Rev Wright

Teabaggers & the GOP don't understand "black liberation theology" because you are used to the "divide and conquer " the Republican are so famous for. The notion of revolution probably comes to your minds.

Rev Wright, grew his congregation to several thousand in a largely black neighborhood on the South Side of Chicago - a mixture of working class people and the poor. What gets me is how teabagger, known racist and the Republicans, exploiters of the middle and poor classes of people can equate commitment to the black family as racist.

Trinity [church Rev Wright used to pastor] has long had strong ties with the African roots of its faith. Prisoners are asked to respect what they call "the black value system:" to rededicate themselves to God, the black family and the black community. Reinforcing the motto that they are quote "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian."

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

Tell me what's wrong with that?

I suggest you teabaggers put down your racist notions and read what Carter G. Woodson calls the miseducation of the Negro. That Africa is ignorant, Africans are ignorant; there is no African history, there is no African music, there is no African culture, anything related to Africa is negative, therefore you are not African. Chinese come to the country, they're still Chinese-American. We have Chinatown. Koreans come, they're still Korean. They have Koreatown. Africans come, they're colored. They're Negro. They're anything but Africa. In fact, we don't even call them Ebb, Ebb, Fulani, Fanti, Ga, no, no, no -- they're all "Negro." Portuguese, "Negro" Spanish. They're all gettin' lumped into black, but we're not black, we are Negro with a capital N.

The shame of being a descendant of Africa, was a shame that had been pumped into the minds and hearts of Africans from the 1600s on, even aided and abetted by the benefit of those schools started by the missionaries, who simply carried their culture with them into the South and taught their cultures being synonymous with Christianity. So that to become a Christian, you had to let go of all vestiges of Africa and become European, become New Englanders and worship like New England, worship God properly and right. Well, that shame was a part of the shame that many Africans in the '60s and the '70s were feeling.

First off. I am not a "birther." I do wonder however why this wasn't discovered 4 years or so ago when immediately we learn about another candidate's high school "bullying/pranks" (boy would I be in trouble). There is no validity in attacking this actual printed material because of the source that discovered it -- so don't go there. There is also no validity in saying that the future president didn't see it before it was published -- didn't have a chance to review it -- so don't go there.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

So Hannity despite; other members of the GOP distancing themselves from TD Ameritrade and Chicago Cubs owner insidious proposed Super pac attack ad has a plan of his own to prove that Rev.Jeremiah Wright had an influence on our President's worldview. Guess what? Teabaggers like Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and the GOP have a plan too. that plan is to bring America to her knees.

Ed Klein Suggests Obama A Muslim Then Admits To Having Used Dishonest Tactics In Rev. Wright Interview

During Night Two of Sean Hannity's suck up interview with discredited author Ed Klein, Hannity continued his uncritical fascination with Klein's questionable revelations about President Obama in his latest book. In Part 2 of last night's go-round, Hannity once again fixated on Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But this time, Hannity used Klein's lengthy interview with Wright to draw Klein into suggesting President Obama is or was a Muslim – and then pretended otherwise – despite dropping his own little Obama-as-Muslim hints.

http://www.newshounds.us/ed_klein_suggests_obama_s_a_muslim_then_admits_to_having_used_dishonest_tactics_in_rev_wright_interview_05182012

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To the Teabaggers, the Republican party, and viewers of FOX NOISE this is really GOOD news. That is truly, truly, sad.

Hannity, the Roger Ailes and Koch sucker can only repeat Rev Wright and Bill Ayers nightly because it is he who is unAmerican and bigoted. I don't suppose Hannity has the ability to see he is hurting his party. They do not want Rev Wright as a theme

Feisty, Bev, morning,

Will our Democracy survive the $millions/billions in foreign and domestic dirty dollars -- c/o 'Citizens United'?

= Citizens' 'Not-United', but DIVIDED by the interests of the world's greedy and financially powerful.

His Bridge to Nowhere

Mitt Romney will campaign today in New Hampshire, looking for his own "bridge to nowhere." The Romney camp thinks they have found it in a 19th century bridge no longer used for traffic that was restored with state and federal funds. Romney will use the location to emphasize what he sees as the misuse of taxpayer funds in the face of the growing national debt.

According to the Union Leader of Manchester, Romney is scheduled to speak in Hillsborough on Friday afternoon, and will highlight the Sawyer Bridge as an example of unnecessary government spending.

Romney's attack on the $288,000 bridge ($150K in stimulus funds) restoration will run into several immediate challenges: Funding for the project was overwhelmingly supported by state Republicans, including a significant number who have now endorsed Romney for president.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120517/NEWS0602/705179997

$288 thousand not million or billion that town officials have said they want to turn the area into a public park.

Ben.....whatever it is you're trying to shill, anything that comes from the "Breitbart" is totally without merit, except to birthers, bigots, racists and followers of Limbaugh and the GOP Propaganda machine, known as Fox 'Entertainment'.

GM -- Just read the story and dispute that the publication does not exist. That's all.

Bev -- You are a liar. The proposal was one of many that came before the Super Pac. The Super Pac's owner did not make the proposal. It was one of many presented to the committee and was soundly rejected because it was not on fiscal matters before it even reached the owner. That Super Pac has supported both Republicans and Democrats where they are fiscal conservatives but because you know that it just shows you are devoid of any integrity.

FALSE = Rove's ad says you will not be able to keep your present insurance plan under the Obamacare.
TRUE: If you like your current health care plan, no need to change your plans OR your doctor.

So why has my plan changed already because of Obamacare? My FSA account can no longer be used for OTC medicines such as Claritin or Asprin. My premiums are already higher as I pay for 26 year old kids (there's an oxymoron). Now I'll be taking up the cost of no-copay contraceptives.

That's my personal changes, don't even mention the millions that will lose their insurance once the waivers end.

And what about the whopper "I won't force you to buy health insurance"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsu_DRzNOFY

ObamaCare is to blame for much of these impending increases. Richard Foster, the Chief Actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), reports that America will spend an additional $311 billion on health care in the next decade because of the law.

CMS estimates the growth in health insurance costs will increase 10 extra percentage points in 2014 because of ObamaCare — a 14% increase, versus 3.5% without the law.

CUTTING THE DEFICIT: Rove attempts to distort the facts about the President's plans.
TRUTH: President Obama signed $1Trilllion in spending cuts, and has a balanced plan to cut the Deficit by $4Trillion over the next decade.

A plan to cut spending, while actually spending more does not cut the deficit. I thought a smart guy like Obama would know that. Pity it's so hard to fudge these figures.

Dennis, Gingerbread,

Spending Assault on America: Karl Rove is flashing his money around. He has NO truth, but he does have access to a lot of money. We get it. That is what passes for clout, fear and trepidation these days. That is the ultimate display of power and prerogative. We're supposed to meekly accept the inequalities of the world and let the Roves inflict, fill up our ears with nonsense - while they benefit from our work-for-less-and-less wages.

Rove is flashing his little gold front teeth, whenever he tells lies of every shape and size.
And all he asks is that we close our eyes, open and swallow.

Backhouse, great point and counterpoint post. Contrary to the GOPTP drum-beating that tax cuts don't add to the deficit, we need only look to Reagan, Bush and Bush to see exactly where a Romney presidency would lead us--more deficit, more debt, more high end tax cuts to give more to those who can't spend what they have as it is. The middle class is the economic engine of this country--give breaks to the middle and to the low-income wage earners and the economy will improve. One would think that after 30 years of failed trickle-down, the GOP would have figured it out by now. The better the 99% do, the better the 1% does but then greed has consumed them to the point they don't give a darn.

Feisty, you said it. Imagine, "warm" chocolate chip cookies from the Romney-bot.

Beverly, Dennis, also terrific way to start Friday.

Bev....good morning! Great post at 1.2 If only people would take the time to learn about others struggles through history, it might give them a little empathy in understanding how hard those struggles have been and still are. Instead they prefer to vilify that what is different from them based on their own assumptions or what they've learned from their parents and peers. Hate is their fuel and fear is the accelerant.

Thank you for posting this, have a blessed day.

Cynthia's Point, nice catch on that.

It bears mentioning, though, that Breitbart was a liar. He was always a liar, and he built an organization whose sole purpose was to spread lies. Expecting us to treat it as a legitimate player in the debate is out of bounds. Period.

Cynthia -- It boils down to the point as to whether one believes the agent or not. Why would anyone believe a statement coming from someone employed by Obama???? Why was it put there in the first place??? Who would even have imagined that back when Barack was in Harvard??? It wasn't even an issue then?

But the real point is that this should have been vetted a long time ago, caught and corrected. So take your idiot remark and put it where the sun doesn't shine.

Bev,

Brilliant at #1.2.

Thank you.

Backhouse

Will our Democracy survive the $millions/billions in foreign and domestic dirty dollars -- c/o 'Citizens United'?

= Citizens' 'Not-United', but DIVIDED by the interests of the world's greedy and financially powerful

Backhouse

It will self-destruct if we don't fight back!!!

Sen. Bernie Sanders has proposed a constitutional amendment that would overturn the Supreme Court decision in a case called Citizens United vs. FEC

Here's the link to fight back. Be sure to pass it on.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/petition/?uid=f1c2660f-54b9-4193-86a4-ec2c39342c6c

Thank you for thinking brilliant at #1.2.

I try unlike Mittens.

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"Today Mitt Romney visited a firehouse here in New York City. Of course, he was disappointed when he learned that the firehouse is not where you get to fire people." –

Jimmy Fallon joke

Hearty Ha Ha Ha, I can hear Mitt nervosly laughing now about his mistake!!!

Here's what I have learned this week. If this guy from Indiana, Mourdock, is any indication of mainstream Republican thought, which Mitch Daniels said on Chuck's show this morning that he is, then Republicans are hellbent on total and complete domination. In their world, authoritarianism is now openly the goal. Compromise is a dirty word.

I'm sorry, but I simply have no respect for people who think this way. All of life is about compromise.

Republicans, be very careful what you wish for. It isn't that much of a leap between authoritarianism and totalitarianism. We've already seen glimmerings of that in Michigan, and in other states as well.

Blessed be.

Dennis, on Romney's Bridge to Nowhere,

How dense can he get, when his own party voted to restore the bridge? And btw, EVERY last dime of ARRA funds has been tracked, and is on the WH website.

GOP's idea of the Future is paying tolls for privately-funded roads and bridges. For the first time in our history, Republican congressionals will not agree to fund the rebuilding of America's (now-crumbling) Infrastructure. When this provision came up in the American Jobs Act, they refused to bring it up for DEBATE.

This is their idea of GOP/Koch 21st century progress = TAKING US BACK, BACK, BACK.

Feisty, et.al -- Was this a published booklet?? Yes or No??? Just answer the question. If it was published, is it not worth reviewing as part of a candidate's past???? I don't care who brought it to the attention of the public if it factual material with all of the qualifiers in the story.

Why would anyone make up that as part of Obama's bio??? She just didn't grasp it from the clouds without having some basis and say that Barack was born in Kenya. Did he lie like Fauxcahontas Warren???

Backhouse --

GOP's idea of the future is paying tolls for privately-funded roads and bridges. For the first time in our history, Republican congressionals will not agree to fund the rebuilding of America's (now-crumbling) Infrastructure.

Oh, don't be silly, Backhouse. I have it on good authority that they would agree to it if Democrats would just agree to taxing the elderly or low-income workers more to pay for it?

Ben --

Why would anyone make up that as part of Obama's bio??? She just didn't grasp it from the clouds without having some basis and say that Barack was born in Kenya.

So what was the basis, since the official records say otherwise, and have done so since the 1960s?

As I said yesterday and never got an answer, is it more likely that she just made a mistake or that the President, for no particular reason, totally blew the carefully crafted conspiracy that had been built around him since birth?

Are you all total and complete morons, or what?

Romney still doesn't give specifics. What will he replace health care with. "Common sense" doubtful.

Feisty Redhead:

What the A/P omitted is, Willard took a whopping 3 questions, one of which he couldn't answer!

And then there was that question about his false assertion that he never exploit the Rev. Wright when confronted with the fact that he had only a few months ago , to which he responded "I don't remember precisely what I said, but I stand by it." And this weasel has a chance to become the next president. This country is REALLY in trouble.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Mittens "Bridge to Nowhere" remark had my mouth a gasp when I heard about it this morning. Does Willard not know building a park would create jobs?

Yet, this is the man who has duped some Americans into thinking he is the ONE who knows "how" to create jobs.

SMH

Meanwhile, in the state of Maine, 20,000 just lost their healthcare, due to cuts by the Republican legislature and Tea Party governor. They also reduced taxes, so there will be less revenue coming in for future budgets.

My first reaction is not, believe it or not, "oh! the humanity!" but to ask: so does the need for healthcare now just go away? Obviously not. Low income folks still get sick, still get pregnant, still have car accidents...who pays for their care? How is just cutting them from Maine Care going to solve anything? Someone ask Romney.

Amy --

Low income folks still get sick, still get pregnant, still have car accidents...who pays for their care? How is just cutting them from Maine Care going to solve anything? Someone ask Romney.

The answer is that, unless they pay, they don't get care. Just pile them up in some corner where no one in the ruling class has to look at their unsightliness.

This is why Romney's claim that the poor already have a "safety net," and if it has holes, we'll fix them, has become so ironic.

Apparently, Republicans' idea of fixing holes is to make them larger.

If Romney thinks he's going to win over Latin voters with one of his lying ads, he's got another thing coming. The vast majority of Latins hate this man. He's done nothing but insult and belittle this LARGE group of American voters. Telling them to "self deport" back to their OWN COUNTRY is Romney's solution to "our immigration problem". What an idiot. I speak Spanish and have many Latin friends and I can tell you they have no love for this liar. Romney can't win the election without the Latino voters. And, he won't get it. (Smile).

VIVA OBAMA IN 2012.

Alan, NJ

So why has my plan changed already because of Obamacare? My FSA account can no longer be used for OTC medicines such as Claritin or Asprin.

Why don't you pay for your own damn aspirins like everyone else? Why should other people with serious health issues pay higher premiums so that you can get your hangover cure free?

My premiums are already higher as I pay for 26 year old kids (there's an oxymoron). Now I'll be taking up the cost of no-copay contraceptives.

Cry me a river. As you well know, coverage for young adults on their parents' health insurance and coverage for contraception reduces the overall cost of medical care. Fewer people show up in emergency rooms with serious and expensive health problems that could have been avoided with preventative care covered by insurance. And with contraception coverage, there are fewer life-threatening and expensive pregnancies, and babies the parents can't afford to raise properly. Like most Republicans you are penny-wise and pound foolish.

Why don't you pay for your own damn aspirins like everyone else?

O_O?

|| Alan NJ: My FSA account can no longer be used for OTC medicines such as Claritin or Asprin.

Houston: Why don't you pay for your own damn aspirins like everyone else?

He does you dope. That's what a FSA is for, you set aside a portion of your earnings to pay for certain personal medical needs. Get with the program Houston, you are really slipping.

Cry me a river. As you well know, coverage for young adults on their parents' health insurance and coverage for contraception reduces the overall cost of medical care.

Sure, and that's happened when again? What fantasy world do you dolts live in to believe any of this?

Like most Republicans you are penny-wise and pound foolish.

Yeah, that's exactly why we're running trillion dollars deficits, so we can "save" money.

You have really gone around the bend this time Houston. You're completely lost and confused.

Yeah, that's exactly why we're running trillion dollars deficits, so we can "save" money.

You have really gone around the bend this time Houston. You're completely lost and confused.

The fact you think the Republican Party will actually balance the budget makes me giggle JAS1. It's two flavors of the same product.

BTW, how is your job search going?

That said, the Romney camp’s web video pointing out that the auto bailout ended up hurting Delphi employees is a pretty solid counterattack and a reminder that there are some similarities in what the Obama administration did with GM and Chrysler to what Romney sometimes did at Bain (though Obama never personally profited from the auto bailout).

What the heck FR - that is a stretch, comparing Obama to Romney, then using a cheap little parenthesis to display the massive difference. The only thing we know for sure is that if Romney had used Bain to manage this ruination, Romney would have pocketed billions by selling off all the auto plants and employee pensions. Apparently, warm cookies go a long way to cooking up a good story line.

On to other news, ya know that thing I said yesterday, I can't remember what it is, but whatever is was, it was not only true, but I stand by it hook line and sinker, and if you try to tell me it was wrong, whatever it was, well you are wrong, and I am right, and if you misquote me, you are wrong, but I am right.......what is it with these Republican candidates and their diatribes. If they don't know what they are talking about, how the hell are we suppose to know. Oh right, we have to take it on their word. RIGHT!!

I see that cry-baby gender biased bigoted Ben is back on board begging us to believe he isn't a Barack Bhussien Bobama birther - well if that isn't a bunch of bull. Anyone got anymore B words to add to that bullarky?

Speaking of BS bridges to nowhere - thanks for that article. Well, it is time to walk back through the alphabet to the A's' - need to make sure I close my Ameritrade account. Apparently some rickety A-hole CEO is spending a few billions dollars of corporate money creating a 10-point anti-Obama plan making asinine allegations that President Obama is a Metro-sexual Abe. As UAW would say, puuuuulllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeze, I mean, if you are going to go on the attack, find something better than metrosexual.

Hi Anna Molly,

Now that the medical records have been relased on Zimmerman can you tell me if the whole chart will include the x-rays to prove Zimmerman had a closed broken nose?

I guess at this point it is irrelavant because Trayvon Martin's knuckle was lacerated.

include the x-rays to prove Zimmerman had a closed broken nose?

Since the nose is cartilage and not bone, can X-Rays even pick that up?

You beat me to it JoAnna, seems that Houston and the others don't understand what FSA account is, but when you have those that don't work and suck of the tax payers money they wouldn't know. By not knowing things, they insult because that's all they can do to try to look smart. Thanks for the laugh Libbies, post some more Liberal facts for sh!t and giggles..............

I don't have a FSA account due to the stupid rule change and if you don't use all of it, you lose it.

Houston, cheers for that aspirin homerun.

Geez, Alan, you must have had one of those gold Cadillac plans because none of the insurance plans offered through my employers in San Diego and in Iowa has ever covered OTC medications. FYI, my Mom used to get Zyrtec as a prescription from the doctor because it wasn't offered OTC; now Zyrtec is OTC so it is no longer covered by her insurance either and she pays out of pocket--didn't have a darn thing to do with the Affordable Care Act or commonly known as ObamaCare.

The lost and confused are the ones who think that voting for republicans to bring another recession with the Ryan budget is the right thing to do.

I never did think republicans were that bright, first they voted on purpose to create the deficit and now the cure is to create another recession?

Why would we do that to America? Of course for more tax cuts for Romney and his rich friends.

VOTE FOR AMERICA....VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012

Oh, we know how FSA accounts work .. and again, to Houston's point, why should I have to pay more in taxes so your lazy a$$ can get tax-free aspirin to cure your hangover while you sit on your butt between jobs.

Why don't you pay for your own damn aspirins like everyone else? Why should other people with serious health issues pay higher premiums so that you can get your hangover cure free?

So I guess when liptor goes off patent and is no longer covered by insurance it will no longer address a serious medical condition? Do you even know the cost of using Clariton on a daily basis for allergies and how it comes out of your own pocket and is no longer covered by insurance.

As you well know, coverage for young adults on their parents' health insurance and coverage for contraception reduces the overall cost of medical care. Fewer people show up in emergency rooms with serious and expensive health problems that could have been avoided with preventative care covered by insurance.

How about you actually do some research before you spout off on something you know nothing about? You simply want to defend the guy in the White House even though he lied about his health care plans. My insurance is changing because of his policies AND he IS forcing people to buy insurance.

Frequent users comprise 4.5% to 8% of all ED patients but account for 21% to 28% of all visits. Most frequent ED users are white and insured; public insurance is overrepresented. Age is bimodal, with peaks in the group aged 25 to 44 years and older than 65 years. On average, these patients have higher acuity complaints and are at greater risk for hospitalization than occasional ED users. However, the opposite may be true of the highest-frequency ED users. Frequent users are also heavy users of other parts of the health care system. Only a minority of frequent ED users remain in this group long term. Complaints vary with age, location, and usage patterns.

http://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(10)00105-8/abstract

A new report from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), the nation’s chief health statistics agency, suggests the longstanding perception uninsured patients are clogging the nation’s emergency rooms (ERs) is a myth.

There is a widespread perception uninsured patients are a leading source of unnecessary ER visits because they lack a primary care provider, a perception echoed by President Obama and other political leaders as a rationale for their recently passed health care legislation.

The report finds ER use is more closely associated with Medicaid enrollment Patients covered by Medicaid seek care in the ER more frequently than both the uninsured and those covered by private insurance.

It basically says that the most likely users of the ER HAVE insurance and of those, it is the ones on Medicaid that use the ER the most. So once we have another 30m on Medicaid as envisaged by the ACA where are your saving going to come from and how much cost shifting can we expect from whats left of private insurance?

ACA = "Medcaid for All"

Geez, Alan, you must have had one of those gold Cadillac plans because none of the insurance plans offered through my employers in San Diego and in Iowa has ever covered OTC medications. FYI, my Mom used to get Zyrtec as a prescription from the doctor because it wasn't offered OTC; now Zyrtec is OTC so it is no longer covered by her insurance either and she pays out of pocket--didn't have a darn thing to do with the Affordable Care Act or commonly known as ObamaCare.

It also covers co-pays for prescriptions and doctors visits. Useful when you have chronic conditions and nothing to do with a Cadillac Plan

OTC Medicines: Beginning in 2011, FSA funds cannot be used for over-the-counter medicines unless specifically prescribed by a doctor. In 2010, FSA funds can be used for OTC drugs and other items such as eyeglasses, contact solution, bandages and non-prescription forms of birth control.

Read more: http://www.mydollarplan.com/flexible-spending-account-changes/#ixzz1vEcJtlt1

So in world of unintended consequences, if I ask my doctor for a prescription then I can get the medicine under the FSA. It just costs more all round.

RedDevPS Oh, we know how FSA accounts work .. and again, to Houston's point, why should I have to pay more in taxes so your lazy a$$ can get tax-free aspirin to cure your hangover while you sit on your butt between jobs.

How much more in taxes did you pay for Alan's FSA? And can you point out the line on your 1040EZ form where that number is entered?

And of course you Libs deflect from the real problem that Obama flat out lied about the wonders of Obamacare.

Oh, we know how FSA accounts work .. and again, to Houston's point, why should I have to pay more in taxes so your lazy a$$ can get tax-free aspirin to cure your hangover while you sit on your butt between jobs.

For the same reason I have to pay for "free" contraceptives? Not even tax free, simply free with no-copay.

However, this is a nice distraction because it doesn't change the fact the President lied. We are all agreeing that my insurance (which I liked) has now changed because of his policies.

And that's a fact!

Obama doesn't need a Super Pac when he has MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, PBS, NPR, New York Times, LA Times, etc in the tank for him. I love reading this left wing dribble every morning before I go to work. You lefties remember work? Its that thing you do to earn money and become self sufficient to avoid having to live off entitlements and do something more than pray that Obama stays in office so you can continue to live off the backs of us to work and pay taxes. I am not the 1%, but I am part of the group that is tired of watching you take, take, and take some more and your contributions are to simply say, "Hey, you people with money, we want more of that." Get a life, get a job.

Get a life, get a job.

Done and done. You mad?

Ask JAS1 about her job tho.

Alan, NJ -- Do you even know the cost of using Clariton on a daily basis for allergies and how it comes out of your own pocket and is no longer covered by insurance.

Who cares?

Flonase works better, is partially paid for under most prescription drug plans, and doesn't ratchet up your blood pressure.

So once we have another 30m on Medicaid as envisaged by the ACA where are your saving going to come from and how much cost shifting can we expect from whats left of private insurance?

Duh. The savings come from preventive care, instead of emergency care.

Many of the people who are already on Medicaid are the elderly, the chronically ill, and profoundly disabled. They naturally would use more emergency room care.

The ones who would effectively be going on Medicaid through ACA aren't necessarily chronically ill or disabled. Some of their emergency room trips could be prevented if they had the opportunity to do so.

whats left of private insurance?

This is totally ridiculous, but really, who cares if nothing is left of private insurance? Private insurance is nothing but a blood-sucking middleman that skims billions of dollars off the top without adding a single thing to the quality of health care. We wouldn't miss it.

Beverly --

Now that the medical records have been relased on Zimmerman can you tell me if the whole chart will include the x-rays to prove Zimmerman had a closed broken nose?

I guess at this point it is irrelavant because Trayvon Martin's knuckle was lacerated.

Sorry, Beverly, I don't do personal injury work, and I haven't read anything about this yet.

What does everyone else think it means?

The more I read about the "plans" coming out of the Republican party, the more I have real fear for the future of this country, should they gain control of the government. The GOP does not appear to have learned the lessons of history.

In the last century, while other nations slipped into totalitarian regimes, our nation prided itself as being the leader of the free world. As such, we demonstrated that economic growth IS possible while having common sense controls in place to prevent rampant abuse under the guise of capitalism.

Likewise, the United States showed the world that as the wealthiest nation on earth, we are aware of our moral responsibility to ensure that the most vulnerable in our nation do not starve, freeze, become sick, or lack a basic education while the wealthiest freely spend the results of the working poor.

The lessons of the 18th century were not lost on the generation which took control during the great depression. Yet those same lessons seem to be lost on those who are attempting to gain power today. The GOP appears to be honestly attempting to remove all sources of stability to our nation. When people are driven into poverty and in that poverty they have no food, shelter or medical care; historically that is when people revolt. In the last century it resulted in the totalitarian regimes all over the world.

The Republican party of today is making a very concerted effort to dismantle all of the progressive strides forward which made this country great in the last century. I fear their effort to "take back the country" will result in the type of chaos which was barely averted in the last century.

Great comment by Jay Leno last night. He was talking about how Chris Mathews totally blew it on Jeopardy. Said the only bright spot about his not being able to get facts straight was that Fox News immediately offered him a job!

Ben - your harping on a mistake made by an editor's assistant who has owned up to the mistake is beyond stupid. It is intentional and you hope you'll find some dupe who will go along with your continued lies about our President. Please grow up. You sound more and more like Damage every day.

Obama/Biden 2012

Alan, NJ --

For the same reason I have to pay for "free" contraceptives? Not even tax free, simply free with no-copay.

How thick are you? Which would you rather pay for? The contraceptives or the unplanned pregnancies, and all the other costs associated with raising and educating the unwanted child?

A few dollars a month, spread out over the insured population, or a few hundred thousand dollars in taxes over the unplanned lifetime, spread out over all of us.

Even insurance companies know better than this.

Last night I spoke with a young man who claimed he had a Ph.D in Economics, I only minored in it. We were both recent grads and got into a lengthy discussion. He was Republican I am a Democrat.

He brought up the idea of the individual, and the power that onehas. He used points such as personal responsibility, freedom and other valid concepts. I countered that sometimes the individual fails and even not at his own fault. Neither of us disclaimed what the other said. As we continued our discussion we agreed on almost every point; there was very little difference on our stances. I will admit we did come to different conclusions at points but for the most part we did agree.

My point is it is only TITLES that divide us, such as Republican and Democrat . Yes, he did have a greater faith in the individual (and thus advocated small government), but we agreed more than we disagreed. I would go as far as to say we probably had more agreements with each other than we did with our respective parties. Yet at the end of the conversation he walked away a Republican and I Democrat.

I feel this division truly stops bright minds from working together towards progress. Since the Bush and Obama presidencies, there has been so much talk of the end of the American dream. Too many point either right or left but few recognize the true culprit. It is not one of the two sides causing the problem it is the dichotomy itself that will bring down America.

We have allowed ourselves to be ruled by extremist.

AM: How thick are you? Which would you rather pay for? The contraceptives or the unplanned pregnancies, and all the other costs associated with raising and educating the unwanted child?

I'd rather have the person having sex pay for their own contraceptives. Welfare is supposed to be for the needy, but for some reason the do-gooder Libs think welfare for the middle-class is just a dandy thing to do.

For 90% of the people, buy your own food, cloths, and houses. Pay for you own entertainment, buy your own cars. Buy enough life, health, home and car insurance as you feel necessary. Pay for your own fix-me-up home projects, and start being an adult and buy your own damn contraception.

What I find interesting in this discussion is that so many who tout the healthcare bill do not know the consequences. Even Pelosi admitted that they had to pass it to know what is in it. So we have good things like allowing children up to age 26 to stay on their parents plan, you have the limitations for FSA which make no sense and it is surprising that so many here think it is some kind of welfare instead of pretax money,and you have the tax on the medical device industry which will surely have them running out of the country with their jobs. The reporting on purchases by businesses over $600 has already been removed because it would have cost more than tax collected. The age 26 issue is well supported and regardless of what SCOTUS does, will probably remain in place by individual states.

The congress needs to stop creating these huge bills that are too difficult to understand the unintended consequences.

Sanity -- How does one make that mistake?? I'd like your take. To come out and say Barack was born in Kenya has to come from somewhere other than out her a$$. It's just something one doesn't say about another without some basis. Again, Obama is an American but there is reason to believe that he is just like Fauxcahontas Warren lying when it is benefits them. You draw the same possible conclusion if it was a Republican -- if you are honest.

Duh. The savings come from preventive care, instead of emergency care.

Many of the people who are already on Medicaid are the elderly, the chronically ill, and profoundly disabled. They naturally would use more emergency room care.

The ones who would effectively be going on Medicaid through ACA aren't necessarily chronically ill or disabled. Some of their emergency room trips could be prevented if they had the opportunity to do so.

whats left of private insurance?

This is totally ridiculous, but really, who cares if nothing is left of private insurance? Private insurance is nothing but a blood-sucking middleman that skims billions of dollars off the top without adding a single thing to the quality of health care. We wouldn't miss it.

@AM

I have seen numerous studies all refuting the idea that insurance reduces the use of Emergency Rooms. If you want I'll get you the links but lets accept that premise for now. Even those covered by private insurance make excessive use of the ER because it is more convenient than scheduling a doctors visit. (this based on a study of lawyers employees). So this is where I am coming from when I say there is nothing to indicate that an increase in insurance coverage will reduce ER visits. I will accept your point that those on public insurance, medicare and medicaid, are ore likely to use the ER for a real emergency because of their demographics. However, when this happens, the cost to the ER is not fully covered, and they make up the difference by charging those covered by private insurance more, cost-shifting. Again, there have been a number of studies that predict this will increase as Obamacare is implemented. So although you want to see the end of private insurance, until you get your single-payer or public option or whatever gets dreamed up as some form of universal coverage, private insurance is going to pay for a lot of the ACA.

The first gay food stamp president .... "LOL"

JoAnna --

For 90% of the people, buy your own food, cloths, and houses. Pay for you own entertainment, buy your own cars. Buy enough life, health, home and car insurance as you feel necessary. Pay for your own fix-me-up home projects, and start being an adult and buy your own damn contraception.

Gee, thanks. Good advice. I'll start working on those things right away. Right after I run out to the mailbox to get my welfare check. That will be my exercise for the week.

How thick are you? Which would you rather pay for? The contraceptives or the unplanned pregnancies, and all the other costs associated with raising and educating the unwanted child?

A few dollars a month, spread out over the insured population, or a few hundred thousand dollars in taxes over the unplanned lifetime, spread out over all of us.

Even insurance companies know better than this.

If it was such a "slam-dunk" why did it need a Federal mandate? Even to one as thick as I am it is fairly obvious that the health insurance companies did an actuarial analysis and discovered that is was not cheaper to offer this as a preventative measure. After all they are evil entities driven by the profit motive so if it was cheaper wouldn't they already have offered it?

The really terrible thing is if Romney actually captures the presidency. His Economic policies will send the economy back into recession and continue to grow the debt. When you "let" things go, like teacher's , fire fighters and cop's jobs, then you shrink the work force as well as the government, fewer people buying, consuming, and paying those mortgages, and viola, recession. Here's the real kicker about letting people go into foreclosure

The 55 Trillion Dollar liability we are carrying from the transfer of Merrill Lynch's risky derivative accounts onto Bank of America's FDIC insured ledger. This occurred last October, yet it hasn't really become part of the political debate on the economy. We're 16 Trillion in the hole at this moment, do you think 55 trillion more will hurt us? Romneyand the republicans want to cut government, cut social programs, maintain the military budget, keep the tax cuts, and return to the deregulated days of 2007. Cutting government jobs and spending at a time when people are struggling to make their mortgage payments seem to me a curious economic strategy considering the domino effect more foreclosures will have on the economy is those derivative become absolutely worthless.

This is another example of how the Fed and the cronies on Wall Street are rigging the system. The Fed insisted on the transfer of these assets over the objections of the FDIC.

Even Pelosi admitted that they had to pass it to know what is in it.

@LULU - fitting moniker because sweets, you are spinning one big LULU (AKA LIE) with that statement. If you are going to post quotes from politicians, then post the entire quote, or at least get the intent of the quote correct. Embellishing it to fit your needs is called among many things, plagiarism.

Paul-Florida

You beat me to it JoAnna, seems that Houston and the others don't understand what FSA account is, but when you have those that don't work and suck of the tax payers money they wouldn't know.

I know what it is. It's a way to avoid paying taxes on money used to pay medical expense. It's one thing to use it to pay for drugs and operations that people need to maintain their health. It's another thing to use it to pay for hangover cures. And for your information, moron, I don't have an FSA because I'm in good health and my high-copay PPO has worked fine for me so far.

Wow, such vitriol from most of you folks. Mitt must be doing something right to get such reactions.

Ugh-ly.

lulu98

What I find interesting in this discussion is that so many who tout the healthcare bill do not know the consequences. Even Pelosi admitted that they had to pass it to know what is in it

Pelosi was not referring to legislators having to pass the bill to know what's in it, as the Republicans have falsely claimed. She was referring to the PUBLIC knowing what was in it once the bill was passed and the Republicans stopped slinging their lies and BS about it. Little did she know that the Republicans have an endless supply of BS and an endless supply of crazy billionaire money to help them sling it.

If it was such a "slam-dunk" why did it need a Federal mandate?

Because people are generally stupid and won't pay for health-care insurance because they're not sick, then they get sick and are SOL?

@ JoAnna --

p.s., but if I WAS young enough, and I DID skip the birth control because I didn't want to pay for it, and I ended up having a baby, then you and all the other members of my group health insurance plan WOULD pay for my prenatal care, pay for the birth, pay for any complications, and pay for my child's health care. After which, you could graciously help pay to send my child to public school through your generous tax dollars. That would include, of course, any special needs that my child might have.

After all, the more the merrier.

Ana Molly - experts commenting on Trayvon Martin's small laceration on his ring finger said it was not what one would expect to see had he beaten Zimmerman as Zimmerman claimed. I had heard the funeral director comment that he had prepared bodies of people who had been in fights and he didn't see anything like that on Trayvon Martin's hands - no bruises, etc., as one would expect.

p.s., but if I WAS young enough, and I DID skip the birth control because I didn't want to pay for it,

Which people do all the time, just look at health insurance for example. People say "oh I'm young and healthy, I don't need to waste money on that" then they get diagnosed with something catastrophic, or get in an accident. They can't pay the bills, so they just go to an ER, or declare bankruptcy and stick the rest of us with the bill.

Pretty similar principle.

Alan, NJ --

Alan --

If it was such a "slam-dunk" why did it need a Federal mandate? Even to one as thick as I am it is fairly obvious that the health insurance companies did an actuarial analysis and discovered that is was not cheaper to offer this as a preventative measure. After all they are evil entities driven by the profit motive so if it was cheaper wouldn't they already have offered it?

I think most of them already do. At least around here.

And how hard is it to do the math? Just the cost of prenatal care alone, together with the cost of the birth, far exceeds what birth control costs. And then if there are complications and just the routine pediatric care for the child, including vaccinations and other preventive measures? And what if there are special issues?

This is just plain common sense.

I apologize for the "thick" comment, by the way. I was half joking, but it didn't come off that way.

Of all the "conservatives" around here, you probably are least deserving of that particular epithet.

Now don't let that go to your not-so-thick head. ;-)

Seeking Sanity --

Ana Molly - experts commenting on Trayvon Martin's small laceration on his ring finger said it was not what one would expect to see had he beaten Zimmerman as Zimmerman claimed. I had heard the funeral director comment that he had prepared bodies of people who had been in fights and he didn't see anything like that on Trayvon Martin's hands - no bruises, etc., as one would expect.

Ah. Good sign. And I had already heard about the funeral director.

Looks like a problem for the defense.

I foresee a plea bargain coming to a small town in Florida, very soon.

Alan, NJ -- Do you even know the cost of using Clariton on a daily basis for allergies and how it comes out of your own pocket and is no longer covered by insurance.

$6.99/month at my local HyVee grocery store by buying their attractively-priced generic over the counter.

God help you that you don't get out of paying taxes on $6.99. To the Bastille!

I'm afraid for the future of this country for a few reasons:

1. Our current government (made up of both parties) continues to massively overspend us (to the order of over $1+ trillion per YEAR), while setting up legislation for how to deal with martial law (drone observing the public, cutting off the internet, literal means to declare and control martial law,etc.). It's almost like they realize that they can't indefinately continue to undermine the country financially and expect the end results to look good.

2. The populus is looking pretty similar to that of Greece- Won't face the facts of our financial position, the pinch that will come when our creditors want some better payback for their cash, our currency's value goes down/is marginalized by the UN/IMF/OPEC, etc., that they can't have what was promised to them by the government and have to get used to less while we attempt to shore up the country. That will lead to some really bad incidents.

3. The rampant hypocracy of the media and the growth of yellow journalism. Why is it evil that Romney is Mormon, while it's ok that the President has been both Muslim and Christian- depending on which side is more condusive to his image? Why is it evil that Romney's grandfather had multiple wives, while it's ok that the President's father had 3 wives in multiple countries? Why is it "news" that John Edwards is on trial because his campaign paid off his mistriss, while it's not news that the Obama campaign attempted to pay off Rev. Wright (by his own words)? How about the indepth reviews of Romney's past while turning a blind eye to the President's shape shifting (changing his stories about his life, exposing his previous statements as "generalizations",etc.) as is coming out via various books, his own statements in public, etc.?

4. The growing threats from internal groups. I may not be a fan of the President, but there are groups outright threatening him (IE- Nation of Islam warning the President on his statements). Then you've got significant pushes to get the public to the streets ( Fox Piven and professors pushing students to get arrested, the "justice for Travon" movements, the 99%er's, the anarchists, the communists, etc.

5. Both politicial parties are hell bent on them or no-one. I'm with you that the Republicans don't seem to have learned from the past, their mistakes, etc. Similarly, I'm with you that the Democrats seem oblivious to how money works in the economy and economic policy making. I think both candidates are bad, but at the core I just want our nation to be able to correct course without having a big brother state.

Think what you want, but be aware that all of these paths are leading us to a worse place. I don't see any reason to believe that at some reasonably near point in time our nation could: Fall apart when viable states refuse federal control and don't want to carry the others, could slip into civil war when those wanting government for everything take on those wanting limited government, could hit martial law when sleeper cells start picking apart our cities and infrustructure.

Sorry, I'm in a pessimistic mood.

Bravo, RedDev and Houston for setting Lulu straight.

This statement has been so misquoted and so misused. It's a classic case of conservatives refusing to either read or comprehend a statement.

AM: After all, the more the merrier.

With that kind of attitude, hopefully child services would show up and give the kid to a good mother.

Bravo, RedDev and Houston for setting Lulu straight.

@Fielden - the sad part is that Lulu spent time to write a post probably wanting to express some point of view or an opinion, but I stopped reading it as soon as I came to that line. What the Lulu posters don't understand is that as soon as they lie, the rest of the post becomes unreadable because if they are willing to lie once, one can only assume all other claims or points are view are also invalid or out and out lies.

Romney also faces this same problem, he has told so many fabrications, I am to a point where I discount anything he says.

With that kind of attitude, hopefully child services would show up and give the kid to a good mother.

Would that mean your address would be next on their pickup list? After all, you don't pay for your own birth control, that much is clear.

Unless of course you don't have a need for it, which is entirely plausible.

I apologize for the "thick" comment, by the way. I was half joking, but it didn't come off that way.

Of all the "conservatives" around here, you probably are least deserving of that particular epithet.

Now don't let that go to your not-so-thick head. ;-)

I'm not conservative. I'm fiscally responsible....dating back to the Bush I Administration.

@John B

God help you that you don't get out of paying taxes on $6.99. To the Bastille!

I'm not arguing whether an FSA is a good or bad thing, although I will tell my wife requires a prescription drug every month. At one point it was over $200 a month and the FSA paid for that. It was just one drug with an annual cost of over $2,000 of co-pays. I budgeted for this in the FSA but the limit of $2,500 a year did make a difference. I still got under the limit but for others paying more for chronic illnesses the change was a financial hit. However, when the President said "If you like your insurance you can keep it" exactly what did he mean, because as far as I'm concerned he has broken this promise numerous times.

RedDevPS

Oh, we know how FSA accounts work .. and again, to Houston's point, why should I have to pay more in taxes so your lazy a$$ can get tax-free aspirin to cure your hangover while you sit on your butt between jobs.

What an unbelievable IDIOT!

FSA's are available to people who HAVE JOBS! Not 'lazy asses' sitting around between jobs!

Oh and BTW... Money in an FSA account is that person's money... as opposed to the OTHER payouts the government makes to the 'lazy asses' sitting around between jobs... you know... the payouts I'm talking about... THE BIG $ PAYOUTS... All those entitlements... Yet you seem to be perfectly fine paying taxes for those payouts!

What a dimwit!

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On another note... Isn't it nice to see that some things never change... the hate coming from the left today is the one universal constant!

Thanks loonies!

(now show me the clown nose, fisty!)

What an unbelievable IDIOT!

FSA's are available to people who HAVE JOBS! Not 'lazy asses' sitting around between jobs!

Did Wal-Mart recently start offering benefits?

Doesn't ROMNEY'S pointing finger above look bigger than his head?

Unless of course you don't have a need for it, which is entirely plausible.

Ruken,

Can you spare a couple of paper towels?

My moniter is in serious need of a clean up!

Did Wal-Mart recently started offering benefits?

Only for the "greeters"...

LMFAO!

Ruken...

You are one disgusting excuse for a person! HATEFUL to the point of rivaling Fisty!

You are one disgusting excuse for a person! HATEFUL to the point of rivaling Fisty!

*bows*

And the sad part is you take a bow for that. :-(

And the sad part is you take a bow for that. :-(

Why? From you, it's obviously a compliment. :)

Hopefully I don't get bitten by a rattlesnake in your garden center section today.

TO: tempusfugit1 who wrote:

"Wow, such vitriol from most of you folks. Mitt must be doing something right to get such reactions..."

I'm surely NOT going to vote for him, and you'd have to be insane to think that "hate" is a "good" sign.

Obama/Biden 2012

Hey American Girl...

Perhaps you should talk to Ruken about how that hate-thingy is not a good thing. ;-)

BTW Ruken...

I'm not a WalMart employee as you seem to enjoy accusing me of being... no... I'm an average college grad with a 6-figure salary who likes to visit this zoo on his lunch break. BUT... if I were a WalMart employee... I would definitely be a better American than you since I would be working. You on the other hand (like your idol, fisty) spend your miserable existence on this site spreading hate on all you see.

(and I might add... that existence is just what you deserve!)

the hate coming from the left today is the one universal constant!

SonnySOBBeaches - let's parse this hate thing down

You are one disgusting excuse for a person

Thanks loonies!

What an unbelievable IDIOT!

And the sad part is

:-(

Tell me again - who is the hate monger? If that is your sunny side, I'd hate to see the dour one.

Oops, and one more late breaking item

spend your miserable existence on this site spreading hate on all you see.

LOL!

Another hateful country heard from...

I'm sorry if the truth hurts, my friend - but I was compelled to comment on what I saw. That's all.

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Oh yeah, RedDevPS... I apologize for calling you an idiot... but the comment you made regarding FSA's indicated that you really had no idea what they are, or how they work... and when you paired that with the 'taxes' and 'lazy people sitting on their butts' comment... well...

Ah well... Lunch break is over... time to go back to work.

(Ruken... RedDevPS... you folks DO know what work is don't you?)

Enjoy the rest of your day!

@ Alan --

I put the term "conservative" in quotes because although you claim to be independent, your positions are usually closer to theirs than to our liberal positions. I'm liberal, and also fiscally responsible. That doesn't prove anything about your worldview, which seems to tend toward the conservative.

However, when this happens, the cost to the ER is not fully covered, and they make up the difference by charging those covered by private insurance more, cost-shifting. Again, there have been a number of studies that predict this will increase as Obamacare is implemented. So although you want to see the end of private insurance, until you get your single-payer or public option or whatever gets dreamed up as some form of universal coverage, private insurance is going to pay for a lot of the ACA.

Keep talking. All you are doing is reinforcing the case for single payer, under which those issues could be controlled. As I'm sure you know, I was never a fan of ACA in the first place.

But the way a lot of modern HMO's work, and the growing trend toward pre-screening and the use of"urgent care" clinics, rather than emergency rooms, you simply cannot misuse the emergency room the way you suggest and expect the insurer to pay for it. So I don't know where that comes from, and I do question how pervasive it is. If you have a link, I would love to take a look at it.

Yesterday and the Six Days Precedent, A Retrospective:

(the aperitif preceding your Jody feast)

Wow, the summer doldrums have arrived early as the Rombot campaign trots out the greatest "hits" of 2008. President Obama born in Kenya? Really? Reverend Wright hasn't influenced anything in the last four years, but now he's the great Satan? Really? Breitbart has become credible from the grave? (rolling eyes in...3...2...1...now). Rombot can't "correct" supporters that call the President treasonous. Mittronic could do well to consult with McCain on what integrity is like. Rombot releases his new infomercial,"Day One", detailing his "back to the future" plan for the United States. Hard core tricorn hat wearers will be supremely disappointed that the Rombot has a (gasp) health-care reform plan that might be a little more encompassing than the "bleed out in the E.R." plan being advocated at the present. It looks like Mittronic has over-estimated his administration by at least one day, possibly more.

Meanwhile, President Obama goes on to lead the world with the G8 summit at Camp David and a NATO summit in Chicago. The two big topics, the Eurozone crisis precipitated by the Greek election and the winding down of the Afghan war. It is hoped that the President's leadership can offer alternatives for Europe going forward as the ongoing crisis threatens the American export market due to a rapid devaluation of the euro. No doubt, the Rombot will say,"Let them go bankrupt." Of course, the President has to be successful, otherwise Mittronic won't be able to take a lot credit.

Facebook opens at $38 a share today, proving that braggadocio and gossip make a potent economic brew for now. General Motors pulling their advertising from the site (organization, corporation, business?) could be a harbinger of the transitory, bubble-like nature of inter-tube, blog-o-web type ventures, yet again.

Speaking of bubble-like, former GOP golden girl and uber-harridan Meg Whitman oversees the slashing of 30,000 jobs from Hewlett Packard as her keenly insightful, razor sharp business acumen struggles to keep up with the present and/or anticipate the future, even a little bit. While she won't be facing a pay cut, 30,000 people will be suffering from her inability to run the business. Word is the Rombot is disappointed that he won't get 30,000 joy hits firing all those folks personally. Remember Teabots, if you blame the President for this, then he gets credit for all the positive job growth of the last consecutive 26 months. NOT Congress, certainly not Congress.

Did someone say Congress? Because John Boehner officially opened hostage taking season, vowing not to increase the debt ceiling this year unless the poor and the elderly are eating the most generic pet food in ever. The Teapublican stance has changed from "Let them eat cake" to "Let them watch us eat cake". Of course, the cuts that the Teapublicans agreed to after the super-committee failure are being reneged upon because they want to see if the country"s credit rating can sustain a high B, which for them is still a passing grade.

For everyone who enjoyed disco and the disco era, this week saw the death of Donna Summer after a long struggle with cancer. While this correspondent did not care for disco music, the most sincere condolences are extended to all her fans over a light extinguished to soon from the world of entertainment. Ms. Summer's ability to bring joy to many millions of all persuasions and positions in life is something that is always needed and seems to be sorely lacking sometimes.

From retrospective to perspective. You're welcome.

(Ruken... RedDevPS... you folks DO know what work is don't you?)

Yup. You have heard of multitasking, haven't you?

Ah well... Lunch break is over... time to go back to work.

Indeed, back to the front lanes right?

Indeed, back to the front lanes right?

While the lunch hour may be over, it doesn't change the issue that he is permanently 'out to lunch'. Very much like the oxymoron moniker, SickoftheBickering.

Trinity [church Rev Wright used to pastor] has long had strong ties with the African roots of its faith. Prisoners are asked to respect what they call "the black value system:" to rededicate themselves to God, the black family and the black community. Reinforcing the motto that they are quote "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian."

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

Tell me what's wrong with that?

I suggest you teabaggers put down your racist notions and read what Carter G. Woodson calls the miseducation of the Negro. That Africa is ignorant, Africans are ignorant; there is no African history, there is no African music, there is no African culture, anything related to Africa is negative, therefore you are not African. Chinese come to the country, they're still Chinese-American. We have Chinatown. Koreans come, they're still Korean. They have Koreatown. Africans come, they're colored. They're Negro. They're anything but Africa. In fact, we don't even call them Ebb, Ebb, Fulani, Fanti, Ga, no, no, no -- they're all "Negro." Portuguese, "Negro" Spanish. They're all gettin' lumped into black, but we're not black, we are Negro with a capital N.

The shame of being a descendant of Africa, was a shame that had been pumped into the minds and hearts of Africans from the 1600s on, even aided and abetted by the benefit of those schools started by the missionaries, who simply carried their culture with them into the South and taught their cultures being synonymous with Christianity. So that to become a Christian, you had to let go of all vestiges of Africa and become European, become New Englanders and worship like New England, worship God properly and right. Well, that shame was a part of the shame that many Africans in the '60s and the '70s were feeling.

Having people dedicate themselves to God, family, and values was never the problem. It was the "G_D_America!" and the racially divisive stuff. If it is wrong for whites to divide themselves from blacks then how is it okay for blacks to divide themselves from whites? Aren't both examples of racism?

Definition of RACISM
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

From merriam-webster.com

According to this definition, if blacks are dedicating themselves to "black values" and such, then are they not believing that race is a primary determinant of human traits and are they not discriminating by saying that different races have different values? How is this different from whites saying that their values are different? How are we ever going to be rid of racism if we can't simply start seeing each other as human beings rather than constantly dividing each other by skin color or ethnic origin? As long as we divide each other this way, won't we always see the "other" as the enemy? Christianity did not come from the Western world but from the Middle East. It existed in Africa (Ethiopia and Egypt) long before it existed here in America. It is neither a "white" nor a "black" concept but is intended to unite people who are natural enemies-initally these people were Jews and Gentiles of various races throughout the Roman Empire. (Yes, there were black Jews as well as black Gentiles.)

I personally would much prefer to view all people as my fellow human beings and not divide them by race. That way we can work together to make things better for all of us here on this planet. It's the only one we have.

If you believe this you've never actually listened to the sermon. He says IF America doesn't behave in a Godly manner THEN G_D America.

I'd think that's an opinion any person of faith could agree with.

ForePlinger- great post. It's amazing how desperate the GOP ALREADY is in regard to a campaign against Obama. I see the nitwit in AZ is trying to keep him off the ballot. They know if he is on they may lose the state. How pathetic is that? But, how pathetic a candidate is Romney? When you run an idiot for your candidate, you have to go to the extreme to see that people vote for him.

The GOP proves daily they have no sanity. How embarrassing the GOP of old has fallen so low.

Obama/Biden 2012

To those of you who think that congress read or understood the healthcare bill, think again. There are continual unintended consequences that have and will be modified once it is understood the havoc it creates.

And to those who have pinned me with the conservative tag, I am an independent who voted for Obama. Sorry he has not lived up to expectations.

Oh, come on, Grimey - I don't care when they taped it, the Kentucky Derby was the obvious answer, though I was glad he didn't say they were running the Indy 500 in 1875! And really, Chuck, you shouldn't have missed the one about Sheryl Crow or that Switzerland is the one with the cantons, either. :) No, seriously, that was a great job and you did all of us here at First Read proud. I'm off to go look up Samaritan Inns right now and make a donation in your honor.

Way to go!

Romney the fall guy. Sure can't win against Obama he has nothing different to offer. So why has the republican establishment picked this guy? Are they in collusion with democrats? Either way the middle class is going to be hating life the next 4 years.

LOL...I was just trying to be nice there, JoAnne. :-)

The biggest headsmacker for me was the one about Thanksgiving. No one got that one...and admittedly, neither did I!? The date is what threw me off (1864 I believe). But November shoulda given it away. Oh well...can't get them all. :-)

Derek...I don't remember that clue on Jeopardy last night. ;-)

Sure you didn't mean to put that somewhere else?

When will Romney hold a press conference or give specifics about his plans for: the economy, health care, defense spending, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security?

Grimey -

I knew the Thanksgiving one, too - I'm a veritable genius when I'm sitting at home! On the show itself, though, I'd be like the woman who was on against a former co-worker of mine one time, who was so nervous and upset after the first break that it took a whole team of make-up people to erase her tears during the break and they still weren't sure she'd be able to continue.

P.S. - My co-worker missed a big Daily Double in "Presidential Trivia" when she was on - "He was the first U.S. President to study judo while in the White House" (note: she was on about 15 years ago, so you can rule out Obama or Bush!)

P.S. to eric-913730 - If that was a "Jeopardy" question you just posed, I'll bet the clue was "Not before November 6, 2012"!

Congrats to Chuck and to all our political friends who went on Jeopardy this week. I took the test to be a contestant once. They had timed question session, with typical questions from the show to answer and then a test game. I didn't make it through the first part---they fired the questions so fast it was amazing. So I give a lot of credit to all contestants! And how nice to raise money for charity.

JoAnne...Yeah, I can't imagine actually being on the show. Very easy sitting on the couch. I'm guessing here, but is the answer to the question Teddy Roosevelt? He just seems like he'd be the type physically that could do it.

You are correct, Grimey - hope you wagered a lot of money!

Great comment by Jay Leno last night. He was talking about how Chris Mathews totally blew it on Jeopardy. Said the only bright spot about his not being able to get facts straight was that Fox News immediately offered him a job!

Eric-913730 #2.4

Exactly what I'm wait for... something... anything... but all I get from Romney is words like "improve", "better". "unshackle".

What about foreign affairs? He's got the best foreign advisers the GOP could get, the Bush advisors. They should be able to come up with a fancy lingo to put on their failed policies. After all, they made Shock and Awe, Patriot Act, and Mission Accomplished sound like a walk on the beach.

Where does he stand on Education? Cost of college? Outsourcing jobs? Fair tax rates?

He has yet to mention one single policy that will help the middle class American directly. I get the whole "trickle down" economics. Sounds good on paper. I understand the desire to make corporations tax exempt. I get it, let the businesses make more on top of the trillions they are sitting on already so they will hire more people.

Just what is in it for me and my family if I elect Romney into power? How does repealing Obamacare help me? Does bombing Iran benefit me?

You can't tell me one single proposal Romney has put forth that the current president hasn't already proposed that will benefit me and mine directly.

TO: Eric-913730 who wrote:

"When will Romney hold a press conference or give specifics about his plans for: the economy, health care, defense spending, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security?"

Romney would never do that, because if he did, he couldn't ever get elected.

No, I think Republicans will keep all that "Ryan Plan" and "Grover Nordquist" stuff deep in the background, then, IF they win, they'll claim they have a "mandate" from the American People to fullfill every dirty detail of the "Ryan Plan", which will begin with BIG tax breaks for mega-millionaires, the repeal of the minimum wage, and a surge of Vulture Capitalism.

Obama / Biden 2012

Obama out in 2012 ....

Bye bye Biden ....

American Gurl...yes but that is probably better than a President who has failed to have a budget for the last 3 years and just had his latest proposal defeated on a 55-0 vote in the Senate. Even his own idiots don't have faith in him!!! With his gift of numbers, someone better start checking his golf score card every time he plays.

TO: Bob-1136191 who wrote:

"American Gurl...yes but that is probably better than a President who has failed to have a budget for the last 3 years and just had his latest proposal defeated on a 55-0 vote in the Senate..."

Bob, you obviously have no idea what's at stake and you're just caught up in rhetoric, talking points, and hate speech that Republicans have been rehearsing ever since the crashed the United States Economy.

I'm not in favor of the "Ryan Plan," nor am I prepared to have my Social Security and/or my Medicare stolen from me which I pre-paid for all my working life.

Some folk's thinking doesn't move beyond the words "Democrat" and "Republican".

Mine does.

Obama/Biden 2012

American Girl-724855,

Hate to break it to you but it was the Dem's policies that caused all the bad mortgage loans. They wanted every one to have a house, whether they could afford to pay for it or not. Intrest rates went up, people deafualted on their home loans and the issues cascaded through all of the worlds finacial markets.

Every one knows it was the dem's that caused caused the great reccission. Of course you will claim it was Bush's fault, and he is partially to blame for not getting the legislation passed that would have regulated the way Fannie Mae and Freddie mac do business. Of course it was the dems that blocked the legislation.

Ok, American Girl now it is time to stick your head back in the sand and be a good brainwashed lib.

American Girl,

I've been trying to point out to everyone what contracting the government will do to the economy, what the impact of the budget cuts the Ryan plan will be, so I hope you don't mind my reiteration of the 55 trillion insurance bomb that the transference of Merrill Lynch's home mortgage derivatives onto Bank of America's ledger that will go off if the republicans put the Ryan budget into play. Romney has already stated that he believes in letting peoples mortgages go into foreclosure. After the last few years of spotty employment by millions of persons in this country, many are holding on by theiir fingernails. If the economy contracts, as it will under the Ryan budget, the ripple effect through economy could easily become a tsunami as that 55 trillion dollars worth of mortgage derivatives becomes completely worthless and the FDIC becomes responsible for those debts. That is a very curious economic strategy that the republicans are proposing.

OK, for the $1,000,006th time;

The crash didn't start with Fannie and Freddie, Fannie and Freddie had problems because of the crash.

The crash started in the unregulated derivatives market, a sandbox where Fannie and Freddie didn't play.

Fannie and Freddie controlled less than 20% of the subprime mortgage market at the time of the crash. Who forced the financial markets to loan out the other 80%?

JP Morgan Chase just lost $3B IN THE LAST SEVEN WEEKS by playing with that same hot stove. Are Fannie and Freddie responsible for that as well?

You're entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts.

lahater'

I seem to remember George Bush going on TV and asking all Americans to take out that second mortgage, fix up your house, buy that new car, stimulate the economy. I guess you don't. Plus it wasn't just that poor people were buying homes, it was the unregulated banking folks giving them. Nobody put a gun to their heads to make risky loanns to people who ccouldn't afford them. The on top of that the Wall Streeter's turned them into derivatives, that too was unregulated and all of this occured during the Bush/Republican control of government and oversight.

TO: lahater who wrote:

"American Girl-724855, Hate to break it to you but it was the Dem's policies that caused all the bad mortgage loans..."

Do you remember who was in the White House?

Hate to break it to you but it was the Dem's policies that caused all the bad mortgage loans. They wanted every one to have a house, whether they could afford to pay for it or not.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but that is false! Excerpt From a George W. Bush radio address to the nation in June, 2001, just six months after he took office:

For instance, while the rate of homeownership amongst all Americans is nearly 68 percent, the rate among African-American and Hispanic families is under 50 percent. One particular program, the American Dream Downpayment Fund, will provide $200 million in downpayment assistance to help 130,000 low-income families buy homes.

In October, 2002, Bush called a conference in the White House on "Increasing Minority Home Ownership". From a speech given by Bush at that conference:

...you don't have to have a lousy home for first-time home buyers. If you put your mind to it, the first-time home buyer, the low-income home buyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.

There you have it, Bush thought that low-income buyers should own a nice house regardless of their ability to pay for it!

All legislation is documented on government websites. Look this one up; it is quite interesting:

American Dream Downpayment Initiative (ADDI) - signed into law on Dec 16, 2003.

Sponsor: Sen. Wayne Allard [R-CO]

Co-sponsors: Samuel Brownback [R-KS]; Conrad Burns [R-MT]; Ben Campbell [R-CO]; Michael Crapo [R-ID]; Michael Enzi [R-WY]; Charles Hagel [R-NE]; Lisa Murkowski [R-AK]; Richard Santorum [R-PA]; Jefferson Sessions [R-AL]

Note that there was not one Democrat co-sponsoring this bill. The bill was sponsored by a Republican, co-sponsored only by other Republicans, passed by a Republican majority in the House and Senate and signed into law by a Republican president. It reduced the downpayment on GSE (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and FHA) loans to 3%.

Here are some excerpts from the fact sheet that was passed out before the speech announcing the push for this legislation one year before it was passed. They detail moves that the administration had already made:

The Administration also implemented a hybrid Adjustable Rate Mortgage (ARM) product that makes it easier for new homebuyers to stay in their homes in the first few years.

Substantially increasing, by at least $440 billion, the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market specifically targeted toward the minority market.

Of all the factors that most everyone blames for the housing crisis, the two that are most consistently blamed are ARMs and the secondary mortgage market. Here we have Bush taking direct credit for pumping up both!

Nope, the facts don't lie! Republicans, and specifically George W. Bush, are responsible for the housing mortgage meltdown.

Why is Mitt parking most of his money in overseas accounts, is he hiding something ?

Good Morning Independent Redneck Va.

Word is that Mr. Romney already has purchased him an advance copy and is feverishly studying it to formulate his governing strategy.

Now that is laughable. Perhaps that tepid endorsement Bush gave Rob-me from an elevator gives Mittens the incentive to further peddle Bush's failed nonsense. I really don't think Mittens would have ever mentioned Bush had he not got a shout out from Bush in the elevator.

Mittens thinks Ryan's Budget was "it".

Obama/ Biden 2012

Pretty funny, Mr. Bush presenting himself as some sort of expert on job creation, isn't it? Especially since he's the worst President on record for job creation going back at least as far as Harry Truman.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

Romney ' "I'll fix the economy" [No specifics]

Romney "I"ll repeal and replace Obamacare" [No specifics]

Romney "I'll reform Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security" [No specifics]

Romney "I learned from my father not to give specifics because they can be used against you in an election".

Romney is hiding from the press. When will Romney hold a news conference?

Romney "I learned from my father not to give specifics because they can be used against you in an election".

Now, I don't know if I said that, but if I did, I stand by it.

Eric,

Mitt is not my choice either, but it sure is funny how the media did all they could to make sure he was the candidate?

Next President Obama will write a book detailing how to get out of a recession. I can hardly wait to read it!

It is also funny that President Bush gets credit for single handily crashing our country when you give all kinds of reasons why President Obama can not get what he wants.

Oh well what the heck is another 10 trillion dollars of new debt? I am sure that the world will be lining up to give us more money!

Never

subnormal #5.5

Mitt was the GOP choice. It was his turn. Conservative votes don't count. Just look at the delegates.

You can't blame the media on the choice the GOP establishment makes.

TO: Eric-913730 who wrote:

"Romney ' "I'll fix the economy" [No specifics]

Romney "I"ll repeal and replace Obamacare" [No specifics]

Romney "I'll reform Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security" [No specifics]

Romney "I learned from my father not to give specifics because they can be used against you in an election".

Romney is hiding from the press. When will Romney hold a news conference?"

The ONLY thing Romney actually cares about is, that he thinks he is so good looking, and so rich, that he just ought to be POTUS. End of story.

Romney will do whatever Grover Nordquist tells him to do, and Grover Nordquist has already said that all Republicans need is for someone to sign the stuff that Republicans have already written.

Obama/Biden 2012

See, what happened is, your comment was so particularly vile this morning, not one, but two people e-mailed me & told me to check it out!

ROFL! Bullsh*t.

Feisty....calling Feisty...(static)

I have a possible racially charged comment on the First Thoughts thread this morning. Suspect posted comment #3 and referred to Al Sharpton's ass as black. Please investigate. (more static)

Oh well what the heck is another 10 trillion dollars of new debt? I am sure that the world will be lining up to give us more money!

Oh, bullcrap! Bush started his presidency with $5.8T in debt. His last budget, signed by him in Oct, 2008, expired in Sept, 2009 with $11.9T in debt. Since then, our debt has increased to $15.5T. That's an increase of $3.6T in ~3 years, NOT $10T!!! Not stellar performance, I'll grant you, but then he was left with an economy in shambles. That decreased revenue (all those people out of work don't pay taxes) and increased outlays (all those people out of work collect unemployment).

You know, its funny - righties here keep touting Obama as the "food stamp president". That title surely fits George W. Bush much better - no other president in history has managed to change so many job holders into food stamp recipients in so short a time!

Now Mitt wants to finish "W's" job in destroying this Nation !

Another dazzling re-cap from Jody... thanks friend!

I would only add from late last night - Rep. Jeff Sessions accused a Democratic Rep of drinking on the job!

When confronted about it, he said he never said that...

Problem for Sessions is it was captured on video by C-SPAN!

Happy Friday Jody,

Another Great Recap for the Week!

and another rebuttal from a deranged lunatic! Thanks nojo

Dang and I gave the Trackhoe Operator the day off. Reckon I'll have to take care of it myself Jody (excellent job as always). On another note we've simply got to do something with all the Elephant Poop that is stacking up down at the DDI. Just like this election it is threatening to cover us all up.

Thanks for all the time you put into these recaps Jody . . . a great read from a great lady! :o)

Jody - So much material - so little space.....as always spot on and the TRUTH!

TRUTH - GNOP CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Lie and deflect, change the topic, don't answer the question...the GNOP way....

Jody great job......as always. Reflecting on the JPMorgan debacle, I wonder why the enormous loss that they apparently can afford, couldn't have been made available to consumers for loans to small businesses, to help boost the economy? They all talk a great one about being patriotic, but when it comes down to actually doing something that would help others, not so much.

I hope the City of Chicago and its taxpayers will be extremely stringent in any deal they make with the Ricketts's family and the funds they are looking for to upgrade Wrigley Fields. The irony probably escapes them being against BIG Government except when they want something.

Jody---I thought it was a joke that George Bush had written a book about economics. Kind of like if Mitt Romney had written a book about empathy.

Thanks for a great recap. I never was a Cubs fan (bad enough I root for the Pirates, in their 19th sub-500 season) but until this week I had an account at TD Ameritrade. I am now in the process of closing it---I don't mind that the company makes a profit from holding my investments (I am a capitalist, after all) but I don't need to help it generate profits to fund unpatriotic attacks on my President.

P.S. No Joe---the only word that I can use in public to describe you tagging on to Jody's summary is cowardly. You must be afraid to post on your own--perhaps you think no one will read it otherwise. Here's a hint----most of us have you on ignore anyway.

"Proving beyond all doubt" once again that Jody's wrap-ups are the hit of First Read!

(Also "Proving beyond all doubt" that somebody around here has a serious case of Angry Stalker Syndrome - or is it more like "genius envy"?)

I hope the City of Chicago and its taxpayers will be extremely stringent in any deal they make with the Ricketts's family and the funds they are looking for to upgrade Wrigley Fields

Gingerbread Mamma,

I am happy to report from here on the ground, Rahm Emmanual is not taking calls from the Rickett's family!

To say he's a little pissed off would be an understatement!

Rahm is upset. Who cares, another temper tantrum like your king throws no less. You people need to grow up.

Thanks everyone. IR, I added a comment about Bush's book to yours but it landed all by itself somewhere below.

FYI, I probably won't have a wrap for next Friday since I'll be leaving before FT is up. There's your chance, Snookie-Joe to go it alone--good luck with that or will you just not have the courage to stand on your own merits?

Great reading as always, Jody. Thanks for your efforts.

NO JOE, What a stunning recap. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the memories no joe. Good job.

NO JOE. What a stunning FAILURE of a recap. I can barely keep down my breakfast.

I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but seriously? Pick another day or time and do your own thing.

Jody, the eyes get bigger and rounder as you nail each report. Wow again.

"The Obama campaign ran an ad targeting Mitt Romney's vulture capitalism at Bain. The GOP is outraged, shame on Obama and democrats for using a page from the Rove playbook."

They are such evil pouters. Romney's record, such as he will permit to come out into daylight -- is not equivalent to GOP's lying attacks on the President's character.

If he is running for President and he says he is, we must know Romney's tax record = how he made it and where it is stashed. And without Romney saying "He doesn't remember that" please.

Great Wrap Up Jody : )

Now if only GasEase could be used to get rid of that uncomfortable buildup from all that "proving beyond all doubt" tripe. Perhaps we have found the ultimate renewable source of energy.

no joe, nobo, nj

No Jo, All Blow,

None of that happened the way you depicted it; you jealous hearted copy cat.

Your story belows here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-3Iq3XQkAw

Jody, Iowa

Thanks for the wrap up. I look forward to them every Friday.

Jody - as always - a GREAT wrap-up!

nojoe- another pathetic attempt. But, you do show you know nothing and lie just as poorly on Friday as every other day of the week.

Ricketts are getting worried. My guess is old Joe will bury his head in the sand and not be heard from until after this election is looooooong over. The tax breaks they wanted from the city for Wrigley Field somehow look like the same pipe dream Mitt has for being President. You don't make Rahm angry! Really stupid move on the part of Joe!

Obama/Biden 2012

Of course Willard Romney has more money than President Obama, Willard is a Corporate Raider who has gained his money via shutting down Jobs in the USA and selling them to the highest bidder.

Oh, Nice to see all the Willard Romney plumbers on the site today.

And thats my opinion.

Jody:

As always a great wrap. I honestly had to open a new window as I was scrolling through the comments. It had to be a joke that George W. Bush was writing a book on economics. It's not. More proof that when you think things just can't get any crazier, they do.

By the way, I'll bet that Chase's losses are more than three-billion-dollars when all is said and done. I have read that their exposure is about 150-billion-dollars.

Nice job Jody - always look forward to your posts.

Nojo - as usual distortions and lies.

By the way, I'll bet that Chase's losses are more than three-billion-dollars when all is said and done.

There was an article the other day saying that it was at least a billion more than the "$2B" figure.

It'll go much higher tho, that we can be sure of.

Here's the link: http://marketday.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/17/11744991-chase-pain-not-over-yet-as-losses-grow

By the way, I'll bet that Chase's losses are more than three-billion-dollars when all is said and done. I have read that their exposure is about 150-billion-dollars.

David - do you have a link to the 150b figure. I am not finding anything beyond the 3B referenced by you and Ruken. One thing for sure, $150b will make the Greece problem look like small potatoes.

TO: Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL who wrote:

"...I would only add from late last night - Rep. Jeff Sessions accused a Democratic Rep of drinking on the job!..."

Sessions didn't have his glasses on, as it turns out, it was Boehner.

Obama/Biden 2012

Jody - Thank you so much. Great job once again! As usual, No Jo Blows It. I guess that imitation is the highest form of flattery but he falls way short.

RedDevPS:

I've put up a link that is dated after the article I first read. It appears one of two things happened. Either I misunderstood the original article - not an impossibility by any means, or the latest reporting on it has corrected an earlier reporting error - also quite possible.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/jpmorgans-trading-loss-is-said-to-rise-at-least-50/

It is strange you should ask the question, because earlier another poster put up a figure that I couldn't quite believe. I have also asked for clarification.

Whatever the case, I'd still like to see a lot of the top dogs in the financial services sector behind bars.

So much hate is coming from the extremist on the right. This hate is especially heavy coming from the so called religious ones. Or as many believe the extremist cults that pretend to be part of the faith filled circle.

So much for the religious right following the teachings of Christ "Love thy Neighbor as thyself"...

Seems they forget about the neighbor part and just remember the "thyself" part....

Job1,

No one hates better than the far liberal left.

John B, excellent informative post.

It's the same premise as the anti-abortion groups trying to ban all abortions while fighting to ban contraception, limit access to contraception, fight against the ACA ruling requiring contraception be provided without co-pay, opposing anything but abstinence only sex education for kids--all of which would prevent unwanted pregnancies and thereby reduce the number of abortions.

These groups are not interested in promoting marriage or banning abortion, they simply want the issue for elections, they want to continue dividing the country for political gain for conservative politicians.

Really, hater?

Is the Right NOT gay-baiting the duly elected President of the United States?

Did the National Organization for Marriage not admit;

“The strategic goal of this project is to drive a wedge between gays and blacks—two key Democratic constituencies.

Is NOM NOT trying to bait Blacks and Hispanics into voting on a wedge issue instead of in their own best interests?

Did this smear NOT pop up just Romney starts his general election campaign?

Did the Mormon church NOT provide major funding for Prop 8?

And the Iowa judicial recall push?

And the Arizona recall campaign?

John B. - lahater is the perfect name for him/her. Their hatred is evident in every post. And, truth has no place in anything they write!

TO: lahater who wrote:

"Job1, No one hates better than the far liberal left..."

But you named yourself "lahater" so I don't believe that anyone "hates" as much as you do, which is no doubt why you gave yourself that name, unless it's "Damaged" or one of those other right wing nut jobs.

LOL!

Obama/Biden 2012

No one hates better than the far liberal left.

Irony - this was posted by someone with the handle "lahater" - I swear, you just can't make this stuff up!

I think the phrase we're all looking for here is:

Projection much, lahater? lol

Excellent point, Nash...you're right on target today as usual.

Anyone can make a generalized list of things they are going to do. Folks who are running for President are required to explain HOW they are going to accomplish their wish list based on the tools at their disposal in the real world.

I must have missed the explanation of Obamacare. Can you point me to the speech, document or town hall where the President changed it from "I won't force you to buy health insurance", to "I'm going to sign a mandate requiring you to buy health insurance".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsu_DRzNOFY

Alan:

Good to see you . . . it really is sad how the folks who try to support former Governor Romney just cannot come up with anything affirmative to say about the man.

President Obama's record speaks for itself, so whatever it is you can't find in that regard must be a red herring, so I would stop looking! :o)

Good to see you . . . it really is sad how the folks who try to support former Governor Romney just cannot come up with anything affirmative to say about the man.

Waiting to hear more about his fiscal plans. Right now both candidates plans have huge holes in them, and if what is happening in Europe does not scare people here that the deficit is the most important issue then we face a dismal future. IMHO neither candidate has a believable plan to address the deficit. So in that respect I cannot say anything affirmative about either candidate.

Alan:

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, the economy has been doing better under President Obama's policies than under his predecessors. Of course, you and I both know that you are never going to give the President credit for anything . . . it seems that you are in that school of thought that goes "If somehting good happens on the President's watch, it was not skill, it was luck. Conversely, if something bad happens on the President's watch, it was all his fault."

Also known as the "Heads I win, tails you lose" strategy.

Wishing you all the luck in the world with that, but for those of us who recognize the limitations of reality, President Obama has done a hell of a job with one $hi++y hand.

For reals.

Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, the economy has been doing better under President Obama's policies than under his predecessors. Of course, you and I both know that you are never going to give the President credit for anything . . . it seems that you are in that school of thought that goes "If somehting good happens on the President's watch, it was not skill, it was luck. Conversely, if something bad happens on the President's watch, it was all his fault."

What part of the economy is doing better under Obama? Bush had unemployment below 6% for 6 of his years in office. he had smaller deficits even with two wars and a unfunded Medicare D.

All you are doing is comparing the first 3 years of Obama to the last 2 years of Bush. Bush had a decent economy even after 9/11 which nearly closed down the country. And this is not a comment supporting his tax cuts or fiscal (mis)-management, simply looking at the metrics.

Also, what other predecessors are you taking about? Clinton, Bush I, Reagan? My opinion is that fiscally, the last two administrations have been reckless with their spending and now with the Baby Boomer demographics hitting the social programs we are basically broke. So, to be honest I wouldn't give Bush or Obama credit for the economic stewardship as they have spent the country into an economic mess.

Alan:

We have been having this dance together long enough to know how it ends . . . if you can sit there with a straight face and pretend like the sh!tstorm that President Bush started hasn't been the central issue of the Obama presidency, then really there is nothing to discuss.

Have a great weekend.

Hey Nash. What Obama policies would those be? Don't recall seeing any other than extending Bush tax cuts, a failed almost trillion dollar "stimulus", and giving good money to bad companies (green energy folks).

Dear Talk to the Hand:

I would like to kindly respond to your question by referring you post 8.3 and your screen name.

I do not time to faux debate with folks who are comfortable with their misconceptions.

Do your homeworrk and verify your sources.

Or not. Whatever.

Okay, you made your point. There aren't any whether 8.3 says there are or not. Got it.

@Alan,NJ

What part of the economy is doing better under Obama? Bush had unemployment below 6% for 6 of his years in office. he had smaller deficits even with two wars and a unfunded Medicare D.

You gotta be kidding. That kinda reminds me of a fella who fell off of a 50 story bldg and as he passed each window, he shouted, "everything's ok so far". It took time for the cumulative effect of the busher's lunacy/stupidity to tank the economy. Really???? That's all you got? Really???Wow!!!

And the reason he had smaller deficits was because his wars and Medicare "reform" (a.k.a. Pharma gift) weren't ever on the budget. And some of his most devastating consequences were visited upon us as he tried to hurry out the back down while the White House was on fire from his playing with matches. He openly tried to defer his lame-duck decisions to Obama. Now why would he do that? You are embarrassing yourself, pal.

And the reason he had smaller deficits was because his wars and Medicare "reform" (a.k.a. Pharma gift) weren't ever on the budget.

But it did show up on the overall debt so whats your point? Compare Apples to Apples and the last two administrations have increased the debt recklessly. We already had the discussion that Bush's tax policies did not lead to the housing/financial crisis. If you want to blame him for the housing crisis fine, he has to shoulder most of the blame as he was in office at the time. However, there were many other factors involved that do not cover either party in much glory.

He openly tried to defer his lame-duck decisions to Obama. Now why would he do that? You are embarrassing yourself, pal.

What would you have preferred? That he spend another $350B of TARP during his lame-duck period? That he decides not bail out GM/Chrysler. I am no fan of Bush but the fact that he did defer major decisions to the incoming Administration was actually one his better moves.

You're deflecting, Alan. That's pathetic. I would have preferred that bush was responsible and exercised good judgement but we both know that by 2008, that boat had sailed. He deferred to Obama because he knew that he and his admin were totally fu**** and his "legacy" was going up in smoke. By trying to defer to Obama, he was trying to be able to blame Obama. A poor attempt at deflection, just like yours.

One difference between you and I,Alan, is I don't care about covering either party in glory. They both suck. And I hate to say that I think Obama does too. But the repugs suck much worse and are really openly advocating screwing everyone but the rich. Are you rich,Alan? If you're not, you're voting against your own best interests. I have stated before, I don't know who I'll vote for, but I guarantee it won't be a GD lying,thieving repug or a dinosaur.

We already had the discussion that Bush's tax policies did not lead to the housing/financial crisis. If you want to blame him for the housing crisis fine, he has to shoulder most of the blame as he was in office at the time.

You cannot separate the problems that led to our collapse. They are all related. Trying to deal with just one is like trying to pull a noodle of cooked spaghetti out of a plate of cooked noodles and not moving or affecting the others. Impossible. Housing crisis? yes- dead economy? yes...no job growth? yes...2 or 3 failed stimulus plans with no opposition or questioning from his own party? yes...a secret energy conference that was shrouded in secrecy after which energy prices kept rising as well as oil imports? yes

Domestic spying and warrantless wiretaps? yes...ignoring Hebeas Corpus and the Constitution? yes

bush was a failure any way one could fail and then idiots want to blame Obama because he can't put Humpty Dumpty together again...you are clueless,Alan. If you want to hate Obama, fine. At least find some coherent rational reasons. Anna Molly can help you. She's quite good. But for God's sake, stop thinking that Romney or the GOP will help you. You might as well just liquidate your assets and just send it to the Kochs. Find non-Romney, non-GOP alternatives. Romney will do to you what he did to Georgetown Industries. Why shouldn't he? You're inviting him in.

Domestic spying and warrantless wiretaps? yes...ignoring Hebeas Corpus and the Constitution? yes

bush was a failure any way one could fail and then idiots want to blame Obama because he can't put Humpty Dumpty together again...you are clueless,Alan. If you want to hate Obama, fine. At least find some coherent rational reasons. Anna Molly can help you. She's quite good. But for God's sake, stop thinking that Romney or the GOP will help you. You might as well just liquidate your assets and just send it to the Kochs. Find non-Romney, non-GOP alternatives. Romney will do to you what he did to Georgetown Industries. Why shouldn't he? You're inviting him in.

What am I deflecting from and what is pathetic? Would you have preferred Bush spend the 700B of TARP and let GM and Chrysler hit bankruptcy before Obama even was inaugurated? Instead of throwing insults why don't you list alternatives?

We are not different as I think both parties suck and our leaders in Washington (all of them) are leading us off a fiscal cliff. Our difference is that I call it both ways.

Bush was a fiscal disaster, Obama is a fiscal disaster.

Bush trampled over the freedoms of the constitution, Obama has his AG arguing that it is legal to

a) Incarcerate Americans indefinitely with no recourse to court

b) Execute Americans with no legal due process (apparently due process within the Executive decision making process is sufficient)

I do not blame Obama for Bush's failure, he has enough of his own for that.

Obamacare - "I will not force people to buy insurance" became an individual mandate

Afghanistan - escalated

Stimulus - did not address any long term infrastructure needs. frittered away in two years to keep states afloat

Bush Tax Cuts - Extended

Baghram - Different from Gitmo in what way?

Rendition - Still occurring

But keep blaming Bush if that makes you feel better about Obama's successes.

I have no feelings either way about Obama or Romney. They will not decide the fiscal future of this country as it now probably too late for either to make a difference. In the near future taxes are going up for people like me, who earn less than 250K, and social services will be cut no matter who wins the election. We've been living beyond our means, the bill is due, and there ain't enough rich people to cover it.

BTW You should stop trying cover up you inability to make a coherent argument by insulting the person you are arguing with. It just displays your immaturity. You really think insults like pathetic or clueless enhance your position?

What part of the economy is doing better under Obama?

This part of the economy is doing better:

...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

and this part:

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 = 8149

DJIA May 19, 2012 = 12369

and this part:

Dec 29, 2008 U.S. corporate earnings probably fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

Now, as for this:

he had smaller deficits even with two wars and a unfunded Medicare D.

Bullcrap! Bush started his presidency in 2001 with $5.8T in debt. His last budget, signed Oct, 2008 and running to Sept, 2009 left a debt of $11.9T. That's an increase of $6.1T over 8 years - more than double!

Our current debt is $15.5T - that's an increase of $3.6T in ~3 years. Not stellar, I'll admit, but then Obama was dealing with the total crash of the economy that Bush left him. What was Bush's excuse?

old: Like running McCain/Palin...or running Mitt, whom most of the GOP don't even want....like that?

Or Angle against Reid....or that witch...was was her name...Christine something???

OldSchoolLatinTeacher

Countdown to (WI) recall election... The Dems are running a tired old retread candidate thinking that he would be better this time around. You would think they would be smarter than that, but then again...

You'd think the lying, crossed-eyed, college drop, would have had better sense than to create a legal defense fund from campaign donations.

He [Gov Walker]disclosed in March, though, that he set up a legal defense fund using $60,000 in campaign contributions with guidance from the GAB. State law allows such moves only if officeholders or their agents have been charged with or are under investigation for election or campaign violations.

http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_20630709/tom-barrett-demands-scott-walker-explain-legal-defense

Beverly, even a bitter lonely person like you needs to let go of delusions and focus on reality. Walker will retain his post and the only people still foaming over Hussein are single frustated women like you who went all in on him 3 years ago and are now pushed against the wall. We worry what will happen to you and people like Fisting Redhead in Roselle when the reality has set in after November. Didn't see you comment on the NYT post showing Romney up by 9. Can't think of a more liberal biased rag and even they see it coming.

Bev: F.I.B. politics don't work in Wisconsin. Barrett is a retread, and a bloody threadbare one at that. Perhaps you are simply making my point about "being smarter than that...but then again..."

Good morning Damage . . . hope you have a great weekend . . . and watch out for black people . . . you never know with us! :o)

The point is, all you people claimed to know EXACTLY what happened a montha and a half ago.

Just like you claim to know EXACTLY what happened right now?

Two lessons I learned this week...

1. A Senator an write a useless piece of legislation, claim that represents the policy of the President, have it voted down unanimously and the flock of that Senator's party is actually stupid enough to believe that it was the President's policy that was defeated.

2. The GOP still plans to run on a campaign of fear and hate. Even though the Rev. Wright ad will never air the SuperPACs have called their shot. Voters “still aren't ready to hate this president”...so let us assist them in finding their hatred by making them fear him...right?

What you doing hiding down here Damaged one. Nope if I can't handle myself any better with an Unarmed Teenager than that then I would and should have stayed in my car and let a profesional handle it. Just points out what I say. Your Coward got out of the car into a situation that a Coward couldn't handle and took the Cowardly way out and now you'll are busily doing your best to justify Cowardice.

Regardless of whether Zimmerman is proven guilty or innocent he's still a MORON and a COWARD!

Damaged, Here's a peep - you are a heartless excuse for a human being. Whatever the fault how would you feel if it were your child? He's walking in the neighborhood and someone follows him and kills him. You really are a piece of work.

Regardless of whether Trayvon Martin confronted Zimmerman or the other way around, Zimmerman ignored police advice and got himself into a situation he couldn't control.

Zimmerman had no badge, no authority, no training, and no excuse to ignore the police's advice. He should have sat in his truck and waited on the police as directed.

No matter what, it is a senseless killing and Zimmerman is at fault

This got collapsed with Damage's ranting and raving so I'll repost.

The coroner said the only injuries to Trayvon Martin's hands was a very small laceration on his left ring finger. This is hardly what one would expect from someone who had beaten anyone - as Zimmerman claims.

Zimmerman is at fault and I truly believe is a murderer. If he's let out we'll see this happen again. He's a loose cannon!

I love most of your work here,Seeking, but I'm not so sure on this one. I don't think that there's any question that GZ in a fool and idiot and he's guilty of a lot of ill stuff here but proving murder, which requires proving premeditation, is a tall order. I think that anyone who goes after Martin is almost certainly a fool and bigot because, after all, if GZ has a right to stand his ground, why didn't Martin? The authorities butchered this from start to finish and I suspect that he was charged with murder either to try and compensate for their initial inaction or because they knew they'll never convict him of murder. Further, GZ is obviously scared sh!tle$$ and will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. I don't see a coward like him repeating this action. My guess is he thought that there would be no repurcussions from his actions and he was seriously mistaken. I kinda doubt that he ever said to himself, "I'm gonna kill that n!gg**". But he was just looking to be a bully and it got out of hand.

My son is a decorated Marine from 2 tours of duty in Iraq- infantry. I taught him not to run from fear. Why should Trayvon Martin be forced to run from fear. GZ tried to bully him. GZ is guilty- maybe not murder, but definitely guilty and definitely a gutless coward.

Hello Houston,

Wonderfully said!

Bush pushed the auto bailouts to keep them from going bankrupt. Obama took over and took the companies into bankruptcy. If the banks forgave my debt or just screwed the bondholders, I would be doing better.

The "on one handism" of the MSM is maddening, isn't it? There ISN'T a parallel for every situation on both sides of every issue. If one side is based in fact and the other is blatantly lying the truth isn't halfway between the two. It's easy for the writer, but deceptive.

No, just his Union voters.

Job1

Hello Houston,

Wonderfully said!

Thanks, but what's sad is that this sort of thing has to be said at all, nearly every day. As the US lurches farther toward a totalitarian future, the media seems to have made it their number one priority to keep the public from noticing.

nazarite

Obama took over and took the companies into bankruptcy. If the banks forgave my debt or just screwed the bondholders, I would be doing better.

If Obama hadn't acted the auto industry would have collapsed and dragged the entire US economy down with it. Then we'd all be screwed. Including you, unless you're high enough up in the corporate food chain like Romney that no matter how bad everyone else is doing, you make money.

Houston!

Also, Bain capital was a private entity why didn't the give the money?

If the banks forgave my debt or just screwed the bondholders, I would be doing better.

Well, why are we not surprised it is all about you, and to hell with the needs of the whole. Glad you got screwed, that will teach you to make unwise investments. In the words of another conservative blogger here, why should we have to pay for your inability to properly plan for the future.

Bravo, Houston!

First Read needs to do some homework of their own; false equivalency is an understatement, it's an outright distortion of the facts. Trying to be "fair and balanced" is not the same as being honest with readers (or viewers on TV). Bain Capital exploited profitable companies, leveraged those companies into bankruptcy by borrowing more money to buy other firms (repeat the process), bled them dry, raided the pension funds which taxpayers then had to subsidize, and walked away with millions for themselves. Bain is/was in the business to create profits for its investors and themselves--nothing more, nothing less. 22% of the businesses Bain bought went bankrupt.

Romney likes to talk about Staples as a success story; well, in addition to being mostly lower-paying jobs, Staples went into small cities and put the local Mom & Pop office supply businesse out of business costing jobs. My town is a good example of Staples in action. They came here, the local office supply business closed because they could not compete with the prices and stay afloat; in less than one year--Staples closed and left town because there wasn't enough business here to make it profitable to have such a large store. Staples cost jobs by putting the local small business out of business, then cost more jobs by closing their doors. Bain Capital at work.

The auto industry loans were made because no money was available in the private sector; all those big banks were hanging by their fingernails. Bain refused (and I'm glad they did). What the Obama Administration did to help restructure and re-organize GM and Chrysler prevented the loss of millions of American jobs from auto parts manufacturers to auto dealerships as well as the businesses those workers supported in the local communities. Had Obama not stepped in, we likely would have fallen into another Great Depression. To compare what Bain Capital did/does to what the Obama Team did is ridiculous at best and badly misinformed at the least.

well stated,Jody. And what makes all of this practically admitted to by Bain and Romney is that FACT that they won't name names and show the list of thier investments. If both are so clean and well-intentioned and eager to help companies in distress, I don't see why they don't want to tell who they have boned helped. Until Romney is willing to be open, I assume he's simply lying yet one more time. From my own personal experience and based on years of Bible study as well, I am satisfied that there is no real difference between liars and thieves or lying and stealing. The only difference is that lying steals something intangible. Stealing takes something tangible.If someone will lie, they will steal. I'm quite satisfied that Romney is just one more of countless examples that prove this point. He both lies and steals. And yet, incredibly, still calls himself a Christian without laughing. He kind of reminds me of the song WALKING IN MEMPHIS.

"Tell me boy, are you a Christian" and I said, "ma'am I am tonight".

And how stupid is it for him to openly admit that he won't give specifics because they will be used against him. What a jackass...

I have to admit that I got my wires crossed on the FSA. What confused me was Alan NJ claiming that the Affordable Care Act somehow affected his insurance plan, contrary to what was promised by the Obama administration. Using FSA to save taxes on aspirin doesn't affect other peoples' insurance premiums as I incorreclty said, but neither does it affect Alan NJ's "plan" as he falsely claimed, either. I stopped reading his comment too soon when I got to his whine about aspirin, which other taxpayers have to subsidize for his benefit.

Also, Bain capital was a private entity why didn't the give the money?

Because Bain didn't want to touch GM! As a matter of fact, no private lenders were willing to extend GM the money to get out of their financial hole. It is all grand talk about free market solutions to the woes of ailing companies BUT the fact is, no private firms, including Bain, were willing to step up like the American government was. Face it, without the government bailout, 2 million+ American workers would be out of work and we would be driving Chinese cars instead of American (beacuse GM's fall would have impacted all American car makers) cars. What is good for Bain profits is not necessarily good for America!

Houston: That is how I am with Fox News. I really try to listen to them sometimes but when I get to the first lie, distortion, personal insult, or anything like that I just have to quit watching. And that is usually about the second sentence. And to think I used to listen to them, take that stuff to heart and then hate the Democrats. Seriously. I didn't realize most of the stuff had their own spin, innuendo and most of it wasn't even so. And I love it when people think they hear the other side on there. When? Maybe if I could get past they lies, hatred, and bs perhaps I would hear it. But anymore I just don't have the stomach for it. The good thing is that I have heard 3 family members who are avid listeners comment they get tired of someone bringing someone down all the time. So maybe they are paying attention more than we think. Make that 4 I just remembered a friend who said that too.

You have to listen to many news sources and read many papers to get to the truth. And that would not be just msnbc.. They are off the deep end any more. I listen to them but feel they are so on the left as to not be factual anymore. That said, listen to them,CNN,fox,read the washington post, times, wall street journal. Synthsize. Maybe then, the truth is apparent.

naz; Post facts, post links, or shut up.

Correction, the President never said he was born in Kenya. Again, it looks like the crazy birther folks are coming out of the wood work like cock roaches.

Dragon, I heard the good news yesterday and again today. Your media will not carry any negative stories of the Obamantion. I will not be silenced! Obama had a very strange beginning, childhood to the present.

Job1 - it was in his book promo.

I will not be silenced!

Nope...just mocked as being a great fool.

Dragon, I heard the good news yesterday and again today. Your media will not carry any negative stories of the Obamantion. I will not be silenced! Obama had a very strange beginning, childhood to the present.

Would you like some tin foil?

puken, hem noid - Only the evil and followers of the DARK lord shall mock me. Thanks for the vote confidence.

Yes, but he didn't right it.

Only the evil and followers of the DARK lord shall mock me.

Okay, I thought we banned all of the Sith from this web site.

Only the evil and followers of the DARK lord shall mock me.

He-who-must-not-be-named?

Oh, for crying out loud.....for those who missed it, Cynthia's Point already debunked this lame story (from the always unreliable breitbart.com, of course) above, but here it is again. WITH a link:

"Miriam Goderich issued the following statement to Political Wire:

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time. There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/17/literary_agent_says_1991_booklet_was_a_mistake.html

Ruken

He-who-must-not-be-named?

Could be Voldemort. But maybe Nazarite is a hobbit and he's talking about Lord Sauron.

Let me get this straight, Naz.

A hippie white girl and a black man have a child in Kenya but, recognizing the high probability that this child will someday become President of the United States, they cleverly manage to get a message to the Honolulu Press - from deepest Africa - to plant a birth announcement so that their child will have US citizenship. Getting a local doctor to remember the birth in Honolulu and forge the birth certificate was also a wise thing to do. It makes perfect sense, Naz. Well done and, please don't be silent about this. Everyone will be astounded that you uncovered this fiendish plot by Obama's parents.

It is an indisputable fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. I never bought into the birther stuff - even I don't think Obama is that arrogant; Chester A. Arthur he ain't, (look it up if you don't know why the reference).

That said, it requires very little skepticism to surmise that, based on that publishing booklet, Obama lied to his publisher about where he was born- most likely because it made him look really, really, cool. In fact, it goes a long way toward explaining the zeal to keep his college records Under wraps- he may have lied about his country of origin to either gain acceptance, or to gain funding. The assistant who wrote the blurb suddenly taking all the blame defies credulity- why did she not say he was born in Kansas, since that was where his mother was from originally?

Since the evidence supplied by the books he published provides proof that Obama is a fabulist, it is no stretch to believe he created this fiction about his origins. No harm, no foul- unless this lie garnered him college monies. That is called fraud- and while the statute may have run on the fraud, it will still hurt his election prospects- even more than his incompetence has hurt them.

puken, hem noid - Only the evil and followers of the DARK lord shall mock me. Thanks for the vote confidence.

mmmm.. how devilish!! Simply sinful. Oh Church lady, SATAN, anyone?

OMG - nazarite you're really Donald Trump, right?

nojoe - there is no nice way to put this - you're just da**ed stupid. You try to "draft" onto Jody's Friday post; you try to make something out of nazarite's buffoonery; you just are a fricken freak!

Seeking (in)Sanity, Nojoe's post was actually pretty clever. You and Hussein share a common thead..the inability to listen to others. Can't wait to see your bitterness coming out after November. Maybe even better, you will just go away like Obama.

Bob - no actually, nojoe's post wasn't even remotely clever unless you have nothing for brains. She tries to "draft" on Jody every week and fails miserably.

But, you go ahead and eat up little nojoe's stupidity. My guess is it's the best you have!

...it will still hurt his election prospects- even more than his incompetence has hurt them.

Well, now, since you brought it up, let's look at that incompetence...

He's been incompetent with the economy, like this:

...the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

April 2012 marks the 26th straight month of gains in private-sector employment, for a total of 4.2 million private-sector jobs.

and this:

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 = 8149

DJIA May 19, 2012 = 12369

and this:

Dec 29, 2008 U.S. corporate earnings probably fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

May 11, 2012 Fortune magazine released its ranking of the 500 biggest US corporations Monday, which showed that they received a record-breaking $824 billion in combined profits in 2011, up 16 percent from 2010.

Damn! I want more of this "incompetence"! And a helluva lot less Republican "competence"!

ROMNET? Is he running, too?

R-MONEY imo.

I would like to know how many companies were helped by Bain Capital during Govenor Romney's tenure and of those companies how many are still in business?

backfire, why talk about the facts when you can make up your own lies?

There are some sad sick right wing extremist cults out there. Thank God we have a Great and Wonderful person such as President Obama as our leader.