We've all changed since 2008. It's like the schoolyard bully calling his victim divisive when the victim finally fights back. The problem for the bully is that when his victim DOES fight back, they bring most of the rest of the school with them.

We've all changed. We've had a strong dose of hate and exclusion. You want to call us divisive when we turn the exclusion tide on you, go ahead... you'll find yourself all alone... excluded.

I'm actually an independent voter.

Sure you are. And you don't own a TV or listen Rush Limbaugh either.

obviously the right has refused to give him credit for extending a friendly hand to the right.

A laurel and hearty handshake, that is.

Rubio waves the war flag against the rich until it does not get him the VP spot. Republicans are reaching with this loser. Easy to "blame" or "mudsling" when your stance is nothing and thus nothing better to talk about. Sick individual.

The only diviiveness I can see in what is a very middle-of-the-road type (and I'm in my late 60s so I do remember a few presidents) is in the minds of those who can't believe they aren't running things. And dare I whisper it ... he's the first non-white president, too. Just a hunch I have, as an old grown-up-in-the-South person ... I think there is a teeny weeny bit of problem with his race in the mind's of a great many opponents who refuse to even consider that is the problem ... and that the problem is within them, not in the president. Divisive? No-o-o-o. He is not divisive, certainly not in his actions as president. He has not launched an immoral and illegal war against a nation that did not attack us, he has not instituted torture openly of perceived enemies, and he has not turned the country over wholesale to big business. So what is so divisive about him? Please tell me. Our country is the only major nation in the world without a health care system in place for all citizens. We have lost the working middle class I grew up in ... with a father who left school at age 14 because it was the 1930s and his father had died AND was still able to send his two children to college. That dream is dead because there is NO WORKING MIDDLE CLASS now. We grow ever more a nation of a few potentates and a mass of misery at the bottom. The Republicans would have you believe their rewritten version of history is the truth. Well, folks, some of us have lived their rewritten history and know it for exactly what it is. NONSENSE AND LIES. Throw the dog completely out of power until they return to the modern conservative policies of Ike Eisenhower.

The truth is, not only is Obama the most divisive US politician, he is a failed, incompetent, and unqualified US president, the worst ever in our history.

Nope, sorry, that title belongs solely to George W. Bush. He worked hard for it and, by all that's still wrong with this country, he shall have it!

[Obama] has done nothing to improve our standing in the world, to improve our economy, to generate jobs for US citizens,

...improve our standing in the world...

One of the few foreign policy achievements of the Bush administration has been the creation of a near consensus among those who study international affairs, a shared view that stretches, however improbably, from Noam Chomsky to Brent Scowcroft, from the antiwar protesters on the streets of San Francisco to the well-upholstered office of former secretary of state James Baker. This new consensus holds that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a calamity, that the presidency of George W. Bush has reduced America’s standing in the world and made the United States less, not more, secure, leaving its enemies emboldened and its friends alienated.
Bush's Amazing Achievement, Johnathan Freedland, June 14, 2007

Against this record, how could anything Obama did be any worse? 'nuff said!

... improve our economy ... generate jobs for US citizens...

...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 = 8149

DJIA May 19, 2012 = 12369

Dec 29, 2008 U.S. corporate earnings probably fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

... and on and on and on.

I call BS! You need to review the facts before spouting false, unsubstantiated crap!

Throw the dog completely out of power until they return to the modern conservative policies of Ike Eisenhower.

Hear, hear. The last great Republican to hold the office of POTUS.

Sure you are. And you don't own a TV or listen Rush Limbaugh either.

So Tony, all Independents are secretly liberal Democrats? The polling doesn't agree with you. Most Independents (by 10 points) are supporting Romney this election cycle. I am also an Independent and I will not be voting for Obama in November either. Until the Democrats can field a candidate that's more of a centrist than Obama, you can expect more of the same. The majority of Idependents are looking for moderation.

MORE proof. It is adding up after three years of DAILY proof. Honor simply no longer resides within the GOP. Rubio is a rube. So is any republican. The party and its leadership have taken the party to the depths of complete shame. We are going to teach these morally corrupt in congress a lesson folks. Get them the hell out of congress. Our children do not need these idiots examples of governance ever again.

If bush lost then why is Romney bringing back 18 out of 24 of bush's old advisers?

These are the same advisers that when our economy was bleeding millions of jobs, the only thing the republicans could even think of is to give huge amounts of money with no strings attacked to the bankers to replace that which they lost due to greed.

The republicans are the ones who told us deficits didn't matter, that was until we elected a democrat.

Now that the deficit was voted on and passed by the republicans with war and tax cuts for the richest. The republicans now want to convince the people that starving our people and making our veterans suffer even more is the answer to all our problems.

I mean really, the republicans think it is unpatriotic to ask the rich to invest in their own country?

Republicans need to take a look at our history when it was more patriotic to give to our country in war time. A time when all Americans sacrificed, not just the poor.

VOTE FOR AMERICA.....VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012

Rubio is doing nothing but pandering to his base. So what if he tells some lies... much like he claims to be a Catholic, but attending AND funding a convervative Baptist Church for the past decade... and THEN disclosing he was baptised a Mormon. Maybe that is why Mitten's likes him so much. Much like his use of the party credit card... "gee, I just grabbed the wrong card each time"... Hey brainiac... I have a small business. I have to remember to use the company card as opposed to my personal card every day...

They think dangling a person with a "hispanic" name will help get the hispanic vote. Guess what. He is Cuban-American. About 5% of the country. Hispanics from Mexico have nothing in common with Cuban-Americans. Their stories and desires couldn't be more different.

as for the topic of the story. Obama couldn't be more devisive than Dubya.... they played the patriot/non-patriot and the Christian card to the point of absurdity. If you didn't think and act like Bush then you were worse than pond scum AND un-American. What a laugh. The worst President in modern times and you guys are trying to say Obama is the devisive Pres. Just because you don't agree with him, doesn't make him devisive. It makes it politics....

Obama is a unifying figure, reaching out to the right, for example, by adopting policies such as bailing out the banks that had destroyed the economy - (major corporations have used tax payers' bailout money to pay their CEOs obscene salaries during the recession which they themselves caused).

Actually helping the banks has come naturally for Obama who grew with with his maternal grandparents - his grandma was a top executive of a bank and allow Obama to live a very comfortable early life.

One of the reasons the conservative elite don't give the president credit is that by swinging to the right, the President may threaten to destroy the Right by wining over the center and even some on the right.

Be very afraid, Repugnant Republicans.

If a Republican said it, then it must be true and we should never question whatever was said. That seems to be the approach far too many people take in this country. They don't look at the reasons things don't get done (lack of cooperation by all parties) or the non-stop "we must remove him from office at all costs but we're going to puke when we vote for our replacement" that we've heard for the last 6 months.

Rubio is pandering to his base, and trying to make a name for himself. I remember (vaguely) a few other politicians over the decades who've done that. They fade away and don't even rate a footnote in the re-written Republican history books.

I would have thought Bush was easily as divisive as Obama.

Romney the Barber is more divisive - Romney is hair-raisingly divisive - not only cutting hair (for gays), also splitting hair on important issues - thus really divisive.

I suspect that one of the main contributors to Obama's "divisiveness" is an issue that Rubio dare not mention.

Rubio is wrong! The most divisive force in American politics today are the Super Political Action Commitees which finance political action on behalf of the TGOP candidates. These SPAC's routinely and deliberately distort the facts by spreading misinformation, disinformation and false information concerning political candidates and political issues.

TGOP multimillionaires and billionaires, as a result of the Republican dominated U.S. Supreme Court decision in Citizens United V. Federal Election Commission, can now contribute unlimited money to the SPAC's and they can even arrange for their unlimited contributions to be made anonymously. This means that a very small group of ultra-wealthy individuals have candidates which are beholden to them while at the same time they exert outsized and undue influence on our political process. This is the dangerous divisiveness of the super wealth attempting to control our democratic process with distortion and unlimited money.

Why I gotta be collapsed ???.....No COH Violations.....you haters of Free Speech have got to get a grip....not everyone loves your candidate......All I wrote was :

Yes, from Barry The Uniter:

Obama Announces the 2012 Launch of African Americans for Obama

This is what racism smells like. It can't be explained away.
Would you vote for a white
person who did this? I wouldn't and I
think they would be run right
out of town if they tried it.
This is just some food for
thought if you're pondering your vote in November.
Can you imagine Santorum or Romney or Newt or Paul putting out a
call for all the white brothers
and sisters to vote for him because
he's white and so are they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BdjoHA5ocwU#

It's not a RNC ad.....It's Obama in his own words on his own Official Website.....Obama's own words captured forever on video is what is going to sink his ship.

Fool, maybe unity went where all those jobs the Tea Party promised us went?

"We have not seen such a divisive figure in modern American history than we have over the last three and one-half years."

Rubio, STFU you lying moron.

Republicans, the party of "Blame the other guy for the problems you caused."

Thom1111

Hey EEngineer,

Breaking News man! Bush lost. Get over it already.

Amen, Thom

More Breaking News:

Obama Closes the Gap in Tennessee

A new Vanderbilt University poll shows President Obama has pulled into a virtual tie with Mitt Romney in traditionally conservative Tennessee.

Romney barely edged Obama among likely voters, 42% to 41%. However, Romney has a much larger lead among registered voters, 47% to 40%.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/20/obama_closes_the_gap_in_tennessee.html

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Factor in Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, gays, and college kids you have some red meat.

Now that's quite a prize at the end of the rainbow!!

Federal spending is lower now than it was when President Obama took office. I’ll pause to let you absorb the news.

In January 2009, before President Obama had even taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top out at 23.4 percent of GDP.

Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.

One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is expected to come in at 7.6 percent.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/15/484767/obama-budget-chart/

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EEngineer should always look at the source of who is saying what.

M. Carlson...(#1.42)...."even arrange for their unlimited contributions to be made anonymously."

Labor Unions have been buying elections for decades without naming anyone....they just take all the dues and support the candidate the Union Leadership is for......Leveled Playing Field has Dems Scrambling for donors....Hence the Gay Marriage endorsement and big Rainbow Shin-Dig in Hollyweird that very night .....

So...then what's the problem? The attacks on the POTUS are not trying to make him "the other"? Hate is all you thugs have. Who is being devisive?

All you cons. get your information from Faux spew and youtube? Wow!! Credible sources???? LMFAO

All of their negativity, all of their spin, and all of their lies will come back on the GOP like a boomerang. Rubio better watch his back.

I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts. ~ Abraham Lincoln

The irony is on Rubio..beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, it's easier for a divisive person to see others as divisive.

The republicans are scrambling around like a herd of rats now that we have a president that wants to even the playing field for all Americans.

Obama is trying, the repukians are fighting it tooth and nail just so they can keep hoarding and staling the people's money for themselves and the 1%ers.

Obama 2012

Wow, I'm really impressed with this thread....twelve straight hours of liberal name calling. You guys reall are good at it!

"Mike in Delray" comment #1.48

The labor unions helped create the large and vibrant American middle class. One of the main issues which has effected the middle class is the inequity of income and the inequity of wealth in the USA. These days the top one percent of American citizens own 43% of the privately held financial wealth of the country. Unions and collective bargaining are an effective force to combat the inequality of income, the inequality of wealth and the continual concentration of the wealth into a smaller and smaller segment at the very top of our society.

The right wing propaganda machine of the ultra-rich, such as the Koch Brothers and the other extremist money-men and their politically powerful Tea/Gop friends, have as one of their goals the deceiving of the American people into believing unions are the problem. The real issue should be the way in which the system aids and abets the continual concentration of the nation's wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer of the citizens, while leaving the rest of us with less and less. Every union the right wingers can weaken or destroy facilitates the ongoing concentrating of more and more wealth into fewer & fewer hands at the very top of society.

At the some time the political right is working to delegitimize the unions and thus undermine America's middle class, we have, as an ongoing thirty year trend, the lowering of the effective tax rates on the very wealthy. In fact, the effective federal income tax rates on those with the highest incomes are the lowest they have been in decades.

If one does some research into this matter, it becomes apparent that the workers of the U.S., union and nonunion, have benefitted greatly from the efforts of unions and collective bargaining over the years. The Unions helped create American's great middle class and through their efforts obtained better working condition and better wages for all of America's workers, union and nonunion alike.

So Tony, all Independents are secretly liberal Democrats? The polling doesn't agree with you.

Yea, and polls don't lean left or right, do they? If that's all you've got to go on, you're in big trouble. Romney's behind with nearly every voting group with the exception of white males over 35. That's hardly enough to win an election anymore. In the 1800's yes. Now, no. But the only poll that matters is the one on Election Day. Romney's plans he laid out are nothing more than an extension of Geo. W Bush. The American voter isn't stupid enough to want to go back to that.

I am also an Independent and I will not be voting for Obama in November either.

Stop with that "independent voter" crap. You're nothing but a hater as your name indicates. And I'm sure you did not vote for Obama in 2008. Oh, sure, you will lie and say you did, but you didn't. Quit trying to fool people.

Until the Democrats can field a candidate that's more of a centrist than Obama, you can expect more of the same

Umm, they don't get anymore centrist than Barack Obama.

someone highly respected

"Highly respected" by a narrow slice of America, vilified and repudiated by most.

LOL @ Partisan sniping.

Democrat: My side of the coin is clearly the brighter side, Republiclown!

Republican: Nonsense, my side of the coin has the superior glint, Democrap!

Democrat: Teabagging Rethuglican!

Republican: Pinko Commie Demoncrat!

Independent: Fellows, fellows-- can't you see that the coin is lying in a pile of sh*t and neither side can claim any kind of superiority over the other? The polish on the coin has long been abraded by divisive politics from both sides. In all of the scuffle, you failed to see that the government is buried in a heap of dung exuded by an Ass and an Elephant that have been left alone in a room together for far too long. Rather than address the problem like adults, both parties have simply strapped the blinders on ever tighter and poisoned their constituents with a steady diet of lies and distractions. Congratulations American Body Politic: you're the least informed, most opinionated voting block in the history of our nation and the current state of our national and state governments clearly reflect the detrimental effect of your partisan voting habits. Patriotism is dead. In its place has been raised the hideous specter of party loyalty-- the good of the country be damned.

"Republicrat, Democran: One Party System." --Sage Francis.

I would have thought Bush was easily as divisive as Obama.

How can you say that? Bush got almost everyone in the world to agree on at least one thing, that he was a lousy president.

Rubio probably is a good match for Romney. Both of them will say or do anything to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party.

...which can be pretty low.

"The man who today occupies the White House and is running for president is a very different person," Rubio said at a high-profile GOP fundraiser, where he claimed Obama has abandoned the ideals he ran on in 2008. "We have not seen such a divisive figure in modern American history than we have over the last three and one-half years."

What the @!$%#???? Are you @!$%#ing kidding me??? You have got to be kidding me. Divisive??? This is the guy, who was inaugurated as President while his Republican colleagues in Congress were plotting his demise. How the @!$%# can you stand their and speak such lies, Rubio??? This guy compromised whenever he could, sacrificing the support of his own damn party so YOURS could be placated to work with him. And what did you and your fellow right-wing friends do??? You took the gifts with a smile and a smirk, and then kicked the President's ass and made him out to be a fool. You @!$%#ing scum deserved to be burned at the bloody stake for your treason, as you have betrayed not only the historic ideals of your party but the American people. @!$%# you all.

Rightwingwac

Hey IMHO

I think what you meant to say was that it's not class warfare unless the rich fight back because they aren't attacking the poor, nor are they causing any problems, riots, destruction etc. Has anyone been doing that lately? Oh yeah, the phony "99%" of OWS and the destructive rhetoric of the piece of garbage that holds the presidency along with his posse. Class warfare was declared by barack and OWS. Your pandering comment about the poor was severely misguided.

Hahahaha. So it was the poor who advocated a policy of deregulation and tax cuts that caused our economy to collapse and all the income and the wealth in our country to start going back to the top??? It was the poor who advocated the creation of Super Pacs and the introduction of wealth into politics??? @!$%# the damn rich. You don't need riots and protest when you have tens of millions of dollars ready to manipulate elections to further your own interests. Class warfare was declared the day when we elected a damn right-wing idiot to office in 1980 whose solution to our problems was the tax cutting and deregulatory spiral that made the rich richer, the poor poorer, and our economy to collapse. Let class warfare erupt in the streets of this country. At least let the poor stand up to the bastards that are the greedy 1%. What do you have to say for the high levels of economic inequality in this country???? That the poor are lazy welfare-sucking deadbeats that do nothing but except free handouts??? Sounds a lot like the 1% to me....

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

CLASS WARFARE MY ASS 2012

You have to wonder when you will hear from the Intelligent Republicans and not just the conservative Baboons

Poor South Carolinians! Already drowning in bullsh^t. Now Demint and Graham are having it trucked in from Florida. Well, I guess familiarity is more pleasant than reality, at least with some. Gwad!

The Republicans used gay marriage as a wedge issue to win the 2004 presidential election, and a recently leaked memo from one of their conservative "family values" allies used the words "wedge issue" to suggest how they could exploit black and hispanic attitudes about gays against them. Teabag governor Scott Walker in Wisconsin was caught on video explaining how he was going to literally use a "DIVIDE and conquer" strategy to get his way. And the Republicans are whining that Obama is "divisive?"

If Obama is "divisive," what does the GOP call blocking anyone who wants to unite in marriage with his or her same-sex partner?

What a joke. It's the GOP that is divisive, and it also wants as many women bearing dividing cells (i.e., zygotes, or what they think are "babies") as possible to control us, and divide us from our talents and potentials.

Rubie is so desperate for VP spot this lowlife would kill, he's a empty suit like the Flip Flopper !

kaybeetoys, and several other posts above -- Agreed -- "Divide and Conquer" not only comes from the GOP/Karl Rove Playbook, but has been used by Republicans at the state level across the nation.

The meeting called by Frank Luntz and Newt Gingrigh along with about 15 key Republicans on the president's inauguration day incorporates this "strategery." But these words are actually used, for example video of Scott Walker telling a campaign donor his plans to destroy public unions (carving out police and firefighters), then to go after private sector unions, and so forth.

tonybeeerm -- Exactly. "Swing voters" are not the same as "Independent," especially in these times of hyper partisanship, but mostly because many Republicans threw a temper tantrum after the Bush/Cheney administration and changed their affiliation to Independent -- Nonetheless, they will most certainly, and always vote a straight Republican ticket regardless of how unqualified the GOP/TP candidates are.

If only Teapublican divisiveness was all we had to worry about -- I just saw video of Romney (I believe it was from the speech in front of the bridge, which really should have been in front of a REAL debt clock in relation to GDP, but I digress), and what he said about Greece. We as a nation need to talk about the right-wing LIE that the US could become like Greece.

The US is NOTHING like Greece with one exception -- people not paying their damn taxes, especially the rich. But Greece is a very small, long-time troubled country, and even the EU is a very new program that is NOT structured the way the US system is structured and has been structured for 100s of years (though we need to get back to some regulations like an updated form of Glass-Steagall).

Rightwingers, there is a lesson to be learned from the EU and Greece in particular, and that is austerity would tank our economy just like it has in Europe. The other lesson is when austerity destroys the economy, extremism such as neo-Nazi fascism can rise again. So there is the economic lesson and the political lesson -- But the rightwing is too entrenched in old, failed, debunked ideology, and the rightwing Echo Chamber lies about debt/deficits and how this is all we should worry about.

While Boehner was threatening another debt ceiling debacle, the GOP/TP House voted for defense spending above the previous agreed amounts. The Paul Ryan budget that Teapublicans have tried to pass multiple times increases tax breaks for the rich above and beyond the Bush tax cuts, adding to the deficit/debt. The actions don't match the words at all.

In the meantime Republicans continue their divisive War on Women stripping out the Violence Against Women Act -- only one of the 100s of legislation against women's rights (equal pay, contraception and abortion, health care). And all the while, what have the Republicans done since 2008 to create jobs? What?! The Dems were barely able to pass the stimulus, which if it had been stronger, and the states were still able to employ teachers, etc., the unemployment rate would only be 7% right now.

We cannot afford a plutocrat like Romney to be POTUS, and we have to throw the Tea Party out. -- Obama/Biden - 2012!

I second that, throw the nutty TeaBaggers Out on their Butt's !

• Teabaggers, how do you like your NUTS???

"The president and his party’s view of America’s government and our lives is a failed one,” Rubio said. “It hasn’t worked. His ideas that sounded so good in the classrooms of Harvard and Yale haven’t really worked out well in the real world."

I would like this guy to explain away the problems brought to this country by a republican president Bush..who brought this huge debt the republicans now complain about to us citizens with tax cuts for his wealthy friends and a war that was not paid for. Its sad however that no one asks real questions...nor push for real answeres to them. The republicans in power today in their own party are pushing for the very same things that placed us aLL WHERE we are today...and that is in a failed economy. Evidently it is not bad enough..now they want more of the same.

Breaking News man! Bush lost. Get over it already.

Breaking news, man! Bush Lite is running now! Get prepared for even worse economic results if he wins!

Marco Rubio obviously han't met any of his Tea/Publican colleagues over the pat two years. The most disastrous bunch of twerps there has ever been. Isn't the Tea/Party line? That will be a no vote please. That's a bill to put the squeeze on the poor, elderly, disabled and children? That will be an aye vote please.

Funny how MSNBC considers it news when Republicans point out the divisiveness of Obama but when his fellow Democrats do it they ignore it... gotta keep the sheep docile and clueless.

Cory Booker slams Obama campaign ad attacking Romney’s Bain Capital record

"Newark Mayor Cory Booker slammed the Obama campaign's ad criticizing Mitt Romney's record as the head of Bain Capital, and called for an end to"nauseating" attacks from both sides."

"I have to just say from a very personal level, I'm not about to sit here and indict private equity," Booker, a Democrat, said in an appearance on NBC's "Meet The Press" on Sunday. "To me, it's just we're getting to a ridiculous point in America. Especially that I know I live in a state where pension funds, unions and other people invest in companies like Bain Capital. If you look at the totality of Bain Capital's record, they've done a lot to support businesses, to grow businesses."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cory-booker-slams-obama-ad-attacking-romney-bain-200058987.html

"I've got a chance to travel with Marco (Rubio), he's the future of the Republican party..." - Senator Lindsey Graham.

Well, I for one certainly hope that's true!

Because that will make it so much easier to dismiss his ilk in the Republican party as a bunch of blustering, political hack empty-suits without ideas and allow competent, qualified people to get on with the generation-long task of repairing the damage done by the last Republican president.

gcooper8 - I live in Florida and I couldn't agree more. Rubio is a Book Licker and was swept in on the Tea Party wave just like our crazy, criminal governor Scott. Hopefully they will be swept back out as soon as possible.

the gop/cons is so full of it. it's incredibly insane how they are attempting to perpetuate the idea that americans should find the disparity between rich, poor and the middle class as an example of the american dream.

those addressing the unfairness of the stagnant and declining wages and living standards are labeled as envy mongers wanting to bring down the rich. the rank and outrageous proposition that halting the increasing disparity between the classes will destroy the rich is an egregious insult to america's intelligence.

rubio's claim is you can't make the nation stronger by taking from those who have and giving to those that don't. rubio and his party's agenda is to take from those who have the least and increase funneling to those that have the most.

rep/cons push to cut the wages of or fire public workers then spew about the new low living standards and high unemployment and blame president obama. what a bunch of hypocritic cretins.

rubio pontificates to his right wing audience on the rewards of sacrifice and hard work in anticipation of the repubs regaining the white house. he's preparing them (without admission) for the fact that if the gop wins things will be getting better only for the rich.

get ready for the inevitable serfdom and plutocracy in america

RushISaPIG

• Teabaggers, how do you like your NUTS???

Click on my picture... that's proof that he is a pig. Nose and ears to go with it.

Thanks to President Obama, the "Great Divider" has accomplished:

In America could the people who believe in balancing the budget
and sticking by the country’s Constitution be thought of as “extremists.”

In America could we have had the two people most responsible for
our tax code — Timothy Geithner, the head of the Treasury Department and
Charles Rangel who once ran the Ways and Means Committee — turn out to be
tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

In America could the government collect more tax dollars from the
people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a trillion dollars
more than it has per year for total spending ($7 million PER MINUTE), and
complain that it doesn’t have nearly enough money.

In America could the rich people who pay 86% of all income taxes
be accused of not paying their “fair share” by people who don’t pay any
income taxes at all.

MtMike-571674

Thanks to President Obama and his policies

in America could you need to present a driver’s license to cash a
check or buy alcohol, but not to vote

People have been voting for 236 years in this country and never needed any of these ridiculous laws before.... But now since republicans are looking for every single vote in this election they pass these laws and all of a sudden they are needed and Obama is anti American for being against them?

What happened to all that freedom you fake patriots love so much?

Who do you think is going to steal the election? Illegal immigrants will vote for Obama? Who are these laws designed for? felons?

Division is what this country has had since Nixon collected dossiers on every person who had a political opinion. The Reps have done everything, including chicanery in the General elections to defeat the will of the people since then. They have succeeded too often. The Reps will do anything to destroy any Dem in office, especially the president. The Moral Majority was a flash in the pan and fell apart as soon as they discovered the Southern Baptist agenda was being ignored. In other words, that Majority did not exist. The Trickle Down Voodoo economics was a failure but the Reps deify Reagan. Bush 1 was a decent man who tried to do it right but had to finally go back on his word (Read my lips) and then stop the Gulf War because he knew we could not nation build in that area. Bush jr tried the old GOP method of boosting the economy by starting a war and when it didn't give the kick he expected, he started another. Now the Right wingnuts have been working to make sure that nothing gets done with this Democrat president so they can point to a failed administration. The best opposition they can put up is a corporate raider and point at the jobs he has created and ignore his real record, Romney Care and a fortune made by stripping company assets. The real reasons are more than political that this nation is divided. 25% on either side will always be on that side, enen id Idi Amien was their candidate. The other 50% will be split almost down the middle and will decide at the last minute. It's too bad that this political system has degraded to the bias of color and crude attacks on birthplace. I hope this country can get it together and do the right thing. I think "Stimulus" has been the wrong thing to do, but once started it has to continue because if it changes to "Austerity" then the fall is too great to recover from in a single generation. Austerity is what should have been done in the first place. The pain would have been great but the recovery would be real. If the Reps could put up a candidate that was good for the country, then I would be the first to turn in my Liberal membership card, but right now, I have it in a guilt frame.

@ Alex Cali

Thanks to President Obama, his administration, his policies,

in America would we make people who want to legally become
American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of
thousands of dollars for the privilege while we discuss letting anyone who
sneaks into the country illegally just become American citizens.

in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a
$40,000-a-plate campaign fund raising event.

Funny....if you don't agree with our vision for the destruction and enslaving of the American middle-class you are being "devisive". The great Rubio and Republican con job continues....we'll see come November.

MtMike-571674

@ Alex Cali

Thanks to President Obama, his administration, his policies,

in America would we make people who want to legally become
American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of
thousands of dollars for the privilege while we discuss letting anyone who
sneaks into the country illegally just become American citizens.

in America could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a
$40,000-a-plate campaign fund raising event.

Tell me what laws Obama has passed that made illegals citizens or laws that they have discussed that will actually do that? Dream act?? Even republicans support the dream act. I really believe that if republicans hadn't left the country in such a mess Obama would have tackled Immigration reform in hes first year, but instead he had to devote hes time to fixing the economic mess republicans left.

the only person in the last 30 years that has discussed and did something for illegal immigrants was Ronald Reagan a republican.

The koch brothers had a fund raising event back in January or February at 1 million dollar a plate.

Just wait until the president starts calling out the flip flopper on what he plans to do with the economy if he becomes president and people will realize that he wants to go back to Bush era policies.

@ alex cali

The Obama Administration, the US Attorney General, is suing the State of Arizona, for passing and enforcing, exsisting US FEDERAL LAWS on immigrants to the US where the Law states, immigrants to the US must carry proof of their status.

Soon, we will get a Supreme Court Decision overturning Obamacare and Obama's not following the LAW OF THE LAND!

Umm, they don't get anymore centrist than Barack Obama

tonybeerm - lol, this is true only during election season... hehe the guy needs to get votes!

To call Obama centrist is to say you don't understand what he is.... or what he has been doing the last 4 years.....it is true, libbies say the craziest things!

Let class warfare erupt in the streets of this country.

Better yet, let it take place in the voting booth. The one percenters have only one percent of the vote! We could put them in their place. We have the power, if we would only use it!

Why are we letting them make slaves of the rest of us? This is a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people, is it not?

If apathetic Americans would just get out and vote, we would rule this country!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Eengineer - callling President Obama the "worst President or most incompeteent President " does nothing more than expose your historical illiteracy. My advice for a place to start educating yourself about bad Presidents would be the tenure of Woodrow WIlson. A truly ineffectual executive who. among other blunders helped plant the seeds for WWII through his inability to negotiate with the leaders of the winnning side in WWI. OF ccourse this would require you to educate yourself and consequently might make you change some of your non-fact-based opinions. I know that's a lot to ask but dig deep and you'lll find the efffort worthwhile.

Leftisfuzzy: You might want to take a look at your own reasoning abilities before making any baseless charges...Where exactly is the proof that Obama is "divisive"? Certainly not by hard evidence. Being "divisive" takes more than being disliked by the extremists who dominate the opposition party. In other words...no one is buying that extremist partisan language except those who already drink the Rush/Roe Kool-aide. Obama is divisive among the haters, the extremists and the racists--how shocking is that? These are exactly the folks who will be shocked, SHOCKED, at the re-election numbers in November and will whine all through the second term about "sheepie"...Geez, wake up already and talk about issues. Are you FOR continuing the wars? Are you for returning America to status as the only developed country in the world without any kind of minimum national health care? Are you for electrified fences, college educations reserved for the elite wealthy, tax burdens paid overwhelmingly by the overwhelmed middle class and save your ecnomic sympathy mainly for Wall Street bankers? A war on women masquerading as "social policy"? Let's see real issues debated about why you want Romney in office. And you wonder why anyone is accusing the Republican Party of resorting to tactics like fear and hatred to shore up its base??

I'm not a Rubio fan, but I do think Obama is the most divisive president in my lifetime (born in the 60's).

More than Nixon, for example? I think not.

I really don't remember any president before Carter, so I don't know about Nixon. Also, the "divisive" label is an opinion, so I wouldn't expect everyone to agree on who is the most divisive...

I agree with Colson above. These Super PACS are going to be the downfall of America. We have a candidate for congress this year that hasn't lived in our state for over 15 years. Suddenly he moves back to Arkansas, runs for office and guess where the the majority of his money is coming from??? Carl Rove's Super PAC. It is disgusting.. and he is now ahead in the polls.. Has raised a million dollars comparted to about $100,000 for the other 4 candidates.

Rubio is correct, Obama is divisive and his campaign strategy reflects that attitude.

Instead of talking about his record, instead of attempting to build on his "accomplishments", he focuses on Bain Capital. Bain Capital had a 78% success record which was not perfect, but decent.

Obama seeks to pit the "rich" against the "poor".

Republicans made him divisive with THEIR rehtoric. Any idiot can CLEARLY see it. Simply continued phonyness we have seen for over 3 years now. Unbelievable. Honor no longer resides in the GOP. Nothing more, nothing less.

well, lets see how "socialist" Obama is VS Nixon.

Nixon started the EPA

Nixon signed the Endangered Species Act

Nixon ordered a nationwide wage and price freeze

Nixon pushed hard for a National Health Care Plan that was far more socialized than what Obama got through

Nixon opened relations with (then) very Communist China

yep, Nixon's actions sure look a lot more socialist and communist than anything Obama has done

this entire song and dance about "Obama the communist" is nothing but smoke and mirrors for the gullible

MtMike-571674

@ alex cali

The Obama Administration, the US Attorney General, is suing the State of Arizona, for passing and enforcing, exsisting US FEDERAL LAWS on immigrants to the US where the Law states, immigrants to the US must carry proof of their status.

Soon, we will get a Supreme Court Decision overturning Obamacare and Obama's not following the LAW OF THE LAND!

They are suing the state because of the way the want to enforce those existing laws. By profiling people.

Go up to somebody with brown skin and ask them for their papers. Does that seem fair to you? I think the constitution grants you some basic rights even though you just hoped over the border 10 seconds ago. And that includes not being profiled because of the way you look.

Arent you people the freedom lovers and devoted patriots... except if it has brown skin no rights even though they might be US citizens. I'm for asking people for their papers once they are in a jail for committing a crime or for simply landing in jail for whatever reason. And that's what the DOJ is suing for.

I got some bad news for you the supreme court may never fully repeal the entirety of ObamaCare. Some parts might be ruled unconstitutional. But that's why the bill is more than 2000 pages long, if one of the parts is unconstitutional theres loop holes in there that will fix that. And all legal man.

And you are right, it is ObamaCare!!!!!!

1 year into Obama's first term, Rubio was reading teleprompter jokes about the President off of a teleprompter. They have some nerve saying Obama is divisive.

And, can you believe, this from one of the members of our beloved and respected Congress. Dare I need to say more about Senator Marco Rubio? Ya, the same one that supposed to be on the 'short-list' for Vice President. If he wasn't serious it would be laughable! Is this guy trying out for the Daly show or Jay Leno?

No matter what kind of lies, BS, slander, deceit, the right-wing nut jobs spew about THIS President, he is TEN TIMES better then ANY candidate the rethugs have to offer up! Even with all the obstruction, his record, and accomplishments are better then both bushes, and ray-gun's!!

Its a sad statement when the Teabaggers blame their own poor decisons in life in on a mexican fruit picker, a union worker, or 'gubmint'. As if they have ruined their life.

Teabaggers are f-n frauds, blaming others for their own poor choices.

alex cali

The US immigrant law and the way it is enforced, has to do with immigrants carrying ID and proving their status, matters not if your white, brown, mexican, asian or whatever. Carrying proof of status and who you are is the key. Just like any US CITIZEN has to do.

Obama WANTS ILLEGALS SO THEY WILL VOTE FOR HIM, while they DRAW ON THE US ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS.

Obama the FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT where there is more government fraud and LACK OF ENFORCEMENT on the Federal Level than any other time in the History of the US! Check the numbers.

Rubio is right!

Rubio is a token hispanic vote to Mitt Witt. He doesn't really care about this group of people if they don't vote for him.

MtMike get your facts straight, I think you've been too long in the mountains. The only thing the FED objects to in the AZ. law is stopping people for no other reason than that they look hispanic. Does the GOP endorse that? If so then Romney can basically kiss their vote good-bye, Rubio or no Rubio.

How'd you like it if some cop stopped and harassed you for not other reason than being white? Asian or Native American or whatever group is out of favor now.

MtMike-571674

alex cali

The US immigrant law and the way it is enforced, has to do with immigrants carrying ID and proving their status, matters not if your white, brown, mexican, asian or whatever. Carrying proof of status and who you are is the key. Just like any US CITIZEN has to do.

Obama WANTS ILLEGALS SO THEY WILL VOTE FOR HIM, while they DRAW ON THE US ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS.

Obama the FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT where there is more government fraud and LACK OF ENFORCEMENT on the Federal Level than any other time in the History of the US! Check the numbers.

Illegals to vote for him? you just lost the argument dude. Even if Obama had taken on immigration reform on January 21 2009 it will still be 2 more years until these people can become US citizens and then vote.

Food stamps, SS, Medicare, welfare??? Show me a link to where you know of illegals that qualify for any of these programs??? You are mistaken man!!! jajaja illegals with SS or Medicare. Their newborns might qualify for some of those programs but even now its getting harder for them.

The food stamp president? Almost 20 million people with out work after the Bush terms and you just expected to go to the food lines huh?

Republicans left the country in a mess.... 1930's dejavu all over again and the lack of governement intervention made things worse and longer than they had to be. Theres a quote from Bush Dec 2008 if the economy needs more government intervention then ill make sure it gets it.

Show me some links to the numbers??

Are you talking about the 1.42 trillion dollar deficit Bush left for 2009??? and that by next years budget it will be below 900 billion. A 500 plus billion cut from the dificit all while helping Americans deal with the Mess Republicans left.

The notion of a "liberal" media is long-gone. The news outlets have been bought out by huge mega-corporations, and they are no longer liberal. Despite the tired rhetoric that Rush uses, the sad fact is that the media is actually quite to the right. hank #1.6 - Sun May 20, 2012 6:05

well said truth. the media is not interested in reporting news. they rely on recycling nonsense to distract from what is important information.

since they determine what issues will be covered that will be in there best corporate interests. in doing so they neglect to inform the american people of vital information such as what is really happening with the economy is really due to global marketing rather than playing the obama blame game and other issues they use as scape goats.

they send enormous amount of time giving blow by blow air time to secret service cavorting with prostitutes in columbia rather than informing us of the foreign policy progress president obama has made there.

where do we go to get truth in reporting? i sure don't know.

alex cali - you should venture into the REAL world and personally drive around Arizona, Texas, California, Florida, NevaDA and see what is happening, instead of living in Obama's (and the left) "idealism" of what the world is like.

Your Link(s)

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2011/04/71-percent-of-illegal-immigrants.html

http://www.infowars.com/left-ignores-facts-claim-no-illegal-immigrants-voting-in-us-elections/

Rubio is much like that brown mark on a public toilet seat. You know exactly what it is, the only questions are how it got to be there and will it re-appear if you try to wipe it off?

MtMike-571674

alex cali - you should venture into the REAL world and personally drive around Arizona, Texas, California, Florida, NevaDA and see what is happening, instead of living in Obama's (and the left) "idealism" of what the world is like.

Your Link(s)

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2011/04/71-percent-of-illegal-immigrants.html

http://www.infowars.com/left-ignores-facts-claim-no-illegal-immigrants-voting-in-us-elections/

That first link is pretty good and they make some good points. But you said Obama wants illegals to vote for him. You still didn't prove that. Obama administration has deported more illegals than Bush did in 8, if your claim was true than i think he will be trying to let them in not take them out.

Like the article stated people that are immigrants are voting and many don't know that they have to be citizens first instead of just having a permit to be here. The case in Compton CA it was fraud and mostly on the people trying to get into the seat. Not because illegal immigrants wanted their candidate to win.

Dude the fact check link totally agrees with what i said before. The kids of illegal immigrants (Us citizens) are the ones using the services not the illegal immigrants. Many people on here and elsewhere believe that Illegals qualify for free medical and dental and all kinds of freebies. IT IS NOT TRUE. I work part time in a dentist office fixing their computers and believe me people pay cash for dental services. You also hear stories of people collecting SS and unemployment benefits that's not true its not even possible.

INfo wars.. alex jones??? no way...

Like the article stated people that are immigrants are voting and many don't know that they have to be citizens first instead of just having a permit to be here.

alex cali #1.111

i have never understood the claim that undocumented workers are able vote.

how is this possible and if it isn't why does the media (especially the alleged liberal media) let the right wing spew such nonsense?

i have never understood the claim that undocumented workers are able vote.

hey, I read it in an e-mail, so it MUST be true!

ROFLMAO!!!

danwill...(#1.113).....These are NOT e-mails....And it may just be a few thousand votes that decides which way Florida goes in November.

Over 3,000 illegals get Florida (Real ID) Drivers Licence ....making them "Legal Voters"

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/122737034.html

Another Florida case:

"Shirley was sentenced Jan. 25 to 30 months in federal prison. Gaitrie Latchman was sentenced Feb. 28 to 28 months. The Latchmans would arrange for illegal immigrants to obtain Florida driver licenses for a per-person fee ranging from $2,500 to $3,000, officials said. Shirley assisted in his role as an examiner at the Clermont office of the Florida Department of Driver Licenses, officials said."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-29/news/os-illegal-immigrants-fake-drivers-license-20120329_1_winter-garden-man-federal-prison-illegal-immigrants

In Nevada:

"Feds: 187 illegal immigrants paid up to $3,000 for driver's licenses"

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-09/justice/nevada.illegal.licenses_1_illegal-immigrants-licenses-federal-agency?_s=PM:CRIME

Back to Florida:

"MIAMI — In an attempt to clear the voter rolls of noncitizens, a move that had set off criticism and a threatened lawsuit, Florida election officials decided on Thursday to use information from a federal database to check a list of 182,000 voters who they suspect are not citizens, officials said. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/us/florida-attempts-to-scrub-illegal-voters.html

Oh, and by the way, irene46 and danwill....In March 2011, the U.S. DHS announced that the deadline for full compliance with the REAL ID Act had been extended from:

May 10, 2011 to Jan. 15, 2013.....

How Convenient that Janet Napolitano would make such a ruling...tell me that wasn't right out of the Political Wing Of The WhiteHouse...No Real ID till after the 2012 Election.....

mike, that was at the request of states that are sick of having to pay for yet more unfunded mandates by congress(regardless of what political hacks are in control)

@ Alex Cali

Dude the fact check link totally agrees with what i said before. The kids of illegal immigrants (Us citizens) are the ones using the services not the illegal immigrants. Many people on here and elsewhere believe that Illegals qualify for free medical and dental and all kinds of freebies. IT IS NOT TRUE. I work part time in a dentist office fixing their computers and believe me people pay cash for dental services. You also hear stories of people collecting SS and unemployment benefits that's not true its not even possible.

The discussion becomes, should the kids of illegal immigrants (US Citizens) be granted US citizenship because their parent crossed the border illegally to have the kid born here! Many Countries do not allow such, and the US does. That the US GRANTS US Citizenship means there are many "US Citizens" now back in Mexico, because their illegal parent HAD TO LEAVE and are receiving US BENEFITS, rewarding a criminal act, illegal entry, to have a baby in the US, so they can draw on US ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS!

I am in my sixties, and I have "acquaintences" who draw unemployment, social security, AND their retirement from "their" chosen career. No one says that is legal, but FRAUDING GOVERNMENT is rampant when there is no enforcement.

I also have "acquaintences" who draw unemployment or disability or social security and WORK for "cash under the table"!

Under the Obama Administration (OR IN CALIFORNIA) Government Entitlement Fraud is rampant!

Under the Obama Administration NO ONE IN GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CLEAN UP GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT FRAUD!

Cleaning up Government Fraud might hurt Obama's re-election chances.

"Of course, some immigrants who are here without legal permission do end up receiving Social Security and other benefits, through bureaucratic mistakes or through deliberate fraud. The Government Accountability Office has even called this a "serious problem," though the GAO also says that "the full extent of benefit fraud is unknown."

The discussion goes back to the GOVERNMENT FRAUD ISSUE AND LACK OF ENFORCEMENT BY GOVERNMENT!

More Links:

http://archive.gao.gov/d45t15/150100.pdf

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/social-security-for-illegal-immigrants/

joe-2849984

Sherry, you're right. And the GOP will continue to fight any of Obama's progressive policies. Take all the social programs to another country.

Joe, what social programs are you refering to? Do you consider programs such as Medicaid/Medicare to be social programs?

Interestingly the majority of states that have greater than 25% of their population covered by Medicaid/Medicare happen to fall within, wait for it...states that have Republican leadership!

Arizona, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia.

These countries all lead the nation in the greatest % of population on Medicaid/Medicare. Incidentally, the vast majority of states that receive more in Federal spending than they pay in federal taxes....RED states!

Please, explain to me how the GOP is so anti-entitlements and pro-spending cuts, when they represent the greatest offenders of federal programs for their consituents and tax cuts for the wealthy?

It's time that the BLUE states stop SUBSIDIZING the RED States.

Rubio's comment is one of the most ludicrous statements of this political season. Divisive?? Give me a break. Tea Party Republicans and the Republican Party in general are so far to the right and so hell bent on their own agenda (the country's agenda and the country's welfare be damned) that, by definition, anything the Republicans do is going to be divisive. Compromise has been thrown out the window. Obama is described as having a secret agenda to destroy the country. How totally ludicrous and divisive can these Republicans get? Where in their psyche does this insanity come from? How stupid do they think we are??

...the logical home of the limited government

That would be the libertarians or anarchists Rubio. The republicans believe in limited government in business but they like the government in your bedroom. They also like to spend hundreds of billions on the military. That is NOT limited government. He should really pick up a history book and learn what limited government means before he says stupid crap like this.

Can we assume then Satanick that you are unfamiliar with Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution? There are 18 Clauses in that section and 8 of them deal directly or indirectly with the Military and National Defence, by far the most addressed issue in the section. The Military and National Defence are Constitutionally mandated responsibilities of the Federal Government!

Well, he's proven himself to be a dope and a liar. Isn't there a way to send the little schmuck back to Castro?

Ted - they may be mandated, but not at current spending levels. Our annual military spending is $1.409 trillion per year. The number two country spends $66 billion on it's military, so we spend 22.6 times more than they do. If we put our military expenditures on one side of a scale, we would have to add the military budgets of all other nations on Earth to make the scale balance (193 countries). We could cut our military spending by 95% and our military budget would still be the highest of all, exceeding the number 2 country's spending by 8 billion 53 million dollars per year.

Since our annual deficits are $1.25 trillion, your entire income tax obligation doesn't cover your part of our military spending. That should bother you.

That's obscenely high, and George Washington warned about it in his farewell address. He said we should avoid wars in foreign countries and concentrate on securing our own land.

I think he was correct.

the reason he is divisive is because the GOP decided to oppose every single thing he proposes, even Republican ideas.

That is part of their reasoning but it really boils down to the following facts.

They hate him for being the wrong party, the wrong color, they hate him because he is smarter than most of them are, but they hate him mainly because he has been successful at a lot of the policies that they stand against. Blame him for what he has said or done, or not said or done, but don't blame him for being divisive mainly because he has been more successful than they have.

Despite all of their childish antics, he is still head and shoulders above any of the losers that the right has offered as a candidate. Just more of their same deflecting onto him what anyone with a working brain can see as the faults and flaws of the r/tp/con mindset. Can't find much of any real substance to blame him for, so blame him for being divisive. There is plenty of blame for him to answer for but being divisive is not one of those things.

This is my favorite part of the political battle. When you have no record to run on yourself you just attack the other guy with talking points. Notice they never say how he's failed or give specifics just that his policies have failed. Which policies? Who sets the policies anyway? I love the way they say "where are the president's proposals?" and I counter with when are you going to put one to a vote instead of saying "no" to everything. (Yes I know who runs the senate if that's what the "right" is going to say but say what you want, Reid is smarter than people think which makes the right mad).

I have always said if you really want to say the President's policies have failed, approve one and watch what happens instead of trying everything in your power to keep them from being implemented(exp. affordable care act). It's wonderful that they have a senator who hasn't been in office a good 2 years the authority to criticize the President but I guess that's what politicians do.....

"the reason he is divisive is because the GOP decided to oppose every single thing he proposes, even Republican ideas."

Senator McCain even filibustered a bill he sponsored after President Obama said he favored it. The President wanted to streamline and do away with some federal agencies but the Senate Republicans - the same ones who are always running their yaps abut big government -- blocked it.

Notice they never say how he's failed or give specifics just that his policies have failed. Which policies?

Which policies have succeeded? As for Rubio only being in office for 2 years, Obama became a US Senator in January of 2005 and announced his candidacy in February of 2007. I guess in your mind 2 years experience is not enough "criticize the President" but enough to run for his office?

SI

Rubio should "divide" his credit cards so as to not "accidentally" use the State of Florida card for personal pleasures. To him on this issue i just say Shut Up..........

So Seattle indie, you don't think that any of President Obama's policies have succeeded?

And yet you think that voting for Romney who thinks the Ryan/Rubio budget is marvelous which has been proved that the republicans polices will create another recession here in America just like they did in England.

Yes all the indies I know are voting to create another recession on purpose by voting for a republican.

VOTE FOR EDUCATION....VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012

Rubio says, "We have not seen such a divisive figure in modern American history than we have over the last three and one-half years."

Apparently he has never heard of Nixon, Boehner, McCarthy, or the Civil War. Rubio is just another lying Republican. Integrity and moral courage are not virtues that are embraced by the GOP, unfortunately.

Maybe he is a devisive figure because the Republicans are WRONG. President Obama is doing what the vast majority of Voting Americans want him to do "Lead the Nation". The Republicans are standing on the side lines saying that won't work, cut taxes that will improve the economy, extend the Bush tax cuts, don't raise the debt ceiling, spend more on Defense, and cut social programs.

Does any of that make sense to the Amnerican people NO.

We eliminated income to the Federal budget by temporary tax cuts ( Bush). How can you balance a budget by cutting your income? DUMB.

Don't rsaise the debt ceiling? Why? By not raising the ceiling it will cost more to borrow money both private sector and the government. DUMB.

Spend more on Defense. We are winding down two Republican wars, and the House Republicans want to spend BILLIONS more than the Defense Department wants to spend in the coming years. DUMB.

Cut Social Security. The Republicans call it a Voucher system but it is a decrease in Social Security income for seniors regardless of what it is called. The Government used the social security fund a a private loan company and now the Citizens want their money back and guess what, The fund is broke. It is broke because the Government stole/used the income as general revenue and did not invest the income so that the future payments could be met. It is the Governments fault the Social Security Trust Fund is BROKE.

They knew what the income was and what the outflow was going to be but they did not provide any investments to obtain the necessary funds to make the payments. dumb

This lowlife Rubio is from the Tea Retarded Nuts, this RightWingWacko is moving into Mitt Romney's Outhouse so he can kiss the Flip Flopper's butt for VP !

Ya know, here's the real problem with Republicans and their claim that entitlements are the reason that the national debt is out of hand...

When Bush started in 2001, the country was very close to a balanced budget. 8 years later, Bush had spent $6.1T more than the country took in and the economy was a shambles. What happened? Did entitlements rise $6.1T? NO! Government size increased by 104%!! The very thing that Bush said then and Republicans say now they are against! Now why should I believe they will do what they said they would before and didn't?

Funny how MSNBC considers it news when Republicans point out the divisiveness of Obama but when his fellow Democrats do it they ignore it... gotta keep the sheep docile and clueless.

Cory Booker slams Obama campaign ad attacking Romney’s Bain Capital record

"Newark Mayor Cory Booker slammed the Obama campaign's ad criticizing Mitt Romney's record as the head of Bain Capital, and called for an end to"nauseating" attacks from both sides."

"I have to just say from a very personal level, I'm not about to sit here and indict private equity," Booker, a Democrat, said in an appearance on NBC's "Meet The Press" on Sunday. "To me, it's just we're getting to a ridiculous point in America. Especially that I know I live in a state where pension funds, unions and other people invest in companies like Bain Capital. If you look at the totality of Bain Capital's record, they've done a lot to support businesses, to grow businesses."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cory-booker-slams-obama-ad-attacking-romney-bain-200058987.html

Around here, the reason Obama is so divisive is that there are a ton of racists and homophobes. I'm sorry, but if you're dumb enough to believe Obama was born in Kenya, etc., then I don't really care what your opinion of the man is.

@ Seattle Indie, Let's just see.....its because of the Affordable care act my daughter who is in college still has health care coverage WHICH I PAY FOR. It's because of the President's veterans initiative, I was FINALLY able to procure a job after 2 years of unemployment. It was because of the president's policy on foreclosures I was able to keep my home instead of losing it. It was because of the Stimulus package that was slowed thanks to republicans that the unemployment rate is remained steady instead of ticking upwards. It was because of the president's policy of tax breaks for small businesses that created 2.4 million jobs in the past 24 months.

I think I'll stop right there. I don't want to overload your senses.

The Military and National Defence are Constitutionally mandated responsibilities of the Federal Government!

Yes, but let's remember that until WWII, the US basically disarmed after each war, reducing its military to minimal levels. If the GOP wants to return us to the good old days (that never existed) of "minimal government", they'd support cutting the military to a fraction of its current size.

Now, that would be stupid. But, its the logical extension of GOP policies that seem focused on living in the 19th century.

Barry,

I agree disarming would be stupid, but how about cutting the military budget by 50% over the next 10 years? This was basically what Bush 1 and Clinton did - and it seemed to work well for them.

We are not going to win the "war on terror" with carrier battle groups - we are going to win it by infiltrating organizations and carrying out surgical strikes.

Lets see what has Obama proposed, oh yeah, tax, borrow, print, and spend. Obama is nothing more then president in name only. Obama and the Democrats conjured up the war on women, class warfare, and of course the Obama house specialty race warfare. Obama is by far the most divisive president ever, not a shred of leadership in his resume. Ram, accuse, blame, envy, hate, those are the words that better describe Obama. The nation fell for a catchy campaign slogan and a charismatic reader, but as president Obama is the worst this country has ever seen.

When Obama told Republicans they could "come along for the ride" but "would have to sit at the back of the bus" that set the tone for his presidency !

If Republicans had said this, the screams of RACISM would have shattered the decibel scale !!

If that were true, how in the World do you explain the fact that he was ever elected in the first place? Your statement is illogical on it's face!

Well, Ted, I happened to see about a hundred tea partier emails - before he was elected. When people say the baggers are racist, they're engaging in understatement. And your statement shows a facefull of ignorance. But then republicans hate the past - 30 years of failed economic policies and promises of more of the same.

I'm struck by an image of talking rats, standing around licking their fur, all bemoaning the fact that their vile disease carrying relatives are all victimized by humans who try to reduce their numbers. Ugh.

The Tea Baggers and their Republican allies are society's rats. They offer nothing of value to anyone, hide behind the rhetoric of growth while pursuing economic suicide, claim to be holier than thou while harboring more hatred than any one person can carry without imploding, claim to be more productive while they hoard their wealth, and more greedy as they avoid taxes and social supports. Ugh.

Well, jri37, the site that you directed us to states clearly that the first protest of the tea party took place in Feb., 2009, not that it was formed then. It also states that the tea party had an online presence prior to that. What was that about being accurate?

Nina, from your own liberal mouth piece the NY Times.

The Tea Party is an antigovernment, grass-roots political movement. It began in 2009 in protest of the bank bailout and economic stimulus package. Its supporters vowed to purge the Republican Party of officials they consider not sufficiently conservative and to block the Democratic agenda on the economy, the environment and health care. Tea Party supporters tend to unite around fiscal conservatism and a belief that the federal government has overstepped its constitutional powers.

Tea Party Movement - The New York Times

The GOP TeaBaggers are putting Mitt the Flip Flopper on counterfeit bills !

Tea Party supporters tend to unite around fiscal conservatism and a belief that the federal government has overstepped its constitutional powers.

but has absolutely no problem invading a woman's privacy, or wasting hundreds of billions of tax dollars on keeping an outrageous and unnecessary defense budget.

Ted,

President Obama was elected in the first place by a majority of the population of this country. Your statement is pointless on it's face.

Yes, he "SOLD" some gullible voters on the vagueness of "hope and change". Selling intangibles, however, comes back to reality when unemployment is high, national debt increases are through the roof and we still have no budget in his 4th year of office.

Obama has no realistic concept of how to create a workable budget, nor has he ever offered one to Congress.

Last thing on this subject.

1. Government spending is lower than when President Obama took office.

2. Government deficits are lower than when President Obama took office.

3. Federal Taxes are lower than when President Obama took office.

4. Private sector jobs have gone up for 27 consecutive months (all during President Obamas term)

5. The president can only suggest a budget, he cannot demand it. It's up to Congress to pass a budget and present it to the president for his signature.

The President can only "suggest a budget" ? Seriously ??

His "suggestions" are so far OFF TARGET that no one from his own party has voted in favor of any of his "suggestions". The concept that "he cannot demand it" sure as hell does not stop Obama from demanding other things he wants.

No, the real truth here is NO budget (now in his 4th year)... shows a lack of leadership by Obama !

Yes, seriously.

Take a civics class and learn the different functions and responsibilities of the three legs of government.

Name any major policy that has been put in place that did not require a vote by both houses.

Otherwise you are just mouthing the same old crap as all the other ill informed right.

jjdcc

" Obama tried to work with the Republicans "

Really? " The election is over I won! " , " They can come along, they just have to sit in the back ", " Elections have consequences! Sit down and be quiet "! I ask again Really?

Ted, exactly! Obama said "we won, get over it!" Yup, that's cooperative all-righty.

Yes, ted, really, and I'll bet you ten thousand bucks that jjdcc's post is accurate. Obama has proposed many things republikkkans had previously accepted or proposed themselves and had them rejected out of hand by the closest thing to a fascist movement we've had since the Birchers.

If as you say that "PRESIDENT OBAMA" gloated....well maybe he had good cause to do it...(which he didn't gloat) because he won fair and square...instead of being the "appointed one" like the previous Pres.

Rubio's illegal immigration in this Country is not Cool, kick this little worm out on his Butt !

Believe Rubio-state credit card-whoops!! Parents fled Castro-they were already here-whoops. Stay tuned.

ha ha ha... Got to love it... These comments coming from a guy whom came out of the Miami, corrupt political machine. Stop your little Cuba sob story. Many of us share the same story as you. Big deal! The reason you joined politics is because of your history with the Cuban government. You figured... Hey, if we can't beat them I better join them. I must have all of the benefits all other corrupt politicians in Washington share... The heck witht he people. It is all about whom will be lining my pockets and the perks I will enjoy.

STFU Rubio!!!

Fedup,

Yeah genius attack the messenger instead of try to refute the nessage ! Rubio is right on target and that causes liberals like you to get your panties in a wad.

The President plays the class warfare game on a daily basis and the Obama leg humpers are too blind to see.

Makes it difficult to explain why in 2009 and in 2010, when the dems had a super-majority, they couldn't pass a budget. It's also hard to blame the republicans when ZERO democrats voted for Obama's little proposed budget, too.

A real leader should be able to get things done even when he faces such opposition. It's called...wait for it... wait for it... being a leader! But it's pretty pathetic to try and blame everyone else when he had the House, the Senate AND the White House...and couldn't get anything accomplished other than a health care plan that's been taken to the Supreme Court by 26 states for its mandate being unconstitutional.

Well, I shouldn't say he accomplished "nothing"... I mean, class/race/gender warfare has been booming on his watch. Gotta give him credit for that.

Jax,,,you do know the so called Democrat budget was proposed by a Republican, right> You do know that Obama had this so called super majority for barely a year. Then the Repubs had enough to filibuster from early 2010 on. And the repubs thought the mandate was constitutional until Obama proposed it!! So, tell me how a leader can lead when 1 party decided on Day 1 that they would oppose every single thing he supported, even their own ideas? AS long as the GOP had 40 votes they could stop everything. Look at it, judges all being denied even though the country needs them, the jobs bill that had the support of all americans even repubs. The tax on the wealthiest is approved by a majority of americans, not just Dems. the wealthy want to be taxed more, for pete's sake. ( ok, not the koch bros, or rush or the other right wingers, but most wealthy) You can not function when 1 party says we are going to oppose anything he proposes. John Boehner says he got 99 percent of what he wanted in the debt ceiling deal...now he wants to undo it> so, unless Obama gives them 100 percent of what they want, he is divisive. Give me a freaking break!

Sherry, what nonsense are you blathering about?

Obama's budgets (both of them, 2012 and 2013) were NOT proposed by a republican, yet both were DENIED unanimously:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote

The dems had the house/senate/white house in 2009 and 2010, not a pure super-majority as I stated, but they were still the numerical majority in those years...and sure enough, Obama and the dems weren't getting anything meaningful, outside of Obamacare, done during those years. "Shovel-ready jobs" never quite got to us.

And I don't care who thought what was constitutional at what time, the government FORCING anyone to purchase a product from the private sector IS unconstitutional. It's not the republicans who've taken the mandate to the Supreme Court, it's 26 states of both political persuasions. If Obama hadn't spent all that time focusing on something most Americans opposed, he could have used his numerical advantage in the house and senate to actually tackle our economy. He chose not to.

72% of Americans think the mandate itself is unlawful, including 56% democrats:

http://www.marfdrat.net/2012/02/27/gallup-poll-says-72-of-americans-believe-obamacare-unconstitutional-dems-say-those-people-are-stupid/

As I already addressed, taxing the rich more isn't going to be even a tiny drop in the bucket for our debt. We have to cut spending. I don't care how many hypocrite billionaires who owe millions in back-taxes scream "tax me more" while dodging their own taxes, it's not going to help our economy, even if they taxed the "rich" at 100% (don't give Obama any ideas).

It really does not matter what the truth is. The lefticles will always turn a blind eye to anything Obama does. They rant but most cannot site any references. The country is divided and it is the fault of not only his administration, but also his followers. Bow to the "king".

The righties will always turn a blind eye to what republicans do. Never mind that a group of republicans met and decided on the night that President Obama was inaugurated the evil plan of attack of the republican party. The republicans have followed the playbook faithfully. Of course their hate is President Obama's fault.

It has been so bad by the republicans that we have been making jokes about it. If President Obama walked on water to save a drowning boys life, the republicans would complain he didn't know how to swim.

And yet the stupid republican party voted with the Ryan budget to bring another recession to America on purpose. Yes republicans so honorable they willing to destroy America for the rich.

Republicans the party with more hate than brains.

VOTE FOR TRUE FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012

Heard the water and swim route, really old. Try something original.

Heard the water and swim route, really old. Try something original.

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It's almost libelous at this point to keep repeating this mantra that the president is divisive. Obama is a moderate who has been willing to go more than the extra mile to work both sides. The Republicans are the divisive ones, who openly stated from before his presidency began that they were going to oppose him at every turn. And they have. And we have seen the results. Marco, YOU are an un-truth teller.

Great point, Scott. Lest we forget, it was Obama that was ready to broker a $4 Trillion Grand Bargain of spending cuts, savings from ending wars, and tax increases on the wealthiest 1%... but it was the Republicans who failed to meet the president half-way and caused our nation's credit rating to decrease as a result.

Instead, the GOP effectively agreed to spending cuts to the military, and have since gone out of their way to avoid their end of the agreement; instead are trying to push those cuts onto the middle-and-lower classes.

If Republican voters honestly paid attention to their party's goals, there would no longer be a Republican party.

The 2nd best Democrat running for President is Willard Mitt Romney.

John Mc Cain is a traitor for his work on the NDAA bill.

They must have learned well fro Reid and Pelosi. Both parties have completely moved away from any sort of working together. It really heated up with all the hatred from the Democrats of how Bush beat Gore (The Republicans did play the game some with Monica Lewinski and the Clinton's real-estate investments).

We really need political reform to allow the moderates freedom within their respective parties to cross lines. Too much funding for state campaigns is funded from the national parties and interest groups. Nearly no one can win a Senate or House seat without the national party's support and they are then beholden to voting the party line.

Bush didn't beat Gore the supreme court put Bush into offices not the people. Gore really won Florida after the recount one and half year latter.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that Republicans refuse to even acknowedge that Obama is President. They always say "the man who occupies the White House", like Rubio is implying he's not the President.

Disgusting.

Methinks you're beyond disingenuous if you claim to have never heard the president say "Tax the rich more, they need to pay their 'fair share' " and "if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon." I mean, these are such unifying messages!

How about these? " The Election is over I won "or " They can come along, they just have to sit in the back "or " Elections have consequences.. I wish they would just sit down and be quiet "

None of those statements, though not quite what the President said and not in context, are nevertheless not the least bit divisive or offensive. When did the GOP get so sensitive with political correctness?

The median income in Texas, is $10.80 an hour that's $21,600 for 2000 thousand hours a year, which means they don't owe any federal taxes. How is it that republicans all over the south in right to work for less and less and less states complain about federal taxes and spending but do not earn enough money to owe any federal taxes, why complain about something you don't pay, why do they complain how it is spent since they don't contribute, anything the federal government does for these people is strictly a matter of charity, or socialism if you prefer, now isn't it. They should complain about the fact that they don't make enough in wages to be able to contribute anything towards the costs of maintaining the strength and security of the nation they love so much.

I'm sorry Clotho, but your statement is completely illogical.

Of course they don't seem divisive or offensive to YOU, since Obama is your preferred candidate.

Unfortunately, you don't get to judge what's offensive or divisive for others. If I called you ignorant, which I'm not (just a bit blind to your own way of thinking), you would probably find that offensive, but to many of the right wing fanatics it would not be offensive at all.

To those of us that are still at least somewhat open minded, every time someone uses the term libtard, repuglican, republikkan, teabagger, or any number of childish labels BOTH sides toss out at every opportunity, it is VERY offensive and VERY divisive.

As leader of this country, the President has the ability to set the tone for the nation. If you can't see that he is intentionally focusing on divisive subjects to further his agenda, you are just not listening.

When you focus on the truth, that becomes a divisive subject for republicans.

 Concerned memphian,

You tell the truth and very well put and them Forrest cannot see the Forest from the trees.

Poor little snow already ate the poison apple.

The republican policies pushed in England created another recession. Your party is the one voting for another recession on purpose with the Ryan/Romney/Rubio budget after being the party that voted on purpose to create the deficit with huge tax cuts during war time.

And we are the blind ones?

I just have to shake my head at the Far Righties in here. The only way I can imagine you voting for Far Right candidates is because your pastor tells you to because everything the Left stands for is a sin. The Far Right has become poisonous. Absolutely poisonous and hateful. We don't need your hate, Our president is trying to still dig out of the Great Depression Your president left. There is a special kind of madness to the Right. Lack of logic. Trying to make sense out of insanity.

"Tax the rich more, they need to pay their 'fair share' " and "if I had a son he'd look like Trayvon." I mean, these are such unifying messages!

Oh, so when you deride those who don't pay the income tax as deadbeats who don't pay their fair share that's okay, but when the wealthy, who control most of the wealth and income in the US, are told that they should pay their fair share (Clinton era taxes), you call that class warfare??? Should the president just have said "Wealthy people are the job creators and so we must respect and thank them" and "Trayvon was just another trouble-making hoodlum????" Very unifying, indeed.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Freshiee is one smart young person!

Thanks, Forrest. And thankfully, there are more of us than one might think...

Here's the absolute best! Many say this quote was taken out of context - well, let's put it in context:

In Dec, 2002, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion that fiscal year-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.

In short, Dick Cheney was warned that growing deficits were a threat to the American economy. How did Cheney respond? We won the election, that gives us the right to do whatever we want, no matter how bad it is for the American economy. Yep! That's the a$$holes I want back in charge!

Republicans are illogical, hypocritical, divisive, unwilling to explain their true reason for hating/Abhoring President Obama, can take a Strong America and undo all Progress reached up until that moment, and then use talking points and lies to explain around any issue in a mealy-mouthed, out of context or just plain made up, fashion.

And then there are the really bad points...

CW, what did I say that was "bad-wrong-inaccurate?"

You mean, Obama never said "tax the rich more, they need to pay thier fair share?" He didn't say that?

He never said that if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon? That's "bad-wrong-inaccurate?"

His administration didn't try to force the Cathholic church to provide birth control in health care to its members, even though it goes against its doctrine?

The dems didn't have a super-majority in 2009 and 2010?

Some dems DID vote for Obama's budget?

26 states didn't take the Obamacare mandate to the Supreme Court?

Please...enlighten me...what's "bad-wrong-inaccurate" about the above?

Jax...do the catholics have the exemption they want? YES. Many catholic organizations are fine with it, but not the right wing bishops. And oh, how racist to say trayvon would look like him.....what the heck is racist about that...it is true. Super majority...Repubs had filibuster proof from feb 2010 on.... The democrat budget was proposed by republican jeff sessions...was a political game! and all these states taking obamacare tpo court ..yes, but you do know this was a republican idea they were for. Even in 2009 before it passed republican sen chuck grassley was saying the mandate was the only way it would work. The conservative Heritage foundation agreed, then, OMG obama proposed it....lets call it unconstitutional. And when you say that obama didn't say tax the rich more....he along with the majority of all voters said it, including many wealthy. but yes, you can make a statement and leave out a whole bunch of other info that go along with it and make it sound like you want it to sound. Doesn't make it true.

Jax...do the catholics have the exemption they want? YES. Many catholic organizations are fine with it, but not the right wing bishops.

Then it had NO business being introduced in the first place! I thought seperation of church and state was essential.

And oh, how racist to say trayvon would look like him.....what the heck is racist about that...it is true.

Then what exactly was the point of saying it? What physically about Trayvon Martin would bear any resemblance to Obama? His ears? What? And why doesn't he say this about ALL murder victims? Why just this one? Don't be disingenuous.

The democrat budget was proposed by republican jeff sessions...was a political game!

Wrong again:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/sessions-hits-back-at-white-house-over-failed

and all these states taking obamacare tpo court ..yes, but you do know this was a republican idea they were for. Even in 2009 before it passed republican sen chuck grassley was saying the mandate was the only way it would work. The conservative Heritage foundation agreed, then, OMG obama proposed it....lets call it unconstitutional.

Like I said, I don't care, unconstitutional is unconstitutional no matter who tries to take credit or pass blame. One would think a "constitutional law professor" such as Obama would have seen this coming.

And when you say that obama didn't say tax the rich more....he along with the majority of all voters said it, including many wealthy. but yes, you can make a statement and leave out a whole bunch of other info that go along with it and make it sound like you want it to sound. Doesn't make it true.

No, it IS true. He DID say the rich have to be taxed more, no matter who else said what...there's no other "whole bunch of info" in that statement. He said the rich have to pay "their fair share" meaning they had to be taxed more. Nice try at semantics, though.

Give me a good reason I should pay twice the tax rate on my income than the wealthy pay on theirs.

If that creates jobs, where are those jobs. If reducing the federal revenue will lead to a balanced budget, then why is it not balanced. Because third grade math indicates you can not pay your bills by lowering your income, it also tells you that lowering wages and benefits for the middle class, will not lead to more for the middle class, that is why it is called voodoo economics by anybody that understands math at a third grade level. The last republican president that understood math at a third grade level was GB senior.

Forest, go back to school and get your GED.Maybe that is what is holding you back. If you were educated and skilled laborer, you would be getting paid more and thus you could use the tax deductions.

Yes snow, another republican with more hate than brains.

Snow will vote for the party that will bring another recession by choice and call the rest of you stupid because you don't hate the poor as much as she does.

Darn right,

Republican want to repeal and change obamacare to Dick-Care only

@ Snow, I have a GED and much more, I make 5 times the median income in Texas on a bad year and 7 times as much on a good year, but I pay twice the tax rate of Mitt Romney or many other multi-millionaires, while half the people in Texas don't make enough money to even owe any federal taxes. My point again is why do the people who pay little or no taxes the ones that claim their taxes are too high. How can half of what I pay be too high, how can nothing be too high. If you don't make enough money to owe taxes, high taxes is not your problem, low wages is your problem.

Let me clarify I don't have a GED, I went to high school and college, my point is that I don't have a problem with republican policies because I am uneducated, quite the contrary, I have a problem with republican policy because I am educated.

Jax...do the catholics have the exemption they want? YES. Many catholic organizations are fine with it, but not the right wing bishops.

Then it had NO business being introduced in the first place! I thought seperation of church and state was essential.

Actually, when the Catholic Church actively uses lobbying groups in state governments and is given benefits from the government, the separation of church and state is essentially meaningless. I say that the church must follow the law; they are not supposed to get any special treatment, or if they do, they must still follow the law to compensate. As I say, the separation of church and state is important, but when the church pushes the state, the state best push back. Take it from a Catholic like me; I know.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Now if Rubio would have stated that the GOP has done evrything within their power to abase and ruin this President from the onset of his administrations election victory. Then he would have had some credibility.

Wasn't that the Democrats playbook as soon as Bush was elected? I'm not agreeing with the tactic, but just pointing out that you should at least acknowledge it's nothing new.

Bush was appointed, not elected. Not the same thing.

Sorry Tom, but I think you are confusing "appointed" with winning a case in front of the supreme court, who dont have the power to "appoint" much of anyone to much of anywhere....

when the vote is 5-4 by party lines, I believe that appoint is the correct word.

Sigh - as usual, an empty talking point of make the rich pay their fair share.

Even the dems agree now that if you taxed all of the "super rich" at 100% it would not make a dent of any significance to the debt, or deficit.

As is typical, "make the rich pay", with no supporting info to make it not just a talking point - lets try this - just once, I would love to see a democrat or liberal define fair, then defend it in a logical fashion.

An illegal immigrant who praised the social security and medicare in a beautiful speech in how it allowed his parents to live out their lives in dignity. At the time he thought it should be expanded and strengthen as he could see from personal experiences the true value of taking care of our old.

Not any more, Rubio is a republican darling and he now thinks social security and medicare are what is destroying our country and making us weak as a nation. The Romney/Ryan/Rubio budget is now the republican plan to bring another recession on purpose to America.

Then the republicans want to claim they are the smart party? Not only does the Romney/Ryan/Rubio budget bring another recession, its tax cuts for the rich increases the deficit. Is that really smart????

Just a thought here, but maybe you are allowing the ideas of "destroying the country" and leading the country into financial ruin to cross over in your mind.

Granted, not on their own, but every economist on either side of the aisle agree that the major drivers of debt and defecitare the (depending on your perspective) social safety nets or entitlement programs.

Another thing - do you see that nobody, on either side of the aisle, wants to bring on a recession on purpose? To say that is extraordinarily close minded of you.

While it is obvious that you disagree with the republican point of view, are you really so certain that they want to destroy the country? Does this mean that with Romney and Obama essentially neck and neck in the race at this point that somewhere around half of the people want to destroy the country?

C'mon Americans First - I have read a large number of your posts, and you are smarter than that from some of what I have read.

Well if they didn't want a recession on purpose then why did the republicans in the house vote for one?

The republicans policies are the same policies that brought another recession in England. So why are the republicans still pushing the same policies here in America? Boehner is even threatening another debt ceiling debauchery to push his recession creating policies.

Of course I am too smart to notice such going on.

The icing on the cake is that the Ryan/Romney/Rubio budget increases the deficit while starving our poor and punishing our wounded veterans for their service.

What is the important reason for all the republican devestation to America, why of course more tax cuts for Romney and his rich friends.

I don't think the voters want to destroy America just the republicans currently in power. But I have noted many republicans on here repeating the lies of those who want to destroy America.

... but every economist on either side of the aisle agree that the major drivers of debt and defecitare the (depending on your perspective) social safety nets or entitlement programs.

I see. But, then explain this to me - Bush started in 2001 with $5.8T in debt and a balanced budget. He ended in 2009 with $11.9T in debt and a trashed economy. Is that because of entitlements? Well, no, entitlements did not grow $6.1T (the size of the debt increase over 8 years) or even $2T a year (the size of our non-borrowed budget increase over 8 years) in 8 years. Now, Obama's spending is mostly due to the bad economy - we have decreased revenues (people out of work do not pay taxes) and increased outlays (people out of work collect unemployment). So how is the size of our national debt the fault of entitlement programs?

EEngineer,

Aside from the stupid wars, we did have a couple of things happen while President Bush was in office.

9/11, two major hurricanes, and the financial crash. Are you going to blame all of those on President Bush? You also forgot to mention the

You cannot spend your way to economic expansion either. The World is going to suffer from a credit crunch if we keep on borrowing money at the present rate.

You talk about fair, how is it fair to the rest of the World for us to borrow 1 trillion dollars a year?

I see a lot of posts about fair wages, nobody will define that. The truth is our poor are considered wealth in most parts of the World. There are other countries that have people as wealth as we do if not more wealthy.

Here is the spending by department both mandatory and descretionary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget

This was posted by someone for President Obama.

We need to work to get people off of food stamps, housing assistance and other welfare programs. We have reached a point where people are better off living on assistance than actually working. That is what we need to change. We need to have more people overall paying into taxes, not just a tax on the rich.

President Bush was not a fiscal Conservative at all.

Also how can you say that we have created 2.4 million jobs over the last 24 months when we have less people employed now than we did 24 months ago?

It is so easy to be a Republican. Do nothing, and then blame the other side for everything.

This MUST be a joke. Obama's been blaming Bush and the republicans ever since he got into the White House. In fact, 3.5 years into his presidency, it's still all Bush's fault. Can anyone tell me when this will be Obama's economy? Never?

Was Clinton's economy of 1990s Clinton's or Republicans?

Open your eyes Jax A. He was given a situation next to the great depression and we are suppose to now blame President Obama for that? Wow! Your loss of memory is incredible.... You know those 2 illegal wars that he didn't know how to pay for.... Oh yeah remember "Mission Accomplished" when the war had just started. How about Bin Laden not important I don't even think of him that much" (paraphrasing) Apparently you rightie's have a bad case of amnesia.....The party of do nothing and blame the other guy... Apparently you follow the kids on Fox and actually believe them....really sad...

But Jax, Bush is so deserving of blame! He screwed up everything he touched, defense, economy, foreign relations, health care, you name it, he did things that are still hurting us. Three and a half years is not long in trying to rebuild a country that has been as badly managed as it was by Bush and his controllers. After all, it took 12 years and a world war to get over Mr Hoover's Republican caused depression of 1929. By 1940, eleven years in, the unemployment rate was still 17%, think how that would be now!

I must politely disagree with Mr Rubio. President Obama will be remembered as the most UNIFYING President in history. Why look what he's done - successfully united all the closet racists to *bravely* crawl out from beneath their rocks and blatantly and stealthily be able to express their bigotry and hate behind their fearless leaders Rush, Beck etc. AND he was able to bring together the GOP on the very night of his inauguration, to plot and to plan with Karl Rove, his very demise.

Oh no, President Obama has been the Great "Unificator" - bringing together the RightWing Nutjobs.

So what all the Obama apologists have just done in this thread is confirm that the economy Obama's been presiding over....will NEVER be Obama's economy. He'll NEVER be responsible for it.

That's because President Obama inherited this train wreck from his dishonest and eminently corrupt predecessor. Surely you can't be so ignorant and dishonest to pretend you don't remember that, could you?

If I describe gravity as the reason why objects fall to earth am I telling you a fact or am I blaming gravity?The fact is GW Bush wrecked a great economy and surplus of funds handed to him by Clinton, that is the way it was the day Obama took over, pointing out facts is not blaming, unless of course you feel guilty about something.

If the bribe that Obama try to do on Jeremiah Wright is true, he is a criminal and should be investigated by law if this exist at all now, Obama has been always disruptive of the well being of the USA, He is a panderer, manipulative, vengeful, who does not care of USA, there are thousands of people starving to death here, and the hypocrite spending money in other countries, and spending tax payer money here, Obama has put the image of the country down. Obama has lie all the time only to get votes and power. Obama is the Hugo Chavez Frias of USA and obsessive compulsive liar .

"...should be investigated by law if this exist at all now..."

Semi-literate grade-school drop outs shouldn't try to express their blithering ravings on a public forum. It's painfully embarrassing for the authors and excruciatingly tedious for the rest of us.

And you appear to HATE Republicans as evidenced with your derogatory use of "Repukes". Compromise and working with each other requires respect. It's that sort of pure hatred I get from every Progressive that finds out that I'm a Conservative that really, really turns me off. You can't have a dialog if you're calling people names.

Ok, I admit it. I HATE Republicans. There, I said it. Your party has done nothing but obstruct any attempt to straighten this economy out. The GOP actually wants a bad economy because they have nothing else to run on. They have disrespected this President at every turn, questioning his religion, questioning his citizenship, calling him a socialist, calling him a terrorist and distorting everything he says. Yea, I'm fed up with the Republican Fiction Machine. I'm so sick of them blaming all of the debt on Obama when in fact Mr. Bush was the one that cut taxes while increasing spending. Obama has spent his entire first term trying to fix everything that got F'd up under Bush. Now the GOP is spending all of it's time trying to twist the facts to make it sound like Obama is responsible for this mess. I think you'll be surprised how smart the American voters really are. Independents decide elections. Independents are going to see through the GOP lies. The fact that Romney is campaigning on the very same policies that preceded the collapse is nothing more than a really bad joke. Obama will be re-elected, you can count on that. Until the GOP squashes it's Tea Party problem, they will be the party of extremists and you can bet that won't be a viable way forward.

Bartstop...from your lips to God's ears. If there's anything that dismays me, it's Obama trying to work with these weasels. Also, the fact that a certain media source runs 24 hours a day with their hate has had a huge impact on those too lazy to educate themselves to truth. These guys are the schoolyard bullies and we need to get rid of them all. Maybe then they would learn that in a relationship of opposing views, there must be discussion and compromise and one side can't push the other around. If they do that, they will, for sure, get a bite in the kiesta. Smarten up, America.

actually, they're not the the bullies, they're the victims who saw being a bully as a good thing!

JOSPEH FIELDING SMITH
Doctrines of Salvation, pp. 65-66.

There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits.

pg. 61.

There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less.

Welcome to the Mormon club Rubio!

Marco, get this. Romney uses a teleprompter. When he doesn't you get soundbites like the trees are the right height or he sings out of key because he can remember the words of a song.

I don't know what I said, but I stand by it whatever it was.

Romney must make you proud with such brilliant statements when he doesn't have his teleprompter or a memory to depend on.

Marco-do you know any intelligent and educated people?

The scariest part of all this is that our country is full of people who believe everything Fox News and Rush say and will vote the Republicans into office. I am afraid that people who are against the POTUS will vote in large numbers and the middle class will not come out to vote or will not be allowed to vote by new rules that the Republicans are getting passed in their states. The middle class will be destroyed by the 1% who run politicians. The destruction of the middle class began when Raegan replaced the striking traffic controllers and the country stood behind him. The middle class has been eroded slowly but surely since then. Many of the baby boomers do not realize that they were able to go to college and make a better living then their parents because their grandparenst stood up to big business, formed unions and went on strike for the rights of the middle class to earn a decent living. This is all forgotten.

If any rethugs or tea partiers are elected, this country will be plunged into civil war. This country is full of morons who vote against their best interests.

Such civil war would be caused by demos, not patriot Repubs.

The Democrats are so race based they do not see anything else. I could care less what race he is, it is his policys that I am so against. He is anti Energy, (oil Gas, coal), he is pro Regulations, I believe we have too many already. He believes in Big Government I believe that a smaller Constutional based one is better. He believes in higher taxes (Bush tax cuts he want to get rid of would incrase Poor tax payers from 10 to 15%, and 20 to 25% for middle income tax payers and increase rich to 40 from 35% and the Death tax would increase To 55%. He claims to be against Big Business, but want their money. He continuely pits Rich vs Poor, Business vs. Unions, Men vs. Women. The Tea party is at least trying to slow down this Deficet spending spree. I just hope the next election more are elected. Since they seem to be the only ones that are willing to deal with this problem. But I fear we will have a much larger deficet, along with a lowering of our Credit rating probably down to B status. We need to get back a middle class, the problem is Unions are forcing companies to go overseas. Why should a company pay a US Union worker $50 and hour then pay benifits costing an additional $15 and hour, and still deal with strikes and slow downs. When they can go overseas and hire a worker fro under $5 an hour? We have priced ourselves out of the world market. To make matters worse the Government comes in with Taxes and Regulations that make it even more expensive to operate here, not to mention making it far more difficult to sell their product because of the higher prices they would need to charge. Unions in the past worked because after WWII this was the only country that was untouched by war. Everyone else had to buy from us. Most others have sence learned from us and each in turn has had to deal with the problem of wages and benifits (I remember back in the 70's when Japan started selling cheaper items here, as they did their wages went up and ended up being displaced by other countries, now China is the main supplier here, at least until their wages go up enough , so that another country can take over from them.

. He is anti Energy,

ah , so that's why his administration just ok'd 3500 new gas wells...