And here is a FLASH for you Willard:

http:/ /veracitystew.com/2012/06/01/solyndra-loan-began-under-dubya/#.T8jIL5ENdAU.facebook

This "failure" you are spouting off about belongs to the Tea/GOP.

The TRUE FAILURE is that YOU, Mr. Romney, are a NORQUIST PLEDGER... YOU signed that pledge to put the 1% wealthy ahead of the United Sttes of America didn't you.

Norquist said his group plans to spend about $8 million in the campaign season preceding the Nov. 6 elections, highlighting candidates who have signed the pledge and those who have not.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has signed the pledge. So did nine of the 10 initial Republican presidential candidates.

Norquist's pledge, which started in 1986, has become Republican dogma for many federal or local party candidates.

Only six Republicans in the House of Representatives have not signed the pledge. Seven Republican senators have not signed.

© 2012 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.

Now, lets discuss the truth about failures, begining with YOUR term as Governor (and healthcare) followed by your time with Bain.

True FAILURES as far as American Citizens are concerned....

and you criticize the President with the record YOU have? Ridiculous!

Hahaha, Romney thought he was being so clever to sneak a speech in front of Solyndra while his staff and aids orchestrated heckling of David Axelrod in Massachusetts. Nonetheless, politicians who worked with Romney when he was governor, gave testimony to his failed record. Aside from the fact that neither event received live coverage due to the Edwards trial, note a couple of things.

1) There is a BIG difference between spontaneous heckling of Romney from a crowd (e.g., the video on "corporations are people") and gleefully taking credit for orchestrating Town Hall-style drowning out--not just heckling--as Romney has.

2) Romney's paranoid stunt merely drew attention to this:

Many people are criticizing President Barack Obama for the failedSolyndra debacle. However, if you look across Party lines, you'll see that one of his main competitors in this year's U.S. presidential race, Mitt Romney, has had similar failures of his own – green technology investments that also have gone belly-up but aren't quite getting the same amount of press.

...For instance, Romney gave $1.5 million to solar company Konarka and $2.5 million to Evergreen Solar. Romney even announced plans to remove $15 million from the state's renewable energy trust fund and to allot it for the development of a private venture capital outfit that would financially support green companies.

However, Evergreen Solar eventually filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2011. Several other companies that received aid from the Massachusetts Green Energy Fund also met a similar fate. For example, the fuel cell company CTP Hydrogen Inc., which also was backed by this green fund, laid off most of its staff of 10 individuals and closed its doors in 2008. The Colorado plant of Protonex Technology Corp. – a fuel cell company that additionally was an initial member of the green energy fund – further facilitated layoffs in 2010 despite receiving government aid.

Why does Romney try to attack the president on issues that will draw media attention to his own failures?

rico-3714896

So Realist Pondering do you think Rummy is so stupid that he doesn't know when this Solandra thing started or do you think he counts on his constituency being so uninformed that they'll believe this drivel? That's the teahdist...manipulate and tell half truths.

Yes Rico, Romney counts on his low-information supporters. But Romney also says "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" as justification for bald-faced LIES (e.g., taking the president's statements out of context in his ad) and now orchestrated drown-outs. This also makes one question Romney's maturity, mental competency, and general temperament to be POTUS yet again.

But for these guys to seriously believe the White House would sabotage a Romney press conference is deeply strange, and more than a little paranoid.

Are we to believe Romney and his team would function this way if elected?

It is said that the way a candidate runs a campaign is the way they would govern. This makes the idea of a Romney presidency even more disturbing.

Poor Axlerod, saying we cant handle the truth, hey dip@!$%#, why dont you try telling us the truth for once and let us see if we can handle it.

Yes, Anti trust proponent, good points! :) I hate this and it really is sad that so many people are still being lied to and believing what Romney is attempting to claim about Solyndra. What planet is he on? Anyone educated has already looked into the reality of the situation. No one in their right mind, with what is going on these days like nukey tuna, should stunt conversion to the new clean technologies or businesses trying to supply the demand for any kind of residential needs for solar heating supplements or wind VAWTS (Vertical Wind Turbines) in their private homes or the greening of buildings, cars, etc.! What is wrong with this supposed conservative attacking independent decentralized business enterprises? Rather contradictory isn't it? I guess its just that this one got a lot of support and enthusiasm from people Romney does not like?

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/nov/15/americans-prosperity/solyndra-ad-president-barack-obama-taxpayer-money/

So they just keep lying in the face of facts like they did with the birthing thing. People out there who have a limited access to media will only hear the right wing messages on their TV stations locally, or their a.m. radio station talk shows. They keep believing the lines and it is so sickening to hear these politicians continuing so blatantly to go so far in the face of our knowledge that what they are saying is not grounded on any truth, lacking any real details, mostly false claims.

How can people vote for a politician who lies and claims that those who know the facts are the liars? They bank on the probability that too many Americans are not educated, will believe hearsay, and not check or do any research even on a computer to google up sites that can explain...because they do not know how to? They do not go there? They are too fearful or lazy? They only believe what their pastor or clean looking guy who poses as a fine upstanding business man will tell them? They hope to get some future pay off or crumbs of kindness from the elite? What is this stupidity in these people who are usually so poor that they are somewhat naive and localized in their knowledge or point of view?

Even the small town hick knows that the clean cut businessman or salesman is out to get your money! Nothing new here! This is your door to door salesman. Your used car dealer. They want your money. They have the whole deck stacked to keep your money coming in to them. If you do not believe this, just take utilities...your own monthly bill will be the ultimate proof in the pudding regarding your own place of living. I say place of living because so many folks have been kicked out of the homes they once were trying to buy and become the owners of. Unless you have paid off your mortgage and can pay your property tax every year, you are not a homeowner. You are renting or in a contract where you are still buying from the owners.

Whatever, rent, own, or buying; if you pay an electric bill or a gas bill...look at it. Gas bill....even PUCO knows this...nothing hidden or mysterious here. You now pay nearly 25 dollars a month just to keep your gas service turned on...before you pay for the actual product! No matter how little you use or try to keep your gas down, the majority of your bill is not the unit cost if you are thrifty in a medium sized home or apartment, it is the set service and distribution, paper work cost or whatever they wish to define this other stuff they add on, which changes month to month... (usually an increase). How about the estimated meter readings? Have you read your own meter every two weeks and compared it to your bill and what they say you are using, what are those numbers? Notice any discrepancies? Where are those extra pennies going to? We have had to call and get bills revised and corrected on an average of twice a year for both the gas and electric. The ones getting your payment every month bank on your not looking and not checking. If a few pennies from a million customers get kept back in that barrel in the back room, that adds up for them!

On the other hand, as consumers, homeowners may decide that twenty five bucks into a black hole to run one gas stove in a home is not worth all the risks no matter how nice they are or the service or anything else! It used to be a safety back up so we would not freeze in the winter if the electric goes down. No more, because it will be a wood, coal, or pellet corncob burning stove. Amish style and the sooner I can get solar laminates up on my south roof, with a good VAWT or two, an inverter and some batteries with a good generator, with some cisterns, and good old fashioned oil lamps, all the better to get off this silly stupid rich man's grid. If I have a computer at home, why should I go pay the Western Union cashier at my local market to simply use their computer for me and charge me two bucks to pay a bill I can pay online myself or just send a check for free? Stupid! Pretty soon they will do the total recall movie number; they will charge you for the air you breathe... and the water you drink? We already pay for the water.

http://www.scorecard.org

Just what does that water you drink have in it and is it worth the fifty bucks a month you spend to use your tap or do a load or two of wash, flush a toilet? Well that is also another interesting story, but enough for now, to keep on topic. The good news is that other companies are doing fine in this area, Solyndra was only one of many.

http://www.energypeak.com/

How we live, what we use, what we buy, what we trash, and our habits do make a difference. Innovation has, must, and will always save our behinds. Let it be truly free to continue for our collective consumer needs, (meaning beyond the individual "me me" perspective to the wise understanding of all humans needs to breathe fresh air, eat real vegetables, and drink unpoisoned water), for our survival in the future.

bs..i live by solindra...its a dummy corp promising the impossible...gee obama bought into that.....great move dumb azz

NO dont messtex, the Kaiser guy and many others bought into it starting in 2006, READ THIS, it has some dates whos whos and oh yeah, FACTS.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/nov/15/americans-prosperity/solyndra-ad-president-barack-obama-taxpayer-money/

Of course, not every venture capital investment pans out, and as pointed out above, this one suffered from unfair Chinese government-subsidized competition.

NBC's Richard Haake blew this one terribly, failing to note that Romney's speech included FALSE CLAIMS against the Obama administration:

At that press conference, Romney went and lied (and later stuck with this lie) erroneously claiming that "an inspector general investigated and found that the Obama administration's friends and family inappropriately benefited from this". It's just not true. Romney could have blamed the "mistake" on his staff, but instead he continued defending the statement and incorporated it into his media ad produced that same day.

There are too many lies, false claims, distortions in America today.

Oops! My mistake: NBC's GARRETT Haake.

Math+Sci+JusticeFuelProsperity -- Agreed. And there are so many Romney lies it's hard to choose which is worse, but in relation to this topic, here is the LIE Romney repeats over and over:

“It’s also a symbol of a serious conflict of interest. An independent inspector general looked at this investment and concluded that the administration had steered money to friends and family – to campaign contributors. This building, this half a billion dollar taxpayer investment, represents a serious conflict of interest on the part of the president and his team.”

“It’s also a symbol of how the president thinks about free enterprise,” said Romney. “Free enterprise to the president means taking money from the taxpayers and giving it freely to his friends.”

Romney and the dubious author he took this from failed to fact check -- Though in Romney's case I doubt facts matter. The inspector referenced did investigate Solyndra dealings and found nothing illegal or unethical. Fellow Americans, every time Romney moves his lips he is telling a lie.

Romney - He's not in it for you.

Ha Ha!!! 500 excuses as to why it failed from the Kool Aid Klan. But the point is.... Half a Billion was WASTED of our money. Not Romneys Money, Not Barry's Money, Not Bush's Money... OUR MONEY! But this is just small Potatos Compared to the THIRTY BILLION General Motors got of OUR MONEY.

And how much of our money has Cheney, Haliburton and it's subsidiaries put in their pockets over the past ten years Social?

Hint: a WHOLE lot more than the half a billion you complain about here.....

Where is your outrage at that?

HYPOCRIT!

Solyndra is banckrupt along with these other winners the Obama admin has chosen to give our tax dollas to. Quite a record if you ask me. Looks like a waste of another 10 billion or so and a recipe to turn a recession into a depression.

Funny thing, We got something for the money given to Haliburton and it still employes over 80,000 people. Wonder if you can see the difference.

When did Cheney and Haliburton enter the presidential race?

tuna...good post...but how would anyone expect the community organizer to know anything about that busines and economics stuff.?....He thinks that he can just make another speech and it will all blow over. Blame someone else.....It has worked for him in the past... He can read another book on how great socialism is...and just keep going...Maybe Hugo will give him another book...

Yeah we sure did. A bunch of electrocuted soldiers from shoddy work. Thanks Haliburton.

Oh and J.A.--I recommend you actually try reading a book. You may learn that the fascism you love so much doesn't work either.

J.A.Bush was a businessman.The only thing he knew how to do was spend money on wars and keep it off the books.

As for Solyndra.I'm amazed that Romney and the GOP consider the failure of an American business in an emerging technology a victory.This was a business which could have competed with China,provided jobs and paid taxes.I thought that was the goal.There should be tears,not gloating and dancing on the corpse of American industry.

So tunanut, have you invented anything better? What are you saying here, that you think we should not put any effort into alternative energy supply? You sure do like fail. Is that part of your plan for your fellow American citizens? Is the GOP all doom and gloom now? Funny how they used to call the concerned scientists against nukes that and now we have nukey tuna! Way to go and so...a little ray of sunshine to clean out that infected depressive failure perspective of yours which has obviously made you quite blind to the full spectrum of reality. Here is a list of a few SUCCESSFUL SOLAR COMPANIES just to cheer you up a little bit today.

http://www.energydigital.com/top_ten/top-10-business/top-10-successful-solar-companies

The symbol for failure for me is the republicans loss of honor. This single fact is the root of the circumstances we all find ourselves in. Nothing more, nothing less. Truly...the GOP would not know honor if it were staring them straight in the face. Completely obvious for years now. Flat unamerican and unforgivable. A stain on our flag that will show in future history books regardless the outcome of future elections.

dumb....

REVEALING GOP DIRTY SECRET

GOP Scotus said " Corporation is People" The idea is to Screw-up the Middle Class to bears the "Burdens" of all the Private Corporation debt.

The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows Bailouts..

Socialism in America at it's Best !

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)

Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)

Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)

Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)

Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)

Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)

Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)

Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)

JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)

Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)

UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)

Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)

Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)

Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)

BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)

and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

View the 266-page GAO audit of the Federal Reserve(July 21st, 2011): http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-InvestigationHYPERLINKhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-Investigation">http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-Investigation

Source: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-696HYPERLINKhttp://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-696">http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-696

FULL PDF on GAO server: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdfHYPERLINKhttp://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdf">http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdf

Tax-the truth really bothers you. Your Tea Party moniker gives away your depth and thought processes. The truth of taxes is that President Obama cut yours-no matter where your income falls.

Yes he cut FICA taxes that fund the Social Security Trust Funds. Real bright move as the SS Disability Trust Fund is nearing insolvency.

President Obama won a clear majority in 2008 and clearly had a mandate from the people, the first president to do since 1992. When the Repugnican Traitors conspired on Inauguration night, it was really US they conspired against because we hired Obama to do a job which they have been hell-bent on preventing. As frustrated as I get with Mr. Obama, it's impossible to separate his lack of progress from the treasonous teapugnicans recalcitrance. They didn't simply conspire against him. They conspired against us. Most regrettably, he has done many things to appease these traitors. That was a serious error on his part. The only thing these roaches will understand is a boot stepping on them.

Thomas Blue,

Obama did not win the popular vote though. Do you under stand Obama had the house and the Senate with majority's in both for the first two years he was in office. Obama himself said Bush spending as much as he did was un-American but Bush spent $4.5 trillion in 8 years; Obama has spent $5.2 trillion in 3 years and is asking for another $1.2 trillion for this year. There have been plenty of referendums on Obama just like the Dem's losing Kennedy's Senate seat? We cannot keep up this rate of spending if you actually knew how economics work and that The Fed Reserve is a private company and is not an American entity but make laws about banking for America and the world you would know we are going into dark times. You cannot give all people what they want and there needs to be someone in the White house that can make tough decisions and say this is not going to be popular but it needs to be done to help America get back on the right track.

We need to close our borders to all immigrants not just Mexico but everyone. Start taking care of Americans first not the world. We need to get rid of welfare with 35% of all Americans receive welfare as a working income or make them go to work doing menial labor that we will need some to do after we close all of our borders. You can not keep getting people to depend on the government and think that nothing is going to happen to America as a whole. 49.5% of Americans don't pay Fed income tax so 50.5% pay all the income tax. All of those that pay nothing are the ones saying that nobody else pays there fair share now that is a crock of sh*t if you don't pay taxes in these country and are not disabled, or retired, than you should not get a say as to what goes on in this country. WE have to many lazy welfare recipients (not all but most as i grew up in the ghetto and i know how they almost all of them game the system) not contributing but getting to decide policies that affect those of us that do pay taxes and it is not right. Maybe if people got of there as*ses and moved to where there is work America would be in a far better place.

But don't try and spin it as though Obama is the best president he sucks and could not make a hard decision if he had to. Oh, The intelligence about where Osama Bin Laden was, was gained under Bush not under Obama all Obama did was said shoot. Also Obama could of called our troops home like he said on the campaign trail but he didn't and the war expired under Bush's original withdrawal date but Obama tries and spins that also. You need some history in you life. Quit listing to the Lib Media and go out and read both said and then read the facts from those that have nothing to gain. Then come up with your own opinion because we can tell your opinion is that of the medias.

Bill1488: Obama did not win the popular vote though

Actual results from the 2008 General Election:
Obama/Biden: 69,499,428 52.87% (pop vote) ----- 365, 67.8% (electoral)

McCain/NumbNutz: 59,950,323 45.60% (pop vote) ----- 173, 32.2% (electoral)

OBAMA CLEARLY won the popular vote. And the electoral vote.
Since your first statement is an OUT AND OUT LIE (which never surprises me from dishonest right-wing cowards who can't debate without telling lies), then I'll go ahead and ignore the rest of your screed, since you cannot be trusted to be honest with simple facts that are easily researched.

This information can be found at: http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

Bill- it seems odd to me that the bushies crashed the plane into the mountain and then complain about how much it costs to fix their mess. (And yes, I'm keenly aware the the dems helped steer toward the mountain)

BTW...do you homework. A clear majority of my fellow Americans wanted Barak Obama. We won. Black and white. Period. Without voter suppression or court fights. But as usual, an election doesn't mean much to the GOP unless they won it. It would be hard to say who the GOP holds in more contempt- dems or voters.

Frogmorton

No doubt Obama won the popular vote in 2008, and after 2 years of his failed policies,(which were actually Pelosi and Reids failed policies because Obama let them run the show as he had no idea of what he was doing) the American people in the mid-terms shoved it so far up his A$$ it broke his nose. This is a failed administration and the sooner we come to terms with it and move on, the better. Obama came into office thinking he could talk anybody into anything, he found out he was wrong. And I know libs are going to say he saved GM, but the reality is that he only put off the inevitable for a few years, at taxpayer expense.

BTW,Bill, just for the record, most of what you wrote is incorrect as is your assumption that I'm wildly pro-President Obama. I believe that maybe you're the one who needs to crack a book, but I'll be glad to explain to you where you're wrong.

I had Solyndra quote me to solarize my shopping center, about 17,000 sq/ft. They came back with a quote of $660,000. The solar panels had a life expectancy of 25 years and would save me $1000 per month on my electric bill. A 25 yr life with a 60yr payoff and does anyone really wonder why they went bankrupt. I guess you really don't have to sell anything if the government is kicking you 550M to play with. It's clear to me that the company would never make it because it was a bad business model. The half billion loan from the Obama admin was clearly a payoff for a generous contribution to the Obama campaign to a company that had no chance. I suppose if you don't pay taxes, you're OK with that.

If the truth was taxable, Oblamo wouldn't have to pay a cent.

Thomas,

BTW,Bill, just for the record, most of what you wrote is incorrect as is your assumption that I'm wildly pro-President Obama. I believe that maybe you're the one who needs to crack a book, but I'll be glad to explain to you where you're wrong.

So please explain it to me all knowing Thomas, give me your Lib talking points. Yes I do know that Obama won the popular vote I was just pushing the same BS you Libs push. The rest is fact Obama has no clue on what he is doing and by the way Clinton started this mess not Bush look it up. No here I will give you sheep the information.

Defenses Spending, Welfare, Budget

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/united_states_total_spending_pie_chart

Clinton’s housing mess

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan

Obama and the green energy companies

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57358484/tax-dollars-backing-some-risky-energy-projects/

Obama’s 20 lies

http://realetybytes.com/?tag=unemployment

Economic Collapse the National Debt

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/national-debt

Plus, the Treasury Department advised against this "loan." But what do they know? Plainly our astute leader was better informed. After all, he's not Bush.

Obama is as dirty as anything that ever slithered out of Chicago. Come November, he can crawl back under a rock in Grant Park. I'm sure Rahm and Oprah will have a nice one picked out for him.

Dude-Do you believe in alternative energy and the need to reduce carbon in our atmosphere? Do you believe in evolution? Do you realize that there are billions of stars and tens of billions of planets in the galaxy and untold numbers in the universe?

The attack on Solyndra discounts our children's and grandchildren's future. The easy political smear on this company negates our lack of a viable solar industry. This should expose a do-nothing Congress that hasn't funded a successful solar industry or research to create the same.

It's all W. Bush's fault - the most incompetent, bar none, of all time...

I realize people of your ilk typically receive your news/information
from unreliable sources, you never conduct you own research. So todays lesson
read the House Republican Solyndra investigation, which I made real simple for you,
just access the link... http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74564.html#ixzz1wXaEfaNy

Realist--

Obama is a corrupt president. It's a simple fact. It doesn't matter that he's not Bush. etc. It doesn't matter that they're all to some degree corrupt. What matter is now...and suddenly you're gonna fall back on the "future" and the "children." Huh, what's next? Some silly notion like God or responsibility? Seems to be a lack of consistency in your liberal "logic."

I'll be thinking about my daughter's future when I vote against Obama in November.

RushISaPIG - Well I will say that is is ALL YOUR FAULT!!!! Apparently you do not pay enough Taxes! Apparently you want to spend more than you take in. You are not as Transparent as you promised! You promised smaller Government! You promised a balanced Budget (oh wait there is NO BUDGET!) You promised to bring this Country together and not divide the Country (WOW - need I go there).

You my friend - IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT!

Rushisapig

Yes bush started the whole Solyndra thing but like most of Bush's bad policies Obama went ahead with it anyhow and against the advice of the Treasury Dept and several other agencies because he was helping out a campaign donor friend. Obama owns this failure and to say it is Bush's fault is totally ignorant. Obama knowingly screwed the taxpayers on this deal.

If the Solyndra thing was in anyway illegal or unethical, the House Ethics Committee and Darryl Issa would be holding hearings everyday to try and embarrass the President.

Haven't heard a peep. Tells me everything I need to know about this nontroversy.

Thanks Sheila, for making that very valid point that others can't seem to grasp. Nevertheless, all the right-wingers in Smallpenis, Wyoming, will sit here and shriek about Obama...

...fact is, they want Romney (aka Bush III) to come in and give us another GOP-driven economic disaster to destroy this country. They just can't get enough of the misery that Dumbya Bush gave America.

Solyndra should go down as an example, among other things, of what happens when you run a business with any other goal besides making a profit. Yes, I said profit, it is NOT a dirty word. They were selling a product to people for less than it cost them to make, and expecting the government to just keep sending the millions to keep them going "for the greater good." Well, it turns out eventually the well went dry, since their business had never generated one cent of profit they folded instantly, and all those jobs went away instantly. A business that operates at a PROFIT, will keep employees, and grow, and add more. And no working for a successful company does not mean you deserve an even share of the profits just for working there. A company that doesn't make money will always fail, whether they "want" to keep employees or not. A company that makes a profit will sometimes have to make hard choices and let people go in bad times, but a strong company will stay around and hire more people back, and keep going. Government intervening in simple business principles just results in taxpayer WASTE like this.

what a joke to blame the president or any president for that reason. that is the role of government to help when there is no other help.

to buy into romneys thinking is moronic. romney has destroyed thousands of jobs, he is not then not now or never will be a job creator.

he dismantled companies in this country and sold them to communist china. he robbed pension plans which the tax payers had to reimberse.

jobs are not important to romney, social security is not important to romney, education is not important to romney, health care is not important to romney, racism is not important to romney, the economy is not important to romney, and we the people are not important to romney.

what is important to romney is tax cuts for the billionaires, more money in his pocket, and less money for everyone else. he doesnt need health insurance for hes self insured. he doesnt need social security, or to worry about the cost of medicine, or gasoline, or clothing, or transportation, he doesnt worry about housing, he has five houses, he knows nothing of these struggles, because he lives in a nonexisting world to 99% of us. 99% = 356,400,000 people out of 360,000,000 citizens.

he is an elitist and his job is to conquer and destroy, thats how he makes money. how can that be good for our country, for our people, for our parents, for our children?

Solyndra should go down as an example, among other things, of what happens when you run a business with any other goal besides making a profit.

And, FOR PROFT companies, like BANKS, are a HUGE example of what happens when the GOP controls the legislative & executive branches together.

You had a GOP Controlled White House from 2001 – 2009. And a GOP controlled Congress (BOTH houses) from 1995 – 2007. The collapse initially started in 2005 when the first wave of defaults began to show up; it picked up speed by 2006, and was in full swing by 2007 when huge banks like Countrywide and Washington Mutual began failing.

AND, try this scenario: Even if you could show this was due to Democratic controlled policy before 1995 (which you cannot) – then, with 12 years of full GOP legislative control after that in BOTH HOUSES, why the hell didn’t the GOP solve the problem before this happened? You people keep claiming the GOP is brilliant, with all the talent – then what the hell happened for the almost 12 years they controlled both houses and the Executive Branch? Didn’t they have the talent and smarts to FIX ANYTHING? Or, were they just hoping their false economy would make them look good long enough to ride it out?

The car drove soundly into the wall. GOP Pres Bush was in the driver’s seat for all that time, as was the GOP Congress. How long you gonna try to blame this crash on someone else? When do the right-wing American cowards grow their cajones enough to man-up and own their crap?

Frogmorton,

...

I want to say this one more time, and I want to thank again all the people here
from the private sector who have worked with Secretary Cisneros on this: Our
home ownership strategy will not cost the taxpayers one extra cent. It will not
require legislation. It will not add more Federal programs or grow Federal
bureaucracy.
...

What we are doing today will allow more homes to be blessed by more families.
I hope it will start all these young people on a path that will take them to
great joys in their personal lives, and perhaps to other homes, but something
they will always know that their country wanted them to have because they were
entitled to it as a part of the American dream.

Bill Clinton from "Remarks on the National Homeownership Strategy," June 5th 1995.

I refuse to agree with anyone who thinks they can blame this recession on any one man, party, system, or incident, because their is plenty of blame to go around.

We are in a recession because in the 90's and early 2000's, a huge number of people decided they were tired of waiting for the American Dream, so they took out reverse mortgages on existing property, new mortgages, consumer loans, business loans, every credit card they could qualify for, and they BORROWED everything they ever wanted. Suddenly everyone had three new luxury cars on lease in the driveway, used high interest CC's to buy flat screen TV's, stainless appliances, new furniture, and on and on. As long as they figured out the payments they needed to make based on their income, they would borrow and borrow and borrow with no regards to whether they would ever actually be able to make headway in ever paying down that debt, and thinking about how quickly they would no be able to make payments if their work situtation changes.

The government meanwhile, as seen above, decided that every American had the right to own a home, and guarenteed loans through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and required banks to give mortages out to people that never would have qualified under traditional requirements. But hey, homes are a solid appreciating asset, so that wouldn't be risky right? With the easy availability of these loans, and people foaming at the mouth to buy houses with payments they could barely afford to start, and ARM rates in the future that would become completely unpayable, it created a huge artificial demand. Now I am not absolving the banks of guilt, for their part they were more than happy to be lending all this money and making the interest, and they had the government's promise the loans would be backed on default anyway; it seemed like a win-win. This demand skyrocketed the price of homes far beyond traditional growth, creating an investment market. Whole new subdivisions were being built, and signs hung before the ground was even broken "Sold out, check with _____— for availability in our next project." Except all they had was deposits from investors who never intended to own or live in these homes, but rather expected by the time the houses were built the market would have risen netting them a healthy profit.

All it took was a few people to stop making their payments, and the first domino had fallen, the bubble was burst, and the whole system came tumbling down. Suddenly all these high risk loans were defaulting as people lost jobs, couldn't make payments at adjusted interest rates, the investors who were buying homes and new projects out on speculation instantly tried to cut their losses on what they owned, slashing prices, and walking away from deposits on unbuilt projects, leaving whole ghost towns of unoccupied brand new homes. The shortcuts taken by contractors in these projects such as the Chinese drywall fiasco didn't help things either. All this just furthered the lowering of value of homes to where they actually were undervalued. More and more people got underwater on their mortgages, owing more on their homes than they were worth. Even those that had jobs and could make payments, instead of honoring the contracts that they signed under no duress, handed the banks the keys and said "good luck."

The government was in an impossible place, they had a fairly large part in creating this idea that everyone should be allowed to buy a home, and had told the banks the loans were guarenteed, and that came back to bite them. I hate the idea of the bailouts as much as anyone, and completely disagree with the auto bailouts (Ford didn't take them and came out the strongest, while GM and Crysler and stil saddled with the same union pension nonsense that got them into their mess in the first place. GM would be a stronger company today if it had undergone a true bankruptcy), but the Government had blood on their hands here as well, and couldn't just wash it off and let the financial system collapse.

While this period of artificial wealth was going on, everyone was happy because they got exactly what they wanted, and blinded themselves to the frieght train tracks they were occupying. The American public was living the high life, all on debt, the banks had more business then they could dream of, and were all happy to be making big paydays, from the top management to the loan writers. The government was so proud they had helped millions of American's buy homes that wouldn't, and as it turns out shouldn't, have. Everyone was happy, but they were literally living on borrowed time, and that time ran out while GWB was in office.

To just dismiss everything I said, and say "But it was Bush's fault," is willful ignorance at best, and malicious delusion at worst. Bush didn't make anyone buy a TV on a credit card, reverse mortgage their house to take a world cruise, make someone working minimum wage take out a ARM, make anyone take out a lease on two brand new BMW's who should have kept driving the 3 year old sedan they owned outright, he didn't tell the banks or credit card companies to give that debt out either. I am not claiming he was a perfect president, nor does he, but the sheer amount of blame people put on his shoulders for things he had no control over is rediculous.

If anything your point reinforces mine, ANY TIME the government decides businesses should be doing anything but trying to make money, everything gets screwed up. If banks had gone on only giving out mortgages to people who were qualified by traditional means, maybe this whole mess wouldn't have been so bad.

Baloney. You clearly have no idea what brought us to this mess... honestly, we are doomed to repeat all the same tragic errors, if people continue to tow the GOP party line and repeat this mindless, moronic rhetoric. The right-wing is great at repeating talking points from Faux Noise, but little more... It shows how quickly people are ready to repeat the same mistakes, just to see their moron "leadership" back in power to drive their ridiculous social agendas and bash on gays and women...

Banking and housing both started their decline when the Bush Admin virtually eliminated the Federal Agencies dedicated to regulation and investigating predatory lending practices at the Federal Level. I know – my partnership owned a large regional mortgage company up until 2003. When Bush’s own stimulus policies weren’t working and he was burning through the surplus handed down to him, he cut all those federal agencies way back – one example (of many) is the RESPA division which, in early 2002, he cut down to TWO PEOPLE for a total of 50 states – and, when he did that, his administration actually sent an official mailer out to every bank and mortgage company in the US. (I know, because we received one of them). And, magically, every major mortgage bank in the US who had questionable ethics and unquestionable greed, started up all the “really cool” predatory lending practices, especially toward subprime customers, to make a quick buck (and, lots of them).

Countrywide, Dime, First Franklin, MILA, and a whole list of others started the ridiculous 1.5% loans, and the $125% LTV loans. They were mostly 3-, 4- and 5-year loans with massive balloons. These kinds of loans are the biggest reasons why the housing market began to crash, and thus, banks began to crash. Once we saw the big guys doing this in 2002/03, we put our mortgage company up for sale and sold it within 6 months of listing it. Had we held on much longer, it would have been worthless.

Bush and the GOP knew his economic policies weren’t working, so he built a false economy based upon the largest increase in signature debt, HELOC debt and refinance debt ever seen in any presidential term. And when these short term 1.5% loans and 125% LTV loans came due 3-5 years later, many ballooned and fell
into default. More like avalanched into default. This all started LONG before Obama’s election. And it is directly related to Bush’s policy, fully back by the GOP Congress – which was specifically written to encourage banks to build up a false economy based on spending that was derived from more debt, NOT more jobs. For a period, more jobs followed of course, due to more spending. But it was all spending of borrowed money (mostly signature debt and refinance debt -- by the way, we saw the greatest percentage increase in new issuance of signature/credit card debt during the Bush Administration over any other president in history, by a factor of .5, or 50%!!). Of course, the secondary market failed, and then, who was the first major bank to finally drop? Countrywide – the first major lender to offer these crazy loans after Bush wiped out every federal agency dedicated to regulation and to investigating predatory lending practices. Others followed. the huge IndyMac Bank collapsed in 2008. Washington Mutual, the largest S&L in the US, also failed in 2008. The list goes on! Right-wing cowards want to blame these colossal disasters on Obama? Really??

None of this happens overnight. This took a few years and it didn’t happen a few weeks after Obama was elected, like some morons would like you to think. We saw it coming a mile away in 2002, and took action to get out before it got bad. So did many other smaller mortgage companies who also sold off at that time.

Seriously, the right-wing can “blame the DEMs” all they like. It’s simply ridiculous.

Goodness sakes man, I never said I blamed any of it on Obama?

I just don't see how you can deny the Democrats had any fault, and blame the republicans.

What Democrats have and had to say about Freddie and Fannie:

“I want to begin by saying that I am glad to consider the legislation, but I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis. That is, in my view, the two government sponsored enterprises we are talking about here, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not in a crisis. We have recently had an accounting problem with Freddie Mac that has led to people being dismissed, as appears to be appropriate. I do not think at this point there is a problem with a threat to the Treasury.”

Barney Frank, Democrat, 9/10/2003

”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,”

Melvin Watt, Democrat, NC

“I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was President, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

Bill Clinton 10/31/2008

“Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong."

Artur Davis, Democrat

And the Republicans:

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

NYT 2003: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html

For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

John McCain 5/25/2006

And I still don't see how any of this at all attempts to nullify my point that government should stay out of the way of telling businesses how to do business.

so what was Clintons neighborhood redevelopment act? the act that forced Banks to give out these bad loans. That wasn't Bush, Clinton sewed the seeds of the Banking Blunder.

And you can list quotes all day long. I was in the industry when it began to fail, our partnership had a considerable regional mortgage company and we saw this coming a mile away. We could look down from the smoke, see the fire, and see who lit it. I really don't care how many people you quote -- I know the forces behind this mess, I know exactly how and why the secondary market failed in the manner it did leading to the housing and banking collapse, and what led up to it.

cal20: so what was Clintons neighborhood redevelopment act? the act that forced Banks to give out these bad loans. That wasn't Bush, it was Clinton.

CRA did not cause this, cal. Go back to your Faux Noise talking points somewhere else. It's uninteresting.

And even if it did, then MAN-UP and tell me this, answer this question: You had a GOP Controlled White House from 2001 – 2009. And a GOP controlled Congress (BOTH houses) from 1995 – 2007. The collapse initially started in 2005 when the first wave of defaults began to show up; it picked up speed by 2006, and was in full swing by 2007. Even if you could show this was due to Democratic controlled policy before 1995 (which you cannot) – then, with 12 years of full GOP legislative control after that in BOTH HOUSES, why the hell didn't the GOP solve the problem before this happened? You keep claiming the GOP is brilliant, with all the talent – then what the hell happened for the almost 12 years they controlled both houses and the Executive Branch? Didn't they have the talent and smarts to FIX ANYTHING? Or, were they just hoping their false economy would make them look good long enough to ride it out?

sorry the proper designation is the community reinvestment act> Look it up on Wikipedia. It sure is Bill Clintons. or is Wikipedia a branch of Faux?

so you admit that Clinton signed the act. And your question is without merit. I never said the GOP was briliant: they like the Dems overspent. Try a different point of view: Why didn't the Dems solve the problem they created? Try to think more independently, you are on the wrong side on this one.

Someone may want to research how long the GOP really controlled Congress.

Libs, you get to choose, would you rather have pristine water, pristine air, pristine environment, or a job that allows you to eat on a regular basis, you pick.

Cal20: Someone may want to research how long the GOP really controlled Congress.

Why don't you do that yourself? Or are you like Billy-cakes, and incapable of using Google?

1995 - 2007

104th US Congress - both GOP

105th US Congress - both GOP

106th US Congress - both GOP

107th US Congress - both GOP, except the Senate was so close to 50/50, that it changed majorities three times, largely because of the 9/11 attacks and a GOP Senator who defected mid-term.

108th Congress - both GOP

109th Congress - both GOP

That takes you from Jan 1995 to Jan 2007.

So, man-up and own it! Do your own reaserch and verify!

cal-nutz: so you admit that Clinton signed the act.

Cal -- let me help you with something:

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1977, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to help meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods. Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods, a practice known as redlining.

Jimmy Carter was president in 1977, punkin!

And you have never proven that the CRA caused the Bush Recession...in complete ignorance, you suggested it did, but you also failed to show that. And, in fact, you have no personal or educated knowledge which could tell you that -- because it's a wrong conclusion. That wasn't the trigger. OOPS!

Maybe you want to suggest that Harry Truman signed it? That sounds like a good story, too!

Make up any name you like, li'l guy!

Steve: Libs, you get to choose, would you rather have pristine water, pristine air, pristine environment, or a job that allows you to eat on a regular basis, you pick.

Your post highlights the base ignorance in the GOP. Your own mindset is just like your party's. You think it can only be one or the other. Democrats think you can do both. And before you run off, acting like you're another GOP from Smallpenis, Wyoming, realize that with Dumbya Bush in office, THAT is when the economy tanked, banking collapsed... the housing market tanked... THAT was when we were losing over 700,000 jobs a month.

Own it, or be a goddam coward. You pick!

Hey Steve, you said: "Libs, you get to choose, would you rather have pristine water, pristine air, pristine environment, or a job that allows you to eat on a regular basis, you pick."

That is easy. We want it all, what is so hard about that? Who are you to tell us we get to choose? God? I want clean water, clean air, clean environment, beautiful home, good "unmessedaboutwith" food, and a career that adds purpose, provides constructive service or products to others, helps my community, and provides me with a nice home in a neighborhood of trustworthy neighbors free of murderous weapons and addictive drugs where my children play, is that too much to ask for the future of our country? Why? Yes, Frogmorton, glad you are there, I agree with you totally on this one, there are some weird mindsets in the GOP "blindfaithfollowers" club these days.

You say you want it all, but you want it at someone elses expense. Manufacturing couldnt comply with all the EPA regulations without going bankrupt, so they left, and took your jobs with them. But look on the bright side, you have pristine air and water.

Sorry but once again a right winger is wrong. It was Romney who mentioned Bain not Obama or the democrats. Romney decided that since his record as governor of Massachusetts (born in Boston) was abysmal he would give Bain as part of his resume, bad idea. Another misconception you make is that the president should concentrate on creating jobs, government does not create jobs, President Obama has all but wiped out the large government hiring that occurred under George Bush and shrunk the government payroll. President Obama has invited many business man/ women to the White House, if you did a little research instead of relying on FOX news to give you your opinion you'd know this. Why exactly is it that a president should not be speaking about equal rights for gay people? He is the president of ALL Americans he should be out front setting an example of inclusions unlike right wingers who advocate genocide and murder for our gay citizens, how nice, in America sounds more like the Taliban or Al-Queda who we just fought a 10 year war with. Taxes are at the lowest rate in 40 years, President Obama has lowered small business tax rates by half. Exactly what has the congress done? Except for holding the nation hostage and doing absolutely nothing since taking the house? They have concentrated on taking rights away from people shoving their religious beliefs on the rest of the nation, they have done nothing to help the economy in fact they are trying as hard as they can to destroy what they didn't finish in the last presidents term. Maybe this is why congress's approval ratings are what 11% approval? ABYSMAL!!!! Please provide a list of what congress has done to fix/help the country?

Ken-Are you a homophobe because of your religion or upbringing or just ignorance? Why bring this subject into the thread? Is it on your mind constantly? Maybe you should examine your own deep inner sexuality. Jim Parsons came out this month - maybe you should too.

Realist--

Actually, considering Obama was the one who dragged the red herring of gay marriage across the campaign trail. Can't blame him though. What else can he run on? The economy? Trayvon?

And don't tell me Biden's gaffe forced his hand. It was a cynical piece of political manoevering on his part. It's what Barry's good at: The Great Uniter foments dissetion for political capital.

Ken From Towanda: Obama loves bringing up Romney's history with Bain, and I feel its about time Romney has hit back. When Romney was running Bain, he was not in the business of creating jobs...

Wow, you've got that right. He was in the business of SCREWING OVER THE MIDDLE CLASS WORKER.

And, guess what. HE STILL IS. Anyone who thinks anything else is, well, moronic. Hearing middle class republicans is like watching a rally of Jews for Hitler. All you can do is listen to their mindless jabbering and nonsense, and say WTF??? Are they NUTS??? they actually want to vote for a guy who wants to take a big crap right on their heads...

Get a job, Frog....

Frogmorton

Dude, youre neck deep in Obama @!$%# and its rising fast, you might want to consider investing in a snorkle.

Already did that Mike. I'm retired. So, you can chill out and follow your own advice.

Cheers!

Steve

Dude, I think you have the eye problems of myopiamemememee and the Icarus falling complex. You must be around fifteen years old by your comments here. Remember to wear a parachute in high buildings. There was a depression once a long time ago...ya never know what the future will bring and you sure as heck don't understand the past, do ya.

I understand we cant take four more years of Obamas out of control spending, I pay a fortune in taxes and Im getting really tired of having to support a bunch of liberal deadbeats.

Steve, you just proved AI correct. Take a nap until you're balanced enough to vote. That'll make you the perfect GOP voter. Leave the TV on Fox while you nap. That will complete your training.

SNAPPA

The Democrat Party cannot run on it's record since it is abysmal and almost ruined the country as a whole, the debt we now face is because of them. I dont care how you spin it, 5 trillion in 4 years is not lower than anything. Funny how Obama wants to talk about anything but the economy, but then again, I dont blame him, if I was him I wouldnt want to talk about it either.

Obama is nothing but Jimmy Carter with a lobotomy.

Obama - has transformed into Jamaal Carter

Nice to see the Teabaggers like steve still parrot the good old Jude Waniski talking point. Seriously...try checking out facts before you speak.

Oh and if you want to continue with the Jimmy Carter cracks. Do you really want us to start mentioning Nixon?

thanks to our seals!!

We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

George Orwell

But he deserved a fair trial.

Dude-"we fix the economy" indicates you are part of the Mitt team. What is your low level position? Do you wash the magic underwear or do you arrange for the hair coloring? Maybe you are the colorist?

Exactly how can we "fix" the economy with a do nothing congress? Please give a list of what their plan is? I'd love to hear it.

I think Mitt should stand on his own record, for what he has done for the people of Massachusetts as governor. Having left the state myself, under his tenure, due to all those jobs he never created, 'Nuff said.

And yeah, I've been working every day since then. So, when Massachusetts goes Obama in '12, you can say what you want, but those of us who have experienced him and his "contributions" know why.

Dude,

Every time you bring up FIXING the economy, you are inadvertently blaming Bush too, get it. Bush BROKE the economy, not Obama, so in order to fix something you have already admitted it was broke, only in right wing la-la land do people not think any further than that.

Fix the economy - Thanks for admitting Bush broke it

DUDE- it is like a broken record. I think deep down, they all must be in love with him!!

Realist--

Kind of a clumsy dodge on your part. Where's the panache? Where's the flair? Magic underwear? Come on, you can do better. Wht not wax rhapsodic about all the stars, the trees, the children?

Gee Snapa you seem to have a short memory. When the Dems had control before mid terms the nothing got done, pissed off voters changed the landscape and that is why they lost majority control.

States investing their own money is different than the Federal government investing other peoples money. It isn't a valid function of the federal government.

States investing their own money is different than the Federal government investing other peoples money.

States do not have their own money, doh doh. It is all based on taxpayer money, other than the very rare self-sustaining, near break even project, which is still funded under a budget based on Tax Income. How do you even come up w/ such drivel?

Ever drive on the federal interstate? Or fly through one state into another? Or hear about the Federally Funded Army? Or have a Federal Agency enforce an Act which makes sure you can drink your tap water?

When there is a Federal subsidy given, is that an investment?

Because more than likely they will be black listed, like Sarah Palin eventually she would only give interviews to FOX news since they would treat her with kid gloves and give her a pass.

That is exactly why the President has not and will not release his college transcripts. Every reporter that asks about them is blacklisted. What is the big deal? Why doesn't he want American voters to know his history?

96ws6: Provide a reputable source to support this post. You are beyond the pale. What is it with your President's college transcripts? You don't believe that a black man can achieve at Harvard Law what your President achieved? Let me give you a hint about what is REQUIRED to get into Harvard Law, since I have a daughter that competes at that level: You need a stellar undergrad resume, not just grades but achievement outside of school, a 170+ on the LSAT, 180 being a perfect score, and grades in the 3.8 + category. You have those grades 96ws6? If so, apply and see if you can get in. Even with those credentials, Harvard Law accepts less than 10% of applicants. It is the the BEST of the BEST to get in. You won't make it.

Harvard has said that your President graduated Magna Cum Laude. For the ignorant, like YOU that means with honors. The fact that President Obama was the Editor of the Review tells you all you need to know, an honor, by the way, not given to Romney.

Now, Grow up.

OK so he should have nothing to hide why not make them public?

They ARE public, moron, by Harvard Law announcing Magna. You don't have an advanced education, do you?

And where is the source I asked for?

Newday,

Here you go,

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/28/obama-ducks-calls-to-release-his-collegiate-transc/

Romney needs to release his too. When you apply for a Job it is expected and President is the most important job in the country. BTW I am talking about ALL trascripts.

The Washington Times, 96ws6? Really, the Unification Church Washington Times?

NO ONE takes that rag seriously, nor would I accept it in a college freshman paper as a source.

Since I am pretty convinced you did not attend University, let me try to make this as simple for you as I can.

Harvard Law Magna Cum Laude tells you your President's grades.

That he was accepted at Harvard Law tells you his undergrad grades and LSAT.

That he was Law Review Editor tells you his rank and status.

What is it that you don't understand about this?

SO you ask for a source then poo poo it. According to your information his Columbia U transcripts should be very impressive, why not release them? Btw I did graduate from a University. No need to get testy, Don't you know that once you resort to insults you have lost the intellectual argument?

Columbia is Ivy: same measures apply. They accept about 11% undergrad.

The Washington Times is not an acceptable source, it is as agenda driven as Fox News is. I am serious when I say I would not accept that in a college freshmen paper.

IF you attended University, and I suspect that you may be exaggerating, it would not have been at a highly competitive one. Why do I know this? You have no knowledge about what is required to be accepted.

You know all you need to know about your President. Your problem is that a black man should not have entre to places that would refuse you.

And what have I said to make you think I am a racist Newday? Or white for that matter? All you have left is insults? You still haven't told me what possible reason he could have for not wanting them published.

How do I know you are a racist? You and the other nutcases running around demanding the President's transcripts have NEVER done this prior to this President.

There is an element of common sense missing in your posts that cause me to laugh. I have made this as simple for you as I can, and you are unable, due to some irrational hatred for your President to take in the information I have given you: to wit:

To get into the Ivy League schools, you must be in the top 2% of the nation. They do not have to accept anyone with less than that. Too many want to get in.

To get into Harvard Law, your credentials must be the best of the best. They accept less than 10%, and probably get about 14-15000 applications per year.

To be Editor of Law Review, you have to be at the top of the class.

To graduate Magna Cum Laude, you must have grades at the 3.7 level. It is only awarded for a numerical value.

Now. Do try to get off this irrational bent of yours, and realize that a black man can have the requisite requirements to achieve Harvard Law, and concentrate instead on bettering yourself.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

How do I know you are a racist? You and the other nutcases running around demanding the President's transcripts have NEVER done this prior to this President.

Since democrats insisted that President Bush release his college transcripts during the 2000 election, I am assuming by your logic that you and your liberal bretheren acknowledge that you all are "racists" and "nutcases"

There was ZERO demand that Bush release his transcripts. Bush's problem was that he attended college prior to FERPA laws and they got out. I think it was Newsweek did an article on how he would not make it into Ivy today based on his grades and SAT scores, even as legacy admit. Kerry's were leaked too.

What we wanted to see was his National Guard records, which were fair game.

Don't try to make an equivalency argument where none exists. It makes you look ridiculous.

And riddle me this: Where in the Constitution would I find a requirement for Presidential candidates to release grade transcripts. Hmmmm?

That is not true. The media badgered George W. Bush into releasing his transcripts which showed what he had already told them...that he was a C student. There is not any law that says the president HAS to release his transcripts but I think both Romney (who by the way also has not released his) and Obama should release them. Like I said, if they want the most important job in the world, they should be willing to show the same information you are expected to show when applying for a job. By the way, you should really think a little more before you start insinuating someone is racist.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED - You just feel ridiculous because by flapping your gums you painted yourself as a "racist" and "nutcase".

Yes, of course Bush released his transcripts. Let's see, that would be around the time that he released his National Guard records and his DUI records, correct?

What is confusing the two of you (which I imagine is quite easy to do) is that feckless George was pretty proud of being an incompetent student and bragged about his less than stellar record.

Nope. It was leaked. So was Kerry's. www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html.

I will use the term "racist" when I decide it applies. If you don't like the term, don't engage in the behavior.

Maybe it would be wise for the two of you to sit down and do a real self inventory about why you want to spread rumors about your President.

I just mentioned on another seed that calling someone a liar(or in this case racist) is fair game if it is true. Saying you are not a thief while repeatedly in the process of a burglary does little to get the thief off the hook, despite his/her protestrations.

Especially when he keeps returning to crime.

It is in his/her blood. Like lying. Or the repeated use of false logic to justify/rationalize unwarranted arguments.

Just like the hate these racists have for Obama.

Exactly, notsojingle. I can't think of a time a President has been challenged to prove he is a citizen or that he deserved to be in the University that he was in.

There can only be one reason.

Honestly? I didn't care about Bush's transcript, nor have I thought about it in regard to any other President. You are a different person when you are a young 20 than you are as an adult.

But, nice to see you.

Great to see you again, Friend!

It has become apparent that many with no possible/plausable connection with the Republican Politicians' Bottom Line(If You Are Rich, We Got Your Back) Mentality are somehow drawn to feel some alegance towards the very Party consistently tearing down the foundations for Middle Class to ever reach the most common and regular goals toward which We have strived for with Our Labours.

The Selling Out Club (Romney qualifies for President of THAT!) has flipped so much of the Trade Balance and GDP away for achieving a larger Corporate Profit, more Million$ for the Suits, that it is beyond peculiar that those very folks affected through job loss and diminishing Buying Power by the attack on the Economy through illegal Invasions and Occupations, Improper Energy & Banking Oversights(not discounting the so many other factors, domestically & internationally including many things the Dems do themselves, or don't do to not stop or correct their conterparts in crime, ie) yet do not even realize it. In discussions with several I know, they often just appear the detached from reality, obfuscating and annoyingly consistent at saying the most stupid things without the ability to hear themselves, full of misplaced hate and blame, usually blathering with no instigation to upset an otherwise calm and reasoned situation. And racism is something they ARE very good at disguising, but ultimately will slip their true natures out in the tangled web of lies they live.

It is one thing to espouse a principle in debate, another to claim a lie as a truth.

It is NOT just the Republicans that do it, just most damagingly and frequently.

Pretty sure anyone that read this stream would lean toward you being the racist Newday.

The biggest racist in the room always exposes themselves by being the first to use the term.

Obama bet on the wrong horse? He was told by the Treasury Dept. not to do it. No way you'd cut Bush/Cheney that kind of slack. "Oops, sorry about that Iraq debacle. Wrong pony, dontcha know." Open your eyes. Read a book. It's called cronyism. Remember John Corzine? Didn't think so. Wrong horse, my ass.

The EU meltdown represents an Obama-style failure. But who cares? As long as he's not some greedy capitalist.

"Oops, sorry about that Iraq debacle. Wrong pony, dontcha ."

Are you kdding??? Bush and Cheney made a mess of the world economy. Now you righties want Obama to fix it overnight and get pissed becauseit is not done yet. You can point to Solyndra as the only example of things the President tried that did not work.

The Bush/Cheney debacle caused the lives of over 4000 Americans and probably a million Iraqis.

Cheney is obviously embarrassed by his own record...was a no-show at the unveiling yesterday at the WH.

Not even close on the moral equivalency scale.

Sheila--

Yes, I was kidding, dumbass. My point is that Iraqand the economy have nothing to do with Obama's cronyism. It's really not that hard to understand...well, maybe for you.

Dudelips, Obviously Sheila is not around to offer a rebuttal on this one. For the rest of the readers please be clear at what you are on about. What are you insinuating in these comments and your weird claims...this one is outrageous. "The EU meltdown represents an Obama-style failure." Are you being cute?

And this one? "My point is that Iraq and the economy have nothing to do with (President, sic.mine) Obama's cronyism. It's really not that hard to understand...well, maybe for you." One wonders what you are assuming in your vagueness here. Please explain your thesis with some links and facts to support your position. Stop the juvenile name calling and authoritarian pseudo-intellectual snobbery hints, please stand and deliver something credible in your debate, because until you do, you make no sense at all.

The cheaper Chinese panels were available before the Solyndra loan. This is just one of the reasons why the Treasury advised against the loan.

Newsweek is a liberal apologist rag

How would a leveraged buy out have saved Solyndra? Mitt could have sold off some equipment or patents? We know he would have charged millions in fees and raided any available funds. Look at his real record at Bain. He should have worn an eye patch and had a parrot on his shoulder.

Solyndra's other financing came from several equity firms. Mitt is now attacking venture capitalism. Ironic and creepy.

turnaround specialist like Romney

You are soooooo right, we need someone to drive up our debt, raid our pension funds (SS) and drive us into bankruptcy so he can sell us off in pieces and make $$$$ in profit, that is EXACTLY what our government needs right now. Not roads, not education, not clean alternative enrgy for future generations, we need GREED.

Romney/$$$ 2012 if greed if your Moral!

I guess greed is my moral. If by greed you mean honest enterprise, as opposed to the elitist background Axelrod crap we get with Barry.

elitist background Axelrod crap we get with Barry.

Wow, the projection of teabagger never stops. If you have a problem with elites then any sane rational person would hate Romney, not Obama.

Hence the Axelrod astroturf ideology. Obama's a man of the people, right? Worked on you, dope.

Everybody is self-interested. Repubs at least tend to acknowledge that, whereas demogogues like Obummer hide behind a mask of populism.

We the Corporations

You are soooooo right, we need someone to drive up our debt, raid our pension funds (SS) and drive us into bankruptcy

If youre expecting Romney to do that Ive got bad news for you, Obama beat him to it.

Getting your FACTS from "fisty" and liberal taking points as USUAL Bo. Out of all the liberals that post on these vines, yours seem to be the most "unimaginative". One of these days you are going to SURPRISE me and everyone else and RESEARCH, instead of paste and post. The Bush administration REJECTED Solyndras application. Obama because it seemed to ADVANCE his "green jobs" agenda gave the "green" light to the DOE to give Solyndra the $535 million, and the rest(including taxpayers money) is HISTORY.

http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/solyndra-loan-guarantee-time-line

There you go - the "blame Bush card"

Leaders take responsibility. Losers place blame.

Wrong, Mruseurhead, and perhaps you ought to use yours.

Bush advanced 16 projects, including Solyndra, out of 143 submissions. Source: Media Matters; "What the Press is Getting Wrong about Solydra"; 9/19/2011.

Do read the article, you might learn that Romney is lying AGAIN! By the way, why is it that Romney lies, and those of you who detest your President, for no better reason than his party affiliation or ethnicity, slobber it out without checking and verifying?

Quit blaming Feisty for being right and try to do some research yourself.

Shellback: what is it with you Bushophiles: facts are facts. Quit behaving like that Presidency did not have a tremendously negative impact on America.

Bo,

It was started under Bush but Executed by Obama and after plenty of advice against it. So you are letting Obama off the hook because he merely continued bad ideas and policies put forth by Bush who you call incompetent? Yet when Obama furthers this incompetence you are A-OK with it? You are a total hypocrite.

Bo,

from YOUR LINK:

Bush Administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee before President Obama is inaugurated.
1 Jan 2009

In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush Administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE “without prejudice” because it wasn’t ready for conditional commitment.

Looks like they TRIED to get it through before Obama got in office but it was shot down until it was passed by THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

"Green energy" is in it's infancy and has not failed. The fact that the grid cannot handle this production highlights the need to invest in our infrastructure and the future of energy solution. This is a failure of both parties and their silly pandering and catering to lobbyists and oil companies.

We need "green energy" to succeed and should encourage the oil companies to control it's growth. They have the money, experience and most important-the political clout. Money talks and the politician walks.

This is not a industry to fight over but an industry to encourage and grow. It is only a part of the energy puzzle but it is not a part we want to pay China or Germany to make.

Just love these right wingers that will not admit to the facts even when they are slapped in the face with them.

Bush kept pushing Solyndra, even when he was advised it was a bad investment. Prove us wrong or shut up.

Except for in a drought when you don't have enough water. Lived in CA long enough to remember not flushing toilets or watering lawns due to drought.

Romney's company received millions in tax subsidies and as they ripped off
employee’s pensions guesses who was left to pay that bill? That’s right tax
payers paid for all the pensions Romney pocketed & he did because he knew
that the government will pick up the tab. My, doesn’t that sound like a welfare
queen without the dignity of work he yaps about all the time. Even his Olympics
claim, when you look closer at the stubborn facts you will know that Romney was
failing at being able to manage the Olympics UNTIL the federal government came
in and provided funds which then saved the Olympics. Romney is a coddled
government leech. His claims of his father being poor are a lie as well. Romney’s
father had a damn pony at the age of 5 for Pete’s sake. His family received
refugee funds given out by the government when they escaped Mexico’s wars. Romney’s
grandfather used that money to make a home for himself then start a profitable
home building company. Romney’s family also SUED the Mexican government &
was awarded compensation. All of Romney’s life the government has had his back
and provided a stepping stone to become successful. Now a day Romney says screws
everyone else. Government money is only for the rich.

Conservaterds and their two brain cells, one for breathing and one for standing

As governor of Massachusetts, Romney handed out loans to firms in emerging technology fields, some of them ended up (like Solyndra) going bankrupt. The governor's office noted that those expenditures were part of a stimulus bill he initially opposed but reluctantly supported.

Another reason why the Solyndra hit may prove tricky to execute is that, despite the conventional wisdom, it wasn't simply an Obama administration-backed project. Though the current White House accelerated the loan guarantee -- even as evidence emerged that it could go bad -- the roots of the loan actually emerged during the Bush administration. And the process was facilitated, in part, by a cadre of industry lobbyists of different ideological stripes.

Smart people dont invest their money in losing propositions, only governments do that.

China owns 8% of our debt. We as taxpayers own the largest percentage through SS fund buying bonds.

Obama owes nothing to china or his sugar daddy, you have him mixed up with Romney who even outsources his robo-calls.

Its OVER a half a BILLION Joe.................not million.

Can you understand this,,,,,,Obama WAS NOT PRESIDENT when Solyndra was funded

Bo,

Can YOU understand this. Obama signed the paper and did the deed, he OWNS it. Bush was stupid enough to start it but Obama was stupid enough to follow through with it, and after lots of advice not to. Give credit where credit is due. Hypocrite! Continuing this project was more incompetent than starting funding for it because by the time Obama got a hold of it there was all kinds of advice to scrap the project which the president ignored in an effort to do favors for campaign donor.

Really, 96ws6? Quit embarrassing yourself. Read: Exclusive Timeline: Bush Administration Advanced Loan Guarantee for Two Years; Steven Lacy and Richard Capeton; September 13, 2011.

Learn the difference between fact and rumor.

Newday,

What are you trying to say, that the president had no choice but to sign off on it? Give me a break. He could have stopped it but CHOSE not to.

DOn't get me wrong Newday, Bush was an idiot to start it, but to defend Obama on Solyndra and try to blame it all on Bush is ridiculous. It's akin to the fat girl trying to sue Mcdonalds because she is a fat pig and can't control her own eating habits.

Read the article, or are you afraid to? You might learn that you are WRONG!

Obama administration gave final approval, its on Obama.

Poor Steve: it is difficult to follow facts isn't it? Now. Have someone read and explain that article to you.

Poor Newday, its just so hard for you to admit that your Dear Leader is nothing but a cluster F looking for some place to happen. Obama approved it, he didnt have to, its on him, or is this another of the libs "blame Bush" excuses.

Still can't read Stevie?

newday

I read just fine, can you say the same? Seems like Obama has some explaining to do. September 2009, wasnt your boy Obama President at that time, or maybe youd like to use the ever popular "its Bushs fault" excuse.

Jan. 20, 2009

Obama Administration takes office

Jan. 30, 2009

DOE formalizes agreement with RW Beck for Independent Market Consultant’s Report

Feb. 17, 2009

Sec. 1705 Loan Guarantee Program created by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA).

Feb. 27, 2009

Final draft of Independent Engineer’s report submitted

Sept. 3, 2009

DOE formally issues the loan guarantee to Solyndra (i.e., the deal reaches financial close)

Oh really? Obama was on TV in the damned factory in 2010 saying what a great deal it was.... Sure blame Bush.

I blame Bushbama. Both of them are/were just Puppets being told where to go and what to say.

Have none of you ever seen that it is the same speechwriters no matter the President?

"Let me be perfectly clear..."

Bush was an idiot...

Coulda stopped there! And Obama has been ordered to follow many of the paths W already was ordered to. None of these guys actually dream up any of these projects nor funding, they just sign the checks and make the factory visits.

Obama signed off on it and pushed it through he OWNS it.

Romney claimed the inspector general was involved. lololololololol This guy does not know how to google anything before he says it. What was concluded? lololololol The GOP must be proud!!! lolol

wow and obama wasnt president for another full yr, gee how stupid can u tbagging repugs be?

President Obama, Right of Nixon.

Yet their hate for the guy still makes the Repubs spew the most venomous lies and selective memories to criticize him with after keeping their pie holes cheering the whole time for W...

So obvious, the Hate is.

wrong again bo. they applied and were DENIED by bush and co, and they REAPPLIED, and was pushed through bercause they were bundlers for obama.

obama wont release white house visits because of the unethical nature of the gift. it wasnt a loan. was found to be a failure.

its not that the business failed, it was investigated for years and found not viable, then secret bundlers were handed cash to keep a failing business alive for short term. then gave bonuses to the execs after bankruptcy. obama is a turd. a crooked, lying, communist that we have all had enough of.

Again, Right you are wrong. Here are some facts. Not name calling and a smear campaign.

Let us be clear about the good free enterprises here. There are many that have done well, many that do are ethical and provide a product or a service needed by many. Everyone is happy. Prosperous. We need more of the honest and beneficial businesses here in our towns and cities. We like success. However, many businesses, factories, and Main Street stores have been destroyed in the USA by run away shops and the resulting restrictions on trade that make for a one sided gain and drain away American moneys to internationals and private profits for a few, moneys that do not trickle back in trade to the 99% of us. Nor do we get equally efficient or excellent quality products like we used to have, extra costs are involved in shipping things that we could better make here and use at home...there is a whole big bunch of businesses and problems and solutions here. Things do need to be changed, and some of the policies of the last twenty years have not worked out very well. When a trial or experiment does not work well, it needs to be changed back to what had worked out better. We need to stay open minded enough to admit it and go with what works best.

As for this case, Solyndra, we can spell it out again. Its rather simple. Have you noticed the quality of those nice terry cloth bath towels you got last month at the big mart? Falling apart? Uh oh, guess its not real cotton. More like paper? One of our trade partners where enterprising manufacturers flocked to is CHINA. One of so many things, laminated solar strips and panels, were made more inexpensively there. The USA could not compete because of our laws here for minimal quality and wages, so they could not under price the labor or make their products with shoddy materials that would not pass USA inspection.

However, do not be so sure that solar enterprises like Solyndra are completely gone. It may very well be too early for that as it is such a new innovative field and developments are ongoing. The cylindrical model may disappear or come back in the future in another form or more streamlined and efficient package. There have been recent discoveries with VAWTS in wind power, Vertical Axial Wind Turbines covered with mesh or screens solves the bird problems and more can be gained from the wind in less space too. There has not been a real push to convert over to new tech heating and energy use in the vast number of private buildings and homes here in the USA because of the gatekeepers at the top of the current energy and utility provider enterprises.

No one wants to lose their place, power, wealth, or their business, but I will tell you gung ho righties, theoretically, it is ironic that for all your claims about caring about your fellow man and centralized this or that...the guys at the top of these archaic and damaging businesses are very centralized indeed and not in a good way. In this biz we are decentralized, serving private residences and homeowners, and also commercial buildings. It is not all that way or this way here, there are Republican leaders now driving electric vehicles and very proud of it. No problem. No need for the hate and extremisms. For all of us at the end of the day it is coming down to what actually works.

Here is a link explaining some details and reasons, who's who's, and facts. Please take a moment to read this. These claims against Obama are so outside of the real players and people in charge of this company. Name calling does not explain the topic, offer solutions, or influence anyone...nor does it make YOU look like any kind of an expert on your attempted mean-hearted, immature, name-calling and ego centered explanation at what? Loose words, false claims, accusations and labels backed up by nothing. One thing we all can see that you are very good at is persecution. Who taught you so well. Your parents? Yes, it appears from your own words, you've got some personal projected "issues".

From what we are reading in current events about dangerous pollution, many today are more concerned about the future of our planet and our resources, and we want to get our clean energy alternatives in order to save money, have a better future, manage our work, make our livings, keep healthy and happy, care for our children, avoid murderous wars and achieve the peace to continue to survive into the future. Finding real solutions: That is what is important here.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/nov/15/americans-prosperity/solyndra-ad-president-barack-obama-taxpayer-money/