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Subscribe to RSSSoccer moms, or whatever the lexicon is nowadays, are a key swing group -- one both sides are watching. Today, Crossroads GPS went up with a $10 million ad buy making a play for the group across 10 battleground states.
Crossroads says the ad will run beginning today in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.
In 2008, Obama narrowly won suburban women, and he led narrowly with them in the most recent NBC/WSJ poll.
By the way, the woman in the ad is an "actor based on a composite of women Crossroads interviewed in focus groups," said Crossroads spokesman Jonathan Collegio.
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Good luck with THAT!
Evidently suburban women are a major concern, otherwise one of the members of the original axis of evil wouldn't be dumping $10 million down the rat hole!
Women in general are far to smart to fall for the 'smoke & mirrors'!
It's one of the inherent problems with the GNOP - they haven't figured it out yet! lol
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 - GIRL POWER!!!
My guess is that a month from now when all the monthly polls have been revised we shall see that they wasted $10 million. But it is only 1% of their expected war chest so no biggie.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I think that explains some of the weird things about the GOP
Fiesty,
Glad you speak for the average soccer mom. You underestimate those who don't feel the same as you. You might be surprised. At least the ones that I know, feel totally different and these ladies work their butts off as housewives, part or full time employment. As do most of americans. But to some, its unfair to say its smoke and mirrors.
NLS: mine is a quote from Albert Einstein himself so i would try again
Insanity is waging a war on women on one hand and denying it on the other. Women aren't stupid and overall will not vote for somebody who wants to limit their rights.
Wow, this woman in the ad hasn't been paying attention. The same old story from the GOP. Give the rich more tax breaks and watch high paying jobs fall from the sky! It hasn't worked for 30 years, and it isn't going to work now because Bush's braink, Carl Rove, says it will through "Crossroads" and the misinformed, misinforming actor in this ad. She evidently feels that republicans will make it right even though they are responsible for making it wrong.
The president will need more time to dig us out of Bush's mess! I suppose not giving GM a bailout would have made everything better.
Obama/Biden 2012
Don't kid yourself junior - I'm well aware of the mood out there amongst women & it isn't a pretty picture for the GNOP!
Even my Republican neighbor & her daughters are disgusted with the war that's being waged!
They haven't decided yet whether to stay home or vote for President Obama in November...
I'm sure by the time the election rolls around - I will have convinced them to head to the polls! ;op
Who is going to identify with the pre-maturely aged woman in the commercial? Seriously! This ad would not appeal to middleaged moms. WHo wants to think of themselves as a beaten-down old mother?
Republicans have lost their touch, or maybe it's just so darn difficult making an attack ad against President Obama that's believable.
Fiesty,
Best of luck then.
So basically the wingers over at Crossroads are hoping women are stupid. They are hoping they do not look into what caused the debt, or the actual positive effects of the stimulus. They are hoping that women forget the massive recession we had as Obama took office.
They are hoping that no one recognizes the contradiction between cutting spending and improving the economy, or cutting taxes and lower the debt.
They are hoping no one notices that Europe implemented austerity measures, and is at serious risk of slipping back into a recession.
They are hoping for failure, and for stupid.
Of course they are, dummy ... that is what the ad is counting on.
What is more important ... job killing debt ... or free birth control for 30 year old, professional students who will be making a $175,000.00 next year?
Do you really think the average American women thinks Ann Romney is too stupid, can't voice her opinion on the economy ... because she doesn't work?
Do you really think women are going to get fooled again with Hope and Change One More Time "smoke and mirrors?"
Amy,
So what is wrong with conservative mom's out there. If they don't feel the same as you, what the hell is wrong with them. How can they connect with the slave owners that are out to dirty the air and water, and keep women in the basement.
Women are concerned about high gas prices that cause higher prices on everything they buy with less money in their pocket.
Just like men.
Barrack Hussien Obama experiment as POTUS will end in a huge crash in November and there is nothing any lib can do to save him
old fat guy-1144960
gas prices are going down...I guess you'll have to vote for President Obama's re-election!
Thats right old fat guy republicans did nothing to put us here and take no blame. They won't help fix it either until Obama is out of office, so what if the country is hurting its all about the republicans right old fart. And back to the President and gas prices, I pitty you. What happens to you if Obama is re-elected, then were do you put your hate, I have a suggestion but I am sure it is full now. Oh and what makes you think Mitty or your party can fix it with the same policies that put us here. And if Women are concerned about the cost of things with less money that is one they can put on the republicans after all they just voted against the fair wage act smooth move that one.
Gas prices will not go down far enough or fast enough to save this guy.
Romney will open oil exploration and refinning and those jobs pay big big money. Happy days will return to America.
Obama's asinine spending is what is driving the debt.
Really?
Want to share what that is with the 25 million unemployed / underemployed?
Maybe you forgot the recession had bottomed in October 2008 and ended in June 2009 - THREE FULL YEARS AGO.
Just try to defend that absurdity.
How ignorant ... like austerity led to their problems?
We already have failure in Obama and stupid in republicants.
Feisty and company.
I'm not a register Republican and yet a kind of simulate to that lady in the add since my 18 year old will be starting college this year. Are you speaking for all women or just the ones that are liberal or with the same Ideology as yours? You are always knocking down anything that does not completely conform to your ideas. I feel sorry for you, you will never evolve.
Even if they were to find something real bad on President Obama, you would still vote for the guy.
I have often seen that woman from the left do not include those on the right when it comes to an issue.
Well girl, I also speak to other women and I would say they are divided on the issue and do not see what the heck is this war about.
It will be a close race but hopefully not to close that it will divide the Country even more.
Hopefully, more eloquently then you do around here!
Trying decipher your garble - gives me a headache!
It just occurred to me - you sound like Snuffy on Thorazine!
It's really sad that anyone would defend the GOP when it comes to women's issues. Intelligent women know that a vote for the GOP is a vote to take away women's rights and make us subservient to men.
Apparently the old white men think women are just totally stupid and will race to vote for Romney - just so we can go back to being 2nd class citizens.
Concern Citizen - unfortunately you have proved again and again with your posts that you are solidly Republican and don't think women should do anything but stay home and be the good little wife.
Bob - you show again and again you are not willing to face the truth. You choose to deny that Obama was handed a dismal mess and that the GOP REFUSED to work with him in any way to make things better. You clearly hate the man for no reason and you refuse to see the GOP's hand in our country's problems. Your asinine leadership is what got us into this mess and we're not about to give the GOP a chance to dig us in deeper.
Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your eagerness to show it.
There is truly NO sanity in the GOP.
Obama/Biden 2012
If you did some actual research you would know that most of what you are saying is untrue. Obama is NOT spending more than other Presidents, he is actually spending less. Congress, on the other hand is spending more on the defense budget than either the Pentagon or Obama wanted them to. It also seems as though many on the right are ignoring the fact that every spending cut costs jobs. Interesting, the disconnect between thinking "if we spend more on defense, we create more jobs" while not noticing "if we cut education, teachers become unemployed". No wonder the world no longer respects us.
Feisty Beisty, You are such a class act. Look at yourself first and then cast the stone.
You sound like a miserable old Fart, that has no life and needs some compassion. I have to say that Jody from Iowa has a heck of allot more class than you.
The old know it all Oracle Feisty Fart. Oh, I have notice that Jody has been getting more votes than you. I wonder why.
seekingsanity -
You are wasting your time ... you need to seek a minimal level of intelligence, not sanity.
Get back when you have a clue and can post something worth responding to.
To: SeekingSanity who wrote;
What is it that you do not get? I'm a Black/Hispanic/woman and proud to be Independent.
SeekingSanity, I believe you just proved my point, since I have posted that I do work outside of the House and yes my husband and I do share responsibilities in the house. You are either a male chauvinist pig or insane. Either way you are a prejudicial Liberal. lol.
People think WWII did great things for our economy. It created weapons that were for the most part obsolete and scrapped within ten years of the end of the war. It also created a mighty deficit worse than the one we are suffering with now with untold millions in war bonds that had to be repaid with interest.
What saved us was not the weapons of war produced, but the GI bill and the money people had saved because there was nothing to spend it on. The government also spent untold millions on rebuilding Europe and Japan. The result was an increase in demand that powered our economy for decades.
The problem now is that now teapublicans feel that austerity should be the rule. That is what they tried after the Civil War and the resulting economic slump lasted almost 40 years.
The lesson here is that handing billions over to contractors won't fix things. Once people have weapons, they seem to need to use them, making things worse. What we need is more jobs to fix the infrastructure.
We need more stimulus to get out of this. Austerity doesn't work.
Obama/Biden 2012
This is all ya got sweeheart? LMFAO!
Good for my dear friend Jody - she deserves them!
You'll excuse me now, while I go locate some Advil & scrape the gum off the bottom of my shoe!
STOP following me around like a lovesick puppy - it's embarrassing!
Stay under their skins feisty we love it.
As far as Karl Rove goes every women in American knows he's nothing but a Republican pig looking to put it to them.
As the leader of Bush's regime he helped Bush spend trillions of dollars on bailouts like wall street, the car company's, and all the bad debt he endorsed 2 wars he couldn't pay for and the murder of our children,alleged war crimes he is wanted for now he wants to be the women's friend
Thanks!
I can't wait for their heads to start exploding! ☺
Care for some *popcorn*?
Bob - seeking a minimal level of intelligence from someone like you, unfortunately is asking way too much. But, many of us keep trying thinking there might be one Republican out their with an IQ over 60. But we watch people like you blindly following Mitt Romney, who doesn't offer anything for anyone and we know it is pretty hopeless.
As I keep finding, there is no sanity to be found in the GOP. You show that over and over again. Your lack of intelligence is overwhelming yet you continue to spout your lies and putdowns of our President. You are a prime reason the GOP is failing.
Concern Citizen - nope an independent and very sane woman - not like you - clearly missing a few screws! Your constant rants to Feisty show you couldn't make an informed statement on our own no matter what. If you're a woman, your stupidity is part of the problem.
Absolutely NO sanity in the GOP!
Well based on Limbaugh's ratings right now, it appears his Rush Babe's versus the FemiNazis -- both of which is a sexist insult to women, would not be a good "strategery" for Karl Rove's Super PAC. The only women these misogynists can appeal to are the brainwashed GOP/TP women who are a part of the War on Women -- Whether the one who sponsored the bill to strip out the Violence Against Women Act, or the one in Arizona that sponsored the "prove to your employer that your contraception prescription is for medical purposes and not for birth control." WTF?
This crock of crap that undermines long-fought civil rights will NOT appeal to thinking women in this country, anymore than the Grizzly Mama, pit bull with lipstick nonsense Palin peddled. This is just more "divide and conquer" by Teapublicans. It's hard enough to understand why men are obsessed with telling women what they can do with their bodies (i.e., the Catholic Church), but any woman who is a tool of this should be ashamed, very ashamed.
It's too bad rightwing women live in the rightwing Echo Chamber and Cone of Silence -- Hey RWNJs, guess what? Obamacare would end discrimination by insurance companies -- Insurance companies could no longer charge you more for insurance than they do men! Hey RWNJs, guess what? There's an article in the business section today about men and "pink collar jobs" like teachers, nurses, etc. and guess what? The men are being paid more than women, and promoted up more than women -- Yeah, on your turf. And the list goes on and on!
Having someone else pay for your birth control is not a civil right
Bob: with arguments like that, perhaps you shouldn't be denigrating anyone else's reasoning abilities.
Women already pay for birth control through their insurance. The issue is whether they pay TWICE--once for their insurance AND the second time out of pocket so as not to upset men like you who are so , you know, delicate, they think only married women who are TRYING to get pregnant, have sex (you'd be cute if you weren't so dangerous.) Secondly, there is a reason Obama is anywhere from 15 points (in this poll) to 21 points (in the last Rasmussan) ahead with women, and that has to do with all things women care about: the economy, health care, and jobs, along with making sure men with reasoning powers like yours don't ever hold power over them. The silliness is thinking women can simply be told they don't understand those issues (kind of like the way you speak to Feisty...condescending, mean-spirited, and with contempt. See? Doesn't really work to sway anyone now does it?)
old fat guy-1144960 -- To quote SNL, "you ignorant slut" -- Its NOT for free. Women must have health insurance first, which means they pay premiums and deductibles. The only thing that would be "waived" would be the measly co-pay, which in no way compensates for the discrimination against women by health insurance companies that charge women more for health care in comparison to men.
But ultimately, it ends up costing the insurance companies and everyone less, not to mention prevention of unwanted births and over population. And the day you rightwing idiots support life after birth -- Head Start, child care, school lunches for poor children, etc. is the day anyone will give a sh!t what you think or say.
How about men just STFU about what women do with their bodies, period, and that goes for the Catholic Church too.
True Patriot....
Any chance you can construct a response without calling someone a idiot or STFU?
What about insurance becoming just that, insurance? We have turned it into a prepaid medical plan that many can not afford. Birth control is cheap.
Medical insurance should be to cover costs of the unexpected just like car insurance. You do not file an insurance claim for an oil change do you? Ordinary expenses we all face on a regular basis should be just that.
Regardless of lib or conservative young or old you should realize calling people names and gutter language adds nothing of substance to the debate
I just don't see what the GOP is offering that will attract the women voters across the country.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that the GOP has little concern with what women want.
That's funny! Like the Dems do? The Dems think all women are just like the radical looney ones they share the echo chamber with! Hope they keep thinking that ALL women are just like them! That's what happens when you believe your own BS! Keep it up, Dems!
"radical looney"?? poor poor David. Talk about the echo chamber you're stuck in. Look at any poll...any poll over the last three months. Romney loses with women and independents. That's no accident and it sure isn't because of "radical loons". Try health care...jobs...you know...real RADICAL stuff.
WORKING women are sick and tired of their hard earned money being used to raise other peoples children. WORKING women will say no to 4 more years of the food stamp president.
so you don't care about the children who won't be able to go to school because they have to work (illegally if a minor) just to help feed their family, children who are starving because their parents have no money. and you call yourself an American, i am ashamed at how low we have gone that we cant even take care of our poor children in our own country and you people only care about yourselves anymore. how is denying aid to the children going to fix anything sure we spend less, but then thousands of children will die of starvation, less children will be able to graduate, less will become scientist that might discover a new technology, less will become great business managers, less will become great political leaders that might prevent a war.
Try to think of the consequences of what will happen if we stop those programs. yes some people take advantage of them, but think of the thousands of people who truly need that help, is it your right to deny them help just because you don't want to pay any money for it. is it your right to deny these children their future just because it costs to much.
annoyed, don't be fooled by the picture and besides republican they only care about the money yours soon to be theirs and theirs.
According to your post Gem, you must know something about Romney that I am not aware of.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us all what Obama has done to make you feel that he is "the food stamp president" and what Romney has proposed that will eradicate the problem(s)?
Don't be fooled by the looney left libtards that want you to believe that the Socialist-In-Chief LOOOOOOVES private business now that it's election time.....lol
Obummer and his ilk think every answer lies within the government and if they could just pilfer more from their neighbors, all would be good.
DumbFux anyway
Romney/Rubio 2012!
I hope women are the reason republicans fail in November. Nothing but the party of misogyny.
Obama/Biden for women!
not all of them and At LEAST THEY TRY. last i heard Romney wants to strip all of the Welfare programs away.
The only thing I know for certain is, Willard himself said 'he doesn't care about the poor'...
Hey! If ya can't win the war of ideas you can always resort to bull@!$%#......lol.....right DumbFux???....lol....What a tool
Romney/Rubio 2012!
Justice for Zimmerman coming soon!
The Republican state legislature in Maine just cut Head Start, so 200 families are going to have a hard time paying for daycare so Mom can work. They cut assistance to low income mothers and they cut Headstart, making it difficult for them to work, now that makes alot of sense. How are these young families supposed to support themselves? Republican response: we don't care, we need the money for tax cuts for the wealthiest.
Well, I'm a working woman who has been blessed with success in her career. I'm happy to give back to allow another woman who hasn't been so fortunate a hand up. If there are more people on food stamps than before, I give most of them the benefit of the doubt that they would prefer to have a good job and accepting help on a temporary basis. I'm glad to be in a position to help and more glad that President Obama is leading us out of the terrible economic position the GOP got us into.
Feisty---when Romney so blithely assumed there was an adequate safety net for the poor, I had to laugh. The Ryan budget---the one Romney calls "marvelous" (I always think of Billy Crystal) would eviscerate the safety net Mitt assumes is there for the least among us.
Awwww, you mean people will actually have to pay their own bills??????....ohh, the inhumanity of it all!!
And if they can't too bad let the poor sucker die who needs the trash anyway Right Michael. Beside you have yours so whats the problem.
Maybe some of you may have to give up some of your time and actually volunteer and time and your own money. Your social justice is going to keep people down, not help them up.
Since Obama has increased that safety net by 80% since he took office to over $900 billion in 70 different welfare programs, when do you think Obama will propose a budget to cut these programs as his supposed economic policies start working? Backhouse and SS state on here all the time how Obama's economic policies are working and tout all the good things including employment that have improved since 2009. So if he has improved things for all of us, why isnt the safety net getting reduced? This isnt about caring its about it being a temporary solution to you get back on your feet as Steeler Fan says. Tell me progressives when do the budget cuts start because of Obama's great economic policies? At what point does temporary become generational? Nothing in Ryan's budget eviscerates the social safety net thats just partisan talking points. Like any smart financially astute person, you can cut back the safety net when you create economic growth which is what the Ryan budget does.
this just goes to show how ignorant you are
MRWSR, so you think financial aid to people who can barley pay their bills, is bad for them.
If Liberals Hated America we’d VOTE Republican.
Obama-Biden 2012!
What??? That a family has to pay for their own daycare???
Yes, color me ignorant and quit stealing from your neighbor! It doesn't always take a village, sometimes it just takes Mommy & Daddy to grow up.
do you even know how much it costs to put your kid in day care for a day, Not all moms can and if they can't pay for daycare they can't work, and if they can't work they don't get Money, they can't pay bills, and they can't buy food either, and when that happens that family starves and then the kid will be taken away from their moms because they can't take care of them.
That is why you are ignorant.
I'm not the one trying to steal from my neighbors because I had children before I could afford them.....Are you?
Michael not ignorant, arrogant, Your a single parent, the best jobs you can find are two part time minimum wage jobs. Your child is 4 years old, no family in the area, daycare cost take more than your two jobs provide but you want to work not be on welfare. What would you do, not someone else you.
Annoyed Person--you make it sound like its a black and white issue? Shouldnt the default always be what Michael1969 states--in essence you pay your own bills and pay for the behaviorial choices you make? You are correct in that we should have a safety net for those living in poverty that attempts to give everyone shelter, food and an opportunity for employment. But its a fine line between the fact that the person who needs day care chose to have a child right? That person may have chosen to drop out of school. That person may have made alot of behaviorial choices that Michael's question is a good one in that why is it everyone else's responsibility to create lifetime entitlement assistance based on those behaviorial choices. Nothing is stopping the person living in Maine from moving to North Dakota where the unemployment rate is 2.5%. Its not that financial aid is bad, the starting point should always be that people pay their own bills dont you think?
true, but that doesn't make the fact that there are low-income mothers out there with children who need help, are you going to make the children suffer because of a bad choice by their parents.
Annoyedperson,
I believe in helping. But we have gone beyond that. I have had times where I could barley pay my bills, and at times couldn't. But worked, never took a government check. Moved to find work, what ever work. This was after college and the millitary. So don't look down on me for not wanting a nanny state or freebies for life. Now by God's grace, me and my family are doing just fine. Its not because of obana either. He has actuallly caused less income and more work hours.
Not having a car, I ride the public bus alot, so I am well acquainted with the "undeserving poor." The French have a saying l'enfer, c'est les autres, "hell is other people" which perfectly describes listening to loud mouth numbskulls on cell phones talking about baby daddies, etc and generally irritating the heck out of me. I'm just as disapproving as the next taxpayer of dysfunctional people.
And yet, if you cut back on Head Start, the need for daycare doesn't go away. If you cut back on healthcare, poor people don't stop getting sick. If you cut back on rental assistance, these people aren't going to turn into neurosurgeons and buy mcmansions to live in instead.
I support helping to pay for daycare because it's a smart way to improve these children's lives, and to enable these low income mothers to work. I'm not a fountain of human kindness, believe me, I'm just pragmatic. I get fed up with the Republican mantra "these people should pay for their own daycare!" Yeah, well, believe me, you wouldn't want to trade places with these "undeserving poor" their lives are not that great.
And, if we are honest, we all benefit from services we couldn't possibly pay for all by ourselves, starting with a world class military, police protection, fire departments, public libraries, highways, etc.
I think it's safe to say we are a divided country...about 50/50 Dem vs. GOP. So are you saying half of this country (including myself apparently) hates America!?
Kirk : of course everyone should "TRY" to pay their own bills, people should "TRY" to make correct decisions in life, people should "TRY" finding work. that is an undeniable truth.
but LIFE ISN'T PERFECT. things happen, you get fired, you get in a divorce, maybe you just have bad luck. point is children who are caught in the middle of that still need help and they should never be blamed for their parents poor choices.
That is who i want to help the children.
Great question....the first thing I would do is do what I always ask my students.......
Would you hire you?? Be honest. And if not, then why should someone else? Are you doing everything possible to make yourself marketable? Or are you sitting on you ass waiting for the folks on First Read to feel sorry for you?
Wake up everyday and improve yourself in some way, not matter how small and then tell me you can only achieve two part time jobs. Are you even trying? I doubt it. Don't tell me about all of the woooos of life. Tell me what you're doing to change it!
Amy B. Portland, ME
Post # 3.25 put me in my place.
Great way of putting it! But I'm still voting for Romney!...lol
If 20 million people have become unemployed since Bush was in office, OF COURSE the number of people on food stamps is going to increase! Expecting social programs NOT to increase when almost half the country is in poverty seems pretty dumb. The only answer is JOBS and the Republicans talk a lot about jobs, but what they DO has very little to do with creating jobs. I have seen the Dems propose a number of bills that would increase jobs, but I have yet to see the Repubs pass one.
Isn't it fun to watch Michael try to act intellegent
Heartlight--what are you talking about? Backhouse has indicated that Obama has created an economy in which many of those jobs have been provided back. SS talking about how our manufacturing has come back so listen to them talk about how great he has been. You cant have it both ways.
AnnoyedPerson--there isnt anyone that is against those concepts including all the GOP. Its the efficiency of the delivery systems, the length of time and the designs of these plans. For example, social security disability is up over 80 percent since Obama took office. We certainly dont have more disabled we have less audit and checks on the receipt. But in any event, no one disagrees that we need a social safety net for the children or even the parents but there has to be some design changes, limits and not the creation of a lifetime of entitlement. Look at what has happened in our inner cities with generational welfare that started with the good intentions of progressives like yourself. Good intentions dont always lead to good results.
Thanks, Michael1969, but I hope you change your mind and vote for President Obama. We all know entitlements need to be cut, and if Romney is the one to do it there will be riots. Let the Democrat handle making those cuts, like only a cold-warrior like Nixon could open the door to communist China :)
MRWSR - your arrogance is overwhelming as is your stupidity. Many of us work and make good money but also volunteer our time AND money. We realize that, today in the United States, many people need help. I know that's not the Republican way as you and Michael1969 so clearly show, but it is the American way.
Obama/Biden 2012
Kirk and Michael, you two have it so easy being "men".
You remind me of my friends husband. He treated her and the kids so bad, she either had to put up with the abuse or leave him. She chose the latter. Now, he claims poverty to the court and says he can't support his soon to be ex-wife and kids. Never mind the guy owns his own business. My friend now is being threatened with eviction because he stopped paying the rent. Wusses you all are. Since Daddy won't pay up, guess who is? The State. Yes, she made a bad decision getting married to a man like you that says, "I've got mine, now screw you". It's no wonder there is a war out there. Do us all a favor and take your "war on women, the poor, fill in the blank" to a more hospitable group like the Romney camp. Your like is not wanted here.
Actually Frank, no, we're not "50-50". Dems far outnumber Republicans. You may have been reading about the importance of the Independent vote? That's why. Romney needs those voters desperately and he's not been able to get them. Why do you think the expectations are that he'll now "moderate" his stands? Because he can't win independents by appealing to the radical right...
MRWSR: If you've ever owned a home and taken a mortgage deduction, you've taken a "government" check (as in a tax deduction). If you've ever been a parent who's claimed a child credit, you've gotten a "government" check. If you've driven on a federal or state highway, sent a child to a public school, used a public park, or paid social security so you can collect it in retirement, welcome to the "nanny" state. THese are public policy decisions about where we spend our collective tax dollars. Get off the high horse. You are not an island. You don't control your own clean water or clean air. You breathe the same stuff us mere mortals do. THIS absurd attitude that we all live in our own private bubbles, immune from the problems of others, is why Republicans have trouble getting a majority of support with women. Women already know...first hand, from real life...that no one lives on this planet alone, despite the wagging fingers and lectures trying to convince you otherwise.
Ap,
I would like to respond in a way that I hope you can understand. My post never said let the poor just die and let kids eat out of trash cans. In 18 years I have only recieved one income tax return check, it was for $251. I have paid every other time. Do I use deducitons, yes. Who doesn't? I am for helping others, never said otherwise. But we are doing to much, going to far. We are mandating social justice. Please understand my point here is to make clear, you can not mandate giving or caring. That has to be a personal choice. If more believed this and took time to help their neighbor, there would be less need for the Government. I am very proud to pay taxes for the proteciton of this Great Nation. But will not support a nanny state. That is not America. America is helping to help, not because the Government said so or taxes us to do it. To many are dependent and don't want it to end. That effects the real ones who need the help. No easy answers here, but to call me names for what I am saying is not helping you in anyway. You just confirm my view of liberals.
It's a Garbage in Garbage out ad that doesn't have one shred of truth .
"It's a Garbage in Garbage out ad that doesn't have one shred of truth ." GOP what more need be said.
I guess I give woman more credit than being a one issue voter. Maybe my wife and two daughters are just able to multi task and critically think better than Fiesty and SS. In Illinois, worrying about being access to an abortion is not at the top of their list of voting issues. Like many strong independent women, they more worry about the economy and leaving a legacy for their kids that doesnt include a lower standard of living. My wife who worked her way through law school on her own merits and paid off her student loans by having two jobs during summer breaks and school and god forbid she took jobs that were manual labor to get herself through. She didnt choose to go to a more expensive school and then want someone to bail her out. She worked very hard for her professional success and isnt happy with a president who wants equality of outcomes for everyone. She came from a family were self reliance, personal responsibility and the consequences of your behaviorial choices were something you didnt ask the government to bail you out from. She thinks that if she wants birth control she should have access but pay for it herself no different than any other prescription drug--she doesnt need Obama to pander to her for her vote as that isnt fair to her kids. She wants money to stop funding planned parenthood because she doesnt understand why that charity is more worthy than her personal favorite autism. She doesnt understand why the government picks charities that are deemed more worthy than others and that if there were charities more worthy it wouldnt be women's reproductive health issues but those involving our most precious our kids. She hates the economic policies of her home state Illinois and has watched Obama learn from Illinois and use it as a guinea pig for his national economic policies with the same failures. She hates crony capitalism involvng the GOP and the unions here in Illinois bankrupting our state and refusing any sort of education reform to assist those who need it the most our inner cities.
So I guess in my household, for whatever reason they would never vote to continue the same failed policies of the past including the past 3 years.
In other words, your wife is just as deluded as you, having bought into all of the same spoon fed crap.
Good thing for this country, it appears most women are smarter then both of you.
The ladies in my family don't work. Stay-at-home suburbanite moms, all of them.
They place education as their #1 concern, followed by inclusion (2) and equality (3), and then women's health (4).
Maybe they're outliers.
Not saying they're all D or R...just their own concerns.
No at our age, its called experience Repulicant. Spoon fed is what Obama piper is providing to all his little rats that follow him blindly leading from behind. Similar to most elitest progressives on here they equate differences of opinions to intelligence but so far there are only a few Obama supporters on here that actually use critical thinking skills to post. You are certainly not one of them. Moreover, I am certain that my wife and my daughters are far more intelligent than you. So good response, wow you really got me.
Kirk -
I respect your wife's opinion, but your reasons don't make sense to me.
-How is asking for a lower rate on a student loan "bailing someone out"?
-I don't see how "equal opportunity to succeed" is the same as "equality of outcome"?
-Access to birth control through your paid-for health insurance is not "paying for it yourself"?
I also fail to see how the Romney/Ryan plan of borrowing more money to pay for even lower taxes on the wealthy and increased defense spending while "reforming" Medicare and Social Security is the kind of legacy we want to leave for our children.
While applaud your wife's determination to become a successful woman, there are a few things that you and she might want to consider.
You said She wants money to stop funding planned parenthood because she doesnt understand why that charity is more worthy than her personal favorite autism. She doesnt understand why the government picks charities that are deemed more worthy than others and that if there were charities more worthy it wouldnt be women's reproductive health issues but those involving our most precious our kids.
I'm not certain what charities you are refering to, but it sounds like you are speaking about Planned Parenthood. If that's the case, you may want to consider that federal funding for that program began in 1970 after Congress approved what President Nixon suggested. It was passed by liberals because they could easily see the benefits of families controlling their lives better and by conservatives as a way to keep more people off welfare.
You also said: She worked very hard for her professional success and isnt happy with a president who wants equality of outcomes for everyone.
I suppose you and your wife see things differently than myself and many others. While you and your wife see a president as someone who wants equal outcomes for everyone I and many others don't see it that way. I see a president who has worked very hard to help all people have a chance to enjoy a better life. He helped thousands in the auto industry by saving their jobs. He has tried to promote equal rights to the LGBT community so that they could enjoy the same benefits of marriage that heterosexual couples enjoy. He has tried to help college students by asking that institutions lower their rates so many people like your wife can attend a school without it being a financial burden to them. He has saved thousands of homes that otherwise would have been foreclosed on so families could continue to live better. He has done all these things in spite of the opposition to these things by the republicans in the House.
So, although your household may not vote for President Obama, you may want to consider more as to what Mr. Romney would or would not offer this country. As I see it, Mr. Romney has offered very little to make life better for the greater number of people in this country. From what I have heard his main concerns are to help oil companies, provide more funding to our military and to prevent women from having access to programs that they need. Is that what your family wants?
Kirk...Please explain where this president said anything about "equality of outcomes." His campaign has been about "fairness." That means that one group is not allowed to take advantage of another group simply because they have access to power because they have the most money. Since you and your wife are such scholars, you may want to revisit that great socialist Teddy Roosevelt's August 1910 speech where he said:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
Sadly you conservative paper chasers and money changers have managed to distort the message. Go figure.
If what you say is true, Kirk and the women you know are worried about the economy and a legacy of debt then they must be in a panic over the budgets proposed by either Romney or Ryan.
First of all TNSEVOL, you are asking several questions that are very good that dont equate to a far right or far left partisan position. I am not anti Obama or pro Romney on everything. For example, I give credit to Obama for taking on health care with Obamacare. I would prefer to go to a single payer or some sort of universal care/private pay system. I dont think Obamacare is a very good bill but I do think its the starting point in the health care evolution that we need. I am much more critical of Obama on his economic policies. I am a fan of Reagan and Clinton who used incentives to induce private enterprise to grow the economy. Both cut taxes and raised rates when it wouldnt negatively impact GDP growth. So first, I am not sure I care about the student loan interest rate but I think the biggest problem with college education is student loans and financial aid as all that is doing is driving up the cost of college education beyond what is a fair market for it. Colleges are bloated and wasteful and way overpriced but that said, I dont care about the rate, but I think forgiveness is a bail out.
Obama isnt just equal opportunities as we already have that. Why do we have so many people from Mexico and Asia coming to the US if we didnt have equal opportunity? Is there anything that prevents you from opening up a small business? If there was any barrier its education and who stands in the way of education reform? The teachers Unions and the democrats. Its equality of outcomes by punishing success without higher taxes, creating class warfare, creating generational entitlement expectations and eliminating the concepts of self reliance, personal accountability and consequences for the choices we make that is the centerpoint of Obama's policies.
Obama didnt mandate access to birth control, he mandated that employers fully pay for them without copays. That is considered not paying for it.
The ryan/Romney plan actually borrow $7 trillion dollars less than Obama's own budget. They also dont include lower taxes for the wealthy they include lower tax rates but a more fair and equitable IRS code by broadening the tax base and eliminating loopholes and deductions. The actual effective rate paid by the wealthy will likely go up raising revenue. As for reforming medicare and social security--that is something we have to do no matter what and both parties know it they just dont want to touch the political hot potato until they have to. Dont forget our seniors control 80% of the wealth in this country so its hard to feel too bad that we are going to slow down the wealth transfer from the working young to the wealthy seniors in the aggregate.
Kirk Still doesn't get it:
From that great socialist Teddy Roosevelt:
"Practical equality of opportunity for all citizens, when we achieve it, will have two great results. First, every man will have a fair chance to make of himself all that in him lies; to reach the highest point to which his capacities, unassisted by special privilege of his own and unhampered by the special privilege of others, can carry him, and to get for himself and his family substantially what he has earned. Second, equality of opportunity means that the commonwealth will get from every citizen the highest service of which he is capable. No man who carries the burden of the special privileges of another can give to the commonwealth that service to which it is fairly entitled."
TR was actually channeling Lincoln in this speech.
Nomoresameo--I never said that Obama was worthless and that he doesnt have good intentions or the wrong intentions. I am not a rabid conservative. I am a fiscal conservative but social liberal except for guns. I voted for Kerry over Bush because I felt Bush was one of the worst presidents of our time. I liked Clinton and Reagan. I actually like Planned Parenthood and have nothing against it as a charity I just dont understand why its more worthy than any other. I think charities should be funded privately or run by the government if funded by taxpayers. I agree in some ways Obama has and will do good things to create opportunities. No president is 100% bad or good and I never said Obama is 100% bad. Certainly his gay marriage stance is a good one if it wasnt so politically motivated but sometimes the ends justify the means. As for GM, I have mixed feelings because I think the government should have stepped in but the political favors to the unions afterwards were unnecessary. But yes in many other ways Obama is trying to create equality of outcomes.
As for what Romney would do based on what you heard? From who? It sounds like you have been listening to too many left wing think progress talking points. Listening to that is no different than me listening to Hannity or Limbaugh talking about Obama. Neither is true. Romney is not going to be limiting any access to woman's health issues. If any president would have tried that it would have been Bush and he certainly didnt. The other stuff is nonsense. That said, I have no crystal ball that says Romney will be better but I do believe that providing private enterprise incentives will grow the economy over government stimulus and nanny state entitlements.
Campdog--you do realize that the Romney/Ryan plan have $7 trillion less in debt over 10 years than Obama's own budget right?
Kirk: you do realize don't you that even Ryan admits his budget is not balanced (no where even close to it...since it holds defense spending harmless against cuts and calls for enormous tax CUTS). Why do you think Romney is certainly NOT calling it his own?? (he says it looks great but needs "study"). Romney is not going to be "limiting women's health issues"?? Seriously?? The man who says he would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and who would be appointing the Supreme Court justices to do it?? The man who says contraceptive coverage comes under state's rights? Thanks anyway. I think I'll take common sense on that one.
I believe that suburban women are no different than the majority of Americans, they want to see improvements in the economy, jobs, better education and the cutting of waste in government programs. They want people to take more responsibility for their own well being and quit relying on government to tell them when and what to do.
I do not believe either side can or should take the womens votes for granted.
So lets see if this is right, The poor are poor because they choose to be. You lost your job and house because you were to lazy to get another job. Health care is so cheap in this country if you choose not to purchase it too bad, die problem solved. That about it sfcret.
Nice attempted distortion Tis the Season .... hey, but who are we kidding, distorting reality is part of "earning your stripes' in libbie land ! You are getting quite proficient at twisting the words of another.
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But...but...but...Anne said it was Romney;s "turn" to be the GOP nominee, after all he has been trying for several years. He is not qualified...but come on...Anne says it is his "turn.....are we playing dodgeball?
We are "dodging" one Obama stupidity after another ! It is why you got "shellacked" in Nov, 2010.
Keep trying Jim and maybe somebody outside your echo chamber will believe you. You can't get there with nothing and you've got nothing. You just don't know it yet.
Lumping women into the "women's vote is like lumping all Catholics into a block. People in each of these groups have different needs, different opinions, and different attitudes. Anyone who takes either of these groups for granted or think they know what either is in favor of or against is wasting their time and effort.
Neither group votes as a block on any one issue or another. Both have people who are concerned about many issues. As a Catholic I don't agree with the left's views but because the majority of the left's views are mine also I am not going to let the one issue determine my vote. It wouldn't be in my best inerest. I believe the same goes with women in the "womens issues".
The ad assumes that women are uninformed and easy to lie to, Rove at his lying, condescending, snotty best.
Romney/Rove 2012!!! goooo superpacs!!!! Best government money can buy.
I am a Liberal Democrat and I absolutely hate that some of my Tax money goes to pay for Child Care for some women that is poor and cannot afford it.....and had kids on purpose knowing that she could not afford it.
Knowing you can't afford it and doing it is just dumb....One could say she may well just be uneducated.
Let's cut education and Family Planning....Yea that will fix the issue (Republican Idea).
But.
It's a small price to pay for keeping Republicans out of office.
They are unfit to govern for soo many reasons it makes me ill just thinking about it.
The question is often asked "if you could have a conversation with anyone......" I would love to have a conversation with Margaret Sanger. She is a hero of women's reproductive rights and would be appalled at what is going on today.