left behind.

                                                  Those observations are available for everyone with an interest and a long memory, but few take it further. We don't want to take advantage of others who act like the fearful the herd, it is immoral, and being right is more valuable, and easier to digest.

                                                  What is this? Except to understand that across several generations, we see each person and group clearly. What, when asking for the wisdom of a change would each person from the fear group agree with? The first, last and only instinct is to say No, no to 1930's problems, no to 1940's problems,
                                                  no to 1950's problems, no to 1960's problems, no to 1970's problems, no to 1980's problems, no to 1990's problems, no to 2000's problems, and no to 2010's problems. The "No" answer is not the least bit unexpected, in fact it is safe, guaranteed and it avoids knowing anything at all. These No people are inscrutable for any reason, no justification, no exchange of information, just one answer with a response and it is No.

                                                  The World that does change, sweeps the No away, and replaces it with growth. The fearful seeing growth and they are attracted to the sweetness, they feel safer. But as we see the No group does not have much to offer when growth slow or stops. This says nothing of their own-cautious gathered wealth which may have grown, but it amplifies the point about fear. If you went from pauper to king, from fearing starvation, to what else, but losing your kingdom you wealth, the king brings his fear along with him, and I am sure you can envision the king's problem, yielding wealth for risk and investment. The king does not yield the moat is filled and the draw bridge goes up.

                                                  Now what happens when the fearful become more fearful and with their new wealth to fear all the more, they chose to elect as their leader of the fearful, the most feared wolf, who then is taking the real risk? The fearful lead by the fearful are not going to take any such risk, are risk adverse and are ever so willing to accept their austere fate. Not taking risk and being well off translates well to those who accept their fate, they are not poor and will not starve, and so the austerity method of non-resourceful stagnation, becomes predominant in the risk-averse economic system. The risk adverse economic system cannot do anything but decline. The first few years of the Great Depression were the "No period" of deflation disaster, driven by fear until it became unbearable. Yes we can fear that this lengthy period will be repeated even as we know of the problem and waste that fore knowledge.

                                                  The advent of capitalism, circa 1700, has been marked by non-cyclic episodes where growth mishaps compounded by an ensuing decline caused by fear and then mislead by the more fearful, the "No people" or the risk averse, were after a time threated enough to do something, even if by a natural disaster or other human development. Were it not for the new world abundant resources and modern energy resources the growth over the past 300 years would be very, very different.

                                                  The continuing economic crises is highly informed, the concentration of fear and the concentration of wealth are at the highest level analogous to the Black/Death Plague Years 1348-1350. Analogous; not quite in the same order, but in reverse. The Renaissance followed the redistribution of wealth resulting from the demise of wealthy land and property holders that in turn lead to much higher capital spending. Traveling back in time we see the Medieval/Dark Age period as being caused by ghastly austerity, exactly what you'd expect from a falling Roman Empire! Doubt it as you will, but please consider that it took 1,500 years to go from the Roman Heyday to the discover of the whole other half of the world, is that conservative, fearful and austere belief at it very best.

                                                  You may not like time travel, but losing 1,500 years to fear, is well, uh fearsome.

                                                  It will take a miracle to get a world full of dodo birds, to know themselves, then through knowledge to know and conquer fear. Assuredly we will not see one leader who can even ask if what I have said makes sense. To know the economic fear cycle to know how fear is perpetuated allow you to understand the cause of fear, that fear is just another item on the do list to punch.

                                                  Farmer: What we have here is fifty foot pile or manure, and I have to dig out forty five feet, to get to the five foot pile that should have been moved before, and down to solid earth that can be planted, darn fools.

                                                    Reply#155 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

                                                    It has not escaped my notice that people on the right still have nothing but hatred for Bill Clinton even though he balanced the budget and kept us out of unneccessary wars. He did not cut taxes and fight two wars at the same time. Of course, I rarely hear anyone talk about G. W. at all. I guess we don't live in the past.

                                                      Reply#156 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

                                                      Perhaps you are looking through biased glasses? I don't think anyone has hatred so much as disgust when it comes to Clinton. He sexually harassed an intern in the White House - he is lech.

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                                                      #156.1 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

                                                      Hey Ron....perhaps you have forgotten, that in 1997, Clinton cut capital gains taxes....and it was these rate reductions that was the real impetus behind the surge in the economy, federal revenues and his ability to balance the budget. As far as not being involved in a war....Clinton had the opportunity to take bin Laden into custody on at least two different occasions, on offers from the Sudan, for legal reasons,he balked on both. He had no spine. It was the Clinton administration that sited legal barriers for federal intelligence agencies and law enforcement that prevented these agencies from sharing information...that may have helped in outing the 9/11 hijackers. So please, with this different perspective, maybe you can take the halo off this guys head.

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                                                      #156.2 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:37 PM EDT

                                                      Ron, read my post up above.... Clinton inherited a great economy, we were the tech capital of the world before Clinton nobody had an Email address or PC at home! most people didn't even have cell phones! nobody knew what the Internet was! Clinton had NOTHING to do with the great economy of the 90's it took Gingrich and the Reps to convince Clinton to balance the budget otherwise he would have done what Dems do best SPEND baby SPEND!

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                                                      #156.3 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:37 PM EDT

                                                      ceo: You do understand that in PEACE time, such as the 1990s, a President has NO legal authority to take anyone into custody, even if Sudan asked him too?

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                                                      #156.4 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

                                                      Say What - O.k., let me get this straight. From your perspective, we could not take bin Laden into custody for the simple reason that we were at peace, and there was no legal justification for such action. Even though we knew that he was a major financier of terror activities. Yet...Obama can put together a list of "suspected" terrorists, some even being American citizens....disregard the issue of custody...not to mention the rights of an American citizen...and then vaporize them at will. Are you sure you want to defend that position?

                                                        #156.5 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 7:52 PM EDT

                                                        CEO...if you have been around at all, you are aware we are at war in Afghanistan? Or did you miss WMDs Bush said were in Iraq, correct?

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                                                        #156.6 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 8:09 PM EDT

                                                        Nice try...but all the drone strikes are taking place in Pakistan....show me the war resolution or the declaration of war on Pakistan passed by congress. If Obama can find legal justification to murder people in a sovereign nation...Clinton could have found justification to take bin Laden into custody. He simply did not want to deal with it, for a variety of reasons.

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                                                        #156.7 - Tue Jun 5, 2012 8:37 PM EDT
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