At this point its Romney OR Obama so we're all equally f'ed. Good work.

Other than those social issues that shouldn't be of federal concern (abortion and marriage primarily) can anyone tell the difference?

Ouch! my head: Sorry to burst your bubble, but the numbers look bad when Obama took over because he put 2 unfunded wars back on the books. Funny thing: wars are expensive, unless you lie to America, and hide the cost in appropriation requests every 6 weeks. Think we don't remember? We do.

The wars were less than 1.5 trillion. now what about the other 4.5 spent in less than one term?

"I don't know how you can't understand this or just refuse to believe that 0bama can do wrong."

And of course Bush was perfect and Mitt will also be perfect? Too Funny.

It was a republican Administration that put this country on the verge of total economic collapse and its way too soon to hand them the keys back.

"Bush fought two wars and the worst he ever had was a 500B deficit. How is that possible?"

Because he kept the cost of those two wars "off the books" Talk about stupid.

Perhaps posters like Dave Simpson above are simply Republican trolls posting crap just to make liberals look like snarky idiots....shameful.

Bill clinton was a Springs for America, a time for work, Bush was a Summer season with all the harvest he took in, and Obama is a the Fall season of America and Yes Winter is coming.

sdpaulson -- Once again, a cow pie post from you, and thanks for reminding us of yet another LIE Romney repeats over and over.

President Obama is NOT a job killer. This is a fact backed with data -- 26 months of continual job growth. And that reminds me of another lie I didn't list in my first post above. President Obama has not raised taxes. Tax cuts for the middle class were a large part of the stimulus, and then the payroll tax cuts. But getting back to the president not being anti-capitalist, he also cut taxes for small businesses.

But let's talk about corporate raider Mitt Romney, and how even other private equity guys will tell you job creation is NOT what they do. And not counting the jobs that already existed when Bain took over a company, or the jobs that were created after Bain left the companies for dead (i.e., true net)...

Apparently Bain released a report showing 80% of the companies they raided are still operating. Assuming we take Bain at their word (with no third party review of facts):

The 20% that didn't survive -- Explain why it shouldn't be illegal to jack up the debt--often with government funds or at local tax expense--and to under-fund pension plans--often leaving government to pick up the tab once again, and walk away with millions in profit? This does not even address breaking health care promises, for example to a 60-year old worker.

Of the supposed 80% of companies that survived, the workers could only come back to work if they accepted slashed pay, no benefits, and with their pension decimated.

The bottom line is Romney NEVER lost. Romney made money, a LOT of money 100% of the time.

Aside from Mormonism, all Romney believes in is generating wealth for himself (and the 1% who are NOT job creators and they do not care about YOU). Even now he wants student loans to go back to the banks charging interest with government guarantee of the loans AND government subsidies. He agrees with Paul Ryan on vouchers for Medicare so that government can subsidize insurance companies too. He wants Wall Street to take over everything from your retirement on down to your last penny. Romney is for privatizing profits and socializing debt.

Stand with Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum against Vulture Capitalism. Contact your representative today and demand that these business practices be made illegal, right along with anti-trust laws, Bernie Maddoff schemes, Enron, Worldcom, heck JP Morgan, and all the regulations that have always been needed and always will be.

Join those of us who support capitalism as we once knew it, not this twisted ugly cow pie it has become. Return America to greatness by restoring the American Dream for all.

Obama/Biden - 2012!

Alil Common Sense -- There are plenty of sources to show growth in spending per administration, and there's a graph comparison that shows growth in spending during President Obama has been lower than Reagan and both Bushes.

But the lies that Romney (and GOP/TP) continually repeats is the worst I've seen in my life.

Then he quipped, “I don’t know whose record he twisted the most – mine or his.”

The president is right on target with that statement, and let's hope the media starts doing a better job tagging the lies when these are repeated.

Obama's record is terrible. So is Romney's. In fact, I'm pretty sure they're the same person.

Nevertheless, Obama spent the loot. More than all previous President's combined.

You can make excuses for it, but you can't deny it.

Maybe the media can stop it's own lying before they go after anybody else's.

On a lighter note, here's some humorous reading for you if you're interested.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/8615/ron-paul-forming-his-own-party-as-obama-and-romney-join-forces

People do not understand the fundamentals of economics, especially Romney. You all realize that what the debt is also doing don't you.... it's weakening our currency. Many of you who don't understand will think this is a sign America is headed downhill, but it's not. A weakened currency will benefit us all. See, a weaker currency will help us sell our goods abroad. It will make our goods cheaper, increase orders for those goods and thus increase unemployment. Who will suffer? Well, if you have a lot of money already your money will now be worth less, and foreign goods will cost more. Anyone feel sorry for someone who has to shell out a little more for their Mercedes or Audi? Not me. Anyone feel sorry about those with enough money to vacation abroad having their dollar not be worth what it use to be? Not me. Falls in currency ultimately affect the rich, which is why the rich are so concerned about dupping you into crying about the debt.

Dem in Texas, when you say people don't understand economics, do you mean..... you?

A weakened dollar is bad for us all.

Take oil for example. It's traded in petrodollars, or US Dollars.

If gas costs 3$ a gallon, and you devalue the dollar by 50%

then one previous dollar now only equals 50 cents

So, in order to have the same value as the previous 3 dollars, you now need to have 6 dollars.

Then gas costs 6$ a gallon. You are spending the same value for the same item, but it takes more weakened dollars to describe the same value.

Because it now takes 6$ to have the same value that 3$ used to have.

The value of the gas has not changed.

Get it?

And debt? It's laughable. Think 30 year mortgages, for a 100k house, with a 30 yr mortgage, at 5%, you end up paying almost 400k for the house by the time the loan is complete.

Debt is the same way. Every TRILLION we owe, with interest, is really more like 4-6 Trillion.

Your rationalization of the dire economic straights we are in totally fails.

I sentence you to read 3 Ron Paul books on Economics.

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All I know is we deserve whatever we get. That old saying, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" applies to everyone and everything. If we elect Obama again, we deserve everything we get.

hungrymongoose,

We goofed in our voting in 2000 and in 2004.

Because of political naivety, we voted into office the wrong people.

As a result of the above, economically we put a noose around their necks. It is amazing either how you do not realize or how quickly you have chosen to forget that our expedited financial collapse was caused by the GOP's greedy and amoral Ayn Rand polices.

With the economic "avalanche" that Obama was handed, do you really think that he can resolve 3 decades of our citizenry being buried in economic unfairness?

Obama is setting America on a better course for the future.

With Romney...we will get "one step forward for the 1% and two steps backwards for the rest of us."

Obama/Biden 2012!

"Bush fought two wars and the worst he ever had was a 500B deficit. How is that possible?"

We need to stop this lie. You also see it phrased this way: Bush's average deficit was only $250B a year.

Well let's just look at the numbers. National budgets run from Oct to Oct, so Bush's first budget actually started on Oct 1, 2001, his last budget ended Sept 1, 2009:

2001 - budget deficit = -$128B; national debt = $5.8T

2002 - budget deficit = $160B; national debt = $6.2T

2003 - budget deficit = $380B; national debt = $6.8T

2004 - budget deficit = $410B; national debt = $7.4T

2005 - budget deficit = $320B; national debt = $7.9T

2006 - budget deficit = $250B; national debt = $8.5T

2007 - budget deficit = $160B; national debt = $9.0T

2008 - budget deficit = $460B; national debt = $10.0T

2009 - budget deficit = $1.4T; national debt = $11.9T

So, just take the deficit for each year and then match it with the increase in national debt for that year. You will clearly see that the national debt always increased at least 2X more than the budget deficit. The national debt is a much clearer picture of what Bush spent during his presidency than his budget deficits are. And it is precisely because he kept a lot of spending "off the books" with emergency supplemental bills.

Most of these emergency supplemental bills were touted as war spending. In fact, pressure to approve these bills was always applied with the promise that our men and women in combat will run out of bullets or be left stranded in the desert. Those who have opposed, or even questioned, any part have been accused of "not supporting our troops."

But they never included just war spending. Congress was always willing to stuff such bills with pork. Here's just one example:

The best example of Congress’s propensity to stuff supplemental bills with pork items can be found in the most recent supplemental, signed by the president in June 2007, which contained $24 billion in nonemergency spending. That included $120 million for the shrimp and menhaden fishing industries, $283 million for the Milk Income Loss Contract program, $60 million for salmon fisheries, $100 million for California citrus growers, $50 million for asbestos mitigation at the U.S. Capitol Plant, $1 billion for avian flu, and $1 billion for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

So let's put an end to the idea that Bush, along with Republican majorities in both houses for 6 out of the 8 years he spent in office, were any kind of "fiscally responsible". They spent money like drunken sailors and the US is still paying their tab!

It's always the idiots without the facts that call people idiots without facts. Talk about drinking kool-aid. "Ouch my balls"? WTF? Are you 12?

Dave Simpson..."The Republicans did nothing. They brought terrorism,...to our front door!"

The way your history is laid out, all our problems with al quaida started on 9/11. So while we're at it, let's not forget not one single Democrat voted for either the Iraq or Afghanistan war, nor did any Democrats vote for the bailouts under Bush or Republicans vote for the bailouts under Obama.

Some theorize alternate universes. It's no theory.

And I am just waiting for the Romney camp to start crowing the old "kinder, gentler conservatism" mantra. Is Romney's middle name Walker, by any chance? He's Bush Three, at your service.

WHen you listen to the whining from the RIght you'd think President Obama had just stolen their FIrst Born when none of them are able to offfer even one thing that has negtativelyt afffected them directly. YIf I didn't know bettter I'd say they wre merely regurgitating things they'd heard on the radio.

I just know that I am much worse off than 3 1/2 years ago, it's pretty plain to see. This guy is all talk, no substance at all. DOesn't have a clue what to do, and sure as hell cannot run on his "record." That's why he continues to attack with all his funny rhetoric. You'd think he was a comedian on the Tonight Show.

Good lord, you know when you look at actual policy positions, and not just rhetoric, Obama is not "the most radical leftist president ever" like Romney and the republicans try to paint him... Now, when you compare past Democratic presidents to the Republican party of their day, the difference between Obama and the current day Republican party may be much wider than past presidents, but that's only because the Republican party has gone so far right that it's almost of the chart.

Based on policy positions and administrative actions, Obama is actually just to the right of Reagan, and quite far to the right of Lincoln, the two favored sons of the Republican party.

And as for those budget figures that Ouch posted up there, showing the budget surplus/deficit skyrocketing just after Obama takes office, that's because under the Bush administration, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not included in the budget. That's just fiscal smoke and mirrors trying to show that Obama is a reckless spender compared to Bush.

The Republicans feel that allowing the top 20% to control 85% of the wealth in America, and the bottom 20% to control 0.3% of the wealth means that the rich don't have enough. Did you know that most people in America think that the top 20% only controls 60% of the wealth, and they still think that's too high? Do you know how much wealth Americans think the top 20% should control? 30 to 40%. Did you know that the top paid 299 CEOs in American make enough money to pay the median income (about $33,000) of over 150,000 Americans? Or that the income inequality in America today is at rates not seen since the Great Depression? You remember, that time when people we dubbed "Robber Barons" tried to consolidate all the wealth at the top, and caused our economy to go into a freefall.

The fact is, we've done this all before, and we've seen how it goes. Unrestrained free markets and unregulated capitalism create nothing but poverty and economic hardship. And the Republicans want the economic policies of the 20's, the foreign policy of the Bush Years, and the social policies of the 50's, you know, segregation, McCarthyism, all that fun stuff. They want to return us to three of the worst policy positions in our history. It's about time that the Democrats start reminding everyone that the root word of "Progressive" is "progress". And that's what we need, to progress forward, and not go back to failed policies of inequality.

hs321

The way your history is laid out, all our problems with al quaida started on 9/11. So while we're at it, let's not forget not one single Democrat voted for either the Iraq or Afghanistan war, nor did any Democrats vote for the bailouts under Bush or Republicans vote for the bailouts under Obama.

Yes, they did but the question is how would they vote today knowing that what President Bush told them was a sack full of $hit.

Hey, if the president and his advisors tell you that Iraq has WMD and is hiding terrorists you tend to believe that the president would not ask for a war if he did not have legit, verified info.

Had they known that Bush was either incompetent or simply lying, I'm assuming that their vote would have been different.

Yes, they also voted for bailouts because as much as that sucked, not voting for them would have sucked more. Don't blame the desperate attempt to prevent a disaster, blame the person who caused the disaster.

Do you remember the whole: you either with us or you're with the terrorist speech????

Nevertheless, Obama spent the loot. More than all previous President's combined.

so completely and ridiculously false. How can people believe this nonsense? You can disprove this statement with a few seconds of research on the google....

DrowningGrover

so completely and ridiculously false. How can people believe this nonsense? You can disprove this statement with a few seconds of research on the google....

the problem is that they cannot. If they did, they would have to admit that the entire Republican party is lying.

Exactly, Rev. Aren't we supposed to be "....for the people by the people"? Not for the corporations the Supreme Court says are people. If Romney is elected that"s what we'll get

ouchmyballs - You are talking about someone being stupid? Bush did not put his wars on the books, the single biggest reason that you see an increase in spending for Obama. The facts are this Obama has the lowest rate of spending to GDP since Einsenhower. SINCE FRIKIN EISENHOWER!!!!

You people need to look at the facts, before you call someone else @#$%^& stupid. You dumb ass.

Doesn't matter who spent what. The fact is that $10 trillion of the government debt was created over the last ten years.

What do we do about that? Where is the money to pay that debt going to come from?

The money is going have to come from our economy - there is no other magic source of money. Our economy will have to cough up the money to pay that debt - it is not going to come from anyplace else. The only way the government can get money from the economy to pay that debt is through taxes.

We have choices.

The choice offered by TEA Party is to cut government spending and cut government taxes so we cannot pay that debt. That's the stupid choice.

The choice offered by establishment Republicans is to cut government spending and not cut taxes so we only pay the debt. That's the austerity choice.

The choice offered by Democrats is to hold the deficit where it is at until we grow the economy to provide more money to pay the debt. That's the kitchen table economics choice.

We are racing toward an economic cliff, according to Wall Street analysts. At the end of the year - tax cuts expire - mandatory spending cuts go into effect - the government reaches the debt limit again. Austerity terrifies the financial markets - because - it shuts down the debt engine.

Our economy runs on debt - our economic growth depends on debt. That is the basis of 'free enterprise' Reaganomics. While Reaganomics has proven to be a stupid policy that only wrecks economies - we cannot stop it too quickly.

Nerm,

The choice offered by establishment Republicans is to cut government spending and not cut taxes so we only pay the debt. That's the austerity choice.

do you realize that Romney is surrounding himself with all Bush advisors - what does that tell you? It would be a Bush part deux.

Do you realize that Obama's growth in government spending is actually much much less than of Bush1, Bush2, and Reagan???????????

distortion AND EXTORTION. Remember Bain Capital and the prevailing GOP approach of ripoff. Romney even ripped some hair off gays, and scalping it for profit.

You can see it right here.

The thing is, with all the extremists here on newsvine, and out there in the public, you can count on whoever loses this election feeling marginalized.

With the Tea douche baggers forcing out thinking Republicans, they'll be pure a-holes if Romneywith the election, and fit throwers if its a loss.

Consequently, with all the seals sex loving extremists of the left, they'll think that not fixing the economy is still the way to go if Obama wins, and equal hating fit throwers if its a loss.

But one thing you can count on: You people who only vote Democrat or Republican, sitting here already beginning your hissyfit, you won't be happy no matter what. And obviously, to you, it is more important to throw your fit than to fix anything. So in that regard, I'm kind of glad the economy sucks if it happened to effect you since Bush and through Obama. Because you already got what you deserve.

@bayllie -- Yes, I do realize all that. Romney is a proponent of 'free enterprise' neoliberal economics. Romney promotes the same economic policy that has destroyed Europe's economies. Romney would be a bad choice to 'fix' our economy.

Obama is the proven fiscal conservative in the race. Obama has been promoting conservative economic policy, too.

We are going to have to work our way out of this mess. Investing in more Reaganomics is only going to make things worse.

I find it ironic that everyone blames Bush's policies for our financial turmoils. How quickly you forget that it was CLINTON'S deregulation of Wall Street that got us in to this mess. Why do you think we had the dot-com bubble in the late 90's and early 00's?

Oh goodie. Name calling by the Commander in Chief. How embarassing....sigh. Just run on the issues and quit acting like a kid if you think you're policies and those of Democrats in majority control since 2006 are so great.

Besides, why is Obama defending a corporation and it's CEOs that made millions? Was Bain a major Democrtat campaign contributor or something? I thought I was supposed to hate those guys. It was one of those Wall Street companies you know.

Pigotry..."Remember Bain Capital and the prevailing GOP approach of ripoff."

LOL! So the government takes over GM, screws hundreds of people out of their investment in GM and shuts down one dealership after another laying off people and some how it's OK for doing essentially the same thing Bain is being demonized for.

Reminds me of they lyrics from a song:

My daddy is sleepin' and mama ain't around
Yeah daddy is sleepin' and mama ain't around
We're gonna twisty twisty twisty
'Til we turn the house down
Come on and twist yeah baby twist

Nerm_L

Re-reading my post, I realized that I made it sound like I was arguing with you which was not my intention. I agree with everything you say, and my post was supposed show that.

lray801

How quickly you forget that it was CLINTON'S deregulation of Wall Street that got us in to this mess

so now you people are against the deregulation? I thought according to the Republicans, corporations can regulate themselves?

the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act had little if anything to do with the current crisis, and economists on both sides have suggested that the act has probably made the crisis less severe than it might otherwise have been.

Greedy corporations like AIG caused the financial meltdown. Greedy banks and mortgage brokers caused the financial meltdown. Borrowers, whether because uneducated, ignorant or simply didn't care, were part of the reason for the financial meltdown.

The president should be an expert on what constitutes a "cowpie of distortion"...he has cooked those pies quite often. A 'Master Baker', in fact.

Like when his flap with the Catholic Church over them being forced to pay for employee co-pays for contraception goods and services per the president's never discussed healthcare reform plan...the president thought he calmed the waters and had solved the problem with his cowpie statement that "the insurance companies are going to step up".

"Step up" ??? As if the insurance companies would pay those copays out of their pockets. One would have to be completely naive to believe that was going to happen. But the president was certain his 'cowpie of distortion' was the end of the issue.

And now he is being sued by dozens of religious organizations who scraped away Mr. Obama's distorted cowpie and saw the fact that if insurance companies were to "step up" and pay those contraception co-pays, they could only afford to do so by jacking up the price of policy premiums.

The only folks stepping up now are an army of lawyers.

Hey Prez O!: YOU PROMISED An American Universal HealthCare System like other civilized countries' who take care of their citizens, instead of cutting a deal with the "healthcare" insurance industry!! But we STILL get something out of you and You ARE the Lesser of the Evils. Yeah, A lot of US are mad at Prez O, he let the $4.00+Gas and oil go by without a nod. AND that shaking hands with karzai of afghan after what he said????? "thanks sucker taxpayers..." NONEtheless has anybody got an idea what republicanCrimeCartelSoldierRommel will do to US and ANY economic progress made?? He will GUT US LIKE A FLAPPIN' FISH ON THE DOCK.....You're gonna' see Unemployment up to 30% and NO Social Security..Gotta Pay for New Wars!!!

Here's the rundown on Mitt Romney's devastating record as CEO of Bain Capital, a tenure marked by bankruptcies, bailouts, and mass layoffs — all while Romney and his partners raked in Billions of Dollars in profits for the firm and Romney himself amassed a Quarter-Billion Dollar Fortune.
Romney's Bain Capital Caused Mass Layoffs, Sent Jobs Overseas
Thousands of Americans were laid off by Bain Capital at companies it purchased, managed, and, at least a quarter of the time, drove into bankruptcy, ruining Lives, Destroying Careers and Families including Many Many Suicides While stuffing his pockets, Keeping his Darling son OUT of service to his country with the line "My son is Fulfilling his Patriotic Duty by helping me get elected"...Got that one?? and, Of Course, installing the InHouse car elevator for his "darling little boy's $180,000Ferrari....Listen Up People...This guy IS Count Dracula In carnate

Phantom...

No...that's YOUR rundown...not THE rundown.

Nerm,

Romney promotes the same economic policy that has destroyed Europe's economies.

Yes, I seem to remember somewhere in my economics text book that living within your means and not spending more than you have is a horrible recipe for economic recovery. Thanks for the reminder.

By the way. I'm not for austerity. I'm for a very small non-intrusive government. Kinda like what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Austerity means cutting spending I mean that we end the programs we spend the money on in the first place. Austerity measures are used when there is the likelihood of a government not being able to meet its debt obligations. I propose we eliminate the debts so there is no need to implement austerity measures, ever.

It seems that Obama is going off the deep end as MSNBC happily follows. All his latest tirades against Romney are full of distortions, fabrications and somewhat irrational. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this for what it is.

I especially liked the one where he claims he's frugal and spends less money than any president in the last 60 years. After hearing that one, someone suggested they should throw a net over Obama.

Nerm, Neoliberalism is just a bunch of liberals realizing that conservatives got it right...

As for Obama having inherited this climate...I clearly remember the democrats having full control of congress for the last two years of the bush presidency. Bush could not sign a spending bill without it originating from congress first...out of this group of senators, I do recall one being named Obama, and he inherited all of the bills that he himself voted for! So I do feel for Obama...I feel that he deserves everything that he voted for! I feel that he deserves everything that he was aware of when he ran for president...and I feel that it is time for him to go!!!

Nerm,

We are going to have to work our way out of this mess. Investing in more Reaganomics is only going to make things worse.

Hey Nerm name one president that had a greater improvement in GDP than that of Reagan and his Reaganomics?

Obama, The Pathological Liar of the United States, is whining about someone else not telling the truth....too f*cking funny. That stupid *^%%#$ in the Oval Office and his mindless drooling minions wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the ass! Barak is so pathetically transparent in his prevarications that he has to hire koolaide drinking propagandists to come out and try to convince us to believe in his BIG LIES. ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Republican Cow Dung will Exactly FIT IN !

A 1959 reform to Florida's property tax codes dramatically lowered the rates for "agricultural" land in order to encourage more farmers to work within the urban-sprawl-ridden state. However, a loophole in the law meant that anyone could legally qualify their land as farmland by stocking it with a few cows.

As a result, the Walt Disney Corporation and Florida's other major landowners have found a way to collectively dodge $950 million a year in county taxes by hiring "Rent-a-Cow" ranchers to let their livestock graze on soggy lots and acres of carefully-mowed grass.

Even celebrities like Tom Cruise dodge property tax on their vacation homes by letting a few sheep hang out on the lawn. Though several attempts have been made to close the loophole over the years, they've been crushed by Florida's agriculture lobby every time.

Even with Bogus "High 35% of Corporate Tax",The End result in April,always the 1% paying almost nothing if to compares to average working Americans.

elliot-3020456

The wars were less than 1.5 trillion. now what about the other 4.5 spent in less than one term?

Technically, your numbers aren't correct. For example, the wars didn't cost $1.5 trillion over this term. Most likely around $350 billion. Secondly, Obama only spent $4.7 trillion, as his spending policies only took affect in 2010. Both you AND Romney's website are wrong. I went on that website myself, and it was full of bull@!$%#. For one thing, the website's numbers assume that Obama added $6 trillion to the debt in his first term. For another, it assumes that every past president has added only $6 trillion. In actuality, Obama assumed office when the debt was roughly $10.3 trillion, and his policies took affect when the debt was roughly $11.7 trillion. He's just messing with the numbers. Back to your numbers, with only $4.7 trillion in deficit spending under Obama and roughly $350 billion being for wars, the rest came from roughly $1.2 trillion for extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone (thanks to the GOP), $800 billion for the stimulus package, and most of the remaining $2.3 trillion was caused by the recession's lower revenues and higher levels of spending.

Mark L-464288

Nerm, Neoliberalism is just a bunch of liberals realizing that conservatives got it right...

Dude, you really need to learn your economic vocabulary. "Neoliberalism" refers to the economic policies of the politically conservative governments all over the world and an economic school of thought that seeks to put a modernist touch to the old classical liberal economic ideas of laissez-faire. Essentially, that means large tax cuts and deregulation, and look where that got us. Political liberals like myself favor the more conservative, demand-side Keynesian theory, which promotes fiscal responsibility in the good years and deficit spending to spur the economy in bad years.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

I appreciate a sense of humor (Obama) way more than I do some one with no humor (Romney). There are people with great personalities and people with awful personalities and there are people with great senses of humor and people with awful senses of humor - Romney has no personality and no humor. How do you get behind someone like this?

Lol... People are funny. Obama is Bush the sequel. Don't you get it?

1. Expansion of government. Check.
2. Patriot act. Check-- extended and expanded.
3. Gitmo. Check-- still open for business.
4. NDAA. Was an awful lot like Bush era policies, wasn't it?
5. Bush tax cuts. Check.
6. Bail outs for failed companies. Check.
7. Devaluation of the dollar. Check.
8. War. Check. (Even fought one without congressional approval).
9. Troop surge. Check.
10. Overuse of vacation/golfing time. Check.

So-- what was it that Obama did that was so different from Bush? Face it-- they both did 2 things (and really only 2 things) well: overspent taxpayer money and expanded government power, especially the executive. The only difference between the two is who they paid lip service too. One schmoozed the "Moral" right, the other the liberal socialists-- and neither one did anything that they promised they would. WAKE UP! You're being distracted. Republican/Democrat: two sides of one coin lying in a heap of excrement extruded by Asses and Pachyderms that have been left alone in the control room for far too long...

I guess everone is an idiot....let me post the numbers from Whitehouse.gov....

Nerm L...."Wars OFF THE BOOKS"...HOW IS THAT PSSSIBLE? Please inform all of us and the government at your leisure.

Year
Revenue taken In
Expenditures
Deficit/Surplus

IGNORE BUDGET, it means NOTHING...wht is taken in and what is spent is ALL THAT MATTERS your PHUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

1901
588
525
63

1902
562
485
77

1903
562
517
45

1904
541
584
-43

1905
544
567
-23

1906
595
570
25

1907
666
579
87

1908
602
659
-57

1909
604
694
-89

1910
676
694
-18

1911
702
691
11

1912
693
690
3

1913
714
715
−*

1914
725
726
−*

1915
683
746
-63

1916
761
713
48

1917
1,101
1,954
-853

1918
3,645
12,677
-9,032

1919
5,130
18,493
-13,363

1920
6,649
6,358
291

1921
5,571
5,062
509

1922
4,026
3,289
736

1923
3,853
3,140
713

1924
3,871
2,908
963

1925
3,641
2,924
717

1926
3,795
2,930
865

1927
4,013
2,857
1,155

1928
3,900
2,961
939

1929
3,862
3,127
734

1930
4,058
3,320
738

1931
3,116
3,577
-462

1932
1,924
4,659
-2,735

1933
1,997
4,598
-2,602

1934
2,955
6,541
-3,586

1935
3,609
6,412
-2,803

1936
3,923
8,228
-4,304

1937
5,387
7,580
-2,193

1938
6,751
6,840
-89

1939
6,295
9,141
-2,846

1940
6,548
9,468
-2,920

1941
8,712
13,653
-4,941

1942
14,634
35,137
-20,503

1943
24,001
78,555
-54,554

1944
43,747
91,304
-47,557

1945
45,159
92,712
-47,553

1946
39,296
55,232
-15,936

1947
38,514
34,496
4,018

1948
41,560
29,764
11,796

1949
39,415
38,835
580

1950
39,443
42,562
-3,119

1951
51,616
45,514
6,102

1952
66,167
67,686
-1,519

1953
69,608
76,101
-6,493

1954
69,701
70,855
-1,154

1955
65,451
68,444
-2,993

1956
74,587
70,640
3,947

1957
79,990
76,578
3,412

1958
79,636
82,405
-2,769

1959
79,249
92,098
-12,849

1960
92,492
92,191
301

1961
94,388
97,723
-3,335

1962
99,676
106,821
-7,146

1963
106,560
111,316
-4,756

1964
112,613
118,528
-5,915

1965
116,817
118,228
-1,411

1966
130,835
134,532
-3,698

1967
148,822
157,464
-8,643

1968
152,973
178,134
-25,161

1969
186,882
183,640
3,242

1970
192,807
195,649
-2,842

1971
187,139
210,172
-23,033

1972
207,309
230,681
-23,373

1973
230,799
245,707
-14,908

1974
263,224
269,359
-6,135

1975
279,090
332,332
-53,242

1976
298,060
371,792
-73,732

TQ
81,232
95,975
-14,744

1977
355,559
409,218
-53,659

1978
399,561
458,746
-59,185

1979
463,302
504,028
-40,726

1980
517,112
590,941
-73,830

1981
599,272
678,241
-78,968

1982
617,766
745,743
-127,977

1983
600,562
808,364
-207,802

1984
666,438
851,805
-185,367

1985
734,037
946,344
-212,308

1986
769,155
990,382
-221,227

1987
854,288
1,004,017
-149,730

1988
909,238
1,064,416
-155,178

1989
991,105
1,143,744
-152,639

1990
1,031,958
1,252,994
-221,036

1991
1,054,988
1,324,226
-269,238

1992
1,091,208
1,381,529
-290,321

1993
1,154,335
1,409,386
-255,051

1994
1,258,566
1,461,753
-203,186

1995
1,351,790
1,515,742
-163,952

1996
1,453,053
1,560,484
-107,431

1997
1,579,232
1,601,116
-21,884

1998
1,721,728
1,652,458
69,270

1999
1,827,452
1,701,842
125,610

2000
2,025,191
1,788,950
236,241

2001
1,991,082
1,862,846
128,236

2002
1,853,136
2,010,894
-157,758

2003
1,782,314
2,159,899
-377,585

2004
1,880,114
2,292,841
-412,727

2005
2,153,611
2,471,957
-318,346

2006
2,406,869
2,655,050
-248,181

2007
2,567,985
2,728,686
-160,701

2008
2,523,991
2,982,544
-458,553

2009
2,104,989
3,517,677
-1,412,688

2010
2,162,724
3,456,213
-1,293,489

2011
2,303,466
3,603,061
-1,299,595

2012 estimate
2,468,599
3,795,547
-1,326,948

OBAMA....by himself...

yep those are some great numbers...........

Year;
Revenues;
Expenditures;
Deficit

2009
2,104,989
3,517,677
-1,412,688

2010
2,162,724
3,456,213
-1,293,489

2011
2,303,466
3,603,061
-1,299,595

2012 estimate
2,468,599
3,795,547
-1,326,948

www.whitehouse.gov

Speaking directly to Iowans, Obama used local lingo to slam Romney: "Governor Romney came to Des Moines last week and warned of a prairie fire of debt," he said. "But he left out some facts. His speech was more like a cow pie of distortion."

Wow, talk about being UN-Presidential.

Mr. Obama must have received some marching orders from Axelrod or Emanuel. Sounds just like a Chicago politician (pugatician).

Joseph Fuller-6026503

It's always the idiots without the facts that call people idiots without facts. Talk about drinking kool-aid. "Ouch my balls"? WTF? Are you 12? #1.37 - Fri May 25, 2012 7:29 AM EDT

Joseph,

Because of GOP policies this country experienced:

- At least 14 million unemployed people

- An increase in Wall Street and corporate fraud

- An increase in predatory lending

- Millions of home foreclosures

- Trillions of dollars lost in retirement and pension investment funds

- Major Investment loss

- 2 unpaid for wars

- The lost of more than 4,000 service women and men

- Job Outsourcing

- The loss of health care benefits for millions of Americans

Can you "stomach" any more "lack of facts," or do you live with your head in the sand?

What is Romney going to do for jobs if elected, ship more jobs overseas for his 1% buddies. Mitt has fake credentials, the flip flopper is a Phony !

This president is both civilized and a fighter. I can't help but like him. I don't know how he walks that tight rope so effortlessy. Lord knows, I couldn't do it.

25walker

no offense intended, but your misrepresenting the problem. Those issues didn't come about because of a Republican administration, they came about during a republican agenda-- there's a difference. For example, the war in Iraq was something that would have happened anyway-- remember Clinton (D) bombed Iraq because (dadaDA!) he was building WMDs. That was a long time coming, a long time building. We'd essentially been at war with Iraq since Bush 1. See, you make the assumption that something that occurs on one man's watch is a result of his choice, but politics, especially international politics, is a continuum, a flow of events that create chain reactions. I'll take another example from your list-- an increase in predatory lending. That whole fiasco was an amalgamation of policies put forth by both democrats and republicans over time that were failures. Democrats (including Obama) pushed for lenient qualifications for minorities, even going to the extent of lawsuits against banks that denied minorities loans, regardless of whether they had the capability to pay it back. Republicans groaned about restrictions on the sales of mortgages on the private market and had them essentially removed. It was a perfect storm of stupidity. Feel good liberals wanting to provide for the poor minorities, while fat cat republicans wanted more $$ for their stockbroking constituents. Both were stupid ideas. To be fair, at least some republicans spoke up and pointed out that this was going to crash on their heads. Of course, when they started saying this, the Democrats had the power in congress and railroaded the Republicans, essentially in an attempted foil against Bush 2. Now we have undereducated partisans who think the whole thing was Bush 2's fault, when it was a complicated series of actions and inactions that led to the mortgage crisis -- perpetrated by members of both parties.

So please, don't be a partisan hack. There's plenty of blame for everyone.

WMG-21 -- Major cow pie in your post. No, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq under a Dem president, and we are tired of the GOPee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I?" fallacious argument. Two wrongs don't make a right, and with the Teapublicans so far to the Right they have gone off a cliff, the Dems ARE the lesser of two evils by a long shot.

Lies, and more lies are all we get from the rightwing and Romney. Growth of spending has not skyrocketed, it has been flat and lower than prior Republican administrations.

The president has never "apologized" or "appeased" (appeasement is a reference to Nazis), and this was made clear in regard to bin Laden and other terrorists -- Not to mention his policies with the wars should make Hawks very happy.

The president is not anti-free enterprise, he has spoken of his support for capitalism and free/fair market many times. Once again, based on the Stock Market and record profits enjoyed by Big Business, Wall Street should love the president.

The bottom line is Romney's plan shows nothing of business experience, since his plan is the same failed Bush-era policies of tax cuts for the rich, huge defense spending, and that will add at least 5 trillion to the debt. Why do you or other rightwingers believe Romney will good for the economy and will put our nation on the right track?

The last thing we need is a plutocrat in the White House with digits to sign whatever the oligarch wants him to sign. At least Do No Harm.

Obama/Biden - 2012!

kimH-1330542 -- Agreed. A sense of humor (wit) is a sign of intelligence. Slap stick and pranks not so much. Pranks are only funny to the prankster -- who takes pleasure in humiliating other people because that makes him feel better about himself.

Skiddy -- Maybe you're too young, or more likely you have a short memory -- Things haven't been good since Clinton.

@TruePatriot

Wow-- just wow. First off, I'm an independent, not "right winger," so cull that tongue. Secondly, if Obama was so great for business, why would the CEO of Intel have this to say about his admin?

As a result, he said, "every business in America has a list of more variables than I've ever seen in my career." If variables like capital gains taxes and the R&D tax credit are resolved correctly, jobs will stay here, but if politicians make decisions "the wrong way, people will not invest in the United States. They'll invest elsewhere."

Take factories. "I can tell you definitively that it costs $1 billion more per factory for me to build, equip, and operate a semiconductor manufacturing facility in the United States," Otellini said.

The rub: Ninety percent of that additional cost of a $4 billion factory is not labor but the cost to comply with taxes and regulations that other nations don't impose. (Cypress Semiconductor CEO T.J. Rodgers elaborated on this in an interview with CNET, saying the problem is not higher U.S. wages but antibusiness laws: "The killer factor in California for a manufacturer to create, say, a thousand blue-collar jobs is a hostile government that doesn't want you there and demonstrates it in thousands of ways.")

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20014563-38.html

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-08-25/tech/29980403_1_intel-ceo-paul-otellini-silicon-valley

And since you seem to have selective amnesia, let me remind you what Clinton did vis a vis Iraq, in his own words:

Earlier today, I ordered Americas armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear,chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

...

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq's capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.

The inspectors undertook this mission first 7.5 years ago at the end of the Gulf War when Iraq agreed to declare and destroy its arsenal as a condition of the ceasefire.

The international community had good reason to set this requirement. Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly.Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy,but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.

The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

Wow, sounds an awful lot like Bush, doesn't it??? And that's Clinton with a big fat "D" next to his name. You're a partisan hack, and it's pathetic. I mean, you immediately accused me of being a "right winger" for pointing out the flaws in 25walker's argument. It just goes to show how tightly you've willingly strapped on those blinders. I get it, you don't like the GOP. Fine. But don't sit there and act like everything's been a bed of roses with the Democrats. There was a reason for that rather significant backlash in the last congressional elections that swept them out of the house majority. Democrat-Republican: two sides of one very f*cked up coin. Rather than recognizing the bipartisan problem, everyone's latched onto their favorite team and vote straight ticket like brain-dead automatons. Party loyalty trumps the country's best interests, apparently. It's pathetic.

"Republicrat, Democran: One Party System!" -- Sage Francis

WMG-21-----The difference is Clinton just like Obama used laser guided munitions and Patriot missiles to deal with Iraq ( Obama used drones for AlQuaida and S.F. for binladen and NATO planes for Libya) instead of spending Trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives( Probably millions of innocent women and children, I know you GOPers think anybody with brown skin isn't innocent or worth protecting or worth worrying about their death) So stick that up your rear.....Democrats have a foreign policy and republicans have pet war plans to enrich Wall street investors in Boeing and General dynamics..And give the White Supremacists in the military darkies to kill so they don't blow up federal buildings;see militias on the rise every-time a Dem is in office,especially a black one..

Besides the cost of the wars Obama inherited, there was the cost of TARP that was not even agreed upon until Oct, 08 and is still being implimented. Add to that the cost of bailing out the auto industry and the stimulus efforts all while the Repubs fought to keep tax breaks for the wealthy by holding the country hostage, Obama has not spent that much money. The mess was caused by policies put into place by Bush/Cheney and the country knows it. We need more stimulus and programs that will build infrastructure and create jobs, not cutting to the bone while giving more to the top 2%. The Repusb not only destroyed the economy, they want to go back to the same failed plan..

EEngineer

If you had a clue, you would understand that even emergency spending bills end up as part of the end fiscal year accounting thus showing up in the deficit or surplus figures for that year. Second, you made no mention of the cost of the interest on the national debt during those years. During the Bush administration, interest rates on T-Bills started out near 3% and slowly diminished to about 1.5% when he left office. Obama has gotten T-bill rates to below 1% yet he is still adding to the national debt at record pace. T-bills are the nation's debt instrument long or short term and the interest they pay is what the interest we pay on the national debt. The value of the interest for any given year is the average of the interest value of outstanding T-Bills so it can range widely based on the number of long and short term instruments outstanding. The 1.4 trillion deficit from 2009 was not Bush's alone it included money that was requested by Obama from congress. For instance the 40% increase in domestic non military spending (Obama's first request as president) and the 787 billion in stimulus spending,(Obama's second request of congress). The original Bush budget for fiscal 2009 projected a 460 billion dollar deficit and as was pointed out, was voted down by the democrats and replaced with a continuing resolution for funding until Obama could submit his first budget for 2010, which was also never passed by congress.

Jennifer,

The cost of the wars was only "inherited" by Obama in the sense that they were already part of the national debt and funded through continuing resolutions instead of being part of the budget. He could have easily remedied this by submitting and pushing through a budget that included funding for the wars, but alas he did not! As far as the tax cuts go, a couple of points I need to remind you of; The Bush era tax cuts effect all income brackets except the very lowest. Under these tax cuts, approximately half of the tax paying populace payed no tax or received a full refund of taxes payed. The amount to be gleaned from ending the cuts on those making 250,000 or more would only net an additional 240 or 250 billion each year which is nothing compared to the 1.5, 1.3, 1.5, and projected 1.6 billion dollar deficits of the first four years Obama has been in office. What is worse is that spending on the wars has decreased since Obama has taken office and the Pentagon under Panetta is cutting spending without congressional mandate so defense costs are at worst staying the same but more likely are shrinking. In a breakdown of government spending, defense which has hovered around 20% of spending, has not changed, However social programs have now taken the role of the most costly portion of government spending coming in at around 22% or more of annual government expenditures. This is not counting Obama Care as it is not yet fully implemented. Once it is that number will increase significantly.

@swphilly -- I am not a "GOPer." I am an independent. I have stated that more than once. Your reading comprehension is either low to non-existent, or you're being willfully stupid. In either case, it makes your statements suspect. Quit being a partisan hack. Everyone who disagrees with you is not automatically a member of the opposite party, as much as you might like to simplify things into such an idiotic duality. And then you play the race card-- I mean, you know that's stereotypical, right? Are you trying to make liberals look retarded? Lucky for them, I know some very intelligent liberals and won't judge their entire demographic on the basis of your stoogery.

President Harry Truman in 1948: "The Republicans … will try
to make people believe that everything the Government has done for the country
is socialism. They will go to the people and say: "Did you see that social
security check you received the other day—you thought that was good for you,
didn't you? That's just too bad! That's nothing in the world but socialism. Did
you see that new flood control dam the Government is building over there for the
protection of your property? Sorry—that's awful socialism! That new hospital
that they are building is socialism. Price supports, more socialism for the
farmers! Minimum wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad for you, my
friend. Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your new car, and your
home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a television set—you are just
surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans say, 'That's a terrible thing, my
friend, and the only way out of this sinkhole of socialism is to
vote for the
Republican ticket.'" And that was 64 Years Ago!!!, the republicanCrimeCartel is still doing the same exploitation of people THEY ARE NOTORIUS FOR. Now, according to KingGeorgeTheVacuumBrained, it is called "free market" capitalism; with families in the streets and 21% Unemployment.......

Remember Fellow and Sister Americans: A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelSoldier, Rommel, is a vote Against Yours and Your Family's WellBeing

I will NEVER FORGET

it was a REPUBLICAN (chicken-Hawk) President

who told America it was every man for himself & to

BUY DUCT TAPE FOR PROTECTION against the coming missiles

after that show of infidelity & cowardice I do not understand how any person with a working brain can associate themselves with the Republican Party .

No, Bob, I think it's all the women, hispanics, college students with loans, and gay couples who the GOP has managed to alienate.

journalists then proceeded to write glowing tributes to Obama, to be published as news articles then envious conservatives write frustrated posts because their candidate is unlovable.

distortion? absolutely. But it's no crime, instead it's free speech (backed up by tons of money), according to the Supreme Court interpretation of constitution.

For the poor, they also have free speech, but not with as much money support though.

Anyone wanting to avoid your government mandated vaginal probe at your own expense would cheer, Bob.

Romney would cream his fake jeans to hear crowds yell that out to him. Well, no time for that. He's got to get ready to hang out with the King of the Birthers, Donald Trump.

Want to have an idea where we are headed? Look at Kansas. They just enacted a plan to cut spending, raise taxes for the poor and middle class and give the rich another tax break. This is what the Republicans want to do, this is their platform. Does anyone out there really think their boss deserves more money? I'm not even talking about the 1%, just think about your boss. Does that guy/girl really deserve more money? Now quantify his salary by 100 and answer that question.

They forgot to mention they were paid... haha

Romney is gaining on Obama across the country. Obama led by 8 points in Jan and now leads by 4 points. It's still over 5 months until the election in Nov a lifetime in political terms. In several Democrat primaries as many as 40 percent of the Democrat voters have voted for others on the ballot. A felon in jail in another state got 40% of the vote in one primary and in another case 40 % voted for "none of the above" rather than vote for Obama.

Obama has good reason to be running scared.

In several Democrat primaries as many as 40 percent of the Democrat voters have voted for others on the ballot. A felon in jail in another state got 40% of the vote in one primary and in another case 40 % voted for "none of the above" rather than vote for Obama.

yeah, in WEST VIRGINIA and KENTUCKY! Obama need neither of these states to win the presidential election and his lead in terms of electoral votes is massive.

Oh, and we haven't even had one single debate yet...

DrowningGrover

Oh, and we haven't even had one single debate yet...

Romney couldn't debate the peeps on his side without looking like his head was about to explode. It will be interesting to see how he handles himself against President Obama. I'll bet 10,000 bucks that he will not be able to handle the President.

$5,000,000,000!! Yep $5 trillion,

Your number there is five billion, just sayin'.

No Child Left Behind.

Oh darn, I left out three zeros. Its 5,000,000,000,000.

And Ruken; You're rude, so bite me. I noticed this BEFORE you posted. See my later post on page 9.

A US Senate Committee is poised to discuss a bill that will give Israel one of the largest aid package ever received.

The United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012, which is going under scrutiny at the Foreign Relations Committee, is expected to expand military links between the two countries and provide Israel with aircraft and special munitions.

Reports also state that the bill will allow Israel to have access to pictures from US spy satellites and extend US loan guarantees to Israel until 2015. In return, Israel will open Israeli air space for US Force exercise.

Special munitions could include bunker-busting bombs. Israel has sought an air-refuelling capacity as a means to cover the distance to Iran in the case of a strike.

"This bill has received the blessing of the Obama administration, which sees it as a conciliatory gesture towards Israel in advance of the agreement with Iran, about which Israel has already begun to express reservations," a source told Globes Online, a website covering Israel business news.

It represents a significant addition to the $1 billion for the missile defence system Israel is developing with the US, the $3.1 billion in regular annual military aid and $70 million for procurement of Iron Dome rocket interception batteries.

A similar bill has already been passed by the House of Representatives earlier this month, despite the opposition of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, who called it "another piece of one-sided and counter-productive foreign policy legislation".

"This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East," he addressed the House. "It will implicitly authorize much more US interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both."

According to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, however, who sponsored the bill, the Cooperation Act "reaffirms Israel's right to defend itself against threats and puts Congress on the record about America's longstanding commitment to the U.S.-Israel strategic relationship.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/344551/20120523/israel-ron-paul-united-states-enhanced-security.htm

WW 3 is just around the corner, its no secret the middle east is going to be involved. Only problem is the US and Israel are the aggressors.

And how would o'bummer recognize a cowpie to begin with? Oh yeah, he's the bull$hitter-in-chief.

He rails against romney having experience in corporate buyouts but o'bummer is known for his corporate bailouts that had no positive lasting results. It's been nearly three years since his recession ended and the economy is no better than before.

And yet again!

Look what you people did! There were too many points noting obama's failures and not enough bush bashing and this whole thing got collapsed. When will you learn that msnbc can't and won't tolerate negative comments against his highness?

I'm ready to start weeping here...."We Love You, Mr. President...We Love You". How touching and surely a needed entry on any actual journalist's news story.

"We Love You Mr. President...You're So Special...Be Mine"...time to break out the boxes of the little candy Valentine's Day hearts.

Nothing like yucking it up with a cow pie throwing prez. The dude is cool, he did drugs, community organized, voted present, and look at him now he is the POTUS. Well I guess when you elect the most unqualified person ever to sit in the oval office, why should we expect more from Obama then tossing out cow pies? To look at the hysteria from his supporters created by Obama saying cow pie, just think what would happen if he had followed it up with a goo goo gaga. If Obama had a record to run on, he would.

If Romney gets in the 1% gets more aid and the middle class eats dog food, the poor will die in the streets and Mitt + Gop TeaReTards will push old woman over the cliff !

Well I guess when you elect the most unqualified person ever to sit in the oval office, why should we expect more from Obama then tossing out cow pies?

Education:

Obama- Columbia Political Science Degree and Harvard law degree. Spent his free time as the first african-american Editor of Harvard Law Review

Bush 2 -Barely passed at Yale, with a BA in History, accepted because he was a legacy, and was denied to U of Texas Law school. MBA from Harvard. Spent his free time as a cheerleader.

Career:

Obama: With his degree in law, he became a civil rights lawyer with a solid record of winning cases.

Bush 2: With his degree in business, he became a businessman.

Arbusto- lost money

Spectrum 7- lost money

Harken Energy- made a modest amount of money, then tanked. Bush somehow managed to sell every one of his shares only weeks prior to the collapse.

Bought Texas Rangers- promptly traded Sammy Sosa to White Socks

Early Political experience:

Obama: Senator for State of Illinois, and U. S. Senator of Illinois.

Bush: Governor of Texas, for 1 Term. Texas has the weakest governor of any of the 50 states. The lt. Governor of Texas actually wields more political power. In that time, managed to break the execution record for the state.

speaker and Author:

Obama: So articulate that the telepromptor is blamed for his effective speeches and it is rumored that another person wrote his books prior to the presidency.

Bush 2: A book, over 300 pages long called the bush dyslexicon was composed entirely of his mis-quotes. He wrote no books prior to his presidency.

So, I guess Obama is the most unqualified president the United States has had in approximately 3 years.

"We Love You Mr. President...You're So Special...Be Mine"...time to break out the boxes of the little candy Valentine's Day hearts.

Yep... Conservatives really hate it when Liberals operate from page one of the "Reagan Catechism & Genuflection Manual"

Just wait until Michelle Obama consults ASTROLOGERS and then watch the "Knee Jerk Crowd" go ballistic & their heads explode !

Don't choke on it or anything. We'd hate to lose a great mind like yours.

Yeah, On page 2,731 in the fine Obi-care print...... they don't cover choking

If you are going to say that the slow economic recovery is all Obama's fault then ok. I guess you can say that, although it doesn't make sense to me blaming one man but ok then. But, by your logic you must admit that Obama got Bin Laden. No, Obama wasn't on Seal Team 6, but then again neither is he out there firing people either. Obama didn't fly the helicopter, but he isn't out there killing demand either. You cannot blame Obama for all the economies woes and then not give him credit for what has gone right in his 4 years in office, unless your just a partisan idiot.

Actually, the slow recovery was largely caused by the austerity measures forced by the Republicans. The WORST thing any government can do during an economic slowdown is to get stingy. Don't believe me? Do a little reading about the Great Depression and Hoover's response to its run-up.

So: who is to blame for the poor economic recovery? And it won't get much better until the government begins to put a little more money into the economy. Investing in updating and overhauling our infrastructure would be a good start. It's a time-proven strategy. The only people who won't acknowledge that are Boehner and his acolytes. I say, Out with them all!

bfitz,

who do you think paid for the ships,aircraft, tanks, trucks and guns to fight WWII?.......the US Government. So exactly what is your point other than you don't like democrates and progressives?????????

Bfitz, you obviously have never opened a history book, and have no understanding of how long-term public investment works. If you did, you'd know that every country experiencing an economic slowdown, from the US to Britain to Romania to Ghana, and everyone in between, has successfully used investment into infrastructure to dig their way out of a recession.

As for dumping on one of our very best Presidents? FDR is considered to be one of our top Presidents because he formed and implemented a workable strategy for economic relief, recovery and reform, and IT WORKED. By the time WWII began, the U.S. economy was well on the way to recovery.

So whereas Hoover tried to resolve a recession by choking off government spending and only succeeded in turning a bad economy into the mother of all depressions, FDR invested public money into public projects and turned it around, pulling the US out of an economic morass. Unemployment dropped from 25% to 15% before the war began. Ever hear of the TVA, and the effect that had on the economy? Any claim that FDR's policies didn't work is a brazen lie straight out of the Republican playbook.

The last thing this country needs is more Hoover-types legislating their half-baked, ideology-based but economically disastrous theories. Out with the Republicans!

Dem in Texas-2291575

If you are going to say that the slow economic recovery is all Obama's fault then ok

what's interesting is that during the 8 years of massive Bush spending, none of them said boo. Now that Obama has to dig this nation out of a $hit hole, they complain that it's not fast enouth.

Apparently, some here don't realize that it is easier to go to hell than it is to come back from it.

Apparently, some here don't realize that Obama's growth in goverment spending is waaaay less than Bush2, Bush1 and Reagan.

Compared to GB1, GB2 and Reagan, Obama is actually embracing fiscal conservatism more than any other president in recent history, with the exception of Bill Clinton.

"Four or five years ago it was you who kept us going when pundits had written us off,” he told the audience. “In front porches, in backyards, our movement for change began."

And we are still waiting for the CHANGE to happen. I guess that is the HOPE part he was talking about.

The reality is that I HOPE I still have some CHANGE left after his gets sent packing in a few months.

A US Senate Committee is poised to discuss a bill that will give Israel one of the largest aid package ever received.

The United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012, which is going under scrutiny at the Foreign Relations Committee, is expected to expand military links between the two countries and provide Israel with aircraft and special munitions.

Reports also state that the bill will allow Israel to have access to pictures from US spy satellites and extend US loan guarantees to Israel until 2015. In return, Israel will open Israeli air space for US Force exercise.

Special munitions could include bunker-busting bombs. Israel has sought an air-refuelling capacity as a means to cover the distance to Iran in the case of a strike.

"This bill has received the blessing of the Obama administration, which sees it as a conciliatory gesture towards Israel in advance of the agreement with Iran, about which Israel has already begun to express reservations," a source told Globes Online, a website covering Israel business news.

It represents a significant addition to the $1 billion for the missile defence system Israel is developing with the US, the $3.1 billion in regular annual military aid and $70 million for procurement of Iron Dome rocket interception batteries.

A similar bill has already been passed by the House of Representatives earlier this month, despite the opposition of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, who called it "another piece of one-sided and counter-productive foreign policy legislation".

"This bill will not help the United States, it will not help Israel, and it will not help the Middle East," he addressed the House. "It will implicitly authorize much more US interventionism in the region at a time when we cannot afford the foreign commitments we already have. It more likely will lead to war against Syria, Iran, or both."

According to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, however, who sponsored the bill, the Cooperation Act "reaffirms Israel's right to defend itself against threats and puts Congress on the record about America's longstanding commitment to the U.S.-Israel strategic relationship.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/344551/20120523/israel-ron-paul-united-states-enhanced-security.htm

I hope you feel better soon, if not, hope you have healthcare because under Romney & Ryan you won't have anything! But, since you are already sick, most insurance companies won't insurance you anyway or if they do, they won't cover anything. As an RN I have seen that act thousands of times. President Obama has helped millions of Americans get healthcare for themselves and their children with disabilities and teens in college. Romney has never done a good, noble, honorable thing in his entire life. He is no patriot, he is a selfish bully and worse robber baron plutocrat ever.

Hope and change. And I have to say I'm shocked @deminTexas, I didn't know there were any democrats in Texas. I sure haven't met any. You must get some funny looks out in public, huh?

There are hundreds of thousands of us!! And Austin, the state's capitol, and Travis County, the county the capitol is in, has pretty much always been a democratic stronghold. But you can continue in your ignorance. Here in Texas we democrats ignore folks like you.

Women Against Romney

And bush's 8 year term was just simply a pile of cow sh*t. FACT.

nina,

And that opinion is from one person in the second largest state in the union.

thanny,

"And bush's 8 year term was just simply a pile of cow sh*t. FACT." No, not a FACT, just your OPINION. There is a difference you know.

New poll say Obama numbers suffer with middle class UNEDUCATED white voters. And this is NEWS?

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

Obama 2012

I don't blame Obama for the start of the recession, but I do think his policies and leadership style have significantly slowed the recovery. To me, he appears to be generally anti-business (except the ones he wants to select as winners), extremely partisan and angry in general.

As to austerity measures...the amount of money the federal government spends has increased significantly every year. We have not implemented austerity measures, unless your definition of austerity is "not getting to spend as much money as you can think of spending". Even the "cuts" are just reductions in the amount of budgeted increases every year - and those increases still exceed the projected GDP growth rate.

As to the stimulus concept - the problem I see is, politicians are not good at spending our money on items that result in future economic growth (i.e.; following Keynesian theory). From what I've been able to find out, only about 10 or 15% of the last stimulus was spent on infrastructure projects. If we had a stimulus plan that was focused solely on infrastructure I would support it - but what I see is politicians taking the vast majority and spending it on pet projects in their community such as the multi-million dollar turtle crossing they built in my home town.

Ron in Seattle-2190928-2190938

New poll say Obama numbers suffer with middle class UNEDUCATED white voters. And this is NEWS?

Calling others stupid may make you feel better, but it doesn't make you smarter...

Your right Richard I sould have said Bush's 8 year pile of cow sh*t term put us into a resession. FACT.

Ron-1861300

I don't blame Obama for the start of the recession, but I do think his policies and leadership style have significantly slowed the recovery.

and your other option is Romney, the guy who wants to go back to the Bush-like policies? The guy who is surrounding himself with Bush advisors?

I'll take the slow recovery (which is further slowed down by the global problems & a Republican bottleneck) than going backwards.

I'm not sure Romney is the answer, but to me, Obama seems more round 2 of GWB when it comes to the economy.

Ah but Nina, all you living in the wonderful section 8, liberal hippy paradises in Texas don't tend to vote much, do you? I guess not being able to ride on welfare would make you kind of protective of your patron. Austin and Houston are like any other big city in the U.S., there is a nice part for the tourists and travellers, where the cops patrol and weed out the local lowlifes, and then there are the other areas. Try going to Washington D.C., even our nation's capital is layed out like that.

Ron in Seattle...

I almost forgot...Mr. Obama's core voting blocs in 2008 were comprised of all the smartest and most highly educated folks in the land...correct ???

Before insulting the educations and intelligence of those who vote differently than you do...take a peek at the groups who overwhelming vote the same way you do. There are more than a few rocket scientists missing from your group of fellow voters.

Ron-1861300

I don't blame Obama for the start of the recession, but I do think his policies and leadership style have significantly slowed the recovery. To me, he appears to be generally anti-business (except the ones he wants to select as winners), extremely partisan and angry in general.

Ugh, Ron, how exactly is Obama anti-business??? By asking that corporations pay their fair share in taxes and trying to reward businesses that create jobs IN America instead of overseas??? By asking to remove unnecessary and expensive subsidies for oil and gas companies that those corporate heads stated that they did not need??? By giving small businesses tax credits and adding over 4 million more employees and their households to the consumer market??? Please, that does not sound anti-business to me.

As to austerity measures...the amount of money the federal government spends has increased significantly every year.

Technically, spending has plateaued under the Obama administration, and the main driver of this increase in spending was the increase in spending on safety nets due to the recession.

We have not implemented austerity measures, unless your definition of austerity is "not getting to spend as much money as you can think of spending". Even the "cuts" are just reductions in the amount of budgeted increases every year - and those increases still exceed the projected GDP growth rate.

Technically, we have ordered austerity for the defense budget, as we are scheduled to reduced the budget by a trillion over the next decade. Obama has even advocated for a defense budget that is at least the same as the previous year. And by the way, I'd love to see how (assuming that GDP grows at 2.5% this year) the current $3.8 trillion budget increases by $380 billion next year.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

CNN is such a joke. I don't know if you have noticed this, but they only post really 1950's, "Leave it to Beaver" statements in their comment sections. This is not free speech, or anything close to it. It's a complete and utter joke. They are the McDonald's of the news world. The are a high-fat and high-sugar restaurant chain that is guaranteed to kill you dead with diabetes and high colesterol, not so unsimilar to a daily diet of weak rat poison. Ted Turner is the biggest joke. Nancy Grace is indicative of their weak shtick. She vomits up her own food, and re-eats it.

Al in Visalia CA

I'll be happy to send you a box of Charmin when President Obama wins in 2012. Oh heck, I'll even throw in a box of kleenex.

Skiddy

Such an adult! Wow, I didn't realize that adults act like little children, but then again, you have it down to a science.

Skiddy,,,is that taken from marks on your skivies? Sure sounds like a lot of crap.

ItsAboutTime-3704531 - You know better than to say the "S" word around Neo/Con/Tea people...it drives them insane.

still can't decide which is funnier, baggers on fox or koolaid drinkers on here...

third party now! oh forgot, FACT!

Al, the president wouldn't know what you were talking about. He has most likely never set foot on a farm. He thinks food comes from mcdonalds and the grocery store

By his choice of words - ther is a huge difference between "prairie fire" and "cowpies"- Obama clearly shows what kind of people he is addressing. Not just in Iowa, but everywhere he goes, he freely distorts Romney's recod and throws in a populist expression or two, like "fair share" etc. He knows that the crowds he wants do not check up on facts like the one that Romney had been out of Bain for two years by the time they closed down. You see those people on this board, too. Full of regurgitated fallacies, but forceful by all absense of doubt.

No, not workers UNITE FORWARD, it is primarily welfare recipients, people without high school diplomas and those extremely rich who do not bother to research what this President says but will vote for him because he "speaks their language." Their reasons are emotional and I worry. France went Socialist, Obama is trying his best to follow suit and I know from my own experience and from history that no regime has ever restricted personal freedom as much as the one calling itself "social" or socialist. Anyone ever hear of "National Socialist ?" Anyone know that they got their entrance into politics by teaming up with the Socialists ? Well, there are too many like our trolls here who just refuse to research their own assertions.

Your so full of it. Right now, I can go downtown, walk the sidewalk and hand out leaflets sharing my faith and talking to people about a relationship with Jesus Christ. No one stops me, Obama doesn't stop me, some people going to bars might make comments, no National Socialist has yet to stop me in 3+ years, No police, no nothing. While I am out there, downtown, there are gays holding hands, interracial couples, druggies, bangers coming out of bars with rings on their noses and eyebrows, transvestites and who knows what else. So can you enhance for me your explanation of HOW IN THE HELL OBAMA HAS RESTRICTED PERSONAL FREEDOMS?????????????

Only to counter the steaming, piled-high horse manure Bozobama's been piling up for over three years now.

Mr. Backfire,

You're betting on the wrong horse. "The Amateur" will rip your candidate to shreds. You do realize there was not one GOP candidate who is capable of beating Barry, don't you? I'll bet you didn't even vote for, or want Mitt, to be the nominee. But you're stuck with him. Barry will win, and while you will not realize it, that will serve you better than the alternative. I look forward to hearing from you in November.

"Barry will win" can you have a some respect for our President of the United States, please. Whether one agree or not with his policies we should all remain respectful. Talk the issues and no mudslinging.

Oh, so they do plan on rigging the elections...........

of course.

your side always does...

who says liberals can't be sneaky, too.

This will be a close race. Hilarious that all you claim a landslide on both sides.

backfire

"The Amateur" is desparate. Romney will win big. The Looters will get routed this time : Senate, House, & President Romney. Get used to that name.

Now this is funny. Have you ever noticed how Republicans identify traits in themselves then project them on Democrats? I really liked "The Looters" part coming from a Romney supporter. That's great!

"When the show you who they are...believe them!"

@Grancanyon, if there was no mudslinging on here there would be no posts.

Gran...

With the hateful and disrespectful words attached to nearly any Republican politician on this site...and the examples are as ugly as they are endless...you take offense to someone calling the current president "Barry"...the name he used for the first twenty-some odd years of his life, before he decided "Barack" had better cache.

just give one example of how Republican rhetoric has corrupted the popular mind - Once in a town-hall meeting conducted by a democrat, there was one attendee shouting at the congressman (or big-government liberal) that he didn't want big government to touch his Medicare - which ironically has been a popular government program.

American democracy works, but people, corrupted by sickening conservative rhetoric, have lost COMMON SENSE.

Pigotry: Talk about big money. Try Obama campaign $114 Mil and Romney campaign $77 mil. The presidencey is up for the higher bidder.

I hate politics in general, but republicans are the worst of the worst! They are evil!

cet...

Quite an intelligent comment...so you must be right. Every single person in the nation who is registered as a Republican voter absolutely must be an "evil" person...no exceptions.

Brilliant writing....just brilliant. I'm nominating you for a Pullitzer Prize.

With the Pulitzer Prize awarded to Obama (nominated for award even before he took office), cetj just might win !

The drool emanating from his/her/its mouth will be priceless !!

In Libbie Land, if you think differently than we do .....YOU MUST BE EVIL !!!!!!!

When Bush cut taxes, he argued for trickle-down economics, but money is a coward, the rich took their money and ran away to Cayman Islands. There is recession, worst since the Great Depression

When Clinton slightly raised taxes, an energetic government directing an 'invest and grow' policy led to prosperity.

Bush came on and did not have imagination, thinking that just cutting taxes would do the trick - what a loser, the joke is on the American middle class through the recession - because the rich always have financial security.

Pigotry,

What about obama's Public Equity, is that something that could be fair play.

Since taking office, Obama has invested billions of taxpayer dollars in private businesses, including as part of his stimulus spending bill. Many of those investments have turned out to be unmitigated disasters — leaving in their wake bankruptcies, layoffs, criminal investigations and taxpayers on the hook for billions. Consider just a few examples of Obama’s public equity failures:

● Raser Technologies. In 2010, the Obama administration gave Raser a $33 million taxpayer-funded grant to build a power plant in Beaver Creek, Utah. According to the Wall Street Journal, after burning through our tax dollars, the company filed for bankruptcy protection in 2012. The plant now has fewer than 10 employees, and Raser owes $1.5 million in back taxes.

● ECOtality. The Obama administration gave ECOtality $126.2 million in taxpayer money in 2009 for, among other things, the installation of 14,000 electric car chargers in five states. Obama even hosted the company’s president, Don Karner, in the first lady’s box during the 2010 State of the Union address as an example of a stimulus success story. According to ECOtality’s own SEC filings, the company has since incurred more than $45 million in losses and has told the federal government, “We may not achieve or sustain profitability on a quarterly or annual basis in the future.”

Worse, according to CBS News the company is “under investigation for insider trading,” and Karner has been subpoenaed “for any and all documentation surrounding the public announcement of the first Department of Energy grant to the company.”

● Nevada Geothermal Power (NGP). The Obama administration gave NGP a $98.5 million taxpayer loan guarantee in 2010. The New York Times reported last October that the company is in “financial turmoil” and that “[a]fter a series of technical missteps that are draining Nevada Geothermal’s cash reserves, its own auditor concluded in a filing released last week that there was ‘significant doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern.’ ”

● First Solar. The Obama administration provided First Solar with more than $3 billion in loan guarantees for power plants in Arizona and California. According to a Bloomberg Businessweek report last week, the company “fell to a record low in Nasdaq Stock Market trading May 4 after reporting $401 million in restructuring costs tied to firing 30 percent of its workforce.”

● Abound Solar, Inc. The Obama administration gave Abound Solar a $400 million loan guarantee to build photovoltaic panel factories. According to Forbes, in February the company halted production and laid off 180 employees.

● Beacon Power. The Obama administration gave Beacon — a green-energy storage company — a $43 million loan guarantee. According to CBS News, at the time of the loan, “Standard and Poor’s had confidentially given the project a dismal outlook of ‘CCC-plus.’ ” In the fall of 2011, Beacon received a delisting notice from Nasdaq and filed for bankruptcy.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. A company called SunPower got a $1.2 billion loan guarantee from the Obama administration, and as of January, the company owed more than it was worth. Brightsource got a $1.6 billion loan guarantee and posted a string of net losses totaling $177 million. And, of course, let’s not forget Solyndra — the solar panel manufacturer that received $535 million in taxpayer-funded loan guarantees and went bankrupt, leaving taxpayers on the hook.

Amazingly, Obama has declared that all the projects received funding “based solely on their merits.” But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” Collectively, these Obama cronies raised $457,834 for his campaign, and they were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.35 billion. Obama said this week it’s not the president’s job “to make a lot of money for investors.” Well, he sure seems to have made a lot of (taxpayer) money for investors in his political machine.

All that cronyism and corruption is catching up with the administration. According to Politico, “The Energy Department’s inspector general has launched more than 100 criminal investigations” related to the department’s green-energy programs.

Now the man who made Solyndra a household name says Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital “is what this campaign is going to be about.” Good luck with that, Mr. President. If Obama wants to attack Romney’s alleged private equity failures as chief executive of Bain, he’d better be ready to defend his own massive public equity failures as chief executive of the United States.

And Mark Twain said "What is the chief end of man? - to get rich. In what way? -dishonestly if he can; honestly if he must".

Another delusional little teapublican parrot..

One,.. presidents don't "spend tax payer money", congress does, through spending appropriations.

Two, the major parts of the healthcare bill won't even take effect until 2014..

Three, you're a mindless right wing stooge...

There,.. I feel better already..

You sound like you afraid you gona lose your hand out when Obama gets voted out. There ...we both feel better now dont we left wing stooge. LMAO

Joe You are not informed about the economics of our government or you couldn't make the statement you just made. Another uninformed Republican who thinks thinks that trickle down economics will happen and he will become rich like Romney. You better have a rich Daddy to support you because uneducated people like you are eventually discovered.

Name us 2 things Obama has done to help the economy.

Joe- Watch FOX much?

Chad: And that's your final question to a question. Really!! Answer the question.

Joe - Again I usually don't respond to those that are misinformed however, you asked a question, here you go. Stimulus(yes I know you will argue it didn't work or it was a failure) kept the unemployment rate from climbing above 9%. Incentives for businesses that create jobs and for Cooporations that bring jobs back from overseas. How about the bill to help slow down foreclosures. There are more but you only asked for two. I gave you one more as a bonus. If you don't know how they help the economy, I'll be more than happy to break it down for you.

You sound like you afraid you gona lose your hand out when Obama gets voted out. There ...we both feel better now dont we left wing stooge. LMAO

Listen you insulting inflammatory closed minded little twerp, I'll match what I pay in taxes ANY DAY to what you pay.

Sit down and shut up. You have no idea what you are talking about.

DOW up 5000 points.

Unemployment down to 8.1 from 10.2

GM and US Auto industry alive.

OBL Dead.

Romney ... toast.

Look at history the market has gone up and down many times. Even after the great depression it went up when everything stayed the same.

We were told that if the stemulus was passed unemployment would not go above 8% Well it went to 10.2% and hasn't gotten below 8%

GM could have done what FORD did. Oh and what about the investors who had their retirement in GM being put behind UNIONS. What do those thouands of retirees do now that they don't have their money??

All the president had to do was so GO. If the last demcoratic presidet had used that word 9/11 would never have happened.

Look at history if you think this recession was bad then you weren't here during the Carter years. Gas rationing and long lines. When he left office unemployment was above 12%

Also look at what the preious presidents have done during the recessions. JFK, Reagan and Clinton all lowered tax rates. But they also reformed the tax codes closing the looopholes which brought in more revenue. Bush did lower taxes but without closing the loophles companies like GE were still able to not pay anything in taxes.

mj, it''s always the ones on government assistance that says stupid stuff like that.... let it go, no need to worry, you have a job, just like most of us libs! We pay our taxes and don't whine about it!

We were told that if the stemulus was passed unemployment would not go above 8% Well it went to 10.2% and hasn't gotten below 8%

False. Politifact showed that that was a major lie. Only a couple of Obama's economic staff said that, and even they said that that was an estimate.

GM could have done what FORD did. Oh and what about the investors who had their retirement in GM being put behind UNIONS. What do those thouands of retirees do now that they don't have their money??

The banks could have avoided making risky bets, but look what happened. And by the way, Ford established a line of credit before the recession; GM couldn't. Besides, I think it's time for the private sector unions to have something to be proud about. And by the way, no retiree would pile all of their money into one stock. At most, those retirees (along with all the wealthy Wall Street brokers and traders) lost a portion of their retirement, but saw it go up in other areas of the market as the economy gradually recovered.

All the president had to do was so GO. If the last demcoratic presidet had used that word 9/11 would never have happened.

General Dwight D. Eisenhower only had to say go for the D-Day invasions, yet we still credit him with the victory. What is so different with Obama??? Is that because he did something that the neocons dreamed of doing??? Hahaha. Obama deserves the credit, as do the men who participated in that raid. By the way, all Bush had to do was say GO, but he didn't. Just accept it that a Democrat has bested the GOP at their own foreign policy game. Plus he would have shouldered the blame that YOU righties would have thrown at him had the mission failed. So shut the hell up, Joe. You are just blathering nonsense.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Freshieee, Agree 100% ! >>>>>>>>>>> "OBAMA/2012" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

President Romney. The dog club need a new president. Sorry that job is not available either. And someone was right when he said he walks like a French poodle. I was really looking to respond to someone who erringly said the deficit has been going up each year. He needs to look at the deficit. No it hasn't!!!! And will really go down in 2013 if the republicans and everyone else keep their Mitts off it. No pun intended.

The deficit "will really go down in 2013" ???

According to whom ???

tony-268769

The deficit "will really go down in 2013" ???

According to whom ???

The CBO.

All Bushes fault isnt it?

JEFF: Excellent post. Thanks for listing it all in simple terms.

The distortions that Republicans in general and Romney in particular are willing to foist on the American people are positively shameless.

That is because Obama raised it by a huge amount his first year in office and has kept that insane spending going on. The only way this works is because they are blaming Bush for the stimulus. The stimulus was all Obama. Just more distortion of the truth from the left. Not to mention that the only reason spending is dropping recently is because the republicans have been fighting Obama every step of the way. Why doesn't Obama take credit for the surrender of Japan to end World War II as well. It is just as accurate. I guess you can't blame Bush for anything. I can just blame everything on LBJ or Carter.

JOE: Now that you mention it, it is Bush's fault. Bush and a GOP Congress who were supposedly "fiscall conservative" but in reality pissed away billions like there was no tomorrow.

If you doubt me, look into how often you hear Bush's name mentioned by the GOP and Romney in particular. How about NEVER. That's right, your party NEVER mentions his name and with good reason. The people of this nation hold Bush personally responsible for the disaster we've been enduring for the last 5 years. The GOP knows that his name is TOXIC and means certain loss to Romney.

You know how Romney refers to him? He calls him "Obama's predecessor", he won't even utter his name. He knows only too well that this nation wants nothing to do with that momumental loser.

PutAmericaFirst... Seriousy, you need to do some independent research before you just come here spewing whatever crap Fux and Rush fed you today. jeffking has presented REAL documented numbers.

put 'merka first -

Either you can't read,.. or can't comprehend..

Ask mom for help. She knows..

""• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.""

AMERICA FIRST: (oh, how I love these stirring and jingoistic screen names you girls on the Right feel obligated to dream up.)

You are collasally mistaken my friend. Bush actually began the bailout and stimulus which happens to be one of the few things he did correctly.

Secondly, you are of course aware that one third, I repeat ONE THIRD of the stimulus was in the form of guess what? TAX CUTS, that's what. I thought the Right lived for tax cuts and that they will solve all our nations problems. So you should be cheering the Stimulus instead of trying to smear Obama for it.

Jeff, that explanation is very clear, and I finally understand why the deficit has grown despite the fact that spending has only grown a little. We're not collecting taxes! There may be some expenses that we can and should cut, but we have to let those tax cuts expire soon.

Y'all can argue all you want about the stimulus, but it's a big part of the reason that we are not in the same boat as Spain and Greece right now. Austerity measures don't work when the country is in a recession. We can truly thank Bush for starting two wars and cutting taxes at the same time. Obama should have stuck to his guns about letting those tax cuts expire--but the Republicans were holding the extension of unemployment benefits over his head, remember?

JEFF KING!!!!

WASHINGTON

would be ashamed.

laugh too hard. crack'em 4 ribs (i miss nothing. if i did. i would be dead. see my picture. i live. i see EVERYTHING from up here.

REVELATIONS:267™

I can read just fine. I can also discern when what I am reading is a pile of cow pie. Normally the author would be correct. The president doesn't make too many changes to the proposed budget from the prior president. That is what the author bases his assumptions on. The difference is that Obama was very active in his first few months and he pushed through the stimulus. It is asinine to attribute the $800 billion stimulus to Bush, but that is what the author does. Instead of having the stimulus be a one time shot in the arm and have the government drop back to normal levels, we have continued to pay about $800 billion more each year than we were projected to. The republicans have helped ensure that even more of a burden wasn't placed on our children.

I think you need to visit with a real account on these numbers.

PAF and you know that most of Obama's 800 odd billion TARP stimulus money got returned by the industry right ?

This is absolutely false and basically disinformation. BO and the government continue to add to the deficit at over 2 billion dollars a month and this can easily be checked by going to the CBO website. Libitard misinformation big time... This is something anyone can easily check... If you reelect BO then we will head into a fiscal hole that we will not recover from.

thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/150737-cbo-obama-budget-worse-than-claimed-on-deficit

It is asinine to attribute the $800 billion stimulus to Bush, but that is what the author does.

Gee, I remember this pretty vividly. It was Bush (well actually Cheney as I recall). The collapse happened in October. The Congress and Fed had emergency meetings. Congress refused the money and they basically had to be strong armed into supporting it. When they saw the markets and world economy in free fall the following week, they agreed.

It's only been a few years ago. Early onset Alzheimer's, PutAmericaFirst?

Government spending increased to a unsustainable level and nothing has been done by either party to reduce it. Spin it any way you want but that is the truth. I don't believe the president wants to reduce spending and if he doesn't reduce spending more taxes will be necessary, I also don't believe the republicans want to reduce spending their solution lowering taxes. In my view neither side is being honest with the people and their followers are nincompoops. Taxing the "rich" will not make a dent in the current rate of spending, it is nothing more than a feel good policy to distract the more simple minded followers, reducing taxes without real reform making the lower rates valid and collectible is more of the same and again appeals to the more simple minded ideologues. The real danger to this country would be if the policies you simpletons are espousing were enacted. The answer to our problems is honest leadership and in the case of these candidates and their followers is lacking.

The truth is both sides are lying, manipulating the stats on technicalities to buttress their claims of being responsible. Look at the facts folks, we are taking in more money and spending more money than ever before. The recovery is a bust. We are borrowing money at a interest rate that cannot go on forever. Someday when the interest rates recover will will be faced with interest payments that will be enormous. Both party's, not one, have been passing the buck for decades and for the most part are misleading the people again and expect them to pick up the cow pie they are selling and take a big bite. The followers here who are parroting their talking points have it all over their face and their breath reeks of partisan cow pie. Think folks, your head may hurt for a while but I know you can do it, demand better, expect more, piss on the republicans and democrats they are power hungry opportunists who will gladly give all of us the buggering of a lifetime.

mj...

The TARP program was put forward to deal with the failing banking industry...he had nothing to do with the so-called 'stimulus' plan.

We're not too biased, now are we???

Not any more than you.....probably less. I don't really like the republicans either.

It only amplifies his lack of experience for the job. He just doesn't know what to do anymore for the millions still unemployed. He's tried the stimulus, he's bailed out GM, he's failed at starting a business (Solyndra) and he's just trying to not get fired from his job.

@ PutAmericaFirst -

Isn't Ronmey doing the same thing? I'm just saying. Obama has given several solutions to help get the economy but the "Party of No" will not even allow any of his ideas to come up for a vote let alone discussion. Yes I know who is in control of the senate and like i've said before, Reid is smarter than you think. I have an idea, How about Romney make up his own ideas instead of what the "establishment" dictates to him.

DOW up 5000 points.

Unemployment down to 8.1 from 10.2

GM and US Auto industry alive.

OBL Dead.

Romney ... toast.

How profound Joe. Did you spend all evening working on this post???

I been knowing this for years because I use to be one. LMAO.. I said use to be I work now.

Romney should be so lucky ~ GOPers are questioning a lot of what Mitt tells them (and that is very damned little) plus about half of the Republican stock doesn't even like Mitt. He's behind in virtually every demographic (except Southern white good ol' boys) and can't close the deal. Romney will wear exceedingly thin before the November election and Obama's coattails will elect a lot of Democrats.

Romney is gaining on Obama across the country. Obama led by 8 points in Jan and now leads by 4 points. It's still over 5 months until the election in Nov a lifetime in political terms. In several Democrat primaries as many as 40 percent of the Democrat voters have voted for others on the ballot. A felon in jail in another state got 40% of the vote in one primary and in another case 40 % voted for "none of the above" rather than vote for Obama.

Obama has good reason to be running scared.

A strategy of divide and conquer, and we are falling for it. You know balance. As you treat your son/daughter as one collective, the children. Decisions are not based on gender party, but opportunity for all.

Pretty simple really. A classic case of Put Yourself Above It. The pork rind munchers cousin is a Democrat. They don't know what it all means, but it gives them reason to feud. And that drama, is what we thrive on.

(turns off TV)

In talking to neighbors, it couldn't matter less whether they like Obama, frankly some people really surprise me when they declare their favorite team. Reasons are always vague, but we are all in the same boat together, regardless.

I agree, our boat floats, the motor is running, we are tracking right along on a predictable path that is controllable and can now consider upping the pace. I hope Obama has his hand on the throttle because it's go time.

Well said, TopJimmy.

DOW up 5000 points.

Unemployment down to 8.1 from 10.2

GM and US Auto industry alive.

OBL Dead.

Romney ... toast.

Sorry Joe Philly

DOW is not up 5000 points.

Unemployment is not down...Thousands have gone thru their 99 weeks and are off the govt dole

GM has outsourced major factories to China. So much for the bailout. Just who did we bail out?

OBL dead...thank you waterboarding and the secret op who traced him to the compound. Oh..in case you haven't noticed, we blew his cover (bush league admin here) and now he is doing 33 years in jail over there. Think we will get anyone else who wants to work for us in this war?

Actually, Romney will be the winner...there are more of us than you. LOLOLOL...by the way..have you read obamas book yet? Seems he totally admits to smoking dope and doing blow with the boys while in college. Yes sir...that is the guy we need in the white house. If he had been caught, he would still be doing time.

Well, Joe... you see, there was this little thing called the Stimulus Package and another called saving Detroit, just as a couple of examples. No doubt you may not have heard about those on Fux but you can Google them and get some info. Good luck on your education!

I said help not put us in debt trillions.

Well, for starters you might ask those in the auto manufacturing business, then move on to the sub-contractors that supply that industry, then the dealers who service that industry through sales, then the finance companies that carry the notes on new car sales, then the after-market supply firms that help to maintain those products. That's five who directly benefited in just one segment of the market. There are many others but you only asked for a couple so I'm already over limit.

Jim... we are obviously dealing with a low IQ troll. But... he did mention earlier that he is working now. Let's both wish Joe well with his new career at Wal-Mart.

Truth don't sound to good ..does it? Bed time here I have to work.

The stimulus doesn't really help the economy any more than a shot of codeine helps a cancer patient. Sure things feel good for a little while, but the underlying problems are not dealt with. Obama has not worked to provide solutions for our underlying problems with the economy. At best he has given out used car gimmicks to get things going (6 month tax break for hiring).

Obama has not worked to provide solutions for our underlying problems with the economy.

Actually, he and the congressional Democrats have attempted quite a bit, but Republicans overrun by the incorrigible brats of the amateur and newbie teapartiers, have used the filibuster or poisoned bills with outrageous riders at nearly every turn to block what he would do.

PutAmericaFirst

The stimulus doesn't really help the economy any more than a shot of codeine helps a cancer patient. Sure things feel good for a little while, but the underlying problems are not dealt with. Obama has not worked to provide solutions for our underlying problems with the economy. At best he has given out used car gimmicks to get things going (6 month tax break for hiring).

Actually, it helped the economy by reversing the recession and saving or creating an average of 2.5 million jobs. That bought the economy some time for the government to strengthen the regulatory framework that has been cut to the bone thanks to voodoo economics. But we still need to deal with income inequality, which is stunting growth due to a lack of purchasing power for the middle and lower class, and that could be dealt in the short term by repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and in the long term by reforming the tax code so it rewards work and investments (not just investments) and make the necessary investments in manufacturing and education to help strengthen the middle class.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Amazing how many trolls I've put on 'ignore' but damn, they just keep coming out of the woodwork! It amazes me how many and how very vocal the illiterate, uneducated, "I vote the way my daddy did" morons there are out there. I can ignore one or two dumb a$$ comments, but after a couple of chances their comments lack any useful purpose... it's not like they are making any real contributions to discussions.

All I can say is that I hope to hell that the majority are able to see the tea baggers and repukes agenda for what it really is... pure self interest at the expense of the majority. That's ok, we should just cut all emergency services starting in THEIR neighborhoods and they can pay out of pocket for the services that they want privatized through their home owners associations. And if a desperate person happens to break into their house, well... they want lower taxes!

Obama/Biden 2012!!!!

Romney is gaining on Obama across the country. Obama led by 8 points in Jan and now leads by 4 points. It's still over 5 months until the election in Nov a lifetime in political terms. In several Democrat primaries as many as 40 percent of the Democrat voters have voted for others on the ballot. A felon in jail in another state got 40% of the vote in one primary and in another case 40 % voted for "none of the above" rather than vote for Obama.

Obama has good reason to be running scared.

Sorry.....packing for the weekend. I know you hate it when someone isn't there to show you the error of your ways with facts reasoning and logic.

Te worst are the morons that will defend and vote along party lines no matter what atrocities their party commits. The same ones say it is all the other parties fault no one can agree on anything except stripping Americans of our constitutional rights. When it comes to that the bipartisanship is astounding!

The problem is we have been throwing money at the class rooms but have not seen any increase in test scores. Schools are getting a failing grade, and Obama only wants to spend more, and have less responsibility. He said if things did not improve he would not run, I hope he keeps his word. So far Him and Reed have been a total disapointment.

300Michael,

Test scores? Is that your measure of what a total, thinking human being is? What about art and music? What about creative and critical thinking?

States and local governments provide the vast majority of funding for schools. These funds have been slashed. If not for teachers spending their own money to fund their classrooms, the kids would have even less than they do.

Why would anyone even want to be teacher anymore? They have to pay for their college education. Then they are told that they don't even have the right to negotiate for reasonable pay. Parents don't back them up and politicians trash them daily.

My husband is a veteran science teacher (dual masters) of 30+ years, hoping to get to 35 before he retires. In the few years we've been married I've been floored at what exactly teachers are up against. If he tries to NOT accept late work from students, administration forces him to accept it anyway (it's not kids who were out sick or had a legit excuse) because they don't want to have to deal with parents throwing fits. Question is, what employer would accept staff constantly not meeting deadlines??? None I've ever been employed by! People constantly have issue with teachers having summers off... how many of you work an additional 3 or 4 hours every evening to prep for work the next day and score hundreds of papers? How many of you have to sacrifice your Sunday evening to get ready for the week... it kills any w/e plans. The newest trick some of the kids have come up with is to take a picture of an assignment, then fail to turn the paper in... anything to attempt to manipulate. Yes, I raised kids and was very active in my girls schools... and I'd have NEVER blamed teachers for my kids failure to DO the work! People... you better start to get through to your kids that the only way they'll ever have a chance at a decent life is through education.Also, to those of you who think your little darling is going to get a sports scholarship... DREAM ON!!! I can't wait until my husband can retire and get out of the hell that schools have turned into for their staffs. It makes you wonder who in their right mind would want to go into a profession that has become so targeted and demonized... good luck getting and keeping quality teachers!

The problem is we have been throwing money at the class rooms but have not seen any increase in test scores. Schools are getting a failing grade, and Obama only wants to spend more, and have less responsibility. He said if things did not improve he would not run, I hope he keeps his word. So far Him and Reed have been a total disapointment.

I see by your post, yours was not a classroom at which money was thrown.

how many of you work an additional 3 or 4 hours every evening to prep for work the next day and score hundreds of papers? How many of you have to sacrifice your Sunday evening to get ready for the week... it kills any w/e plans.

Okay, let me say first off, I don't think we pay teachers enough and I don't think we encourage the best and brightest to go into this field.

Now on to this post:

Are you kidding me lady? What fantasy land do you live in? 3 or 4 hours a night to prep? Heck half the time my days run right into my nights to the tune or 12 - 15 hours. Sunday is my travel day. I have to get ready to fly then catch my evening flight to wherever I am working that week.

Don't whine to me Argentina. You don't know how good you've got it. Many of us out here work ALL OF THE TIME and are even "on call" when we're asleep.

Tell another one before that gets cold. At my childs school he can turn allhe wants in late. But he gets very few points. If your school is different it is because someone is setting their own rules and has nothing to do with federal standards. The problem with school and I say bring on the education discussion is that they have the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND AUTHORED BY BUSH. When you look at the problems today, everywhere, they all lead back to BUSH. He by his ridiculous tests assure than all Children are left behind even the ones making A's. And here is why. Especially in math they are given subject after subject after subject and are given about 3 days to cram for a test. They take it forget it and move on to the next year. They are getting A's but due to the lack of reinforcement the kids don't remember most of it. You can only hold 7 different thoughts in your head before they are learned. Cramming is not learning. It took me years to try to figure out what teaching to the test means. I got it. It is way too many tests and way too much cramming for those tests. You don't learn and remember with cramming. I can't say that often enough. The NCLB law is failing too! Only now all children are not just some of them. And the teachers have no say in the matter. They have to follow the standards.

To MJ. They have improved and mightily. Why can't you see that. Remember if the financial and industry had failed like the republicans wanted them to. What would be happening if the jobs were being lost at the same rate as when he took office. If the wars were still going on strong and we were trying to get the rest of the world to keep hating us? What would be happening if spending were continuing like under George W Bush? If you want to spin go hop in a wash machine. Quit spinning the facts out of control. We are much, much much better off that we would have been with a MCCain/Palin fiasco.

ktlin -

We happen to agree that Bushs NCLB is a failure - a thing that looked promising to non educators on paper but in practice turned out to be a disaster of epic proportions.

But - spare me that this is the only thing wrong with education, and that it is all Bushs' fault. While that is one way to see it, it is unfortunately close to as inaccurate as possible.

Let us start from this point, and see if we agree - teachers teach, students learn, and parents do what they can to keep their children working at learning (ideally). That would be the job descriptions of all involved in education, as it relates to education.

At least, that is the theory as I understand it.

Now, on to current reality. Expectations of the parents have become as follows - "My child is special, darn it, and gifted, and woe to those who dare to disagree". This is evident in the rise of gifted programs, the rise in the number of children with some condition or another such as ADD, and several other realities that exist that are much like it.

Add to that the current touchy feely "we dont want to hurt the students feelings" mantra that is so prevalent, and what you get is this - nobody fails, ever. At anything. Everybody gets a trophy, just because they showed up at all. All kids are precious, and should be protected from absolutely everything that might not be positive, and therefore never learn what the real world is about.

That leads to the reality that the standards have been lowered to the point that the kids almost cant fail, but some manage to despite it being increasingly difficult to .

Add to that the increase of teachers not being allowed to do their jobs - not being able to maintain discipline, being judged negatively on failing grades for their students, schools being judged on overall grading of the student body, and having their ability to teach in ways that actually address the students in front of them limited in favor of having to stick to the script of teaching to the test.

Now ask yourself what is the thing that binds all of that together? The answer is this - parental expectations of the students has changed to the point that educating thestudents is nearly impossible. THe parents EXPECT that their child is special, or gifted, or if not then there is a medical reason - like ADD - that they are not, so then the child requires special accomodations. The short form is this - my child will be successful, regardless of effort being put forth by the child, or lack thereof.

So how to change that - simple, really - parents need to EXPECT that their child will try, and try very hard, to learn. Parents need to understand that their child will screw up once in a while, and not blame the school or the teacher for that. The short form of that answer - parents need to apply the boot to the butt when it is required, not assume that their child is being treated unfairly.

Blame everything but the child - that is the current reality of education. THat is not Bushs' fault, nor is every other problem that currently exists, as you stated in your post.

Try this one for size, and see if you like it - expect your children to succeed, and help them do it. Its not too many tests, its not a failure of the system.

If it was, then literally no child would learn anything, ever.

Democrats - please read this post by twodm and ask yourselves: "Is this really a club I want to be associated with?"

Isn't it better than Newt Gingrich who started this whole hate thing back when he was sending mailers out accusing the Dems of being lazy, shameful, unAmerican, and informer the GOP to say the worse things you can think up about them? Isn't it better than taking everything including REv Wrights word out of context? BTW the Dems are saving a lot of money on ads against Romney. They are just using the ones the other candidates made about him. Remember those? And you think these comments are bad. AT last they aren't on national tv. Isn't there a saying that you should get the board out of your eye before you try to get the splinter out of the other party's? Great wisdom. If you can guys can see the board of course.

I wouldn't assume that only Democrats want to hurl insults at Romney. Even die-hard Repugnicans are only grudgingly lining up behind him, and they seem to want to be anywhere but there.

Romney is a RICH LIAR!! He can't run on his record in Massachusetts and his Economic (Bain) experience as he calls a lie. Talk about education, this man thinks a classroom of 45-50 kids is good for education. WOW!!!!

Clifford,

Your wish will not be granted unless you are a very large red dog.