I concur Convenient ! Also the media uses this strategy not unlike a sporting event where a network or promoter will build both sides up even though there is an obvious underdog . The media depends and engages our emotional bravado that will be displayed on forums such as this . Of course some of us are above such petulance and will try and wade through the reality tv sound bites and baby kissing like a detective trying to piece together a crime scene .

I sometimes think America does not know better .

It's a long time to the elections, and a lot can happen to swing it either way ....

In Colorado, Iowa and Nevada, a more optimistic attitude about the U.S. economy is working in Obama's favor ... In addition, majorities in these states say that the president mostly inherited the current economic conditions.

And they are not eager to return the country to the very people, or political party, that ditched it in the first place; hopefully, the rest of the country comes to the same conclusion before November.

Wow, still at the level of name calling? Such a great contribution to the discussion board. Your mama must be proud of you. Keep up the intelligent conversation because we would be lost without your insight.

We all have heard this before. A 44-44 tie now is a 56-44 victory for the challenger in November.

Don't confuse Wesley with any of Feisty's "Progressive Liberal" stuff.......Let's keep this simple with regressive conservative propaganda and keep our 1% ers with lower taxes and more incentives to keep their money overseas

Well I for one cannot even begin to consider Romney while that psycho trump is around. Trump is nothing but bad news and a vote killer for anyone who sees how dangerously idiotic he is. I cannot believe he is bringing up the birther issue again. America does not need someone obviously imbalanced anywhere near the White house or any other Gov agency. If Trump is allowed to influence any aspect of Gov you can expect far worse than Obama. When the Repubs begin to show a little sanity and common sense, then I may consider what they have to offer. Until then it looks like Obama.

I think Romney will distance himself from Trump when President Obama distance himself from the Bain Capital exec, that is (still) contributing to his campaign... the fact that despite Trumps "Birther" stance, his money spends the same. Romney will have to out spend Obama two to one (especially in battle ground states) and he is on track to do just that. I do predict that Romney will win narrowly... and I will help him in November.

thestuffmaker25 -

You are right and the American voters will fire Obama in a landslide. America should have known better!

LOL you mean, Obama will beat Romney in a narrow election. However, there are no points for second place. America knows better than to put Romney in the White House.

JeezusismyDog

Thanks Homos!!!!! You will be the reason the Pubes win the whitehouse!!!

Thanks bigots. It's because of individuals like you, that the US Supreme Court will decide that protecting heterosexual rights to discriminate against gays/lesbians will be delcared unconsitutional. Gays/Lesbians will be able to get married in every state.

P.S. Doesn't matter who wins the White House or not, this issue will not be decided there.

let-me-just-say-1-thing " I cannot believe he (Trump) is bringing up the birther issue again"

Agreed. That is such a silly issue that it needs to be dropped once and for all.

By the way, I've seen reports that Obama claimed to be born in Kenya when he applied for admission to college to improve his chances of being admitted - Does anyone have any info on that? It's undisputed that Obama's literary agent wrote that Obama was born in Kenya to promote his 1991 book attempt - 'Journeys in Black and White'.

thestuffmaker25

America should have known better!

Is that why Medicare Thief Rick Scott is purging minorities, Democrats and young people off the voter list? Is he so affraid that Americans KNOW BETTER that he has to resort to denying American citizens the right to vote in November?

Lying, and cheating - that's the Republican way.

ROY WILSON-336103

First, you say:

Agreed. That is such a silly issue that it needs to be dropped once and for all.

And then you say:

By the way, I've seen reports that Obama claimed to be born in Kenya when he applied for admission to college to improve his chances of being admitted - Does anyone have any info on that? It's undisputed that Obama's literary agent wrote that Obama was born in Kenya to promote his 1991 book 'Journeys in Black and White'.

Is that your way of "dropping it?"

Road Warrior-252445 "We all have heard this before. A 44-44 tie now is a 56-44 victory for the challenger in November."

Possibly true. I've heard political 'experts' say that the 'Undecideds' typically vote for the challenger by an 80% to 20% margin. If that's true, the election result would be about 54% Romney and 46% Obama if the election was held today - but of course the election is about 5 months away, and lots could happen.

Here's Roy again, knowing a lot of what's not so. In reality the trend line has been in President Obama's favor ever since it became clear that no one would beat Romney for the GOP nomination. It's a modest trend, but just wait until the general election fight begins in earnest. The tendency of voters to like Romney less the more they know about him will take over. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!hiddenpollsters=rasmussen

thestuffmaker25

It does not matter who runs against him. Spongebob and Patrick would be a tight race for Obama.

so I will repeat my question: why are Republicans doing everything they can to eliminate as many Obama votes as possible? If it's so easy to beat Obama, why vowing to spend over $1 BILLION to fight him? According to you, the Repubs should just sit back, relax, and do nothing. Instead, they are denying the right to vote to people like a 91yr old WW2 veteran. The guy sacrificed part of his life for this country , and the Republicans don't give a $hit - PURGED from the list - just like that.

bayllie "And at some point Failin' Palin was trending up, too."

Palin wasn't running for President - I think the Republican candidate was John McCain, and at this time in 2008, Obama led McCain by 4% (47% to 43%), so if we apply the '80% of undecideds going to the Party out of power rule', then Obama would win by a margin of 54% to 46%, which is very close to the actual results of 53% to 46% in 2008.

Current polls show Romney and Obama tied at 45% each, so if we applied the '80% rule', we would likely see a result of 53% Romney to 47% Obama - If the election was held today - but of course it's 5 months away, so time will tell.

Ahh... the Republican way... From Harry S Truman:

“Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home--but not for housing. They are strong for labor--but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage--the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all--but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine--for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing--but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.”

Romney failed as governor, so did Bush. President Obama is a SUPER BRILLIANT MAN WHO SAVE THE USA!!!Dont hate him because he is Black!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're joking right? Please tell me this is sarcasm.

bayllie

thestuffmaker25

America should have known better!

Is that why Medicare Thief Rick Scott is purging minorities, Democrats and young people off the voter list? Is he so affraid that Americans KNOW BETTER that he has to resort to denying American citizens the right to vote in November?

Bayllie,

I live in a liberal county in FL and I haven't heard anything about this purge...can you provide a link with details? I've heard of purging deceased people from the voter list and some over zealous legislation for ID changes (that I hear is being changed), but that's all I've heard about. Thanks.

bayllie "so I will repeat my question: why are Republicans doing everything they can to eliminate as many Obama votes as possible?"

For the same reason that ACORN tried to register as many phony voters as possible that might vote Democratic in 2008 - To win.

Duh.

John-2006106

There's a lot of HOPE FOR CHANGE this November.

After electing the most unqualified person in history to be president,

I usually stop reading there when you jeopardy contestants start your posts with this yammering...horribly shallow.

I agree that Trump is being stupid with the birther issue. However, he does have some good points about how unfair our China trade policies are for US businesses, and the need for US politicians to actually listen to ideas from and be friendly with people in the other party.

ROY WILSON-336103

For the same reason that ACORN tried to register as many phony voters as possible that might vote Democratic in 2008 - To win.

I assume that since you are making a bold claim like that - that you have proof of it? Nah. You'd rather disenfranchise more dem voters.

Obama...One and Done! Good riddance!

ROY WILSON-336103

I think that America has come to the conclusion that, while personally likable, Obama has been a huge FAILURE as President.

Roughly 50% of "America" will vote for Obama... no "huge FAILURE as President" there.

And maybe 20% of the remaining 50% are Independents or "on the fence" voters that could swing in a heartbeat... no "huge FAILURE as President" there either.

And who knows how many are voting for "other than performance" purposes like religion or social issues or pure party affiliation or even race... no "huge FAILURE as President" there either.

So representing "America" as believing Obama has been a total FAILURE is a bit overstating the data, no?

Actually, the only ones that believe he's a total FAILURE are those that make up their own facts and twist their interpretation, Roy.

bayllie... because they're illegal aliens... and dead people... and cartoon characters... and other Democratic "phantom voters"... a la Acorn...

Mike-416 "ROY WILSON-336103 For the same reason that ACORN tried to register as many phony voters as possible that might vote Democratic in 2008 - To win............I assume that since you are making a bold claim like that - that you have proof of it? Nah. You'd rather disenfranchise more dem voters."

Here's just one link, but if you google 'ACORN voter fraud 2008', you can find tons of other links;

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/interestg08/acorn100808prnv.html

By the way - As an attorney, Obama represented ACORN, so I suspect he was well aware of their activities.

Good call,bayllie. And getting worked up about the polls right now is like getting excited over the score in a basketball game 2 minutes into it. Way too early to mean much yet. And I agree with bayllie at 1-22 that Romney is very likely to shoot himself in the foot at some point. I can't see Obama not shredding him in a debate when Romney tries his BS about "answering the questions I want" and "not giving specifics because they'll be used against you". Clearly, Romney cannot speak publicly without saying stupid things that are WAAAYYY outside the mainstream thought process like ," corporations are people,my friend." He is maybe the worst extemporaneous speaker of all time.

The American public is so gullible. At this very moment the Bilderberg Group is secretly meeting in Chantilly, VA (look it up) discussing who they will back for US President this November. Romney/Rubio or Obama/Biden. And why is the mainstream US media giving this important meeting zero coverage?

Because they are scared?

Can't wait to see how that smug arrogant look he loves to wear, looks when he gets sent back to Chicago.

Bottom line is this. Romney or Obama, hmmm Romney or Obama, hmmm oh yeah American or Socialist, guess its Romney. ABO in November and no third party BS to pull votes from Romney. O has to go.

Well Mike... perhaps you can explain to me how ensuring that voters are living US citizens "disenfranchizes" anybody..... I'd like to hear that...

Would somebody PLEASE tell me what the HELL Obama's going to run on?

I'm sure they're not joking - poor grammar and all, which helps explain their unquestioning devotion to Obama. In 2008, voters that dropped out of high school voted for Obama by a 63% to 35% margin.

So let's insult high school dropouts while we're at it. The problem with Republicans is that they're generally too judgmental... when in fact they haven't a clue about the plight of the unfortunate.

So voters that are less capable or have less of a support structure or who are otherwise less fortunate voted for the candidate that shows some empathy and offers a fairer opportunity... wow... big surprise there!

The ones you have to question are the 35% that voted against their own self interest and future.

ROY WILSON-336103

Mike-416 "ROY WILSON-336103 For the same reason that ACORN tried to register as many phony voters as possible that might vote Democratic in 2008 - To win............I assume that since you are making a bold claim like that - that you have proof of it? Nah. You'd rather disenfranchise more dem voters."

Here's just one link, but if you google 'ACORN voter fraud 2008', you can find tons of other links;

I will see your 2008 report and raise you a 2009 congressional report that says their was no fraud. Your bet...

http://www.prwatch.org/spin/2009/12/8789/government-report-absolves-acorn-voter-fraud

Still living in 2008?

marlen101917 - I was at the Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly in 2008. It really wasn't all that exciting. The nuts hanging out outside were kind of entertaining.

Shaking my head-2479300

Bottom line is this. Romney or Obama, hmmm Romney or Obama, hmmm oh yeah American or Socialist, guess its Romney.

20 bucks says you couldnt define socialism if asked...

By the way - As an attorney, Obama represented ACORN, so I suspect he was well aware of their activities.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/17/karl-rove/rove-claims-obama-used-to-be-lawyer-for-acorn/

Wrong. Just wrong. 2008 redux.

Mike-416 "ROY ...Still living in 2008?"

Actually, I'm looking forward to 2013 and a fresh start.

Mccain and Obama was locked in the polls(within margin) also and we all know how that turned out.

Oh Thomas... you kill me... when Mr-Stumble-bumble-without-a-teleprompter goes against Romney in the debates, he's not going to have Axelrod, and Carvey, and the leftist media spinning for him... he's not going to be giving a practiced tome that he's rehearsed over and over. He's going to be alone up there with his failed record, and his lack of leadership experience and his lack of brains, and Mitt's going to filet him like a carp. When he starts spouting his "fair share" class envy BS, Mitt's going to unleash the real numbers of who pays what taxes, and slap him with a "punish success" label that's going to be as indellible as a tatoo. When he tells lies about job creation, energy creation, or any number of other areas where Obama's policies do exactly the opposite of what he says, Mitt's going to unleash facts on him and crush him like a bug. There won't be any Mitt gets 1 min of coverage and Obama gets 20 min bias... Obama is going to wish he was half as smart as he pretends to be. As his canned talking points fail one after the other, watch the petulant little diva get irritated and nasty in front of your very eyes.

Independants are definately going to change this country's leadership come November... and also many of the congressmen that are ripping America off!

LMarcT "By the way - As an attorney, Obama represented ACORN, so I suspect he was well aware of their activities.............Wrong. Just wrong. 2008 redux."

Actually, it's quite true, as reported by the independent news agency Reuters;

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/10/04/idUS78675+04-Oct-2008+PRN20081004


Obama also represented ACORN in forcing banks to make sub-prime loans to unqualified minorities - think subprime loan fiasco/financial collapse in 2008. In fact, Obama was one of the LEAD ATTORNEYS in that case that laid the foundation for the subprime mortgage disaster. Of course, he blamed Bush when the collapse hit.

Here's the link to prove Obama was a lead attorney in the bank lawsuit;

http://www.theurbangrind.net/?p=3117

It is a long way to November, a lot can happen!

America needs to survive another summer of recovery!

Mitt is unFitt ...to be president

O'bama/O'Biden 2012

ROY WILSON-336103

Mike-416 "ROY ...Still living in 2008?"

Actually, I'm looking forward to 2013 and a fresh start.

I find it funny that you did not acknowledge your bologna about ACORN and the report saying they did nothing wrong. Typical repub I guess.

Obama got Osama and saved GM and Chrysler. This is the main theme for the reelection of President Barack Obama.

Barack Barry Obama got Osama, like Carter could do it, Osama was killed by our special forces with Bush Intel from water boarding, GM is alive and could be alive anyway , after a bancrupcy and reestructuration process without bail out money, the bailout was to maintain full benefit to unions GM still owe 23 billions, thousand of people got fire, Pontiac , Saturn where shut down, hundred of dealers close and their employees join the line of unemployed.

The economic news this morning is very concerning. 1.9% GDP growth cannot pay for the deficit spending/stimulus that Washington is throwing out, and decreasing job growth combined with Europe looks like a recession is possible.

Obama's economic plan has failed. The Republican's have not put forth a plan that will work.

We need fiscal responsible government, now.

Sometimes you just want to slap the Hell out of the Republicans and Democrats.

Apparently, in the United States, we have 50 states, but 5 of them decide the nation's leader, thanks to re-districting by the a-holes. In a way, the US deserves all the Bulls**t it gets for having Democrats and Republicans and no other real options. What is a shame is the idiots who still strictly vote a one party ticket.

I find it funny that you did not acknowledge your bologna about ACORN and the report saying they did nothing wrong. Typical repub I guess.

Yea, they've never done anything wrong....

Many more then what I have listed at the following link...

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

AR
1998
A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

CO
2005
Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

2004

An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.

CT
2008
The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.

FL
2009
In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.

2008
Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.

2004
A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

IN
2008
Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

@ Derek-381097

Couldn't have said it better... choosing the lessor of two evils for each vote. I really can't believe people vote straight party line... sheep.

In addition, majorities in these states say that the president mostly inherited the current economic conditions.

Could that also be the reason that so many are ready to oust him? After three years he is still playing the blame game while others are tired of hearing about it. He has done nothing to correct the problems that he bought into.

Maybe people are realizing that he is so immature that he will continue to blame the last administration for his failed policies of his previous administration if he were re-elected.

Great leaders accept what they "inherit" and try to improve it - no matter the condition. Followers trudge along bemoaning the lack of leadership or the deplorable conditions they are working with - always finding excuses for why they are so ineffective.

Obama has had four years to give us the change that we can believe in - let's give Gov. Romney a chance.

Regardless of your politics, Romney is a much more qualified candidate than Obama.

Independants are definately going to change this country's leadership come November... and also many of the congressmen that are ripping America off!

Sirie

If it is true that there are many members of Congress need to go , it also true, Obama and Democrats controlling Congress never where willing to work across party lines, not even among their own members, it is clear that demonizing Congress Obama would be victorious, for Obama was not enaugh go into the attack of Congress he also is in attack of the Supreme Court, I guess Obama and the left don't like our Constitution and how our system work.

Okay, it is pretty apparent reading comprehension is not at the forefront on First Read. Got to tone down the comments again, from average, to below average intelligence.

NERF TEH DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS, I WAN'T MY MONEY. WAAAGH!!!!

Here's your bottle, political extremists. Please go back to bed now.

I really think all the absolutely rabid Republicans on here need to go visit one of the electoral college map sites and review how things stand from an electoral college perspective. While it is very possible for things to change between now and November, Obama would appear to have a significant electoral advantage at this time - even on the relatively pro-Republican sites. In fact the three "battleground states" referenced in this article probably won't even impact the decision if states like Michigan and Pennsylvania go Obama. Until the US changes the way our voting process works, the eletoral math is much more important than the popular vote...

You need a picture ID to:

buy a car

register a car

buy liquor

drink liquor

buy a weapon

use a weapon in public

My son is blind, he has a picture id so he can function in this country. Why do you not need a picture ID to vote.

Both Colorado and Nevada will go Romney, the mormon vote is just too big in those areas. it's not looking good for Obama at this point, Florida will go Romney and Virginia will too. Obama should focus on Iowa and the rest of the upper midwest it maybe his only chance.

Apply the New York Times' 4 point pro-Republican "registered voter"-to-"likely voter" adjustment and you have Romney ahead in all 3 states.

"In fact the three 'battleground states' referenced in this article probably won't even impact the decision if states like Michigan and Pennsylvania go Obama." - Don't Be A Moron

Michigan in particular isn't considered a "battleground state" since they've voted Democrat for President for the past 20 years. Pennsylvania also is not considered toss-up at this point. Of the 11 true toss-up states, only 3 are currently leaning Obama when the "registered voter"-to-"likely voter" adjustment is made, but -- and this is a big but -- Obama is losing ground in all 3 of those states. Also when that "likely voter" adjustment is made, in the most recent polling Oregon moves from lean-Obama to tied.

Were one to apply the NYT "likely voter" adjustment to the most recent polling, Obama would only have 269 electoral votes and that's counting Oregon in Obama's count.

Here's the Real Clear Politics electoral map:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

"If Americans knew the full truth about Obama's dismal, unprofessional, divisive performance, yes, all we would have to do is sit back and let the people decide. However, the Democrat "spin machine" dwarfs George Orwell's doublespeak by comparison, so it's necessary to publicize the facts. That's why I urge people to contribute as much as they can to Mitt Romney's campaign."

Wow this guy believes everything Fox tells him. The 24hr news cycle would have informed us if Obama was screwing up but all I heard was about GM saved and Unemployment going down and terrorist getting killed. 1 billion dollars to defeat Obama says it all. He was doing a good job and the GOP is mad and vows to take him down. lololololol That is why they are called "Teabaggers" because they bag the tea bag !!! lolololol

Honestly people, what would you rather have, a President who's had to struggle with the worst Congress in history, or a business man who made money firing people?

And the collection of conservatives on this thread need to take into account the young people. My nephew, who's going into high school and lives in Austin, is volunteering for a state representative to raise money for the Obama campaign. We've seen the new generation change world in the Middle East, and with college kids absolutely loving the President, I do believe he'll be back in November.

@ Princess

Obama had the Senate and House his first 2 years, and his stimulus didn't work.

@cdahl,

The Republicans had something called a filibuster that they used on every occasion. Nothing got through it. His stimulus was meant to try and stable the markets, not turn it around instantly. Today's economy, along with the way people think, means that bills like Roosevelt's New Deals and whatnot will never happen. You can thank capitalism for that.

Jolly old: It seems you may be confusing the undeniable constitutional right of voting with privileges like driving a car or "using a weapon in public" - good Lord.

@ Princess,

You really aren't going with the argument that Obama only had 59 senators, and not the 60 Super Majority, therefore he couldn't govern???

"Yes We Can" has turned into "Well, We Tried"

Upset

Any right can be regulated, carry a gun is a right but has regulations, freedom of speech is a right but has also regulations, Voting is a right but has to have regulations, among them iidentify the person that is voting, doing that is not to take any right away, is to make sure the result of the election is not altered and the voters are only the ones that have that privilege.

"Stimulas did not work" lololol Wow teabaggers are really dull!!! lolololol

sboon398
Both Colorado and Nevada will go Romney, the mormon vote is just too big in those areas. it's not looking good for Obama at this point, Florida will go Romney and Virginia will too. Obama should focus on Iowa and the rest of the upper midwest it maybe his only chance.

Iowa is very small with just 6 electoral votes and it's tied after 5 solid years of Obama campaigning. Wisconsin is going GOP, after an intense recall fight where the Dems blew millions in futility. North Carolina has rejected the Dems. Florida has been run by the GOP for 20 years. Obama might still get Ohio and he'll need it.

There has been more Proven Voters fraud in the GOP primaries but no one said anything about that! lolololololol Teabags will be teabags!!!

Mike-416 "ROY WILSON I will see your 2008 report and raise you a 2009 congressional report that says their was no fraud. Your bet..."

Your link was by a Democratic controlled committee that found in favor of ACORN on a minor campaign finance issue. I noticed you ignored all of the other claims of voter fraud in numerous states.... Your bet.

Princess Celestia
Honestly people, what would you rather have, a President who's had to struggle with the worst Congress in history, or a business man who made money firing people?

And the collection of conservatives on this thread need to take into account the young people. My nephew, who's going into high school and lives in Austin, is volunteering for a state representative to raise money for the Obama campaign. We've seen the new generation change world in the Middle East, and with college kids absolutely loving the President, I do believe he'll be back in November

We've also seen a complete rejection of the Obama agenda in 2010 and every incumbent thrown out of office in Europe this year.

I am so proud of the great job that the President is doing. He is, and will be seen in history, as a tremendously succesful president, far and away better and more succesful than the previous office holder. If you think Romney will help you, and you are not a millionaire, you are truly stupid.

@John,

I referenced to the Middle East, not Europe. I don't quite see the transition, other than the EU helping the Libyan rebels.

Pigotry
Mitt is unFitt ...to be president

This is essentially the Obama campaign in six words. Nothing about Obama's record of successes, because there are none.

Princess nobody cares about the middle east with an additional $5 trillion in debt, 26 million unemployed or underemployed and a president who just doesn't get it..

Romneyismynightmare. sounds like class warfare and Obama's constant blame game are working well for you. Just a side note, those of us who don't vote for someone simply based on their party will decide the election. No, I did not vote for Bush, but was not stupid enough to vote for Obama (the man that had and still has no experience and the media gave and give a pass to on EVERYTHING). While I don't agree with Romney on many things, I agree with Obama on at best, 5% of his agenda.

6 Trillion more in debt (faster than any President in History) with continued wasteful spending is enough for me to give ANYONE a chance over the current moron-in-chief. With that said, the last one was also a fool, but unlike the sheep you are.

Romneyismynightmare

You might want to be careful posting stuff like that, there are a lot of teabagging trolls in here from Fox. lolololol

Well, sorry John, but I do. Between Syria's bloody tyrant, the US still in Afghanistan, and having to back up Israel when it attacks Iran, you should care. But like too many Americans, you only care about domestic policies, and that doesn't work in today's world. Plus, you're exaggerating. The number of people unemployed is half of what you said. And need I remind you that Romney openly said that he likes firing people.

Obama will win Pennsylvania and Ohio, game over!

@ Pissed off person

I'd like to see one item of fact in you post to give your opinion some legitimacy. For example, when you type:

"Stimulas did not work" lololol Wow teabaggers are really dull!!! lolololol

I'll respond with:

The estimated population of the United States is 312,866,820
so each citizen's share of this debt is $50,246.92.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.93 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Or

Projected and Recent US Federal Debt Numbers

Gross Federal Debt
Debt Held by Public

FY 2013*
$17.5 trillion
$10.6 trillion

FY 2012*
$16.4 trillion
$9.7 trillion

FY 2011
$14.8 trillion
$8.5 trillion

FY 2010
$13.5 trillion
$8.2 trillion

FY 2009
$11.9 trillion
$6.8 trillion

FY 2008
$10.0 trillion
$5.3 trillion

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html

I don't call that working. I call that buried so deep in debt that you can't possible get out. And if you are counting in GDP increasing like it has in the past and using tomorrow's increases to pay for today's spending, today's 1.9% number should be sobering.

So,

What is your argument that Obama's fiscally responsible plan is working?

Pissedoffperson:

.....and if anybody here knows something about trolls, I'd be betting on you, big guy.

Note: the Marist polls typically are registered voters. What counts is the "Likely Voters" because it is those who say they are planning on voting.

When you look at the Delegate counts, those numbers are based on the average of the 3, 4 or 5 latest polls regardless if they were Registered voters, Likely voters, or just all Americans. Currently, Registered voter polls have a tendancy to favor Obama, and likely voter polls tend to favor Romney. Over half of the polls conducted are Registered voters, so Obama is going to be favored on that scenario.

Don't put your hopes on those maps, because the likely voter polls dont support the numbers seen in registered voter polls.

Pissedoffperson, I know you are being sarcastic, but I will say to you and anyone else, I am not scared of anybody.

@princess....you have your issues, the rest have theirs. The civilian labor force is 154,000,000. The U-6 is 14.5% of that, or 22,330,000 unemployed or underemployed according to Obama's Labor Dept. IF the U-6 was calculated on the 162,000,000 labor force we had when Obama took office. obviously the number would be much, much higher.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

ROY WILSON-336103

bayllie "And at some point Failin' Palin was trending up, too."

Palin wasn't running for President - I think the Republican candidate was John McCain, and at this time in 2008,

Yes, Roy, she was not running for president but she was strategically picked by the GOP to help McCain's limp ticket which she did...for 5 minutes...like I said, until she opened her mouth. And then she became Republican's biggest regret.

Don't forget, Romney lost to the guy who lost to President Obama.

Ron-1861300

I live in a liberal county in FL and I haven't heard anything about this purge...can you provide a link with details?

sorry Ron for the dely in replying but got busy this afternoon...Where in FL do you live? I lived in Tampa for few years but moved back to Mass.

Here is the story on Rick Scott's new adventure:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/31/154020289/world-war-ii-vet-caught-up-in-floridas-voter-purge-controversy

he is one of many American citizen's who is going through this. Many in FL are transplants, therefore it will be hard for them to get out of state birth certificates and meet deadlines, and that's what Scott is hoping for.

I've heard of purging deceased people from the voter list and some over zealous legislation for ID changes (that I hear is being changed), but that's all I've heard about.

Just because there are dead people still on voter lists does not mean that there is voter fraud. The national voter fraud is something like 0.003%. I think DNA tests are less accurate.

The point is why do this 5 months before an election and target mostly minorities and Democrats? Why FL again? I find the whole thing despicable.

ROY WILSON-336103

Your link was by a Democratic controlled committee that found in favor of ACORN on a minor campaign finance issue. I noticed you ignored all of the other claims of voter fraud in numerous states.... Your bet.

Roy, ACORN brought this to the authorities: few workers forged info to make a few extra bucks. Please show me proof how this was anything other than a few idiots trying to make some extra money.

Please show me how this ACORN thing was proven to be this big conspiracy...you can't, can you?

Now let's talk about real voter fraud: like the Republicans:

Charlie White

or

Thaddeus McCotter who turned in 2,000 petition signatures to get on August primary ballot, but all except 244 have been deemed invalid because of rampant duplicated copies, and fake info. He calls it a SABOTAGE.

Romneyismynightmare you are a brave and a strong women for standing your ground. I respect that and the teabaggers don't.

I truely know that if you have to put together 1 billion to defeat President Obama he is doing something good for America and bad for corporations. This money is not coming from individuals but corporations who want to go tax free. This shows the stupidity of those who follow people who sign a pledge to someone other then the country they say they are going to improve. They say the Stimulas did not work yet they fail to go to the CBO.gov to see for themselves.

They believe Romney will fix America because he knows business yet he screwed up maine (47 of 50 in job creation and biggest debt per citazen) and only produce money for bain not jobs. They say he produced 100000 job at bain and President Obama already had 4.3 million jobs created and thats with the govt dropping to it lowest levels. President Obama already did a lot for the middle class (the true Job creators) and these morons are afraid to look up the information. The Gop wrecked this country and they blame the teachers and police unions and the stupid believe it. I can go and see exactly where my tax dollars are going but 5 years ago GWB hid almost all of the debt from the public.

Im getting a refund from my health insurance because they did not spend the required amount on my family last year. Who did that for me? HCR!!!

I pay a tax on everything I do yet these morons go after the poor,Why? because they don't make enough money to pay taxes but that's how stupid these teabaggers are. 35000 people making 200000 a year or more paid no taxes whos going after them? These liptards drive around in these flag covered buses and they think its a grass roots organization.

bayllie

I've cited enough stories about voter fraud by ACORN, and you can find tons of them if you google 'ACORN voter fraud', so give it a rest - time to move on - almost everybody knows about ACORN's voter fraud, which is a large part of why they went out of business after they ran out of federal taxpayer money to sign up voters for Obama.

Pissedofperson,

You have used the words "teabag" or "teabaggers" 8 TIMES in you above post! I'm not saying people from both sides don't name call from time to time but you are reaching the point of being just another irrelevant, ranting, political hack, if you can't add something to the debate other then name calling. Plus calling everyone who disagrees with you a "teabagger" is old and tired, at least try and come up with something new and original.

I actually had to come in and edit my post because you posted again and added more teabagging languauge to your total. LOL Seriously man go get medicated.

DB Akron "Note: the Marist polls typically are registered voters. What counts is the "Likely Voters" because it is those who say they are planning on voting."

Correct. And there was a lot of enthusiasm over the prospect of the 'First Black President' in 2008 that resulted in lots of new registered voters, who are very disenchanted with Obama and are less likely to vote for him again.

The other problem with some pollsters is that they sometimes use old data to estimate the split between 'Democrat, Republican, Independent' - for example, in 2008, the spread was Democrats = 39%, Republicans = 32%, and Independents = 29%, but the latest polls suggest the spread is 36% Republican, 34% Democrat, and 30% Independent. That's a 'swing' of 9% against the Democrats that may be an error some polls.

Roy, ACORN brought this to the authorities: few workers forged info to make a few extra bucks. Please show me proof how this was anything other than a few idiots trying to make some extra money.

CO - Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

MO - Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.

Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.

During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.

OH - ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.

Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.

An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.

WA
2007 - Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Wow you believe that? Acorn was cleared of voters fraud, the only one still condemning them is FOX? Hmmmmmm, thats strange! I wonder where you get your news.

by the way its easy to create websites, very easy.

And Logic this is for you, Teabagger!!!

Bailey, This entire process derived from jury duty lists where people were seen as unable to serve because they are illegal aliens (as reported by themselves to prove they cant be called to jury duty)

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You have Hoekstra in Michigan, Coffman in Colorado, Walker in Wisconsin... When these Yahoo's with their ugly comments and deeds are added to ads that will come out about Romney saying "Let Detroit go bankrupt," Michigan will go for the president, letting foreclosures "hit bottom," Nevada will go for the president, and "self deportation," New Mexico will go for the president, etc. --

The GOP (Rick Scott AKA Voldermort) in the swing state of Florida that is already trying to steal the election by purging voter registration AGAIN (Katherine Harris!) is the one state to worry about. My gawd these jagoffs stoop so low, time and again.

Romney -- He's not in it for you. Obama/Biden - 2012!

Pissedoffperson

Mccain and Obama was locked in the polls(within margin) also and we all know how that turned out.

Yep, the candidate from the party out of power won. Probably turn out the same way this time.

Since ACORN went out of business why are Conservatives still whining about them as if there's something current there?

@ John B

I'd have to agree. Acorn is a non-issue and although I never really looked into them, ACORN seemed to be a pretty valid and needed organization with the exception of a few bad individuals. I can forgive that and assume that even though the cater to a segment of the population that tends to vote one direction it doesn't make them a bad organization.

ACORN pleads guilty in Nevada voter fraud case

he Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Wednesday that ACORN defense attorney Lisa Rasmussen entered the guilty plea to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters.

Under a deal, 12 other felony counts were dropped against the organization.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/06/acorn-pleads-guilty-nevada-voter-fraud-case/#ixzz1wTaPstnU

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/06/acorn-pleads-guilty-nevada-voter-fraud-case/#ixzz1wTaAmsnE

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/06/acorn-pleads-guilty-nevada-voter-fraud-case/

Too much rank partisanship, too little basic math. Look, the stimulus failed, and no, it wasn't contemplated to simply stop the bleeding, it was proposed as a way to reverse course. Here in math terms in every way more favorable to Mr. Obama than reality should allow is why it failed: Mr. Obama claims 4 million jobs have been saved and/or created since he became president. Since Mr. Obama became president we've added $2 trillion more in debt than the previous trend adjusted for lower tax receipts would have predicted, but lets just go with the $800 bn in the stimulus itself.

Now, the magic of math. $800 bn divided by 4 million jobs equals $200,000 for each job. Given that about half of all wage earners pay no net federal income tax, that means that about 2 million of those jobs, for the stimulus to be a success, would have to produce enough tax revenue to repay the $800 bn, adjusted for decreased social welfare benefits due to people being employed and so on, and it just won't happen. Even if the average wage of all of the 4 million jobs was $100k per year, the tax revenue for the general fund that results would be only about five billion per year. I don't know about you, but the odds people will work for 160 years, and this doesn't include the time value of money, are likely small.

So, no, the stimulus was a complete failure. It failed to do what was promised. Even if you take all the positive claims made by those who support it the stimulus still made the entire nation less wealthy, and made our future less prosperous. We'd have been better to simply write checks to people or drop money from planes flying overhead. The stimulus was a concoction created by people who do not understand business in order to help their political friends who are in business, to curry favor among public sector unions, and to offer to a fairly economically illiterate population the mirage of economic hope.

If for no other reason, and there are so many more reasons, Mr. Obama should be defeated in November because of the stimulus he demanded. Both were and are epic failures.

It does not matter which POLITICAL PARTY wins, or even which "side" wins, because We The People -- the CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- will still lose.

It will be more of the same, but only a little bit "different".

Princess Celestia , When you mentioned the worst congress ever. I assume you're talking about the 2006 Democrats that started the Great Recession right?

For Obama to even be TIED right now is a very bad sign for Obama for several reasons:

1) The media always inflates slightly the Democrat numbers. Remember Bush again Kerry? Kerry was up by as much as 6 points the week of the election and he lost. I don't know if it is intentional by the media or just the polls are not worded correctly or what. But it always tends to lean towards the Republicans. Look at 2008, some polls had Obama up by as many as 10% and only won by something like 6%.

2) To be under 50% in the polls is AWFUL!! For a SITTING president to only have 45% saying they will vote for him a little over 5 months out is not a good sign. And with all indicators showing the economy is getting WORSE then that 45% may not even hold.

3) And related to #2 when you have 10% "undecided" almost all of those will go to the challenger (or Romney). How can I say that? Simple really (and history confirms)-when a person is asked if they would vote for the SITTING president and they say "undecided" that is like telling a married man his marriage was unlawful and would need to get married again then asking if he would remarry his wife. If he says he is "undecided" then there is a VERY good chance he will not remarry. If he doesn't know by now then most of those won't get swayed. Some will go back to Obama (and for the life of me I just don't see why a person would later decide to vote FOR more failure) but they will be less than those who go to the challenger (Romney).

History shows about 75% of "undecided" goes to the challenger. So if we are in a 45% to 45% with 10% "undecided" history shows 7.5% of the "undecided" will go Romney and 2.5% Obama. That would make it 47.5% Obama and 52.5% Romney if history is correct. Now, a lot can change between now and November but for Obama to be in this bad of shape 5 months out it is possible we could have another "Jimmy Carter" type election. Landslide. We'll see but Obama certainly can be happy with his current position.

Hey Quacked,

I'm not sure I disagree with your conclusion, even if we might get to it from different directions. Most Americans today seem to want free stuff--that is, stuff free to them paid for by someone else (usually someone not even yet alive who can't say no) and free stuff never contemplated until fairly recently to be a federal power. Republicans are not as good as democrats at giving away free stuff, but they are learning, and even though republicans historically have wanted less government, and still do when compared to democrats, they have voted for ever larger government ever since the American people discovered that they could vote themselves other people's money.

Being the lesser of the evils isn't much of a campaign platform, but maybe it is enough just for now, just to give us a little more time to sort this out enough to convince some voters that more federal spending produces none of the benefits of nirvana proponents claim, and have the unfortunate negative consequence of making each of us less free in the process. In a self-governing republic is it not the duty of the people themselves to avoid becoming serfs?

Rich-281385 "Now, the magic of math. $800 bn divided by 4 million jobs equals $200,000 for each job."

That's only if you accept that Obama created 4 million jobs, but according to the official government Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 134,379,000 people working when Obama took office, and as of April 2012, the total is only 132,989,000 people working, for a net LOSS of 1,390,000 jobs since Obama took office.

Since you can't divide by a negative number of jobs 'created' (at least for this purpose), the $800 billion spent did nothing useful - just more debt.

PS - Since the historical average number of net new people entering the workforce each month is about 160,000, not only did a net of 1,390,000 people lose their jobs, but an additional 6.7 million new people have entered the workforce in the last 3.5 years - only to find no job opportunities.

No matter how people try to 'spin' it, Obama has been a huge FAILURE.

and saved GM and Chrysler.

....with money that was not his to spend.

Correction: Only GM and Chrysler can save GM and Chrysler.

And for the record, HE didn't really save anything. (if you want to get accurate about it, the American Sucker Taxpayer did.)

What he did do however, was to take money, by force, from those who earned it and handed it over to a business which already had a pretty crappy track record for decision making.

Now, I have some investments... but GM was certianly never part of my plan. I could tell that they were not living up to their full potential so therefore chose not to invest in them.

But Hallelujah! Thanks be unto the Commander in Thief, I no longer have to think about those kinds of decisions - because Dear Leader now makes those decisions for me. Whether I wanted to invest in GM was a completely moot point and not good enough for the president - And so... I am now an investor in GM.

You cannot justify stealing and bullying on any level - no matter HOW worthy you think your cause or your goal is. It's still wrong. When a company is not required to face the music and the folly of their own foolish business practices - And others are made to foot the bill for them, it's only a matter of time before the whole thing falls apart - it's simply not sustainable as a business model.

And I frankly don't give a damn that they may or may not pay back the money. That's not the point. It is not a legitimate function of government to take it from me or from you for the purpose of shoring up their shoddy management practices.

Unfortunately Romneyismynightmare, there are a lot of stupid people in this country. Just read the comments on Newsvine, for example

Roy -

Actually, you can divide by a negative number, but the result is imaginary - just like Obama's record.

Rich-281385 "Now, the magic of math. $800 bn divided by 4 million jobs equals $200,000 for each job."

The only way that could be worth it is if the money also bought things of value, like roads, bridges, schools, other public structures, weatherization...maybe if 1/3 of it went to tax cuts instead of just paying salaries that would make a difference as well.

Oh, yeah, WE DID THOSE THINGS.

Just look at all those collapsed comments!! Proof positive that the libbies are in panic mode. It's a Poll, dip sticks! Nobody's counting votes until November, but if you're scared, GOOD! Maybe you should pay attention to news sources other than the Huff and Puff Post and MSNBC...

I had enough experimenting with Obama, the experiment is a failure. Tell me if you disagree, but first answer this question. Are you / your family / nation better off now, since Obama took office, than you / we were a few years ago?

I don’t think so!

Now that Mitt Romney is apprenticed to Donald Trump, can anyone take him seriously? It was interesting to see him getting off of his flight with his Mary Poppins bag in hand, under the huge Donald Trump sign. Is Donald Trump running for president and taking Mitt along for the ride? Or is the puppet master just pulling the strings to get Mitt to turn some flips?

Hi John B,

Well, not really. I seem to remember a certain president stating, upon the realization that stimulus spending wasn't creating much economic growth, something about there not being any shovel-ready jobs, or words to that effect. Some weatherization programs seem to have cost about $25,000 per home weatherized--now that is A LOT of caulking, you know? Look, you obviously missed the entire point I was trying to make, and which Roy amplified: Even IF you take the most reality-challenged and delusional numbers in favor of Mr. Obama, which would be those numbers presented by Mr. Obama without rebuttal, then the cost/benefit of ARRA is still wildly unfavorable.

It is not enough to say that things were worse than we expected (they weren't), or that we at least stopped the free-fall (economies always fall until prices become rational--look at investors now buying up foreclosed properties for example). See, Mr. Obama, and his supporters like you, argued something very different. Your claim was that he, and his policies, would make the nation BETTER. But using even the most favorable numbers for your cause you cannot make any claim other than your policies made things worse.

On this matter I side with Mr. Miller, above, but would make the point that the stimulus was more about political payback and subsidizing states so that they would not have to face the budgetary music. If we want the things you claim this was all about creating, then we should make the hard political choices. What you supported was to steal from our unborn heirs so that you didn't have to make a difficult choice today. How can this be moral?

ps--a way to have borrowed the money to live beyond our means today, while still making it a hard choice, was possible. We could have slashed future entitlement costs as a way to pay back the money we would borrow today in order to save ourselves today. Personally I would still oppose this since the vast majority of the spending is for extra-constitutional purposes, but that is another argument.

"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."

-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Only one stat matters- When the economy is in the tank and unemployment is high- undecideds go for the challenger- period. Right now there are more than 25% of the population that fall into that category- which has got to make Obama stay up nights worried... This is the exact scenario that got Reagan elected.

Landslide in favor of Romney!

One of the most telling statistics of these polls is that the economy outweighs social issues in terms of importance in the coming election. And wouldn't you know it? Romney consistently outshines President Obama in people's expectations in his handling of economic affairs. I think President Obama realizes that he has a huge problem right now, which explains why he has begun aggressively campaigning so early.

Brilliant line, coming from someone like FDR. I'd rather crawl with my own money than have someone like him using the government as an instrument of plunder to steal it from other people in an effort to buy votes... and teaching me how to walk.

Sounds very familiar with regard to the arrogance of the current administration, the likes of which has not been seen since the day FDR himself was wheeled up the disabled access ramp to the gates of hell.

Tammy-311614 "Roy - Actually, you can divide by a negative number, but the result is imaginary - just like Obama's record."

Thanks - I appreciate a good laugh.

Let's see now - $800 Billion for 1.39 million jobs lost = $575,000 per job LOST.

The troll level has increased a lot and they are just repeating Fox talking points.

The troll level has increased a lot and they are just repeating Fox talking points.

Nothing like a little fact and data to back up your point!

However, Romney just became the Republican Candidate yesterday while Obama has been campaigning for 3 1/2 years now....Having to defend States he won in 2008 .....the bloom is off the rose....Obama was an Idea in 2008, now he has a record....

Mike, Romney has been campaigning for President for 7 years without ever breaking out. Large numbers of people say they don't even really know who he is, which is shocking for someone who's been in the public eye for so long. Worse yet, the more people get to know Romney the less they like him. All bad signs for the Republican nominee.

You are a Donald Trump man and your lunacy is to be a homophobe. Mitt Romney can have your vote and all others of your ilk. Look around you. You have gay relatives, gay coworkers, gay classmates and they're all Americans. Join the 21st Century you social Luddite.

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Dems always get the high electoral vote states like NY and CA, but Repubs get most of the states away from the coast which makes it a draw. That's why states like NC, FL and OH where high electoral votes are at stake are called battleground states. Whoever wins those states will be President.

Road Warrior-252445 "Dems always get the high electoral vote states like NY and CA, but Repubs get most of the states away from the coast which makes it a draw. That's why states like NC, FL and OH where high electoral votes are at stake are called battleground states. Whoever wins those states will be President."

Correct - That's why the vast majority of election spending will occur in those states. I live in California (unless I'm in Costa Rica, like now), so I will largely be spared the excessive campaign rhetoric.

By the way - Obama's only chance is to go negative in a big way, but that generally discourages more Democrats from voting than Republicans, so Obama has a tough campaign ahead.

Remember the Rovian techniques...always accuse your opponent of what you're already doing yourself. As a resident of one of those battleground states I can tell you that Romney's campaign was heavily negative in the primary campaign and he's done nothing positive or even informative now that he's back on air here.

John B, Des Moines, IA

Mike, Romney has been campaigning for President for 7 years without ever breaking out.

Romney used Mass like a pimp uses a prostitute. He got what he wanted and then dump his office.

Wesley Mouch II

And his Marxist record aint pretty!

Honestly? LOL You dont even know what that means ffs. Let me guess - you still want to see his birth certificate too?

Romney used Mass like a pimp uses a prostitute. He got what he wanted and then dump his office.

What are you talking about???

As governor, Romney presided over a series of spending cuts and increases in fees that eliminated an up to $1.5 billion deficit. He signed into law the Massachusetts health care reform legislation, which provided near-universal health insurance access via subsidies and state-level mandates and was the first of its kind in the nation.

Balancing the budget while providing Universal Health-care for the state is the equivalent of a PIMP??? If that's how Pimps treat their girls then the girls have it better then I thought. Since Obama has not balanced the budget or even cut the deficit yet has raised it more then any other President in history while passing a Health Care bill that DOESN'T cover everyone and may be Unconstitutional, what does that make him? What's worse then a Pimp?

Funny thing about those poles, you've got to read the fineprint:

Poll results from 435 random people we contacted from our list of 1,000 people whom like to receive political polls, especially ones where we are looking for specific results. Results based on +/- 10% accuracy, the way we asked the questions (IE- If Romney were to advocate dropping nuclear weapons on Iran his first day in office, would you vote for Romney or Obama?)

Polls shmolls. It's pandering 101 from people trying to get the simpleton vote and more of your hard earned money for their candidates. Try something productive, like taking a walk.

Mitt the Unfitt is heading toward his certain defeat in November

It's like deciding if I want to drown or burn up in a fire. Either choice is not good for the American people.

NBC touting their messiah as even in the polls? Softening the blow of defeat this fall.

Where are those 86% approval rating they had for him 5 days after his swearing in?

Trust, the choice of Romney is far more dangerous to the average american. And I know you all think I am a Dem(I am not) I just see in Romney someone who would be so incredibly bad for this country as president that I am speaking out and will be working against his election

Rom and Trust- I get your points. I see it as this- Romney is more of the same old Republican model, with a business background. Obama is what he is- a want-to-be elitist politician who's enjoying his power and has no idea of how to run a country. Romney has a chance at hearing the American public about the national debt and an overbearing government, Obama is providing more of that. Like it or not, we can't afford another four years of Obama and a Congress with no fiscal resolve.

I thought I was a Dem, until Obama. But then if I even think of voting for a Republican, I usually throw up. Now I'm writing in Ron Paul, he may be nuts, but he's the best option out of a fake 2 party candidacy.

If Ron Paul would just change parties(he loses alot of respect from Indies like me as a GOPer)and become anti corporate, like to disavow the "Corporations are people too" mentality, he would be alot more attractive to alot more people.

Polls are meaningless and couldn't agree more with JoeNY.

My take on the majority of the following groups

Women Vote - Obama

Gay Vote - Obama

Minority Vote - Obama

College Vote - Obama

Working Poor - Obama

Retired - Obama

Government Workers - Obama

Intelligensia - Obama

Whats left

Middle Class - Split due to lack of education

1,2 and 5 %'s - Romney

Prediction Obama in a landslide.

Kevin -

I'm a woman and a member of a minority. I have a college degree and I'm middle class. According to you, I should vote for Obama. I'm also a veteran.

I didn't vote for the Chicago crook the first time, why would I do so this time?

This part of the NewsVine commentaries deserves a reporting of the reply I gave to 'Bob,' of whom was rooting for Romney to become president, over President Obama. 'Bob' claimed that Romney is a superior choice over Obama by citing Romney's accomplishments when he attended college.

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"Bob,"

Do you really want to compare ex-Governor Romney to President Obama?

Alright then. You've listed what you believe are Romney's achievements. Just to be fair, what are President Obama's achievements thus far, after he assumed power in the Executive, by winning a majority vote?

Mind you, this occurred long after Obama was teaching as a Professor of Constitutional Law in the University of Chicago Law School, as well as President of the Harvard Law Review, a difficult and impressive accomplishment, as he was the first black man to hold that office.

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Florida Professor Robert P. Watson who teaches American Studies at Lynn University has compiled a list of 244 accomplishments by President Obama since he took office despite fanatical Republican opposition aimed at wrecking his presidency.

Prof. Watson, whose specialty is presidential history, began preparing his list back in Nov. 2009 to counter the lies and disinformation spread by the corporate media and the Republican right.

"The misinformation and venom that passes for political reporting and civic debate is beyond description," Dr. Watson wrote. "There is a need to set the record straight." His list then contained 90 plus achievements which he has now updated to 244.

He praised Obama for pushing through measures vital to the national interest not through a "heavy-handed or top down approach" but through efforts to "reach across the aisle, encourage vigorous debate, and utilize town halls and panels of experts in the policy-making process."

On the list (a few have been added by this reporter):

Overhauled the food safety system;

Approved the Lily Ledbetter "Equal Pay" for women rule;

Ended "Don't Ask/Don't Tell" discrimination in the military;

Passed the Hate Crimes bill in Congress;

Appointed two progressive women to the U.S. Supreme Court including the first Latina;

Pushed through the Affordable Health Care Act, outlawing denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, extending until age 26 health care coverage of children under parent's plans, steps toward "Medicare for All;"

Expanded the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) health care for children;

Pushed through a $789 economic stimulus bill that saved or created 3 million jobs and began task of repairing the nation's infrastructure;

Overhauled the credit card industry, making it more consumer friendly;

Established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and used a recess appointment to keep it on track in the face of GOP attempts to derail it;

Also outmaneuvered GOP in naming two members of the National Labor Relations Board blocked by the Republicans in their attempt to shut down the NLRB;

Won two extensions of the debt ceiling and extensions of unemployment compensation in the face of Republican threats to shut down the U.S. government;

Pulled troops out of Iraq and began draw down of troops in Afghanistan.

Since he prepared the list, it has been posted and reposted on the Internet hundreds of times with scores of bloggers commenting on it and adding to the list.

Writing in Washington Monthly's Political Animal column, blogger Steve Benen, points out that many of Obama's achievements have been won through painful concessions he was forced to make with intransigent Republican obstructionists on Capitol Hill.

The tendency has been to focus on his concessions while ignoring what he won in return. Benen cites the lame duck session of Congress in December 2010 following the disastrous elections a month earlier in which the Democrats lost majority control of the House.

There were predictions that nothing would be achieved in that lame duck, Benen said. "But for all the grief he's gotten over this, its worth keeping in mind that Obama got a helluva lot.... In the end, he got a Food Safety bill, passage of the START Treaty, a stimulus package, repeal of 'don't ask/don't tell' and a First Responder bill" that provided health coverage for firefighters, police officers and other workers injured during the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attack. Incredibly, the Republicans tried to block it.

Obama was forced to make the same concession just before Christmas, yielding on his repeated demands for termination of a trillion in tax cuts for the rich in order to win approval of an increase in the debt ceiling and extension of jobless benefits for five million unemployed workers.

Yielding on tax cuts for the rich hurt those fighting for tax justice. But there is little doubt that those hard pressed, if not desperate unemployed workers, viewed this as an "accomplishment" and Obama deserves full credit.

Under a headline, "Who is Washington's Most Effective Politician?" Benen scoffs at those who pick Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R-KY). McConnell's job was "easy," Benen writes. He twisted Senate rules to make himself "Obstructionist in Chief." No, he says, Obama is the most skillful, "perhaps the most effective politician since LBJ" for winning that long list of victories in the face of unprecedented obstruction, lies, and misinformation.

Plenty of voters are now preparing lists for themselves of Obama's accomplishments as they work to insure he wins a second term next Nov. 6.

http://www.peoplesworld.org/professor-lists-obama-accomplishments-over-244-and-growing/

#2.33 - Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:54 PM PDT

The best he can do with all these groups is to say, " Rememer all those things I promised in 2008....well, I really mean it this time, trust me, stick with me..."

I live in Florida and my Jewish friends and neighbors are sick to death over how Obama has thrown Israel under the bus....and Florida is in the process of removing 150,000 illegals from the voter rolls and 30,000 dead people.

Americans of Cuban decent in Florida are very much Republican and opposed to illegal immigration.

Good analysis, Howard. Significant as well will be the fact that Romney has buried all his opponents to date in negative attack ads. In the general he won't have the 10:1 or more money advantage that he's had in the primaries. Now EVERYONE knows his tendency to go negative because he has no real plans or policies...at least none of which he wants most of the voters to know.

Interesting comment. The President has gone full nuclear negative straight out of the gate. I suspect it's for the same reason? He has no idea how the US Economy works, nevermind how to make it go, so let's attack Romney for how he did at Bain. That would make perfect sense to me since Obama has never had a job, he would attack anyone who has.

Obama fired in 2012

Obama got Osama and saved GM and Chrysler. American auto industry strong because of President Barack Obama.

Please remember that the GM/Chrysler deal is still opposed by the majority of voters, now stock holders. That will ONLY play well in Mich and Indiana though he will lose Indiana regardless of the bailout.

Osama's killing was done by Navy Seals...not Obama.

If the Jewish people are so worried about Isrial, I undrestand. I personnally spent over half my working years in the Military because of my belief in America. It is wonderful that you feel that way about Isrial, But in my thinking is, you need to be where your values are. My values and dedication are here and I will take them no where else.

thestuffmaker25

The President has gone full nuclear negative straight out of the gate. I suspect it's for the same reason? He has no idea how the US Economy works, nevermind how to make it go, so let's attack Romney for how he did at Bain. That would make perfect sense to me since Obama has never had a job, he would attack anyone who has. Obama fired in 2012

So from your vast experience, why dont you tell us exactly how President Obama should be on foreign policy? You can also share with us HOW you think the US Economy works. If you are going to whine and complain, why don't you enlighten us with your vast knowledge on what to do here. LOL yes, you keep on defending Romney, its very clear what he did with Bain, and how we the American Taxpayer had to pay for it.

thestuffmaker25

Please remember that the GM/Chrysler deal is still opposed by the majority of voters, now stock holders. That will ONLY play well in Mich and Indiana though he will lose Indiana regardless of the bailout.

Really? Where is your factual information on this one? Did you come up with it all by yourself? Why don't you show us where this information came from. First Romney BARELY won the Michigan Primary. By saving GM, do you have any idea how many jobs were saved or created? Its not just the workers in the plant... Its the people who supply automotive parts, its the mom and pop stores that workers shop at, it's the schools and local governments who get a portion of the pie and so on. I doubt very much of Michigan will go for Romney. Indiana probably will as it's a traditionally republican state.

Osama's killing was done by Navy Seals...not Obama.

LOL it just cracks me up when people say this. First, you can give credit too: Former President Clinton (where this started), Former President Bush (which btw, Obama CALLED right after the job was done and thank him for everything his administration had done), then it was President Obama as Commander and Chief (see Article II of the US Constitution), and the military that took Osama out.

Yet another republican whiner and complainer with NO facts and always pointing the finger of blame.

Mike in Delray

The best he can do with all these groups is to say, " Rememer all those things I promised in 2008....well, I really mean it this time, trust me, stick with me..."

I live in Florida and my Jewish friends and neighbors are sick to death over how Obama has thrown Israel under the bus....and Florida is in the process of removing 150,000 illegals from the voter rolls and 30,000 dead people.

Right - because throwing someone under the bus is analogous to telling Isreal to stop being warmongering idiots? Im sure because you know 5 jewish people that their sentiment is indicative of the entire country. You people are absurd.

thestuffmaker25

Osama's killing was done by Navy Seals...not Obama.

But if Bush would have ordered it - it would have been all him right?

You people are clowns.

I LOVE these discussion boards. Whoa fookin' Nellie! Look at all the righties and lefties huffin' & puffin'. It doesn't matter who wins - you lose, I lose, we all lose. This will be by 11th presidential election as a registered voter and the most amazing thing these days is all the people who DEFEND one guy and SLAM the other guy as if it's going to make ANY DIFFERENCE!! The US Congress - The Most Dysfunctional Show on Earth - is waiting for whoever wins. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... how DO they fit so many clowns in one room like that? Come on folks... relax. They can toss a coin in November for all the good it's going to do anyone.

NonsenseMaker:

"since Obama has never had a job"

If you really believe that, you my friend are living in the GOP hate-filled bizarro world. Seems to me that teaching constitutional law at Havard University, or perhaps United States Senator might qualify as jobs.

Please remember Obama put GM in bankruptcy, wiped out the bond holders and gave the UAW a chunk of the company. The same workers have the same jobs they would have if GM went bankrupt in federal court. the whole deal was simply a UAW payoff from Obama.

To

why are Republicans doing everything they can to eliminate as many Obama votes as possible? If it's so easy to beat Obama, why vowing to spend over $1 BILLION to fight him? According to you, the Repubs should just sit back, relax, and do nothing. Instead, they are denying the right to vote to people like a 91yr old WW2 veteran

If someone's driver's licence has been expired for years, is it because he left the state or quit driving. I see 90 year olds driving cars all the time. If he has moved out of the state, he is no longer an eligible voter in the state and it is their responsibility to remove him from a list of eligible voters. The list you are referring to was to identify people who may need to be removed and left it to the county supervisors of election to investigate. If this were done in Illinois, the dead would quit voting.

John-2032532

and just how did President Obama do this? Can you give me some factual information to back this up, or is this just another piont the finger of blame opportunity.

ItsAboutTime-3704531
John-2032532

and just how did President Obama do this? Can you give me some factual information to back this up, or is this just another piont the finger of blame opportunity.

He did it because as the POTUS he could.

General Motors will give the United Auto Workers union 17.5% of its common stock, $6.5 billion of preferred shares and a $2.5 billion note to finance a trust that will take over retiree health care costs starting next year.

The funding is part of a tentative agreement that union members will vote on this week as GM tries to pull together the remaining pieces that would allow it to restructure outside of bankruptcy.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7681838&page=1#.T8eYYbDgibs

John-2032532

First, I think you should dig a little deeper into this before pointing the blame (which there is no reason to do in this case) at President Obama.

Former President BUSH is the one who first started and pushed for a GM bailout:

It started with President Bush and the Republican Congress panicking and pandering to public fears, followed by President Obama and his administration - the Treasury Department in particular, skirting, or ignoring the rule of law to pursue a plan that was formulated based on political considerations rather than established contract law and sound economic procedures.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-fact-check-bush-responsible-for-bailouts-and-gm-is-number-one/

http://gaanderson.hubpages.com/hub/Obama-General-Motors-GM-Tarp-Bailout-Untold-Details

Lastly, lets remind ourselves that it was also CONGRESS that played a role here as well. I am not saying that Obama did everything right here, but before you point the finger of blame... start looking at all the facts, not just part of them.

Realist Pondering....

First, Obama didn't get Osama....the navy seals did. Second, Obama didn't same GM & Chrysler. The American taxpayers did.

So don't give Obama undeserved credit. The only thing you can give him credit for is the strangling debt he has managed to put on this and future American generations.

Now that was funny!

Obama got Osama and saved GM and Chrysler. Romney wanted Detroit to go broke. President Barack Obama a leader who is putting American back on the road to the top.

omg wow leadership obama chicago see something wrong with that

romney oylmpics

NEWS FLASH!!!! Detroit is still BROKE! Along with the United States

President Obama presided over one of the more perilous events of our history. The near collapse of our financial system. It did not collapse and has started to recover. This is the kind of CHANGE I can believe in.

realist pondering - The military and intelligence services got Osama. American consumers saved GM and Chrysler by buying their cars.

I live in Detroit and work for an Auto, Both GM and Chrysler would have entered bankruptcy just like any other company, and may have needed loans guaranteed by our government. The only real difference is that the way Mr. Obama ran this the Unions got a payback for their future pension funds. Ask all the investors and retirees depending on the old GM and Chrysler corps. They lost everything. Florida is loaded with people in this boat. Also our people here think there will be a 20 to 30% downturn in Auto purchases this year due to Europe's situation.

convenient-must be the type of store you work in. Probably the graveyard shift. Don't worry you will join Mitt in the 1% in your dreams. When you lose the Senate again and reelected President Obama has fewer nut job Tea Baggers in the House to gum up the government the damage done by these nut jobs can begin to be repaired.

The more the country learns about Mitt Romney and his horses, mansions, off shore tax dodging accounts and his record at Bain the less they will like him. You are going to wish that you had a candidate as good as John McCain.

@name to long, you haven't pointed one thing. Like most Republicans your just a finger pointer with no back up.

@realist pondering, John McCain is not my favorite Senator, I will give him credit for this, after Obama dumped 88 bil (44 bil in 2 locations of 3 that start the econmy going) it still wasn't going. while watching the news one night they showed McCain giving a speech somewhere and he said that money was put in to 2 points that get the economy going now get that money moving. I admired him for saying what he did. I can see past party lines bologna and give credit where it's due.

As to the issue of Gays, Abortion, or Religion, the president can only say a view point and nothing else. It means nothing. I have a lot of friends that are Republicans. Does this mean that I should ignore them and only associate with Democrats? The President has more important things to be concerned with. Americans should be concerned about this country instead of petty issues that should not go above town issues. It should not even make it to state level.

America experimented with Obama. This experiment is disastrous as everyone knows. It is now over. Sure, he will get the die hard "progressives" and the "occupy" types. Who would not vote for a man that promises others and a government to take care of you?

Those average Americans who voted for him out of political correctness and to "feel good" about themselves, will not this second time around. That poll comes out the day after election day.

Obama relies on a base of voters whom he creates. He creates reliance on big government, social division and class warfare. They blame and mistakenly believe that his charisma and campaign speeches are leadership.

Barack Obama came into this job with zero experience other than politics and being a "community organizer". He was and still is not nearly qualified to move this country forward economically or socially. He has in-fact made it quite worse these last few years. He has shown no ability to even lead this dysfunctional partisan Congress.

Our experiment did not work and its time for yet another "change". Romney may not be ideal, but he is certainly better than the option of having Obama turn this county into another Greece.

Incumbency is not an option this time.

Funny, the Libs are collapsing the posts that actually have truth. Well, at least it cuts down on reading through all of the verbal delusions spewed by the leftists. Just go straight to the collapsed posts, and viola! Truth!!!!

yeah lets go back to the good ol bush days, cant wait

kjoy-you must not care about vaginal probes or making the same pay for the same job or control over your own body.

You can save money on shoes while you make your master some cookies and await further instructions. I hope you don't have any daughters-I do.

kjoy82

I'd rather vote for four more years of a progressive and recovering economy, than a return to BUSH 3. Romney isn't qualified to win a potato sack race.

Wesley Mouch II

Once again, get off the juice. You don't even know what a Marx

happened in 2004 and look where that got us...

You are correct, SIR! You know how it is - why pay for something when you can get it free. Why vote the other way when other people pay for it? It's a sweet deal for the freeloaders. No wonder they love obama.

Part of the Obama BS is their unemployment numbers..............saying it's at 8.1% when in reality it's about 10.2% or higher. They conveniently omit counting people who have run out of unemployment compensation and have given up hope of finding work.........to Obama they just no longer exist so they are not counted.

Obama got Osama and saved GM and Chrysler. That is in 3 years more than W. did in 8.

Roy far on the Right

Look at the polls people. Voters have gradually migrated away from obama because of his failed policies and beliefs. Blame Bush all you want, but obama has made a bad situation much, much worse.

Decreased jobless rates and a steady economic growth trend disagree with your brilliant claims.

@ roy You haven't got a clue of what you are asking for. Just to help you out I'm sending you a case of lube or would you rather I send you a plane ticket to China so you can get a job?

convenient-you are so oblivious to the reality of your own situation. Mitt and his cronies do not care about you and the others that work for hourly wages. You vote against your own financial interests because you think that some day you will join the 1%. You aren't even going to make assistant manager.

Obama/Biden

Agreed Joseph, but we know who has sold out the US. I'll take the alternative choice any day.

Deadlock of dead weight when it comes to doing what "we the people" need! I am living and working in China for 3 years now but still own a house in the USA.....however the value on it is so low it is so sad. So many Americans so unhappy and I am too.....I would not be here if I didn't have to..... America needs a revolution like other coutries to get ourselves back in order.....I will gladly be a part of that revolution to get America back to where it should be....we are the best without a doubt.....these fools we keep electing are idiots! Tell them all to go for a vacation in some other country but never come back home and let us get our country back!

yeah he should learn to treat them real good like limbaugh and the gop do

Wesley-you are certainly not droll.

@ third party yadda yadda, and the Republicans don't? Republicans like to pick on things and force petty issues that they can't except on to people that want nothing to do with them. Now if you truly have a death wish for this country vote for Mitt. Bet you are already packing your bags to go to Chine.

Um, Tired, President Obama is not a socialist.

Wesley-start reading about 1848 and Hegl and Marx and their manifesto. You obviously have no idea about marxism and I suppose thats true about many things.

The word boring comes to mind when I see your posts. You don't even understand the talking points that you try to repeat. You are the classic Fox "Great American".

wesley, I don't knoww who started this Marxist stuff you seam to be one of these people who just pick up on a catch all word that means nothing. You should imform youself about things first. Than say what and how you feel about something. not just write those f%$** B*#((^ don't know their a$%$#@ from crap.That like the word marxist means nothing to anyone. I can read in the Republican Manafesto and see ear marks of Nazism there but I don't run around calling them Nazis because they are not. There are many things in government and in business the seams like they pick a point of somthing from Adolph Hitler, Carl Marx, or Lennon. These men were not great but in making up doctrine, it at some point is going to touch a point on one of these mens writings.

Wes-your personal stupidity is on display today. You probably think teachers are the evil rich. You should have paid more attention in school. It is obvious that you are the fertile ground for the Limbaugh seed of stupidity, intolerance and a hint of racism.

Try not to be so boring.

@odum.....,I don't see goodness in Romney. I see Greed. I see the downfall of this country. He has no ideas on handling problems, The pipe line he rattles on about is for Canada not the U.S. Are you aware that Canada does not have 1 Refinery in country. We refine all there oil and ship it back to them. The pipe line project will send crude to the refinery and right back to Canada. Out side of building it, it won't generate any further jobs. I'm not interested in short term work, I want a long term job, more than 2-3 years. Ask yourself what do you want. Romney took Mass from the 34th state for hiring and put it 46th. Keep in mind there are only 50 states. Had he taken Mass from 34 to 29 or 30 I would be compelled to think of him in a different light.

Well, it's quite entertaining to read that you actually believe obama's policies are working. Yes, obama is the saviour and we are all so better off - tell me again what planet you're on?

babine - put the doobie down. Once you reach the age of reason, then come back.

Obama got Osama and saved GM and Chrysler. There are hundreds of thousands of auto workers, parts company workers, restaurants, gas stations ect. ect. ect. that are making money and paying taxes because Obama saved GM and Chrysler. Romney would have sunk America into the second Great Depression with his "Let Detroit go bankrupt and have private equity handle it." These are facts not your imagined outcomes.

Alright, Babina, I'll give you credit that there are a lot of right-wing trolls online today. (And I say that as an independent conservative myself.) But we have plenty of ammunition to work with to criticize Obama, beyond the false claims that he is a Marxist or whatever.

You say that the economy is improving. Sure. It is. It's the slowest recovery this country has ever experienced. So slow, in fact, that even though it's been about three years since we bottomed out in the recession, jobs are still not being created at a sustainable rate (and in fact barely surpass the rate of population entering the labor force for the first time) and consumer confidence just doesn't exist. So we may see a gradual improvement, but it's so slow that on the local, individual level for Americans (which honestly is the level that matters) the economy still appears stagnant. Also the unemployment level is not going down, not really. Those numbers are created based on the number of jobless claims. When people are no longer qualified or just give up, they naturally fall off that list and it appears that the unemployment has gone down. Most analysts I've listened to predict that the actual unemployment rate is much, much higher (like well above 10%).

Low taxes, huh? Pretty much all of those tax cuts can be attributed to Bush. (And by the way, your criticism of Bush leading to a recession is unfounded. For the first six years, the economy was actually chugging along reasonably well. Ironically, when Democrats took Congress in 2006, things started falling apart. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though... why? Because the bubbles that burst during the Bush era took decades to form. It was bound to happen eventually... except if it had waited two more years, we could have blamed Obama for it. A bit of bad luck, I suppose. Point is, it's not just one man or one party's fault. I'm not a big Bush fan either, but for God's sake, stop using him as the scapegoat and pay attention to what's relevant now.) But we do know that Obama has tried a couple of times to raise taxes on the wealthy... somehow in the name of fairness. Sorry, buddy, but true fairness would mean that everyone in the country pays exactly the same rate for all income sources. That would mean that the poor pay the same rate as everyone else and the rich couldn't be saddled with extras. But that's not what we're doing. Progressives rig the system to be deliberately unfair to give the poor an advantage because, hey, they need it. Now, I can sympathize with that argument, but don't recite a creed of fairness when you're doing the opposite. Now, you'll say "But Warren Buffet is paying less taxes than his secretary!" Yes. He is. Why? Because pretty much all of his income fell in the category of capital gains, just like Mitt Romney. Why is that a problem exactly? Capital gains occur directly from investments. Did you stock prices go up? Did you turn a profit on real estate investments? Congrats, you got capital gains. Historically, neither party has wanted to tax this form of income at the same rate of labor income because investments play directly into the growth and strengthening of our economy. But, y'know, all people see is a lower rate and somehow they think they're getting ripped off... all to easy for a politician to use to his advantage.

You also talk about Afghanistan and Iraq. You know that Obama basically just signed us into a deal that will keep us in Afghanistan for years to come, right? It may not technically be a war any more, but we're going to be throwing billions of dollars at the issue and keeping thousands of troops in a hostile territory. What's the difference, exactly? Except now we're committed contractually to the Afghan government. Seems like a losing situation to me.

DADT, by the way, was signed into law under President Clinton. You call it draconian. At the time, it was protective. People in the army didn't want to know they were serving with a homosexual (most I've talked to still don't) and so long as they were unaware, it didn't matter to them. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. DADT was a way for gays to serve their country, so long as they kept their controversial personal lives to themselves. That way, so long as nobody "asked or told," there couldn't be discrimination. You can make a fine argument why we don't need that anymore, and that's fine, but the original "draconian" policy was justified and signed into law by a Democrat president. I don't care how many Republicans might have pushed the issue (with a fair bit of bipartisan support, if my history is correct); he signed it.

Finally, I'll touch on your Affordable Health Care Act. This is certainly a landmark legislation. Never before has the Supreme Court had such a pivotal case that would decide the direction of our country. Either individual mandates are still taboo and the government cannot force us to buy something, or it can. If allowed, expect further mandates to follow. It's how lawyers work, both in court and in the senate. But you probably don't care about that right now, so let me explain to you why so-called "Obamacare" is a terrible idea at a terrible time. The premise isn't really that bad... I may not like a lot of the policy, but it's true that healthcare needs reform. So why does the majority of Americans still support a repeal of the law? One, because they don't know what's inside it. (Insert famous Pelosi line here.) It was written during an era of Democratic supermajorities and passed through in a rush, despite universal opposition from the right. The American people said "Whoa! Slow down and explain this before we get stuck with it!" Democrats didn't. So now Americans are sputtering and gagging as if an overzealous mother had shoved a piece of broccoli down her child's throat. Two, mandating health benefits from employers during a time of recession is the worst move a president could possibly make, especially with unemployment the way it is. On more than one occasion, I've had conversations with small business owners who say that they've frozen their hiring until they know for sure how much they're going to be paying for their employees. And even then, they're expecting they'll either have to raise prices for their product, cut salaries, or fire people. How does that help the economy? It doesn't; it only weakens it by creating uncertainty when what we need is solidarity. Now you might say that business owners are too greedy with their profits and should just accept that decrease in favor of "helping American move forward." If you say that, then you don't understand business. Most small business owners don't have the freedom to just accept smaller profits... most of them are directly accountable to a franchise business or some sort of investor. They are frequently required to maintain certain profit margins to keep their business. Corporations work similarly with the stock market. Their shareholders expect a certain profit margin; if they don't, then stock prices fall, shareholders jump ship, and the entire company suffers. Whether large or small, you can't just whine about businesses being too greedy with their profits... oftentimes they don't have much of a choice.

I could go on and on and on with criticisms of Obama's policy, how we've made concessions to our enemies while estranging our allies (Israel is a good example, with that 1967 borders gaffe Obama made), how energy and auto-fuel is facing a crisis in the US, crony capitalism, how we still haven't passed a budget (and in fact, Obama's proposal got unanimously shot down in the senate, even by his own party), record deficits and national debt, yadda yadda yadda. The only things on your list that I'll credit him for are Osama bin Laden (a good, gutsy move on his part) and the auto bailout (I still disagree with the philosophy that went into it, but I'm glad that it benefited the industry).

I'll close with this: You can make an argument that Obama is better than Romney. Fine, I'm sure you'd make some good points. I'm not really happy with the GOP either. But you cannot in good faith tout Obama's record and say that we're doing so much better than we were before Obama got elected. If you do, I'd say you're either lying, or you've been lied to.

Loudmouth Elephant

You also say that things are getting better. Obama made tons of promises which he did not fulfill. You claim he has helped, but all he did was fail at putting out a bunch of fires by starting another massive one: debt. Sure, elect me to the POTUS. I will fix everything... I will just spend so much money that it will look like things are getting better and hope no one notices that not only has the debt skyrockted under me, but debt-adding deficit will remain high for the next 12 years.

You do realize that over 2 trillion was added to our debt in 2009 when both wars came onto the books from emergency appropriations right?

Noryc-2802231

I'll close with this: You can make an argument that Obama is better than Romney. Fine, I'm sure you'd make some good points. I'm not really happy with the GOP either. But you cannot in good faith tout Obama's record and say that we're doing so much better than we were before Obama got elected. If you do, I'd say you're either lying, or you've been lied to.

So your 401K isnt better now than it was in 2008? What about your pay? While increases have been very small - I am still making more money than I was 4 years ago. Wars? Drawing down both. Bin Laden? Gone. Along with several of his officers - who continue to be eliminated. My taxes? Havent gone up - have yours? All I hear is your ilk yammering on how our taxes are going to go up for the last 3 years - yet they havent? Very strange.

Independent conservative is nothing more than a conservative that uses the independent label to distance him/her self from any nut bag conservative they come across. Stop making yourself appear impartial.

1) I never said taxes were being raised on my income bracket. Just the rich. Neither party wants to touch a class-bracket that would cost them too many votes. And you can't say Obama hasn't been trying to raise taxes on the rich... it's just that with Congress split the way it is now, he can't have his way. Neither can Republicans.

2) I already gave credit to Obama for taking out bin Laden. It was a tough choice and it really could have bit him in the butt if it failed. That took guts and he made the right call.

3) The wars may be drawing down, but we're still committed. We just worked out a deal with Afghanistan where we'll be playing a sort of support role for years to come. Translated: still spending money, still deploying troops. And in the end, the countries of the Middle East are still going to hate us.

I think you've misunderstood my reasoning for using the term "independent." If I have to go to extra lengths to distance myself from a nut-job on any side of the political spectrum, then I'm wasting my time to convince people that aren't worth convincing. I use the term "independent" to show my dissatisfaction with a Republican party that campaigns on conservative ideals and then violates them fairly frequently. I'm one of those people that doesn't believe that any one party could possible solve our problems... if I appear impartial, it's because I understand that both sides to an argument have merit and compromise must be made for the sake of progress.

@noryc, I agree with you on both responces to some degree. As for the auto bail out, I watched an interview where he addressed that. He replied to the effect that he didn't want to do it but had to take into consideration the number of jobs that would have been lost and the people lives that would have been effected. personnally IF we wern't in such a bad ressesion at the time and no work it might not have happened, or would it? He does have the people of this country on his mind, he has shown this to me in other ways too, the sad part is the govt can only do so much with the funds they have to work with. The people of this country don't realize just how fortunate they are to have a man like him in Office.

OK now all you unappreacatve Republicans can open up on me. Don't disappoint me, but when you do be sure to include all the great things CEOs like Romney have done.

Well, 6dogs, that's one of the unfortunate complications of the presidency. I do not really question his motivations... like most idealistic, young people that go into politics, I think he does have the well-being of the country at heart and wants the country to succeed (unlike the destructive Marxist power that some right-winged trolls might lead you to believe). But in his position, motivations and intentions are rarely appreciated; results are what matters. And to that extent, though I may find Obama a likable person and well-meaning, I have to question his capability to deliver upon his promises.

For the auto bailout, it's one of those situations where I cannot criticize the intentions of the president - namely to preserve jobs and the quality of the workers' lives - but only on how he responded to the situation. To bail out one particular industry for the faults brought on by their own mismanagement (which can be attributed to many different factors, brought in part by greed, in part by incompetency, in part by unions, and on and on) is more or less the opposite of true capitalism. In a perfect capitalistic system, the industries would have failed. I say "failed" in a loose sense... with the American obsession with the automobile and vast consumption of such vehicles, there will always be a demand... and therefore a supplier. The companies in question would have survived, one way or another. They would have been forced to re-consolidate, reorganize, and theoretically rebuild to be stronger in the long term. At least, that's how the proper capitalistic theory goes. Would it have? We'll never know. I'm not yet convinced that we've done the industry a favor in the long term... in the short term, sure, but would they have been better off without interference? In the meantime, it cost a hefty chunk of money and provided Obama plenty of criticism for being a "crony capitalist". We'll probably never know if Obama made the "best" decision... only that it seems to have worked out alright for now.

One final thing, though, about what I was talking about with regard to motivations. I truly, deeply hope that people will sooner or later mature enough to understand that both political philosophies have their heart in the right place. I mean, sure, you find your inconsiderate, greedy pigs on both sides (sometimes more clearly illustrated within the Republican party), but the base behind conservatism and liberalism means well. Liberals like to defend the "little guy" and minorities and provide for those that cannot provide for themselves. They want everyone to succeed. Can I fault that? Of course not. Conservatives, in a slightly different way, want the same thing. I, as a conservative, care very much about the poor and the well-being of all in the country. The differences between the two philosophies doesn't really come down to motivation (i.e. the false claims that liberals want to "leech" from the rich or that the conservatives want to screw over the little guy), but through procedure. People forget that all the time nowadays, and we descend into a politically charged, partisan non-nonsensical argument where we approach our opponents as if they are malevolent little twits bent on our destruction. We, in turn, become defensive and stop listening to our opponents, they do the same, and we are reduced to a childish shouting match. If, and only if, people will realize that both political philosophies have merit and good points to offer to the Great Debate and that our opponents are not really "evil" (which we have used in the past because it so much easier to justify our choices by assuming our challengers are evil or stupid), then the country will begin to heal and the divide between the parties might be crossed. Until that happens, it will be like a wagon with two horses pulling in different directions; either something will break and we stop moving, or the two must work in unison, combining their strengths to overcome the others' weaknesses.

Jack,

Your jobs available analysis is flawed. Other than engineering, the other work that follow like construction won't happen until Obama is gone. Companies that ordered engineering designs this year because they see Obama leaving won't see those drawings and plans for at least another year. If Obama gets re-elected, these companies will put the plans on the shelf once again until the storm is over.

Wesley-Wesley-Wesley-1848 and Hegl and Marx. Try to learn about Marxism just to make yourself seem semi-literate.

Truly laughable. A "commie?" I thought he was a Socialist? A Marxist? Or whatever shock word they want to use on a given day. But realize those like Wesley have zero understanding of any of these systems.

If you look at the market and the way it has prospered under Obama it is clear the dominant philosophy he has espoused is capitalist in nature.

But it is just to easy for Right Wing Media to put this garbage into the heads of the weak minded and they regurgitate it like a myna bird picks up phrases and repeats them.

I wish Romney were still progressive as the other option is regressive which will certainly not solve anything. Maybe he still is under the facade he now wears but regardless he will be dominated by extremist factions within the GOP should he be elected. And that would portend a horrible state of affairs for our future.

Honestly I am beginning to believe Obama cannot win and have already begun an international job search for that reason. Eight years of GW and Reagan wore on me enough and this new breed is far, far worse. I cannot see this country prospering after such an election. Few "support" Romney as the GOP is far more based on hatred of Obama than love of Romney. Such scenarios have not played out well historically.

Wesley Mouch II

Yup

Romney = conservative progressive

Obozo = liberal progressive

Either way no change, BUT AT LEAST ROMNEY IS NOT A COMMIE.

Wait... I thought Obama was a socialist? You people need to make up your minds.

Vox, your post is sad but true. I'm donating and voting for President Obama but what the courts and the GOP have done to our country make it impossible for me to feel that he will win. This is based strictly on the voter suppression and vote tampering that is going on throughout the states. And don't throw Acorn into that. There were people who wrote false names on forms - those names would not be voting - big difference. On the other hand, voter suppression and tampering with machines and ballots can and will change the outcome.

@jack mack, surprise the banking issue was address a while back, I suggest you watch World News and get away from FOX. Everything you crab about is not the President to do...it is the House of Reps. and the Senate to do. If you don't like it get a new replacement for them. I haven't really looked into it but I'm sure they can be replaced.

I could not agree more. It is sad to see the nation so divided that 'their party' will fix things when in fact both of these candidates will continue more of the same failed policies. Out-of-control debt, continued wasteful spending and dysfunction by both parties in the Congress.

Sadly, both parties have done ONE thing well in the last 30 years, divide our country. Neither party deserves anything but to be booted out of office. Career politicians, corruption and Washington owned by money will be the end of our country.

I've got one major problem with what you've suggested, Jack, and that's the reduction to military spending. Don't get me wrong, it is too high right now. There's waste, pointless "pet" projects but generals and senators, and plenty of room to cut it down. But not to $200 billion.

I happen to be an engineer currently working on Defense contracts. Here's the reason you can't cut it that much: jobs and the lives of our soldiers. I think there's a major misconception today that military spending is all about building bigger planes, bombs, and other destructive tools. That's an important part of it, but it's not the main focus; at least, not with my company and many, many others. Right now, the military is spending a huge chunk of its contracting budget to develop better transportation (i.e. mine resistant humvees), surveillance, communications, and logistics. All of these play directly into the efficiency and effectiveness of our troops... and keeps them alive. These projects are critical to bringing the boys home for years to come. Plus, they have side-benefits. The GPS? The internet? All fall into the aforementioned military-funded categories.

Defense companies are already bracing for the impact of the auto-cuts in the defense spending next year. A lot of projects are going to get cut and it's possible there will be a hiring freeze for a few months at least. (Not too worried about the current engineers losing their jobs... they're too valuable a commodity to lay off by the drove.) If you take it so much further than that, you definitely will see a lot of high-tech companies closing down facilities and laying off engineers. At a time when high-tech industries are desireable in the U.S., that's not the best call. Plus we're having enough trouble with unemployment.

Someday, we might be able to reduce our military significantly to get close to your target value. But definitely not too fast, and not that much.

Alan-the quality of your post causes me to encourage you to make as many posts as you possibly can. Let us share in your wisdom and opinions. Enlighten the undecided voter.

Yeh, alan bring it! Obama.....Obama....Obama.... but for crying out loud say something worth saying than we can talk about your ineptness.

No one with half a brain ever said taxing the rich would eliminate our debt. Thats only talking points from uninformed hacks that want to transpose that onto the point at hand. They should however pay a proportional % of their income just like their middle class counterparts.

Excuse me third party yadda yadda, you failed to point out that 11 trillion of that from Dictator Bush and I figure you helped to put him there. Now I expect you to do your duty pay YOUR bill and it will go away. It's that said by Bush to the people of Cali. when they were getting by NRON? Yep I heard him say on tv. Would like me to contact the the news show for a copy of the segment? No problem.

Mater,

Bush was the last president. Romney will be the next, maybe then we can talk about Obama.

It's time to bring out the Neanderthal religious cr*p- why not just tell everyone Obama is Satan? Why does the GOP ever draw the line anywhere? That may be their one flaw.....LOL....

Sucks to know you're gonna lose this far out, doesn't it DB?

And Matt Taibbi is an a$$hole that says ridiculous things to get "noticed". He's a tabloid reporter.

YOUr living in a Matrix, democrat or republican are PROGrams, OLD PROgrams of the OLD System. ARe you ready to BE UN PLUGGED dec 2012

I can't even believe a Democrat of any kind won that state of religious crackers.....that shows you just HOW bad Bush was......

DB17,

True, Bush was a big reason Obama won NC, but barely by 0.3%. But the major factor he won was because the state has been taken over by retirees from the north the last ten years, making it blue. But due to the economy and the high taxes brought to us by these transplants, they can't afford to live here anymore, and many of them have moved on to other states. Funny how the liberals brought their tax and spend ways here and are forced to leave by those same policies. Sort of like John Kerry raising the Massachusetts taxes and then parks his yacht in RI so he doesn't have to pay the high taxes in his own state.

Well the Marist POLL was right in 2008 , oh yeaaaaaa

YOUr living in a Matrix, democrat or republican are PROGrams, OLD PROgrams of the OLD System. ARe you ready to BE UN PLUGGED dec 2012