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Is Mitt Romney playing with fire in his dealings with Donald Trump?
The presumptive Republican presidential nominee will appear with Trump, the pugnacious real estate mogul and reality television star, at a fundraiser Tuesday in Las Vegas. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a nemesis of Romney's throughout the Republican presidential primary, will round out the group.
Steve Marcus / Reuters
Real estate mogul Donald Trump's ties to presidential candidate Mitt Romney run deeper than most run-of-the-mill supporters of the former Massachusetts governor.
Setting aside Gingrich’s own bombast, it’s Trump who could prove the bigger long-term headache for Romney. The latest example of that came Tuesday morning, when Trump said he’s still unconvinced that President Barack Obama was born in the United States, further linking Romney to that sentiment in a subsequent tweet from his @realDonaldTrump handle:
@BarackObama is practically begging @MittRomney to disavow the place of birth movement, he is afraid of it and for good reason. He keeps using @SenJohnMcCain as an example, however, @SenJohnMcCain lost the election. Don’t let it happen again.
It’s become clear that Trump’s ties to Romney run deeper than most run-of-the-mill supporters of the former Massachusetts governor. Romney and Trump appeared together when the “Apprentice” host made official his endorsement on Feb. 2. Since then, Trump’s become an involved surrogate for Romney, doing radio interviews and robocalls during the height of the GOP primary. He’s also hosted fundraisers for Romney, most notably one on Ann Romney’s birthday that netted the campaign $600,000.
“Donald Trump is playing an extremely important role, which has been acknowledged by both Ann and Mitt Romney, which has been acknowledged by them in election night speeches,” said Michael Cohen, a spokesman for Trump, in an interview.
Former Sen. Blanche Lincoln and former Rep. Tom Davis talk about the pros and cons of Mitt Romney associating himself with Donald Trump.
Romney put some distance between the two men, though, before taking off for Colorado late on Monday night. "You know, I don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't all agree with everything I believe in. But I need to get 50.1 percent or more and I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people," he told reporters aboard his campaign charter plane.
Romney was burned back in April when conservative rocker (and campaign supporter) Ted Nugent called Obama “evil,” and said if the incumbent were to win re-election, “I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”
FIRST THOUGHTS: Playing the Trump card
Democrats stoked that story in the media, forcing Romney to personally address the Nugent controversy; now, it appears as though they’re hoping for another opportunity to do the same with Trump.
That is, when — not if — Trump goes off-message, Romney will have to answer for the controversy. His campaign won’t have the luxury of shrugging off a figure like Trump, who’s undeniably much closer to the Republican nominee than Nugent.
"It raises a question, that's come up before during this campaign, as to whether Gov. Romney will embrace these extreme voices in his party, or stand up to them," Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Friday on MSNBC.
Ben LaBolt, National Press Secretary for the Obama campaign, joins Andrea Mitchell to discuss the President's political strategy, as well as new poll numbers that show a tight race between Obama and Mitt Romney.
And already, the Obama campaign released a video on Tuesday bracketing the fundraiser this evening, contrasting Romney's relative silence toward Trump with the actions taken by Republican nominee John McCain in 2008 to shun extreme voices in the GOP.
For now, the Romney campaign has emphasized its singular focus on the economy, casting media firestorms around Trump or Romney’s previous work at Bain Capital as nothing less than a distraction.
"In a world of record job loss, record home loss, more people falling into poverty than time since the Depression, I don't think this stuff matters," said a Romney aide. "I would think the last few weeks would be a good lesson in that. From the anniversary of the Osama bin Laden killing to gay marriage, this election is just about one thing: are you happy with the economy and who do you think will do a better job?"
But the irony for Romney is that, for a campaign that prides itself on discipline and focus, its association with Trump threatens at any moment to knock the candidate off-message.
- Consider just a small sampling of the things Trump has recently said:
May 22: Trump said on CNN that invoking Obama’s association with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright in the campaign, which Romney had disavowed, is fair game. "These tapes are devastating for the president. I mean, Rev. Wright is an angry man. He's extremely angry at the president,” Trump said on CNN. “I see nothing wrong with using it."
May 22: Also on May 22, Trump stoked the flames of “birtherism,” skepticism of whether the president was born in the U.S., despite Obama having released his long-form birth certificate a year earlier, showing he was, in fact, born in Hawaii. Trump tweeted: “I wonder if @BarackObama ever applied to Occidental, Columbia or Harvard as a foreign student. When can we see his applications? What do they say about his place of birth.”
May 7: Trump suggested, during the Chen Guangcheng incident, that the United States’ economic tension versus China could translate into an actual war in due time. “It's not a war with bullets, but it's certainly a war,” Trump said of those economic tensions. “Maybe someday, it ends up with bullets because, frankly, they're building a military like you wouldn't believe.”
And there are more politically substantive examples of Trump breaking with Romney and the GOP.
“I just think it’s very dangerous,” he said of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget proposals this March on FOX. “Already, the Democrats are just starting to write their campaign literature based on this plan. I think it’s very dangerous for the Republicans.”
Cohen said that Trump didn’t presume to speak for Romney.
“Donald Trump is his own individual, and he will make statements that he feels are accurate, are on the minds of other Americans and are significant in showing the voters who the real Barack Obama is,” he said. “Whatever questions will be posed to Gov. Romney and the Romney camp, they are certainly entitled to answer as they see fit. The current president and vice president don’t agree on all topics. Not all Republicans agree with all Republicans, and not all Democrats agree with all Democrats. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.”
And to Trump’s credit, he’s never been known as a shrinking violet. His views have certainly been publicly aired at this point, and voters may be able to better distinguish between his headline-grabbing comments and the more staid sentiments of Romney.
But in a campaign cycle driven by grievance politics (“When will Mitt Romney/Barack Obama apologize for…?”), it’s difficult to imagine Romney not having to answer for some outburst of Trump’s between now and November.
“He’ll stand up next to Donald Trump, and he’ll talk about why he wants to be president, and why he believes the economy needs to be turned around,” Romney adviser Kevin Madden said Friday on MSNBC of the way Romney would relate to Trump. “Anytime that something goes off of that – or something where Gov. Romney would disagree – he’s going to make that very clear, just as he has in the past, and he’ll do it in the present, and he’ll do it in the future.”
NBC’s Garrett Haake contributed to this report.
Andrea Mitchell talks with Kevin Madden, a Romney campaign adviser, about Donald Trump's involvement in Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, and whether or not Trump will help or hurt Romney's chances come November.
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Willard, YOU do know what happens when you play with fire don't you?
You get burned... or in your case, scorched!
Really couldn't happen to a more deserving guy if you ask me...
When the "Donald" doubled down on his birther crazy this morning, wouldn't it have been the perfect opportunity for Willard to show us his spine is made out of something other the J-E-L-L-O?
“He’ll stand up next to Donald Trump, and he’ll talk about why he wants to be president, and why he believes the economy needs to be turned around,” Romney adviser Kevin Madden said Friday on MSNBC of the way Romney would relate to Trump. “Anytime that something goes off of that – or something where Gov. Romney would disagree – he’s going to make that very clear, just as he has in the past, and he’ll do it in the present, and he’ll do it in the future.”
These people are joking right? When has Mitt ever made a stand about anything that hasn't later been changed if it didn't fully benefit him at that time?
More classic libbie cocoon-ism.
Let's see, we got an imploding Europe. Syria is on the brink, Unemployment still sky high, as is the cost of gasoline.
We got us some fun in polling, particularly with military folk, and of course the imminent smack down that is Wisconsin.
But no way, not here. Here we get a steady dose of Trump.
Perhaps this is why everything is always so 'unexpected.'
CNN (5/28/12) - Asked on his charter plane whether Trump's questioning of President Barack Obama's birthplace gave him pause, Romney simply said he was grateful for all his supporters.
"You know, I don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't all agree with everything I believe in," Romney said. "But I need to get 50.1% or more and I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/28/romney-doesnt-back-away-from-birther-trump/
Mitt doesn't even understand the Presidential chess board. He could get over70% of the popular vote and still fail to win the 270 delegates needed to be President.
He should be smart enough to understand that if he repudiates the far left they will not change their vote and cause them to vote for President Obama but he could pick-up or hold onto some of those in the middle.
Mitt (the cowardly lion) needs to ask the Grand Wizard of Oz for courage as he follows the yellow brick road where he only needs 50.1% of the vote to win.
Romney is a pander-bear, pandering to money, nothing else.
To the GOP, in general, politics is a form of astrology, money as its sign, the only sign.
Is there no limit to his pandering??? Just come out and say it Romney, you are desperate.
Trump is a little whack. I don't understand how anyone can take him seriously.
There is no fire even with the two together. Just a giant box of loose milk duds. Too bad Howard Hughes is not alive then they could have put together the three stooges who's only reason to live is to amass money at the expense of others misery............
It's okay if Romney plays with fire because, as we saw in the dog incident, he's so good with a hose.
Only trouble is, this time we ALL stand to get hosed.
By the way, for those interested, HERE is the latest Walker/Barrett poll --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/wisconsin-recall-scott-walker-enters-final-week-with-edge/2012/05/28/gJQAtv3oxU_blog.html
Take a careful look at the graph and read the trend.
Other polls taken last week have shown similar narrowing, even down so far as about 2 percent difference. And this poll doesn't even account for Friday night's debate, which Barrett clearly won.
I'm guessing that right now, it's much more like a dead heat.
So sorry, Spanky. I know how much you wanted to gloat about the demise of the sleeping giant.
Comment # 1.3 - Not far Left
should be far Right.
politics is showbiz for ugly people, really ugly - the 'Donald', that is.
These are the days I love...You go Donald..You're doing the Dems work for us...in spades.
Romney needs to grow either a pair, a spine or both. Trump is a bigot and an idiot.
Saw an analysis recently regarding Trump's financial acumen. Seems in real dollars he has less than what his father gave him and one could have invested in CDs a gotten a better return than he did on his investments. Genius my a$$.
Day One ad - #2
Romney’s new “Day One” ad first promise: "Day One, President Romney announces deficit reductions, ending the Obama era of big government, helping secure our kids' futures." Yet in an interview Romney said: “Any spending cuts should come down the road, after the economy has improved.”
Romney's second promise: "President Romney stands up to China on trade and demands they play by the rules.” In his 2010 book "No Apology," Romney blasted President Obama for making a formal complaint about Chinese tire exports. "President Obama's action to defend American tire companies from foreign competition may make good politics by repaying unions for their support of his campaign, but it is decidedly bad for the nation and our workers. Protectionism stifles productivity."
Romney's third promise: "President Romney begins repealing job-killing regulations that are costing the economy billions." Which ones – at least give a couple examples? He can eliminate a few with an EO and direct his EPA to not enforce some others but neither action is changing the law, which he cannot do – it must be done by Congress.
NoLimit -- It's not about money. Trump and Romney have an agenda. That agenda was an epic failure in the past and it will prove to fail once again. These guys are dumb and dumber, incarnate.
The "I like to fire people" guy with the "You're fired" guy.
Perfect.
Maybe they can both start a "reality" show called "Corporation Apprentice" because, after all, "corporations are people, too"
LoL Score.
Meeting the Donald, Romney is playing with fire, maybe because Trump is the devil from hell (hell-fire?)
No, we have imploding southern europe.
northern europe is still ranked the best place in the world to live, and the happiness index pushed by OECD still has the top 3 as Denmark, Sweden, Norway...
aka...
Taxes Taxes and More Taxes.
Wonder why that is, eh Spanky?
Lots of Taxes up there...but no taxes in Somalia.
If you're going to pick a country to compare us to, at least pick one that has a GDP greater than New York City. (1.5T)
Try to pick one at least as big as California. (1.9T-2T)
So, Germany, France, Brazil, China, UK, Italy.
Now let's take those countries and see which ones implemented Austerity (the republican plan) and which didn't.
Austerity - France, Italy, UK
Spend Away - Brazil, China
Balanced without Austerity - Germany
Now let's see which countries are in a depression and/or just replaced their leadership.
Replaced Leadership or 'Double-dip' - France (Socialists), Italy (Technocrats), UK (double-dip/full-blown depression)
No crisis - China, Brazil, Germany
Holy smokes, man. You'd think there'd be almost a direct correlation there, right? But Wait, Germany doesn't have an economic crisis themselves...
Now let's look at What countries run a trade deficit vs. surplus
Deficit - Italy, UK, France
Surplus - Germany, China, Brazil,
Yeah, we got the 'key takeaway' from Europe.
Don't import more than you export. Free Markets only benefit the largest labor pool in the gang. And Austerity doesn't work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ExW1Fx0-k
I wonder if Romney will use this as his campaign theme music.
No LimitSoldier, now that's funny. You mean the way the right beats the Rev Wright drum who never once stood on the same stage with Candidate now President Obama and such things as that? Mitt Romney went to NYC to kiss The Donald's right, then snuck out the back door so he could avoid the press. Donald Trump is making a mockery of the GOP and Romney willingly embraces that mockery in the name of campaign cash. He then stood on stage while The Donald endorsed him; now Mitt's offering dinner with him and Trump and is once again standing on the stage with the Birther nut Trump. You bet the media is going to report on it and if they don't, you can bet we liberals will and we will beat that Trump Birther every chance we get. Get used to it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Anna Molly,
I saw some of Friday nights debate - after Barrett's performance, I'm not surprised!
The cross-eyed badger looked like he was caught in the headlights!
Well, Feisty -- to be perfectly fair, let's cut the little fella some slack.
After all, he only has two choices.
He can either answer the questions and risk getting caught in a lie that might send him to jail.
Or he can take the Fifth Amendment.
Romney is getting all trumped up for the fall !!!!!!
Day One ad - #2
I like the on day 2 ad, when Ann Romney tells Willard that he got steam rolled by President Obama in the General Election.
Gee, I thought that this topic might allow some great opportunities for discussion. Nope, not one civil, logical comment from a lib as to why Trump's support will hurt Romney...just some more of the usual namecalling and ridiculous proclamations that Obama has the election in the bag.
The good news is that President Obama has this election in the bag as Mitt Romney has no viable path to 270 electoral votes.
The Electoral college is the sole means by which we elect presidents, and if we go by current polling in the individual states, the electoral totals look something like this;
In the "Solid R, Likely R and Leans R" categories we have the following states; ID-4, UT-6, AZ-11, AK-3, MT-3, WY-3, ND-3, SD-3, NE-5, KS-6, OK-7, TX-38, MO-10, AR-6, LA-8, IN-11, KY-8, TN-11, MS-6, AL-9, GA-16, WV-5 & SC-9 =191 electoral votes
In the "Solid D, Likely D and Leans D" categories are; HI-4, WA-12, OR-7, CA-55, NV-6, CO-9, NM-5, MN-10, IA-6, IL-20, MI-16, ME-4, NH-4, RI-4, VT-3, MA-11, NY-29, CT-7, NJ-14, DE-3, PA-20, MD-10 & DC-3 = 262 electoral votes
That leaves 85 votes still up for grabs (VA-13, OH-18, FL-29, WI-10 & NC-15.) Romney must win 79 of the remaining 85 (meaning he must win all 5 states), Obama needs 8. Most pollsters are on the verge of putting Virginia in the "Leans D" category since two recent polls put Obama ahead of Romney 51% to 44%, and no incumbent president has ever lost VA after having won it in the preceding election. So that brings Obama's total to 275 electoral votes, and thus earns him a second term.
It's awesome that Romney can win Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and North Carolina and still lose the election having earned only 263 electoral votes. That's still very generous to Romney because WI is a dead heat, and Obama is leading every single poll in Ohio. Florida looks to be going for Romney, though some polls put the president ahead in FL. North Carolina is still tied as well, so it really could be either man's state.
It's all right there, folks, you can't argue with the math. Mitt Romney has no viable path to 270, the best he can do is close, but no cigar, but it's more likely that he won't even break 200 electoral votes. He'll do better than McCain did, but that's not saying much.
The King of flip flops will stand with ANYONE if he thinks it will get him enough votes to win. The guy IS a robot and has only one thing in mind. To win and change things where he can make even MORE millions.
VA Dem,
12 Swing States Poll #’s (last 4 week Avg.)
Tied in 2, Obama leads in 7, Romney leads in 3.
Delegates: BO – Likely 161 + Lean 66 + Swing 67 = 294
Delegates: MR – Likely 131 + Lean 39 + Swing 36 = 206
Delegates: Tied = 38 (FL + CO) [294+206+38 = 538] 270 needed to win
Those WERE the logical comments.
Just wait till later when we comb through the dusty archives of Trump's hair hunting for the ILLogical comments.
I have the teasing comb. Who's bringing the roller brush?
May 29, 2012
BATTLE FOR WHITE HOUSE (Need 270) to Win
Current Projected Electoral locked up by each:
Obama 227
Romney 170
Toss Ups 141
Arizona (11)Colorado (9)Florida (29)Iowa (6)Michigan (16)Missouri (10)New Hampshire (4)North Carolina (15)Ohio (18)Virginia (13)Wisconsin (10)
Of the Above Toss Ups Obama needs 43 to win.
Of the Above Toss Ups Romney needs 100 to win.
So for now, I will use my current research data and pick the following: (Note: The totals will change from new data input polls)
Arizona (11) Romney
Colorado (9) Obama
Florida (29) Romney
Iowa (6) Romney
Michigan (16) Obama
Missouri (10) Romney
New Hampshire (4) Obama
North Carolina (15) Romney
Ohio (18) Obama
Virginia (13) Obama
Wisconsin (10) Obama
----------------------------------------
Projected Winner Obama 297
Projected Loser Romney 241
Oh pleeeeeaasssee.... what hypocrisy from the deaf and dumb ubsequious sychophants who worship the Liar-in-Chief who surrounds himself with Communists, tax cheats, and racists...
I've got the pooper-scooper...
Like I said last post on what would be the same topic, let Romney hang out with this ignorant idiot all he wants. He represents Romney's base so well.
Why should it surprise anyone that Romney is trying to surrounding himself with the top intellectuals of his party??? BUWahahahaah
Both of these have gotten very rich by using other peoples money, weather it was all legal or not, am sure there is a trail of financial ruin of others behind them. One acts like a sleezy sales man and the other like a bully.
The Trumpster is the nail in the coffin of Romney's presidential hopes. RIP.
Maybe Santorum will take a page from the Bible and rise again on the third day...
The attacks of Obama against Romney are not working. The war of the dogs ended when it was revealed that Obama ate dogs. The war against the investment of Romney each time have less credibility and are seen as an attack on our free enterprise system, more even pursuing some respectable member of the Democratic Party gave its support for Romney. We now have the attack to Romney by accepting the support of Trump , as if Obama does not receive backing the extremists and radicals. Obama has no accomplishments to prove of the need to be re-elected , because of that we will see that his team would continue distracting to the citizenship of the veraderos problems such as unemployment, external debt, growth of our gross domestic production, revitalization of our exports and facilitate the repratiacion of national capital to boost national investments to create jobs.
To bring polls at this time is pure speculation, numbers will change , however this time , the electorate is much less enthusiastic re-electing "Barry"Barack
Just a note to everyone who's complaining about Romney pandering... All politicians do it. So does President Obama. They just pander to different crowds. And actually, Romney is in a position to quiet the dissention and say what's off-limits. He can end the birther conflict and make Trump look like a fool in such a way that even Trump's supporters are appropriately cowed.
Governor Romney already has enough trouble with the extremists of his own base questioning his conservative bona fides and everyone else questioning his sincerity on...well, everything. He's backed into a corner where he cannot afford, after claiming for months to be a "severe conservative", to now rebuke the extreme right's nonsense for fear of turning off his base and validating his image as a flip-flopper to the rest of the country.
It's McCain '08 all over again, a candidate who needs to constantly prove himself to the far right, and in the process keeps alienating the middle. His only advantage is that he can run against an incumbent, which McCain could not. But the more the focus is on Romney, the more this weakness presents itself, and the more remote his chances of winning the election become. He desperately needs to keep the discussion focused solely on President Obama to have any shot.
Doesn't this just say it all. Direct quote from Mitt about his support from Trump: "You know, I don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't all agree with everything I believe in. But I need to get 50.1 percent or more and I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people."
He should have added - or any lying piece of garbage I can convince to support me. I'll do anything I can to win - including rolling in the gutter with Trump or Gingrich or Limbaugh, etc....
Obama/Biden 2012
YES!... this election just got that much more comedic
Peach wookie that is exactly the point, he COULD end the birther debate, but he wants to keep people questioning whether or not the President was born here to scare folks into voting for him. As for Trump, he's doing a fine job of making a fool of himself already.
To Feisty and the Gang. Below was the headline to this Post.
I agree, and I do not like it either. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that it was the left that kept saying that guilty by association was not realistic when talking about Mr Obama (not yet President at the time).
OK, so we have a risk for Mitt, for President Obama we have the unrepentant terrorist, Rev Wright, MR M X. I could go on and on, and yes I still voted for the President back in 08. I guess I was blind. Mitt 2012.
How can anyone vote for either one of these schmucks(Romney or Trump)? Geez..they have been giving everything. Haven't earned a dime. IDK? I just can't fathom the thought of a president who wouldn't know how to feed themselves if it wasn't for their mommy and daddy giving them everything to start out with. Makes life quite a bit easier. We don't want a POTUS thats been spoon fed their whole life because they dont understand the middle class(working folks) people's welfare. These are the people that run the country! And if this POS mormon annoints these to freaks, Gingrich or Trump this just solidifies a win for the DEMS and Obama. Truth be told.
Romney-Trump 2012!
I swear, after reading some of the above posts, it appears that the only ones who are upset that Trump is openly and actively supporting Romney are the left wing nut jobs. I doubt if Trump will hurt or help Romney but he attracts a lot of press coverage. You left wing nuts won't/wouldn't vote for Romney no matter what. Just more deflections from the left and MSM.
Oh Anna Molly - so precious, what with your internal polls.
But see, we have 10 actual polls, all with big old leads.
Nope AM, the sleeping giant is still snoring. Walker wins by 5-7.
And Tek, austerity means cutting actual spending, not project, future increases. None of the countries that are failing have really cut anything.
And Germany is austere from inception. It actually lives with in its means. Unlike the PIIGS.
Or the US.
Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but why would Mr. Romney pander for the "birthers" votes. Isn't it completely counter-intuitive that any of them were going to vote for President Obama? Aren't there any grownups advising in the Romney campaign?
This is actually WORSE than a zero-sum outreach for votes. This association with Donald Trump should and probably will drive intelligent and thoughtful independents away from Mr. Romney in droves.
Above all else don't we want a president who can at least add two+two and get four? Do the math, Mitt. It's not rocket science, but it is supposed to be political science.
Spanky;
Germany isn't austere since it's inception, it accrued some massive debts during the build-up to WW2. Primarily to Russia, in exchange for foodstuffs (which it later fed to its troops on the eastern front)
But, currently, Germany does live within its means. But how do they do that? How do they insure that their imports never meet/exceed their exports?
Hint: They are a Protectionism, not a Free Market economy.
But you didn't answer the question. Austerity is being shown time and again to not work. At all.
What logical argument, with a basis in reality/with examples, can you use to show us that it works?
We'll agree on germany, but again I can point to their trade surplus as the reason they're successful. Can you point to any nation with a trade deficit, and austerity, which is doing well?
Take your time, by all means.
Willard sure is a profile of courage isn't he. Willard would make even Jimmy Carter seem resolute.
Don't you just love the way these guys think? They are typical Republicans. If they can't find someone to fight with they fight with each other. There just like lost children in pre-school. Always trying to get attention.
TEK - the German taxation on exports is critical to its success. Sadly, that system will never be enacted here.
There has been no austerity. Certainly not in europe. Or can you name the country that spends less now than it did 10 years ago?
Germany spends less than it has. Just like I do. Just like you do. That's the opposite of the PIIGS, or the US.
$4billion more added to the deficit. Every single day.
You say austerity has shown not to work. So in your estimation, is what we are doing now working?
Austerity destroys the economy. This is why you plan your cuts in the slightly longer term to balance it out.
You begin by shrinking the deficit. The easiest way to do this is to use both tax increases and cuts to spending.
When you combine being an utter a$$hole with having $hitloads of money...why, there's no end to the fun is there? And now we get a twofer! Whoopie!!!
@seven2seven, bone up on your history, Howard Hughes, did a lot for the Military during WWII. His aircraft designs helped us to win the war. As far as being an American goes. He was a true American. Not like these Jerk CEO that propose to be an American. If I was running for President the last person on Earth I would want to have endorse me would be Donald (go build it in China) Trump. In fact while I'm on the subject, "Donald, why don't you pack your suite case and go to China if you love them that much.
Spanky;
What we're doing now is absolutely not working for me.
I'm a protectionist...that was my earlier illustration.
Global economics will always award 'the crown' to the biggest labor pool. Since America doesn't have the largest labor pool, and I'm firmly an American (got scars and medals and everything to prove it), I stand against the globalization system of trade deficits.
Also of note, Germany has a socialized medical system.
George Will: Trump is a bloviating ignoramus.
Donald Trump: Oh yeah?? And...and...a double dumb ass on you, four eyes!!
Another day and another liberal puke fest. All these words of complete idiocy coming from the blinded by the messiah's light group. I sit here in complete befuddlement as to how a group of people can so totally miss the mark when it comes to any of Obama's inabilities... and there are so many of them. The looney left is a prime example of how Obama is running his campaign. Much like First Read, they direct their energy on whatever the anti-republican flavor of the day is but never build on Obama's alleged accomplishments...
Newsflash to the libbies... negative campaigning never works. That is the only type of campaign Obama has since he cannot build on anything he has accomplished because in over 3 years he's accomplished absolutely nothing but hurting this country. It must be the libbies feel this country needs to be hurt too, since they support Obama so completely.
...Negative Campaigning worked for Romney against both Gingrich and Santorum...pretty brutally...
Oh, but that's right. It wasn't negative campaigning then.
It's only negative campaigning when it's done to you. Not when you do it to others. Right?
Just like it's only a 'war' when the democrats do it (War on Religion), but never when the Republicans do it (War on Women).
I hope Obama stays negative. Tired of the left being unwilling to demonize the right. You've done it for years now (Swiftboats, anyone?), now it's time you reap what you sow.
This association is just as bad, if not worse than John McCain's association with Sarah Palin as he lost that election soley because he picked a doofus VP candidate who couldn't even answer what magazines she reads (Oh, and she can see Russia from her house lol). Please Mitt, please it up!
Oh, how I LOVE to see these acts of stupidity in an election year!
Obama/Biden 2012
Obama like Carter one time president, I can't tell who is worst. Any answer? LOL
Just a further example of Romney's ridiculously poor judgement - appearing with Trump and Gingrich at the same time in the same place. I hope they continue to hang out together.
ANOTHER first post by Fiesty, probably a paid political operative for the DNC who's been given "special" access to MSNBC reports.
Funny that we never read anything in MSNBC like
"Obama plays with fire in Rev. Write association" or
"Obama plays with fire in admitted heavy cocain usage" or
"Romney plays with fire in Bill Mayar association"
Nothing like being "Fair and Balanced" in reporting. If only Obama had have the skill and experience of Romney or Trump our country wouldn't be in the shambles we are. I mean, Cash for Clunkers was a HUGE boost to the economy, right? It's odd that the Washtington Post didn't move heaven and earth to locate Obama's drug dealers to ask about his spending habits like they did to find one case of highschool hazing with Romney.
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The trio of turds is going to Vegas!!!! Wowoie Zowie!!! Is that supposed to take American's Attention off of who they are and What they Want to do to US?? These guys are CROOKS plain and Simple...Look at the shell game real estate deals "the donald" did Stealing people's down payments and all that's left is a huge sandpit where the homes were "intended" to go. LOOK at TheGangrene with hisfreddie mac money sucking scheme leaving homeowners with foreclosure and the government to bail out freddie and fannie, look at Rommel; OH MY GOD!!!!! SATAN HIMSELF!! That politico has ONE thing in mind for Americans:Indentured Servitude with $5.00+p/g gas and $7.00p/day pay slaving away while his darling little boy slips into his very chic $180,000 Ferrari which is brought to "His idiot son, like bush with H W, by Daddie's Inhouse Car Elevator in their Malibu Mansion. LISTEN UP Sister and Brother Americans; A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelPolitico/Soldier IS a vote
against Yours and Your Family's WellBeing.
I think Romney's association with Trump is a gamble that will do more harm than good. Romney's trouble is pivoting toward the center to appeal to moderates and independants without losing his far right conservative support, many of who don't completely trust him anway. By associating himself with Trump and not openly criticizing Trump's far right criticisim (birther, ect.) of Obama, I think Romney hopes to reassure those on the far right that he's still in their camp.
The obvious trouble with this strategy is that associating himself with Trump may cause him to lose more support from the middle than it gains on the right. A lot of people toward the center consider Trump to be unlikeable and a blowhard. Despite Trump's wealth, I think his presence distracts from Romney's efforts to appear presidential.
I'll refrain from criticizing Trump, but I think the simple truth is that by associating himself with Trump, Romney loses more potential votes than he gains. I'd love to see the SWOT analysis the Romney team conducted when they considered this move.
No one else will play with Mitt so he has to go dumpster diving for his friends. Let's see - Trump, Cheney, Gingrich - OMG, even the dumpsters reject that trash!
Obama/Biden 2012
In his role as Bishop, Romney would excommunicate Trump from the Mormon church for infidelity, but in his role as politician, Romney urges his wife to shake Trump's hand. Yuck.
Trump craves for attention - no matter how he gets it, even with Romney - obviously the loser in November'12.
SeekingSanity
No one else will play with Mitt so he has to go dumpster diving for his friends. Let's see - Trump, Cheney, Gingrich - OMG, even the dumpsters reject that trash!
Even the GOP's Rinse, Repeat, Rinse Preibus RNC chairman comes out against the "carnival barker" Donald Trump debate!
Reince Preibus is exactly right. Donald Trump seems to think all the candidates and everyone else needs to kiss his ring before doing anything. Who the hell is Donald Trump? He's just another businessman looking to take his businesses to the next level. He isn't the end-all and be-all of politics in this country. If anything, it also shows how low some people will go to kiss up to him. Newt Gingrich has always been a bottom-feeder and it shows in his pandering to Donald Trump. Since Donald Trump is a sore loser, expect a comment against Reince Preibus.
http://hinterlandgazette.com/2011/12/rnc-chairman-carnival-barker-donald-trump-debate.html
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ROFL, "Sugar Daddies" aren't doing any good for Willard according to carnival barkers in the GOP!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Maybe Willard can talk about his siblings, and how well they're doing.....perhaps more benefits to them.
Good one, Seeking.
Unfortunately, however, instead of the landfill, these guys somehow ended up in the recycle bin.
Must be the plastic content.
Anna Molly - I'd say send them out to the ocean with that plastic island but he sea critters deserve better! They would cause serious pollution!
Trump's hair looks like mad cow pie !!!!!!!!!!!!
Seeking Sanity:
Gee, you're right; Romney should find some classier friends to hang out with....you know like Obama does. Let's see, there's pentagon bomber, Bill Ayers; racist fanatic, Reverend Wright; currency-wrecker, George Soros; commentator who calls women c*nts, Bill Maher. Quite a desirable bunch of buddies!
Oh, now THERE'S some "logical" comments, straight from the spider's lair.
Seriously. Do you even know what a hypocrite you are?
spider - ya got no game. Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers are past history. And reality is he was an acquaintance of Bill Ayers - never had the man campaign for him. George Soros - can you say Koch Bros. Bill Maher - can we say Rush Limbaugh? You can't begin to hold a candle to the idiots Romney has in his corner. Still want to go there because I'll beat you every time.
The GOP shows there is no sanity or class to be had in their party!
Obama/Biden 2012
Spider-
Show me a picture of Candidate Obama or President Obama on stage or at a fundraiser with ANY of those individuals you mentioned (Ayers, Wright, Soros, Maher).
Didn't think so.
For Romney to win he must disavow such bad actors as the Libertarians, the nut cases such as Trump, and the Evangelicals who preach not the Words of Christ but against Christ and his Words, the Neo-Nazi, the Neo-Facists, the White Supremacists, and all others who are intolerant of race, color, sex and sexual preference, and religion -- practically all of Radical Right. Most important he must force his Corporate benefactors to come out of the closet and reveal their darkest secrets and agendas.
Sweet Dreams don't last.
They are perfect together..in everything. ;)
Ayers, Wright, Soros, Maher, you are right, you won't see a photo of Obama with them. Because he keeps them in the background, ready to use them if he needs them, but otherwise keeps his distance from them. He will join them in their church and living room, but not risk being seen with them in public.
Is Mitt Romney playing with fire in his dealings with Donald Trump?
No, he is just showing us how DUMB he really is, to be asssociated with this man, that has shown to be ignorant and a bigot, to say the least.He is still attacking the "birthing"issue...Good grief.
Anybodya who had any respect for Mitt Romney will change their mind now. How can be SO stupid?
'jennilee', I hope your comment was intended as satire (to mock mainstream Republican rants and conspiracy theories). If it was not, then it is seriously disturbing and delusional. Rational people do not think that way, not to they hatch conspiracy theories rather than dealing with life's realities.
Robert in Oregon - Unfortunately my guess is Jennilee was totally serious. She is one of the low informed people who believe the garbage the far right is selling.
@seekingsanity....perhaps a bit too much coffee this a.m.?
Mitt Romney doesn't need Donald Trump for anything and am sure the campaign staff is aware of this.
I really don't understand the strategy, and can't imagine that Romney's people called for this meeting. It has to be Trump craving media attention and Romney is naive enough to fall for it.
Not very Presidential.
Romney Obama are only about the money for advertising, both are whores for the dollar to run negative ads.
Hey, Donald (go make it in China) Trump you really should pack your bags and go to China. There is nobody more UN-American than a CEO. I've said this about you SOBs for years and now you are proving it to me and all Americans Just what your true colors are. The heck with the people, just take their money and run.
I'm waiting for the IRS to become interested in both Trump and Romney... These guys are so greedy that they are above the one-percent...
Apparently Mitt is looking for the reality tv crowd. Gotta get those numbers somewhere.
Strange, though. I can't find anybody anywhere with anything good to say about Trump. The most praise for him in these posts amount to "he's not as bad as..."
I don't know. I just can't see Romney winning. He's pissing off the middle by pandering to the far right, who still don't like him because he's Mormon; he's 15 points behind with women, who've taken the brunt of the far-right's culture war agenda; he's way behind with latinos, blacks and anybody under 45 years old, etc. Anything can happen, I suppose, but if the right wing wants it, there'd better be one hell of an October surprise...
FOX; The Five...right now. 5PM EST
Panel Discussion going orgasmic with praise for Trump.
(1) Trump is an American icon
(2) Trump is the fresh face of the emerging GOP who connect with the public
(3) Trump is a blue color worker who did well
(4) Trump treats everyone who comes in contact with him with respect
(5) Trump is admired by the American people.
And that is how 4 of the 5 pleaded their case with conviction and outrage that anyone would ever demean Trump.
SERIOUSLY...not ONE WORD about Birther...but they CREAMED George Will as someone who has no credibility in the Republican Party.
And there you have it...the FOX-FIX MENTALITY.
Sooooo delusional...but sooooo adamant in their defense of the Birther guy and his wisdom.
It wouldn't surprise me if Trump basically threatened Romney with running against him if Romney didn't kowtow to Trumps ego.
A
very
Rich
BIRTHER
BLOVIATOR
impresses
Romney
....and the GOP calls that "Presidential"
Love that smarmy look on Trump. A sociopath in full bloom. Romney making the rounds in Vegas first with Adelson, now Trump. Where does Kerkorian fit into this? It all comes down to M*O*N*E*Y as the Pink Floyd song goes.
The trio of turds is going to Vegas!!!! Wowoie Zowie!!! Is that supposed to take American's Attention off of who they are and What they Want to do to US?? These guys are CROOKS plain and Simple...Look at the shell game real estate deals "the donald" did Stealing people's down payments and all that's left is a huge sandpit where the homes were "intended" to go. LOOK at TheGangrene with his freddie mac money sucking scheme leaving homeowners with foreclosure and the government to bail out freddie and fannie, look at Rommel; OH MY GOD!!!!! SATAN HIMSELF!! That politico has ONE thing in mind for Americans:Indentured Servitude with $5.00+p/g gas and $7.00p/day pay slaving away while his darling little boy slips into his very chic $180,000 Ferrari which is brought to "His idiot son, like bush with H W, by Daddie's Inhouse Car Elevator in their Malibu Mansion. LISTEN UP Sister and Brother Americans; A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelPolitico/Soldier IS a vote
against Yours and Your Family's WellBeing.
Trump is Gingrich's equal in that they both married their mistresses, two each, brought to you from the party of family values.
Oh yeah Romney is really playing with fire with a Trump association. Too bad he didn't have friends like Bill Ayers, Rev Wright, and George Soros like Obama does. Now those types of associations are simply above reproach, especially for a bunch of liberals that simply cannot grasp the meaning of hypocrisy. For liberals and supporters of Obama, there are only standards for those on the other side of the isle. It seems funny that even liberals fail to see that all the Obama blame and excuses have yet to solve any of the nations problems, and they never will. If Obama had a record to run on, he would. Obama's campaign slogan of yes we can has been replaced by why we couldn't.
And as soon as Romney cuddles up to Trump and his golden Clairol beehive, Trump's hemorrhoidal little lips are firing off more sounds about Obama's being born in a foreign land full of dark-skinned folk.
Romney, of course, makes his usual limp whining sounds, but mostly ignores his new pal's pitch to the befuddled masses who want to believe that the super-rich are their benefactors.
The saddest part is that there are enough Americans flat-out dumb enough to forget that the economic downturn started decades ago, when St. Ron established the "voodoo economics" policies embellished by every Administration since the Eighties. There are enough Americans bigoted enough to disdain Obama simply because he's got hisself a funny name and ain't white.
Obama ain't perfect, either, but gargoyles like Donald Trump are the true face of today's Republican Party, and Male Model Mitt knows that he needs that kind of ugly in order to get the substantial Dumb Vote.
So, do you go with Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh, supporters of Romney? Or do you go with Bill Ayers (Weather Underground terrorist), Jeremiah (God damn America) Wright. and Dolores Huerta (anti-American, socialist)? Hmmm.... But, at least Obama has visited 57 states and doesn't like the "Polish death camps."
Wow the birthers are out and about today . Conservatism Really is a mental dis-order .
Wow the birthers are out and about today.
It only goes to show how far these people are out of touch with reality.
I think it's a good thing!
They demonstrate just how bat @!$%# crazy the GNOP has become better than us liberals ever could! ;o)
Are you saying you're a birther?
Or are you just making an observation that applies equally well to both sides of the political spectrum?
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NLS50..... This is why this country will stay divided.
No, you are wrong. this country is divided in part because people on the far right continue to do everything possible, regardless of how ridiculous it is. They continue to say that he wasn't born in this country after the president provided his birth certificate which proved he was born in Hawaii. Then they start claiming that his college tenure is somehow tainted.
In essence, there are many people in this country who are racists and will stop at nothing in their attempts to discredit everything the president does. They simply can't stand the fact that anyone other than a white man would be our president. It is repulsive and idiotic that these people walk among a decent society as our is supposed to be.
Looks like Trump is moving into Romney's out house to kiss some dirty butt for VP !!! Stalking the flip flopper's butt is not cool !!!
No the real problem is the extremists on both sides. They all think compromise is a dirty word and their side is 100 percent always right.
ITA - ksw.
Politics in America today only caters to extremists on both sides of the fence. And unfortunately the somewhat normal, rational thinking, moderate people of the country are suffering more and more because the crazies are running the country and continually mud slinging each other further and further into a pit.
It is not just the extremists who are unwilling to compromise. The Republcans had a meeting on the day of Obamas inauguration and agreed to oppose just about anything he tried to implement to try and make sure that he would only serve one term. This has been well documented.
How can anyone think that anyone in politics is not on the take from someone be it Donald or any big Corp. , good , or , bad and usually , worse !
This is just as good as choosing Donald Trump for Vice President. He could not have done anything as stupider as this.
Even an association with any of the other clowns -Santorum- would have been less obvious that he is looking for $$$$$, no matter from WHERE.
Is there any doubt now of what he did at Bain Capital? If he is doing this NOW, just think about it.
Feisty
FYI, when you play with fire you wet your pants.
BTW, I had rather associate with Trump that Jeremiah Wright. That's just for starters.
floyd - well, since no one is associating with Jeremiah Wright that would make your point moot - right? It would also make it stupid!
Seekingsanity...You have nothing to offer but insults. Typical Liberal.
Speaking Insanity...so the fact that Hussein bailed on them when it became politically desirable makes it all go away? You are truly an idiot. Get out of your trailer more often and look around. You can't live off the government for your handout forever, especially after November.
That's the liberals answer to civil discussion Commonsenseguy. If they can't defend their argument, their next ploy is to call the opposition names. Fortunately First Read has a solution to that problem... it's called ignore. If I don't feel like reading insults, their innane posts come up as +Ignoring author. It makes for a more peaceful reading experience.
And your point? Come on....give me a break. Did the Republicans prevent Dems from voting in local elections during '10? NO...the PEOPLE sent a clear message to Obama that he was TOO FAR LEFT. That's why you Dems lost the House.
Of course for one full year the Dems had control of House & Senate....AND couldn't even pass a budget. But hey....you stick with you're "it's the Republicans fault"....you sound just like our leader.
I love this thinking. Obama spends 20 years listening to Rev Wright every SUnday. Obama lands a new job at the White House and does the OBVIOUS...cuts his relationship with Rev Wright. Now I'm supposed to just forget about it?..lol.
Actually, Trump better be careful with his associations with Romney. I can see it now: Romney standing next to Trump behind a podium when Romney finally loses it, pins down Trump and cuts off his hair, screaming, "No body should get by with a comb over like that!"
Find the pockets of joy in this nest we share.
Raider..so much for rational thought...
Raider, you don't have to forget about it, but don't expect anybody else to care. Everyone already knows about Wright. He's a loudmouth attention-seeker, but relatively harmless. People know Obama now, and trying to hang the "scary black man" thing on him is not going to work (outside of the South ahd Appalaciha, anyway).
Bob1136191 - so sorry to burst your tiny little bubble but I live in a very nice place. No room for trailers in downtown Chicago. My guess is a trailer would be a step up for you.
Because someone sits in a pew for 20 years doesn't mean they agree with everything said in the pulpit. If that's the case, then Romney is definitely in trouble considering some of the Mormon teachings.
However, Romney - currently - plays up to Donald Trump - the Republican whore. That's a little different! And, the saddest part - he NEEDS Trump!
But, your small mind can't comprehend that people have different opinions, can it. Typical right winger. Now go along and play with your toys - you got no game! And, trash like you shows there is not sanity in the GOP.
Obama/Biden 2012
Alas...more insults from SeekingSanity.
Here's one for you:
Have you ever noticed that your name implies that you are insane? Just thought I'd point that out.
Just thought I'd point out that you wouldn't recognize "common-sense" if it jumped up and bit you in your fat, wrinkly, white ass!
Common sense has gone by the wayside with today's version of the John Birch society!
PS: Quit voting for yourself... loser! lol
Romney hanging out with Trump serves Trump more than it serves Romney. Unfortunately for Romney, he is too stupid to realize it. Trump is a media whore and appearing on the stage with Mitt and Ann only feeds Trump's ego and makes him think he has some relevancy. What a Cluster F*#k the Republican party has become.
SpeakingInsanity...yes, you live in a very nice place. Only 40 shootings and 10 murders over the holiday weekend. Your city is so messed up you have more murders in a week than in Afganistan. And Rahm has really made a difference. Oh well, that loser govenor you voted in on the platform of raising taxes has really slowed down crime heh?
@Jock.....You should know that I didn't bring Wright into the discussion. Libs defending that relationship did. Just pointing that out, fyi.
Actually I speak to many people who have little to NO idea who Rev Wright is. Probably blame the media for that bc they gave Obama a pass on this issue and it didn't get much attention.
It appears you DON'T really know much about Rev Wright. He's an absolute RACIST. I have a feeling if a Republican had this type of relationship it would be HIGHLY criticized by the Dems....AND rightly so. I guess you're cool with listening to someone preach outright HATRED every Sunday for 20 years; I'm NOT.
As for your "scary black man" comment....DO NOT PUT THOSE words in my mouth. That's YOUR TAKE. You are obviously trying to race bait the discussion. Nice try. Did you happen to notice your own brand of bigotry and hatred?...ie "outside the South & Appalachia". You showed your true racist colors with that comment.
commonsense - actually my name is based on my seeking sanity in the GOP but, alas, there is none to be found as you prove every time you post.
Bob-1131691 - I actually do live in a very great town - recognized as one of the top visitor spots in the country. Are we having serious problems with gangs - unfortunately yes. But, that doesn't make the majority of the people here any less fantastic; our city any less beautiful; our culture any less outstanding; our lakefront any less amazing.
It does, however, make you less of a man that you seem to be happy about the deaths. But, that pretty much goes without saying.
SpeakingInsanity...Afghanistan has some great culture and landmarks also. Doesn't mean I would want to live there. How is it that you have any problems at all in Chicago..you have had democratic leaders forever, a progressive (ie.corruption) stance towards others, especially minorities. I would think that you would have the model City to use as a basis for the beliefs you want to shove down the rest of America's throats by supporting Hussein-O. Maybe look inward and see what your philosophies have got you in that war zone called Chicago! Guess you don't care that they are shooting themselves as long as they done come in your neighborhood..a little racism surfacing?
Bob-1136191 - don't worry. We don't want you here in Chicago. And, the "war zone" doesn't encompass all of Chicago. But, had you even a small brain you would know that.
I care a great deal that people are losing their lives and our city is working to end the gang violence here. You of all people shouldn't call anyone racists with the posts you've made.
I also care about the four people in Seattle who were shot and killed today.
And, I support President Obama because he is the best person running - just as he was in 2008. When the GOP comes up with someone other than cheap trash (money doesn't buy class) like Romney maybe there will be consideration of a Republican candidate. Until then, get off your high horse. You've got nothing to brag about in your candidate. He's a typical right wing know nothing and, of course, that is attractive to you.
There is definitely no sanity or class in the GOP as your disgusting and racial post clearly shows.
Obama/Biden 2012
SpeakintgInsanity..yes Hussein-O isthe best person running if by that you mean things like donating $500M of taxpayer money to companies like Solyndra whose owners were big Obama backers, or having a President bashing Bain when he has over 1M invested with them..where is your outrage that his money is helping them to stay in business. And talk about racist...you are blaming the killing fields ofChicago on gangs who are overwhelmingly minority blacks and Mexicans. How racist to say these minorities are the cause of all your crime..I bet in private you use the N word on a regular basis. With people like you making accusations like that, it is no wonder they cannot get out of their situation. They just need a chance, but with people with your bigoted beliefs it is no wonder Chicago is in the predicament they are in. You might be more happy moving to the south.
Donald Trump gets to vote just like everyone else. Rather have him as a friend than a country hating preacher and a bomber.
By the way, let's see those college applications, Mr. Transparency.
Sure thing Mort just as soon as we see mitts birth certificate , tax records transcripts . hey lets get a look at the donalds bankruptcy filings as well . GREAT idea .
"Mr Transparency" That's a good one. Has the president made good on ANY of his "transparency" promises yet?
that "country hating preacher" served honorably in the military, and Donald, like most right-wingers these days, did not. Funny what passes for values these days.
President Obama has shown his state record birth certificate, the original hospital long form birth certificate, all of his tax records, college papers, etc. Romney has done NONE of that.
Explain to me why the rightwing demands these things from Obama, but gives "their guy" a free pass? If it's really true that "anyone running for president should have to prove their eligibility" like they say, and not just blind hatred for the President, veiled racism, hypocrisy and double-standards, then why isn't Romney automatically held to the same standards?
Cameron Ford - because Romney clearly has something to hide. President Obama has been vetted more than any President in history but the little right wingers will never be satisfied. Ya gotta pity the lack of intelligence on the right!
Consumer confidence down
Americans feel worse about the economy in May than they have in eight months as worries about the weak jobs, housing and stock markets continue to rattle them.
Consumer Confidence Index now stands at 64.9, down from a revised 68.7 in April.
Something to worry about? Instead we are talking about birthers, Trump and Rev Wright.
mort44 - so now you want to see college "applications?" Have you totally lost your mind? Let's see all of your applications. I couldn't produce my applications if it would save my life. What next - do you want his first little "sleeper" too? Or his baby shoes?
Great point. I was thinking the same thing. Watching ppl get their undies in a twist over the birth cert issue is comical. Trump....yawn, yawn.
Does anyone care that our current "leader" is failing us as President? Who gives a crap about the birth certificate. Here's an idea.....get a budget passed. Make SOME SPENDING CUTS. My God....DO SOMETHING.
It's growing old watching this administration DO NOTHING. Now back to the campaign trail.....jeeze.
Speaking Insanity..you would have actually needed to finish High School to post your transcripts. Your Wallmart application is not what they are talking about.
We haven't seen Mitt's birth certificate nor his college transcripts. Are we going to see his, I don't see anyone screaming about his birth certificate or transcripts. I thought this was going to be the norm now. Where is Mitt's birth certificate or his transcripts? I think he should show them to us. He is running for president, right?
DEFEND TRUMP THE BIRTHER...
the GOP "critical thinking" skills
Bob1136191 - clearly your level of intelligence is the gutter. But, I'm sure that's the best you can do. If you think your low mentality is insulting to me, try again. You don't have a clue and it shows every time you post. But you are the perfect person for the GOP to pander to - low intellect and all.
RI Mom - Trump is all they've got. Just goes to show - money can't buy class!
Yup. Mitt the Barber and the D are a well balanced matched set. Twins from the same mother so to speak. They both:
Like to fire people.
Use the bankruptcy courts as profit centers.
Use the same hurricane proof hair spray.
Enjoy watching Newter Gringrich saying the really really dumb stuff.
Celebrate family values and lifelong fidelity - oops, Mr D not so much, but the evangelicals don't really mind.
Looks like Trump is having an influence.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47608339/ns/politics/#.T8YfVd6rRu0
Obama's literary agent did not come up with "born in Kenya" out of thin air. It had to be based on something. Let's find out how the error originated and put it to rest. Ignoring it only makes it more interesting.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47608339/ns/politics/#.T8YfVd6rRu0
She claims it was a "fact checking error". Really, let's see the error source.
mort44 - let me show you small minded little right wingers how this works. He was talking with the editor and said he was born in Hawaii then moved to Kenya then lived ..... So, as the literary assistant is inputing information she mistakenly puts in he was born in Kenya then... Easy mistake to make and when it was proofed it was caught. You truly are simple-minded!
Proofed 17 years later. Good call there Seekinginsanity.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/05/obamas-literary-agent-used-born-in.html
I don't care who Romney hangs out with or gets endorsements from. I am willing to talk about what programs we should have and not have and how much we should pay for them. I am not willing to discuss whether or not they will be paid for. This same group proposed and fought wars without increasing taxes to pay for them while deregulating the financial industry. I think they have already proven their incompetence.
well said Ron . I do love all these posters That CANNOT seem to remember 2007 .
NoLimitSoldier50...Wrong, you can do something about the past, you can learn from it and not repeat the same mistakes.
MM-
Or in Romney's case you can run on a return to the failed policies of the past.
Retro-recession, anyone?
or in Obamas case, we can continue the current failed policies.
NoLimitSoldier50.: Shell Shock. Medic!!!!!!!
If you don't learn the lessons of mistakes past, you are doomed to constantly commit the same mistakes in the future. One lesson that this Country always fails to do.
Lt. Colonel
We can talk all day about 2007. I've even discussed how Bush made mistakes and will probably go down as a lame president.
BUT.....Obama has LOWERED the standard. Obama is making Bush look BRILLIANT. You ppl can rant all day long about Bush and 2007 blunders. But I find it ironic you CAN'T address OBAMA's FAILURES.
Raider
I can tell you Obama's biggest failure. It was not cleaning house of the Bush jr. appointees when he took over. Understandable that you defer the dusting when the house is on fire, but nevertheless a mistake.
This is laughable and a first. You've given NEW meaning to the "blame game". So Obama is not at fault for who he appointed or kept around? Only in your world pal. He's the POTUS. HE IS IN CHARGE. Not only is your argument misleading but it also validates Obama's lack of leadership. Enough of the Bush blame game already.
Why can't you man up and say his biggest failure is his BROKEN CAMPAIGN promise to reduce spending?
nibor
Actually, Nibor, unless you're a political/economics novice or a hardcore repugnican goosestepper, we don't know if President Obama's policies will fail or not because the party of treason has prevented him from implementing his policies. Do you support the treason of the GOP that was committed on inauguration night? When you conspire to damage or destroy the whole nation in order to get one man, I'm certain that rises to the level of treason. Is treason okay as long as it's to achieve politics,Nibor?
Trump? Really? There is more to winning an election than money.
Love to see Mr. Trump in radiation with me!
phinephancy - no, you deserve better. He'd make you throw up without treatment!
You sure do deserve better Phine. This one cracked me up...dealing with a raving lunatic that has bad hair to get money....what could possibly go wrong?
All his hair floating around the radiation lab would probably kill me off faster. Keep that squirrel haired guy away from me!
What happened to The Donald's investigators from a year ago?....Anybody know?
Bill Maher? Obama should know that elections are won not only by money
Are there enough right wing lunatics out there to elect Romney if he aligns himself with the Birther nutcase Donald? I don't think so - if there were, Santorum would be the Republican candidate.
Two of a kind. Neither fit for national office.
Was Moe playing with fire dealing with Larry and Shemp??
WilliamOfRites
Was Moe playing with fire dealing with Larry and Shemp??
ROFL, that long birther screed is going to give Rob-me a big head like Larry and Shemp got .
Igor Volsky noted that in October, when Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) partnered with right-wing pastor Robert Jeffress, Romney demanded that Perry “repudiate” him. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), a leading Romney surrogate, added that for a national candidate to stand with a offensive character was “beneath the office of president of the United States.”
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/29/11938947-
trump-cant-help-himself
That double talk is a big head ache for Mitt!!! He just cant seem to get it right.
Romney spokesperson said, "The Democrats can talk about Donald Trump all they want - Mitt Romney is going to talk about jobs", economy.
Okaaay Mitt
Romney admits Bain 'didn't create' jobs in 9sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FLeRvvb7_c&feature=player_embedded
Mitt lies a Lot!
Yup!!! No minimum wage, no benefits, no SS, no EPA, no OSHA, no Commerce, no Education, no Health coverage, etal. Welcome to Corporate America and a return to the 1800's and early 1900's status for all workers. Yup -- every Corporation's dream. Plenty of jobs awaiting in newly created sweatshops stateside.
NO THANKS!!!!!!!!!
SC Guardian - Some where I saw you sign a post as Lt Colonel, so I would expect an educated and informed remark. But just to take a couple of your topics, No one is suggesting we do away with SS, but it must be revised by making changes to keep it solvent. (If you are referring to the Ryan proposal, remember all people 55 or older will not be effected, and those under can remain in the current system if desired.
OSHA - Most states have their own OSHAs which are more stringent than the federal agency therefore it could be eliminated or oversight greatly reduced.
Education - The Federal Government has done more to waste money and time by trying to make education a "one size fits all" program. Give the money back to the states and let the states and local governments run the schools (hopefully with parents oversight). Health coverage - There needs to be some changes but the ACA is not/was not the way to go. It spends billions and really doesn't do anything to improve health care. BTW, the Supreme Court will be publishing it's ruling within 30 days. Minimum wage, A lot of the states have a higher minimum wage than that required by the Federal Government. (So minimum wage is better handled by the states than the feds). The federal government is to big, to intrusive, to expensive, to wasteful and completely out of touch with the majority of the American people.
@sfcret....great post/comment my friend. Hope others take the moment to read it.
The BOTTOM LINE....ANYTHING the Fed can do I and/or my LOCAL leaders can do BETTER. People MUST grasp this concept.
sfcret and raider
The dynamic tension between centralized power and states rights was the central theme of the conflict between Washington and Jefferson. Its always been there in one form or another and has been the fault line between "conservatives" and "liberals". The usual battle lines are minority rights from slavery to immigration (states rights), education (monkey trials), social programs (Roosevelt was a commie) and federal regulation.
You guys got nothing new to add to the three hundred year + debate other than your opinions. The states rights advocates restrict the unfettered spread of Federal power but if the conservatives had been consistently dominant over the past 300 years our current culture would look more like 1840 than 2012.
If you want to be relevant, express specific proposals.
@loyaltexan,
If you want to seem literate, read the post. sfcret gives you two SPECIFIC proposals. Did you not read it?
And you do? Lol. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Raider sfcret
Two specific proposals
Turn education over to the states: The backstory on this states rights argument is state political control over content (creationism vs. evolution), (school prayer), spending cuts (education budgets are the first to get wacked) and tyranny of the majority (kick undocumented immigrants out and bring back separate but equal).
Repeal the ACA. This act has been thoroughly debated so there is no point in resurecting old stale arguments from both sides.
Let States set minimum wages. What is your point? They already do. The Fed rules are just a backstop.
Ooops, maybe you made three specific proposals?
The BOTTOM LINE....ANYTHING the Fed can do I and/or my LOCAL leaders can do BETTER. People MUST grasp this concept.
I consider this unsupported rhetorical opinion.
Loyal Texan, I consider your response a typical left wing opinion. You and the left think only the federal government should control all aspects of your lives. It is much easier to control local politicians than members of congress and the white house. But then I can see that you want the federal government to control everything. What part of the federal government being to big, spends and taxes to much, waste to much and is out of touch with the American people.
Get a life, learn to think for yourself, and quit counting on the Federal Government to give you everything.
sfcret
Your premise that it is easier to control local politicians than members of congress or the White House is incorrect. A Congressional Delegate represents approximately 675,000 residents, far less than the mayor of any major city and certainly less than any governor. And they have to be accountable to the voters every two years. Each state has two senators, twice as many as one governor. The fact that the incumbents tend to stay in power is a function of lazy voters, not the structure of the federal government.
Get a life? Please note that when you stoop to name calling and invective labeling to embellish your argument , you diminish your credibility.
And where exactly is Mitt Romney's birth certificate? Funny how all the right wing loonies demand to see Obama's because "anyone running for president should have to prove their eligibility" but they don't hold Romney to the same standard.
Obama has shown his birth certificate. Why hasn't Romney? Hmmmm.
Romney hasn't released his tax returns - unlike every other recent candidate for President.
Romney also hasn't revealed his biggest fund-raisers ("bundlers") - also unlike any other recent candidate for POTUS.
We should start a ridiculous internet campiagn to demand to see Romney's "papers". And then the hypocrites can come out and say things like "he doesn't need to prove to you he's an American"
Wasn't Romney born in Mexico?
TNSEVOL--I really wonder what is in those tax returns that Romney doesn't want us to see.
That is the racism that is the birthers. Not one WHITE president has ever been accused of being born outside the U.S. Why is that?
Because Romney is white he gets a pass on the birth certificate thing. Personally, I'd like to see it. Mitt, give us a peek at it!
The best part of Romney was left in Mexico ?
Is Mitt the Barber an anchor baby?
Mitt's father was born in Mexico and this was brought up when he ran in the primary for President against Nixon. Trump is such a joke, poor Romney does not realize that Trump is out for only one person, himself, keep his name in the headlines - he is about as relevant as "tits on a boar" as my old grandma use to say.
Short answer Loyaltexan - Yes Mitt could be called an anchor baby. His father was born in Mexico.
Translation of Romney's comments: "I want to be President so badly that I don't care what kind of crazy, stupid things anyone says or does, as long as they give me money or do something for me."
Translation of Obama's receiving money/endorsements from Bill Maher, wright, ayers, etc. "I want to stay president so badly (even though I have no idea what I am doing)that I don't care what kind of crazy, stupid things anyone says or does, as long as they give me money or do something for me."
I am waiting for "I am not a witch" to jumb on board. The circus continues.
If the single best argument you can come up with against the sitting President Barack Obama is that he's not really born in this country, either your political platform is extremely weak or you're mentally very lazy.
FactOfTheMatter - "either your political platform is extremely weak or you're mentally very lazy" - or both!
is Barack Obama.
wasn't Romney born in Mexico?
(tiptoe away chuckling)
I sure am glad the President never had any unfortunate associations. Oh wait.......
Recovering Democrat - the difference is - he got over them while Mitt appears to be cultivating his. It's all Mitt has!
"Unfortunate associations" are not the same as receiving endorsements, funds, and support from someone on the national stage as part of one's campaign. Romney is actively, intentionally, and happily campaigning with Trump, a known "birther". (Not to mention his problems with bankruptcy, serial marriages, etc.) Not a stellar decision no matter how you want to slice it.
There's also a pretty big difference between "unfortunate associations" and "knowing the guy's a lying windbag but joining forces with him anyway because he's got money." It's sorta like the difference between regretting taking your ugly cousin to prom and being a whore.
Righties keep playing the Rev. Wright card.
Rev. Wright was the paster of a church the Barack Obama attended. Brach Obama did not write his sermons just like none of us write the sermons of our pastors. Sometimes we agree with them, sometime we don't. Howver, most free thinking people are not their to worhsip the pastor so we know the difference between an opinion and an edict. Have you people never once left church shaking your head and saying to yourself, I didn't agree with the pastor today but I will be back for the fellowship with believers of the Word not becaise I agree with EVERY word of the pastor.
Rev. Wight is not a problem for President Obama.
Sheila...Wright was also a radical political activist in the Chicago area for many years and Obama knew him well. They served that radical activist situation together and they were long time political and activist partners. It is just another Obama lie that he didnt know what Wright was saying or involved in just like it was a lie that Obama didnt know Bill Ayers. He was equally involved in leftwing radical partnership with Ayers....In fact Obama envited Ayers to be on the board of directors for his organization and likewise Ayers envited Obama to be on the board of directors for his organization...Two peas in a pod... There is no Rev Wright card. There is just reality and you and Obama are trying to hide that reality. That is how Obama lies to the American people.
J.A. - your post is filled with lies. Wright was the pastor at Obama's church - nothing more. They did NOT DO anything else together.
Obama did NOT invite Ayers to do anything. They were acquaintances who served on a board together (Obama joined the board after Ayers and did not know him before). They were NOT close friends.
When you have to lie to attack anyone it should make you step back and examine your motives. But, for the supporters of Romney - all you can do is lie. You've got nothing else.
Obama/Biden 2012
"Donald Trump is attacking President Obama's background. And I said, 'Wait a minute, Trump also is from a mixed background. He's half jack and half ass.'" –David Letterman
Job1 - Love it! Did not hear that one but Letterman totally hates Trump!
Not only that, but the right wing would take nothing less than a wholesale repudiation of Rev. Wright by Obama. Just imagine what the reaction would have been like if Wright held a fundraiser in '08 that Obama had attended. Fox News would never have let that go.
Did not hear that one but Letterman totally hates Trump!
Most Americans do! and it is not because he is rich, it's because he is a total IGNORANT BIGOT, THAT THINKS HE IS GOD HIMSELF.
CRETIN. HE IS TRYING TO GET BACK AT President Obama. Now President Obama can take the two most ridiculous and rich men.
J.A.
I am not suggesting that Barack Obama did not have an association with Rev. Wright. I am suggesting that Barack Obama is and was a free thinking individual and knows difference between the sermons of a Black Liberation preacher and the Word. There are many evangelicals who are not racists bigots or anti-semites but they sit in pews regularly listening to their pastors say things that are offensive but they obviously come back for other reasons.
As in the case of Rev. Wright, he did not spend every Sunday for 20 years espousing disappointment the American Way. He surely loved his country at one time and may still but he has the right to express his opinion on some things.
As for Bill Ayers, it has already been established the Barack Obama was a child when Ayers was running around in 70's as a Radical. By the time Obama met him when he was an adult Ayers had already become mainstream.
It is time to get over Wright and Ayers. They are not influencing Barack Obama today. In fact I would think they are both disappointed that he is so conservative on some of the things they are most progressive on.
Give it up! It is dead and stinking.
All you Lib/Haters know how to do is stroke each other.
You all live in FantasyLand.
Seriously...do any of you have jobs?
J. A.-522495
Let's suppose, for discussion's sake, that Obama was influenced by Wright, Ayers and their like in more ways than we know, believe or understand. What has he done as president to demonstrate that influence?
GR....Tried all the wrong stuff....failed at everything....
Your attempt to trivialize Rev Wright does NOT fly with many people. In addition, I find it hard to believe that you would continue to share fellowship with someone who CONTINUALLY PREACHES hatred. Quit making it appear as though Wright has some different views or opinions. Rev Wright is a RADICAL!!! HE IS FULL OF HATRED and RACISM, and anyone who would subject themselves to that every Sunday, would have to share many similar thoughts.
I totally agree with this point though. But it's called a DOUBLE STANDARD. The media gave this little attention in 2008. Had it been a Republican the country would have been up in arms over this issue.
Raider...The thing is that most of the posters of the left really know this....and yet they are choosing to ignore it. They are radicals who look at this anti-american behavior will never admit that they dont admire the history of this country and the ideals that made it great. They are more than willing to attack those ideals because they are sold on the Utopia of socialism even though they cannot point to one example of socialism that has had a fraction of success that our country has had. The liberal attitude of hatred and envy of the rich corresponds to the hatred and envy that they have for our country and to our success....which is fading at their hands.
Seeking 13.6....The facts that I pointed out in post 13.5 are the truth. You are either to ignorant to understand them or you are purposely lying to yourself and the world. The blind acceptance of the idea that Obamas history is a shining bright spot in our history is just unbelievable. That the liberals close their eyes, ears and brains to the facts is equally unbelievable to me.
@JA....tell it like it is my friend. Well said. You'd think that Europe's economic woes would level set Americans to the reality of Socialized Govt. Instead it seems like we're in a RUSH to be as bad off as Europe.
I think repubs should get a "do over " . Lets bring back bachmann , cain, perry and newt . Shake well add in some palin maybe some mccain . Yes I miss the days of the loaded clown car .
All improvements. Thanks!
that's sure no joke... SNL really went lame after the debates
VOTE ; Ron Paul Not giving up yet the fat lady is still on her way .
nibor - bachmann, cain, perry and newt WOULD all be improvements over Romney - not much - but a little!
These two are a match made in heaven. They both like to fire people and neither one of them is worried about the poor.
This next election is going to be about the rich and the poor and class distinction. These two millionaires treat the world and it's inhabitant's like their personal playground. Trump has sons shooting an elephant and waving its tail. Romney puts his dog on the roof of a car....these two make me sick.
Have you seen Obama's net worth? He is a millionaire as well.
So let me see if I get this straight: Obama associates himself with an unrepented terrorist Bill Aires AND a U.S. hating preacher by the name of Jeremiah Wright and MSNBC has the AUDACITY to say that a Romney link to TRUMP is playing with fire?!?!?
The unbiased media has been dead for several years so it really doesn't matter - does it??
Thank you, ProBusiness. It's amazing that your comment actually was posted.
Again with Bill Ayers, no one cares man.
And they don't care about Wright either.
I mean, they tried to bring it up as legit issues and Obama still won the election decisively. But hey, maybe if you try it again, this time people will change their minds.
a U.S. hating preacher by the name of Jeremiah Wright.
I'll take Rev. Wright's bio over Donald Trump's as the record of an honorable American, any day.
If you remember your history, ProBusiness, President Obama severed his relationship with Rev. Wright and his association with Ayers was found to be casual and happened many years after Ayers' prior acts. Here we have Romney appearing TODAY with someone who made birtherism comments TODAY. The further point is that Romney's path to election is through the independents and folks in the middle and they aren't birthers.
Steeler Fan: Hmmm, history is not your strong suit either-is it...... Let's recall that Obama said (and I paraphrase) "I can no more disown Reverend Wright than the entire black community" then two weeks later - - - BAM!! - - - threw Reverend Wright under the bus. That's what Obama does - use you until he doesn't need you anymore. Regardless, he did not "sever" his relationship with Wright until he HAD to to save his candidacy.
Regarding Bill Ayers I love this "casual" relationship. Really? He announced he was running for the STATE senate in Illinois IN BILL AYER'S HOUSE!! Check your history again - that looks to be a LOT more than a "casual" relationship. But typical Obama - - threw Bill Ayers under the bus when he didn't need him anymore but they were CLOSE friends when Obama WANTED TO BE!! He "severed" the relationship when he realized it would hurt his election possibilities.
So again I say: with a person like Obama who has his entire life spent time around people who hate this country is there any surprise that Obama hates this country? Obama even SAID so!! When Obama said he wanted to "fundamentally change the United States". Think about it. You don't EVER want to change something you like. You don't love chocolate cake then say but the next cake I am going to mix caramel. So if you want to "fundamentally change" the United States you clearly don't like it the way it is so changing it means you don't like it. And you want to try and say Romney talking with Trump is an issue? The entire Obama LIFE STORY is an issue!!
But the media is dead and they have no desire to let the people know the truth so it really doesn't matter.........
Wow, that photo above is right out of the Executive Board of Directors photo album. When 2 CEOs shake hands, it's not about an election. Count on it. There is one thing Trump and RoMONEY have in common....a nice, financially stable youth provided by 2 Big Daddies, without whom, neither man could have gotten where they are today. Trump isn't the big money maker his old man was. Same with RoMONEY. Could be that's what that handshake is all about...the good old days of no regulations for businesses and The Second Coming of the Robber Barons...roflmao...It's certifiable folks.
Elect RoMONEY and you elect a CEO of a profit-driven Big Business and a government turned into a feudal system with you as the serfdom.
@Probusiness-Your argument about change is absolutely ridiculous. You could apply it to all the right wing nut bags out there who want to change this country into a theocracy, but they love this country too, right? Just because you want to make changes doesn't mean you hate this country. There are alot of things that need changing and fixing, it doesn't mean I hate this country. Hell, why then would anyone go into politics, they want to keep everything the same, to do otherwise means they hate the US?
Probusiness - saying President Obama hates this country is just stupid. He, like the rest of us, loves this country and wants us to be better than we are. The fact that you have to base your comments on a vicious lie is telling. When all you have to support your candidate is lies it should tell you something about Romney.
In some peoples opinion of they indeed think he hates this country. Even tho you think someone is stupid is still just your opinion...you know about opinions?
ProBusiness,
Please list the ways in which Mr. Obama, as President, has demonstrated his hatred of this country. I think we already have a pretty good idea of your opinions; now, how about some demonstrably factual examples.
Where did these radical republicans all come from? Who really listens to them? Do people really vote for them? I guess they do, but 'why'? Trump and his birther lunacy has already been proved wrong. And "Hello Don" Barack Obama is already the president. Maybe its the media, putting a camera on the Donster sure makes the news more entertaining. And Mitt, he will embrace Trump today and then walk away tomorrow. I can just hear him "I appreciate his valid views." one minute later "I don't agree with his views."
In the 2010 midterms the Conservative majority in this country, absolutely clobbered the democrats. In November the carnage will continue. Nobody with any common sense thinks that Liberal talking points are valid. I was aUnion member and Democrat until Soros and moveon.org hijacked the party. They complain about how far right Republican's are, how about how far left the Democrats have shifted?
Oregon Bill,
Aw, c'mon. Were you really a Democrat, or are you just saying that?
You know, there's nothing wrong with being a Republican - if that's what you are (were?). I mean, I'm only a registered Democrat because that's who runs my city - so everything of importance happens in the Democratic primaries. I was stupid enough to be a registered Independent for years before I caught on. I'd be a registered Republican or Green or Communist if any of them ran things here.
So, you were a Democrat, huh? And George Soros and MoveOn made you move on, huh?
There are no adult Republicans left to run the party, the tea baggers have run them all out. Becareful for what you wish for - you may get it. Thus the tea baggers wanted a disfunctional federal govt and by God they have got it, and we will all pay for it.
The Donald, in the photo above looks just like a penguin, and I can't believe he is still with that birth certificate issue, how come he has not asked Romney for his birth certificate???? Shows how warped he is and doesn't Romney know Trump is not a man of dignity, he is an adulterer. Any way for those of you who believe in astrology, there was a meeting of astrologers from all over the world, top notch astrologers, who say Obama will be our next Pres., and they predicted correctly the last 2 presidental elections.
Trump needs to stick with what he knows, and that would not be anything to do with the middle class--the very important class to America. I am not convinced that Romney has a clue either. I used to vote repub.; no more. I don't have any use for the tea party. Just look at Boehner and Cantor for clues to what would be down the road if Romney gets elected. Barack won't cave into those mental cases, but Romney easily might. At least, Obama can veto those clowns. I have no feeling that any republicans have any desire to enhance the middle class; only the rich.
Only one's going to get burnt are those here who think FIRST READ is the GOSPEL ACCORDING TO FEISTY REDHEAD....LOL
Why not ask a conservative where Palin was born? What's her maiden name? Where was John McCain born? Do you think any one of them will know without having to go look it up? It's very important for anyone running for President unless they're Republican. Mitt will fire us all and then sell the entire country for a profit.
McCain was born in Guam while his father served in the military, this came up in the 2008 election
Why does this surprise anyone? Most billionaires, have billionaire friends, or colleagues. I am sure the same goes for Obama, he doesn't run around with "Regular Joe's." You have to VERY wealthy to run for president of the United States.
They're both self-serving boobs. They deserve each other. UGH!
I will take trump stumping over joe!
MRWSR - the fact that you would take Trump over Joe Biden says a lot about you - and none of it good. Joe Biden is a man of character who has integrity and class. Neither of those things can be said about Donald Trump. See, money doesn't buy class as Trump proves again and again.
No one knows Joe! You must have met and spent time with him personally. Tell him to keep up the good work.
As for trump, I do not really care for him much at all. But he knows a little more than Joe. 40 years in Washington, really Seeking Sanity?
MRWSR - Trump knows absolutely nothing compared to Joe Biden. And, no matter what you think of him, he is highly respected by most Democrats and Republicans in congress. Donald Trump is respected by no one but low class morons who are dazzled by money and have mistaken crass for class.
Obama/Biden 2012
Just a question here. You said that trump knows a little more than Vice Pres Biden, ok I guess trump would know more on running over the middle man, the poor to get his millions, unlike the Vice President who actually cares about the rest of us.
Saying "The Donald" is qualified to be Vice President is akin to saying a table, because it has 4 legs, is qualified to run in the Kentucky Derby.
LOL
You know the GOP is desperate and can't run on their record when they once again are distracting voters with nonsense about Rev Wright and birth certificates rather than addressing the real issues facing the country!
At least we have a person who has held office for more than 4 years, run a company, and knows how a b usiness should be run. These 2 gentlemen have more on the job trainng than the boob that is in office. He has never held a real job, never fulfilled his seat in the Senate, never voted and remained loyal to what he believes in. We look at the last 4 years and wonder: why did we elect this boob in the first place? His hope and change only came for the losers and we continue to pay for this with our tax dollars.
Dick, that's great except for one thing: the United States of America is not a corporation. Being President is not quite the same as being a manager at a company. If Romney or trump ran the country like they ran their failing businesses, we'd all be in trouble.
And you don't think we are now? Obama will do down in history as:
1. First Black President
2. First president to be known as the "Welfare president"
3. First president to be known for spending enormous amts. of money to counties we have not business even sending money to
4. First President to divide a nation on illegals - who should be sent back to their own country.
5. First President to have absolutely no knowledge as to how a nation should be run since he brought all his croonies from Chicago and now they are jumping ship cause they don't even know what to do.
We are in deep trouble and i really believe NO ONE knows exactly how to get us out of this mess but we need someone who has good skills in managing and we definitely do not have in this President.
Dick - making stuff up and misquoting doesn't count as fact.
To the GOP it does.
Hey Dick, what a perfect description of GWB, other than the being black part.
Exactly, how long will you dems continue to blame GWB for everything. This man has been President 4 years and i am still waiting on something great to happen. Again, this hope and change just never came about. There are more people on the public assistance rolls than ever before. You can only blame this on him since he is the man in charge.
Describes Obama to the tee. Truth sucks for the liberals.
Well at least Obama dosent hang out with terrorist,or try to do a run around the constitution with appointed czars.And just look at that transparency!The last time i felt this confident about a president Jimmy Carter was president,those twenty percent interest rates were great,mabe Obama well match that with hyper inflation since were living on debt,and printing money at an astounding rate,dont worry now im sure things well seem great until after the election.
ron17571
So, when the electorate goes to the polls in November, and the majority re-elects the President, what then? Will the majority of the American electorate have demonstrated its stupidity? Some will say so, but will insist they aren't America haters.
@Cameron Ford.....I don't think anyone of reasonable intelligence would dispute your point. HOWEVER, lets NOT over complicate the job either. The POTUS requires MANAGEMENT skills, yes? Leadership abilities, correct? If you want to compare running a corp VS being POTUS, you'd have to admit they have more in COMMON then they differ.
And frankly right now with our spending and budget crisis, we DO NEED someone to act as a CEO and make the tough FISCAL decisions necessary.
Uh, hate to tell you this MSNBC but a LOT of people admire Donald Trump. So the idea that Romney is making a mistake is probably going to backfie on all the 0bamabots and you.
agree Frank. but you won't see many of those people on here though because they are WORKING for a living
Frank - no one of any substance, intelligence, integrity or class admires Donald Trump. Get a clue.
GermanGem - what an ignorant post. Most of us work but are capable of multi-tasking. Too bad you're so limited in your abilities.
Frank, the only people that "admire" Trump are solid GOP votes anyway. The moderates, however, do not have as much admiration for Trump, and may say to themselves "I know Donald Trump is a supreme douche-bag, and if that's who Romney chooses to associate himself with, I'll just sit this election out."
It really doesn't matter though, President Obama has more than 270 electoral votes locked up already.
the liberal arts college I graduated from begs to differ ss
GermanGem - begs to differ about what? Your abilities? Donald Trump's lack of class? what? Your post says it all - just can't make out what in h**l you were attempting to say? And, you actually graduated from something other than elementary school???
Frank-486334..........uh, not so many who have an IQ above 100. The man is a clown who thinks inheriting money makes you smart. At least we know what he and Mitt have in common !
Admire? What? Who?
Frankie-- if you take alook under that big piece of used rug that Trump calls a hairdo, you find nothing but open spaces. Take the IQ's of Mittens and the bankruptcy expert add them together and they will not go above zero. Trump wants the attention and Mittens wants the money.
Uh, hate to tell you this MSNBC but a LOT of people admire Donald Trump.
And a lot of people admire Justin Bieber so I'm supposed to be all impressed?
German, I hate to bring up all that knuckle-dragging conservative thing but you do realize that you're implying that GOP supporters are working and Trump-haters are loafers and that you are here.....well, have somebody explain that to you.
End of Tuesday and SeekingSanity is up to her usual number of personal attacks. We can see inflammatory comments at #2.10, 2.17,#4.5,#4.7,#12.1,#13.6,#16.9,#23.1,#23.3,#25.2 and (drrrrruummmm rollllllllll) #25.5.
Do you have a regular job ? Do you get paid to post here ??
I must admit, a few of your posts actually relate to the article. Congratulations, that's a minor change for you ...... but then the real SeekingSanity begins to show through as you continue to attack, belittle, sink into name-calling and desperately try to imply that all WHO DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU are deficient some way.
GermanGem has aright to her opinion and your personal attack on her says something about liberal posters like yourself. Your attack on her was but one of many attacks. How do you get by with this venom ?
Yeah, some of us "conservatives" do not have the time to sit here all day with a constant flow of comments.
jim-1455434 - I just find it very interesting you ignore all the nasty remarks make by the Republicans on this site and hone in on me.
As I've said - many of us multi-task and do it well. Sorry you're not talented enough for that. Interestingly enough you found time to count my posts so clearly you're not that busy.
Your posts say it all since they say absolutely nothing.
Weird!
Little Jimmy has enough time on his hands to not only stalk you, but, count comments...? lol
Eh... priorities... I guess... lol
Ohhh, BBBIIIIIGGGGGG Feasty speaks again ! How's that 255 coming for you there girl, or is it 265 now ?
Let's see... I point out her many transgressions and it takes only a short time for a reply. Who is "stalking" whom ? You also throw out so much venom that you feel a need to rush to her defense. LOL ! But, then again, you are FIRST to post so many times it is humorous. Does firstread give you "first shot" ? Or do you work a "guvmint" job where you get paid for doing nothing all day ?
It's funny to read liberals views on Trump. You can tell they are "new" to the political debate table.
Attention Libs: Trump was a registered Dem for MOST of his life...up to 2000 timeframe I believe. He describes himself as "business/fiscal conservative & socially liberal". Sound familiar? I hear many libs describe themselves the same way.
BTW....Trump was also HIGHLY CRITICAL of BUSH.
So why all this hatred for Trump? Or is it just the fact that Trump is also highly critical of Obama, the messiah.
@Seeking Sanity....I just took a quick minute and threw some of your comments on here, hoping that you might see your own lack of code of honor. Lighten up on the personal attacks.
Raider - and where are your counts of the various right wingers who have said much worse? Oh, that's right, they agree with you so you don't bother to put them down.
Your post says it all about you and none of what it says is good - or intelligent! Oh wait, that probably hurt your little feelings, right?
Does it surprise any rational thinker that the comments of "Seeking Sanity" are what passes for sanity by the far left.
Sam....I would like to vote support for your statement a thousand times....So tired of hearing the radical comments and lies from Seeking....
Nope, lol.
@Seeking Sanity...as others have noted YOU seem to be the worst offender on this blog. No need to debate the idea that COH violations come from both right or left. I realize this. Just thought YOU IN PARTICULAR need to polish it up. I don't have an interest in playing "hall monitor" on here and pointing out all offenders I run into.
Besides....if you've been on Newsvine for ANY length of time you must know that the conservative comments get shut down much quicker then the liberal ones. There is indeed a liberal bias on MSN when it comes to COH monitoring. You enjoy the benefit of a liberal friendly platform, so relax.
Nice & classy comment Seeking Sanity.