Okay J.D. if you don't like that one then I will point out the one about the Grasshopper and the Ant. You see even after the Grasshooper frittered away his Suimmer the Ant' s broke down and saved him. We're trying to do the same for you even if you aren't listening right now. You'll just keep on frittering away your Summers listening to Mr Romney's Lies and False Promises and we'll still share with you in the Winter. That's just who I and many more are.

IR - Great post - as is said somewhere in the Bible - You reap what you sow

and maybe some of the GNOP should re read the Parable of the Good Samaritan....it can't hurt to want to be able to help one another....not to just help thyself....

AMERICA, DO NOT BE FOOLED !

The Carnival Barkers United Front(formerly known as the MSM) will try to Convince Real Americans of Every Shiny Object & Every SmellTest possible between Now & Election Day!

However, Real America needs to be Focused on 1 thing, "The Supreme Court" & its direction over the LONG Term. In 2010, Folks were discouraged because President Obama had'nt succeeded in turning around the The Economic Disaster of 8 years from the Previous Administration, in ONLY 2 Short Years. They stayed Home & Did'nt VOTE, therefore giving Republicans the Enjoyment of Redistricting in Many States after the Census was taken. Another 10 years LOST, due to the Short Term memory of the "I Want Change Now Crowd"!

In November 2012, the LONGTERM Direction of America will Rest on WHO America Elects as President! Does America wanna continue the Corparate Direction of America(started with Bush/Cheney),or does America wanna get back to a "We The People America" ?

America, do NOT be Sidetracked by the Latest Shiny Object, that Americas Carnival Barkers wanna Talk about.

This Presidential Election is about "The Supreme Court" & Who gets to Pick 1-2 or 3 Judges in the next 4 Years!

It's about NOTHING BUT THE LONGTERM HEALTH OF, "WE THE PEOPLE"!

Re-Elect President Barrack Obama !

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom

See IR the problem with your story is that the Farmer freely gave of his own to another. The Farmer got to decide what the best use of his extra seed would be.

That's a whole lot better than the government taking the Farmers extra corn seed and deciding FOR THE FARMER what the best use of his extra seed would be. (It is a good bet that the governement would have lost about half of it in transportation)

And that is the part of the story that Libs will never, ever understand.

A Los Angeles Times recent report records the clear mission of Bain Capital.

From Romney's co-workers:

'"I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation," said Marc B. Walpow, a former managing partner at Bain who worked closely with Romney for nine years before forming his own firm.

"The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors."'

Has Romney ever said anything factual about President Obama? He just dreams "stuff" up and expects the American public to believe it. Unbelievable. Now his "new" best friend, Donald The Birther Trump, is going to help him and show him how to defeat this "uppity" foreigner.

His secret weapon? Obama's a fraud. He was born some where in Africa and snuck into America from Cuba with Rubio. Under the leadership of Trump the "Birther" movement will arise and force the deportation of "uppity" Obama and Willard will just waltz into the White House. What a masterful plan. Can you believe these clowns? Teaming up with the 'Trumper", the kiss of death. Goodbye Romney, been good to know you. NOT. I love it.

Obama in 2012.

As usual, IR is wrong

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Retold from Aesop by Rohini Chowdhury

Aesop
Phaedrus
Writers of fables

Once there lived an ant and a grasshopper in a grassy meadow.

All day long the ant would work hard, collecting grains of wheat from the farmer's field far away. She would hurry to the field every morning, as soon as it was light enough to see by, and toil back with a heavy grain of wheat balanced on her head. She would put the grain of wheat carefully away in her larder, and then hurry back to the field for another one. All day long she would work, without stop or rest, scurrying back and forth from the field, collecting the grains of wheat and storing them carefully in her larder.

The grasshopper would look at her and laugh. 'Why do you work so hard, dear ant?' he would say. 'Come, rest awhile, listen to my song. Summer is here, the days are long and bright. Why waste the sunshine in labour and toil?'

The ant would ignore him, and head bent, would just hurry to the field a little faster. This would make the grasshopper laugh even louder. 'What a silly little ant you are!' he would call after her. 'Come, come and dance with me! Forget about work! Enjoy the summer! Live a little!' And the grasshopper would hop away across the meadow, singing and dancing merrily.

Summer faded into autumn, and autumn turned into winter. The sun was hardly seen, and the days were short and grey, the nights long and dark. It became freezing cold, and snow began to fall.

The grasshopper didn't feel like singing any more. He was cold and hungry. He had nowhere to shelter from the snow, and nothing to eat. The meadow and the farmer's field were covered in snow, and there was no food to be had. 'Oh what shall I do? Where shall I go?' wailed the grasshopper. Suddenly he remembered the ant. 'Ah - I shall go to the ant and ask her for food and shelter!' declared the grasshopper, perking up. So off he went to the ant's house and knocked at her door. 'Hello ant!' he cried cheerfully. 'Here I am, to sing for you, as I warm myself by your fire, while you get me some food from that larder of yours!'

The ant looked at the grasshopper and said, 'All summer long I worked hard while you made fun of me, and sang and danced. You should have thought of winter then! Find somewhere else to sing, grasshopper! There is no warmth or food for you here!' And the ant shut the door in the grasshopper's face.

It is wise to worry about tomorrow today.

The wasteful grasshopper in Aesop's fable died of cold and hunger, while the hardworking ant survived.

Liberals call that "unfair". After all, the ant owed the grasshopper. Why? Well, he just did!

Roof Dog Seamus had a more impressive pedigree.

IR great post. JD I feel sorry for you. Most people want to better themselves and their families.

Think of the employment number 8% (I do not want to hear anything about "real" Unemployment). That means 92% of people ARE working and earning a wage. If they are being underpaid that in itself proves the opposite of what you said. That is a man or woman who is worth more than their wage but continues to work to support themselves and/or anyone dependent on them.

I don't mean to be rude when I say I pity you and I doubt that you care. I just could not imagine a life of such a fear. A fear of the poor and how they will always be there trying to take from you. How they live luxurious lives all on the taxpayer dime. The lavish meals they get to enjoy with their welfare. Do you understand that we call them poor? Do you know how hard many work just to escape the word? If it is so great why is that?

Most Americans, even people rather, do not want a hand out they just want a hand up. I always wonder whether there is any remorse to those many who are so quick pry the fingers of those struggling from opportunity?

Feisty, ditto your #10:

Michael Rumbin, V-P for technology management at Dade told the LA Times
“My experience at Dade during those Bain Capital years was that it was strictly an investment, not to create jobs.”

Rumbin told Bloomber last that Dade borrowed so much money to make that payment that when sales declined and interest rates rose the company struggled to pay its creditors. Standard & Poor’s downgraded its outlook for Dade Behring to negative from stable. The company later filed for bankruptcy.

*“They leveraged this thing to the hilt and got out when they could,” Rumbin said. “We were left holding the bag.”

back -- what is your point? of course that is what private equity does. the obama ad that distorts the bain legacy is disgusting and gutless.

with nothing but diversions being used to mask the disaster of the obama record he is truly going to be remembered as one of the worst ever to sit in the oval office.

Oops- the link did not post

http://www.longlongtimeago.com/llta_fables_antgrasshopper.html

IR -

Good post as always. Its a shame the moral of the story is lost on the Right-wingers who keep trying to make something negative out of a positive.

Here's wishing everyone a great Memorial Day weekend, tomorrow is one of the highlights of my year. The Saturday before Memorial Day every year I take my son meet with other Boy Scouts at the local VA cemetery. Along with local Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts they place flags on the graves of the veterans. We always read out-loud the name of the soldier on the headstone, just to remember his/her service. My son always gets a kick out of finding someone who has the same first, last or middle name as him.

It is a somber reminder of the price we pay for our freedoms, and the debt we owe to those who paid that price. I am glad my son has learned Memorial Day is not just about picnics and swimming.

None of us have to do it all if we all do some.

Bless you Floyd for luring the I got mine screw you crowd out from under their rocks...

They just can't resist showing America what selfish & self-entered looks like!

Feisty, have a good Memorial day with your folks!

Further to your #2:

A labor contracts former official of the GS Industries, told the L.A. Times that Bain "bled the company."

It seems the left is oh soooooooo concerned with what Mr. Romney did as a businessman at Bain but never talk about what Mr.Obama and Mr. Biden ever did in their business careers,........oh that's right, they never had business careers,(Oh well, everybody knows being a community organizer and politician is much better real world business experience, right?), but, I digress, let us look at another thing that evil, wicked, and oh soooooooo greedy Mr. Romney did at Bain, one day, the Daughter of one of his employees there at Bain failed to return from a trip to New York, so that EVIL GREEDY man immediately shut down operations and sent the entire company to New York to search for her, set up a command post there, and continued looking for her until she was found,(Doctors said she was quite ill and would have probably died if she had not been found when she was),How money hungry and uncaring!What a monster!,......yeah.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

“Dine with Donald Trump and Mitt Romney” competition.

What will be served aside from a heaping portion of ego's?

Good to see Willard fast becoming BFF's with the Birther King!

Have you noticed Willard is a copy cat? He mimics everything our Presisdent does. He tried singing, hitting the same stops our President goes to, ; now he copies dinner.

No thanks, if I were a republiCON I would be afraid something would crawl out of that FOX tail the after-birther Donald Chump has on his head during dinner.

Obama/Biden 2012

Ah Snookie Joe but you forgot the Codicil to Aesop's Fable. The Ant was reminded of his Honor and Duty to his Friend the Grasshopper and saved him thinking that it was a good lesson for all concerned. So you see my dear even though you are a serious sufferer of Obama Derangement Syndrome there is still hope that somebody is going to take pity on you when all your hopes and dreams fall apart. Won't be me 'cause I'll admit that I'm not as good a person as that Lowly Ant but I'm sure that somebody will listen to your Tale of Woe and take pity on you. Liberal folks are like that but us Old Independents are Vengeful old Cusses

As a Presidential Candidate, this President was investigated to the maximum by the GOP vultures.

And accused of 150% false, fabrications they would now like to forget about.

I imagine Mr. Romney would not survive the kind of gross attacks that Senator Obama received in 2008.

Mr. Romney did at Bain, one day, the Daughter of one of his employees there at Bain failed to return from a trip to New York, so that EVIL GREEDY man immediately shut down operations and sent the entire company to New York to search for her,

The 14 year old daughter who was eventually found in a crackhouse basement? Is that the one?

And now Willard is pimping her out for the second time for political gain?

Personally, I find it creepy they are exploiting this girl, then again, this is Willard the low-life we're talking about!

Yeah! What a guy...

Lot's of luck with THAT!

Mr. Romney, where are your tax records? a questioning Country wants to know.

Obama in 2012.

"Roof Dog Seamus had a more impressive pedigree."

Did anyone eat Seamus?

Dumb FUX -- 47th? that is right but only part of the story. Politifact checked axelrod's statement (maybe axel is your source?) and rated it like this:

Our ruling

As with many of the claims we check, there are two elements to Axelrod's claim. He is saying that 1) Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth and 2) suggesting that Romney is to blame.

We find he is right about the numbers. Indeed, federal jobs numbers indicate that, no matter how we sliced the data, the state was 47th.

But we found little evidence to support the other part of Axelrod's claim, that Romney is responsible for those jobs numbers. Economists told us that it's a stretch to blame or credit Romney or any governor for job numbers. Overall, we find Axelrod's claim Half True.

just another half-truth to go with many of your posts.

Cali Tom, all the best for Memorial day with your family!

Starting in 1987, Mitt Romney invested 22% of Bain's money in 5 businesses that wound up filing for bankruptcy.

--Bain walked away wth $578 million in profit.

--ROMNEY HIMSELF left Bain with $4Billion in assets.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-20/romney-as-job-creator-clashes-with-bain-record-of-job-cuts.html

*waves to FR Crew*

I didn't see any mention of it above, is it safe to assume the FR "playground" will be closed on Monday in honor of Memoral Day?

I will see the rest of my friends over @ the Dew Drop Inn later, we have much to celebrate!

just another half-truth to go with many of your posts

Sorry little Jimmy,

The half-truth is YOU cherry picking which part of the finding suits your narrative... You might try pasting the link next time to back up your bull@!$%#!

What a rookie mistake... lmao@u

Rick-3416939

If Obama had a record to run on, he would. Blame, attack, spin, hatred, is the Obama legacy. Too bad, at a time when this country was in desperate need of a leader, we got Obama, the great divider.

UMmmm, Little Ricky

You got it all wrong. Romney has no record to run on. He copies everything. Besides copying fundraising dinners with even copies GW Bush's econmic agenda.

Wiilard is devoid of substance.

Romnet bled compaines. Romney is a vulture.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-romney-bain-20111204,0,1945560,full.story

Obama/Biden 2012

Oh yeh White Collar. Why would I complain about the government doing what I would naturally do myself and at the same time Codifying it so that it protected My and My Neighbors Corn from some Yahoo like Willard from coming in and buying up the Corn Market and charging me four prices for what was originally My Corn.

What JD Still is saying is he'd rather have an inferior crop and let the rest of the people suffer for his own selfish reason, than try to help someone else. Amazing.

What you fail to understand WCA is if the farmer is selfish enough horde the seed that produces the best crop to feed all the people, then it's the governments job to see that all the people are fed, not just the selfish farmer. Besides the selfish farmer would have more seed for himself if he shared the seed with his neighbor. See WCA the more you give the more you get.

See no joe would let his neighbor starve to death while he sit on his porch over stuffing himself. Do you realize no joe that when all the people die that work in the fields to supply your food you will no longer have anything to eat.

Then the other tea people Koch republicans like James just try to convince people that the bain legacy is disgusting and gutless. They also try to convince people that President Obama is the worst to sit in the oval office. Oh how quickly they forget about George W Bush.

A “cow pie of distortion”

Speaking of "cow pies of distortion", how about the latest contention that Obama has actually reduced spending?

Essentially, the premise of this arguement is that because fiscal year 2009 was governed by a budget passed during the previous administration (you know, when they still actually had budgets), and because the stimulus was a one-time deal, that it is somehow unfair to count it against Obama as his spending. Never mind that it was his administration that allocated (spent) the stimulus and TARP II funds; and that this analysis attributes a 410 billion dollar spending bill that Obama signed in March of 2009 to the Bush administration; and let's not forget the wonderful ACA that's costs were deferred until 2014 to hide them from the American people until after the election; the arguement boils down to accepting the idea that if you ignore much of Obama's spending, then he really hasn't spent that much.

As if that weren't enough, the analysis then uses the same year deemed as unfair to count against Obama (2009) as the baseline to establish the "decrease" in spending in fiscal 2010. Even if you were to accept the basic premise ( a difficult proposition in itself) wouldn't it be more accurate to compare 2010 and 2011 to 2008? I guess you would only do that if you were interested in the truth.

Jobs, Romney and Bain:

"Bain Capital has been responsible for thousands of layoffs at companies it bankrupted, such as American Pad & Paper, Dade International, and LIVE Entertainment, which Romney's stat completely leaves out.

He's also taking credit for jobs created long after he left the firm to launch his political career. To sum it up, the stat Romney uses is incredibly dishonest, like much of his jobs rhetoric.

One of Romney's Bain business partners has said that he "never thought of what I do for a living as job creation." "The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors," he added.

And Bain has certainly done that, maximizing earnings "by firing workers, seeking government subsidies, and flipping companies quickly for large profits."

Due to a lucrative retirement deal, Romney is still making millions from Bain, as he goes across the country calling himself "middle class" and joking about being "unemployed." (Garofalo, Jan 2012)

Did anyone eat Seamus?

I did. But he wasn't as tasty as Pit Bull Pot Pie.

IR - Oh yeh White Collar. Why would I complain about the government doing what I would naturally do myself and at the same time Codifying it so that it protected My and My Neighbors Corn from some Yahoo like Willard from coming in and buying up the Corn Market and charging me four prices for what was originally My Corn.

Huh?

Link from above post.

Romney made his fortune by getting together with very wealthy friends and did corporate raiding. For goodness sakes this guy was named after the billionaire Willard Mariott of the hotel chain. Do you think he has any understanding of the regular person!? Think of his comment yesterday that "class size doesn't matter". What planet is this guy from? lets check out the tony private school he went to and see how its class size measures up to public schools. This guy is as phony as a three dollar bill. Everytime he opens his mouth he lies.

Usted canta como un pájaro gordo listo para la olla!

gracis!

TO: Rick-3416939 who wrote:

"... at a time when this country was in desperate need of a leader, we got Obama..."

What have Republicans done to get the economy moving again, or to earn their paychecks? Not a damn thing.

Republicans have tried their best to tie President Obama's hands behind his back, and then demand that the President work with no hands.

You need to look towards YOUR REPUBLICAN LEADERS and ask THEM WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO GET THE ECONOMY moving again, BESIDES more and more tax cuts for the rich.

Obama/Biden 2012

Wow, what a busy guy Obama is...first he has been assaulting his own reputation for three years, and now he is going to go after Romney's as well...

Fool's Gold

A “cow pie of distortion”

Speaking of "cow pies of distortion", how about the latest contention that Obama has actually reduced spending?

As you can see, confronting the left with the truth is an exercise in futility. They don't care about actually discussing facts and will ignore you every time. They will not only ignore but will change the subject entirely.

Usted canta como un pájaro gordo listo para la olla!

Quien esta hablando?

Quien esta hablando?

Quien sabe.

I cannot take credit for gathering the following information - a poster at the Guardian UK, came up with this....but, it is rather disturbing:

Romney will not release his tax returns.
Romney has bank accounts in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.

Romney bankrupted 8 companies in 9 years :

AMPAD - Profit: $102 million - Bankrupt: 2002
DDI CORP - Profits: $36 million - Bankrupt: 2003.
DAMON CORP - Profits: $1.5 million - Bankrupt: 2009
DADE BEHRING. Profits: $365 million - Bankrupt: 2002
STAGE STORES. Profits: $100 million - Bankrupt: 2000.
GS INDUSTRIES. Profits: $65 million - Bankrupt: 2001.
DETAILS. Profits: $93 million - Bankruptcy: 2003.
WORD WIDE GRINDING. Profits $16.5 million - Bankrupt: 2001

Mitt Romney, American Parasite His years at Bain represent everything you hate about capitalism
http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-04-18/news/Mitt-Romney-american-parasite/

Bain Capital Owns Clear Channel
http://www.infowars.com/bain-capital-owns-clear-channel-romney-supported-by-talk-show-sphere/

I used to work in the Boston area during Mitt's time there - he couldn't manage the Big Dig which ran over-budget and over-time - of course the first week it opened, a concrete panel fell on a car, killing the woman inside, I wonder if Mitt even cared...

Then, and this was probably only a big deal in Mass, S. NH, RI - but we heard daily when the Olympics came to Utah that Romney - who just HAD to be on the Olympic Committee - COULDN'T FIGURE OUT IN WHICH STATE HE WAS A RESIDENT... and he's supposed to be a Presidential contender? To be on the Olympic Committee, one has to be a resident of Utah - to be Governor of Massachusetts, one must be a full-time resident of MA. What did Mitt do? Despite his taxes claiming his Utah house as a "vacation house," (and getting a tax break by claiming it that way) - he somehow manged to say that the Utah house was not a vacation house, therefore he was a resident and he had a house in MA, so, he was a resident there.....I'm sure a bevy of lawyers figured it out for him, I just don't understand how his complete failure as a Governor has not been brought up more.

Link to the Guardian page (article about how he is trying to get the Latino vote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/19/mitt-romney-hispanics-dia-uno

The comments are quite good for the above article

Blast Romney?

Why shoot all Obama needs to do is tout is super fantastic record and is great experience in running things.

Except Obama's record is terrible, and he has less experience in running things than Amy, Fiesty and Bev. combined.

But seriously libbies - Walker by 12?

That is just a flat ass whoopin'.

Spanky and of course he did not buy his votes right, how much money has he spent, how much from outside his state and why is it so important that he win at all cost.

Anyone who points out that Massachusetts was 47th in job creation needs to know the truth behind the number.

The truth is that Massachusetts had near full or better than full employment during Romney's time as Gov.

The state didn't have nearly the low employment of other states, which is why they didn't add more jobs. They couldn't add more jobs, everyone who wanted a job had one. The remaining 5% don't want jobs.

This is what it called full employment

Just read the labor statistics and you will know that that "47th" claim is all spin and wreaks of desperation.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST25000004?data_tool=XGtable

J.D.Still

It seems the left is oh soooooooo concerned with what Mr. Romney did as a businessman at Bain but never talk about what Mr.Obama and Mr. Biden ever did in their business careers,........oh that's right, they never had business careers...

I'll grant you that if you grant me that romney never had to worry about a simple electrical bill in his entire life. Romney never had to worry about a job in his entire life. Romney always had EVERYTHING handed to him without a care for his entire life. Romney always had whatever he wanted right then and there for his entire life!

How is that uber rich, soft handed fop supposed to understand what the average middle class american goes through from day to day? I doubt he even sees lower classes and the poor as living and breathing creatures because they are so far below his average, day to day radar.

You probably want to stay away from trying to make hay over who has the most real world experience because the romney side will LOSE EVERY TIME.

Have a great memorial day everyone! I appreciate our fallen heroes!

What have Republicans done to get the economy moving again, or to earn their paychecks? Not a damn thing.

I find this argument amusing. Are they not allowed to campaign for the same length of time as the President. It seems all of Washington has left town to run for re-election. But why should I be surprised. Senator Obama was elected for a six year term. He served two, campaigned for two and left with two remaining. Why were/are we paying him?

You got it all wrong. Romney has no record to run on. He copies everything.

So you are claiming that Obamacare was not modeled on the Massachusetts plan?

Backhouse

Jobs, Romney and Bain:

"Bain Capital has been responsible for thousands of layoffs at companies it bankrupted, such as American Pad & Paper, Dade International, and LIVE Entertainment, which Romney's stat completely leaves

Good morning Backhouse

Do you think these uniteligent righties only watch FOX Noise? Of course they don't have to since FOX NOISE has an echo chamber in right hate radio and hateful, lying right wing websites like briebrat.com & Drudge.

Don't you just like Obama's blaming of TARP on the Bush Administration (It is true that Bush's Administration asked for it) when he, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton all voted for TARP. Remember the TARP passed with a majority of democratic votes. Also Obama asked Bush to not spend or use all of the TARP money so he could use half when he became President. Also I keep hearing the lefties saying it's congress that decides the budget and spending bills, and the House and Senate were both controlled by Democrats.

Ah Snookie Joe but you forgot the Codicil to Aesop's Fable.

Conservatives seems to do this a lot. They pick the part of the story or quote that they like, and that proves their point, and neglect the larger part of the piece, thereby losing the original context.

Sigh...

Fool's Gold

Speaking of "cow pies of distortion", how about the latest contention that Obama has actually reduced spending?

Essentially, the premise of this arguement is that because fiscal year 2009 was governed by a budget passed during the previous administration (you know, when they still actually had budgets), and because the stimulus was a one-time deal, that it is somehow unfair to count it against Obama as his spending.

You're baking your very own cow pies or borrowing Romney's leftovers. The rate of spending INCLUDING the stimulus is down from its highpoint at the end of Bush's miserable excuse for a presidency. I know you windingers hate facts, but instead of greedily scarfing down Mitt's cow pies, try digesting the facts from the CBO chart of federal spending and revenues. It will be a lot more intellectually nutritious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CBO_-_Revenues_and_Outlays_as_percent_GDP.png

You can see that the reason for the exploding deficit is not increased spending as Romney insinuates, but because of the shortfall in revenues. And the federal revenues are way down because of the Bush tax cuts and the Bush Recession.

In all fairness - I did find an article (which I believe a poster has used here on NV), which lists "President Obama's Accomplishments! With Citations!" - I gave it a glance and then thought of accomplishments such as being able to assassinate an American citizen without cause or trial on American soil - I even ran across a video that says that if you have more than 7 days of food in your refrigerator, you can be called a terrorist - I thought the Patriot Act was to be scaled back - not beefed up with laws that are illegal according to our Constitution .... Since I listed Romney's failures, here is an Obama list - which while some call it "accomplishments," I prefer to say, "stepping all over our Constitution and "Freedoms."

So, here is the list of accomplishment site (I almost died of laughter when I got to the header:

"Improved Foreign Relations and American Status Abroad"

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

That video - you know you are a terrorist if you have too much food in your house - (actually it's a member of Congress speaking (Rand Paul) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXKfEsgLLRU&feature=related

That little addition of killing Americans... here:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/constitutional-expert-president-obama-says-that-he-can-kill-you-on-his-own-discretion-he-can-jail-you-indefinitely-on-his-own-discretion.html

The rate of spending INCLUDING the stimulus is down from its highpoint at the end of Bush's miserable excuse for a presidency.

Just so I understand this. Bush was fiscally reckless. Obama spends at the same rate as Bush but somehow he is not fiscally reckless.

Waaaaa... Bush made me spend the money...

Just another way the two worst Presidents in living memory are similar. They are so alike it's eerie.

Spanky-

Blast Romney?

Yes Spanky

Put Romeny and that cross eyed, college drop out Gov Walker on full Blast.

Walker has travelef from state to state getting money big from rich republicans to divide and conquer the unions. He said so himself. He has out spent Democrats 25-1. Do you know what is wrong with that?

In case you don't the former deomcratic mayor is down by 2 points after all the money .

Video: Walker's Divide and Conquer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1iDctZ2hJg&feature=player_embedded

I believe Governor Scott Walker is cursed by evil sipirts. There is no doubt Romeny is a parasite.

Money does not vote people do!!!

604800 Seconds Sliced:

(sadly no Jody today, I hear)

The President warms up his campaign with some savage truth telling about the Rombot. This causes Rombot's slavish pack of dullards to blow gaskets right, right and ultra-right because the truth be stinging like a salty bitch slap. It's a good thing "Dick" Cheney, "Newt" Gingrich and Donald "Trump" are coming out on the trail for Rombot, because those guys represent what is best about the Republican party. Their sterling, exemplary and forthright character reflect credit upon themselves and the candidate. Wait..no...ha..hah...hahahaha...OYG..ROTFLMFAOOAOAF. Sorry, kind of lost it there, but I often kill me with my hilarious whimsy.

Speaking of exemplary, Colin Powell endorses improbability when he says "C'mon Mitt, think...". It looks like General Powell is leaning toward a repeat endorsement of President Obama, but he's "keeping his powder dry". After the way the 43rd President pimped Powell out with some crazy "Curveball" fantasies, it's easy to understand Powell's reluctance to endorse the Teapublican "far right foreign policy". Powell's also bound to be anathemic for his endorsement of marriage equality. Oh well, Teapublicans, you lose some and you lose some.

Speaking of losing some, Scott Walker and Tom Barrett are neck and neck in the Badger State with eleven days to go until the election. Even though Barrett has been outspent 2 to 1 by Walker, Governor John Doe's pending indictment and "divide and conquer" video are taking a toll on what was thought to be an insurmountable lead. Among voters categorized as "definitely going to vote" Barrett and Walker are tied 49/49. On Wisconsin, grand old Badger state.

In reducing the size of government news, private space launch company, SpaceX is set to bring private sector jobs back to the U.S. as they replace the Russian space agency in the delivery of groceries to the International Space Station. Should today's docking prove successful, the company founded by Elon Musk (PayPal entrepreneur) will begin a $1.6 billion dollar contract for a dozen supply launches to the I.S.S. This will allow NASA to focus on exploratory missions to Mars and the asteroid belt. Perhaps SpaceX could do us all a favor by giving Newt a ride to the moon, one way that is, so he can scout out condos for his harem of svelte moon maidens.

Speaking of people you wish you could send to the moon, Iran met in nuclear disarmament/reduction talks and agreed to nothing except to talk later. As economic sanctions start to bear down on Iran, their dust bunny falafel is going to taste so great on their recycled pitas (and you don't want to how they're recycling those, but trust me, it ain't green). Pass the tahini!

Finally, proving our education system can't be THAT bad, 15 year old Jack Andraka wins the Gordon E. Moore science prize at the Intel Science and Engineering Fair for a $75,000 payday. Young Jack's invention is a test for pancreatic cancer which is 100 times more sensitive and 28 times cheaper than current tests. Using single walled carbon nanotubules, which Jack calls, "the superheroes of material science", he created a test that was 100% accurate in blind testing. "I did not expect for it to be this good," Jack said, "I was blown away by how sensitive it was." So are we Jack, so are we.

Spend your seconds wisely now.

This is something I don't understand. If Obama is such a great President, why do you compare him so much to Bush (potentially the worst President). Shouldn't you be comparing Obama to LBJ, FDR or even Clinton. It looks like you've settled for second worst as the best he can do.

@Black Kettle, if you really lived in Massachusetts, you would know that Romney left Bain in 1999. All your examples were later. As to one example, Ampad, it would have gone under 8 years earlier without the Bain cash infusion. Some businesses do not survive because they are no longer competitive. I worked for a company that Bain firstly infused two rounds of significant cash. This was a tech startup. The execs of the company overspent on ski jets, boats, pizzas, beer, free lunches most days,etc. it was fun while it lasted. After things did not improve, Bain took the company private. I lost my options and eventually my job. The company was sold to At&T and many people went to work for them. I moved on to a very good job. Bain was the only way anyone kept their jobs.

Alan, NJ

The rate of spending INCLUDING the stimulus is down from its highpoint at the end of Bush's miserable excuse for a presidency.

Just so I understand this. Bush was fiscally reckless. Obama spends at the same rate as Bush but somehow he is not fiscally reckless.

Obviously, you don't understand it, or maybe it's more accurate to say that you just can't stand it that spending is actually down as a percentage of GDP since Obama took office and that the revenues are down much farther because of Bush tax cuts and the Bush Recession. With the exception of Bush's unfunded Medicare mandate and his unfunded wars, it wasn't reckless spending that was Bush's problem, it was the tax cuts that produced the shortfall in NECESSARY spending and the lax regulatory environment under Bush that led to the current deficit problem. And, by the way, the fact that Obama ended the war in Iraq is one reason spending is down.

Because of the cuts in spending, infrastructure is crumbling, the FDA is cutting back on food processing inspection, and the TSA cutting back on airport security guards in a way that are going to lead to ever longer lines at the airport security checkpoints. While there's always going to be waste, fraud, and abuse in government spending that needs to be kept in check, the current deficit problem is clearly not primarily due to reckless spending.

I lived in Manchester, NH - and worked in Boston, if you READ the first statement that I wrote... I said that I didn't take credit for writing them, I didn't research them, I just found them - do I know if the numbers are correct, no - it is not my job to teach someone, they can educate themselves, the links were there and working.

As for the Big Dig, I was there for that, drove in it the day before the woman was killed, I was also there for Mitt's "what state do I reside in?" .... I lived in Manchester, because finding a house with a yard for my dogs was outrageously expensive in Mass - so I did the commute, sometimes 3 hours one way, sunny day - didn't even bother if there was an ice storm...

Despite living in NH, I read the Boston Globe daily....they gave great facts about Mitt (and the facts were not pretty).

Alan, NJ

This is something I don't understand. If Obama is such a great President, why do you compare him so much to Bush (potentially the worst President). Shouldn't you be comparing Obama to LBJ, FDR or even Clinton. It looks like you've settled for second worst as the best he can do.

Roosevelt and LBJ weren't considered "great" presidents until after they were dead. Both men were despised during their lifetimes. As for a comparison to Clinton, Obama got the health care reform passed and the less-known elimination of corporate middlemen handing out federal student loan money. Both of those achievements eluded Clinton. And Clinton himself said in a comment dishonestly edited by Karl Rove in a WSJ hit piece on Obama's taking out Bin Laden, Clinton said that Obama took the honorable but politically risky course of action that he hoped that he would have taken.

The historians are going to decide Obama's ranking. Based on his record (as opposed to the fictional Obama record that Romney attacks), I think he'll be judged as above average in the future, although probably not as high as Abe Lincoln -- the most despised president in history while he was alive.

I also never stated that I lived in Mass - only that I worked there...so I had to pay Mass. taxes (no pun intended), despite living in tax-free, NH.

nojonobo

The wasteful grasshopper in Aesop's fable died of cold and hunger, while the hardworking ant survived.

Wrong entomological analogy. The current economic situation wasn't caused by lazy grasshoppers (the poor, to Ayn Rand disciples like Paul Ryan). The problem was caused by the plague of corporate locusts that descended upon the nation during the Bush years, stripping the countryside of its wealth and leaving the hard-working ants cold and hungry in the barren economic landscape left by the locusts in their avaricious pursuit of easy money. And the locusts retired with huge bonuses for wrecking their companies and lived happily ever after. THE END

Dogma Bites

Can't agree with You there Dogma. True, Mr. Romney did grow up in a wealthy home, but it wasn't always so, Mr. Romney's father was a self made man, worked his way up and gained tremendous wealth along the way, Mr. Romney learned from that, when his father died, he gave away his entire inheritance, he put himself through school, living in a small apartment and maintaining Honor role standing,and then went out and made a fortune on his own,became a Republican Governor in the Bluest of Blue States, and successfully worked with a Democratic Legislature,took over the management of Olympic Games that were deeply in debt, and clouded by corruption, not only turning them around, but actually having them be profitable,Check and see when was the last time that happened. Now I do have to admit Mr Romney probably never had the "real world" experience of drinking heavily, using drugs liberally,(drugs plural,only marijuana and cocaine being mentioned but who knows what else), never ran the streets with a Communist mentor,selling drugs, never hung out with terrorists who actually bombed the Pentagon and police stations, killing innocent people and never attended an anti-American Church for more than twenty years, but, as for me, I will settle for Mr. Romneys "real world" experiences anyday.In closing I will agree with You on the Holiday,God Bless the fallen ,their families and loved ones, and the United States of America.

It's truly stunning that Romney cannot run on his own merits. He's done nothing to make him an appealing candidate. He brings in lowlifes like Donald Trump and Dick Cheney to campaign for him. He can't make a statement without someone telling him what he is supposed to think and say. I would say he is a joke but he isn't even funny.

His record in MA is dismal, at best and the people there can't stand him. He is by far the WORST candidate the GOP has ever run! How totally telling that the GOP has to stoop this low to field a candidate.

Obama/Biden 2012

J. D. Still:

True, Mr. Romney did grow up in a wealthy home, but it wasn't always so, Mr. Romney's father was a self made man, worked his way up and gained tremendous wealth along the way,

George Romney was a decent guy who stood up to the Goldwater radicals. He ruined his political career by making an unfortunately truthful statement about being "brainwashed" by the Pentagon propaganda mill that misled him and everyone else about their unwinnable Vietnam war. Too bad his son turned out to be such a coward and a liar. But you can't blame every bad seed on the parents.

Obviously, you don't understand it, or maybe it's more accurate to say that you just can't stand it that spending is actually down as a percentage of GDP since Obama took office and that the revenues are down much farther because of Bush tax cuts and the Bush Recession.

With the exception of Bush's unfunded Medicare mandate and his unfunded wars, it wasn't reckless spending that was Bush's problem, it was the tax cuts that produced the shortfall in NECESSARY spending and the lax regulatory environment under Bush that led to the current deficit problem. And, by the way, the fact that Obama ended the war in Iraq is one reason spending is down.

I don't see how the figures support your argument. I am using this web site figure 1.2.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

2007 GDP 13.8T Receipts 18.5% Outlays 19.7%

2008 GDP 14.3T Receipts 17.6% Outlays 20.8%

2009 GDP 13.9T Receipts 15.1% Outlays 25.2%

2010 GDP 14.3T Receipts 15.1% Outlays 24.1%

2011 GDP 14.9T Receipts 15.4% Outlays 24.1%

2012 GDP 15.5T Receipts 15.8% Outlays 24.3%

So as the economy has recovered, the receipts have remained at recession levels and the outlays have maintained their historically high levels. Now if we take the projections, the receipts climb to their historical levels, but the outlays remain historically high even though the GDP is projected to grow. How can it be otherwise because Medicare is exploding? (nothing to do with Bush). And if you examine the table, receipts recovered to their historical norms 2 years after the 2003 tax cuts, and fell again in 2009 as the recession hit. This means you can make the argument that tax cuts do pay for themselves and the deficit is caused by spending, such as the wars and Medicare D.

Because of the cuts in spending, infrastructure is crumbling, the FDA is cutting back on food processing inspection, and the TSA cutting back on airport security guards in a way that are going to lead to ever longer lines at the airport security checkpoints. While there's always going to be waste, fraud, and abuse in government spending that needs to be kept in check, the current deficit problem is clearly not primarily due to reckless spending.

Actually discretionary spending is being cut because of the requirements of mandatory spending...Medicare. If Medicare is not reformed (meaning spending less), it will eat up the entire federal budget. Demographics is a bipartisan spending machine.

@Rick-3416939 and other tea baggers

I always hear President Obama does not have a record to run on.

That in it self is a flat out LIE.

Try this on for size:

1. Blaming President Obama for the collapsed economy is not going to work.

Bush trickle down economics policies caused the worse recession in history.

2. The Affordable Health Care Act. Those who had a pre exiting condition can now get healthcare insurance. Ask the millions of people who have them do they want to go back to the old way, in which they would be denied or could not afford health insurance.

3. Equal pay for equal work for women First bill signed into law by President Obama.

4. When President Obama policies took place jobs started to be created in the private sector. And to date still creating jobs. Under the 8 years of bush we had 3.4 million job lost. Now that's a failed policies.

5. You blamed President Obama when gas prices were high, now that they are lower you must give him credit. Or be a Hippocrates your choice.

6. Oil drilling has increase and for the first time in ten years we are at our lowest point of oil imports. LOWEST IN TEN YEARS LESS IMPORTED OIL.

7. Gave tax cuts to working class

8. Had a 4 Trillion Dollar grand bargain until Orange Man walked away because of the tea baggers who had a meeting the same day President Obama was sworn in planning to destroy him at every turn and at all costs. Including the downgrading of Americas credit outlook.

9. Kill Bin Ladien

10 Ended the Iraq war as promised. Can bush say that? HELL NO HE CAN'T

I can go on and on but it would take all day. Happy Tea Bagger's Day

According to archive.org, a website that caches websites on a regular basis, the Dystel.com website – the official website for Dystel & Goderich, Obama’s literary agents – was using the Barack Obama “born in Kenya” language until April 2007, just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency.

I always hear President Obama does not have a record to run on.

That in it self is a flat out LIE.

Try this on for size:

1. Blaming President Obama for the collapsed economy is not going to work.

Bush trickle down economics policies caused the worse recession in history.

Please detail what Bush policy caused a housing bubble that led to the recession.

2. The Affordable Health Care Act. Those who had a pre exiting condition can now get healthcare insurance. Ask the millions of people who have them do they want to go back to the old way, in which they would be denied or could not afford health insurance.

Yet polls have consistently shown a majority want the ACA repealed.

3. Equal pay for equal work for women First bill signed into law by President Obama.

Then why do Democrats feel that further legislation is necessary? Also, supporters consistently blame congress for not passing legislation to mitigate the Presidents' record. So to be fair the President should not take credit for legislation.

4. When President Obama policies took place jobs started to be created in the private sector. And to date still creating jobs. Under the 8 years of bush we had 3.4 million job lost. Now that's a failed policies.

Yes Bush was failure. That is why it amusing that he is the only President that Obama is compared to.

5. You blamed President Obama when gas prices were high, now that they

are lower you must give him credit. Or be a Hippocrates your choice.

OK, but they are still higher than when he came into office.

6. Oil drilling has increase and for the first time in ten years we are at our lowest point of oil imports. LOWEST IN TEN YEARS LESS IMPORTED OIL.

As we are consistently told it takes years for oil wells to come into production (around 10 years), so we will not know what effect the current incumbent has on drilling until 2019 - 2023.

7. Gave tax cuts to working class

By raiding their retirment

8. Had a 4 Trillion Dollar grand bargain until Orange Man walked away because of the tea baggers who had a meeting the same day President Obama was sworn in planning to destroy him at every turn and at all costs. Including the downgrading of Americas credit outlook.

That's your opinion.

9. Kill Bin Ladien

Gave the order to kill Bin Ladien...did not do it personally...although in the movie he probably will. He also gave up the Pakistani that led us to Bin Ladien

10 Ended the Iraq war as promised. Can bush say that? HELL NO HE CAN'T

by following the Bush timeline. He also escalated the Afghanistan war, started a "Kinetic Action" in Libya and expanded drone executions to most of the Middle East.

I can go on and on but it would take all day. Happy Tea Bagger's Day

Me too...so right back at you!

Alan: I recommend you go to youtube.com and type in "G.W. Bush on home ownership". You should find many answers to your question about how Bush policy led to the housing bubble. There is a particular clip I enjoy from 2003 when dubya bragged about reducing or eliminating the paperwork required for poor people to get loans because "the paperwork is just so confusing". He finished up that rant with one of my favorite GW quotes of all time: "Just because you can't afford a down payment or high interest rates, doesn't mean you can't afford just as nice a home as anyone else." Pushing that agenda may have helped create the bubble, you think?

I'll resist the temptation to debate your other nonsense as it seems you have no memory of things that happened less than 10 years ago.

Listening to President Obama comment on Bain Capital caused me to reflect on the following;

Wasn't it President Obama who lead the effort to step in and buy a struggling company, headed for bankruptcy with tax payer money...and after considerable restructuring and job losses (dealership closings, union concessions) turned that business around to where is it now profitable...and may now be able to grow and add jobs...and in the future the tax payers may get their money back (we're still owed tens of billions)...that company is General Motors!

Isn't that pretty much what "Bain Capital" did (and does) except that Bain
does not use tax payer money!

No one likes seeing people lose their jobs...(just talk to those who used to have
jobs at GM Dealerships) but in the case of a dying company something has to be
done in order to make the company a viable business! The number of GM
dealerships had to be cut down...people lost jobs in order to save the jobs of
those in the surviving company...and that was approved by our President!

We live in a global economy...we compete with Toyota (and others) or we disappear!

"I did. But he wasn't as tasty as Pit Bull Pot Pie."

LOL, nice!!! good response, that was good.......

What a Romney presidency would look like:

Day 1 –

Keystone Pipeline = Create some temporary jobs for Canadians and help Big Oil export tar sands to China, because that's the real world – Ya gotta reward your campaign donors, everyone knows that.

Tax cuts and reform = Take over a country in distress, end all entitlements/safety nets and liquidate government assets, add a least 5 trillion to the debt/deficits by cutting taxes for the rich and increasing defense spending, and redistributing wealth to the 1%.

"Repeal and Replace" health care reform = Leave debt-strapped states to deal with skyrocketing health care costs, with every man, woman, and child to fend for his/herself per the Romney Race to the Bottom Social Darwinism Doctrine.

This from David Letterman: Day 2 –

Ann Romney reminds Mitt he lost by a landslide.

Seriously, stop with the baldfaced non-stop lies Mr. Romney. President Obama did not spend like a drunken sailor (growth in spending has been flat and less than Republican administrations), he does not "apologize" and definitely does not "appease" (we're on to the Nazi dog whistle, but ask bin Laden if he is an "appeaser"), he has not raised taxes (he cut middle class taxes in the stimulus and payroll taxes), he is not anti-capitalism (he gave small business breaks) with the Stock Market and Corporate America doing even better now than before the economic meltdown, "Obamacare," which does not go into full effect until 2014 is not the reason companies aren't hiring, and the president is NOT a job killer, and in fact has had 26 months of job growth thanks to the stimulus and assistance to the auto industry.

Stop the LIES, end the Depression Now, Do No Harm -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

Dogma Bites -- Good post, and thank you for making me realize how Romney can't even do those photo ops like Dubya did clearing brush on his ranch. He can't even wipe out on his bike, or shoot a varmint while jogging, heck not even doing some elitist wind sailing. Wow. Looks like he keeps his "girlish figure" by dissing the cookies.

ForePlinger -- EXCELLENT post! (Jodi would say so too.)

I don't see how the figures support your argument. I am using this web site figure 1.2.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

The rate of spending has decreased by 1% by the figures you post, which are exactly the same as the CBO graph I linked to. If you think Obama is a terrible president because spending is still at 24% of GDP, then Ronald Reagan was a terrible president, too. The CBO chart shows that he jacked up spending to more than 23% of GDP.

Thank you True Patriot, I appreciate the vote of confidence.

Somebody tell this Dumbama jerk to look into the mirror. He got nothing to harp about but failure!

no joe, no bo, nj; nice fable, but you got the moral all wrong.

The difference is that the Middle Class is the Ant, doing all of the work, doing what is right, and doing what is expected of them.

The grasshopper represents the wealthiest 1% who do not provide any value or service, but instead live off of the hard work of others.

As a proud and hardworking Ant, I'm sick-and-tired of watching the grasshoppers do no work, yet try to exploit working class.

elliot-3020456

Anyone who points out that Massachusetts was 47th in job creation needs to know the truth behind the number.

From NationalJournal:

...look closer at the actual number of jobs created over that time period, and a decidedly less positive picture emerges. By 2007, the state had created roughly 45,800 new jobs, according to federal data, and that’s during a period the Romney camp spins as a time of economic recovery. Manufacturing employment in Massachusetts declined by more than 14 percent, according to Sum’s research, and the unemployment rate would have been much higher, local economists say, were it not for the droves of young college graduates and residents who left the state to live in lower-cost areas.

...Apart from squabbling over the number of jobs created versus the unemployment rate, Massachusetts-based economists say Romney did not put in place a successful economic development strategy, a task the next president will face on a much grander scale, as the federal government tries to keep and create jobs in the U.S.

“I don’t think he had any noticeable plan for moving the state economy forward,” says David Tuerck, executive director of the Beacon Hill Institute, a research center that leans right. “The state economy recovered due to the strength of our labor force and the fact that we have a strong high-tech sector, venture capital, and teaching hospitals.”

Heading into 2013, the federal government cannot hope the U.S. labor force will just right itself like some sailboat coming out a storm. The recovery of the auto industry required both the investment of capital and time on the part of the federal government, and the $800 billion stimulus, despite what its detractors say, added thousands, if not millions of jobs to the economy.

After the first two years of his term, and losing support in the State Legislator, Romney knew his chances for reelection as governor were poor. So he spent the last two years outside the state pursuing other interests. How would he deal with gridlock in congress, or any other adversity? Would he cut and run?

Kenn the Dem--

It's very interesting that you should compare the GM/Chrysler bailout to what Bain does. Besides the fact that taxpayer money was used, don't forget that it has been paid back--with interest. It also is interesting that Romney wanted to "let Detroit go bankrupt", which probably would have resulted in more lost jobs than the restructuring that actually took place.

Akeem, New Jersey

IR great post. JD I feel sorry for you. Most people want to better themselves and their families.

Think of the employment number 8% (I do not want to hear anything about "real" Unemployment). That means 92% of people ARE working and earning a wage. If they are being underpaid that in itself proves the opposite of what you said. That is a man or woman who is worth more than their wage but continues to work to support themselves and/or anyone dependent on them.

No that is not want it means. We have less people working now in the labor force than when President Obama took office.

There are many reasons for salaries to go up. One is being recognized for your work. Another is job competition. With higher un-employment we do not have to many people that are receiving offers from other companies to leave there present job.

Bethie from Texas

Kenn the Dem--

It's very interesting that you should compare the GM/Chrysler bailout to what Bain does. Besides the fact that taxpayer money was used, don't forget that it has been paid back--with interest. It also is interesting that Romney wanted to "let Detroit go bankrupt", which probably would have resulted in more lost jobs than the restructuring that actually took place.

Bethie from Texas,

Gm has not paid back all the money that was given/loaned to them by our government. We still own stock that is valued below what is needed to break even. There was about 26 billion dollars that we will never get back. Part of the profit is a tax right off that was part of the bailout agreement.

We have kept the jobs, which is a good thing, but we have not made money as tax payers by the GM bailout.

Give Romney the Keys and he will Bankrupt this Nation like "W" did !

Having a corporate background may be more of a liability than an asset considering how corporations are treating people in the last few years of record profits, record layoffs and reduced wages and benefits.

It's a winner take all mentality with only the wealthiest few having exponential gains while everyone else suffers at their expense.

The trio of turds is going to Vegas!!!! Wowoie Zowie!!! Is that supposed to take American's Attention off of who they are and What they Want to do to US?? These guys are CROOKS plain and Simple...Look at the shell game real estate deals "the donald" did Stealing people's down payments and all that's left is a huge sandpit where the homes were "intended" to go. LOOK at TheGangrene with his freddie mac money sucking scheme leaving homeowners with foreclosure and the government to bail out freddie and fannie, look at Rommel; OH MY GOD!!!!! SATAN HIMSELF!! That politico has ONE thing in mind for Americans:Indentured Servitude with $5.00+p/g gas and $7.00p/day pay slaving away while his darling little boy slips into his very chic $180,000 Ferrari which is brought to "His idiot son, like bush with H W, by Daddie's Inhouse Car Elevator in their Malibu Mansion. LISTEN UP Sister and Brother Americans; A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelPolitico/Soldier IS a vote against Yours and Your Family's WellBeing.

I told you that Obama would come out with the most negative campaign in history! He can't defend his record, that would be political suicide! His "Forward" campaign is to make us not go back an revisit his onerous last 4 years.

Romney is the only candidate staying on point. It's the deficit, the economy, and the lack of REAL jobs of the current administration that is the focus. Obama is spending $9.6 billion A DAY, yet can't make a difference! Isn't this the real story.... sure Michelle gets to buy $500 shoes whenever she wants... but what has Barry done for the country???? Really, that's the question... his campaign staff is loaded with venture capitalists yet his only argument is Romney and his past relationship with Bain... all poppycock! The issue is that Obama has not learned much over the last 4 years, and we can't afford another 4 years of ineptitude!

So Prez O was "forced" to cut a deal with the powerful health insurance industry. Does ANYONE KNOW what the ceo of United HealthCare took Home for 2008 Salary? Hold onto your hats: $128,000,000 *C A S H* WHILE, Mind You, their paid policyHolders were denied and DIED. The fact that America HAS NO Universal HealthCare System like the other countries, which take care of their citizens, instead of fattening the wallets of the EVIL Rich and paying for THEIR Unending Wars, IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE... Yeah, A lot of US are mad at Prez O, he let the $4.00+Gas and oil go by without a nod. AND that shaking hands with karzai of afghan after what he said????? "thanks sucker taxpayers..." NONEtheless has anybody got an idea what republicanCrimeCartelSoldierRommel will do to US and ANY economic progress made?? He will GUT US LIKE A FLAPPIN' FISH ON THE DOCK.....You're gonna' see Unemployment up to 30% and NO Social Security..Gotta Pay for New Wars And NO MEDICAL CARE
AND "healthcare" policies cost SKYROCKET out of control. Don't fall for the republicanCrimeCartelPropaganda and just say NO!!! to MittTaxPittanceRommel.

Here's the rundown on Mitt Romney's devastating record as CEO of Bain Capital, a tenure marked by bankruptcies, bailouts, and mass layoffs — all while Romney and his partners raked in Billions of Dollars in profits for the firm and Romney himself amassed a Quarter-Billion Dollar Fortune.
Romney's Bain Capital Caused Mass Layoffs, Sent Jobs Overseas
Thousands of Americans were laid off by Bain Capital at companies it purchased, managed, and, at least a quarter of the time, drove into bankruptcy, ruining Lives, Destroying Careers and Families including Many Many Suicides While stuffing his pockets, Keeping his Darling son OUT of service to his country with the line "My son is Fulfilling his Patriotic Duty by helping me get elected"...Got that one?? and, Of Course, installing the InHouse car elevator for his "darling little boy's $180,000Ferrari....Listen Up People...This guy IS Count Dracula In carnate

Of course Obama continues to attack Romney by trying to portray his successful tenure at Bain into something that was anti-worker when the reality was that for every company that ended up being liquidated, four companies and all their jobs were saved.
Obama embarks on this strategy of distortions and outright lies because he desperately wants to avoid the debate from shifting onto his record of incompetence and failure.

Finally, I noted with interest at the end of this article that claims the Wisconsin governor has a huge spending advantage over his democrat rival in the recall election. This would seem to be true until you add in the 15 million in union spending that this list conveniently omitted.

The RWNJs always come in on the tail-end trying to sneak past with the usual hate and lies. <snore>

Obama/Biden - 2012!

I really dont understand to those "Fux News" republican tards,blindly supporting these corporate 1% economic gains,even against their own interest.When they're still harboring and believing in them,Even to the extends,when these 1% folks using the hatred platform of "Religion,Race",helping to achieves their only true goal "Money".

Beneath their lies,when they dont really cares about to those stupid Retard'&'Poor' supporters lives,with their plight,as theirs,will definately be ignored after election completed.

Here, let me explain the lesson of economic 101 to be learn,
Scotus said " Corporation is Human",the Idea is to screw-up the Middle-Class.

In general, public debt is needed to store the private sector's financial wealth. If the public sector holds net debt, it also means that the *financial* wealth of the private sector is positive. In other words, you can't have the public and private sector with net savings simultaneously. That is arithmetically impossible.

Most of these public funds come from the 401K,SS ,etc are being invested in Government Bond Securities,Since with no regulations, these Securities are invested in private sector's financial wealth.

If the Market fails,the Public fails,but these people still with generous big pay & bonuses,while the public has to suffers twice ,as it has another obligation to bailout these fails venture,If not the country down the drain.

Simple as that, when ,we win,we win, you still remain same as plan, when we lose ,you lose and you lose again.

Wet Willy posted:

"Obama embarks on this strategy of distortions and outright lies because he desperately wants to avoid the debate from shifting onto his record of incompetence and failure."

This is too funny. He failed when? Under his administration over 4.2 million jobs were created, people can now get medical insurance even if they have a pre-existing condition, the auto industry has paid back the money given to them by the government and are making hefty profits to boot. Where is the failure? Oh, you must mean the jobs act that the duh repubnuts blocked. If a bridge collapses when you are driving across it, Wet Willy, you will not only be wet, but dead!! Repubnuts.. sorry excuse for human beings. SMH

OBAMA/BIDEN 2011!!! ROMPEY for DOG CATCHER 2012!!!

Oooooh, the usual gang of Liberals are pretty strong on this vine....must be the Obama Bucks are running out.

Here is how the Liberals argue and is similar to their comments on this thread:

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGwtG8nVpUU&feature=related
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wc-I_j68Ws&feature=related

Loren 1.101

I see you've blindly bought in to Obama's "creative" pronouncements about his wonderful performance in office. People such as yourself only hear what you want to hear, and if some snake oil salesman comes along and provides you with that smoke and mirrors comfort rhetoric, you're happy in your delusions.

However, be warned... reality is just around the corner.

Chris, Dorr, MI

Happy Friday! pass the kool-aid :)

hope all have a safe and great holiday weekend!

Okay, Chris here it is:

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1108/keep-drinking-the-kool-aid-obama-liberals-demecrats-koolaid-politics-1314709326.jpg

Will I see you at the Dew Drop Inn?

Have a Happy Memorial Day Weekend

Obama/Biden 2012

Tossing out "cow pies?" Could Obama get less presidential? Talk about one of the all time lame comments from a president, how embarrassing. If Obama had a record to run on, he would.

Actually, President Obama has a GREAT record and the facts back this up.You however are just another low information republican that doesn't know anything, especially facts! Have another slice of the republican, "cow pie of distortion.”

Too bad Rick, you call'em like you see'em. Thats what they call straight talk even you can understand, you just don't like it, to bad.

job1 -- can you point me to a campaign commercial for obama that is positive and discusses his "GREAT" record? i have yet to see one.

I have seen two in my area. You can go on the internet to find them.

Here is a good summary:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/obama-campaign-ads_n_1538845.html

that was great Bev...Thanks!

hope you have a great holiday weekend as well!

thanks job. i was thinking more about him talking about his accomplishments though it is good to seem him give credit to veterans for the work they do for all of us.

O-B-A-M-A: Overly Boastful About Minor Accomplishments. no BO 2012

Food for thought.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/forget-bain-obamas-public-equity-record-is-the-real-scandal/2012/05/24/gJQAXnXCnU_story.html

DUANE - what a sad little man you are. Is that the best you could do?

R-O-M-N-E-Y - Rabid Obnoxious Moron Needs Ego stroked daily and just plain Yucky!

Obama/Biden 2012

He has nothing to talk about but himself.

Romney likes to point out that President Obama has only been a Community organizer and Politician. Lies!

Which begs the question...

What kind of job has Romney had since 1999 when he left Bain Capital.

You guessed it. None.

Mr. Romney has been unemployed for 12 years living in luxury while Barack Obama was working his a$$ off in Chicago for the poor and downtrodden who had no voice.

Someone needs to remind Mr. Romney that Jesus Christ was a Community Organizer and there is some scripture about "rich men getting into heaven being kinda difficult"!!!!

Mr. Romney is not qualified to run this country because he is businessman who has not even done that for many years and in the 21st century that resume is just not good enough.

Obama/Biden 2012

James: It seems to me that it is Mitt Romney who has not given any specifics about his history or policy. He refuses to discuss either. He is the one distorting facts about others. He is going to get creamed in the debates. Mitt Romney has already peaked. This should be fun from here on out.

Sheila,MD ....Geez for supposedly being a "doc" or at least displaying the moniker of one, you sure seem to have a case of selective amnesia.

Romney also successfully ran the Winter Olympics some years back.

Eighty percent of the failing companies were saved by Bain Capital, and twenty percent were not saved. Looks like a damn good job batting .800 . That's Hall of Fame numbers, even considering all were in trouble when Bain came in.. .

DUANE-552524

O-B-A-M-A: Overly Boastful About Minor Accomplishments. no BO 2012

Remember that time that President Obama put up a huge banner to mark his accomplishments and even landed a jet on an aircraft carrier to celebrate?

Oh, that's right...that was the guy with the degree from Business School. Instead President Obama just went on tv and announced to the world that the #1 terrorist in the world had been killed by American servicemen.

After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)

ROMNEY IS BECOMING GOD! DAY ONE!!!

If the RePub A Cons get back in they will destroy this Country !

Patrioticamerican, did you see the video of GM talking to a Chinese audience? He told them that seventy percent of GM's production is outside the USA. GM is basically a partner with SIAC, a communist government owned company. Now doesn't that make the cockles on your neck rise when GM still is in hock to the american taxpayer for around fifty billion. Obama's stimulus to GM was just a Chinese stimulus plan. But the UAW was happy, and liberals are too.

This looks like an appropriate place in the NewsVine commentary, for me to repost what I had sent to "Bob," of whom claimed that Romney's record of career accomplishments and academic background was superior to President Obama's record of accomplishments.

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"Bob,"

Do you really want to compare ex-Governor Romney to President Obama?

Alright then. You've listed what you believe are Romney's achievements. Just to be fair, what are President Obama's achievements thus far, after he assumed power in the Executive, by winning a majority vote?

Mind you, this occurred long after Obama was teaching as a Professor of Constitutional Law in the University of Chicago Law School, as well as President of the Harvard Law Review, a difficult and impressive accomplishment, as he was the first black man to hold that office.

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Excerpts:

Florida Professor Robert P. Watson who teaches American Studies at Lynn University has compiled a list of 244 accomplishments by President Obama since he took office despite fanatical Republican opposition aimed at wrecking his presidency.

Prof. Watson, whose specialty is presidential history, began preparing his list back in Nov. 2009 to counter the lies and disinformation spread by the corporate media and the Republican right.

"The misinformation and venom that passes for political reporting and civic debate is beyond description," Dr. Watson wrote. "There is a need to set the record straight." His list then contained 90 plus achievements which he has now updated to 244.

He praised Obama for pushing through measures vital to the national interest not through a "heavy-handed or top down approach" but through efforts to "reach across the aisle, encourage vigorous debate, and utilize town halls and panels of experts in the policy-making process."

On the list (a few have been added by this reporter):

Overhauled the food safety system;

Approved the Lily Ledbetter "Equal Pay" for women rule;

Ended "Don't Ask/Don't Tell" discrimination in the military;

Passed the Hate Crimes bill in Congress;

Appointed two progressive women to the U.S. Supreme Court including the first Latina;

Pushed through the Affordable Health Care Act, outlawing denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, extending until age 26 health care coverage of children under parent's plans, steps toward "Medicare for All;"

Expanded the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) health care for children;

Pushed through a $789 economic stimulus bill that saved or created 3 million jobs and began task of repairing the nation's infrastructure;

Overhauled the credit card industry, making it more consumer friendly;

Established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and used a recess appointment to keep it on track in the face of GOP attempts to derail it;

Also outmaneuvered GOP in naming two members of the National Labor Relations Board blocked by the Republicans in their attempt to shut down the NLRB;

Won two extensions of the debt ceiling and extensions of unemployment compensation in the face of Republican threats to shut down the U.S. government;

Pulled troops out of Iraq and began draw down of troops in Afghanistan.

Since he prepared the list, it has been posted and reposted on the Internet hundreds of times with scores of bloggers commenting on it and adding to the list.

Writing in Washington Monthly's Political Animal column, blogger Steve Benen, points out that many of Obama's achievements have been won through painful concessions he was forced to make with intransigent Republican obstructionists on Capitol Hill.

The tendency has been to focus on his concessions while ignoring what he won in return. Benen cites the lame duck session of Congress in December 2010 following the disastrous elections a month earlier in which the Democrats lost majority control of the House.

There were predictions that nothing would be achieved in that lame duck, Benen said. "But for all the grief he's gotten over this, its worth keeping in mind that Obama got a helluva lot.... In the end, he got a Food Safety bill, passage of the START Treaty, a stimulus package, repeal of 'don't ask/don't tell' and a First Responder bill" that provided health coverage for firefighters, police officers and other workers injured during the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attack. Incredibly, the Republicans tried to block it.

Obama was forced to make the same concession just before Christmas, yielding on his repeated demands for termination of a trillion in tax cuts for the rich in order to win approval of an increase in the debt ceiling and extension of jobless benefits for five million unemployed workers.

Yielding on tax cuts for the rich hurt those fighting for tax justice. But there is little doubt that those hard pressed, if not desperate unemployed workers, viewed this as an "accomplishment" and Obama deserves full credit.

Under a headline, "Who is Washington's Most Effective Politician?" Benen scoffs at those who pick Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R-KY). McConnell's job was "easy," Benen writes. He twisted Senate rules to make himself "Obstructionist in Chief." No, he says, Obama is the most skillful, "perhaps the most effective politician since LBJ" for winning that long list of victories in the face of unprecedented obstruction, lies, and misinformation.

Plenty of voters are now preparing lists for themselves of Obama's accomplishments as they work to insure he wins a second term next Nov. 6.

http://www.peoplesworld.org/professor-lists-obama-accomplishments-over-244-and-growing/

Then why the hell has he divided this nation like no other president, and revels in it.

Bozobama has been a sad demlib joke on the country, still the least qualified person in ANY room in which he walks. The people know he's a joke, has done nothing but tear down this country, make rough situations worse, and that he'll be gone after being beaten badly in November. And his trying to buy the homosexual vote with this latest stunt just shows how desparate he is.

Who has squandered more money than all of the former presidents combined?

In 2008 it was 'Hope & Change' ever since it has been 'Debt & Blame'..

Mitt the flip flopper will ship all our jobs overseas for his Mega Rich Buddies !

Who raised the $15 million at one fundraiser in Los Angeles? Seems like your friend Obama has the support of the mega rich!!

Have you noticed lately who has been doing the flip flop or do you have selective hearing?

All the jobs are going overseas due to all the free trade agreements we have that have been approved by Democratic Congress over the years.

FYI: I am a Democrat but vote for the person not the party.

I agree with Steeler Fan

Good GRIEF! Worst journalism ever. You want to know what an "attack" is? Claiming your opponent wasn't born in the United States, and forcing Hawaii to produce the actual birth certificate.

What my opponent didn't tell you was that federal spending since I took office has risen at the slowest pace of any president in almost 60 years.

The so called liberal media calls this an "attack?" I call it a clarification of the facts.

What was Obama's resume for the job of president again? Oh yeah, he was community organizer and voted present in the senate for a couple years. But to actually get elected all Obama had to do was have a catchy campaign slogan and the ability to read a speech. Neither of which worked out for the country. If Obama had a record to run on, he would.

Amy B. Portland, ME & Steeler Fan-380417

I agree with both of you. Nothing makes me prouder than to know our President is stand tall at the helm of our governmrnt for our doesmitic and foreign needs. Unlike the cowardly Willard the "Myth" Romney our President does not not scurry from the media like Willard the rat.

Rick---your memory is so short. You forget that President Obama worked as a practicing attorney and law professor at a presitious law school from 1992-2004. You've forgotten that it has been explained that voting "present" is a procedural peculiarity of the Illinois state government. You forgot that he has written two best-selling books.

Funny thing about President Obama's record to run on---his successes have been in the areas where he can act without the Republican obstructionism we have seen. And let's not forget two parts of his records: Osama bin Laden is dead and GM is alive.

Rick, life is a bitch for you, to bad. Pour yourself another bowl of cereal to cry in.

He may not have come and started soon enough steeler fan. Its a shame many Americans thing some of the MOST false accusations against him is true. Very sad to hear.

Steeler Fan-

I agree, the entire Republican party has been campaigning against Obama since even before the inauguration!

Rick-

you obviously believe the Republican mantra that if you keep repeating a lie often enough it will become the truth. Obama is running on his record, and he has many accomplishments to promote. He is also politically savvy enough to not let Romney get away with his lies and distortions.

Romney is the one who is not runnng on his "record", his record of flip/flops for political expediency. Romney rarely mentions his time in the leadership of the Mormon church or his four years as a moderate Governor of Massachusetts.

Good point on the besting selling books. Especially the parts where Obama talks about his drug use, which seems to have had a lasting affect. Obama seems confused on which branch of government has failed to do their job, the House or the Senate. Funny Obama would bring up cow pies, maybe it reminds him of those days in the pastures looking for some shrooms. A catchy campaign slogan and the ability to read a speech was all Obama needed to get elected, and liberals question his opponent. Too funny.

Poor Rick,

Actually, President Obama has a GREAT record and the facts back this up.You however are just another low information republican that doesn't know anything, especially facts!

Education my friend.

Yup, 6 trillion added to our national debt, a massive new healthcare entitlement, unemployment never under 8%, and an anemic economy. Where is the marching band and the confetti for President Obama? It would appear liberals have a pretty low standard for success.

Here is a little fact for you posted by Thermen Merman

"Perhaps we should look at the ACTUAL spending by presidents before we accuse one of being a big spender.

President — average percentage spending increase per year"

Johnson 6.3

G.W. Bush 5.9

Kennedy 4.7

Carter 4.2

Nixon 3.0

Reagan 2.7

H. W. Bush 1.8

Clinton 1.5

Obama -0.1

Eisenhower -0.5

Source is the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

Rick-

And it would appear you conservatives have a pretty low threshold for qualifying to be a presidential candidate. Bachman, Cain, Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul and Romney?

No wonder you are all so bitter!

Rick, where do you think that 6 trillion magically came from?? Much of it is from the Bush tax cuts--which, yes, Obama extended at the beginning of his presidency when we were in the deepest part of the recession. However, he tried to let them expire a year and a half ago--remember? And who kept them from responsibly expiring? Republicans in Congress, who were holding unemployment benefits hostage. We are indeed spending too much, especially given the fact that we are taking in historically low revenues.

Hey Rick, what's your view on teachers-are they part of the economy or just parasites? They're not job creators are they? Did you get past the fifth grade? I suspect you didn't get to science or evolution. Its pathetic and sad people like you that are causing the problems in the US. Try working with folks and not being such an angry hater.

So Bethie from Texas like most liberals you also struggle with math. Well tell me if you would please, how many years would it take for a 100 billion annual tax cut to add up to 6 trillion? What will be your next excuse when the Bush tax cuts that Obama extended for the past two years go away but the deficit doesn't?

Bethie

The Recession ENDED in June 2009. The Tax Cuts were extended Dec. 2010.

So the President decided to benefit a few million unemployed at the expense of the 300 million in the Country? Is that what you're saying with this statement?

However, he tried to let them expire a year and a half ago--remember? And who kept them from responsibly expiring? Republicans in Congress, who were holding unemployment benefits hostage.

Here is a Spreadsheet from the White House web page showing the income and expenditures for the years of 1789-2017.

Lets look at some numbers.

Revenue in 2008 was 2,523,991,000.

Revenue for 2011 was 2,303,466,000.

Revenue for 2012(estimated) is 2,468,599,000.

Notice that 2011 is about $220,500,000 less then 2008 but we SPENT $900 Billion more in 2011 then we did in 2008? WHY?

Notice 2012. We will have about $60,000,000 less revenue than 2008 but we will have spent about $400,000,000 more. Again WHY?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

Click on Table 1.1,you'll need Excel to read the Spreadsheet.

Job1

Here is a little fact for you posted by Thermen Merman

First off Thermen is one of the most biased liberals to post a lie on this site. Second, even though Obama has spent a smaller percentage than the other presidents he has spent as much in his less than four years as Bush did in eight.

The liberal left is great at massaging the numbers to make themselves look good but the pity of it is that you homers buy into it.

AND IT WAS BILL CLINTON AND HIS CRONIES THAT GOT US INTO THIS MESS YOU CAN DENY AND LIE ALL YOU WANT. Nothing will change that fact.

I am very liberal, although for voting, I consider myself an Independent - although I have voted for Democrats with the exception of Perot in 1992 (1st election that I could legally vote) BUT we could come up with faults for both these men.... I lived in Illinois when Obama was being groomed - it has never come up during election time, but his record in Illinois was shady at best - on key votes, where one would have to take a firm stance - he either abstained, or just wasn't present - that way, no one really knew what he stood for - Mitt, he will be run by the large corporations, we know that....

It is more productive if we look at the candidates, rather than slam someone for a party they may belong too.

Rick (and others who may not be Democrats or "liberals") have had some good points, Republican or not... we all want the same thing, debt reduction, more jobs, better infrastructure and schools, ending the wars - and that is the very, very short list....but we never get anywhere because of bickering. I don't know 100% if Rick is a Republican, but if he is, and he has good points, why would I brush those aside (as a liberal) - We The People need to work together better and stop pointing fingers to the past or to a party that was legally elected (no, I don't think the "hanging chad" election was legal)...what can we come up with together, instead of dividing ourselves into camps that will work for no one?

Where President Obama was born.

Since it was mentioned again, actually by a Democratic poster. How do you explain why a brochure was produced clearly stating that President Obama was born in Kenya? Never denied or corrected by President Obama? And you are wondering why there would be some doubt about where he was born? Personally I really do not care since he is already President.

Second, How can he claim credit for the stimulus without taking blame for the money spent? I want to walk on both sides of the fence to. But at some point you have to choose a side.

Third, Why are we spending so much time talking about Bain Capital without talking about the companies that are successful that they invested in?

Fourth, honestly, I do not think either one has a clue what the "common man/woman" feels or thinks.

Fifth, we all want a better country? How is it going to be better by giving the government run by either party more money in taxes?

Sixth, when are we going to clarify, or define at what point a helping hand turns into a hand out?

Seventh, When did money become the only defining factor in being successful?

I was raised to be independent. To make my own decisions, to learn by failure as much as by success. Without a cloudy day, how can you truly enjoy the sunny ones? How can our government try to make every day partly cloudy for everyone and call that a success?

Black Kettle and Sand Creek,

I for one would be happy to stand with you in trying to work things out. The sad reality as large of a difference people try to make things on these posts, both parties do some pretty dumb things.

My biggest disappointment with President Obama is other than changing who the companies are that get money. We are still giving the store away for no reason. There has been little if any transparency to the voting public in what is going on. Instead of Hope I worry more about the future each day, not less. No matter what the percentage of spending is, the truth is our deficit is still going up. We want freedom, well how free will we be when the country we have loaned the money from comes knocking on the door?

subnormal,

[No matter what the percentage of spending is, the truth is our deficit is still going up]

Actually our debt is going up not the deficit.

[We want freedom, well how free will we be when the country we have loaned the money from comes knocking on the door?]

The largest foreign National debt holder is China – they hold 12%. Our unions hold more of the National debt than China and even more than our insurance companies.

subnormal - when you start your post talking about Obama being born in Kenya it proves that you name is true - subnormal.

Absolutely no sanity to be found in the GOP!

That is not what he said SeekingSanity, but attempted distortions from you are nothing new. He said there is a brochure printed up, actually I think it was done many years ago, claiming Obama was born in Kenya. The brochure was not printed up by Republicans, but by some former publicists.

Since you like to ignore reality, I will see if I can find you a link. Even the, you will deny it exists.

Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was born in Kenya. Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., our President, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii which, at the time , was and is part of the United States of America.

I hope that clears it up for ya.

jim-1455434

That is not what he said SeekingSanity, but attempted distortions from you are nothing new. He said there is a brochure printed up, actually I think it was done many years ago, claiming Obama was born in Kenya

President Obama is an American-born citizen. The authenticity of his short-form birth certificate was verified by the State of Hawaii as well as by FactCheck.org.

Breitbart bloggers claim the President was trying to "manipulate his public persona" by citing an "errant" 1991 literary booklet describing him as being born in Kenya. While senior management of the website state that they know the President was born in Hawaii, they blame the media for refusing to examine his "carefully crafted persona." The birther website WND is now trying to use Breitbart.com's story as "proof" of their now well-debunked myth that President Obama was not born in the United States.

• The literary agent who put together the 1991 pamphlet in question noted that, "there was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii." The mistake in the pamphlet was the result of "nothing more than a fact checking error" by the agent.

• Despite the Breitbart bloggers' claim that the booklet was an attempt to manipulate some carefully crafted persona, numerous news outlets had already reported the President as Hawaiian-born. A year before the pamphlet's release in 1991, a New York Times article on Barack Obama's election to head the Harvard Law Review reported correctly, "Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii."

  Breitbart bloggers make names for themselves by launching outlandish and highly-ridiculed attacks on political figures. One of the site's editors said that the President was"our first ideological Muslim President" and called him an "anti-semitic son of a bitch." Recently, the site even tried to claim that the President was a radical simply because he hugged one of his professors.

  This latest claim is just one more in the sites' series of manufactured attacks.

  
  

  http://www.attackwatch.com/latest-attack-about-the-presidents-birthplace-ignores-the-facts-on-record/
  

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  Sounds just like FOX NOISE where they sit around and make sh!t up; doesn't it Jim?

If Brightbart or Big is on a website it should just be ignored. James O'Keefe and the other clowns involved need to be ignored and any sensationalism they try to create should be met with HO HUM!

To Rick and others--don't forget that Bush never put the cost of his wars on the "books". Obama did. The cost of these wars has been astronomical. And the tab keeps going up. One of my disappointments in Obama is that he extended the war in Afghanistan, adding 30,000 troops and spending even more money.

Obama had to extend the unemployment benefits in the time of recession--those people's needs don't magically disappear. Are you implying that you'd have been happy with Obama sacrificing their benefits while your taxes went up? You guys always want to be fiscally responsible but never want to pay for the necessary costs of government. Why is it OK to pay for wars that kill people but not for social programs that SAVE people? Who can tally the untold value of their lives? Their contributions to our country?

You can put the "liberal" label on me if it makes you happy. I consider myself a "left-leaning independent", having voted for both Republican and Democratic presidents. I'd rather be labeled liberal than conservative; I'd much rather be thought of as progressive than regressive.

SeekingSanity

subnormal - when you start your post talking about Obama being born in Kenya it proves that you name is true - subnormal.

Absolutely no sanity to be found in the GOP!

SeekingSanity,

Did you read my post?

You always comment on my name and it is pretty much the same comment.

I asked why at the time that this brochure was produced and used to promote our present president, why it was not corrected at the time?

It clearly stated that he was born in Kenya.

I did not bring it up another poster brought up or asked a question why Hawaii had to produce a birth certificate. I think that it was a good question when other information was being provided and was not disputed at the time.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

subnormal,

[No matter what the percentage of spending is, the truth is our deficit is still going up]

Actually our debt is going up not the deficit.

[We want freedom, well how free will we be when the country we have loaned the money from comes knocking on the door?]

The largest foreign National debt holder is China – they hold 12%. Our unions hold more of the National debt than China and even more than our insurance companies.

You are right I meant debt not yearly deficit spending.

They only hold 12%, well if you find that comforting that is okay, I personally do not.

So at what point are you going to start worrying about our national debt?

I would say Romney has a bad dose of gas pains from his 1% buddies he supports. Nice that the Mega Rich can Blackmail this Nation thru the GOP Tea NutBaggers !

Tzalaran

You may want to keep in mind that there are a lot of disillusioned Obama supporters.

@Rick - you are right.... I supported Obama because he was not Bush...that was the reason, I didn't like his record in Illinois & he promised to end the wars...so, what am I today, disillusioned.... do I see a light at the end of the tunnel in Mitt? Absolutely not... I have NEVER missed a Presidential election, I won't miss this one, but I may just write in a name because I can't decide which of the two (Mitt or Obama) will be worse.

Black Kettle - I believe you'll see a high turnout for this election - which favors Obama. The lowest turnout will be in conservative states where voters will have a hard time pulling a lever for Romney. He's just not going to fit their narrow little groove and he's a Mormon. They'll stay home instead of voting for him.

@SeekingSanity - I believe you are correct, I don't think Mitt can win (which is fine with me) but I would like to see campaign promises upheld, I would like it if we stopped bombing countries all over the world with drones, I would like the Supreme Court to strike down the new laws that go against our Constitution (like assassinating Americans on American soil without due process or trial), scale back the Patriot Act (so as to not infringe on personal freedoms, such as email snooping (but the 2 billion sq. foot complex to store every Americans telephone, email, cell, and text, etc on super computers is almost complete), stop the division of people in the country and start making it fair for everyone - I don't foresee anything that I would like to happen - or that was promised to happen, to actually happen.

We cannot forget that the US is part of the WORLD, and as the EU struggles, things will also get worse here. Bickering is not going to get anyone anywhere.... we need accountability for those we elect.... if they don't do what they said they were going too - which is why they were elected - then we should be able to have a special vote and get them out...senators, representatives, etc. may actually do their job then.

Seeking Sanity

Hillary Clinton should run this election.

I would rather have her than President Obama or Mitt right now.

President Obama has flip flopped on many key issues. Maybe not as much as Mitt has but he still has done it.

subnormal - Hillary has no interest in running this year. President Obama has done a good job and will do better the next 4 years. We'll hopefully help him by voting out a large number of Republicans from Congress!

“corporations are people, my friend”

Well, if this is true, the next time there is a war the corporations can go fight it. Next time there is an earth quake, hurricane, or flood leave the military reservists at home and let the corporations patrol the streets to keep civility and sift the rubble for survivors. Let the corporations man the field hospitals and emergency relief efforts and supply chains. During the next geopolitical crisis have the corporations man the peace keeping forces to defend and protect innocents and fight the forces creating turmoil. With the terrorist threats against our public venues let the corporations stand armed vigil around the perimeters, check points, and entrances. How many of these corporate "citizens" are American and how many are foreign? Until such a time that this happens these "citizens" are not fulfilling their national defense or civic protection duties nor may they be qualified to serve.

seeking sanity,

You feel that President Bush was a terrible President. How can you defend President Obama when he has continued so many of the same policies?

I stated that I would vote for Hillary before I could or would vote for President Obama.

Why do we need to keep on increasing spending when our revenues are flat?

Why as a ant do I want to continue to support the grasshopper?

Why would I want to support a President that fights for the grasshopper?

Yeah the debates will be memorable. Maybe Obama will toss out some more cow pies and follow them up with a gaga goo goo. Yet the Obama supporters say he is the smartest president ever? Pretty sad when the best a president can come up with is cow pies. Obama will need to demand teleprompters during the debates if he is to come off presidential.

Rick, he is being polite by using the term "cow pie" but if you prefer I have no issue with him using "full of sh*&" to describe Romney. Really still on the teleprompters how lame is that all you have.

Rick -

We could always go back to the wisdom of GW Bush.

There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." -Republican President George W. Bush.

"You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." — George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." — George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

"They misunderestimated me." — George W. Bush, Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" — George W. Bush, Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them.

Just a little humour on a Friday!

Tis the Season, really still blaming Bush, how lame is that all you have? So typical of the do as I say not as I do liberal mentality. Only liberals can throw stones and live in glass houses. Or maybe now you should follow the Obama lead and start throwing cow pies.

Rick

Let them flap there gums. They have nothing. Obama has no record of any accomplishments and can only read a teleprompter. He is as effective as a fart in a hurricane. Same as his followers here. No clue as to anything real. Just made up "facts" and spin.

Rick, were did I say anything about Bush, feeling guilty are we. I think you need a teleprompter or just better reading skills. As for throwing cow pies thats your Romney not Obama. Obama has not dodged one issue yet brought up by cow pie Romney in fact he is throwing Romney cow pies back at him. So now your going to whine thats unfair, sorry little boy thats politics live with it.

rukidding47, that right just ignore the left and Obama we have nothing, so you have no need to respond to us libbys or even comment on that low life Obama, please just ignore him. Yes anything we say are just made up "facts and spin". Yet you just can't seem to help yourself and respond why is that I wonder. Well ABO and you got him.

Rick -

Uh, I don't see where I was BLAMING Bush for anything. Like I said, I was just trying to add some humour into the proceedings.

Rick & rukidding - Don't you ever get tired of being so negative? How about a positive post about why you support Romney, his qualifications, and why he will be good for the country.

See if you can do it without insulting President Obama or explaining Romney's positions as "not what Obama did".

Rick, so if Romney uses teleprompters (which he does), does that make him a dumb speaker too? Can't have it both ways.

It's such weak criticism of any candidate anyway. I care much more about the content of the speech and the passion behind it than the use of a machine to aid in the delivery of it. Should we toss out Power Point slide shows? Microphones?

Passion and content--Romney is weak in both of these areas compared to President Obama.

Hey Rick, you still whining about the cow pie statement? "This ain't beanbags you know."

Rick - get a clue. All Presidents in modern history have used teleprompters - including Regan. That stupidity makes you look - well - stupid!

President Obama will wipe the floor with Romney in the debates. Romney isn't that smart or quick. He'll flounder as usual.

SeekingSanity, thank you for clarifying when modern history began. Since the teleprompter was invented in 1982, modern history obviously in your mind began that same year. Which is sort of a surprise that a liberal would admit that any history predates the Bush terms.

Although historians suggest modern history began in in the middle ages, after the French Revolution to the Industrial Revolution in the late 18th century. SeekingSanity, that stupidity makes you look - well - stupid! For future reference if you had said all presidents in Contemporary history used teleprompters, you would have been correct.

As for the debates, with Obama not able to run on his record and now resorting to throwing cow pies, there is no doubt Romney should be shaking in his boots. Honestly you liberals are just too funny even if nothing you ever have to offer has to make sense. Which is the genius of liberalism, no one can even espouse what it means. Just make it up as you go along and stand for nothing. So congratulations SeekingSanity, you do it very well.

Rick, how will Romney attack Obama on healthcare, since Obamacare is modeled on Romneycare?

How will he attack Obama on federal spending, when he took thousands of dollars in federal funds to have the Olympics?

How will Romney best Obama on foreign policy, when he has no experience with this and will not give a clue about his policies except to hint that he'd attack Iran?

How will Romney debate Obama on social issues when he's on the wrong side of equal rights for all? (compare their stances on gay marriage, affirmative action, etc.)

How can Romney talk about creating jobs when his record at MA and Bain show that he was not successful at this? The goal of venture capitalists is not to create jobs; it's to create wealth for the investors, not the workers. This very issue cost him his run for the Senate. Plus, he has said some pretty negative things about lowly laborers--"I like being able to fire people" and "Let Detroit go bankrupt" (he wrote an entire editorial about that--it's not just an isolated statement).

In some ways, Romney reminds me of McCain--out of touch with average voters. Unfortunately for Romney, he doesn't have McCain's compelling life story of sacrifice for his country.

What ever we do, don't make another mistake like we did with "W", its going to take years to mop up his mess !

Gas prices are going down, due mostly to the dire economic news in Europe and China, which reduces demand. I do love how everything is the President's fault, where somehow lower gas prices are a bad thing.

I think Republicans are fuming that their dire $6 predictions didn't happen again this year. They do so love bad news.

Clotho,

No lower gas prices are a good thing. The reason they are going down is the bad thing. A slower world economy is not going to help anyone.

Actually it was the news channels reporting the dire predictions.

I guess the Republicans were wrong in thinking that there would be increased demand due to the predictions the economy would be picking up.

Gas prices are dropping. Watch out for desperate SPIN.

"HOUSTON — As the Memorial Day weekend and the summer driving season approach, gasoline prices are easing. But most drivers will find prices only modestly lower than a year ago.

Nationwide, the price of a gallon of regular gasoline has been drifting lower by about half a cent a day over the last month, and energy analysts say that trend should continue over the next few weeks, in at least some states.

"Drivers are getting a respite," said Rodney L. Waller, a senior vice president at Range Resources, an oil and gas company based in Fort Worth. "But it's a tenuous respite based on all the changes in the global oil market and the opening and closings of refineries across the U.S."

Gasoline prices are dropping primarily because of a decline in global crude oil prices, stemming from an easing of tensions in the Middle East and growing oil supplies, bolstered in recent months by the rapid return of Libyan oil exports and increased production from Saudi Arabia. Because oil is priced in dollars, the firming value of the dollar in recent weeks in the wake of the European financial crisis has also helped reduce prices."

Today - NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/business/energy-environment/summer-gas-prices-expected-to-be-modestly-lower.html?_r=1&wpisrc=nl_wonk

Is this what your 'thuggery' sounds like?

Because we heard nothing of the sort from Barack Obama, before, during or after the 2008 election.

Maybe try a different fact, or news, source.

Backhouse

Gas prices are dropping. Watch out for desperate SPIN.

Nobody actually has to spin anything. All Obama opponents have to do is go back to where all the liberals were saying the President has no control over gasoline prices back when they were going up.

Backhouse

Gas prices are dropping. Watch out for desperate SPIN.

It was Obama's fault when gas prices went up, but he doesn't get any credit when they go down. Heads, Mittens wins. Tails Obama loses. Of course, Obama deserves neither blame nor credit for the ups and downs of the speculation-riddled global petroleum markets that are beyond his control.

Oil is a global commodity. Oil speculators play games, politicians point fingers, spinners spin.

Gas prices rise and fall in tandem, regardless of size of country, or how much oil it produces.

No Adminstration, President, or Prime Minister or can set those prices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/opinion/sunday/obama-sets-gas-prices-just-another-gop-myth.html?_r=2

(Chart showing oil prices move in tandem)

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wow....the two best single posts in years by this group!

Finally two liberal comments that actually make sense.

Rick - yet no Republican has made any posts that make sense! Well, we don't expect much from you guys - we've seen it all before!

as opposed to RETHUG comments that have no substance whatsoever...

The best part is that they got check marks for their post!!! It's how Liberals vote......

seeking sanity,

Really, no sense what so ever?

Let me ask you a question then.

What do you really think is going to happen if President Obama gets re-elected and the democrats control both the house and the senate?

Who are you going to blame for failure then?

RedDev,

Thanks for the link about how the middle class has brought hook , line and sinker the the fake policies of the retail marketers. It does explain a lot about the lack of savvy shoppers and voters.

AP has reported that companies of the S%P companies rose 16% last year "remarkable in an economy that grew more slowly than expected."

At the same time "the median pay for US workers was about $39,000. last year. That was up !% from the year before.

The GOP answer is to give another tax break to big business and the US worker will get that "new sale price " when it trickles down in their wages.

Thanks Northstar. Just look at this idiot post from below:

Of course the goal for any company is to make money... especially in these tough economic times. So many places have to look short term till business picks up, till the economy starts to grow, otherwise they go under and EVERYBODY loses their job.

Corporations, in the last two years, have made the highest profits ever in recorded history. CEO's have made this highest salaries in the last two years ever. Business has over $2Trillion cash on hand, this highest ever in recorded history, and yet here we have this stupid poster feeling sorry for poor, poor business, and claiming government is hurting business.

Apparently, people will swoon over what ever the business world tells them. They are stupid beyond belief. Tough economic times for who? Business with record breaking profits and CEO salaries? Me thinks not.

RedDev- Corporations are already trying to make their employees pay them. i was discharged from my job 4 weeks ago, and got a letter in the mail saying that i owe them money, when for the past 5 years i was shafted by them at every opportunity. i figure 5 years of not getting two 15 minute breaks because i was a 'salary' employee (even though i was treated as an hourly employee on my paychecks if i missed an hour or used vacation time) makes up for any amount they think i owe them for anything.

This is exactly what was happening 100 years ago with rampant robber baron capitalism, and it is sad that people can not learn from their own history to prevent it from repeating. They are now trying to dismantle all the things enacted to protect workers, and will lie, cheat, and steal to achieve going back to that time where business held all the cards in an already stacked deck.

Look who's back!

So, let's see- you got discharged four weeks ago? Sorry to hear it- it's a tough job market in general, and the summer months are usually even worse. However, please remember this- use of the term "discharge" will actually hurt your chances at landing a new position. The connotation is "fired"- and, even if you were, by law your former employer cannot reveal that information. All they can tell a prospective employer is that you were employed there from the dates you provide.

As to their seeking repayment- if you were discharged after using vacation time to which you would have been entitled were you not discharged, I don't think you need to worry too much about it- unless your employer was a government contractor. Still, it would not hurt to see an employment attorney- you can probably find one at a legal aid office if you can't afford to hire one.

Good luck.

NJNB, I normally disagree strongly with your posts, but find this one appropriate.

You aren't getting soft-hearted on us are you? (That's a joke)

RedDevPS

Thanks Northstar. Just look at this idiot post from below:

Of course the goal for any company is to make money... especially in these tough economic times. So many places have to look short term till business picks up, till the economy starts to grow, otherwise they go under and EVERYBODY loses their job.

. Business has over $2Trillion cash on hand, this highest ever in recorded history

As we all know you can take information out of context and massage the numbers to prove just about anything. The following is what Politifact had to say:

Although experts may differ on which category to highlight, it was perfectly reasonable for the Wall Street Journal to cite the category it did.

More important, though, is that Obama's statement implies companies are sitting on a full $2 trillion that could be immediately invested in business expansion. And that's not right.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/10/barack-obama/obama-says-companies-have-nearly-2-trillion-sittin/

Like you said, you can cherry pick any article to fit it to what you say, which is what you did from your own citation. If you look at the recap of the politifact article, it says:

Still, no matter how you slice the data, the Federal Reserve statistics show that companies are holding on to much more cash and liquid assets than they have in years past, so Obama's broader point is valid.

And for the record, the 2Trillion figure quoted was from 3rd quarter 2010 (rounded up from the posted amount of 1.93T). That amount at the end of 4th quarter 2011 was 2.23T, proving that Corporations are holding cash on hand at historical levels.

President Obama's GREAT Record is in the public records. There are tools such as the internet and local classes that can help you with the research you need.

Then you will see President Obama has a strong record to run on.

Jim, in the end the personalities of individuals is the smallest aspect of a presidential election. It is clear from your commentary you don't personally care for the president, and that's fine. The bigger picture is in the platform of the party one votes for. If you are rich or just believe that the United States of America is a better place when the very wealthy are most comfortable then I would encourage you to vote for someone other than Obama. If however, you are concerned like many of us that a very small and very powerful elite wealthy class are running our great nation into a ditch for their own benefit then I would suggest that you put aside your personal animosity and vote for the president. A Romney administration will from day one consolidate power and wealth in the hands of the "1%". This is the plan and the republicans are not shy about promoting it. It is their contention that when the wealthy are well cared for America is a better place. Some actually are naive and removed enough that they believe in the trickle down theory that some of the wealth will actually reach the working masses, others feel that the working masses are most content when happily laboring to serve the elite, and some simply don't care. Any Democratic president is going to stand up for working Americans, and Obama is a Democrat. Any Republican president is going to stand up for corporate interests and the very wealthy. It is in the end a very simple choice.

jim-1455434

Mr. President, sir, Why not simply run on the accomplishments of your administration ?

You could tell them how you have cut the nation's deficit in half as you promised

The truth is...Mitt Romney is a vulture and a cowardly, twisted, LIAR!!!

Romney continues to mislead Americans with falsehoods about President Obama’s record on the deficit. The irony is that, while the President’s plan reduces deficit by over $4 trillion over the next ten years, Mitt Romney—who loaded companies up with debt during his time as a corporate buyout specialist—now supports a plan that could explode the federal deficit by as much as $5 trillon

http://www.attackwatch.com/one-chart-to-explain-the-difference-between-president-obama-and-romney-on-t/

This is the great untold truth. That Romney's economic plans for reduced taxation and program cuts are unbalanced and will result in exploding deficits, the one issue that motivated the very creation of the tea party which now sets the agenda for the Republican party. It is ironic that the one issue that they have at least pretended to care most about is the issue that they are seemingly least concerned with now. They are much more interested in reducing their own tax liability than saving America from the ravages of debt.

Obama can show how he cares for the poor by doubling the number of poor.

He can show how he cares for the people on disability by doubling the number of people on disability.

He can show how he hates war by increasing the number of american servicemen killed.

He can show how he hates the deficit by doubling it.

He can show how he hates american citizens abroad by assinating them.

Obama - I love you - please dont kill me! (or eat me)

Wow, if that isn't typical right wing 'logic' I don't know what is. It isn't even worth correcting you.

We should encourage the poor to use birth control to hold down their increasing population. We can use amniocentesis to screen for birth defects and abort those fetuses that will be a burden on society. That should reduce our over spending and greatly reduce the problems facing society today.

Is Obama's accomplishments based on what we now know that he came into the Presidency with The Great Bush Depression starting in 2007 and in full force by 2009, so are we evaluating his 3 years in lieu of that? It must have been a real eye opener when the Bush administration summoned the McCain and Obama teams to the White House a month before the elections with "One of you will inherit an auto industry on the verge of collapse and home foreclosures are beginning to accelerate at a fast,scary pace."

So, what is the litmus test for what Obama has been able to accomplish?? Personally I believe he has hung in there and has done a decent job.

And what are you and the rest of your kind doing here, what names have you called the President, what lies have you told. Ever here of living in a glass house and throwing stones.

11EAGLES

obama is doing his usual, lying to the public and trying to destroy a person's character by speaking non truths, that's all that he can do, since he can not run on any thing that he has accomplished that is positive

11EAGLES

There is a cartoon for people like you:

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/files/2012/05/lk052512_color-blog.jpg

Nice link Bev :)

Obama/Biden 2012

myvote-

Nice link Bev :)

Obama/Biden 2012

Thanks

It's so appropriate for loons. Did you see this one?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html

And this is for people like you Beverly

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jco0428l.jpg

Awww but rick you did not address the second link . That one is NOT a pretty cartoon . As a matter of fact , Its not funny at all . Yet the Fox viewers still think they are in charge of something . Ooops .

sirie take a course in business, reading, comprehension, then read the whole speach and come back when your done. You missed the entire point of what was said and your ignorance is all over your comments.

If economic times are tough, how do you explain record breaking profits and CEO salaries? If that is your definition of economic hard times, I'd hate to see your definition of the good times.

Rodger-3113256

This statement from Obama is misleading - In less then 4 years he spent more then 5 trillion dollars more then any president collectively in 200+ years.

Actually, Rodger it's you KOCH suckers who are being mis-led!!!!

Here are the average spending increases per year in raw dollars (not adjusted for inflation) in descending order by president:

Presidents

Fiscal year baseline

Last fiscal year

Average percentage increase per year

Carter
1977
1981
16.4

Nixon
1969
1975
13.5

Johnson
1964
1969
11.0

George W. Bush
2001
2009
10.2

Reagan
1981
1989
8.6

Kennedy
1961
1964
7.1

George H.W. Bush
1989
1993
5.8

Clinton
1993
2001
4.0

Eisenhower
1953
1961
3.6

Obama
2009
2013
1.4

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/

The most significant shortcoming of the graphic is that it fails to note that some of the restraint in spending was fueled by demands from congressional Republicans; aka Tea Baggers and ole resistant, paranoid, Republican, white men afraid of diversity.

Hi Bev,

Facts have shown that about 35% of the republicans are just low information republicans that don't know anything, especially facts!

Job1

Hi Bev,

Facts have shown that about 35% of the republicans are just low information republicans that don't know anything, especially facts!

Good morning Job1

ROFL,

The study, which controlled for demographic factors like education and partisanship, found that "people who watch Fox News are 18-points less likely to know that Egyptians overthrew their government" and "6-points less likely to know that Syrians have not yet overthrown their government" compared to those who watch no news.

Overall, 53% of all respondents knew that Egyptians successfully overthrew Hosni Mubarak and 48% knew that Syrians have yet to overthrow their government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-less-informed-people-fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html

Beverly,

WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING? or are you really that dumb to think that percentages of how much each president increased the debt can relate from year to year? Carter increased the debt by less than 300 billion dollars. Even adjusting for inflation that is less than a trillion. Obama has increased the debt over 4 trillion. You liberals are either awfully dumb or incredible liars.

Rick, haven't you noticed? Gas prices are way down, the housing market is back, unemployment is way down, Obama has created billions of jobs every month since elected, all wars are over and peace and harmony has spread to all the corners of the world and Romney is the devil.

This has been a public service message from MSNBC.

You know more of Romney than people know of Obama.

We know Obama was never a businessman and never lead anything until 2009.......A Christian, but belonged to a racial church.......friends with a domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers.........or ran as a Socialist, I mean Progressive.........or believes in giving immigrants benefits.........believes that there's 57 States......believes that the government should control eduction.......believe the government should control a women from the age of 3 to 67 (Julia ring a bell)?

Please don't define this guy, we all figured it out in the last 3 1/2 years.

Another demented post. I went to a Mormon church a few Sunday's ago, and the entire congregation was white. According to Paul's definition, that makes the church racial.

A Christian, but belonged to a racial church

Paul, the supporter of Romney the fascist corporate lover, who believes corporations are people.

believes that the government should control eduction

Paul, the Floridian idiot who doesn't realize government established the 'eduction' (that would be education for most of us stupid folk) system.

@RedDevPS #17.4,

So you don't agree with Paul's opinion and immediately resort to a personal attack calling him an idiot. I am not surprised. The true venom from the left comes out against anyone whose political mindset is different from theirs.

LOL ! Liberals are "liberal" only so long as your opinion agrees with theirs. Come to think of it, that is pretty much what Obama is doing because his record is so weak.

LOL ! Liberals are "liberal" only so long as your opinion agrees with theirs.

If Paul had stated an opinion, I wouldn't have necessarily considered the statement idiotic. What he did was bash Obama for a policy that has been in place since public education was established by government in the 1600s. That is simply idiotic.

Get back to me when you figure out the difference between an opinion and an idiotic statement.

RedDevPS - jim only goes on here to post insults and attack anyone who doesn't walk lock step with him. Then he attacks them for putting others down. He's so out of touch with reality he doesn't have a clue. I think he and Kirk are the same person.

Neither of them are worth the effort.

"went to a Mormon church a few Sunday's ago, and the entire congregation was white."

Did you Red, where?

"If Paul had stated an opinion, I wouldn't have necessarily considered the statement idiotic"

No, I posted a fact of what Obama has said in the past or what he's trying to do now (Julia) look it up-fact.

"Get back to me when you figure out the difference between an opinion and an idiotic statement."

Neither, it's a fact, care to state it's not?

"Paul, the Floridian idiot who doesn't realize government established the 'eduction' (that would be education for most of us stupid folk) system."

Cool, I'm an idiot because I posted what's been posted in the past? Whatever, you want to speak about education? I would love to talk about education and why the Federal government needs to step away from it.

A true Liberal, can't debate, resort to name calling...........yay

RedDevPS,

Paul was talking about Obama who is the subject of the article, and therefore, pretty much fair game. You have directed your personal attack at him in violation of the Code of Honor.

SeekingSanity does the same thing on a regular, ongoing basis. As you can see, her attack on me in #17.7 does the same thing as she makes no relevant comment on anything dealing with the article itself. Then she has the "balls" to accuse me of personal insults .... the utter height of hypocrisy.

All anyone needs to do to evaluate SeekingSanity's hypocrisy is click on her screen moniker, pull up some of her voluminous comments from the past few days and see how often she calls someone "idiot", "idiotic", "pathetic", "liar" .... etc, etc ad nauseam.

As I said before, when SeekingSanity learns to treat others with respect, then he/she/it may get treated with respect in return. I did not hold my breath on any expectation that he/she/it might change, and he/she/it has quickly proven my point !

MRWSR, I don't hear whinning except from Romney, oh we can't talke about that, oh he is just running a smear compaign. From what I have seen Obama is not dodging anything and has forced Romney to switch from economics to schools and then he looses that battle, been watching the news and videos so you get to hear it for yourself. Remember you wanted ABO and you got him.

Tis,

Please get off your high horse. If Romney had said anything like obama has the last coulpe of day, y'all would be calling for a holy war. Plus, you tend to just belittle and won't admit when your boy screws up. Because I sure know Romney has, several times. Will not deny that. Plus our primary has not happened yet. So I was not able to vote my choice. But will stand with Romney, because he is more in line with my views than obama.

Also would like the president to say something about his Bain money on the stump.

Though the Obama campaign has repeatedly attacked Mitt Romney for his career at Bain Capital, President Obama still accepted $7,500 in campaign contributions from three Bain executives. His campaign press secretary, Ben LaBolt told The Politicker the president has no intention of giving the money back.

Wonder how you will spin that one.

MRWSR-

"If Romney had said..."

You mean like Romney's surrogate Paul Ryan calling Obama a failed president? Or Romney saying Obama was responsible for the "third world education" in our country?

Please pay attention - Obama is not "attacking" Mitt Romney about Bain Capital, he is accurately refuting Romney's own contention that his experience at Bain Capital proves he can create jobs - and that Bain crated "100,000" jobs.

MRWSR my horse is only 13hands not that high. Romney has said plenty since he started running this time, no holy war yet. Obama has done his share of things I do not agree with, but I simply do not like Mitts political views or practices. Mitt is running on his business experience so that make anything in his career open to examination and now he does not like that, so sorry. As for Obama getting contributions from Bain executives they are not running for President, Romney is and what does it say when three from Bain support Obama and not their former leader Romney. I have said this before Bain is doing what they were designed to do, Make money for their investors and Romney did his part. My issue is how does that translate into running a Government that is suppose to be for and by the people, not the corporation. If you feel I have taken a high road position then so be it. If you choose to support Romney then so be it. But Romney is the one crying foul right now not Obama and how has Obama been treated, what names has he been called, what outright lies have been stated. I do not hear him complaining I hear him coming back at his accusers which is fair game in politics unless of course you feel that is unfair.

Tnsevol,

You can not compare "Surrogates" as you say. Spin it all you want. That was the point of my orginal post. Digging a hole.

this ain't beanbags

Tis,

Now y'all sound almost conservative.

This what I am talking about. He is diging a hole, here. He did not start out with this view and you know it. His goal was to lable Romney as a rich, wall street corprate elitist. Did not work. Now he say's equity firms are a good thing, but that is not how to run a country, because it won't level the playing field. obama's stripes are not changing. Still wants wealth distibuted. Wonder what the ows crew thinks of all this. Want to talk about the smoke and mirrors.

I am very sorry, but obama is having to make legs to stand on.

MRWSR wrote:

Though the Obama campaign has repeatedly attacked Mitt Romney for his career at Bain Capital, President Obama still accepted $7,500 in campaign contributions from three Bain executives. His campaign press secretary, Ben LaBolt told The Politicker the president has no intention of giving the money back.

Wonder how you will spin that one.

Me:

How about - those Bain executives must know something about Mitt the rest of us should know. If you had a former co-worker running for office, would you donate to the opponents campaign? What do they know and why do they NOT want Mitt to win? What's wrong with Romney that even his former co-conspirators don't want him to be president?

MRWSR, you keep putting Romney and Bain together when they are seperate subjects. Bain is a company doing just what it is designed to do, make money, its how that money is made and who designed that method. Bain making money is not the issue. Romney putting Corporate profit above people is when you are running for President. You can not nor should not run any Government like a corporation since the goal of any corporation is profit at any cost not for the betterment of the employees( people or citizens). Explain the rational behind CEO increasing their income more than 300% while the employee stays at the same income or less. Because that is the function of a Corporation not a Government which is to improve the lives of its citizens. When you talk about wealth distribution you seem to think we just raid the bank accounts of the CEO's and write checks to the employees, and you know damn well that is not it. The idea is workers should benefit from the success as well as their employer since without them the employer would have nothing. That is not happening, the employer is taking everything for himself and not shareing with the worker that made that money. How much profit for a company is enough before they share that with the employees or do you think the employee should just be grateful they have a job at all. The smoke and mirrors are the trade of the right. Obama has legs and a record to stand on. The right has a believe of entitlement.

Tis,

Spin.

We can debate this all day. You don't like the free market or capitalism.

Ask the CEO of Home Depot or about 1000 others that reinvest their money. You claim they pocket it. Prove that the employees lose out. What business is it of yours anyway how someone spends their money. The employees of this administration seem to have all the perks. I have many friends who have seen their CEO's reinvest into the company that keeps them employed.

Spin, smoke and mirrors. You must be the legs that he stands on.

I can not take anything you that say now as anything else that spin for the sake of argument.

I do not know of any major corparations that do not take care of their employees.

11eagles you sound like one of MRWSR's whinners, too bad you picked Romney and now he is your problem

He is the Americas solution to the Obama mess.

rukidding47, what mess is that unemployement, high gas prices, high debt, really you still on that lie, Romney will be and the GOP have been the reason this country is divided and in debt, I know you do not agree with that but you can only stick your head in the sand so long before you need air. So we disagree but lets disagree on facts not beliefs or lies. You want to shout and call someone names or do you want to debate issues, but don't whine about the hand you have choosen, just play the cards you have. Or take two from the deck.

He is the Americas solution to the Obama mess.

Like Hitler was the solution to Germany's problems after WWI?

11EAGLES says:

I can't believe the crap that MS NBC is putting out or rather the lack of. Talk about true an balanced it's a sad joke what the media has come to. Is this the direction that we are headed?

So FOX News Channel IS putting out fair and balanced information? Get real, my friend. MSNBC is admittedly biased to the left, but FOX is far and away more biased to the right. The far right, I might add.

I agree with you that "it's a sad joke what the media has come to". I just think that FOX is a much bigger joke than MSNBC could ever hope to be.

Fox News is one out of how many in the far left biassed main stream media? I think their reporting is far more real that MSNBC, CNN, etc.

Amy,

Good post. I had the privilege of being raised in a two-parent home and although we were never rich we had clothes, food and a roof over our heads. We also had a family unit and an extended family to rely on when times got tough.

I spent several years managing inner-city McDonald's restaurants where I got a harsh lesson in the reality of life without those privileges. I saw how much time using public transportation added to your commute. I saw single mothers struggling to find reliable child care. I saw drug addicts trying to get back on their feet. I remember well one of my hardest workers reporting to work one harsh winter day without shoes or a jacket, because he was robbed at gunpoint at the bus station.

I also saw how hard it was for some people in those areas to get a good education when their parents, peers, and neighbors may not be able to read, speak or write gramatically correct english.

I don't pretend to know what the answer is, but I agree with the point raised yesterday - why do all of the Republican reforms for schools in poor neighborhoods involve sending the children out of the neighborhoods? Are we giving up?

Magnet schools typically outperform the schools in the local districts and, here in Arizona, going to a voucher system allowed privately operated charterschools that charge no more than the voucher for each student typically outperform both. Why? NO Union Teachers. Salaries and promotion in those schools is based upon the performance of the students, not union seniority. University High is a great example...it is ranked 4th in the NATION. Do poorer students attend? Yes. Do they have to pay tuition? No. All costs are covered.

You can keep your children where they are or you can work to improve your schools...the only way to do that is give the "first hired, first fired" rule the boot, get viable metrics for teachers and fire the ones who don't measure up. Schools weren't invented to give lazy or inept teachers a paycheck they were created to educate our children. you choose if you want Romney's model or that of a labor union shill.

bfitz,

I am not arguing "pay for performance", but it is unfair to compare the performance of charter schools and private schools to public schools. The same parents who are responsible enough to take advantage of charter schools or public school vouchers are probably the same parents who would have ensured their kids received a good education at a public school.

You "skim" off the best and brightest from the public schools (students and teachers) then compare the results? The problem there are a lot of kids who end up receiving a "second-tier" education through no fault of their own because their parent(s) aren't involved.

Again, I don't pretend to have all the answers, but why fund charter schools and voucher programs but cut funding for Head Start and school lunch programs? I still think that approach creates more of a "two-tiered" education system.

bfitz - Charter schools perform better because they can expel students with learning disabilities where public schools can't. My oldest son, who will be a sophomore next fall, started out with severe learning disabilities that would have had him expelled from any charter school in this nation before 2nd grade. Now, he's earning B's or better as a freshman and no longer exhibits any of the problems that plagued him through elementary school (ADD/hyperactivity, and has caught up to grade level reading when as a 3rd grader he was still reading at a kindergarten level, and in 7th grade was at a 5th grade level).

Privatization of education is not the best answer for the kids, and your union rant shows your bias. i'm so grateful for the union teachers that helped us get my son where he is today. They didn't do it for the money they were paid (as teachers are the most underpaid profession in the country by many studies), but because they love working with children and helping them learn.

TNSEVOL

Thanks for your well-informed and thoughtful answer to my post regarding schools.

I recently read about a study that showed students in charter schools didn't perform better than public schools, so Romney's comments raised concerns in my mind. The Republicans seem to feel privatization is always the answer, but it certainly didn't work when we privatized services in the military.

Unions cannot stand charter schools. They oppose performance-based pay. Unions support "tenure" which is a crutch for teachers who no longer want to give it "their best effort" and choose, instead, to ride the gravy train of union protectionism. Not all union teachers are lazy or giving the job a half-hearted effort, however, there is no accountability over those that do take the easy path.

To paraphrase Romney, "unions are people too". I know several teachers who are not opposed to performance-based pay, they just don't agree with how the porposals measure performance. How do you measure a good teacher? Test scores - if so how do you make comparisons between different class compostions, districts, etc.? How do you measure inspiration?

Most public school teachers accept lower wages and in return they are granted benefits and "tenure". These were negotiated terms as part of the full package they agreed to. Now we want to modify part of the contract? There are "deadbeats" in almost every line of work, and very seldom are they easy to get rid of. It is no different in the corporate world, unless someone violates company policy it is sometimes difficult to terminate them without a lot of documentation and proof.

here in Arizona, going to a voucher system allowed privately operated charterschools that charge no more than the voucher for each student typically outperform both. Why? NO Union Teachers

Oh goodie, more union bashing based upon false assumptions and false conclusions. Several studies show no significant improvements in educational quality in charter vs. public schools. So how can one draw the conclusion that union teachers cause charter schools to outperform public schools.

One thing is for sure, if it is public schools that educates the type of idiocy and failed reasoning demonstrated in that ridiculous post, then we are short-changing ourselves on the educational front. And what is scarier still, is if that poster has a college education.

Nazzy we want Romney to run on his past but now he is the one that does not want to talk about it. Why.

Nazarite, what past achievements? Romney's not talking about his record. He only vaguely discusses Bain. He hasn't really addressed the very valid criticisms brought up by the left about his record as a venture capitalist at Bain, where he helped investors but not lowly employees.

He can't talk about his time in Michigan because of Romneycare and the poor job growth occurring on his watch. He can't boast about the Olympics because he took huge amounts of federal grants to make it successful.

From the very start of the Republican primary, the entitled Romney has acted like the presumptive nominee, and he has been attacking the President. I have heard very little about his own actual plans. When he was asked about foreign policy, for example, he simply said we'd have to wait til he was in office to find out. Guess what? I think we'll be waiting a long time. Hopefully, Americans will see that this is just one more area (foreign policy) where Obama beats Romney hands down.

@Bethie from Texas,

No Bethie "He can't talk about his time in Michigan because of Romneycare and the poor job growth occurring during his watch".

He was the Governor of Massachusetts !!! Roll over and go back to sleep.

Obama's record as President is something virtually no Democrat wants to talk about !

Killing Bin Laden?

Ending the Iraq War?

Bringing the Afghanistan War to a finish in 2014?

Creating over 3 million jobs in the private sector?

Reducing government jobs by 500,000?

Lowest spending increases since Eisenhower?

Equal pay and more legal protections for women?

Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell?

Supporting marriage equality?

Honestly, this is just off the top of my head. I didn't get to the Credit Card Bill of Rights, 30 million more Americans getting health care, etc. etc.

If a Republican President had accomplished half of what Obama has, they'd be adding his visage to Mount Rushmore.

Yeah, Obama GOT BIN LADEN ... "that's the ticket" ..... "choked him with his bare habds"..... and, and "when Obama pulled out his submachine gun" .... uh, uh..... "Obama gave him four karate chops, threw him over his shoulder, took the gunaway .....and, and fired the bullet that killed him ..... right in the kisser" ...... yeah, that's the ticket. Of course Obama did this "all by himself" after "single-handedly fighting off 30.... no 300 who were protecting him" ..... yeah, that's the ticket !

Where is John Lovett when you need him ?

The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden, based on intelligence gathered years before from waterboarding that eventually led to another clue for his location. Obama gave the okay ... nothing more, nothing less.

Based on what Mitt has been talking about - there appears to be a 4-year gap in his resume. Wasn't he the Gov of MA? He, for some reason, doesn't want to discuss this very much. Can we talk about his record as Gov, please?

Jim, are you honestly telling me that you wouldn't be CROWING about bin Laden's death had it been a Republican president? Obama took a huge risk when he made those orders--you know it and just refuse to ackowledge it. And it kills you that it happened on Obama's watch instead of Bush's, doesn't it?

Yes, I made an error saying "MI" instead of "MA"--I guess it's easy for me to forget since Romney never mentions it.

You couldn't be more wrong. If you are against wars than beware of Romney who wants to attack Iran. You may not like Obama but he is an incredibly much better choice. I have no idea what Romney will do in foreign policy and you don't either.

JG Oh shut up!

There are more wars under Obama than there was under Bush. Bush had Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama has these plus Libya, Egypt and soon to be Syria. He's a warmonger on a scale that makes Bush look like a pacifist..