White House Briefing in Brief: Another debt ceiling fight?

President Obama hosted Congressional leaders at the White House as the U.S. gets closer to having to raise the debt limit again.

Signs of another debt ceiling fight emerged Wednesday as President Obama hosted Congressional leaders at the White House. Press Secretary Jay Carney said the president warned against another last-minute deal to raise the debt limit, even as House Speaker John Boehner insisted this week on spending cuts equal to or higher than the amount the debt ceiling is raised. 

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So, this summer we're going to get a sequel to the really bad "B" movie from last year!

Lovely!

Why don't we talk about Grover Norquist - lobbyist extraordinaire, filthy hands in this mess?

How about all of those congressional members who signed their souls over to him?

I'm sorry but, the only oath they are SWORN to uphold is the one they took upon taking office!

  • 16 votes
Reply#1 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

Gotta love the Quentin Tarantino references made on news reports, and Kill Bill 2.

It's gone well beyond Norquist's dweeb narcissism and delusions of ruling from behind the thrown. The premeditated meeting on inauguration day with Luntz and Gingrich merely incorporates the "my way or the highway" refusal to accept a 10 to 1 cut to revenue proposal as a part of the irrational, damaging obstructionism.

The plan is simple. Make the majority appear to be ineffectual with filibusters, blocks and holds. Then win back the majority and jam through the Paul Ryan austerity and fill all the positions left empty. It's diabolical to be sure, but unfortunately it has worked.

The president is doing a great job of preventing the "Swift-boat lies" and the Dems are doing their best to fight fire with fire. But there is SO much more that must be done from registering voters in Florida to getting funds to defeat Scott walker in Wisconsin, to exposing the Teapublicans for the Protest Party they have have become.

  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:56 PM EDT

Agreed. The money Scott Walker is spending in Wisconsin to defend his recall is obscene. Daily political postcards mailed across the state touting Walker's supposed successes or blasting the negatives of his opponents. And you can't avoid a Walker ad during prime time TV in WI. The old saying that goes 'if you repeat something often enough, soon they'll start believing it' is being played by Walker. Even if it's dead wrong or an outright lie, which is Walker's forte, there's no recourse against him.

Walker just drummed up his own Jobs report that purports Wisconsin is not dead last in job creation as the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported for last year. Go figure, must be that new GOP math Walker's using. No way to challenge and prove it wrong by the recall vote date, so Walker just blasts it out there. Let's hope that investigation catches up to him and they cart him off in cuffs. All Walker's aides are plea bargaining to get off if they cooperate. Let's hope they all snitch on Walker.

We need the Truth Doctrine back and we need to repeal Citizens United.

RECALL WALKER WISCONSIN!!!!!!!!

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:29 PM EDT

Congress is so lame that all they can do is do a rerun summer season.

Your right Feisty, Ole Grover Norquist has said that he only wants a president that has a hand to sign the Congressional bills into law. Nothing more is needed from a president.

He got his guy Romney, and last time I saw him it looked like he could hold a pen.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:29 PM EDT

justslapme - What a stupid post, what do you expect Walker to do not campaign to keep his job? Why are the unions and left wing nuts wasting so much money trying to recall a government because he did what he said he would do. I believe it is an abuse of the recall system and a waste of money.

I don't live in Wisconsin but I really hope Walker wins, if for no other reason than to shut the left wing nuts up. The unions in Wisconsin are nothing but a bunch of cry babies.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:42 PM EDT

Wow ! It didn't take long for FEASTY to try and change the subject !!

What happens when the "credit card" is maxxed out Feasty ? When do we begin to make a real effort to live within our income ?

Oh hell, I keep forgetting that you libtards actually still believe that spending money we don't have will magically improve the economy and get Obama re-elected. Our country has a SERIOUS spending problem.

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#1.5 - Fri May 18, 2012 9:33 AM EDT
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With the Ryan/Romney budget not being balanced until 2040 (27 more years) how many more times will the ceiling need to be increased to accommodate several trillion dollars of additional borrowing?

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Reply#2 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

Many, many times. Romney's $5 trillion tax plan blows huge hole in the budget so it's more likely to be balanced around...the twelfth of never. By the time the right is done cutting all the domestic spending programs and adding more to defense, there won't be anything left to defend.

  • 15 votes
#2.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Dennis

I don't believe you or I will live long enough to see a balanced budget. LOL

Have a good day.

  • 7 votes
#2.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

With the Ryan/Romney budget

Dennis,

Would that be the same budget which Willard fully embraced while calling it 'marvelous'?

  • 13 votes
#2.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

Sarge,

We could have if it weren’t for Reagan.

In 1947 our debt was at 125% of GDP. In 1980 we were on track to pay off all of our debt by around 2000 but instead it had increased from 37% of GDP to 69% of GDP by 1992.

@ Feisty – the very same !!

  • 13 votes
#2.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

First Read:

Another debt ceiling fight?

What was your first clue?

Agents of chaos, they be. Chaos is all they have.

  • 11 votes
#2.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

Chaos is all they have, eh AM?

So that must mean Obama and team blue - the flip side of your 'they' comment must have a lot of really good stuff to run on, right?

So is that the Stimulus, the unemployment rate, the GDP, the Right Track/Wrong Track number?

Wait, I know, it's the widely popular Obamacare, right?

But then again, you still are holding out for a Walker loss.

What'dya say AM - Walker by 6?

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#2.6 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

Spanky,

Don't forget all of those failed Green Energy companies that created so many jobs.

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#2.7 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

Not at all, Spanky. Despite everything, I am still hopeful.

And that way I always win.

  • 5 votes
#2.8 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:47 PM EDT

You trolls sit up at night thinking of ways to annoy everyone, we realize this. You cheat on tests, cut people off in traffic, and back stab everyone at work too, don't you.

  • 9 votes
#2.9 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

Dennis,

You keep using IF this or that we would be or could be. That don't get it. I remember an old saying that goes something like this: IF THE DOG HADN'T STOPPED TO TAKE A SH!T, HE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THE RABBIT.

You don't know and I don't know what might have been IF this or that would have happened. I do know that Reagan did more to unite our country than any President since Roosevelt. He won his election and reelection by land slides, and remember during most of his 8 yrs I believe he had a democratic controlled congress.

  • 2 votes
#2.10 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:36 PM EDT

The point is that to cover for his tax cuts he kept spending at normal levels to allow the economy recover and substantially increased our National debt.

And for my “if” all you need to do is look at the National Debt (as a percent of GDP) trend line.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

  • 5 votes
#2.11 - Thu May 17, 2012 8:05 PM EDT

Dennis,

Again you jest. If I remember right it was the democratic controlled congress that said they would cut spending, but never did. You see, as you stated before, the House and Senate write and control the appropriations bills not the President. You see you can't have it both ways, you put the blame on the Republican controlled House and not President Obama. But when it is a Republican President, Reagan, you blame him but not the democratic controlled congress.

  • 2 votes
#2.12 - Thu May 17, 2012 8:14 PM EDT

Government spending always increases during recessions regardless of who is in the WH or who controls which chamber.

  • 5 votes
#2.13 - Thu May 17, 2012 8:28 PM EDT

Yes, in addition 2 wars unfunded, with tax cuts taking place at the same time, your recession is really called The Great Bush Depression in several areas of the country, so Obama uses Rooseveltian techniques to bail out looming catastrophies and he's called a damn socialist by those Limbaugh pigs.

  • 3 votes
#2.14 - Thu May 17, 2012 10:50 PM EDT
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Just put it off until after the election. Ps As a former multiple winner on Jeopardy!, good luck for Chuck Todd tonight.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

Uh-oh, you started a thread buried down here... Here it goes, down the toilet with the trolls...

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:55 PM EDT
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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ``the buck stops here.'' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.

Senator Barrack H. Obama, March 16, 2006

  • 10 votes
Reply#4 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

unbelievable

  • 5 votes
#4.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

Bill, How quickly the libbies forgive Obama's lies! Your quote is just one example of his lies.... I don't think America will allow it to continue, we can't afford any more his flawed agenda to continue.

  • 12 votes
#4.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

You can look at any republican or democratic senators record and find at some point, they voted against the debt ceiling increase when the opposition party was in the WH; you will also note, that both parties always ensured they had enough votes to pass it. So, while it may sound good, Bill, it's smoke and mirrors.

  • 8 votes
#4.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

Obama's lies? You think he's changed on some issues, huh? And that's terrible?

Nice candidate in Romney you have there, I guess you're voting for a third party this year. Good luck!

  • 6 votes
#4.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

SteveH, how quickly the righties forget the massive deficit and debt spending of Bush and the GOP and it sounds like righties are perfectly happy to repeat it under Romney.

  • 10 votes
#4.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

Jody, the democrats controlled Congress the last two years of Bush's term thru 2010.... that was when the real fiscal damage was done! Forget Bush (if you can, lol).... we now have to borrow every single penny of what we spend! Ryan has presented the best budget and even it won't succeed until 2040! Obama's reckless spending and fraudulent green loans and other social programs... not to mention his lavish life stlye as the Annoited One, has made it impossible for anyone to balance the budget without serious spending cuts. We have not choice anymore.... retire Obama and choose fiscal responsibility. And more important, quit penalizing success and start embracing it... job creation. And I don't mean the skewed statistics the democrats are touting, I mean REAL job creation! Barry and the democrats have failed... that's the issue, not this rev wright crap or Romney's high school prank.... time for real change now!

  • 8 votes
#4.6 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

Ben, did Dubya not have a veto pen? You can't spend money you don't have, we all know that but wars are expensive and so one can but wonder why we spent so much without budgeting for them. In other wars citizens could purchase war bonds to help pay for the war. Over a roughly 20 year period the war was paid for. Bush starts 2 wars and no bonds, no budget just spend and borrow from COMMUNIST China. The problem we face now didn't start January 20, 2009 it existed well before that. Much of it goes far back to the "trickle down" Ronnie Ray Gun period.

  • 10 votes
#4.7 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

Ben, apparently you forget the Republican "ownership society" created a massive housing bubble that began to burst in 2006. Sorry, but Republicans still controlled everything.

Cheney famously said "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney, nor any of the Republican Governors, Senators, or Representatives spoke up then. Instead, they held their hand out and refused to pay for the Bush tax cuts ($4 trillion), wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (over $1 trillion so far, we will be paying billions/trillions more for vets benefits over the next 70 years), forced to bailout the banks because Republicans passed legislation allowing banks to pick their own regulators (over $2 trillion), ...

Today, Romney is demanding $5 trillion in tax cuts, without a dime in cuts. That's right, Romney has yet to say what he'll cut, so it will be just like 2002 when Ryan and Congressional Republicans went along creating a massive debt.

  • 9 votes
#4.8 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:00 PM EDT

Obama was on watch the first time the debt ceiling crisis came into town. How did that go libs, guess everything is peachy in your eyes and obama did an excellent job by appointing the committee to take care "the fall" for this issue.

The problem dem'sdon't want to stop spending, Republicans don't want to increase taxes, personally I think the government has enough of our money to waste. Lets start by reforming all of those entitlements that people love to abuse so much. Laying off a bunch of federal employees and reducing their benefits might also help. Then we can talk about raising taxes.

  • 5 votes
#4.9 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

Adler-273784,

How is Obama helping? By taking the debt to new record highs? He has spent in 4 what it took bush 8 years to spend.

  • 5 votes
#4.10 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

Jody, Iowa,

I'll give you credit ... you are really an accomplished distortionist ! The bs that we quickly forget about the Bush debt increases is simply bull — — — — . The largest Bush debt increases, however, occurred in his last two years when the Democrats controlled Congress !

Then Obama comes along and runs it up more in one term that Bush did in his entire eight years of office. But Obama and his Democratic Congress TOTALLY FAILED to produce a budget during his first two years of office. He was too damn busy with ramming through his ego-driven Obamacare through Congress. Obama's budget offering was so freakin bad that it was voted down 97 to 0 in the Senate ! This year's offerings has Harry Reid's "buttprints" - Harry Reid is sitting upon it !!

But then you post disingenuous drivel in #4.5 to try and play the blame game ! Obama is a clu$ter f — ck on financial matters and it shows with his inability to get any kind of a reasonable budget DONE !

  • 1 vote
#4.11 - Fri May 18, 2012 9:47 AM EDT
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There are approximately 116,011,000 households in the United States It's simple math therefore that each household will have to pony up an average of $135,471 to pay the current $15.716 trillion debt. And if we can't do it, our children will have to.

And now Obama just wants to make it worse.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

Kannin,

The debt ceiling increase is to cover money already spent.

It was spent by spending bills passed in the Republican controller House.

On top of that the Romney endorsed Ryan budget calls for trillions of more borrowing for the next 27
years when the budget is finally balanced in 2040.

  • 10 votes
#5.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:39 PM EDT

Dennis,

Those spending bills passed in the Republican controlled House and the democratic controlled Senate had to be signed by the President to become law, so why don't you put the blame where it belongs, on the Executive and Legislative Branches.

As far as you keep bringing up the Ryan budget, remember that, in reality, there is no Ryan budget since it and 4 others were voted down so they have no, nana, nothing, to do with the current government spending.

I remember another old saying: QUIT CRYING OVER SPILLED MILK, THERE'S ENOUGH WATER IN IT ALREADY.

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:49 PM EDT

Since you want to be picky how about the "proposed" Ryan budget ?

As for the Republican House - I say that because Republicans want to blame it all on the President and Democrats when both Parties are guilty.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 8:02 PM EDT

Dennis,

See that wasn't to hard was it to agree that both parties are guilty. As far as calling it the "proposed" Ryan Budget, I'm o.k. with that, because it carries no weight, authority or spends anything. Remember the democrats control 2/3s of the government that is spending all this money.

  • 1 vote
#5.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 8:09 PM EDT

With a filibuster controlled Senate it can be said that the minority actually controls the cloture vote (unless they have less than 40 in their cacus) while the majority controls the bills permitted to advance for a cloture vote and the session schedule.

  • 3 votes
#5.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 8:36 PM EDT
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The budget proposals offered by the Rs calls for cuts to everything but Defense. Democrats want a balanced approach where things are cut ACCROSS THE BOARD and where revenues are raised as well as things being cut.

Which is more responisble?

  • 7 votes
Reply#6 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

Im sure the GNOP will agree - oink..oink...oink...tax cuts for all..more defense spending.....

  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:13 PM EDT

Paul,when we have an open audition for a pig, we'll give you a call. Really deep thinking there genius.

  • 1 vote
#6.2 - Fri May 18, 2012 9:53 AM EDT
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    Reply#7 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:41 PM EDT

    Finally a comment out of you that makes sense!

    • 4 votes
    #7.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:50 PM EDT

    Hey Reb - Better to keep your mouth shut and look stupid, opposed to opening it and removing all doubt....

    PS- How's it going, Feisty!

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:21 PM EDT
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    PS- How's it going, Feisty!

    Mighty well my friend!

    Like shooting fish in a barrel these days... lmao

    These idiots don't know whether to @!$%# or go blind!

    Thanks for asking...

    • 3 votes
    Reply#8 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:51 PM EDT

    These idiots don't know whether to @!$%# or go blind!

    Well, I guess they can still close one eye and fart.....

    • 3 votes
    Reply#9 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:57 PM EDT

    .

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    Reply#10 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

    Better read #7.2 Dennis, your friends just implied you were stupid !

    • 1 vote
    #10.1 - Fri May 18, 2012 9:55 AM EDT
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    Wonder why this money genius doesn't remember the two wars his GOP brothers started and didn't pay for. Oh I forgot he was too busy bankrupting and stealing by hiding money in Swiss Banks and the Cayman island to see what his party did to this country. I guess he was to busy dodging military service and buying off people to ensure his cowardly little boys didn't go either. I guess if he could have found a way he would have sent his wife to fight his battle. I can vision her pulling up to the Pentagon in her gold Caddilac vice her Pink one that the Romney males use as a fraud to get around town in disguise.

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